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I now have a mental image of the Americans dashing out of Dollar Tree loading the pick up trucks with dollar gallon bottles of cola.
Much to your dismay we do actually drive other vehicles besides pickup trucks :-X
They are just jealous they can't even buy real trucks over there :chuckle:
:)
I regret the day I sold my pickup. Cannot trailer my buddies open fisherman, surfboards barely fit in the Honda, kayaks collecting dust out back, mountain bikes don't fit in my trunk, and huge wahoo and mahi stink up the car and leave blood everywhere. Only thing I was missing was a set of gun racks..... :biggrin:
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I now have a mental image of the Americans dashing out of Dollar Tree loading the pick up trucks with dollar gallon bottles of cola.
Much to your dismay we do actually drive other vehicles besides pickup trucks :-X
They are just jealous they can't even buy real trucks over there :chuckle:
:)
I regret the day I sold my pickup. Cannot trailer my buddies open fisherman, surfboards barely fit in the Honda, kayaks collecting dust out back, mountain bikes don't fit in my trunk, and huge wahoo and mahi stink up the car and leave blood everywhere. Only thing I was missing was a set of gun racks..... :biggrin:
My truck or for that fact not any of my trucks have every had a gun rack :duh:
Guess I am doing it wrong, according to Manny we all need a gun rack, looks like I should go shopping :chuckle:
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Except for some ranch trucks in Wyoming or Montana out in the middle of nowhere nobody drives around with a gun rack and guns. People would break into the trucks to steal them. Now you might put up a beat-up low-cost rifle behind the seat in certain States, a 'truck gun'. In other States guns need to be in a case and placed where you can't easily get to them. In Texas we can have them, except for pistols, sitting on our laps or on the seat next to us. It depends on which State you are in.
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Except for some ranch trucks in Wyoming or Montana out in the middle of nowhere nobody drives around with a gun rack and guns. People would break into the trucks to steal them. Now you might put up a beat-up low-cost rifle behind the seat in certain States, a 'truck gun'. In other States guns need to be in a case and placed where you can't easily get to them. In Texas we can have them, except for pistols, sitting on our laps or on the seat next to us. It depends on which State you are in.
How frightened of one's own country and countrymen does one have to be to even think about carrying a gun on one's lap?
Worse yet, we can see the effect of such fear in the manner in which the US engages with the world. How can one treat as equals those of whom one is mortally afraid?
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Except for some ranch trucks in Wyoming or Montana out in the middle of nowhere nobody drives around with a gun rack and guns. People would break into the trucks to steal them. Now you might put up a beat-up low-cost rifle behind the seat in certain States, a 'truck gun'. In other States guns need to be in a case and placed where you can't easily get to them. In Texas we can have them, except for pistols, sitting on our laps or on the seat next to us. It depends on which State you are in.
Yes I know, but folks over the pond automatically believe all of us on this side of the pond who drive
trucks are gun toting hillbillies :chuckle: So it is standard equipment. Not to disappoint them,
let them believe we all have them or are getting them shortly :chuckle:
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Except for some ranch trucks in Wyoming or Montana out in the middle of nowhere nobody drives around with a gun rack and guns. People would break into the trucks to steal them. Now you might put up a beat-up low-cost rifle behind the seat in certain States, a 'truck gun'. In other States guns need to be in a case and placed where you can't easily get to them. In Texas we can have them, except for pistols, sitting on our laps or on the seat next to us. It depends on which State you are in.
How frightened of one's own country and countrymen does one have to be to even think about carrying a gun on one's lap?
Worse yet, we can see the effect of such fear in the manner in which the US engages with the world. How can one treat as equals those of whom one is mortally afraid?
Andrew you have stated several times gun owners are afraid, why don't you explain this better?
So any one who takes a self defence class is afraid? and one who puts an alarm in there house is afraid?
Maybe some people just prefer to have whatever options they can to protect them selves if ever needed, eh?
Maybe if you took a few self defence classes, you wouldn't get the shit kicked out of yourself every few years :chuckle:
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Now I am worried. I used to have a permit to carry, plus I did martial arts for decades. I must be super paranoid.
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Now I am worried. I used to have a permit to carry, plus I did martial arts for decades. I must be super paranoid.
I haven't done any of this. When I am in Texas I keep a high powered rifle and 40 rounds of ammo in the trunk. According to Texas law we are supposed to aid law enforcement in the event of a shootout. Just doing our part to maintain law and order.
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Now I am worried. I used to have a permit to carry, plus I did martial arts for decades. I must be super paranoid.
Were not able to get a permit to carry guns, except to and from a range with no deviation.
But I own a gun, have taken a self defence course, I must be terrified also :scared0005:
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There yer goes, building a coalition of the fearful.
If you did not think you needed to you'd not do this stuff. If you were not afraid of the consequences of not carrying guns you'd not do so.
You carry guns in order to allay your fears about the people around you. If you are rational humans then you'd not carry weapons or pay the money to buy them for no reason.
So, yes, afraid.
Terrified? Well, you chose the word, not I.
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There yer goes, building a coalition of the fearful.
If you did not think you needed to you'd not do this stuff. If you were not afraid of the consequences of not carrying guns you'd not do so.
You carry guns in order to allay your fears about the people around you. If you are rational humans then you'd not carry weapons or pay the money to buy them for no reason.
So, yes, afraid.
Terrified? Well, you chose the word, not I.
I actually bought mine for hunting, don't really hunt anymore but kept the guns.
I also belong to a gun club that was for 2 reasons, went once with a friend, looked like fun, so I joined,
only reason I have a hand gun and that is relatively new. So its hobby:)
I also used to shoot a rifle in competitions, many moons ago.
I also live on the edge of town and have had bears and other critters roaming around my yard,
never had to shoot one here, but have if needed, also I had about 25 k of stuff stolen a few years ago
if I was home, they would get used for 2 legged critters also. As for the self defence, I did it to learn something new and the fitness, also knew the guy running the course and was free. Many reason one could have for owning a gun,
or other things in life.
See Andrew you project and presume, without knowing any real WHY'S Its who you are, talk about
unthinking as you put is :chuckle:
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You carry guns in order to allay your fears about the people around you. If you are rational humans then you'd not carry weapons or pay the money to buy them for no reason.
I could apply for a 'conceal and carry' online because of my age. I am grandfathered in. But I don't. I never felt a need for a gun as self defense. I am not a hunter either. My main passion with guns is in WW2 collectables and target shooting them. They have a history behind them that I find fascinating.
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You carry guns in order to allay your fears about the people around you. If you are rational humans then you'd not carry weapons or pay the money to buy them for no reason.
I could apply for a 'conceal and carry' online because of my age. I am grandfathered in. But I don't. I never felt a need for a gun as self defense. I am not a hunter either. My main passion with guns is in WW2 collectables and target shooting them. They have a history behind them that I find fascinating.
No No Max its because we are afraid, really ;D
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Be afraid, be very afraid (cos fifi said you are)
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You carry guns in order to allay your fears about the people around you. If you are rational humans then you'd not carry weapons or pay the money to buy them for no reason.
I could apply for a 'conceal and carry' online because of my age. I am grandfathered in. But I don't. I never felt a need for a gun as self defense. I am not a hunter either. My main passion with guns is in WW2 collectables and target shooting them. They have a history behind them that I find fascinating.
No No Max its because we are afraid, really ;D
I am MUCH more afraid of my government than some gang bangers or crack heads breaking into my home at night or highjacking my car. When the economy goes SHTF I am ready for that too, poor Andy isn't :) (I feel sorry for him).
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The way you keep a right, is to exercise it.
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The way you keep a right, is to exercise it.
That is why we keep buying guns.
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I say the same thing about sex too ;D
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I say the same thing about sex too ;D
Use it or lose it?
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Ouh rahh...
http://www.americansnipermovie.com
Every man who has taken the Oath to protect and defend the constitution "gets it" when it comes to the second Amendment:
The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Should a foreign or domestic enemy try to attack or invade or divide the USA there are 27 Million living oath takers ready willing and able to back up our brothers sons and nephews in the US Army, Navy, Marines, Air Force, Reserves and National Guard or to be deputized as may be needed.
Like the Swiss 18 to 80 y.o. men's requirement to maintain arms and drill to be ready our second amendment is very similar in spirit.
When was the last time the Swiss were successfully invaded?
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You carry guns in order to allay your fears about the people around you. If you are rational humans then you'd not carry weapons or pay the money to buy them for no reason.
I don't need to carry a gun every day. But I do not live a scared life and I do not live in the "land of the free". :-X
FWIW, Cuffy, you lot are NOTHING like the Swiss. Many of you folks do not even speak English. Your 27m "oath takers" isn't really reality. Unless the oath was in Spanish. Or Chinese, Urdu or a myriad of other tongues.
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As the word of truth this is.
I had a dream last night that Elena my ex-wife came back to me and said she wanted to get back together. But she seemed cold. She said she was going to my home. I was with Ellen my first ex-wife shopping for some reason. Ellen needed me to take her somewhere first before I could drop her off. So we drove down some roads. Ellen went into a Chinese restaurant. I followed her and I almost got into a fight with 2 big men sitting in the lobby. They were insulting me and I insulted them back. I was really angry. I challenged them to a fight but they backed down. Then I couldn't find Ellen as she ran off. I needed to find her for some reason before I could go home. I was worried Elena was back at my home stealing all my things. I finally found Ellen. She had left her baby with some criminals she didn't know. She has no baby but she did in this dream. I got very upset with her because she wouldn't tell me where the baby was. Finally she told me where the baby was. It was with the 2 big men I met in the restaurant. I seen a bayonet next to me and I grabbed it to go after these men to get the baby back. Then I woke up.
Odd to me was that with all my firearms I would choose my 1943 'American Fork and Hoe' bayonet and not my M1 Garand? Perhaps all the badgering and guilt mongering by Andrew and Manny is getting to me?
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You carry guns in order to allay your fears about the people around you. If you are rational humans then you'd not carry weapons or pay the money to buy them for no reason.
I don't need to carry a gun every day. But I do not live scared life and I do not live in the "land of the free". :-X
FWIW, Cuffy, you lot are NOTHING like the Swiss. Many of you folks do not even speak English. Your 27m "oath takers" isn't really reality. Unless the oath was in Spanish. Or Chinese, Urdu or a myriad of other tongues.
And your prime minister all over our national news networks has spent the last two days cementing our "special relationship" with the UK to one protect the UK's $90 Billion trade relationship with USA now that you lot have lost all that lucrative Russian ruble trade and two because at the end of the day we do have a standing ready reserve of 27 Million oath taking defenders of our constitution backing up the most powerful military in the history of mankind. As your personal hero Chairman Putin of Russia Inc. states "The weak get BEAT".
The EU is weak - Putin stated he could overrun any EU capital in a week and has threatened to nuke you lot repeatedly if you do not back off ill advised sanctions protecting a thug UA regime of Mafiya criminals - fact is the USA is strong and getting stronger as the economy rebounds robustly here.
As far as your racist remarks about "Unless the oath was in Spanish. Or Chinese, Urdu or a myriad of other tongues." Manny fact is Latin Americans take the oath and learn English and serve for 6 years in various branches of the US Military just for a shot at earning US Citizenship - while your 1,200+ mosques full of radical islamists piss all over the basket of rights you hand over to them with no concept that these rights should be earned. Not only has the rabid liberalism and multiculturalism of the past 50 years severely weakened the UK you are now being actively undermined by an army of native born ISIS sympaticos.
You lot should pray on bended knee to God Almighty every night for a powerful and prosperous USA maintaining a special relationship with your Crown, Parliament, Queen and Country.
Of course you now being a rabid rancorous Russophile you would most likely choke on any such prayers.
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You lot should pray on bended knee to God Almighty every night for a powerful and prosperous USA maintaining a special relationship with your Crown, Parliament, Queen and Country.
But the British elite own a controlling interest in the Federal Reserve so we are supposed to fear them.
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You lot should pray on bended knee to God Almighty every night for a powerful and prosperous USA maintaining a special relationship with your Crown, Parliament, Queen and Country.
But the British elite own a controlling interest in the Federal Reserve so we are supposed to fear them.
LOL The British elite (Rothschild family et al) are likely tops on the list for beheading by their ISIS sympatico countrymen... they know they are quite likely in need of another rescuing by the USA at a future date when their UK resident and born ISIS sympaticos reach a critical mass.
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I would choose my 1943 'American Fork and Hoe' bayonet and not my M1 Garand?
1980 girl would be a better choice. :)
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Putin stated he could overrun any EU capital in a week and has threatened to nuke you lot repeatedly if you do not back off ill advised sanctions protecting a thug UA regime of Mafiya criminals -
All Putins speeches are documented on the Kremlin website. Please link us to the ones that say what you claim.
fact is the USA is strong and getting stronger as the economy rebounds robustly here.
:Zzzzsleep:
while your 1,200+ mosques full of radical islamists piss all over the basket of rights you hand over to them with no concept that these rights should be earned. Not only has the rabid liberalism and multiculturalism of the past 50 years severely weakened the UK you are now being actively undermined by an army of native born ISIS sympaticos.
So your Muslims are different? Yours all drive pick up trucks with gun racks on, right? :chuckle:
You lot should pray on bended knee to God Almighty every night for a powerful and prosperous USA maintaining a special relationship with your Crown, Parliament, Queen and Country.
The 'special relationship' is a myth. We'd be better off developing a relationship with Russia than the US. Imagine how many wars we wouldn't have had to participate in then?
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I now have an image of a bloke, actually millions of blokes, waking up in the morning and thinking 'what shall I do with this fine day' and then each of those guys says to himself and his gathered family 'today is the day I must protect our right to carry guns by going and buying another one'. What a marvellous but silly idea Slumba!
The reality is that with a very few exceptions for hunting and competition each weapon is purchased from fear. You scaredy cats might call it personal security or some other euphemism for fear, but that's it. If you were not afraid of something happening to you then you'd not perceive a need to defend yourselves.
Problem is that the generalised fear that you lot have is then reflected in the choices you make on a larger scale. Think of the indignities that you put up with and foist upon the world as a result of the largest con job ever carried out. Think of the millions now dead as a result of your fears arising from that con job.
Your use of weapons and pitiful bleating about it is a micro scale reflection of the macro level society of fear.
No US government will ever take your fetish objects away because they know that each and every gun reminds it's owner and those who become the victims of their use that it is the US citizen's role to be scared and that the government's job is to protect you from the nasty, nasty world.
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I have never felt the need to own or use a gun.
Strange country America is sometimes.
Although I do feel our police/military is understaffed and too much anti-violence, I never felt so unsafe i thought about owning/using a gun.
Whilst getting one in Netherlands is legal, providing you abide by certain rules and checks.
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How frightened of one's own country and countrymen does one have to be to even think about carrying a gun on one's lap?
Yes I know, but folks over the pond automatically believe all of us on this side of the pond who drive
trucks are gun toting hillbillies :chuckle: So it is standard equipment. Not to disappoint them,
let them believe we all have them or are getting them shortly :chuckle:
It's not fear, it's part of our culture. Everyone i know has them, me included, no one ever made anything stupid. One culture can't be judged by other culture's measures (same with Americans and "democracy", seems they have problems understanding we don't want their model and are ok with our own ;))
p.s. as per "hilbillies"... come over, bro, try calling my cousins mountain Marko or Petar... ;D
:GRAVE:
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No US government will ever take your fetish objects away because they know that each and every gun reminds it's owner and those who become the victims of their use that it is the US citizen's role to be scared and that the government's job is to protect you from the nasty, nasty world.
After Sandy Hook they started a buy back in some places:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2250233/Sandy-Hook-shooting-Buyback-program-Camden-New-Jersey-collects-record-number-guns.html
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/18/article-2250233-1692CE47000005DC-463_634x462.jpg)
And in SF: http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/12/12/3-largest-bay-area-cities-to-hold-gun-buyback-drives-during-sandy-hook-2-year-anniversary/
San Jose: http://kron4.com/2014/12/13/gun-buyback-happening-in-san-jose-to-mark-2-year-anniversary-of-sandy-hook/
And in LA, two rocket launchers turned up: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2254050/LA-police-collect-ROCKET-LAUNCHERS-buyback-program-prompted-Sandy-Hook-shooting.html
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/28/article-2254050-16ABA9D6000005DC-696_634x422.jpg)
I think those two pictures are classed as porn in some parts of the US. :hidechair:
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How frightened of one's own country and countrymen does one have to be to even think about carrying a gun on one's lap?
Yes I know, but folks over the pond automatically believe all of us on this side of the pond who drive
trucks are gun toting hillbillies :chuckle: So it is standard equipment. Not to disappoint them,
let them believe we all have them or are getting them shortly :chuckle:
It's not fear, it's part of our culture. Everyone i know has them, me included, no one ever made anything stupid. One culture can't be judged by other culture's measures (same with Americans and "democracy", seems they have problems understanding we don't want their model and are ok with our own ;))
p.s. as per "hilbillies"... come over, bro, try calling my cousins mountain Marko or Petar... ;D
:GRAVE:
I was being sarcastic for our tree hugging, nanny state bunch :)
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No US government will ever take your fetish objects away because they know that each and every gun reminds it's owner and those who become the victims of their use that it is the US citizen's role to be scared and that the government's job is to protect you from the nasty, nasty world.
After Sandy Hook they started a buy back in some places:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2250233/Sandy-Hook-shooting-Buyback-program-Camden-New-Jersey-collects-record-number-guns.html
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/18/article-2250233-1692CE47000005DC-463_634x462.jpg)
And in SF: http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/12/12/3-largest-bay-area-cities-to-hold-gun-buyback-drives-during-sandy-hook-2-year-anniversary/
San Jose: http://kron4.com/2014/12/13/gun-buyback-happening-in-san-jose-to-mark-2-year-anniversary-of-sandy-hook/
And in LA, two rocket launchers turned up: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2254050/LA-police-collect-ROCKET-LAUNCHERS-buyback-program-prompted-Sandy-Hook-shooting.html
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/12/28/article-2254050-16ABA9D6000005DC-696_634x422.jpg)
I think those two pictures are classed as porn in some parts of the US. :hidechair:
Ya and after the Government auction, they will end up in used store, being re-sold :chuckle:
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How frightened of one's own country and countrymen does one have to be to even think about carrying a gun on one's lap?
Yes I know, but folks over the pond automatically believe all of us on this side of the pond who drive
trucks are gun toting hillbillies :chuckle: So it is standard equipment. Not to disappoint them,
let them believe we all have them or are getting them shortly :chuckle:
It's not fear, it's part of our culture. Everyone i know has them, me included, no one ever made anything stupid. One culture can't be judged by other culture's measures (same with Americans and "democracy", seems they have problems understanding we don't want their model and are ok with our own ;))
p.s. as per "hilbillies"... come over, bro, try calling my cousins mountain Marko or Petar... ;D
:GRAVE:
I was being sarcastic for our tree hugging, nanny state bunch :)
Lol ;D
Well, i take good care of my trees, water them and all, but when it comes to guns - i don't need anyone's permission (except by our legislation) to carry mine, nor do i care what somebody from another, unrelated to mine culture thinks about it ;) They can stay at home, fight their wars online via keyboards, but we live in the real world over here tiphat
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How frightened of one's own country and countrymen does one have to be to even think about carrying a gun on one's lap?
Yes I know, but folks over the pond automatically believe all of us on this side of the pond who drive
trucks are gun toting hillbillies :chuckle: So it is standard equipment. Not to disappoint them,
let them believe we all have them or are getting them shortly :chuckle:
It's not fear, it's part of our culture. Everyone i know has them, me included, no one ever made anything stupid. One culture can't be judged by other culture's measures (same with Americans and "democracy", seems they have problems understanding we don't want their model and are ok with our own ;))
p.s. as per "hilbillies"... come over, bro, try calling my cousins mountain Marko or Petar... ;D
:GRAVE:
I was being sarcastic for our tree hugging, nanny state bunch :)
Lol ;D
Well, i take good care of my trees, water them and all, but when it comes to guns - i don't need anyone's permission (except by our legislation) to carry mine, nor do i care what somebody from another, unrelated to mine culture thinks about it ;) They can stay at home, fight their wars online via keyboards, but we live in the real world over here tiphat
I agree, these are the people who want and need people to protect the at all stages in their life.
Which is fine, but they also want the rest of the world to agree with them and are upset when it doesn't happen.
I say each to their own, don't like it, go somewhere it does not affect you.
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I agree, these are the people who want and need people to protect the at all stages in their life.
Which is fine, but they also want the rest of the world to agree with them and are upset when it doesn't happen.
I say each to their own, don't like it, go somewhere it does not affect you.
Exactly ;) OR, alternatively, they can come over and try explaining in real life their opinions and takes... Like, what's the objection exactly against highlanders and why they should give up on centuries of their heritage and go hug trees instead (Of course, in Monte they would end up in psychiatric hospital if actually seen hugging trees ;D)
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As far as your racist remarks about "Unless the oath was in Spanish. Or Chinese, Urdu or a myriad of other tongues." Manny fact is Latin Americans take the oath and learn English and serve for 6 years in various branches of the US Military just for a shot at earning US Citizenship -
:thumbsup:
A large percentage of our military is of Latin descent and has been for a long time now. Many USAians of Latin descent are the strongest US supporters, strongly believe in owning firearms, and will be the first to stand up. They are also some of the best soldiers we have serving our country.
In regards to the 25 million, it would probably never even come to that. We just need to send in the 100,000 armed gang members from the South side of Chicago. :biggrin:
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I don't need to carry a gun every day. But I do not live a scared life and I do not live in the "land of the free". :-X
Tell us about Rotherham. That wouldn't happen here. First, our police aren't a bunch of pussies who failed to prevent 1400+ girls from being raped over 16 years by a bunch or Urdu-speakers b/c they're afraid someone would call them "RAYCISS!"
Second, if the police somehow did get the British "I like getting hammered in the ass by Sand People" disease, then the fathers would have acted.
B/B
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...while your 1,200+ mosques full of radical islamists piss all over the basket of rights you hand over to them with no concept that these rights should be earned. Not only has the rabid liberalism and multiculturalism of the past 50 years severely weakened the UK you are now being actively undermined by an army of native born ISIS sympaticos.
You lot should pray on bended knee to God Almighty every night for a powerful and prosperous USA maintaining a special relationship with your Crown, Parliament, Queen and Country.
DOWN GOES FRAZIER!! DOWN GOES FRAZIER!!
:bow:
B/B
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How frightened of one's own country and countrymen does one have to be to even think about carrying a gun on one's lap?
Yes I know, but folks over the pond automatically believe all of us on this side of the pond who drive
trucks are gun toting hillbillies :chuckle: So it is standard equipment. Not to disappoint them,
let them believe we all have them or are getting them shortly :chuckle:
It's not fear, it's part of our culture. Everyone i know has them, me included, no one ever made anything stupid. One culture can't be judged by other culture's measures (same with Americans and "democracy", seems they have problems understanding we don't want their model and are ok with our own ;))
p.s. as per "hilbillies"... come over, bro, try calling my cousins mountain Marko or Petar... ;D
:GRAVE:
I was being sarcastic for our tree hugging, nanny state bunch :)
Lol ;D
Well, i take good care of my trees, water them and all, but when it comes to guns - i don't need anyone's permission (except by our legislation) to carry mine, nor do i care what somebody from another, unrelated to mine culture thinks about it ;) They can stay at home, fight their wars online via keyboards, but we live in the real world over here tiphat
I like it.
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It's not fear, it's part of our culture. Everyone i know has them, me included, no one ever made anything stupid.
Volshe, kisonka, this is the disease of the Western Liberal. They themselves are scared little bunny rabbits and they project that fear onto everyone else. And they're terrified of Actual Men with Actual Guns, regardless of whether those guns are used for good or for ill, thus they try to shame us into giving them up. (:)
Once one comes to grips with one's own mortality, there is no longer any need to be afraid. Put another way, "With the end of the fear of death begins the death of fear."
B/B
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You lot should pray on bended knee to God Almighty every night for a powerful and prosperous USA maintaining a special relationship with your Crown, Parliament, Queen and Country.
Of course you now being a rabid rancorous Russophile you would most likely choke on any such prayers.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
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I don't need to carry a gun every day. But I do not live a scared life and I do not live in the "land of the free". :-X
Tell us about Rotherham. That wouldn't happen here. First, our police aren't a bunch of pussies who failed to prevent 1400+ girls from being raped over 16 years by a bunch or Urdu-speakers b/c they're afraid someone would call them "RAYCISS!"
Second, if the police somehow did get the British "I like getting hammered in the ass by Sand People" disease, then the fathers would have acted.
B/B
It's not fear, it's part of our culture. Everyone i know has them, me included, no one ever made anything stupid.
Volshe, kisonka, this is the disease of the Western Liberal. They themselves are scared little bunny rabbits and they project that fear onto everyone else. And they're terrified of Actual Men with Actual Guns, regardless of whether those guns are used for good or for ill, thus they try to shame us into giving them up. (:)
Once one comes to grips with one's own mortality, there is no longer any need to be afraid. Put another way, "With the end of the fear of death begins the death of fear."
B/B
You're firing on all cylinders today BB! :thumbsup:
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I don't need to carry a gun every day. But I do not live a scared life and I do not live in the "land of the free". :-X
Tell us about Rotherham. That wouldn't happen here. First, our police aren't a bunch of pussies who failed to prevent 1400+ girls from being raped over 16 years by a bunch or Urdu-speakers b/c they're afraid someone would call them "RAYCISS!"
Second, if the police somehow did get the British "I like getting hammered in the ass by Sand People" disease, then the fathers would have acted.
B/B
It's not fear, it's part of our culture. Everyone i know has them, me included, no one ever made anything stupid.
Volshe, kisonka, this is the disease of the Western Liberal. They themselves are scared little bunny rabbits and they project that fear onto everyone else. And they're terrified of Actual Men with Actual Guns, regardless of whether those guns are used for good or for ill, thus they try to shame us into giving them up. (:)
Once one comes to grips with one's own mortality, there is no longer any need to be afraid. Put another way, "With the end of the fear of death begins the death of fear."
B/B
You're firing on all cylinders today BB! :thumbsup:
Absolutely :thumbsup:
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I would choose my 1943 'American Fork and Hoe' bayonet and not my M1 Garand?
1980 girl would be a better choice. :)
I married a 1968 girl 13 years ago and I still wasn't safe. :scared0005:
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You carry guns in order to allay your fears about the people around you. If you are rational humans then you'd not carry weapons or pay the money to buy them for no reason.
I don't need to carry a gun every day. But I do not live a scared life and I do not live in the "land of the free". :-X
Yes, well us "lot" that chose to own firearms for personal protection call that having your head in the sand. Good thing you don't live here. I get the sense that you're still a little upset about the series of skirmishes between our countries several hundred years ago. Something's going on anyway. There has to be an explanation for your hate of anything American and Americans in general.
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I like it.
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Volshe, kisonka,
mishka, :KISSSS:
They themselves are scared little bunny rabbits and they project that fear onto everyone else. And they're terrified of Actual Men with Actual Guns, regardless of whether those guns are used for good or for ill, thus they try to shame us into giving them up. (:)
Yep, it's called " the grasshopper mentality" ...
(When 12 "spies" were sent on a mission and return with ugly info: the land is beautiful, wonderful vegetation. delicious fruit... yada-yada. But the people we saw, they were huge, giants. They would crush us in a second... And if they saw us, they would think we were like grasshoppers in comparison. No way we could conquer that land. Just forget about the whole thing.
"There we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, descended from the giants. In our eyes, we seemed like grasshoppers, and so we were in their eyes." (Shelach 13:33)
I am not a grasshopper, i am a free person and there are no giants ;)
Absolutely :thumbsup:
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Except for some ranch trucks in Wyoming or Montana out in the middle of nowhere nobody drives around with a gun rack and guns. People would break into the trucks to steal them. Now you might put up a beat-up low-cost rifle behind the seat in certain States, a 'truck gun'. In other States guns need to be in a case and placed where you can't easily get to them. In Texas we can have them, except for pistols, sitting on our laps or on the seat next to us. It depends on which State you are in.
How frightened of one's own country and countrymen does one have to be to even think about carrying a gun on one's lap?
Funny I noticed my fully loaded arsenal is on the other side of the door from where I sleep. I am so unworried about my protection I have my guns at easy reach for an intruder who enters my bedroom.
The warmongers in this country usually strongly dislike libertarians like myself. Manny and Andrew are right about America always stirring up trouble for them all over the world. I part ways with many of Cufflink's opinions.
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You carry guns in order to allay your fears about the people around you. If you are rational humans then you'd not carry weapons or pay the money to buy them for no reason.
I don't need to carry a gun every day. But I do not live a scared life and I do not live in the "land of the free". :-X
Yes, well us "lot" that chose to own firearms for personal protection call that having your head in the sand. Good thing you don't live here. I get the sense that you're still a little upset about the series of skirmishes between our countries several hundred years ago. Something's going on anyway. There has to be an explanation for your hate of anything American and Americans in general.
I don't think they hate us, they just want to feel superior and that's OK. I mean like "who cares?"
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"There we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, descended from the giants. In our eyes, we seemed like grasshoppers, and so we were in their eyes." (Shelach 13:33)
You've got their Numbers (pun intended). ;)
I am not a grasshopper, i am a free person and there are no giants ;)
Exactly. As I am fond of saying in a different context, I don't worry about other men. Let other men worry about me.
B/B
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You carry guns in order to allay your fears about the people around you. If you are rational humans then you'd not carry weapons or pay the money to buy them for no reason.
I don't need to carry a gun every day. But I do not live a scared life and I do not live in the "land of the free". :-X
Yes, well us "lot" that chose to own firearms for personal protection call that having your head in the sand. Good thing you don't live here. I get the sense that you're still a little upset about the series of skirmishes between our countries several hundred years ago. Something's going on anyway. There has to be an explanation for your hate of anything American and Americans in general.
I don't think they hate us, they just want to feel superior and that's OK. I mean like "who cares?"
Well he's obviously got an ax to grind given his persistent put-downs of anything and everything American.
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You carry guns in order to allay your fears about the people around you. If you are rational humans then you'd not carry weapons or pay the money to buy them for no reason.
I don't need to carry a gun every day. But I do not live a scared life and I do not live in the "land of the free". :-X
Yes, well us "lot" that chose to own firearms for personal protection call that having your head in the sand. Good thing you don't live here. I get the sense that you're still a little upset about the series of skirmishes between our countries several hundred years ago. Something's going on anyway. There has to be an explanation for your hate of anything American and Americans in general.
I don't think they hate us, they just want to feel superior and that's OK. I mean like "who cares?"
Well he's obviously got an ax to grind given his persistent put-downs of anything and everything American.
One could say the same about you and Russia.
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What put down do you refer to?
You probably chose to ignore the posts that do not fit your fantasy portrayal.
if you think you need to carry a gun for personal protection how can you suggest that you are unconcerned about the consequences of not doing so?
Here, when I drive I wear a seat belt. I do so, in part, because the law of the land mandates it but also because I am afraid of the consequences of not doing so. I guess that most of you also wear seat belts for the same reason.
The difference between carrying a gun and wearing a seat belt is that one choice is rational and based upon a genuine understanding of the risks involved and the other is not.
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What put down do you refer to?
You probably chose to ignore the posts that do not fit your fantasy portrayal.
if you think you need to carry a gun for personal protection how can you suggest that you are unconcerned about the consequences of not doing so?
Here, when I drive I wear a seat belt. I do so, in part, because the law of the land mandates it but also because I am afraid of the consequences of not doing so. I guess that most of you also wear seat belts for the same reason.
The difference between carrying a gun and wearing a seat belt is that one choice is rational and based upon a genuine understanding of the risks involved and the other is not.
So says you, expert and great knower of all. Is your statement based on some sort of fact or just another one of your fantasy posts?
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The problem with USA and UKians perspective on the right to keep and bear arms is to defend the people via a well organized militia to protect said people from a rapacious government.
The second amendment was penned at a time when King George's Redcoats would smash down doors and take away sleeping colonists in the middle of the night many never to return.
Furthermore just 50 miles from where I am sitting are forests with Deer, Bears, Moose, Coyotes, Foxes, raccoons (unfortunately many rabid), Lynx, and feral dog packs - near many of my favorite trout fishing lakes and rivers. In the UK you have to go to remote estates maintained for nobility to find such forests - what we call forests you lot would consider wilderness.
One does not enter the forest without the means of dispatching a rabid animal, rutting buck or Moose or territorial rampaging bear.
Furthermore one of the undesirable affects of uncontrolled blacktar heroin and drugs smuggling into over 300+ USA cities by the Afghans, Sicilians, via Mexican Drugs Cartels is rampant uncontrolled use of Heroin with a lot of cut impure heroin causing overdoses and deaths in every state of the USA.
One simply does not venture on to streets crawling with violent heroin addicts without the means to give them a severe attitude correction.
These are the facts we live with in the current Obamanation and no police force can respond in time to effect your defense in a life and death situation. You are responsible for your own self defense.
Your reality in UK and EU is different from our USA realities. To judge us by your realty simply makes you one who pre-judges or prejudiced USA loathing bigots.
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You carry guns in order to allay your fears about the people around you. If you are rational humans then you'd not carry weapons or pay the money to buy them for no reason.
I don't need to carry a gun every day. But I do not live a scared life and I do not live in the "land of the free". :-X
Yes, well us "lot" that chose to own firearms for personal protection call that having your head in the sand. Good thing you don't live here. I get the sense that you're still a little upset about the series of skirmishes between our countries several hundred years ago. Something's going on anyway. There has to be an explanation for your hate of anything American and Americans in general.
I don't think they hate us, they just want to feel superior and that's OK. I mean like "who cares?"
Well he's obviously got an ax to grind given his persistent put-downs of anything and everything American.
One could say the same about you and Russia.
One could I suppose, but that'd be inaccurate as the only ax I have to grind is with the leader of the Russian people, not the people themselves. Oh that's right, they're one and the same (:)
Whereas you persistently belittle and make backhanded insults at American people in particular.
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Just another day in the good ol' US of A.
A customer shot a Waffle House waitress dead after she told him to put out his cigarette.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/johnny-max-mount-waffle-house-waitress-shot-dead-after-telling-customer-to-stub-out-cigarette-a6753231.html
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Just another day in the good ol' US of A.
A customer shot a Waffle House waitress dead after she told him to put out his cigarette.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/johnny-max-mount-waffle-house-waitress-shot-dead-after-telling-customer-to-stub-out-cigarette-a6753231.html
Now if waitresses were armed too this would not happen, she could have popped a cap in his ass when he was reading the menu. It's just common sense....
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Just another day in the good ol' US of A.
A customer shot a Waffle House waitress dead after she told him to put out his cigarette.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/johnny-max-mount-waffle-house-waitress-shot-dead-after-telling-customer-to-stub-out-cigarette-a6753231.html
Now if waitresses were armed too this would not happen, she could have popped a cap in his ass when he was reading the menu. It's just common sense....
No. I think she would have pointed her Colt 45 in his face when she told him to put out the cigarette
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Just another day in the good ol' US of A.
A customer shot a Waffle House waitress dead after she told him to put out his cigarette.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/johnny-max-mount-waffle-house-waitress-shot-dead-after-telling-customer-to-stub-out-cigarette-a6753231.html
Now if waitresses were armed too this would not happen, she could have popped a cap in his ass when he was reading the menu. It's just common sense....
No. I think she would have pointed her Colt 45 in his face when she told him to put out the cigarette
You have 15 seconds to comply....
You have 10 seconds to comply....
Love Robo-cop!
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Just another day in the good ol' US of A.
A customer shot a Waffle House waitress dead after she told him to put out his cigarette.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/johnny-max-mount-waffle-house-waitress-shot-dead-after-telling-customer-to-stub-out-cigarette-a6753231.html
Now if waitresses were armed too this would not happen, she could have popped a cap in his ass when he was reading the menu. It's just common sense....
No. I think she would have pointed her Colt 45 in his face when she told him to put out the cigarette
And go bankrupt 1 month later because all customers are scared to go there.
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With Americans and their gun fetish sometimes when having a discussion on the topic one uses a reductio ad absurdum argument - a sensible premise taken to nonsensical extremes.
And then those lovely but insane yanks go and LIVE the nonsensical extreme!
They are like big, dangerous, moron kids! Bless!
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Breaking news, unknown who shooters are?
CALIFORNIA SHOOTING: AT LEAST 14 KILLED,14 WOUNDED, UP TO 3 ARMED SUSPECTS ON THE LOOSE
https://www.rt.com/usa/324372-san-bernardino-active-shooter/
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Breaking news, unknown who shooters are?
CALIFORNIA SHOOTING: AT LEAST 14 KILLED,14 WOUNDED, UP TO 3 ARMED SUSPECTS ON THE LOOSE
https://www.rt.com/usa/324372-san-bernardino-active-shooter/
Might be terrorism. Apparently one of the gunman, Syed Farook, a US citizen, has been identified by US law enforcement as a Muslim. Farook's father, quoted by the New York Daily News tabloid, described his son as a devout Muslim.
If law enforcement does end up finding out this was terrorism related maybe they'll hit ISIS harder.
http://news.yahoo.com/california-muslims-condemn-horrific-mass-shooting-062245604.html
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According to Dutch News, it wasn't Terrorism but simply some drunk guys sent away at a party. Came back with a gun and opened fire.
Yeah, good reason to start shooting people.
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^ One of the guys is a female. The pair took the time to put on tactical clothing so this wasn't an impulse shooting.
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The mass shooting was related to the Islamic state.
The woman came here on a K1 visa which is really wrong to begin with.
According to the news reports they married overseas so they should have had to use a different visa.
Shows how good the system works for keeping the country safe.
Women even children can be an terrorist.
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In Murrica, if you dislike the article in the paper, you simply shoot it. :ROFL:
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I shot holes in the NY Times editorial
This is what I think of the New York Times editorial today. The United States suffered its worst terrorist attacks since September 11 and the New York Times' response is that all law-abiding citizens need their guns taken away. Screw them. The New York Times wants you to be sitting ducks for a bunch of arms jihadists who the New York Times thinks no doubt got that way because of the United States.
It should be striking to every American citizen that the New York Times believes the nation should have unfettered abortion rights, a right not made explicit in the Constitution, but can have the Second Amendment right curtailed at will though it is explicitly in the Constitution.
Again, we have suffered the worst terrorist attack in more than a decade and the New York Times believes now we must have our rights taken away as a response to terrorism.
I hope everyone will join me in posting pictures of bulletholes in the New York Times editorial. Send them your response. Put them on Instagram and use the hashtag for my radio show and I may give you a shoutout. #EERS
You can follow me on Instagram and Facebook at @ewerickson
All the best,
Erick
http://us8.campaign-archive2.com/?u=b68ad0a9ed4e483c34ee37b6c&id=583216a044
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In Murrica, you can send out Xmas cards with a nice family photo on.
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http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/this-gunloving-republican-and-her-gunloving-family-celebrate-christmas-with-guns--ZkuBrNlv9g
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In Murrica, you can send out Xmas cards with a nice family photo on.
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http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/this-gunloving-republican-and-her-gunloving-family-celebrate-christmas-with-guns--ZkuBrNlv9g
This is why Americans will not have to find refuge from 3 Million Radical Islamists being flooded into EU & UK by diseased minds of Euro Hating Rothschilds, Soros and Bilderberg controlled white European hating pro radical islamists governments.
Europe and Russia have over 7,000 ISIS fighters that have travelled to and returned from Syriaqistan... USA has less than a couple dozen that joined and fought for ISIS and returned...
Rev Jerry Falwell of the Christian Liberty University has urged all students to arm themselves, get permits to carry legally so that we have a standing Christian Army ready to fight the global radical islamists when war comes to our shores.
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In Murrica, you can send out Xmas cards with a nice family photo on.
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http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/this-gunloving-republican-and-her-gunloving-family-celebrate-christmas-with-guns--ZkuBrNlv9g
Europe and Russia have over 7,000 ISIS fighters that have travelled to and returned from Syriaqistan... USA has less than a couple dozen that joined and fought for ISIS and returned...
To cut a long story short.... those in Europe and Russia have passports :plane:
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http://www.erickontheradio.com/2015/11/barack-obama-is-an-enabler-of-evil/
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In Murrica, you can send out Xmas cards with a nice family photo on.
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http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/this-gunloving-republican-and-her-gunloving-family-celebrate-christmas-with-guns--ZkuBrNlv9g
Europe and Russia have over 7,000 ISIS fighters that have travelled to and returned from Syriaqistan... USA has less than a couple dozen that joined and fought for ISIS and returned...
To cut a long story short.... those in Europe and Russia have passports :plane:
;D ;D ;D
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Finally TV, for the entire family.
Gun TV, a channel that lets people order firearms from home, is launching in the US
http://qz.com/566733/gun-tv-a-channel-that-lets-people-order-firearms-from-home-is-launching-in-america/
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In Murrica, when someone does something you don't like, you simply shoot them.
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Now THIS is why I sometimes refer to Europe (and the rest of the world) as being civilised when making comparisons to the USA.
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I sometimes hope that the USA administration will finally wake up from this bad dream, but alas.
Like i said: you can't explain to a blind man how beautiful a sunrise is, he will never get it.
Funny part being: Americans having lived in Europe for considerable amount of time usually list the gunlaws (lack of....) as the main thing holding them here and not moving back to the states.
In Netherlands, it is completely legal to own a gun. Please let that sink in: In Netherlands, it is completely legal to own a gun. But nobody other than a few 'gun nuts' want to, because nobody here is armed.
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As I have said before, it is about fear. Without the fear there is no need.
Of course mixed in with this we have to understand that most people simply can not kill another human being, for any reason. In order to do so requires intense conditioning and an acceptance of the fact that taking a life almost always has an ongoing psychological effect upon the killer.
On the other hand, brandishing a gun at somebody who is posing a threat is a pretty good way to get oneself shot - in a land where fear means that people carry guns.
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As I have said before, it is about fear. Without the fear there is no need.
Of course mixed in with this we have to understand that most people simply can not kill another human being, for any reason. In order to do so requires intense conditioning and an acceptance of the fact that taking a life almost always has an ongoing psychological effect upon the killer.
On the other hand, brandishing a gun at somebody who is posing a threat is a pretty good way to get oneself shot - in a land where fear means that people carry guns.
You Euros are all demented surrender monkeys - suppose when Ahmed Allahu Akbar comes at you with a beheading K-Bar type knife you all will just get on your knees and pray that they do it (Behead you and your family) quickly.
Good luck with that in New Euroshariastan.
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In Murrica, when someone does something you don't like, you simply shoot them.
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All made up anti self defense liberal SJW Anti American bull shite... except for the horny Waki paki who brought over a foogly paki MOB wife from radicalized islamists Saudi Arabia to San Bernardino California where they began to amass a stockpile of weapons, ammunition and PIPE FREAKING BOMBS and when they went to an office holiday party were triggered to pre-maturely launch their murderous rampage before it grew to a Paris Sized Muslim Mayhem rampage.
A show redux coming to a EU UK murder and mayhem mosque near you soon just stay tuned.
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As I have said before, it is about fear. Without the fear there is no need.
Of course mixed in with this we have to understand that most people simply can not kill another human being, for any reason. In order to do so requires intense conditioning and an acceptance of the fact that taking a life almost always has an ongoing psychological effect upon the killer.
On the other hand, brandishing a gun at somebody who is posing a threat is a pretty good way to get oneself shot - in a land where fear means that people carry guns.
You Euros are all demented surrender monkeys - suppose when Ahmed Allahu Akbar comes at you with a beheading K-Bar type knife you all will just get on your knees and pray that they do it (Behead you and your family) quickly.
Good luck with that in New Euroshariastan.
Yeah and your kids are being shot at by other kids if not by cops on an hourly basis!
Massacre in America.....business as usual.
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Things are going to be changing and becoming much more safe here in about 13 months to be exact.
Only going to get much much worse in the Eushariastans with 30 million Radical Islamist immigrants at 3 Million per year over the next 10 years.
The demographics trends are already over for you lot - like Lebanon just a matter of a decade or so and you will be overrun by ISIS, Hamas and Hezbollah.
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Three in New York on Xmas day. One shooter was a cop. :'(
http://gothamist.com/2015/12/26/nypd_sergeant_allegedly_shot_yonker.php
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All made up anti self defense liberal SJW Anti American bull shite... except for the horny Waki paki who brought over a foogly paki MOB wife from radicalized islamists Saudi Arabia to San Bernardino California where they began to amass a stockpile of weapons, ammunition and PIPE FREAKING BOMBS and when they went to an office holiday party were triggered to pre-maturely launch their murderous rampage before it grew to a Paris Sized Muslim Mayhem rampage.
The funny thing about this was, up until the San Bernadino massacre, the liberal f*cktard Left was trying to sell the idea of every d/bag with a pistol being a "TERRORIST!!!" b/c actually terrorists are inconveniently non-white, and thus the Moral Purity of the Left might be besmirched by being "RACISSSSST!!!" if they call out terrorism. So they were trying to change the narrative w/r/t Dylann Roof, Adam Lanza and Robert Dear* being "TERRORISTS!!" b/c, y'know, "WHITE PEOPLE ARE JUST AS BAD AND PROBABLY WORSE!" and then the San Bernadino Muzzies come along and all that carefully constructed bullshit got wiped out in an afternoon.
B/B
*They all look like they were on psychotropics, although there is actually a semi-case that *might* be made for Dear, if they can show he had any contacts with the "Army of God" people, but even that group is nowhere near AQ or Daesh's league.
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Keep in mind how many incidents of self-defence (including by homeowners) do NOT go widely reported in the media. No body got shot, no headline news.
Meanwhile, in my country, only those who undergo a lot of background checks are allowed to own guns, but the Lindt Cafe in Sydney was held up by a man on a police watchlist, using a gun almost NOBODY here would be allowed to have, so the laws did not work.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Sydney_hostage_crisis
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"The USA doesn't have a problem with guns" Nor do crack addicts have a drug problem!!!!
If not so terribly sad, this would be the funniest thing I have read in a long long time!
You're right, only all the dead American kids have a problem with guns. But, hey, they don't vote.
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I learned a very important lesson today: the world is much more black and white than I thought and all problems can be solved with guns and more guns.
Thanks Anteros. By the way, are you posting from the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge by chance?
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I learned a very important lesson today: the world is much more black and white than I thought and all problems can be solved with guns and more guns.
Thanks Anteros. By the way, are you posting from the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge by chance?
No, I'm not. However of course I am familiar with it and I'm ambivalent about it as I don't know the issues well enough. IOW it's not something I am interested in at this point in time.
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Our American friends here say the western media misrepresent gun violence in the US. But cannot accept the same media misrepresent issues pertaining to Russia, and slavishly lap up every bit of propaganda put out as 'news'. Odd that.
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Our American friends here say the western media misrepresent gun violence in the US. But cannot accept the same media misrepresent issues pertaining to Russia, and slavishly lap up every bit of propaganda put out as 'news'. Odd that.
It's not so much odd but more convenient.
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Our American friends here say the western media misrepresent gun violence in the US. But cannot accept the same media misrepresent issues pertaining to Russia, and slavishly lap up every bit of propaganda put out as 'news'. Odd that.
It's not so much odd but more convenient.
As it is to state that the USA doesn't have a gun problem when there is a mass casualty event caused by firearms almost every day of the year in the good ol US of A....
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/us/how-often-do-mass-shootings-occur-on-average-every-day-records-show.html?referer=&_r=0
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Our American friends here say the western media misrepresent gun violence in the US. But cannot accept the same media misrepresent issues pertaining to Russia, and slavishly lap up every bit of propaganda put out as 'news'. Odd that.
It's not so much odd but more convenient.
As it is to state that the USA doesn't have a gun problem when there is a mass casualty event caused by firearms almost every day of the year in the good ol US of A....
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/us/how-often-do-mass-shootings-occur-on-average-every-day-records-show.html?referer=&_r=0
Still whining about collateral damage I see.
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Our American friends here say the western media misrepresent gun violence in the US. But cannot accept the same media misrepresent issues pertaining to Russia, and slavishly lap up every bit of propaganda put out as 'news'. Odd that.
It's not so much odd but more convenient.
As it is to state that the USA doesn't have a gun problem when there is a mass casualty event caused by firearms almost every day of the year in the good ol US of A....
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/us/how-often-do-mass-shootings-occur-on-average-every-day-records-show.html?referer=&_r=0
Still whining about collateral damage I see.
Still deluded I see.
So, why haven't you got a gun Anteros if you're for the gun thing? You run the risk of being shot and your local women being harassed by Muslim grooming gangs.
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Our American friends here say the western media misrepresent gun violence in the US. But cannot accept the same media misrepresent issues pertaining to Russia, and slavishly lap up every bit of propaganda put out as 'news'. Odd that.
It's not so much odd but more convenient.
As it is to state that the USA doesn't have a gun problem when there is a mass casualty event caused by firearms almost every day of the year in the good ol US of A....
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/us/how-often-do-mass-shootings-occur-on-average-every-day-records-show.html?referer=&_r=0
Still whining about collateral damage I see.
Still deluded I see.
So, why haven't you got a gun Anteros if you're for the gun thing? You run the risk of being shot and your local women being harassed by Muslim grooming gangs.
What makes you think that I don't own a gun? Don't worry about the local women, they can take care of themselves.
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Funny - dead kids is "collateral damage". Your head is messed up man.
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Many questions Anteros. Like how did God and being Christian come to be conflated with violence and hatred. When I think of the word "sicko", I think of you.
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Keep whining Jerash. Making personal attacks and attempting to spread a false narrative is not going to change the will of Americans who own guns legally. Why you euro-fools try to spread your disease in America is a mystery. It has not succeeded before and it won't now.
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not going to change the will of Americans who own guns legally.
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not going to change the will of Americans who own guns legally.
Insert inane liberal circle jerk joke here...
Cute trite little jokes will not change the fact that gun control only leads to more death and violence and a State which could commit violence against it's citizens at will -- Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia, Communist China under Mao all had gun control.
Illinois and Chicago have the toughest gun control laws in the USA and Chicago averages about 500 homicides a year. You lot think it's a joke to tell us we should give up the right to defend ourselves but we don't. You'll never succeed in your silly little campaign; I suggest you focus on telling us more about how the US economy is doomed.
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"Note that Illinois is the only state left in the nation where citizens have no ability to legally carry a gun for self-defense. In order to buy a gun, or even ammunition, an Illinois resident must produce a current FOID (Firearm Owners Identification) card. Chicago residents have yet more bureaucratic hoops to jump through, making it almost impossible to legally own a handgun, even after the city’s outrageously restrictive gun laws were rebuffed by the Supreme Court in the 2010 McDonald decision."
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/chicago-the-poster-child-for-failed-gun-control/
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"But what is really astonishing about most of Chicago political and civic leaders is their steadfast refusal to confront reality. No matter how obvious the failure of their anti-gun programs, no matter how many gang shootings shatter the night, their response is always the same – “we need more gun laws.”
It’s as if they live in some alternate universe – apparently, none of the city’s politicians have ever watched the History Channel’s illuminating series, “Gangland,” which makes it abundantly clear that inner city gangs are as heavily armed as ever. These brazen street thugs (including Chicago’s) merely laugh at gun laws, even boldly showing their guns to the interviewer, right on camera!"
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Please keep your American disease contained. Only you and your ilk could consider bringing up kids getting gunned down by wackos (probably like you) as whining. And as some legal right. And as "not a problem."
What is wrong with you?
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More whining, and really weak ineffective whining. Here let me help you Jarash. I suggest you post some photos in your pathetic attempt to garner sympathy for your cause. Something like the famous photo of a drowned child, who drowned because of his fathers foolish behavior. Blaming me or others for accidents? Wow, that's really pathetic and typical of a whiney holier than thou "liberal".
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It is truly sad that you think kids getting shot up in a school is some joke worthy of your crap.
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It is truly sad that you think kids getting shot up in a school is some joke worthy of your crap.
Take a good look in the mirror. The only one attempting to interject crap like this into this debate and joke about it is you.
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Pretty sure that Jesus didn't tell you to hate and mock and lord yourself over the dispossessed. But that's you. I'd rather have a conversation with Hitler because he could probably put together intelligible arguments and even use grammar.
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It is truly sad that you think kids getting shot up in a school is some joke worthy of your crap.
Take a good look in the mirror. The only one attempt to interject crap like this into this debate and joke about it is you.
Is that what you tell yourself every morning?
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How many kids are you going to shoot to prove your point? Sicko
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Pretty sure that Jesus didn't tell you to hate and mock and lord yourself over the dispossessed. But that's you. I'd rather have a conversation with Hitler because he could probably put together intelligible arguments and even use grammar.
Uh huh.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
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http://news.sky.com/story/1633328/scots-police-teach-us-cops-how-to-avoid-gun-use
Seems to confirm what everyone but you thinks.
Best polish that gun, I've no doubt they'll all be converted to Islam while over here.
Disease incoming!
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Don't hide behind links. Not interested. I'm more interested to see you show me how Christianity is about murder, aggression, hatred, and mocking the weakest from your pedestal. C'mon I'm really interested. Tell me how God hates Syrian refugees and how he loves guns and intimidating your neighbours. Waiting now.
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(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/1969161_10152775545487365_8594984074135002648_n_zpsxyevmste.jpg)
Ah the good old days....
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More whining, and really weak ineffective whining. Here let me help you Jarash. I suggest you post some photos in your pathetic attempt to garner sympathy for your cause. Something like the famous photo of a drowned child, who drowned because of his fathers foolish behavior. Blaming me or others for accidents? Wow, that's really pathetic and typical of a whiney holier than thou "liberal".
Personally, I think that this photo is totally out of order, especially in this thread.
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It’s as if they live in some alternate universe – apparently, none of the city’s politicians have ever watched the History Channel’s illuminating series, “Gangland,” which makes it abundantly clear that inner city gangs are as heavily armed as ever. These brazen street thugs (including Chicago’s) merely laugh at gun laws, even boldly showing their guns to the interviewer, right on camera!"
And you , owning a gun is going to protect you how?
Simple example:
A muslim man wants to rape some woman, neither has gun because its illegal to have one. The muslim man however got one illegally because he's a criminal.
USA: You are owning a gun: You both get shot because he's a career criminal and has much more life experiences shooting at real people instead of paper targets. Or you will get shot before even knowing you're a target and the muslim man still gets to rape his victim. There is only a 0.1% probability you will shoot the muslim man before he gets a chance to shoot you.
Europe: You are not owning a gun: You will have to submit to the woman getting raped (like above), but you probably live to tell about it and there's a chance the police will arrest him and have justice served.
I dunno, you tell me.
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(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/gfzone2_zpscbtenv3g.jpg)
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There is only a 0.1% probability you will shoot the muslim man before he gets a chance to shoot you.
I dunno, you tell me.
Where did you get this statistic?
http://controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/12-times-mass-shootings-were-stopped-by-good-guys-with-guns/
"12 Times Mass Shootings Were Stopped by Good Guys With Guns"
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There is only a 0.1% probability you will shoot the muslim man before he gets a chance to shoot you.
I dunno, you tell me.
Where did you get this statistic?
http://controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/12-times-mass-shootings-were-stopped-by-good-guys-with-guns/
"12 Times Mass Shootings Were Stopped by Good Guys With Guns"
And how often not?
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/oct/02/mass-shootings-america-gun-violence
6 of those 12 happened in the last 3 years , so :
6 / 1052 = 0,005 or 0.5% ... (for mass shootings)
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There is only a 0.1% probability you will shoot the muslim man before he gets a chance to shoot you.
I dunno, you tell me.
Where did you get this statistic?
http://controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/12-times-mass-shootings-were-stopped-by-good-guys-with-guns/
"12 Times Mass Shootings Were Stopped by Good Guys With Guns"
And how often not?
Times not stopped by guns / times stopped by guns = %
Markje, the European elite are armed and yet they disarm the common people like you. These same anti-gun elite bring in men who like to rape white European women. You need to adopt conceal-carry laws especially for your women. In the States where these laws are passed rape and muggings go way down. Remember an armed society is a polite society.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/19/guns-in-america-for-every-criminal-killed-in-self-defense-34-innocent-people-die/
Need I say more after reading this article?
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Markje, the European elite are armed and yet they disarm the common people like you. These same anti-gun elite bring in men who like to rape white European women. You need to adopt conceal-carry laws especially for your women. In the States where these laws are passed rape and muggings go way down. Remember an armed society is a polite society.
I don't propose to completely outlaw guns, just to make a 'sanity' check by the government, to stop children, mentally ill and other people from getting near guns.
In NL it is completely legal to own a gun, if you get a permit from the Gov't.
This includes a monthly shooting practice in a shooting range, or you loose the permit.
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Markje, the European elite are armed and yet they disarm the common people like you. These same anti-gun elite bring in men who like to rape white European women. You need to adopt conceal-carry laws especially for your women. In the States where these laws are passed rape and muggings go way down. Remember an armed society is a polite society.
I don't propose to completely outlaw guns, just to make a 'sanity' check by the government, to stop children, mentally ill and other people from getting near guns.
In NL it is completely legal to own a gun, if you get a permit from the Gov't.
This includes a monthly shooting practice in a shooting range, or you loose the permit.
We may agree on quite a few things. I am of the mind that responsible law abiding and of course sane citizens can be a help in keeping what just happened in Cologne Germany down. The problem with some of your regulations is that it is hard to know when and where to draw the lines. An example of that would be returning military from combat zones going back to being civilians. Many and I mean many are treated for depression. When will they be allowed to own a gun? Who decides if their sane enough? The same applies to the police. Many of them suffer from PTSD also. Cops "eating their gun" is an expression used commonly among themselves. It's a mess to be sure.
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Attaboy'
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It’s as if they live in some alternate universe – apparently, none of the city’s politicians have ever watched the History Channel’s illuminating series, “Gangland,” which makes it abundantly clear that inner city gangs are as heavily armed as ever. These brazen street thugs (including Chicago’s) merely laugh at gun laws, even boldly showing their guns to the interviewer, right on camera!"
Europe: You are not owning a gun: You will have to submit to the woman getting raped (like above), but you probably live to tell about it and there's a chance the police will arrest him and have justice served.
What a sad and truly pathetic response. The response and expectation of a pacifist who has already surrendered. No wonder Islam is running amok in Sweden, Holland, Germany, etc. It is not a matter of "if" a relative of yours will suffer this humiliation, it's only a matter of when, because you as a man have adjudicated your duty as a man to somebody else.
I suggest you stop listening to the unholy union of the politicians and left-wing media which has put you into this predicament, and start listening to some senior military leaders who can see the writing on the wall.
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"In an internal document uncovered last week, the chief of the Swedish army General Anders Brännström ordered his troops to prepare for a war in Europe against skilled opponents “within a few years”.
“The global environment we are experiencing which is also demonstrated by strategic decisions [taken by politicians] leads us to the conclusion we could be at war within a few years,” wrote Brännström.
Back in December, Swiss army chief André Blattmann warned that the risk of social unrest in Europe was intensifying and that citizens should arm themselves."
http://www.infowars.com/norwegian-army-chief-europe-will-have-to-fight-to-preserve-its-values/
PS At least we can say for certain that forum member and Swiss citizen Jean-Claude will be armed and ready for what may lie ahead.
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What a sad and truly pathetic response. The response and expectation of a pacifist who has already surrendered. No wonder Islam is running amok in Sweden, Holland, Germany, etc. It is not a matter of "if" a relative of yours will suffer this humiliation, it's only a matter of when, because you as a man have adjudicated your duty as a man to somebody else.
You forgot to quote the other options where you end up dead and the woman gets raped anyway.
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What a sad and truly pathetic response. The response and expectation of a pacifist who has already surrendered. No wonder Islam is running amok in Sweden, Holland, Germany, etc. It is not a matter of "if" a relative of yours will suffer this humiliation, it's only a matter of when, because you as a man have adjudicated your duty as a man to somebody else.
You forgot to quote the other options where you end up dead and the woman gets raped anyway.
But Mark you always fight to protect your women even if it means your death. To do otherwise means the certain death of your soul.
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What a sad and truly pathetic response. The response and expectation of a pacifist who has already surrendered. No wonder Islam is running amok in Sweden, Holland, Germany, etc. It is not a matter of "if" a relative of yours will suffer this humiliation, it's only a matter of when, because you as a man have adjudicated your duty as a man to somebody else.
You forgot to quote the other options where you end up dead and the woman gets raped anyway.
But Mark you always fight to protect your women even if it means your death. To do otherwise means the certain death of your soul.
The soul of old Europe appears to be dead, doesn't it?
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What a sad and truly pathetic response. The response and expectation of a pacifist who has already surrendered. No wonder Islam is running amok in Sweden, Holland, Germany, etc. It is not a matter of "if" a relative of yours will suffer this humiliation, it's only a matter of when, because you as a man have adjudicated your duty as a man to somebody else.
You forgot to quote the other options where you end up dead and the woman gets raped anyway.
But Mark you always fight to protect your women even if it means your death. To do otherwise means the certain death of your soul.
Fight yes, fight uselessly, no.
I am sure maxx, that once you have lived in a more gun-free society, you will see the benefits sooner or later.
For example:
No mass shootings
No kids accidentally shooting themselves
No mentally unstable folk going off on a killing spree.
etc.
Crime isn't the only place guns are used.
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What a sad and truly pathetic response. The response and expectation of a pacifist who has already surrendered. No wonder Islam is running amok in Sweden, Holland, Germany, etc. It is not a matter of "if" a relative of yours will suffer this humiliation, it's only a matter of when, because you as a man have adjudicated your duty as a man to somebody else.
You forgot to quote the other options where you end up dead and the woman gets raped anyway.
But Mark you always fight to protect your women even if it means your death. To do otherwise means the certain death of your soul.
Fight yes, fight uselessly, no.
I am sure maxx, that once you have lived in a more gun-free society, you will see the benefits sooner or later.
I'm sorta living in one now, the Republic of Georgia. I do miss my World War 2 rifle collection and target shooting.
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What a sad and truly pathetic response. The response and expectation of a pacifist who has already surrendered. No wonder Islam is running amok in Sweden, Holland, Germany, etc. It is not a matter of "if" a relative of yours will suffer this humiliation, it's only a matter of when, because you as a man have adjudicated your duty as a man to somebody else.
So you think having a gun is the only way to protect and see justice served?
I would never want my country to be like the US and seeing the gun crime epidemic does nothing to convince me otherwise. Should Islam and it's most vile followers begin to behave as you've suggested, then believe me, the Scots are quite at home with rage, violence and aggression. The difference is, we don't need gun laws during non apocalyptic periods and we certainly don't need to legally arm any low IQ individuals in the mean time.
:'(
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What a sad and truly pathetic response. The response and expectation of a pacifist who has already surrendered. No wonder Islam is running amok in Sweden, Holland, Germany, etc. It is not a matter of "if" a relative of yours will suffer this humiliation, it's only a matter of when, because you as a man have adjudicated your duty as a man to somebody else.
You forgot to quote the other options where you end up dead and the woman gets raped anyway.
But Mark you always fight to protect your women even if it means your death. To do otherwise means the certain death of your soul.
Question for Maxx and Anteros.
When you say protecting your women to death can you elaborate a little?
Since both are or have seeked wife's from the FSU previously one wonders who's being protected exactly. Are you protecting your women (from yourselves) by seeking mates from overseas?
In your case Maxx your miles away from home, are you really ready to return in the blink of an eye should your women need you? It's a romantic notion, would probably make a great film.
I know the easiest thing to do when faced with a problem is to point out the problem of another nation/continent but the easiest thing is rarely the most sensible is it?
How many mass shootings will occur in America this week? Probably way more than 'Cologne's' will in the entire year.
Anteros if you want more town names with Asian grooming gangs just drop me a PM - I can give you way more info than even Westy could find on Google.
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Attaboy'
So your police are wrong to come to the Sharia UK for training on how to use guns less?
Watch the video, overweight hillbilly's saying they'd have shot people immediately..... probably because they're so unfit they couldn't chase or run away should they need to.
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Attaboy'
So your police are wrong to come to the Sharia UK for training on how to use guns less?
Watch the video, overweight hillbilly's saying they'd have shot people immediately..... probably because they're so unfit they couldn't chase or run away should they need to.
This is interesting. So now that I didn't answer your post soon enough you decide to make a supposition as if you can read my mind?
I don't have a problem with US police learning how to disarm somebody without shooting them, and in fact I hope they could indeed do that.
They (the US police) should at the very least be trained to Taser somebody instead of shooting them with a real gun. Many police agencies do this which is a non-lethal method. Obviously once a firearm is shot there is no way to "take it back".
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Attaboy'
So your police are wrong to come to the Sharia UK for training on how to use guns less?
Watch the video, overweight hillbilly's saying they'd have shot people immediately..... probably because they're so unfit they couldn't chase or run away should they need to.
This is interesting. So now that I didn't answer your post soon enough you decide to make a supposition as if you can read my mind?
I don't have a problem with US police learning how to disarm somebody without shooting them, and in fact I hope they could indeed do that.
They (the US police) should at the very least be trained to Taser somebody instead of shooting them with a real gun. Many police agencies do this which is a non-lethal method. Obviously once a firearm is shot there is no way to "take it back".
Take a look at how the Dutch and Norwegian police do things, far more passive in their approach and what passive countries they are.
Do you really need to bring somebody to the floor incapacitated before you can enter into some form of human interaction with them (Dialogue)? I think not, unless he or she is waving a gun around....
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Attaboy'
So your police are wrong to come to the Sharia UK for training on how to use guns less?
Watch the video, overweight hillbilly's saying they'd have shot people immediately..... probably because they're so unfit they couldn't chase or run away should they need to.
This is interesting. So now that I didn't answer your post soon enough you decide to make a supposition as if you can read my mind?
I don't have a problem with US police learning how to disarm somebody without shooting them, and in fact I hope they could indeed do that.
They (the US police) should at the very least be trained to Taser somebody instead of shooting them with a real gun. Many police agencies do this which is a non-lethal method. Obviously once a firearm is shot there is no way to "take it back".
Take a look at how the Dutch and Norwegian police do things, far more passive in their approach and what passive countries they are.
Do you really need to bring somebody to the floor incapacitated before you can enter into some form of human interaction with them (Dialogue)? I think not, unless he or she is waving a gun around....
First of all this discussion about Police training is an offshoot from the subject of the thread.
Having said that I don't have a problem with USA police departments learning how to do stuff better from their European co-parts, in fact I think it should be mandatory as there's obviously a problem with some American police officers using deadly force when they should not be doing so.
For riot control I think our officers should receive supplemental training from the German Polizei.
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Attaboy'
So your police are wrong to come to the Sharia UK for training on how to use guns less?
Watch the video, overweight hillbilly's saying they'd have shot people immediately..... probably because they're so unfit they couldn't chase or run away should they need to.
This is interesting. So now that I didn't answer your post soon enough you decide to make a supposition as if you can read my mind?
I don't have a problem with US police learning how to disarm somebody without shooting them, and in fact I hope they could indeed do that.
They (the US police) should at the very least be trained to Taser somebody instead of shooting them with a real gun. Many police agencies do this which is a non-lethal method. Obviously once a firearm is shot there is no way to "take it back".
Take a look at how the Dutch and Norwegian police do things, far more passive in their approach and what passive countries they are.
Do you really need to bring somebody to the floor incapacitated before you can enter into some form of human interaction with them (Dialogue)? I think not, unless he or she is waving a gun around....
First of all this discussion about Police training is an offshoot from the subject of the thread.
Having said that I don't have a problem with USA police departments learning how to do stuff better from their European co-parts, in fact I think it should be mandatory as there's obviously a problem with some American police officers using deadly force when they should not be doing so.
For riot control I think our officers should receive supplemental training from the German Polizei.
Not really, take the guns out of the peoples hands and the police won't need to be so trigger happy, eventually a more calm and logical culture might develop.
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Attaboy'
So your police are wrong to come to the Sharia UK for training on how to use guns less?
Watch the video, overweight hillbilly's saying they'd have shot people immediately..... probably because they're so unfit they couldn't chase or run away should they need to.
This is interesting. So now that I didn't answer your post soon enough you decide to make a supposition as if you can read my mind?
I don't have a problem with US police learning how to disarm somebody without shooting them, and in fact I hope they could indeed do that.
They (the US police) should at the very least be trained to Taser somebody instead of shooting them with a real gun. Many police agencies do this which is a non-lethal method. Obviously once a firearm is shot there is no way to "take it back".
Take a look at how the Dutch and Norwegian police do things, far more passive in their approach and what passive countries they are.
Do you really need to bring somebody to the floor incapacitated before you can enter into some form of human interaction with them (Dialogue)? I think not, unless he or she is waving a gun around....
First of all this discussion about Police training is an offshoot from the subject of the thread.
Having said that I don't have a problem with USA police departments learning how to do stuff better from their European co-parts, in fact I think it should be mandatory as there's obviously a problem with some American police officers using deadly force when they should not be doing so.
For riot control I think our officers should receive supplemental training from the German Polizei.
Not really, take the guns out of the peoples hands and the police won't need to be so trigger happy, eventually a more calm and logical culture might develop.
You sounded intelligent there for a moment; now back to making truly silly statements again I see. Good luck taking well over 350 MILLION legal firearms from red-blooded Americans. It's not going to happen, ever.
Then good luck taking the approximately 100 million highly lethal non-legal firearms from hardened drug dealers, murderers, thugs, etc. Most police officers in Chicago AVOID doing their jobs as a matter of normal day to day routine in order to live another day.
I suggest you go back to your fantasy world and build some Lego's or other such.
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I wonder if the Yankee babylon will be going to Rotherham. I'm sure 5 minutes there and they'd solve all problems.
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I swear this is true. Yesterday I was out taking photos of Tbilisi with my cab driver. I inquired why anyone would put all those bars on a third floor and not on the second. He and family live on the forth floor directly above the apartment with all the bars. I was told an interesting story about what happened to the residents that lived beneath them back 1991. Later when I get around to it I'll tell you what happened on my thread.
(http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k131/Maxx_1953/apartmentwindow_zpsd8sejnok.jpg)
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Nice old skool Vauxhall Cavalier there (Probably badged as an Opel Vectra).
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I swear this is true. Yesterday I was out taking photos of Tbilisi with my cab driver. I inquired why anyone would put all those bars on a third floor and not on the second. He and family live on the forth floor directly above the apartment with all the bars. I was told an interesting story about what happened to the residents that lived beneath them back 1991. Later when I get around to it I'll tell you what happened on my thread.
I am eagerly awaiting the contents of this story, Maxx! :popcorn:
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This is an excellent article on why the left's war on guns in America is failing and always will fail. Those who are truly interested in getting some academic information on the subject should read this. And those who only want to troll; well have at it.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/428569/war-guns-failed-san-bernardino?target=topic&tid=2571
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This is an excellent article on why the left's war on guns in America is failing and always will fail. Those who are truly interested in getting some academic information on the subject should read this. And those who only want to troll; well have at it.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/428569/war-guns-failed-san-bernardino?target=topic&tid=2571
Sad article, that even the ones who want to go gun-free can't advocate why it is such a great way of living without a gun.
It reaffirms my view, that you can't explain to a blind man how beautiful a sunrise is.
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Interesting news from a guns-regulated society:
http://www.powned.tv/nieuws/binnenland/2016/01/10_van_moorden_in_nl_gepleegd.html
10% of all murders in netherlands are committed by people whom escaped an asylum.
Imagine if we had guns, that 10% would be much, much more lethal.
But also interesting to note: we had 115 murders in Netherlands over the year 2015.
If we multiply Netherlands to American population, thats only 2038 murders with the same population.
Since America had 6000 children shooting themselves accidentally, we have more children-related-accidental deaths in America than Dutch total deaths, firearms or other murder weapons.
And please don't try to add population-density as a factor, since only Japan beats Netherlands concerning population-density.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_density#/media/File:EU_Pop2008_1024.PNG
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Interesting news from a guns-regulated society:
http://www.powned.tv/nieuws/binnenland/2016/01/10_van_moorden_in_nl_gepleegd.html
10% of all murders in netherlands are committed by people whom escaped an asylum.
Imagine if we had guns, that 10% would be much, much more lethal.
But also interesting to note: we had 115 murders in Netherlands over the year 2015.
If we multiply Netherlands to American population, thats only 2038 murders with the same population.
Since America had 6000 children shooting themselves accidentally, we have more children-related-accidental deaths in America than Dutch total deaths, firearms or other murder weapons.
And please don't try to add population-density as a factor, since only Japan beats Netherlands concerning population-density.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_density#/media/File:EU_Pop2008_1024.PNG
But Markje you're missing all the key points aren't you? Typical Lefty wefty anti gun lobbyist aren't you? They've always had guns so you can't take them away from them, it's like the law that defies logic and all reasoning. Yes kids will be shot, but if it helps people sleep better than that's OK. Isn't it?
Yes, NL is 1 of the most densely populated places, yet I've never been able to believe this when there as it's always so calm and very quite roads. (Not so quiet bikes lanes though)
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/woman-asperger-shot-dead-police-article-1.2520902
A woman threatens to shoot herself, so the police do it for her.
More guns would have been good in this case, mmmkay?
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Interesting news from a guns-regulated society:
http://www.powned.tv/nieuws/binnenland/2016/01/10_van_moorden_in_nl_gepleegd.html
10% of all murders in netherlands are committed by people whom escaped an asylum.
Imagine if we had guns, that 10% would be much, much more lethal.
But also interesting to note: we had 115 murders in Netherlands over the year 2015.
If we multiply Netherlands to American population, thats only 2038 murders with the same population.
Since America had 6000 children shooting themselves accidentally, we have more children-related-accidental deaths in America than Dutch total deaths, firearms or other murder weapons.
And please don't try to add population-density as a factor, since only Japan beats Netherlands concerning population-density.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_density#/media/File:EU_Pop2008_1024.PNG
Total fantasy when the EU forces NL to take its 10% quota of the next 10 Million radical islamist rapefugees. NL a small country will make the 1,000 plus Colonge New Year rapes look like a Rave by comparison. Your wife and kids will not be safe outside or even inside your home... At least buy yourself a shotgun for duck hunting and self defense.
As for the USA under the Obamunist Anti-Christians they have created so many sanctuary cities with radical islamist sympathizer rapefugees and over 179,000 felonious criminals have free reign that have come in from some of the most notorious criminal gangs in the Americas like El Salvador's MS 13 and most of the Mexican Drugs gangs - over 80+ that fight to control turf in Mexico cities, borders and countrysides. Their latest gambits is to send innocent looking kids to the border under Obama's unaccompanied minors amnesty program - an illegal executive order in direct violation of our Constitution that he has shredded - and a significant number of these kids are brought over to be Drugs mules and drugs runners who get treated as minors in our liberal Obamunist courts. Even worse their initiation rights include killing random Americans to make their bones and prove they have the ruthlessness to move up in their gangs.
Not to worry this is coming to all of Europe and UK over the next five years with leaders like the Traitor Merkel in Power in Germany and her ilk across the EU and UK. Good luck with that.
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Cuffy - If you cowboys pack in your global regime change fetish, maybe the waves of muslim migrants wouldn't have an excuse. Just a thought.
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Cuffy - If you cowboys pack in your global regime change fetish, maybe the waves of muslim migrants wouldn't have an excuse. Just a thought.
We've already had 7 years of Obama saying the same crap and all that happened was that ISIS went from being a "JV team" to taking over all the previous Iraqi cities which had been held by American troops which Obummer had sent home.
You lot worry about what is going to happen to you there in your little kingdom and we'll continue to do the heavy lifting around the World, without any appreciation or thanks from you, as always.
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Cuffy - If you cowboys pack in your global regime change fetish, maybe the waves of muslim migrants wouldn't have an excuse. Just a thought.
We've already had 7 years of Obama saying the same crap and all that happened was that ISIS went from being a "JV team" to taking over all the previous Iraqi cities which had been held by American troops which Obummer had sent home.
You lot worry about what is going to happen to you there in your little kingdom and we'll continue to do the heavy lifting around the World, without any appreciation or thanks from you, as always.
Completely ignoring the fact that you started this mess in the first place with your regime change fetish, greed and war mongering.
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You lot worry about what is going to happen to you there in your little kingdom and we'll continue to do the heavy lifting around the World, without any appreciation or thanks from you, as always.
Kinda like a bouncer who breaks up a fight he actually instigates. Now who can't appreciate that? (:)
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You lot worry about what is going to happen to you there in your little kingdom and we'll continue to do the heavy lifting around the World, without any appreciation or thanks from you, as always.
Kinda like a bouncer who breaks up a fight he actually instigates. Now who can't appreciate that? (:)
Many people feel the same way about Russia's offer to help with the peace process in Ukraine.
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Cuffy - If you cowboys pack in your global regime change fetish, maybe the waves of muslim migrants wouldn't have an excuse. Just a thought.
We've already had 7 years of Obama saying the same crap and all that happened was that ISIS went from being a "JV team" to taking over all the previous Iraqi cities which had been held by American troops which Obummer had sent home.
You lot worry about what is going to happen to you there in your little kingdom and we'll continue to do the heavy lifting around the World, without any appreciation or thanks from you, as always.
Completely ignoring the fact that you started this mess in the first place with your regime change fetish, greed and war mongering.
Leave your opinion about that out of it. Theories don't work with radical Muslims. You seem to realize that already.
Going back to the founding of the USA, obviously if we didn't have guns back then we would still be British citizens. Clearly we remember that and we feel that a US administration such as that of Obama is as bad or worse than being subjects of King George.
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You lot worry about what is going to happen to you there in your little kingdom and we'll continue to do the heavy lifting around the World, without any appreciation or thanks from you, as always.
Kinda like a bouncer who breaks up a fight he actually instigates. Now who can't appreciate that? (:)
Many people feel the same way about Russia's offer to help with the peace process in Ukraine.
Ukraine wants to join the sissy brigade.
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You lot worry about what is going to happen to you there in your little kingdom and we'll continue to do the heavy lifting around the World, without any appreciation or thanks from you, as always.
Kinda like a bouncer who breaks up a fight he actually instigates. Now who can't appreciate that? (:)
Many people feel the same way about Russia's offer to help with the peace process in Ukraine.
Ukraine wants to join the sissy brigade.
You mean the sissy brigade who believes in gun control? Got it. This video came to me courtesy of B/B. Much respect.
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I would have thought that there'd be a more positive opinion of guns on RUA now that Putin has authorised the carrying of handguns for self defence by Russian citizens (https://www.rt.com/news/206703-russia-guns-self-defense/). Anyone know how to say concealed carry in Russian?
That's correct, even though there are literally more murders in Russia a country of 140 million than in the US a country of 320 million Putin says that Russian citizens can carry guns for self defence. That must be a good thing? Putin says so.
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I would have thought that there'd be a more positive opinion of guns on RUA now that Putin has authorised the carrying of handguns for self defence by Russian citizens (https://www.rt.com/news/206703-russia-guns-self-defense/). Anyone know how to say concealed carry in Russian?
That's correct, even though there are literally more murders in Russia a country of 140 million than in the US a country of 320 million Putin says that Russian citizens can carry guns for self defence. That must be a good thing? Putin says so.
Once certain posters here get the official word from their masters you can be sure they will suddenly change their tune!
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
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Cuffy - If you cowboys pack in your global regime change fetish, maybe the waves of muslim migrants wouldn't have an excuse. Just a thought.
We've already had 7 years of Obama saying the same crap and all that happened was that ISIS went from being a "JV team" to taking over all the previous Iraqi cities which had been held by American troops which Obummer had sent home.
You lot worry about what is going to happen to you there in your little kingdom and we'll continue to do the heavy lifting around the World, without any appreciation or thanks from you, as always.
Completely ignoring the fact that you started this mess in the first place with your regime change fetish, greed and war mongering.
Leave your opinion about that out of it. Theories don't work with radical Muslims. You seem to realize that already.
Going back to the founding of the USA, obviously if we didn't have guns back then we would still be British citizens. Clearly we remember that and we feel that a US administration such as that of Obama is as bad or worse than being subjects of King George.
FYI
Plenty countries eventually left the empire without firing a shot. I think they call it democracy? It took some time to understand that engineering global balance in order to reap the benefits, at the expense of legitimate civilisations was actually a bad thing. You guys might just understand that when you mature a little.
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Cuffy - If you cowboys pack in your global regime change fetish, maybe the waves of muslim migrants wouldn't have an excuse. Just a thought.
We've already had 7 years of Obama saying the same crap and all that happened was that ISIS went from being a "JV team" to taking over all the previous Iraqi cities which had been held by American troops which Obummer had sent home.
You lot worry about what is going to happen to you there in your little kingdom and we'll continue to do the heavy lifting around the World, without any appreciation or thanks from you, as always.
Completely ignoring the fact that you started this mess in the first place with your regime change fetish, greed and war mongering.
Leave your opinion about that out of it. Theories don't work with radical Muslims. You seem to realize that already.
Going back to the founding of the USA, obviously if we didn't have guns back then we would still be British citizens. Clearly we remember that and we feel that a US administration such as that of Obama is as bad or worse than being subjects of King George.
FYI
Plenty countries eventually left the empire without firing a shot. I think they call it democracy? It took some time to understand that engineering global balance in order to reap the benefits, at the expense of legitimate civilisations was actually a bad thing. You guys might just understand that when you mature a little.
A white Chicago police officer who fatally shot a black teenager last December is suing his family for $10m (£6.9m), claiming emotional distress.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35519757 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35519757)
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Cuffy - If you cowboys pack in your global regime change fetish, maybe the waves of muslim migrants wouldn't have an excuse. Just a thought.
We've already had 7 years of Obama saying the same crap and all that happened was that ISIS went from being a "JV team" to taking over all the previous Iraqi cities which had been held by American troops which Obummer had sent home.
You lot worry about what is going to happen to you there in your little kingdom and we'll continue to do the heavy lifting around the World, without any appreciation or thanks from you, as always.
Completely ignoring the fact that you started this mess in the first place with your regime change fetish, greed and war mongering.
Leave your opinion about that out of it. Theories don't work with radical Muslims. You seem to realize that already.
Going back to the founding of the USA, obviously if we didn't have guns back then we would still be British citizens. Clearly we remember that and we feel that a US administration such as that of Obama is as bad or worse than being subjects of King George.
FYI
Plenty countries eventually left the empire without firing a shot. I think they call it democracy? It took some time to understand that engineering global balance in order to reap the benefits, at the expense of legitimate civilisations was actually a bad thing. You guys might just understand that when you mature a little.
A white Chicago police officer who fatally shot a black teenager last December is suing his family for $10m (£6.9m), claiming emotional distress.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35519757 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35519757)
#campsissybrigade
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Cuffy - If you cowboys pack in your global regime change fetish, maybe the waves of muslim migrants wouldn't have an excuse. Just a thought.
We've already had 7 years of Obama saying the same crap and all that happened was that ISIS went from being a "JV team" to taking over all the previous Iraqi cities which had been held by American troops which Obummer had sent home.
You lot worry about what is going to happen to you there in your little kingdom and we'll continue to do the heavy lifting around the World, without any appreciation or thanks from you, as always.
Completely ignoring the fact that you started this mess in the first place with your regime change fetish, greed and war mongering.
Leave your opinion about that out of it. Theories don't work with radical Muslims. You seem to realize that already.
Going back to the founding of the USA, obviously if we didn't have guns back then we would still be British citizens. Clearly we remember that and we feel that a US administration such as that of Obama is as bad or worse than being subjects of King George.
FYI
Plenty countries eventually left the empire without firing a shot. I think they call it democracy? It took some time to understand that engineering global balance in order to reap the benefits, at the expense of legitimate civilisations was actually a bad thing. You guys might just understand that when you mature a little.
A white Chicago police officer who fatally shot a black teenager last December is suing his family for $10m (£6.9m), claiming emotional distress.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35519757 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35519757)
Good!
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Cuffy - If you cowboys pack in your global regime change fetish, maybe the waves of muslim migrants wouldn't have an excuse. Just a thought.
We've already had 7 years of Obama saying the same crap and all that happened was that ISIS went from being a "JV team" to taking over all the previous Iraqi cities which had been held by American troops which Obummer had sent home.
You lot worry about what is going to happen to you there in your little kingdom and we'll continue to do the heavy lifting around the World, without any appreciation or thanks from you, as always.
Completely ignoring the fact that you started this mess in the first place with your regime change fetish, greed and war mongering.
Leave your opinion about that out of it. Theories don't work with radical Muslims. You seem to realize that already.
Going back to the founding of the USA, obviously if we didn't have guns back then we would still be British citizens. Clearly we remember that and we feel that a US administration such as that of Obama is as bad or worse than being subjects of King George.
FYI
Plenty countries eventually left the empire without firing a shot. I think they call it democracy? It took some time to understand that engineering global balance in order to reap the benefits, at the expense of legitimate civilisations was actually a bad thing. You guys might just understand that when you mature a little.
We do it our way. You might just understand that when you mature a little bit.
We'll be keeping our approximately 350 Million legally registered firearms, and we don't care what you think
about it.
Perhaps someday when you mature a little bit, you'll recognize that free will is a very important part of being a human being, and we intend to keep it as long as we're breathing and above ground.
IOW worry about your own doorstep and your own backyard.
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If there was a mass shooting at a NRA national convention, they might get the message.
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If there was a mass shooting at a NRA national convention, they might get the message.
In yesterday (8 feb 2016) news: A 3-year old kid killed his 9 year older sister with his grandparents in the same room. The kid had apparently succesfully picked up a gun and used it before the grandparents could react.
According to the news-article, this latest shooting puts america back on-par for 1 accidental child shooting every week. (Meaning kids killing by accident below the age of 6)
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2016/02/8-year-old_suffers_life-threat.html
Anteros will argue, the 9 year old should have had her own gun so she could blow her little brother away before being fatally shot.
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Anteros will argue, the 9 year old should have had her own gun so she could blow her little brother away before being fatally shot.
And why not? Surely it only makes sense that she should have been armed. Poor kid.
Remember! An armed society is a polite society! :'(
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Anteros will argue, the 9 year old should have had her own gun so she could blow her little brother away before being fatally shot.
And why not? Surely it only makes sense that she should have been armed. Poor kid.
Remember! An armed society is a polite society! :'(
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You're just jealous Andy, you don't have your freedom!
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Yes, I really miss my freedom to get shot at by a bloodthirsty but frightened person such as Ant. :ROFL:
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Yes, I really miss my freedom to get shot at by a bloodthirsty but frightened person such as Ant. :ROFL:
I suspect it an be arranged quite cheaply in Easty among the local Vodka Bottle Head Banger neos...
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Yes, I really miss my freedom to get shot at by a bloodthirsty but frightened person such as Ant. :ROFL:
I suspect it an be arranged quite cheaply in Easty among the local Vodka Bottle Head Banger neos...
What's that in English, or some other civilised language?
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Yes, I really miss my freedom to get shot at by a bloodthirsty but frightened person such as Ant. :ROFL:
I suspect it an be arranged quite cheaply in Easty among the local Vodka Bottle Head Banger neos...
What's that in English, or some other civilised language?
Giddy up partner'
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Yes, I really miss my freedom to get shot at by a bloodthirsty but frightened person such as Ant. :ROFL:
I suspect it an be arranged quite cheaply in Easty among the local Vodka Bottle Head Banger neos...
What's that in English, or some other civilised language?
Andy what he's saying is that Estonia like Russia has a higher murder rate than the US. Life must therefore be far cheaper in Estonia and especially in Russia than in more civilised countries such as the US, UK and especially Canada.
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Yes, I really miss my freedom to get shot at by a bloodthirsty but frightened person such as Ant. :ROFL:
I suspect it an be arranged quite cheaply in Easty among the local Vodka Bottle Head Banger neos...
What's that in English, or some other civilised language?
Andy what he's saying is that Estonia like Russia has a higher murder rate than the US. Life must therefore be far cheaper in Estonia and especially in Russia than in more civilised countries such as the US, UK and especially Canada.
The US is more civilised than Estonia? I hadn't noticed.......
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Yes, I really miss my freedom to get shot at by a bloodthirsty but frightened person such as Ant. :ROFL:
I suspect it an be arranged quite cheaply in Easty among the local Vodka Bottle Head Banger neos...
What's that in English, or some other civilised language?
Andy what he's saying is that Estonia like Russia has a higher murder rate than the US. Life must therefore be far cheaper in Estonia and especially in Russia than in more civilised countries such as the US, UK and especially Canada.
The US is more civilised than Estonia? I hadn't noticed.......
Westy knows, he's travelled to Estonia extensively.
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Ah, thanks for the translation.
I guess that all one can say is to repeat the following: The world is not quite as Westcoast imagines it to be.
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Ah, thanks for the translation.
I guess that all one can say is to repeat the following: The world is not quite as Westcoast imagines it to be.
Crime falls to a record low in Estonia in 2015:
http://www.baltic-course.com/eng/analytics/?doc=116247
Altogether 40 people lost their lives as a result of a murder or manslaughter in Estonia during 2015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Estonia
Demographics of Estonia Estonia
Indicator Rank Measure
Population 156th 1,313,271
40 murders over 1,3 million people over 2015.
America still has 323,201,243 people living in it, so:
323/1.3 * 40 = 993 murders on the same population as America.
No, i'd say America is the more murderous country ,even by estonian standards of living.
They don't even make the total of accidental deaths (6000) let alone if we add murders (32000) to the ballot.
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Yes, rapid progress has been made in respect of violence between people in Estonia.
I don't know the ins and outs of it, however I do know that there has been significant reorganising of the way in which police are trained to deal with domestic violence - usually the core of interpersonal violence.
And yes, while we have hunting and people can have guns for sporting purposes, of course Estonia simply does not have the horrific 'accidental' deaths caused by idiots keeping guns in their homes or on the person. (Idiots here defined as people who keep weapons in their home or on their person for any purpose other than animal control, sport, or hunting.)
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Ah, thanks for the translation.
I guess that all one can say is to repeat the following: The world is not quite as Westcoast imagines it to be.
Crime falls to a record low in Estonia in 2015:
http://www.baltic-course.com/eng/analytics/?doc=116247
Altogether 40 people lost their lives as a result of a murder or manslaughter in Estonia during 2015
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Estonia
Demographics of Estonia Estonia
Indicator Rank Measure
Population 156th 1,313,271
40 murders over 1,3 million people over 2015.
America still has 323,201,243 people living in it, so:
323/1.3 * 40 = 993 murders on the same population as America.
No, i'd say America is the more murderous country ,even by estonian standards of living.
They don't even make the total of accidental deaths (6000) let alone if we add murders (32000) to the ballot.
Markje are those figures correct I think you've missed a decimal place.
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Yep, that should be 9,930, but the point is still valid. Murricans, bunch of murdering so and so's! :8)
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Yep, that should be 9,930, but the point is still valid. Murricans, bunch of murdering so and so's! :8)
Yes, so they do murder more in Estonia than accidental deaths, but the USA'ians still murder a factor 3,5 more than Estonians.
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http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Murder-rate
Murder rate of countries / 100.000 citizens:
Estonia : 7 (but we know this should be 4)
United States: 5 (Should be 9.9 according to the official numbers on Wikipedia quoting gov't websites)
Russia : 15 (I could not find the raw data to substantiate this claim).
Netherlands : 0.93 (137 murders in 2015, on 16,908,443 people = 0.80 according to my data (Again wikipedia))
That makes 3 known bads , 1 unknown. This website is bullshit.
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Yes, I really miss my freedom to get shot at by a bloodthirsty but frightened person such as Ant. :ROFL:
Don't worry. Even if murder was legal the cost of a bullet would not be wasted on the likes of you.
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http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Murder-rate
Murder rate of countries / 100.000 citizens:
Estonia : 7 (but we know this should be 4)
United States: 5 (Should be 9.9 according to the official numbers on Wikipedia quoting gov't websites)
Russia : 15 (I could not find the raw data to substantiate this claim).
Netherlands : 0.93 (137 murders in 2015, on 16,908,443 people = 0.80 according to my data (Again wikipedia))
That makes 3 known bads , 1 unknown. This website is bullshit.
The figures are manipulated.
I you took the same qty of "Murders", and instead of using the population, you used the land area, then Russia would probably be down as one of the safest areas in the world.
I would also challenge their 15 Murders figures/100,000 population, this would equate to approximately 25,000 murders pa in Russia, which is a ridiculous figure.
I would say that probably less than half of that figure is more correct, though it is only my guess.
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If there was a mass shooting at a NRA national convention, they might get the message.
What do you think the chances of that happening are? My guess is "not very likely" b/c the mass shooter wannabe would get ventilated pretty quickly. Mass shooters don't show up at places where their intended victims can shoot back. That's why they turn up at schools and other locations where guns are prohibited. An NRA convention? Good luck with that. That sounds like it should be an episode of "Survivor".
If you took out the murder capitals of the US -- Detroit, St. Louis, Newark, New Orleans, Chicago, etc. -- the murder by firearms number would drop back to civilized levels pretty quickly, and without confiscatory gun control.
But hey, homies like to kill each other, very often, um, the "street level entrepreneurial" class that's involved with the pharmaceutical business. /shrug If you away from Democrat-ruled cities and thug farms and off to where decent folks live, suddenly you're no longer in a war zone.
B/B
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The top 30 cities in the US to avoid if you want to stay alive. Not really surprised with most of them. The St. Louis area has never been a safe area and after Ferguson it's probably going to stay that way. Detroit, Trenton, Newark, Camden and most of NJ have always been bad. Really the only surprise is that Chicago isn't on the list.
30 Chicago Heights, IL
29 Baton Rouge, LA
28 Buffalo, NY
27 Hattiesburg, MS
26 East Chicago, IN
25 Birmingham, AL
24 Desert Hot Springs, CA
23 Compton, CA
22 Myrtle Beach, SC
21 Fort Pierce, FL
20 Harvey, IL
19 Bridgeton, NJ
18 Flint, MI
17 Rocky Mount, NC
16 Pine Bluff, AR
15 Petersburg, VA
14 Newark, NJ
13 Baltimore, MD
12 Harrisburg, PA
11 Jackson, MS
10 Wilmington, DE
9 Trenton, NJ
8 Riviera Beach, FL
7 New Orleans, LA
6 Camden, NJ
5 Detroit, MI
4 Gary, IN
3 St. Louis, MO
2 Chester, PA
1 East St. Louis, IL
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/top-lists/highest-murder-rate-cities/#
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If there was a mass shooting at a NRA national convention, they might get the message.
What do you think the chances of that happening are? My guess is "not very likely" b/c the mass shooter wannabe would get ventilated pretty quickly. Mass shooters don't show up at places where their intended victims can shoot back. That's why they turn up at schools and other locations where guns are prohibited. An NRA convention? Good luck with that. That sounds like it should be an episode of "Survivor".
If you took out the murder capitals of the US -- Detroit, St. Louis, Newark, New Orleans, Chicago, etc. -- the murder by firearms number would drop back to civilized levels pretty quickly, and without confiscatory gun control.
But hey, homies like to kill each other, very often, um, the "street level entrepreneurial" class that's involved with the pharmaceutical business. /shrug If you away from Democrat-ruled cities and thug farms and off to where decent folks live, suddenly you're no longer in a war zone.
B/B
It's common sense that a person wanting to be a mass shooter is not going to go to a function which would have a plethora of heavily armed persons, however that such a scenario was posited by a liberal member of this forum is not surprising.
The ones making these silly arguments are almost also ones who live in the sanctity of a suburb or gated community.
Both Hillary Clinton and Obama have round the clock armed guards but as usual certain "elites" continue to think that only they deserve to be able to have protection.
Cars kill far more persons each year. Why are we not arguing that cars should be outlawed? What is the difference? Both are tools. Just like a hammer is a tool, or a knife, or a sword.
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If there was a mass shooting at a NRA national convention, they might get the message.
What do you think the chances of that happening are? My guess is "not very likely" b/c the mass shooter wannabe would get ventilated pretty quickly. Mass shooters don't show up at places where their intended victims can shoot back. That's why they turn up at schools and other locations where guns are prohibited. An NRA convention? Good luck with that. That sounds like it should be an episode of "Survivor".
If you took out the murder capitals of the US -- Detroit, St. Louis, Newark, New Orleans, Chicago, etc. -- the murder by firearms number would drop back to civilized levels pretty quickly, and without confiscatory gun control.
But hey, homies like to kill each other, very often, um, the "street level entrepreneurial" class that's involved with the pharmaceutical business. /shrug If you away from Democrat-ruled cities and thug farms and off to where decent folks live, suddenly you're no longer in a war zone.
B/B
Cars kill far more persons each year. Why are we not arguing that cars should be outlawed?
Alcohol kills far more people each year than guns. Tobacco kills at least 10X the number of people each year as guns. Neither has a constitutional amendment protecting it. Why not outlaw alcohol and tobacco?
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If there was a mass shooting at a NRA national convention, they might get the message.
What do you think the chances of that happening are? My guess is "not very likely" b/c the mass shooter wannabe would get ventilated pretty quickly. Mass shooters don't show up at places where their intended victims can shoot back. That's why they turn up at schools and other locations where guns are prohibited. An NRA convention? Good luck with that. That sounds like it should be an episode of "Survivor".
If you took out the murder capitals of the US -- Detroit, St. Louis, Newark, New Orleans, Chicago, etc. -- the murder by firearms number would drop back to civilized levels pretty quickly, and without confiscatory gun control.
But hey, homies like to kill each other, very often, um, the "street level entrepreneurial" class that's involved with the pharmaceutical business. /shrug If you away from Democrat-ruled cities and thug farms and off to where decent folks live, suddenly you're no longer in a war zone.
B/B
Cars kill far more persons each year. Why are we not arguing that cars should be outlawed?
Alcohol kills far more people each year than guns. Tobacco kills at least 10X the number of people each year as guns. Neither has a constitutional amendment protecting it. Why not outlaw alcohol and tobacco?
Easy now. The UK guys need their fags. Who are we to take away their cigs so they might not get lung cancer?
They need their booze too, and it's obvious many of them drink too much of it. Outlaw it? Are you kidding?
BTW, how many children end up without a father, because dad's a hard core drunk? How many women get physically abused by drunken husbands? How many women must go to a shelter to get away from the violence of a drunk?
Supposedly these "liberals" care about kids and women. Lets see how many of them want to outlaw booze.
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Anteros - just shoot the kids, the women and the drunks. Problem solved. Don't worry, it's just collateral damage as you yourself said.
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Why not outlaw alcohol and tobacco?
That got tried with alcohol, which was both uncivilized and a failure.
Tobacco? Not much surprises me anymore, but it's a self-correcting problem.
B/B
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Why not outlaw alcohol and tobacco?
That got tried with alcohol, which was both uncivilized and a failure.
Various levels of government in the US have banned guns or limited types of guns available in the past and those laws have changed over time. With new science available on the effects of alcohol and new technology to detect drunks (breathalyzers) and new ways of transmitting information (the Internet and social media) we could try banning alcohol again. After all if people want to ban guns to save lives, banning alcohol would save even more lives.
Tobacco? Not much surprises me anymore, but it's a self-correcting problem.
B/B
Tobacco does tend to kill a lot of its users however there are always more people ready to lite up. The only true way to end the problems of tobacco is to end tobacco.
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Cars kill far more persons each year. Why are we not arguing that cars should be outlawed? What is the difference? Both are tools. Just like a hammer is a tool, or a knife, or a sword.
Thats a stupid comparison.
Cars are made for driving around, hammers made for smashing nails into wood.
A gun however, is made with only 1 purpose. To kill things.
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Cars kill far more persons each year. Why are we not arguing that cars should be outlawed? What is the difference? Both are tools. Just like a hammer is a tool, or a knife, or a sword.
Thats a stupid comparison.
Cars are made for driving around, hammers made for smashing nails into wood.
A gun however, is made with only 1 purpose. To kill things.
Markje mate, they just don't understand.
Of course problems occur with alcohol abuse and in some cases, people are affected by passive smoking but generally the only person suffering outside of an abusive relationship is the person smoking or drinking. We don't get mass murders because some loser lit up a beek and scaffed a few tins down the park. Likewise vehicles are designed to transport people from A to B, they weren't designed to kill people.
I think it's hilarious that you guys are bringing this crap up, you're seriously clutching at straws comparing a bloke having a few beers after work with a community armed with weapons on their person, designed to kill. :(
p.s. Just imagine the trouble over here in the UK when all these smoking, drinking Brits are falling about shooting each other. It's very fortunate that Americans don't partake in these draconian past times. :'(
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Cars kill far more persons each year. Why are we not arguing that cars should be outlawed? What is the difference? Both are tools. Just like a hammer is a tool, or a knife, or a sword.
Thats a stupid comparison.
Cars are made for driving around, hammers made for smashing nails into wood.
A gun however, is made with only 1 purpose. To kill things.
No it's not stupid. Guns are not made with only 1 purpose. What's stupid is that we've got the same Euro guys repeating the same asinine arguments.
Cars might have a primary purpose. In the wrong hands, that purpose changes. Same thing with each and every tool. The user makes the difference.
How many times every day does an inebriated (drunk, for Jacka$$) person get behind the wheels of a car and seriously injure or hurt someone?
Whoops! So much for your stated person of what a car is for. It just did not turn out that time, now did it Einstein?
Better outlaw both cars and drunks. :thumbsup: Starting with Jackass.
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Easier to keep most of the gun-toting nutters all in one place away from civilised countries, somewhere mostly surrounded by water, and tell them they fighting for freedom, and they don't need a passport as there is nothing to see out there. Oh wait.........
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Easier to keep most of the gun-toting nutters all in one place away from civilised countries, somewhere mostly surrounded by water, and tell them they fighting for freedom, and they don't need a passport as there is nothing to see out there. Oh wait.........
I recommend some Starbucks coffee, Mate. You know, the coffee made in that dread place you've just mentioned?
:laugh: :coffeeread:
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Easier to keep most of the gun-toting nutters all in one place away from civilised countries, somewhere mostly surrounded by water, and tell them they fighting for freedom, and they don't need a passport as there is nothing to see out there. Oh wait.........
I recommend some Starbucks coffee, Mate. You know, the coffee made in that dread place you've just mentioned?
:laugh: :coffeeread:
Nobody drinks Starbucks in the UK other than teenage girls.
Right up your street I'd say, Mate!
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Easier to keep most of the gun-toting nutters all in one place away from civilised countries, somewhere mostly surrounded by water, and tell them they fighting for freedom, and they don't need a passport as there is nothing to see out there. Oh wait.........
I recommend some Starbucks coffee, Mate. You know, the coffee made in that dread place you've just mentioned?
:laugh: :coffeeread:
Nobody drinks Starbucks in the UK other than teenage girls.
Right up your street I'd say, Mate!
I was not aware of that, however your joke missed my point. :)
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No it's not stupid. Guns are not made with only 1 purpose.
Enlighten me, what other uses are there for guns, except killing living things.
What's stupid is that we've got the same Euro guys repeating the same asinine arguments.
Cars might have a primary purpose. In the wrong hands, that purpose changes. Same thing with each and every tool. The user makes the difference.
Cars aren't made for killing, they are effective killing machines in the hands of drunk drivers etc, but that does not change the fact that they are terribly inefficient as killers as they aren't made for it.
Whoops! So much for your stated person of what a car is for. It just did not turn out that time, now did it Einstein?
Yes it did, read above. If I want to kill someone, 99 out of 100 times I will grab a gun and not a car or a hammer.
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If there was a mass shooting at a NRA national convention, they might get the message.
What do you think the chances of that happening are?
Approximately the same as their getting any message.
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What amazes me every time I take part in this thread, is the stubbornness from the pro gun lobby, to even consider the problems their lifestyle choices bring and the countless families who have had their lives torn apart in such a preventable way. I respect that your culture is different to mine and I appreciate you have customs in your world as I do in the UK but I've yet to hear a sensible argument as to why guns are a good thing in society.
The UK like other developed countries in the EU, actually allow you to own fire arms which can be used for hunting, sport and other sociable, recreational uses. I know many folks are anti hunting but I actually believe that its not a bad thing, done in a sustainable, sensible way.
However, claims of protecting yourselves from your government, your rights as a US citizen and maintaining your heritage do nothing to convince me that ordinary folks, carrying weapons designed to kill in urban areas is nothing more than an accident waiting to happen.
Disputes are part of daily life, crazy people look for trouble, folks walk around with the weight of the world on their shoulders, shed loads of people are burdened with mental illness, people drink too much and do regrettable things but having access to fire arms only escalates a situation.
Crap like an armed society is a polite society, is a load of tosh and you know it. I totally get that de-arming would take a long time and someone will be killed whilst relatives claim they would be standing here today if they had been packing heat but seriously....what civilized country in the developed world allows its society to legally carry firearms and not have preventable murder rates?
Ant - It's your country and it's not for us to say how you run it but whilst I'm waiting to be convinced otherwise, do you not even acknowledge that you have a big problem which could begin to cure with the correct legal framework?
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Hey Rosco,
According to the following link (which I'm sure certain posters will dispute) tobacco kills nearly 300 people each day in the United Kingdom. Let me know when you guys are going to outlaw tobacco smoking in your fair kingdom. Thanks!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/medical_notes/3756028.stm
How many people are affected?
Tobacco use kills around 106,000 people in the UK every year, which is nearly 300 every day.
About 12 million adults in the UK smoke cigarettes - 27% of men and 25% of women.
It has been estimated that, in England, 364,000 patients are admitted to NHS hospitals each year due to diseases caused by smoking. This translates into 7,000 hospital admissions per week, or 1,000 day.
More than 17,000 children under the age of five are admitted to hospital every year because of the effects of passive smoking.
Smoking costs the NHS between £1.4 and £1.7 billion a year in England.
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Hey Rosco,
According to the following link (which I'm sure certain posters will dispute) tobacco kills nearly 300 people each day in the United Kingdom. Let me know when you guys are going to outlaw tobacco smoking in your fair kingdom. Thanks!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/medical_notes/3756028.stm
How many people are affected?
Tobacco use kills around 106,000 people in the UK every year, which is nearly 300 every day.
About 12 million adults in the UK smoke cigarettes - 27% of men and 25% of women.
It has been estimated that, in England, 364,000 patients are admitted to NHS hospitals each year due to diseases caused by smoking. This translates into 7,000 hospital admissions per week, or 1,000 day.
More than 17,000 children under the age of five are admitted to hospital every year because of the effects of passive smoking.
Smoking costs the NHS between £1.4 and £1.7 billion a year in England.
Anteros,
How's the search for a wife going?
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Last I looked smoking was not a major cause of death by murder, manslaughter or accidental slaying.
While not a supporter of smoking the reality is that any ill-effects are self inflicted and, in the UK as well as other civilised countries, the mal-effects upon society are profitably supported by the taxation upon tobacco products.
Do we assume Ant that, as a supporter of freedoms, you do not support the idea that people should be able to do as they wish as long as it does not harm others? I support the use of guns in society on that basis - just as we enable such usage in the United Kingdom.
Oh, the link you quoted from is misleading; of course smoking has a cost to society, including the NHS, however the taxes paid more than cover this cost, and others. Additionally, I rather think that the number of kids quoted is more than somewhat fictional. That's supported by academic studies on the topic that refute passive smoking claims. To learn something, CLICK HERE! (http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/12/05/jnci.djt365.full) (Danger, some long words, some numbers and challenging concepts!)
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Here's a link which discusses how gun-control advocates lie about the definition of a child and accidents involving guns. Lot's of big words Andy so let's see if you can comprehend it.
Bringing up children in an argument about an adult subject is inappropriate and the typical type of histrionics and manipulation desired by the left.
B/B already mentioned this specific subject.
http://www.nssfblog.com/for-gun-control-advocates-exaggeration-is-standard-practice/
excerpt
"As Politifact reported , what the Brady Campaign neglected to mention is that the CDC’s data includes “children” aged 0-19. Important, but unnoted by the campaign, over half the accidental deaths were among 18 and 19 year olds. Additionally, approximately half the cases of unintentional injuries were also from 18 and 19 year olds. Politifact found that if this age group is removed from the calculation, the number of accidental deaths drops by 50 percent to 4 and the number of intentional injuries decreases to 5.
This discrepancy is significant. After all, those who are 18 can vote and join the military, which is hardly the province of “children” as most people define the term".
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This keeps going around and around and now you have mass murders as well as rape raves of EU women and girls by radical islamist terrorist sympathizers across the entire EU...
The first thing any tyrant does to suppress the local populations is to seize their arms.
A reason why Switzerland has never been invaded in modern history is their Mandatory military service and reserves service with ready arms in every home should they be called upon to repel borders or defend against Tyrants VS the NAZIs who seized all arms as soon as they took control of Germany.
Hitler once remarked to a Swiss official what would happen should they have decided to invade Switzerland and Hitler was bluntly told he would be facing an well armed and trained standing army of 800,000 men.
The founding fathers included the 2nd amendment not to guarantee hunting and fishing and fighting of native savages... rather to be able to counter King Gorge's Redcoats nasty habit of raiding colonists homes in the middle of the night and dragging off the able bodied men to arbitrary brutal Crown justice while raping the women and burning their homes and farms to the ground... Any Tyrant were to try such Royalist or National Socialist tactics in the USA would be faced with an Armed populace with a massive arsenal.
The most important tool I have besides my weapons to enforce our Constitutional Freedoms and Liberties is my NRA membership card.
Good luck with the next 10 Million radicalized Islamist Sympathizers your little continent and island homes will be forced to absorb and provide for over the next 5 to 10 years... might as well convert to Islam and Sharia now before it is forced upon you at the point of a large Islamo Combat beheading knife.
Unarmed you Euros have already been thoroughly phocked and are in complete denial about it.
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This keeps going around and around and now you have mass murders as well as rape raves of EU women by radical islamist terrorist sympathizers across the entire EU...
Unarmed you Euros have already been thoroughly phocked and are in complete denial about it.
I think the surrender monkeys like it that way.... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
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This keeps going around and around and now you have mass murders as well as rape raves of EU women by radical islamist terrorist sympathizers across the entire EU...
Unarmed you Euros have already been thoroughly phocked and are in complete denial about it.
I think the surrender monkeys like it that way.... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Mass murders? By Marlboro?
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This keeps going around and around and now you have mass murders as well as rape raves of EU women by radical islamist terrorist sympathizers across the entire EU...
Unarmed you Euros have already been thoroughly phocked and are in complete denial about it.
I think the surrender monkeys like it that way.... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Mass murders? By Marlboro?
Still need a double shot of espresso? Paris, France. And by the way Einstein, France has some of the most stringent gun-control on planet Earth. What could possibly go wrong?
https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/11/14/merkels-syrian-and-egyptian-refugees-one-of-muslims-behind-the-mass-murder-of-150-people-in-paris/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks
http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-guns-paris-attacks-2015-11
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Good luck with the next 10 Million radicalized Islamist Sympathizers your little continent and island homes will be forced to absorb and provide for over the next 5 to 10 years... might as well convert to Islam and Sharia now before it is forced upon you at the point of a large Islamo Combat beheading knife.
Cuffy, Europe already has at least 1.5 million Muslims asylum seekers on its soil and they're still coming as fast as ever. I'd say 10 million in the next decade is a very low number. Twenty million to twenty-five million is more likely.
Don't forget once the asylum seekers are settled, in most cases they can then sponsor other family members who once settled can sponsor other family members etc.
All of this is in addition to the weekly arrival of tens of thousands more asylum seekers which is going to continue for years unless the problems in the ME can be settled, which no one is counting on.
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Good luck with the next 10 Million radicalized Islamist Sympathizers your little continent and island homes will be forced to absorb and provide for over the next 5 to 10 years... might as well convert to Islam and Sharia now before it is forced upon you at the point of a large Islamo Combat beheading knife.
Cuffy, Europe already has at least 1.5 million Muslims asylum seekers on its soil and they're still coming as fast as ever. I'd say 10 million in the next decade is a very low number. Twenty million to twenty-five million is more likely.
Don't forget once the asylum seekers are settled, in most cases they can then sponsor other family members who once settled can sponsor other family members etc.
All of this is in addition to the weekly arrival of tens of thousands more asylum seekers which is going to continue for years unless the problems in the ME can be settled, which no one is counting on.
Yes but the good people of Europe don't need personal firearms for protection... :fighting0025:
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France has some of the most stringent gun-control on planet Earth. What could possibly go wrong?
Except that it is in the Schengen, which means no borders between 26 countries, some of which don't have controls on very much at all.
Which means load your car with guns in Lithuania, Czech, Slovenia, Slovakia for example, and drive to France without passing a border control. :whist11:
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Personally, I feel that if our colleagues over the pond wish to arm themselves with guns, then, and any consequences therefrom, are their problem, we in a more civilised society should not be critical, nor intervene in their way of life.
Once we begin dictating to our US colleagues as to what they are doing wrong (In our opinions), we are becoming just like the US government who try to dictate their form of democracy to other countries in the world.
If we in our civilised countries do not agree, then we should just not visit the US.
Personally, I would totally agree with "The right to carry/have guns" in the UK or Europe, and the right to defend oneself, ones family, and ones property with a gun.
I would think that there would be much less thieving/stealing rape etc going on, ok, probably more killings initially, but that's acceptable IMHO, and hopefully achieving a more honest society.
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Yeah, as 'honest' as the USA?
Here's a thing. We already know that most people simply can not act to kill another human being. That includes most people who carry or own guns.
We also know that getting a person to kill another takes a lot of training and mental conditioning. The more conditioning that is required the more likely it is that taking such action will result in significant mental distress leading to mental illness.
Thus, we know that it is most unlikely that proponents here of personal use of guns for self defence would be capable of actually using them. This leads us to the next problems, the accidental use of weapons and the raising of the implicit bar of violence.
If we have weapons that are never going to be used for their intended purpose, because their owners are mentally incapable of doing so, then we have a huge pool of accidents waiting to happen and that is exactly what we see in the US. We see thousands of deaths from 'accidents', we see very few citizens protecting themselves (except in cases where the citizen was previously trained and conditioned such as current or former military or police)'. We also see that because those engaged in theft from person or property reasonably assume that the counter party will be armed that malefactors tend to be armed and those weapons get used from fear or stress causing deaths to victims of home invasions, robberies and muggings.
If we are to make the use of guns a normal thing among the populace of the civilised world then we should ensure that we civilians are trained and conditioned to be capable of using them for their intended purpose.
How many here though would be willing to spend the time and money required to do so?
How many civilians here would be willing to run the risk of the mental illnesses so prevalent in US society as a result of the use of such weapons?
How many civilians here are willing to accept the significantly enhanced risk to personal safety that the extended use of guns as personal protection would lead to?
As a member of the civilised world I know that none of the foregoing restrictions upon my freedoms has any positive value to me.
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Personally, I feel that if our colleagues over the pond wish to arm themselves with guns, then, and any consequences therefrom, are their problem, we in a more civilised society should not be critical, nor intervene in their way of life.
Once we begin dictating to our US colleagues as to what they are doing wrong (In our opinions), we are becoming just like the US government who try to dictate their form of democracy to other countries in the world.
If we in our civilised countries do not agree, then we should just not visit the US.
Personally, I would totally agree with "The right to carry/have guns" in the UK or Europe, and the right to defend oneself, ones family, and ones property with a gun.
I would think that there would be much less thieving/stealing rape etc going on, ok, probably more killings initially, but that's acceptable IMHO, and hopefully achieving a more honest society.
:thumbsup:
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Easier to keep most of the gun-toting nutters all in one place away from civilised countries, somewhere mostly surrounded by water, and tell them they fighting for freedom, and they don't need a passport as there is nothing to see out there. Oh wait.........
Oh believe me, we often thank God for the Atlantic Ocean. Pacific, too, but mostly the Atlantic. We'd love nothing more that to be our isolationist selves, running our trade empire, but what we have learned is, that when we leave Europe alone, they are given over to sprouting genocidal, meglomaniacal, homicidal dictators, and then WHAM! we're up to our elbows in alligators again, and tens of millions are dead.
What modern history has shown us is that Europe needs Adult Supervision, fairly constantly.... :chuckle:
Easier to keep most of the gun-toting nutters all in one place away from civilised countries, somewhere mostly surrounded by water, and tell them they fighting for freedom, and they don't need a passport as there is nothing to see out there. Oh wait.........
I recommend some Starbucks coffee, Mate. You know, the coffee made in that dread place you've just mentioned?
:laugh: :coffeeread:
Go easy on the Brits, dude. That "Well-Regulated Militia" thing didn't work out for them last time around, and they're still butthurt about it. They even had to take the "Great" off of "Great Britain" for a few years until they lived it down. :chuckle:
B/B
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Easier to keep most of the gun-toting nutters all in one place away from civilised countries, somewhere mostly surrounded by water, and tell them they fighting for freedom, and they don't need a passport as there is nothing to see out there. Oh wait.........
I recommend some Starbucks coffee, Mate. You know, the coffee made in that dread place you've just mentioned?
:laugh: :coffeeread:
Here in the civilised world, we have coffee machines at home.
But when one must purchase outside, Costa is preferable for several reasons.
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How's that 'well regulated militia' thing working out for you then?
Truth is that the constitution does refer to that and where is you well regultaed militia? Is it in Oregon?
Are YOU a member of the well regulated militia?
Where's the website that I can look at? www.wellregulatedmilitia.com? Nope, the domain is for sale!
So, without a well regulated militia, why the guns? The Second Amendment is hardly unclear on the matter. Well regulated means a couple of things: disciplined and trained.
How many gun owners here are members of this fictional well regulated militia?
How much training is there for gun owners?
What discipline is there?
Well, we know the answers to those questions don't we!
There is none
There is none
There is none
So, like the 'polite society' fiction the right to bear arms is also fictional.
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Hey Rosco,
According to the following link (which I'm sure certain posters will dispute) tobacco kills nearly 300 people each day in the United Kingdom. Let me know when you guys are going to outlaw tobacco smoking in your fair kingdom. Thanks!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/medical_notes/3756028.stm
How many people are affected?
Tobacco use kills around 106,000 people in the UK every year, which is nearly 300 every day.
About 12 million adults in the UK smoke cigarettes - 27% of men and 25% of women.
It has been estimated that, in England, 364,000 patients are admitted to NHS hospitals each year due to diseases caused by smoking. This translates into 7,000 hospital admissions per week, or 1,000 day.
More than 17,000 children under the age of five are admitted to hospital every year because of the effects of passive smoking.
Smoking costs the NHS between £1.4 and £1.7 billion a year in England.
I don't smoke and personally I couldn't care if it were outlawed tonight. It's a separate issue though and not related to this thread in any way, other than you using it as a decoy. Smoking should be addressed and I've no doubt that in a 100 or so years, it'll unimaginable as to why people filled their lungs with smoke for recreational use.
Today however, awareness has increased, people are better educated, we've reduced the possibilities of passive smoking in public places etc so it is being addressed. So do you think the UK is denying that smoking causes death and we're burying our heads in the sand, rather than acknowledging a problem? And more interestingly, do you think that folks in the US don't smoke?
So back to guns - you were about to convince me that you don't have a murder problem and guns are good because......?? :popcorn:
p.s. - Can you provide an example of when some arsehole walked into a school and murdered 30 odd people by smoking a cigarette?
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How's that 'well regulated militia' thing working out for you then?
Truth is that the constitution does refer to that and where is you well regultaed militia? Is it in Oregon?
Are YOU a member of the well regulated militia?
Where's the website that I can look at? www.wellregulatedmilitia.com? Nope, the domain is for sale!
So, without a well regulated militia, why the guns? The Second Amendment is hardly unclear on the matter. Well regulated means a couple of things: disciplined and trained.
How many gun owners here are members of this fictional well regulated militia?
How much training is there for gun owners?
What discipline is there?
Well, we know the answers to those questions don't we!
So, like the 'polite society' fiction the right to bear arms is also fictional.
There are an estimated 18,000 indoor shooting ranges in the USA and probably about 1,000 outdoor ranges as well. Firearm safety classes and other training classes are ongoing. There are a lot of militia groups in the USA as well.
Since as usual you are posting hot air out of your backside (at 275lbs that's pretty significant) I suggest you STFU.
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France has some of the most stringent gun-control on planet Earth. What could possibly go wrong?
Except that it is in the Schengen, which means no borders between 26 countries, some of which don't have controls on very much at all.
Which means load your car with guns in Lithuania, Czech, Slovenia, Slovakia for example, and drive to France without passing a border control. :whist11:
Exactly.
Law abiding citizens do not carry firearms and cannot protect themselves against mass murder.
Meanwhile criminal types and extremist Muslim groups can easily get plenty of weapons and commit mass murder against you "civilized" Europeans.
Waiting your turn to be murdered while in a crowded theatre is so very civilized! :-*
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France has some of the most stringent gun-control on planet Earth. What could possibly go wrong?
Except that it is in the Schengen, which means no borders between 26 countries, some of which don't have controls on very much at all.
Which means load your car with guns in Lithuania, Czech, Slovenia, Slovakia for example, and drive to France without passing a border control. :whist11:
Exactly.
Law abiding citizens do not carry firearms and cannot protect themselves against mass murder.
Meanwhile criminal types and extremist Muslim groups can easily get plenty of weapons and commit mass murder against you "civilized" Europeans.
Waiting your turn to be murdered while in a crowded theatre is so very civilized! :-*
Which seldom happens compared with the mass shootings you boys foam up at.
I don't have to walk round a city and be on edge passing young punks who grow gun muscles because they're armed. We've got enough violence over here without making the outcome more severe.
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France has some of the most stringent gun-control on planet Earth. What could possibly go wrong?
Except that it is in the Schengen, which means no borders between 26 countries, some of which don't have controls on very much at all.
Which means load your car with guns in Lithuania, Czech, Slovenia, Slovakia for example, and drive to France without passing a border control. :whist11:
Just like the USA's 50 states with the drugs, gang members and Chinese machine guns pouring in from Mexico... Guess that United States of Europe a.k.a. EU just as problematic.
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Personally, I would totally agree with "The right to carry/have guns" in the UK or Europe, and the right to defend oneself, ones family, and ones property with a gun.
Now I pretty much agree with this.
I'd happily keep a gun at home for those purposes, especially if cases like Tony Martin were not possible here (I think if you shoot an intruder on your property, then you should be free and clear). I'd also happily subject myself to criminal/psychological/whatever checks to be able to do so.
And there is the difference. I think suitably sensible and properly vetted people should be allowed to have a gun at home (which actually we can but not a handgun and you cant shoot people). Swagger about in the street? No. In the glovebox? Ideally yes, but too much danger of theft.
The problem the US has is every man and his dog can get one, so every man and his dog needs one. Its like the chicken and the egg. Which came first? It is too late to regulate it to sensible people there. If I lived in the US, I'd probably have to buy a gun and learn how to use it.
But now the gun lark is out of control in the US.
Question: Is it FL where if you shoot an intruder on your own property you are free and clear?
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Personally, I feel that if our colleagues over the pond wish to arm themselves with guns, then, and any consequences therefrom, are their problem, we in a more civilised society should not be critical, nor intervene in their way of life.
Once we begin dictating to our US colleagues as to what they are doing wrong (In our opinions), we are becoming just like the US government who try to dictate their form of democracy to other countries in the world.
If we in our civilised countries do not agree, then we should just not visit the US.
Personally, I would totally agree with "The right to carry/have guns" in the UK or Europe, and the right to defend oneself, ones family, and ones property with a gun.
I would think that there would be much less thieving/stealing rape etc going on, ok, probably more killings initially, but that's acceptable IMHO, and hopefully achieving a more honest society.
:thumbsup:
+1
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Yeah, as 'honest' as the USA?
Here's a thing. We already know that most people simply can not act to kill another human being. That includes most people who carry or own guns.
We also know that getting a person to kill another takes a lot of training and mental conditioning. The more conditioning that is required the more likely it is that taking such action will result in significant mental distress leading to mental illness.
Thus, we know that it is most unlikely that proponents here of personal use of guns for self defence would be capable of actually using them. This leads us to the next problems, the accidental use of weapons and the raising of the implicit bar of violence.
If we have weapons that are never going to be used for their intended purpose, because their owners are mentally incapable of doing so, then we have a huge pool of accidents waiting to happen and that is exactly what we see in the US. We see thousands of deaths from 'accidents', we see very few citizens protecting themselves (except in cases where the citizen was previously trained and conditioned such as current or former military or police)'. We also see that because those engaged in theft from person or property reasonably assume that the counter party will be armed that malefactors tend to be armed and those weapons get used from fear or stress causing deaths to victims of home invasions, robberies and muggings.
If we are to make the use of guns a normal thing among the populace of the civilised world then we should ensure that we civilians are trained and conditioned to be capable of using them for their intended purpose.
How many here though would be willing to spend the time and money required to do so?
How many civilians here would be willing to run the risk of the mental illnesses so prevalent in US society as a result of the use of such weapons?
How many civilians here are willing to accept the significantly enhanced risk to personal safety that the extended use of guns as personal protection would lead to?
As a member of the civilised world I know that none of the foregoing restrictions upon my freedoms has any positive value to me.
Lord Afi of deception, denial and DELUSION...
Where does one start to address the mentally ill basis of your arguments?
The fact that you exist at all is testimony to the 40,000 years of Mortal Combat before during and after ice ages that culminated in YOU as a result of a genetic line who fought for their land and families or hid out in sewers like rats and managed to survive so many wars, starvation events and plagues.
Not really much more to say about someone who thinks those that arm themselves are mentally ill and uncivilized... expecially considering the flood of Euro Christian hating barbarians flooding across the gates of the EU... When the rapefugees find out how many sexy blondes are in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania who need a solid pipe laying by the barbarian breeders and start building mosques and minarets in place of churches and steeples do let us know how that works out for you civilized Euro conscientious violence objectors as they breed your race - with your own women - out of existence like they did in Lebanon once considered the Paris of the middle east - ironic considering Paris is now the Beirut of Europa.
Islamic Conquest of Southern Europe complete it is Northern and Eastern Europe next.
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France has some of the most stringent gun-control on planet Earth. What could possibly go wrong?
Except that it is in the Schengen, which means no borders between 26 countries, some of which don't have controls on very much at all.
Which means load your car with guns in Lithuania, Czech, Slovenia, Slovakia for example, and drive to France without passing a border control. :whist11:
Exactly.
Law abiding citizens do not carry firearms and cannot protect themselves against mass murder.
Meanwhile criminal types and extremist Muslim groups can easily get plenty of weapons and commit mass murder against you "civilized" Europeans.
Waiting your turn to be murdered while in a crowded theatre is so very civilized! :-*
Are you not a fan of Batman? I guess you weren't there were you, Hero?
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Personally, I would totally agree with "The right to carry/have guns" in the UK or Europe, and the right to defend oneself, ones family, and ones property with a gun.
Now I pretty much agree with this.
I'd happily keep a gun at home for those purposes, especially if cases like Tony Martin were not possible here (I think if you shoot an intruder on your property, then you should be free and clear). I'd also happily subject myself to criminal/psychological/whatever checks to be able to do so.
And there is the difference. I think suitably sensible and properly vetted people should be allowed to have a gun at home (which actually we can but not a handgun and you cant shoot people). Swagger about in the street? No. In the glovebox? Ideally yes, but too much danger of theft.
The problem the US has is every man and his dog can get one, so every man and his dog needs one. Its like the chicken and the egg. Which came first? It is too late to regulate it to sensible people there. If I lived in the US, I'd probably have to buy a gun and learn how to use it.
But now the gun lark is out of control in the US.
Question: Is it FL where if you shoot an intruder on your own property you are free and clear?
Now you are being more sensible.
Stand your ground? There can be significant legal cost if not done lawfully. Use a firearm w/ great care and as a last resort.
Get properly trained immediately after purchase.
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Adult Supervision,
Yeah right.... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Its probably the last thing that anyone needs is a bloody yank in any sort of a supervisory role..
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Easier to keep most of the gun-toting nutters all in one place away from civilised countries, somewhere mostly surrounded by water, and tell them they fighting for freedom, and they don't need a passport as there is nothing to see out there. Oh wait.........
Oh believe me, we often thank God for the Atlantic Ocean. Pacific, too, but mostly the Atlantic. We'd love nothing more that to be our isolationist selves, running our trade empire, but what we have learned is, that when we leave Europe alone, they are given over to sprouting genocidal, meglomaniacal, homicidal dictators, and then WHAM! we're up to our elbows in alligators again, and tens of millions are dead.
What modern history has shown us is that Europe needs Adult Supervision, fairly constantly.... :chuckle:
No doubt the UK members would be speaking German and driving on the correct side of the road, if only the USA had stayed out of it both times. :laugh:
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Easier to keep most of the gun-toting nutters all in one place away from civilised countries, somewhere mostly surrounded by water, and tell them they fighting for freedom, and they don't need a passport as there is nothing to see out there. Oh wait.........
Oh believe me, we often thank God for the Atlantic Ocean. Pacific, too, but mostly the Atlantic. We'd love nothing more that to be our isolationist selves, running our trade empire, but what we have learned is, that when we leave Europe alone, they are given over to sprouting genocidal, meglomaniacal, homicidal dictators, and then WHAM! we're up to our elbows in alligators again, and tens of millions are dead.
What modern history has shown us is that Europe needs Adult Supervision, fairly constantly.... :chuckle:
No doubt the UK members would be speaking German and driving on the correct side of the road, if only the USA had stayed out of it both times. :laugh:
Sweet Lord Jesus Alabama.
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No doubt the UK members would be speaking German and driving on the correct side of the road, if only the USA had stayed out of it both times. :laugh:
Russian would be more likely.
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Yeah right.... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Its probably the last thing that anyone needs is a bloody yank in any sort of a supervisory role..
That sort of twaddle is the luxury of those who haven't had a wolf at the door in several decades....
Sweet Lord Jesus Alabama.
Get used to saying that. After the Brexit, when you realize how :censored: ed you are, we *might* take pity on the mother country let you into NAFTA, along with our two wholly-owned subsidiaries, Mexico, and Canada (aka "Mexico With Snow"). We don't really like Mexico, but they work hard and they know where to score the best weed. So you will have to carry Mexico's bags during your rookie season, but after that we're sure you'll settle in.
On the plus side, you won't have to stand idly by, cowed by PC elites, while your kids get raped by Sand People. No worries, we'll teach you how to give such folks "Exedrin Headache #357". Oh, and "dentistry". Perhaps you've heard of it? No? Well, soon enough. Baby steps, as they say.
Oh, and you're going to have to learn the Star Spangled Banner. Sorry you guys play the villains in that piece, but, well, that was your choice. Anyway, we play it before sporting events like baseball, football and NASCAR. Things you know nothing about...yet. The good news is that you already know the tune to "My Country 'Tis of Thee", you just have to learn the new lyrics.
The only downside we've discovered so far is that Taxation With Representation pretty much blows, too. And not in the 'fun' way, like with a lady.
No doubt the UK members would be speaking German and driving on the correct side of the road, if only the USA had stayed out of it both times. :laugh:
Russian would be more likely.
Naw. We wouldn't have let them have Airstrip One.
B/B
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Yeah right.... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Its probably the last thing that anyone needs is a bloody yank in any sort of a supervisory role..
That sort of twaddle is the luxury of those who haven't had a wolf at the door in several decades....
Sweet Lord Jesus Alabama.
Get used to saying that. After the Brexit, when you realize how :censored: ed you are, we *might* take pity on the mother country let you into NAFTA, along with our two wholly-owned subsidiaries, Mexico, and Canada (aka "Mexico With Snow"). We don't really like Mexico, but they work hard and they know where to score the best weed. So you will have to carry Mexico's bags during your rookie season, but after that we're sure you'll settle in.
On the plus side, you won't have to stand idly by, cowed by PC elites, while your kids get raped by Sand People. No worries, we'll teach you how to give such folks "Exedrin Headache #357". Oh, and "dentistry". Perhaps you've heard of it? No? Well, soon enough. Baby steps, as they say.
Oh, and you're going to have to learn the Star Spangled Banner. Sorry you guys play the villains in that piece, but, well, that was your choice. Anyway, we play it before sporting events like baseball, football and NASCAR. Things you know nothing about...yet. The good news is that you already know the tune to "My Country 'Tis of Thee", you just have to learn the new lyrics.
The only downside we've discovered so far is that Taxation With Representation pretty much blows, too. And not in the 'fun' way, like with a lady.
No doubt the UK members would be speaking German and driving on the correct side of the road, if only the USA had stayed out of it both times. :laugh:
Russian would be more likely.
Naw. We wouldn't have let them have Airstrip One.
B/B
:bow: :bow: :bow:
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
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Yeah right.... :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Its probably the last thing that anyone needs is a bloody yank in any sort of a supervisory role..
That sort of twaddle is the luxury of those who haven't had a wolf at the door in several decades....
Sweet Lord Jesus Alabama.
Get used to saying that. After the Brexit, when you realize how :censored: ed you are, we *might* take pity on the mother country let you into NAFTA, along with our two wholly-owned subsidiaries, Mexico, and Canada (aka "Mexico With Snow"). We don't really like Mexico, but they work hard and they know where to score the best weed. So you will have to carry Mexico's bags during your rookie season, but after that we're sure you'll settle in.
On the plus side, you won't have to stand idly by, cowed by PC elites, while your kids get raped by Sand People. No worries, we'll teach you how to give such folks "Exedrin Headache #357". Oh, and "dentistry". Perhaps you've heard of it? No? Well, soon enough. Baby steps, as they say.
Oh, and you're going to have to learn the Star Spangled Banner. Sorry you guys play the villains in that piece, but, well, that was your choice. Anyway, we play it before sporting events like baseball, football and NASCAR. Things you know nothing about...yet. The good news is that you already know the tune to "My Country 'Tis of Thee", you just have to learn the new lyrics.
The only downside we've discovered so far is that Taxation With Representation pretty much blows, too. And not in the 'fun' way, like with a lady.
No doubt the UK members would be speaking German and driving on the correct side of the road, if only the USA had stayed out of it both times. :laugh:
Russian would be more likely.
Naw. We wouldn't have let them have Airstrip One.
B/B
:bow: :bow: :bow:
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
That's a wrap. Manny, lock this thread! :party0031:
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Gun control advocate Mark Zuckerberg has 16 bodyguards just for his home. According to locals Zuckerberg has received threats both over the building of his home and from Facebook users.
I'm sure as a gun control advocate all of Zuckerberg's bodyguards are unarmed and rely on their martial arts training and other legal aids to protect Zuckerberg and his family and property. :ROFL:
Another example of one rule for the rich and totally different rules for everyone else.
http://pagesix.com/2016/02/14/mark-zuckerberg-has-16-bodyguards-at-his-home/
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Gun control advocate Mark Zuckerberg has 16 bodyguards just for his home. According to locals Zuckerberg has received threats both over the building of his home and from Facebook users.
I'm sure as a gun control advocate all of Zuckerberg's bodyguards are unarmed and rely on their martial arts training and other legal aids to protect Zuckerberg and his family and property. :ROFL:
Another example of one rule for the rich and totally different rules for everyone else.
http://pagesix.com/2016/02/14/mark-zuckerberg-has-16-bodyguards-at-his-home/
Another example of the whole point, flying over a silly old mans, arm chaired secured head.
There is virtually zero gun control at the moment, hence the need for security. If you need me to expand on that, then god help you! :'(
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We actually have superb gun control - you join the NRA and when young take firearms safe handling and shooting training and you become expert at gun control.
You then join the US Military to do your duty to God and Country and you become a fire arms master for life.
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We actually have superb gun control -
Pardon? :o
We actually have superb gun control -
Oh, that's what I thought you said. :chuckle:
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We actually have superb gun control - you join the NRA and when young take firearms safe handling and shooting training and you become expert at gun control.
You then join the US Military to do your duty to God and Country and you become a fire arms master for life.
Say that again?
Kalamazoo, Michigan: Seven shot dead in 'random' attacks
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35624558 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35624558)
We really have to help you sort out these weapons of mass destruction.
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Maybe 'superb' as used by overage man-child denizens of sports bars has a different meaning to that understood in civilisation?
Perhaps the word 'superb' is, for such folks, synonymous with 'none', 'very bad', 'ineffective'? That'd make sense in this context, yes?
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We actually have superb gun control - you join the NRA and when young take firearms safe handling and shooting training and you become expert at gun control.
You then join the US Military to do your duty to God and Country and you become a fire arms master for life.
:ROFL: since when has GOD given duties to the US??
Cuffy, as much as I respect you and most of your posts, this one is absolutely ludicrous..
:ROFL:
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We actually have superb gun control - you join the NRA and when young take firearms safe handling and shooting training and you become expert at gun control.
You then join the US Military to do your duty to God and Country and you become a fire arms master for life.
:ROFL: since when has GOD given duties to the US??
Cuffy, as much as I respect you and most of your posts, this one is absolutely ludicrous..
:ROFL:
You have heard of Manifest Destiny? Just expand the idea to the whole world.
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We actually have superb gun control - you join the NRA and when young take firearms safe handling and shooting training and you become expert at gun control.
You then join the US Military to do your duty to God and Country and you become a fire arms master for life.
:ROFL: since when has GOD given duties to the US??
Cuffy, as much as I respect you and most of your posts, this one is absolutely ludicrous..
:ROFL:
You have heard of Manifest Destiny? Just expand the idea to the whole world.
What if there is no God? It's actually Allah and the Muzzie's have got it right?
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We actually have superb gun control - you join the NRA and when young take firearms safe handling and shooting training and you become expert at gun control.
You then join the US Military to do your duty to God and Country and you become a fire arms master for life.
:ROFL: since when has GOD given duties to the US??
Cuffy, as much as I respect you and most of your posts, this one is absolutely ludicrous..
:ROFL:
You have heard of Manifest Destiny? Just expand the idea to the whole world.
What if there is no God? It's actually Allah and the Muzzie's have got it right?
What if there is absolutely nothing, and everyone has got it wrong??
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We actually have superb gun control - you join the NRA and when young take firearms safe handling and shooting training and you become expert at gun control.
You then join the US Military to do your duty to God and Country and you become a fire arms master for life.
:ROFL: since when has GOD given duties to the US??
Cuffy, as much as I respect you and most of your posts, this one is absolutely ludicrous..
:ROFL:
You have heard of Manifest Destiny? Just expand the idea to the whole world.
What if there is no God? It's actually Allah and the Muzzie's have got it right?
What if there is absolutely nothing, and everyone has got it wrong??
It is not a question as to whether or not there is a God. Several billion people believe there is a God.
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We actually have superb gun control - you join the NRA and when young take firearms safe handling and shooting training and you become expert at gun control.
You then join the US Military to do your duty to God and Country and you become a fire arms master for life.
:ROFL: since when has GOD given duties to the US??
Cuffy, as much as I respect you and most of your posts, this one is absolutely ludicrous..
:ROFL:
You have heard of Manifest Destiny? Just expand the idea to the whole world.
What if there is no God? It's actually Allah and the Muzzie's have got it right?
What if there is absolutely nothing, and everyone has got it wrong??
It is not a question as to whether or not there is a God. Several billion people believe there is a God.
Several billion stupid people..
How many of these are American ? :chuckle:
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We actually have superb gun control - you join the NRA and when young take firearms safe handling and shooting training and you become expert at gun control.
You then join the US Military to do your duty to God and Country and you become a fire arms master for life.
:ROFL: since when has GOD given duties to the US??
Cuffy, as much as I respect you and most of your posts, this one is absolutely ludicrous..
:ROFL:
You have heard of Manifest Destiny? Just expand the idea to the whole world.
What if there is no God? It's actually Allah and the Muzzie's have got it right?
Would still be god. It just means they were wearing the wrong gang colors...
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Is there a God? Is there a Santa Claus? Is there a Buddah? Are there patheons of Gods Greek and Roman and Hindu?
I have not seen them so it is why it is called faith.
My maker (Chaos, Mother Nature, Evolution and or "God") created Good and Evil, Light and Darkness, Strength and Weakness, Courage and Fear... these things I know as FACTS.
One fact I know is if someone evil wants to bring darkness into my life that my NRA training, my military expertise and my hand cannon conquers any fear and eliminates any evil from my immediate surroundings in a number of ways.
The evil enemies of my world will have a very bad day should they decide to target me and mine the way the radical ISIS simpatico rapefugees are targeting Europeans in their own cities and towns - It is literally beyond my comprehension how just two generations removed from WWII that all Euros could have their warrior instincts and bloodlines bred out - sort of like Afghan hounds originally bred to hunt lions that now are used to showcase fashion faggotry.
Clearly the hardened warriors opinion of most modern Euros (Except the last masculine race in greater Europe the Russians) - completely emasculated EU males that would rather surrender to the Radical Muslim Hordes than fight a.k.a. Surrender Monkeees si vous plait?
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Is there a God? Is there a Santa Claus? Is there a Buddah? Are there patheons of Gods Greek and Roman and Hindu?
I have not seen them so it is why it is called faith.
My maker (Chaos, Mother Nature, Evolution and or "God") created Good and Evil, Light and Darkness, Strength and Weakness, Courage and Fear... these things I know as FACTS.
One fact I know is if someone evil wants to bring darkness into my life that my NRA training, my military expertise and my hand cannon conquers any fear and eliminates any evil from my immediate surroundings in a number of ways.
The evil enemies of my world will have a very bad day should they decide to target me and mine the way the radical ISIS simpatico rapefugees are targeting Europeans in their own cities and towns - It is literally beyond my comprehension how just two generations removed from WWII that all Euros could have their warrior instincts and bloodlines bred out - sort of like Afghan hounds originally bred to hunt lions that now are used to showcase fashion faggotry.
Clearly the hardened warriors opinion of most modern Euros (Except the last masculine race in greater Europe the Russians) - completely emasculated EU males that would rather surrender to the Radical Muslim Hordes than fight a.k.a. Surrender Monkeees si vous plait?
They call it progress...In 20-60 years there will definitely be a reckoning for low birth rate and lax immigration policies.
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^^^ A new Pan Europa Caliphate.
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Is there a God? Is there a Santa Claus? Is there a Buddah? Are there patheons of Gods Greek and Roman and Hindu?
I have not seen them so it is why it is called faith.
My maker (Chaos, Mother Nature, Evolution and or "God") created Good and Evil, Light and Darkness, Strength and Weakness, Courage and Fear... these things I know as FACTS.
One fact I know is if someone evil wants to bring darkness into my life that my NRA training, my military expertise and my hand cannon conquers any fear and eliminates any evil from my immediate surroundings in a number of ways.
The evil enemies of my world will have a very bad day should they decide to target me and mine the way the radical ISIS simpatico rapefugees are targeting Europeans in their own cities and towns - It is literally beyond my comprehension how just two generations removed from WWII that all Euros could have their warrior instincts and bloodlines bred out - sort of like Afghan hounds originally bred to hunt lions that now are used to showcase fashion faggotry.
Clearly the hardened warriors opinion of most modern Euros (Except the last masculine race in greater Europe the Russians) - completely emasculated EU males that would rather surrender to the Radical Muslim Hordes than fight a.k.a. Surrender Monkeees si vous plait?
They call it progress...In 20-60 years there will definitely be a reckoning for low birth rate and lax immigration policies.
Boris, great to see you posting. How's it going?
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Is there a God? Is there a Santa Claus? Is there a Buddah? Are there patheons of Gods Greek and Roman and Hindu?
I have not seen them so it is why it is called faith.
My maker (Chaos, Mother Nature, Evolution and or "God") created Good and Evil, Light and Darkness, Strength and Weakness, Courage and Fear... these things I know as FACTS.
One fact I know is if someone evil wants to bring darkness into my life that my NRA training, my military expertise and my hand cannon conquers any fear and eliminates any evil from my immediate surroundings in a number of ways.
The evil enemies of my world will have a very bad day should they decide to target me and mine the way the radical ISIS simpatico rapefugees are targeting Europeans in their own cities and towns - It is literally beyond my comprehension how just two generations removed from WWII that all Euros could have their warrior instincts and bloodlines bred out - sort of like Afghan hounds originally bred to hunt lions that now are used to showcase fashion faggotry.
Clearly the hardened warriors opinion of most modern Euros (Except the last masculine race in greater Europe the Russians) - completely emasculated EU males that would rather surrender to the Radical Muslim Hordes than fight a.k.a. Surrender Monkeees si vous plait?
They call it progress...In 20-60 years there will definitely be a reckoning for low birth rate and lax immigration policies.
Boris, great to see you posting. How's it going?
Hey, WC. Good. My sons are breeding like rabbits. I have four grand-kids now so my priorities are different now. Not much time available for forums. Just not the same when things settle in. Tanya is pretty much Americanized as she is going to get. How are you?
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Is there a God? Is there a Santa Claus? Is there a Buddah? Are there patheons of Gods Greek and Roman and Hindu?
I have not seen them so it is why it is called faith.
My maker (Chaos, Mother Nature, Evolution and or "God") created Good and Evil, Light and Darkness, Strength and Weakness, Courage and Fear... these things I know as FACTS.
One fact I know is if someone evil wants to bring darkness into my life that my NRA training, my military expertise and my hand cannon conquers any fear and eliminates any evil from my immediate surroundings in a number of ways.
The evil enemies of my world will have a very bad day should they decide to target me and mine the way the radical ISIS simpatico rapefugees are targeting Europeans in their own cities and towns - It is literally beyond my comprehension how just two generations removed from WWII that all Euros could have their warrior instincts and bloodlines bred out - sort of like Afghan hounds originally bred to hunt lions that now are used to showcase fashion faggotry.
Clearly the hardened warriors opinion of most modern Euros (Except the last masculine race in greater Europe the Russians) - completely emasculated EU males that would rather surrender to the Radical Muslim Hordes than fight a.k.a. Surrender Monkeees si vous plait?
They call it progress...In 20-60 years there will definitely be a reckoning for low birth rate and lax immigration policies.
Boris, great to see you posting. How's it going?
Hey, WC. Good. My sons are breeding like rabbits. I have four grand-kids now so my priorities are different now. Not much time available for forums. Just not the same when things settle in. Tanya is pretty much Americanized as she is going to get. How are you?
Got married to a local lady. With a new wife came a now 5 year old daughter. Since I'm retired I get to chase after my new daughter while my wife works towards her retirement. All in all not a bad life.
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Is there a God? Is there a Santa Claus? Is there a Buddah? Are there patheons of Gods Greek and Roman and Hindu?
I have not seen them so it is why it is called faith.
My maker (Chaos, Mother Nature, Evolution and or "God") created Good and Evil, Light and Darkness, Strength and Weakness, Courage and Fear... these things I know as FACTS.
One fact I know is if someone evil wants to bring darkness into my life that my NRA training, my military expertise and my hand cannon conquers any fear and eliminates any evil from my immediate surroundings in a number of ways.
The evil enemies of my world will have a very bad day should they decide to target me and mine the way the radical ISIS simpatico rapefugees are targeting Europeans in their own cities and towns - It is literally beyond my comprehension how just two generations removed from WWII that all Euros could have their warrior instincts and bloodlines bred out - sort of like Afghan hounds originally bred to hunt lions that now are used to showcase fashion faggotry.
Clearly the hardened warriors opinion of most modern Euros (Except the last masculine race in greater Europe the Russians) - completely emasculated EU males that would rather surrender to the Radical Muslim Hordes than fight a.k.a. Surrender Monkeees si vous plait?
They call it progress...In 20-60 years there will definitely be a reckoning for low birth rate and lax immigration policies.
Boris, great to see you posting. How's it going?
Hey, WC. Good. My sons are breeding like rabbits. I have four grand-kids now so my priorities are different now. Not much time available for forums. Just not the same when things settle in. Tanya is pretty much Americanized as she is going to get. How are you?
Got married to a local lady. With a new wife came a now 5 year old daughter. Since I'm retired I get to chase after my new daughter while my wife works towards her retirement. All in all not a bad life.
WC, that's great! I know having little ones around always puts a kick in your step. I'm happy for you!
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It’s just like groundhog day
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35666108
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It’s just like groundhog day
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35666108
Just think how bad it might have been if the US didn't already have great gun control laws and weapons training?
Not sure about that? Ask Cufflinks, he was telling us about how good these things were in the USA.
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It’s just like groundhog day
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35666108
Just think how bad it might have been if the US didn't already have great gun control laws and weapons training?
Not sure about that? Ask Cufflinks, he was telling us about how good these things were in the USA.
The answer is simple, as this happened in a lawnmower factory, all lawnmowers should be fitted with 20mm cannon then this sort of thing would never happen.
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It’s just like groundhog day
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35666108
Just think how bad it might have been if the US didn't already have great gun control laws and weapons training?
Not sure about that? Ask Cufflinks, he was telling us about how good these things were in the USA.
The answer is simple, as this happened in a lawnmower factory, all lawnmowers should be fitted with 20mm cannon then this sort of thing would never happen.
Ah, so simple. Why did nobody think of it before?
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It’s just like groundhog day
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35666108
Just think how bad it might have been if the US didn't already have great gun control laws and weapons training?
Not sure about that? Ask Cufflinks, he was telling us about how good these things were in the USA.
The answer is simple, as this happened in a lawnmower factory, all lawnmowers should be fitted with 20mm cannon then this sort of thing would never happen.
Ah, so simple. Why did nobody think of it before?
Not only would the perp be dead after he only killed a few, the lawn outside the building would look nice too (apart from the blood stains and body parts).
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Not only would the perp be dead after he only killed a few, the lawn outside the building would look nice too (apart from the blood stains and body parts).
:chuckle:
It amazes that the John Wayne impersonators on this forum actually think they can prevent this from happening to themselves. Yes, maybe. But, more likely than not; no.
Take last week's incident; 2 of the 6 victims (a man and his son) were out at a car dealership looking at cars. Not a thing they could have done to prevent their senseless, tragic demise even in the idiotic, paranoid case they were packing. The others had no chance either.
Let's face it, it's not about the 2nd amendment (or should I say its misinterpretation), it's all about money. Last I remember the 4th amendment died in peace with nary a whisper of protest.
Now let's take a brief glimpse at the suspect's background.
"Several law enforcement vehicles had surrounded the suspect's home in a trailer park in Newton". I don't know about you, but I'm shocked. (:)
I'm not here to argue one way or the other. I had never owned a gun when I lived in America and never understood the fascination as well. I understand the need to protect one's family, but this goes way beyond that argument. One thing is for certain, you can now add mass shootings to the saying "as American as mom, apple pie, and baseball".
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If I was living in the US I would have a full armoury just like you see in the movies :laugh:
No bugger would be robbing me and I would definitely shoot first and ask questions later! probably after I shot them I would stab myself a little and say it was self defence tiphat
I would also carry a Pump action shot gun, a magnum and a whole host of other goodies in my car, never can be sure what will happen on a Sunday drive.. :laugh:
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If I was living in the US I would have a full armoury just like you see in the movies :laugh:
No bugger would be robbing me and I would definitely shoot first and ask questions later! probably after I shot them I would stab myself a little and say it was self defence tiphat
I would also carry a Pump action shot gun, a magnum and a whole host of other goodies in my car, never can be sure what will happen on a Sunday drive.. :laugh:
You could also be very dead before you got to your car..... tiphat
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Not only would the perp be dead after he only killed a few, the lawn outside the building would look nice too (apart from the blood stains and body parts).
:chuckle:
It amazes that the John Wayne impersonators on this forum actually think they can prevent this from happening to themselves. Yes, maybe. But, more likely than not; no.
Take last week's incident; 2 of the 6 victims (a man and his son) were out at a car dealership looking at cars. Not a thing they could have done to prevent their senseless, tragic demise even in the idiotic, paranoid case they were packing. The others had no chance either.
Let's face it, it's not about the 2nd amendment (or should I say its misinterpretation), it's all about money. Last I remember the 4th amendment died in peace with nary a whisper of protest.
Now let's take a brief glimpse at the suspect's background.
"Several law enforcement vehicles had surrounded the suspect's home in a trailer park in Newton". I don't know about you, but I'm shocked. (:)
I'm not here to argue one way or the other. I had never owned a gun when I lived in America and never understood the fascination as well. I understand the need to protect one's family, but this goes way beyond that argument. One thing is for certain, you can now add mass shootings to the saying "as American as mom, apple pie, and baseball".
Never a truer word spoken..
Though, I harbour many different thoughts about gun ownership, and am "Au Fait" with handling them..
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If I was living in the US I would have a full armoury just like you see in the movies :laugh:
No bugger would be robbing me and I would definitely shoot first and ask questions later! probably after I shot them I would stab myself a little and say it was self defence tiphat
I would also carry a Pump action shot gun, a magnum and a whole host of other goodies in my car, never can be sure what will happen on a Sunday drive.. :laugh:
You could also be very dead before you got to your car..... tiphat
My car would be garaged in the house, would be bombe proof and have a 25 mm cannon on the roof.. :smoking:
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If I was living in the US I would have a full armoury just like you see in the movies :laugh:
No bugger would be robbing me and I would definitely shoot first and ask questions later! probably after I shot them I would stab myself a little and say it was self defence tiphat
I would also carry a Pump action shot gun, a magnum and a whole host of other goodies in my car, never can be sure what will happen on a Sunday drive.. :laugh:
You could also be very dead before you got to your car..... tiphat
My car would be garaged in the house, would be bombe proof and have a 25 mm cannon on the roof.. :smoking:
And a T90 in the garden... :thumbsup:
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If I was living in the US I would have a full armoury just like you see in the movies :laugh:
No bugger would be robbing me and I would definitely shoot first and ask questions later! probably after I shot them I would stab myself a little and say it was self defence tiphat
I would also carry a Pump action shot gun, a magnum and a whole host of other goodies in my car, never can be sure what will happen on a Sunday drive.. :laugh:
You could also be very dead before you got to your car..... tiphat
My car would be garaged in the house, would be bombe proof and have a 25 mm cannon on the roof.. :smoking:
And a T90 in the garden... :thumbsup:
Wellcome to the USA :laugh:
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If I was living in the US I would have a full armoury just like you see in the movies :laugh:
No bugger would be robbing me and I would definitely shoot first and ask questions later! probably after I shot them I would stab myself a little and say it was self defence tiphat
I would also carry a Pump action shot gun, a magnum and a whole host of other goodies in my car, never can be sure what will happen on a Sunday drive.. :laugh:
You could also be very dead before you got to your car..... tiphat
My car would be garaged in the house, would be bombe proof and have a 25 mm cannon on the roof.. :smoking:
And a T90 in the garden... :thumbsup:
Wellcome to the USA :laugh:
Keep off the lawn... :ROFL: :ROFL:
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If I was living in the US I would have a full armoury just like you see in the movies :laugh:
No bugger would be robbing me and I would definitely shoot first and ask questions later! probably after I shot them I would stab myself a little and say it was self defence tiphat
I would also carry a Pump action shot gun, a magnum and a whole host of other goodies in my car, never can be sure what will happen on a Sunday drive.. :laugh:
Steveboy since Russia has a murder rate about 2.2 times higher than the US and Putin is now allowing Russians (don't know if it applies to non Russians) to buy handguns and concealed carry them are you planning on buying and carrying a gun?
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If I was living in the US I would have a full armoury just like you see in the movies :laugh:
No bugger would be robbing me and I would definitely shoot first and ask questions later! probably after I shot them I would stab myself a little and say it was self defence tiphat
I would also carry a Pump action shot gun, a magnum and a whole host of other goodies in my car, never can be sure what will happen on a Sunday drive.. :laugh:
Steveboy since Russia has a murder rate about 2.2 times higher than the US and Putin is now allowing Russians (don't know if it applies to non Russians) to buy handguns and concealed carry them are you planning on buying and carrying a gun?
No not at the moment! I feel very safe walking around late at night. Often I have been a little legless and fallen into some gypsy cab to wake up outside home. I think in about 13 years in and about Russia I have always felt pretty safe.
Of course that could change who knows. If the cops start shooting kids and things I will have to re address the situation :chuckle:
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Yeah, funny thing that. I never, ever, had worries about coming to harm from the police when visiting Russia, or anywhere else in Eastern Europe.
There's only one country in the world where a couple of police walked me back to my apartment on a cold, snowy night because the streets could be dangerous. Those same police refused a tip, although they did let me buy us each a schwarma from the little kiosk built into my building.
When stopped by police in Eastern Europe one never gets the feeling that one is entering into an encounter with a non-negligible risk to one's personal safety. That's not the case in the USA.
There's actually reason to doubt the comparative figures that you drag up from time to time. Go have a look on Google and avoid the top result of your search. ;)
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Steveboy since Russia has a murder rate about 2.2 times higher than the US and Putin is now allowing Russians (don't know if it applies to non Russians) to buy handguns and concealed carry them are you planning on buying and carrying a gun?
Russia's murder rate is much, much lower than USA.
But keep drinking the cool-aid, I will keep debunking it. But this time, look it up yourself in this very thread a few pages back.
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If I was living in the US I would have a full armoury just like you see in the movies :laugh:
No bugger would be robbing me and I would definitely shoot first and ask questions later! probably after I shot them I would stab myself a little and say it was self defence tiphat
I would also carry a Pump action shot gun, a magnum and a whole host of other goodies in my car, never can be sure what will happen on a Sunday drive.. :laugh:
Steveboy since Russia has a murder rate about 2.2 times higher than the US and Putin is now allowing Russians (don't know if it applies to non Russians) to buy handguns and concealed carry them are you planning on buying and carrying a gun?
Could you provide evidence that the Russian murder rate is that much higher than the US, as I find this hard to believe...
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There's actually reason to doubt the comparative figures that you drag up from time to time. Go have a look on Google and avoid the top result of your search. ;)
I agree that the figures regarding murders in Russia could be incorrect. After all much of the Russian crime data comes from Russian government sources and could be deliberately misrepresented with low figures.
After all with all the murders in Russia when does the Russian media ever report on murders in Russia? The Russian media will report on the murders of prominent Russians at home and abroad but the everyday murders that must surely go on to reach totals exceeding 12,000 deaths annually don't seem to appear in the English language Russian media. Maybe they appear in the Russian language media?
The Kremlin owned media has no problems reporting on murders in the US but little about the everyday murders in Russia. Why is that? Perhaps because it would make Putin and the rest of the Russian government look bad? If this is true than it would make sense that official Russian government crime stats are deliberately keep low.
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The Kremlin owned media has no problems reporting on murders in the US but little about the everyday murders in Russia. Why is that? Perhaps because it would make Putin and the rest of the Russian government look bad? If this is true than it would make sense that official Russian government crime stats are deliberately keep low.
Its obvious you didn't visit Russia in recent years.
One feels quite safe on the streets, unlike the USA where you have to fear even the law enforcement officers supposedly there to protect you from bodily harm by nefarious individuals.
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If I was living in the US I would have a full armoury just like you see in the movies :laugh:
No bugger would be robbing me and I would definitely shoot first and ask questions later! probably after I shot them I would stab myself a little and say it was self defence tiphat
I would also carry a Pump action shot gun, a magnum and a whole host of other goodies in my car, never can be sure what will happen on a Sunday drive.. :laugh:
Steveboy since Russia has a murder rate about 2.2 times higher than the US and Putin is now allowing Russians (don't know if it applies to non Russians) to buy handguns and concealed carry them are you planning on buying and carrying a gun?
Could you provide evidence that the Russian murder rate is that much higher than the US, as I find this hard to believe...
Gipsey I know I'm acknowledged by many as a master researcher but the figures are simple enough to find. This is a general estimate of the murder rates from most countries. Source is credited as United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime.
The one thing it doesn't answer is what method is used in the killings. Russia doesn't have nearly the amount of guns as the US, so are most Russian murders by gun or are the victims beaten to death or some other even more gruesome method?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Office_on_Drugs_and_Crime
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Steveboy since Russia has a murder rate about 2.2 times higher than the US and Putin is now allowing Russians (don't know if it applies to non Russians) to buy handguns and concealed carry them are you planning on buying and carrying a gun?
Russia's murder rate is much, much lower than USA.
Mark, the sources I'm referencing are official Russian government sources. The Russian government is saying they have a much higher murder rate than the US. This means you aren't able to accept reality, you're delusional.
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Steveboy since Russia has a murder rate about 2.2 times higher than the US and Putin is now allowing Russians (don't know if it applies to non Russians) to buy handguns and concealed carry them are you planning on buying and carrying a gun?
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First of all, Putin has not passed any law where you can buy a handgun and carry it legally. Yes, I know of the addendum you're referring to. You have your reality about Russia, and then there is the actual reality that exists here. At present, you can legally buy a gun that shoots rubber bullets and some can convert that into a real gun, but the authorities are even cracking down on that and making it much more complicated to buy those types of guns.
The so-called law you're referring to has more to do with rifles, and no, no one is walking around Russia carrying a rifle. It's actually easier for a foreigner to bring in guns than a Russian to legally own a gun.
It's even against the law to possess certain knives (e.g. bayonets) in your home.
Here is something to chew on. Take extra care to look at violent crimes with guns. While you're at it look at rapes, robberies and total crimes.
If you knew anything about Russia, and you don't, you'd know that many of the murders are contract hits or a couple of drunks stabbing each other in the kitchen after drinking too much samogon and arguing about whether Canadians are douchebags or not ;D. Thus, the murder with intention rate is a driving force behind why the overall murder rate is statistically higher in Russia. Clearly a perfect example of how stats don't tell the whole picture.
No one has to worry about getting shot while watching a movie, studying at school, working, looking at cars, eating at a restaurant, or just being a douche; so even you would be safe here.
Actually, overall, the US scores worse than Russia in more categories and is higher overall even when you factor in piracy, which is much higher in Russia.
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Russia/United-States/Crime
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Steveboy since Russia has a murder rate about 2.2 times higher than the US and Putin is now allowing Russians (don't know if it applies to non Russians) to buy handguns and concealed carry them are you planning on buying and carrying a gun?
(:)
First of all, Putin has not passed any law where you can buy a handgun and carry it legally. Yes, I know of the addendum you're referring to. You have your reality about Russia, and then there is the actual reality that exists here. At present, you can legally buy a gun that shoots rubber bullets and some can convert that into a real gun, but the authorities are even cracking down on that and making it much more complicated to buy those types of guns.
The so-called law you're referring to has more to do with rifles, and no, no one is walking around Russia carrying a rifle. It's actually easier for a foreigner to bring in guns than a Russian to legally own a gun.
It's even against the law to possess certain knives (e.g. bayonets) in your home.
Here is something to chew on. Take extra care to look at violent crimes with guns. While you're at it look at rapes, robberies and total crimes.
If you knew anything about Russia, and you don't, you'd know that many of the murders are contract hits or a couple of drunks stabbing each other in the kitchen after drinking too much samogon and arguing about whether Canadians are douchebags or not ;D. Thus, the murder with intention rate is a driving force behind why the overall murder rate is statistically higher in Russia. Clearly a perfect example of how stats don't tell the whole picture.
No one has to worry about getting shot while watching a movie, studying at school, working, looking at cars, eating at a restaurant, or just being a douche; so even you would be safe here.
Actually, overall, the US scores lower than Russia in more categories and is higher overall even when you factor in piracy, which is much higher in Russia.
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Russia/United-States/Crime
Danchik some of the most recent figures for murder put the number at over 12,000 murders annually and this is one of the lower figures in the last decade. Are you seriously saying that most of those 12,000 murders were contract killings? Or the result of bar room brawls?
Even more terrifying would be the stats from the early part of the century when the number of murders in Russia was over 40,000 annually. According to you that would mean tens of thousands of contract murders and bar room brawls annually. That's absurd.
Edit: Danchik my source for the new Russian gun laws is RT. Since RT is a Kremlin owned and operated media outlet that means the source is the same as the people who are actually writing the gun laws. I'd think they know a little bit more about the laws of Russia than an expat who has trouble reading and speaking Russian.
https://www.rt.com/news/206703-russia-guns-self-defense/
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I lived in Transnistria for about 18 months! You know the place where they produce nuclear bombs in back street cafes, the Maffia are running everything you do, its normal to walk about at night time with a kalashnikov, kidnappings are common, the usual things that happen in the "Black hole of Europe" :ROFL:
I didn't feel the need for a gun there any time of the day or night! ???
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The Kremlin owned media has no problems reporting on murders in the US but little about the everyday murders in Russia. Why is that? Perhaps because it would make Putin and the rest of the Russian government look bad? If this is true than it would make sense that official Russian government crime stats are deliberately keep low.
Its obvious you didn't visit Russia in recent years.
Or ever?
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Steveboy since Russia has a murder rate about 2.2 times higher than the US and Putin is now allowing Russians (don't know if it applies to non Russians) to buy handguns and concealed carry them are you planning on buying and carrying a gun?
Russia's murder rate is much, much lower than USA.
Mark, the sources I'm referencing are official Russian government sources. The Russian government is saying they have a much higher murder rate than the US. This means you aren't able to accept reality, you're delusional.
Or they lie, as you suggested. But then propping up the numbers so they will have more budget allocated to the police-force for instance.
I did the math and unless you say 1+1=3 , they dont add up. Russia's murder rate is much lower than the USA.
Do you even know the murder rate of the USA? you can find 2015's figures right in this thread.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Office_on_Drugs_and_Crime
Ooohrrrr, the raw data calculated by myself.
Quoting your own source:
Russia 9.0
United States: 5 (Should be 9.9 according to the official numbers on Wikipedia quoting gov't websites)
Click the original post for how i got those numbers.
Estonia : 7 (but we know this should be 4)
United States: 5 (Should be 9.9 according to the official numbers on Wikipedia quoting gov't websites)
Russia : 15 (I could not find the raw data to substantiate this claim).
Netherlands : 0.93 (137 murders in 2015, on 16,908,443 people = 0.80 according to my data (Again wikipedia))
That makes 3 known bads , 1 unknown. This website is bullshit.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Office_on_Drugs_and_Crime
Ooohrrrr, the raw data calculated by myself.
Quoting your own source:
Russia 9.0
United States: 5 (Should be 9.9 according to the official numbers on Wikipedia quoting gov't websites)
Click the original post for how i got those numbers.
Estonia : 7 (but we know this should be 4)
United States: 5 (Should be 9.9 according to the official numbers on Wikipedia quoting gov't websites)
Russia : 15 (I could not find the raw data to substantiate this claim).
Netherlands : 0.93 (137 murders in 2015, on 16,908,443 people = 0.80 according to my data (Again wikipedia))
That makes 3 known bads , 1 unknown. This website is bullshit.
According to the FBI and the UN the murder rate in the US is about 4.6, I've no idea where you're getting your numbers from. None of the sources I've check so far give a rate of 9.9. Why is it so hard to believe that the murder rate in the US is lower than Russia? I have to agree with Westy that western (and Russian) media focus more on crime in America than on crime in Russia, which simply gives the impression of more murder in America.
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According to the FBI and the UN the murder rate in the US is about 4.6, I've no idea where you're getting your numbers from. None of the sources I've check so far give a rate of 9.9. Why is it so hard to believe that the murder rate in the US is lower than Russia? I have to agree with Westy that western (and Russian) media focus more on crime in America than on crime in Russia, which simply gives the impression of more murder in America.
The fbi is lying then. Murder rate is calculus and very easy to do yourself.
total population, total number of murders are all you need. I got those from news paper articles quoting government sources.
Like i said: click the original post for the complete calculations.
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I lived in Transnistria for about 18 months! You know the place where they produce nuclear bombs in back street cafes, the Maffia are running everything you do, its normal to walk about at night time with a kalashnikov, kidnappings are common, the usual things that happen in the "Black hole of Europe" :ROFL:
I didn't feel the need for a gun there any time of the day or night! ???
Steveboy you might not have felt the need to carry a gun however from your description of Transnistria many others in the area probably did. :hidechair:
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According to the FBI and the UN the murder rate in the US is about 4.6, I've no idea where you're getting your numbers from. None of the sources I've check so far give a rate of 9.9. Why is it so hard to believe that the murder rate in the US is lower than Russia? I have to agree with Westy that western (and Russian) media focus more on crime in America than on crime in Russia, which simply gives the impression of more murder in America.
The fbi is lying then. Murder rate is calculus and very easy to do yourself.
total population, total number of murders are all you need. I got those from news paper articles quoting government sources.
Like i said: click the original post for the complete calculations.
You're wrong. I did the math and got the same result as the FBI and UN. What government sources are you using?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Office_on_Drugs_and_Crime
Ooohrrrr, the raw data calculated by myself.
Quoting your own source:
Russia 9.0
United States: 5 (Should be 9.9 according to the official numbers on Wikipedia quoting gov't websites)
Click the original post for how i got those numbers.
Estonia : 7 (but we know this should be 4)
United States: 5 (Should be 9.9 according to the official numbers on Wikipedia quoting gov't websites)
Russia : 15 (I could not find the raw data to substantiate this claim).
Netherlands : 0.93 (137 murders in 2015, on 16,908,443 people = 0.80 according to my data (Again wikipedia))
That makes 3 known bads , 1 unknown. This website is bullshit.
Some people say that Wikipedia is not reliable, unless of course it favors their version of events, and then suddenly it magically becomes reliable. :laugh:
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I lived in Transnistria for about 18 months! You know the place where they produce nuclear bombs in back street cafes, the Maffia are running everything you do, its normal to walk about at night time with a kalashnikov, kidnappings are common, the usual things that happen in the "Black hole of Europe" :ROFL:
I didn't feel the need for a gun there any time of the day or night! ???
Steveboy you might not have felt the need to carry a gun however from your description of Transnistria many others in the area probably did. :hidechair:
Back in the day I was knocking about with a lass who was living (probably squatting) in Hulme Flats in M/cr, not a very nice place and with M/cr most likely still the gun capital of the UK you had to be on your guard. I remember skirting around the nether zone to get there without being seen, was winter ISTR, must have been since late summer nights in UK are quite bright, no way would I have got about then.
You just had to avoid any confrontation with anybody, but basically one took the risks because of the shag in the end.
This was Joy Division time, or just after if you've read your 'House of Dolls' (doubt anyone has), in more ways than one if you think about it.
I still have dreams about it, keeping low, out of the way in the semi-dark, served me well I think cos I seem to blend in everywhere, even in Russia and Germany folks in the street ask me directions and stuff....
Hulme Flats gone now I think, as have most city flats like Quarry Hill in Leeds, just full of smack heads and dick brains.
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According to the FBI and the UN the murder rate in the US is about 4.6, I've no idea where you're getting your numbers from. None of the sources I've check so far give a rate of 9.9. Why is it so hard to believe that the murder rate in the US is lower than Russia? I have to agree with Westy that western (and Russian) media focus more on crime in America than on crime in Russia, which simply gives the impression of more murder in America.
The fbi is lying then. Murder rate is calculus and very easy to do yourself.
total population, total number of murders are all you need. I got those from news paper articles quoting government sources.
Like i said: click the original post for the complete calculations.
You're wrong. I did the math and got the same result as the FBI and UN. What government sources are you using?
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You're wrong. I did the math and got the same result as the FBI and UN. What government sources are you using?
Its all there in the original post. I aint doing it again.
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According to the FBI and the UN the murder rate in the US is about 4.6, I've no idea where you're getting your numbers from. None of the sources I've check so far give a rate of 9.9. Why is it so hard to believe that the murder rate in the US is lower than Russia? I have to agree with Westy that western (and Russian) media focus more on crime in America than on crime in Russia, which simply gives the impression of more murder in America.
The fbi is lying then. Murder rate is calculus and very easy to do yourself.
total population, total number of murders are all you need. I got those from news paper articles quoting government sources.
Like i said: click the original post for the complete calculations.
You're wrong. I did the math and got the same result as the FBI and UN. What government sources are you using?
s
Only on your tiny island.
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According to the FBI and the UN the murder rate in the US is about 4.6, I've no idea where you're getting your numbers from. None of the sources I've check so far give a rate of 9.9. Why is it so hard to believe that the murder rate in the US is lower than Russia? I have to agree with Westy that western (and Russian) media focus more on crime in America than on crime in Russia, which simply gives the impression of more murder in America.
The fbi is lying then. Murder rate is calculus and very easy to do yourself.
total population, total number of murders are all you need. I got those from news paper articles quoting government sources.
Like i said: click the original post for the complete calculations.
You're wrong. I did the math and got the same result as the FBI and UN. What government sources are you using?
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Only on your tiny island.
Maybe not *Cock!
The only difference is that math is preferred in the U.S. and Canada, and maths is preferred in the U.K., Australia, and most other English-speaking areas of the world.
*Term of endearment in Lancashire.
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You're wrong. I did the math and got the same result as the FBI and UN. What government sources are you using?
Its all there in the original post. I aint doing it again.
In 2012 there were approximately 14800 murders in the US and a population of approximately 310,000,000
14800/310,000,000 x 100,000 = 4.77
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Nuff said...
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Natural selection. Let the hill Billy half wits shoot each other to death over the last goverment subsidised super size 4 gallon soda.
Might be a few less chumps embarrassing the rest of the English speaking world across the FSU.
Reminds me, there was some BIG news regarding Rotherham today, where's Anteros?
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Natural selection. Let the hill Billy half wits shoot each other to death over the last goverment subsidised super size 4 gallon soda.
Might be a few less chumps embarrassing the rest of the English speaking world across the FSU.
Reminds me, there was some BIG news regarding Rotherham today, where's Anteros?
Unlike the Brits who come here and get drunk, start fights and piss on the statues?
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Natural selection. Let the hill Billy half wits shoot each other to death over the last goverment subsidised super size 4 gallon soda.
Might be a few less chumps embarrassing the rest of the English speaking world across the FSU.
Reminds me, there was some BIG news regarding Rotherham today, where's Anteros?
Unlike the Brits who come here and get drunk, start fights and piss on the statues?
Here being Russia? That surprises me, what with lack of flights and Visa issues for the typical stag do.
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Natural selection. Let the hill Billy half wits shoot each other to death over the last goverment subsidised super size 4 gallon soda.
Might be a few less chumps embarrassing the rest of the English speaking world across the FSU.
Reminds me, there was some BIG news regarding Rotherham today, where's Anteros?
Unlike the Brits who come here and get drunk, start fights and piss on the statues?
Here being Russia? That surprises me, what with lack of flights and Visa issues for the typical stag do.
Yes, not stag but English teachers.
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Natural selection. Let the hill Billy half wits shoot each other to death over the last goverment subsidised super size 4 gallon soda.
Might be a few less chumps embarrassing the rest of the English speaking world across the FSU.
Reminds me, there was some BIG news regarding Rotherham today, where's Anteros?
Unlike the Brits who come here and get drunk, start fights and piss on the statues?
Here being Russia? That surprises me, what with lack of flights and Visa issues for the typical stag do.
Yes, not stag but English teachers.
So you've seen groups upon groups of "English teachers" smashing the place up?
No locals or police with anything to say about that? Or are they also too drunk and pissing everywhere to notice.
Seriously, what planet are you on pops?
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Natural selection. Let the hill Billy half wits shoot each other to death over the last goverment subsidised super size 4 gallon soda.
Might be a few less chumps embarrassing the rest of the English speaking world across the FSU.
Reminds me, there was some BIG news regarding Rotherham today, where's Anteros?
Unlike the Brits who come here and get drunk, start fights and piss on the statues?
Here being Russia? That surprises me, what with lack of flights and Visa issues for the typical stag do.
Yes, not stag but English teachers.
So you've seen groups upon groups of "English teachers" smashing the place up?
No locals or police with anything to say about that? Or are they also too drunk and pissing everywhere to notice.
Seriously, what planet are you on pops?
Did I say teachers? My mistake. It was your worthless, obsolete royals pissing on everything.
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Natural selection. Let the hill Billy half wits shoot each other to death over the last goverment subsidised super size 4 gallon soda.
Might be a few less chumps embarrassing the rest of the English speaking world across the FSU.
Reminds me, there was some BIG news regarding Rotherham today, where's Anteros?
Unlike the Brits who come here and get drunk, start fights and piss on the statues?
Here being Russia? That surprises me, what with lack of flights and Visa issues for the typical stag do.
Yes, not stag but English teachers.
So you've seen groups upon groups of "English teachers" smashing the place up?
No locals or police with anything to say about that? Or are they also too drunk and pissing everywhere to notice.
Seriously, what planet are you on pops?
Did I say teachers? My mistake. It was your worthless, obsolete royals pissing on everything.
Attaboy'.
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http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Murder-rate
Murder rate of countries / 100.000 citizens:
Estonia : 7 (but we know this should be 4)
How do we know it should be 4? Your source says it's 7, actually 7.1. If you have reputable sources that say Estonia's murder rate should be 4, why not post them?
United States: 5 (Should be 9.9 according to the official numbers on Wikipedia quoting gov't websites)
According to Wikipedia, the most recent murder rate for the US is 3.8 for 2013. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate)
Russia : 15 (I could not find the raw data to substantiate this claim).
Again Wikipedia says 9.0 for 2013. Same link as above.
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Jesus!!!
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Here's a real come to Jesus fact Ste.
Alcohol kills approximately 88,000 each year in the US. (http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/alcohol-use.htm)
Smoking kills more than 480,000 deaths per year in the United States, including nearly 42,000 deaths resulting from secondhand smoke exposure. (http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/index.htm#toll)
Ste, did you want a ciggie with your beer?
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Natural selection. Let the hill Billy half wits shoot each other to death over the last goverment subsidised super size 4 gallon soda.
Might be a few less chumps embarrassing the rest of the English speaking world across the FSU.
Reminds me, there was some BIG news regarding Rotherham today, where's Anteros?
In my lifetime I've seen more low-class idiot English soccer fans and stag parties overseas embarrassing themselves and pissing off the locals than Americans doing anything similar BY FAR!!!!!
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You're wrong. I did the math and got the same result as the FBI and UN. What government sources are you using?
Its all there in the original post. I aint doing it again.
In 2012 there were approximately 14800 murders in the US and a population of approximately 310,000,000
14800/310,000,000 x 100,000 = 4.77
More significant is that we do not know how many lives are saved and how many crimes never happen due to some states having lenient carry laws and states like California (very high crime) having alleged gun control. I say alleged because all the means is that the criminals have a hay day.
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Whatever the pro-gun posters can offer it's always reassuring to know that them "boomsticks" are in sane hands :rolleye0009:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/man-tried-to-shoot-wife-as-she-breastfed-because-he-was-jealous-of-baby-a6887606.html
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Natural selection. Let the hill Billy half wits shoot each other to death over the last goverment subsidised super size 4 gallon soda.
Might be a few less chumps embarrassing the rest of the English speaking world across the FSU.
Reminds me, there was some BIG news regarding Rotherham today, where's Anteros?
In my lifetime I've seen more low-class idiot English soccer fans and stag parties overseas embarrassing themselves and pissing off the locals than Americans doing anything similar BY FAR!!!!!
If half of us Brits have passports, that's about 5 times as many as you septic tanks. That figures.
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Natural selection. Let the hill Billy half wits shoot each other to death over the last goverment subsidised super size 4 gallon soda.
Might be a few less chumps embarrassing the rest of the English speaking world across the FSU.
Reminds me, there was some BIG news regarding Rotherham today, where's Anteros?
In my lifetime I've seen more low-class idiot English soccer fans and stag parties overseas embarrassing themselves and pissing off the locals than Americans doing anything similar BY FAR!!!!!
If half of us Brits have passports, that's about 5 times as many as you septic tanks. That figures.
I've no idea why you Brits are so hung up over passports, do you think it's some kind of insult? Over 125 million Americans have passports, roughly double the population of your whole island.
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Natural selection. Let the hill Billy half wits shoot each other to death over the last goverment subsidised super size 4 gallon soda.
Might be a few less chumps embarrassing the rest of the English speaking world across the FSU.
Reminds me, there was some BIG news regarding Rotherham today, where's Anteros?
In my lifetime I've seen more low-class idiot English soccer fans and stag parties overseas embarrassing themselves and pissing off the locals than Americans doing anything similar BY FAR!!!!!
If half of us Brits have passports, that's about 5 times as many as you septic tanks. That figures.
I've no idea why you Brits are so hung up over passports, do you think it's some kind of insult? Over 125 million Americans have passports, roughly double the population of your whole island.
Bigger is better, of course!
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There goes a bloke who doesn't understand numbers! (mhr7 that is)
As a proportion of the population international travel is much less common for USAian people than over in civilisation. The proportion of the population that has a passport is a good proxy for international travel for obvious reasons.
International travel is a very good proxy for exposure to different cultures.
Thus we know that most USAian people are not significantly exposed to any culture other than their own.
The absolute number is irrelevant in this context.
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There goes a bloke who doesn't understand numbers! (mhr7 that is)
As a proportion of the population international travel is much less common for USAian people than over in civilisation. The proportion of the population that has a passport is a good proxy for international travel for obvious reasons.
International travel is a very good proxy for exposure to different cultures.
Thus we know that most USAian people are not significantly exposed to any culture other than their own.
The absolute number is irrelevant in this context.
How close are we to countries that are actually worth travelling to? You've been to the States, international culture tends to come to us and every country I've been to copies so much of American culture (some of it unfortunate) that the differences in cultures is becoming smaller and smaller. Passport does not equal civilization.
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There goes a bloke who doesn't understand numbers! (mhr7 that is)
As a proportion of the population international travel is much less common for USAian people than over in civilisation. The proportion of the population that has a passport is a good proxy for international travel for obvious reasons.
International travel is a very good proxy for exposure to different cultures.
Thus we know that most USAian people are not significantly exposed to any culture other than their own.
The absolute number is irrelevant in this context.
How close are we to countries that are actually worth travelling to? You've been to the States, international culture tends to come to us and every country I've been to copies so much of American culture (some of it unfortunate) that the differences in cultures is becoming smaller and smaller. Passport does not equal civilization.
Yeah sure. Pizza, Burritos, Tacos.. how could I forget the good ol Hamburger.
Culture comes to America? Righto!
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There goes a bloke who doesn't understand numbers! (mhr7 that is)
As a proportion of the population international travel is much less common for USAian people than over in civilisation. The proportion of the population that has a passport is a good proxy for international travel for obvious reasons.
International travel is a very good proxy for exposure to different cultures.
Thus we know that most USAian people are not significantly exposed to any culture other than their own.
The absolute number is irrelevant in this context.
How close are we to countries that are actually worth travelling to? You've been to the States, international culture tends to come to us and every country I've been to copies so much of American culture (some of it unfortunate) that the differences in cultures is becoming smaller and smaller. Passport does not equal civilization.
Yeah sure. Pizza, Burritos, Tacos.. how could I forget the good ol Hamburger.
Culture comes to America? Righto!
What about the American ass!! Have you seen the size of some of them :ROFL: I think they are spending all over the world :sick0012:
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There goes a bloke who doesn't understand numbers! (mhr7 that is)
As a proportion of the population international travel is much less common for USAian people than over in civilisation. The proportion of the population that has a passport is a good proxy for international travel for obvious reasons.
International travel is a very good proxy for exposure to different cultures.
Thus we know that most USAian people are not significantly exposed to any culture other than their own.
The absolute number is irrelevant in this context.
How close are we to countries that are actually worth travelling to? You've been to the States, international culture tends to come to us and every country I've been to copies so much of American culture (some of it unfortunate) that the differences in cultures is becoming smaller and smaller. Passport does not equal civilization.
Yeah sure. Pizza, Burritos, Tacos.. how could I forget the good ol Hamburger.
Culture comes to America? Righto!
What about the American ass!! Have you seen the size of some of them :ROFL: I think they are spending all over the world :sick0012:
As it is said by themselves, "Everything is BIGGER in the US"... :whist11:
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There goes a bloke who doesn't understand numbers! (mhr7 that is)
As a proportion of the population international travel is much less common for USAian people than over in civilisation. The proportion of the population that has a passport is a good proxy for international travel for obvious reasons.
International travel is a very good proxy for exposure to different cultures.
Thus we know that most USAian people are not significantly exposed to any culture other than their own.
The absolute number is irrelevant in this context.
How close are we to countries that are actually worth travelling to? You've been to the States, international culture tends to come to us and every country I've been to copies so much of American culture (some of it unfortunate) that the differences in cultures is becoming smaller and smaller. Passport does not equal civilization.
Yeah sure. Pizza, Burritos, Tacos.. how could I forget the good ol Hamburger.
Culture comes to America? Righto!
What about the American ass!! Have you seen the size of some of them :ROFL: I think they are spending all over the world :sick0012:
As it is said by themselves, "Everything is BIGGER in the US"... :whist11:
True 'dat. :laugh: :bow:
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Amazing how hostile and arrogant the tone of our cousins across the pond have become considering their mass psychosis and denial while they flush themselves down one gigantic islamist radical shitter.
Enjoy the invasion and fall of Europa.
There will be NO radical islamist sympathizers invasion of the USA while we have a private arsenal of 300 Million plus weapons and the NRA and USCCA to protect our rights of self defense against such evil globalists tyranny.
At least the Russians are still our kindred spirits.
FYI
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/
https://membership.nrahq.org/5245/default.aspx?
Go ahead and JOIN with us - subconsciously you know you want to!
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Amazing how hostile and arrogant the tone of our cousins across the pond have become considering their mass psychosis and denial while they flush themselves down one gigantic islamist radical shitter.
Enjoy the invasion and fall of Europa.
There will be NO radical islamist sympathizers invasion of the USA while we have a private arsenal of 300 Million plus weapons and the NRA and USCCA to protect our rights of self defense against such evil globalists tyranny.
At least the Russians are still our kindred spirits.
FYI
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/
https://membership.nrahq.org/5245/default.aspx?
Go ahead and JOIN with us - subconsciously you know you want to!
Cuffy,
The Evil Globalists that you talk about, are your own :censored: Government.
They are the ones who started and support the shit in the ME.
They caused the mass migration.
But they, you and many others are un-willing to accept your fair share of these migrant muzzies, SHAME on you all...
True American style, impose your form of democracy on other countries, if they reject you, invade them, start a fight, then walk away and leave it for someone else to finish.
Best way forward in future for you little boys, is to keep your mouths shut, sort out your own country's shit, and let the MEN solve the worlds problems.
:thumbsup:
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Amazing how hostile and arrogant the tone of our cousins across the pond have become considering their mass psychosis and denial while they flush themselves down one gigantic islamist radical shitter.
Enjoy the invasion and fall of Europa.
There will be NO radical islamist sympathizers invasion of the USA while we have a private arsenal of 300 Million plus weapons and the NRA and USCCA to protect our rights of self defense against such evil globalists tyranny.
At least the Russians are still our kindred spirits.
FYI
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/
https://membership.nrahq.org/5245/default.aspx?
Go ahead and JOIN with us - subconsciously you know you want to!
Cuffy,
The Evil Globalists that you talk about, are your own :censored: Government.
They are the ones who started and support the shit in the ME.
They caused the mass migration.
But they, you and many others are un-willing to accept your fair share of these migrant muzzies, SHAME on you all...
True American style, impose your form of democracy on other countries, if they reject you, invade them, start a fight, then walk away and leave it for someone else to finish.
Best way forward in future for you little boys, is to keep your mouths shut, sort out your own country's shit, and let the MEN solve the worlds problems.
:thumbsup:
Gipsy it is not a good idea to smoke Weed with LSD.
Your reply is a great example of your collective Denial - France, UK, Germany and Sweden have already committed cultural suicide and it is one Hungarian Jewish Globalist George Soros who using the funds he multiplied from breaking the Bank of England financed most of the NGOs behind the Arab Spring and resultant invasion of Europa...
He is your schmuck actually. Furthermore the USA does nothing without the active support, backing and encouragement of 10 Downing Street and Parliament - you Euro surrender monkees and cultural suicidalists are in DENIAL DENIAL DENIAL DE NILE it must be a mass radical socialist Marxist desire to self immolate your entire genetic line for Cultural Enrichment. Enjoy your new Islamist Sharia continent.
If you will not protect and defend yourselves don't expect us to shed blood for you this time like the last TWO times.
-
Amazing how hostile and arrogant the tone of our cousins across the pond have become considering their mass psychosis and denial while they flush themselves down one gigantic islamist radical shitter.
Enjoy the invasion and fall of Europa.
There will be NO radical islamist sympathizers invasion of the USA while we have a private arsenal of 300 Million plus weapons and the NRA and USCCA to protect our rights of self defense against such evil globalists tyranny.
At least the Russians are still our kindred spirits.
FYI
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/
https://membership.nrahq.org/5245/default.aspx?
Go ahead and JOIN with us - subconsciously you know you want to!
Cuffy,
The Evil Globalists that you talk about, are your own :censored: Government.
They are the ones who started and support the shit in the ME.
They caused the mass migration.
But they, you and many others are un-willing to accept your fair share of these migrant muzzies, SHAME on you all...
True American style, impose your form of democracy on other countries, if they reject you, invade them, start a fight, then walk away and leave it for someone else to finish.
Best way forward in future for you little boys, is to keep your mouths shut, sort out your own country's shit, and let the MEN solve the worlds problems.
:thumbsup:
Gipsy it is not a good idea to smoke Weed with LSD.
Your reply is a great example of your collective Denial - France, UK, Germany and Sweden have already committed cultural suicide and it is one Hungarian Jewish Globalist George Soros who using the funds he multiplied from breaking the Bank of England financed most of the NGOs behind the Arab Spring and resultant invasion of Europa...
He is your schmuck actually. Furthermore the USA does nothing without the active support, backing and encouragement of 10 Downing Street and Parliament - you Euro surrender monkees and cultural suicidalists are in DENIAL DENIAL DENIAL DE NILE it must be a mass radical socialist Marxist desire to self immolate your entire genetic line for Cultural Enrichment. Enjoy your new Islamist Sharia continent.
If you will not protect and defend yourselves don't expect us to shed blood for you this time like the last TWO times.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
According to most reports, not much blood was shed from the REAR ranks.... :chuckle:
The only help we got from you lot was the help to get us into serious debt, which I think we are still paying...
Are you still saying that your country will not take any muzzies who are fleeing your :censored: ing intrusion, wayward bombs and missiles ?.
And those (un)lucky few that you do take, will be live targets for every guntoting cowboy ?
-
Amazing how hostile and arrogant the tone of our cousins across the pond have become considering their mass psychosis and denial while they flush themselves down one gigantic islamist radical shitter.
Enjoy the invasion and fall of Europa.
There will be NO radical islamist sympathizers invasion of the USA while we have a private arsenal of 300 Million plus weapons and the NRA and USCCA to protect our rights of self defense against such evil globalists tyranny.
At least the Russians are still our kindred spirits.
FYI
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/
https://membership.nrahq.org/5245/default.aspx?
Go ahead and JOIN with us - subconsciously you know you want to!
Cuffy,
The Evil Globalists that you talk about, are your own :censored: Government.
They are the ones who started and support the shit in the ME.
They caused the mass migration.
But they, you and many others are un-willing to accept your fair share of these migrant muzzies, SHAME on you all...
True American style, impose your form of democracy on other countries, if they reject you, invade them, start a fight, then walk away and leave it for someone else to finish.
Best way forward in future for you little boys, is to keep your mouths shut, sort out your own country's shit, and let the MEN solve the worlds problems.
:thumbsup:
Gipsy it is not a good idea to smoke Weed with LSD.
Your reply is a great example of your collective Denial - France, UK, Germany and Sweden have already committed cultural suicide and it is one Hungarian Jewish Globalist George Soros who using the funds he multiplied from breaking the Bank of England financed most of the NGOs behind the Arab Spring and resultant invasion of Europa...
He is your schmuck actually. Furthermore the USA does nothing without the active support, backing and encouragement of 10 Downing Street and Parliament - you Euro surrender monkees and cultural suicidalists are in DENIAL DENIAL DENIAL DE NILE it must be a mass radical socialist Marxist desire to self immolate your entire genetic line for Cultural Enrichment. Enjoy your new Islamist Sharia continent.
If you will not protect and defend yourselves don't expect us to shed blood for you this time like the last TWO times.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
According to most reports, not much blood was shed from the REAR ranks.... :chuckle:
The only help we got from you lot was the help to get us into serious debt, which I think we are still paying...
Are you still saying that your country will not take any muzzies who are fleeing your :censored: ing intrusion, wayward bombs and missiles ?.
And those (un)lucky few that you do take, will be live targets for every guntoting cowboy ?
Gipsy with all the bombs the Russians are dropping and by their own admissions the Russians are bombing the hell out of their targets, why isn't Russia taking any Syrian refugees?
Since the Russians started bombing by their own admission they've bombed thousands of targets. Destroyed lots of infrastructure and displaced tens of thousands of Syrians.
In addition, since Syria is a Russian clients state and Russia supplies most if not all of Syria's weapons of war Russia is responsible for all of the damage the Syrian military inflicted on its people.
Why won't Russia take Syria refugees? Russia certainly bears responsibility for much of the damage inflicted on Syria. It's only right that Russia takes a few tens of thousands of the Syria refugees.
-
Amazing how hostile and arrogant the tone of our cousins across the pond have become considering their mass psychosis and denial while they flush themselves down one gigantic islamist radical shitter.
Enjoy the invasion and fall of Europa.
There will be NO radical islamist sympathizers invasion of the USA while we have a private arsenal of 300 Million plus weapons and the NRA and USCCA to protect our rights of self defense against such evil globalists tyranny.
At least the Russians are still our kindred spirits.
FYI
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/
https://membership.nrahq.org/5245/default.aspx?
Go ahead and JOIN with us - subconsciously you know you want to!
Cuffy,
The Evil Globalists that you talk about, are your own :censored: Government.
They are the ones who started and support the shit in the ME.
They caused the mass migration.
But they, you and many others are un-willing to accept your fair share of these migrant muzzies, SHAME on you all...
True American style, impose your form of democracy on other countries, if they reject you, invade them, start a fight, then walk away and leave it for someone else to finish.
Best way forward in future for you little boys, is to keep your mouths shut, sort out your own country's shit, and let the MEN solve the worlds problems.
:thumbsup:
Gipsy it is not a good idea to smoke Weed with LSD.
Your reply is a great example of your collective Denial - France, UK, Germany and Sweden have already committed cultural suicide and it is one Hungarian Jewish Globalist George Soros who using the funds he multiplied from breaking the Bank of England financed most of the NGOs behind the Arab Spring and resultant invasion of Europa...
He is your schmuck actually. Furthermore the USA does nothing without the active support, backing and encouragement of 10 Downing Street and Parliament - you Euro surrender monkees and cultural suicidalists are in DENIAL DENIAL DENIAL DE NILE it must be a mass radical socialist Marxist desire to self immolate your entire genetic line for Cultural Enrichment. Enjoy your new Islamist Sharia continent.
If you will not protect and defend yourselves don't expect us to shed blood for you this time like the last TWO times.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
According to most reports, not much blood was shed from the REAR ranks.... :chuckle:
The only help we got from you lot was the help to get us into serious debt, which I think we are still paying...
Are you still saying that your country will not take any muzzies who are fleeing your :censored: ing intrusion, wayward bombs and missiles ?.
And those (un)lucky few that you do take, will be live targets for every guntoting cowboy ?
Gipsy with all the bombs the Russians are dropping and by their own admissions the Russians are bombing the hell out of their targets, why isn't Russia taking any Syrian refugees?
Since the Russians started bombing by their own admission they've bombed thousands of targets. Destroyed lots of infrastructure and displaced tens of thousands of Syrians.
In addition, since Syria is a Russian clients state and Russia supplies most if not all of Syria's weapons of war Russia is responsible for all of the damage the Syrian military inflicted on its people.
Why won't Russia take Syria refugees? Russia certainly bears responsibility for much of the damage inflicted on Syria. It's only right that Russia takes a few tens of thousands of the Syria refugees.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: Syrian refugees don't want Russia!!!!! Russia doesn't offer social security and housing benefits and send child allowance back to their home countries :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
What a stupid answer!!
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Amazing how hostile and arrogant the tone of our cousins across the pond have become considering their mass psychosis and denial while they flush themselves down one gigantic islamist radical shitter.
Enjoy the invasion and fall of Europa.
There will be NO radical islamist sympathizers invasion of the USA while we have a private arsenal of 300 Million plus weapons and the NRA and USCCA to protect our rights of self defense against such evil globalists tyranny.
At least the Russians are still our kindred spirits.
FYI
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/
https://membership.nrahq.org/5245/default.aspx?
Go ahead and JOIN with us - subconsciously you know you want to!
Cuffy,
The Evil Globalists that you talk about, are your own :censored: Government.
They are the ones who started and support the shit in the ME.
They caused the mass migration.
But they, you and many others are un-willing to accept your fair share of these migrant muzzies, SHAME on you all...
True American style, impose your form of democracy on other countries, if they reject you, invade them, start a fight, then walk away and leave it for someone else to finish.
Best way forward in future for you little boys, is to keep your mouths shut, sort out your own country's shit, and let the MEN solve the worlds problems.
:thumbsup:
Gipsy it is not a good idea to smoke Weed with LSD.
Your reply is a great example of your collective Denial - France, UK, Germany and Sweden have already committed cultural suicide and it is one Hungarian Jewish Globalist George Soros who using the funds he multiplied from breaking the Bank of England financed most of the NGOs behind the Arab Spring and resultant invasion of Europa...
He is your schmuck actually. Furthermore the USA does nothing without the active support, backing and encouragement of 10 Downing Street and Parliament - you Euro surrender monkees and cultural suicidalists are in DENIAL DENIAL DENIAL DE NILE it must be a mass radical socialist Marxist desire to self immolate your entire genetic line for Cultural Enrichment. Enjoy your new Islamist Sharia continent.
If you will not protect and defend yourselves don't expect us to shed blood for you this time like the last TWO times.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
According to most reports, not much blood was shed from the REAR ranks.... :chuckle:
The only help we got from you lot was the help to get us into serious debt, which I think we are still paying...
Are you still saying that your country will not take any muzzies who are fleeing your :censored: ing intrusion, wayward bombs and missiles ?.
And those (un)lucky few that you do take, will be live targets for every guntoting cowboy ?
Gipsy with all the bombs the Russians are dropping and by their own admissions the Russians are bombing the hell out of their targets, why isn't Russia taking any Syrian refugees?
Since the Russians started bombing by their own admission they've bombed thousands of targets. Destroyed lots of infrastructure and displaced tens of thousands of Syrians.
In addition, since Syria is a Russian clients state and Russia supplies most if not all of Syria's weapons of war Russia is responsible for all of the damage the Syrian military inflicted on its people.
Why won't Russia take Syria refugees? Russia certainly bears responsibility for much of the damage inflicted on Syria. It's only right that Russia takes a few tens of thousands of the Syria refugees.
Westy,
First and foremost, Russia welcomes any Syrian migrants who would wish to come.
Secondly, these migrants want money, that is not available in Russia, they have to blend in and get a job, ie, work for a living.
Thirdly, Yes, Russia is dropping bombs, but only for the last 4-5 months, you yanks et al, have been bombing the shit out of Syria for the last 5 years.
So, taken in that concept, based on bombing time, the US should take the majority of migrants..
But they are NOT..
You tossers started the shit, then ran away when you realised that you had AGAIN, opened a can of worms, and didn't have the balls to finish the job..
Now you can argue with this as much as you want, you can twist the facts, distort the truth, do whatever you want, but all that you are doing in reality is running away and hiding your heads in the sand....
AGAIN....
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Amazing how hostile and arrogant the tone of our cousins across the pond have become considering their mass psychosis and denial while they flush themselves down one gigantic islamist radical shitter.
Enjoy the invasion and fall of Europa.
There will be NO radical islamist sympathizers invasion of the USA while we have a private arsenal of 300 Million plus weapons and the NRA and USCCA to protect our rights of self defense against such evil globalists tyranny.
At least the Russians are still our kindred spirits.
FYI
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/
https://membership.nrahq.org/5245/default.aspx?
Go ahead and JOIN with us - subconsciously you know you want to!
Cuffy,
The Evil Globalists that you talk about, are your own :censored: Government.
They are the ones who started and support the shit in the ME.
They caused the mass migration.
But they, you and many others are un-willing to accept your fair share of these migrant muzzies, SHAME on you all...
True American style, impose your form of democracy on other countries, if they reject you, invade them, start a fight, then walk away and leave it for someone else to finish.
Best way forward in future for you little boys, is to keep your mouths shut, sort out your own country's shit, and let the MEN solve the worlds problems.
:thumbsup:
Gipsy it is not a good idea to smoke Weed with LSD.
Your reply is a great example of your collective Denial - France, UK, Germany and Sweden have already committed cultural suicide and it is one Hungarian Jewish Globalist George Soros who using the funds he multiplied from breaking the Bank of England financed most of the NGOs behind the Arab Spring and resultant invasion of Europa...
He is your schmuck actually. Furthermore the USA does nothing without the active support, backing and encouragement of 10 Downing Street and Parliament - you Euro surrender monkees and cultural suicidalists are in DENIAL DENIAL DENIAL DE NILE it must be a mass radical socialist Marxist desire to self immolate your entire genetic line for Cultural Enrichment. Enjoy your new Islamist Sharia continent.
If you will not protect and defend yourselves don't expect us to shed blood for you this time like the last TWO times.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
According to most reports, not much blood was shed from the REAR ranks.... :chuckle:
The only help we got from you lot was the help to get us into serious debt, which I think we are still paying...
Are you still saying that your country will not take any muzzies who are fleeing your :censored: ing intrusion, wayward bombs and missiles ?.
And those (un)lucky few that you do take, will be live targets for every guntoting cowboy ?
Gipsy with all the bombs the Russians are dropping and by their own admissions the Russians are bombing the hell out of their targets, why isn't Russia taking any Syrian refugees?
Since the Russians started bombing by their own admission they've bombed thousands of targets. Destroyed lots of infrastructure and displaced tens of thousands of Syrians.
In addition, since Syria is a Russian clients state and Russia supplies most if not all of Syria's weapons of war Russia is responsible for all of the damage the Syrian military inflicted on its people.
Why won't Russia take Syria refugees? Russia certainly bears responsibility for much of the damage inflicted on Syria. It's only right that Russia takes a few tens of thousands of the Syria refugees.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: Syrian refugees don't want Russia!!!!! Russia doesn't offer social security and housing benefits and send child allowance back to their home countries :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
What a stupid answer!!
Steveboy, the stupid one is you. Child allowances being sent back to home countries only works if both the sending and receiving country are in the EU. Steveboy you do realise that Syria is not a member of the EU, don't you?
As for wanting Russia, Syria has been a client state of Russia for a couple of decades so there'll be a Syria community in Russia, so there'll be Syrians that have family and friends in Russia. That means there'll be Syrians who want to go to Russia.
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Steveboy, the stupid one is you. Child allowances being sent back to home countries only works if both the sending and receiving country are in the EU. Steveboy you do realise that Syria is not a member of the EU, don't you?
Morocco isn't either, but after 25 years we finally might be rid of this arrangement. Thanks for the refugees for that.
Morocco might start their own alliance against ISIS for that :-\
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Amazing how hostile and arrogant the tone of our cousins across the pond have become considering their mass psychosis and denial while they flush themselves down one gigantic islamist radical shitter.
Enjoy the invasion and fall of Europa.
There will be NO radical islamist sympathizers invasion of the USA while we have a private arsenal of 300 Million plus weapons and the NRA and USCCA to protect our rights of self defense against such evil globalists tyranny.
At least the Russians are still our kindred spirits.
FYI
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/
https://membership.nrahq.org/5245/default.aspx?
Go ahead and JOIN with us - subconsciously you know you want to!
Cuffy,
The Evil Globalists that you talk about, are your own :censored: Government.
They are the ones who started and support the shit in the ME.
They caused the mass migration.
But they, you and many others are un-willing to accept your fair share of these migrant muzzies, SHAME on you all...
True American style, impose your form of democracy on other countries, if they reject you, invade them, start a fight, then walk away and leave it for someone else to finish.
Best way forward in future for you little boys, is to keep your mouths shut, sort out your own country's shit, and let the MEN solve the worlds problems.
:thumbsup:
Gipsy it is not a good idea to smoke Weed with LSD.
Your reply is a great example of your collective Denial - France, UK, Germany and Sweden have already committed cultural suicide and it is one Hungarian Jewish Globalist George Soros who using the funds he multiplied from breaking the Bank of England financed most of the NGOs behind the Arab Spring and resultant invasion of Europa...
He is your schmuck actually. Furthermore the USA does nothing without the active support, backing and encouragement of 10 Downing Street and Parliament - you Euro surrender monkees and cultural suicidalists are in DENIAL DENIAL DENIAL DE NILE it must be a mass radical socialist Marxist desire to self immolate your entire genetic line for Cultural Enrichment. Enjoy your new Islamist Sharia continent.
If you will not protect and defend yourselves don't expect us to shed blood for you this time like the last TWO times.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
According to most reports, not much blood was shed from the REAR ranks.... :chuckle:
The only help we got from you lot was the help to get us into serious debt, which I think we are still paying...
Are you still saying that your country will not take any muzzies who are fleeing your :censored: ing intrusion, wayward bombs and missiles ?.
And those (un)lucky few that you do take, will be live targets for every guntoting cowboy ?
Gipsy with all the bombs the Russians are dropping and by their own admissions the Russians are bombing the hell out of their targets, why isn't Russia taking any Syrian refugees?
Since the Russians started bombing by their own admission they've bombed thousands of targets. Destroyed lots of infrastructure and displaced tens of thousands of Syrians.
In addition, since Syria is a Russian clients state and Russia supplies most if not all of Syria's weapons of war Russia is responsible for all of the damage the Syrian military inflicted on its people.
Why won't Russia take Syria refugees? Russia certainly bears responsibility for much of the damage inflicted on Syria. It's only right that Russia takes a few tens of thousands of the Syria refugees.
Westy,
Thirdly, Yes, Russia is dropping bombs, but only for the last 4-5 months
Gipsey, it isn't how long the US or Russia have been bombing the shit out of Syria, it's how many bombing sorties and how much bombs and missiles have been used. According to the media and RUA posters Russia has been flying many time the number of missions of the US and dropping lots more and bigger bombs. That certainly makes up for their late entry into the conflict.
you yanks
I'm Canadian. At least do me the courtesy of getting my nationality correct.
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Westy,
Russia has dropped about 5,000 bombs and missiles on Syria.
The US,UK,France el al, have dropped 3-4 times that many.
There is no real evidence as to the exact quantity, as no one is prepared to admit the truth, though I would guess that the Russian qty is about accurate, whereas the rest is less than reality.
I know that you are a Canuk, and your people are also part of the problem in the ME.
The most important point here is that Syria is being bombed by uninvited guests, the self and same guests who caused the whole :censored: ing problem.
As the discussion is moving away from the original point of the thread, can someone in Admin please move the last few posts to somewhere more applicable to the subject. Thank you..
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You tossers started the shit, then ran away when you realised that you had AGAIN, opened a can of worms, and didn't have the balls to finish the job..
Now you can argue with this as much as you want, you can twist the facts, distort the truth, do whatever you want, but all that you are doing in reality is running away and hiding your heads in the sand....
AGAIN....
Nailed it there gipsy :thumbsup:
A statement that can be applied to pretty much every conflict they’ve stuck their noses in during my living memory!
Lucrative clean-up/re-build contacts don’t count :sick0012:
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Another day, another :coffeeread:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-35681240
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You tossers started the shit, then ran away when you realised that you had AGAIN, opened a can of worms, and didn't have the balls to finish the job..
Now you can argue with this as much as you want, you can twist the facts, distort the truth, do whatever you want, but all that you are doing in reality is running away and hiding your heads in the sand....
AGAIN....
Nailed it there gipsy :thumbsup:
A statement that can be applied to pretty much every conflict they’ve stuck their noses in during my living memory!
Lucrative clean-up/re-build contacts don’t count :sick0012:
Whoa I call MEGA BULL SHITE on this line of UK History Revisionism...
The only Tossers were the holier than thou British Colonial Empire that forced all of these various hostile tribes together into cobbled up new countries best suited to trade with and serve the financial interests of the British Commonwealth Financial Colonial Empire. Now with Radical Islamist Terrorists operating in all areas of the Muslim world - Muslims Shia and Sunni are in fact the ENEMEY of the West and East and have avowed to wipe out all infidels around the world in their vision of a new Global Caliphate.
You liberal Euros are beyond appeasers and beyond delusional bordering on psychotic in your desire to be beheaded by your Sharia Law no go zone superiors.
The Obama Saudi King Robe Kissing inspired Muslim Invasion of the USA will be ended soon.
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You tossers started the shit, then ran away when you realised that you had AGAIN, opened a can of worms, and didn't have the balls to finish the job..
Now you can argue with this as much as you want, you can twist the facts, distort the truth, do whatever you want, but all that you are doing in reality is running away and hiding your heads in the sand....
AGAIN....
Nailed it there gipsy :thumbsup:
A statement that can be applied to pretty much every conflict they’ve stuck their noses in during my living memory!
Lucrative clean-up/re-build contacts don’t count :sick0012:
Whoa I call MEGA BULL SHITE on this line of UK History Revisionism...
The only Tossers were the holier than thou British Colonial Empire that forced all of these various hostile tribes together into cobbled up new countries best suited to trade with and serve the financial interests of the British Commonwealth Financial Colonial Empire. Now with Radical Islamist Terrorists operating in all areas of the Muslim world - Muslims Shia and Sunni are in fact the ENEMEY of the West and East and have avowed to wipe out all infidels around the world in their vision of a new Global Caliphate.
You liberal Euros as beyond appeasers and beyond delusional bordering on psychotic in your desire to be beheaded by your Sharia Law no go zone superiors.
The Obama Saudi King Robe Kissing inspired Muslim Invasion of the USA will be ended soon.
Not if Hillary wins it wont..
She will spread her gospel according to US shit democracy to all corners of the earth, and any country who disagrees, will get invaded under some false pretext...
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You tossers started the shit, then ran away when you realised that you had AGAIN, opened a can of worms, and didn't have the balls to finish the job..
Now you can argue with this as much as you want, you can twist the facts, distort the truth, do whatever you want, but all that you are doing in reality is running away and hiding your heads in the sand....
AGAIN....
Nailed it there gipsy :thumbsup:
A statement that can be applied to pretty much every conflict they’ve stuck their noses in during my living memory!
Lucrative clean-up/re-build contacts don’t count :sick0012:
Whoa I call MEGA BULL SHITE on this line of UK History Revisionism...
The only Tossers were the holier than thou British Colonial Empire that forced all of these various hostile tribes together into cobbled up new countries best suited to trade with and serve the financial interests of the British Commonwealth Financial Colonial Empire. Now with Radical Islamist Terrorists operating in all areas of the Muslim world - Muslims Shia and Sunni are in fact the ENEMEY of the West and East and have avowed to wipe out all infidels around the world in their vision of a new Global Caliphate.
You liberal Euros as beyond appeasers and beyond delusional bordering on psychotic in your desire to be beheaded by your Sharia Law no go zone superiors.
The Obama Saudi King Robe Kissing inspired Muslim Invasion of the USA will be ended soon.
Not if Hillary wins it wont..
She will spread her gospel according to US shit democracy to all corners of the earth, and any country who disagrees, will get invaded under some false pretext...
Nah, some "headcase" will assassinate her with a Smith & Wesson.
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Hitlery is currently under investigation from more than 100 dedicated FBI agents for at least 4 major Federal Criminal Indictments including misshandling highly classified information and habitual conflict of interest multiple charges - Hitlery will be warming up a room at Club Fed...
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Gotta love it!!
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Probably not the best place to bring a gun. :coffeeread:
Man who drew weapon at U.S. Capitol shot by police
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-capitol-white-house-placed-under-lockdown/
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With the GOP convention occuring not to far off do you think that they will allow any and all to carry a weapon?
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With the GOP convention occuring not to far off do you think that they will allow any and all to carry a weapon?
I certainly hope not as that could end in disaster for whoever the "elites" try to foist on us if the convention is brokered.
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British Empire Created Radical Islam
Published on Mar 29, 2016
The Salafist and jihadist ideology behind terror attacks in Brussels, Paris and San Bernardino is a product of Wahhabism, an offshoot of Sunni Islam and the official religion of Saudi Arabia.
Prior to the 9/11 attacks Wahhabism had at best a marginal footprint in the United States. “80 percent of the 1,200 mosques operating in the US were constructed after 2001, more often than not with Saudi financing,” notes World Affairs. “As a result, Wahhabi influence over Islamic institutions in the US was considerable by 2003, according to testimony before the US Senate. Hundreds of publications, published by the Saudi government and its affiliates, and filled with intolerance toward Christians, Jews, and other Americans, had been disseminated across the country by 2006.”
The Saudis have spent billions to propagate the intolerant and hateful ideology of Wahhabism. “Between 1975 and 1987, the Saudis admit to having spent $48 billion or $4 billion per year on ‘overseas development aid,’ a figure which by the end of 2002 grew to over $70 billion (281 billion Saudi rials). These sums are reported to be Saudi state aid and almost certainly do not include private donations which are also distributed by state-controlled charities. Such staggering amounts contrast starkly with the $5 million in terrorist accounts the Saudis claim to have frozen since 9/11,” writes Alex Alexiev.
The US government has encouraged the spread of radical Wahhabism by coddling the Saudi Arabian government and insisting America shares a “special relationship” with the kingdom. The blind eye turned toward Saudi Arabia and its deplorable record in human rights was demonstrated when it was elected to the UN Human Rights Council (in fairness, the vote is primarily the fault of the UK—the British government also shares a “special relationship” with the medieval kings of Saudi Arabia and has allowed the virus of Wahhabism to spread in Britain, hence the term “Londonistan”).
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British Empire Created Radical Islam
Published on Mar 29, 2016
The Salafist and jihadist ideology behind terror attacks in Brussels, Paris and San Bernardino is a product of Wahhabism, an offshoot of Sunni Islam and the official religion of Saudi Arabia.
Prior to the 9/11 attacks Wahhabism had at best a marginal footprint in the United States. “80 percent of the 1,200 mosques operating in the US were constructed after 2001, more often than not with Saudi financing,” notes World Affairs. “As a result, Wahhabi influence over Islamic institutions in the US was considerable by 2003, according to testimony before the US Senate. Hundreds of publications, published by the Saudi government and its affiliates, and filled with intolerance toward Christians, Jews, and other Americans, had been disseminated across the country by 2006.”
The Saudis have spent billions to propagate the intolerant and hateful ideology of Wahhabism. “Between 1975 and 1987, the Saudis admit to having spent $48 billion or $4 billion per year on ‘overseas development aid,’ a figure which by the end of 2002 grew to over $70 billion (281 billion Saudi rials). These sums are reported to be Saudi state aid and almost certainly do not include private donations which are also distributed by state-controlled charities. Such staggering amounts contrast starkly with the $5 million in terrorist accounts the Saudis claim to have frozen since 9/11,” writes Alex Alexiev.
The US government has encouraged the spread of radical Wahhabism by coddling the Saudi Arabian government and insisting America shares a “special relationship” with the kingdom. The blind eye turned toward Saudi Arabia and its deplorable record in human rights was demonstrated when it was elected to the UN Human Rights Council (in fairness, the vote is primarily the fault of the UK—the British government also shares a “special relationship” with the medieval kings of Saudi Arabia and has allowed the virus of Wahhabism to spread in Britain, hence the term “Londonistan”).
a little off topic?
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The Topic Morphed into Crazy American Gun Nuts Responsible for chaos and collapse of the Middle East when in fact the Crown, Parliament and 10 Downing Street created the conditions for radical islamist terrorists chaos now flooding across the EU.
Published on Mar 28, 2016
Caught On Tape: Suspects Use Big Rig Cab To Smash Into Ventura Gun Store During Wild 48-Second Heist « CBS Los Angeles
Lahore bombing victims buried as grief turns to anger over safety of Christians | World news | The Guardian
ISIS carries out Good Friday crucifixion of Catholic priest Tom Uzhunnalil in Yemen | Daily Mail Online
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With the GOP convention occuring not to far off do you think that they will allow any and all to carry a weapon?
No. The Secret Service is involved in security for the event and they already put the kibosh on it.
B/B
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With the GOP convention occuring not to far off do you think that they will allow any and all to carry a weapon?
No. The Secret Service is involved in security for the event and they already put the kibosh on it.
B/B
Good. The last thing we need is a Soros paid protestor pretending to be a Trump supporter and shooting the place up. And lest our UK friends are confused (when it comes to guns and the USA, they almost always are) this is not a "gun free zone".
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Interesting 2011 crime statistic.
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Interesting 2011 crime statistic.
How misleading. It says here (http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state) that there were 8,583 firearms deaths in the US in 2011. :prophead:
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Interesting 2011 crime statistic.
How misleading. It says here (http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state) that there were 8,583 firearms deaths in the US in 2011. :prophead:
That's the difference between somebody lying to try to make a point and the truth.
No, it wasn't the Ant lying, although one might wonder how he would have believed such ludicrously low numbers - but then that's how the lying liars get away with conning blokes like the ant. If only folks were a tad less... gullible?
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Really guys you are comparing apples and oranges!
The statistic quoted by Ant relates to the number of murders involving "Assault weapons" This is the weapon group most commonly targeted by the anti gun lobby.
The statistic quoted by Manny refers to all murders in which guns were used.
The typical argument is that no one needs to own an assault rifle. So Daesh is using pea shooters now?
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Only those who cannot shoot straight need an assault rifle..
Nearly everybody can manage to hit a nail.. :fighting0025:
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In other news, in milwaukee a toddler of just 2 fatally shot their mother in the back using the mothers own gun.
Sadly, she leaves 3 children behind.
Now, if that woman didnt have access to firearms, she would be alive and well ready to raise her children.
It isn't protection from criminals that you must ban guns, its the careless, the idiots, the depressed, the mentally insane even, that must be considered with a gun-ban.
How much more examples of the above do you need, before you will finally realize that 99% of all people are too stupid to own and safely use a gun. And right now, that 99% stupidity is looking at you with lethal force, just 1 inch away from a trigger that will end your life.
Let me expand on the 99% a little:
13% of all people in the united states at any given time is below the age of 9. I think you can all agree with me that any child below the age of 9 should never have access to a gun.
7% of all people in the USA is older than 75. I think you can all agree with me that anyone above 75 usually has such poor eyesight, stability and motorcontrol that you should not want a gun in their hands.
Thats 20% of all people, just disqualified purely based on their age.
That shockingly high number is already a good reason to ban guns.
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One in Shakey's back yard:
Investigators have interviewed dozens of people in a frantic search for one or several shooters responsible for the death of eight family members in Pike County, Ohio, on Friday.
The victims, seven adults and a 16-year-old boy, were found dead at four homes along Union Hill Road, prompting authorities to believe they might be chasing three or more shooters.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3553964/Gunman-large-seven-family-members-dead-rural-Ohio-home.html#ixzz47CflAl00
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In other news, in milwaukee a toddler of just 2 fatally shot their mother in the back using the mothers own gun.
Sadly, she leaves 3 children behind.
Now, if that woman didnt have access to firearms, she would be alive and well ready to raise her children.
It isn't protection from criminals that you must ban guns, its the careless, the idiots, the depressed, the mentally insane even, that must be considered with a gun-ban.
How much more examples of the above do you need, before you will finally realize that 99% of all people are too stupid to own and safely use a gun. And right now, that 99% stupidity is looking at you with lethal force, just 1 inch away from a trigger that will end your life.
Let me expand on the 99% a little:
13% of all people in the united states at any given time is below the age of 9. I think you can all agree with me that any child below the age of 9 should never have access to a gun.
7% of all people in the USA is older than 75. I think you can all agree with me that anyone above 75 usually has such poor eyesight, stability and motorcontrol that you should not want a gun in their hands.
Thats 20% of all people, just disqualified purely based on their age.
That shockingly high number is already a good reason to ban guns.
The problem is Mark in a sane World what you have just written makes perfect sense – however, our colonial cousins will probably just argue that if the toddler had received adequate firearms training prior to the incident all would have been fine or on the flipside the diver should have been packing a concealed firearm which would have enabled her to pop a cap in her assailant prior to the fatal blow. Or the perp was
black – and we all know about those coloured folks and guns :rolleye0009:
If it isn’t the above, it will be something!
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I had guns when I lived in the UK - a rifle and 4-5 shotguns. I had guns when I lived in the USA, like before but with a couple of hand guns. I have weapons now, including an assault rifle.
I am an adult and am able to make my own decisions. I find the "nanny" type excuses for restricting my access to weapons insulting...
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I had guns when I lived in the UK - a rifle and 4-5 shotguns. I had guns when I lived in the USA, like before but with a couple of hand guns. I have weapons now, including an assault rifle.
I am an adult and am able to make my own decisions. I find the "nanny" type excuses for restricting my access to weapons insulting...
Living where you live, and the possible threats involved, you may also be prudent enough to keep a T90 in the garage..
However, in more peaceful/peace loving countries, there is absolutely no need for anyone to have such a rifle.
I do agree with your own ability to make your own decisions, but we should all remember, that there are many people who are incapable of making any rational decisions, many who are by nature also peace loving, but at the slightest antagonism, feel threatened and resort to protectionism/violence/killing.
There has to be a line drawn somewhere to protect the innocent.
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Another big problem has been the cutbacks made to mental health services and facilities which have in effect put more nutters on the street.
Being a responsible gun owner is short-sighted to say the least. Many of the mass shootings have been carried out by mentally compromised people with easy access to guns, and guns that IMO have no business being available to the general public, e.g. assault rifles.
Handguns, hunting rifles, shotguns are more than enough for the average gun freak to own. If one wants to feel the power of an assault rifle then shooting ranges are places to handle this request.
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I don't think there is any need to carry a gun in todays modern world!
But I always keep something under the bed for emergencies ;D
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Really guys you are comparing apples and oranges!
The statistic quoted by Ant relates to the number of murders involving "Assault weapons" This is the weapon group most commonly targeted by the anti gun lobby.
The statistic quoted by Manny refers to all murders in which guns were used.
The typical argument is that no one needs to own an assault rifle. So Daesh is using pea shooters now?
:ROFL:
Our UK cousins will rue the day they gave up proper firearms when the Muslims have enough population to start a civil war.
Here is the amendment as ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, then-Secretary of State:[31] "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
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Basically this thread is Guns, Muslims, Guns, Muslims, ad infinitum.
Lock it please!!
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So where's the well regulated militia?
That's the line trotted out by apologists unable to read or think.
If there WAS a well regulated militia, which inherently means training and discipline, and the only folks carrying weapons were members of that militia, then, maybe, just maybe matters might be better.
But USAians don't, any longer, live an agrarian peasant lifestyle, eating what they shot and killing off redskins. There's no militia and thus no 'well regulated' either.
Maybe the US DOES need a well regulated militia, but until such time the one side of the equation nullifies the other. No guns for you sonny.
Let us make it easy for USAians: Anyone who thinks that the line you spouted applies to today's situation is, by dint of lack of intelligence and knowledge, demonstrably, not capable of owning and using a firearm.
Show us where to find the well regulated militia - boy!
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I had guns when I lived in the UK - a rifle and 4-5 shotguns. I had guns when I lived in the USA, like before but with a couple of hand guns. I have weapons now, including an assault rifle.
I am an adult and am able to make my own decisions. I find the "nanny" type excuses for restricting my access to weapons insulting...
Yes, but you are a sensible bloke. You are unlikely to start shooting your neighbours over a parking space or wander around a school or cinema picking people off. But in the Land of the FreeTM, the lack of regulation means all sorts of loons are milling about with a dashboard full of guns. Not the same.
Criminal record and police check as is done in the UK is alright with me. I recall here metal locked cabinets is a must, and not sure about now but in the past a rozzer used to visit the house to see if you was a nutter see if you complied with the regs. The result mostly was that responsible, law abiding and sensible people had guns.
Not so in the US. Any Bud, Chuck or Hank with the IQ of roadkill can get one, get drunk, and go waving it around the local cinema/college/shopping mall, etc.
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I had guns when I lived in the UK - a rifle and 4-5 shotguns. I had guns when I lived in the USA, like before but with a couple of hand guns. I have weapons now, including an assault rifle.
I am an adult and am able to make my own decisions. I find the "nanny" type excuses for restricting my access to weapons insulting...
Yes, but you are a sensible bloke. You are unlikely to start shooting your neighbours over a parking space or wander around a school or cinema picking people off. But in the Land of the FreeTM, the lack of regulation means all sorts of loons are milling about with a dashboard full of guns. Not the same.
Criminal record and police check as is done in the UK is alright with me. I recall here metal locked cabinets is a must, and not sure about now but in the past a rozzer used to visit the house to see if you was a nutter see if you complied with the regs. The result mostly was that responsible, law abiding and sensible people had guns.
Not so in the US. Any Bud, Chuck or Hank with the IQ of roadkill can get one, get drunk, and go waving it around the local cinema/college/shopping mall, etc.
Bloke opposite me has rifles, all licenced but I've never seen any of them, I've seen the mega-safe he's legally-bound to keep them in, but he won't show me the contents, he wants to keep his licence and I don't blame him. He shoots rabbits, not people/school-kids etc
Should say had, he's moved out now.
Absolutely no way Joe Pub could open carry or conceal carry here, I know some UK police can, but after 55 years on this Earth, the only armed police I've seen were on the Nuclear installations I've work on.
Having said that, even normalos can go postal, Michael Ryan (Hungerford) and the Dunblane Massacre. But we've done something about it, not said it's our constitution and a right from ages ago.
Last thing I want is a gun, why want one? Penis extension? Who actually wants to own a gun, I mean why, it's just stupid.
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after 55 years on this Earth, the only armed police I've seen were on the Nuclear installations I've work on.
In the Yorkshire moors is Menwith Hill, they used to have armed American soldiers there guarding the perimeter (I haven't been near for years so dunno about now). Also at Manchester Airport you sometimes see rozzers with some kind of machine gun. Outside the US Embassy in London used to be armed cops too. Probably still are.
Who actually wants to own a gun, I mean why, it's just stupid.
Actually I'd quite like to have one. Only really for the "what if" time that might never happen. But I don't want one enough to go through the malarkey to legally own one, nor am I keen about an illegal one. So I never bothered.
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Actually I'd quite like to have one. Only really for the "what if" time that might never happen. But I don't want one enough to go through the malarkey to legally own one, nor am I keen about an illegal one. So I never bothered.
Come visit me and we can go through a couple hundred rounds of 45cal and 9mm pistol ammunition.
My nephew reloads as a hobby. Gives me a good rate; $150 for 500 rounds
The 1911 Colt 45 cal is definitely a "mans pistol"
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Not so in the US. Any Bud, Chuck or Hank with the IQ of roadkill can get one, get drunk, and go waving it around the local cinema/college/shopping mall, etc.
That's a bit of an exaggeration
(:)
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Actually I'd quite like to have one. Only really for the "what if" time that might never happen. But I don't want one enough to go through the malarkey to legally own one, nor am I keen about an illegal one. So I never bothered.
Come visit me and we can go through a couple hundred rounds of 45cal and 9mm pistol ammunition.
I am pretty alright at clay pigeon shooting, and always meant to get round to a day in a firing range in either Estonia, Russia or the US. When the US is back on the travel radar, I may well do that.
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Not so in the US. Any Bud, Chuck or Hank with the IQ of roadkill can get one, get drunk, and go waving it around the local cinema/college/shopping mall, etc.
That's a bit of an exaggeration
(:)
Well it isnt really as that is exactly what happens. You will have seen the trailer park stuff in Ohio this week I expect. Every few weeks in the US is a mass shooting of some kind. I doubt its all sober people with PHDs doing it, y'know?
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On the subject of War, "If" the US ever went to war with the Brits , and they both had the same amount of guys on each side, the British would win hands down!!
100 times more professional than the lot over the pond ;D And they are not so easy to surrender !
Put any US soldiers against professional soldiers and they usually will surrender :laugh: Remember as they have done several times in Iran. Always ends in tears...
They are only used to shooting little brown men... :laugh:
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Well it isnt really as that is exactly what happens. You will have seen the trailer park stuff in Ohio this week I expect. Every few weeks in the US is a mass shooting of some kind. I doubt its all sober people with PHDs doing it, y'know?
(:)
Quite an exaggeration actually . . . . . . . ..
The "incident" you mention is about 35 miles from my office. It was an "execution" by the Mexican mafia sending a message for people who were growing pot locally.
Gun purchase rules vary by state.
in Ohio, to carry a handgun in public you have to take and pass a "concealed carry" course. We can do that too if you want. It may be valid in England. Background checks are done for all store sales with a 3-day waiting period. I'm not sure about gun show purchases.
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Put any US soldiers against professional soldiers and they usually will surrender :laugh: Remember as they have done several times in Iran. Always ends in tears...
Elite soldiers are in a class of their own, regardless of country.
British Commandos? Definitely elite.
US Navy Seals? Same thing.
Russian Naval Spetsnaz? Same thing.
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Criminal record and police check as is done in the UK is alright with me. I recall here metal locked cabinets is a must, and not sure about now but in the past a rozzer used to visit the house to see if you was a nutter see if you complied with the regs. The result mostly was that responsible, law abiding and sensible people had guns.
I was given my first shot gun - a 410 for my 13th birthday by my uncle Dennis who had a farm in the peak district. He taught me to shoot. Went out at dawn shooting rabbits for the pot and any fox we came across ;D
As an adult I went rabbiting but the best sport was rough shooting for pheasant and grouse. I hate organized grouse shoots as a lad I was beating with my dog and a drunk shot him... If you want target practice shoot clays :thumbsup:
I have also hunted deer in Scotland.
I had a gun license for 20+ years and the regulations went tighter and tighter. At the start you could hang a working gun on the wall, then you had to have a gun cabinet, then a gun safe and interviews by your GP. Now I don't think you can keep a rifle at home in UK.
I have a gun cabinet now in our bedroom closet. My wife is a military brat and a better shot than me. I still hunt and hope to go to Kamchatka year after next.
The point is that you can NEVER stop criminals and nutters getting guns. If they are persistent enough they will find a way. Poor gun control is another matter. Everyone should be properly trained. Guns should NEVER be kept where kids can get them. However this is easier said than done.
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So where's the well regulated militia?
That's the line trotted out by apologists unable to read or think.
If there WAS a well regulated militia, which inherently means training and discipline, and the only folks carrying weapons were members of that militia, then, maybe, just maybe matters might be better.
But USAians don't, any longer, live an agrarian peasant lifestyle, eating what they shot and killing off redskins. There's no militia and thus no 'well regulated' either.
Maybe the US DOES need a well regulated militia, but until such time the one side of the equation nullifies the other. No guns for you sonny.
Let us make it easy for USAians: Anyone who thinks that the line you spouted applies to today's situation is, by dint of lack of intelligence and knowledge, demonstrably, not capable of owning and using a firearm.
Show us where to find the well regulated militia - boy!
Another foolish post from some guy living in Estonia. If you were here in the USA and knew certain people and you had certain skills you would know exactly where the militia's are. Most states have a few of them.
Beyond that handguns and rifles, even assault weapons, are a way of life in the USA. You UKian's seem to think we care much about your opinions. We don't, but I have no doubt you will be begging us for military assistance the next time you get yourself in trouble, again.
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Criminal record and police check as is done in the UK is alright with me. I recall here metal locked cabinets is a must, and not sure about now but in the past a rozzer used to visit the house to see if you was a nutter see if you complied with the regs. The result mostly was that responsible, law abiding and sensible people had guns.
I was given my first shot gun - a 410 for my 13th birthday by my uncle Dennis who had a farm in the peak district. He taught me to shoot. Went out at dawn shooting rabbits for the pot and any fox we came across ;D
As an adult I went rabbiting but the best sport was rough shooting for pheasant and grouse. I hate organized grouse shoots as a lad I was beating with my dog and a drunk shot him... If you want target practice shoot clays :thumbsup:
I have also hunted deer in Scotland.
I had a gun license for 20+ years and the regulations went tighter and tighter. At the start you could hang a working gun on the wall, then you had to have a gun cabinet, then a gun safe and interviews by your GP. Now I don't think you can keep a rifle at home in UK.
I have a gun cabinet now in our bedroom closet. My wife is a military brat and a better shot than me. I still hunt and hope to go to Kamchatka year after next.
The point is that you can NEVER stop criminals and nutters getting guns. If they are persistent enough they will find a way. Poor gun control is another matter. Everyone should be properly trained. Guns should NEVER be kept where kids can get them. However this is easier said than done.
Great post. :thumbsup:
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On the subject of War, "If" the US ever went to war with the Brits , and they both had the same amount of guys on each side, the British would win hands down!!
100 times more professional than the lot over the pond ;D And they are not so easy to surrender !
Put any US soldiers against professional soldiers and they usually will surrender :laugh: Remember as they have done several times in Iran. Always ends in tears...
They are only used to shooting little brown men... :laugh:
The last time you Brits went up against Americans Andrew Jackson and his mixed bunch beat what was supposed to be highly trained Brits. You had something like 2 to one odds over us and we kicked your asses. After that you learned your lesson.
http://www.history.com/topics/battle-of-new-orleans
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Actually I'd quite like to have one. Only really for the "what if" time that might never happen. But I don't want one enough to go through the malarkey to legally own one, nor am I keen about an illegal one. So I never bothered.
Come visit me and we can go through a couple hundred rounds of 45cal and 9mm pistol ammunition.
I am pretty alright at clay pigeon shooting, and always meant to get round to a day in a firing range in either Estonia, Russia or the US. When the US is back on the travel radar, I may well do that.
When you stop hating on America I suspect you and your family are going to retire to Florida, not Moscow. :ROFL:
Join a local firing range and take some gun safety classes; you will be welcomed and learn to appreciate our gun culture.
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Seriously though, what would actually happen if guns became illegal in USA?
1. People would feel aggrieved they can't have a gun anymore easily.
2. Loads less innocent people/children etc would get killed/murdered.
3. Would go against some ancient constitutional right based on 18th century dogma.
Surely 2. outweighs 1. and 3. many times over?
Obvs I'm missing something.
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Actually I'd quite like to have one. Only really for the "what if" time that might never happen. But I don't want one enough to go through the malarkey to legally own one, nor am I keen about an illegal one. So I never bothered.
Come visit me and we can go through a couple hundred rounds of 45cal and 9mm pistol ammunition.
I am pretty alright at clay pigeon shooting, and always meant to get round to a day in a firing range in either Estonia, Russia or the US. When the US is back on the travel radar, I may well do that.
When you stop hating on America I suspect you and your family are going to retire to Florida, not Moscow. :ROFL:
Join a local firing range and take some gun safety classes; you will be welcomed and learn to appreciate our gun culture.
Wifey and I were talking recently about if we would want to grow old here. It'll be alright for a few years yet, but on the whole its going to the dogs. We want to visit Oz. Interesting as a few friends have relocated there already. Brits seem to be fleeing en masse to Oz right now. Gotta go and have a look and see what all the fuss is about I guess. But after Oz, Canada and the US are the usual places Brits relocate to (discounting those relocating in Europe). Those 3 are the "go to" places because of language. But I wouldn't rule out Russia, Estonia or China either.
I could manage alright in FL, wifey likes FL but sees herself as more of a CA girl. :chuckle:
Its hard to say when we are looking a decade into the future. Right now I'd say UK, Oz and FL are equal contenders. But looking forward who knows what the US$, AU$, Rouble or the Yuan might do? Or what political situation might arise? Much depends on personal £, health and other factors. But yes, you might well find me at some FL shooting range as a resident yet. Never say never. I've never hated the US; just what is done in its name.
If you have some money and local help, you can live alright anywhere.
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Actually I'd quite like to have one. Only really for the "what if" time that might never happen. But I don't want one enough to go through the malarkey to legally own one, nor am I keen about an illegal one. So I never bothered.
Come visit me and we can go through a couple hundred rounds of 45cal and 9mm pistol ammunition.
I am pretty alright at clay pigeon shooting, and always meant to get round to a day in a firing range in either Estonia, Russia or the US. When the US is back on the travel radar, I may well do that.
When you stop hating on America I suspect you and your family are going to retire to Florida, not Moscow. :ROFL:
Join a local firing range and take some gun safety classes; you will be welcomed and learn to appreciate our gun culture.
Wifey and I were talking recently about if we would want to grow old here. It'll be alright for a few years yet, but on the whole its going to the dogs. We want to visit Oz. Interesting as a few friends have relocated there already. Brits seem to be fleeing en masse to Oz right now. Gotta go and have a look and see what all the fuss is about I guess. But after Oz, Canada and the US are the usual places Brits relocate to (discounting those relocating in Europe). Those 3 are the "go to" places because of language. But I wouldn't rule out Russia, Estonia or China either.
I could manage alright in FL, wifey likes FL but sees herself as more of a CA girl. :chuckle:
Its hard to say when we are looking a decade into the future. Right now I'd say UK, Oz and FL are equal contenders. But looking forward who knows what the $, Rouble or the Yuan might do? Or what political situation might arise? Much depends on personal £, health and other factors. But yes, you might well find me at some FL shooting range as a resident yet. Never say never. I've never hated the US; just what is done in its name.
I like the gulf of Mexico side of Florida myself and might buy a condo there someday. California was awesome in the past but now it's overpriced and the crime is pretty bad in some areas. You just have to know what areas to avoid. Still love it and hope to be there later this summer. I was born in California -- native son.
As far as gun rights go in California its nearly impossible to get a concealed carry permit and you can't carry a loaded handgun in your car although all the gangs are loaded to the gills with guns.
As long as you follow the law (handgun locked in a case in the trunk -- not loaded) you can go to plenty of firing ranges in California and enjoy target practice.
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Seriously though, what would actually happen if guns became illegal in USA?
1. People would feel aggrieved they can't have a gun anymore easily.
2. Loads less innocent people/children etc would get killed/murdered.
3. Would go against some ancient constitutional right based on 18th century dogma.
Surely 2. outweighs 1. and 3. many times over?
Obvs I'm missing something.
You were not raised in a culture where guns are a natural part of your life so you're not comfortable with them. I started firing my brothers 22 caliber rifle when I was 10 years old at a local outdoor firing area which was essentially an abandoned quarry. It's a different way of life -- if you had been raised in the country or a small town over here it would be second nature for you.
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Seriously though, what would actually happen if guns became illegal in USA?
1. People would feel aggrieved they can't have a gun anymore easily.
2. Loads less innocent people/children etc would get killed/murdered.
3. Would go against some ancient constitutional right based on 18th century dogma.
Surely 2. outweighs 1. and 3. many times over?
Obvs I'm missing something.
You were not raised in a culture where guns are a natural part of your life so you're not comfortable with them. I started firing my brothers 22 caliber rifle when I was 8 years old at a local outdoor firing area which was essentially an abandoned quarry. It's a different way of life -- if you had been raised in the country or a small town over here it would be second nature for you.
That isnt quite right. Even as young kids we had air rifles (I am sure Ste did too). We used to trundle off at 11 years old and shoot stuff in the local park. We all used to take them to bits and buy extra springs and later gas canisters to make them even better. But we never used to shoot each other.
Anyone who is near a rural area is likely familiar with twin bore shot guns. If we didn't have them, we knew someone who did, and got to use them sometime. I can drive maybe 5 miles into the hills near where we live and clay pigeon shoot any Sunday for maybe $50 inc ammo. But we don't shoot each other.
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AFAIK if you want to relocate at an age as a Brit outside EU you need 7 figures to facilitate it, don't do Oz, if it's so wonderful why do most of them come over here on WHM/YMS visas and try to stay perm? Plus the spiders are huge, a lot in my industry have done their equiv. of working holiday visa (under 30's only) in Oz and enjoyed it as an experience, but not to live there...
Why not relocate to RU if it's so wonderful?
I :censored: in' wouldn't that's for sure lol!! Much as I love it, not a nice place to get ill and die. Neither is USA unless you've no pre-existing conditions, as I have, and as have most 50+'s have.
Makes you appreciate the NHS (Labour invention) more and more when you work abroad, even the fkn Irish NHS charges you 45 Euro for visiting the GP, every time, I know, cost a fortune cos I had my defib shortly before working there and that's supposed to be free.
As you get old you get ill, and it costs....
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Seriously though, what would actually happen if guns became illegal in USA?
1. People would feel aggrieved they can't have a gun anymore easily.
2. Loads less innocent people/children etc would get killed/murdered.
3. Would go against some ancient constitutional right based on 18th century dogma.
Surely 2. outweighs 1. and 3. many times over?
Obvs I'm missing something.
You were not raised in a culture where guns are a natural part of your life so you're not comfortable with them. I started firing my brothers 22 caliber rifle when I was 8 years old at a local outdoor firing area which was essentially an abandoned quarry. It's a different way of life -- if you had been raised in the country or a small town over here it would be second nature for you.
That isnt quite right. Even as young kids we had air rifles (I am sure Ste did too). We used to trundle off at 11 years old and shoot stuff in the local park. We all used to take them to bits and buy extra springs and later gas canisters to make them even better. But we never used to shoot each other.
Anyone who is near a rural area is likely familiar with twin bore shot guns. If we didn't have them, we knew someone who did, and got to use them sometime. I can drive maybe 5 miles into the hills near where we live and clay pigeon shoot any Sunday for maybe $50 inc ammo. But we don't shoot each other.
My brother shot a girl in the eye area with a pellet gun, circa 1975 in our backyard, didn't mean to, bounced off the wall, didn't blind her but even now we talk about it like it was a serious crime!
We used to have spud guns, are they firearms?
Happy days, attempting to maim each other without the proper weapons....
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Seriously though, what would actually happen if guns became illegal in USA?
1. People would feel aggrieved they can't have a gun anymore easily.
2. Loads less innocent people/children etc would get killed/murdered.
3. Would go against some ancient constitutional right based on 18th century dogma.
Surely 2. outweighs 1. and 3. many times over?
Obvs I'm missing something.
You were not raised in a culture where guns are a natural part of your life so you're not comfortable with them. I started firing my brothers 22 caliber rifle when I was 8 years old at a local outdoor firing area which was essentially an abandoned quarry. It's a different way of life -- if you had been raised in the country or a small town over here it would be second nature for you.
That isnt quite right. Even as young kids we had air rifles (I am sure Ste did too). We used to trundle off at 11 years old and shoot stuff in the local park. We all used to take them to bits and buy extra springs and later gas canisters to make them even better. But we never used to shoot each other.
Anyone who is near a rural area is likely familiar with twin bore shot guns. If we didn't have them, we knew someone who did, and got to use them sometime. I can drive maybe 5 miles into the hills near where we live and clay pigeon shoot any Sunday for maybe $50 inc ammo. But we don't shoot each other.
You are barking up the wrong tree, again.
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Well it isnt really as that is exactly what happens. You will have seen the trailer park stuff in Ohio this week I expect. Every few weeks in the US is a mass shooting of some kind. I doubt its all sober people with PHDs doing it, y'know?
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Quite an exaggeration actually . . . . . . . ..
The "incident" you mention is about 35 miles from my office. It was an "execution" by the Mexican mafia sending a message for people who were growing pot locally.
There's you admitting the destructive power of the Mexican drug cartels over life in the USA and yet you don't like Trump. Truly bizarre.
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Well it isnt really as that is exactly what happens. You will have seen the trailer park stuff in Ohio this week I expect. Every few weeks in the US is a mass shooting of some kind. I doubt its all sober people with PHDs doing it, y'know?
(:)
Quite an exaggeration actually . . . . . . . ..
The "incident" you mention is about 35 miles from my office. It was an "execution" by the Mexican mafia sending a message for people who were growing pot locally.
There's you admitting the destructive power of the Mexican drug cartels over life in the USA and yet you don't like Trump. Truly bizarre.
No response Shakespear? Still want an open borders Globalist like John Kasich? :coffeeread:
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There's you admitting the destructive power of the Mexican drug cartels over life in the USA and yet you don't like Trump. Truly bizarre.
No. I'm not shedding any tears when criminals are violent towards other criminals.
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There's you admitting the destructive power of the Mexican drug cartels over life in the USA and yet you don't like Trump. Truly bizarre.
No. I'm not shedding any tears when criminals are violent towards other criminals.
A 16 year old boy was murdered as well. It goes much beyond this though, it's the poison that Mexican drug cartels are bringing in to this country and getting young people addicted. Were you aware they will try to get young boys as young as 13 years old addicted to free marijuana (it's only free at first) and after their addicts move them on to other hard drugs. Hardly something that a good citizen would not be concerned about.
Marijuana damages the central nervous system of adolescents, but they then try to hook them on meth and even Heroine eventually.
But you're shedding no tears for the future of America so it appears.
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There's you admitting the destructive power of the Mexican drug cartels over life in the USA and yet you don't like Trump. Truly bizarre.
No. I'm not shedding any tears when criminals are violent towards other criminals.
A 16 year old boy was murdered as well. It goes much beyond this though, it's the poison that Mexican drug cartels are bringing in to this country and getting young people addicted. Were you aware they will try to get young boys as young as 13 years old addicted to free marijuana (it's only free at first) and after their addicts move them on to other hard drugs. Hardly something that a good citizen would not be concerned about.
Marijuana damages the central nervous system of adolescents, but they then try to hook them on meth and even Heroine eventually.
But you're shedding no tears for the future of America so it appears.
Speaking of Mexican Drugs Terrorists and Meth... how to deal with a meth head who breaks into your home:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/05/01/he-started-crying-like-a-little-baby-11-year-old-brags-about-shooting-suspected-home-invader/
Ironic 11 year olds in the USA have more self defense sense than every munt and mangina in the UK and Europa...
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There's you admitting the destructive power of the Mexican drug cartels over life in the USA and yet you don't like Trump. Truly bizarre.
No. I'm not shedding any tears when criminals are violent towards other criminals.
A 16 year old boy was murdered as well. It goes much beyond this though, it's the poison that Mexican drug cartels are bringing in to this country and getting young people addicted. Were you aware they will try to get young boys as young as 13 years old addicted to free marijuana (it's only free at first) and after their addicts move them on to other hard drugs. Hardly something that a good citizen would not be concerned about.
Marijuana damages the central nervous system of adolescents, but they then try to hook them on meth and even Heroine eventually.
But you're shedding no tears for the future of America so it appears.
Speaking of Mexican Drugs Terrorists and Meth... how to deal with a meth head who breaks into your home:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/05/01/he-started-crying-like-a-little-baby-11-year-old-brags-about-shooting-suspected-home-invader/
Ironic 11 year olds in the USA have more self defense sense than every munt and mangina in the UK and Europa...
And we wonder why USA jumps in to war situations at the drop of hat, this sort of conditioning breeds conflict and instills the desire at a young age to kill or maim people.
Can you not see it?
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There's you admitting the destructive power of the Mexican drug cartels over life in the USA and yet you don't like Trump. Truly bizarre.
No. I'm not shedding any tears when criminals are violent towards other criminals.
A 16 year old boy was murdered as well. It goes much beyond this though, it's the poison that Mexican drug cartels are bringing in to this country and getting young people addicted. Were you aware they will try to get young boys as young as 13 years old addicted to free marijuana (it's only free at first) and after their addicts move them on to other hard drugs. Hardly something that a good citizen would not be concerned about.
Marijuana damages the central nervous system of adolescents, but they then try to hook them on meth and even Heroine eventually.
But you're shedding no tears for the future of America so it appears.
Speaking of Mexican Drugs Terrorists and Meth... how to deal with a meth head who breaks into your home:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/05/01/he-started-crying-like-a-little-baby-11-year-old-brags-about-shooting-suspected-home-invader/
Ironic 11 year olds in the USA have more self defense sense than every munt and mangina in the UK and Europa...
And we wonder why USA jumps in to war situations at the drop of hat, this sort of conditioning breeds conflict and instills the desire at a young age to kill or maim people.
Can you not see it?
Amazing how they have bred testosterone out of the Euromanginas.
Strange how the Viking genetics of discovery and conquest that subdued the savage natives of the world and then brought civilization and light where there was only chaos and darkness have become extinct.
Training young men willing to fight for their countries is why there will never be Sharia law in the Americas unlike Eurabia and UKshariastan.
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There's you admitting the destructive power of the Mexican drug cartels over life in the USA and yet you don't like Trump. Truly bizarre.
No. I'm not shedding any tears when criminals are violent towards other criminals.
A 16 year old boy was murdered as well. It goes much beyond this though, it's the poison that Mexican drug cartels are bringing in to this country and getting young people addicted. Were you aware they will try to get young boys as young as 13 years old addicted to free marijuana (it's only free at first) and after their addicts move them on to other hard drugs. Hardly something that a good citizen would not be concerned about.
Marijuana damages the central nervous system of adolescents, but they then try to hook them on meth and even Heroine eventually.
But you're shedding no tears for the future of America so it appears.
Speaking of Mexican Drugs Terrorists and Meth... how to deal with a meth head who breaks into your home:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/05/01/he-started-crying-like-a-little-baby-11-year-old-brags-about-shooting-suspected-home-invader/
Ironic 11 year olds in the USA have more self defense sense than every munt and mangina in the UK and Europa...
And we wonder why USA jumps in to war situations at the drop of hat, this sort of conditioning breeds conflict and instills the desire at a young age to kill or maim people.
Can you not see it?
Amazing how they have bred testosterone out of the Euromanginas.
Strange how the Viking genetics of discovery and conquest that subdued the savage natives of the world and then brought civilization and light where there was only chaos and darkness have become extinct.
Having young men willing to get slaughtered for no reason is why there will never be Sharia law in the Americas like there isn't in Eurabia and UKshariastan.
World has moved on. Accept it. General Cheeseburger is dead.
PS, FTFY...
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Creeping Sharia: The ISLAMIZATION of the WEST
Diversity DESTROYS Social Cohesion in the West
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^ Keep dreaming Ste. The World is likely to get more violent, not less. Go ahead and put your safety and security in the hands of others. Your choice. :coffeeread:
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My brother shot a girl in the eye area with a pellet gun, circa 1975 in our backyard, didn't mean to, bounced off the wall, didn't blind her but even now we talk about it like it was a serious crime!
As teenage boys we used to have bb gun fights. Wearing only sneakers, gym shorts and shop-style safety glasses, we'd shoot at each other. It would certainly sting when you got hit.
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My brother shot a girl in the eye area with a pellet gun, circa 1975 in our backyard, didn't mean to, bounced off the wall, didn't blind her but even now we talk about it like it was a serious crime!
As teenage boys we used to have bb gun fights. Wearing only sneakers, gym shorts and shop-style safety glasses, we'd shoot at each other. It would certainly sting when you got hit.
Real bullets also Sting when they hit.. :laugh:
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Real bullets also Sting when they hit.. :laugh:
Is that what the hip kids call it these days?
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My brother shot a girl in the eye area with a pellet gun, circa 1975 in our backyard, didn't mean to, bounced off the wall, didn't blind her but even now we talk about it like it was a serious crime!
As teenage boys we used to have bb gun fights. Wearing only sneakers, gym shorts and shop-style safety glasses, we'd shoot at each other. It would certainly sting when you got hit.
With my son we had paintball fights, if you had incorrect clothing and got hit it was a mega hickey. As bad as a squash ball. We had full face masks and padded clothing.
In fact it was sort of fun.
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Was a wild weekend in Chicago,you would think there was a war going on.
Memorial Day weekend closes with 69 shot in Chicago, many of them on West Side
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-87395654/
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Was a wild weekend in Chicago,you would think there was a war going on.
Memorial Day weekend closes with 69 shot in Chicago, many of them on West Side
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-87395654/
More or less it is a war. But hey, black lives matter. :sick0012:
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Was a wild weekend in Chicago,you would think there was a war going on.
Memorial Day weekend closes with 69 shot in Chicago, many of them on West Side
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-87395654/
Chicago a.k.a Chiraq is the heart and Soul of the Obamanation.
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Was a wild weekend in Chicago,you would think there was a war going on.
Memorial Day weekend closes with 69 shot in Chicago, many of them on West Side
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-87395654/
Chicago a.k.a Chiraq is the heart and Soul of the Obamanation.
What a lovely part of the world. I'm heading up the Scottish west coast for a long weekend, need to keep an eye out for those bloody midges!! :censored:
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Score keeps rising there. Six dead at last count.
It is safer to be in Afghanistan.
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The US is full of retardation..
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wired-success/201407/anti-intellectualism-and-the-dumbing-down-america
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Interesting piece and mentions issues that I face with my work. How to get won't readers to read, or how to climb down to their level with video.
His point about profit from this process relates to the content issue. The cost of creating and posting a worthwhile page of written content with illustrations is about $50. Creating the same value in video costs many times more. This cost creates a barrier to entry that serves to keep voices from being heard. This trend is only getting started but soon most information will be visual rather than read.
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And here we go again......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36429661 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36429661)
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And here we go again......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36429661 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36429661)
Surely now it's time for a rethink? This is getting silly...
Two men are dead, including a gunman, following a shooting at the University of California, Los Angeles, police say.
Investigators do not believe there are any outstanding suspects and a lockdown has been lifted.
The two dead were found inside a small office in an engineering building. Neither has been identified.
A gun was also recovered from the scene, LA police chief Charlie Beck told reporters.
"A homicide and a suicide occurred," he said.
"It appears to be entirely contained... There are no suspects outstanding and no continuing threat to UCLA's campus.
"[There is] evidence there there could be a suicide note but we don't know at this point."
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And here we go again......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36429661 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36429661)
Surely now it's time for a rethink? This is getting silly...
Two men are dead, including a gunman, following a shooting at the University of California, Los Angeles, police say.
Investigators do not believe there are any outstanding suspects and a lockdown has been lifted.
The two dead were found inside a small office in an engineering building. Neither has been identified.
A gun was also recovered from the scene, LA police chief Charlie Beck told reporters.
"A homicide and a suicide occurred," he said.
"It appears to be entirely contained... There are no suspects outstanding and no continuing threat to UCLA's campus.
"[There is] evidence there there could be a suicide note but we don't know at this point."
Anteros (or whichever alias he's now using) will be along shortly. Blaming the Muslims in the UK for this and the weak Men of Europe etc.
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I agree with you boys but its a fruitless debate to start. All the evidence you could wish for keeps coming in on a daily basis yet its us Europeans who don't get it. I read some of detail of the Chicago shootings and there were poor blokes just sitting in their car outside their grans house or whatever.......and they get their brains blown out.
Sad.
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This cropped up on my Twitter feed today.
Very sad I thought that a bunch of brainless idiots with guns kill an animal for no reason at all than pleasure, then drape their flag all over it with some sort of pride, and pose for a photo. :(
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Are these an example of the the brave and valiant veterans and patriots we keep hearing about? The ones from the home of the "brave" we are asked to admire?
I just searched the image to make sure its not fake and it isnt: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/6565554/Got-a-spare-80K-Why-not-spend-it-on-shooting-a-rhino.html
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This cropped up on my Twitter feed today.
Very sad I thought that a bunch of brainless idiots with guns kill an animal for no reason at all than pleasure, then drape their flag all over it with some sort of pride, and pose for a photo. :(
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Are these an example of the the brave and valiant veterans and patriots we keep hearing about? The ones from the home of the "brave" we are asked to admire?
I just searched the image to make sure its not fake and it isnt: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/6565554/Got-a-spare-80K-Why-not-spend-it-on-shooting-a-rhino.html
Bunch of complete kuntz.
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And here we go again......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36429661 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36429661)
Surely now it's time for a rethink? This is getting silly...
Two men are dead, including a gunman, following a shooting at the University of California, Los Angeles, police say.
Investigators do not believe there are any outstanding suspects and a lockdown has been lifted.
The two dead were found inside a small office in an engineering building. Neither has been identified.
A gun was also recovered from the scene, LA police chief Charlie Beck told reporters.
"A homicide and a suicide occurred," he said.
"It appears to be entirely contained... There are no suspects outstanding and no continuing threat to UCLA's campus.
"[There is] evidence there there could be a suicide note but we don't know at this point."
MORE GUNS! it's the answer to everything of course :chuckle:
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More shootings at a club this time..
Barack Obama was briefed on the shooting by his counterterrorism aide this morning and a White House statement said: "Our thoughts and prayers are with the families and loved ones of the victims."
Surely he must be getting tired of saying those words now??
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And a female artist was gunned down by a lunatic, he commited suicide right after.
More guns obviously... The artist shouldve had one so she could have blown away the perp.
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CBS NEWS ALERT... OMAR MATEEN CALLED 911 and PLEDGED ALLEGIANCE to ISIS and further mentioned the Boston Marathon Bombers the Tsarnaev Brothers... then when on a Sharia rage fueled massacre in an LGBTQ night club 10 miles from the Magic Kingdom.
The coincidence with the call for Ramadan Radical Islamist Terrorist Acts Worldwide is just too stark not to take seriously.
Trump is RIGHT again - no more Islamists until they are ALL vetted here for their Allegiances to America or is it to Sharia and global Caliphate intending to overthrow of the USA. ... if the latter they get expunged from the USA.
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This cropped up on my Twitter feed today.
Very sad I thought that a bunch of brainless idiots with guns kill an animal for no reason at all than pleasure
I think Palmer was an exception, but fairly typically the animals--at least the endangered ones--are those that are going to be culled anyway, thus either a park ranger is going to shoot them, or some tourist-hunter is going to shoot them, with the former, the result is: dead animal, with the later: dead animal plus thousands of dollars/euro for further conservation efforts (and probably some graft also).
While this sort of thing doesn't appeal to me personally, I can see why the latter option might be better, in total.
B/B
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Just saying...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/36527250/there-have-been-93-us-gun-related-deaths-in-72-hours-not-including-orlando
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In the United States Death by gunshot is, for many age cohorts one of the most common causes of death, running at around second or third.
Whilst the grim reaper will get us all, there's one thing true of gunshot deaths: all are needless, all are avoidable and all are premature.
President Trump goes on about banning Muslims from the United States, perhaps it'd be more productive for the world if, instead, he banned Americans from the rest of the world. Benefits to the United States would be the same but civilisation would be a much safer place.
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In the United States Death by gunshot is, for many age cohorts one of the most common causes of death, running at around second or third.
Whilst the grim reaper will get us all, there's one thing true of gunshot deaths: all are needless, all are avoidable and all are premature.
President Trump goes on about banning Muslims from the United States, perhaps it'd be more productive for the world if, instead, he banned Americans from the rest of the world. Benefits to the United States would be the same but civilisation would be a much safer place.
And from America.. :ROFL:
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President Trump
He is not a President.
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President Trump goes on about banning Muslims from the United States, perhaps it'd be more productive for the world if, instead, he banned Americans from the rest of the world.
Quote of the week tiphat
Nearly spat my coffee out laughing :ROFL: funny but so very true!!
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President Trump
He is not a President.
You think? :'(
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President Trump
He is not a President.
You think? :'(
If he continues to concentrate on the fears (Islamic terrorism/migration) of an already exceptionally paranoid nation, you'd have to think Hillary has got 2 chances - slim and none!
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Team Trump is doing a masterful job of framing the discussions and topics. Even his opponents are forced into accepting his framing so that they end up arguing about his topics and on his terms. Team Clinton has no real idea, or so it seems, of how to take the discussion to his door.
Watch this video and then think about his Tweet about her health:
"'Hillary doesn't have the strength or stamina to be president, Bill's a hypocrite and Jeb's a low energy "stiff"' CLICK HERE! (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3382401/Hillary-doesn-t-strength-stamina-president-Bill-s-hypocrite-Jeb-s-low-energy-stiff-Trump-lets-rip-vicious-Twitter-spell-2016.html#ixzz4BdcyG5py)
To get an idea of what I mean about framing narrative, consider this poll run on Twitter:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/da/9b/6a/da9b6ab4ec67ef29727e59b995de012b.jpg)
People are getting accustomed t the idea of restricting access to the US based upon religion. Now it is something that Clinton is going to have to create a position upon and against a backdrop where his idea is becoming mainstream acceptable.
And, yes, something else from Scott Adams: CLICK HERE! (http://) This article is worth reading, especially for those who have water lapping around their knees. Written months ago, December 2015, it discusses Trump's persuasion techniques. Read it today in the light of recent events in the United States and then get back to me as to why it is that Trump is not going to succeed in his presidential run.
Basically, Scott is pointing out the techniques that Trump is using, identifies some of the triggers and your own news/entertainment media consumption will tell you just how effective Team Trump's marketing is being.
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Team Trump is doing a masterful job of framing the discussions and topics. Even his opponents are forced into accepting his framing so that they end up arguing about his topics and on his terms. Team Clinton has no real idea, or so it seems, of how to take the discussion to his door.
Watch this video and then think about his Tweet about her health:
"'Hillary doesn't have the strength or stamina to be president, Bill's a hypocrite and Jeb's a low energy "stiff"' CLICK HERE! (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3382401/Hillary-doesn-t-strength-stamina-president-Bill-s-hypocrite-Jeb-s-low-energy-stiff-Trump-lets-rip-vicious-Twitter-spell-2016.html#ixzz4BdcyG5py)
To get an idea of what I mean about framing narrative, consider this poll run on Twitter:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/da/9b/6a/da9b6ab4ec67ef29727e59b995de012b.jpg)
People are getting accustomed t the idea of restricting access to the US based upon religion. Now it is something that Clinton is going to have to create a position upon and against a backdrop where his idea is becoming mainstream acceptable.
And, yes, something else from Scott Adams: CLICK HERE! (http://) This article is worth reading, especially for those who have water lapping around their knees. Written months ago, December 2015, it discusses Trump's persuasion techniques. Read it today in the light of recent events in the United States and then get back to me as to why it is that Trump is not going to succeed in his presidential run.
Basically, Scott is pointing out the techniques that Trump is using, identifies some of the triggers and your own news/entertainment media consumption will tell you just how effective Team Trump's marketing is being.
And that is 78% agree with Trump while the global pro-Islamist Media squashed this horrific ISIS crime against humanity and in particular young women and girls:
http://www.returnofkings.com/88634/islam-pass-feminists-and-world-leaders-silent-as-isis-burns-alive-child-sex-slaves
Islam Pass: Feminists And World Leaders Silent As ISIS Burns Alive Child Sex Slaves
What can I say ... you UK & EU Sharia Londonstani and Germanistan islamists lovers with your WakiPaki Mayor of London are all so phocked... I can't even imagine what is worse 1,500 Rotherham WakiPaki grooming rapes of caucasian girls - or ISIS Roasting them alive in a freaking cage.
While the liberal feminist media rages about zoo animals, so-called assault weapons, homophobia and Trump daring to suggest that people from countries with a history of terrorism <and roasting girls> against the USA should not be given visas or entry to the USA or allied countries.
At least the inquisition only burned one heretic at the stake at a time.
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The banned kinder eggs ??
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In the United States Death by gunshot is, for many age cohorts one of the most common causes of death, running at around second or third.
Whilst the grim reaper will get us all, there's one thing true of gunshot deaths: all are needless, all are avoidable and all are premature.
President Trump goes on about banning Muslims from the United States, perhaps it'd be more productive for the world if, instead, he banned Americans from the rest of the world. Benefits to the United States would be the same but civilisation would be a much safer place.
LOL So says the proud standard bearer of the literal Bloody British Empire.
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Were just planning a few weeks holiday in the US early next year :plane:
Im just wondering about the shoot first ask questions later policy. For example if cop should pull us over , I shoot him first and ask questions later?
I don't want to come back in a coffin...
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I don't want to come back in a coffin...
Then I would advise leaving those Kinda eggs at home Steve :)
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I'm just wondering about the shoot first ask questions later policy. For example if cop should pull us over , I shoot him first and ask questions later?
Going back 20+ years now when I was living in the Bay area of San Francisco. I got pulled over for speeding on the freeway by the highway patrol. The officer came over, i wound down the window and he demanded my papers (Insurance, license etc.) I reached over to open the glove box to retrieve them. Bad move! Next second I have a gun in my face, am bundled out of the car, spreadeagled face down on the highway with my hands handcuffed behind my back...
The other cop opened the glove box and found it only contained the cars documents and a bag of M&M's. A surreal conversation followed, with trucks hurtling by my prone body with inches to spare. I got a lecture about gun safety and speeding but they did not issue a ticket. Needless to say when I was pulled over again, I got out of the car with my hands in plain sight. If they asked for documents I told them where they were.
Different rules apply in a country where most citizens are armed.
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I'm just wondering about the shoot first ask questions later policy. For example if cop should pull us over , I shoot him first and ask questions later?
Going back 20+ years now when I was living in the Bay area of San Francisco. I got pulled over for speeding on the freeway by the highway patrol. The officer came over, i wound down the window and he demanded my papers (Insurance, license etc.) I reached over to open the glove box to retrieve them. Bad move! Next second I have a gun in my face, am bundled out of the car, spreadeagled face down on the highway with my hands handcuffed behind my back...
The other cop opened the glove box and found it only contained the cars documents and a bag of M&M's. A surreal conversation followed, with trucks hurtling by my prone body with inches to spare. I got a lecture about gun safety and speeding but they did not issue a ticket. Needless to say when I was pulled over again, I got out of the car with my hands in plain sight. If they asked for documents I told them where they were.
Different rules apply in a country where most citizens are armed.
Best I keep the gun on my lap then? And just shoot him straight through the door before I wind the window down?
;D
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I'm just wondering about the shoot first ask questions later policy. For example if cop should pull us over , I shoot him first and ask questions later?
Going back 20+ years now when I was living in the Bay area of San Francisco. I got pulled over for speeding on the freeway by the highway patrol. The officer came over, i wound down the window and he demanded my papers (Insurance, license etc.) I reached over to open the glove box to retrieve them. Bad move! Next second I have a gun in my face, am bundled out of the car, spreadeagled face down on the highway with my hands handcuffed behind my back...
The other cop opened the glove box and found it only contained the cars documents and a bag of M&M's. A surreal conversation followed, with trucks hurtling by my prone body with inches to spare. I got a lecture about gun safety and speeding but they did not issue a ticket. Needless to say when I was pulled over again, I got out of the car with my hands in plain sight. If they asked for documents I told them where they were.
Different rules apply in a country where most citizens are armed.
Best I keep the gun on my lap then? And just shoot him straight through the door before I wind the window down?
;D
Accidental discharge = latest film = Kill Dick.. :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
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URGENT C4L ALERT:
http://www.chooseliberty.org/control2016-s.aspx?pid=19a&r=10&c=1
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Dear Cufflinks,
Officials had not even finished removing the bodies from Pulse Nightclub when Barack Obama and the rest of the gun grabbers began calling for new gun control.
Tomorrow the Senate will vote on four new gun control bills.
My Senate sources tell me the vote is unsure.
But even if the bills don't pass, IT WON'T MATTER!
You see, your Second Amendment rights will be in mortal jeopardy until Congress stops President Obama from imposing gun regulations by executive order.
Congress must remind Obama he is not a dictator.
And you must remind your Congressmen they have a duty to stop Obama.
So please read Dr. Paul's letter below and return your petitions right away.
Your petitions are more important now than ever.
And if you can, please make your most generous contribution of $100, $50 or $10 to help Campaign for Liberty fight this threat.
In Liberty,
Norm
http://www.chooseliberty.org/control2016-s.aspx?pid=19a&r=10&c=1
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Dear Cufflinks,
Even with all of the Orwellian madness you and I are seeing today, the statists know achieving the authoritarian utopia they crave depends on finally wiping out the last roadblock standing in their way...
That's the American people's right to keep and bear arms.
Now, with President Obama's time in the White House winding down, I'm afraid the threat of a federal "NO GUN LIST" is growing bigger by the day.
Should President Obama get his way, law-abiding American patriots could find themselves stripped of their Second Amendment rights -- with ZERO recourse.
And just like you and I have seen with government debt, ObamaCare funding, and defending the out-of-control Federal Reserve, I'm afraid BOTH parties will be on the deal!
That's why I'm counting on you to please sign your NO GUN CONTROL petitions IMMEDIATELY.
As you'll see, these petitions draw a line in the sand, insisting that your U.S. Representative and Senators vote "NO!" on any gun control scheme that reaches the floor of Congress.
The truth is, even before last December's shootings in San Bernardino, California (which government spying failed to prevent -- yet again!), President Obama was already claiming gun control would be the "central issue" of his remaining year in office.
Shortly after -- seemingly out of nowhere -- BOTH parties began rallying for a so-called "NO GUN LIST."
Under this gun control scheme, any law-abiding American citizen the federal government places on the federal "No-Fly List" could suddenly lose their Second Amendment rights with no due process as guaranteed by the Fifth Amendment!
Since this list is secret, it would leave citizens with effectively zero legal recourse if targeted by a rogue Attorney General.
Worse, I'm afraid it's no accident.
I'm afraid -- during this critical election year -- members of BOTH parties are anxious to tell the anti-gun national media they "did something" about gun violence and terrorism all at the same time.
Even as you and I see the Middle East burning under ISIS, BOTH parties will never admit the horrific failure of their failed policies.
Instead, their answer is to come after even more of our freedom once again!
Frankly, I'm sick of watching Washington, D.C., blame the liberty of law-abiding Americans for their own Big Government failures.
And it makes my stomach churn to imagine what could happen if our federal government were ever to gain the illicit power of a federal "No-Gun" list.
Any American an administration identifies as a "problem citizen" could easily become a secret target.
That could be just because the government doesn't like the political candidates you support, the church you attend, or the limited government beliefs you hold.
Remember that Missouri Information and Analysis Center (MIAC) document -- an affiliate of the Department of Homeland Security -- that warned about citizens who displayed the Gadsden flag or supported my candidacy for President?
Well, just last year, our federal government issued a warning that stated that these citizens pose a threat "equal to -- and in some cases greater than -- the threat from foreign Islamic terror groups, such as ISIS, that garner more public attention."
Already, the federal "No-Fly List" is infamous for mistakenly including the names of Members of Congress, conservative editorialists, folk musicians, Department of Homeland Security employees and even toddlers.
That's bad enough.
But you and I both know that should our federal government gain this power, the "NO GUN LIST" would be used to target anyone who dares stand up to the statists' authoritarian dreams for the country!
With support of key members of BOTH parties, President Obama could just get the votes he needs to RAM this gun control scheme into law!
That's why Campaign for Liberty staff is preparing an all-out mobilization campaign to FIGHT BACK.
Sadly, I'm afraid Campaign for Liberty is one of the ONLY organizations that will tell the American people the truth about what the "NO GUN LIST" could mean for the future of liberty in America.
As we've seen with the so-called "PATRIOT Act," Internet regulation, and other statist schemes, few Members of Congress balk at handing our federal government more power over our lives if "terrorism" is the excuse.
But as far as I'm concerned, the Second Amendment -- and every other God-given freedom protected by the Bill of Rights -- is non-negotiable for any reason!
If you agree, please sign your NO GUN CONTROL petitions to Campaign for Liberty right away.
And if you possibly can, please agree to your most generous contribution of $100 right away to help Campaign for Liberty prepare for the anti-gun onslaught I'm afraid is set to hit Congress.
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But Campaign for Liberty can't put any of this into action without your support -- especially with ongoing battles on Audit the Fed and battling BOTH parties' outrageous Big Government agenda.
That's why I'm counting on you to agree to your most generous contribution of $100 right away.
I know that's far more than you've done in the past.
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So please sign your NO GUN CONTROL petitions, and agree to your most generous contribution of $100, $50 or at least $10 IMMEDIATELY!
For Liberty,
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P.S. With President Obama's time in the White House winding down, I'm afraid the threat of a federal "NO GUN LIST" is growing bigger by the day.
If passed, it would allow the federal government to strip law-abiding American citizens of their Second Amendment rights with ZERO due process!
That means you could lose your gun rights just because a rogue Attorney General doesn't like the candidates you support, the church you attend, or the limited government beliefs you hold.
That's why I'm counting on you to please sign your NO GUN CONTROL petitions, and agree to your most generous contribution of of $100, $50 or at least $10 TODAY!
http://www.chooseliberty.org/control2016-s.aspx?pid=19a&r=10&c=1
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Home base of 'Air Force One' on lockdown due to active shooter report
https://www.rt.com/usa/349005-andrews-lockdown-active-shooter/
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Chicago shootings: More than 60 shot during holiday weekend
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/chicago-more-than-60-shot-fourth-of-july-holiday-weekend/
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Chicago shootings: More than 60 shot during holiday weekend
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/chicago-more-than-60-shot-fourth-of-july-holiday-weekend/
One would think that Martial Law would be better for this area?
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Chicago shootings: More than 60 shot during holiday weekend
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/chicago-more-than-60-shot-fourth-of-july-holiday-weekend/
Rather slow holiday weekend for that area; quite frankly I expected higher. Many must have been out of town :).
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Here we go again (:)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36742835
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Here we go again (:)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36742835
Right, except the media are reporting it wrong. This is the SECOND shooting , the phil castillo one was a dud.
In another thread I posted:
Normally I'd blast the gun-lobby senseless, but not in this case.
Since everyone is driving on the left, and the injured/dying phil is on the right (behind the wheel) I seriously doubt this happened in America.
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Here we go again (:)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36742835
Right, except the media are reporting it wrong. This is the SECOND shooting , the phil castillo one was a dud.
In another thread I posted:
Normally I'd blast the gun-lobby senseless, but not in this case.
Since everyone is driving on the left, and the injured/dying phil is on the right (behind the wheel) I seriously doubt this happened in America.
The execution by a dumb stupid scared young cop on hair trigger happened here all right - some twaat copied the video and uploaded it inverted not unlike flipping a foto... seems the cop had his finger on the trigger rather than in the forward pointing position normally used so as to avoid accidental shootings. The mark of trigger happy cowboy cops - when your adrenalin is running the natural response to fear is to tighten your grip thus four shots into an innocent black man who worked in a school cafeteria and had no record ironically killed for employing his right to concealed carry arms with a proper permit. Very sad.
Cop should not have had his finger on hair Trigger with a loaded semi-auto and the victim should have kept his hands on the wheel and informed the officer he had a permit to carry and ask the officer if he could place his weapon on the dashboard and then remove his wallet for his drivers and concealed carry licenses. By just reaching the jumpy scared cop made a grave and often tragic mistake evidenced by his reaction crying on the video "I told him not to move his hands - I told him not to move his hands" Then the cold hearted girlfriend - instead of trying to stop the boyfriends bleeding just kept on recording saying Sir you told him to get his license and registration <and you shot him> Sir don't tell me this is how my boyfriend is going <to die>.
Subsequent airings of the execution by cop video have the steering wheel on the correct side.
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Were just planning a few weeks holiday in the US early next year :plane:
Im just wondering about the shoot first ask questions later policy. For example if cop should pull us over , I shoot him first and ask questions later?
I don't want to come back in a coffin...
Please do update us and let us know how that works out for you.
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Were just planning a few weeks holiday in the US early next year :plane:
Im just wondering about the shoot first ask questions later policy. For example if cop should pull us over , I shoot him first and ask questions later?
I don't want to come back in a coffin...
:GRAVE:
The majority of the civilian exchanges with local, state and federal police are banal.
If you even attempt to shirt first at one of the above RUA will find some flowers for the grave stone.
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Were just planning a few weeks holiday in the US early next year :plane:
Im just wondering about the shoot first ask questions later policy. For example if cop should pull us over , I shoot him first and ask questions later?
I don't want to come back in a coffin...
:GRAVE:
The majority of the civilian exchanges with local, state and federal police are banal.
If you even attempt to shirt first at one of the above RUA will find some flowers for the grave stone.
I'm late to this one also, but that cops are whipping out the 44 magnum at traffic stops, firing and asking questions later is just a farce. Guns are used in something like 2% of all arrests.
And did you know that you are three times as likely to die from a fall in the USA than from a gun.
Here's a good link with lots of gun stats that show guns aren't the end of civilization for the USA:
http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/crime-and-guns/ (http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/crime-and-guns/)
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In civilisation the idea of guns being used by the police as often as two times in every 100 is disconcerting. Yes, most times we deal with the police are ordinary but that number suggests that in the USA anyone who is arrested can consider not dying as a result of the encounter to be something of a win.
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I think the foreign and commonwealth office should seriously start issuing travel warnings about travelling to the US. At least to some cities as it is very clearly not a safe country to be walking about in.
That country has very big problems.
When I arrive there next Im going to be seriously armed to the teeth.. I want to return to my safe neighbourhood in Mother Russia in one piece.. :chuckle:
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In civilisation the idea of guns being used by the police as often as two times in every 100 is disconcerting. Yes, most times we deal with the police are ordinary but that number suggests that in the USA anyone who is arrested can consider not dying as a result of the encounter to be something of a win.
I would wager that if you are capable of bowing to authority (i.e. police) and do as you are told, you will survive all encounters.
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I think the foreign and commonwealth office should seriously start issuing travel warnings about travelling to the US. At least to some cities as it is very clearly not a safe country to be walking about in.
That country has very big problems.
When I arrive there next Im going to be seriously armed to the teeth.. I want to return to my safe neighbourhood in Mother Russia in one piece.. :chuckle:
Likewise, if you are capable of keeping all sarcasm bottled up when confronted with a street thug or policeman you should have no problem.
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I think the foreign and commonwealth office should seriously start issuing travel warnings about travelling to the US. At least to some cities as it is very clearly not a safe country to be walking about in.
That country has very big problems.
When I arrive there next Im going to be seriously armed to the teeth.. I want to return to my safe neighbourhood in Mother Russia in one piece.. :chuckle:
Likewise, if you are capable of keeping all sarcasm bottled up when confronted with a street thug or policeman you should have no problem.
I can be very sarcastic to a police officer , nothing gives me more pleasure ;D I certainly would not keep quiet.
As for a street thug I would simply disarm him and kill him.. :laugh:
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And another one: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/baton-rouge-police-officers-shot-wounded-airline-highway/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=26645586
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The situation in the US is absolutely diabolical why on earth would any FSU women wish to bring a family up in that country?? :rolleye0009:
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The situation in the US is absolutely diabolical why on earth would any FSU women wish to bring a family up in that country?? :rolleye0009:
Haven't found any current stats, but there was no shortage of murder committed in Russia, but it did not make me worried for my safety.
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The situation in the US is absolutely diabolical why on earth would any FSU women wish to bring a family up in that country?? :rolleye0009:
Haven't found any current stats, but there was no shortage of murder committed in Russia, but it did not make me worried for my safety.
Murders in Russia are usually gang/drugs/crime related the normal person is very unlikely to see any thing! Unlike the US you just need to get out of your car with a crisp packet and get shot.. visit the local supermarket and get your head blown off for being in the way os some smack head doing a robbery.
I don't remember many tourists every being shot/murdered in Russia but its pretty common in the US, obviously they have more tourists but still a very dangerous country.
Would you want to take your kids for a walk in the park in Miami after dark?
If I was was living in the US I would for sure have a shot gun under the bed at night to feel safe.
Its the Wild west all over again ;D
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The situation in the US is absolutely diabolical why on earth would any FSU women wish to bring a family up in that country?? :rolleye0009:
Haven't found any current stats, but there was no shortage of murder committed in Russia, but it did not make me worried for my safety.
Murders in Russia are usually gang/drugs/crime related the normal person is very unlikely to see any thing! Unlike the US you just need to get out of your car with a crisp packet and get shot.. visit the local supermarket and get your head blown off for being in the way os some smack head doing a robbery.
I don't remember many tourists every being shot/murdered in Russia but its pretty common in the US, obviously they have more tourists but still a very dangerous country.
Would you want to take your kids for a walk in the park in Miami after dark?
If I was was living in the US I would for sure have a shot gun under the bed at night to feel safe.
Its the Wild west all over again ;D
Steveboy, of course in some urban areas in larger cities you might e eventually whiteness or be a victim of a violent crime.
Being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Gangs and drug related murder is the bulk here too.
Been living in the United states 55 years and still have not witnessed an actual murder first hand.
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The situation in the US is absolutely diabolical why on earth would any FSU women wish to bring a family up in that country?? :rolleye0009:
Julia, For slightly different reasons is of the same opinion.
America has advantages but the FUTURE is grim. Hillary or Donald - HELP. The moral fortitude erodes . . .
The greater problem is everyone is aflutter about Pokemon today and Andrew tiphat as well as others point the US is racing to disaster with its debt.
Oddly enough the return on T.Bills is dismal as other countries debt. Gold while up is hardly sterling. Speaking of Sterling . . . .
NB: Modify dept to debt
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I got out of the car with my hands in plain sight.
That would be a big "no-no" now, also.
Here is how to handle a traffic stop in the US, best practice, to maximize a better outcome. One need not follows book chapter and verse, but this is what works best. (For purposes of this discussion I will assume that the driver is not doing anything wrong/illegal, e.g. drunk driving):
1. Keep your docs (lic/reg/ins) under the driver's side visor. If you have time to when you are being pulled over, transfer them to the dash. If not, no biggie.
2. Pull over in a safe place. If you cannot pull over safely where you are, put on your hazard lights to acknowledge the cop and then pull over in a safe place.
3. As you are pulling over, roll down the window. Turn the radio off, take off sunglasses (if worn), and if it is night or overcast, put on the interior lights in your car so that the officer can see inside easily.
4. Put your (empty) hands out the window. Alternatively, you can keep them on the wheel. I put mine out the window so that the cop can see empty hands sooner. Relaxed cops write you reductions or let you go with a warning.
5. When the officer approaches, I usually say "I'm sorry, officer, did I do something wrong?" The cop will ask "Do you know why I pulled you over?" in the hopes of getting you to make an "admission against interest", i.e. admit that you were speeding. When I get pulled over, it's for speeding, or sometimes because I happen to be out late at night and they are checking for drunks. As I am never drunk driving, that second one is never a problem.
6. When the cop asks for your docs, tell him that they are on the dash and you are going to reach over for them. Or under the visor, using your left hand if the cop is at the driver's side window, or right hand if he is (as they sometimes do) on the passenger side window (assuming left-hand drive vehicle, of course)
7. Do not get out of the car unless instructed to by the officer.
And that's it. There are other rules governing questioning and searches, but assuming a simple speeding infraction, you are not likely to need to know those.
B/B
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I got out of the car with my hands in plain sight.
That would be a big "no-no" now, also.
Here is how to handle a traffic stop in the US, best practice, to maximize a better outcome. One need not follows book chapter and verse, but this is what works best. (For purposes of this discussion I will assume that the driver is not doing anything wrong/illegal, e.g. drunk driving):
1. Keep your docs (lic/reg/ins) under the driver's side visor. If you have time to when you are being pulled over, transfer them to the dash. If not, no biggie.
2. Pull over in a safe place. If you cannot pull over safely where you are, put on your hazard lights to acknowledge the cop and then pull over in a safe place.
3. As you are pulling over, roll down the window. Turn the radio off, take off sunglasses (if worn), and if it is night or overcast, put on the interior lights in your car so that the officer can see inside easily.
4. Put your (empty) hands out the window. Alternatively, you can keep them on the wheel. I put mine out the window so that the cop can see empty hands sooner. Relaxed cops write you reductions or let you go with a warning.
5. When the officer approaches, I usually say "I'm sorry, officer, did I do something wrong?" The cop will ask "Do you know why I pulled you over?" in the hopes of getting you to make an "admission against interest", i.e. admit that you were speeding. When I get pulled over, it's for speeding, or sometimes because I happen to be out late at night and they are checking for drunks. As I am never drunk driving, that second one is never a problem.
6. When the cop asks for your docs, tell him that they are on the dash and you are going to reach over for them. Or under the visor, using your left hand if the cop is at the driver's side window, or right hand if he is (as they sometimes do) on the passenger side window (assuming left-hand drive vehicle, of course)
7. Do not get out of the car unless instructed to by the officer.
And that's it. There are other rules governing questioning and searches, but assuming a simple speeding infraction, you are not likely to need to know those.
B/B
Thanks for the info, will try to remember it all should I need it... :bow:
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The situation in the US is absolutely diabolical why on earth would any FSU women wish to bring a family up in that country?? :rolleye0009:
Haven't found any current stats, but there was no shortage of murder committed in Russia, but it did not make me worried for my safety.
Murders in Russia are usually gang/drugs/crime related the normal person is very unlikely to see any thing! Unlike the US you just need to get out of your car with a crisp packet and get shot.. visit the local supermarket and get your head blown off for being in the way os some smack head doing a robbery.
I don't remember many tourists every being shot/murdered in Russia but its pretty common in the US, obviously they have more tourists but still a very dangerous country.
Would you want to take your kids for a walk in the park in Miami after dark?
If I was was living in the US I would for sure have a shot gun under the bed at night to feel safe.
Its the Wild west all over again ;D
Steveboy, of course in some urban areas in larger cities you might e eventually whiteness or be a victim of a violent crime.
Being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Gangs and drug related murder is the bulk here too.
Been living in the United states 55 years and still have not witnessed an actual murder first hand.
Much depends on your social status/grade as to wether you are more likely to be the victim of a crime or murder, I expect you send your kids to a private school ? And live in a nice neighbourhood.. so the chances are you would not be effected. But joe public C2/D2 in the US its a totally different matter, try using public transport late at night or popping down the local 24hour shop at 1am , then maybe you might get your head blown off for a pint of milk..naaaa the US is not a safe country to live in for sure for many.
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Here is the best way to deal with street thugs :chuckle:
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.....in some urban areas in larger cities you might e eventually whiteness or be a victim of a violent crime.....
Freudian slip?
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.....in some urban areas in larger cities you might e eventually whiteness or be a victim of a violent crime.....
Freudian slip?
I whitenessed what you just did.. :laugh:
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Here is the best way to deal with street thugs :chuckle:
Yeah right, are you a boxer perchance??
Or were you much better at running??
???
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Here is the best way to deal with street thugs :chuckle:
Yeah right, are you a boxer perchance??
Or were you much better at running??
???
No Im not a boxer but Im perfectly capable of looking after myself if the need comes.. you have to be able to multi task today.. :8)
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Here is the best way to deal with street thugs :chuckle:
Yeah right, are you a boxer perchance??
Or were you much better at running??
???
lie-la-lie, lie-la-lie, lie-la-lie
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Here is the best way to deal with street thugs :chuckle:
Yeah right, are you a boxer perchance??
Or were you much better at running??
???
lie-la-lie, lie-la-lie, lie-la-lie
??? ??? ???
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Here is the best way to deal with street thugs :chuckle:
Yeah right, are you a boxer perchance??
Or were you much better at running??
???
No Im not a boxer but Im perfectly capable of looking after myself if the need comes.. you have to be able to multi task today.. :8)
:bow:
Do you still have all of your own teeth perchance...??? ;D
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Here is the best way to deal with street thugs :chuckle:
Yeah right, are you a boxer perchance??
Or were you much better at running??
???
lie-la-lie, lie-la-lie, lie-la-lie
??? ??? ???
Perhaps too American, but I have heard the song so frequently in Russia and Ukraine that I made an assumption. BAD Av.
lie-la-lie is the refrain from The Boxer of Simon and Garfunckel.
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Here is the best way to deal with street thugs :chuckle:
Yeah right, are you a boxer perchance??
Or were you much better at running??
???
No Im not a boxer but Im perfectly capable of looking after myself if the need comes.. you have to be able to multi task today.. :8)
:bow:
Do you still have all of your own teeth perchance...??? ;D
Of course I have my teeth.. :smoking: just hair is getting a bit thin on top so I have to go with the skinhead look now :chuckle:
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Here is the best way to deal with street thugs :chuckle:
Yeah right, are you a boxer perchance??
Or were you much better at running??
???
lie-la-lie, lie-la-lie, lie-la-lie
??? ??? ???
Perhaps too American, but I have heard the song so frequently in Russia and Ukraine that I made an assumption. BAD Av.
lie-la-lie is the refrain from The Boxer of Simon and Garfunckel.
:bow:
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Here is the best way to deal with street thugs :chuckle:
Yeah right, are you a boxer perchance??
Or were you much better at running??
???
No Im not a boxer but Im perfectly capable of looking after myself if the need comes.. you have to be able to multi task today.. :8)
:bow:
Do you still have all of your own teeth perchance...??? ;D
Of course I have my teeth.. :smoking: just hair is getting a bit thin on top so I have to go with the skinhead look now :chuckle:
Aha, so you fight just like a little girlie then.... ??? :hidechair: ;D
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How one fights is irrelevant.
When fighting the only matter of importance is the victory.
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How one fights is irrelevant.
When fighting the only matter of importance is the victory.
An eye for an eye will only make the entire world blind. or something along those lines from M. Gandhi as I recall
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Aha, so you fight just like a little girlie then.... ??? :hidechair: ;D
Naw, Steve would just "shit talk" them to death. :chuckle:
B/B
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Do not get out of the car unless instructed to by the officer.
And that's it.
Don't forget to put out your cigarette [on your knee ...in your ear] but get rid of it.
Don't ask the cop to hold your beer while you find your license.
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Do not get out of the car unless instructed to by the officer.
And that's it.
Don't forget to put out your cigarette [on your knee ...in your ear] but get rid of it.
Don't ask the cop to hold your beer while you find your license.
If he has a fat J just ask to the cop to take a hit.
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Aha, so you fight just like a little girlie then.... ??? :hidechair: ;D
Naw, Steve would just "shit talk" them to death. :chuckle:
B/B
I reckon he could secure his own hostage release!! ;D
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Aha, so you fight just like a little girlie then.... ??? :hidechair: ;D
Naw, Steve would just "shit talk" them to death. :chuckle:
B/B
I reckon he could secure his own hostage release!! ;D
I would never ever be taken as a hostage by anyone ," if "I was unfortunate to be taken I wouldn't waste no time in escaping.. no need to rescue me. ;D
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The options are growing. You can be murdered by gun in the U.S., murdered by truck in France or murdered by axe in Germany.
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The options are growing. You can be murdered by gun in the U.S., murdered by truck in France or murdered by axe in Germany.
Is there an option of be suffocated to death by anti-American RUA nonsense?
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Aha, so you fight just like a little girlie then.... ??? :hidechair: ;D
Naw, Steve would just "shit talk" them to death. :chuckle:
B/B
I reckon he could secure his own hostage release!! ;D
I would never ever be taken as a hostage by anyone ," if "I was unfortunate to be taken I wouldn't waste no time in escaping.. no need to rescue me. ;D
Duly noted.. :coffeeread:
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The options are growing. You can be murdered by gun in the U.S., murdered by truck in France or murdered by axe in Germany.
Is there an option of be suffocated to death by anti-American RUA nonsense?
One could also see this as an attempt by the good chaps on here to open you USAsians eyes to the truth. :laugh:
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The options are growing. You can be murdered by gun in the U.S., murdered by truck in France or murdered by axe in Germany.
Is there an option of be suffocated to death by anti-American RUA nonsense?
One could also see this as an attempt by the good chaps on here to open you USAsians eyes to the truth. :laugh:
Only UKsians know the truth?
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The options are growing. You can be murdered by gun in the U.S., murdered by truck in France or murdered by axe in Germany.
Or a machete in London.
The good thing about the US is, (a) you get to have a gun, too, and (b) you get to fight back. :gousa:
:chuckle:
B/B
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The options are growing. You can be murdered by gun in the U.S., murdered by truck in France or murdered by axe in Germany.
Is there an option of be suffocated to death by anti-American RUA nonsense?
One could also see this as an attempt by the good chaps on here to open you USAsians eyes to the truth. :laugh:
Only UKsians know the truth?
WOW, what a clever boy you are.. :bow:
Cue Drum roll and trumpet fanfare... ;D
Maybe you should stand for president.. :king:
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The options are growing. You can be murdered by gun in the U.S., murdered by truck in France or murdered by axe in Germany.
Or a machete in London.
The good thing about the US is, (a) you get to have a gun, too, and (b) you get to fight back. :gousa:
:chuckle:
B/B
AND, get to kill or be killed...... :fighting0025:
Just like we can read about most days of the week.... :coffeeread:
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Fun fact, during the same week as the Nice event in Europe, several multiples of the number of killed were killed by 'friendly' Americans who were 'fighting back' against each other with their happy fun time guns.
Guess where one is safer?
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Guess where one is safer?
Probably safer to stand outside a mosque in Paris eating a bacon sandwich in your "I heart Jesus" t-shirt than take a stroll through Baton Rouge.
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13,286 people are recorded to have been killed by guns in the US during 2015. That's 255 per week.
In 2015 there were 150 deaths attributed to terrorist attacks in the EU. The number is on track to be slightly, only slightly, higher this year. That's with a population of some 508 million in the EU.
There's no doubt about it. The worst 'terrorists' in the world in terms of deaths are the happy, fun loving people killing each other every day in the USA, killing each other with their fear crutches.
The worst year for terrorist deaths in Western Europe was 1988 with about 450 deaths. CLICK HERE! (http://www.datagraver.com/case/people-killed-by-terrorism-per-year-in-western-europe-1970-2015)
Globally 32,658 people were killed by terrorism in 2014 compared to 18,111 in 2013: the largest increase ever recorded. So, through the whole, entire world, terrorism is responsible for just over twice the number of deaths from Americans killing each other with their fear toys. Certainly, objectively, USAians a re MUCH more dangerous than ISIS, al Qaida, Boko Haram etc.
CLICK HERE! (http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/2015-global-terrorism-index-deaths-from-terrorism-increased-80-last-year-to-the-highest-level-ever-global-economic-cost-of-terrorism-reached-all-time-high-at-us529-billion-550766811.html)
How does that sound, eh?
One is safer, in global terms, with ISIS than with Americans!
And who started the Global War On Terrortm
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13,286 people are recorded to have been killed by guns in the US during 2015. That's 255 per week.
In 2015 there were 150 deaths attributed to terrorist attacks in the EU. The number is on track to be slightly, only slightly, higher this year. That's with a population of some 508 million in the EU.
There's no doubt about it. The worst 'terrorists' in the world in terms of deaths are the happy, fun loving people killing each other every day in the USA, killing each other with their fear crutches.
The worst year for terrorist deaths in Western Europe was 1988 with about 450 deaths. CLICK HERE! (http://www.datagraver.com/case/people-killed-by-terrorism-per-year-in-western-europe-1970-2015)
Globally 32,658 people were killed by terrorism in 2014 compared to 18,111 in 2013: the largest increase ever recorded. So, through the whole, entire world, terrorism is responsible for just over twice the number of deaths from Americans killing each other with their fear toys. Certainly, objectively, USAians a re MUCH more dangerous than ISIS, al Qaida, Boko Haram etc.
CLICK HERE! (http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/2015-global-terrorism-index-deaths-from-terrorism-increased-80-last-year-to-the-highest-level-ever-global-economic-cost-of-terrorism-reached-all-time-high-at-us529-billion-550766811.html)
How does that sound, eh?
One is safer, in global terms, with ISIS than with Americans!
And who started the Global War On Terrortm
Moby ???
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I don't think that we can fairly blame the GWOT on moby. But, yes, it was started by other dishonest people doing dishonest things.
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If anyone has watched the movie "Purge" I think its a pretty good idea .. at least all the killings are one one day each year only..
I like the idea , it gives you a chance to cleanse the streets a little every now and again ;D
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Statistics can go anywhere all day. Double the amount of gun deaths black to white so if you are white you can feel more safe. Delete suicides and you cut out a whole lot of white deaths by gun. Female deaths by gun are the lowest so you can make a lot of assumptions there. Under age 30 is a big group so if you are over 30 your chances are even lower. All that and just staying out of inner city projects mean you are safe enough.
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All that and just staying out of inner city projects mean you are safe enough.
As long as you avoid shopping centres, colleges and contact with the police?
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One is safer, in global terms, with ISIS than with Americans!
Go have a visit with ISIS and then report back. We'll wait. :chuckle:
B/B
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All that and just staying out of inner city projects mean you are safe enough.
As long as you avoid shopping centres, colleges and contact with the police?
Actually, bagalia is onto something. 13.2% of the population seems to commit 51%+ of the murders.
So avoid blacks, and avoid being black, and you should be fine.
:chuckle:
B/B
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Hmm... What a silly thing to say bb. You are not a stupid person so I assume that when you make such a claim then you do so knowingly.
You might be a racist, indeed, based upon evidence you certainly are; objectively your claim makes no sense. Apart from the silliness baked into the statement, the reduction in risk based upon following your advice is actually very small.
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I wonder why do many USAians want to kill themselves? More than that, why do they choose to do so using a tool that, on the whole, removes any element of 'cry for help' inherent in most other suicide methods?
Why is US society so seriously fcuked up?
More things that make you go hmmmm!
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All that and just staying out of inner city projects mean you are safe enough.
As long as you avoid shopping centres, colleges and contact with the police?
At least the trigger reflex challenged US Police do not try to shake you down for petty bribes.
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All that and just staying out of inner city projects mean you are safe enough.
As long as you avoid shopping centres, colleges and contact with the police?
At least the trigger reflex challenged US Police do not try to shake you down for petty bribes.
mmmmmm choices, choices...
Pay a petty bribe,
OR be :censored: ing shot...
NO contest... :rouble-smile:
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All that and just staying out of inner city projects mean you are safe enough.
As long as you avoid shopping centres, colleges and contact with the police?
Actually, bagalia is onto something. 13.2% of the population seems to commit 51%+ of the murders.
So avoid blacks, and avoid being black, and you should be fine.
:chuckle:
B/B
Racist.. :ROFL: tiphat
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At least the trigger reflex challenged US Police do not try to shake you down for petty bribes.
As compared to where?
Of course in the US one wants to try to not carry cash or valuables when traveling in order to avoid the not so petty larceny of the police and their evidence lite confiscations.
However, I prefer to live than to die. The contents of my wallet are as nothing compared to my ability to breathe!
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At least the trigger reflex challenged US Police do not try to shake you down for petty bribes.
As compared to where?
Of course in the US one wants to try to not carry cash or valuables when traveling in order to avoid the not so petty larceny of the police and their evidence lite confiscations.
However, I prefer to live than to die. The contents of my wallet are as nothing compared to my ability to breathe!
There are rumours around that you tend to get short of breath when its time to take out your wallet... :laugh:
Cannot confirm this in real life though...
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All that and just staying out of inner city projects mean you are safe enough.
As long as you avoid shopping centres, colleges and contact with the police?
At least the trigger reflex challenged US Police do not try to shake you down for petty bribes.
No, they just confiscate your cash without shaking you down first.
And there's a whole thread on this forum dedicated to this vile behaviour, started by a US lawyer.
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At least the trigger reflex challenged US Police do not try to shake you down for petty bribes.
Quote of the week contender Cuffy tiphat
I assume you are referring to Countries such as but not limited to Russia - however, I think I'd rather just pay a petty bride and get on with my day and most importantly "life" rather than get ones head blown off by another budding "Dirty Harry"!!!
You Yanks are off the chain :rolleye0009:
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Hmm... What a silly thing to say bb. You are not a stupid person so I assume that when you make such a claim then you do so knowingly.
You might be a racist, indeed, based upon evidence you certainly are; objectively your claim makes no sense. Apart from the silliness baked into the statement, the reduction in risk based upon following your advice is actually very small.
Based upon evidence, I am certainly correct. If one has a peek at FBI crime statistics, one must either conclude that (a) Blacks are much more likely to kill other people than non-blacks, or (b) facts are "racist." Indeed, one is *far* more likely to be assaulted (or indeed have any violent crime perpetrated on one's person) by a black person if one is white than by a white person if one is black.
Oh, and I don't write the news, I just report it.
While I'm sure it's fun for you to name-call, you are speaking from ignorance. Unlike you, I am not leaping to conclusions based on my "widdle feewings" because the truth is uncomfortable, but I understand that this happens among your countrymen (although is certainly not limited to them) which is how Rotherham happened.
Racist.. :ROFL: tiphat
Sometimes, one is simply the bearer of uncomfortable facts.
But hey, I'm not alone. Here is notorious race-baiting charlatan Jesse Jackson's viewpoint: "There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery -- then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved." I've had other blacks express the same thought to me, that they'd much rather turn around and see a group of white kids than black kids in such situations.
B/B
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Hmm... What a silly thing to say bb. You are not a stupid person so I assume that when you make such a claim then you do so knowingly.
You might be a racist, indeed, based upon evidence you certainly are; objectively your claim makes no sense. Apart from the silliness baked into the statement, the reduction in risk based upon following your advice is actually very small.
Based upon evidence, I am certainly correct. If one has a peek at FBI crime statistics, one must either conclude that (a) Blacks are much more likely to kill other people than non-blacks, or (b) facts are "racist." Indeed, one is *far* more likely to be assaulted (or indeed have any violent crime perpetrated on one's person) by a black person if one is white than by a white person if one is black.
Oh, and I don't write the news, I just report it.
While I'm sure it's fun for you to name-call, you are speaking from ignorance. Unlike you, I am not leaping to conclusions based on my "widdle feewings" because the truth is uncomfortable, but I understand that this happens among your countrymen (although is certainly not limited to them) which is how Rotherham happened.
Racist.. :ROFL: tiphat
Sometimes, one is simply the bearer of uncomfortable facts.
But hey, I'm not alone. Here is notorious race-baiting charlatan Jesse Jackson's viewpoint: "There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery -- then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved." I've had other blacks express the same thought to me, that they'd much rather turn around and see a group of white kids than black kids in such situations.
B/B
UNFORTUNATELY
Yes unfortunately there are too many deaths, caused by cars, trucks, planes, knives, guns, fat and chain saws.
Unfortunately there are too many stupid people ~ they live north to south & east to west. And they bred.
Unfortunately it seems the The Black Lives Matter has not reached the blacks as they continue to murder each other if not with guns than pick axes, machetes or what ever else is at hand. This is in fact the majority of gun violence.
Unfortunately society and in particular America has become more polarized and violent.
And unfortunately racism has existed for generations.
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Hmm... What a silly thing to say bb. You are not a stupid person so I assume that when you make such a claim then you do so knowingly.
You might be a racist, indeed, based upon evidence you certainly are; objectively your claim makes no sense. Apart from the silliness baked into the statement, the reduction in risk based upon following your advice is actually very small.
Based upon evidence, I am certainly correct. If one has a peek at FBI crime statistics, one must either conclude that (a) Blacks are much more likely to kill other people than non-blacks, or (b) facts are "racist." Indeed, one is *far* more likely to be assaulted (or indeed have any violent crime perpetrated on one's person) by a black person if one is white than by a white person if one is black.
Oh, and I don't write the news, I just report it.
While I'm sure it's fun for you to name-call, you are speaking from ignorance. Unlike you, I am not leaping to conclusions based on my "widdle feewings" because the truth is uncomfortable, but I understand that this happens among your countrymen (although is certainly not limited to them) which is how Rotherham happened.
Racist.. :ROFL: tiphat
Sometimes, one is simply the bearer of uncomfortable facts.
But hey, I'm not alone. Here is notorious race-baiting charlatan Jesse Jackson's viewpoint: "There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery -- then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved." I've had other blacks express the same thought to me, that they'd much rather turn around and see a group of white kids than black kids in such situations.
B/B
UNFORTUNATELY
Yes unfortunately there are too many deaths, caused by cars, trucks, planes, knives, guns, fat and chain saws.
Unfortunately there are too many stupid people ~ they live north to south & east to west. And they bred.
Unfortunately it seems the The Black Lives Matter has not reached the blacks as they continue to murder each other if not with guns than pick axes, machetes or what ever else is at hand. This is in fact the majority of gun violence.
Unfortunately society and in particular America has become more polarized and violent.
And unfortunately racism has existed for generations.
They have, unfortunately, arrived on these ancient shores as depicted by the mindless shirtless yobs baying at the police in Hyde Park the other day.
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I wonder why do many USAians want to kill themselves? More than that, why do they choose to do so using a tool that, on the whole, removes any element of 'cry for help' inherent in most other suicide methods?
Why is US society so seriously fcuked up?
More things that make you go hmmmm!
FACT is because Americans have to work twice as hard and with more intensity to pay for the taxes to fund 75% of NATO defense costs while you Euro lot enjoy a government-subsidized lifestyle at Americans expense and enjoy much longer paid vacations, maternity and paternity leave and cradle to grave education and social safety nets.
Yet by enthusiastically accepting cultural enrichment from millions of hostile Sharia law adherents totally at odds with your liberal social societal fabric you chose to join in mass societal suicide which is beyond most rational thinking human beings comprehension.
Fortunately, you UK and Euro lot are about to get a serious attitude correction interview long overdue once President Trump is inaugurated and you are properly billed for what you cost us to defend.
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The inconvenient truth about Police shootings in the USA:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings/
According to the Washington post there had be 990 people killed by the US Police in 2015.
White: 494
Black: 258
Hispanic: 172
Other: 38
Unknow: 28
Whereas US Police Killed in the Line of Duty:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/01/09/are-black-or-white-offenders-more-likely-to-kill-police/
The FBI’s Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted program tracks the deaths of officers who were on duty, or acting in an official manner while off duty. The FBI publishes annual reports breaking down the figure in two ways: accidents and “felonious incidents,” which are deaths as a result of a criminal act. Felonious incidents include ambushes, traffic pursuits, responding to domestic disturbances or delivering search warrants.
There were 511 officers killed in felonious incidents and 540 offenders from 2004 to 2013, according to FBI reports. Among the total offenders, 52 percent were white, and 43 percent were black.
Bottom line it is not racist to recognize the fact that Black Urban neighborhoods in large Urban cities are extremely dangerous and crime ridden...
Very well done Video of the facts:
Black Lives Matter: CIVIL WAR
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I wonder why do many USAians want to kill themselves? More than that, why do they choose to do so using a tool that, on the whole, removes any element of 'cry for help' inherent in most other suicide methods?
Why is US society so seriously fcuked up?
More things that make you go hmmmm!
FACT is because Americans have to work twice as hard and with more intensity to pay for the taxes to fund 75% of NATO defense costs while you Euro lot enjoy a government-subsidized lifestyle at Americans expense and enjoy much longer paid vacations, maternity and paternity leave and cradle to grave education and social safety nets.
Yet by enthusiastically accepting cultural enrichment from millions of hostile Sharia law adherents totally at odds with your liberal social societal fabric you chose to join in mass societal suicide which is beyond most rational thinking human beings comprehension.
Fortunately, you UK and Euro lot are about to get a serious attitude correction interview long overdue once President Trump is inaugurated and you are properly billed for what you cost us to defend.
Defence??
Or nobody pays a bean and we find out if the US really will cut back their aggressive foreign policy. The world might just be a safer place with President Trump and fewer US foreign forces threatening world stability.
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As long as US intervention was really decreased I think we'd all be winners. That is, if the US manages to stop destabilising, stop interfering and follow civilised norms for international behaviour in trade and politics as well as cutting back the more overt demonstrations of interference so often euphemised these days as 'boots on the ground'.
There's plenty to be done at home to 'make America great' - or at least civilised.
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As long as US intervention was really decreased I think we'd all be winners. That is, if the US manages to stop destabilising, stop interfering and follow civilised norms for international behaviour in trade and politics as well as cutting back the more overt demonstrations of interference so often euphemised these days as 'boots on the ground'.
There's plenty to be done at home to 'make America great' - or at least civilised.
Yip. It's got that feel of a tired empire beginning to lose its sphere of influence. You'd like to think there's enough brainpower to kick start a credible economy rather than just killing people for cash. Apart from it being morally sick, its not even sustainable.
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Yip. It's got that feel of a tired empire beginning to lose its sphere of influence. You'd like to think there's enough brainpower to kick start a credible economy rather than just killing people for cash. Apart from it being morally sick, its not even sustainable.
The Soviets showed us just how a political and economic system can be closed down - I doubt that there is a better possible model for a civilized and practical ending. But just look how terribly disruptive and stressful it was for the inhabitants of the Soviet Union. I very, very much doubt that the US will close down in as civilised and sane manner.
We should not forget that disruption and war is incredibly good business for the United States economy - for example, each member of NATO is supposed to spend 2% of GDP on defence and, because of NATO interoperability requirements a large proportion of that money is spent on US materiel and services. Moreover, each time there is a war, police action or 'requirement to protect' money is spent on restocking, wages, research, logistics all flowing toward the USA.
Power projection is the way that continued expansion of military spending is justified - just look at what is happening now in Northern Europe and how top military officials are seeking huge increments in budgets to counter invented claims of Russian 'aggression'.
There's no good reason to expect that the leopard will change its spots. War and chaos suits the USA very well - and not just the fabled 1% either.
Over 1,400,000 Americans are now on active duty; another 833,000 are in the reserves, many full time. Another 1,600,000 Americans work in companies that supply the military with everything from weapons to utensils.
2010 http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Robert-Reich/2010/0813/America-s-biggest-jobs-program-The-US-military
Back in 2010 the ONLY places in the USA where both personal incomes and net incomes rose were those that were heavily dependent upon military spending. War is a large, if not the largest single driver of the US economy.
Even back in 2010 military employment represented 2% of employment in the US, excluding indirect employment in medicine, education, logistics as well as those in receipt of pensions.
What does that mean to us over in the civilised world?
It means that very few USAians will vote for, or support measures that will make them think they are less well-off. They will not support demilitarisation, will not allow reductions in military deployments, will reject reductions in arms manufacture.
But es, rosco, you are right, this is not sustainable. There is not much more 'tribute' to be extracted from 'allies' or 'enemies' and thus we will see the fall of the US.
Trump is absolutely correct in his analysis, but not even he is able to tell the voters the truth about the extent of the effects of retrenchment upon the people of the Great United States.
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Oh, believe me, there are plenty of us here that look forward to less foreign adventurism (at least of the non-RUW variety)...the difficulty is, when we go back to minding our own business, Europe and Asia seem to have a habit of producing megalomaniacal, homicidal dictators bent on genocide.
It's a problem.
Even on more minor issues, such as Yugoslavia, where the US was invited to butt out by EU Grand High Poobah Jacques Poos -- who despite the incredibly effeminate/scatological name is surprisingly not French -- but then invited to butt right back in again as soon as things got the *teensiest* bit difficult.
But hey, I look forward to the day when those folks outside of North America (and the non-European Anglosphere, I should add) no longer require Adult Supervision....
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I wonder why do many USAians want to kill themselves? More than that, why do they choose to do so using a tool that, on the whole, removes any element of 'cry for help' inherent in most other suicide methods?
Why is US society so seriously fcuked up?
More things that make you go hmmmm!
FACT is because Americans have to work twice as hard and with more intensity to pay for the taxes to fund 75% of NATO defense costs while you Euro lot enjoy a government-subsidized lifestyle at Americans expense and enjoy much longer paid vacations, maternity and paternity leave and cradle to grave education and social safety nets.
Yet by enthusiastically accepting cultural enrichment from millions of hostile Sharia law adherents totally at odds with your liberal social societal fabric you chose to join in mass societal suicide which is beyond most rational thinking human beings comprehension.
Fortunately, you UK and Euro lot are about to get a serious attitude correction interview long overdue once President Trump is inaugurated and you are properly billed for what you cost us to defend.
properly billed for what you cost us to defend Go see a shrink! Its what most of you lot do.. :rolleye0009: :rolleye0009: :rolleye0009:
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Cufflinks, you might want to to read what Trump has actually said rather than relying upon your fervid imagination.
Kids these days...
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Oh, believe me, there are plenty of us here that look forward to less foreign adventurism (at least of the non-RUW variety)...the difficulty is, when we go back to minding our own business, Europe and Asia seem to have a habit of producing megalomaniacal, homicidal dictators bent on genocide.
It's a problem.
If true, not a problem for you folks. You are an ocean away. It doesn't touch you.
Why not try the "minding your own business" thing and see how that goes? You guys have got a big leaky southern border to be fixing, plenty of issues with the blacks and a challenge to stop your cops shooting the population randomly. :nod:
Europe managed alright for over a thousand years before we built your new country. Which, it must be said, you have made a pigs ear of since left to your own devices with it. :smokin:
Physician, heal thyself. You people have no legitimate business meddling in Europe. :)
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Oh, believe me, there are plenty of us here that look forward to less foreign adventurism (at least of the non-RUW variety)...the difficulty is, when we go back to minding our own business, Europe and Asia seem to have a habit of producing megalomaniacal, homicidal dictators bent on genocide.
It's a problem.
If true, not a problem for you folks. You are an ocean away. It doesn't touch you.
Why not try the "minding your own business" thing and see how that goes? You guys have got a big leaky southern border to be fixing, plenty of issues with the blacks and a challenge to stop your cops shooting the population randomly. :nod:
Europe managed alright for over a thousand years before we built your new country. Which, it must be said, you have made a pigs ear of since left to your own devices with it. :smokin:
Physician, heal thyself. You people have no legitimate business meddling in Europe. :)
Tell me ain't so.
If the United States did not 'meddle' most of Europe would be either pig or turnip farmers today speaking either Russian or German.
It was European politicians who dragged the United States into the mess of 2 World Wars.
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If true, not a problem for you folks. You are an ocean away. It doesn't touch you.
Oh, believe me, I am sure my countrymen have thanked God for the Atlantic Ocean many times before. The Pacific, too, but more often the Atlantic.
Why not try the "minding your own business" thing and see how that goes?
Tried it back in 1918. That worked out so well that tens of millions of people died thanks to the Europeans not listening to President Wilson and adopting punitive measures towards Germany. Remind me how that went again? Oh, right, within a generation, America had to ride to the rescue. Clearly the most sensible course thereafter was to keep you lot under supervision.
You guys have got a big leaky southern border to be fixing, plenty of issues with the blacks and a challenge to stop your cops shooting the population randomly. :nod:
If we wanted the border fixed it would be fixed. We need cheap Mexican labor and the Mexicans need cash. It isn't uncommon, at any given moment, for Mexico's top two sources of hard currency to be oil and...money sent back by illegal Mexicans. As I sometimes point out to my liberalish friends, when they whine about the minimum wage, if we policed the border, wages for menial jobs would rise on their own to attract workers. Done/Dusted. That does not appeal to their Moral Vanity of course....
The black problem will sort itself out, eventually. Even in Detroit and Chicago, although that may be in a "The Purge: Home Game" sort of way.
As for cops randomly shooting people, it's more in line with who commits violent crimes. Getting ventilated is an occupational hazard to violent crime. Perhaps your police should do less of things like enabling the child-rapers of Rotherham. Not really a good showing there.
Europe managed alright for over a thousand years before we built your new country. Which, it must be said, you have made a pigs ear of since left to your own devices with it. :smokin:
Sure: plaugue, fire, pestilence, and an obsession with f*cking up the Middle East that carried over into the 20th Century. You've had centuries to get it right and, well, haven't.
Meanwhile, we took the dregs of humanity, the unwanted, the cast offs---the gawddam IRISH for f*cks sake! And the Dagos, too!---and in the span of a couple of centuries, became the Heavyweight Motherf*cking CHAMPION of all time. We're 3/4ths Grizzly Bear and descended from a car wreck on our mother's side! When we sneeze, they lose their berets in Cap D'Antibes. When we...well, you get the idea.
Physician, heal thyself. You people have no legitimate business meddling in Europe. :)
If only. The last time we went back to minding our own business, it was scarcely a generation before Europe had sprouted a couple of homicidal dictators and whammo!, we were up to our elbows in alligators again.
History teaches us that when we leave Europe be, tens of millions of people die. Looks like the Muzzies will be running the game, next time. We'll see how you do. You'll be begging for Uncle Sugar back in no time.
If the United States did not 'meddle' most of Europe would be either pig or turnip farmers today speaking either Russian or German.
One wonders if that might not be preferable, actually. Minus all of the death and book (and people!) burning.
It was European politicians who dragged the United States into the mess of 2 World Wars.
And for the most bizarre reasons. Queen Victoria's nephew couldn't get along with her grandson and Arch Duke Franz Ferdinand gets into an argument on a street corner with Gavrilo Princip, undoubtedly over who had the sillier name.
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Oh, believe me, there are plenty of us here that look forward to less foreign adventurism (at least of the non-RUW variety)...the difficulty is, when we go back to minding our own business, Europe and Asia seem to have a habit of producing megalomaniacal, homicidal dictators bent on genocide.
It's a problem.
If true, not a problem for you folks. You are an ocean away. It doesn't touch you.
Why not try the "minding your own business" thing and see how that goes? You guys have got a big leaky southern border to be fixing, plenty of issues with the blacks and a challenge to stop your cops shooting the population randomly. :nod:
Europe managed alright for over a thousand years before we built your new country. Which, it must be said, you have made a pigs ear of since left to your own devices with it. :smokin:
Physician, heal thyself. You people have no legitimate business meddling in Europe. :)
I completely agree with both Manny and Mr. Trump - we should immediately leave Europe and immediately stop funding 75% of NATO and Close the Feds Free money windows to broke Euro MegaBanks.
We should also require visas for all peoples in Europe since we can not tell who is a peace loving Euro and who are radicalized muslim extremist terrorists.
We should also slap reciprocal tariffs and restrictions on all European Products that are in fact slapped on USA products and services.
We are sick of arrogant Euro pontificating and dragging us into your perpetual world wars. The wars we are sucked into now are basically modern blowback from ancient European Empire defugalties.
The rate things are progressing Europastan will be a Radical Islamists Sharia Caliphate within 50 years... better to protect and inoculate the USA from such viral mental infections and collapsing societal IQs now while we still can.
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We should also require visas for all peoples in Europe since we can not tell who is a peace loving Euro and who are radicalized muslim extremist terrorists.
America already does require visas for all people in Europe.
We should also slap reciprocal tariffs and restrictions on all European Products that are in fact slapped on USA products and services.
Already happening also.
We are sick of arrogant Euro pontificating and dragging us into your perpetual world wars. The wars we are sucked into now are basically modern blowback from ancient European Empire defugalties.
I seem to remember that in the recent wars, all of them are sparked on the african continent , despite Europe's protests, so please point your anger to the right continent.
The rate things are progressing Europastan will be a Radical Islamists Sharia Caliphate within 50 years... better to protect and inoculate the USA from such viral mental infections and collapsing societal IQs now while we still can.
No way this will ever happen. You already see ordinary people reacting ever more strongly to the politicians not acting.
For instance: Sons of Odin, pegida, the list goes on and on. If the politicians do not act soon, the people will and then it will truly become a dogshit house.
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We are sick of arrogant Euro pontificating and dragging us into your perpetual world wars.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Excellent.....thanks for the Monday morning laugh Cuffy!!!
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We should also require visas for all peoples in Europe
You already do. That you choose to call it "visa waiver" is typical US misrepresentation. One seeks permission, pays money, waits to be approved, and prints out ones ESTA to be able to get in. It is a visa in all practical respects.
We are sick of arrogant Euro pontificating and dragging us into your perpetual world wars.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Excellent.....thanks for the Monday morning laugh Cuffy!!!
I'll have a tall one of whatever Cuffy is drinking. It is clearly mind-bending stuff. :coffeeread:
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better to protect and inoculate the USA from such viral mental infections and collapsing societal IQs now while we still can.
Blimey, you are a bit late on that one, Cuffy. :ROFL:
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We should also require visas for all peoples in Europe
You already do. That you choose to call it "visa waiver" is typical US misrepresentation. One seeks permission, pays money, waits to be approved, and prints out ones ESTA to be able to get in. It is a visa in all practical respects.
The world is round! I had the same debate with FiFi a decade ago regarding a visa to Ukraine. Yes/No numerous times. In fact the reality is the same the stamp in your passport at entry is a visa. ESTA is not a visa. The ESTA is the road you use if you fly to America and starts the program rolling. *
We are sick of arrogant Euro pontificating and dragging us into your perpetual world wars.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Excellent.....thanks for the Monday morning laugh Cuffy!!!
I'll have a tall one of whatever Cuffy is drinking. It is clearly mind-bending stuff. :coffeeread:
Cuffy, can you deliver?
* Part of me feels we are speaking about semantics.
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LOL When you inspire laughter that is the first step in recognizing you Europastanis have a problem... Most Yanks of European ancestry would love to visit their ancestral homelands ... sickens us to see the European Commission tyranny and dissolution of democratic processes throwing open arms to millions of Radical Islamist Extremists sympathizers pissing on the many graves of Allied Soldiers who defended Novo Europastan from the NAZIS and then the Soviets - Sort of like the Soros/Clintons/Obamanationators lot with TPP/TPIP and a similar unelected Autocratic Dictatorial Commission trying to turn North America into a similar haven for Radical Islamist Extremist Terrorists... and additional Soros Open Borders Foundation flood of Latin American Narco Terroristas.
...as for what I am Drinking you have plenty in your own back yards - that would be Johnny Walker Red on the rocks with a good Dominican or Nicaraguan Cigar - still no Cubanos legal for import here ... still have to go to Casa Del Habanos up in Montreal.
Or an ice cold Grey Goose Martini with a twist of lemon and a drop or two of Martini and Rossi dry white vermouth.
Just a side note - no one seemed too eager to see the USA stop funding NATO to the tune of $800 Billion plus per year ... might put a crimp in your lots 12 weeks of Paid vacations per year if you actually had to in fact PAY for your own defense. Actually, since you have surrendered to the voluntary invasion of 15 million plus Radical Extremist Islamist Sharia conversion proselytizers invading Europastan from the Middle East and North/Central Africa - our nearly $1 Trillion USD in annual NATO funding is a total waste and can be better used by Mr. Trump to rebuild the USA infrastructure and economy.
Good on ya.
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better to protect and inoculate the USA from such viral mental infections and collapsing societal IQs now while we still can.
Blimey, you are a bit late on that one, Cuffy. :ROFL:
LOL - got to love dry British humor. Well, there is a slight glimmer of hope on your side of the Pond you did vote BREXIT though the cultural enrichment with low IQ impregnation of your local Brit/Celt/Scot goers has in fact made that one a bit too late there as well.
Was interesting seeing Nigel Farage interviewed by Inforwars.com and our liberty types here during his victory lap of the Cleveland GOP/Republican Convention. Sort of UK's George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and Donald Trump all rolled up into one. Interesting bloke actually.
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Its funny how the UK Police seldom actually shoot anyone?
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/uk-armed-police-fired-guns-104700876.html
Those trigger happy yanks obviously have another system, I guess its the same as when they are at war and shoot British soldiers with friendly fire? Some how I don't understand how getting a leg and arm blown off can be called friendly fire!! :sick0012:
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Chicago continues to set records in the numbers of people shot, and killed.
9 dead, at least 40 hurt in weekend shootings
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-88056356/
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Rahm Emanuel is doing a great job of mayor in Chicago. At least the majority of the shootings taking place are gang members retaliation against rival gangs.
54 shot, 11 fatally, over Christmas weekend
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-92206074/
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Rahm Emanuel is doing a great job of mayor in Chicago. At least the majority of the shootings taking place are gang members retaliation against rival gangs.
54 shot, 11 fatally, over Christmas weekend
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-92206074/
Wait, don't Black Lives Matter?
Where are they? Aren't they going to protest?
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Rahm Emanuel is doing a great job of mayor in Chicago. At least the majority of the shootings taking place are gang members retaliation against rival gangs.
54 shot, 11 fatally, over Christmas weekend
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-92206074/
Wait, don't Black Lives Matter?
Where are they? Aren't they going to protest?
Black lives matter when there is a potential lawsuit against the city.
Had these shootings been police related, then black lives would matter.
Along with the complementary riots and looting.
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The criminals will always find access to guns, so there will always be the need to own guns to protect those we care about.
Father Shoots Robber at Texas Popeyes After Gun Pointed at Daughters
https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/830780?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1768144_12092017&s=al&dkt_nbr=0105044ztsaq&keywords=father-shoots-robber-popeyes-texas&year=2017&month=12&date=08&id=830780&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Wire&oref=news.newsmax.com
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The criminals will always find access to guns, so there will always be the need to own guns to protect those we care about.
Father Shoots Robber at Texas Popeyes After Gun Pointed at Daughters
https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/830780?ns_mail_uid=8540997&ns_mail_job=1768144_12092017&s=al&dkt_nbr=0105044ztsaq&keywords=father-shoots-robber-popeyes-texas&year=2017&month=12&date=08&id=830780&aliaspath=%2FManage%2FArticles%2FTemplate-Wire&oref=news.newsmax.com
What I wouldn't give for a Popeyes restaurant near me (I think my closest location might be in Youngstown, OH). Obviously I could do without the shooting part.
I've always been taught that (whether carrying or not) your best chance of survival during armed attack is to run. If running isn't possible, try to hide. If hiding isn't practical, initiate a counter-attack on the assailant(s) with as much surprise, speed and force as possible. Of course when you have family / children along with you in public, running or hiding may not be viable options. This particular occurrence appears to be fairly well cut-and-dried (assuming the article is factual). Too bad we have to worry about such things as armed robberies and shooting sprees.
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Merry Christmas! Enjoy!
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What I wouldn't give for a Popeyes restaurant near me
I will have the one right up the road from my office building to relocate to where you are. :chuckle: At least, the chances of being robbed should decrease. :)
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There is another shooting taking place in a Florida high school, first reported at least 20 injured.
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We’re having some fun here in Dublin with the Hutch-Kinahan gang feud in full flow.
14 murderers in two years, drugs...
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We’re having some fun here in Dublin with the Hutch-Kinahan gang feud in full flow.
14 murderers in two years, drugs...
Population control of undesirables.
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There is another shooting taking place in a Florida high school, first reported at least 20 injured.
I’m watching the BBC right now and of course the British reporters are whining about gun control. One wonders when these bleeding heart lemmings will finally realize that the USA is different and we’re not interested in your opinions.
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There is another shooting taking place in a Florida high school, first reported at least 20 injured.
I’m watching the BBC right now and of course the British reporters are whining about gun control. One wonders when these bleeding heart lemmings will finally realize that the USA is different and we’re not interested in your opinions.
Jimmy Kimmel made a liberal plea for gun control, watch Liz Wheeler breaks down the inaccuracies.
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It's only Feb and this is the 19th School shooting this year... the likes of cornfed and other gun toting loons must be so proud...
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Unfortunately people have been killing each other (in most cases, needlessly) for thousands of years, and the tradition will probably continue for thousands more years (or until we become extinct, whichever comes first).
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Unfortunately people have been killing each other (in most cases, needlessly) for thousands of years, and the tradition will probably continue for thousands more years (or until we become extinct, whichever comes first).
Well over 90% of these shootings are committed by Democrats.
I would be fine with outlawing the Democratic Party or with applying gun control to them only.
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Unfortunately people have been killing each other (in most cases, needlessly) for thousands of years, and the tradition will probably continue for thousands more years (or until we become extinct, whichever comes first).
But Americans do it best and will not wake up to their unique skill-set ..lest the right to carry a gun is taken away
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Unfortunately people have been killing each other (in most cases, needlessly) for thousands of years, and the tradition will probably continue for thousands more years (or until we become extinct, whichever comes first).
Well over 90% of these shootings are committed by Democrats.
I would be fine with outlawing the Democratic Party or with applying gun control to them only.
Almost 100% are committed by men, so why not apply it to them?
#flawedlogic
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Well over 90% of these shootings are committed by Democrats.
I would be fine with outlawing the Democratic Party or with applying gun control to them only.
I suspect liberalism correlates pretty strongly with mental illness.
:chuckle:
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News here is the NRA has called for a ban on schools.
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Well over 90% of these shootings are committed by Democrats.
I would be fine with outlawing the Democratic Party or with applying gun control to them only.
I suspect liberalism correlates pretty strongly with mental illness.
:chuckle:
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As opposed to the mentally ill who go round killing people?
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Here's the truth: United States culture is sick. Sick on many levels. Banning guns would not solve the problems inherent in U.S society. It'd not stop the killing, they'd just get a little more creative.
But how to deal with a sick society?
Give 'em all guns and ammo at taxpayers expense and let' em have a at each other and, after a few decades of isolation, deal with the last woman standing?
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Here's the truth: United States culture is sick. Sick on many levels. Banning guns would not solve the problems inherent in U.S society. It'd not stop the killing, they'd just get a little more creative.
But how to deal with a sick society?
Give 'em all guns and ammo at taxpayers expense and let' em have a at each other and, after a few decades of isolation, deal with the last woman standing?
One of the women that is part of the Amsterdam ex-pat community is as gay (lesbian) as a Lilly Pulitzer picnic basket and meaner than a junk yard dog. I suspect this will be the last 'woman' standing. :laugh:
But yes I tend to agree there is a large portion on both sides of the political spectrum that are 'sick' and it is largely endemic to the United States. I suspect the why is far more complicated than many of us can guess at. Noting this there is a paradox that in the United States there are many things that no other nation can boast of that are positive. Personally and I was to young to comprehend this but when Roe v Wade came down from the Supreme Court there was some seismic change in the political landscape that has forever altered what America was and still influences what it is today.
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It might have been important in the U.S, but as we can see it is, in effect, being overturned by practical measures. Thankfully, in the civilized world, we are much better off.
It is not the norm for places, in the U.K, offering abortion to be firebombed, the workers therein threatened and visitors harrassed.
I'd guess that even those in the civilized world who are ethically opposed to abortion do not think that the U.S practice is either right or good. Personally, I see what happens in the U.S as another manifestation of the cultural sickness.
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Here's the truth: United States culture is sick. Sick on many levels.
And again the Feefster shows his anti-Americanism. You need to broaden your scope old boy. We here in the New World watch you in the Old INSISTING that you LURVE getting hammered in the arse by Sand People to "make up" for colonialism or because you have the Big Feelz for helping the downtrodden while they rape and murder your children, etc. In the not-too-distant future we will speak of "Great Britain" only in the past tense. It is truly a pity.
Of course, that will be less problematic for us with our armed populace. There's a *reason* we never see one of these idiots pop-off at a gun range or a police station - they'd get ventilated in .000002 seconds.
I think that time will show that EVERYONE pretty much knew that the current shooter was a nutter, but NOBODY did anything about it. Same with Lanza in CT. Everyone knew the kid was :censored: ed in the head, but nobody did anything....aside from he brain-damaged mum who though that taking him to the range would "teach him responsibility". Um, how 'bout we start with getting him a puppy and work our way up from there?
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https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/no-there-havent-been-18-school-shootings-this-year-not-even-close/
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https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/no-there-havent-been-18-school-shootings-this-year-not-even-close/
That's right, there's only been 7. So that's all right then......
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https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/no-there-havent-been-18-school-shootings-this-year-not-even-close/
That's right, there's only been 7. So that's all right then......
Well, you have 2 choices:
1) Have school-shootings every year.
2) Give up the second amendment.
In Netherlands we have "gun-control" , as in: You need a permit but you can own and operate firearms. No automatics or semi-automatics, or guns that easily transform in either form. (I would love to see a ban on high-power sniper rifles though, right now they arent)
I severely doubt Americans will choose option 2, because there are simply too much guns with Ammo there and the mindset still isn't that its worth it to have safe schools.
(And no, gun-free schools do not cut it, you can simply shoot the guard and enter).
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Mark you’re confused about “gun free” zones. Armed guards with x-ray machines will work.
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Mark you’re confused about “gun free” zones. Armed guards with x-ray machines will work.
Nah, there's already been a school shooting where the perp simply shot the armed guard and the X-ray machine won't stop you if the guard is dead.
They did build in an alarm off-site in another building after that, so someone will check the security-cam if the alarm sounds. But then you're too late.
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Mark you’re confused about “gun free” zones. Armed guards with x-ray machines will work.
Nah, there's already been a school shooting where the perp simply shot the armed guard and the X-ray machine won't stop you if the guard is dead.
They did build in an alarm off-site in another building after that, so someone will check the security-cam if the alarm sounds. But then you're too late.
They cannot hire only one guard, without any combat experience and expect it to work.
Hire ex-military with combat experience and it will work.
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https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/no-there-havent-been-18-school-shootings-this-year-not-even-close/
That's right, there's only been 7. So that's all right then......
Start practicing for your future in the U.K. Caliphate. :chuckle:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3384027/Women-children-boys-pleasure-secret-shame-Afghanistan-s-bacha-bazi-dancing-boys-dress-like-little-girls-make-skirts-abused-paedophiles.html
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https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/no-there-havent-been-18-school-shootings-this-year-not-even-close/
That's right, there's only been 7. So that's all right then......
Start practicing for your future in the U.K. Caliphate.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3384027/Women-children-boys-pleasure-secret-shame-Afghanistan-s-bacha-bazi-dancing-boys-dress-like-little-girls-make-skirts-abused-paedophiles.html
Oh, the Daily Wail, is that the best retort you can find? How much are their houses worth?
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I hear that in England, a citizen is not even allowed to carry pepper spray because it's considered an 'offensive weapon.' :'(
This snippet from 'Family Guy' just about sums up the effectiveness of unarmed personnel.
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If one needs to summon up a clip from 'Family Guy' to support an argument then any debate about sickness has just been lost!
-as has the argument.
And, yes, pepper spray is an offensive weapon:
...an offensive weapon is any article made or adapted for use for causing injury to the person, or intended by the person having it with him for such use by him, or by some other person.
https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q338.htm
Would you argue that pepper spray is not an offensive weapon? Seriously? :'(
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Would you argue that pepper spray is not an offensive weapon? Seriously? :'(
If I were planning to go on the offensive (ie. attack someone), I certainly wouldn't choose a non-lethal 'weapon' like pepper spray. Aerosol deterrents are only effective as a defensive recourse against violent actions (a terrorist would never use a non-lethal weapon because their intent is to cause bodily harm, not protect themselves).
I guess England has no animal attacks, knifings or rapes to bother defending against. Boy would I like a slice of that paradise.
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If one needs to summon up a clip from 'Family Guy' to support an argument then any debate about sickness has just been lost!
-as has the argument.
So Andrew, returning to your original argument that the United States is sick, do you believe that to include me as well? In other words, America as a whole, or just certain individuals? And if only certain individuals, which ones?
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If one needs to summon up a clip from 'Family Guy' to support an argument then any debate about sickness has just been lost!
-as has the argument.
So Andrew, returning to your original argument that the United States is sick, do you believe that to include me as well? In other words, America as a whole, or just certain individuals? And if only certain individuals, which ones?
Liberals who have TARD. What is that you ask? Trump Associative Resistance Disorder! :laugh:
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The FBi really fooked up on this one had they done their job this shooting would not have happened
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Simple economics. Getting a gun costs a few hundred. Getting health care costs thousands. Nothing is free in life (sorry there is no free lunch).
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Simple economics. Getting a gun costs a few hundred. Getting health care costs thousands. Nothing is free in life (sorry there is no free lunch).
The rest of the world fund it with tax and economies of scale. Ill people can’t feed and supply the machine, a fit working class is what powers consumerism.
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The FBi really fooked up on this one had they done their job this shooting would not have happened
Well, they still haven't found who bombed Wall Street in 1920, so what do you expect? (:)
https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/stories/2007/september/wallstreet_091307
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Simple economics. Getting a gun costs a few hundred. Getting health care costs thousands. Nothing is free in life (sorry there is no free lunch).
The rest of the world fund it with tax and economies of scale. Ill people can’t feed and supply the machine, a fit working class is what powers consumerism.
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But......... nobody wants to pay taxes. What happens when a major part of the populace becomes "non-producing members of society"? For example, over half of the country are seniors with Alzheimer's. The scales can tip to the other end. :snivel:
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Simple economics. Getting a gun costs a few hundred. Getting health care costs thousands. Nothing is free in life (sorry there is no free lunch).
The rest of the world fund it with tax and economies of scale. Ill people can’t feed and supply the machine, a fit working class is what powers consumerism.
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But......... nobody wants to pay taxes. What happens when a major part of the populace becomes "non-producing members of society"? For example, over half of the country are seniors with Alzheimer's. The scales can tip to the other end. :snivel:
A decent society provides a decent pension, old age care etc. Dotty old biddies still eat, dress and consume.
Probably costs more to let people die in streets, or schools in America, dead people contribute nothing and consume nothing.
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Simple economics. Getting a gun costs a few hundred. Getting health care costs thousands. Nothing is free in life (sorry there is no free lunch).
The rest of the world fund it with tax and economies of scale. Ill people can’t feed and supply the machine, a fit working class is what powers consumerism.
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But......... nobody wants to pay taxes. What happens when a major part of the populace becomes "non-producing members of society"? For example, over half of the country are seniors with Alzheimer's. The scales can tip to the other end. :snivel:
A decent society provides a decent pension, old age care etc. Dotty old biddies still eat, dress and consume.
Probably costs more to let people die in streets, or schools in America, dead people contribute nothing and consume nothing.
The NHS is broke and by the time you’re in a nursing home it will be staffed by sand people who will bugger you. Enjoy. :-*
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Hire ex-military with combat experience and it will work.
Ex-military armed guards at schools :sick0002:
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I guess England has no animal attacks,
The odd fox, but generally no. Unless you mean the Muslims attacking our women and children.
knifings
Plenty of those in London. The Muslim mayor says it's all "part and parcel of living in a big city".
or rapes
Plenty of those too. Many against children by members of the religion of peace. Some politicians say we shouldnt talk about it as it damages the leftie right-on inclusivity. :eeekk:
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https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/no-there-havent-been-18-school-shootings-this-year-not-even-close/
That's right, there's only been 7. So that's all right then......
Start practicing for your future in the U.K. Caliphate.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3384027/Women-children-boys-pleasure-secret-shame-Afghanistan-s-bacha-bazi-dancing-boys-dress-like-little-girls-make-skirts-abused-paedophiles.html
Oh, the Daily Wail, is that the best retort you can find? How much are their houses worth?
Are you suggesting the article is untrue?
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The FBi really fooked up on this one had they done their job this shooting would not have happened
Well, they still haven't found who bombed Wall Street in 1920, so what do you expect? (:)
https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/stories/2007/september/wallstreet_091307
The FBI was warned about this Cruz nut job a month ago. If they had not been distracted by a bunch of nonsense about Russia they could have done their jobs and detained him.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/02/16/deputies-called-to-suspected-shooters-home-39-times-over-seven-years/amp/
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For those of you unfamiliar with the American cartoon show 'Family Guy,' know that they're 'an equal opportunity employer.' Here's a jab at the prevalence of shootings in the US:
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I guess England has no animal attacks,
The odd fox, but generally no. Unless you mean the Muslims attacking our women and children.
Lots of irresponsible pitbull owners here in the States. Two years ago my cousin got a nasty bite from one of those dogs. I'm not saying that you could properly implement the use of pepper spray every time, but it gives you a better chance.
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Hire ex-military with combat experience and it will work.
Ex-military armed guards at schools :sick0002:
A friend sends his kids to private school. Several of the teachers have concealed carry permits and teach with their weapons on their person at the ready.
Several parents including my friend when going to the school have their firearms on their person at the ready. They are not going to be victims of the next fruit loop.
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Mark you’re confused about “gun free” zones. Armed guards with x-ray machines will work.
Nah, there's already been a school shooting where the perp simply shot the armed guard and the X-ray machine won't stop you if the guard is dead.
They did build in an alarm off-site in another building after that, so someone will check the security-cam if the alarm sounds. But then you're too late.
They cannot hire only one guard, without any combat experience and expect it to work.
Hire ex-military with combat experience and it will work.
And what if the guard has a melt down? Shooting fish in a barrel.
I get that you guys have a different culture & I respect that. I’ve visited the states quite a few times and enjoyed it but I prefer living in Scotland where people don’t walk about armed with guns.
It just ain’t for me. We’ve got plenty nutters here and giving them access to firearms would escalate things rapidly. We’ve had a knife problem for decades, we don’t need guns to make it worse.
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I guess England has no animal attacks,
The odd fox, but generally no. Unless you mean the Muslims attacking our women and children.
knifings
Plenty of those in London. The Muslim mayor says it's all "part and parcel of living in a big city".
or rapes
Plenty of those too. Many against children by members of the religion of peace. Some politicians say we shouldnt talk about it as it damages the leftie right-on inclusivity. :eeekk:
Careful now Manny. Ste & ’Mobes’ will be along to tell you that Catholic priests & Jimmy Saville did it too.
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I am glad to see the inane arguments re "gun control" as a solution to this problem are not being aired here as they are all over the main stream media in Europe.
Simple fact is that "gun control" will ONLY work in an environment where the possession of firearms is not widespread. If you are already down to single percentage figures of the population who own firearms then this approach could / will work. In this scenario the vast majority of households do not possess firearms and will back further restrictions on ownership. This is the case in several European countries including UK.
USA has the highest level of gun ownership in the world by a large margin (88 firearms per 100 people). Countries with recent conflicts (civil wars) are also high on this list - Cyprus is No. 5 and I suspect it would be even higher placed if the population of TRNC (North Cyprus) were included. In my personal experience nearly ALL households in TNRC hold firearms.
In this scenario the majority of people own firearms. They are not going to agree to significant "gun control" measures. Tinkering around at the edges will not have a significant effect. Banning automatic weapons (like assault rifles, automatic pistols) simply won't work. Nearly all semi-automatic firearms can be modified to automatic given access to a machine shop. This is why Bill Clinton's ban on assault rifles was mere "window dressing"...
Granted measures should be put in place to stop the mentally ill having access to firearms. However these measures will never be 100% effective. Lunatics will get access to firearms in a society where they are commonplace.
To move on to "school shootings" My children attended attended private school in Turkey (a country where firearms are commonplace) In the past these schools were subject to criminal and terrorist attack (kidnapping rich kids is a major source of income for the terrorist groups). This activity is now rare because of the safeguards which have been put in place. These include -
Surrounding the school with a 3 meter high ram resistant fence.
Entry to the school is via a checkpoint which is manned by the Jandarma (Several heavily armed, specialist police)
All students go through a security arch. No weapons enter school.
The whole school is monitored via CCTV.
No Student or parent cars are allowed on site. School buses can have armed guards.
Now all of these measures are expensive and make the school look like a prison camp. Planting trees/shrubs does soften this impression over time but the high cost of putting these measures in place and maintaining them is significant. Now for a private school where the fees are several times the average income this is not an issue. Parents will pay. However these measures have NEVER been implemented in state schools for this reason.
The same measures will work in US schools. The big question is are these measures affordable and who pays??
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Hire ex-military with combat experience and it will work.
Ex-military armed guards at schools :sick0002:
A friend sends his kids to private school. Several of the teachers have concealed carry permits and teach with their weapons on their person at the ready.
Several parents including my friend when going to the school have their firearms on their person at the ready. They are not going to be victims of the next fruit loop.
We generally end up going round in circles with this but even the suggestion of x ray machines, armed guards and ex military at UK schools sounds mental.
We’ll have a few rough schools in poor inner city areas with their problems but that’s a tiny perecentage of all the schools in the U.K. These schools don’t suffer from shootings and it’s generally the odd black kid being stabbed by his black mate.
The Dunlane incident in 96 was shocking but it’s never happened since.
My point is, you laugh at us for not having guns but the benefit to society as a whole, is one worth having. We can tease about Muslim future invasions etc but the reality is, we’re safer for not having guns.
I’m not one to say how you should live so each to their own but I’m happy with how life is here.
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lordofthedance - go read what I wrote. I believe I was pretty clear in my writing. Are you mentally ill? How would I know? What does your therapist think?
There's a difference between the behaviour of humans individually and the behaviour of humans en masse. I am sure that you understand that.
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lordofthedance - go read what I wrote. I believe I was pretty clear in my writing. Are you mentally ill? How would I know? What does your therapist think?
There's a difference between the behaviour of humans individually and the behaviour of humans en masse. I am sure that you understand that.
Honestly Andrew I think that's a big part of our problem here in the US; we don't grasp the concept that humans individually can behave differently than humans en masse. As an example, I am a weapons collector and as such own some of the deadliest weapons that a civilian could ever get his/her hands on. At the same time, I wouldn't hurt a butterfly, let alone a person. I think a lot of people struggle to understand why a gentle, sensitive person such as myself would ever want to own a bunch of 'killing machines.' It's a passionate hobby is all.
I did refer back to post 543 (where you state that our culture is sick), but I'm still confused as to what part of our culture you're referring. Would you care to expound further so as to help me understand? I can only assume that your comment about giving every citizen guns and ammunition to 'have at each other' is purely facetious. Still, I believe you are trying to claim a valid argument that our culture is suffering and I'd like to hear more about what parts of our society, specifically, you feel are ailing. I think a valid argument could be made that many cultures are 'sick' in one way or another, but I think there's always opportunity for convalescence just the same.
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lordofthedance - go read what I wrote. I believe I was pretty clear in my writing. Are you mentally ill? How would I know? What does your therapist think?
There's a difference between the behaviour of humans individually and the behaviour of humans en masse. I am sure that you understand that.
Honestly Andrew I think that's a big part of our problem here in the US; we don't grasp the concept that humans individually can behave differently than humans en masse. As an example, I am a weapons collector and as such own some of the deadliest weapons that a civilian could ever get his/her hands on. At the same time, I wouldn't hurt a butterfly, let alone a person. I think a lot of people struggle to understand why a gentle, sensitive person such as myself would ever want to own a bunch of 'killing machines.' It's a passionate hobby is all.
I did refer back to post 543 (where you state that our culture is sick), but I'm still confused as to what part of our culture you're referring. Would you care to expound further so as to help me understand? I can only assume that your comment about giving every citizen guns and ammunition to 'have at each other' is purely facetious. Still, I believe you are trying to claim a valid argument that our culture is suffering and I'd like to hear more about what parts of our society, specifically, you feel are ailing. I think a valid argument could be made that many cultures are 'sick' in one way or another, but I think there's always opportunity for convalescence just the same.
I suspect Andrew prefers to believe that American society as a whole is sick.
Whereas the reality is that only a very small percentage of individuals are sick enough to commit such heinous acts of violence.
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Hire ex-military with combat experience and it will work.
Ex-military armed guards at schools :sick0002:
A friend sends his kids to private school. Several of the teachers have concealed carry permits and teach with their weapons on their person at the ready.
Several parents including my friend when going to the school have their firearms on their person at the ready. They are not going to be victims of the next fruit loop.
We generally end up going round in circles with this but even the suggestion of x ray machines, armed guards and ex military at UK schools sounds mental.
We’ll have a few rough schools in poor inner city areas with their problems but that’s a tiny perecentage of all the schools in the U.K. These schools don’t suffer from shootings and it’s generally the odd black kid being stabbed by his black mate.
The Dunlane incident in 96 was shocking but it’s never happened since.
My point is, you laugh at us for not having guns but the benefit to society as a whole, is one worth having. We can tease about Muslim future invasions etc but the reality is, we’re safer for not having guns.
I’m not one to say how you should live so each to their own but I’m happy with how life is here.
I suggest you read the post by LeslieD again.
There are probably close to 400 Million legally registered firearms in the USA. Who would be tasked with rounding these up, the FBI?
Trump supporters already believe the FBI was improperly hijacked by Democrats. Comey and others covering up for Hillary’s felony misuse of emails just the tip of the iceberg.
Civil war would quickly commence and Republicans would easily win. Some of us believe another civil war is only a matter of time. Liberals have gone insane enmasse so we’re watching and waiting.
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Hire ex-military with combat experience and it will work.
Ex-military armed guards at schools :sick0002:
A friend sends his kids to private school. Several of the teachers have concealed carry permits and teach with their weapons on their person at the ready.
Several parents including my friend when going to the school have their firearms on their person at the ready. They are not going to be victims of the next fruit loop.
We generally end up going round in circles with this but even the suggestion of x ray machines, armed guards and ex military at UK schools sounds mental.
We’ll have a few rough schools in poor inner city areas with their problems but that’s a tiny perecentage of all the schools in the U.K. These schools don’t suffer from shootings and it’s generally the odd black kid being stabbed by his black mate.
The Dunlane incident in 96 was shocking but it’s never happened since.
My point is, you laugh at us for not having guns but the benefit to society as a whole, is one worth having. We can tease about Muslim future invasions etc but the reality is, we’re safer for not having guns.
I’m not one to say how you should live so each to their own but I’m happy with how life is here.
I suggest you read the post by LeslieD again.
There are probably close to 400 Million legally registered firearms in the USA. Who would be tasked with rounding these up, the FBI?
Trump supporters already believe the FBI was improperly hijacked by Democrats. Comey and others covering up for Hillary’s felony misuse of emails just the tip of the iceberg.
Civil war would quickly commence and Republicans would easily win. Some of us believe another civil war is only a matter of time. Liberals have gone insane enmasse so we’re watching and waiting.
I'd suggest you read my post again. It's not about the USA, the point was about the UK and how different our cultures and attitudes are to many things. I couldn't care what the US does and its not my place to be vocal about it. If you ask my opinion I'll give you it.
My point was that I wouldn't swap our gun culture for yours and as you've already said, you're too far down that road to either admit there's a problem or do anything about it.
Les lives in Turkey, I wouldn't live there either.
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Hire ex-military with combat experience and it will work.
Ex-military armed guards at schools :sick0002:
A friend sends his kids to private school. Several of the teachers have concealed carry permits and teach with their weapons on their person at the ready.
Several parents including my friend when going to the school have their firearms on their person at the ready. They are not going to be victims of the next fruit loop.
We generally end up going round in circles with this but even the suggestion of x ray machines, armed guards and ex military at UK schools sounds mental.
We’ll have a few rough schools in poor inner city areas with their problems but that’s a tiny perecentage of all the schools in the U.K. These schools don’t suffer from shootings and it’s generally the odd black kid being stabbed by his black mate.
The Dunlane incident in 96 was shocking but it’s never happened since.
My point is, you laugh at us for not having guns but the benefit to society as a whole, is one worth having. We can tease about Muslim future invasions etc but the reality is, we’re safer for not having guns.
I’m not one to say how you should live so each to their own but I’m happy with how life is here.
I suggest you read the post by LeslieD again.
There are probably close to 400 Million legally registered firearms in the USA. Who would be tasked with rounding these up, the FBI?
Trump supporters already believe the FBI was improperly hijacked by Democrats. Comey and others covering up for Hillary’s felony misuse of emails just the tip of the iceberg.
Civil war would quickly commence and Republicans would easily win. Some of us believe another civil war is only a matter of time. Liberals have gone insane enmasse so we’re watching and waiting.
I'd suggest you read my post again. It's not about the USA, the point was about the UK and how different our cultures and attitudes are to many things. I couldn't care what the US does and its not my place to be vocal about it. If you ask my opinion I'll give you it.
My point was that I wouldn't swap our gun culture for yours and as you've already said, you're too far down that road to either admit there's a problem or do anything about it.
Les lives in Turkey, I wouldn't live there either.
I did read your post. Two entirely different places. I’m certainly not interested in telling folks in the UK how to live their lives either. Cheers. :BEER:
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Something the USA and Islam have in common: they both have highly illiberal masses, rooted in the past, with an irrational attachment to their 'sacred texts' (the constitution and the Koran respectively) that are centuries out of date, were written for a very different age, and sadly regarded as inviolable, but in reality, need serious reformation for the modern age. It's bitterly ironic that the USA right wing is so hostile to Islam, when in actuality they are flip sides of the same coin.
Listening to the USA's conservatives wring their minds and disastrously distort all apparent logic and reason through the mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance needed to justify mass gun ownership is ludicrous. Utterly, utterly ludicrous.
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Well I wasn't making any judgement re UK or American society. I was merely pointing out that a solution that works in the UK could never work in the USA...
The US can take action to curtail these school massacres but the solution has NOTHING to do with "gun control" that is is pure lib-tard rhetoric. Hey Bill Clinton started it and the lib-tards still trot out the same useless arguments every time this happens. Effective "gun control" (like in UK) is politically impossible in USA.
I outlined a workable approach in my last post on this thread. The issue is that the solution is expensive and who is going to pay? This is not new it has been known for a very long time. Expressions of grief for a few young lives lost or futile rhetoric on gun control are very cheap - effective prevention will cost billions...
Guess which approach US politicians are going to go along with (:)
Angry and futile rhetoric about gun control (Democrats and the left).
Sympathy, regret and appeals to the Almighty (Republicans and the right).
This scenario will replay endlessly...
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Well I wasn't making any judgement re UK or American society. I was merely pointing out that a solution that works in the UK could never work in the USA...
The US can take action to curtail these school massacres but the solution has NOTHING to do with "gun control" that is is pure lib-tard rhetoric. Hey Bill Clinton started it and the lib-tards still trot out the same useless arguments every time this happens. Effective "gun control" (like in UK) is politically impossible in USA.
I outlined a workable approach in my last post on this thread. The issue is that the solution is expensive and who is going to pay? This is not new it has been known for a very long time. Expressions of grief for a few young lives lost or futile rhetoric on gun control are very cheap - effective prevention will cost billions...
Guess which approach US politicians are going to go along with (:)
Angry and futile rhetoric about gun control (Democrats and the left).
Sympathy, regret and appeals to the Almighty (Republicans and the right).
This scenario will replay endlessly...
Agree 100%. Most liberals have no clue how close we are to becoming another victim of Communism, but this time in the West. They always say: it could never happen here...yet they're the ones who would cheer if the FBI were rounding up Conservatives for some sort of Gulag.
Gun Control: Soviet Russia, check. 50 Million murdered. Nazi Germany, check. Approximately 12 Million murdered. Communist China, check. 80 to 100 Million murdered. Cambodia, check. 3 Million murdered.
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Listening to the USA's conservatives Liberals wring their minds and disastrously distort all apparent logic and reason through the mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance needed to justify mass gun ownership control is ludicrous. Utterly, utterly ludicrous.
There, FTFY.
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School shootings are the product of two things:
A - malignant narcissism + anti-social personality disorder (which is how you get “natural born killers”)
Or
B - loneliness, ostracism and alienation.
We’ve had a wide distribution of guns among all levels of society fro the founding of the Republic. School shootings on became a “thing” in the 1990s. What changed? Not the guns.
I expect that it’s only going to get worse as we continue to marginalize boys because: GRRRL Power! Girls rule! Boys drool!
If we engage boys, rather than treating them like defective girls, results will improve. If we don’t, the body counts will continue to rise.
B/B
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Careful now Manny. Ste & ’Mobes’ will be along to tell you that Catholic priests & Jimmy Saville did it too.
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Don't worry, rosco .. Manny's "How Britain really is" 'factoids' are safe from any reasoned ripostes ...
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Careful now Manny. Ste & ’Mobes’ will be along to tell you that Catholic priests & Jimmy Saville did it too.
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Don't worry, rosco .. Manny's "How Britain really is" 'factoids' are safe from any reasoned ripostes ...
Phew. You’ve done us all a favour.
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School shootings are the product of two things:
A - malignant narcissism + anti-social personality disorder (which is how you get “natural born killers”)
Or
B - loneliness, ostracism and alienation.
We’ve had a wide distribution of guns among all levels of society fro the founding of the Republic. School shootings on became a “thing” in the 1990s. What changed? Not the guns.
I expect that it’s only going to get worse as we continue to marginalize boys because: GRRRL Power! Girls rule! Boys drool!
If we engage boys, rather than treating them like defective girls, results will improve. If we don’t, the body counts will continue to rise.
B/B
This is an interesting observation. I suspect it’s also a result of poor parenting coupled with less outdoor activity and more video games.
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Common sense dictates we do something to restrict the use of military style weapons in crime.
For me the answer is extending the federal registration process used for fully automatic weapons to semiautomatic military style weapons. If an individual or corporation wants to own one for the enjoyment of shooting it at targets, make them pay a $200 registration fee, submit a 12 page application, pass a 1 year background check, submit fingerprints and accept criminal responsibility if their weapon is ever used in a crime - the exact same procedure they have to go through to own a fully automatic weapon. Since the feds started doing this for fully automatic weapons in 1934 only twice has a legally licensed fully automatic weapons been used in a crime.
I know from personal experience there is a level of enjoyment shooting a weapon with such rapidity of fire. That said people who want to do it safely should have that right - but the weapon should be properly registered and safeguarded against misuse. I forgot to mention the penalty for possessing an unregistered automatic weapon is between 5-10 years in a federal prison and a fine of between $100,000 and $250,000. IMHO if my suggestion was implemented that would provide an adequate deterrent to keep law abiding people from owning unregistered weapons.
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Common sense dictates we do something to restrict the use of military style weapons in crime.
For me the answer is extending the federal registration process used for fully automatic weapons to semiautomatic military style weapons. If an individual or corporation wants to own one for the enjoyment of shooting it at targets, make them pay a $200 registration fee, submit a 12 page application, pass a 1 year background check, submit fingerprints and accept criminal responsibility if their weapon is ever used in a crime - the exact same procedure they have to go through to own a fully automatic weapon. Since the feds started doing this for fully automatic weapons in 1934 only twice has a legally licensed fully automatic weapons been used in a crime.
I know from personal experience there is a level of enjoyment shooting a weapon with such rapidity of fire. That said people who want to do it safely should have that right - but the weapon should be properly registered and safeguarded against misuse. I forgot to mention the penalty for possessing an unregistered automatic weapon is between 5-10 years in a federal prison and a fine of between $100,000 and $250,000. IMHO if my suggestion was implemented that would provide an adequate deterrent to keep law abiding people from owning unregistered weapons.
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Common sense dictates we do something to restrict the use of military style weapons in crime.
For me the answer is extending the federal registration process used for fully automatic weapons to semiautomatic military style weapons. If an individual or corporation wants to own one for the enjoyment of shooting it at targets, make them pay a $200 registration fee, submit a 12 page application, pass a 1 year background check, submit fingerprints and accept criminal responsibility if their weapon is ever used in a crime - the exact same procedure they have to go through to own a fully automatic weapon. Since the feds started doing this for fully automatic weapons in 1934 only twice has a legally licensed fully automatic weapons been used in a crime.
I know from personal experience there is a level of enjoyment shooting a weapon with such rapidity of fire. That said people who want to do it safely should have that right - but the weapon should be properly registered and safeguarded against misuse. I forgot to mention the penalty for possessing an unregistered automatic weapon is between 5-10 years in a federal prison and a fine of between $100,000 and $250,000. IMHO if my suggestion was implemented that would provide an adequate deterrent to keep law abiding people from owning unregistered weapons.
I know very little about the legalities in the US but I'm somewhat surprised this isn't already standard procedure.
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I know very little about the legalities in the US but I'm somewhat surprised this isn't already standard procedure.
The NRA (National Rifle Assn) is the strongest lobby entity in Washington and they consider ANY restriction on the ownership and use of firearms like a "domino theory"; in other words once the first restriction on gun ownership is successfully passed, it becomes easier to pass more restrictions in that vein.
I'm sure The NRA would go apoplectic if my suggestion was ever brought forward as a bill on either side of Congres
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Legalise guns, ban bullets - simples!
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Common sense dictates we do something to restrict the use of military style weapons in crime.
What's a "military style" weapon? Is it one that 'looks mean'?
For me the answer is extending the federal registration process used for fully automatic weapons to semiautomatic military style weapons. If an individual or corporation wants to own one for the enjoyment of shooting it at targets, make them pay a $200 registration fee, submit a 12 page application, pass a 1 year background check, submit fingerprints and accept criminal responsibility if their weapon is ever used in a crime - the exact same procedure they have to go through to own a fully automatic weapon. Since the feds started doing this for fully automatic weapons in 1934 only twice has a legally licensed fully automatic weapons been used in a crime.
This is a colossally shit idea. This sort of thing, along with they "Hey! Let's :censored: over gun owners by making them buy Really Expensive or even Unobtainable insurance!" is really a back door way to make gun ownership cost prohibitive for a large segment of the population and will also fail because...wait for it...Criminals don't obey the law to begin with!
The statistic you cite on fully-auto weapons is for legally-owned ones. The guys who are most likely to use them to commit crimes AREN'T going to go through the process of getting licensed.
a federal prison and a fine of between $100,000 and $250,000. IMHO if my suggestion was implemented that would provide an adequate deterrent to keep law abiding people from owning unregistered weapons.
Is there any basis for those numbers or is it that you want to "flex" about how tough on crime you are? Because that's usually how that goes.
How about we go about combating the actually CAUSES of juvenile gun crime instead of posing so the libs will "like us"?
B/B
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The NRA (National Rifle Assn) is the strongest lobby entity in Washington and they consider ANY restriction on the ownership and use of firearms like a "domino theory"; in other words once the first restriction on gun ownership is successfully passed, it becomes easier to pass more restrictions in that vein.
Just like any single issue advocacy group does. Ever here or NARAL or Planned Parenthood agreeing to "reasonable" restrictions on elective abortions? Oh, and in other non-news, AIPAC doesn't like it when we do anything other than cheer lead for Israel and pat them on the head, no matter what they do.
I'm sure The NRA would go apoplectic if my suggestion was ever brought forward as a bill on either side of Congres
Rightly so; it's a crap idea.
Legalise guns, ban bullets - simples!
This is, from time to time, proposed in some form (price ammo extremely high, require punitive insurance premiums) but the reality is that it would not (and should not) stand up to Constitutional scrutiny, to wit a right which cannot be exercised is no right.
B/B
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The NRA (National Rifle Assn) is the strongest lobby entity in Washington and they consider ANY restriction on the ownership and use of firearms like a "domino theory"; in other words once the first restriction on gun ownership is successfully passed, it becomes easier to pass more restrictions in that vein.
Just like any single issue advocacy group does. Ever here or NARAL or Planned Parenthood agreeing to "reasonable" restrictions on elective abortions? Oh, and in other non-news, AIPAC doesn't like it when we do anything other than cheer lead for Israel and pat them on the head, no matter what they do.
I'm sure The NRA would go apoplectic if my suggestion was ever brought forward as a bill on either side of Congres
Rightly so; it's a crap idea.
Legalise guns, ban bullets - simples!
This is, from time to time, proposed in some form (price ammo extremely high, require punitive insurance premiums) but the reality is that it would not (and should not) stand up to Constitutional scrutiny, to wit a right which cannot be exercised is no right.
B/B
Have you ever heard of Charles Whitman, 1966?
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Had to do some checking but my memory is correct the NRA actively supported a ban on so-called machine guns and automatic weapons in the 1930's. This law still stands it seems though the NRA has recently back peddled on its stance.
A fully automatic weapon such as an AK-47 or M16 is illegal to posses as a civilian in the United States. The weapon fires multiple bullets when the trigger is pulled. It is also here where the debate about the legality of so-called bump stocks arose after the massacre in Las Vegas. Oddly enough it seems for a time the NRA was again a proponent for the regulation or outlawing of such modification devices.
I guess the question in my mind is how many bullets and how quickly do you need to fire them to drop Bambi?
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Had to do some checking but my memory is correct the NRA actively supported a ban on so-called machine guns and automatic weapons in the 1930's. This law still stands it seems though the NRA has recently back peddled on its stance.
A fully automatic weapon such as an AK-47 or M16 is illegal to posses as a civilian in the United States. The weapon fires multiple bullets when the trigger is pulled. It is also here where the debate about the legality of so-called bump stocks arose after the massacre in Las Vegas. Oddly enough it seems for a time the NRA was again a proponent for the regulation or outlawing of such modification devices.
I guess the question in my mind is how many bullets and how quickly do you need to fire them to drop Bambi?
I want to be careful here because I'm not up on the laws as much as I should be, but I know that many gun laws are state by state, not federal. As an example of this, here in Pennsylvania we don't have a magazine limit, in California (among others), I believe the magazine capacity limit is ten rounds. I have a 100 round drum mag for my Thompson M1, which would be highly illegal in CA but perfectly legal here in PA.
Machine guns are legal to own and operate in PA with stipulations: manufactured prior to the 1986 ban and autofire endorsement on your FFL (federal firearm license). I'm guessing that states like CA could override the FFL endorsement by state law (despite the fact it is federally issued) but I'm not sure about that. Contrary to what many believe, there are actually a ton of laws in the US regulating firearms, but they're tricky to understand and vary by state so their effectiveness is debatable.
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Had to do some checking but my memory is correct the NRA actively supported a ban on so-called machine guns and automatic weapons in the 1930's. This law still stands it seems though the NRA has recently back peddled on its stance.
A fully automatic weapon such as an AK-47 or M16 is illegal to posses as a civilian in the United States. The weapon fires multiple bullets when the trigger is pulled. It is also here where the debate about the legality of so-called bump stocks arose after the massacre in Las Vegas. Oddly enough it seems for a time the NRA was again a proponent for the regulation or outlawing of such modification devices.
I guess the question in my mind is how many bullets and how quickly do you need to fire them to drop Bambi?
I want to be careful here because I'm not up on the laws as much as I should be, but I know that many gun laws are state by state, not federal. As an example of this, here in Pennsylvania we don't have a magazine limit, in California (among others), I believe the magazine capacity limit is ten rounds. I have a 100 round drum mag for my Thompson M1, which would be highly illegal in CA but perfectly legal here in PA.
Machine guns are legal to own and operate in PA with stipulations: manufactured prior to the 1986 ban and autofire endorsement on your FFL (federal firearm license). I'm guessing that states like CA could override the FFL endorsement by state law (despite the fact it is federally issued) but I'm not sure about that. Contrary to what many believe, there are actually a ton of laws in the US regulating firearms, but they're tricky to understand and vary by state so their effectiveness is debatable.
Hear that Ste? He owns a Thompson machine gun with a 100 round drum!
Lord if I ever said anything to upset you please forgive and forget. :laugh:
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Lord if I ever said anything to upset you please forgive and forget. :laugh:
;D Wouldn't hurt a fly my friend.
I get just as upset as the next person when a bunch of innocent people (kids or not) are murdered. But I'm not the problem and the weapons that I'm responsible for aren't the problem either. I don't have all the answers, but I won't take the blame (and without trying to sound boastful or 'mushy,' I've actually got a bigger heart than most).
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Common sense dictates we do something to restrict the use of military style weapons in crime.
What's a "military style" weapon? Is it one that 'looks mean'?
For me the answer is extending the federal registration process used for fully automatic weapons to semiautomatic military style weapons. If an individual or corporation wants to own one for the enjoyment of shooting it at targets, make them pay a $200 registration fee, submit a 12 page application, pass a 1 year background check, submit fingerprints and accept criminal responsibility if their weapon is ever used in a crime - the exact same procedure they have to go through to own a fully automatic weapon. Since the feds started doing this for fully automatic weapons in 1934 only twice has a legally licensed fully automatic weapons been used in a crime.
This is a colossally shit idea. This sort of thing, along with they "Hey! Let's :censored: over gun owners by making them buy Really Expensive or even Unobtainable insurance!" is really a back door way to make gun ownership cost prohibitive for a large segment of the population and will also fail because...wait for it...Criminals don't obey the law to begin with!
The statistic you cite on fully-auto weapons is for legally-owned ones. The guys who are most likely to use them to commit crimes AREN'T going to go through the process of getting licensed.
a federal prison and a fine of between $100,000 and $250,000. IMHO if my suggestion was implemented that would provide an adequate deterrent to keep law abiding people from owning unregistered weapons.
Is there any basis for those numbers or is it that you want to "flex" about how tough on crime you are? Because that's usually how that goes.
How about we go about combating the actually CAUSES of juvenile gun crime instead of posing so the libs will "like us"?
B/B
Top tier criminals of course won’t suffer from regulation but I’d be interested to see some stats on just how many incidents occur, with normal folks armed to the teeth who then lose the plot. Those guys don’t start out as criminals.
I’m debating you rather than opposing you here but you cant deny that regulation will limit those who don’t really want a gun, for legitimate purposes. Nobody likes paper work or hassel but you’ll do it if you’re serious about something.
At the moment everyone can carry so I’d think well, if the looneys have guns I better have a gun to protect myself. Humans in general are arseholes and everyone loses the rag at some point but the gun escalates the outcome to 100 with a pulse of the trigger.
Still it’s your country boys, do as you please!
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I have a 100 round drum mag for my Thompson M1, which would be highly illegal in CA but perfectly legal here in PA.
The Thompson is one of the iconic Machine Guns. With nicknames such as The Tommy Gun, Chicago Typewriter and Trench Sweeper.
It is also the subject of a great song > <
Is yours a WWII vintage weapon?
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I fail to see every time, how people can talk about:
- But but, criminals will not obey the law.
This is not about criminals, this is about sick people getting access to guns.
If sane parents cannot or will not own guns, their youth can not go around shooting people.
This won't end until the above point drives home (finally).
Meanwhile : Sane teenagers are rising up to the status quo according to Dutch news.
Quote: We don't want your thoughts and prayers, you piece of Sh*t , do something!
Quote: We don't want to be afraid of school shootings anymore!
Quote: Thoughts and prayers are not enough! Take actions or Step down!
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I have a 100 round drum mag for my Thompson M1, which would be highly illegal in CA but perfectly legal here in PA.
Is yours a WWII vintage weapon?
Yes it is. And judging from its condition, it has seen only moderate use... the most valuable firearm I own, it stays in the safe at all times. I have fired it before, but only to test. Not like I'm taking it to the range on Saturdays! One day I hope to open a museum, but like the FSU partner, maybe only a dream(?).
Good song! Another good one:
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Have you ever heard of Charles Whitman, 1966?
Whitman was an anomaly for sure. He had a brain tumor. Left behind a note to have his brain studied.
I guess the question in my mind is how many bullets and how quickly do you need to fire them to drop Bambi?
The 2nd Am is not limited to keeping guns for hunting.
I want to be careful here because I'm not up on the laws as much as I should be, but I know that many gun laws are state by state, not federal. As an example of this, here in Pennsylvania we don't have a magazine limit, in California (among others), I believe the magazine capacity limit is ten rounds.
Any magazine capacity restriction that is <30 is :censored: ing retarded and is just designed to harass gun owners, as anyone who has shot live fire and reloaded will tell you, dropping a magazine and inserting a new clip can be done instantaneously.
Top tier criminals of course won’t suffer from regulation but I’d be interested to see some stats on just how many incidents occur, with normal folks armed to the teeth who then lose the plot. Those guys don’t start out as criminals.
We have had guns all along. We had virtually no school shootings for >200 years.
Fix the cause, not the symptom.
I’m debating you rather than opposing you here but you cant deny that regulation will limit those who don’t really want a gun, for legitimate purposes. Nobody likes paper work or hassel but you’ll do it if you’re serious about something.
"Reasonable regulation" will be used as a weapon against legitimate gun owners. I've SEEN IT happen.
At the moment everyone can carry so I’d think well, if the looneys have guns I better have a gun to protect myself. Humans in general are arseholes and everyone loses the rag at some point but the gun escalates the outcome to 100 with a pulse of the trigger.
Generally not true. If you look at who shoots who, why do folks in rural states with prevalence of guns NOT kill each other?
Have a look here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_death_rates_in_the_United_States_by_state#Murders). to go the far right column and tweak it in ascending order. Look at the top 10 states for least gun murders per capita. They're either Red States or blue states that are "red" on guns (ME, NH, VT). Only Hawaii and Oregon are blue.
Now look at the bottom 10. PA, GA, MS, DE, MI SC, MD, MO, LA and DC. Almost all of them have a big, rotting blue city in them (Philly, Atlanta, Detroit, Baltimore, St. Louis, Nola and Washington.)
Why to city folks want to kill each other so bad?
Still it’s your country boys, do as you please!
:censored: in'-A right. British opinions haven't mattered here for more than 240 years. :)
You guys can keep your muzzie pedophiles, and we'll keep our guns, thanks.
If sane parents cannot or will not own guns, their youth can not go around shooting people.
N.B. A lot of time the parents have the guns locked up and the kids who kill get them from grandfather's house.
One thing I would do, when there were family gatherings at my parents house, would be to secure the firearms that my dad had before the younger generations arrived. With no kids in the house, he didn't necessarily keep them locked up. Better safe than sorry, I think.
This won't end until the above point drives home (finally).
Fix the Cause, not the Symptom.
Meanwhile : Sane teenagers are rising up to the status quo according to Dutch news.
Quote: We don't want your thoughts and prayers, you piece of Sh*t , do something!
Quote: We don't want to be afraid of school shootings anymore!
Quote: Thoughts and prayers are not enough! Take actions or Step down!
Wrong. ENGAGEMENT works; condemning people for disagreeing with you does not.
B/B
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Fix the Cause, not the Symptom.
Meanwhile : Sane teenagers are rising up to the status quo according to Dutch news.
Quote: We don't want your thoughts and prayers, you piece of Sh*t , do something!
Quote: We don't want to be afraid of school shootings anymore!
Quote: Thoughts and prayers are not enough! Take actions or Step down!
Wrong. ENGAGEMENT works; condemning people for disagreeing with you does not.
B/B
As you keep blowing up harsh words for the muzzie-lovers in Europe, you fail to see that you need to reverse that train of thought for the USA.
Second amendment was good at one time, it is still good for some purposes (oppose the gov't) , but society can no longer deal with it as mentally ill people can far to easily get their hands on guns.
You can fix the problem by either making better free healthcare (and thus more communism according to some) because Mentally insane are never going to get insured otherwise. Or by making guns go away.
There are so many school shootings in the USA, its not even in the news anymore unless the death-toll hits 10+ people :(
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I fail to see every time, how people can talk about:
- But but, criminals will not obey the law.
This is not about criminals, this is about sick people getting access to guns.
If sane parents cannot or will not own guns, their youth can not go around shooting people.
This won't end until the above point drives home (finally).
Meanwhile : Sane teenagers are rising up to the status quo according to Dutch news.
Quote: We don't want your thoughts and prayers, you piece of Sh*t , do something!
Quote: We don't want to be afraid of school shootings anymore!
Quote: Thoughts and prayers are not enough! Take actions or Step down!
Chicago has gun control. Tell us again why it has the highest murder rate by firearms in the USA?
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Chicago has gun control. Tell us again why it has the highest murder rate by firearms in the USA?
Chicago is not all of the USA.
Simply put: If suddenly london decides to drive on the right side of the road, there will be accidents!
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Chicago has gun control. Tell us again why it has the highest murder rate by firearms in the USA?
Chicago is not all of the USA.
Simply put: If suddenly london decides to drive on the right side of the road, there will be accidents!
Go up and read the stats B/B provided you for rural states. Take Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore and a few other “gun control” cities out of the USA stats and our murder rate per 100K citizens goes way down.
The media is manipulating those high school kids. One of the kids has a father in the FBI. The FBI failed on this Cruz kid big time, Trump pointed it out and the media is stirring up a hornets nest.
It’ll all blow over until the next one. Our laws won’t change. Sorry but your opinion means less than a British one. :coffeeread:
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Your opinion means less than a British one. :coffeeread:
Well, luckily for me, my son lives here in NL. Where no school shootings whatsoever exist.
Even knifings are very rare (once a decade?) and make main-stream-media news every time.
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What's a "military style" weapon? Is it one that 'looks mean'?
A "military style" assault weapon is a semi-automatic, high capacity magazine weapon; one that is modeled after a weapon being used by combat forces today or in the past. They generally meet these criterion:
(1) Semi-automatic firearm capable of accepting a detachable magazine,
(2) Folding or telescoping (collapsible) stock, which reduces the overall length of the firearm,
(3) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon,
(4) Bayonet lug, which allows the mounting of a bayonet,
(5) Threaded barrel, which can accept devices such as a flash suppressor or muzzle brake
Examples might be AR-15, AKM, Uzi, Tech 9, Ruger 10-22
This is a colossally shit idea. This sort of thing, along with they "Hey! Let's :censored: over gun owners by making them buy Really Expensive or even Unobtainable insurance!" is really a back door way to make gun ownership cost prohibitive for a large segment of the population and will also fail because...wait for it...Criminals don't obey the law to begin with!
I think it's a fantastic and workable idea. Why shouldn't legitimate and lawful sport shooters in possession of a dangerous weapon be compelled to prove they're mentally and financially capable of owning one? The scale just tipped last Friday in favor of protecting children verses a sports shooters enjoyment of shooting such a weapon.
The statistic you cite on fully-auto weapons is for legally-owned ones. The guys who are most likely to use them to commit crimes AREN'T going to go through the process of getting licensed.
The fines will compel legal users to register and safeguard them adequately. We've already admitted that we cannot control the non-legal users. So slap more punishment on people who use unlicensed weapons in the commission of a crime is the only logical answer.
Is there any basis for those numbers or is it that you want to "flex" about how tough on crime you are? Because that's usually how that goes.
Those are the current punishments prescribed by the actual federal statues on the books today
How about we go about combating the actually CAUSES of juvenile gun crime instead of posing so the libs will "like us"?
How about we do BOTH!
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This is a colossally shit idea. This sort of thing, along with they "Hey! Let's :censored: over gun owners by making them buy Really Expensive or even Unobtainable insurance!" is really a back door way to make gun ownership cost prohibitive for a large segment of the population and will also fail because...wait for it...Criminals don't obey the law to begin with!
Why B.B. - it sounds like you're using the same logic chain as the progressives who claim forcing a person to produce a photo id to vote is racist and places an unnecessary physical and cost burden on the poor potential voter who just wants to exercise his franchise and cast his vote for the candidate of his choice.
:nod:
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Had to do some checking but my memory is correct the NRA actively supported a ban on so-called machine guns and automatic weapons in the 1930's. This law still stands it seems though the NRA has recently back peddled on its stance.
Of course they did.
Gangsters were walking around in most major US cities with Thompson machine guns with 100 round drums of ammunition while the police carried .38 caliber revolvers. They were outgunned.
It's basically the same situation today.
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We have had guns all along. We had virtually no school shootings for >200 years.
Sure. And 150 years ago The Chicago Buggywhip Company was a thriving member of the S&P 500 Index,
And the mass availability of rapid fire semi-automatic weapons is a fairly recent phenomenon
Things change and the laws need to change with them.
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Your opinion means less than a British one. :coffeeread:
Well, luckily for me, my son lives here in NL. Where no school shootings whatsoever exist.
Even knifings are very rare (once a decade?) and make main-stream-media news every time.
Your son would be safer in a rural area of the US. Especially when he gets older.
Your arguments make no allowance for the coming civil wars with your Muslim invaders.
It’s only a matter of time and the peace in Europe will be shattered yet again, due to the inability of Europeans to live more than 100 years, without adult supervision.
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It’s only a matter of time and the peace in Europe will be shattered yet again, due to the inability of Europeans to live more than 100 years, without adult supervision.
Our history is long and bloody, but the USA has no reason to gloat.
Lets take from say 1600 to 1800 , fairly recent:
1634–1638 Pequot War
1640 French and Iroquois Wars
1675–1678 King Philip's War
1689–1697 King William's War
1702–1713 Queen Anne's War
1706–1877 Comanche Wars
1715–1717 Yamasee War
1744–1748 King George's War
1763 Pontiac's Rebellion
1774 Dunmore's War
1785–1795 Northwest Indian War
1813–1814 Creek War
1816–1858 Seminole Wars
1832 Black Hawk War
1835–1842 Second Seminole War
1846–1866 Navajo Wars
1849–1924 Apache Wars
Seems like you lot can't be left alone for more than 20 years in the same period as Europe had most of its bloody wars.
After 1800 things calmed a lot on both sides of the pond, from 1900++ only 2 major wars in Europe, of which the second was completely unnecessary.
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At the moment everyone can carry so I’d think well, if the looneys have guns I better have a gun to protect myself. Humans in general are arseholes and everyone loses the rag at some point but the gun escalates the outcome to 100 with a pulse of the trigger.
Generally not true. If you look at who shoots who, why do folks in rural states with prevalence of guns NOT kill each other?
Have a look here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_death_rates_in_the_United_States_by_state#Murders). to go the far right column and tweak it in ascending order. Look at the top 10 states for least gun murders per capita. They're either Red States or blue states that are "red" on guns (ME, NH, VT). Only Hawaii and Oregon are blue.
Now look at the bottom 10. PA, GA, MS, DE, MI SC, MD, MO, LA and DC. Almost all of them have a big, rotting blue city in them (Philly, Atlanta, Detroit, Baltimore, St. Louis, Nola and Washington.)
Why to city folks want to kill each other so bad?
I'll play your game but the libs will hate it.
Country folks don't kill each other so much because most of the problems statistically come from the minorities and illegals, living in urban areas? Inner city poverty, gangs and general nastiness breeds in the city. Country folks enjoy a slower pace of life and minorities want to live in Urban areas.
The same trend can be found in the UK, except 99.9% of the population don't have guns and we see less people dying because of it. Bad people do bad things, give them a gun and they become more dangerous. I see plenty scum hanging about with time on their hands in the Uk. I'm just glad they aren't armed because it would get used as another tool in their locker.
I'd then be forced to carry too in order to defend myself and hay ho - we're like the US.
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Second amendment was good at one time, it is still good for some purposes (oppose the gov't) , but society can no longer deal with it as mentally ill people can far to easily get their hands on guns.
Not how constitutional jurisprudence works, as it turns out.
You can fix the problem by either making better free healthcare (and thus more communism according to some) because Mentally insane are never going to get insured otherwise. Or by making guns go away.
The guys who do this aren't usually legit crazy. It's more a matter of not marginalizing boys/young men.
There are so many school shootings in the USA, its not even in the news anymore unless the death-toll hits 10+ people :(
Just like Jihadi attacks in Europe.....
What's a "military style" weapon? Is it one that 'looks mean'?
A "military style" assault weapon is a semi-automatic, high capacity magazine weapon; one that is modeled after a weapon being used by combat forces today or in the past. They generally meet these criterion:
How many? All or just some? Because I can tell you right now, that, even with CT's strict gun laws I can go get an AR-15 that is compliant, if I so chose, which I do not.
(1) Semi-automatic firearm capable of accepting a detachable magazine,
(2) Folding or telescoping (collapsible) stock, which reduces the overall length of the firearm,
(3) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon,
(4) Bayonet lug, which allows the mounting of a bayonet,
(5) Threaded barrel, which can accept devices such as a flash suppressor or muzzle brake
Examples might be AR-15, AKM, Uzi, Tech 9, Ruger 10-22
I think it's a fantastic and workable idea.
You're wrong.
Why shouldn't legitimate and lawful sport shooters in possession of a dangerous weapon be compelled to prove they're mentally and financially capable of owning one? The scale just tipped last Friday in favor of protecting children verses a sports shooters enjoyment of shooting such a weapon.
Can we have IQ tests for voting?
Oh, and the problem will be, how do you go about it? I want a "shall issue" at the end of the process, which I don't want to be overly burdensome to begin with. As Trump is finding out, there are a lot of liberals in administrative positions that just want to impose their own will, regardless of the law.
The fines will compel legal users to register and safeguard them adequately. We've already admitted that we cannot control the non-legal users. So slap more punishment on people who use unlicensed weapons in the commission of a crime is the only logical answer.
Wrong.
If I steal your car and then go sidewalk surfing like that muzzie kid at *The* OSU, should you be responsible for my criminal act?
You simply want to punish innocent parties.
Those are the current punishments prescribed by the actual federal statues on the books today
Which specific statutes.
How about we do BOTH!
Why should we unduly burden the rights of lawful gun owners so the libs will "like us". That's :censored: ing retarded.
Why B.B. - it sounds like you're using the same logic chain as the progressives who claim forcing a person to produce a photo id to vote is racist and places an unnecessary physical and cost burden on the poor potential voter who just wants to exercise his franchise and cast his vote for the candidate of his choice.
You've lost the plot, I'm afraid. I do not want to overly burden lawful gun owners so libs can flex and pose in front of favored groups. Similarly, I do not want lawful voters to be overly burdened in exercising the franchise. Producing ID - which I have to do in Deep Blue CT - does not do that. Similarly, the provision for absentee ballots (available to the infirm) and provisional ballots (for those without ID) reduce the threat to the right to vote.
We already have extensive gun laws on the books and more - such as those passed in the northeast in the wake of Sandy Hook - are just theater.
Sure. And 150 years ago The Chicago Buggywhip Company was a thriving member of the S&P 500 Index,
And the mass availability of rapid fire semi-automatic weapons is a fairly recent phenomenon
Things change and the laws need to change with them.
Now you're arguing like a liberal who thinks that the Constitution is merely an annoyance to them getting their own way.
When I was in school (and likely this was the case for many rural kids) guns were brought to school by guys in HS during deer season. And Nobody.Shot.Anybody.
The technology is fundamentally the same. Treat the cause, not the symptom.
1634–1638 Pequot War
1640 French and Iroquois Wars
1675–1678 King Philip's War
1689–1697 King William's War
1702–1713 Queen Anne's War
1706–1877 Comanche Wars
1715–1717 Yamasee War
1744–1748 King George's War
1763 Pontiac's Rebellion
1774 Dunmore's War
You do realize who was running the USA Colonies at the relevant time, right?
Seems like you lot can't be left alone for more than 20 years in the same period as Europe had most of its bloody wars.
Our biggest mistakes have been to continue failed European policy, e.g. Viet Nam.
After 1800 things calmed a lot on both sides of the pond, from 1900++ only 2 major wars in Europe, of which the second was completely unnecessary.
Well actually IN Europe, but only because America enforced its will after the second one and put Europe under New Management, replacing Pax Britannica with Pax Americana.
I'll play your game but the libs will hate it.
Libs hate the truth. If Orwell were alive today, he'd be spending a lot of time walking around saying "I told you so! I told you so!"
Regardless of the reasons, what the rural states show us is, it's NOT the GUNS.
B/B
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It’s only a matter of time and the peace in Europe will be shattered yet again, due to the inability of Europeans to live more than 100 years, without adult supervision.
Our history is long and bloody, but the USA has no reason to gloat.
Lets take from say 1600 to 1800 , fairly recent:
1634–1638 Pequot War
1640 French and Iroquois Wars
1675–1678 King Philip's War
1689–1697 King William's War
1702–1713 Queen Anne's War
1706–1877 Comanche Wars
1715–1717 Yamasee War
1744–1748 King George's War
1763 Pontiac's Rebellion
1774 Dunmore's War
1785–1795 Northwest Indian War
1813–1814 Creek War
1816–1858 Seminole Wars
1832 Black Hawk War
1835–1842 Second Seminole War
1846–1866 Navajo Wars
1849–1924 Apache Wars
Seems like you lot can't be left alone for more than 20 years in the same period as Europe had most of its bloody wars.
After 1800 things calmed a lot on both sides of the pond, from 1900++ only 2 major wars in Europe, of which the second was completely unnecessary.
Why was the Second World War “completely unnecessary”?
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Which specific statutes.
National Firearms Act of 1934 and The Gun Control Act of 1968
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Why should we unduly burden the rights of lawful gun owners so the libs will "like us". That's :censored: ing retarded.
Oliver Wendell Holmes said "Your rights to hit me with a fist end at the tip of my nose".
I think the rights of school children to be safe in their classrooms trumps the rights of sports shooters to plink at tin cans with military style weapons. Registration of those weapons to insure they're not in the hands of lunatics by the later is a small price to pay for the former and clearly in the overall benefit of the public good!
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I think the rights of school children to be safe in their classrooms trumps the rights of sports shooters to plink at tin cans with military style weapons. Registration of those weapons to insure they're not in the hands of lunatics by the later is a small price to pay for the former.
So your argument is a combination of "IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN!!!" and "BUT MY FEELZ!" Sorry, but that's not going to pass constitutional muster. We could likewise demand that speed limits be reduced to 15 MPH because "IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN!!!". And driving isn't even a right.
Whatever solution we arrive at isn't going to be "OK, let's overly burden law abiding gun owners so we can virtue signal!"
This just in, the NRA has the votes. Whatever solution happens at a national level is going to be what gun owners decide it's going to be, and a bunch of Twitterfags bawling on the internet ain't gonna change that. Period, full stop, the end.
B/B
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I rarely post anymore, but do want to add one thing. I think the biggest cause of these shootings is the coverage and attention plied on the shooters by an obsessed media and public. Their names and the details of their crimes are on every TV, radio and social networking page.
Today everyone wants to be a YouTube star, have a big Twitter or Instagram following, or be the next Kardashian or Paris Hilton. Sadly most of the losers who end up shooting up theaters and schools realize they have little talent or appeal to the public.
So for their 15 minutes of fame they commit heinous acts. I believe if we gave them zero publicity and fame, many would not commit these acts. I know a few would, but not in the numbers doing it now. These shooters obsess over the fame of the shooters before them, and try to top them.
There are a lot of reasons why these shootings happen. But, guns have been in our society since the birth of the country, there have been neglectful parents and bullies for years too. Kids have been on some form of behavior modifying drugs my whole 60+ years on earth.
The thing that has changed is the instant fame these guys get courtesy of social networking and the current media trend of splash coverage of these events.
This is just my opinion, nothing more.
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My favorite takeaway from this debate?
quoting B/B
”Can we have IQ tests for voting?
Oh, and the problem will be, how do you go about it? I want a "shall issue" at the end of the process, which I don't want to be overly burdensome to begin with. As Trump is finding out, there are a lot of liberals in administrative positions that just want to impose their own will, regardless of the law.”
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I think a large percentage of wanna be liberal voters would fail the IQ test! :laugh:
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We could likewise demand that speed limits be reduced to 15 MPH because "IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN!!!".
We do - in school zones.
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Whatever solution we arrive at isn't going to be "OK, let's overly burden law abiding gun owners so we can virtue signal!"
Do you REALLY think a $200 registration fee, background check, requiring a felony clean criminal history and fingerprints is "overly burdening"?
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Today everyone wants to be a YouTube star, have a big Twitter or Instagram following, or be the next Kardashian or Paris Hilton. Sadly most of the losers who end up shooting up theaters and schools realize they have little talent or appeal to the public.
So for their 15 minutes of fame they commit heinous acts. I believe if we gave them zero publicity and fame, many would not commit these acts. I know a few would, but not in the numbers doing it now. These shooters obsess over the fame of the shooters before them, and try to top them.
There are a lot of reasons why these shootings happen. But, guns have been in our society since the birth of the country, there have been neglectful parents and bullies for years too. Kids have been on some form of behavior modifying drugs my whole 60+ years on earth.
The thing that has changed is the instant fame these guys get courtesy of social networking and the current media trend of splash coverage of these events.
Definitely a valid consideration Miguel!
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I think it's a fantastic and workable idea.
It was a great idea that there should be no smoking sections
on airplanes. Now It's illegal to smoke within 500 feet of a
door to a bar.
What is the goal of the people who want the legislation?
It's to make ALL guns illegal. They want to achieve that
by incrementalism. You think that they will stop there?
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Do you REALLY think a $200 registration fee, background check, requiring a felony clean criminal history and fingerprints is "overly burdening"?
Do you really think that a poor black woman who lives with her
kids in a dangerous neighborhood could afford it?
The one person who really, really needs a gun can't have it.
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.....and a bunch of Twitterfags bawling on the internet ain't gonna change that.
B/B
:ROFL:
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.....and a bunch of Twitterfags bawling on the internet ain't gonna change that.
B/B
:ROFL:
I just noticed this. Stop being mean to Moby! :laugh: tiphat
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Today everyone wants to be a YouTube star, have a big Twitter or Instagram following, or be the next Kardashian or Paris Hilton. Sadly most of the losers who end up shooting up theaters and schools realize they have little talent or appeal to the public.
So for their 15 minutes of fame they commit heinous acts. I believe if we gave them zero publicity and fame, many would not commit these acts. I know a few would, but not in the numbers doing it now. These shooters obsess over the fame of the shooters before them, and try to top them.
There are a lot of reasons why these shootings happen. But, guns have been in our society since the birth of the country, there have been neglectful parents and bullies for years too. Kids have been on some form of behavior modifying drugs my whole 60+ years on earth.
The thing that has changed is the instant fame these guys get courtesy of social networking and the current media trend of splash coverage of these events.
Definitely a valid consideration Miguel!
If you mean what do i think we should do, here goes:
First, the laws already on the books need to be strictly enforced or stricken from the books. Laws not enforced by judges, circumvented by attorneys, and neglected by law enforcement are not going to help. Laws on the books just for feel good measures are pointless and ineffective.
Second, we need to quit giving press attention to criminals. The crime can be reported, the name mentioned and the sensationalism be omitted. Only the facts need reported, not countless interviews with talking heads on the reasons they think it happened or what they believe the laws should be. It should be reported as a sad tragedy, not a sports event.
Third, violent criminals must be executed along with chronic repeat offenders. So much of our money is spent housing and caring for incorrigibles rather than going to provide protection on the streets and in the schools.
Fourth, so called "gun free" zones need eliminated. If a place really wants to restrict the law abiding from having a means of protection, they need to be tasked with providing enough armed security to handle an active shooter scenario. If they disarm the law abiding, do not provide security and a tragic shooting then occurs, they should be civilly liable for the shooters they allowed to prey on an unarmed public.
Fifth, I believe some form of morals needs to be reintroduced into the school system. Folks oppose Christianity, but some form of moral conduct needs to be taught to our younger generation.
Sixth, I believe teachers who are entrusted with our children at the formulative ages should be held to moral behavior standards. They are welcome to their persoanl lives, but not welcome to expose promiscuity, pro drugs, pro alcohol, pro anti government behavior, etc. to the children,
Seventh, I think there does need to be stricter enforcement of young children not being exposed to Hollywood/Television gun violence non stop. Where in the heck have the family friendly shows went? Now it is violence non stop.
Our society has decayed in it's moral standards. What used to get a politician thrown out in disgrace is now just a badge of honor. Celbrities used to hide their deviant behavior, but now flaunt it. I think we need better role models instead of more laws.
I imagine i could come up with a few more ideas, but even the ones i listed will likely never come to pass.
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Do you really think that a poor black woman who lives with her
kids in a dangerous neighborhood could afford it?
The one person who really, really needs a gun can't have it.
Do you really think she needs to whip out her AR15 or AKM Kalashnikov?
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What is the goal of the people who want the legislation?
It's to make ALL guns illegal. They want to achieve that
by incrementalism. You think that they will stop there?
I think it is a long jump from requiring federal registration of military style assault weapons and the banning of ownership of guns of any kind. And I agree that the first step often leads to a domino effect over time.
But too often here in the USA we read about schoolchildren murdered by one of their classmates using one of these weapons. IMHO anything we can do to stop these disasters is worthy of consideration.
I'm also for arming security in schools and having assault weapons on site in schools for use by those security personnel.
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Are the media and the FBI using trained crisis actors to portray these events? I found this interesting assertion on Facebook.
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These images are of the supposed students that you see all over the news from the mass shooting in Parkland, FL. Where 17 kids lost their lives.
As I started the watch the videos I started to pick up on a few things about the supposed kids being interviewed. One is it appears in a lot of videos they are slightly smiling. They are extremely well groomed and you catch them often looking up and to the right. The classic body language of when someone isn't typically being truthful.
It got me to looking because these kids also seemed to be very well versed in politics. They had all the keywords to say at the right times just to shape the view of the public. So I got to digging.
What you are looking at is proof these are all crisis actors. Crisis actors are brought in to play up an event like this for political purposes and to really shape what they want the crowd to think. Are you furious yet?
It gets worse when you ask a few question. These crisis actors we have seen at various different crises. So how did they know to be in Parkland, FL for this event? Notice their stories are very well rehearsed. They all basically repeat the same things. They also are there trying to shape your view of what you should think about the gun debate. Hearing it from a grieving kid your first thought we have to do something.
Then you see this. Then you think did the FBI really drop the ball out of negligence or were they in on this? This wouldn't be everyone at the FBI but some key things to note. It was pointed out by Trump and others that the FBI was notified but did nothing. Yet one thing you notice about the crisis actor they were quick to attack Trump and defend the FBI. Saying "Trump is in charge of the FBI it's his fault that this happened not the FBI."
Notice some other things also. They are quick to tear down the school. They don't want anyone in it looking around it. So there was a vote to tear it down. Other details about all of this is that the school had cameras in every hallway.
I'm not saying people didn't die here. What I am saying is this was more than likely allowed to happen to push the gun debate and to ultimately try to ban guns. At the very least this is just sick. This needs to get out and people need to see what's going on. Please Share.
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Are the media and the FBI using trained crisis actors to portray these events? I found this interesting assertion on Facebook.
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These images are of the supposed students that you see all over the news from the mass shooting in Parkland, FL. Where 17 kids lost their lives.
As I started the watch the videos I started to pick up on a few things about the supposed kids being interviewed. One is it appears in a lot of videos they are slightly smiling. They are extremely well groomed and you catch them often looking up and to the right. The classic body language of when someone isn't typically being truthful.
It got me to looking because these kids also seemed to be very well versed in politics. They had all the keywords to say at the right times just to shape the view of the public. So I got to digging.
What you are looking at is proof these are all crisis actors. Crisis actors are brought in to play up an event like this for political purposes and to really shape what they want the crowd to think. Are you furious yet?
It gets worse when you ask a few question. These crisis actors we have seen at various different crises. So how did they know to be in Parkland, FL for this event? Notice their stories are very well rehearsed. They all basically repeat the same things. They also are there trying to shape your view of what you should think about the gun debate. Hearing it from a grieving kid your first thought we have to do something.
Then you see this. Then you think did the FBI really drop the ball out of negligence or were they in on this? This wouldn't be everyone at the FBI but some key things to note. It was pointed out by Trump and others that the FBI was notified but did nothing. Yet one thing you notice about the crisis actor they were quick to attack Trump and defend the FBI. Saying "Trump is in charge of the FBI it's his fault that this happened not the FBI."
Notice some other things also. They are quick to tear down the school. They don't want anyone in it looking around it. So there was a vote to tear it down. Other details about all of this is that the school had cameras in every hallway.
I'm not saying people didn't die here. What I am saying is this was more than likely allowed to happen to push the gun debate and to ultimately try to ban guns. At the very least this is just sick. This needs to get out and people need to see what's going on. Please Share.
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Fuuck me. Just that really.
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There's two sides to the debate and we all tend to fall on one side or the other. Even though we may be on opposite sides, sometimes a lob comes over the proverbial wall that merits thoughtful consideration. For example, Westano. Other times, it is the same old predictable nonsense recited ad nauseum, as if they were puppets. It's mind-boggling to me that there is even a debate called "doing something about guns v.s. the value of children's lives". Just completely fuccers me out of my socks how that conversation can actually exist.
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Are the media and the FBI using trained crisis actors to portray these events? I found this interesting assertion on Facebook.
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These images are of the supposed students that you see all over the news from the mass shooting in Parkland, FL. Where 17 kids lost their lives.
As I started the watch the videos I started to pick up on a few things about the supposed kids being interviewed. One is it appears in a lot of videos they are slightly smiling. They are extremely well groomed and you catch them often looking up and to the right. The classic body language of when someone isn't typically being truthful.
It got me to looking because these kids also seemed to be very well versed in politics. They had all the keywords to say at the right times just to shape the view of the public. So I got to digging.
What you are looking at is proof these are all crisis actors. Crisis actors are brought in to play up an event like this for political purposes and to really shape what they want the crowd to think. Are you furious yet?
It gets worse when you ask a few question. These crisis actors we have seen at various different crises. So how did they know to be in Parkland, FL for this event? Notice their stories are very well rehearsed. They all basically repeat the same things. They also are there trying to shape your view of what you should think about the gun debate. Hearing it from a grieving kid your first thought we have to do something.
Then you see this. Then you think did the FBI really drop the ball out of negligence or were they in on this? This wouldn't be everyone at the FBI but some key things to note. It was pointed out by Trump and others that the FBI was notified but did nothing. Yet one thing you notice about the crisis actor they were quick to attack Trump and defend the FBI. Saying "Trump is in charge of the FBI it's his fault that this happened not the FBI."
Notice some other things also. They are quick to tear down the school. They don't want anyone in it looking around it. So there was a vote to tear it down. Other details about all of this is that the school had cameras in every hallway.
I'm not saying people didn't die here. What I am saying is this was more than likely allowed to happen to push the gun debate and to ultimately try to ban guns. At the very least this is just sick. This needs to get out and people need to see what's going on. Please Share.
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Fuuck me. Just that really.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/02/exposed-school-shooting-surviver-turned-activist-david-hoggs-father-fbi-appears-coached-anti-trump-lines-video/
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This is more American Exceptionalism. Here's a clue: you are not that special that only you (America) have this problem on this scale. The idea that enforceable gun control works in every other society, but could never work in America, is idiotic.
Mind, you guys think if you sign a public health care card, the government is going to come to harvest your organs.
I know, I'm a commie, faggot, Muzzie lover (just trying to spare you some words in your responses).
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There's two sides to the debate and we all tend to fall on one side or the other. Even though we may be on opposite sides, sometimes a lob comes over the proverbial wall that merits thoughtful consideration. For example, Westano. Other times, it is the same old predictable nonsense recited ad nauseum, as if they were puppets. It's mind-boggling to me that there is even a debate called "doing something about guns v.s. the value of children's lives". Just completely fuccers me out of my socks how that conversation can actually exist.
Of course it’s mind-boggling, to a myopic guy who cannot see the forest for the trees.
The puppet masters have mastered your cultural Marxist programming well. You’re just a shrill SJW troll engaging in the usual autistic screeching.
For every 10 lost hundreds of thousands are saved. We’re focused on the big picture. As B/B stated, British and other European opinions matter not. :chuckle:
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There's two sides to the debate and we all tend to fall on one side or the other. Even though we may be on opposite sides, sometimes a lob comes over the proverbial wall that merits thoughtful consideration. For example, Westano. Other times, it is the same old predictable nonsense recited ad nauseum, as if they were puppets. It's mind-boggling to me that there is even a debate called "doing something about guns v.s. the value of children's lives". Just completely fuccers me out of my socks how that conversation can actually exist.
Of course it’s mind-boggling, to a myopic guy who cannot see the forest for the trees.
Your puppet masters have mastered your cultural Marxist programming well. You’re just a shrill SJW troll engaging in the usual autistic screeching.
For every 10 lost hundreds of thousands are saved. We’re focused on the big picture. As B/B stated, British and other Europeans matter not. Or you can take his other statement if you wish. :chuckle:
It's fuccing hilarious when kids get killed, isn't it? Eh, laugher?? :dh:
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There's two sides to the debate and we all tend to fall on one side or the other. Even though we may be on opposite sides, sometimes a lob comes over the proverbial wall that merits thoughtful consideration. For example, Westano. Other times, it is the same old predictable nonsense recited ad nauseum, as if they were puppets. It's mind-boggling to me that there is even a debate called "doing something about guns v.s. the value of children's lives". Just completely fuccers me out of my socks how that conversation can actually exist.
Of course it’s mind-boggling, to a myopic guy who cannot see the forest for the trees.
The puppet masters have mastered your cultural Marxist programming well. You’re just a shrill SJW troll engaging in the usual autistic screeching.
For every 10 lost hundreds of thousands are saved. We’re focused on the big picture. As B/B stated, British and other European opinions matter not. :chuckle:
Other times, it is the same old predictable nonsense recited ad nauseum, as if they were puppets. I didn't want to name names, but see above. On and on, basically a drone, an ideologue, who has his ideas about everything and is incapable of debate on anything. In former times, we would call this species an example of retardation. But thanks to the Libs, Confederate is protected now.
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There's two sides to the debate and we all tend to fall on one side or the other. Even though we may be on opposite sides, sometimes a lob comes over the proverbial wall that merits thoughtful consideration. For example, Westano. Other times, it is the same old predictable nonsense recited ad nauseum, as if they were puppets. It's mind-boggling to me that there is even a debate called "doing something about guns v.s. the value of children's lives". Just completely fuccers me out of my socks how that conversation can actually exist.
Of course it’s mind-boggling, to a myopic guy who cannot see the forest for the trees.
The puppet masters have mastered your cultural Marxist programming well. You’re just a shrill SJW troll engaging in the usual autistic screeching.
For every 10 lost hundreds of thousands are saved. We’re focused on the big picture. As B/B stated, British and other European opinions matter not. :chuckle:
Other times, it is the same old predictable nonsense recited ad nauseum, as if they were puppets. I didn't want to name names, but see above. On and on, basically a drone, an ideologue, who has his ideas about everything and is incapable of debate on anything. In former times, we would call this species an example of retardation. But thanks to the Libs, Confederate is protected now.
You’ve already been debated ad nauseum on this topic and each time you’ve failed miserably. In the past I already proved to you that USA deaths per 100K pale in comparison to countries with gun control. You didn’t like the comparisons as they put your futile arguments in a bad light.
You cannot vote in the USA and we obviously don’t care for your bigoted and ignorant opinions, yet you keep offering them up like some sort of holy grail.
It’s been said that the definition of insanity is to engage in the same behavior but to expect different results.
Or is it just mental retardation? :chuckle:
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Here ‘ya go Ste!
BUSTED: Trump-Hating School Shooting Survivor Visited CNN HQ Before the Shooting; Ranted Live on CNN...
https://truepundit.com/busted-trump-hating-school-shooting-survivor-visited-cnn-hq-shooting-ranted-live-cnn/
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Here is a good example of what it would take to try to implement stricter gun control laws in the US
In 1989 here in Canada there was a mass shooting at a Quebec college. The shooter used a mini 14. There was a public outcry about it and eventually in 1995 the Liberal govt passed a gun registry program called bill C-68. 17 years and 2.7 billion tax dollars spent trying to implement it later the bill was scrapped. Long story short it was ineffective, and it was determined that it would cost the govt 100's of millions of dollars to enforce the bill through policing, court costs, etc.
http://nationalpost.com/opinion/gary-mauser-why-the-long-gun-registry-doesnt-work-and-never-did
This is in a country where gun ownership is a fraction of what it is in the US. With the amount of guns in the US, could you imagine how much it would cost to implement stricter gun control laws there? It would have to run into the 10's or 100's of billions of dollars. Where would that money come from? And how effective would it be in the end?
It didn't do much in Canada, just made things a lot more difficult and expensive for your regular every day responsible gun owners. How could it be successful in the US when it didn't work in Canada?
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There's two sides to the debate and we all tend to fall on one side or the other. Even though we may be on opposite sides, sometimes a lob comes over the proverbial wall that merits thoughtful consideration. For example, Westano. Other times, it is the same old predictable nonsense recited ad nauseum, as if they were puppets. It's mind-boggling to me that there is even a debate called "doing something about guns v.s. the value of children's lives". Just completely fuccers me out of my socks how that conversation can actually exist.
Of course it’s mind-boggling, to a myopic guy who cannot see the forest for the trees.
The puppet masters have mastered your cultural Marxist programming well. You’re just a shrill SJW troll engaging in the usual autistic screeching.
For every 10 lost hundreds of thousands are saved. We’re focused on the big picture. As B/B stated, British and other European opinions matter not. :chuckle:
Other times, it is the same old predictable nonsense recited ad nauseum, as if they were puppets. I didn't want to name names, but see above. On and on, basically a drone, an ideologue, who has his ideas about everything and is incapable of debate on anything. In former times, we would call this species an example of retardation. But thanks to the Libs, Confederate is protected now.
You’ve already been debated ad nauseum on this topic and each time you’ve failed miserably. In the past I already proved to you that USA deaths per 100K pale in comparison to countries with gun control. You didn’t like the comparisons as they put your futile arguments in a bad light.
You cannot vote in the USA and we obviously don’t care for your bigoted and ignorant opinions, yet you keep offering them up like some sort of holy grail.
It’s been said that the definition of insanity is to engage in the same behavior but to expect different results.
Or is it just mental retardation? :chuckle:
:Zzzzsleep:
Pretty sure that real statistics that you didn't dream up in your sleep would show that advanced countries with enforced gun control have lower death rates from this disease. I know the US isn't really an advanced country, doesn't have enforced gun control, doesn't have gun control, and has wahoos who see the threat to their gun before they see the threat to their children. By all means, compare yourself to third world countries. It is the proper comparison. But honestly, before you respond, keep in mind I won't be reading. You can't have a normal discussion on this issue. I won't see the next stupid childesh insult you throw at me. There's zero purpose in discussing this issue with people like you. Because tens of thousands of hypothetical lives are being saved by your insanity. The very real lives lost are collateral damage to achieving your greater goals. Sorry, kids are off limits, but you think they are fair play for your ideological ideas. I don't and not engaging this with you further. Sorry.
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The FBi really fooked up on this one had they done their job this shooting would not have happened
Well, they still haven't found who bombed Wall Street in 1920, so what do you expect? (:)
https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/stories/2007/september/wallstreet_091307
The FBI was warned about this Cruz nut job a month ago. If they had not been distracted by a bunch of nonsense about Russia they could have done their jobs and detained him.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/02/16/deputies-called-to-suspected-shooters-home-39-times-over-seven-years/amp/
The guy had over a dozen school incidents reported while was there and he kept returning. I had "riff raff" in my high school who got suspended/expelled and some kept showing up later. Back then, the bad ones did not come back with firearms. Later on, drugs and guns became more prevalent. Now you don't settle fights by using fists. You use a knife or shoot someone.
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I fail to see every time, how people can talk about:
- But but, criminals will not obey the law.
This is not about criminals, this is about sick people getting access to guns.
If sane parents cannot or will not own guns, their youth can not go around shooting people.
This won't end until the above point drives home (finally).
Meanwhile : Sane teenagers are rising up to the status quo according to Dutch news.
Quote: We don't want your thoughts and prayers, you piece of Sh*t , do something!
Quote: We don't want to be afraid of school shootings anymore!
Quote: Thoughts and prayers are not enough! Take actions or Step down!
Chicago has gun control. Tell us again why it has the highest murder rate by firearms in the USA?
It has the highest murder rate because the guns are controlled by the gangs. People like to take "short cuts" when settling differences. :GRRRR: :fighting0025:
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We could likewise demand that speed limits be reduced to 15 MPH because "IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN!!!".
We do - in school zones.
School zones are also "gun free" - how's that working out?
We protect politicians with guns.
We protect celebrities with guns.
We protect school children with signs that say "There are no guns here". Also, we've managed to drive men out of teaching the lower grades because "EVERY MAN IS A POSSIBLE PEDO! YOU CAN'T BE TOO CAREFUL!!"
Well, yeah, actually you can. You know what all 7 adults killed at Sandy Hook had in common? They were all women. An able-bodied man would have had a legitimate shot at Lanza, who was emaciated and 120#, coming through a door or around a corner. You or I could have poked him to death with our index fingers. Alas, there were no men and no SRO.
Whatever solution we arrive at isn't going to be "OK, let's overly burden law abiding gun owners so we can virtue signal!"
Do you REALLY think a $200 registration fee, background check, requiring a felony clean criminal history and fingerprints is "overly burdening"?
If it is identical to the same procedures for fully auto weapons, then yes I do.
What is the goal of the people who want the legislation?
It's to make ALL guns illegal. They want to achieve that
by incrementalism. You think that they will stop there?
This.
And no it won't. The next incident will require MORE regulation, and so on and so on.
Do you really think she needs to whip out her AR15 or AKM Kalashnikov?
Her choice.
I think it is a long jump from requiring federal registration of military style assault weapons and the banning of ownership of guns of any kind. And I agree that the first step often leads to a domino effect over time.
Yeah, everyone always does. "First they came for the Socialists...." etc.
But too often here in the USA we read about schoolchildren murdered by one of their classmates using one of these weapons. IMHO anything we can do to stop these disasters is worthy of consideration.
Anything? What if we confiscated everyone's firearms?
I'm also for arming security in schools and having assault weapons on site in schools for use by those security personnel.
An excellent, actionable solution that does not infringe on the the rights of the tens of millions of lawful gun owners who didn't murder anyone last week. I knew you had it in you!
It's mind-boggling to me that there is even a debate called "doing something about guns v.s. the value of children's lives".
This is what is known as "The Fallacy of False Alternatives".
B/B
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The FBi really fooked up on this one had they done their job this shooting would not have happened
Well, they still haven't found who bombed Wall Street in 1920, so what do you expect? (:)
https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/stories/2007/september/wallstreet_091307
The FBI was warned about this Cruz nut job a month ago. If they had not been distracted by a bunch of nonsense about Russia they could have done their jobs and detained him.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2018/02/16/deputies-called-to-suspected-shooters-home-39-times-over-seven-years/amp/
The guy had over a dozen school incidents reported while was there and he kept returning. I had "riff raff" in my high school who got suspended/expelled and some kept showing up later. Back then, the bad ones did not come back with firearms. Later on, drugs and guns became more prevalent. Now you don't settle fights by using fists. You use a knife or shoot someone.
We lived in simpler times didn’t we?
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:Zzzzsleep:There's two sides to the debate and we all tend to fall on one side or the other. Even though we may be on opposite sides, sometimes a lob comes over the proverbial wall that merits thoughtful consideration. For example, Westano. Other times, it is the same old predictable nonsense recited ad nauseum, as if they were puppets. It's mind-boggling to me that there is even a debate called "doing something about guns v.s. the value of children's lives". Just completely fuccers me out of my socks how that conversation can actually exist.
Of course it’s mind-boggling, to a myopic guy who cannot see the forest for the trees.
The puppet masters have mastered your cultural Marxist programming well. You’re just a shrill SJW troll engaging in the usual autistic screeching.
For every 10 lost hundreds of thousands are saved. We’re focused on the big picture. As B/B stated, British and other European opinions matter not. :chuckle:
Other times, it is the same old predictable nonsense recited ad nauseum, as if they were puppets. I didn't want to name names, but see above. On and on, basically a drone, an ideologue, who has his ideas about everything and is incapable of debate on anything. In former times, we would call this species an example of retardation. But thanks to the Libs, Confederate is protected now.
You’ve already been debated ad nauseum on this topic and each time you’ve failed miserably. In the past I already proved to you that USA deaths per 100K pale in comparison to countries with gun control. You didn’t like the comparisons as they put your futile arguments in a bad light.
You cannot vote in the USA and we obviously don’t care for your bigoted and ignorant opinions, yet you keep offering them up like some sort of holy grail.
It’s been said that the definition of insanity is to engage in the same behavior but to expect different results.
Or is it just mental retardation? :chuckle:
:Zzzzsleep:
Pretty sure that real statistics that you didn't dream up in your sleep would show that advanced countries with enforced gun control have lower death rates from this disease. I know the US isn't really an advanced country, doesn't have enforced gun control, doesn't have gun control, and has wahoos who see the threat to their gun before they see the threat to their children. By all means, compare yourself to third world countries. It is the proper comparison. But honestly, before you respond, keep in mind I won't be reading.
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Pretty sure that real statistics that you didn't dream up in your sleep would show that advanced countries with enforced gun control have lower death rates from this disease. I know the US isn't really an advanced country, doesn't have enforced gun control, doesn't have gun control, and has wahoos who see the threat to their gun before they see the threat to their children. By all means, compare yourself to third world countries. It is the proper comparison. But honestly, before you respond, keep in mind I won't be reading. You can't have a normal discussion on this issue. I won't see the next stupid childesh insult you throw at me. There's zero purpose in discussing this issue with people like you. Because tens of thousands of hypothetical lives are being saved by your insanity. The very real lives lost are collateral damage to achieving your greater goals. Sorry, kids are off limits, but you think they are fair play for your ideological ideas. I don't and not engaging this with you further. Sorry.
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I think all sides need to realize that while the USA has many problems, some specific to them alone, they do not have a monopoly on murder of children and or innocent victims. Many countries with very strict gun control have had attacks recently.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-32169080
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jul/14/nice-bastille-day-france-attack-promenade-des-anglais-vehicle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kauhajoki_school_shooting
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-14259356
There are many more. The thing I wonder is, how many more attacks and killings there may be in America if we didn't have armed law abiding citizens. Is it possible that despite these terrible schools shootings, the death toll may be higher in America if we could not defend ourselves? Sadly we have become a dangerous world and I feel there may never be true safety in America or any other nation anymore.
But I still feel I am safer with the right to bear arms. In addition, I just feel we should not give up a right just for symbolic or experimental reasons. I have yet to see any evidence in America that gun restrictions make any city safer.
But I am not claiming I know the answers either. And, I assure you I am sickened by the actions of killers here or in any other country. That applies double to the killers of children.
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Pretty sure that real statistics that you didn't dream up in your sleep would show that advanced countries with enforced gun control have lower death rates from this disease. I know the US isn't really an advanced country, doesn't have enforced gun control, doesn't have gun control, and has wahoos who see the threat to their gun before they see the threat to their children. By all means, compare yourself to third world countries. It is the proper comparison. But honestly, before you respond, keep in mind I won't be reading. You can't have a normal discussion on this issue. I won't see the next stupid childesh insult you throw at me. There's zero purpose in discussing this issue with people like you. Because tens of thousands of hypothetical lives are being saved by your insanity. The very real lives lost are collateral damage to achieving your greater goals. Sorry, kids are off limits, but you think they are fair play for your ideological ideas. I don't and not engaging this with you further. Sorry.
I think all sides need to realize that while the USA has many problems, some specific to them alone, they do not have a monopoly on murder of children and or innocent victims. Many countries with very strict gun control have had attacks recently.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-32169080
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Paris_attacks
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jul/14/nice-bastille-day-france-attack-promenade-des-anglais-vehicle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kauhajoki_school_shooting
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-14259356
There are many more. The thing I wonder is, how many more attacks and killings there may be in America if we didn't have armed law abiding citizens. Is it possible that despite these terrible schools shootings, the death toll may be higher in America if we could not defend ourselves? Sadly we have become a dangerous world and I feel there may never be true safety in America or any other nation anymore.
But I still feel I am safer with the right to bear arms. In addition, I just feel we should not give up a right just for symbolic or experimental reasons. I have yet to see any evidence in America that gun restrictions make any city safer.
But I am not claiming I know the answers either. And, I assure you I am sickened by the actions of killers here or in any other country. That applies double to the killers of children.
Really? Because we’ve had quite enough moral posturing from a liberal neighbor to the north.
I believe your sentiments are probably sincere. I want to vomit when I hear crocodile tears from liberals who claim to care about the life of a child, but then we find out they believe in abortion.
Hypocrites who drone on about lives lost to gun violence meanwhile thousands of the most fragile and defenseless lives are eliminated through butchers. :coffeeread:
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Pondering Parkland.
http://www.gunfacts.info/blog/pondering-parkland/
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Gun facts and myths.
Fact: Every year 400,000 life-threatening violent crimes are prevented using firearms.
http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/crime-and-guns/
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Twisted logic at it's finest.
Seems Americans value their penis extensions more than the lives of their children/actors with an agenda....
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I think a point quite relevant to this discussion that is often overlooked in debate is the fact that, unlike other industry lobbyists, the National Rifle Association is not just for lobbying. The NRA is a conglomerate of millions of firearms enthusiasts, all of whom contribute financially on a yearly basis for more benefits than just representation. You'd think everyone would understand this but I hear a lot of people talking about the NRA as if they're talking about 'big business.' The NRA is a different beast entirely with millions of 'average joe' Americans directly behind it (along with some major wealth from firearm / ammunition manufacturers as well, but you get my point).
I'm not a member myself, but I know several people who do belong to the group. They've expressed a fairly uniform opinion that when the media attacks the NRA, they take it personally. I think that's a little shallow myself but I guess I can understand. It is my belief that any meaningful change in law will need to be done with at least moderate support from the NRA. Every time there's a mass shooting incident, the media incites paranoid gun owners to buy more guns and pump more money into the NRA for gun rights protection. In my opinion, it's a first-rate example of a catch-22.
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I just want to say sorry to Jerash. He said some insulting things but I probably overdid it. Sorry for that bud.
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I'm not a member myself, but I know several people who do belong to the group. They've expressed a fairly uniform opinion that when the media attacks the NRA, they take it personally. I think that's a little shallow myself but I guess I can understand.
I am no longer a member due to their aggressive fund raising, but I sure get tired of folks who say the NRA wants to kill kids, that AR-15 owners dont care about kid's lives, and that some how folks who own an AR-15 are compensating for some supposed inadequacy.
AR-15 rifles do have valid uses, but aside from that, I have a friend who is married with no children, but has a house with five bedrooms. He doesn't need it, but he wants it. I also know a guy with a corvette, and a lot of pot smokers who dont have glaucoma. It appears most folks want what they want, but expect me to justify what I want or give it up. I dont get that.
If you are an anti gunner, I understand and support your right to never own a gun. But I dont understand why you insist your opinion should countermand mine? I dont want innocent folks to die, but I also dont want my rights stripped in a futile attempt to rid the world of crime. Crime has been here since the dawn of man. It has been here from the days when we killed with rocks, through the days of nuclear missiles. Mankind is basically a creature fueled by rage and greed. Killing will always be a sad part of human culture. Banning tools will not fix that,
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I am no longer a member due to their aggressive fund raising, but I sure get tired of folks who say the NRA wants to kill kids, that AR-15 owners dont care about kid's lives, and that some how folks who own an AR-15 are compensating for some supposed inadequacy.
AR-15 rifles do have valid uses, but aside from that, I have a friend who is married with no children, but has a house with five bedrooms. He doesn't need it, but he wants it. I also know a guy with a corvette, and a lot of pot smokers who dont have glaucoma. It appears most folks want what they want, but expect me to justify what I want or give it up. I dont get that.
If you are an anti gunner, I understand and support your right to never own a gun. But I dont understand why you insist your opinion should countermand mine? I dont want innocent folks to die, but I also dont want my rights stripped in a futile attempt to rid the world of crime. Crime has been here since the dawn of man. It has been here from the days when we killed with rocks, through the days of nuclear missiles. Mankind is basically a creature fueled by rage and greed. Killing will always be a sad part of human culture. Banning tools will not fix that,
+1 :thumbsup:
Human beings have been killing each other for thousands of years and the tradition will continue until every person on earth thinks exactly the same way or until every person on earth is dead (and for the record, I think the latter option is much more likely).
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I'm not a member myself, but I know several people who do belong to the group. They've expressed a fairly uniform opinion that when the media attacks the NRA, they take it personally. I think that's a little shallow myself but I guess I can understand.
I am no longer a member due to their aggressive fund raising, but I sure get tired of folks who say the NRA wants to kill kids, that AR-15 owners dont care about kid's lives, and that some how folks who own an AR-15 are compensating for some supposed inadequacy.
AR-15 rifles do have valid uses, but aside from that, I have a friend who is married with no children, but has a house with five bedrooms. He doesn't need it, but he wants it. I also know a guy with a corvette, and a lot of pot smokers who dont have glaucoma. It appears most folks want what they want, but expect me to justify what I want or give it up. I dont get that.
If you are an anti gunner, I understand and support your right to never own a gun. But I dont understand why you insist your opinion should countermand mine? I dont want innocent folks to die, but I also dont want my rights stripped in a futile attempt to rid the world of crime. Crime has been here since the dawn of man. It has been here from the days when we killed with rocks, through the days of nuclear missiles. Mankind is basically a creature fueled by rage and greed. Killing will always be a sad part of human culture. Banning tools will not fix that,
Very well said and I agree 100%. Punishing law abiding gun owners will not change these outcomes.
As B/B mentioned boys and young men are being marginalized. But that’s only part of the equation. The Parkland shooter was also autistic and had been on psychiatric medications. He was a ticking time bomb and he was reported to both the Police and the FBI. To say the FBI dropped the ball is an understatement. Someone needs firing for this level incompetence. The legal system also needs modifications so a future potential perp can be quickly detained.
I’m also okay with the changes to gun laws suggested by Shakespear. I’m not 100% convinced his suggestions would make a difference but willing to try.
This case shows that only early proactive steps by law enforcement can stop these crimes from occurring.
Suggested reading is “Pondering Parkland”. The link is above.
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Here is a good example of what it would take to try to implement stricter gun control laws in the US
In 1989 here in Canada there was a mass shooting at a Quebec college. The shooter used a mini 14. There was a public outcry about it and eventually in 1995 the Liberal govt passed a gun registry program called bill C-68. 17 years and 2.7 billion tax dollars spent trying to implement it later the bill was scrapped. Long story short it was ineffective, and it was determined that it would cost the govt 100's of millions of dollars to enforce the bill through policing, court costs, etc.
http://nationalpost.com/opinion/gary-mauser-why-the-long-gun-registry-doesnt-work-and-never-did
This is in a country where gun ownership is a fraction of what it is in the US. With the amount of guns in the US, could you imagine how much it would cost to implement stricter gun control laws there? It would have to run into the 10's or 100's of billions of dollars. Where would that money come from? And how effective would it be in the end?
It didn't do much in Canada, just made things a lot more difficult and expensive for your regular every day responsible gun owners. How could it be successful in the US when it didn't work in Canada?
It would not be successful in the USA. Those dreaming of US gun control haven’t thought about the logistics of it and must be delusional.
Imagine if 200 Million gun owners were to forfeit 300 Million firearms. Now please tell me who would get the criminals to forfeit their approximately 100 Million firearms?
The Police are already overwhelmed and outgunned. Talk about a bloodbath!
Then imagine if a soulless dictator like HRC were to get into political office.
The genocide of the former Soviet might pale in comparison. :coffeeread:
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I'm not a member myself, but I know several people who do belong to the group. They've expressed a fairly uniform opinion that when the media attacks the NRA, they take it personally. I think that's a little shallow myself but I guess I can understand.
I am no longer a member due to their aggressive fund raising, but I sure get tired of folks who say the NRA wants to kill kids, that AR-15 owners dont care about kid's lives, and that some how folks who own an AR-15 are compensating for some supposed inadequacy.
AR-15 rifles do have valid uses, but aside from that, I have a friend who is married with no children, but has a house with five bedrooms. He doesn't need it, but he wants it. I also know a guy with a corvette, and a lot of pot smokers who dont have glaucoma. It appears most folks want what they want, but expect me to justify what I want or give it up. I dont get that.
If you are an anti gunner, I understand and support your right to never own a gun. But I dont understand why you insist your opinion should countermand mine? I dont want innocent folks to die, but I also dont want my rights stripped in a futile attempt to rid the world of crime. Crime has been here since the dawn of man. It has been here from the days when we killed with rocks, through the days of nuclear missiles. Mankind is basically a creature fueled by rage and greed. Killing will always be a sad part of human culture. Banning tools will not fix that,
I’m also okay with the changes to gun laws suggested by Shakespear. I’m not 100% convinced his suggestions would make a difference but willing to try.
The only thing that scares me about trying stuff we are unsure of, is that laws found to be ineffective are never pulled off the books. The tactic instead is to continue expanding and empowering them more and more in the futile hope they will at some point become effective.
I would never allow a surgeon to cut out an organ he didn't know what function it had, what effect the surgery would have and some idea of the benefit of removing the organ. Would you?
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I'm not a member myself, but I know several people who do belong to the group. They've expressed a fairly uniform opinion that when the media attacks the NRA, they take it personally. I think that's a little shallow myself but I guess I can understand.
I am no longer a member due to their aggressive fund raising, but I sure get tired of folks who say the NRA wants to kill kids, that AR-15 owners dont care about kid's lives, and that some how folks who own an AR-15 are compensating for some supposed inadequacy.
AR-15 rifles do have valid uses, but aside from that, I have a friend who is married with no children, but has a house with five bedrooms. He doesn't need it, but he wants it. I also know a guy with a corvette, and a lot of pot smokers who dont have glaucoma. It appears most folks want what they want, but expect me to justify what I want or give it up. I dont get that.
If you are an anti gunner, I understand and support your right to never own a gun. But I dont understand why you insist your opinion should countermand mine? I dont want innocent folks to die, but I also dont want my rights stripped in a futile attempt to rid the world of crime. Crime has been here since the dawn of man. It has been here from the days when we killed with rocks, through the days of nuclear missiles. Mankind is basically a creature fueled by rage and greed. Killing will always be a sad part of human culture. Banning tools will not fix that,
I’m also okay with the changes to gun laws suggested by Shakespear. I’m not 100% convinced his suggestions would make a difference but willing to try.
The only thing that scares me about trying stuff we are unsure of, is that laws found to be ineffective are never pulled off the books. The tactic instead is to continue expanding and empowering them more and more in the futile hope they will at some point become effective.
I would never allow a surgeon to cut out an organ he didn't know what function it had, what effect the surgery would have and some idea of the benefit of removing the organ. Would you?
No.
I probably should have said I’m on the fence about it. When I read the arguments of B/B he is very effective at being persuasive.
The Police and the FBI need to do their jobs. It’s like immigration enforcement: it was not being done prior to Trump. Now suddenly it is and the difference is night and day.
Stop marginalizing boys as well. Put armed guards at all schools.
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Here is a good example of what it would take to try to implement stricter gun control laws in the US
In 1989 here in Canada there was a mass shooting at a Quebec college. The shooter used a mini 14. There was a public outcry about it and eventually in 1995 the Liberal govt passed a gun registry program called bill C-68. 17 years and 2.7 billion tax dollars spent trying to implement it later the bill was scrapped. Long story short it was ineffective, and it was determined that it would cost the govt 100's of millions of dollars to enforce the bill through policing, court costs, etc.
http://nationalpost.com/opinion/gary-mauser-why-the-long-gun-registry-doesnt-work-and-never-did
This is in a country where gun ownership is a fraction of what it is in the US. With the amount of guns in the US, could you imagine how much it would cost to implement stricter gun control laws there? It would have to run into the 10's or 100's of billions of dollars. Where would that money come from? And how effective would it be in the end?
It didn't do much in Canada, just made things a lot more difficult and expensive for your regular every day responsible gun owners. How could it be successful in the US when it didn't work in Canada?
It would not be successful in the USA. Those dreaming of US gun control haven’t thought about the logistics of it and must be delusional.
Imagine if 200 Million gun owners were to forfeit 300 Million firearms. Now please tell me who would get the criminals to forfeit their approximately 100 Million firearms?
The Police are already overwhelmed and outgunned. Talk about a bloodbath!
Then imagine if a soulless dictator like HRC were to get into political office.
The genocide of the former Soviet might pale in comparison. :coffeeread:
That's just it. It's so easy for people to sit there and say just change the system, but how realistic is it? If it failed here on Canada I see no way that it would ever happen in the US
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Very well said and I agree 100%. Punishing law abiding gun owners will not change these outcomes.
As B/B mentioned boys and young men are being marginalized. But that’s only part of the equation. The Parkland shooter was also autistic and had been on psychiatric medications. He was a ticking time bomb and he was reported to both the Police and the FBI. To say the FBI dropped the ball is an understatement. Someone needs firing for this level incompetence. The legal system also needs modifications so a future potential perp can be quickly detained.
I’m also okay with the changes to gun laws suggested by Shakespear. I’m not 100% convinced his suggestions would make a difference but willing to try.
I don't believe that requiring owners of military style assault weapons to register the same way owners of automatic weapons register them is "punishment".
I think it is a necessary step that is now required due to the changes in societal behavior.
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Here is a good example of what it would take to try to implement stricter gun control laws in the US
In 1989 here in Canada there was a mass shooting at a Quebec college. The shooter used a mini 14. There was a public outcry about it and eventually in 1995 the Liberal govt passed a gun registry program called bill C-68. 17 years and 2.7 billion tax dollars spent trying to implement it later the bill was scrapped. Long story short it was ineffective, and it was determined that it would cost the govt 100's of millions of dollars to enforce the bill through policing, court costs, etc.
http://nationalpost.com/opinion/gary-mauser-why-the-long-gun-registry-doesnt-work-and-never-did
This is in a country where gun ownership is a fraction of what it is in the US. With the amount of guns in the US, could you imagine how much it would cost to implement stricter gun control laws there? It would have to run into the 10's or 100's of billions of dollars. Where would that money come from? And how effective would it be in the end?
It didn't do much in Canada, just made things a lot more difficult and expensive for your regular every day responsible gun owners. How could it be successful in the US when it didn't work in Canada?
It would not be successful in the USA. Those dreaming of US gun control haven’t thought about the logistics of it and must be delusional.
Imagine if 200 Million gun owners were to forfeit 300 Million firearms. Now please tell me who would get the criminals to forfeit their approximately 100 Million firearms?
The Police are already overwhelmed and outgunned. Talk about a bloodbath!
Then imagine if a soulless dictator like HRC were to get into political office.
The genocide of the former Soviet might pale in comparison. :coffeeread:
That's just it. It's so easy for people to sit there and say just change the system, but how realistic is it? If it failed here on Canada I see no way that it would ever happen in the US
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14344173_1115649178523342_2425557379944193717_n.jpg?oh=f1d492b5df650fcebd9eadcdbbf22b77&oe=5B0395F4)
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Very well said and I agree 100%. Punishing law abiding gun owners will not change these outcomes.
As B/B mentioned boys and young men are being marginalized. But that’s only part of the equation. The Parkland shooter was also autistic and had been on psychiatric medications. He was a ticking time bomb and he was reported to both the Police and the FBI. To say the FBI dropped the ball is an understatement. Someone needs firing for this level incompetence. The legal system also needs modifications so a future potential perp can be quickly detained.
I’m also okay with the changes to gun laws suggested by Shakespear. I’m not 100% convinced his suggestions would make a difference but willing to try.
I don't believe that requiring owners of military style assault weapons to register the same way owners of automatic weapons register them is "punishment".
I think it is a necessary step that is now required due to the changes in societal behavior.
(https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12249852_10205679329684238_5850124004801957613_n.jpg?oh=98ce83f1330c071157e8a1e7f46a0724&oe=5B04BE34)
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Here is a good example of what it would take to try to implement stricter gun control laws in the US
In 1989 here in Canada there was a mass shooting at a Quebec college. The shooter used a mini 14. There was a public outcry about it and eventually in 1995 the Liberal govt passed a gun registry program called bill C-68. 17 years and 2.7 billion tax dollars spent trying to implement it later the bill was scrapped. Long story short it was ineffective, and it was determined that it would cost the govt 100's of millions of dollars to enforce the bill through policing, court costs, etc.
http://nationalpost.com/opinion/gary-mauser-why-the-long-gun-registry-doesnt-work-and-never-did
This is in a country where gun ownership is a fraction of what it is in the US. With the amount of guns in the US, could you imagine how much it would cost to implement stricter gun control laws there? It would have to run into the 10's or 100's of billions of dollars. Where would that money come from? And how effective would it be in the end?
It didn't do much in Canada, just made things a lot more difficult and expensive for your regular every day responsible gun owners. How could it be successful in the US when it didn't work in Canada?
It would not be successful in the USA. Those dreaming of US gun control haven’t thought about the logistics of it and must be delusional.
Imagine if 200 Million gun owners were to forfeit 300 Million firearms. Now please tell me who would get the criminals to forfeit their approximately 100 Million firearms?
The Police are already overwhelmed and outgunned. Talk about a bloodbath!
Then imagine if a soulless dictator like HRC were to get into political office.
The genocide of the former Soviet might pale in comparison. :coffeeread:
Are you referring to the great famine during the 1920s? Food sources dried up and eventually degraded to cannibalism. Yummy. :sick0002: :sick0012:
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. . . The genocide of the former Soviet might pale in comparison.
Are you referring to the great famine during the 1920s? Food sources dried up and eventually degraded to cannibalism. . .
The discussion is off topic regarding the above, what occurred during the Soviet period was largely self manufactured. The famine or genocide is the result of 3P or deliberate hatred and bigotry depending on point of view. I believe the later viewpoint.
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In the what it is worth department the image posted is of the Boston Massacre of 1770. One of the first to die was an African-American, C. Attacus. The image is from circa 1850, there is in fact an 'contemporary' broad bill done by Paul Revere of the event.
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. . . The genocide of the former Soviet might pale in comparison.
Are you referring to the great famine during the 1920s? Food sources dried up and eventually degraded to cannibalism. . .
The discussion is off topic regarding the above, what occurred during the Soviet period was largely self manufactured. The famine or genocide is the result of 3P or deliberate hatred and bigotry depending on point of view. I believe the later viewpoint.
It’s not off topic. When a totalitarian government disarms their citizens and then uses their power to mistreat their citizens up to and including genocide it’s very much a part of the discussion about gun control.
Citizens being well armed in the USA keeps our government in check and guards against abuse of power; for example the FBI working against the will of the people and attempting to discredit President Trump with a bogus dossier which was paid for by Hillary Clinton. The fix was in and who knows what a lunatic like her would have done to us “deplorables”.
To answer DCguy I would say the whole ball of wax. Not only the man-made famine in Ukraine but also all of the purges back in Soviet Russia. Up until the purges we’re finally stopped and the abuse of power by Stalin was acknowledged by Kruschev.
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Some sickening news about the school shooting, there was an armed security guard, cop, working at the school, but was a coward and did not confront the shooter. >:(
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. . . The genocide of the former Soviet might pale in comparison.
Are you referring to the great famine during the 1920s? Food sources dried up and eventually degraded to cannibalism. . .
The discussion is off topic regarding the above, what occurred during the Soviet period was largely self manufactured. The famine or genocide is the result of 3P or deliberate hatred and bigotry depending on point of view. I believe the later viewpoint.
It’s not off topic. When a totalitarian government disarms their citizens and then uses their power to mistreat their citizens up to and including genocide it’s very much a part of the discussion about gun control.
Citizens being well armed in the USA keeps our government in check and guards against abuse of power; for example the FBI working against the will of the people and attempting to discredit President Trump with a bogus dossier which was paid for by Hillary Clinton. The fix was in and who knows what a lunatic like her would have done to us “deplorables”.
To answer DCguy I would say the whole ball of wax. Not only the man-made famine in Ukraine but also all of the purges back in Soviet Russia. Up until the purges we’re finally stopped and the abuse of power by Stalin was acknowledged by Kruschev.
I read that prior to the Second World War less than 5% of the population in The Soviet region of influence at the time had firearms. There were few fire arms to fire or disarm there.
As for abuse of power perhaps you have not heard of an incident that occurred on outskirts of Waco, Texas. And because some are either deplorable, dim witted or have selective memory, yes the Branch Davidians were rather well armed.
Some sickening news about the school shooting, there was an armed security guard, cop, working at the school, but was a coward and did not confront the shooter.
If true I guess that is one proposal that has been shot full holes now.
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As for abuse of power perhaps you have not heard of an incident that occurred on outskirts of Waco, Texas. And because some are either deplorable, dim witted or have selective memory, yes the Branch Davidians were rather well armed.
Speaking of which, has anyone been catching the 6-part mini series 'Waco' on Paramount Network (here in the US anyway)? I've been watching from the first episode. Dramatized, but pretty good (and fairly accurate as far as I can tell).
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Citizens being well armed in the USA keeps our government in check and guards against abuse of power; for example the FBI working against the will of the people and attempting to discredit President Trump with a bogus dossier which was paid for by Hillary Clinton. The fix was in and who knows what a lunatic like her would have done to us “deplorables”.
It is said that many gun owners 'fantasize' about engaging our own government (and probably true on the fringes, ie. Waco / OKC bombing), but the vast majority of everyone doesn't want that. We haven't been graced by a civil war in 150 years. It was bloody then and would be much bloodier today, would conflict break out.
An often-stated point in such a discussion is the fact that even with fully-automatic weapons, the citizenry of the US couldn't compete with the hardware of its military. True in absolute terms, but often overlooked are two important factors: the vast size of the country and the fact that most military personnel are conservative gun owners who'd abandon their posts and go home to protect their own families.
Regulation doesn't work here in the US quite like it does in other countries. As an unrelated example, about 50% of private pilots in Alaska aren't even licensed. :laugh:
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Citizens being well armed in the USA keeps our government in check and guards against abuse of power; for example the FBI working against the will of the people and attempting to discredit President Trump with a bogus dossier which was paid for by Hillary Clinton. The fix was in and who knows what a lunatic like her would have done to us “deplorables”.
It is said that many gun owners 'fantasize' about engaging our own government (and probably true on the fringes, ie. Waco / OKC bombing), but the vast majority of everyone doesn't want that. We haven't been graced by a civil war in 150 years. It was bloody then and would be much bloodier today, would conflict break out.
An often-stated point in such a discussion is the fact that even with fully-automatic weapons, the citizenry of the US couldn't compete with the hardware of its military. True in absolute terms, but often overlooked are two important factors: the vast size of the country and the fact that most military personnel are conservative gun owners who'd abandon their posts and go home to protect their own families.
Regulation doesn't work here in the US quite like it does in other countries. As an unrelated example, about 50% of private pilots in Alaska aren't even licensed. :laugh:
I suspect it is something like some of the drive by posters who fantasise about a relationship with a woman from the Slavic region. The best they can do is with an Asian cast off.
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Speaking of which, has anyone been catching the 6-part mini series 'Waco' on Paramount Network (here in the US anyway)? I've been watching from the first episode. Dramatized, but pretty good (and fairly accurate as far as I can tell).
Waco was a bad situation all around, made much worse by abuse of power by the FBI as directed by Janet Reno. Overall a perfect example of government overreach. You can believe the official version, which is bad to begin with, or the gritty real version.
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“Instead of knocking on the front door, they jumped out of the back of their truck, and stormed the compound, shooting their machine guns at the building, supposedly to arrest leader David Koresh, who quite frequently went jogging outside of the compound and often drove into town to pick up groceries. The government could have easily arrested him without incident.”
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“But they weren't interested in simply arresting Koresh. They wanted to make a statement. They wanted a confrontation. The Branch Davidians who originally opened the front door to greet them had to slam it shut to save their lives. Several Davidians and BATF agents were injured and killed. The BATF claimed the Davidians shot at them, however the door showed 13 bullet holes coming from the OUTSIDE IN, and none going from the inside out. This door mysteriously dissappeared and has never been found (funny how these things happen in cases like this isn’t it?)”
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“It all ended on April 19, 1993 when Delta Force agents showed up dressed to kill in Gestapo black uniforms. They hopped into their A1 tanks and punched holes into the side of the building. They then flooded the building with nerve gas, and apparently started a fire that consumed the building and caused the deaths of 86 of the men, women, and children inside.”
http://nstarzone.com/WACO1.html
(According to a report by the U.S. Department of the Treasury, the list of military personnel and equipment used at Waco included: 15 active-duty military personnel, 13 Texas National Guard personnel, nine Bradley fighting vehicles, five combat-engineer vehicles, one tank-retrieval vehicle and two M1A1 Abrams tanks. Additionally, Fort Hood reportedly was used for much of the training for the bloody attack on the Davidians and their children.)
Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2003/10/21282/#oZ6TID8ZddTdMOvs.99
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The alleged role of General Wesley Clark:
“For example, there is the 1993 siege of David Koresh’s Mount Carmel commune in Waco, Texas, where four law-enforcement officers were killed and nearly 90 civilians – men, women and children – massacred by being shot and/or burned alive. Those seeking an investigation of his part in the Waco outrage say that Clark not only played a hidden role in the military-style assault on the Branch Davidians, but easily could have refused to participate in what was a clear violation of the Posse Comitatus Act that bars use of the U.S. military for civilian law-enforcement activities.”
Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2003/10/21282/#I4kqVCohUtSIhMo8.99
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Citizens being well armed in the USA keeps our government in check and guards against abuse of power; for example the FBI working against the will of the people and attempting to discredit President Trump with a bogus dossier which was paid for by Hillary Clinton. The fix was in and who knows what a lunatic like her would have done to us “deplorables”.
It is said that many gun owners 'fantasize' about engaging our own government (and probably true on the fringes, ie. Waco / OKC bombing), but the vast majority of everyone doesn't want that. We haven't been graced by a civil war in 150 years. It was bloody then and would be much bloodier today, would conflict break out.
An often-stated point in such a discussion is the fact that even with fully-automatic weapons, the citizenry of the US couldn't compete with the hardware of its military. True in absolute terms, but often overlooked are two important factors: the vast size of the country and the fact that most military personnel are conservative gun owners who'd abandon their posts and go home to protect their own families.
Most military personnel would or should refuse to participate in unlawful actions against civilians.
“So what if the general was aware that his military equipment was being used against American civilians, and so what if he even participated in the planning? Wasn’t he just following orders from above?
“To follow that order,” explains Mehrten, “is to follow a blatantly illegal order of a kind every West Point officer knows is a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act. Clark’s obligation was to say, ‘No, I’m not going to do it.’ Look, Clark went to the same institution I did and at West Point we had extensive instruction in military ethics and issues concerning how one avoids obeying an illegal military order. It is drilled into our heads from the earliest days as cadets that the ‘I-was-just-following-orders’ defense isn’t necessarily a good one.”
Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2003/10/21282/#bHlLxXSfMSSIb4Se.99
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My own opinion one should look at the role of Janet Reno, but I am not entirely sure the blame is hers. Perhaps some one with the name Clinton . . .
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My own opinion one should look at the role of Janet Reno, but I am not entirely sure the blame is hers. Perhaps some one with the name Clinton . . .
Yes, the rumor is that she was egged on by none other than Hillary Clinton. :sick0012:
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Citizens being well armed in the USA keeps our government in check and guards against abuse of power; for example the FBI working against the will of the people and attempting to discredit President Trump with a bogus dossier which was paid for by Hillary Clinton. The fix was in and who knows what a lunatic like her would have done to us “deplorables”.
It is said that many gun owners 'fantasize' about engaging our own government (and probably true on the fringes, ie. Waco / OKC bombing), but the vast majority of everyone doesn't want that. We haven't been graced by a civil war in 150 years. It was bloody then and would be much bloodier today, would conflict break out.
An often-stated point in such a discussion is the fact that even with fully-automatic weapons, the citizenry of the US couldn't compete with the hardware of its military. True in absolute terms, but often overlooked are two important factors: the vast size of the country and the fact that most military personnel are conservative gun owners who'd abandon their posts and go home to protect their own families.
In todays times, in a war against our government the citizen would be vastly outgunned. They have so much firepower and technology no individuals could resist successfully.
But also the government has the power to shut off your utilities, freeze your bank account and simply wait you out. No one has the resources to last forever. Many, not even a few days. This tactic would be more efficient, result in less negative reaction/retaliation from the public and be much easier to get the military and police to perform. I don't think if war comes between the government and it's citizens it will be fought with bullets and bombs, but rather waged with economics and necessities. What will the citizen do if his/her child is sick or hungry and the government says no help can be had until you surrender? Sooner or later they will surrender.
While many conservative military personnel may opt out of a domestic war against the citizens, the military has just as many liberal minded who may feel the cause is just.
I am not a gun owner who worries about a fight with my government. But I do worry about things like looters and the lack of law and order during an emergency. I also worry about home invasions and robberies. Mostly though, I just worry as each right is eroded, we get farther and farther from being the America I grew up in.
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Mostly though, I just worry as each right is eroded, we get farther and farther from being the America I grew up in.
Sadly this is the unfortunate reality that most patriots whether they are on the left side or the right of the political spectrum fear and slowly realize. The ability to find a middle ground (compromise) has disappeared from American politics.
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Wayne LaPierre, leader of the National Rifle Association, took the stage Thursday morning at the Conservative Political Action Conference to deliver his first public comments since last week's deadly shooting at the school in Florida.
He said "It's a bizarre fact that in this country our jewelry stores, all over this country, are more important than our children," he said. "Our banks, our airports, our NBA games, our NFL games, our office buildings, our movie stars, our politicians, they're all more protected than our children at school."
Does that make any sense to anybody? Do we really love our money and our celebrities more than we love our children?"
The NRA has been hit hard in the aftermath of the shooting which left 17 dead. But LaPierre said the media was working overtime to paint the nation's largest gun organization in a bad light. "
Opportunists wasted not one second to exploit tragedy for political gain.
Democrats hate the NRA. They hate the Second Amendment. They hate individual freedom.
For them it's not a safety issue, it's a political issue. Their goal is to eliminate the Second Amendment and our firearms freedoms, so they can eradicate all individual freedoms.
Their solution is to make you, all of you, less free," LaPierre said. “They want to sweep right under the carpet the failure of school security, the failure of family, the failure of America's mental health system and even the unbelievable failure of the FBI,” he said of those calling for new gun restrictions.
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An alert security guard saves California's school from another shooting taking place.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/21/california-school-shooting-plot-thwarted-police-say.amp.html
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Wayne LaPierre, leader of the National Rifle Association, took the stage Thursday morning at the Conservative Political Action Conference to deliver his first public comments since last week's deadly shooting at the school in Florida.
He said "It's a bizarre fact that in this country our jewelry stores, all over this country, are more important than our children," he said. "Our banks, our airports, our NBA games, our NFL games, our office buildings, our movie stars, our politicians, they're all more protected than our children at school."
Does that make any sense to anybody? Do we really love our money and our celebrities more than we love our children?"
The NRA has been hit hard in the aftermath of the shooting which left 17 dead. But LaPierre said the media was working overtime to paint the nation's largest gun organization in a bad light. "
Opportunists wasted not one second to exploit tragedy for political gain.
Democrats hate the NRA. They hate the Second Amendment. They hate individual freedom.
For them it's not a safety issue, it's a political issue. Their goal is to eliminate the Second Amendment and our firearms freedoms, so they can eradicate all individual freedoms.
Their solution is to make you, all of you, less free," LaPierre said. “They want to sweep right under the carpet the failure of school security, the failure of family, the failure of America's mental health system and even the unbelievable failure of the FBI,” he said of those calling for new gun restrictions.
While what he says is true, there still has a ring of blame to it I don't like. In my opinion, the problem isn't that we protect or love other things more than our children. It is that until recently no one believed criminals would prey on our kids. School shootings are somewhat new to our culture. I think all, or at least most, have been within the last 30 years. We are still just conditioned to believe things like this don't happen to our innocent school kids. We understand banks, jewelry stores etc. get robbed often. We understand there are drive by shootings, murders and serial killings. But deep inside most good people still believe innocent kids in school are safe. This is changing now, as the school shootings increase.
Unlike some, I don't blame the general public who has never seen a need for armed guards in schools. I think the NRA has some valid points. But there is no sense in the NRA implying we don't value kids as much as property. This is no different than anti gunners implying we value guns more than kids. I hate the blame game.
We need to unite, not divide, to find solutions. I do not believe gun control is the answer. But neither is trying to point the finger at the other side. The system failed from the FBI, to the school resource officer and possibly other places too. But we need to fix the failures, not try to shift the blame.
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"Deputy Scot Peterson, of the Broward County Sheriff’s Office, was armed and stationed on the school’s campus when a suspect identified by authorities as Nikolas Cruz opened fire with an AR-15 rifle, leaving 17 people dead and others wounded.
Peterson resigned Thursday after video surveillance showed he never entered the school, even though he "clearly" knew there was a shooting taking place, officials said. The revelation prompted widespread outrage."
This cowards house is currently being guarded by 6 deputies but IMHO he will not enjoy his retirement. He is a "dead man walking". Suicide is the only way out for him.
Trump walked into a CNN scripted trap at that town hall meeting. I have read the transcripts. Trump offered several practical ideas to reduce these incidents - all of which were misquoted and rubbished by the liberal main stream media.
The liberals ONLY response is "gun control" even though the last assault rifle ban had no measurable effect on crime...
Trumps idea of raising the age of possession for assault rifles to 21, in line with hand guns, would have more impact IMHO.
Well the libtards are forcing the issue but they simply do not have the votes. There will be no significant "gun control" legislation.
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Trump read them off his cue card.
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Quote from Fox News -
"Deputy Scot Peterson, of the Broward County Sheriff’s Office, was armed and stationed on the school’s campus when a suspect identified by authorities as Nikolas Cruz opened fire with an AR-15 rifle, leaving 17 people dead and others wounded.
Peterson resigned Thursday after video surveillance showed he never entered the school, even though he "clearly" knew there was a shooting taking place, officials said. The revelation prompted widespread outrage."
This cowards house is currently being guarded by 6 deputies but IMHO he will not enjoy his retirement. He is a "dead man walking". Suicide is the only way out for him.
Trump walked into a CNN scripted trap at that town hall meeting. I have read the transcripts. Trump offered several practical ideas to reduce these incidents - all of which were misquoted and rubbished by the liberal main stream media.
The liberals ONLY response is "gun control" even though the last assault rifle ban had no measurable effect on crime...
Trumps idea of raising the age of possession for assault rifles to 21, in line with hand guns, would have more impact IMHO.
Well the libtards are forcing the issue but they simply do not have the votes. There will be no significant "gun control" legislation.
The media is not objective at all. They twist everything 180 degrees to fit their preferred version.
Trump is the first President who will take real action on this issue. Teachers who have the aptitude will be armed.
Once schools are no longer “gun free zones” the predators will stay away.
The FBI should be gutted and start over with agents sworn to uphold the original Constitution, not the twisted liberal rewrite.
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If true, not a problem for you folks. You are an ocean away. It doesn't touch you.
Oh, believe me, I am sure my countrymen have thanked God for the Atlantic Ocean many times before. The Pacific, too, but more often the Atlantic.
Why not try the "minding your own business" thing and see how that goes?
Tried it back in 1918. That worked out so well that tens of millions of people died thanks to the Europeans not listening to President Wilson and adopting punitive measures towards Germany. Remind me how that went again? Oh, right, within a generation, America had to ride to the rescue. Clearly the most sensible course thereafter was to keep you lot under supervision.
You guys have got a big leaky southern border to be fixing, plenty of issues with the blacks and a challenge to stop your cops shooting the population randomly. :nod:
If we wanted the border fixed it would be fixed. We need cheap Mexican labor and the Mexicans need cash. It isn't uncommon, at any given moment, for Mexico's top two sources of hard currency to be oil and...money sent back by illegal Mexicans. As I sometimes point out to my liberalish friends, when they whine about the minimum wage, if we policed the border, wages for menial jobs would rise on their own to attract workers. Done/Dusted. That does not appeal to their Moral Vanity of course....
The black problem will sort itself out, eventually. Even in Detroit and Chicago, although that may be in a "The Purge: Home Game" sort of way.
As for cops randomly shooting people, it's more in line with who commits violent crimes. Getting ventilated is an occupational hazard to violent crime. Perhaps your police should do less of things like enabling the child-rapers of Rotherham. Not really a good showing there.
Europe managed alright for over a thousand years before we built your new country. Which, it must be said, you have made a pigs ear of since left to your own devices with it. :smokin:
Sure: plaugue, fire, pestilence, and an obsession with f*cking up the Middle East that carried over into the 20th Century. You've had centuries to get it right and, well, haven't.
Meanwhile, we took the dregs of humanity, the unwanted, the cast offs---the gawddam IRISH for f*cks sake! And the Dagos, too!---and in the span of a couple of centuries, became the Heavyweight Motherf*cking CHAMPION of all time. We're 3/4ths Grizzly Bear and descended from a car wreck on our mother's side! When we sneeze, they lose their berets in Cap D'Antibes .When we...well, you get the idea.
Physician, heal thyself. You people have no legitimate business meddling in Europe. :)
If only. The last time we went back to minding our own business, it was scarcely a generation before Europe had sprouted a couple of homicidal dictators and whammo!, we were up to our elbows in alligators again.
History teaches us that when we leave Europe be, tens of millions of people die. Looks like the Muzzies will be running the game, next time. We'll see how you do. You'll be begging for Uncle Sugar back in no time.
If the United States did not 'meddle' most of Europe would be either pig or turnip farmers today speaking either Russian or German.
One wonders if that might not be preferable, actually. Minus all of the death and book (and people!) burning.
It was European politicians who dragged the United States into the mess of 2 World Wars.
And for the most bizarre reasons. Queen Victoria's nephew couldn't get along with her grandson and Arch Duke Franz Ferdinand gets into an argument on a street corner with Gavrilo Princip, undoubtedly over who had the sillier name.
B/B
I predict that Manny and company will be relocating to the USA within 15 years. For reasons bolded above!
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"Deputy Scot Peterson, of the Broward County Sheriff’s Office, was armed and stationed on the school’s campus when a suspect identified by authorities as Nikolas Cruz opened fire with an AR-15 rifle, leaving 17 people dead and others wounded.
Peterson resigned Thursday after video surveillance showed he never entered the school, even though he "clearly" knew there was a shooting taking place, officials said. The revelation prompted widespread outrage."
This cowards house is currently being guarded by 6 deputies but IMHO he will not enjoy his retirement. He is a "dead man walking". Suicide is the only way out for him.
Trump walked into a CNN scripted trap at that town hall meeting. I have read the transcripts. Trump offered several practical ideas to reduce these incidents - all of which were misquoted and rubbished by the liberal main stream media.
The liberals ONLY response is "gun control" even though the last assault rifle ban had no measurable effect on crime...
Trumps idea of raising the age of possession for assault rifles to 21, in line with hand guns, would have more impact IMHO.
Well the libtards are forcing the issue but they simply do not have the votes. There will be no significant "gun control" legislation.
I am saddened by his lack of courage, but realize I myself have never been combat tested. I enlisted in the Vietnam era, but not in time to have to go to combat duty. I realize now how lucky I am. I also realize until a man is under fire, he can never really know how he will react. Despite this man acting in a cowardly way, I have no wish for him to die. I dont know if I would have stepped up as a hero either? I hope so, but realize until the minute a man gets that test, there is no real way to know.
He will live the rest of his life in shame and with guilt. I actually feel somewhat sorry for him. He no doubt thought when he signed up, he was cut from the cloth of a hero. I doubt he signed on to intentionally react in fear and hide. His death, shaming or vilification will not bring those children back.
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And draft dodging Trumpton calls him a coward..
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And draft dodging Trumpton calls him a coward..
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Even if President Trump has armed security protection, he faces possible assassination each and every day.. who are you to make a statement referring to him as a coward?
President Trump is a true American hero! He is now the commander in chief of the United States military so he is definitely giving his services to the U.S..
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And draft dodging Trumpton calls him a coward..
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Even if President Trump has armed security protection, he faces possible assassination each and every day.. who are you to make a statement referring to him as a coward?
President Trump is a true American hero! He is now the commander in chief of the United States military so he is definitely giving his services to the U.S..
Trump could walk on water and Ste and company would still complain.
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And draft dodging Trumpton calls him a coward..
I wouldn't go so far as to say he was definitely a coward.
But he was definitely not properly trained on how to handle the
situation and was probably not properly selected when they gave
him the job.
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Trump could walk on water and Ste and company would still complain.
If Trump walked on water accross the Potomac, the headline on tomorrow's WaPo Jeff Bezos' Blog would read, TRUMP CAN'T SWIM!!!
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B/B
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If someone has an automatic or semi-automatic firearm and all you have is a pistol, you could have second thoughts about being part of "Pickett's Charge" or being part of the first group to land on Normandy. Your chances of subduing the perpetrator would be greatly diminished. And you may not have completed a last will and testament. :hidechair: :scared0005: :-\ :GRAVE:
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Quote from Fox News -
"Deputy Scot Peterson, of the Broward County Sheriff’s Office, was armed and stationed on the school’s campus when a suspect identified by authorities as Nikolas Cruz opened fire with an AR-15 rifle, leaving 17 people dead and others wounded.
Peterson resigned Thursday after video surveillance showed he never entered the school, even though he "clearly" knew there was a shooting taking place, officials said. The revelation prompted widespread outrage."
This cowards house is currently being guarded by 6 deputies but IMHO he will not enjoy his retirement. He is a "dead man walking". Suicide is the only way out for him.
Trump walked into a CNN scripted trap at that town hall meeting. I have read the transcripts. Trump offered several practical ideas to reduce these incidents - all of which were misquoted and rubbished by the liberal main stream media.
The liberals ONLY response is "gun control" even though the last assault rifle ban had no measurable effect on crime...
Trumps idea of raising the age of possession for assault rifles to 21, in line with hand guns, would have more impact IMHO.
Well the libtards are forcing the issue but they simply do not have the votes. There will be no significant "gun control" legislation.
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If someone has an automatic or semi-automatic firearm and all you have is a pistol, you could have second thoughts about being part of "Pickett's Charge" or being part of the first group to land on Normandy. Your chances of subduing the perpetrator would be greatly diminished. And you may not have completed a last will and testament. :hidechair: :scared0005: :-\ :GRAVE:
Former military people understand that risk and would assume it if they decided to take the job. What this man did was like a paid firefighter who refused to go into a burning building to save a life. Turns my stomach . . . . . . . . .
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A complete failure in logic. Comparing a living creature to an inanimate object.
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The more information that is given, the more questions comes mind.
The next 3 sheriff's deputies on site also took positions outside as well.
Peterson was not the only one that failed to enter and engage.
Peterson does however have some answering for his failure to react when he was also informed months before about the suspect.
Believe it or not, Peterson was given an award a couple years ago for his distinguished service.
This shooting NEVER should have happened
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But the nets have been a failure in many areas, and carry too high of maintenance cost to be practical for most countries. Thus we are back to my theory of capital punishment. If we killed the sharks that roam the public beaches, soon the sharks would learn to avoid areas with high human swimmers. Then the swimmers would be safer. I have never understood the folks that try everything to eliminate a problem, except eliminating the problem.
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I say we nuke the NRA from orbit. Its the only way to be sure...
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I say we nuke the NRA from orbit. Its the only way to be sure...
You’re an imbecile. The NRA receives ZERO tax dollars and they don’t kill anyone.
“Planned Parenthood” receives $500 Million a year in tax subsidies and they murder thousands of children a month.
I say we defund PP and make abortion illegal.
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I say we nuke the NRA from orbit. Its the only way to be sure...
You’re an imbecile. The NRA receives ZERO tax dollars and they don’t kill anyone.
“Planned Parenthood” receives $500 Million a year in tax subsidies and they murder thousands of children a month.
I say we defund PP and make abortion illegal.
I say we nuke the USA from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.
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Since 2001 20 Million Five Hundred and Seventy Thousand children have been murdered by “planned parenthood”. During that same time period 47 children have died in school shootings.
But Ste wants to outlaw the NRA, an organization for law abiding gun owners. Liberal logic at its finest. :sick0012:
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Based on the information I could find, there have been a total of 47 adults and children murdered in Government schools since 2001.
In that same period of time...
20,570,000 children have been murdered by abortion.
6,400 children drown in pools.
5,800 children were murdered by drunk drivers.
4,300 children died from defective/dangerous imported products.
2,600 children were murdered by illegals/DACA/dreamers
That mean Demonicraps who demand abortion be a right and are fighting for DACA and fighting to reduce penalties for drunk drivers and are fighting to destroy all American manufacturing are responsible for murdering 20,582,700 American children, yet they're claiming the moral high ground in going after guns, not the criminals who actually murdered 47 children with guns.
47 murdered by Leftist loons with guns
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20,582,700 murdered by Leftist loons pushing the Democratic Party agenda.
Guns aren't the problem, Leftists are!
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I say we nuke the NRA from orbit. Its the only way to be sure...
You’re an imbecile. The NRA receives ZERO tax dollars and they don’t kill anyone.
“Planned Parenthood” receives $500 Million a year in tax subsidies and they murder thousands of children a month.
I say we defund PP and make abortion illegal.
I say we nuke the USA from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.
I say when the Socialist dummies in the UK get tired of living under Sharia and beg for help from Uncle Sugar we tell you to Fock yourselves.
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I say we nuke the NRA from orbit. Its the only way to be sure...
You’re an imbecile. The NRA receives ZERO tax dollars and they don’t kill anyone.
“Planned Parenthood” receives $500 Million a year in tax subsidies and they murder thousands of children a month.
I say we defund PP and make abortion illegal.
I say we nuke the USA from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.
I say when the Socialist dummies in the UK get tired of living under Sharia and beg for help from Uncle Sugar we tell you to Fock yourselves.
I live in Ireland dood and in any case Sharia law isnt recognised anywhere in EU as far as i know.
All of your air base belong to us...
Ponyal’?
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I say we nuke the NRA from orbit. Its the only way to be sure...
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I dont know about the first two, and whether they are accurate or not. But the last one shows how low and how far the anti gunners go to push their crap. Kyle was shot by a man he befriended and was trying to help. It was someone he trusted enough to turn his back on, at a range using his familiarity with Kyle, and if i remember right shooting him in the back
How does this compare to an active shooter situation? What training compensates for betrayal by a trusted friend? And how does the death of Kyle translate into justifying not trying to protect kids with something besides a cardboard "no guns" sign?
No matter what transpires, evil folks will keep their guns, or find a way to procure more. Gun laws by nature only affect the law abiding. We have banned heroin, arson, drunk driving, and yes even murder. How have those bans worked out?
It is time to attack the problem, not the tool.
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I say we nuke the NRA from orbit. Its the only way to be sure...
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I dont know about the first two, and whether they are accurate or not. But the last one shows how low and how far the anti gunners go to push their crap. Kyle was shot by a man he befriended and was trying to help. It was someone he trusted enough to turn his back on, at a range using his familiarity with Kyle, and if i remember right shooting him in the back
How does this compare to an active shooter situation? What training compensates for betrayal by a trusted friend? And how does the death of Kyle translate into justifying not trying to protect kids with something besides a cardboard "no guns" sign?
No matter what transpires, evil folks will keep their guns, or find a way to procure more. Gun laws by nature only affect the law abiding. We have banned heroin, arson, drunk driving, and yes even murder. How have those bans worked out?
It is time to attack the problem, not the tool.
Dunblane is true, agreed on the others, i just posted them to annoy Confederate!
Andy Murray attended Dunblane school...
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I say we nuke the NRA from orbit. Its the only way to be sure...
I dont know about the first two, and whether they are accurate or not. But the last one shows how low and how far the anti gunners go to push their crap. Kyle was shot by a man he befriended and was trying to help. It was someone he trusted enough to turn his back on, at a range using his familiarity with Kyle, and if i remember right shooting him in the back
How does this compare to an active shooter situation? What training compensates for betrayal by a trusted friend? And how does the death of Kyle translate into justifying not trying to protect kids with something besides a cardboard "no guns" sign?
No matter what transpires, evil folks will keep their guns, or find a way to procure more. Gun laws by nature only affect the law abiding. We have banned heroin, arson, drunk driving, and yes even murder. How have those bans worked out?
It is time to attack the problem, not the tool.
Don’t waste your time arguing with sheep who don’t comprehend that their Shepherds like lamb chops. :coffeeread:
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I say we nuke the NRA from orbit. Its the only way to be sure...
I dont know about the first two, and whether they are accurate or not. But the last one shows how low and how far the anti gunners go to push their crap. Kyle was shot by a man he befriended and was trying to help. It was someone he trusted enough to turn his back on, at a range using his familiarity with Kyle, and if i remember right shooting him in the back
How does this compare to an active shooter situation? What training compensates for betrayal by a trusted friend? And how does the death of Kyle translate into justifying not trying to protect kids with something besides a cardboard "no guns" sign?
No matter what transpires, evil folks will keep their guns, or find a way to procure more. Gun laws by nature only affect the law abiding. We have banned heroin, arson, drunk driving, and yes even murder. How have those bans worked out?
It is time to attack the problem, not the tool.
Don’t waste your time arguing with sheep who don’t comprehend that their Shepherds like lamb chops. :coffeeread:
When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea
Eric Cantona...
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Seriously tho seems NRA is losing support certainly from sponsors.
#overourdeadchildren
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Seriously tho seems NRA is losing support certainly from sponsors.
#overourdeadchildren
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No doubt about that. The NRA sponsors have to look at the bottom line more than the politics. That is one place the liberals way out battle the conservatives. They will lose money and do without things they like to make a point. Conservatives tend to go ahead and support businesses they disagree with.
Even though i often disagree with liberals, i admire their dedication to the cause, as long as they keep it civil and legal. I dont support censorship or things like looting/rioting. But i admire the way they will boycott a company or product to further their cause.
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Seriously tho seems NRA is losing support certainly from sponsors.
#overourdeadchildren
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No doubt about that. The NRA sponsors have to look at the bottom line more than the politics. That is one place the liberals way out battle the conservatives. They will lose money and do without things they like to make a point. Conservatives tend to go ahead and support businesses they disagree with.
Even though i often disagree with liberals, i admire their dedication to the cause, as long as they keep it civil and legal. I dont support censorship or things like looting/rioting. But i admire the way they will boycott a company or product to further their cause.
You really don’t speak for the NRA nor do you speak for true Conservatives. You sound more like a Kasich RINO.
The NRA is doing fine and more importantly the 2nd amendment is solid as ever.
If you believe the Media on this you’ll fall for anything. The NRA will easily survive thru private donations.
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I say we nuke the NRA from orbit. Its the only way to be sure...
You’re an imbecile. The NRA receives ZERO tax dollars and they don’t kill anyone.
“Planned Parenthood” receives $500 Million a year in tax subsidies and they murder thousands of children a month.
I say we defund PP and make abortion illegal.
I say we nuke the USA from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.
I say when the Socialist dummies in the UK get tired of living under Sharia and beg for help from Uncle Sugar we tell you to Fock yourselves.
I live in Ireland dood and in any case Sharia law isnt recognised anywhere in EU as far as i know.
All of your air base belong to us...
If the USA ever does turn against the UK we’ve got more than enough assets to end you within a matter of weeks.
Large parts of London are Sharia and the cancer is rapidly spreading. Enjoy your destiny.
http://yournewswire.com/judge-muslim-pedophile-prison/
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I live in Ireland dood and in any case Sharia law isnt recognised anywhere in EU as far as i know.
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In London it is, unfortunately.
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In the Netherlands, you can legally own a handgun and high-powered rifles (But not semi- or full-automatics).
There have been 0 shootings, because....
There is extremely high vetting taking place. Any time you are convicted of a crime -> turn in your gun. Any time you use it outside of a shooting range: Turn in your guns.. Anytime a surprise visit finds the gun inadequately put behind lock and key.... you guessed it.
No gun ownership for:
Criminals (riiiiight, thats gonna work)
Mentally insane (and there are none)
Anyone below the age of 18. (so no school shootings)
And guess what, because of the heavy-handed rules, only the true gun-lovers own one, or want one.
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I live in Ireland dood and in any case Sharia law isnt recognised anywhere in EU as far as i know.
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In London it is, unfortunately.
It isn't. London has the same legal system as England and Wales and the law is English Law pure and simple. In Scotland the law is different but based on English Law. Even here in Ireland the law is basically English law with England replaced by Ireland.
An example without quoting the entire statute book, Islamic marriages are not legal marriages in UK. Full Stop. They can marry religiously in a mosque but they have to formally marry in a place that can legally give marriages, ie UK church (Anglican, RC whatever), Registry Office or some non-denominal places that can give marriage, I think some Hindu Temples can under UK law and practise on top the religious one.
The Law is King. As it is it's the Law of England and Wales...
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In the Netherlands, you can legally own a handgun and high-powered rifles (But not semi- or full-automatics).
There have been 0 shootings, because....
There is extremely high vetting taking place. Any time you are convicted of a crime -> turn in your gun. Any time you use it outside of a shooting range: Turn in your guns.. Anytime a surprise visit finds the gun inadequately put behind lock and key.... you guessed it.
No gun ownership for:
Criminals (riiiiight, thats gonna work)
Mentally insane (and there are none)
Anyone below the age of 18. (so no school shootings)
And guess what, because of the heavy-handed rules, only the true gun-lovers own one, or want one.
Same in UK, you can have them if you really want one.
Under strict control though, but no one says you cannot have a proper gun if you can prove you are capable of the responsibility of own ing one.
The overarching argument though is who wants a gun? I don't want one and I don't know hardly anyone who does.
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Mohabi's "solution" - order your children into the water so they can get sodomized and murdered by the sharks. Because, hey, the sharks have their own culture and we can't judge them, and this is just "payback" for us coming into the sea, so, so long as it's the children of people who aren't good Guardian readers like us, then who cares if the sharks have a bit of fun, eh?
The Law is King. As it is it's the Law of England and Wales...
How'd that work out for the children of Rotherham?
Or Rochdale.
Or Oxford.
Or Derby,
Or Rochdale again.
Or Bristol.
Or Telford.
Or Peterborough.
Or Banbury.
Or Aylesbury.
Or Keighley.
Or Halifax.
Where was the Law when they needed to be protected from Muslim child rapists?
B/B
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I live in Ireland dood and in any case Sharia law isnt recognised anywhere in EU as far as i know.
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In London it is, unfortunately.
It isn't. London has the same legal system as England and Wales and the law is English Law pure and simple. In Scotland the law is different but based on English Law. Even here in Ireland the law is basically English law with England replaced by Ireland.
An example without quoting the entire statute book, Islamic marriages are not legal marriages in UK. Full Stop. They can marry religiously in a mosque but they have to formally marry in a place that can legally give marriages, ie UK church (Anglican, RC whatever), Registry Office or some non-denominal places that can give marriage, I think some Hindu Temples can under UK law and practise on top the religious one.
The Law is King. As it is it's the Law of England and Wales...
As I understand it, the Sharia courts in London go much further than that.
For instance: Legally binding family-mediation in case of disputes.
And the worst part of it is: You must goto a sharia court (as muslim) because British courts will say that you must try mediation before bringing the matter before the law.
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I live in Ireland dood and in any case Sharia law isnt recognised anywhere in EU as far as i know.
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In London it is, unfortunately.
It isn't. London has the same legal system as England and Wales and the law is English Law pure and simple. In Scotland the law is different but based on English Law. Even here in Ireland the law is basically English law with England replaced by Ireland.
An example without quoting the entire statute book, Islamic marriages are not legal marriages in UK. Full Stop. They can marry religiously in a mosque but they have to formally marry in a place that can legally give marriages, ie UK church (Anglican, RC whatever), Registry Office or some non-denominal places that can give marriage, I think some Hindu Temples can under UK law and practise on top the religious one.
The Law is King. As it is it's the Law of England and Wales...
As I understand it, the Sharia courts in London go much further than that.
For instance: Legally binding family-mediation in case of disputes.
And the worst part of it is: You must goto a sharia court (as muslim) because British courts will say that you must try mediation before bringing the matter before the law.
I'll take a look, my bro is a social worker and gets all this all time and insists there is no legal requirement. However my mind is open so I'll investigate for my own interests...
Nadia watching The Death of Stalin now on Mac, feels wrong! Like we're gonna get in trouble...
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Seriously tho seems NRA is losing support certainly from sponsors.
#overourdeadchildren
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No doubt about that. The NRA sponsors have to look at the bottom line more than the politics. That is one place the liberals way out battle the conservatives. They will lose money and do without things they like to make a point. Conservatives tend to go ahead and support businesses they disagree with.
Even though i often disagree with liberals, i admire their dedication to the cause, as long as they keep it civil and legal. I dont support censorship or things like looting/rioting. But i admire the way they will boycott a company or product to further their cause.
You really don’t speak for the NRA nor do you speak for true Conservatives. You sound more like a Kasich RINO.
The NRA is doing fine and more importantly the 2nd amendment is solid as ever.
If you believe the Media on this you’ll fall for anything. The NRA will easily survive thru private donations.
? I sound like a Rino because I admire the fact that liberals will go all out to support their cause? I sound like a Rino because I said NRA advertising sponsors have to look at the bottom line and make a business decision about where to advertise? I am not a true conservative because I find things in folks I disagree with that are still what I consider admirable traits?
I don't think I said the 2nd amendment or the NRA were done. I must admit you lost me on that whole post. But anyway, I wasn't a Kasich guy. I was however a proud Reagan voter, while I was in the US Navy. I am also a self employed small business owner, what I consider to be a conservative, and a long time gun owner including AR-15's.
Thank you though for your opinion.
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Mohabi's "solution" - order your children into the water so they can get sodomized and murdered by the sharks. Because, hey, the sharks have their own culture and we can't judge them, and this is just "payback" for us coming into the sea, so, so long as it's the children of people who aren't good Guardian readers like us, then who cares if the sharks have a bit of fun, eh?
The Law is King. As it is it's the Law of England and Wales...
How'd that work out for the children of Rotherham?
Or Rochdale.
Or Oxford.
Or Derby,
Or Rochdale again.
Or Bristol.
Or Telford.
Or Peterborough.
Or Banbury.
Or Aylesbury.
Or Keighley.
Or Halifax.
Where was the Law when they needed to be protected from Muslim child rapists?
B/B
Ste says he lives in Ireland. No Sharia there he claims, but he’ll check with his brother. :drunk:
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Mohabi's "solution" - order your children into the water so they can get sodomized and murdered by the sharks. Because, hey, the sharks have their own culture and we can't judge them, and this is just "payback" for us coming into the sea, so, so long as it's the children of people who aren't good Guardian readers like us, then who cares if the sharks have a bit of fun, eh?
The Law is King. As it is it's the Law of England and Wales...
How'd that work out for the children of Rotherham?
Or Rochdale.
Or Oxford.
Or Derby,
Or Rochdale again.
Or Bristol.
Or Telford.
Or Peterborough.
Or Banbury.
Or Aylesbury.
Or Keighley.
Or Halifax.
Where was the Law when they needed to be protected from Muslim child rapists?
B/B
Ste says he lives in Ireland. No Sharia there he claims. :drunk:
There is only 'egrep 'England and Wales|Scotland|Ireland' - don't see Sharia or Harry Potter in there.
Try again...
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I note the gun toting apologists chose to ignore the irony of my shark meme...what a surprise...(not)
Then we had the likes of BB and cornfed introduce a red herring...'Sharia law's...which just isn't law here...
Then BB brings up 'muslim' rapists ? What use will a gun be ? Ah the rapist pulls the gun, first and says get in my car, little girl?
#twistedlogic
I am wondering of BB and cornfed HAVE kids..?
Lastly, I am writing this from a 'muslim country' and SC is happy sunbathing minus a top by the pool...
So interesting to read how some folks think life is in places they've never been. ..
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I note the gun toting apologists chose to ignore the irony of my shark meme...what a surprise...(not)
It's not even a good meme, and that's before we get to the logical faults. But those sorts of things are much more about our liberal friends' self-regard than anything else.
Then BB brings up 'muslim' rapists ? What use will a gun be ?
I'm a crack shot, moby. I'd put 2 in their 10 rings, and then go home and sleep the Dreamless Sleep of the Innocent.
Ah the rapist pulls the gun, first and says get in my car, little girl?
The rapists would have to figure "vengeful, heavily armed fathers" into their calculations, as opposed to "morally paralyzed police".
#twistedlogic
The "twisted logic" is evidently thinking that you have to allow Muslim grooming gangs to rape children because: Multiculturalism....
I am wondering of BB and cornfed HAVE kids..?
I wonder why you don't love your own more that you are so willing to sacrifice the future of the nation of your birth on the Altar of the Great Multi-Culti LIE....
Lastly, I am writing this from a 'muslim country' and SC is happy sunbathing minus a top by the pool...
Yes, well, fairly soon you could be writing it from the UK and also be in a 'muslim country'....
B/B
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Back on topic.
Main Stream Media are very good at spinning actions to appear to be be way more important than they are. For example United airlines and Delta. What have these corporations done? Nothing really except exploit the PR situation. Here are the announcements made on Twitter -
United Airlines
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@united
United is notifying the NRA that we will no longer offer a discounted rate to their annual meeting and we are asking that the NRA remove our information from their website.
Delta
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@Delta
Delta is reaching out to the NRA to let them know we will be ending their contract for discounted rates through our group travel program. We will be requesting that the NRA remove our information from their website.
Ending discounts for NRA members :ROFL: :ROFL:
Their competitors will jump in soon and take up the slack...
When the NRA's big corporate sponsors start backing off then it will be time to worry. Somehow I don't see Beretta, Smith & Wesson and Storm Ruger doing this. Kinda like Turkeys voting for Thanksgiving :ROFL:
The NRA riposte to all this spin is straightforward -
"The law-abiding members of the NRA had nothing at all to do with the failure of that school's security preparedness, the failure of America's mental health system, the failure of the National Instant Check System or the cruel failures of both federal and local law enforcement."
That is the simple truth...
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The simplest truth is that our American cousins are too daft to see that they kill / main more of each other BECAUSE of guns - rather than the lack of 'em
and thanks, BB - unlike you I realise my daughters are statistically safer in the UK than the US ... go figure ...
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While I think Delta and United are indeed grandstanding. Colt Fire Arms and I believe Herstal (owner of Winchester) have declared bankruptcy recently.
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"The law-abiding members of the NRA had nothing at all to do with the failure of that school's security preparedness, the failure of America's mental health system, the failure of the National Instant Check System or the cruel failures of both federal and local law enforcement."
NRA statement
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Then we had the likes of BB and cornfed introduce a red herring...'Sharia law's...which just isn't law here...
Then BB brings up 'muslim' rapists ? What use will a gun be ? Ah the rapist pulls the gun, first and says get in my car, little girl?
The truth of the situation is that rapists run at the thought of trying
to abduct an armed girl. They don't decide to enter into quick draw
contests.
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The truth of the situation is that rapists run at the thought of trying
to abduct an armed girl. They don't decide to enter into quick draw
contests.
Rape in the United states: (2016 figures) : 7.9 per 100.000 inhabitants: Source FBI : https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-2016-crime-statistics
Rape in the NEtherlands (2016 figures) : 8.0 per 100.000 inhabitants: Source CBS: http://statline.cbs.nl/Statweb/publication/?DM=SLNL&PA=83648NED and https://opendata.cbs.nl/statline/#/CBS/nl/dataset/37296ned/table?ts=1519590091772
It would seem guns or no guns makes little difference to the potential rapists. These are reported crimes only of course.
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In the Netherlands, you can legally own a handgun and high-powered rifles (But not semi- or full-automatics).
There have been 0 shootings, because....
There is extremely high vetting taking place. Any time you are convicted of a crime -> turn in your gun. Any time you use it outside of a shooting range: Turn in your guns.. Anytime a surprise visit finds the gun inadequately put behind lock and key.... you guessed it.
No gun ownership for:
Criminals (riiiiight, thats gonna work)
Mentally insane (and there are none)
Anyone below the age of 18. (so no school shootings)
And guess what, because of the heavy-handed rules, only the true gun-lovers own one, or want one.
Same in UK, you can have them if you really want one.
Under strict control though, but no one says you cannot have a proper gun if you can prove you are capable of the responsibility of own ing one.
The overarching argument though is who wants a gun? I don't want one and I don't know hardly anyone who does.
Many people do, especially in the more rural areas. I have but I enjoy busting clays.
Oh and Scots law isn’t based on English law. :)
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All this silly talk about bring armed and how it makes one safer is just a load of silly waving by immature man-boys who'd not have the balls to take the required action or deal with the psychological consequences of killing, or trying to kill, another human.
There's good reasons why most soldiers in active service never discharge their weapon at an enemy target and why intense conditioning is carried out on soldiers to get even those few to do so.
There's good reasons why police officers get psychological counselling after they kill somebody and why they are supposed to get annual training/conditioning to enable them to perform, at some level, that part of the job requiring the use of a firearm.
Even if you bunch of scared willy wavers were all armed, all of you except the already mentally ill, would be incapable of using them as you fantasise.
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All this silly talk about bring armed and how it makes one safer is just a load of silly waving by immature man-boys who'd not have the balls to take the required action or deal with the psychological consequences of killing, or trying to kill, another human.
There's good reasons why most soldiers in active service never discharge their weapon at an enemy target and why intense conditioning is carried out on soldiers to get even those few to do so.
There's good reasons why police officers get psychological counselling after they kill somebody and why they are supposed to get annual training/conditioning to enable them to perform, at some level, that part of the job requiring the use of a firearm.
Even if you bunch of scared willy wavers were all armed, all of you except the already mentally ill, would be incapable of using them as you fantasise.
You’re full of it when speaking about the military. You’ve not been in the service, you have no training, nor have you been faced with kill or be killed.
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The truth of the situation is that rapists run at the thought of trying
to abduct an armed girl. They don't decide to enter into quick draw
contests.
Rape in the United states: (2016 figures) : 7.9 per 100.000 inhabitants: Source FBI : https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-2016-crime-statistics
Rape in the NEtherlands (2016 figures) : 8.0 per 100.000 inhabitants: Source CBS: http://statline.cbs.nl/Statweb/publication/?DM=SLNL&PA=83648NED and https://opendata.cbs.nl/statline/#/CBS/nl/dataset/37296ned/table?ts=1519590091772
It would seem guns or no guns makes little difference to the potential rapists. These are reported crimes only of course.
I suspect most US rapes happen in larger cities. Few city girls carry. Most city girls are liberals.
So the statistics are likely skewed.
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The simplest truth is that our American cousins are too daft to see that they kill / main more of each other BECAUSE of guns - rather than the lack of 'em
and thanks, BB - unlike you I realise my daughters are statistically safer in the UK than the US ... go figure ...
Sure Mohabism.
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/02/london-sees-20-rise-in-rape-reports-in-a-year-police-say-we-dont-understand-the-causes
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I note the gun toting apologists chose to ignore the irony of my shark meme...what a surprise...(not)
Then we had the likes of BB and cornfed introduce a red herring...'Sharia law's...which just isn't law here...
Then BB brings up 'muslim' rapists ? What use will a gun be ? Ah the rapist pulls the gun, first and says get in my car, little girl?
#twistedlogic
I am wondering of BB and cornfed HAVE kids..?
Lastly, I am writing this from a 'muslim country' and SC is happy sunbathing minus a top by the pool...
So interesting to read how some folks think life is in places they've never been. ..
Actually I only ignored it as it is an impossible example. However on the other hand if sharks were really capable of being trained, like dogs, the concept of guard sharks would be much more effective than hanging "shark free zone signs" for the killer sharks to see.
Lets face it, in a practical application the shark example is used often. Big game hunters used elephants for protection as even the large cats wouldn't attack them. People everywhere use guard dogs to ward off other canines like wolves, and coyotes. They are also used locally here to fend off feral dogs that chase cattle.
Many animals are used as guardians, but sharks are not trainable. Bottle nosed dolphins or porpoises have been considered, but were also not able to be reliably trained in numerous experiments.
I ignored the example, as it is just not practical. But like I say, on a general concept basis, using animals to protect us from animals has been utilized for years.
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The simplest truth is that our American cousins are too daft to see that they kill / main more of each other BECAUSE of guns - rather than the lack of 'em
and thanks, BB - unlike you I realise my daughters are statistically safer in the UK than the US ... go figure ...
I would bet that statistic is wrong. It also is all conjecture on both sides as there is no way to estimate how many deaths would occur anyway due to other weapons, how many suicides and or cops shooting bad guys are figured in, how many criminals do attack specifically because of no guns or fail to attack because there are. This is the kind of pure BS stat gun ban advocates love because it is improvable. My guess is guns save more lives in America than they take. Just the fact we never see mass shootings in areas where concealed carry firearms are permitted would tell any open minded person something.
Sadly gun control is an issue that will likely never find the two sides coming together. But what I wonder is why so many folks who live in areas where guns are heavily regulated concern themselves so much with places they are not? And, I don't mean you from overseas, I mean folks here who live in California, Illinois, New Jersey, etc.
The cities of Baltimore and Chicago are murder factories with gun violence an every day a common theme. They have massive gun control ordinances, but their cites are overran with them. But, they want to tell folks in crime free pro gun cities what to do. It makes no sense to me.
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All this silly talk about bring armed and how it makes one safer is just a load of silly waving by immature man-boys who'd not have the balls to take the required action or deal with the psychological consequences of killing, or trying to kill, another human.
There's good reasons why most soldiers in active service never discharge their weapon at an enemy target and why intense conditioning is carried out on soldiers to get even those few to do so.
There's good reasons why police officers get psychological counselling after they kill somebody and why they are supposed to get annual training/conditioning to enable them to perform, at some level, that part of the job requiring the use of a firearm.
Even if you bunch of scared willy wavers were all armed, all of you except the already mentally ill, would be incapable of using them as you fantasise.
Not true at all. There are many stories every month on the news of folks who defend their home using a firearm. Not all have to shoot the attacker, but many do. Many times just the sight of the gun makes an intruder run. Under the fear of death many otherwise mild and timid folks rise to the occasion and defend their lives with lethal force.
Even if what you say is true, how does that affect whether folks should be allowed a gun or not? How are they better off unarmed, than armed? Any criminal that would take a law abiding citizen's gun and kill them with it, is likely to kill them anyway if they do not have a gun. I cant see any down side to a person at least having a chance. Especially an older weaker victim like most home invaders in this area prefer. These older folks have no chance to fight off a meth addict bare handed.
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^It’s a matter of having sufficient training and repetitions. Once there’s been enough training your reactions become automatic, even sub-conscious. Just like an athlete who reacts without thinking.
This works very well in the military and I suspect guys like you and B/B who get in enough target practice can respond quickly and accurately.
The U.K. metrosexual pacifist types not so much.
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The simplest truth is that our American cousins are too daft to see that they kill / main more of each other BECAUSE of guns - rather than the lack of 'em
and thanks, BB - unlike you I realise my daughters are statistically safer in the UK than the US ... go figure ...
I would bet that statistic is wrong. It also is all conjecture on both sides as there is no way to estimate how many deaths would occur anyway due to other weapons, how many suicides and or cops shooting bad guys are figured in, how many criminals do attack specifically because of no guns or fail to attack because there are. This is the kind of pure BS stat gun ban advocates love because it is improvable. My guess is guns save more lives in America than they take. Just the fact we never see mass shootings in areas where concealed carry firearms are permitted would tell any open minded person something.
Sadly gun control is an issue that will likely never find the two sides coming together. But what I wonder is why so many folks who live in areas where guns are heavily regulated concern themselves so much with places they are not? And, I don't mean you from overseas, I mean folks here who live in California, Illinois, New Jersey, etc.
The cities of Baltimore and Chicago are murder factories with gun violence an every day a common theme. They have massive gun control ordinances, but their cites are overran with them. But, they want to tell folks in crime free pro gun cities what to do. It makes no sense to me.
The wide gap in perceptions regarding ownership of firearms in the USA is mostly a big city versus rural mentality.
For country folk guns and especially rifles for hunting are simply something you grew up with. Rural people are comfortable around firearms and crime is low. Police are also often far enough away that rural people know they may need to be prepared to provide their own security.
I really cannot imagine anyone in Broward Co, Florida trusting law enforcement now but that’s another story.
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Having a gun and using it to defend or protect others is very common these days.
https://www.google.com/amp/abc13.com/amp/mom-daughter-duo-shoot-would-be-robber-in-their-liquor-store/3135103/
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Looks like the wild-wild-west mentality is returning, just shoot mo'fo out there and sherrifs are just convenient -if- they are around.
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All this silly talk about bring armed and how it makes one safer is just a load of silly waving by immature man-boys who'd not have the balls to take the required action or deal with the psychological consequences of killing, or trying to kill, another human.
There's good reasons why most soldiers in active service never discharge their weapon at an enemy target and why intense conditioning is carried out on soldiers to get even those few to do so.
There's good reasons why police officers get psychological counselling after they kill somebody and why they are supposed to get annual training/conditioning to enable them to perform, at some level, that part of the job requiring the use of a firearm.
Even if you bunch of scared willy wavers were all armed, all of you except the already mentally ill, would be incapable of using them as you fantasise.
You’re full of it when speaking about the military. You’ve not been in the service, you have no training, nor have you been faced with kill or be killed.
Hmm... When you don't know stuff you fall back on making unsupported claims of fantasy as fact, you have that pattern, it is what you do.
Tell me something, what do you think basic training in the military is for? Tell us about how it is NOT conditioning. Perhaps, in your considered reply you might want to refer to how training is actually carried out and demonstrate how what is going on is not conditioning in order to be able to shoot. You might also tell us about how PTSD is NOT a 'thing', about how mental illness among US servicemen on active duty (and more often upon their discharge) is not a thing. Tell us about how police are NOT given counseling after they have been involved in shooting cases.
The simple fact is that most, normal, people simply can not take another person's life, not for any reason. To kill requires a whole heap of conditioning. Here's another thing, if one defends from fear, tell me how, as an experienced gun user, about how fear leads to poor reaction times, unsteadiness of hand, and poor decision making.
Unlike some, I have no need to piss on an electric fence to know that doing so is painful. I and some others are able to learn from the knowledge of experts. It is useful in the civilised world to be able to learn. Here's one of your countrymen, a man with first-hand practical knowledge, backed by training on the topic of killing: https://www.waldorflibrary.org/images/stories/Journal_Articles/RB6201.pdf Don't worry, there's plenty more knowledge to be had. I will take their knowledge over the fantasies of frightened man-boys. I chose this piece because it is easy to read.
Here's another, easy to read piece with some helpful links for your own learning: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/why-soldiers-get-a-kick-out-of-killing/
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All this silly talk about bring armed and how it makes one safer is just a load of silly waving by immature man-boys who'd not have the balls to take the required action or deal with the psychological consequences of killing, or trying to kill, another human.
There's good reasons why most soldiers in active service never discharge their weapon at an enemy target and why intense conditioning is carried out on soldiers to get even those few to do so.
There's good reasons why police officers get psychological counselling after they kill somebody and why they are supposed to get annual training/conditioning to enable them to perform, at some level, that part of the job requiring the use of a firearm.
Even if you bunch of scared willy wavers were all armed, all of you except the already mentally ill, would be incapable of using them as you fantasise.
You’re full of it when speaking about the military. You’ve not been in the service, you have no training, nor have you been faced with kill or be killed.
Hmm... When you don't know stuff you fall back on making unsupported claims of fantasy as fact, you have that pattern, it is what you do.
Tell me something, what do you think basic training in the military is for? Tell us about how it is NOT conditioning. Perhaps, in your considered reply you might want to refer to how training is actually carried out and demonstrate how what is going on is not conditioning in order to be able to shoot. You might also tell us about how PTSD is NOT a 'thing', about how mental illness among US servicemen on active duty (and more often upon their discharge) is not a thing. Tell us about how police are NOT given counseling after they have been involved in shooting cases.
The simple fact is that most, normal, people simply can not take another person's life, not for any reason. To kill requires a whole heap of conditioning. Here's another thing, if one defends from fear, tell me how, as an experienced gun user, about how fear leads to poor reaction times, unsteadiness of hand, and poor decision making.
Unlike some, I have no need to piss on an electric fence to know that doing so is painful. I and some others are able to learn from the knowledge of experts. It is useful in the civilised world to be able to learn. Here's one of your countrymen, a man with first-hand practical knowledge, backed by training on the topic of killing: https://www.waldorflibrary.org/images/stories/Journal_Articles/RB6201.pdf Don't worry, there's plenty more knowledge to be had. I will take their knowledge over the fantasies of frightened man-boys. I chose this piece because it is easy to read.
Here's another, easy to read piece with some helpful links for your own learning: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/why-soldiers-get-a-kick-out-of-killing/
So you admit to being the typical Euro-*snip* who would allow his family to be assaulted because...? (:)
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Looks like the wild-wild-west mentality is returning, just shoot mo'fo out there and sherrifs are just convenient -if- they are around.
Did It ever really leave? :chuckle:
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So you admit to being the typical Euro-*snip* who would allow his family to be assaulted because...? (:)
To be fair, that's very untypical. If you doubt me, come to Glasgow and ask about. :)
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Ah, when someone quotes cornfed- I see how well-travelled he is ...
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So you admit to being the typical Euro-*snip* who would allow his family to be assaulted because...? (:)
To be fair, that's very untypical. If you doubt me, come to Glasgow and ask about. :)
You’re a Scott. tiphat
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All this silly talk about bring armed and how it makes one safer is just a load of silly waving by immature man-boys who'd not have the balls to take the required action or deal with the psychological consequences of killing, or trying to kill, another human.
There's good reasons why most soldiers in active service never discharge their weapon at an enemy target and why intense conditioning is carried out on soldiers to get even those few to do so.
There's good reasons why police officers get psychological counselling after they kill somebody and why they are supposed to get annual training/conditioning to enable them to perform, at some level, that part of the job requiring the use of a firearm.
Even if you bunch of scared willy wavers were all armed, all of you except the already mentally ill, would be incapable of using them as you fantasise.
You’re full of it when speaking about the military. You’ve not been in the service, you have no training, nor have you been faced with kill or be killed.
Hmm... When you don't know stuff you fall back on making unsupported claims of fantasy as fact, you have that pattern, it is what you do.
Tell me something, what do you think basic training in the military is for? Tell us about how it is NOT conditioning. Perhaps, in your considered reply you might want to refer to how training is actually carried out and demonstrate how what is going on is not conditioning in order to be able to shoot. You might also tell us about how PTSD is NOT a 'thing', about how mental illness among US servicemen on active duty (and more often upon their discharge) is not a thing. Tell us about how police are NOT given counseling after they have been involved in shooting cases.
The simple fact is that most, normal, people simply can not take another person's life, not for any reason. To kill requires a whole heap of conditioning. Here's another thing, if one defends from fear, tell me how, as an experienced gun user, about how fear leads to poor reaction times, unsteadiness of hand, and poor decision making.
Unlike some, I have no need to piss on an electric fence to know that doing so is painful. I and some others are able to learn from the knowledge of experts. It is useful in the civilised world to be able to learn. Here's one of your countrymen, a man with first-hand practical knowledge, backed by training on the topic of killing: https://www.waldorflibrary.org/images/stories/Journal_Articles/RB6201.pdf Don't worry, there's plenty more knowledge to be had. I will take their knowledge over the fantasies of frightened man-boys. I chose this piece because it is easy to read.
Here's another, easy to read piece with some helpful links for your own learning: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/why-soldiers-get-a-kick-out-of-killing/
No doubt some of what you say is true. But, you made my point for me when you brought up PTSD. You are simply confirming what I said, that folks will take a life when they believe the cause is just or when they feel their own lives are in danger. Yes, later they may have regrets and second guessing that requires counseling or other treatments. But, in the heat of battle they did exactly what I asserted they would. They rose to the threat of battle and used lethal force. The issue of whether they can take a life, vs whether they will later have regrets is immaterial to my statement that they will defend themselves.
As to the fence, well no one really knows how much pain they will feel. You can guess based on other's descriptions, but each human is different and I think all confederate is saying is, folks who speak from total authority while never having the actual experience are really just making an educated guess. I agree with you, using other folks experience to make sound decisions is smart. But ultimately only a combat veteran knows the true emotions and realities of combat. I thank God every day, I was not called to Vietnam. But, man do I respect combat veterans from all nations who stepped up for their country.
Back on topic, what is your solution to violent attacks? I posted several links showing they do happen in other countries with strict gun contol. And, they happen in the USA in states with strict gun control. So, is your idea full confiscation? I am happy to discuss this as long as we avoid the name calling.
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Having a gun and using it to defend or protect others is very common these days.
https://www.google.com/amp/abc13.com/amp/mom-daughter-duo-shoot-would-be-robber-in-their-liquor-store/3135103/
I doubt if this Mother-Daughter combo will have PTSD. They’re going to sleep with big smiles on their faces. :)
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Big surprise here. Time to bring back the Monroe Doctrine before Venezuela descends into genocide.
As protests and unrest increase in Venezuela, Maduro has created a landscape where civilians are disarmed but his supporters are not.
https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/venezuela-confiscates-guns-arms-socialist-regime/
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Big surprise here. Time to bring back the Monroe Doctrine before Venezuela descends into genocide.
Oh that's just what we need - yet ANOTHER foreign war.
Take the money we'd spend on military intervention and
build the frickin' wall to keep 'em out when they eventually
start their northward travels.
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The simple fact is that most, normal, people simply can not take another person's life, not for any reason. To kill requires a whole heap of conditioning. Here's another thing, if one defends from fear, tell me how, as an experienced gun user, about how fear leads to poor reaction times, unsteadiness of hand, and poor decision making.
I'm with ya on that premise FiFi.
However wouldn't you agree that from the universe of American teachers, those that have served in the military would be more likely to possess a greater degree of that conditioning, better reaction time under strenuous circumstances and a familiarity with firearms than your average teacher?
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Big surprise here. Time to bring back the Monroe Doctrine before Venezuela descends into genocide.
Oh that's just what we need - yet ANOTHER foreign war.
Take the money we'd spend on military intervention and
build the frickin' wall to keep 'em out when they eventually
start their northward travels.
Do that but also liberate Venezuela from their Marxist regime. Install a government favorable to the West which first must give us a military seaport, an airbase and 100 years of super cheap oil to pay for our services. Meanwhile pull out of the Middle East. South America has much greener pastures. :coffeeread:
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Ah, when someone quotes cornfed- I see how well-travelled he is ...
Here ‘ya go Mohabism. Shop ahead.
https://www.mountainside-medical.com/products/sexual-assault-evidence-rape-kit-sak-4-kits-case
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https://www.facebook.com/TheFederalistPapers/photos/a.673409832697256.1073741825.107705785934333/1786202364751325/?type=3 (https://www.facebook.com/TheFederalistPapers/photos/a.673409832697256.1073741825.107705785934333/1786202364751325/?type=3)
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It’s happening!
250 Teachers Sign Up for 50 Seats at Concealed Carry Training Session
https://www.google.com/amp/www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/20/250-teachers-sign-50-seats-concealed-carry-training-session/amp/
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Another one that makes little sense. D Trump isn't planning on giving teachers anything illegal. He is planning on giving them a legal option to defend themselves. Sometimes when i see memes like this, it makes me wonder if the anti gunners even really believe their own platform. Do you have any, and I mean any, factual example where arming teachers resulted in more tragedy instead of less? My understanding is Israel for sure, and many private institutions in America have armed teachers or at least armed dedicated security personnel on staff. Do you have even one example where this has caused or added to a problem?
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Another one that makes little sense. D Trump isn't planning on giving teachers anything illegal. He is planning on giving them a legal option to defend themselves. Sometimes when i see memes like this, it makes me wonder if the anti gunners even really believe their own platform. Do you have any, and I mean any, factual example where arming teachers resulted in more tragedy instead of less? My understanding is Israel for sure, and many private institutions in America have armed teachers or at least armed dedicated security personnel on staff. Do you have even one example where this has caused or added to a problem?
It’s an analogy.
It means arming teachers is a fooking stupid idea.
Can you not take a step back and think what a shite state of affairs this is?
It beggars belief - really, most of the world has gun control and minimal killings, USA doesn’t and has a freaking lot, and the answer is arm more people?
Madness, utter madness...
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Another one that makes little sense. D Trump isn't planning on giving teachers anything illegal. He is planning on giving them a legal option to defend themselves. Sometimes when i see memes like this, it makes me wonder if the anti gunners even really believe their own platform. Do you have any, and I mean any, factual example where arming teachers resulted in more tragedy instead of less? My understanding is Israel for sure, and many private institutions in America have armed teachers or at least armed dedicated security personnel on staff. Do you have even one example where this has caused or added to a problem?
I’m beginning to think that Ste has some sort of drug addiction.
Many private schools already have teachers who are concealed carrying. A friend sends his two young boys to just such a school.
This has been a done deal for decades. Since 9/11 Pilots have been armed.
Israel has had armed security since the early 1970’s. There were two attempts since and both assailants shot dead.
Perhaps when terrorists in the U.K. pull off a Paris style attack at a school in the U.K. the loony lemmings there will wake up smell coffee. :coffeeread:
https://twitter.com/PolToons/status/968187722979520512?s=20
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It’s an analogy.
It means arming teachers is a fooking stupid idea.
Can you not take a step back and think what a shite state of affairs this is?
It beggars belief - really, most of the world has gun control and minimal killings, USA doesn’t and has a freaking lot, and the answer is arm more people?
Madness, utter madness...
No it's bad logic.
How do mass shootings start? Somebody with a gun starts shooting
people without guns. How do all mass shooting end? Somebody or
somebodies with guns show up to end it. Mass shootings are caused
because somebody has a gun and the others don't.
How many armed robberies are there at gun shows? How many guns
stores are robbed during business hours? The answer is NONE because
they have guns.
There are 100 million gun owners in the USA. 99.97% of them never
committed a gun crime. There will be ZERO laws passed in the USA
that 100 million voters oppose.
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Another one that makes little sense. D Trump isn't planning on giving teachers anything illegal. He is planning on giving them a legal option to defend themselves. Sometimes when i see memes like this, it makes me wonder if the anti gunners even really believe their own platform. Do you have any, and I mean any, factual example where arming teachers resulted in more tragedy instead of less? My understanding is Israel for sure, and many private institutions in America have armed teachers or at least armed dedicated security personnel on staff. Do you have even one example where this has caused or added to a problem?
It’s an analogy.
It means arming teachers is a fooking stupid idea.
Can you not take a step back and think what a shite state of affairs this is?
It beggars belief - really, most of the world has gun control and minimal killings, USA doesn’t and has a freaking lot, and the answer is arm more people?
Madness, utter madness...
Calm down my friend. I asked a question that to me makes perfect sense. Can you name one instance where armed teachers or armed security staff has added to or in any way compounded a problem?
As to your contention it only happens in America, this is simply not true. And, since the rest of the world suffers many more terrorist attacks, it seems the guns of America may protect from one type of massacre as much or more than they contribute to another?
I still maintain, not one child has died from any contribution by an armed teacher. Anti gunners always say, "if one life can be saved", until you speak of armed teachers. Then suddenly the one life argument is abandoned. But i say, more than one life will be saved when we make schools hard targets instead of soft ones.
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:) tiphat
https://ilovemyfreedom.org/new-song-big-don-going-viral-right-reasons/
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You know Ste you are REALLY STUPID!
Politics can only deal with possible options. UK levels of "gun control" will NEVER happen in the USA. It is an utterly pointless viewpoint...
ALL the private schools in my area pay the Jandarma for security services These guys are in body armor and packing sub machine guns. There is a simple rule of engagement - you fire at the Jandarma and you end up in a body bag. No questions. No stupid law suits. We have over 3 million Syrians and Iraqi migrants and maybe 10% are extremists. This morning there was an incident. It took the Jandarma about 3 hours to "neutralize" the extremists.
Remember the incident in Tunisia where ISIS gunmen shot many tourists on the beach and around the hotel pool? In Turkey the response was immediate. Beach security was replaced by the Jandarma. There has never been an incident like this in Turkey...
Schools as "gun free zones" works when virtually no one has weapons. When guns are common place, it is asinine stupidity...
If security services prove themselves to be cowards - fire them. No pension. Only hire people who are prepared to do their duty. Institute better weapons training, on automatic weapons if necessary.
Personally I think Trump has come up with some good ideas:-
Outlaw bump stops, though most semi automatic weapons can be converted to full automatic given a couple of hours in a machine shop.
Raise the legal age for owning semi automatic rifles to 21. Young people can still purchase shotguns and bolt actions rifles at 18 - enough for hunting. Personally, I was given my first shotgun on my 13th Birthday so I am not sure on this idea.
Improve and tighten up the background check process. It will never be perfect but it will stop more "unfit" people from buying weapons.
Improve school security. Armed personnel must be adequately trained and able to do the job. Trump will leave these measures to State legislatures.
These ideas will be difficult to implement but are in the realms of the possible. It will be interesting to see whether the liberals merely grandstand or whether they will cooperate in passing some of these measures.
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It’s an analogy.
It means arming teachers is a fooking stupid idea.
Can you not take a step back and think what a shite state of affairs this is?
It beggars belief - really, most of the world has gun control and minimal killings, USA doesn’t and has a freaking lot, and the answer is arm more people?
Madness, utter madness...
No it's bad logic.
How do mass shootings start? Somebody with a gun starts shooting
people without guns. How do all mass shooting end? Somebody or
somebodies with guns show up to end it. Mass shootings are caused
because somebody has a gun and the others don't.
How many armed robberies are there at gun shows? How many guns
stores are robbed during business hours? The answer is NONE because
they have guns.
There are 100 million gun owners in the USA. 99.97% of them never
committed a gun crime. There will be ZERO laws passed in the USA
that 100 million voters oppose.
Well said Bill! Come back and post more often!
https://www.facebook.com/colddeadhands/photos/a.307409332641284.68774.307188559330028/1651163748265829/?type=3
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Outlaw bump stops, though most semi automatic weapons can be converted to full automatic given a couple of hours in a machine shop.
As a guy who had some "hands on" ordnance training the in the USMC, I'd guess it wouldn't even take a couple of hours.
The thing that makes an AR-15 a semi-auto weapon is a device that is called a sear. Once the trigger is depressed the weapon fires and on recoil, the the bolt is caught by the sear and holds it back until the trigger is pressed again. Military M-16's can manually disengage the sear with a switch on the side of the weapon. Such an option on an AR-15 would make the weapon illegal but you can easily purchase a kit on the internet to make this change in the weapon if you want to violate the federal automatic laws on the books. An easier way to break the law would be by using a small metal file, you can file off the catch on the sear in about 15 minutes and the weapon is permanently transformed from semi-auto to auto.
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This is a new wrinkle. Two teachers at the school say there was a 2nd shooter. One of the teachers describes a man in full body armor with a helmet to hide his face as shooting at her down a long hallway and grazing her. A false flag operation? It’s hard to believe that not just one but 4 total deputies did not enter the school and engage. Because they were instructed not to by the #DeepState?
https://truepundit.com/video-hero-teacher-school-massacre-said-shooter-dressed like-cop-full-swat-tactical-gear/
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How do mass shootings start? Somebody with a gun starts shooting
people without guns. How do all mass shooting end? Somebody or
somebodies with guns show up to end it. Mass shootings are caused
because somebody has a gun and the others don't.
How do mass school shooting start?
Without guns: Start by killing school children.
With guns: Take out the guards first, by surprise. They will be completely caught by surprise as they don't expect a teenager coming in Armed and ready to shoot. Unless of course, someone tips em off before hand.
After that, scenario without guns.
How many armed robberies are there at gun shows? How many guns
stores are robbed during business hours? The answer is NONE because
they have guns.
Uhh, need I quote hundreds and hundreds of news paper articles proving you wrong and armed robberies?
For god sakes, even movies like pulp fiction have this shit on film
There are 100 million gun owners in the USA. 99.97% of them never
committed a gun crime. There will be ZERO laws passed in the USA
that 100 million voters oppose.
I don't need 100 million gun owners, all you need is 1 :censored: ed up teenager and voila, more dead children.
Gun laws aren't meant for the Criminals, they are meant from insane people not going about killing people.
There are also other advantages:
- Police can be much more relaxed when apprehending suspects, as 90% of them WONT be armed anymore
Ever seen Dutch police stop criminals? Most of the time they simply walk up to them and cuff em, without even readying their weapon.
And thats just one example.
Mark.
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Many private schools already have teachers who are concealed carrying. A friend sends his two young boys to just such a school.
Curious which private schools?
Any percentages and what sort of schools?
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Many private schools already have teachers who are concealed carrying. A friend sends his two young boys to just such a school.
Curious which private schools?
Any percentages and what sort of schools?
It would be inappropriate for me to give the name and location of the school; sorry.
I believe most private Christian Academy’s prefer such information is kept confidential.
If you wanted to do an informal poll you could visit a few private schools say in Texas.
As they don’t know you from Adam you could be stonewalled.
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Many private schools already have teachers who are concealed carrying. A friend sends his two young boys to just such a school.
Curious which private schools?
Any percentages and what sort of schools?
It would be inappropriate for me to give the name and location of the school; sorry.
I believe most private Christian Academy’s prefer such information is kept confidential.
If you wanted to do an informal poll you could visit a few private schools say in Texas.
As they don’t know you from Adam you could be stonewalled.
So you can not back up your BS, why I am not surprised.
For what it is worth I am aware of seven private schools - there are no weapons on school grounds. One though has an active marksmanship (22 caliber) program and another has use of a range, the sport is gaining in popularity.
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Many private schools already have teachers who are concealed carrying. A friend sends his two young boys to just such a school.
Curious which private schools?
Any percentages and what sort of schools?
It would be inappropriate for me to give the name and location of the school; sorry.
I believe most private Christian Academy’s prefer such information is kept confidential.
If you wanted to do an informal poll you could visit a few private schools say in Texas.
As they don’t know you from Adam you could be stonewalled.
What's that smell? Bullshiit isn't it?
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This is a new wrinkle. Two teachers at the school say there was a 2nd shooter. One of the teachers describes a man in full body armor with a helmet to hide his face as shooting at her down a long hallway and grazing her. A false flag operation? It’s hard to believe that not just one but 4 total deputies did not enter the school and engage. Because they were instructed not to by the #DeepState?
https://truepundit.com/video-hero-teacher-school-massacre-said-shooter-dressed like-cop-full-swat-tactical-gear/
FFS!!!
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Many private schools already have teachers who are concealed carrying. A friend sends his two young boys to just such a school.
Curious which private schools?
Any percentages and what sort of schools?
It would be inappropriate for me to give the name and location of the school; sorry.
I believe most private Christian Academy’s prefer such information is kept confidential.
If you wanted to do an informal poll you could visit a few private schools say in Texas.
As they don’t know you from Adam you could be stonewalled.
So you can not back up your BS, why I am not surprised.
For what it is worth I am aware of seven private schools - there are no weapons on school grounds. One though has an active marksmanship (22 caliber) program and another has use of a range, the sport is gaining in popularity.
Oh so I should put my friends kids at risk for some busybody internet Troll? Grow up.
Furthermore next time come up from head in sand to do your own research. LAZY.
(Many ppl at private schools don’t ask govt. permission to utilize 2nd amendment RIGHTS already written in stone)
In about two dozen states, including California, schools can allow staff to carry guns on campus, although some require concealed-carry licenses, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.
link below; for obtuse lazy basterds.
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Many private schools already have teachers who are concealed carrying. A friend sends his two young boys to just such a school.
Curious which private schools?
Any percentages and what sort of schools?
It would be inappropriate for me to give the name and location of the school; sorry.
I believe most private Christian Academy’s prefer such information is kept confidential.
If you wanted to do an informal poll you could visit a few private schools say in Texas.
As they don’t know you from Adam you could be stonewalled.
What's that smell? Bullshiit isn't it?
Here ‘ya go sh!t for brains. Any more stupid Q’s google is your friend.
A sign outside campus warns: "Please be aware that the staff at Argyle [Independent School District] are armed and may use whatever force is necessary to protect our students."
https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-texas-school-armed-20180222-story.html%3foutputType=amp
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Ste, I am not certain about the smell of Bull Shit, you need to ask the resident expert is this department. But what it is worth Texas is, the black hole of ignorance.
After W. Bush left CT the combined IQ of the State of Texas has declined.
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Hmmm, so arming teachers isn't a new idea then... not a Trump original. I found this article from April/2016, during the Obama years. And... the school isn't even in Texas! Guess Californy IQ's must be pretty low too! :laugh:
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/California-High-School-Will-Let-Staff-Carry-Guns-on-Campus-375634311.html
So why all the drama now over something that has been implemented in other schools already?
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Hmmm, so arming teachers isn't a new idea then... not a Trump original. I found this article from April/2016, during the Obama years. And... the school isn't even in Texas! Guess Californy IQ's must be pretty low too! :laugh:
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/California-High-School-Will-Let-Staff-Carry-Guns-on-Campus-375634311.html
So why all the drama now over something that has been implemented in other schools already?
It’s that time of month for a couple of U.K. posters. :chuckle:
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I am no longer a member due to their aggressive fund raising, but I sure get tired of folks who say the NRA wants to kill kids, that AR-15 owners dont care about kid's lives, and that some how folks who own an AR-15 are compensating for some supposed inadequacy.
AR-15 rifles do have valid uses, but aside from that, I have a friend who is married with no children, but has a house with five bedrooms. He doesn't need it, but he wants it. I also know a guy with a corvette, and a lot of pot smokers who dont have glaucoma. It appears most folks want what they want, but expect me to justify what I want or give it up. I dont get that.
If you are an anti gunner, I understand and support your right to never own a gun. But I dont understand why you insist your opinion should countermand mine? I dont want innocent folks to die, but I also dont want my rights stripped in a futile attempt to rid the world of crime. Crime has been here since the dawn of man. It has been here from the days when we killed with rocks, through the days of nuclear missiles. Mankind is basically a creature fueled by rage and greed. Killing will always be a sad part of human culture. Banning tools will not fix that,
+1 :thumbsup:
Human beings have been killing each other for thousands of years and the tradition will continue until every person on earth thinks exactly the same way or until every person on earth is dead (and for the record, I think the latter option is much more likely).
Seems like arrows, swords, and cannons did not provide enough of a "kill ratio" during battles. So you needed something that can take down the enemy in larger numbers and from farther distances. The use of guns appeared at about the end of the Medieval period. During the age of the Renaissance and Enlightenment. You planted the seeds of your own destruction. How ironic. :GRAVE:
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Looks like the wild-wild-west mentality is returning, just shoot mo'fo out there and sherrifs are just convenient -if- they are around.
The would-be mass shooters are all laughing at both sides. :laugh: You will not likely stop them unless you make being evil "illegal", but tons have ignored those laws. Just the other week, an estranged dude used a shot gun to kill a cop. The dude had restraining orders and orders to dispose of his firearms. So you think he is going to follow the laws? No way. Where there is a will, there is a way.
They should change the school system into military schools. Every student (even the toddlers) gets training in firearms and come fully loaded into the classroom. Then when there are disagreements, they go out to the playground and have a "show down" there. The ones that don't make it are deposited into a coffin propped up at the school. Just like what was done when outlaws got gunned down out in the Wild West. Ahh.. the good old days. (:)
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The Hundred Years’ War saw some major developments in military strategy and technology. Indeed, some historians have argued that these changes amount to a ‘military revolution’.
Among such developments, the evolution of gunpowder weaponry was particularly significant. That evolutionary process was, however, a slow one. At Agincourt, for example, it appears that French artillery accounted for a solitary English archer during the battle, and in 1431 Philip the Good, duke of Burgundy, fired 412 cannonballs into the town of Lagny and succeeded only in killing a chicken.
:ROFL:
In some cases, as at Bourg in 1451, the mere presence of guns was sufficient to bring about an immediate surrender.
This was also the case at Castillon in 1453 (a decisive French victory), the final engagement of the Hundred Years’ War. This was, undoubtedly, determined by artillery, and, as a consequence, the battle marks a deeply significant point in the history of European warfare.
The French guns obliterated the advancing soldiers. It is reported each shot killed six men at a time.
http://www.historyextra.com/period/medieval/7-facts-about-the-hundred-years-war/
It took firearms to end the Hundred Years War. Now firearms start wars. No more dilly dilly. :chuckle: (:)
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Firearms do NOT start wars. How do you guys get such silly ideas into your poor little heads?
People start wars, your 'leaders' start wars. Unless you people grasp that fact the next one started in your name, by those for whom you voted, will likely, and most unusually, end up coming to your homes, your hamlets, towns and cities.
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Firearms do NOT start wars. How do you guys get such silly ideas into your poor little heads?
People start wars, your 'leaders' start wars. Unless you people grasp that fact the next one started in your name, by those for whom you voted, will likely, and most unusually, end up coming to your homes, your hamlets, towns and cities.
Good to know! Glad to hear that you’re finally engaging your brain and using logic.
We can now easily see that firearms do not kill; people do. A logical conclusion.
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Firearms do NOT start wars. How do you guys get such silly ideas into your poor little heads?
People start wars, your 'leaders' start wars. Unless you people grasp that fact the next one started in your name, by those for whom you voted, will likely, and most unusually, end up coming to your homes, your hamlets, towns and cities.
This forum is much nicer than the last one i debated firearms on. Your post proves at least here we all agree people are the cause of violence. While we may have differing views of how to combat these actions, it is nice to see we do agree the guns are just tools.
I wish I was smart enough to understand why people engage in mass killing. I think if we did understand the motives, we may be able to more accurately predict the events before they start.
In an earlier post i mentioned things I felt would reduce these school mass shootings. I believe swift and sure capital punishment along with virtually zero media glorification of killers would reduce school shootings greatly. I believe these deranged kids have some form of kardashian syndrome. Do you agree with that or feel I am off base? If you disagree, what do you think the cause is for these kids to kill? I understand they are mentally ill, but millions of mentally ill never kill.
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You don't always have to shoot.
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Firearms do NOT start wars. How do you guys get such silly ideas into your poor little heads?
People start wars, your 'leaders' start wars. Unless you people grasp that fact the next one started in your name, by those for whom you voted, will likely, and most unusually, end up coming to your homes, your hamlets, towns and cities.
This forum is much nicer than the last one i debated firearms on. Your post proves at least here we all agree people are the cause of violence. While we may have differing views of how to combat these actions, it is nice to see we do agree the guns are just tools.
I wish I was smart enough to understand why people engage in mass killing. I think if we did understand the motives, we may be able to more accurately predict the events before they start.
In an earlier post i mentioned things I felt would reduce these school mass shootings. I believe swift and sure capital punishment along with virtually zero media glorification of killers would reduce school shootings greatly. I believe these deranged kids have some form of kardashian syndrome. Do you agree with that or feel I am off base? If you disagree, what do you think the cause is for these kids to kill? I understand they are mentally ill, but millions of mentally ill never kill.
The kids are mentally ill due to a lack of discipline and the lack of a positive male role model.
The “solution” of society today is to hand out SSRI’s like candy. Once a young male is on those they lose impulse control and become (more) prone to violence.
President Trump has stated that it’s got to be easier to detain someone like Cruz. This may include re-opening institutions for mental illness.
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Firearms do NOT start wars. How do you guys get such silly ideas into your poor little heads?
People start wars, your 'leaders' start wars. Unless you people grasp that fact the next one started in your name, by those for whom you voted, will likely, and most unusually, end up coming to your homes, your hamlets, towns and cities.
This forum is much nicer than the last one i debated firearms on. Your post proves at least here we all agree people are the cause of violence. While we may have differing views of how to combat these actions, it is nice to see we do agree the guns are just tools.
I wish I was smart enough to understand why people engage in mass killing. I think if we did understand the motives, we may be able to more accurately predict the events before they start.
In an earlier post i mentioned things I felt would reduce these school mass shootings. I believe swift and sure capital punishment along with virtually zero media glorification of killers would reduce school shootings greatly. I believe these deranged kids have some form of kardashian syndrome. Do you agree with that or feel I am off base? If you disagree, what do you think the cause is for these kids to kill? I understand they are mentally ill, but millions of mentally ill never kill.
The kids are mentally ill due to a lack of discipline and the lack of a positive male role model.
The “solution” of society today is to hand out SSRI’s like candy. Once a young male is on those they lose impulse control and become (more) prone to violence.
President Trump has stated that it’s got to be easier to detain someone like Cruz. This may include re-opening institutions for mental illness.
Although it is a political minefield, I agree reopening the public insane asylums and allowing the state to commit the mentally unstable is a viable option. The problem is how to keep the abuse out of the system? Many a sane political dissident has been institutionalized under the guise of self protection. But we need to get the mentally disturbed off the streets and out of society. I realize it may not be their fault they are mentally ill. But, it isn't the school kids or workplace coworker's fault either.
Since the liberal mindset has become so common in America, everyone wants to protect the defective individual more than the productive masses. This needs to change back. The greater good often is really greater.
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Firearms do NOT start wars. How do you guys get such silly ideas into your poor little heads?
People start wars, your 'leaders' start wars. Unless you people grasp that fact the next one started in your name, by those for whom you voted, will likely, and most unusually, end up coming to your homes, your hamlets, towns and cities.
This forum is much nicer than the last one i debated firearms on. Your post proves at least here we all agree people are the cause of violence. While we may have differing views of how to combat these actions, it is nice to see we do agree the guns are just tools.
I wish I was smart enough to understand why people engage in mass killing. I think if we did understand the motives, we may be able to more accurately predict the events before they start.
In an earlier post i mentioned things I felt would reduce these school mass shootings. I believe swift and sure capital punishment along with virtually zero media glorification of killers would reduce school shootings greatly. I believe these deranged kids have some form of kardashian syndrome. Do you agree with that or feel I am off base? If you disagree, what do you think the cause is for these kids to kill? I understand they are mentally ill, but millions of mentally ill never kill.
The kids are mentally ill due to a lack of discipline and the lack of a positive male role model.
The “solution” of society today is to hand out SSRI’s like candy. Once a young male is on those they lose impulse control and become (more) prone to violence.
President Trump has stated that it’s got to be easier to detain someone like Cruz. This may include re-opening institutions for mental illness.
Although it is a political minefield, I agree reopening the public insane asylums and allowing the state to commit the mentally unstable is a viable option. The problem is how to keep the abuse out of the system? Many a sane political dissident has been institutionalized under the guise of self protection. But we need to get the mentally disturbed off the streets and out of society. I realize it may not be their fault they are mentally ill. But, it isn't the school kids or workplace coworker's fault either.
Since the liberal mindset has become so common in America, everyone wants to protect the defective individual more than the productive masses. This needs to change back. The greater good often is really greater.
Those are good points above. :thumbsup:
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Let's arm the teachers. Good plan...
www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43217142
A Georgia teacher who barricaded himself in his classroom and fired a handgun is in police custody.
Jesse Randall Davidson, 53, locked his students in the hallway and fired a shot when the principal opened the door, according to US media reports.
No students were hurt by the alleged gunfire but one sprained her ankle.
The incident came two weeks after 17 were killed at a Florida high school and President Trump called for teachers to be armed to tackle mass shooters.
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Let's arm the teachers. Good plan...
www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43217142
A Georgia teacher who barricaded himself in his classroom and fired a handgun is in police custody.
Jesse Randall Davidson, 53, locked his students in the hallway and fired a shot when the principal opened the door, according to US media reports.
No students were hurt by the alleged gunfire but one sprained her ankle.
The incident came two weeks after 17 were killed at a Florida high school and President Trump called for teachers to be armed to tackle mass shooters.
Not to be too foil hattish, but this sounds like a liberal democrat trying to make some point. I will be interested to see if they put out much info on this guy. I bet he is long time liberal, long time anti gunner, recent gun buyer and trying to sabotage the President's attempts. We will see.
Almost every time college students found "hate speech graffiti" it turned out the liberal whack jobs did it themselves, "to illustrate a point" and i bet this may be more of the same?
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I need to reedit my statement. Firearms are used to start wars as opposed to an inanimate object starting wars. People on this forum takes things too literally. :chuckle:
We can now easily see that firearms do not kill; people do.
Not exactly. People can kill without firearms. They have used swords, arrows, knives, ice picks, chain saws, poisons, rocks, etc., and of course, bare hands. :fighting0025:
The “solution” of society today is to hand out SSRI’s like candy.
Like the opioid epidemic, big pharma needs customers. They need users or their stock prices will plummet and biotechnology initiatives will not get funded. :king:
I wish I was smart enough to understand why people engage in mass killing.
In the case of the Columbine shooting, videos recorded by Harris and Klebold before the massacre, shows their anger at their life and current condition. In the videos, they stated that they wanted to kill everyone (yes, that includes YOU). >:( :censored: They were sick of the <expletive deleted> world. There were suggestions that they were bullied in school, but this was never confirmed. So were they insane? I think they had an attitude problem. An attitude issue is not necessarily tied to insanity or mental health issues.
I believe swift and sure capital punishment along with virtually zero media glorification of killers would reduce school shootings greatly.
One thing that appears to be shared with recent mass shootings, is the perpetrator's desire to "one up" the body count of previous mass shooters. As with the Olympics World records, you want to become the "top man on the totem pole" in notoriety.
I understand they are mentally ill, but millions of mentally ill never kill.
I think mental illness is being used as a "scapegoat".
But we need to get the mentally disturbed off the streets and out of society.
Many local governments cannot house those with mental issues and often just release them back to society. That is why you see homeless people sleeping on the streets. Maybe they need to bring back shock therapy? :o :scared0005:
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Today Dicks sporting goods and Wal-Mart have decided to take matters into their own hands.
Dicks will no longer sell assault style weapons and raise the age to purchase to 21.
Wal-Mart also is upping the age to 21 for gun and ammo purchase.
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Today Dicks sporting goods and Wal-Mart have decided to take matters into their own hands.
Dicks will no longer sell assault style weapons and raise the age to purchase to 21.
Wal-Mart also is upping the age to 21 for gun and ammo purchase.
Who the hell buys guns at walmart? That's premium red-neck America right there. "Yeah, gotta grab me some eggs, sweet tea, cheap plastic coat hangers and an extra rifle." :laugh:
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Spare a thought for this guy quite local to me. A gun collector, previous licence holder (in the more lax 80s) and general gun enthusiast who stockpiled a machine gun, other guns and some ammo in his loft. There is no suggestion he was a crazy guy and the cops said his machine gun was never fired. He lived with his grown up kids. He shot nobody but got NINE YEARS in jail despite being mentally stable and holding one job for almost 40 years.
He got caught because customs found one gun component he imported from the US, they passed it onto the cops, they checked his house - now he is in jail.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/christpher-cook-weapons-rifle-hyde-14346438
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Today Dicks sporting goods and Wal-Mart have decided to take matters into their own hands.
Dicks will no longer sell assault style weapons and raise the age to purchase to 21.
Wal-Mart also is upping the age to 21 for gun and ammo purchase.
Who the hell buys guns at walmart? That's premium red-neck America right there. "Yeah, gotta grab me some eggs, sweet tea, cheap plastic coat hangers and an extra rifle." :laugh:
We need a "like" button. :thumbsup:
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Spare a thought for this guy quite local to me. A gun collector, previous licence holder (in the more lax 80s) and general gun enthusiast who stockpiled a machine gun, other guns and some ammo in his loft. There is no suggestion he was a crazy guy and the cops said his machine gun was never fired. He lived with his grown up kids. He shot nobody but got NINE YEARS in jail despite being mentally stable and holding one job for almost 40 years.
He got caught because customs found one gun component he imported from the US, they passed it onto the cops, they checked his house - now he is in jail.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/christpher-cook-weapons-rifle-hyde-14346438
My main thought is that it’s outrageous! Where is the crime? A technicality it seems. Give him a small fine but no jail time.
My other thought is that your Grandparents fought in a world war against a totalitarian regime, only to have many of your own liberties stripped away a few decades later.
In another thread I posted of a Muslim male who raped a 13 year old. He got zero prison time.
One a victimless crime but the state must show their absolute power and extract “justice”.
The other a crime with a victim and the perp gets probation.
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Today Dicks sporting goods and Wal-Mart have decided to take matters into their own hands.
Dicks will no longer sell assault style weapons and raise the age to purchase to 21.
Wal-Mart also is upping the age to 21 for gun and ammo purchase.
Who the hell buys guns at walmart? That's premium red-neck America right there. "Yeah, gotta grab me some eggs, sweet tea, cheap plastic coat hangers and an extra rifle." :laugh:
tiphat :laugh:
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Let's arm the teachers. Good plan...
www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43217142
A Georgia teacher who barricaded himself in his classroom and fired a handgun is in police custody.
Jesse Randall Davidson, 53, locked his students in the hallway and fired a shot when the principal opened the door, according to US media reports.
No students were hurt by the alleged gunfire but one sprained her ankle.
The incident came two weeks after 17 were killed at a Florida high school and President Trump called for teachers to be armed to tackle mass shooters.
Not to be too foil hattish, but this sounds like a liberal democrat trying to make some point. I will be interested to see if they put out much info on this guy. I bet he is long time liberal, long time anti gunner, recent gun buyer and trying to sabotage the President's attempts. We will see.
Almost every time college students found "hate speech graffiti" it turned out the liberal whack jobs did it themselves, "to illustrate a point" and i bet this may be more of the same?
Definitely a liberal throwing a temper tantrum! Part of the “resistance”. :chuckle:
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Spare a thought for this guy quite local to me. A gun collector, previous licence holder (in the more lax 80s) and general gun enthusiast who stockpiled a machine gun, other guns and some ammo in his loft. There is no suggestion he was a crazy guy and the cops said his machine gun was never fired. He lived with his grown up kids. He shot nobody but got NINE YEARS in jail despite being mentally stable and holding one job for almost 40 years.
He got caught because customs found one gun component he imported from the US, they passed it onto the cops, they checked his house - now he is in jail.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/christpher-cook-weapons-rifle-hyde-14346438
I don't know much about British law, so I wont comment on anything except to say the sentence seems pretty stiff. Here I recently read about a murderer who took a plea deal and got 8-15 years. He is eligible for parole in 5 years! That seems way too light. The sentencing by the courts seems to often be out of proportion to the crimes. And it seems not just in the USA.
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Spare a thought for this guy quite local to me. A gun collector, previous licence holder (in the more lax 80s) and general gun enthusiast who stockpiled a machine gun, other guns and some ammo in his loft. There is no suggestion he was a crazy guy and the cops said his machine gun was never fired. He lived with his grown up kids. He shot nobody but got NINE YEARS in jail despite being mentally stable and holding one job for almost 40 years.
He got caught because customs found one gun component he imported from the US, they passed it onto the cops, they checked his house - now he is in jail.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/christpher-cook-weapons-rifle-hyde-14346438
Ah yes, the famous lefty-justice system. Not better in NL either. You are a convicted criminal with no hope of ever becoming something else? A slap on the wrist, a fine maybe. You are somewhat eccentric but did break the law? Slap on the bracelets and away you go!
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Spare a thought for this guy quite local to me. A gun collector, previous licence holder (in the more lax 80s) and general gun enthusiast who stockpiled a machine gun, other guns and some ammo in his loft. There is no suggestion he was a crazy guy and the cops said his machine gun was never fired. He lived with his grown up kids. He shot nobody but got NINE YEARS in jail despite being mentally stable and holding one job for almost 40 years.
He got caught because customs found one gun component he imported from the US, they passed it onto the cops, they checked his house - now he is in jail.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/christpher-cook-weapons-rifle-hyde-14346438
That penalty does seem unusually harsh (especially considering that no 'real' crime was committed). I do believe we need to tighten our nets here in the States, but some other countries need to relax a bit just the same.
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Spare a thought for this guy quite local to me.
Why?
FFS he kept some seriously illegal shit in his loft ... even if HE never used it - some other might have
He'll be out in three
Our US cousins might 'get' why being overly tooled up in the UK means serious shit loss of liberty
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“I’ll look in to those scared little britches eyes before I kill them...now I’ll have followers because I’m so awesome,” he said.
It’s going to be fun......They say school shootings are horrible but they don’t think like us like me Eric and Dylan....” he wrote.
Simons also said the shooting would be “bigger than anything this country’s ever seen.”
“I will never be forgotten I’ll be a stain in American history...it’s going to be so much fun,” he wrote.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/teen-committed-suicide-school-bathroom-planned-massacre-article-1.3849611
Here we go again. :'(
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Delta Airlines gets punished for boycotting the NRA.
”Corporations cannot attack conservatives and expect us not to fight back,” he tweeted.
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/georgia-senate-to-vote-on-tax-bill-delta-benefit-dropped/
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Delta Airlines gets punished for boycotting the NRA.
”Corporations cannot attack conservatives and expect us not to fight back,” he tweeted.
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/georgia-senate-to-vote-on-tax-bill-delta-benefit-dropped/
Personally, I think this is a HORRIBLE idea.
Republicans are supposed to be the party of LOWER taxes and LESS government interference and regulations in business affairs. I'm all for individuals electing to boycott a business for political reasons, but for a governmental legislative body to withhold a legitimate tax break because of their own corporate governance decisions crosses WAY over the line.
Delta is only removing a discount. They're not INCREASING the usual fares for NRA members. Only 13 people used the discount last year for christ sake. What is Georgia going to do when Delta decides to move their "hub" from Atlanta to Cincinnati?
Personally I choose not to buy cars made by GM and Chrysler because of the "Obama Motors" fiasco and I will probably not choose to fly Delta if there are any reasonable alternatives because of their ridiculous stand on the NRA. Having individual consumers make the decision of how and why to spend their own money - THAT is the way it should be handled. It is definitely effective when "people vote with their wallets".
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Delta Airlines gets punished for boycotting the NRA.
”Corporations cannot attack conservatives and expect us not to fight back,” he tweeted.
https://www.seattletimes.com/business/georgia-senate-to-vote-on-tax-bill-delta-benefit-dropped/
Personally, I think this is a HORRIBLE idea.
Republicans are supposed to be the party of LOWER taxes and LESS government interference and regulations in business affairs. I'm all for individuals electing to boycott a business for political reasons, but for a governmental legislative body to withhold a legitimate tax break because of their own corporate governance decisions crosses WAY over the line.
Delta is only removing a discount. They're not INCREASING the usual fares for NRA members. Only 13 people used the discount last year for christ sake. What is Georgia going to do when Delta decides to move their "hub" from Atlanta to Cincinnati?
Personally I choose not to buy cars made by GM and Chrysler because of the "Obama Motors" fiasco and I will probably not choose to fly Delta if there are any reasonable alternatives because of their ridiculous stand on the NRA. Having individual consumers make the decision of how and why to spend their own money - THAT is the way it should be handled. It is definitely effective when "people vote with their wallets".
I certainly respect your opinion on this matter and normally would agree.
Lately I think Conservatives need to fight back more like liberals do. Suspect Delta is rethinking their knee-jerk reaction.
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Having individual consumers make the decision of how and why to spend their own money - THAT is the way it should be handled.
I am going to keep flying DL when they are the best airline for me, but I do love it that they're getting BONED for their "Yayy! Look at us being all progressive n'cool n'shit!" They can take their tiresome lecture-y crap and shove up their asses.
I think it's high time that the right pushed back on this type corporate RightThink.
B/B
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'I think ill probably most likely kill around 50 or 60,' Jesse wrote. 'If I get lucky maybe 150.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5462131/If-lucky-maybe-150-S-C-shooter-aimed-kill-dozens.html
"Knowing about a school shooter doesn't cause someone to become a school shooter,"
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-south-carolina-school-shooter-20180303-story.html
Here we go again. Everyone wants to be #1. (:)
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'I think ill probably most likely kill around 50 or 60,' Jesse wrote. 'If I get lucky maybe 150.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5462131/If-lucky-maybe-150-S-C-shooter-aimed-kill-dozens.html
"Knowing about a school shooter doesn't cause someone to become a school shooter,"
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-south-carolina-school-shooter-20180303-story.html
Here we go again. Everyone wants to be #1. (:)
If these psychotic boys could not get hands on firearms, wouldn’t they then try to use a car or knives?
The two teens have much in common. Both, investigators say, tortured animals, obsessed over guns and bragged of their deadly intentions on social media. And in the hours after Cruz's alleged killing spree, as the nation began, once again, to ask why, a group of detectives, prosecutors and psychiatrists were providing answers about Jesse, now 15. He'd detailed his motives in dozens of online messages, in his 46-page confession and in lengthy interviews with doctors who evaluated him, offering extraordinary insight into the mind of an American school shooter.
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:laugh:
https://www.facebook.com/YouAreVeryUgly/photos/a.856227661103902.1073741829.844535222273146/1725899397470053/?type=3
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:coffeeread:
https://www.facebook.com/Education4Libs/photos/a.2036414233301669.1073741829.2035881910021568/2080861565523602/?type=3
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Now we have to arm doctors and nurses too. Next pastors and clergyman. Next pizza delivery drivers. Next mall security guards. And of course, postal workers because you never know when someone will "go postal". (:)
https://www.yahoo.com/news/man-killed-3-veterans-home-154543527.html
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Armed guards at schools work.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/03/20/shooting-reported-maryland-high-school/440981002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/03/20/shooting-reported-maryland-high-school/440981002/)
The security officer did his duty. The shooter is dead and two students are hurt.
The deputy at the Florida school was a coward. He hid in the grounds while the shooter killed 17 students...
The ONLY viable response to a shooter is armed security. Forget the nonsense about schools being "gun free zones"
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Armed guards at schools work.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/03/20/shooting-reported-maryland-high-school/440981002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/03/20/shooting-reported-maryland-high-school/440981002/)
The security officer did his duty. The shooter is dead and two students are hurt.
The deputy at the Florida school was a coward. He hid in the grounds while the shooter killed 17 students...
The ONLY viable response to a shooter is armed security. Forget the nonsense about schools being "gun free zones"
Whereas if they’d had no guns no-one would have been shot and no-one would have been killed.
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Whereas if they’d had no guns no-one would have been shot and no-one would have been killed.
No guns is impossible in USA. So your comment is stupid...
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Whereas if they’d had no guns no-one would have been shot and no-one would have been killed.
No guns is impossible in USA. So your comment is stupid...
Nothing is impossible. It’s called progress.
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Armed guards at schools work.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/03/20/shooting-reported-maryland-high-school/440981002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/03/20/shooting-reported-maryland-high-school/440981002/)
The security officer did his duty. The shooter is dead and two students are hurt.
The deputy at the Florida school was a coward. He hid in the grounds while the shooter killed 17 students...
The ONLY viable response to a shooter is armed security. Forget the nonsense about schools being "gun free zones"
Whereas if they’d had no guns no-one would have been shot and no-one would have been killed.
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And just what is your plan to remove 100,000,000 guns from the street?
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Armed guards at schools work.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/03/20/shooting-reported-maryland-high-school/440981002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/03/20/shooting-reported-maryland-high-school/440981002/)
The security officer did his duty. The shooter is dead and two students are hurt.
The deputy at the Florida school was a coward. He hid in the grounds while the shooter killed 17 students...
The ONLY viable response to a shooter is armed security. Forget the nonsense about schools being "gun free zones"
Whereas if they’d had no guns no-one would have been shot and no-one would have been killed.
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And just what is your plan to remove 100,000,000 guns from the street?
Gun tax?!
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Today in Maryland we saw what I supposed to happen when a well trained and armed security officer is present at a school when a shooter attacks. The whole situation was ended in minutes. Result: two students wounded, shooter dead.
The Prosecution rests your honor . . . . . . . . . . . .
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Whereas if they’d had no guns no-one would have been shot and no-one would have been killed.
Yes, it's a pity that Maryland is such a pro-gun state with little to no restrictions on guns...oh...wait. Never mind.
B/B
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Now it looks like we have a Ted Kaczynski wanna-be in southeast Texas. Pipe bomb exploded in a FedEx distribution center in San Antonio. :duh:
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More WOMD’s in USA than rest of world...
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Now it looks like we have a Ted Kaczynski wanna-be in southeast Texas. Pipe bomb exploded in a FedEx distribution center in San Antonio. :duh:
Another rash of bombings? I wonder what sort of mentally deranged lunatic we're dealing with this time.
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Armed guards at schools work.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/03/20/shooting-reported-maryland-high-school/440981002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/03/20/shooting-reported-maryland-high-school/440981002/)
The security officer did his duty. The shooter is dead and two students are hurt.
The deputy at the Florida school was a coward. He hid in the grounds while the shooter killed 17 students...
The ONLY viable response to a shooter is armed security. Forget the nonsense about schools being "gun free zones"
Whereas if they’d had no guns no-one would have been shot and no-one would have been killed.
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With all due respect, where have gun bans actually got rid of guns? Most third world countries, and many modern countries, have implemented gun bans and gun confiscation. They also have enacted severe penalties for gun owners who did not forfeit their guns as mandated. But yet guns are still there, still available to criminals and commonly in the hands of drug dealers and/or traffickers. Kids or adults can buy illegal drugs in America from street dealers today. And, they will be able to get illegal guns if we ban guns tomorrow. Drug dealers are not picky about who they sell to, or what they sell.
Americans own so many more guns than the citizens in those other countries did. It is reasonable to assume many more guns will survive confiscation in America than in countries that have banned guns already. There is no way confiscation will get anywhere near 100% of the guns currently legally owned in America. Many of those guns will end up in the hands of criminals. When only criminals are armed, and law abiding citizens are unarmed, home invasions and armed robberies will increase.
The police simply will not be able to stop these crimes. They will arrive after the fact to investigate the crime, but can not possibly arrive before hand to stop the crime. Gun laws do not save lives or make criminals into law abiding citizens. And the police can not reliably stop crimes before they happen. If they show up to make a chalk outline on my floor, I want it to be the criminal if possible, not me.
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Ste is trolling, just ignore him :thumbsup:
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Now it looks like we have a Ted Kaczynski wanna-be in southeast Texas. Pipe bomb exploded in a FedEx distribution center in San Antonio. :duh:
Another rash of bombings? I wonder what sort of mentally deranged lunatic we're dealing with this time.
The suspect committed suicide earlier today after SWAT went after him. He had been staying at a hotel in Round Rock, TX. He built the bombs using stuff from Home Depot. Some customers said that he wore a wig and gloves at the store. They have video of the guy dropping off packages at the FedEx locations near San Antonio. They were addressed to Austin locations. The guy was unemployed and home schooled. They thought that race might have been behind the bombings, but now not so sure.
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More WOMD’s in USA than rest of world...
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This is why other nations are trying to keep up. So you have the Kim Jong Un's half-brother incident, the former Russia spy in UK incident, the polonium incident, the Syrian gas incidents, the Iraq gas incidents under Saddam, etc., etc., etc.
The actual phrase "weapons of mass destruction" has been used similarly and as a way to characterize any powerful force or product since the Iraqi weapons crisis in the lead up to the Coalition invasion of Iraq in 2003.
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More WOMD’s in USA than rest of world...
I assume WOMD stands for Women Of Mass Destruction.
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More WOMD’s in USA than rest of world...
I assume WOMD stands for Women Of Mass Destruction.
Wrong. It stands for Women of Mass Density. :ROFL:
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More WOMD’s in USA than rest of world...
I assume WOMD stands for Women Of Mass Destruction.
Wrong. It stands for Women of Mass Density. :ROFL:
W.O.M.D. = Women Overweight (and with) Mental Disorders
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Is the tide turning?
Certainly more people that Trumps inauguration...
March For Our Lives: US set for mass rallies to back gun control
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43526413
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Is the tide turning?
Certainly more people that Trumps inauguration...
March For Our Lives: US set for mass rallies to back gun control
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43526413
10 states are controlled by democrats and we have 50 states.
In order to change the constitution they would have to control
3/4's of the states which equals 38 states.
They aren't close, they aren't even far away from it. They are
a million miles away and headed in the wrong direction.
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10 states are controlled by democrats and we have 50 states.
In order to change the constitution they would have to control
3/4's of the states which equals 38 states.
They aren't close, they aren't even far away from it. They are
a million miles away and headed in the wrong direction.
Ste has been told this MANY TIMES! He is not stupid so he must be trolling...
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Ste has been told this MANY TIMES! He is not stupid so he must be trolling...
It's ok.
This is a debate thread, everyone eventually starts repeating
themselves.
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Is the tide turning?
A lot of folks think it is. Oddly, that is why they are rushing to buy more and more guns. The anti gunners think the guns will never be confiscated, the pro gunners think they guns will be, and the folks selling guns are making money off the fear. I feel it will eventually happen in America as it has everywhere else. But I doubt a complete ban and confiscation will occur in the next 20 years, which means it won't likely affect me.
Certainly more people that Trumps inauguration...
Not really important since many of the attendees are just professional demonstrators. In this case they have motivated children to cut class too. As I remember, cutting class was popular in my day but we got punished. In this case, most schools told these kids they would not be punished for walking out of class. So, it is no surprise lots of kids cut class to protest.
It is sad that leftist use kids as pawns in the protest game. But they seem to have little shame when pushing their agenda. I have always felt the depths they will sink to are a direct refection of how little they believe in the narrative and how much they believe in the agenda.
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The firm, founded more than 200 years ago, filed for bankruptcy protection to cut a deal with its creditors.
Founded in 1816, Remington is "one of America's oldest and largest manufacturers of firearms,"
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43540708
All good things must come to an end. (:) :nod:
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Is there a complete disconnect?
https://twitter.com/i/moments/979403365724585984?t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjc18y&refsrc=email&iid=857cf5dfb3ed48298fda020083eeb6a9&uid=2836134113&nid=244+273027072
If you read the comments you can only hope that this is not the future leadership of the United States.
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This right is beyond the reach of any person or government. Individuals can protect themselves using any necessary tools or actions.
http://thefederalist.com/2018/03/30/shouldnt-matter-repeal-second-amendment/
Yes, and that includes biological, chemical, nuclear, and whatever else you can get a hold off to protect yourself. :chuckle: :fighting0025:
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No need for guns.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/04/06/six-teenagers-stabbed-london-90-minutes/492382002/
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We are off to the States at the end of the year ( Of course that is if they let me in). Anyway there is no way Im going to have some muppet put a bullet in me!!
This weekend we are all of to Moscow for a few days I have enrolled on a day Spetsnaz course for Close quarter combat, just bought myself a balaclava , going to fit in some shooting also one morning..
Some time in the summer me and the wife are visiting star City for a flight in a fighter jet ... I guess Boris will be in charge of the controls though :laugh:
Had some practice today..
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212069592871845&set=a.2397113963990.2114648.1135221469&type=3&theater
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We are off to the States at the end of the year ( Of course that is if they let me in). Anyway there is no way Im going to have some muppet put a bullet in me!!
This weekend we are all of to Moscow for a few days I have enrolled on a day Spetsnaz course for Close quarter combat, just bought myself a balaclava , going to fit in some shooting also one morning..
Some time in the summer me and the wife are visiting star City for a flight in a fighter jet ... I guess Boris will be in charge of the controls though :laugh:
Had some practice today..
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212069592871845&set=a.2397113963990.2114648.1135221469&type=3&theater
I'd say the odds of getting shot in America are pretty slim. But, just out of curiosity, how much do you think Spetsnaz training reduce the odds of some guy shooting you? I can see maybe if the guy is super close to you, but most criminals are too savvy to get within arms reach. I'd hazard a guess that a quick martial arts move and disarm attempt are successful on TV way more than in a dark alley. But who knows?
That said, i supposed any training can only help. But I would say situational awareness and the good judgement to avoid high crime areas are the keys to avoiding being shot anywhere, America or otherwise.
I do hope you enjoy your visit.
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We are off to the States at the end of the year ( Of course that is if they let me in). Anyway there is no way Im going to have some muppet put a bullet in me!!
This weekend we are all of to Moscow for a few days I have enrolled on a day Spetsnaz course for Close quarter combat, just bought myself a balaclava , going to fit in some shooting also one morning..
Some time in the summer me and the wife are visiting star City for a flight in a fighter jet ... I guess Boris will be in charge of the controls though :laugh:
Had some practice today..
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212069592871845&set=a.2397113963990.2114648.1135221469&type=3&theater
I'd say the odds of getting shot in America are pretty slim. But, just out of curiosity, how much do you think Spetsnaz training reduce the odds of some guy shooting you? I can see maybe if the guy is super close to you, but most criminals are too savvy to get within arms reach. I'd hazard a guess that a quick martial arts move and disarm attempt are successful on TV way more than in a dark alley. But who knows?
That said, i supposed any training can only help. But I would say situational awareness and the good judgement to avoid high crime areas are the keys to avoiding being shot anywhere, America or otherwise.
I do hope you enjoy your visit.
Its ok I always carry two Magnums under my jacket and a pump action shot gun in the boot... I also have a armoured drone pretty close by for emergencies
so the not to close to me issue is fine.. >:( :laugh:
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We are off to the States at the end of the year ( Of course that is if they let me in). Anyway there is no way Im going to have some muppet put a bullet in me!!
This weekend we are all of to Moscow for a few days I have enrolled on a day Spetsnaz course for Close quarter combat, just bought myself a balaclava , going to fit in some shooting also one morning..
Some time in the summer me and the wife are visiting star City for a flight in a fighter jet ... I guess Boris will be in charge of the controls though :laugh:
Had some practice today..
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212069592871845&set=a.2397113963990.2114648.1135221469&type=3&theater
I'd say the odds of getting shot in America are pretty slim. But, just out of curiosity, how much do you think Spetsnaz training reduce the odds of some guy shooting you? I can see maybe if the guy is super close to you, but most criminals are too savvy to get within arms reach. I'd hazard a guess that a quick martial arts move and disarm attempt are successful on TV way more than in a dark alley. But who knows?
That said, i supposed any training can only help. But I would say situational awareness and the good judgement to avoid high crime areas are the keys to avoiding being shot anywhere, America or otherwise.
I do hope you enjoy your visit.
Its ok I always carry two Magnums under my jacket and a pump action shot gun in the boot... I also have a armoured drone pretty close by for emergencies
so the not to close to me issue is fine.. >:( :laugh:
I was expecting a bit more sincerity, and a whisker less sarcasm. It was a serious question. I was wondering if part of their training was learning to evaluate areas, potential threats, no-go zones and possible tells in the behavior of those around you. I think a course that focused on not getting into trouble would be a great help, and something everyone could benefit from. I suspect even as badass as Spetsnaz are, they would just as soon avoid criminal attacks as have to fight their way out of them
Good luck packing those magnums. For your sake I hope the criminals oblige by making themselves obvious before they attack. Sadly in America thugs have really mastered the art of sneak attacks on folk unfamiliar with the areas.
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We are off to the States at the end of the year ( Of course that is if they let me in). Anyway there is no way Im going to have some muppet put a bullet in me!!
This weekend we are all of to Moscow for a few days I have enrolled on a day Spetsnaz course for Close quarter combat, just bought myself a balaclava , going to fit in some shooting also one morning..
Some time in the summer me and the wife are visiting star City for a flight in a fighter jet ... I guess Boris will be in charge of the controls though :laugh:
Had some practice today..
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212069592871845&set=a.2397113963990.2114648.1135221469&type=3&theater
I'd say the odds of getting shot in America are pretty slim. But, just out of curiosity, how much do you think Spetsnaz training reduce the odds of some guy shooting you? I can see maybe if the guy is super close to you, but most criminals are too savvy to get within arms reach. I'd hazard a guess that a quick martial arts move and disarm attempt are successful on TV way more than in a dark alley. But who knows?
That said, i supposed any training can only help. But I would say situational awareness and the good judgement to avoid high crime areas are the keys to avoiding being shot anywhere, America or otherwise.
I do hope you enjoy your visit.
Its ok I always carry two Magnums under my jacket and a pump action shot gun in the boot... I also have a armoured drone pretty close by for emergencies
so the not to close to me issue is fine.. >:( :laugh:
I was expecting a bit more sincerity, and a whisker less sarcasm. It was a serious question. I was wondering if part of their training was learning to evaluate areas, potential threats, no-go zones and possible tells in the behavior of those around you. I think a course that focused on not getting into trouble would be a great help, and something everyone could benefit from. I suspect even as badass as Spetsnaz are, they would just as soon avoid criminal attacks as have to fight their way out of them
Good luck packing those magnums. For your sake I hope the criminals oblige by making themselves obvious before they attack. Sadly in America thugs have really mastered the art of sneak attacks on folk unfamiliar with the areas.
I think the US is becoming safer than the UK now in any case.. more chance of being stabbed in London by a 15 year old today , just walking down to the post office!!
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Steve, you are not black. You are safe.
I have never written words like this before and it pains me to write them: despite forming only 1.4% of the population of London, young Afro-Caribbean men were the victims in almost one-third of killings. The perpetrators were, in those cases, predominantly Afro-Caribbean. Of the 108 victims, 27 were teenagers. (the figures exclude domestic violence, terrorism, and infanticide)
This is not about overzealous policing, not about racism, but about issues within communities. Given the group involved this is not about recent immigrants but about people who are as British as I am, people whose parents and grandparents were migrants but those doing the killing, those enabling a breakdown in the local culture and society, they are Britons too.
While there is much that is unsafe about the world, it would seem that, in London, at least, if you are middleaged and white then you are still pretty safe.
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Steve, you are not black. You are safe.
I have never written words like this before and it pains me to write them: despite forming only 1.4% of the population of London, young Afro-Caribbean men were the victims in almost one-third of killings. The perpetrators were, in those cases, predominantly Afro-Caribbean. Of the 108 victims, 27 were teenagers. (the figures exclude domestic violence, terrorism, and infanticide)
This is not about overzealous policing, not about racism, but about issues within communities. Given the group involved this is not about recent immigrants but about people who are as British as I am, people whose parents and grandparents were migrants but those doing the killing, those enabling a breakdown in the local culture and society, they are Britons too.
While there is much that is unsafe about the world, it would seem that, in London, at least, if you are middleaged and white then you are still pretty safe.
Not sure Steve is white have you met him . . . . :laugh:
But what Andrew notes is very similiar to the statics in The United States, regarding violence against blacks, most blacks are the perpetrators and victims.
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We are off to the States at the end of the year ( Of course that is if they let me in). Anyway there is no way Im going to have some muppet put a bullet in me!!
This weekend we are all of to Moscow for a few days I have enrolled on a day Spetsnaz course for Close quarter combat, just bought myself a balaclava , going to fit in some shooting also one morning..
Some time in the summer me and the wife are visiting star City for a flight in a fighter jet ... I guess Boris will be in charge of the controls though :laugh:
Had some practice today..
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212069592871845&set=a.2397113963990.2114648.1135221469&type=3&theater
I'd say the odds of getting shot in America are pretty slim. But, just out of curiosity, how much do you think Spetsnaz training reduce the odds of some guy shooting you? I can see maybe if the guy is super close to you, but most criminals are too savvy to get within arms reach. I'd hazard a guess that a quick martial arts move and disarm attempt are successful on TV way more than in a dark alley. But who knows?
That said, i supposed any training can only help. But I would say situational awareness and the good judgement to avoid high crime areas are the keys to avoiding being shot anywhere, America or otherwise.
I do hope you enjoy your visit.
Its ok I always carry two Magnums under my jacket and a pump action shot gun in the boot... I also have a armoured drone pretty close by for emergencies
so the not to close to me issue is fine.. >:( :laugh:
Won’t the Magnums melt?
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We are off to the States at the end of the year ( Of course that is if they let me in). Anyway there is no way Im going to have some muppet put a bullet in me!!
This weekend we are all of to Moscow for a few days I have enrolled on a day Spetsnaz course for Close quarter combat, just bought myself a balaclava , going to fit in some shooting also one morning..
Some time in the summer me and the wife are visiting star City for a flight in a fighter jet ... I guess Boris will be in charge of the controls though :laugh:
Had some practice today..
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212069592871845&set=a.2397113963990.2114648.1135221469&type=3&theater
I'd say the odds of getting shot in America are pretty slim. But, just out of curiosity, how much do you think Spetsnaz training reduce the odds of some guy shooting you? I can see maybe if the guy is super close to you, but most criminals are too savvy to get within arms reach. I'd hazard a guess that a quick martial arts move and disarm attempt are successful on TV way more than in a dark alley. But who knows?
That said, i supposed any training can only help. But I would say situational awareness and the good judgement to avoid high crime areas are the keys to avoiding being shot anywhere, America or otherwise.
I do hope you enjoy your visit.
Its ok I always carry two Magnums under my jacket and a pump action shot gun in the boot... I also have a armoured drone pretty close by for emergencies
so the not to close to me issue is fine.. >:( :laugh:
Won’t the Magnums melt?
They will if you zap them in the magnetron.
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We are off to the States at the end of the year ( Of course that is if they let me in). Anyway there is no way Im going to have some muppet put a bullet in me!!
This weekend we are all of to Moscow for a few days I have enrolled on a day Spetsnaz course for Close quarter combat, just bought myself a balaclava , going to fit in some shooting also one morning..
Some time in the summer me and the wife are visiting star City for a flight in a fighter jet ... I guess Boris will be in charge of the controls though :laugh:
Had some practice today..
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212069592871845&set=a.2397113963990.2114648.1135221469&type=3&theater
I'd say the odds of getting shot in America are pretty slim. But, just out of curiosity, how much do you think Spetsnaz training reduce the odds of some guy shooting you? I can see maybe if the guy is super close to you, but most criminals are too savvy to get within arms reach. I'd hazard a guess that a quick martial arts move and disarm attempt are successful on TV way more than in a dark alley. But who knows?
That said, i supposed any training can only help. But I would say situational awareness and the good judgement to avoid high crime areas are the keys to avoiding being shot anywhere, America or otherwise.
I do hope you enjoy your visit.
Its ok I always carry two Magnums under my jacket and a pump action shot gun in the boot... I also have a armoured drone pretty close by for emergencies
so the not to close to me issue is fine.. >:( :laugh:
Won’t the Magnums melt?
Did you ever see Clint eastwards melt? They just left a big hole in the victims head, one side of it anyway..
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We are off to the States at the end of the year ( Of course that is if they let me in). Anyway there is no way Im going to have some muppet put a bullet in me!!
This weekend we are all of to Moscow for a few days I have enrolled on a day Spetsnaz course for Close quarter combat, just bought myself a balaclava , going to fit in some shooting also one morning..
Some time in the summer me and the wife are visiting star City for a flight in a fighter jet ... I guess Boris will be in charge of the controls though :laugh:
Had some practice today..
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10212069592871845&set=a.2397113963990.2114648.1135221469&type=3&theater
I'd say the odds of getting shot in America are pretty slim. But, just out of curiosity, how much do you think Spetsnaz training reduce the odds of some guy shooting you? I can see maybe if the guy is super close to you, but most criminals are too savvy to get within arms reach. I'd hazard a guess that a quick martial arts move and disarm attempt are successful on TV way more than in a dark alley. But who knows?
That said, i supposed any training can only help. But I would say situational awareness and the good judgement to avoid high crime areas are the keys to avoiding being shot anywhere, America or otherwise.
I do hope you enjoy your visit.
Its ok I always carry two Magnums under my jacket and a pump action shot gun in the boot... I also have a armoured drone pretty close by for emergencies
so the not to close to me issue is fine.. >:( :laugh:
Won’t the Magnums melt?
Did you ever see Clint eastwards melt? They just left a big hole in the victims head, one side of it anyway..
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Be careful this Yankee-Cloggie owns some Unilever.
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Be careful this Yankee-Cloggie owns some Unilever.
Founded by Lord Leverhulme from my home town!
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Founded by Lord Leverhulme from my home town!
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Really? I thought it was founded in the Netherlands by some guys in 1880something , when they found out how to cheaply produce Margarine , an alternative to real butter and saw how it could be very profitable (and it became very profitable...)
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Founded by Lord Leverhulme from my home town!
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Really? I thought it was founded in the Netherlands by some guys in 1880something , when they found out how to cheaply produce Margarine , an alternative to real butter and saw how it could be very profitable (and it became very profitable...)
Foundation is two Brabbies/Brabos.
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Founded by Lord Leverhulme from my home town!
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Really? I thought it was founded in the Netherlands by some guys in 1880something , when they found out how to cheaply produce Margarine , an alternative to real butter and saw how it could be very profitable (and it became very profitable...)
Looks like a merger. Lever Brothers being the Brit part. Hence my hometown having ‘Lever’ in a lot of street and placenames.
Lever street, Leverhulme Park, Great Lever, Lever Edge Lane, D’Arcy Lever....
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Founded by Lord Leverhulme from my home town!
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Really? I thought it was founded in the Netherlands by some guys in 1880something , when they found out how to cheaply produce Margarine , an alternative to real butter and saw how it could be very profitable (and it became very profitable...)
Looks like a merger. Lever Brothers being the Brit part. Hence my hometown having ‘Lever’ in a lot of street and placenames.
Lever street, Leverhulme Park, Great Lever, Lever Edge Lane, D’Arcy Lever....
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hang on a minute!!! Were we talking about shooting people ? Or its side stepped onto bloody Ice creams??
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Founded by Lord Leverhulme from my home town!
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Really? I thought it was founded in the Netherlands by some guys in 1880something , when they found out how to cheaply produce Margarine , an alternative to real butter and saw how it could be very profitable (and it became very profitable...)
Looks like a merger. Lever Brothers being the Brit part. Hence my hometown having ‘Lever’ in a lot of street and placenames.
Lever street, Leverhulme Park, Great Lever, Lever Edge Lane, D’Arcy Lever....
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hang on a minute!!! Were we talking about shooting people ? Or its side stepped onto bloody Ice creams??
Steve "Don't you know too much sugar is bad for you" and trust me there is allot of sugar in a Magnum.
Watch what Harry does with a Magnun.
Hope we made your day! tiphat
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Founded by Lord Leverhulme from my home town!
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Really? I thought it was founded in the Netherlands by some guys in 1880something , when they found out how to cheaply produce Margarine , an alternative to real butter and saw how it could be very profitable (and it became very profitable...)
Looks like a merger. Lever Brothers being the Brit part. Hence my hometown having ‘Lever’ in a lot of street and placenames.
Lever street, Leverhulme Park, Great Lever, Lever Edge Lane, D’Arcy Lever....
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hang on a minute!!! Were we talking about shooting people ? Or its side stepped onto bloody Ice creams??
Steve "Don't you know too much sugar is bad for you" and trust me there is allot of sugar in a Magnum.
Watch what Harry does with a Magnun.
Hope we made your day! tiphat
Clint Eastwood is soooo old now, always liked his spaghetti Westerns ...
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https://twitter.com/ARmastrangelo/status/984131438416101378
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https://twitter.com/ARmastrangelo/status/984131438416101378
As much as I like Girls With Guns (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tGSyCtHw0Q), this is mostly about attention-seeking, certainly with the follow-up/copy cats.
B/B
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https://twitter.com/ARmastrangelo/status/984131438416101378
As much as I like Girls With Guns (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tGSyCtHw0Q), this is mostly about attention-seeking, certainly with the follow-up/copy cats.
B/B
The more the merrier! For every sad sack group of brain-washed Marxist sheep marching real Americans would welcome 500 or more of these beauties marching! :chuckle:
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https://twitter.com/ARmastrangelo/status/984131438416101378
As much as I like Girls With Guns (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tGSyCtHw0Q), this is mostly about attention-seeking, certainly with the follow-up/copy cats.
B/B
The more the merrier! For every sad sack group of brain-washed Marxist sheep marching real Americans would welcome 500 or more of these beauties marching! :chuckle:
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Just skimmed this thread but here are a few facts since people on the forum are big on facts.
The AR-15 is not a military style weapon or weapon of war as you've read in media or heard in the news by people who want to spread lies to mold your beliefs.
No military in the world would by the AR-15. The rifling of the barrel is designed to spin the bullet so it passes through human bodies giving people a better chance at survival. A military grade weapon's barrel is rifled so that the bullet spins fast enough so it's stable in flight but unstable in your body. It'll tumble and rip flesh apart. The round is supposed to stay in your body and expend 100% of it's energy in there while an AR-15 round would do less damage since it's much more likely to leave the body and not expending 100% of it's energy in there.
I understand some of you believe guns shouldn't exist. It is an American's right to own a gun. Just the way it is. If you make the government powerful enough to give you want you want, to remove the 2nd amendment, you make a government powerful enough to take away everything you got. Your freedom of speech, freedom of religion and rights to votes can be taken away too.
Age limits is what some of you may suggest. Age limit of an adult is 18. If you give the government permission to apply age limits on your rights, today they will not allow you to own a gun until you turn 21. Tomorrow they will not allow you to own a gun until you're 121. You'll have rights but you'll probably be dead before you can get them. Also other rights will be open season for age limits too.
There are paranoid gun owners in America. I've talked to a few. But I also understand history and can anybody tell me a nation, kingdom, or empire that has not oppressed their people during anytime during it's rise and fall? I don't think America is going to greatly change in my lifetime but I'd like to preserve it for my kids and grandkids.
The NRA is the largest civil rights group in America. It's not an evil organization with evil money that bribes politicians. It's a civil rights group made up of millions of American citizens and they want to see their money going to elect politicians who'd preserve their rights.
There are approximately 194 countries in this world. All the militaries in the world including America's own 200 million guns. That's over a million guns per military average and there are only 5 nations with over a million men on active duty.
American citizens own 265 million guns, 65 million more guns than all the militaries in the world. Digest that information for a few minutes. Banning guns isn't going to happen anytime soon. An invasion of America isn't going to happen anytime soon either.
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Billy (and any other Americans here), out of interest, do you think frequent school shootings and other mass shootings that happen in the US so often are just unfortunate but necessary prices that your society pays for the gun-related freedoms that you all enjoy?
I think the answer is a resounding "yes" but not many of you will admit it.
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Billy (and any other Americans here), out of interest, do you think frequent school shootings and other mass shootings that happen in the US so often are just unfortunate but necessary prices that your society pays for the gun-related freedoms that you all enjoy?
I think the answer is a resounding "yes" but not many of you will admit it.
When I was young and living near the "skid row" part of town, shootings were not that common. As I entered my teens, the landscape of the city began to change. Drugs, prostitution, and crime ticked upward. People on the "low end" were able to find other means to "support themselves". They also were able to find other means to "resolve" their disagreements with others. Those who happened to be at the "wrong place at the wrong time" are acceptable collateral damage. But until you become one of those "unfortunate ones at the wrong place at the wrong time", all of the bad events that occur from here to eternity is "no skin off my back".
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Billy (and any other Americans here), out of interest, do you think frequent school shootings and other mass shootings that happen in the US so often are just unfortunate but necessary prices that your society pays for the gun-related freedoms that you all enjoy?
I think the answer is a resounding "yes" but not many of you will admit it.
Yes, I think that is an accurate statement to make. I am under the assumption that many foreigners are confounded by the notion that Americans can be both caring / concerned and selfish / greedy at the same time... it's a difficult thing to explain or even understand but that's how it works. The United States has always been a place where watching your neighbor's back is suggested but watching your own back is required.
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Billy (and any other Americans here), out of interest, do you think frequent school shootings and other mass shootings that happen in the US so often are just unfortunate but necessary prices that your society pays for the gun-related freedoms that you all enjoy?
I think the answer is a resounding "yes" but not many of you will admit it.
Yes, it's a price I'm willing to accept for freedoms. For me it goes further than guns. The right to own a gun is in the Constitution with freedom of speech and religion. When America becomes a very different place than what we see now and our government can take away a right, they can also take away every right. It's important people are stronger than the government and the government continues to work for the people.
I'm against drugs and I wouldn't care if alcohol is banned but in my state, some drugs and alcohol are legal. I'm not going to protest that those items are killing people. Like guns, those are freedoms people enjoy and there is a cost that is acceptable to most.
It's not all wild wild west here. I take my son to the gun range. I see men, women and kids, firing their weapons and I don't feel threatened anyone of them could shoot me or my son. I can walk through the woods during hunting season and pass by a hunter carrying a rifle powerful enough to bring down Elk and bear and I don't feel scared.
There are parts of America that are very dangerous such as parts of Chicago and Washington DC. One thing many people are scared to mention because of political correctness is that blacks in America are just as violent as blacks living in Africa. Hispanics here are just as violent as those living in Central America. Whites are just as violent as those living in Europe. It's in our genes.
I live in a neighborhood that I'm comfortable with. My door is unlocked most of the time. Most of the time my door is unlocked when my wife and I leave the home. People have choices and even if they start in a hole, they have the ability to climb out of that hole into something better if they try.
Lord of the Dance is right that Americans on average are caring. American civilians give the most charitable aid around the world. Can't expect perfection living here though, just have to accept the good with the bad and I feel there is a lot more good here than bad.
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Yes, it's a price I'm willing to accept for freedoms......
I wouldn't care if alcohol is banned.....
My point isn't about who is right here, but this whole mentality is alien to me.
Children being murdered or mass shootings on a regular basis would never be a price I'm willing to accept. This stuff shouldn't be accepted in this day and age.
On the other hand, you're happy for alcohol to be banned because some people die from it, albeit self inflicted??
I'll say no more because we can spend hours debating and I do accept that the right to own a gun is in your constitution. It's just that I read this stuff and it drives a massive wedge between us and you, mentality wise.
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Rosco, here Billy is showing a degree of cognitive dissonance. He is faced with the idea that unnecessary deaths are wrong and that killing is evil, but at the same time, he likes his guns and does not want to give them up.
Evidence for this: his willingness to ban something that he does not care much about - alcohol in preference to his fetish objects.
He chooses to make a false comparison between the two in order to demonstrate his virtue while not thinking too much about why the comparison is invalid.
If he were able to set aside the fear that drives his need to be able to carry guns then he would likely come to terms with the idea that his fears, held in common with many other people like himself, are what drives the death cult responsible for so many deaths in the United States.
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Rosco, here Billy is showing a degree of cognitive dissonance. He is faced with the idea that unnecessary deaths are wrong and that killing is evil, but at the same time, he likes his guns and does not want to give them up.
Evidence for this: his willingness to ban something that he does not care much about - alcohol in preference to his fetish objects.
He chooses to make a false comparison between the two in order to demonstrate his virtue while not thinking too much about why the comparison is invalid.
If he were able to set aside the fear that drives his need to be able to carry guns then he would likely come to terms with the idea that his fears, held in common with many other people like himself, are what drives the death cult responsible for so many deaths in the United States.
Agreed.
Whilst never wishing something like this on anyone, I wonder if a member of their family was gunned down innocently, would they see first hand the needless pain caused or would they claim that they need more guns?
Sadly I think I know the answer.
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I wonder if Native Americans are allowed to open carry tomahawks or Bows and Arrow....
Gonna Google it......
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Children being murdered or mass shootings on a regular basis would never be a price I'm willing to accept. This stuff shouldn't be accepted in this day and age.
On the other hand, you're happy for alcohol to be banned because some people die from it, albeit self inflicted??
Kids get run over from alcoholics. Based on your thoughts mass shootings being on a regular basis, so vehicular homicide by alcoholics happen on a regular basis too. Ban cars and alcohol?
Based on how many people own guns and hours driving cars, you want to change the entire way a society lives based on very rare events because you think it happens on a regular basis. It doesn't.
Doesn't matter if you think gun deaths are unnecessary, and automobile deaths are acceptable, aren't all deaths bad? Ban everything including fatty foods to save lives at all costs? Part of living is dying and there are risks but to change an entire way a society lives based on a very rare event is silly. Renting trucks are the new way of killing and creating terror anyway. Pull a fire alarm and all the kids will gather outside. Take guns away and killers will find other ways to kill. But America is different. Smuggling is big and even though drugs are illegal, it's everywhere. Lawbreakers will get their drugs and guns if they want.
Do you notice how every time there is a mass shooting, the public cries for safety and the politicians try to make laws that punish good people? How about we form a special committee to determine who is crazy and execute those people before they kill others? I don't think you'll go for it because you feel crazy people have a right to live. As long as you accept that crazy people have the right to live just as I feel citizens have a right to own guns, you have to accept the risk they will kill one of your family members someday. Maybe your child who currently goes to school? I don't blame the guns, I blame the criminally insane when a mass shooting happens.
Andrew, remember the time you were in the FSU and someone bashed you over your head, knocked you out and robbed you? You were left in the snow, bled and could've died but fortunately woke up hours later. I can't remember if you seen what object he hit you with. It may have been a pipe or a rubber dildo. Did you call for a ban on all blunt objects? People need pipes and enjoy dildos. Don't punish good people for the bad thing that criminal did to you.
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By the way, I am fully in tune with the idea that the 'freedoms' we are allowed to have come at a price and I also agree that not all those freedoms are required by all of us. However, in general, I go with the idea that we should be able to do as we wish without penalty, as long as we take responsibility for our actions.
On that basis, I am OK with alcohol, on the basis that it is not a murder weapon, but if a person drinks too much and kills somebody while driving, for example, that person is sanctioned on the basis that he killed somebody.Giving people guns, on the whole, tends to reduce the safety of everybody in the community and that's a big problem because there's no way to sanction all gun holders in the way that all alcohol drinkers are.
Billy, a reductio ad absurdum argument is almost never a good one, it tends to signal a lack of thought. However, to humour you a little - I am entirely happy that we do not ban all blunt instruments and I am happy that as a society we pay the price of having the freedom to live in a world where there are sharp edges on buildings and hammers are heavy enough to drive nails.
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By the way, I am fully in tune with the idea that the 'freedoms' we are allowed to have come at a price and I also agree that not all those freedoms are required by all of us.
The nice thing about freedom in America is that they are allowed to leave to a place that has the laws they want. I understand some people are greatly affected by mass shootings and guns being legal. America is not paradise for them but they are free to find paradise.
I am OK with alcohol, on the basis that it is not a murder weapon, but if a person drinks too much and kills somebody while driving, for example, that person is sanctioned on the basis that he killed somebody.Giving people guns, on the whole, tends to reduce the safety of everybody in the community and that's a big problem because there's no way to sanction all gun holders in the way that all alcohol drinkers are.
If I cared about lives as much as some people here claim to and had a choice to ban alcohol or guns, I would easily ban alcohol. People under the influence kill more people accidentally and on purpose than guns kill. People under the influence also kills themselves. What's more disturbing is alcohol magnifies the frequency of domestic violence tenfold. Family are more likely to get beat up. So alcohol ending life and ruining the quality of life for people is greater than guns.
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Sadly he doesn’t get it, right over the head. Your analogies Billy, about people misusing innocent stuff to hurt others, is terrible. Hint -
Alcohol is sold for people to enjoy.
Cars are made to transport people effectively.
Hammers are made for building.
Guns are made to hit/hurt/kill.
If you’d suggested it were illegal to carry knives, RPG’s & crossbows in public without reason, then you’d have my support. Suggesting an idiot who drink drives, is good reason to ban certain modes of transportation, destroys your argument. Suggesting banning food because some people can’t control themselves, destroys your argument.....
Anyway, it’s all been said before.
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Alcohol is sold for people to enjoy.
Guns is sold for people to enjoy. The both kill and they both provide enjoyment. You think I'm clueless but you fail to understand why some people enjoy guns. Although I'm not fond of alcohol, I understand both it's destructive nature and why people enjoy it.
Cars are made to transport people effectively.
Hammers are made for building.
Guns are made to hit/hurt/kill.
Guns are made for hunting. There are still hunters that enjoy eating the animals they hunt.
Guns are made for security purposes protecting life and property.
Guns save lives and protect civilians. Law abiding citizens and law enforcement use guns to benefit people's lives by discouraging criminals in the act.
It's extremely hard to debate someone who ignores half the facts.
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I wonder if Native Americans are allowed to open carry tomahawks or Bows and Arrow....
Gonna Google it......
They took the whole Cherokee nation
Put us on this reservation
Took away our ways of life
The tomahawk and the bow and knife
Took away our native tongue
And taught their English to our young
And all the beads we made by hand
Are nowadays made in Japan
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Billy (and any other Americans here), out of interest, do you think frequent school shootings and other mass shootings that happen in the US so often are just unfortunate but necessary prices that your society pays for the gun-related freedoms that you all enjoy?
I think the answer is a resounding "yes" but not many of you will admit it.
Unfortunately Manny my opinion is also yes.
Having noted this school shootings, are something of a long 'tradition' in The States. A school shooting in California while the Soviet Union existed gave rise to this song.
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Billy (and any other Americans here), out of interest, do you think frequent school shootings and other mass shootings that happen in the US so often are just unfortunate but necessary prices that your society pays for the gun-related freedoms that you all enjoy?
I think the answer is a resounding "yes" but not many of you will admit it.
The flaw in that logic is obvious. In America today, there is not one shred of evidence that gun laws work. I have no interest in what happened in some other country. Here the places with the strictest gun laws are the most dangerous.
Gun laws do not stop killers. And, outlawing anything criminals or desperate people want, doesn't get rid of it. All you have to do is look at heroin, meth, cocaine, ecstasy, or any of the myriad of opiates now flowing from clinics to addicts.
There is no acceptable price for children dying in schools. But, there is no acceptable price for our Constitution and the rights granted by it either. Those rights were paid for with the spilled blood of hundreds of thousands of good Americans, and that makes them priceless.
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Billy (and any other Americans here), out of interest, do you think frequent school shootings and other mass shootings that happen in the US so often are just unfortunate but necessary prices that your society pays for the gun-related freedoms that you all enjoy?
I think the answer is a resounding "yes" but not many of you will admit it.
The flaw in that logic is obvious. In America today, there is not one shred of evidence that gun laws work. I have no interest in what happened in some other country. Here the places with the strictest gun laws are the most dangerous.
Gun laws do not stop killers. And, outlawing anything criminals or desperate people want, doesn't get rid of it. All you have to do is look at heroin, meth, cocaine, ecstasy, or any of the myriad of opiates now flowing from clinics to addicts.
There is no acceptable price for children dying in schools. But, there is no acceptable price for our Constitution and the rights granted by it either. Those rights were paid for with the spilled blood of hundreds of thousands of good Americans, and that makes them priceless.
MW true but sad.
A ways back, before gun ownership was commonplace the must acceptable/common weapon was a knife or ice pick. Many died, but there were no calls to outlaw ice picks or knifes. But there is an unfortunate reality of the US that there is a greater <sense/entitlement/use> of violence to settle perceived differences.
Also many gun owners in the US are very casual about locks and gun safety.
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Sadly he doesn’t get it, right over the head. Your analogies Billy, about people misusing innocent stuff to hurt others, is terrible. Hint -
Alcohol is sold for people to enjoy.
Cars are made to transport people effectively.
Hammers are made for building.
Guns are made to hit/hurt/kill.
If you’d suggested it were illegal to carry knives, RPG’s & crossbows in public without reason, then you’d have my support. Suggesting an idiot who drink drives, is good reason to ban certain modes of transportation, destroys your argument. Suggesting banning food because some people can’t control themselves, destroys your argument.....
Anyway, it’s all been said before.
I highlighted the portion of your post which is the crux of the matter.
We're not going to ban guns or any type of firearms because some idiot who is high on psychiatric drugs decides to go on a rampage, just as you feel cars should not be banned because some idiot gets drunk, gets in a car and kills somebody.
Do you really in your wild most fantasy think you're going to convince us Americans to do away with the 2nd amendment?
You won't and you'll be a lot happier if you just give it a rest. :-*
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Billy (and any other Americans here), out of interest, do you think frequent school shootings and other mass shootings that happen in the US so often are just unfortunate but necessary prices that your society pays for the gun-related freedoms that you all enjoy?
I think the answer is a resounding "yes" but not many of you will admit it.
I have nothing to fear about your desire that I should admit to this, I've already stated it up thread unequivocally.
Not sure why you U.K. guys keep asking as we've made it crystal clear. Take a real good look-see at the statistics on this here meme below. Ignore the pretty woman as she might distract your brain from doing what we've been asking you to do for that past 60 pages. The cities listed have your beloved gun control (allegedly).
All that means is that the hard-core criminals can waste anybody they want to, steal any car they want to, break into any apartment or house they want to and know full well that the law abiding citizens of those cities will not resist their crimes with a registered firearm, because the law abiding citizens cannot purchase and register a firearm and keep it at home or in their cars to protect themselves.
This desire for "gun control" is a progressive liberal communist desire and rural folk are not communist and providence willing never will be. We're not interested in becoming victims like you. We're not interested in our daughters or girlfriends or wives being harassed or raped by the likes of the people who have ruined your once fare nation.
You've got a killing spree going on in London and in fact for the first time ever it's surpassed New York City. Congratulations! Will you be moving to Russia or where when the "disease" as you like to call it reaches your fair town?
Will you be moving to Paris since you like France? Whoops! That's out of the question. Go to a concert and you might be the next victim of the next well planned terror attack. They've got gun control there as well or did you forget?
Handguns and firearms save far more lives in the USA than are lost because some drugged out kid whacks some classmates after the worthless POS's at the FBI ignores his threats on social media and the school doesn't report the threat either because it would hurt how they look to the school district for some sort of tax dollars and the local douche-bag Sheriff also lets the kid off the hook because they're manipulating their arrest figures in order to look better as well.
http://theweek.com/speedreads/759771/fbi-admits-ignored-red-flags-about-parkland-shooter-failed-alert-authorities
https://judiciary.house.gov/press-release/goodlatte-gowdy-release-key-takeaways-fbi-briefing-parkland-school-shooting/
Do some research on your own and you might actually have a little light bulb go off in your head. Better yet just move to a rural portion of the USA for a few months, purchase some firearms and join a gun club and go to the local firing range and enjoy them. Go hunt some geese, deer, elk, etc. buy a smoker and eat real well for a season. Enjoy life.
Don't worry. Buy a firearm and carry on. :chuckle:
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I have nothing to fear about your desire that I should admit to this, I've already stated it up thread unequivocally.
Not sure why you U.K. guys keep asking as we've made it crystal clear. Take a real good look-see at the statistics on this here meme below. Ignore the pretty woman as she might distract your brain from doing what we've been asking you to do for that past 60 pages. The cities listed have your beloved gun control (allegedly).
The picture is false, let me put you up a simple analogy:
London suddenly starts driving on the right-hand side of the road, like t he rest of the world.
Then complaining that only londen has the *most* traffic accidents because of that, is true but unfair.
Mark.
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The problem of these 'example cities' is that of economics. Yeah, I know, boring - economics is about the allocation of resources, not just money.
In economics, it is a basic principle that resources will tend to flow to where there is a demand for them, whether because of limits on availability or a surplus of demand.
In a national economy awash with weapons it is only to be expected that some of that bounty will tend to flow to where supply is limited but demand is the same as the rest of the market. Gun control laws in a single location in an otherwise open market will have absolutely no effect - except in this: the holders of guns in places with stricter gun control will tend to be holding illegal weapons. People who hold illegal weapons tend to do so for a reason and, in the end, there's pretty much only one reason for a person to hold an illegal weapon. So, in the much-vaunted gun control cities, there are more deaths by guns than in the rest of the market.
To reduce the effects of guns on people one must restrict supply in the entire market (the whole United States). At that point the only gun owners will be holding them illegally and, for a short time, gun deaths might spike as they have in Chicago, Detroit, etc. As guns continue to be withdrawn from circulation the number of people who want a gun in order to kill will exceed the supply and 'criminal' gun deaths will fall.
Oversupplying a market, as happens in the U.S., is to encourage more deaths because the oversupply of guns makes them available at a low cost such that even those with only a slight propensity to use them to kill are enabled to attain their goals. Restricting supply removes people from the market and thus axiomatically reduces the mal-effects of guns in society.
Oh, and don't get me started on the economics of guns as compared to knives as instruments of death, but that case is a false comparison, even if popular with those who want to keep hold of their fetish object guns.
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One flaw in your theory Andrew.... criminals will always find ways to get firearms. And in this day and age it is easier than ever. Here is what is happening in my country, where strict gun laws are in effect....
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/homemade-machine-guns-edmonton-1.4260409
Prohibited machine-guns are easily constructed outside the confines of an official factory, says a local gun expert, after a black-market gun-making operation was busted west of Edmonton.
"It's not difficult at all, unfortunately. If you go online, there's about a thousand sites that will give you the detailed machinist drawings for how to manufacture these pistols," said Gordon McGowan, the owner of MilArm Co, a firearms store in downtown Edmonton.
"There has always been an underground market in that kind of trade. Undocumented firearms have value to the criminal element because they're not someone else's property — they're not traceable, they're not trackable."
So if you take the firearms out of the hands of the law abiding population all you are doing is leaving them even more defenseless to criminals
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There is no flaw in my 'theory'. The point is that in your sad country there is an overabundance of weapons of death. To decrease the supply leads to an axiomatic reduction in the ability of those who want guns to have them.
The question is whether you lot as a society wish to continue the path to barbarism or whether you as a society decide to increase the cost of weapons (not just the money price) such that most people are dissuaded from bothering with getting them. This is not difficult stuff, on a conceptual level. The only issue is whether you lot want to do it.
All that is needed for fewer people to die is for supply to be limited, it really is that simple.
Think for a moment. Where do you think that illegal weapons come from?
The simple answer is this: in almost every case they start out as legal weapons that become diverted into the illegal supply.
And, of course, you lot kill each other with 'legal' weapons every day.
So, you reduce the supply of 'legal' weapons.
This is so trivial that it is not necessary to discuss it. What needs to be discussed is why are you lot so afraid, so scared, that you think that you need to own and carry firearms and, as a corollary, are you willing, as a society, to keep on paying the price - in terms of lives destroyed - of having those weapons?
Sadly, the empirical evidence suggests that you lot are absolutely willing to pay the price of keeping guns and that you want to keep on killing each other with them.
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There is no flaw in my 'theory'. The point is that in your sad country there is an overabundance of weapons of death. To decrease the supply leads to an axiomatic reduction in the ability of those who want guns to have them.
The question is whether you lot as a society wish to continue the path to barbarism or whether you as a society decide to increase the cost of weapons (not just the money price) such that most people are dissuaded from bothering with getting them. This is not difficult stuff, on a conceptual level. The only issue is whether you lot want to do it.
All that is needed for fewer people to die is for supply to be limited, it really is that simple.
Think for a moment. Where do you think that illegal weapons come from?
The simple answer is this: in almost every case they start out as legal weapons that become diverted into the illegal supply.
And, of course, you lot kill each other with 'legal' weapons every day.
So, you reduce the supply of 'legal' weapons.
This is so trivial that it is not necessary to discuss it. What needs to be discussed is why are you lot so afraid, so scared, that you think that you need to own and carry firearms and, as a corollary, are you willing, as a society, to keep on paying the price - in terms of lives destroyed - of having those weapons?
Sadly, the empirical evidence suggests that you lot are absolutely willing to pay the price of keeping guns and that you want to keep on killing each other with them.
Wow, did you just skim my post? First of all, as I mentioned, I am in CANADA.... not the US. So your little speech about my "sad little country" was all for not! :laugh:
And second... the illegal guns I was talking about DID NOT start out as legal ones like you claim, they are homemade. There will always be a supply of them by enterprising black marketers who just have to look on the internet to get the drawings to make one. And when you can make one in about 2 hours like the article stated, there will be no problem in keeping that supply. And your average citizen would not be the ones buying them, the criminals will be... and they will be happy that the law abiding people will not be armed to stop them when they come to thier door.
So yes, your theory that you can whittle down the supply of guns in the hands of criminals is flawed... when there will always be new homemade ones being made. If it is happening here in Canada with our stricter gun laws it will definately happen in the US where they have a much stronger gun culture
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There is an odd fact, a while back the NRA worked with the United States (federal) government on passing gun legislation.
Specifically what was & is prohibited to this day are 'true' machine guns. Felonies committed using such weapons means those convicted face far longer prison sentences.
The fact of this points to the greater reality that The United States has lost one fundemental political quality; finding a compromise. The nation is highly polarized and unable to understand the others viewpoint. Sort of like RUA but we are International.
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The fact of this points to the greater reality that The United States has lost one fundemental political quality; finding a compromise. The nation is highly polarized and unable to understand the others viewpoint. Sort of like RUA but we are International.
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The fact of this points to the greater reality that The United States has lost one fundemental political quality; finding a compromise. The nation is highly polarized and unable to understand the others viewpoint. Sort of like RUA but we are International.
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Because Obama was the most decisive "President" (Dictator is a better description for that communist scumbag) in the history of these fair United States of America.
He and his ilk continue to work behind the scenes to discredit the peoples choice for President back on November 8, 2016.
The people spoke and they spoke loud and clear: we want a return to the Conservative principles which made this country great. That means Supreme Court justices like Gorsuch. It means the 9th circuit court in California should be disbanded.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/03/rick-santorum-9th-circuit-court_n_818230.html
It means that mayors like the mayor of Oakland who went against the peoples wishes and protected criminals from being deported by ICE should be put in jail and prosecuted.
Put her and Jerry Brown in Guantanimo if need be. Their anti-American activities of protecting illegal aliens, murderers (Kate Steinle), drug kingpins, illegals who start fires and cause Billions of dollars in damage, etc. are far worse than any terrorist from overseas.
The war for the heart and soul of this nation is right here right now no need to be complacent and no need to send troops overseas to destroy yet another country at a cost of a Trillion dollars to our treasury.
Obama divided this nation along racial lines, along religious lines, along class lines and along every imaginable way a nation could be divided he exploited it: all right out of the Alinsky Communist playbook for radicals.
https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2014/09/10/the-lefts-playbook-satanist-saul-alinskys-13-rules-for-political-warfare/
Some of us are mentally prepared should a civil war come and the progs who keep begging for it will be first to go.
http://www.capitolhilloutsider.com/is-obama-pushing-for-a-civil-war/
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The problem of these 'example cities' is that of economics. Yeah, I know, boring - economics is about the allocation of resources, not just money.
Wrong. There are tons of poor oppressed areas in the Midwest. But they are not overrun with violence like the large cities, especially those on the coast. Poverty doesn't cause crime, criminals do.
So, in the much-vaunted gun control cities, there are more deaths by guns than in the rest of the market.
We agree on that. But it isn't the guns. Again it is the criminals.
To reduce the effects of guns on people one must restrict supply in the entire market (the whole United States). At that point the only gun owners will be holding them illegally and, for a short time, gun deaths might spike as they have in Chicago, Detroit, etc. As guns continue to be withdrawn from circulation the number of people who want a gun in order to kill will exceed the supply and 'criminal' gun deaths will fall.
To reduce drug overdoses we need to restrict the entire drug market too. But we cant do it with drugs. And we will not be able to do it with guns. Illegal guns will flow in like dope does now. Criminals will get guns no matter what it takes.
Oversupplying a market, as happens in the U.S., is to encourage more deaths because the oversupply of guns makes them available at a low cost such that even those with only a slight propensity to use them to kill are enabled to attain their goals.
Criminals don't care about the cost of guns. They steal them or buy them with money they stole. And if guns increase the propensity to kill, why are there no gunfights breaking out at NRA events and large gun shows like the Tulsa show where thousands of folks attend? Guns don't cause crime, criminals do.
Your arguments are old, stale and based on untrue theories.. Those theories have not stood the test anywhere in America they have been tried.
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Gun control laws in a single location in an otherwise open market will have absolutely no effect - except in this: the holders of guns in places with stricter gun control will tend to be holding illegal weapons. People who hold illegal weapons tend to do so for a reason and, in the end, there's pretty much only one reason for a person to hold an illegal weapon. So, in the much-vaunted gun control cities, there are more deaths by guns than in the rest of the market.
To reduce the effects of guns on people one must restrict supply in the entire market (the whole United States). At that point the only gun owners will be holding them illegally and, for a short time, gun deaths might spike as they have in Chicago, Detroit, etc. As guns continue to be withdrawn from circulation the number of people who want a gun in order to kill will exceed the supply and 'criminal' gun deaths will fall.
We have total NATIONWIDE bans against hard core drugs but there are tons of these drugs in the same cities with the highest gun homicide rate. Your theory only works with countries like Australia. We are parked next to Mexico, Australia isn't.
A guy was once asked "How many people got to die before you'd give up your rights to guns?" He responded "All of them." There are a lot of people that feel that strongly about their rights to not only guns, but everything guaranteed by the Constitution. If the government bans guns and sends law enforcement to confiscate citizens guns, I bet you gun deaths will skyrocket. Andrew, you may freely give up any of your rights at anytime for any reason but many Americans are much more stubborn than you.
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In the UK, illegal drugs can be bought with ease despite the law.
Firearms are heavily restricted and gun crime is extremely low. The comparison is rediculous as I’ve just proved.
It’s a culture rather than a legal thing. Guns in the U.K. public domain are considered to be unnecessary and unacceptable. You guys on the other hand seem to need them and won’t accept change.
As long as you’re happy because I am.
:coffeeread:
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In the UK, illegal drugs can be bought with ease despite the law.
Firearms are heavily restricted and gun crime is extremely low. The comparison is rediculous as I’ve just proved.
It’s a culture rather than a legal thing. Guns in the U.K. public domain are considered to be unnecessary and unacceptable. You guys on the other hand seem to need them and won’t accept change.
As long as you’re happy because I am.
:coffeeread:
You are your lot should be so proud! How many young girls were raped by grooming rape gangs over the last 30 years?
The threat of violence is very effective in combating terrorism, which is what it is when gangs can rape young girls with impunity.
Go ahead and delude yourself that your police forces and politicians can prevent these sordid incidents from happening and protect your home hearth.
" The scale of the street grooming crisis in the UK almost defies belief. Hundreds of girls and young women were raped in the city of Rotherham, and hundreds by similar exploitation rings in Rochdale, Peterborough, Newcastle, Oxford, and Bristol. Now, up to a thousand girls are thought to have been drugged, raped, and beaten in Telford between the 1980s and the 2010s."
http://quillette.com/2018/03/14/britains-grooming-gang-crisis/
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You are your lot should be so proud! How many young girls were raped by grooming rape gangs over the last 30 years?
The threat of violence is very effective in combating terrorism, which is what it is when gangs can rape young girls with impunity.
Yet it has not been proven that rapes become less with much guns on the street. In fact, most girls when confronted with an unarmed assailant can opt to simply run away, whereas being faced with a criminal with a gun, running away is not an option.
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You are your lot should be so proud! How many young girls were raped by grooming rape gangs over the last 30 years?
The threat of violence is very effective in combating terrorism, which is what it is when gangs can rape young girls with impunity.
Yet it has not been proven that rapes become less with much guns on the street. In fact, most girls when confronted with an unarmed assailant can opt to simply run away, whereas being faced with a criminal with a gun, running away is not an option.
Exactly.
1) Guns wouldn't have prevented the Muslim sex scandals, removing liberals and the PC culture would have been much better.
2) So the US with all its guns, doesn't have any race, culture, economic or sex scandals? Hmmm thought not.
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miquel westano, it is clear that you did not understand a word of what I wrote up-thread. Sorry about that.
As I wrote, but you blithely skipped past, economics is about the allocation of resources. Money is only one type of resource. Poverty is not relevant to the case I was making. :'(
Your lack of understanding causes you to not be able to understand the most basic ideas here. It is sad. Here's a pointer for you: even if it was true that people get guns by theft - and in the U.S. that is not a relevant issue due to the oversupply of weapons and their ease of acquisition, if the supply of guns is reduced to levels similar to the U.K then just where would your supposed criminals go to steal their weapons?
More sensibly, where would your disaffected students and postal workers go to get them? Theft is NOT a common skill set, especially when the items to be stolen are vanishingly rare and when held privately are kept under very tight security?
Think for a moment - it really helps!
The truth is that if a person wants ANYTHING enough then they can obtain it. Economic first principals tell us that when the price (not just the money price) is made higher that fewer people will be motivated enough to bother! That's the basis of what I wrote about above. Sorry that you didn't read, or understand. It is lack of knowledge that makes people like you so easily manipulated.
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if the supply of guns is reduced to levels similar to the U.K then just where would your supposed criminals go to steal their weapons?
Think for a moment - it really helps!
Help us think Andrew. How do you propose to reduce guns in America to UK levels without sending armed cops into everybody's home to confiscate weapons. You're idealistic, not realistic.
Drug dealers are opportunists. If they see there's big money selling guns, there will be illegal gun dealers around every corner.
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if the supply of guns is reduced to levels similar to the U.K then just where would your supposed criminals go to steal their weapons?
Think for a moment - it really helps!
Help us think Andrew. How do you propose to reduce guns in America to UK levels without sending armed cops into everybody's home to confiscate weapons. You're idealistic, not realistic.
Drug dealers are opportunists. If they see there's big money selling guns, there will be illegal gun dealers around every corner.
I doubt Andrew thinks there will be overnight change. Stopping the rot is a journey but can you afford not to and do you want to?
It's up to you guys to decide but we can of course observe the problem.
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You are your lot should be so proud! How many young girls were raped by grooming rape gangs over the last 30 years?
The threat of violence is very effective in combating terrorism, which is what it is when gangs can rape young girls with impunity.
Yet it has not been proven that rapes become less with much guns on the street. In fact, most girls when confronted with an unarmed assailant can opt to simply run away, whereas being faced with a criminal with a gun, running away is not an option.
Exactly.
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A. Guns wouldn't have prevented the Muslim sex scandals,
B.removing liberals and the PC culture would have been much better.
A is entirely false! Fathers who owned firearms could not only better protect their daughters, they could put the fear of God into some of the rapists.
B is true however you won't be able to remove the "liberals and the PC culture" if you are not armed and ready for a civil war.
You foolish don't realize that you do believe that some citizens should have firearms. You've allowed those citizens to be the very government that oppresses you with PC culture.
Have a nice day. tiphat
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if the supply of guns is reduced to levels similar to the U.K then just where would your supposed criminals go to steal their weapons?
Think for a moment - it really helps!
Help us think Andrew. How do you propose to reduce guns in America to UK levels without sending armed cops into everybody's home to confiscate weapons. You're idealistic, not realistic.
Drug dealers are opportunists. If they see there's big money selling guns, there will be illegal gun dealers around every corner.
I doubt Andrew thinks there will be overnight change. Stopping the rot is a journey but can you afford not to and do you want to?
It's up to you guys to decide but we can of course observe the problem.
You can take a flying fcuk off a long pier into the frigid Atlantic ocean in the middle of winter. We weren't interest in disarming back when the thugs of King George were trying to steal our liberty and our tax dollars and we're especially not interested in the soft opinions of douche types who don't realize they've already given up the sovereignty of their affairs to the wrong type of people.
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if the supply of guns is reduced to levels similar to the U.K then just where would your supposed criminals go to steal their weapons?
Think for a moment - it really helps!
Help us think Andrew. How do you propose to reduce guns in America to UK levels without sending armed cops into everybody's home to confiscate weapons. You're idealistic, not realistic.
Drug dealers are opportunists. If they see there's big money selling guns, there will be illegal gun dealers around every corner.
:thumbsup:
And as you know there already are illegal gun dealers around nearly every corner in the "gun control" cities of Chicago, Detroit, and WA DC, St. Louis MO and New Orleans.
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miquel westano, it is clear that you did not understand a word of what I wrote up-thread. Sorry about that.
You are wrong. I understood it. I just dont accept it. Pardon my candor here, but just because you said it and I disagree doesn't mean I am not able to grasp your theories. It just means I dont put ,much stock in untested academic theory. I look at real results. Every city in America with aggressive gun control still has massive amounts of violent crime. By Occam's razor, one can deduce gun control is ineffective. Your fine lesson on logistics and economics was appreciated, but considered both completely academic and immaterial by me.
Theft is NOT a common skill set, especially when the items to be stolen are vanishingly rare and when held privately are kept under very tight security?
This comment again makes me think you don't have much real world experience. Possibly, you just dont have any concept of criminals, in America. Property crimes are at all time highs due to the drug problems in America. Theft is an amazingly common skill set, and no security keeps thieves at bay if they are desperate enough.
Think for a moment - it really helps!
Are we going to drop to insults? If so, I will just skip the banter. I assure you I am just as skilled at thinking and just as knowlegable on this issue as you are. Let's stay civil. OK?
The truth is that if a person wants ANYTHING enough then they can obtain it.
My point exactly. When criminals need the tools of their trade, the price and difficulty of obtaining them becomes a non factor. They will get them regardless of cost and potential penalty.
Economic first principals tell us that when the price (not just the money price) is made higher that fewer people will be motivated enough to bother!
You're once again right. The good law abiding citizen is the one that will no longer be motivated to bother. The criminal however, who needs the gun for his "business" will get a gun no matter what the cost or effort required. You just made my point. The ownership of guns will drop dramatically, but only by the law abiding.
Sorry that you didn't read, or understand. It is lack of knowledge that makes people like you so easily manipulated.
Again, I understood your point. It just in my mind is wrong. So let's either stop the snarky comments, or the discussion, OK?
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Sorry that you didn't read, or understand. It is lack of knowledge that makes people like you so easily manipulated.
Again, I understood your point. It just in my mind is wrong. So let's either stop the snarky comments, or the discussion, OK?
MW, Get used to the boorish behavior and lack of style of FiFi. It is his Modus Operandi.
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if the supply of guns is reduced to levels similar to the U.K then just where would your supposed criminals go to steal their weapons?
Think for a moment - it really helps!
Help us think Andrew. How do you propose to reduce guns in America to UK levels without sending armed cops into everybody's home to confiscate weapons. You're idealistic, not realistic.
Drug dealers are opportunists. If they see there's big money selling guns, there will be illegal gun dealers around every corner.
:thumbsup:
And as you know there already are illegal gun dealers around nearly every corner in the "gun control" cities of Chicago, Detroit, and WA DC, St. Louis MO and New Orleans.
Let's bring back Prohibition and also include drugs and firearms in the new law. (:)
Whatever happened to those Tommy Guns? Gonna get one locked and loaded and start "ventilating" the neighborhood. :chuckle:
N.B. Today is the 19th anniversary of the Columbine shooting.
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if the supply of guns is reduced to levels similar to the U.K then just where would your supposed criminals go to steal their weapons?
Think for a moment - it really helps!
Help us think Andrew. How do you propose to reduce guns in America to UK levels without sending armed cops into everybody's home to confiscate weapons. You're idealistic, not realistic.
Drug dealers are opportunists. If they see there's big money selling guns, there will be illegal gun dealers around every corner.
:thumbsup:
And as you know there already are illegal gun dealers around nearly every corner in the "gun control" cities of Chicago, Detroit, and WA DC, St. Louis MO and New Orleans.
Let's bring back Prohibition and also include drugs and firearms in the new law. (:)
Whatever happened to those Tommy Guns? Gonna get one locked and loaded and start "ventilating" the neighborhood. :chuckle:
N.B. Today is the 19th anniversary of the Columbine shooting.
Never believe the official version of events. Your government and the media lie to you on a routine day to day basis.
Submitted by a reader. My comments follow.
Columbine : 101 witnesses can't be wrong
According to the final report of the investigation, only two people--Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17--planned and executed the mass shooting at Columbine High School outside Littleton, Colorado, on April 20, 1999, leaving 15 dead and 23 wounded. But at least 101 eye- and ear- witnesses remembered it differently:
1) Chris Wisher, sophomore (1261) He turned and saw two guys carrying shotguns, and wearing black trench coats. A 3rd guy wearing a white T-shirt and jeans was seen throwing bombs onto the roof.
2) Jake Apodaca, sophomore (653) He was at the soccer field, heard firecrackers. He turned and saw two guys carrying shotguns, wearing black trench coats and black T-shirts. A 3rd guy wearing a white T-shirt and jeans was seen throwing bombs onto the roof.
3) Jonathan Cole, freshman (749) He noticed two tall guys in black trench coats. He then saw a third male, wearing a white T-shirt and blue jeans. This person looked over to the other two suspect, and yelled "GO!! GO!!".
4) William Arapkiles, freshman (660) He states that he was at the soccer field, and heard firecrackers. He turned and saw 3 people near the West entrance. Two were wearing black trench coats, and carrying guns. The third was wearing a white T-shirt, and no visible gun. The person in the white T-shirt was pacing back and forth about 5' away from the two gunmen.
5) Channel 7 News at 12pm(noon) on 4-20 (EP 21-244) "Reporter said that numerous witnesses he spoke to who were not named said they saw 3 gunmen."
6) Lindsay Elmore, junior (332)"I believe there were 3 gunmen." (340) "...there was so much movement that Elmore thought there was more than two people."
7) ACSO Nelson (8810) "... a list of 3 names that the 12 witnesses ID'd from a yearbook were turned over to ACSO investigators to forward."
8) Jason Baer, sophomore (1759) Hid in greenroom off science hall "I heard more than two people yelling to each other saying 'over here' and stuff."
9) Anthony Sammauro, freshman (5071) "Tony stated that two suspects came in the front door and one came in the side door."
10) Erik Sunde, freshman (4576) Saw two gunmen downstairs near cafeteria, runs upstairs and sees another person in trenchcoat in front of library doors.
11) Jon Curtis, staff (2286) Describes 3 attackers.
12) Richard Olejniczak, father of students Alicia and Sarah (5070) "Richard then asked this Investigator what information had been obtained reference any other participants. Richard stated that while he was at Lea Wood Elementary School, waiting for information about his two daughters, he talked with two girls who came from the school. The girls said they had seen two guys in the cafeteria, wearing all black. There were also two guys who entered the main door from the parking lot. One was in black, the other in white. The girls said they all had guns.
13) Adam Campbell, senior (732) Walked out of school at 11:20am(immediately before shooting) on 4-20 and saw Harris in the parking lot with 2 or 3 other guys, wearing a white T-shirt and a backward baseball cap.
14) Matt Katzenmeier, sophomore (5745) Saw 4 subjects carrying bags in, according to Darlene Mesch.
15) Alicia Maes, sophomore (22755) Saw 4 people with trenchcoats and guns, according to Rachel Nelson.
16) Natalie Baker, freshman (2583) Told her mother there were 2 other shooters besides Harris and Klebold.
17) Jennifer Tindall, sophomore (1226) Sees 2 suspects, neither of which is Harris and Klebold.
18) Ryan Ezzie, sophomore (2967) Saw 4 people outside with hats on backwards. On 20612, he says he "...saw at least 4 parties dressed in black standing calmly when others were running."(by the school library)
19) Jordan Grimm, freshman (22432) According to Jordan's aunt, he saw Harris and Klebold and 2 others together ouside school just before the incident began.
20) John Spahlinger (1176) Clement Park maintenance worker, "a majority of the students Spahlinger helped informed him there had been a trench coat mafia gang shooting over at the high school and that there were 4 shooters involved."
21) Thornton/NorthglennPD SWAT Team (EP 9-34) At 11:35pm on 4-20(12 hours later) the team enters CHS for another search. "We were advised that 2 suspects(shooters) might still be in the school."
22) Littleton PO Mike Eyman (8670) Advised that "there were possibly 4 suspects in the school."
23) Nathan Dykeman, senior (trenchcoat mafia associate) "...anyway yes there were 2 more people in the school with handguns but they decided to bail.... eric and dylan went threw with it and the other 2 did not...
24) (8894) "Daphne Baca had listed 4 names of possible suspects. Those names included Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold, Chris Morris, and Robert Perry."
25) Trista Fogerty, freshman (23144) "Trista said she believes, as do most other students, that there were more than 4 people involved in shooting."
26) J. Adams (7422) Construction worker near CHS; he refers to a black BMW and a small tan car drive down his cul-de-sac, followed five minutes later by the sound of bombs. A co-worker says the BMW was filled with 4 teenagers, the tan car which followed it had 2 people in it. (7430)
27) Gary Talocco, teacher (8876) He says that the school roof repairman saw 3 people exit vehicle with Harris and Klebold. Tan vehicle followed them into the lot.
28) Dick Strange (1194) "It was at approximately 11:45am that Strange first observed 4 to 5 individuals, all dressed in black trench coats, standing alongside Columbine High School in the vicinity of the gymnasium."
29) Patrick Vassar, freshman (4691) Sees 4-5 individuals at 11:15am dressed in black walk away from the school, all wearing trench coats, except one, who was wearing cami pants.
30) Seth Biggi, junior (2475) Was told by Courtney Shakowski she saw 4 to 5 tenchoat mafia members enter cafeteria with a big, black duffel bag.
31) Devon Adams, sophomore (10614) Names 3 (Redacted) names as being directly involved in the Columbine shooting--they are not Harris and Klebold.
32) Boulder PD SWAT Timeline (8245) 2130 hours: "2 suspects believed dead inside, 1 arrest, 1-2 other supects/associates."
33) Julie Thomas, passerby eyewitness (ACSO 808) That on 042099 at about 0755 hours, Julie turned onto Polk St. from Pierce St. and saw a small brownish/golden truck parked on the south side of Polk St. 5 male teens around it. At least three of them are wearing black trench coats.
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It is in this context that the very odd aspects of the Columbine shooting need to be examined. Looking back from a time when we know the government lied about weapons of mass destruction, and with 84% of Americans no longer trusting the official story of 9-11, it is valid to ask if Columbine was a staged event to trick Americans into surrendering their Second Amendment rights.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/columbineeight.php
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if the supply of guns is reduced to levels similar to the U.K then just where would your supposed criminals go to steal their weapons?
Think for a moment - it really helps!
Help us think Andrew. How do you propose to reduce guns in America to UK levels without sending armed cops into everybody's home to confiscate weapons. You're idealistic, not realistic.
Drug dealers are opportunists. If they see there's big money selling guns, there will be illegal gun dealers around every corner.
:thumbsup:
And as you know there already are illegal gun dealers around nearly every corner in the "gun control" cities of Chicago, Detroit, and WA DC, St. Louis MO and New Orleans.
Let's bring back Prohibition and also include drugs and firearms in the new law. (:)
Whatever happened to those Tommy Guns? Gonna get one locked and loaded and start "ventilating" the neighborhood. :chuckle:
N.B. Today is the 19th anniversary of the Columbine shooting.
Never believe the official version of events. Your government and the media lie to you on a routine day to day basis.
Submitted by a reader. My comments follow.
Columbine : 101 witnesses can't be wrong
According to the final report of the investigation, only two people--Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17--planned and executed the mass shooting at Columbine High School outside Littleton, Colorado, on April 20, 1999, leaving 15 dead and 23 wounded. But at least 101 eye- and ear- witnesses remembered it differently:
1) Chris Wisher, sophomore (1261) He turned and saw two guys carrying shotguns, and wearing black trench coats. A 3rd guy wearing a white T-shirt and jeans was seen throwing bombs onto the roof.
2) Jake Apodaca, sophomore (653) He was at the soccer field, heard firecrackers. He turned and saw two guys carrying shotguns, wearing black trench coats and black T-shirts. A 3rd guy wearing a white T-shirt and jeans was seen throwing bombs onto the roof.
3) Jonathan Cole, freshman (749) He noticed two tall guys in black trench coats. He then saw a third male, wearing a white T-shirt and blue jeans. This person looked over to the other two suspect, and yelled "GO!! GO!!".
4) William Arapkiles, freshman (660) He states that he was at the soccer field, and heard firecrackers. He turned and saw 3 people near the West entrance. Two were wearing black trench coats, and carrying guns. The third was wearing a white T-shirt, and no visible gun. The person in the white T-shirt was pacing back and forth about 5' away from the two gunmen.
5) Channel 7 News at 12pm(noon) on 4-20 (EP 21-244) "Reporter said that numerous witnesses he spoke to who were not named said they saw 3 gunmen."
6) Lindsay Elmore, junior (332)"I believe there were 3 gunmen." (340) "...there was so much movement that Elmore thought there was more than two people."
7) ACSO Nelson (8810) "... a list of 3 names that the 12 witnesses ID'd from a yearbook were turned over to ACSO investigators to forward."
8) Jason Baer, sophomore (1759) Hid in greenroom off science hall "I heard more than two people yelling to each other saying 'over here' and stuff."
9) Anthony Sammauro, freshman (5071) "Tony stated that two suspects came in the front door and one came in the side door."
10) Erik Sunde, freshman (4576) Saw two gunmen downstairs near cafeteria, runs upstairs and sees another person in trenchcoat in front of library doors.
11) Jon Curtis, staff (2286) Describes 3 attackers.
12) Richard Olejniczak, father of students Alicia and Sarah (5070) "Richard then asked this Investigator what information had been obtained reference any other participants. Richard stated that while he was at Lea Wood Elementary School, waiting for information about his two daughters, he talked with two girls who came from the school. The girls said they had seen two guys in the cafeteria, wearing all black. There were also two guys who entered the main door from the parking lot. One was in black, the other in white. The girls said they all had guns.
13) Adam Campbell, senior (732) Walked out of school at 11:20am(immediately before shooting) on 4-20 and saw Harris in the parking lot with 2 or 3 other guys, wearing a white T-shirt and a backward baseball cap.
14) Matt Katzenmeier, sophomore (5745) Saw 4 subjects carrying bags in, according to Darlene Mesch.
15) Alicia Maes, sophomore (22755) Saw 4 people with trenchcoats and guns, according to Rachel Nelson.
16) Natalie Baker, freshman (2583) Told her mother there were 2 other shooters besides Harris and Klebold.
17) Jennifer Tindall, sophomore (1226) Sees 2 suspects, neither of which is Harris and Klebold.
18) Ryan Ezzie, sophomore (2967) Saw 4 people outside with hats on backwards. On 20612, he says he "...saw at least 4 parties dressed in black standing calmly when others were running."(by the school library)
19) Jordan Grimm, freshman (22432) According to Jordan's aunt, he saw Harris and Klebold and 2 others together ouside school just before the incident began.
20) John Spahlinger (1176) Clement Park maintenance worker, "a majority of the students Spahlinger helped informed him there had been a trench coat mafia gang shooting over at the high school and that there were 4 shooters involved."
21) Thornton/NorthglennPD SWAT Team (EP 9-34) At 11:35pm on 4-20(12 hours later) the team enters CHS for another search. "We were advised that 2 suspects(shooters) might still be in the school."
22) Littleton PO Mike Eyman (8670) Advised that "there were possibly 4 suspects in the school."
23) Nathan Dykeman, senior (trenchcoat mafia associate) "...anyway yes there were 2 more people in the school with handguns but they decided to bail.... eric and dylan went threw with it and the other 2 did not...
24) (8894) "Daphne Baca had listed 4 names of possible suspects. Those names included Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold, Chris Morris, and Robert Perry."
25) Trista Fogerty, freshman (23144) "Trista said she believes, as do most other students, that there were more than 4 people involved in shooting."
26) J. Adams (7422) Construction worker near CHS; he refers to a black BMW and a small tan car drive down his cul-de-sac, followed five minutes later by the sound of bombs. A co-worker says the BMW was filled with 4 teenagers, the tan car which followed it had 2 people in it. (7430)
27) Gary Talocco, teacher (8876) He says that the school roof repairman saw 3 people exit vehicle with Harris and Klebold. Tan vehicle followed them into the lot.
28) Dick Strange (1194) "It was at approximately 11:45am that Strange first observed 4 to 5 individuals, all dressed in black trench coats, standing alongside Columbine High School in the vicinity of the gymnasium."
29) Patrick Vassar, freshman (4691) Sees 4-5 individuals at 11:15am dressed in black walk away from the school, all wearing trench coats, except one, who was wearing cami pants.
30) Seth Biggi, junior (2475) Was told by Courtney Shakowski she saw 4 to 5 tenchoat mafia members enter cafeteria with a big, black duffel bag.
31) Devon Adams, sophomore (10614) Names 3 (Redacted) names as being directly involved in the Columbine shooting--they are not Harris and Klebold.
32) Boulder PD SWAT Timeline (8245) 2130 hours: "2 suspects believed dead inside, 1 arrest, 1-2 other supects/associates."
33) Julie Thomas, passerby eyewitness (ACSO 808) That on 042099 at about 0755 hours, Julie turned onto Polk St. from Pierce St. and saw a small brownish/golden truck parked on the south side of Polk St. 5 male teens around it. At least three of them are wearing black trench coats.
.....
It is in this context that the very odd aspects of the Columbine shooting need to be examined. Looking back from a time when we know the government lied about weapons of mass destruction, and with 84% of Americans no longer trusting the official story of 9-11, it is valid to ask if Columbine was a staged event to trick Americans into surrendering their Second Amendment rights.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/columbineeight.php
Note that everything that has been reported since the ape-man emerged from the trees has been made up.
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Note that everything that has been reported since the ape-man emerged from the trees has been made up.
Listen, I am certain the earth is flat and that we never reached the moon!
Please Confederbrain do not let me down!
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Those who take the time to read the link and other sources would know that some very credible witnesses believe there were 2-3 other accomplices involved in Columbine, accomplices who got away while the two it was pinned on are dead.
However as always the media misinforms people, whether deliberately or through incompetence, when they omit material facts due to a preferred official version.
As can be seen with the Skripal event in Salisbury and the recent alleged chemical weapons attack in Douma, the media is not always reliable and government editors embedded in the MSM always get the final say on what you will be told. :coffeeread:
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. . . As can be seen with the Skripal event in Salisbury and the recent alleged chemical weapons attack in Douma, the media is not always reliable and government editors embedded in the MSM always get the final say on what you will be told.
This is true.
Yet I have met people and there are those here that can find a conspiracy in EVERYTHING. I find this mentality challenging.
Yes I listened to some one argue and try to prove the earth is flat. And there are numerous differing theories on the internet that NASA never landed on the moon.
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I doubt Andrew thinks there will be overnight change. Stopping the rot is a journey but can you afford not to and do you want to?
It's up to you guys to decide but we can of course observe the problem.
When you get the UK economically and militarily powerful enough to single handedly provide for your own and other nations security, then you can wonder what problems America has. Fix your own problems before worrying about ours.
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I doubt Andrew thinks there will be overnight change. Stopping the rot is a journey but can you afford not to and do you want to?
It's up to you guys to decide but we can of course observe the problem.
When you get the UK economically and militarily powerful enough to single handedly provide for your own and other nations security, then you can wonder what problems America has. Fix your own problems before worrying about ours.
provide for your own and other nations security. aa thats what you call it "Security". :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
You think we are all bloody stupid!
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So, Billy, you have changed your mind and there's no gun problem in the usa? What changed?
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So, Billy, you have changed your mind and there's no gun problem in the usa? What changed?
And now we have a naked gunman killed three in Tennessee, what a fooked up country the US and A is, maybe they should be investigated and forced to give up their WOMD/guns?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43855097
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So, Billy, you have changed your mind and there's no gun problem in the usa? What changed?
I know the question was for Billy, but I would like to put in my take. There is no gun problem in America. There is a culture problem, a respect of authority problem and certainly a violent crime problem. Anti gunners have conveniently switched the word crime with gun, the word violence with gun, the words lack of authority with guns. But the fact is, the problem in America isn't with guns. As evidenced by the massive amount of legal gun ownership that never results in crime.
Please stop switching the words if you want your arguments to have any merit. Taking away an inanimate object doesn't change the behavior of criminals. It only makes them find other tools, or the same tools in other ways.
I never hear gun ownership opponents talk about the people committing the crimes. Those people are almost always known to be violent, known to be on some form of mental illness treatment, and usually already known to law enforcement. The are never normal law abiding American citizens. It is time to fight the criminal, not the tool.
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Read this on another forum I'm on (not fsu related fyi), thought it summed things up pretty good....
We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics.
Funny how that works.
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Read this on another forum I'm on (not fsu related fyi), thought it summed things up pretty good....
We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics.
Funny how that works.
It is a true statement, and I always thought it said a lot about the open minds of the "conservatives" and the closed minds of the "liberals". The liberals also will paint with a very broad brush when it suits their needs, and scream bloody murder when the other side does it to suit theirs.
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I doubt Andrew thinks there will be overnight change. Stopping the rot is a journey but can you afford not to and do you want to?
It's up to you guys to decide but we can of course observe the problem.
When you get the UK economically and militarily powerful enough to single handedly provide for your own and other nations security, then you can wonder what problems America has. Fix your own problems before worrying about ours.
provide for your own and other nations security. aa thats what you call it "Security". :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
You think we are all bloody stupid!
Well you are letting your kids get butt :censored: ed by Muslims and are apparently in some sort of race with Sweden to see who gets to be Europe's first Islamic Republic. But other than that, no. :chuckle:
B/B
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So, Billy, you have changed your mind and there's no gun problem in the usa? What changed?
Where did I change my mind? Because I asked for your solution to reduce guns doesn't mean I changed my mind.
Culture is behind a lot of violence and gun homicides. African Americans here are just as violent as Africans living in Africa. Hispanics here are just as violent as those living in Central and South America. Caucasians here are just as violent as those living in Europe.
Like it or not, rights to own guns is written in a bill of rights guaranteed for American citizens called the Constitution. It's the Second Amendments so you get an idea how important it was back then to get it written down. Most of America would have to think like you and eventually vote in politicians with a majority enough to remove Constitutional rights. Not just pertaining to guns, but powerful enough to remove any rights. That would be a dangerous government. A vote by a person like you is dangerous. You think guns by citizens kill. Just vote in a government hostile to citizens and see how aggressive they can get. Like it or not, guns is an American right just as speech and freedom of religion are. We have to protect all those rights and the moment the government thinks we're okay giving up one and granting them the power, they will be powerful enough to take it all away.
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I doubt Andrew thinks there will be overnight change. Stopping the rot is a journey but can you afford not to and do you want to?
It's up to you guys to decide but we can of course observe the problem.
When you get the UK economically and militarily powerful enough to single handedly provide for your own and other nations security, then you can wonder what problems America has. Fix your own problems before worrying about ours.
You say it as though "other nations" want your security. The fact is your country is militarizing the planet, for the benefit of the US of A, not the "other nations".
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So, Billy, you have changed your mind and there's no gun problem in the usa? What changed?
Where did I change my mind? Because I asked for your solution to reduce guns doesn't mean I changed my mind.
Culture is behind a lot of violence and gun homicides. African Americans here are just as violent as Africans living in Africa. Hispanics here are just as violent as those living in Central and South America. Caucasians here are just as violent as those living in Europe.
Like it or not, rights to own guns is written in a bill of rights guaranteed for American citizens called the Constitution. It's the Second Amendments so you get an idea how important it was back then to get it written down. Most of America would have to think like you and eventually vote in politicians with a majority enough to remove Constitutional rights. Not just pertaining to guns, but powerful enough to remove any rights. That would be a dangerous government. A vote by a person like you is dangerous. You think guns by citizens kill. Just vote in a government hostile to citizens and see how aggressive they can get. Like it or not, guns is an American right just as speech and freedom of religion are. We have to protect all those rights and the moment the government thinks we're okay giving up one and granting them the power, they will be powerful enough to take it all away.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: It's too funny. People getting mowed down every day in public spaces in America, but Andrew's vote would be more dangerous. Come back to me on that when you get shot up in the McDonald's! Keep shooting each other guys, we could use less of you! :laugh: :laugh:
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I doubt Andrew thinks there will be overnight change. Stopping the rot is a journey but can you afford not to and do you want to?
It's up to you guys to decide but we can of course observe the problem.
When you get the UK economically and militarily powerful enough to single handedly provide for your own and other nations security, then you can wonder what problems America has. Fix your own problems before worrying about ours.
provide for your own and other nations security. aa thats what you call it "Security". :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
You think we are all bloody stupid!
Well you are letting your kids get butt :censored: ed by Muslims and are apparently in some sort of race with Sweden to see who gets to be Europe's first Islamic Republic. But other than that, no. :chuckle:
B/B
Im not letting anyone get but ***** I left the shit hole country!! But sure 100% It does not need US SECURITY!! Security is not the problem!! Its the liberal nutters ***** up the UK!!
No one needs your stupid security!! Just dumb asses ... in any case please don't send any of your stupid troops any where near my back yard...the only people who need your security are weak nations where you can blackmail them , then build concentration camps (Opps sorry I mean rendition camps) in their forests.. :'( :'( :'(
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You say it as though "other nations" want your security. The fact is your country is militarizing the planet, for the benefit of the US of A, not the "other nations".
Militarizing the planet? Why do you think nations want military on their soil instead of more pleasant idea of moving toward pacifism? There's always somebody out there that wants what you have. Of course America benefits providing security for others. A peaceful world is healthy for the economy. It's a good thing cartographers are unemployed or do you think it's good they have full time work?
America's troops are in almost 150 nations in the world. Make a list and let me know which countries we are in by force and which countries invited us to help with their security?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_deployments
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You say it as though "other nations" want your security. The fact is your country is militarizing the planet, for the benefit of the US of A, not the "other nations".
Militarizing the planet? Why do you think nations want military on their soil instead of more pleasant idea of moving toward pacifism? There's always somebody out there that wants what you have. Of course America benefits providing security for others. A peaceful world is healthy for the economy. It's a good thing cartographers are unemployed or do you think it's good they have full time work?
America's troops are in almost 150 nations in the world. Make a list and let me know which countries we are in by force and which countries invited us to help with their security?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_deployments
You are on some serious drugs over there and hallucinating big time!!! Stay away from the windows or you may do something stupid!! 911 !!!! :sick0012:
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You say it as though "other nations" want your security. The fact is your country is militarizing the planet, for the benefit of the US of A, not the "other nations".
Militarizing the planet? Why do you think nations want military on their soil instead of more pleasant idea of moving toward pacifism? There's always somebody out there that wants what you have. Of course America benefits providing security for others. A peaceful world is healthy for the economy. It's a good thing cartographers are unemployed or do you think it's good they have full time work?
America's troops are in almost 150 nations in the world. Make a list and let me know which countries we are in by force and which countries invited us to help with their security?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_deployments
"Invited us to help with their security", lol, you ARE living in a delusion. Do you know, every weapon has a manufacturing stamp, and there's just a few countries that are filling the world with weapons? Did you know that Africans are killing each other these days with American arms distributed in Afghanistan? Did you know your government is run by the military industrial complex? It was one of your Presidents that said it first, as a warning, but NOBODY FCKUING LISTENED, and now we have people like you saying, "oh, they have invited us to help with their security"!!!! :ROFL: ???
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Lockheed Martin thanks you for your support.
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I doubt Andrew thinks there will be overnight change. Stopping the rot is a journey but can you afford not to and do you want to?
It's up to you guys to decide but we can of course observe the problem.
When you get the UK economically and militarily powerful enough to single handedly provide for your own and other nations security, then you can wonder what problems America has. Fix your own problems before worrying about ours.
provide for your own and other nations security. aa thats what you call it "Security". :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
You think we are all bloody stupid!
Well you are letting your kids get butt :censored: ed by Muslims and are apparently in some sort of race with Sweden to see who gets to be Europe's first Islamic Republic. But other than that, no. :chuckle:
B/B
Go take your Yankee shit some where else Mexico ?? Go make some torture camps on your own dirty soil..
If one US troop ever sets foot in my back yard , it will be the last back yard he ever visits... :laugh:
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I doubt Andrew thinks there will be overnight change. Stopping the rot is a journey but can you afford not to and do you want to?
It's up to you guys to decide but we can of course observe the problem.
When you get the UK economically and militarily powerful enough to single handedly provide for your own and other nations security, then you can wonder what problems America has. Fix your own problems before worrying about ours.
provide for your own and other nations security. aa thats what you call it "Security". :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
You think we are all bloody stupid!
Well you are letting your kids get butt :censored: ed by Muslims and are apparently in some sort of race with Sweden to see who gets to be Europe's first Islamic Republic. But other than that, no. :chuckle:
B/B
Go take your Yankee shit some where else Mexico ?? Go make some torture camps on your own dirty soil..
If one US troop ever sets foot in my back yard , it will be the last back yard he ever visits... :laugh:
What, Poland allowed secret American renditions? Poland has also "invited us to come protect them" and also just made their biggest military purchase ever, from the USA. Lockheed Martin is definitely happy. Russia isn't and normal people everywhere aren't. And no one will be happy when WW3 starts because of the US wrecklessly splashing out weaponry all over the world. You think this is great Billy? Either you're going to get done up in a McDonalds or Nuked soon, according to the way you think the world works!
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What, Poland allowed secret American renditions? Poland has also "invited us to come protect them" and also just made their biggest military purchase ever, from the USA. Lockheed Martin is definitely happy. Russia isn't and normal people everywhere aren't. And no one will be happy when WW3 starts because of the US wrecklessly splashing out weaponry all over the world. You think this is great Billy? Either you're going to get done up in a McDonalds or Nuked soon, according to the way you think the world works!
Exporters of military weapons while with out doubt the United States sells more than any other country. Russia is not exactly shabby in there exports. In fact with the exception of petroleum products, military equipment is the second greatest export of Russia. By some metrics Russia exceeds the States.
The reality that in the United States there are companies such as Apple, Proctor & Gamble and General Motors and they also export non military products. What does Russia besides misery and chaos export?
As BillyB notes the reality is there is indeed a culture problem with the attitude of segments of the population in The United States. This is a guess if you looked at the number of crimes statistically committed with a 'legal' weapon you find that this percentage is in line with a majority of Western countries.
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I doubt Andrew thinks there will be overnight change. Stopping the rot is a journey but can you afford not to and do you want to?
It's up to you guys to decide but we can of course observe the problem.
When you get the UK economically and militarily powerful enough to single handedly provide for your own and other nations security, then you can wonder what problems America has. Fix your own problems before worrying about ours.
provide for your own and other nations security. aa thats what you call it "Security"
You think we are all bloody stupid!
Well you are letting your kids get butt :censored: ed by Muslims and are apparently in some sort of race with Sweden to see who gets to be Europe's first Islamic Republic. But other than that, no. :chuckle:
B/B
Yes Steve we not only think it we know it! :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
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Did you know that Africans are killing each other these days with American arms distributed in Afghanistan?
Do you prefer they use Russian made weapons? There's usually at least two sides to every conflict. One side will be supported by America and the other, Russia. When your friends ask for help, I'm sure you won't help since conflict is beneath you and you like to maintain higher standards.
If one US troop ever sets foot in my back yard , it will be the last back yard he ever visits... :laugh:
I'm sure you're a man of principle and you won't compromise your principles. You're doing your part saving FSU women from marrying current and ex American military soldiers by refusing to do business with them. You're making sure FSU women don't make the mistake of moving to the Hell called America.
Or if you do compromise your principles a little, you'd take their American money and bad mouth them behind their backs to the girls they're visiting.
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What, Poland allowed secret American renditions? Poland has also "invited us to come protect them" and also just made their biggest military purchase ever, from the USA. Lockheed Martin is definitely happy. Russia isn't and normal people everywhere aren't. And no one will be happy when WW3 starts because of the US wrecklessly splashing out weaponry all over the world. You think this is great Billy? Either you're going to get done up in a McDonalds or Nuked soon, according to the way you think the world works!
Exporters of military weapons while with out doubt the United States sells more than any other country. Russia is not exactly shabby in there exports. In fact with the exception of petroleum products, military equipment is the second greatest export of Russia. By some metrics Russia exceeds the States.
The reality that in the United States there are companies such as Apple, Proctor & Gamble and General Motors and they also export non military products. What does Russia besides misery and chaos export?
As BillyB notes the reality is there is indeed a culture problem with the attitude of segments of the population in The United States. This is a guess if you looked at the number of crimes statistically committed with a 'legal' weapon you find that this percentage is in line with a majority of Western countries.
Russia exports high quality aluminum
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What, Poland allowed secret American renditions? Poland has also "invited us to come protect them" and also just made their biggest military purchase ever, from the USA. Lockheed Martin is definitely happy. Russia isn't and normal people everywhere aren't. And no one will be happy when WW3 starts because of the US wrecklessly splashing out weaponry all over the world. You think this is great Billy? Either you're going to get done up in a McDonalds or Nuked soon, according to the way you think the world works!
Exporters of military weapons while with out doubt the United States sells more than any other country. Russia is not exactly shabby in there exports. In fact with the exception of petroleum products, military equipment is the second greatest export of Russia. By some metrics Russia exceeds the States.
The reality that in the United States there are companies such as Apple, Proctor & Gamble and General Motors and they also export non military products. What does Russia besides misery and chaos export?
As BillyB notes the reality is there is indeed a culture problem with the attitude of segments of the population in The United States. This is a guess if you looked at the number of crimes statistically committed with a 'legal' weapon you find that this percentage is in line with a majority of Western countries.
Russia exports high quality aluminum
Tin foil for hats? :chuckle:
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I would like to know if anyone on here can cite a place in America where gun control has made people safer? I contend there is not one example here in America where strict gun laws have worked. Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC, St Louis, LA California, Baltimore, Cleveland, etc. The big cities with massive gun control are cesspools of crime.
We have passed gun law after gun law for years. In the 60's, when i was a teen, the push was to ban "Saturday Night Specials", as they were called. Like usual the definition of them was vague and fluid. Anti gunners moved guns in and out of this definition to fit their needs. Their logic was, getting rid of cheap guns would make them too expensive for criminals. How did that work? Criminals now carry Glocks and Uzis instead of cheap .25 autos. Proving, cost means little to criminals, since they usually steal the guns or buy them with money made from other criminal activities.
I was around when we banned "assualt weapons and high capacity semi autos" under Clinton. How did that work? It was so innefective the law was reversed.
We are told, we need more laws to stop mentally defective people from getting firearms. But, those laws are already on the books. They just are not enforced. The latest shooter at the waffle house was a nut, known to authorities, who's guns were confiscated. But his guns were given back to his dad, dad gave them back to the kid, and naturally the mentally defective kid used them. He didn't use them because the guns were evil. He used them because he was evil and a nut. Why wasn't he put in a mental ward or prison? Simple, the same folks who want me to surrender my rights, want him to have full rights even thoush he was a mental defective.
Laws dont stop lawbreakers and never will. Let's see an example of any place in america where these "common sense" laws work.
The phony gun law pushing politicians dont believe in gun laws or gun free zones. If they did, they wouldnt have armed security escorts, live in gated guarded neighborhoods and have metal detctors and searches at their speaking events. If they believed in the crap they try to push on us, they would just post the damn gun free zone sign and leave the guards behind. They know gun laws dont stop any criminals or nuts. And gun free zone signs just draw shooters like honey draws flies.
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I would like to know if anyone on here can cite a place in America where gun control has made people safer? I contend there is not one example here in America where strict gun laws have worked. Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC, St Louis, LA California, Baltimore, Cleveland, etc. The big cities with massive gun control are cesspools of crime.
We have passed gun law after gun law for years. In the 60's, when i was a teen, the push was to ban "Saturday Night Specials", as they were called. Like usual the definition of them was vague and fluid. Anti gunners moved guns in and out of this definition to fit their needs. Their logic was, getting rid of cheap guns would make them too expensive for criminals. How did that work? Criminals now carry Glocks and Uzis instead of cheap .25 autos. Proving, cost means little to criminals, since they usually steal the guns or buy them with money made from other criminal activities.
I was around when we banned "assualt weapons and high capacity semi autos" under Clinton. How did that work? It was so innefective the law was reversed.
We are told, we need more laws to stop mentally defective people from getting firearms. But, those laws are already on the books. They just are not enforced. The latest shooter at the waffle house was a nut, known to authorities, who's guns were confiscated. But his guns were given back to his dad, dad gave them back to the kid, and naturally the mentally defective kid used them. He didn't use them because the guns were evil. He used them because he was evil and a nut. Why wasn't he put in a mental ward or prison? Simple, the same folks who want me to surrender my rights, want him to have full rights even thoush he was a mental defective.
Laws dont stop lawbreakers and never will. Let's see an example of any place in america where these "common sense" laws work.
The phony gun law pushing politicians dont believe in gun laws or gun free zones. If they did, they wouldnt have armed security escorts, live in gated guarded neighborhoods and have metal detctors and searches at their speaking events. If they believed in the crap they try to push on us, they would just post the damn gun free zone sign and leave the guards behind. They know gun laws dont stop any criminals or nuts. And gun free zone signs just draw shooters like honey draws flies.
Try Boston
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The latest shooter at the waffle house was a nut, known to authorities, who's guns were confiscated. But his guns were given back to his dad, dad gave them back to the kid, and naturally the mentally defective kid used them.
This is a problem. A similar thing happened in the Sandy Hook shooting. Everyone knew that Adam Lanza was a :censored: tard, yet his mum, who wanted to "engage him" and "teach him responsibility" somehow thought that taking him to the range and turning him into a trained killer was a good idea. FCUK if she wanted to "engage him" how about coin collecting or board games? If she wanted to "teach him responsibility" then get him a fcuking puppy. But nooooooooo let's take him to the range.
Dumb, dumb, dumb.
And gun free zone signs just draw shooters like honey draws flies.
Note how few people commit mass shooting a gun ranges. Sometimes, evidently, there are suicides, but mass shooters don't go to the range because their "victims" would shoot back.
B/B
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I would like to know if anyone on here can cite a place in America where gun control has made people safer? I contend there is not one example here in America where strict gun laws have worked. Chicago, Detroit, Washington DC, St Louis, LA California, Baltimore, Cleveland, etc. The big cities with massive gun control are cesspools of crime.
We have passed gun law after gun law for years. In the 60's, when i was a teen, the push was to ban "Saturday Night Specials", as they were called. Like usual the definition of them was vague and fluid. Anti gunners moved guns in and out of this definition to fit their needs. Their logic was, getting rid of cheap guns would make them too expensive for criminals. How did that work? Criminals now carry Glocks and Uzis instead of cheap .25 autos. Proving, cost means little to criminals, since they usually steal the guns or buy them with money made from other criminal activities.
I was around when we banned "assualt weapons and high capacity semi autos" under Clinton. How did that work? It was so innefective the law was reversed.
We are told, we need more laws to stop mentally defective people from getting firearms. But, those laws are already on the books. They just are not enforced. The latest shooter at the waffle house was a nut, known to authorities, who's guns were confiscated. But his guns were given back to his dad, dad gave them back to the kid, and naturally the mentally defective kid used them. He didn't use them because the guns were evil. He used them because he was evil and a nut. Why wasn't he put in a mental ward or prison? Simple, the same folks who want me to surrender my rights, want him to have full rights even thoush he was a mental defective.
Laws dont stop lawbreakers and never will. Let's see an example of any place in america where these "common sense" laws work.
The phony gun law pushing politicians dont believe in gun laws or gun free zones. If they did, they wouldnt have armed security escorts, live in gated guarded neighborhoods and have metal detctors and searches at their speaking events. If they believed in the crap they try to push on us, they would just post the damn gun free zone sign and leave the guards behind. They know gun laws dont stop any criminals or nuts. And gun free zone signs just draw shooters like honey draws flies.
Try Boston
Doesn't seem to be working there either:
Nationwide, the number of people who were murdered in the first half of the year rose to 3,081 from 2,994 for the same time period last year.
https://www.necn.com/news/new-england/Survey-Finds-Boston-Ranks-46-in-Highest-Murder-Rate-460274723.html
Once again the gun laws don't seem to affect the murder rate near as much as the local culture.
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This is a problem. A similar thing happened in the Sandy Hook shooting. Everyone knew that Adam Lanza was a :censored: tard, yet his mum, who wanted to "engage him" and "teach him responsibility" somehow thought that taking him to the range and turning him into a trained killer was a good idea. FCUK if she wanted to "engage him" how about coin collecting or board games? If she wanted to "teach him responsibility" then get him a fcuking puppy. But nooooooooo let's take him to the range.
Wrong.
The mother who was the first to die repeatedly contacted officials to commit her son. I knew her. They informed her they were powerless because of his age.
Teaching A. Lanza to use firearms was done years earlier. A. Lanza had a fascination with the Columbine Shooting. While the mother loved her sons she was deeply concerned about him.
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So, Billy, you have changed your mind and there's no gun problem in the usa? What changed?
And now we have a naked gunman killed three in Tennessee, what a fooked up country the US and A is, maybe they should be investigated and forced to give up their WOMD/guns?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43855097
Wrong. The gunman was NOT naked. He had on a coat so at least his top half of his torso was covered up. :chuckle:
Four people — three of them black and one Hispanic — were killed and four others injured before a customer wrestled the weapon away and Reinking, who is white, ran out, police said
Looks like a possible hate crime.
Last July, Reinking was arrested by the U.S. Secret Service after he entered a restricted area near the White House and refused to leave, saying he wanted to meet President Donald Trump.
Apparently, the guy had some kind of message for the President. :duh:
In May 2016, Reinking told deputies from Tazewell County, Illinois, that music superstar Taylor Swift was stalking him and hacking his phone, and that his family was also involved.
More delusions of grandeur. :chuckle:
But he said deputies returned the guns to Reinking's father on the promise he would "keep the weapons secure and out of the possession of Travis."
Reinking's father "has now acknowledged giving them back" to his son,
So is the father an accessory to murder? :-\
https://www.yahoo.com/news/news/waffle-house-suspect-still-being-sought-residents-alert-051218724.html
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Teaching A. Lanza to use firearms was done years earlier. A. Lanza had a fascination with the Columbine Shooting. While the mother loved her sons she was deeply concerned about him.
Don't know if this is actually true or not, but I had heard on a documentary on A. Lanza that the reason why he went to the elementary school was to "liberate" the young children who he saw as being "controlled" in the school system. He looked to end this control by shooting them. :(
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This is a problem. A similar thing happened in the Sandy Hook shooting. Everyone knew that Adam Lanza was a :censored: tard, yet his mum, who wanted to "engage him" and "teach him responsibility" somehow thought that taking him to the range and turning him into a trained killer was a good idea. FCUK if she wanted to "engage him" how about coin collecting or board games? If she wanted to "teach him responsibility" then get him a fcuking puppy. But nooooooooo let's take him to the range.
Wrong.
The mother who was the first to die repeatedly contacted officials to commit her son. I knew her. They informed her they were powerless because of his age.
Teaching A. Lanza to use firearms was done years earlier. A. Lanza had a fascination with the Columbine Shooting. While the mother loved her sons she was deeply concerned about him.
Then pack the guns up and store them at the range or with the dad....anywhere but where her son go get hold of them.
B/B
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This is a problem. A similar thing happened in the Sandy Hook shooting. Everyone knew that Adam Lanza was a :censored: tard, yet his mum, who wanted to "engage him" and "teach him responsibility" somehow thought that taking him to the range and turning him into a trained killer was a good idea. FCUK if she wanted to "engage him" how about coin collecting or board games? If she wanted to "teach him responsibility" then get him a fcuking puppy. But nooooooooo let's take him to the range.
Wrong.
The mother who was the first to die repeatedly contacted officials to commit her son. I knew her. They informed her they were powerless because of his age.
Teaching A. Lanza to use firearms was done years earlier. A. Lanza had a fascination with the Columbine Shooting. While the mother loved her sons she was deeply concerned about him.
Then pack the guns up and store them at the range or with the dad....anywhere but where her son go get hold of them.
B/B
In hindsight, true.
A mutual friend asked were the guns in a cabinet and trigger locked. The answer was yes, I tend to doubt this.
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This is a problem. A similar thing happened in the Sandy Hook shooting. Everyone knew that Adam Lanza was a :censored: tard, yet his mum, who wanted to "engage him" and "teach him responsibility" somehow thought that taking him to the range and turning him into a trained killer was a good idea. FCUK if she wanted to "engage him" how about coin collecting or board games? If she wanted to "teach him responsibility" then get him a fcuking puppy. But nooooooooo let's take him to the range.
Wrong.
The mother who was the first to die repeatedly contacted officials to commit her son. I knew her. They informed her they were powerless because of his age.
Teaching A. Lanza to use firearms was done years earlier. A. Lanza had a fascination with the Columbine Shooting. While the mother loved her sons she was deeply concerned about him.
That shows as a quote from me. But I do not believe that is correct. I think that was another poster. (just checked, and that was posted by someone else. #952 I believe it was).
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Four people — three of them black and one Hispanic — were killed and four others injured before a customer wrestled the weapon away and Reinking, who is white, ran out, police said
Looks like a possible hate crime.
This is a problem I have with "hate crimes". It will simply be "assumed". It may be appropriate, such as with Dylann Roof, but so far, this is a crazy guy who went to a Waffle House.
B/B
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In hindsight, true.
If you' have a relative who you're trying to get committed, it shouldn't take hindsight to figure out that you need to secure your firearms.
Back when my folks were still alive and I would visit for various holidays, one of the things I would do would be to secure my dad's firearms before the younger members of the family arrived. I did teach them how to be "gun safe", after discussing it with their parents, but why take chances?
A mutual friend asked were the guns in a cabinet and trigger locked. The answer was yes, I tend to doubt this.
As I understand it, police found a gun safe, open, in the home. The guns were either not secured, or he knew the combination to the safe, etc. The impression I get is that she was in denial about how messed up he was.
B/B
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In hindsight, true.
If you' have a relative who you're trying to get committed, it shouldn't take hindsight to figure out that you need to secure your firearms.
Back when my folks were still alive and I would visit for various holidays, one of the things I would do would be to secure my dad's firearms before the younger members of the family arrived. I did teach them how to be "gun safe", after discussing it with their parents, but why take chances?
A mutual friend asked were the guns in a cabinet and trigger locked. The answer was yes, I tend to doubt this.
As I understand it, police found a gun safe, open, in the home. The guns were either not secured, or he knew the combination to the safe, etc. The impression I get is that she was in denial about how messed up he was.
B/B
She was not in denial, but she did not recognize how unhinged her son was. She wanted help for him but never in the times we spoke indicated that he was a threat to others, including her self.
If you went to the average mother and said your son is a sicko/mental case, I suspect most mothers (and fathers) would be in denial.
As for the gun case I suspect A. Lanza knew the lock combination. For what it is worth the mother often left both her keys and purse when we met at a local eatery on the table. She was was a decent person, a bit of a hard line uber conservative.
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This is a problem. A similar thing happened in the Sandy Hook shooting. Everyone knew that Adam Lanza was a :censored: tard, yet his mum, who wanted to "engage him" and "teach him responsibility" somehow thought that taking him to the range and turning him into a trained killer was a good idea. FCUK if she wanted to "engage him" how about coin collecting or board games? If she wanted to "teach him responsibility" then get him a fcuking puppy. But nooooooooo let's take him to the range.
Wrong.
The mother who was the first to die repeatedly contacted officials to commit her son. I knew her. They informed her they were powerless because of his age.
Teaching A. Lanza to use firearms was done years earlier. A. Lanza had a fascination with the Columbine Shooting. While the mother loved her sons she was deeply concerned about him.
That shows as a quote from me. But I do not believe that is correct. I think that was another poster. (just checked, and that was posted by someone else. #952 I believe it was).
MW post #950 now in red are B.B.s words
My comment is in blue.
My excuses. Sometimes when removing part of a prior qoute to stay on topic you end up attributing the post to the wrong person. It happens no offense meant.
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This is a problem. A similar thing happened in the Sandy Hook shooting. Everyone knew that Adam Lanza was a :censored: tard, yet his mum, who wanted to "engage him" and "teach him responsibility" somehow thought that taking him to the range and turning him into a trained killer was a good idea. FCUK if she wanted to "engage him" how about coin collecting or board games? If she wanted to "teach him responsibility" then get him a fcuking puppy. But nooooooooo let's take him to the range.
Wrong.
The mother who was the first to die repeatedly contacted officials to commit her son. I knew her. They informed her they were powerless because of his age.
Teaching A. Lanza to use firearms was done years earlier. A. Lanza had a fascination with the Columbine Shooting. While the mother loved her sons she was deeply concerned about him.
That shows as a quote from me. But I do not believe that is correct. I think that was another poster. (just checked, and that was posted by someone else. #952 I believe it was).
MW post #950 now in red are B.B.s words
My comment is in blue.
My excuses. Sometimes when removing part of a prior qoute to stay on topic you end up attributing the post to the wrong person. It happens no offense meant.
No worries at all. I just wanted to make sure anyone who wanted to respond knew who said it.
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Just doing some mandatory changes at the bank if confronted by a shooter or armed raid. All about running away, hiding and remaining calm.
But last point says ‘US and Canada only’
‘Attack the shooter by throwing heavy objects, sharp instruments or by physical violence’
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Just doing some mandatory changes at the bank if confronted by a shooter or armed raid. All about running away, hiding and remaining calm.
But last point says ‘US and Canada only’
‘Attack the shooter by throwing heavy objects, sharp instruments or by physical violence’
With the frequency of shootings here in the US, thoughts on active shooter training / contingency planning are starting to change in regards to response. When I was in school, we were always told to escape if possible (ie. run) or hide in place if escape was too risky or impossible. Now, many programs are teaching students and teachers to fight back and to try to disarm / subdue the assailant(s).
And I can definitely see the point; the faster the shooter can be stopped, the less people will be injured / killed. Oftentimes these attackers are not well trained or skilled with their weapons, so it stands to reason that a counter-ambush is more likely to succeed.
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In hindsight, true.
If you' have a relative who you're trying to get committed, it shouldn't take hindsight to figure out that you need to secure your firearms.
Back when my folks were still alive and I would visit for various holidays, one of the things I would do would be to secure my dad's firearms before the younger members of the family arrived. I did teach them how to be "gun safe", after discussing it with their parents, but why take chances?
A mutual friend asked were the guns in a cabinet and trigger locked. The answer was yes, I tend to doubt this.
As I understand it, police found a gun safe, open, in the home. The guns were either not secured, or he knew the combination to the safe, etc. The impression I get is that she was in denial about how messed up he was.
B/B
She was not in denial, but she did not recognize how unhinged her son was.
Another thing that was brought up in the documentary was that the room where A. Lanza lived in the home had all of the windows totally covered up and it was reported that Mother could not just enter his room and had to communicate with him in order to enter his room. While this does not indicate homicidal tendencies, if this is how the future life with this guy will proceed, better to have him placed in solitary confinement.
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"Somebody has to wake up the American public and get them to arm themselves," the man said Paddock told him less than a month before the Oct. 1 shooting that killed 58 people and injured hundreds. "Sometimes sacrifices have to be made."
Paddock also ranted about "camps" the Federal Emergency Management Agency set up after Hurricane Katrina, which he claimed were a "dry run for law enforcement and military to start kickin' down doors and … confiscating guns."
All of the dead are acceptable collateral damage.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/las-vegas-shooter-claimed-americans-needed-wake-up-call-article-1.3994558
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Eight more today;
Sorry ten now, check back later for more....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44173954
You lot really do need to rethink your attitude towards guns, or keep to the spirit of the Constitution, and just let people have muskets.
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“You’re all going to die. … Can’t wait.”
Sooner rather than later. (:)
“I live a lone life. I live in seclusion and solitude. I hate everyone and everything. But the power of my AR you will all know who I am.” “I had enough of being told what to do and when to do. I had enough of being told that I’m an idiot and a dumbass. You’re all stupid and brainwashed by the political and government programs.”
He spent several months there before being kicked out. His late mother also called 911 on him almost 20 times over the years and he had a history of killing animals then posting images on the internet and taking body parts as souvenirs.
:rolleye0009:
http://time.com/5296435/florida-school-shooting-suspect-cellphone-video-stoneman-douglas/
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All of the dead are acceptable collateral damage.
This is a simple statement of fact.
It applies not just to guns but every choice we make in respect of life/death choices.
For example, thousands die on US roads. Many of those deaths are preventable but the choice is made to allow them to occur and to continue to do so.
We make similar choices in health care. Every day USAians die when it could be avoided.
All those deaths are acceptable collateral damage. But the level of acceptance can change. People need to say that it is not acceptable for hundreds or thousands of people to be killed every year in order that a few fearful, inadequate, men might keep their chosen fetish objects in their home or on their person.
How long are decent men and women going to be held hostage by inadequate fetishists?
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The NRA (National Riffle Association) advocates for gun rights of American citizens and in my opinions manufactures and is often the subjects of law suits. Victims of violence where weapons were used and sometimes more obtuse reasoning are the plaintiffs. Rarely does the NRA lose, they have a staff of dedicated lawyers who are legal junkyard dogs. They are considered one of the best organized lobbying groups in Washington D.C.
But a recent lawsuit filled against the NRA has a good possibility of succeeding. It is not from a victim or public action group but rather an artist who has charged the NRA with copyright infringement. The artist A. Kapoor created in Chicago the public sculpture titled ‘Cloud Gate” 2006 locals refer to is as the ‘Bean’. It is extremely popular with tourists and the locals. In England his work for the Olympics of 2012 "Orbit" is quite well know.
A recent set of adds soliciting donations for the NRA by the NRA feature Cloud Gate prominently in the background. On the basis of this Kapoor from England is seeking royalties from the income derived or raised and a cessation of the use of Cloud Gate. Prior legal cases such as this have almost always been found in favour of the creator.
One needs to understand that while in a public space Cloud Gate still has a copyright protection as opposed to say Mt. Rushmore, portraits of former US Presidents carved in stone finished circa 1940.
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They are considered one of the best organized lobbying groups in Washington D.C.
It's between them and the sugar lobby for best funded
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Police released photos of the arsenal, most of the weapons appearing to be rifles but some handguns also in the mix.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/06/19/500-guns-found-convicted-felon-california/714240002/
Think of it like Ms. Marcos and her huge shoe inventory. Lots of hoarders on this planet. :chuckle:
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What ever happens I'm on my way to be fully trained with the latest AK.. :smokin:
(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/30051908_10212101512429814_9108889167481816404_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=163c3c17c32e4b635ce7262763e48cb3&oe=5BAAE5AD)
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Several confirmed dead in a synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh, PA.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/10/27/pittsburgh-police-responding-active-shooting-squirrel-hill-area/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8018936ca9f4
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Several confirmed dead in a synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh, PA.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/10/27/pittsburgh-police-responding-active-shooting-squirrel-hill-area/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8018936ca9f4
So sad, but this act reflects the times.
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Several confirmed dead in a synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh, PA.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/10/27/pittsburgh-police-responding-active-shooting-squirrel-hill-area/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8018936ca9f4
A teacher I liked used to say: you may dislike someone, you may even secretly wish to punch them in the nose. Your right to punch them in the nose ends where their nose begins.
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Several confirmed dead in a synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh, PA.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/10/27/pittsburgh-police-responding-active-shooting-squirrel-hill-area/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8018936ca9f4
A teacher I liked used to say: you may dislike someone, you may even secretly wish to punch them in the nose. Your right to punch them in the nose ends where their nose begins.
Very true :thumbsup:
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A teacher I liked used to say: you may dislike someone, you may even secretly wish to punch them in the nose. Your right to punch them in the nose ends where their nose begins.
Never heard that one before but I like it.
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A teacher I liked used to say: you may dislike someone, you may even secretly wish to punch them in the nose. Your right to punch them in the nose ends where their nose begins.
Never heard that one before but I like it.
Spacibo to both you and AvHdB.
This situation in particular is a tragedy for the victims and their families. It was a good thing that at the start of the World Series between Boston and Los Angeles this evening they mentioned this and asked the nation to come together.
If someone is so upset or angry they should seek counseling or meet with a friend.
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Another school shooting and one dead in NC.
https://www.wfmynews2.com/article/news/local/deadly-butler-high-shooting-began-as-a-bullying-incident-gone-out-of-control/83-609070280
You bullies are finally going to get what you deserve. >:( :fighting0025:
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What kind of sick society puts guns in the hands of children?
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What kind of sick society puts guns in the hands of children?
What kind of sick society allows children to be buggered by gangs of Muslim perverts?
That would be yours. :coffeeread:
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We, in the UK do not allow it. However, it can be seen that there is a difference between bad people using what God gave them to do bad things and bad people making bad laws that allow bad people to buy bad weapons with which they carry out bad acts. Those bad acts are responsible for the deaths of thousands of people every year. That's a whole lot of bad from top to bottom of a bad society.
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We, in the UK do not allow it. However, it can be seen that there is a difference between bad people using what God gave them to do bad things and bad people making bad laws that allow bad people to buy bad weapons with which they carry out bad acts. Those bad acts are responsible for the deaths of thousands of people every year. That's a whole lot of bad from top to bottom of a bad society.
Earlier this month, 20 people were killed in a horrific limousine crash in upstate New York. This wreck constitutes the worst US transportation accident in almost a decade and it was caused by sheer negligence; the owner of the limo company knew that the vehicle had failed inspections and that the driver was not qualified to be driving passengers, still he allowed the trip to be made. We already have good laws on the books to prevent tragedies like this but uncaring individuals will disregard those laws with no consideration of the consequences. Cause: a crime is committed; effect: the perpetrator is punished.
In this case, the owner of the limo company is facing criminal prosecution. Also facing similar actions are those who perpetrate gun-related crimes (like the recent mass homicide in Pittsburgh). So if I am understanding you correctly Andrew, you feel that our problem in the United States is that bad people are making bad laws that aren't adequately protecting the public. I'm curious to know if you feel the same way about all of our laws (like those pertaining to transportation safety) or just the ones pertaining to firearms.
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Another day, another (:)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46135459
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The government set the standards, of course people will try to avoid or defeat those standards, but absent those standards just think how much more dangerous your roads would be.
The same applies to your tragic situation with people killing each other with guns. The standards are clearly inadequate and enforcement of the existing standards seems to be inadequate. Problem is that suits the gun fetishists and frightened people who want to be able to have unfettered access to their dangerous fetish objects and booboos.
Of course, one needs to address the underlying issue of the cultural sickness that leads people to the conclusion that going out and mowing a slew of people down is the best way to spend a Wednesday evening. However, dealing with the symptoms (access to weapons of mass murder) seems an appropriate intermediary step - at least to this person living in a more civilised and civil society.
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Willing to make a guess that in American society there is a greater percentage of the general population that are more mentally 'unhealthy', than say Germany or France. This angst (fear) and the rather easy ability to obtain firearms is a large part of why there are so many shootings.
I have little fear of say of a member going off the 'deep end' but a fair amount of concern of the often drunk panhandler always close to my primary bank. This chap, angry and confused scares most of the female bank vistitors. The employees of the bank has reached out to obtain help for this chap, but he thinks he is perfectly normal and is indeed at times 'lucid'. He has declined help.
Could he obtain a weapon I fear yes. Should he absolutely no.
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Willing to make a guess that in American society there is a greater percentage of the general population that are more mentally 'unhealthy', than say Germany or France. This angst (fear) and the rather easy ability to obtain firearms is a large part of why there are so many shootings.
I have little fear of say of a member going off the 'deep end' but a fair amount of concern of the often drunk panhandler always close to my primary bank. This chap, angry and confused scares most of the female bank vistitors. The employees of the bank has reached out to obtain help for this chap, but he thinks he is perfectly normal and is indeed at times 'lucid'. He has declined help.
Could he obtain a weapon I fear yes. Should he absolutely no.
Perhaps report this panhandler to the Police who should be able to relocate him.
Panhandling is not legal in the city I live in, the Police will relocate them a few miles West to the closest “progressive” city where they are welcome.
I harbor no ill will to the homeless, as it’s the grace of God which keeps all of us housed. I will note that in the past I gave a dollar now and then to a friendly chap. One day I watched him from afar and he was taking swigs from a large bottle of Colt 45 booze in between customers. That’s the sad reality of what most beggars do with their cash.
A very funny commercial, gets real good halfway thru. :chuckle:
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Willing to make a guess that in American society there is a greater percentage of the general population that are more mentally 'unhealthy', than say Germany or France. This angst (fear) and the rather easy ability to obtain firearms is a large part of why there are so many shootings.
I have little fear of say of a member going off the 'deep end' but a fair amount of concern of the often drunk panhandler always close to my primary bank. This chap, angry and confused scares most of the female bank vistitors. The employees of the bank has reached out to obtain help for this chap, but he thinks he is perfectly normal and is indeed at times 'lucid'. He has declined help.
Could he obtain a weapon I fear yes. Should he absolutely no.
Perhaps report this panhandler to the Police who should be able to relocate him.
Panhandling is not legal in the city I live in, the Police will relocate them a few miles West to the closest “progressive” city where they are welcome.
I harbor no ill will to the homeless, as it’s the grace of God which keeps all of us housed. I will note that in the past I gave a dollar now and then to a friendly chap. One day I watched him from afar and he was taking swigs from a large bottle of Colt 45 booze in between customers. That’s the sad reality of what most beggars do with their cash.
As you note the police, social services as well as his family have attempted to assist. If he refuses help than there is little they can do. Sad but true. As I noted he can be quite lucid other times a very angry person.
The greater danger is a young person who slips under the radar with serious rage issues.
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Another day, another (:)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46135459
Police say they have had several minor contacts with Long in recent years, including in April 2018 when they were called to his house after a report of a disturbance.
During talks with police, he appeared "somewhat irate, acting a little irrationally", the sheriff said.
A police crisis intervention team interviewed him, and determined that it was not necessary to hold him against his will in a mental health facility.
To the list of Las Vegas, Orlando, Virginia Tech, Sandy Hook, Sutherland Springs and Parkland we now add Thousand Oaks
You can't lock everyone up or turn off killing machines.
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Funny how the United States is just about the only place where such barbarism exists and is condoned by 'ordinary', 'civilised', people.
Killing machines can be turned off. All it takes is the will and until the United States chooses to join the civilised world that will not happen.
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Funny how the United States is just about the only place where such barbarism exists and is condoned by 'ordinary', 'civilised', people.
Bad as gun violence is in the United States, there is a region of the world where your chances of being murdered with a firearm are 4.2 times greater.
With just 8 percent of the world’s population, Latin America accounts for about a third of all murders
Not even close. You need to spend some time in Latin America where the "gringos" are attractive targets for the underworld there.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/latin-americas-murder-rate-is-skyrocketing-the-united-states-should-help/2018/09/30/f38b5bbe-c34f-11e8-a1f0-a4051b6ad114_story.html
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All I know is that if North Korea arms their nukes we'll be ready.
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All I know is that if North Korea arms their nukes we'll be ready.
'We'
You being Canadian ....
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All I know is that if North Korea arms their nukes we'll be ready.
Ready for what? To have China straighten you out on behalf of NK? Coz thats what will happen if you lot make the first move towards NK. Why do you think Trump is not bellyaching about them now? Because China let him know they'll stand with NK. As would Russia if push came to shove. And we all know Uncle Sam won't challenge anyone who can fight back. If NK had no nukes Kim would be dead already and NK occupied and looted.
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'We'
You being Canadian ....
Some of us have more than 1 passport. Why do you have the British flag here and the Irish flag there. are you British or Irish? Funny how you're so worried about other people's nationalities and not your own.
You rip Trump for not going to the memorial. You ain't even American. when's the last time you were in the USA or did military service? Pathetic.
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All I know is that if North Korea arms their nukes we'll be ready.
Ready for what? To have China straighten you out on behalf of NK? Coz thats what will happen if you lot make the first move towards NK. Why do you think Trump is not bellyaching about them now? Because China let him know they'll stand with NK. As would Russia if push came to shove. And we all know Uncle Sam won't challenge anyone who can fight back. If NK had no nukes Kim would be dead already and NK occupied and looted.
Bah Humbug. What a load of BS.
North Korea was very eager to negotiate with President Trump.
China isn’t about to act foolish and lose their largest export market either.
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Ready for what? To have China straighten you out on behalf of NK? Coz thats what will happen if you lot make the first move towards NK. Why do you think Trump is not bellyaching about them now? Because China let him know they'll stand with NK. As would Russia if push came to shove. And we all know Uncle Sam won't challenge anyone who can fight back. If NK had no nukes Kim would be dead already and NK occupied and looted.
We did not invade the north Koreans for decades when they did not have nukes. Why would we now. China is playing a game and is the big player here. They are supporting NK just enough to keep it alive and not have a reason to negotiate. North Koreans will keep there nukes as long as it is a benefited to China and not a day longer. These weapons were designed in Russia by Russians and exist because they benefit China and Russia. The Russian state says they do not know how the North Koreans got these old weapons plans but it in no doubt there's. Nothing is going to happen anytime soon in NK. They are not going to give up the weapons and we are not going to reduce the sanctions. The north is pretending to be angry that we are not reducing the sanctions and are threating to restart their program which they never stopped. China wanted a reduction of tensions as it was bad for business and that is why we are where we are. Without China approval I doubt if North Korea will do many more test. Can you say stalemate!
China does not want a unified Korea that would be an industrial competitor. So it is very happy with the present condition of state of affairs in NK and will keep this up for as long as possible.
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I thought there was a Korea thread ?
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We did not invade the north Koreans for decades when they did not have nukes. Why would we now.
I was at the DMZ during my time in Korea. The US has had a military presence there in Korea since the 1950's, the start of the Korean war.
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We did not invade the north Koreans for decades when they did not have nukes. Why would we now.
I was at the DMZ during my time in Korea. The US has had a military presence there in Korea since the 1950's, the start of the Korean war.
Are you a military veteran or were you just visiting?
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Back to Americans and guns.
There's a couple films out there called the purge and now a series. I watched a bit of it, pretty easy watching whilst killing time on a plane.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Purge
Essentially, its based on a political organisation called The New Founding Fathers, who following an comic collapse and rising social unrest, form a police state and the 28th amendment to the US constitution is ratified. A 12 hour event know as the Purge is established where all crimes including murder are made legal. Within the film, crime and unemployment are reduced to 1% and the US economy remains strong.
The majority of society supports the purge and when the problem with it is discussed at any stage, the actors state that its their right to purge and any other view point is alien.
Very apt when looking at actual US society from the outside me thinks!
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Ready for what? To have China straighten you out on behalf of NK? Coz thats what will
happen if you lot make the first move towards NK. Why do you think Trump is not bellyaching about them now? Because China let him know they'll stand with NK. As would Russia if push came to shove. And we all know Uncle Sam won't challenge anyone who can fight back. If NK had no nukes Kim would be dead already and NK occupied and looted.
The US won't make a move because Seoul would get annihilated. China isn't going
to straighten anything out. North Korea is as backward as it was back when the Commies
first took over. They don't have the infrastructure to move troops and especially not
war machines from China to the South. Do you think that they can walk at night under
the cover of darkness with nothing but a ball of rice like they did in the 1950's?
Look at a relief map, the mountain ranges and their elevations then come back and
tell me how the Chinese are going to straighten anything out. They don't have
an Autobahn across NK. Like I said in the first line, the US would have to accept
hundreds of thousands of South Korean civilian deaths on the first day and that's
why it's a no go.
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If WW3 happens the Brits will be begging for help from the USA.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/29/prince-harry-calls-for-uk-military-to-be-given-purple-heart-meda/
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If WW3 happens the Brits will be begging for help from the USA.
I’ve been saying that for years. It’s best that we cut off the spoiled children of Europe.
The sooner the better. We’re on a totally different continent and we have our own problems.
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They voted for Brexit and then realized too late when it was a huge mistake.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/i-bregrexit-i-voted-for-brexit-and-now-i-realise-what-a-terrible-mistake-i-made-a7104181.html
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They voted for Brexit and then realized too late when it was a huge mistake.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/i-bregrexit-i-voted-for-brexit-and-now-i-realise-what-a-terrible-mistake-i-made-a7104181.html
Heads up: most of the UK guys here like Brexit.
Only your BFF Moby is a miserable remainer. :laugh:
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They voted for Brexit and then realized too late when it was a huge mistake.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/i-bregrexit-i-voted-for-brexit-and-now-i-realise-what-a-terrible-mistake-i-made-a7104181.html
Heads up: most of the UK guys here like Brexit.
Only your BFF Moby is a miserable remainer. :laugh:
BFF hahah... :ROFL: A few of my UK friends who are under 40 voted remain. it's the older generation who doesn't care as they'll be dead in a few decades anyways. More to do with right to live and work in EU countries like Spain. alot of Brits end up there after retiring.
doesn't affect me either way. just funny to see how the politicians are pushing their own agenda.
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All I know is that if North Korea arms their nukes we'll be ready.
Ready for what? To have China straighten you out on behalf of NK? Coz thats what will happen if you lot make the first move towards NK. Why do you think Trump is not bellyaching about them now? Because China let him know they'll stand with NK. As would Russia if push came to shove. And we all know Uncle Sam won't challenge anyone who can fight back. If NK had no nukes Kim would be dead already and NK occupied and looted.
China's biggest problem is trying to not be the "next Japan". They have a massively aging population with few "one children" to care for them.
And China has no particular love for "Little Fattie the Third", as they sometimes refer to him. Indeed, there has been talk in the press Government Approved Periodicals that China won't defend NoKo if t LFT institgates a war. If he does, and does so particuarly stupidly, i.e. nukes Seoul, then the life expectancy of everything in North Korea would drop to 15 minutes.
That said, there shouldn't be a war. Nobody benefits from it. 11 months of the year, everything is fine on the peninsula, at least below the 38th parallel. The North, is, of course, hellish for the majority of the inhabitants. The other month is LFT throwing tantrums because he's not getting enough attention and, let's face it, the Family Firm ain't doing so great.
The whole "China Humbles America" narrative is a stroke fantasy for Europeans upon whose continent the sun has, indeed, set. Outside of the Visegrad nations you're basically becoming North Africa - you might fairly argue that the US is becoming El Norte, which is a fair point, but as between the two, I know which one I'd choose. The difference, of course, being that America will still work.
This latest drama in which the various Shades of Gay on CNN have 'spells' over trade wars, because they are only interested in attaking Trump, will miss that the US and China will reach an accord on trade (wheels are in motion already) and we will wind up with a better deal than we had.
B/B
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They voted for Brexit and then realized too late when it was a huge mistake.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/i-bregrexit-i-voted-for-brexit-and-now-i-realise-what-a-terrible-mistake-i-made-a7104181.html
Heads up: most of the UK guys here like Brexit.
Only your BFF Moby is a miserable remainer. :laugh:
BFF hahah... :ROFL: A few of my UK friends who are under 40 voted remain. it's the older generation who doesn't care as they'll be dead in a few decades anyways. More to do with right to live and work in EU countries like Spain. alot of Brits end up there after retiring.
doesn't affect me either way. just funny to see how the politicians are pushing their own agenda.
It's a fair point that, without the "older generation" there wouldn't BE a UK, or an EU to Brexit from.
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All I know is that if North Korea arms their nukes we'll be ready.
Ready for what? To have China straighten you out on behalf of NK? Coz thats what will happen if you lot make the first move towards NK. Why do you think Trump is not bellyaching about them now? Because China let him know they'll stand with NK. As would Russia if push came to shove. And we all know Uncle Sam won't challenge anyone who can fight back. If NK had no nukes Kim would be dead already and NK occupied and looted.
China's biggest problem is trying to not be the "next Japan". They have a massively aging population with few "one children" to care for them.
And China has no particular love for "Little Fattie the Third", as they sometimes refer to him. Indeed, there has been talk in the press Government Approved Periodicals that China won't defend NoKo if t LFT institgates a war. If he does, and does so particuarly stupidly, i.e. nukes Seoul, then the life expectancy of everything in North Korea would drop to 15 minutes.
That said, there shouldn't be a war. Nobody benefits from it. 11 months of the year, everything is fine on the peninsula, at least below the 38th parallel. The North, is, of course, hellish for the majority of the inhabitants. The other month is LFT throwing tantrums because he's not getting enough attention and, let's face it, the Family Firm ain't doing so great.
The whole "China Humbles America" narrative is a stroke fantasy for Europeans upon whose continent the sun has, indeed, set. Outside of the Visegrad nations you're basically becoming North Africa - you might fairly argue that the US is becoming El Norte, which is a fair point, but as between the two, I know which one I'd choose. The difference, of course, being that America will still work.
This latest drama in which the various Shades of Gay on CNN have 'spells' over trade wars, because they are only interested in attaking Trump, will miss that the US and China will reach an accord on trade (wheels are in motion already) and we will wind up with a better deal than we had.
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Imagine that, the spoiled children of Europe having a “stroke” fantasy. Which for some is a longing for the rebirth of Der Fuhrer due to becoming Africa. :ROFL:
Can you blame some of them? Never before has a weaker bunch of politicians been in office.
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Can you blame some of them? Never before has a weaker bunch of politicians been in office.
The pols in Europe have views on immigration that are vastly out of line with the view of the population, outside of the Visegrad countries, which is why we are seeing a rise in nationalism. Indeed, Poland flipped governing parties over it. If you haven't seen Polish Law & Justice MP Dominik Tarczyński pimp-slapping BBC News Shrike Cathy Newman, it is a joy to watch.
This also explains, at least in part, HRC's loss to Trump - America has one "National" Party which has two branches - this was amply demonstrated during McCain Holy Week when they gatherer to pay homage to Skeletor, while Trump wasn't invited. HRC is still massively butthurt about the hick "Deplorables" who didn't "vote right." We also see leftoid tw*ts complaining that white women - who, given a choice between one of their own and El Pussy Grabber voted for Daddy - voted for their own interests instead of the sisterhood. Feminism (which is the name that radical feminism goes by) is fine until women want something different than Feminism, Inc. wants for them.
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And China has no particular love for "Little Fattie the Third", as they sometimes refer to him.
They are not so keen on Japan either. In China speaking with locals you soon learn that the given position one should adopt is to hate Japan, its the default mode. :chuckle:
That they don't have so much love for Kim may be true, but they have even less love for Uncle Sam marauding around the region. So Kimmy is the better of the two, being more controllable too.
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If WW3 happens the Brits will be begging for help from the USA.
? ? Have you been smoking some weed or something..??
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To all of the Anti-Trump Anti-American Fatalists, Nihilists, Phocking Doomsayers and Concern Trolls in general in this thread - as a LIVE FREE OR DIE patriot - now that another Trumpian Patriot Senator-Elect Rick Scott (R-Fla) just won his Senate Seat along with his Trumpian Governor Replacement Desantis...
I call for all my fellow Patriots to Man the Phuck Up, Nutt Up and Ammo up and stand by and be ready...
As sheeites about to get real serious between the Wall and Huber IG unsealing a mass wave of indictments against our Globalist Enemies...
Donald Trump: Now Is ‘a Very Good Time to Do a Shutdown’ for Border Wall
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/17/donald-trump-now-very-good-time-do-shutdown-border-wall/
Give me a W-I-N-N-I-N-G!
Full WINNING Quotes from 2016 Rallys:
"When we were all younger -- many of you are my age and many of you are younger -- but when we were all younger we didn't lose so much, right? We don't win anymore. As a country, we don't win."
Trump then promised to change that: “We're going to win so much. You're going to get tired of winning. you’re going to say, ‘Please Mr. President, I have a headache. Please, don't win so much. This is getting terrible.’ And I'm going to say, ‘No, we have to make America great again.’ You're gonna say, ‘Please.’ I said, ‘Nope, nope. We're gonna keep winning.’
RAOTFLMAO And this was in process all while the Fatalists, Nihilists, Phocking Doomsayers and Concern Troll traitors were whining like a bunch of Munts-N-Coonts little bishes. SAD.
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To all of the Anti-Trump Anti-American Fatalists, Nihilists, Phocking Doomsayers and Concern Trolls in general in this thread - as a LIVE FREE OR DIE patriot - now that another Trumpian Patriot Senator-Elect Rick Scott (R-Fla) just won his Senate Seat along with his Trumpian Governor Replacement Desantis...
I call for all my fellow Patriots to Man the Phuck Up, Nutt Up and Ammo up and stand by and be ready...
As sheeites about to get real serious between the Wall and Huber IG unsealing a mass wave of indictments against our Globalist Enemies...
Donald Trump: Now Is ‘a Very Good Time to Do a Shutdown’ for Border Wall
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/17/donald-trump-now-very-good-time-do-shutdown-border-wall/
Give me a W-I-N-N-I-N-G!
Full WINNING Quotes from 2016 Rallys:
"When we were all younger -- many of you are my age and many of you are younger -- but when we were all younger we didn't lose so much, right? We don't win anymore. As a country, we don't win."
Trump then promised to change that: “We're going to win so much. You're going to get tired of winning. you’re going to say, ‘Please Mr. President, I have a headache. Please, don't win so much. This is getting terrible.’ And I'm going to say, ‘No, we have to make America great again.’ You're gonna say, ‘Please.’ I said, ‘Nope, nope. We're gonna keep winning.’
RAOTFLMAO And this was in process all while the Fatalists, Nihilists, Phocking Doomsayers and Concern Troll traitors were whining like a bunch of Munts-N-Coonts little bishes. SAD.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: tiphat
? ? Have you been smoking some weed or something..??
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What's wrong has the UK bunch of pantie wearers given up on selling us your version of tyranny?
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This 21 Chapter Documentary about the genesis and evils of the NWO clearly illustrates why the USA remains free only so long as 100 Million patriots have 300 Million+ guns - this from the Live Free or Die State now a Constitutional Concealed Carry State even more free than DownEast Mainers or Socialist Bernie Bro Vermonters.
NWO : Communism By The Backdoor
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FYI:
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Mikey,
Your patriots are killing FAR more of each other with their guns - than the 'risk' of any 'Muzzies' .. particularly at schools ..
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Mikey,
Your patriots are killing FAR more of each other with their guns - than the 'risk' of any 'Muzzies' .. particularly at schools ..
Mobster - How do your really know anything about the USA from wherever in Sochi, Russia, Cyprus, et.al. you are currently hiding out? Perhaps by reading the NWO Controlled Media - not that they might have a blatant PRO communist agenda - First Disarm the Population of Patriots... Google Stalin and Holodomor...
Since you seem to be somewhat interested in the topic of controlling Americans...
http://www.restoring-america.com/Documents/THE%20NAKED%20COMMUNIST%20GOALS%20WITH%20NOTES.pdf So far about 43 goals have been achieved by your beloved Royalist NWO via Bernie, Beto, Obama-Clintons-Biden-Kerry et. al. ... (See complete Documentary Link Above)
Full Book Scan PDF from Cover to Cover:
https://ia601601.us.archive.org/23/items/B-001-002-046/B-001-002-046.pdf
Ought to warm the commie cockles of your frigid NWO Pro-Muzzie Catholic-Hating heart. Did you do a Northern Orange-Irish Jig when Notre Dame was en fuego?
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Mikey,
Your patriots are killing FAR more of each other with their guns - than the 'risk' of any 'Muzzies' .. particularly at schools ..
Mobster - How do your really know anything about the USA from wherever in Sochi, Russia, Cyprus, et.al. you are currently hiding out? Perhaps by reading the NWO Controlled Media - not that they might have a blatant PRO communist agenda - First Disarm the Population of Patriots... Google Stalin and Holodomor...
Since you seem to be somewhat interested in the topic of controlling Americans...
http://www.restoring-america.com/Documents/THE%20NAKED%20COMMUNIST%20GOALS%20WITH%20NOTES.pdf So far about 43 goals have been achieved by your beloved Royalist NWO via Bernie, Beto, Obama-Clintons-Biden-Kerry et. al. ... (See complete Documentary Link Above)
Full Book Scan PDF from Cover to Cover:
https://ia601601.us.archive.org/23/items/B-001-002-046/B-001-002-046.pdf
Ought to warm the commie cockles of your frigid NWO Pro-Muzzie Catholic-Hating heart. Did you do a Northern Orange-Irish Jig when Notre Dame was en fuego?
Good to read a proper post. Well said Cuffy :thumbsup:
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Another synagogue shooting in Poway, CA by a 19 year old posting anti-Semitic diatribes online. Another copycat of the incident in Pittsburgh, PA earlier which inspired this shooting.
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More Chilling Communist facts about the USA - there is also a very serious stream of Anti-Semitism and Anti-Christian Communism flowing from USA Unis like DePaul etc... basically that Israel is an apartheid state... this documentary reviews the Communist-Islamists leftist's alliance in one segment.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B01M4N8ABR/
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Another school shooting at the UNC Charlotte with two students killed. One student tackled the shooter in the classroom and was shot dead.
"I just went into a classroom and shot the guys", Terrell told reporters Tuesday as officers led him away in handcuffs.
Terrell is on the autism spectrum but "clever as can be," and he never showed any interest in guns or other weapons.
Terrell made a "full confession" and he allegedly "researched" the 2012 Sandy Hook shooting.
Monkey see, monkey do. :duh: (:) :LIMP: :GRAVE:
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Mikey,
Your patriots are killing FAR more of each other with their guns - than the 'risk' of any 'Muzzies' .. particularly at schools ..
Mobster - How do your really know anything about the USA from wherever in Sochi, Russia, Cyprus, et.al. you are currently hiding out? Perhaps by reading the NWO Controlled Media - not that they might have a blatant PRO communist agenda - First Disarm the Population of Patriots... Google Stalin and Holodomor...
I am 'sorry,' but could you address my point?..
Offering BS deflections about other nations having agendas to 'disarm' America..to make it easier to 'invade' is the ranting of a lunatic
Currently, you lot are killing each other and are a far more greater threat than terrorists.
If you seriously think I am happy to see any Church burn..
In my town in N.I , the local RC church was raised to the ground in an arson attack...probably sectarian and all denominations gave time and money to restore it... My mother's dearest chum and ex neighbour is RC..
Suggesting I am from a family of 'Orangemen' is as daft as suggesting I'm a Commie...
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Clearly Mobster, you did not view either of the documentaries I posted and therefore as is usual with you ignorance is bliss - to clarify the Key Point, to undermine and overthrow a nation especially the USA first it is necessary to disarm the Patriots. This is why your Redcoat ancestors inspired our founding fathers to write the first and second amendments to our sacred US Constitution in the first place.
Amazing how you lot have morphed from feared, tough, Riotous Rampaging Redcoat empire builders into a bunch of EU/UK Surrender Monkeys in such a short span of history.
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Clearly Mobster, you did not view either of the documentaries I posted and therefore as is usual with you ignorance is bliss - to clarify the Key Point, to undermine and overthrow a nation especially the USA first it is necessary to disarm the Patriots. This is why your Redcoat ancestors inspired our founding fathers to write the first and second amendments to our sacred US Constitution in the first place.
Amazing how you lot have morphed from feared, tough, Riotous Rampaging Redcoat empire builders into a bunch of EU/UK Surrender Monkeys in such a short span of history.
Dear Mikey,
Of course I read it...and only a raving lunatic would be quoting it ..
You STILL avoid the FACT that far more US citizens are at risk from fellow citizens with guns supposed to 'protect'
Please explain to what 'we' are surrendering to?
I am in a nation falling over itself to join the EU..as were other nations part of a failed experiment
Members of said club have enjoyed peace.....and mutual protection....something you crave.
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Clearly Mobster, you did not view either of the documentaries I posted and therefore as is usual with you ignorance is bliss - to clarify the Key Point, to undermine and overthrow a nation especially the USA first it is necessary to disarm the Patriots. This is why your Redcoat ancestors inspired our founding fathers to write the first and second amendments to our sacred US Constitution in the first place.
Amazing how you lot have morphed from feared, tough, Riotous Rampaging Redcoat empire builders into a bunch of EU/UK Surrender Monkeys in such a short span of history.
Dear Mikey,
Of course I read it...and only a raving lunatic would be quoting it ..
You STILL avoid the FACT that far more US citizens are at risk from fellow citizens with guns supposed to 'protect'
Please explain to what 'we' are surrendering to?
I am in a nation falling over itself to join the EU..as were other nations part of a failed experiment
Members of said club have enjoyed peace.....and mutual protection....something you crave.
Tell that to 30 to 40 Million Russian Christians slaughtered by Bolsheviks and Millions of Jews slaughtered by Nazi’s you pinko Commie Guardianista.
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Gotta get me sum dat!!! Weighs over a hundred pounds!! ????????????
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.950_JDJ
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Gotta get me sum dat!!! Weighs over a hundred pounds!! ????????????
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/.950_JDJ
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https://www.rockislandauction.com/blog/shooting-fat-mac-the-950-jdj-rifle/
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Time to call Bull Shite:
Mobster the Empire BSer wrote:
Dear Mikey,
Of course I read it...and only a raving lunatic would be quoting it ..
Ah hem - curfaw and Ummm - Mobster Read a 6 Hour 21 Video chapter series and a 1 Hour USA Communist infiltrators videos... How do you trap a Marxist Socialist Commie Rat - with surrender monkey cheese - Mobster again truthiness challenged.
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Devon Erickson’s Facebook page says he lives in Highlands Ranch, Colorado. John Fenton, a news producer with CBS Denver, wrote that the “car towed from #stemshooting suspect’s home apparently has ‘F*** SOCIETY’ spray painted on the side. Also ‘666’ and a what looks like a pentagram sprayed on the hood.”
“You know what I hate? All these Christians who hate gays, yet in the bible, it says in Deuteronomy 17:12-13, if someone doesn’t do what their priest tells them to do, they are supposed to die. It has plenty of crazy stuff like that,” “But all they get out of it is ‘ewwwwww gays.'”
The second suspect was not named, but The Denver Channel wrote that multiple sources say “the second suspect, who is a minor, is a transgender male who was in the midst of transitioning from female to male.” The motive, the station alleges, “went beyond bullying and involved revenge and anger towards others at the school,” adding that one suspect “was involved in legal and illegal drug use and had been in therapy.”
The sheriff, Tony Spurlock, described in a news conference how the shooters allegedly went “deep” into the school, opening fire on students in classrooms inside the high school, killing one classmate and leaving others in critical condition. One was wielding a handgun, according to Spurlock. The Highlands Ranch STEM school shooting occurred within 10 miles of Columbine.
Another school shooting in Colorado. It just keeps getting more wackier. (:)
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Time to call Bull Shite:
Mobster the Empire BSer wrote:
Dear Mikey,
Of course I read it...and only a raving lunatic would be quoting it ..
Ah hem - curfaw and Ummm - Mobster Read a 6 Hour 21 Video chapter series and a 1 Hour USA Communist infiltrators videos... How do you trap a Marxist Socialist Commie Rat - with surrender monkey cheese - Mobster again truthiness challenged.
Nice fail at deflection, Mikey....
Perhaps you wish to test my newly acquired 'knowledge'?
In the meantime, another school incident while you BS about 'patriots' needing to arm themselves.
US citizens have more to fear from wack jobs who are citizens ...with guns ... NOT terrorists...
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Time to call Bull Shite:
Mobster the Empire BSer wrote:
Dear Mikey,
Of course I read it...and only a raving lunatic would be quoting it ..
Ah hem - curfaw and Ummm - Mobster Read a 6 Hour 21 Video chapter series and a 1 Hour USA Communist infiltrators videos... How do you trap a Marxist Socialist Commie Rat - with surrender monkey cheese - Mobster again truthiness challenged.
Nice fail at deflection, Mikey....
Perhaps you wish to test my newly acquired 'knowledge'?
In the meantime, another school incident while you BS about 'patriots' needing to arm themselves.
US citizens have more to fear from wack jobs who are citizens ...with guns ... NOT terrorists...
MOBSTER - You are so much a product of your White Self Loathing post-WWII Radical Socialist Liberal education infiltration and mind control brainwashing that you stand as an example of how not to be a free thinking freedom loving person.
The Only thing the USA needs to fear is the NWO One World Government hatched by the Globalists Banksters in their City of London redoubt with Communist China and their Emporer - er ah um - Chairman/President for Life implementing constantly increasing totalitarian controls on its people including what they do, say, and think culminating in their insidious Chinese Communist Social Credit Scoring and Controls system as a proof of concept for the rest of the NWO world starting with the EU because in the USA our second amendment loving patriots and military veterans will wage war on these Communists among us when they finally go too far.
And your false sense of concern over some small handfuls of kids being hurt by irresponsible parents who let their own psychotic kids get a hold of some guns when both the EU and USA are subject to a massive invasion of low IQ non-tech economy capable third-worlders who have to stoop to welfare and crime to survive in our technically literate world. You cannot cure stupidity, especially among liberal brainwashed by Naked Communist parents.
Being able to protect ourselves from Tyrants is the price of liberty.
The USA has about 80,000 young people a year dying of Opioid Overdoses including drugs cut with Fentanyl and Carfentanyl from Communist Freaking Red China, another 45,000 a year in auto fatalities many associated with driving under the influence of alcohol and MJ and worse drugs.
Astounding to think of how passive the EU Surrender Monkeys have become in the face of the NWO attacks on your culture - Spain, Portugal, Italy, and Greece live a loungy cafe culture in the sun with full pensions at 55 so it is no wonder how they can become so lazy.
http://www.restoring-america.com/Documents/THE%20NAKED%20COMMUNIST%20GOALS%20WITH%20NOTES.pdf
The Germans have had their fighting genetics and Prussian miltary discipline bred/raped out of them as part of the fanatically implemented de-Nazification after WWII and the 45 Goals of the Naked Communist Agenda have been successfully implemented across the remainder of Western and Northen Europe - but to think our fighting UK Cousins would join the rest of the EU and roll over and take this NWO phocking right up the arse without vaseline is too much for a veteran patriot to process less actually comprehend.
I will enjoy my Constitutional Concealed Carry rights in the Live Free or Die State of New Hampshire along with Maine and Vermont while the EU self-immolates along with the USA Sanctuary States and Cities... then we will re-inforce the US Constitution and Bill of Rights AFTER we exterminate the Marxist Socialist Communist traitors.
THE NAKED COMMUNIST: 45 COMMUNIST GOALS (Applies Globally)
On Jan. 10, 1963, Congressman Albert S. Herlong Jr. of Florida read a list of 45 Communist goals into the Congressional Record. The list was derived from researcher Cleon Skousen’s book “The Naked Communist.” These principles are well worth revisiting today in order to gain insights into the thinking and strategies of much of our so-called liberal elite:
1. U.S. should accept coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. U.S. should be willing to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war. [Note: These encapsulate the Kennan Doctrine, which advocated for the "containment" of communism. Establishment figures supporting the amoral containment policy at least implicitly worked with the communists in scaring the wits out of the American people concerning atomic war. President Ronald Reagan undid the doctrine when he took an aggressive stand against the Evil Empire by backing freedom fighters from around the world that were struggling against the left-wing communist jackboot. As a result, the Soviet Union and its satellites imploded, a considerable and unexpected setback to the international communist edifice.]
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the U.S. would be a demonstration of "moral strength." [Note: The nuclear freeze advocates supported a freeze on American nuclear development only. Rarely were Soviet nukes or those of other nations
mentioned in their self-righteous tirades. The same advocates now call for reducing American military might, claiming that there is something immoral about America preserving its military pre-eminence in the world.]
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war. [Note: Today, there are calls to end the embargo on the slave island of Cuba, there were complaints about the embargo against Iraq, and the U.S., not Saddam Hussein, was blamed for the suffering of the Iraqi people. Would they have advocated for free trade with Hitler and his National Socialist regime?]
5. Extend long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination. [Note: Such aid and trade over decades contributed greatly to the left-wing communist liquidation of over 100 million people worldwide, according to the well-documented "Black Book of Communism." This aid and trade marks a shameful chapter in American history. Without the aid and trade, the left-wing international communist behemoth would have imploded on its own rot a lot sooner and umpteen millions would have been saved from poverty, misery, starvation and death.]
7. Grant recognition of Red China and admission of Red China to the U.N. [Note: Not only did President Jimmy Carter fulfill this goal but he also betrayed America’s allies in Nicaragua, El Salvador, Iran, Afghanistan, Angola and elsewhere.]
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the Germany question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the U.S. has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. [Note: There are still American intellectuals, and elected members of Congress, who dream of an eventual one world government and who view the U.N., founded by communists such as Alger Hiss, the first secretary-general, as the instrument to bring this about. World government was also the dream of Adolf Hitler and J.V. Stalin. World government was the dream of Osama bin Laden and the 9/11 hijackers.]
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party. [Note: While the idea of banning any political party runs contrary to notions of American freedom and liberty, notions that are the exact opposite of those held by the left-wing communists themselves, nevertheless these goals sought to undermine the constitutional obligation of Congress to investigate subversion. The weakening of our government’s ability to conduct such investigations led to the attack of 9/11.]
13. Do away with loyalty oaths. [Note: It is entirely proper and appropriate for our government to expect employees, paid by the American taxpayer, to take an oath of loyalty.]
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the U.S. [Note: In his book, "Reagan’s War," Peter Schweizer demonstrates the astonishing degree to which communists and communist sympathizers have penetrated the Democratic Party. In his book, Schweizer writes about the presidential election of 1979.]
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights. [Note: This strategy goes back to the founding of the American Civil Liberties Union by Fabian Socialists Roger Baldwin and John Dewey and Communists William Z. Foster and Elizabeth Gurley Flynn among others.]
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations that are under Communist attack. [Note:The success of these goals, from a communist perspective, is obvious. Is there any doubt this is so?]
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV & motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings," substituting shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. " Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV. [Note: This is the Gramscian agenda of the "long march through the institutions" spelled out explicitly: gradual takeover of the "means of communication" and then using those vehicles to debauch the culture and weaken the will of the individual to resist.]
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural and healthy." [Note: Today those few who still have the courage to advocate public morality are denounced and viciously attacked. Most Americans are entirely unwitting regarding the motives behind this agenda.]
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch." [Note: This has been largely accomplished through the communist infiltration of the National Council of Churches, Conservative and Reform Judaism, and the Catholic seminaries.]
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state"
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over. [Note: Obliterating the American past, with its antecedents in principles of freedom, liberty and private ownership is a major goal of the communists then and now.]
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture – education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat. [Note: The Soviets used to send "social misfits" and those deemed politically incorrect to massive mental institutions called gulags. The Red Chinese call them lao gai. Hitler called them concentration camps.]
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose communist goals. [Note: Psychiatry remains a bulwark of the communist agenda of fostering self-criticism and docility.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce. [Note: Done! The sovereign family is the single most powerful obstacle to authoritarian control.]
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents. [Note: Outcome-based education, values clarification or whatever they’re
calling it this year.]
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special interest groups should rise up and make a "united force" to solve economic, political or social problems. [Note: This describes the
dialectical fostering of group consciousness and conflict, which furthers the interests of authoritarianism.]
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally Reservation so the U.S. cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.
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Curious the MSM will not report this important Trump decision to Protect the USA 2nd Amendment from devious Euro & Asian UN Globalists:
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20190503/what-unsigning-the-arms-trade-treaty-means-for-american-gun-owners
Last Friday, President Trump took the historic step of ordering the “unsigning” of the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty during his address to the NRA-ILA’s Leadership Forum. President Trump’s action effectively withdraws the United States from the most comprehensive effort towards international gun control.
Much of the intervening coverage on the ATT has focused on how the treaty did or did not constrain U.S. arms sales abroad, but many average law-abiding gun owners may be questioning how the treaty could or couldn’t have affected them.
NRA’s complaints regarding the treaty have always been based on its potential effect on law-abiding American gun owners. Those complaints have focused on the treaty’s requirements for end use verification, its sometimes-unintelligible vagueness, its ability to be amended without the consensus of all parties, and its proponents repeated refusals to clarify that it has no effect on the possession of small arms by civilians in the United States.
The treaty urges recordkeeping of end users, directing importing countries to provide information to an exporting country regarding arms transfers, including “end use or end user documentation” for a “minimum of ten years.” Each country is to “take measures, pursuant to its national laws, to regulate brokering taking place under its jurisdiction for conventional arms.” Data kept on the end users of imported firearms is a de-facto registry of law-abiding firearms owners, which is a violation of federal law. Even worse, the ATT could be construed to require such a registry to be made available to foreign governments.
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Mikey
You are STILL ducking the point - how many USA citizens die from terrorism ( or invading third nations ) v loonie citizens 'bearing arms... ?
Do TRY to answer the question - it is the first step to reality !
'Quote of the week' material in the REAL WORLD, now follows:
MOBSTER - You are so much a product of your White Self Loathing post-WWII Radical Socialist Liberal education infiltration and mind control brainwashing that you stand as an example of how not to be a free thinking freedom loving person.
:ROFL:
While you think as you do - you are going to remain serially single ... but you'll find 'solace' here )))))
I hadn't realised being a right of centre entrepreneur who had always voted Conservative - until voting from overseas in our recent local and soon to be counted European Parliament LIB DEM - as they have been CONSISTENTLY remain - made me a socialist at all..
I do not 'fear' being White .. I consider it to be 'lucky' given the attitude folks with darker skin receive from ignorant folks ..
I was mainly educated by somewhat bigoted Protestant, pro British teachers - unable to see t'other side's rightful concerns teachers until I was 12 years old and by 15 realised a LOT of my beliefs were the outcome of their ignorance ... hence I especially question zealots who actually can't be thinking very very much at all - if they could be bothered to open their eyes to the causes of situations our fore-fathers created.
So, you'll 'excuse me' as I'm quite free to think ( say) what I like in many nations I visit - esp. about historical mistakes and corruption
It is perfectly clear who is brain-washed given your constantly avoiding the question...given you KNOW if you answer - you have to admit your 'argument' fell at the first hurdle... you are far more of a danger to each other :coffeeread:
Until you can deal with that fact - your points are lame excuses
Now, I read you are interested to visit Crimea ...Could it be that it is a close parallel to N.Ireland .?....The people who NOW make up the majority ( substitute R.Orthodox for Protestant Brits ) were the minority and unquestionably persecuted the the indigenous population - only in Crimea's case - forcibly removed them ..
I suggest there is much you don't think about ...
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These two freaks are the latest shooters. Rot in prison!
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/colorado-shooting-suspects-are-gender-confused-girl-and-boy-who-hated-christians-trump
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Time to call Bull Shite:
Mobster the Empire BSer wrote:
Dear Mikey,
Of course I read it...and only a raving lunatic would be quoting it ..
Ah hem - curfaw and Ummm - Mobster Read a 6 Hour 21 Video chapter series and a 1 Hour USA Communist infiltrators videos... How do you trap a Marxist Socialist Commie Rat - with surrender monkey cheese - Mobster again truthiness challenged.
Nice fail at deflection, Mikey....
Perhaps you wish to test my newly acquired 'knowledge'?
In the meantime, another school incident while you BS about 'patriots' needing to arm themselves.
US citizens have more to fear from wack jobs who are citizens ...with guns ... NOT terrorists...
Yeah, a trans gender liberal wack job who hates Trump supporters.
Surprised you haven’t tried to shoot up a place yet Moby.
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These two freaks are the latest shooters. Rot in prison!
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/colorado-shooting-suspects-are-gender-confused-girl-and-boy-who-hated-christians-trump
Shush up Confederate… we can't share stories that flow against 'the agenda' of the MSM. :laugh:
And clearly I'M the confused one for wanting to legally own a target pistol, huh? This world is indeed a troubled place.
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These two freaks are the latest shooters. Rot in prison!
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/colorado-shooting-suspects-are-gender-confused-girl-and-boy-who-hated-christians-trump
Shush up Confederate… we can't share stories that flow against 'the agenda' of the MSM. :laugh:
And clearly I'M the confused one for wanting to legally own a target pistol, huh? This world is indeed a troubled place.
It’s such a worn out topic however those who wish to prevent society at large from yet another Communist takeover and bloodbath of innocents must be forever vocal and vigilant.
It’s been 101 years since the Bolshevik takeover of Tsarist Russia and the Bolsheviks haven’t given up, they’ve infiltrated the USA and nearly achieved their latest agenda with their attempt to elect Hillary but failed miserably, hence the collusion delusion.
Cars are not assault weapons and neither are guns or rifles, it’s the person who makes a decision.
By far the majority of these assaults are committed by liberals; let’s first outlaw liberals and go from there.
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Shush up Confederate… we can't share stories that flow against 'the agenda' of the MSM. :laugh:
And clearly I'M the confused one for wanting to legally own a target pistol, huh? This world is indeed a troubled place.
Can you 'explain' what this 'agenda' is and how 'they' joined the MSN club...?
I mean, dare I point out this could be the product of folks wearing tin foil on their heads)))
Personally, I have no problem with you owning a target pistol..as long as it is used at a firing range and kept under lock and key, there
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Personally, I have no problem with you owning a target pistol..as long as it is used at a firing range and kept under lock and key, there
What about people legitimately owning shot guns at home in approved gun cabinets who may happen to use them on intruders? Tony Martin for example......
I’d not shed a tear for an intruder that was shot by a homeowner. In fact if I recall correctly the law in Florida protects people in such a circumstance. Shame it doesn’t in the UK.
I bet we have plenty of farmers who have fired up the JCB and buried a dead intruders body in the bottom field.
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Personally, I have no problem with you owning a target pistol..as long as it is used at a firing range and kept under lock and key, there
What about people legitimately owning shot guns at home in approved gun cabinets who may happen to use them on intruders? Tony Martin for example......
I’d not shed a tear for an intruder that was shot by a homeowner. In fact if I recall correctly the law in Florida protects people in such a circumstance. Shame it doesn’t in the UK.
I bet we have plenty of farmers who have fired up the JCB and buried a dead intruders body in the bottom field.
What is the JCB?
Yes in the USA there are “stand your ground” types of laws.
However how one uses a gun and when and where can determine if the gun owner goes to prison or not.
When in a “liberal” stronghold type of city or state it’s best to find other ways to defend yourself.
Such as: stay away from any “democratic” controlled city such as parts of Chicago, Detroit, Baltimore and iirc parts of NYC.
As “Lord of the Dance” wrote elsewhere some large cities are cesspools of violence.
Shakespear or BillyB or LOD could help me out here: if the large cities with gun control (allegedly) were removed from USA statistics on gun violence, the USA as a whole would rank very low for gun violence.
Notice Moby wrote above that Lord should be required to keep his target pistol locked up at the range. Uh no, absolutely NOT.
The Second Amendment is a Constitutional right which shall not be phocked with by liberal Commie type of pricks like Moby.
If BillyB or LOD or whoever wants to keep a 50 caliber machine gun at their house on their property it’s their right.
Bottom line is that if a full on Communist gun grabber like Sanders or AOC ever gets into national office the rural areas are more than ready to deal with those attempts at tyranny.
Moby we see lost in the Brexit vote but has been whining for a “redo”. Corrupt crooked types will always attempt to use a Police state to overturn the will of the people.
I’ve read about a lot of violence committed against young girls and women by the rape “grooming” gangs in your country.
Now imagine when it gets to a civil war there, are you prepared for that?
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JCB = Caterpillar, machines to move earth.
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Best way to legally defend yourself as a card-carrying enforcer of our Second Amendment rights USCCA Membership:
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/membership/ a bargain if you ever need it.
If you ever do have to defend yourself and are arrested you only say 2 things ...
I was in fear for my life (or loved ones) - and;
I want to call my lawyer NOW! (Numbers of pro 2nd Amendment lawyers are referred through USCCA Customer Service... Plus bail bonds if needed. That also goes for Brits visiting constitutional concealed carry states like Vermont, Maine and of course the Live Free or Die state of New Hampshire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry
Unfortunately, Florida is a Non-Permissive State - must be all the liberal New York wackos that retired there.
It is a stand your ground state iirc.
FYI Gun and Weapons Laws by State (Tasers, Pepper Spray, cattle prods etc):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state
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Best way to legally defend yourself as a card-carrying enforcer of our Second Amendment rights USCCA Membership:
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/membership/ a bargain if you ever need it.
If you ever do have to defend yourself and are arrested you only say 2 things ...
I was in fear for my life (or loved ones) - and;
I want to call my lawyer NOW! (Numbers of pro 2nd Amendment lawyers are referred through USCCA Customer Service... Plus bail bonds if needed. That also goes for Brits visiting constitutional concealed carry states like Vermont, Maine and of course the Live Free or Die state of New Hampshire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry
Unfortunately, Florida is a Non-Permissive State - must be all the liberal New York wackos that retired there.
It is a stand your ground state iirc.
FYI Gun and Weapons Laws by State (Tasers, Pepper Spray, cattle prods etc):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state
Everything Cuffy wrote is correct.
However if you use a firearm it can easily run $100,000 or more in legal fees.
I can disarm or kill an intruder with a variety of methods which won’t cost so much to legally defend.
Sometimes the best defense is an NRA sticker placed on all windows.
A couple of mean hungry Dobermans or Pittbulls patrolling outside your fortress and some live Crocodiles swimming in the moat around your castle. :laugh:
But seriously some pepper spray, a legal knife and perhaps a legal electric zapper can incapacitate a crook.
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Shakespear or BillyB or LOD could help me out here: if the large cities with gun control (allegedly) were removed from USA statistics on gun violence, the USA as a whole would rank very low for gun violence.
Large cities do have a lot of crime but I don't blame the city's size for crime. If one looks at worldwide statistics for crime, they will see nations in Africa and Latin America having the highest frequency of crime. If one looks at crime by ethnic groups in America, one will find Latinos and African Americans committing violent crime at a much higher frequency than Asians or Caucasians. If you look at the violent crime rates of all ethnic groups in America and compared it to their homelands, it's near the same. In other words, African Americans in America are as violent as Africans. Asians in America are as violent as Asians back home. Latinos are as violent as their brothers in Latin America. Caucasians in America are about as violent as Europeans.
It's in our genes. Just happens many big cities have large groups of minorities living there so big cities have more problems with violence.
JCB = Caterpillar, machines to move earth.
JCB is the British Caterpillar. There are JCB equipment in America but are more rare than other brands that sell better here.
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Shakespear or BillyB or LOD could help me out here: if the large cities with gun control (allegedly) were removed from USA statistics on gun violence, the USA as a whole would rank very low for gun violence.
Large cities do have a lot of crime but I don't blame the city's size for crime. If one looks at worldwide statistics for crime, they will see nations in Africa and Latin America having the highest frequency of crime. If one looks at crime by ethnic groups in America, one will find Latinos and African Americans committing violent crime at a much higher frequency than Asians or Caucasians. If you look at the violent crime rates of all ethnic groups in America and compared it to their homelands, it's near the same. In other words, African Americans in America are as violent as Africans. Asians in America are as violent as Asians back home. Latinos are as violent as their brothers in Latin America. Caucasians in America are about as violent as Europeans.
It's in our genes. Just happens many big cities have large groups of minorities living there so big cities have more problems with violence.
JCB = Caterpillar, machines to move earth.
JCB is the British Caterpillar. There are JCB equipment in America but are more rare than other brands that sell better here.
There are a number of ways to look at gun violence however I agree with what Billy just wrote, for the most part.
I was going into a 7/11 convenience store at a small town a couple of years ago and there was a black guy in the parking lot with what looked like a .45 caliber on his hip on one side and some magazines on the other hip.
I just minded my own business and proceeded into the 7/11 like any other day. I figured he was a law abiding citizen exercising his right to carry a firearm on his hip and I was 100% correct.
If he had been a bad guy he would not have made it out of that town anyways. If I had become a statistic so be it, the good Lord will take me when it’s my time.
Quora had an excellent answer about this, here is an excerpt:
Question:
If you removed the cities and states with the strictest gun control laws (ie: Chicago, Detroit, etc.) from the overall homicide by gun statistics, how would the USA then compare with other countries?
When you look at the top ten cities for deaths per 100,000 residents (in cities with >100,000 residents) we get some interesting numbers. In order these are:
St. Louis MO: 59.78
Baltimore, MD: 51.42
Detroit, MI: 45.25
New Orleans, LA: 43.81
Newark, NJ: 35.53
Cleveland, OH: 34.95
Jackson, MS: 34.10
Orlando, FL: 30.25
Memphis, TN: 28.96
North Charleston, SC: 28.96 (110,490 population, 32 murders)
Chicago comes in at #12: 28.07 (765 deaths with 2,725,153 population)
Now, look at the bottom, ie the safest cities.
Again quoting Quora.
Now, starting at the bottom:
7,655 cities reported NO murders. These represented 21.8% of the population.
The bottom 30% of murders in the United States came from 1755 cities. These represented 20.53% of the population.
So, there is a large swath of the country that is downright safe.
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Can you 'explain' what this 'agenda' is and how 'they' joined the MSN club...?
I mean, dare I point out this could be the product of folks wearing tin foil on their heads)))
Personally, I have no problem with you owning a target pistol..as long as it is used at a firing range and kept under lock and key, there
The 'agenda' I'm referring to is that of the LGBTQ community being an entirely innocent group of people who are nothing but oppressed and incapable of violence. The MSM would have you believe that this group holds the moral high-ground, when in actuality, they are a mixed bag of nuts just like the rest of the world (some good, some bad, many indifferent).
I have three separate shooting ranges set up on my property, including one long distance range where I will soon be testing a new rotary cannon. I also host numerous off-site magazine storage facilities where I'm able to legally warehouse bulk-quantity incendiary and propellant compounds (like black powder) for use in my larger cannons and mortars. As I become more interested in the subject culture of this forum, I'm considering the acquisition of a light Soviet tank… upon purchase I should probably just turn the keys over to you, right Moby?
Just joshing ya… it'll become the gatepiece of my future military museum here in Oil City.
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Some light-hearted humour of how people in Europe see this problem:
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Best way to legally defend yourself as a card-carrying enforcer of our Second Amendment rights USCCA Membership:
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/membership/ a bargain if you ever need it.
If you ever do have to defend yourself and are arrested you only say 2 things ...
I was in fear for my life (or loved ones) - and;
I want to call my lawyer NOW! (Numbers of pro 2nd Amendment lawyers are referred through USCCA Customer Service... Plus bail bonds if needed. That also goes for Brits visiting constitutional concealed carry states like Vermont, Maine and of course the Live Free or Die state of New Hampshire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry
Unfortunately, Florida is a Non-Permissive State - must be all the liberal New York wackos that retired there.
It is a stand your ground state iirc.
FYI Gun and Weapons Laws by State (Tasers, Pepper Spray, cattle prods etc):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state
Everything Cuffy wrote is correct.
However if you use a firearm it can easily run $100,000 or more in legal fees.
I can disarm or kill an intruder with a variety of methods which won’t cost so much to legally defend.
Sometimes the best defense is an NRA sticker placed on all windows.
A couple of mean hungry Dobermans or Pittbulls patrolling outside your fortress and some live Crocodiles swimming in the moat around your castle. :laugh:
But seriously some pepper spray, a legal knife and perhaps a legal electric zapper can incapacitate a crook.
Note USCCA Membership pays for Bail Bonds, Legal Representation, Days off Work, and Civil Judgements if any up to $250K, $500K and over $1 Million...
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Why automatic firearms are necessary.
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Why automatic firearms are necessary.
better to live in a nicer neighbor "hood"
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Why automatic firearms are necessary.
better to live in a nicer neighbor "hood"
Sure, that would be an option for those that can afford to pay more to live elsewhere, but for many that's not an option.
I've lived my entire life in the same rural area, and crime really was not an issue. We didn't even have to lock the doors. Since the Democrats opened up the state to a huge number of Somali, south Americans and other less than desirable folk, crime is getting out of control.
Of course all immigrants are good law abiding citizens according to the liberal media and the Democrats, so it's a mystery to why there's such an increase in crime?
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Why automatic firearms are necessary.
better to live in a nicer neighbor "hood"
Sure, that would be an option for those that can afford to pay more to live elsewhere, but for many that's not an option.
I've lived my entire life in the same rural area, and crime really was not an issue. We didn't even have to lock the doors. Since the Democrats opened up the state to a huge number of Somali, south Americans and other less than desirable folk, crime is getting out of control.
Of course all immigrants are good law abiding citizens according to the liberal media and the Democrats, so it's a mystery to why there's such an increase in crime?
Then I would prefer the semi-automatic over the fully automatic weapon.
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Brilliant:
We The People will defend the homeland. Please get out of our way, and don't even think about pointing federal guns at the sovereign authority, WE THE PEOPLE.
WE The People know the only thing between us and border security is the US federal government. Repel the invaders, or relinquish the authority to defend the USA. The sovereign authority will assume your federal duties.
Remove the federal obstacles and the path to US border security is clear.
The USA\Mexico border is 1954 miles long.
1954 miles x 5280 feet = 10317120 feet
10317120 feet divided by 3 = 3439040 yards
3439040 yards divided by 500 yards = Approx. 6878 sniper positions
6878 sniper posts x 2 soldiers each = 13756 men per shift
x 3 shifts per day = 41268 men in two man teams per day
x 4 shifts per day = 55024 men in two man teams per day
Plus some logistics and command personnel.
A force of less than 60,000 could secure the entire border 24\7\365 with sniper teams set at 500 yard intervals.
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Why automatic firearms are necessary.
The homeowner needs to work on his marksmanship. The only thing he got right was, "Anything worth shooting once is worth shooting twice." But really, all he did was put two rounds in his own door frame. In a perfect world, he'd have run the Mozambique Drill on the first ass clown, and then poppe the rest of them as they fled, although that's a "no-no" in blue states and in Britain.
B/B
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I think even I would have got the guy in the red top and the most I've shot is clay pigeons.
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TOP TEN REASONS HANDGUNS ARE BETTER THAN WOMEN
10.) You can trade an old 44 for two new 22's.
09.) You can have one handgun at home and another on the road.
08.) If you admire a friends handgun he will let you try a few rounds with it.
07.) You can have a back up handgun and no one will be upset.
06.) Your handgun will stay with you even if you are out ammo.
05.) A handgun does not take up allot of closet space.
04.) A handgun functions normally every day of the month.
03.) A handgun will not ask "Do these new grips, make me look fat."
02.) A handgun does not mind if you to sleep after you use it.
01.) You can buy a silencer for a handgun.
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TOP TEN REASONS HANDGUNS ARE BETTER THAN WOMEN
10.) You can trade an old 44 for two new 22's.
09.) You can have one handgun at home and another on the road.
08.) If you admire a friends handgun he will let you try a few rounds with it.
07.) You can have a back up handgun and no one will be upset.
06.) Your handgun will stay with you even if you are out ammo.
05.) A handgun does not take up allot of closet space.
04.) A handgun functions normally every day of the month.
03.) A handgun will not ask "Do these new grips, make me look fat."
02.) A handgun does not mind if you to sleep after you use it.
01.) You can buy a silencer for a handgun.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Good guy with a gun fails to prevent 3,374th successive US mass shooting
[urlhttps://newsthump.com/2019/07/29/good-guy-with-a-gun-fails-to-prevent-3374th-successive-us-mass-shooting/[/url]
”The good guy with a gun has been cited as an effective deterrent against firearm homicide, but has thus far failed to save any of the almost 300,000 Americans killed by firearms since 2000.
With yet another massacre taking place yesterday at a food festival in California, some Americans have started to wonder where the heck this good guy actually is – and some lone, dissenting voices have begun to question if he even exists.
However, NRA spokesman Simon-Bob Williams insisted the strategy was sound.
“If fewer people were armed we’d actually have more mass shootings, not less,” he told us with his eyes pointing in different directions."
Good 'ol newsthump..
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“Ayyy garlic festival time,” he wrote. “Come get wasted on overpriced shit.”
The guy was pissed off with overpriced garlic. :chuckle:
“hoards of mestizos and Silicon Valley white T-W-A-Ts”
Apparently only wants 100% rednecks around. (:)
“Why are you doing this?” and the gunman replied, “Because I’m really angry.”
"May the POS rest in Hell. Maybe people need to be 21 to buy?"
https://www.thedailybeast.com/gilroy-garlic-festival-shooting-suspect-santiago-legan-posted-about-far-right-book-moments-before-shooting
His since-deleted account's profile described him as Italian and Iranian.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/07/29/gilroy-garlic-festival-shooting-what-we-know/1854727001/
Age is not a valid criteria to approve the sales of guns to an individual. :duh: >:( :evilgrin0002: :fighting0025: :LIMP: :GRAVE:
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Good guy with a gun fails to prevent 3,374th successive US mass shooting
[urlhttps://newsthump.com/2019/07/29/good-guy-with-a-gun-fails-to-prevent-3374th-successive-us-mass-shooting/[/url]
”The good guy with a gun has been cited as an effective deterrent against firearm homicide, but has thus far failed to save any of the almost 300,000 Americans killed by firearms since 2000.
With yet another massacre taking place yesterday at a food festival in California, some Americans have started to wonder where the heck this good guy actually is – and some lone, dissenting voices have begun to question if he even exists.
However, NRA spokesman Simon-Bob Williams insisted the strategy was sound.
“If fewer people were armed we’d actually have more mass shootings, not less,” he told us with his eyes pointing in different directions."
Good 'ol newsthump..
The “good guy with a gun” was the Police Officer who shot and killed him.
We over here in civilization realize that you reprobates in Retardistan prefer to be stabbed, run over with a truck or have acid thrown in your faces. We don’t. :coffeeread:
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all those stabbings and scooter attacks in London and no one can defend themselves. libtards like moby thinks no guns makes it safer. no it doesn't you doofus
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The “good guy with a gun” was the Police Officer who shot and killed him.
We over here in civilization realize that you reprobates in Retardistan prefer to be stabbed, run over with a truck or have acid thrown in your faces. We don’t. :coffeeread:
Bravo!
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I found a Murder comparison rate site
written dreamt up by a wack-job from the US ...
https://igeek.com/w/U.S._vs_U.K._-_Crime/Murder (https://igeek.com/w/U.S._vs_U.K._-_Crime/Murder)
"Conclusion
Anyone vaguely informed on gun control issues knows is that the U.S. does not have a gun problem."[/quote]
:ROFL:
Yup, even in rural California - at a country show .. you're 'safe' ..
There's more daftness..
"Whites and Asian are highly responsible with guns, and have a lower murder rate than almost all of Europe and the OECD countries. We have a very specific problem: democrats, blacks and latino gang-members drag our murder and crime rates averages up.
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Democrats ? Not loonies from the KKK, or anti-establishment wackos... 'Democrats' ;) Now we know he's 'researched' without any bias' whatsoever :chuckle:...
The UK has a higher white murder rate, but they use clubs and knives rather than guns. Since I’m pretty sure most people don’t want to be stabbed or beaten to death, the important factor is whether you’re murdered or not (not the tool the murderer uses), right?
Another thing gun-controller advocates either don’t realize (or do, and lie about) is as bad as the U.S. is at murders or violent crime -- the UK is worse despite their gun control. England alone has something like 600 murdersby knife per year (and 26,370 knife crimes). Compare that to only 1,500 for the U.S., with over 5 times the population. Home invasion robberies, aggravated assault, violent rape, and stabbings are worse in the UK than in the U.S. And that's BEFORE you correct for race and gang crimes.
So in the end, when it comes to trends:
increasing gun control and taking away gun owners liberty only resulted in higher crimes and murder rates in the UK.
In the U.S., removing those laws resulted in lowering of crime rates
Anyone that tells you otherwise is trying to prestidigitate the numbers, and baffle you with bullshit and fallacies -- not explain the numbers and show their work, as I just did."
The US is less safe than Kenya, Pakistan, Turkey, Angola..to name a few nations some might regard as 'dangerous' ..
UNODC intentional homicide victims: intentional homicide victims per 100,000 inhabitants.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate)
The UK's intentional homocide rate is c.five times less
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Worldwide gun control is responsible for the deaths of approximately 100 Million innocents who could not protect themselves from their own government.
We in the USA have a very good idea what left-wingers would do to us if we were unarmed because they drop hints on a regular basis.
For example:
Hollywood actor Will Smith says America should be “cleansed” of Trump supporters.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/5078506859001/#sp=show-clips
This blood-thirsty Bolshevik wants white people “abolished”. As if the deaths of 50 Million Russians was not enough.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2002/sep/4/20020904-084657-6385r/
And this former Drexel Professor tweeted “All I want for Christmas is white genocide”.
https://www.thedp.com/article/2018/01/drexel-professor-controversial-christmas-tweet-resignation-philadelphia-upenn
As usual we can observe that those pushing class envy and violence against perceived enemies are Jews. No doubt that Will Smith’s masters in Hollywood put him up to his nasty comments.
Gun control always precedes a genocide committed by a Socialist/Communist government. The majority of those pushing for gun control are Jews in Academia and Politics.
No thanks! :coffeeread:
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moby handpicked another "article" from the web to support his "theories"? :ROFL: :ROFL: Tell you what mobers if you're being chased with a robber and a knife you come back to me if you need a gun or not. :popcorn:
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moby handpicked another "article" from the web to support his "theories"? :ROFL: :ROFL: Tell you what mobers if you're being chased with a robber and a knife you come back to me if you need a gun or not. :popcorn:
Your assuming I was looking for 'self-defenCe' or fashion 'advice' is your ever present error .. :coffeeread:
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So lucky California has totes strict gun laws that prevent this sort of thi....oh. Right. Never mind.
Meanwhile, on the news "If it bleeds, it leads." Did anyone hear about the Dixon, Illinois HS shooting that happened around the time of the Stoneman-Douglas attack?
No. Why? Because in Dixon the School Resource Officer (i.e. the "Good guy with gun") got the drop on the shooter, and shot him first: 1 wounded (the shooter), zero friendly casualties.
That's a "dog bites man" story, so you won't hear about it.
B/B
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So lucky California has totes strict gun laws that prevent this sort of thi....oh. Right. Never mind.
Meanwhile, on the news "If it bleeds, it leads." Did anyone hear about the Dixon, Illinois HS shooting that happened around the time of the Stoneman-Douglas attack?
No. Why? Because in Dixon the School Resource Officer (i.e. the "Good guy with gun") got the drop on the shooter, and shot him first: 1 wounded (the shooter), zero friendly casualties.
That's a "dog bites man" story, so you won't hear about it.
B/B
For those with an inability to 'get' the bloomin' obvious ... no easy access to guns ... less gun murders .. Lonnies with knives .. they get shot by the good guys who ARE tried how to use guns .. thank you
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While moby's post was somewhat incoherent, the innate logic of his point is hard to fault.
There were some 1.4 MILLION men, women and children now dead as a result of the American obsession with firearms between 1968 and 2017.
That's a pretty good-sized war or genocide.
Looked at another way, with an annual value of the gun industry to the USA of around $51 billion and 39,773 gun deaths in 2017, each death was worth $1.3 million to the U.S. economy.
Maybe you lot should go round and shoot a few more of your own people - that's the way to MAGA, right?
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While moby's post was somewhat incoherent
Ah, the joys of being able to correct spelling howlers ..
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While moby's post was somewhat incoherent, the innate logic of his point is hard to fault.
There were some 1.4 MILLION men, women and children now dead as a result of the American obsession with firearms between 1968 and 2017.
That's a pretty good-sized war or genocide.
Looked at another way, with an annual value of the gun industry to the USA of around $51 billion and 39,773 gun deaths in 2017, each death was worth $1.3 million to the U.S. economy.
Maybe you lot should go round and shoot a few more of your own people - that's the way to MAGA, right?
No, maybe we should invade that shithole city of London and eliminate your rat problems so that good people can walk around without being stabbed, run over or acid thrown in their face.
You’re welcome. :coffeeread:
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So lucky California has totes strict gun laws that prevent this sort of thi....oh. Right. Never mind.
Meanwhile, on the news "If it bleeds, it leads." Did anyone hear about the Dixon, Illinois HS shooting that happened around the time of the Stoneman-Douglas attack?
No. Why? Because in Dixon the School Resource Officer (i.e. the "Good guy with gun") got the drop on the shooter, and shot him first: 1 wounded (the shooter), zero friendly casualties.
That's a "dog bites man" story, so you won't hear about it.
B/B
Doesn’t fit the Commie narrative.
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For those with an inability to 'get' the bloomin' obvious ... no easy access to guns ... less gun murders .. Lonnies with knives .. they get shot by the good guys who ARE tried how to use guns .. thank you
First, given the broad distribution of guns within the US, legal issues aside, confiscation wouldn't work, and only the law-abiding would turn in their guns.
The criminals would LOVE it.
The problem is not guns, it's psychology. We have had a wide distribution of guns among all levels of American society since before the founding, and semi-auto technology for >100 years, yet school shootings only became a thing in the 80s and (primarily) the 90s and later.
What changed? Not the technology.
There were some 1.4 MILLION men, women and children now dead as a result of the American obsession with firearms between 1968 and 2017.
That's a pretty good-sized war or genocide.
Except one could say the same thing about automobile related deaths. Or, no doubt, smoking.
Maybe you lot should go round and shoot a few more of your own people - that's the way to MAGA, right?
Given who tends to shoot each other, it might actually be a net positive.
B/B
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For those with an inability to 'get' the bloomin' obvious ... no easy access to guns ... less gun murders .. Lonnies with knives .. they get shot by the good guys who ARE tried how to use guns .. thank you
First, given the broad distribution of guns within the US, legal issues aside, confiscation wouldn't work, and only the law-abiding would turn in their guns.
The criminals would LOVE it.
The problem is not guns, it's psychology. We have had a wide distribution of guns among all levels of American society since before the founding, and semi-auto technology for >100 years, yet school shootings only became a thing in the 80s and (primarily) the 90s and later.
What changed? Not the technology.
There were some 1.4 MILLION men, women and children now dead as a result of the American obsession with firearms between 1968 and 2017.
That's a pretty good-sized war or genocide.
Except one could say the same thing about automobile related deaths. Or, no doubt, smoking.
Maybe you lot should go round and shoot a few more of your own people - that's the way to MAGA, right?
Given who tends to shoot each other, it might actually be a net positive.
B/B
Mother Nature knows best!! :ROFL:
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Darwin baby!!
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While moby's post was somewhat incoherent, the innate logic of his point is hard to fault.
There were some 1.4 MILLION men, women and children now dead as a result of the American obsession with firearms between 1968 and 2017.
That's a pretty good-sized war or genocide.
Looked at another way, with an annual value of the gun industry to the USA of around $51 billion and 39,773 gun deaths in 2017, each death was worth $1.3 million to the U.S. economy.
Maybe you lot should go round and shoot a few more of your own people - that's the way to MAGA, right?
You genocidal Retards managed to kill 60 Millions in WWI and II and another 50 Millions by Communism.
We realize your incredibly STUPID and don’t see the value in self defense but we do. Don’t bother attempting to lecture your SUPERIORS. :coffeeread:
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For those with an inability to 'get' the bloomin' obvious ... no easy access to guns ... less gun murders .. Lonnies with knives .. they get shot by the good guys who ARE tried how to use guns .. thank you
does "tried" mean "trained" in natural English? and you forgot the "in"...teacher my arse :ROFL: :ROFL:
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Your assuming I was looking for 'self-defenCe' or fashion 'advice' is your ever present error .. :coffeeread:
Is English your first language or are you drinking and trolling......again??
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For those with an inability to 'get' the bloomin' obvious ... no easy access to guns ... less gun murders .. Lonnies with knives .. they get shot by the good guys who ARE tried how to use guns .. thank you
First, given the broad distribution of guns within the US, legal issues aside, confiscation wouldn't work, and only the law-abiding would turn in their guns.
The criminals would LOVE it.
The problem is not guns, it's psychology. We have had a wide distribution of guns among all levels of American society since before the founding, and semi-auto technology for >100 years, yet school shootings only became a thing in the 80s and (primarily) the 90s and later.
What changed? Not the technology.
There were some 1.4 MILLION men, women and children now dead as a result of the American obsession with firearms between 1968 and 2017.
That's a pretty good-sized war or genocide.
Except one could say the same thing about automobile related deaths. Or, no doubt, smoking.
Maybe you lot should go round and shoot a few more of your own people - that's the way to MAGA, right?
Given who tends to shoot each other, it might actually be a net positive.
B/B
Personally I do think that the US has a gun 'problem' and I feel safer over here than I do in the US. Personal opinion of course.
That said, you're absolutely right about the horse having already bolted and an amnesty would leave the good guys without guns, and the bad guys armed to the teeth. Not sure that'll ever change now.
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Is English your first language or are you drinking and trolling......again??
Suggest checking the mirror before posting more of your mindless and non relevant Bollox....
In the meantime, FACTS show you are five times more likely to be murdered in the US ..
A Gun amnesty or two has worked in lowering multiple shootings in other nations...not just the UK...
The attitude to guns ( "I need them to protect myself") is not borne out in reality... Most US folks die due to planned violence or carelessness with a tool supposed to 'protect'...
This is a very good example of a constitution written nearly 250 years ago needing a serious rethink..
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Your assuming I was looking for 'self-defenCe' or fashion 'advice' is your ever present error .. :coffeeread:
Is English your first language or are you drinking and trolling......again??
hahaha....for a supposed "natural" English speaker from the UK, moooby has some of the worse grammar and speech. Watch his vids to hear his hitch and wrong inflections when he speaks.
Fashion advice? From a power bottom like you?! :ROFL:
I can communicate in Russian, my 4th language almost as good as he can in English :ROFL: :ROFL:
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Capital One : What's in your wallet?
Response: 20 guns. :chuckle:
https://news.yahoo.com/capital-one-hack-suspect-threatened-102808493.html
Fair says the 19-year-old appears to have been a loner, and he notes that people who act alone are "exceptionally dangerous" because they often don't communicate their plans to anyone in advance.
https://news.yahoo.com/latest-festival-shooters-kin-worried-153641858.html
Aren't they all loners? Remember that loneliness breeds contempt. >:( :D :GRRRR: :nod:
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No, maybe we should invade that shithole city of London and eliminate your rat problems so that good people can walk around without being stabbed, run over or acid thrown in their face.
You’re welcome. :coffeeread:
Deal with your own self-inflicted issues, first ..
I mean who needs such a gun ?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49221936 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49221936)
Another 20 people gone to a loonie with access to a military weapon..
The US 'answer' .. "we need more people with guns to defend ourselves" :'(
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Right on cue, the DNC never misses an opportunity to profit from tragedy.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/el-paso-native-beto-orourke-fellow-democratic-candidates/story%3fid=64762694
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Avoidable tragedy...wake up USA... stop blaming loonies, blacks, Hispanics and plenty of other excuses..
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Avoidable tragedy...wake up USA... stop blaming loonies, blacks, Hispanics and plenty of other excuses..
We’re not even remotely interested in your opinion Moby. To me you’re an effeminate pink shirt wearing busy-body who should STFU and mind your own affairs. No doubt you’ll be short changing someone you do business with in the near future. Worry about how you’re gonna extract yourself from that situation should you piss off the wrong guy.
The 40 to 50 Million Russians who were murdered in cold-blood by Bolsheviks was an avoidable tragedy. Instead of obeying the authorities and turning in their firearms they should have been doing what we are doing: buying more firearms and more ammunition.
We know the history of Communism, we’ve studied it and Millions of Americans are prepared for when a lunatic like Bernie Sanders or Corey Booker gain power.
In the meantime mind your own affairs. We see multiple avoidable tragedies brewing in London and elsewhere in the UK. Chances are your kids or grandkids will pay for your cavalier attitude. :coffeeread:
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Another 20 people gone to a loonie with access to a military weapon..
Avoidable tragedy...wake up USA... stop blaming loonies, blacks, Hispanics and plenty of other excuses..
Telling the judge that it was the gun's fault isn't going to get sympathy from a judge. Criminals would love to have you as their judge. What's wrong with blaming the thugs and loonies that pull the trigger?
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Personally I do think that the US has a gun 'problem' and I feel safer over here than I do in the US. Personal opinion of course.
/shrugs. It's your choice. I don't feel any more or less safe in one country or another. It's more a matter of situational awareness and not being foolish.
That said, you're absolutely right about the horse having already bolted and an amnesty would leave the good guys without guns, and the bad guys armed to the teeth. Not sure that'll ever change now.
Fundamentally that's a huge problem - even if one *wanted* to confiscate guns (Hint: it wouldn't work), that would be the result, although many of the "good guys" wouldn't give up their guns, myself included.
That said it amuses me when some liberal moron here - usually a friend of a friend - will talk about having some sort of 2nd civil war. Me: "Think this over: my side has 80 - 100M guns, a trillion rounds of ammo, and we go down to the range an practice a lot. Your side thinks 'words' hurt people and you throw a fit if Starbux runs out of caramel frapuccinos."
B/B
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Telling the judge that it was the gun's fault isn't going to get sympathy from a judge. Criminals would love to have you as their judge. What's wrong with blaming the thugs and loonies that pull the trigger?
Boy the lame excuses the NRA dream uip and daft sops repeat ..
We remove dangerous toys from children - 'coz they can't be trusted - do not know the dangers involved - or can hurt themselves ( or others) when having a tantrum..
Sadly, as we've seen in the past few days.. some adults behave like kids and US law allows them access to realy dangerous 'toys' ... the answer ... like in Australia, UK ... remove the really sily toys that only Police and Military should have...
B.B suggests 'crims' won't hand their toys over and only the good guys will.. that's just ANOTHER lame excuse .. Is the US SO diiferent to other countries.. once acceptance that one's pleasure / trustworthiness has to be ignored - in the face of an endemic problem ..
You keep on making excuses and telling us 'we don't understand' .. Tell that to those who've been victims of the 'toys' in the hands of loonies.. or those who are filled with rage / rascist hatred ..
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Tell that to those who've been victims of the 'toys' in the hands of loonies.. or those who are filled with rage / rascist hatred ..
soy boy moby again trying to "empathize" with the victims...you don't care about anyone other than yourself so stop pretending. :'(
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That said it amuses me when some liberal moron here - usually a friend of a friend - will talk about having some sort of 2nd civil war. Me: "Think this over: my side has 80 - 100M guns, a trillion rounds of ammo, and we go down to the range an practice a lot. Your side thinks 'words' hurt people and you throw a fit if Starbux runs out of caramel frapuccinos."
B/B
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Another 20 people gone to a loonie with access to a military weapon..
Avoidable tragedy...wake up USA... stop blaming loonies, blacks, Hispanics and plenty of other excuses..
Telling the judge that it was the gun's fault isn't going to get sympathy from a judge. Criminals would love to have you as their judge. What's wrong with blaming the thugs and loonies that pull the trigger?
I agree, its judge's with these liberal attitudes that are killing us. The police, jump through hoops and risk their lives to catch criminals, only for fuzzy thinking lefty judges to either dismiss or hand out pathetically weak sentences.
Moby has already said on another thread that its about removing the weapons. I'll not repeat what I said there but its either an incredibly simplistic way to look at the world or a sad blame culture where we put the actions of people and make it the object that is responsible.
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soy boy moby again trying to "empathize" with the victims...you don't care about anyone other than yourself so stop pretending. :'(
I know you have a short-memory - but I spent three years in a vivil war - with soldiers on the streets and seeing - first hand - what guns and bombs do..
So, no 'pretence'.. I watched the US army kid - who wept as regaled pulling kids from the Mall .. such memories will haunt him ..
Another sting troll bites the dust ..
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I agree, its judge's with these liberal attitudes that are killing us. The police, jump through hoops and risk their lives to catch criminals, only for fuzzy thinking lefty judges to either dismiss or hand out pathetically weak sentences.
:ROFL:
Ooops ... yet another Rosco fail..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19641398 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19641398)
Why British police don’t have guns
"Tourists and visitors regularly express surprise at the absence of firearms from the waists of officers patrolling the streets.
But to most inhabitants of the UK - with the notable exception of Northern Ireland - it is a normal, unremarkable state of affairs that most front-line officers do not carry guns.
Greater Manchester Chief Constable Sir Peter Fahy was quick to speak in support of the status quo.
"We are passionate that the British style of policing is routinely unarmed policing. Sadly we know from the experience in America and other countries that having armed officers certainly does not mean, sadly, that police officers do not end up getting shot."
But one thing is clear. When asked, police officers say overwhelmingly that they wish to remain unarmed.
A 2006 survey of 47,328 Police Federation members found 82% did not want officers to be routinely armed on duty, despite almost half saying their lives had been "in serious jeopardy" during the previous three years.
It is a position shared by the Police Superintendents' Association and the Association of Chief Police Officers."
So, it's the British Police that do not want to be seen carrying guns routinely - NOTHING to do with 'lefie Judges... and HOW long have the Tories been in power ?
Moby has already said on another thread that its about removing the weapons. I'll not repeat what I said there but its either an incredibly simplistic way to look at the world or a sad blame culture where we put the actions of people and make it the object that is responsible.
'Simplistic' but after incidents - like Dunblane - it's proven successful..
The US way isn't working ... ours is ..
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Another 20 people gone to a loonie with access to a military weapon..
Avoidable tragedy...wake up USA... stop blaming loonies, blacks, Hispanics and plenty of other excuses..
Telling the judge that it was the gun's fault isn't going to get sympathy from a judge. Criminals would love to have you as their judge. What's wrong with blaming the thugs and loonies that pull the trigger?
I agree, its judge's with these liberal attitudes that are killing us. The police, jump through hoops and risk their lives to catch criminals, only for fuzzy thinking lefty judges to either dismiss or hand out pathetically weak sentences.
Moby has already said on another thread that its about removing the weapons. I'll not repeat what I said there but its either an incredibly simplistic way to look at the world or a sad blame culture where we put the actions of people and make it the object that is responsible.
I believe the terrorist attack in Paris at a concert proved that criminals can get weapons.
Local to me a College was a “gun free zone”. Sadly all that meant was that nearly all of the students obeyed the law, but one disgruntled guy on meds didn’t and he murdered many of his fellow students in cold blood.
I’ve read that nearly all of the shooters have been found to being on psychiatric medications. I’m 100% for requiring Doctors to report this and to have law enforcement make sure they don’t have access to firearms.
As we have noted before: there are approximately 100 Million law abiding citizens in the USA who own firearms and who take gun safety very seriously and most will never break a law.
To enact draconian laws to attempt to deprive law abiding citizens from having firearms because of a few lunatics on medications would be backwards and irrational.
Besides the fact nearly all are/were on medications (assuming many are killed while committing their actions) many or most are males who did not have a father figure in their lives.
It’s popular to blame “toxic masculinity” for problems in society when in fact the lack of two parents, one feminine and one masculine, is the real problem. Boys in adolescence and during their teen years need a positive father figure both as a role model but to also set and enforce discipline and boundaries.
Some will claim that movie and video violence doesn’t contribute. I believe it does and many professionals, whether Pastors or Psychiatrists agree. Many of the shooters played violent video games where they could practice shooting at “bad guys” in a military game or violent criminal game.
Now add very dangerous meds into the mix of a young guy who didn’t have a father and who plays violent video games. Maybe he’s also disgruntled about immigration or other social issues. Horrific crimes might ensue.
There’s also a possibility that these shooters have been drugged and groomed to commit these crimes. Anyone who has read about MK Ultra and Gladio programs of the CIA would seriously consider that possibility.
In a perfect World criminals would turn in their weapons and then many citizens might also turn in guns. There would only be hunting rifles issued to legitimate hunters.
Clearly criminals will never cooperate and as we have witnessed history we know that government can be the largest group of criminals.
Our 2nd amendment no matter how imperfect it appears to outsiders gives balance in a crazy World.
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Why British police don’t have guns
"Tourists and visitors regularly express surprise at the absence of firearms from the waists of officers patrolling the streets.
But to most inhabitants of the UK - with the notable exception of Northern Ireland - it is a normal, unremarkable state of affairs that most front-line officers do not carry guns.
Random wooden tops dont have guns of course. Most frontline officers are a quick radio call away from an armed response unit though. Lots of British police have guns actually, not just the ARUs, but police in airports and other places where Muslims may feel inclined to self combust are armed. There are also lots of protection officers and numerous other departments - mostly plain clothes - where the officers have what the USAians call concealed carry.
I'd support more armed police in the UK if properly trained with a suitable IQ. Random wooden tops are OK with a truncheon.
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I agree, its judge's with these liberal attitudes that are killing us. The police, jump through hoops and risk their lives to catch criminals, only for fuzzy thinking lefty judges to either dismiss or hand out pathetically weak sentences.
:ROFL:
Ooops ... yet another Rosco fail..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19641398 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19641398)
Why British police don’t have guns
"Tourists and visitors regularly express surprise at the absence of firearms from the waists of officers patrolling the streets.
But to most inhabitants of the UK - with the notable exception of Northern Ireland - it is a normal, unremarkable state of affairs that most front-line officers do not carry guns.
Greater Manchester Chief Constable Sir Peter Fahy was quick to speak in support of the status quo.
"We are passionate that the British style of policing is routinely unarmed policing. Sadly we know from the experience in America and other countries that having armed officers certainly does not mean, sadly, that police officers do not end up getting shot."
But one thing is clear. When asked, police officers say overwhelmingly that they wish to remain unarmed.
A 2006 survey of 47,328 Police Federation members found 82% did not want officers to be routinely armed on duty, despite almost half saying their lives had been "in serious jeopardy" during the previous three years.
It is a position shared by the Police Superintendents' Association and the Association of Chief Police Officers."
So, it's the British Police that do not want to be seen carrying guns routinely - NOTHING to do with 'lefie Judges... and HOW long have the Tories been in power ?
Moby has already said on another thread that its about removing the weapons. I'll not repeat what I said there but its either an incredibly simplistic way to look at the world or a sad blame culture where we put the actions of people and make it the object that is responsible.
'Simplistic' but after incidents - like Dunblane - it's proven successful..
The US way isn't working ... ours is ..
You sir are a complete idiot. Where did I even start to debate why British police have guns??
You’re either purposely swerving or you’re too stupid to follow a simple thread. Read what I write, ask if you’re unsure and let’s get back on track.
Perhaps it’s your stupidity that causes you to disagree and argue with anything that moves.
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Turns out that the Dayton, Ohio shooter was a staunch supporter of Antifa. You can safely say anyone who supports that group is a dedicated Communist. Now imagine the orgy of mass murder which would ensue in the USA if a Communist won the Presidency. In this case he was quickly killed by Police who say he could have murdered a hundred or more if he had not been so quickly stopped.
https://thecount.com/2019/08/04/connor-betts-antifa-member-bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-supporter/
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I know you have a short-memory - but I spent three years in a vivil war - with soldiers on the streets and seeing - first hand - what guns and bombs do..
So, no 'pretence'.. I watched the US army kid - who wept as regaled pulling kids from the Mall .. such memories will haunt him ..
what's a "vivil war"? Which country was this? The Irish Civil war was in 1922, you that old? haha
Stop lying again. You never lived 3 years in a country with a civil war. You whole life is one big fiction story.
And learn how to spell doofus.
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This is juicy! :chuckle:
The Dayton, Ohio shooter was a gun-control supporter! You just cannot make this stuff up! Do as I say, not as I do....
“Ironically, he was even a rabid supporter of gun control, using it to levy attacks against Republicans.
“This is America: Guns on every corner, guns in every house, no freedom but that to kill,” he wrote in December 2018. And, “’Tis! The pistol is a Beretta 93R, called the REK7 in BO4. Do love me some guns!” He also wrote, “Hammer, brick, gun.” On Feb. 14, 2018, he tweeted this at Sen. Rob Portman: “@robportman hey rob. How much did they pay you to look the other way? 17 kids are dead. If not now, when?” That was the date of the mass shooting at a school in Parkland, Florida…”
https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/2019/08/04/dayton-shooter-leftist-elizabeth-warren-fan/
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Watching the news today was very sobering. It was very sad to see photos of the victims and hear stories about their lives.
President Trump gave a speech denouncing white nationalism since the El Paso shooter had allegedly posted some sort of screed expressing hatred of Hispanic immigrants.
The violent actions of the El Paso shooter only makes the situation much worse and paints all white males in a bad light, the last thing we need.
Trump has asked Social Media companies to better monitor posters and for psychiatric patients to possibly be detained.
I hope Trump will also denounce Antifa and declare it a domestic terrorism group.
Violence is never the answer. Stupid!
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https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/dayton-attacker-showed-ex-girlfriend-175919827.html
The Dayton shooter acted strangely in the classroom according to other students. He had a "hit list" and "rape list". Imagine showing a video of a mass shooting to your lady on a first date. That date would probably end up quickly in a blink of the eye. :chuckle:
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I’ll just put this here for people to consider.
THE CIA'S APPALLING HUMAN EXPERIMENTS WITH MIND CONTROL
MK-Ultra’s “mind control” experiments generally centered around behavior modification via electro-shock therapy, hypnosis, polygraphs, radiation, and a variety of drugs, toxins, and chemicals. These experiments relied on a range of test subjects: some who freely volunteered, some who volunteered under coercion, and some who had absolutely no idea they were involved in a sweeping defense research program. From mentally-impaired boys at a state school, to American soldiers, to “sexual psychopaths” at a state hospital, MK-Ultra’s programs often preyed on the most vulnerable members of society. The CIA considered prisoners especially good subjects, as they were willing to give consent in exchange for extra recreation time or commuted sentences.
https://www.history.com/mkultra-operation-midnight-climax-cia-lsd-experiments
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"His intent was not to cause peace or comfort to anybody that was in the business here,"
https://news.yahoo.com/armed-man-arrested-missouri-walmart-003703105.html
Now we get shooters from Europe (or their offspring) into this country? Build the wall on the Atlantic Ocean. :chuckle:
They seem to be targeting Walmart stores. Must be a conspiracy to shift the trade balance against China. :chuckle:
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"His intent was not to cause peace or comfort to anybody that was in the business here,"
https://news.yahoo.com/armed-man-arrested-missouri-walmart-003703105.html
Now we get shooters from Europe (or their offspring) into this country? Build the wall on the Atlantic Ocean. :chuckle:
They seem to be targeting Walmart stores. Must be a conspiracy to shift the trade balance against China. :chuckle:
The article says this:
Since January 2017, Missouri has not required a permit to openly or conceal carry a firearm for those 19 years or older. Roughly 30 states allow the open carrying of handguns and rifles and shotguns in public without a permit.
So in fact he may have been on his way to a shooting range and popped in for a bottle of milk not wanting to leave his guns in the car?
Walmart dont seem overly concerned:
Walmart issued a statement Friday that praised authorities for stopping the incident from escalating. It said Andreychenko is no longer welcome in its stores.
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"His intent was not to cause peace or comfort to anybody that was in the business here,"
https://news.yahoo.com/armed-man-arrested-missouri-walmart-003703105.html
Now we get shooters from Europe (or their offspring) into this country? Build the wall on the Atlantic Ocean. :chuckle:
They seem to be targeting Walmart stores. Must be a conspiracy to shift the trade balance against China. :chuckle:
The article says this:
Since January 2017, Missouri has not required a permit to openly or conceal carry a firearm for those 19 years or older. Roughly 30 states allow the open carrying of handguns and rifles and shotguns in public without a permit.
So in fact he may have been on his way to a shooting range and popped in for a bottle of milk not wanting to leave his guns in the car?
Walmart dont seem overly concerned:
Walmart issued a statement Friday that praised authorities for stopping the incident from escalating. It said Andreychenko is no longer welcome in its stores.
Did you notice much MSM coverage of this incident? Not much, because it goes against their preferred narrative. In this case the potential gunman was apprehended by another citizen who drew his firearm and detained him until Police arrived. A citizen using a gun, to stop another from committing gun violence.
Not sure why you say Walmart wasn’t overly concerned. Here’s their statement:
Walmart issued a statement Friday that praised authorities for stopping the incident from escalating. It said Andreychenko is no longer welcome in its stores.
"This was a reckless act designed to scare people, disrupt our business and it put our associates and customers at risk," said spokeswoman LeMia Jenkins. "We applaud the quick actions of our associates to evacuate customers from our store, and we're thankful no one was injured.”
Quoted from your link.
BTW I’ve read elsewhere that the citizen who apprehended him had a concealed carry permit. I’ve been at a Walmart and a grocery store where a customer had a gun in a holster.
The difference being that someone walking around with a rifle like he was, is considered to be brandishing a weapon. A handgun or pistol in a holster is not being brandished.
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Cornfed, if it wasn't getting press - why was it on BBC, Euronews, RT, DW, France 24 .... ?
Waiting for any wise ass tostill try and tell me - now - that the El Paso shooter was 'liberal' :ROFL:
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“He said he wanted to see if the Walmart manager would respect his Second Amendment rights,”
It is illegal to knowingly communicate an implied threat to cause an incident or condition involving danger to life or cause fear that a condition existed involving danger to life.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/09/us/missouri-walmart-terrorist-threat.html
Than I guess if I walked into the grocery store bearing a machete and trying to see how I would cut a portion of beef steak, I would be hindered? :chuckle: (:)
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Than I guess if I walked into the grocery store bearing a machete and trying to see how I would cut a portion of beef steak, I would be hindered? :chuckle: (:)
Seems both likely, and not a bad thing!
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The govt. couldn’t keep Epstein alive but expect us to trust them to keep us safe if we turn in our firearms.
Meanwhile Hollywood made a film about wealthy people paying to hunt rural people.
Sure, trust the government and trust wealthy Democrats. Not.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1V00TG
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On the local TV station, they aired an episode back on the weekend from CSI Miami where the plot was about humans who were used as hunting targets by a club of wealthy hunters. I guess it was the sequential episode during its airing, so was just a coincidence. :-\
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On the local TV station, they aired an episode back on the weekend from CSI Miami where the plot was about humans who were used as hunting targets by a club of wealthy hunters. I guess it was the sequential episode during its airing, so was just a coincidence. :-\
Perhaps this is based on the short story, 'The Most Dangerous Game'. Perhaps 20 years ago it was also a theme of one of the Chuck Norris TV series.
There was also S. Black's The Lottery, I sort of doubt they would be published today
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On the local TV station, they aired an episode back on the weekend from CSI Miami where the plot was about humans who were used as hunting targets by a club of wealthy hunters. I guess it was the sequential episode during its airing, so was just a coincidence. :-\
Perhaps this is based on the short story, 'The Most Dangerous Game'. Perhaps 20 years ago it was also a theme of one of the Chuck Norris TV series.
There was also S. Black's The Lottery, I sort of doubt they would be published today
Oops, the risk of trusting your memory, the writer was Shirley Jackson. :-[
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Another six people dead (including the gun man) in the nation where guns are to 'protect' lives.
Milwaukee
Molson Brewery employee kills 5 co-workers..
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/02/26/molson-coors-shooting/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/02/26/molson-coors-shooting/)
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But was any beer harmed? :biggrin:
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But was any beer harmed? :biggrin:
I've tasted Molson, and I can confirm that's a pre-existing condition
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But was any beer harmed? :biggrin:
I've tasted Molson, and I can confirm that's a pre-existing condition
Are either Molson or Coors beer? I assumed it was elk or caribou pee canned.
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But was any beer harmed? :biggrin:
I've tasted Molson, and I can confirm that's a pre-existing condition
Are either Molson or Coors beer? I assumed it was elk or caribou pee canned.
:ROFL: tiphat
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But was any beer harmed? :biggrin:
I've tasted Molson, and I can confirm that's a pre-existing condition
Are either Molson or Coors beer? I assumed it was elk or caribou pee canned.
Alcohol is the fermented product of bacteria waste. So it is a form of "urine". (:) :biggrin: :) :scared0005:
In one hole and out the other. :ROFL:
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McDonald’s staff shot ‘after telling customers they could not eat in due to Covid-19’
Two suspects opened fire after reportedly being told they could not dine inside the McDonald’s due to coronavirus restrictions.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/mcdonalds-shooting-staff-shot-after-21987597.amp
:coffeeread:
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Eleven people were shot over less than 12 hours in New York City :o
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8469537/Eleven-people-shot-12-hours-hours-NY-including-woman-wounded-head.html
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Eleven people were shot over less than 12 hours in New York City :o
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8469537/Eleven-people-shot-12-hours-hours-NY-including-woman-wounded-head.html
NYC Mayor Heblowshard first step in Defunding NYC Police was to eliminate the 600 plain clothes officers in the violent crimes task force because they were prosecuting too many Negroe-Americans like DeBlosios kids. Classic BLMarxists thinking what could go wrong?
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This guy also shot a few people.. though he says "Jerry made me do it". :laugh:
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/former-police-officer-admits-golden-171731296.html
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This guy also shot a few people.. though he says "Jerry made me do it". :laugh:
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/former-police-officer-admits-golden-171731296.html
Police used DNA from crime scenes to find a distant relative through a popular genealogy website database then built a family tree that eventually led to DeAngelo. They tailed him and secretly collected DNA from his car door and a discarded tissue to get an arrest warrant.
Thats pretty clever to be fair.
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This guy also shot a few people.. though he says "Jerry made me do it". :laugh:
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/former-police-officer-admits-golden-171731296.html
Police used DNA from crime scenes to find a distant relative through a popular genealogy website database then built a family tree that eventually led to DeAngelo. They tailed him and secretly collected DNA from his car door and a discarded tissue to get an arrest warrant.
Thats pretty clever to be fair.
The world is full of nutters... were watching videos now all evening about crime in the US.. interesting wife already feeling sick :sick0012:
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were watching videos now all evening about crime in the US.. interesting wife already feeling sick :sick0012:
Mine is in no rush to go back there TBH. Nor am I. With a rampant virus, an unstable president, all the BLM rubbish, food full of corn syrup and hormones, cops killing people and everyone else shooting each other, ESTA/visa to buy and a three hour airport queue to get in, whose dashing back there? :hidechair:
Pyongyang is way more appealing. :nod:
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Watched this last night..
It really is not a nice place to live UNLESS your loaded.. and getting worse by the day Im sure..
Even if you do have a reasonable job it is easy to understand why so many Americans visit the shrink thinking about the future, stress of every day living.. Do you really think todays modern Russian women is going to want to live there/ UNLESS you're loaded..
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Watched this last night..
It really is not a nice place to live UNLESS your loaded.. and getting worse by the day Im sure..
Even if you do have a reasonable job it is easy to understand why so many Americans visit the shrink thinking about the future, stress of every day living.. Do you really think todays modern Russian women is going to want to live there/ UNLESS you're loaded..
This is the liberal west coast. Everything is expensive. There are a lot regulation that make building expensive. They have some high paying jobs but if you do not have one you can not afford housing. I do not know why anyone chooses to live there unless you make a few million per year.
The problem we are having in Texas is people come from California and want to settle here. Why it is a problem is they bring their liberal ideas and try to make this state like the one they left. Most Texan are not very impressed with anything to do with California or Californians. There was a movement where they wanted to leave the Union because the rest of the country did not understand there version of liberalism. Well we still do not understand.
Manny once said USA has no cultural. Well there is a huge cultural divide between Texas and California. It is amazing that you can have such a huge divide in something that does not exist.
The trouble with many Europeans you do not understand the different parts of the USA and how different they are. Cultural, life style, standard of living and the cost of everything is very different depending where in the USA you are.
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The trouble with many Europeans you do not understand the different parts of the USA and how different they are. Cultural, life style, standard of living and the cost of everything is very different depending where in the USA you are.
That's probably true. You likely have to live there to get the cultural differences within.
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Guns don't kill people, leftist politicians do.