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Information & Chat => Adventure Stories & Travel Reports => The Train Wreck Room => Topic started by: tainted on October 18, 2009, 05:29:15 PM
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i just got back from Odessa where i was to meet a woman i have been talking to for over a year..
the last night she told me she wanted me to come back and we would keep in touch over emails..
I have been home over a month now and still havent heard from her..
i have to admit...im pretty broken up over this..
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i just got back from Odessa where i was to meet a woman i have been talking to for over a year..
the last night she told me she wanted me to come back and we would keep in touch over emails..
I have been home over a month now and still havent heard from her..
i have to admit...im pretty broken up over this..
i guess i put this in the wrong spot.
why dont i see the "train wreck room" on the front page?
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Could be for many reasons ..... can you not call her?
I think you have to make 3(?) posts to see all the site menu's.
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Welcome to our forum. Perhaps if you told us some of your story we might be able to provide some 'speculation-insight' for you to consider.
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i cant call her because i didnt ask for her phone #
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Welcome to the forum :)
If this should be in the other area the Moderators can move it.
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Welcome to our forum. Perhaps if you told us some of your story we might be able to provide some 'speculation-insight' for you to consider.
OK, I'll do that..
I went looking through Anastasia's website and i came a cross a few girls and started talking to them..
then out of nowhere i see a woman that i couldnt get my eyes off of..so i sent her a mail and we started talking and talked for 4 months......i lost my job and had to move so money was tight and i didnt talk to her again for about 3 months but when i could i sent her a mail and she said she was still single.
so we talked for another 4 months and i made plans to go see her..
we talked over the phone through the Anastasia's phone service and i got her interpreters phone number.
so..i went to Odessa to meet this woman and we did meet...we had a really good time.
at the end of our last night she told me she wanted to wait until her schooling was over and that she wanted me to wait another year for her to finish...i agreed.
so she said she wanted to see me again and gave me her email...
its been over a month and i still havnt heard from her yet..
Now..i did pay for everything..which i knew i would..,,like dinners and such..
but i asked her if she wanted me to buy her things like a new jacket and/or a new pillow and she always said she didnt want it.
Now..its been over a MONTH.....i paid the translator $20 US Dollars a hour...i have heard that they should only charge about $10 an hour..
so..now i feel that they split the 20 an hour money and they each made 10 an hour.
at this point i have no idea what to think...but i do know she has her own laptop but no internet at her house..
i am just so lost.
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Yep, you’ve been scammed.
Suggest you spend a much time as possible reading everything you can here before you do anything else related to FSU women.
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Yep, you’ve been scammed.
Suggest you spend a much time as possible reading everything you can here before you do anything else related to FSU women.
Ok, thanks, but scammed in what way?
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At a guess your lady was probably getting a cut from:
All communications via Anastasia
Your apartment
Taxis
Interpreter
If you weren’t scammed then you have to wise up to the fact that she isn’t interested in taking your relationship further. If she wanted to contact you then she would do so.
With regards her not wanting a new jacket and/or a new pillow then maybe she would have found it difficult to explain such items to her boyfriend/husband.
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well....i understand that....thanks alot..
but what i dont understand is this..
Her name is NAME REMOVED BY REQUEST
she was EVENT REMOVED BY REQUEST
LINK REMOVED BY REQUEST
she is a well known model.
she makes better money being a model then she could have gotten doing this as a scam.
i am just so damn lost...all i know is that everything i have been planning on and dreaming about for the last year is now gone....
i dont think i will ever do this again.
edited by Shakespear by request of op
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How old are you?
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Not sure why that matters...but i am 39
here is her and i.
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Not sure why that matters...but i am 39
here is her and i.
An off topic question, do you guys (Anglo- Saxon and FSU gals) consider this girl to be "white" based on her photos?
My guess is the answer is "no" but I prefer to ask.
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Not sure why that matters...but i am 39
here is her and i.
An off topic question, do you guys (Anglo- Saxon and FSU gals) consider this girl to be "white" based on her photos?
My guess is the answer is "no" but I prefer to ask.
what does that have to do with ANYTHING?
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Not sure why that matters...but i am 39
here is her and i.
An off topic question, do you guys (Anglo- Saxon and FSU gals) consider this girl to be "white" based on her photos?
My guess is the answer is "no" but I prefer to ask.
what does that have to do with ANYTHING?
Nothing, that's why I wrote it was an off topic question, just I needed an outsider point of view after watching some videos about hate crimes in Russia related to racism. And the girl has the perfect physical characteristics to confirm what I suspect.
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ok...
she is a descendant from India.
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ok...
she is a descendant from India.
Ok thank you, non white then.
P.S. Sorry for temporarily hijacking your topic.
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Ok..so what im hearing is that she did this to make a few hundred bucks?
that doesnt even sound right. :'(
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P.S. Sorry for temporarily hijacking your topic.
its ok...sorry im in such a rotten mood.
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i cant call her because i didnt ask for her phone #
you've talked to her for over a year and don't have her number??? :scared0005:
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whats the point?
i cant speak russian.. :coffeeread:
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Did you have sex with her?
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No
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I ask because I fail to see any other reason why you would want to date her.
As I wrote before, you need to do some reading. I’d ignore the age gape warnings as IMO 19 years is no big deal …. provided she is at least 25/26.
Your age is relevant because if you were say 24 then I would be more sympathetic to your current confused plight. ‘Date’ some 20 year old models (or average looking waitresses) back home and you will be equally confused … it’s what kids do, they are good at it.
Play, fire, burnt etc.
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Ok..so what im hearing is that she did this to make a few hundred bucks?
that doesnt even sound right. :'(
It's actually amazing how low some women can be for a few hundred bucks, before jumping into the FSU pool again I would recommend to educate yourself as much as you can (read the forums, books, and first hand experience from other posters). Although you no longer need a visa to enter Ukraine, remember the same applies to other western men from other countries, so the "mail order bride" industry there has a strong presence, as the place must filled with Yanks, Canucks, western Europeans, and other delicateses (wealthy guys from emerging economies,... ie.. Mexicans, Brazilians, South Africans.. etc, etc) chasing and spoiling local girls. I am not saying is impossible to find an honest and decent girl in Ukraine, there are still good women, (some posters here are married to sincere, honest good women from Ukraine), but it is definitive to be more difficult for the reasons mentioned above, specially for a rookie.
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Your age is relevant because if you were say 24 then I would be more sympathetic to your current confused plight. ‘Date’ some 20 year old models (or average looking waitresses) back home and you will be equally confused … it’s what kids do, they are good at it.
Play, fire, burnt etc.
LOL, my age :)
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I ask because I fail to see any other reason why you would want to date her.
As I wrote before, you need to do some reading. I’d ignore the age gape warnings as IMO 19 years is no big deal …. provided she is at least 25/26.
Your age is relevant because if you were say 24 then I would be more sympathetic to your current confused plight. ‘Date’ some 20 year old models (or average looking waitresses) back home and you will be equally confused … it’s what kids do, they are good at it.
Play, fire, burnt etc.
Ok..so your saying that if she isnt giving me any sex then she isnt worth dating?
and if i was say....a 66 year old man then you wouldnt care at all?
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Not sure why that matters...but i am 39
here is her and i.
An off topic question, do you guys (Anglo- Saxon and FSU gals) consider this girl to be "white" based on her photos?
My guess is the answer is "no" but I prefer to ask.
what does that have to do with ANYTHING?
Nothing, that's why I wrote it was an off topic question, just I needed an outsider point of view after watching some videos about hate crimes in Russia related to racism. And the girl has the perfect physical characteristics to confirm what I suspect.
not sure what you are referring to, Link? What do you suspect?
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Ok..so what im hearing is that she did this to make a few hundred bucks?
that doesnt even sound right. :'(
In my experience of dating models (it’s not vast but everyone gets lucky sometimes) then most of them are poorly paid with just a few at the top earning the big bucks. I would have thought that the competition in Ukraine is very intense with only the really striking ones making a decent living from it.
Ok..so your saying that if she isnt giving me any sex then she isnt worth dating?
and if i was say....a 66 year old man then you wouldnt care at all?
I can only give you my perspective. If I was dating a 20 year model then the relationship wouldn’t last long if we didn’t end up in bed together. The reason I say that is because I would be viewing the relationship nothing more than a bit of fun (just like she would be) and, rightly or wrongly, there’s only so much fun I can have wining, dining and sightseeing.
You’ve lost me on the 66 year old comment. Was her Granddad there too? :)
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I'd say if she made $300 off the time spent with you it pretty much gave her a extra months salary. If she was interested she would have made it known, cultural differences or not.
I'd say if you really wanted to know where you stand with her, you could get Ed to phone her and talk on your behalf. However since you don't have her mobile number... she does have a cell phone right ? If she wanted to stay in touch she would of given you that number.
You must of spent a small fortune on those 3 way calls, I remember I used Aweb once for a call like that and it cost me $120 for about 25 minutes. :o But Anna spoke good English, and afterwards I had her home number and email. It's a call I have never regretted making.
I don't know how you are with girls back in the USA,can you pick up on a girls body language? Was she asking about your life in a detailed way, beyond the basic questions ? In those photo's she isn't warming up to you at all. In the one photo she is seated ,while you are in behind her. There's nothing to even suggest she knows your there. I'm sorry if that doesn't make you feel very good inside,but that's the way I see it.
Did she ask for some photo's with you and her in them ? Or did she only want to have photo's of herself ? If she wanted photo's of the two of you , did you get them printed, or did she just take the CD home? All these questions will give you alot of insight into her feelings she had for you.
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Not sure why that matters...but i am 39
here is her and i.
An off topic question, do you guys (Anglo- Saxon and FSU gals) consider this girl to be "white" based on her photos?
My guess is the answer is "no" but I prefer to ask.
what does that have to do with ANYTHING?
Nothing, that's why I wrote it was an off topic question, just I needed an outsider point of view after watching some videos about hate crimes in Russia related to racism. And the girl has the perfect physical characteristics to confirm what I suspect.
not sure what you are referring to, Link? What do you suspect?
I saw videos about racism in Russia, in which the victims were white skinned but they had dark hair - eyes and non slavic facial gestures (an Italian and an American who were taken by people from the caucasus thus non white). So my guess was that for some skinheads what makes their victims white or not is the colour of their hair - eyes and facial gestures, not the colour of their skin.
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You’ve lost me on the 66 year old comment. Was her Granddad there too? :)
you said if i was younger you would care more...
doesnt matter though...
i just cant believe what has just happened.
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whats the point?
i cant speak russian.. :coffeeread:
Have you figured out why you should have asked for her telephone number yet?
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Of course I would be more sympathetic to a younger, post pubescent guy ... but you're 39! What did you really think was happening?
Look on the bright side. You’re not bad looking, you don’t look your age, you’re not overweight and you got on a plane so kudos to you. I can tell you for a fact that there are thousands upon thousands of equally good looking ladies in Ukraine who are a few years older (25/26/27), who speak English and want to find a good husband.
Pick yourself up, dust yourself down, do some reading and get some education behind you and I feel sure you will return … MKII. Good luck!
P.S. Next time don’t use Anastasia and get her number on the first date.
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well....i understand that....thanks alot..
but what i dont understand is this..
Her name is xxxxx
she was xxxxx
xxxxx
She is a well known model.
she makes better money being a model then she could have gotten doing this as a scam.
i am just so damn lost...all i know is that everything i have been planning on and dreaming about for the last year is now gone....
i dont think i will ever do this again.
Richie, do you actually KNOW that she is currently under a contract with a modeling agency and is making good money modelling, or is this what you've been told? Have you seen any magazine layouts/TV ads, anything current with her in it? There are many "model material" girls in Ukraine and Russia so they have a lot of competition and do other things to survive in between contracts/assignments. I think that "pro-dating" is her part time job and I think that she probably likes you as a person, since she decided to end it here instead of continuing to string you alone and ask to send money for English lessons, accepting gifts and flowers etc.
On a brighter side there are tens of thousands of great women that would be interested in a nice guy like you who wants a family.
So try to get passed this experience, learn from it, stay away from professional models and girls under 25 and you'll be alright!
Edit by Shakespear at request of op
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Not sure why that matters...but i am 39
here is her and i.
You're 39 and unemployed. Excuse me for being direct, but don't think you're a little out of her league? The woman is 20 years old and international fashion model beautiful. Are those the kind of ladies you normally date in the USA? If not what makes you think you would be able to attract one in Ukraine?
Think man, think!
Chalk it up to a lesson learned.
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whats the point?
i cant speak russian.. :coffeeread:
Have you figured out why you should have asked for her telephone number yet?
Not really no..
i have her translator's #...and we kept in touch through her..
the translator called her twice asking if she was planning on writing me and she said yes as soon as she had time from her studies and work.
she also went out of her way to hold my hand and she did ask me alot about myself and my life.
but...she wouldnt kiss me because she said any respectable Ukrainian woman would never do that on the first meeting.. :biggrin:
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well....i understand that....thanks alot..
but what i dont understand is this..
Her name is Aliona S.
she was Miss Kiev at the 2008 Global beauty contest.
http://www.infofashion.ro/Ukraine__Alena_Sarana_at_Miss_Globe_International_2008-pfl7837.html
she is a well known model.
she makes better money being a model then she could have gotten doing this as a scam.
i am just so damn lost...all i know is that everything i have been planning on and dreaming about for the last year is now gone....
i dont think i will ever do this again.
Richie, do you actually KNOW that she is currently under a contract with a modeling agency and is making good money modelling, or is this what you've been told? Have you seen any magazine layouts/TV ads, anything current with her in it? There are many "model material" girls in Ukraine and Russia so they have a lot of competition and do other things to survive in between contracts/assignments. I think that "pro-dating" is her part time job and I think that she probably likes you as a person, since she decided to end it here instead of continuing to string you alone and ask to send money for English lessons, accepting gifts and flowers etc.
On a brighter side there are tens of thousands of great women that would be interested in a nice guy like you who wants a family.
So try to get passed this experience, learn from it, stay away from professional models and girls under 25 and you'll be alright!
i have seen alot of her photo's
thanks alot for your advice.
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Not sure why that matters...but i am 39
here is her and i.
You're 38 and unemployed. Excuse me for being direct, but don't think you're a little out of her league? The woman is international fashion model beautiful. Are those the kind of ladies you normally date in the USA? If not what makes you think you would be able to attract one in Ukraine?
Think man, think!
Chalk it up to a lesson learned.
are you kidding me?
for one..Im 39......second..i own my own business.
third...yeah..i do date beautiful women here in the US but the ladies my age either have kids and dont want any more or they dont have kids and dont want any...thats why i started looking.
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......second..i own my own business.
Oooops ..... and there lies your problem, or at least one of them.
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hah...ok...
please explain that.
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"GARichey,"
If one of these FSU ladies is into you, you'll know it. It will be like she hit you on your head with a hammer obvious. If your not feeling the love, there's an issue, a hesitance, lack of attraction, she's just not into you; or a misunderstanding. If your usually oblivious to everything but a truckload full of explosives going off there is nothing we can do to help you. What did your gut tell you?
Also, it sounds like you would do well to read all of the trip reports and everything you can find in regards to this endeavor here.
Good luck.
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are you kidding me?
No, but I have to ask, are you kidding yourself?
for one..Im 39......second..i own my own business.
I'm sorry. I thought I read that you suspended correspondence with her for over 3 months because you were unemployed. Pardon me if I read something wrong.
third...yeah..i do date beautiful women here in the US but the ladies my age either have kids and don't want any more or they don't have kids and don't want any...that's why i started looking.
So you thought a 20 year old international fashion model was a good place to start? Don't feel like the Lone Ranger. Many have made the same mistake of thinking with the "little head" instead of the big one with a brain. I agree with the rest of the group. You can learn a lot here. After a couple weeks, "get back up on the horse that threw you" and start looking again. Focus on the 28-32 age group and don't ignore ladies with children. That's one way you can play a bit out of your league in the beauty side and get away with it.
Good luck and let us know if you have any questions along the way.
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i didnt know who she was at first.
and no...i wont be doing this ever again.
thanks for all the help everyone.
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Don't beat yourself up. You had the courage to get on a plane and give it a shot. Hopefully you learned a lot. Read some more here so you'll be better prepared next time.
Edit. It doesn't look like there will be a next time.
B.
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Don't beat yourself up. You had the courage to get on a plane and give it a shot. Hopefully you learned a lot. Read some more here so you'll be better prepared next time.
Edit. It doesn't look like there will be a next time.
B.
thanks again for the encouragement.
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hah...ok...
please explain that.
Well you could have written: I’m smart, witty, charming and enigmatic. I look good, carry myself well, am confident, have a gsoh, am a dashing charmer with the young chix who pander to my every request and hang to every wise word I speak.
Instead you told us you have your own business.
If it helps then having your own business counts for diddley squid in the true love stakes.
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Have you figured out why you should have asked for her telephone number yet?
Not really no..
i have her translator's #...and we kept in touch through her..
the translator called her twice asking if she was planning on writing me and she said yes as soon as she had time from her studies and work.
she also went out of her way to hold my hand and she did ask me alot about myself and my life.
but...she wouldnt kiss me because she said any respectable Ukrainian woman would never do that on the first meeting.. :biggrin:
... because you wouldn't be limited to using the translator who has been screwing you as an intermediary; any of the folks here who speak Russian could do it.
You didn't believe that rubbish about respectable Ukrainian women not kissing on the first meeting, did you?
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hah...ok...
please explain that.
Well you could have written: I’m smart, witty, charming and enigmatic. I look good, carry myself well, am confident, have a gsoh, am a dashing charmer with the young chix who pander to my every request and hang to every wise word I speak.
Instead you told us you have your own business.
If it helps then having your own business counts for diddley squid in the true love stakes.
Ummmm....
i was replying to a guy that said i was unemployed...
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You didn't believe that rubbish about respectable Ukrainian women not kissing on the first meeting, did you?
well....seeing how i know american women like that...yeah, i believed her.
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But its ok really.....
the bible says that vengeance is the lords..
if thats true....just call me jesus.. tiphat
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Ummmm....
i was replying to a guy that said i was unemployed...
Ok, no worries .. my post is still relevant anyway. ;D
Have you considered maybe using a different avatar now it seems pretty certain that this lady has made a fool out of you or are you clinging to the possibility we are all wrong?
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i bet you got your ass beat alot in school...
you really need to learn how to talk to people...
anyway....i plan on posting her picture all over the place...just so people will know who and what she is about.
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Ummmm....
i was replying to a guy that said i was unemployed...
Ok, no worries .. my post is still revenant anyway. ;D
Have you considered maybe using a different avatar now it seems pretty certain that this lady has made a fool out of you or are you clinging to the possibility we are all wrong?
You know you are right, Vin. But don't you think you are being a little rough on the guy. I imagine it was difficult for him to post his story in the first place.
In all of those 23 trips you didn't screw the pooch just once? ;D
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anyway....i plan on posting her picture all over the place...just so people will know who and what she is about.
Oh great. ANOTHER Marcel 30 for TomT to try to reform.
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No, don't post her picture all over the place. Unless she got thousands of dollars worth of gifts out of you, she is not a professional dater. More than likely she has an image of the type of guy that she is looking for and you weren't him. Girls have as much right as guys to reject someone whom they feel isn't right for them for whatever reason.
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i promise you...no one is going to stop me from this..
if people want to tuck their tails and let this happen to them without doing anything...thats great for them..
but not for me.
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i bet you got your ass beat alot in school...
you really need to learn how to talk to people...
anyway....i plan on posting her picture all over the place...just so people will know who and what she is about.
You learned a lesson. Let it go and channel your energies elsewhere. It will be better for your mental health.
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i bet you got your ass beat alot in school...
you really need to learn how to talk to people...
anyway....i plan on posting her picture all over the place...just so people will know who and what she is about.
Easy there 'Rocky, ' don't go running off half cocked like a head injured 'tardie just yet. Before you saddle up your steed and go off telling tales of bar wenches and deeds bygone. It might be worthwhile to check out how the last miscreant on a mission like the one you are proposing did......
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=8944.0
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No, don't post her picture all over the place. Unless she got thousands of dollars worth of gifts out of you, she is not a professional dater. More than likely she has an image of the type of guy that she is looking for and you weren't him. Girls have as much right as guys to reject someone whom they feel isn't right for them for whatever reason.
then they should tell them when they know its not right...
not send them home with hope
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No, don't post her picture all over the place. Unless she got thousands of dollars worth of gifts out of you, she is not a professional dater. More than likely she has an image of the type of guy that she is looking for and you weren't him. Girls have as much right as guys to reject someone whom they feel isn't right for them for whatever reason.
then they should tell them when they know its not right...
not send them home with hope
Did play that game with all of your American ex's?
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No, don't post her picture all over the place. Unless she got thousands of dollars worth of gifts out of you, she is not a professional dater. More than likely she has an image of the type of guy that she is looking for and you weren't him. Girls have as much right as guys to reject someone whom they feel isn't right for them for whatever reason.
then they should tell them when they know its not right...
not send them home with hope
Did play that game with all of your American ex's?
yes i do...because im not an asshole who leads people on.
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i bet you got your ass beat alot in school...
you really need to learn how to talk to people...
anyway....i plan on posting her picture all over the place...just so people will know who and what she is about.
Easy there 'Rocky, ' don't go running off half cocked like a head injured 'tardie just yet. Before you saddle up your steed and go off telling tales of bar wenches and deeds bygone. It might be worthwhile to check out how the last miscreant on a mission like the one you are proposing did......
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=8944.0
its "Richey" and i already read it..
ya know...maybe if someone posted something about her before i wouldnt be going through this...and maybe if i post something about her someone else wont go through what i am..
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Ummmm....
i was replying to a guy that said i was unemployed...
Ok, no worries .. my post is still revenant anyway. ;D
Have you considered maybe using a different avatar now it seems pretty certain that this lady has made a fool out of you or are you clinging to the possibility we are all wrong?
You know you are right, Vin. But don't you think you are being a little rough on the guy. I imagine it was difficult for him to post his story in the first place.
In all of those 23 trips you didn't screw the pooch just once? ;D
To be honest Boris I had a feeling where this was going and it seems my hunch was right. 39 yr old man 'dates' 20 yr model and when he goes home she doesn't contact anymore. We are only quessing as to her intentions, even our friend doesn't really know. But, he's had his feelings hurt so big man has to gain revenge.
Quite sick really but it seems to be the new trend.
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deleted, since too much happened while I was typing this one!
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then they should tell them when they know its not right...
not send them home with hope
Some girls, especially younger ones, are bloody incompetent when it comes to rejection.
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No, don't post her picture all over the place. Unless she got thousands of dollars worth of gifts out of you, she is not a professional dater. More than likely she has an image of the type of guy that she is looking for and you weren't him. Girls have as much right as guys to reject someone whom they feel isn't right for them for whatever reason.
then they should tell them when they know its not right...
not send them home with hope
Did play that game with all of your American ex's?
yes i do...because im not an asshole who leads people on.
Since you didn't get it the first time let me put it another way for you and rephrase it. Did you go on a smear campaign and post the pictures, a synopsis of your relationship, and personal details of your American ex's when they sent you packing for any number of reasons real or imagined all over the internet and print media?
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No, don't post her picture all over the place. Unless she got thousands of dollars worth of gifts out of you, she is not a professional dater. More than likely she has an image of the type of guy that she is looking for and you weren't him. Girls have as much right as guys to reject someone whom they feel isn't right for them for whatever reason.
then they should tell them when they know its not right...
not send them home with hope
Did play that game with all of your American ex's?
yes i do...because im not an asshole who leads people on.
Since you didn't get it the first time let me put it another way for you and rephrase it. Did you go on a smear campaign and post the pictures, a synopsis of your relationship, and personal details of your American ex's when they sent you packing for any number of reasons real or imagined all over the internet and print media?
i honestly cant believe you guys are sticking up for scammers...
i mean why even have a place to share your story if you are all going to question him more then the woman scammer.
and no i didnt do that....because none of them lied to me and had me fly half way around the world...
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i promise you...no one is going to stop me from this..
if people want to tuck their tails and let this happen to them without doing anything...that's great for them..
but not for me.
Yep, another Marcel 30.
We can't stop you from behaving badly. But I urge you to think carefully before you start pecking at your keyboard. Two wrongs don't make a right. Let it go. Take the high moral ground. Take a few days or weeks and put it behind you. Start your search over again and we on the list will be glad to help you all we can.
I know I had to start over at least 1/2 dozen times before I found the right one.
Ask yourself, how serious could your relationship have been with a girl you'd neither kissed or had sex with? It appears you built up a lot of expectations that were just not returned. Is that your fault or hers?
A smear campaign on the internet makes you look worse and more desperate that it will ever hurt her. Just think about it before you do something stupid.
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Ummmm....
i was replying to a guy that said i was unemployed...
Ok, no worries .. my post is still revenant anyway. ;D
Have you considered maybe using a different avatar now it seems pretty certain that this lady has made a fool out of you or are you clinging to the possibility we are all wrong?
You know you are right, Vin. But don't you think you are being a little rough on the guy. I imagine it was difficult for him to post his story in the first place.
In all of those 23 trips you didn't screw the pooch just once? ;D
To be honest Boris I had a feeling where this was going and it seems my hunch was right. 39 yr old man 'dates' 20 yr model and when he goes home she doesn't contact anymore. We are only quessing as to her intentions, even our friend doesn't really know. But, he's had his feelings hurt so big man has to gain revenge.
Quite sick really but it seems to be the new trend.
hahaha...over 20 trips over there and your STILL looking..
Ok...i can see your the one to listen too....
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Vinn, you really don't need to beat up on the guy when he is down and obviously hurt. He was advised on the reality of the situation by several people. It is hard for him to accept this instantaneously because he obviously developed strong feelings for her. Give him a break, Vinn, will you?
If you read my posts then you will see I have paid this guy more compliments and given him more encouragement than anyone else. As for the rest then I am being honest with him .... more honest than he has been with himself. If that hurts then that's tough but life is pretty tough at the best of times for most.
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i honestly cant believe you guys are sticking up for scammers...
i mean why even have a place to share your story if you are all going to question him more then the woman scammer.
How much money and gifts did she get out of you?
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i honestly cant believe you guys are sticking up for scammers...
i mean why even have a place to share your story if you are all going to question him more then the woman scammer.
How much money and gifts did she get out of you?
No money and a small gift when i arrived.
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i honestly cant believe you guys are sticking up for scammers...
i mean why even have a place to share your story if you are all going to question him more then the woman scammer.
Because we've all "been around the block" enough to know that sometimes men who have been jilted by women from the FSU when relationships didn't work out often cry "scammer" as a form of revenge and retribution. Happens a lot when the men insist on pursuing relationships with women that are physically way "out of their league".
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i honestly cant believe you guys are sticking up for scammers...
i mean why even have a place to share your story if you are all going to question him more then the woman scammer.
and no i didnt do that....because none of them lied to me and had me fly half way around the world...
Let's be clear. If the lady was a clear cut scammer, we'd be all over her about that, and about getting the word out. It sounds more like she wasn't into you than she wanted your money. Also, as an FYI, the flight and costs involved are arbitrary and part and parcel of doing this. So don't expect anything for going that far from the lady. that's the price of admission, nothing more.
So the point is, you're hurt and your talking crazy. Get over the hurt, take some time and see what happens. You're about to make a mistake. Think it through when your head is clear. Be smart.
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i honestly cant believe you guys are sticking up for scammers...
i mean why even have a place to share your story if you are all going to question him more then the woman scammer.
Because we've all "been around the block" enough to know that sometimes men who have been jilted by women from the FSU when relationships didn't work out often cry "scammer" as a form of revenge and retribution. Happens a lot when the men insist on pursuing relationships with women that are physically way "out of their league".
Umm..i was told by the all knowing vinny that she scammed me !
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You're 39 and unemployed. Excuse me for being direct, but don't think you're a little out of her league? The woman is 20 years old and international fashion model beautiful. Are those the kind of ladies you normally date in the USA? If not what makes you think you would be able to attract one in Ukraine?
Think man, think!
Chalk it up to a lesson learned.
Oh, I dunno. It's entirely possible she's sitting in Ukraine, wondering why she didn't get boned, and why he only held her hand and didn't ask for her phone #. :chuckle:
Some guys need to be led to the, ahem....well, you have to lead them to water, metaphorically speaking.
Anyway, I have to go along with the "long con" scenario.
On a side note, has anyone ever had a good experience with Anastasia?
B/B
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No money and a small gift when i arrived.
She's not a scammer.
If there ever is a next time, bring a medium-sized gift; your results may be better.
p.s.
Airline tickets don't count.
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hahaha...over 20 trips over there and your STILL looking..
Ok...i can see your the one to listen too....
Yep. 23 times, 98 dates and 98 numbers in my phone (not including some moms and sisters too). ;D
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i honestly cant believe you guys are sticking up for scammers...
i mean why even have a place to share your story if you are all going to question him more then the woman scammer.
and no i didnt do that....because none of them lied to me and had me fly half way around the world...
Let's be clear. If the lady was a clear cut scammer, we'd be all over her about that, and about getting the word out. It sounds more like she wasn't into you than she wanted your money. Also, as an FYI, the flight and costs involved are arbitrary and part and parcel of doing this. So don't expect anything for going that far from the lady. that's the price of admission, nothing more.
So the point is, you're hurt and your talking crazy. Get over the hurt, take some time and see what happens. You're about to make a mistake. Think it through when your head is clear. Be smart.
thanks for your words...but i have been thinking about this for weeks.
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hahaha...over 20 trips over there and your STILL looking..
Ok...i can see your the one to listen too....
Yep. 23 times, 98 dates and 98 numbers in my phone (not including some moms and sisters too). ;D
yeah...im sure those 98 numbers are just blowing up your phone.
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You may have been thinking about it, but your head isn't clear. Again...Do what you need to get over her and let a year pass, then revisit the issue. In case you were wondering the amount of time may vary and the year was used to make a point.
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Yep, you’ve been scammed.
But...But.....Vinny said i was scammed...
God has spoken.
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No money and a small gift when i arrived.
Sounds like you got off light.
B/B
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No money and a small gift when i arrived.
Sounds like you got off light.
B/B
not when the whole trip cost me around $4,000.00
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hahaha...over 20 trips over there and your STILL looking..
Ok...i can see your the one to listen too....
Yep. 23 times, 98 dates and 98 numbers in my phone (not including some moms and sisters too). ;D
yeah...im sure those 98 numbers are just blowing up your phone.
..... it's funny you should mention that. I can never seem to get through to them .... you don't think do you ....
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thanks for your words...but i have been thinking about this for weeks.
Well, long story short, it seems there are 2 options:
1. she (at a minimum) just wasn't that into you, or
2 It's the long con. The 'terp fees were high, and how (and through who) did you arrange accommodations?
B/B
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Anyway, I have to go along with the "long con" scenario.
Hey BB...whats the long con ?
thanks.
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not when the whole trip cost me around $4,000.00
In spite of the crappy economy, holding hands with a model is still expensive.
Did Anastasia arrange your hotel rental?
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not when the whole trip cost me around $4,000.00
Hmm. First, as ECR noted, that's the price of admission. Second, that sounds high for a trip to ODS. Can you give us a breakout of airfare/accommodations/interp/other fees?
I am leaning much harder towards "long con"
B/B
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i honestly cant believe you guys are sticking up for scammers...
i mean why even have a place to share your story if you are all going to question him more then the woman scammer.
How much money and gifts did she get out of you?
No money and a small gift when i arrived.
Let's be honest here. You took a shot at the unattainable. She agreed to meet you. My sense is it was a way for her to make some extra cash. If she liked you and it lead somewhere that would have been a bonus for her. Don't you think that beautiful 20 year olds like her have men all over her in her country?
I guarantee you in her mind she thinks she has not done anything wrong. She could have taken you for more, yes?
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hahaha...over 20 trips over there and your STILL looking..
Ok...i can see your the one to listen too....
Yep. 23 times, 98 dates and 98 numbers in my phone (not including some moms and sisters too). ;D
yeah...im sure those 98 numbers are just blowing up your phone.
..... it's funny you should mention that. I can never seem to get through to them .... you don't think do you ....
No...i do think..i think alot..
and i think you are a bitter man...
98 dates and you are still looking...i think that says alot actually.
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On a side note, has anyone ever had a good experience with Anastasia?
B/B
I had an absolute GAS at their socials back in April 1997. Dating spree of a lifetime! However, payback is a mother. I couldn't leave well enough along and was foolish enough to actually marry one of the ladies I met there. Worst mistake of my life.
But she certainly was beautiful. On-air television personality 15 years younger than I was. Date them all the time here in the USA don'cha know. Classic "little head" mistake that turned into a complete disaster including my arrest on false DV charges.
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not when the whole trip cost me around $4,000.00
In spite of the crappy economy, holding hands with a model is still expensive.
Did Anastasia arrange your hotel rental?
yes they did
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On a side note, has anyone ever had a good experience with Anastasia?
B/B
I've had an excellent experience with anastasia! Several of my clients were anastasia's clients first! :laugh:
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On a side note, has anyone ever had a good experience with Anastasia?
B/B
I had an absolute GAS at their socials back in April 1997. Dating spree of a lifetime! However, payback is a mother. I couldn't leave well enough along and was foolish enough to actually marry one of the ladies I met there. Worst mistake of my life.
But she certainly was beautiful. On-air television personality 15 years younger than I was. Date them all the time here in the USA don'cha know. Classic "little head" mistake that turned into a complete disaster including my arrest on false DV charges.
sorry to hear that....
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can anyone explain the "long con' please?
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Hey BB...whats the long con ?
thanks.
Pretty much what it sounds like. Keep the correspondence going....btw, what took a year to get on a plane?....get you over there and extract fees (accommodations/interpreter/etc). The plane fare doesn't matter to them. This takes longer to set up than a western union/visa scam, but the mark doesn't realized that he's been conned at all (or at least until he's back in the US, wondering when Alena Smokinhotkova is going to email him again).
Sorry for your experience.
B/B
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not when the whole trip cost me around $4,000.00
In spite of the crappy economy, holding hands with a model is still expensive.
It's kind of like two kids standing next to a fire. One kid watches the other stick his hand in and get burned. The kid watching might get close, but usually has it figured after one-no attempts it's not a good idea to go sticking your hand in the fire and for damn sure he doesn't want to have cry like that other guy.
Apparently, for the remainder of the 'kid population' they need 3rd degree burns a couple of times to get the message across that they probably shouldn't go sticking their hands in fires..
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B/B
I had an absolute GAS at their socials back in April 1997. Dating spree of a lifetime! However, payback is a mother. I couldn't leave well enough along and was foolish enough to actually marry one of the ladies I met there. Worst mistake of my life.
But she certainly was beautiful. On-air television personality 15 years younger than I was. Date them all the time here in the USA don'cha know. Classic "little head" mistake that turned into a complete disaster including my arrest on false DV charges.
You got off easy. My ex cut off my little head, poisoned my dog and paid my cell mate to be extra rough with me.
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not when the whole trip cost me around $4,000.00
In spite of the crappy economy, holding hands with a model is still expensive.
Did Anastasia arrange your hotel rental?
yes they did
Ugh. I think I am getting why this trip was so $$$$. How long were you there for?
B/B
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hahaha...over 20 trips over there and your STILL looking..
Ok...i can see your the one to listen too....
Yep. 23 times, 98 dates and 98 numbers in my phone (not including some moms and sisters too). ;D
yeah...im sure those 98 numbers are just blowing up your phone.
..... it's funny you should mention that. I can never seem to get through to them .... you don't think do you ....
No...i do think..i think alot..
and i think you are a bitter man...
98 dates and you are still looking...i think that says alot actually.
The only thing it is saying is Lesson One, don't believe all that you read. :)
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Hey BB...whats the long con ?
thanks.
Pretty much what it sounds like. Keep the correspondence going....btw, what took a year to get on a plane?....get you over there and extract fees (accommodations/interpreter/etc). The plane fare doesn't matter to them. This takes longer to set up than a western union/visa scam, but the mark doesn't realized that he's been conned at all (or at least until he's back in the US, wondering when Alena Smokinhotkova is going to email him again).
Sorry for your experience.
B/B
as funny as this is going to sound....i read up alot on this and i wanted to make sure i was doing the right thing....
let me paste the last message i got from here on the date site-
" Thank you very much for your letter. Yes, this person on the face book is very rude. First of all I want to tell you that our correspondence became as a part of me; your lovely, wise, friendly, and funny manner to talk with me just cared for me during of our correspondence. It seems that I know you so well; you are the best and REAL friend for me. Exactly these qualities are attracted me in your first letters. I have been searched for the right soul for me and it seems that I have found in you so many great features. You may understand now how important for me do not lose you."
thats my last letter from her...
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sorry to hear that....
Thanks. After about three months of moping around, I "got back into the game" and made several trips back to Russia to start again. Centered in the city of Volgograd. Learned from my experience and past mistakes and dismissed quite a few ladies at various stages of courtship because things just didn't feel right. Had to start over again each time. Then I found the right one. We've been married over 7 years now.
You can do the same thing if you get your mind right and don't do anything stupid with your keyboard.
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not when the whole trip cost me around $4,000.00
In spite of the crappy economy, holding hands with a model is still expensive.
Did Anastasia arrange your hotel rental?
yes they did
Ugh. I think I am getting why this trip was so $$$$. How long were you there for?
B/B
8 days
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GREAT EXPECTATIONS DO NOT = FRUITION OF YOUR FANTASY
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Hey BB...whats the long con ?
thanks.
Pretty much what it sounds like. Keep the correspondence going....btw, what took a year to get on a plane?....get you over there and extract fees (accommodations/interpreter/etc). The plane fare doesn't matter to them. This takes longer to set up than a western union/visa scam, but the mark doesn't realized that he's been conned at all (or at least until he's back in the US, wondering when Alena Smokinhotkova is going to email him again).
Sorry for your experience.
B/B
as funny as this is going to sound....i read up alot on this and i wanted to make sure i was doing the right thing....
let me paste the last message i got from here on the date site-
" Thank you very much for your letter. Yes, this person on the face book is very rude. First of all I want to tell you that our correspondence became as a part of me; your lovely, wise, friendly, and funny manner to talk with me just cared for me during of our correspondence. It seems that I know you so well; you are the best and REAL friend for me. Exactly these qualities are attracted me in your first letters. I have been searched for the right soul for me and it seems that I have found in you so many great features. You may understand now how important for me do not lose you."
thats my last letter from her...
The sad part is GAR, she probably didn't even write that herself...
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sorry to hear that....
Thanks. After about three months of moping around, I "got back into the game" and made several trips back to Russia to start again. Centered in the city of Volgograd. Learned from my experience and past mistakes and dismissed quite a few ladies at various stages of courtship because things just didn't feel right. Had to start over again each time. Then I found the right one. We've been married over 7 years now.
You can do the same thing if you get your mind right and don't do anything stupid with your keyboard.
Im glad everything worked out for you then...
but i see alot of sites about these girls and they have pictures of the women all over the place to show men to stay away from them....i though thats how this worked..
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not when the whole trip cost me around $4,000.00
In spite of the crappy economy, holding hands with a model is still expensive.
I think for $4k then I would have wanted to hold the Terps had too.
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Anastasia scammed you; the girl probably got little or nothing out of it. Any independent scammer worth her salt would have gotten a $500 cell phone or pair of shoes. Yep, she probably had no idea what the translator had written.
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i honestly cant believe you guys are sticking up for scammers...
i mean why even have a place to share your story if you are all going to question him more then the woman scammer.
How much money and gifts did she get out of you?
No money and a small gift when i arrived.
Let's be honest here. You took a shot at the unattainable. She agreed to meet you. My sense is it was a way for her to make some extra cash. If she liked you and it lead somewhere that would have been a bonus for her. Don't you think that beautiful 20 year olds like her have men all over her in her country?
I guarantee you in her mind she thinks she has not done anything wrong. She could have taken you for more, yes?
right on target, Boris!!! A 20 y.o. model who can have any guy locally signing up with Anastasia to meet a guy from the US for marriage??? Nice fantasy!
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Hey BB...whats the long con ?
thanks.
Pretty much what it sounds like. Keep the correspondence going....btw, what took a year to get on a plane?....get you over there and extract fees (accommodations/interpreter/etc). The plane fare doesn't matter to them. This takes longer to set up than a western union/visa scam, but the mark doesn't realized that he's been conned at all (or at least until he's back in the US, wondering when Alena Smokinhotkova is going to email him again).
Sorry for your experience.
B/B
as funny as this is going to sound....i read up alot on this and i wanted to make sure i was doing the right thing....
let me paste the last message i got from here on the date site-
" Thank you very much for your letter. Yes, this person on the face book is very rude. First of all I want to tell you that our correspondence became as a part of me; your lovely, wise, friendly, and funny manner to talk with me just cared for me during of our correspondence. It seems that I know you so well; you are the best and REAL friend for me. Exactly these qualities are attracted me in your first letters. I have been searched for the right soul for me and it seems that I have found in you so many great features. You may understand now how important for me do not lose you."
thats my last letter from her...
The sad part is GAR, she probably didn't even write that herself...
i have been wondering that myself.
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not when the whole trip cost me around $4,000.00
In spite of the crappy economy, holding hands with a model is still expensive.
I think for $4k then I would have wanted to hold the Terps had too.
i did hold her hand..many times...and she was the one that instigated the hand holding..
*edit...sorry...i didnt hold the terps hand.
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not when the whole trip cost me around $4,000.00
In spite of the crappy economy, holding hands with a model is still expensive.
Did Anastasia arrange your hotel rental?
yes they did
Ugh. I think I am getting why this trip was so $$$$. How long were you there for?
B/B
8 days
Egad. Even assuming airfare at a generous $1K, you were hemorrhaging cash.
B/B
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Anastasia scammed you; the girl probably got little or nothing out of it. Any independent scammer worth her salt would have gotten a $500 cell phone or pair of shoes. Yep, she probably had no idea what the translator had written.
Ok...then why would she do it of she got near nothing for it?
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Hopefully by now he's found and read the threads about Anastasia and A Foreign Affair, and read them all to see how the most common agency scams work.
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I think for $4k then I would have wanted to hold the Terps had too.
I think I'd at least have wanted the "Western Grip" from both her and the 'terp.
:chuckle:
B/B
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Anastasia scammed you; the girl probably got little or nothing out of it. Any independent scammer worth her salt would have gotten a $500 cell phone or pair of shoes. Yep, she probably had no idea what the translator had written.
Ok...then why would she do it of she got near nothing for it?
Taking Tom's theory further, she likely got some "appearance money".
B/B
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not when the whole trip cost me around $4,000.00
In spite of the crappy economy, holding hands with a model is still expensive.
Did Anastasia arrange your hotel rental?
yes they did
Ugh. I think I am getting why this trip was so $$$$. How long were you there for?
B/B
8 days
Egad. Even assuming airfare at a generous $1K, you were hemorrhaging cash.
B/B
I flew from STL to ODS in September. It cost me $1100--albeit on short notice. Posted for reference.
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I'm glad everything worked out for you then...
but i see alot of sites about these girls and they have pictures of the women all over the place to show men to stay away from them....i though that's how this worked..
A high percentage of those guys are frustrated jilted boyfriends who were dating a lady and the relationship didn't work out and they want to punish the girl by trying to spoil any chance she has at finding an international relationship.
You don't want to be one of THOSE guys do you?
Tom T is right. Anastasia scammed you; not the girl. Join the crowd and write all the letters you want exposing them for their rip off.
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not when the whole trip cost me around $4,000.00
In spite of the crappy economy, holding hands with a model is still expensive.
Did Anastasia arrange your hotel rental?
yes they did
Ugh. I think I am getting why this trip was so $$$$. How long were you there for?
B/B
8 days
Egad. Even assuming airfare at a generous $1K, you were hemorrhaging cash.
B/B
I flew from STL to ODS in September. It cost me $1100--albeit on short notice. Posted for reference.
it cost me 986.00 to be exact
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Ok...then why would she do it of she got near nothing for it?
It's a win-win situation for her: if she doesn't get a great catch, at least she'll get some pocket money. The important point is that she didn't take you on a thousand dollar shopping trip.
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Tom T is right. Anastasia scammed you; not the girl. Join the crowd and write all the letters you want exposing them for their rip off.
If one of them scammed me..then both did.
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Anastasia scammed you; the girl probably got little or nothing out of it. Any independent scammer worth her salt would have gotten a $500 cell phone or pair of shoes. Yep, she probably had no idea what the translator had written.
Ok...then why would she do it of she got near nothing for it?
She got to spend some time with a nice foreign man, nothing more and nothing less but she is 20, she is still a child and she won’t be analysing things like you will be. That doesn’t make either of you bad people it just demonstrates the difference between a 20 year old and a 39 year old, that’s all.
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If one of them scammed me..then both did.
Who is more culpable, the guy on the street who is watching for the cops or the robber who blows the bank clerk's brains out?
p.s.
Have you figured out why it was a bad idea to use Anastasia for introduction, translations, three-way calls and accommodations yet?
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If one of them scammed me..then both did.
Who is more culpable, the guy on the street who is watching for the cops or the robber who blows the bank clerk's brains out?
they are equal.
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If one of them scammed me..then both did.
How exactly do you think she personally scammed you?
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not when the whole trip cost me around $4,000.00
In spite of the crappy economy, holding hands with a model is still expensive.
Did Anastasia arrange your hotel rental?
yes they did
Ugh. I think I am getting why this trip was so $$$$. How long were you there for?
B/B
8 days
Egad. Even assuming airfare at a generous $1K, you were hemorrhaging cash.
B/B
I flew from STL to ODS in September. It cost me $1100--albeit on short notice. Posted for reference.
it cost me 986.00 to be exact
So just north of $3K for 8 days....even assuming that's 8 days actually on the ground in ODS, you still got crushed on fees. Did you stay in a flat or in a hotel (I am guessing "flat", here).
Edit: I just checked my apt. contact in ODS. A 1 BR apt right on Deribasovskaya can be had for <$75/night. I have stayed in that particular apt, and it's perfectly nice. Even assuming an 8 day rental at $75, that's $600. So airfare and flat should come in around $1600 (plus whatever you got gouged on the apt. rental, of course), so you're still $2400 out of pocket, or about $300/day. Ouch.
B/B
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they are equal.
Christ sakes!
Anastasia designed the scam machine that chewed you up, not the girl.
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If one of them scammed me..then both did.
How exactly do you think she personally scammed you?
you tell me..you were the first person on here to say that she scammed me.
Myself..i have heard so many stories..
including the one about the date site paying the girls for every email they send out, ect.
that they split money with the interpreter..
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not when the whole trip cost me around $4,000.00
In spite of the crappy economy, holding hands with a model is still expensive.
Did Anastasia arrange your hotel rental?
yes they did
Ugh. I think I am getting why this trip was so $$$$. How long were you there for?
B/B
8 days
Egad. Even assuming airfare at a generous $1K, you were hemorrhaging cash.
B/B
I flew from STL to ODS in September. It cost me $1100--albeit on short notice. Posted for reference.
it cost me 986.00 to be exact
So just north of $3K for 8 days....even assuming that's 8 days actually on the ground in ODS, you still got crushed on fees. Did you stay in a flat or in a hotel (I am guessing "flat", here).
Edit: I just checked my apt. contact in ODS. A 1 BR apt right on Deribasovskaya can be had for <$75/night. I have stayed in that particular apt, and it's perfectly nice. Even assuming an 8 day rental at $75, that's $600. So airfare and flat should come in around $1600 (plus whatever you got gouged on the apt. rental, of course), so you're still $2400 out of pocket, or about $300/day. Ouch.
B/B
In a flat..
but i paid for everything...including the terp's meals.
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they are equal.
Christ sakes!
Anastasia designed the scam machine that chewed you up, not the girl.
easy man....wow.
they might have made it...but she still went with it...
in a bank robbery...does the one that made up the plan get arrested of does the whole group?
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Myself..i have heard so many stories..
including the one about the date site paying the girls for every email they send out, ect.
that they split money with the interpreter..
They don't have to pay the girls squat; usually the letters are being written without the girl's knowledge.
p.s.
A more relevant question might be who gets the longest prison term (or death).
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But Look..this is doing nothing but going round and around..and we are all doing nothing but speculating..
I would like to thank everyone for their input and experiences in trying to help me with this..
at this point...i have no idea what i'm going to do..
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Myself..i have heard so many stories..
including the one about the date site paying the girls for every email they send out, ect.
that they split money with the interpreter..
They don't have to pay the girls squat; usually the letters are being written without the girl's knowledge.
p.s.
A more relevant question might be who gets the longest prison term (or death).
i see the point you are trying to make..but you arent making it..
if the woman knows she is scamming someone with the help of someone..she is still a scammer..period.
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Hey BB...whats the long con ?
thanks.
Pretty much what it sounds like. Keep the correspondence going....btw, what took a year to get on a plane?....get you over there and extract fees (accommodations/interpreter/etc). The plane fare doesn't matter to them. This takes longer to set up than a western union/visa scam, but the mark doesn't realized that he's been conned at all (or at least until he's back in the US, wondering when Alena Smokinhotkova is going to email him again).
Sorry for your experience.
B/B
as funny as this is going to sound....i read up alot on this and i wanted to make sure i was doing the right thing....
let me paste the last message i got from here on the date site-
" Thank you very much for your letter. Yes, this person on the face book is very rude. First of all I want to tell you that our correspondence became as a part of me; your lovely, wise, friendly, and funny manner to talk with me just cared for me during of our correspondence. It seems that I know you so well; you are the best and REAL friend for me. Exactly these qualities are attracted me in your first letters. I have been searched for the right soul for me and it seems that I have found in you so many great features. You may understand now how important for me do not lose you."
thats my last letter from her...
ouch, that sounds scammish...
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If you decide to do this again, do it right.
1) Buy contact information only.
2) Handle your own communication.
3) Arrange your own accommodations.
4) Don't bring a third wheel on your dates.
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again..thanks for all the help everyone..
Good night.
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Geez .. fast moving topic tonight !
i honestly cant believe you guys are sticking up for scammers...
i mean why even have a place to share your story if you are all going to question him more then the woman scammer.
and no i didnt do that....because none of them lied to me and had me fly half way around the world...
Dude, listen to yourself... your bitter over what has happened. From doing a search on her ,I can see she is a popular person.
Now if you go ahead with your smear campain, I am quite sure someone who reads your side of the story will get in contact with her. While it may seem like you finally regained her attention, having posted your photo will give plenty of ammo to the lovely ladies over at Antidate.
What is Antidate ? Well others here can fill you in.
What the others here have posted should be taking as a helpful bit of supportive advice. It's just too bad you never bothered to search out this forum before you went on the biggest scam site, and used their services exclusively. You may had a plan B in case the 20yo model rejected you before your time to depart back home.
You would of known how to avoid some of the common pitfalls a first time visitor to the FSU. BTW she didn't scam you,I have heard of stories where guys have emptied their bank accounts buying the girl items that she could easily return after your gone. Pocketing the cash of course.
The very fact she declinded your offer to buy her gifts, shows that she is not a pro dater.
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yeah, i have thought that aswell..about not letting me buy her anything..
the only thing that stopped me and is stopping me from doing the smear campaign is that i actually care about her...and i really did enjoy our time together..
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I'll tell you a little story ..... :popcorn:
In 2003 I found a girl on Aweb, wrote her, made the call ( $120) and then got on a plane to go see her in her home town of Odessa. Things went so-so and I returned home having no plan B. On the flight home over the Alantic I had hours to reflect on what I could of done differently.
Yeah I was down a bit over how it all unfolded, but I even sent her some money during our correspondence. I made mistakes that trip, but I returned and took some time off from searching. I too figured I was never going to return to try finding a girlfriend again.
Months passed,and I regained my will to give it another shot. She never emptied my wallet, and she would of met with me daily had some family matters come up.
Maybe Alina knew you were there to only visit her,and she may very likely continued seeing you because she didn't want you to think badly of her. She didn't ask to go on a shopping extravaganza and only to meet and spend time with you.
You really need to step back and take some time before try and defame her.
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Not sure why that matters...but i am 39
here is her and i.
xxxxx
xxxxx
xxxxx
In the photos, she doesn't look like that she is in love!!! :chuckle:
If a girl is in hot love with her man, she will look very sultry!!! :knit:
edited by Shakespear at request of op
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GARichey,
I experienced my first heart-breaking when I were 1x years old. :biggrin:
She is not too bad. She takes dating as a job. She has not hurt you. Forgive her and look for a true one.
tiphat
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Agencies do hire professional models so that they can have plenty of "model quality" women on their sites.
My guess is that this was one of her professional modeling assignments. Then they could use her pictures forever for their "pay per message" scam, to scam many men for years. I sincerally doubt that she wrote any of the letters you received, the agency has other people who's responsibilities are letter writing. Thanks for providing a sample of "her last letter" that style of writing sounds very familiar to me...
As far as I know most WM never get themselves up to actually going over to Ukraine to meet their girl. Living in a fantasy land, thinking that some 20 or 22 year old beauty is in love with him (even if he is 60 y.o. 350 lbs dude) is enough of a reward for them for all the money they dump on this. But in an event when a guy actually decides to make a trip, I suppose they get in touch with a girl and ask her if she wants to make some extra cash going on a few dates with a WM. She has no idea who you are, what you wrote in your letters (until the agency fills her in) and your feelings for her. To her you are some abstract guy coming over and she can make some money to keep you company. In this scenario it's actually quite honorable of her to refuse having you buy her things.
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In this scenario it's actually quite honorable of her to refuse having you buy her things.
Eduard is very right!!! It is my Point and Advice! tiphat :nod:
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.i read up alot on this and i wanted to make sure i was doing the right thing....
I don't think you read up a lot here. :prophead:
Richey, you have had some superb input on this topic. Reflect on it some, re-read the topic and give it some thought. Don't waste your time pasting her pictures everywhere either. You were not scammed by this girl, whatever you may think. You admitted that you spent no significant money on her. You were just one of thousands stiffed by Anastasiaweb.
You made many of the classic mistakes men make. You are not the first, nor will you be the last. It happens. At least you got on a plane. Many here have dithered for years and never done even that. You gained some experience of how not to do this. It only cost you $4k. You got off light.
I am just wondering, as you speak no Russian, and her no English, what was the master plan that would allow this relationship to develop in the future? When the interpreter had gone home? When she was in your country? In the year you were corresponding with her Anastasia's translators, did it occur to you to start learning Russian?
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.i read up alot on this and i wanted to make sure i was doing the right thing....
I don't think you read up a lot here. :prophead:
Richey, you have had some superb input on this topic. Reflect on it some, re-read the topic and give it some thought. Don't waste your time pasting her pictures everywhere either. You were not scammed by this girl, whatever you may think. You admitted that you spent no significant money on her. You were just one of thousands stiffed by Anastasiaweb.
You made many of the classic mistakes men make. You are not the first, nor will you be the last. It happens. At least you got on a plane. Many here have dithered for years and never done even that. You gained some experience of how not to do this. It only cost you $4k. You got off light.
I am just wondering, as you speak no Russian, and her no English, what was the master plan that would allow this relationship to develop in the future? When the interpreter had gone home? When she was in your country? In the year you were corresponding with her Anastasia's translators, did it occur to you to start learning Russian?
Yeah light is the word, £20k and 2 years wasted in my train wreck :D
But still managed to climb back on the horse and Ride off into the sunset 8) :party0011:
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.i read up alot on this and i wanted to make sure i was doing the right thing....
I don't think you read up a lot here. :prophead:
Richey, you have had some superb input on this topic. Reflect on it some, re-read the topic and give it some thought. Don't waste your time pasting her pictures everywhere either. You were not scammed by this girl, whatever you may think. You admitted that you spent no significant money on her. You were just one of thousands stiffed by Anastasiaweb.
You made many of the classic mistakes men make. You are not the first, nor will you be the last. It happens. At least you got on a plane. Many here have dithered for years and never done even that. You gained some experience of how not to do this. It only cost you $4k. You got off light.
I am just wondering, as you speak no Russian, and her no English, what was the master plan that would allow this relationship to develop in the future? When the interpreter had gone home? When she was in your country? In the year you were corresponding with her Anastasia's translators, did it occur to you to start learning Russian?
Yeah light is the word, £20k and 2 years wasted in my train wreck :D
But still managed to climb back on the horse and Ride off into the sunset 8) :party0011:
and you said that you were lucky... ::)
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Ed, it ain't the money you spend so much as the value you get.
If Chris had not done what he did then he could not be where he is and, as we know, he likes where he is!
Our hero has yet to learn that lesson and sees his journey as complete and thus everything, for him, has been a waste. It'd have been a waste if had spent on $50.
I have to say that she was about as much into him as I am into spinach and wheatgrass smoothies (ie not a lot) but she did not, apart from the day to day expenses, indulge herself. She did OK by him in her terms and, yes, she ain't the hottest of the hot but she would have expectations. (READ Breakfast at Tiffany's - don't watch the movie, it kinda missed the point)
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[you tell me..you were the first person on here to say that she scammed me.
I didn't say she scammed you, I said you had been scammed.
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Who is more culpable, the guy on the street who is watching for the cops or the robber who blows the bank clerk's brains out?
After sleeping on this last night, I've had a bit of a change of opinion on this matter. Clearly Anastasia set up the scam and extracted the lion's share of the profit from our protagonist. However the image of the girl is what they used to "bait the trap". She has to be complicit at some level in the scam.
The guy spent $4000 on an 8 day trip. Minus $1000 for airfare leaves $3000 for 8 days or $375 per day. Assuming that normal expenses for lodging, meals and interpreter would have been no more than $200 per day, we can guesstimate that Anastasia netted about $1400 from our boy. My "educated guess" is the girl pocketed somewhere between $350-$500 of that money in "revenue sharing". I think it highly unlikely that she is completely innocent in this whole story and would no doubt, be "immediately available" if our hero were to announce his intention to return to her home city within the next 30 days.
If she has 3-4 men like this each month coming to visit her from Anastasia web, she's making between $1050 - $2000 per month tax free on"appearance fees" from Anastasia. Not a bad home-based business for an aspiring actress, model and "also ran" in a 2008 third-tier international beauty contest.
There is definitely a scam going on here. Unfortunately in order to expose the scam, you've got to expose the bait. The agency is using her picture to draw in customers, so you need to alert other men that might be in contact with her of what has happened to you. The only way to do that is to post her name and picture when exposing the scam. Her degree of culpability might not be as great as Anastasia Agency, but that's the price she has to pay for enriching herself by being associated with a thief like Elena Besuden.
Exposing her photo on the various scam sites would serve the purpose of reducing her future marketing value to Anastasia and that's what you really want to do isn't it? Isn't the Agency who you want to punish instead of the girl?
My only caution would be to be careful in how you tell the story. Words of disappointment and broken dreams make you appear to be a jilted lover out for revenge. Exposing the way Anastasia "milked you" for profit is certainly fair game. Carefully word your story to maximize the negative exposure toward Anastasia and minimize the pain you feel at losing the girl.
There is no doubt you can find what you're looking for in the FSU. Like others, you got "burned" on your first attempt and your ass is a little chaffed because of it. Natural to be a bit gunshy at this point. However, if you look at the experience as a "lesson learned" and don't repeat those mistakes again, you'll be ready to get back on the plane and try again; this time with a much more suitable prospect.
Good luck whatever you decide to do.
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well..for what its worth i got off the phone with my translator and she told me i shouldnt worry and that she is busy and i should hear from her... :'(
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Whilst I agree with almost everything you written Shakey, I do have two reservations regarding your comments.
1) We have no idea if this lady was in cahoots with Anastasia or made any money from her dates with Richey. We are guessing she might of and it’s very probable she did but we don’t know.
2) Do these anti scam sites really protect anyone? Richey communicated with this lady for up to a year and no doubt spent many $’s in the process. We have to assume that at no time did he google “Anastasia Scam” or else we wouldn’t be reading his tale of woe. These anti scam sites could possibly provide some worth to guys with a bit more nous who are prepared to do some due diligence but how many of those would be using Anastasia or contacting our model anyway?
I was criticised last night for being too hard on Richey and for not being very sympathetic. I would ask the likes of Boris and Ed, if they had read about a guy who had sent $4K to Nigeria to the Sister of the late Prince Eke Ahmed-Ngo on the basis that they would be receiving 50% of $20m within 7 days then how much sympathy would they be extending in those circumstances and what’s the difference between such a tale and that of Richey’s?
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Whilst I agree with almost everything you written Shakey, I do have two reservations regarding your comments.
1) We have no idea if this lady was in cahoots with Anastasia or made any money from her dates with Richey. We are guessing she might of and it's very probable she did but we don't know.
Preponderance of evidence. Not fullproof, but when you see smoke, they're almost always fire. Likely enough to be true that a warning on a scamsite that conveys the facts without too much emotion is certainly warranted.
2) Do these anti scam sites really protect anyone? Richey communicated with this lady for up to a year and no doubt spent many $’s in the process. We have to assume that at no time did he google “Anastasia Scam” or else we wouldn't be reading his tale of woe. These anti scam sites could possibly provide some worth to guys with a bit more nous who are prepared to do some due diligence but how many of those would be using Anastasia or contacting our model anyway?
Her name doesn't come up on any of the usual "scam sites" when you google it. Based on what we've read, it probably needs to have some kind of flag attached. Post picture because the name is certain to change once exposed. Too much potential revenue at stake for Anastasia to retire her just because of one scam report. My guess there will be others to quickly follow once the first one sees the light of day.
I'd sure be shocked if I were sending letters to her through Anastasia and discovered this story. Would cause me to ask more questions and definitely put a clamp on the checkbook. Putting the picture out there for others to see may well give cause to pause to some who are clever enough to do some reseach.
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well..for what its worth i got off the phone with my translator and she told me i shouldn't worry and that she is busy and i should hear from her... :'(
What do you expect her to say? She's trying to keep open the possibility of more revenue coming in.
Try a test. Write back and tell her you're thinking about making another trip in November but are waiting to receive a message form her before you procede with your plan. Under those circumstances, I'd wager you hear from her in 48 hours tops.
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Richey,
Several years ago, a former Anastasia girl told me that cooperation was not optional, it was obligatory. She had been advised that most men would never visit and that the translators would take care of correspondence. In the unlikely event that a man did visit, she would be briefed and she was required to meet with him. Whether or not she chose to have sex was up to her but she was warned that she shouldn't take them seriously because most of the losers were only visiting for sex. She was paid an undisclosed amount for the use of her photos and for each meeting that she kept. She also received frequent motivational talks (at no cost to her!) about the possibility of meeting an extraordinary man through the process. In the end she realized that she had made a deal with the devil because the circumstances under which she was forced to operate killed her ability to open up to the men who visited.
The moral of this story is that you shouldn't be too quick to judge; the girls are used also (until their beauty fades).
p.s.
The less attractive women have a different deal: they have to pay to have their profiles listed, thus, it is possible to find a sincere girl on that infamous site, but they will not be mistaken for photomodels.
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Whilst I agree with almost everything you written Shakey, I do have two reservations regarding your comments.
1) We have no idea if this lady was in cahoots with Anastasia or made any money from her dates with Richey. We are guessing she might of and it’s very probable she did but we don’t know.
2) Do these anti scam sites really protect anyone? Richey communicated with this lady for up to a year and no doubt spent many $’s in the process. We have to assume that at no time did he google “Anastasia Scam” or else we wouldn’t be reading his tale of woe. These anti scam sites could possibly provide some worth to guys with a bit more nous who are prepared to do some due diligence but how many of those would be using Anastasia or contacting our model anyway?
I was criticised last night for being too hard on Richey and for not being very sympathetic. I would ask the likes of Boris and Ed, if they had read about a guy who had sent $4K to Nigeria to the Sister of the late Prince Eke Ahmed-Ngo on the basis that they would be receiving 50% of $20m within 7 days then how much sympathy would they be extending in those circumstances and what’s the difference between such a tale and that of Richey’s?
well, here is the response from the "likes" of Ed. The difference is that the guy who sent money to Nigeria was guided purely by greed. In the case of Richey, surely the guy fell in love with a beautiful model which is a lot different IMO. Naive or not, we should recognise that he isn't just upset about the money here, but also emotionally devastated.
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The moral of this story is that you shouldn't be too quick to judge; the girls are used also (until their beauty fades).
So you're implying the girl here is completely and totally without blame?
To her credit, she didn't take "extra" advantage of the situation by taking him on an expensive shopping spree. In that regard she certainly isn't the typical "professional dater". But doesn't she bear some complicity by allowing her image to be used in the fleecing by Anastasia and then by sharing in some of the ill-gotten gain?
So how do you expose the scam by Anastasia without exposing the "bait"? To me the two go hand-in-hand. If they used her photo without consent and she wasn't making an "appearance fee" by meeting the "mark" and by her mere presence lending credibility to the scam, then that would be another kettle of fish altogether. But she is. Shouldn't she, to some extent, share in the guilt and resulting consequences of that guilt? Or maybe I'm making the mistake of trying to apply western morality to someone from the FSU?
By posting her name and image on a scam site, wouldn't that provide a deterrent to other ladies who are approached by Anastasia to be used in a similar fashion?
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Whether the girl is a scammer is debatable, therefore it should be the benefit of the doubt for the girl.
No question though, is that Anastasiaweb made another victim. My advice to Garichie is that he should let this disaster sleep for a few weeks, then get back on the horse and read on this forum how to snag yourself a true gem.
I have never been happier since I was successful. All the bad parts of this deal instantly faded whenever I think of Lena. She is a gift from heaven. It took me 3 trips to find her, but I learned a lot in the process.
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Naive or not, we should recognize that he isn't just upset about the money here, but also emotionally devastated.
Couldnt care less about the money...i would give another 4k to not feel like this..
I am not in love...but i did grow to care about her and love the person i thought i was talking to...
but emotionally devastated? well...i can say that i am pretty damn close to it.
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I've talked to a couple of girls who participated in scams like this as models in the past. basically they usually know that a man is being lied to. There's no way they wouldn't know because they must be briefed on the correspondence between "her" and him, which she hasn't participated in, in reality.
But these girls don't look at it as a real hard crime. One girl told me "if an "Amerikos" (a slang word for an American) is dumb enough to pay for this, he deserves what ever he gets". That's the mentality.
Some of these girls are more hard core than others and will try to get a guy for everything they can besides getting a cut from their agency.
This girl had enough decency not to let him buy expensive stuff for her and just fullfilled her contractual obligations.
Richey, my man, move on, learn from your misstakes, and when you are ready start talking to some real, single Russian women who are actually interested in a relationship.
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But these girls don't look at it as a real hard crime. One girl told me "if an "Amerikos" (a slang word for an American) is dumb enough to pay for this, he deserves what ever he gets". That's the mentality.
Absolutely true Eduard. That mentality commonly exists in the FSU. Almost a blame the victim mentality and revere the crook who was clever enough to pull the whole thing off. It's all about being the person at the end of the day who ends up holding the money.
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One girl told me "if an "Amerikos" (a slang word for an American) is dumb enough to pay for this, he deserves what ever he gets". That's the mentality.
Absolutely true Eduard. That mentality commonly exists in the FSU. Almost a blame the victim mentality and revere the crook who was clever enough to pull the whole thing off. It's all about being the person at the end of the day who ends up holding the money.
and this is why i wont do this again...
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So you're implying the girl here is completely and totally without blame?
No.
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Whilst I agree with almost everything you written Shakey, I do have two reservations regarding your comments.
1) We have no idea if this lady was in cahoots with Anastasia or made any money from her dates with Richey. We are guessing she might of and it’s very probable she did but we don’t know.
2) Do these anti scam sites really protect anyone? Richey communicated with this lady for up to a year and no doubt spent many $’s in the process. We have to assume that at no time did he google “Anastasia Scam” or else we wouldn’t be reading his tale of woe. These anti scam sites could possibly provide some worth to guys with a bit more nous who are prepared to do some due diligence but how many of those would be using Anastasia or contacting our model anyway?
I was criticised last night for being too hard on Richey and for not being very sympathetic. I would ask the likes of Boris and Ed, if they had read about a guy who had sent $4K to Nigeria to the Sister of the late Prince Eke Ahmed-Ngo on the basis that they would be receiving 50% of $20m within 7 days then how much sympathy would they be extending in those circumstances and what’s the difference between such a tale and that of Richey’s?
I can't speak for Ed. Vinny, I told you at the time I agreed with you but it is difficult to get through to someone with a cast iron clue bat. Sometimes a fungo works much better.
-The likes of Boris
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Look, i dont want people getting all pissed at one another over this..
Bottom line is i was screwed over bad...period..
thats really all that matters.
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I was criticised last night for being too hard on Richey and for not being very sympathetic.
See, here's the thing: A buddy of mine who is a holy-roller type Christian (or perhaps he fakes it, passably; it was basically a requirement to marry his wife), says "there's a way to tell someone they're going to hell that only makes them want to get there faster".
So, in my recent years, anyway, I prefer to outline my thought process, and let whoever I am talking to arrive at the "A-ha!" moment, on their own.
B/B
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Rickey,
It's probably come to your attention that selecting a potential wife based on unrealistic professional photos and insipid profile platitudes has some inherent problems, correct?
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Rickey,
It's probably come to your attention that selecting a potential wife based on unrealistic professional photos.
it wasnt just that...yeah..her looks got me there..but i liked what she had to say and thats what kept me there.
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Look, i don't want people getting all pissed at one another over this..
Bottom line is i was screwed over bad...period..
that's really all that matters.
Anastasia abused your trust as a client, that's for sure. Thy do it to ALL their clients. That's why Elena Besuden and her live in boyfriend Dan Sikes are millionaires right now.
You can either take your ball and go home or pick yourself up, dust yourself off and get back in the game. Many of us (myself included) have been hurt MUCH WORSE THAN YOU while in pursuit of their goal and we didn't quit. We found our happiness by trying again.
I know you can too!
My suggestion is you start by buying and reading the book "Russian Bride Guide". It will help to provide you the necessary motivation and will definitely start you in the right direction for success in this endeavor. Here's the link to the book:
http://russianbrideguide.org/
Good luck. Don't quit now. Learn and move on!
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it wasnt just that...yeah..her looks got me there..but i liked what she had to say and thats what kept me there.
Does "she" refer to Alina or to the translator?
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Does "she" refer to Alina or to the translator?
Touche' Tom
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it wasnt just that...yeah..her looks got me there..but i liked what she had to say and thats what kept me there.
Does "she" refer to Alina or to the translator?
No idea at this point.
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Look, i don't want people getting all pissed at one another over this..
Bottom line is i was screwed over bad...period..
that's really all that matters.
Anastasia abused your trust as a client, that's for sure. Thy do it to ALL their clients. That's why Elena Besuden and her live in boyfriend Dan Sikes are millionaires right now.
You can either take your ball and go home or pick yourself up, dust yourself off and get back in the game. Many of us (myself included) have been hurt MUCH WORSE THAN YOU while in pursuit of their goal and we didn't quit. We found our happiness by trying again.
I know you can too!
My suggestion is you start by buying and reading the book "Russian Bride Guide". It will help to provide you the necessary motivation and will definitely start you in the right direction for success in this endeavor. Here's the link to the book:
http://russianbrideguide.org/
Good luck. Don't quit now. Learn and move on!
Report to FBI about Anastasia's crime!!!
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One girl told me "if an "Amerikos" (a slang word for an American) is dumb enough to pay for this, he deserves what ever he gets". That's the mentality.
Absolutely true Eduard. That mentality commonly exists in the FSU. Almost a blame the victim mentality and revere the crook who was clever enough to pull the whole thing off. It's all about being the person at the end of the day who ends up holding the money.
and this is why i wont do this again...
Your experience did hurt but is not that destructive, right??? I encounter many times in my life (real or online)!
and now you see I am still very happy!!! :laugh: :)
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Trying to get close to a girl who doesn't speak a common language with you has some real challenges. (That business about understanding without words is just rubbish.) With great perseverence, it's possible to bring a clever girl from zero English to an acceptable level of conversational English in the course of two or three months. Unfortunately, the better that you and she understand each other, the more that an incompatibility becomes obvious. (No good deed goes unpunished... three times, in my case!)
If you decide to do this again, I suggest that you limit your contact to women who can manage their own correspondence and who have at least a basic knowledge of English. You can always fill in the blanks with a Russian-English-Russian dictionary and a handheld computer translator. Of course, the basic premise is that you should have a warm feeling that you are communicating with the girl in the photo, otherwise, all of your efforts are lost.
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So...do you guys think she even reads the emails i have sent?
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So...do you guys think she even reads the emails i have sent?
In case of anastasiaweb, it is entirely possible she read 0 of your emails and probably did not even know you were coming to visit until 1 week before your trip.
For a better experience, I can recommend to you:
- Elena's models
- Ladagirl (the owner of this site)
- Khersongirls
Generally, I had more good experiences with small agencies than bigger.
Mark.
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When you are ready to get back on the horse, and get it right, there is also our Recommended Sites List (http://ruadventures.com/index.php?ind=topsite) you may want to peruse.
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So...do you guys think she even reads the emails i have sent?
I'd say in all probability, no.
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When you are ready to get back on the horse, and get it right, there is also our Recommended Sites List (http://ruadventures.com/index.php?ind=topsite) you may want to peruse.
I'm surprised AFA are on that list. Talk about 'out of the fire and into the frying pan'. :(
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So...do you guys think she even reads the emails i have sent?
I doubt it. Your kind words probably warmed the translator's heart, though. Was she cute?
(They usually assign the same translator to assist you when you are in country because she is the only person who has a clue what you had written about.)
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.i read up alot on this and i wanted to make sure i was doing the right thing....
I don't think you read up a lot here. :prophead:
Richey, you have had some superb input on this topic. Reflect on it some, re-read the topic and give it some thought. Don't waste your time pasting her pictures everywhere either. You were not scammed by this girl, whatever you may think. You admitted that you spent no significant money on her. You were just one of thousands stiffed by Anastasiaweb.
You made many of the classic mistakes men make. You are not the first, nor will you be the last. It happens. At least you got on a plane. Many here have dithered for years and never done even that. You gained some experience of how not to do this. It only cost you $4k. You got off light.
I am just wondering, as you speak no Russian, and her no English, what was the master plan that would allow this relationship to develop in the future? When the interpreter had gone home? When she was in your country? In the year you were corresponding with her Anastasia's translators, did it occur to you to start learning Russian?
Yeah light is the word, £20k and 2 years wasted in my train wreck :D
But still managed to climb back on the horse and Ride off into the sunset 8) :party0011:
and you said that you were lucky... ::)
What part of that do you not find LUCKY?
Well I did enjoy it while it lasted only the last month of it did the luck run a bit dry
So without this I would never of met my Wife!! so I call this the best bit of luck no mater how you paint it :)
Do you not agree Ed?
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So...do you guys think she even reads the emails i have sent?
I doubt it. Your kind words probably warmed the translator's heart, though. Was she cute?
(They usually assign the same translator to assist you when you are in country because she is the only person who has a clue what you had written about.)
Im talking about the Email address she gave me before i left..she said it was her personal email.
Im not getting any mail daemons so i know its a legit email....i just wonder if you guys thi9nk she reads them..
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Im talking about the Email address she gave me before i left..she said it was her personal email.
Im not getting any mail daemons so i know its a legit email....i just wonder if you guys think she reads them..
If she doesn't reply, she either doesn't read them or she doesn't care.
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Im betting its both... :'(
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So...do you guys think she even reads the emails i have sent?
I doubt it very much. Unless you have her direct email address most likely you have been talking to different agency translators for the entire time (more than a year). I already told you after looking at the short letter sample that you posted that it looks like scam style letter, not from a real woman. I don't think she knew about your existance until the agency told her that you were coming and to keep the 8 days open for "dates" with you. Most likely she is "dating" the next guy now for the time of his visit to Odessa.
Best thing you can do is accept the reality of the situation and move on, don't dwell on this.
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Im betting its both... :'(
Dewd. A lot of guys stepped in it worse than you. The key is to stop beating yourself up and LURN from your mistakes.
B/B
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yeah, i know i need to move on...i am just going through the emotions of being betrayed, lied too, taken advantage of blah blah blah...
i think im more pissed then anything right now..
thanks for all the help guys. :)
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This was a bad date no more - unless you fell in live with a photograph.
Why should you feel so bent out of shape coz a visit to a penfriend went awry?
Almost certainly, if she meets a guy she wants to be with then she will want a relationship. You were not that guy.
If you are so unhappy because you fell in love with a picture then think of this, why would a moderately attractive woman be willing to wait a year for you?
Your biggest two errors:
1) You invested too much into nothing.
2) You thought that waiting a year to meet was acceptable.
So, next time understand that you will, almost certainly, be writing to an interpreter, that a relationship does not start until you meet and that attractive women (and men) have dates every weekend - or whenever they want. If you are interested ina profile then get on a plane and go. If you are not in a position to get your passport out then do not waste anyone's time, including your own, by writing in advance of preparedness to follow through.
Be right man! Do YOU think that this girl was sitting waiting for you to get on a plane? You overinvested hugely and now you are blaming her for your mistake. In writing this I make no comment or judgement upon any business practices or even upon the character or this young woman. If you had done the job right then this would almost certainly not have turned out as it did.
Oh, yes, it is most unlikely that she is reading your emails but if you have written to her about a propsoed second visit I bet you start getting some replies from 'her' but why bother, you are not in the frame anyway!
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yeah, i know i need to move on...i am just going through the emotions of being betrayed, lied too, taken advantage of blah blah blah...
i think im more pissed then anything right now..
thanks for all the help guys. :)
Dear Richey
In British/ Irish ( Ausssie / NZ?) English 'to get pissed' means to get Drunk .. suggest you do the same... sleep it off and forget about this lady.. it wasn't meant to be... don't accept any BS 'excuses' for non contact - if she missed you - you'd know.. BELIEVE US ..
Find yourself a FSU lady in her early to mid thirties.. PROMISE US you'll listen !
Matey, when you meet a good woman - you'll just know..
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Find yourself a FSU lady in her early to mid thirties
Well the age gap coupled with her age would make it pretty much a non starter in any event; as has been mentioned.
I am just wondering, as you speak no Russian, and her no English, what was the master plan that would allow this relationship to develop in the future? When the interpreter had gone home? When she was in your country? In the year you were corresponding with her Anastasia's translators, did it occur to you to start learning Russian?
Perhaps you missed my question in all the excitement Richey?
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This was a bad date no more - unless you fell in live with a photograph.
Why should you feel so bent out of shape coz a visit to a penfriend went awry?
Almost certainly, if she meets a guy she wants to be with then she will want a relationship. You were not that guy.
If you are so unhappy because you fell in love with a picture then think of this, why would a moderately attractive woman be willing to wait a year for you?
Your biggest two errors:
1) You invested too much into nothing.
2) You thought that waiting a year to meet was acceptable.
So, next time understand that you will, almost certainly, be writing to an interpreter, that a relationship does not start until you meet and that attractive women (and men) have dates every weekend - or whenever they want. If you are interested ina profile then get on a plane and go. If you are not in a position to get your passport out then do not waste anyone's time, including your own, by writing in advance of preparedness to follow through.
Be right man! Do YOU think that this girl was sitting waiting for you to get on a plane? You overinvested hugely and now you are blaming her for your mistake. In writing this I make no comment or judgement upon any business practices or even upon the character or this young woman. If you had done the job right then this would almost certainly not have turned out as it did.
Oh, yes, it is most unlikely that she is reading your emails but if you have written to her about a propsoed second visit I bet you start getting some replies from 'her' but why bother, you are not in the frame anyway!
hey bro...when you stop talking out of your ass....come back.
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This was a bad date no more - unless you fell in live with a photograph.
Why should you feel so bent out of shape coz a visit to a penfriend went awry?
Almost certainly, if she meets a guy she wants to be with then she will want a relationship. You were not that guy.
If you are so unhappy because you fell in love with a picture then think of this, why would a moderately attractive woman be willing to wait a year for you?
Your biggest two errors:
1) You invested too much into nothing.
2) You thought that waiting a year to meet was acceptable.
So, next time understand that you will, almost certainly, be writing to an interpreter, that a relationship does not start until you meet and that attractive women (and men) have dates every weekend - or whenever they want. If you are interested ina profile then get on a plane and go. If you are not in a position to get your passport out then do not waste anyone's time, including your own, by writing in advance of preparedness to follow through.
Be right man! Do YOU think that this girl was sitting waiting for you to get on a plane? You overinvested hugely and now you are blaming her for your mistake. In writing this I make no comment or judgement upon any business practices or even upon the character or this young woman. If you had done the job right then this would almost certainly not have turned out as it did.
Oh, yes, it is most unlikely that she is reading your emails but if you have written to her about a propsoed second visit I bet you start getting some replies from 'her' but why bother, you are not in the frame anyway!
hey bro...when you stop talking out of your ass....come back.
Andrew has that effect on people sometimes.... :laugh:
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Perhaps you missed my question in all the excitement Richey?
i have a hand translator and a home computer with translation sites on it.
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This was a bad date no more - unless you fell in live with a photograph.
Why should you feel so bent out of shape coz a visit to a penfriend went awry?
Almost certainly, if she meets a guy she wants to be with then she will want a relationship. You were not that guy.
If you are so unhappy because you fell in love with a picture then think of this, why would a moderately attractive woman be willing to wait a year for you?
Your biggest two errors:
1) You invested too much into nothing.
2) You thought that waiting a year to meet was acceptable.
So, next time understand that you will, almost certainly, be writing to an interpreter, that a relationship does not start until you meet and that attractive women (and men) have dates every weekend - or whenever they want. If you are interested ina profile then get on a plane and go. If you are not in a position to get your passport out then do not waste anyone's time, including your own, by writing in advance of preparedness to follow through.
Be right man! Do YOU think that this girl was sitting waiting for you to get on a plane? You overinvested hugely and now you are blaming her for your mistake. In writing this I make no comment or judgement upon any business practices or even upon the character or this young woman. If you had done the job right then this would almost certainly not have turned out as it did.
Oh, yes, it is most unlikely that she is reading your emails but if you have written to her about a propsoed second visit I bet you start getting some replies from 'her' but why bother, you are not in the frame anyway!
hey bro...when you stop talking out of your ass....come back.
Andrew has that effect on people sometimes.... :laugh:
well he is an idiot..
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Perhaps you missed my question in all the excitement Richey?
i have a hand translator and a home computer with translation sites on it.
You cannot run a marriage with those. They are for non serious use really.
It would become tiresome discussing what you both wanted for dinner using an Ectaco each day. Relationships are built on communication. A couple must be able to communicate in a common language for a relationship to function.
well he is an idiot..
You may also want to read this: http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=7688.0
Because someone tells you something you do not want to hear, does not make them an idiot. That "idiot" lives in the FSU and has dated many Russian women.
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Perhaps you missed my question in all the excitement Richey?
i have a hand translator and a home computer with translation sites on it.
You cannot run a marriage with those. They are for non serious use really.
It would become tiresome discussing what you both wanted for dinner using an Ectaco each day. Relationships are built on communication. A couple must be able to communicate in a common language for a relationship to function.
well he is an idiot..
You may also want to read this: http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=7688.0
Because someone tells you something you do not want to hear, does not make them an idiot. That "idiot" lives in the FSU and has dated many Russian women.
My God man.
i KNOW that i would need for her to take english lessons...but we would have to do what we would have to do until she learns it....
i have seen american/russian marriages on TV when they do a show on MOB's
i honestlky couldnt care less where he lives...a person that talk's about things that never happened is, indeed, an idiot.
never said i was inlove with her and im sorry to say that i have NEVER been inlove with a PICTURE!
maybe he should real the whole thread before he reply's and accuses me and her on waiting a year to see one another....there was a reason why it took a year..i WONT REPEAT IT!
he is sitting back telling me i over invested in this.....i invested myself more AFTER the meeting then i did BEFORE the meeting because of all the sweet and kind things she said and that she wanted to be with me.
and if he read the whole thread i wouldnt be here calling him an idiot or explaining myself, yet, again.
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GAR
Don't listen to a word Andy has to say. He really has some issues and I have learned over a period of time to ignore him. If you really feel the need just put him on ignore ,its feature RUA has where it blocks out the content of someone you may find to be an idiot. Now I'm not saying he's an idiot, those are your words, however I wouldn't totally disagree with you :chuckle:
And RUA doesn't allow insults to members, well unless one of the girls gets insulted then its ok it seems. I hope this won't get deleted....
When you were in Odessa , did you not get excited by the other gilrs walking around ? Some parts of the city has some really good areas to girl watch. But maybe you only saw Arkadia and Deribaskoskya ?
At any rate, here's my advice... When you start writting again, write to girls not younger then 25yo, and who can speak some conversational English. There's lots of them, it is just a matter of time before one of them clicks with you. You can tell the girls you have visited eastern Europe before, as this will let them know you have been to the FSU, and have serious intentions. She'll take comfort in knowing she is not writting to some guy who will never act upon his words.
But skip the young babes, there just not ready to make a plunge with a foreign guy who is double her age. And the few that are would take considerble luck in finding.
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Personally it does not sound in the least like you were scammed for a good time or that she is a scammer. If she were a scammer she would have accepted your offers of gifts and even more would have been insisting on them. It sound to me that she was trying to be nice to you because you came all that way but did not have the feeling you were the man she was looking for. That is one of the problems with a WOVO. I have had lots of trips just like yours where someone I had chemistry with in our communications just wasn't there when we met face to face.
Perhaps tomorrow when I have more time I will post a mini trip report in this thread talking about a trip I made to St. Petersburg to meed a girl who was a scammer. If you see any resemblance I will be surprised.
I would not suggest you post bad info about her anyway. There just wasn't the chemistry she needed. That does not mean that it won't be there with the next woman you meet even if she is very beautiful. We often say here that until you meet you are just pen pals. The fact she didn't kiss you tells me she was not in to you. A lot of guys here figure if they don't get in the sack by the 5th date the woman's not into them so no kisses in 8 days certainly tells me that.
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Personally it does not sound in the least like you were scammed for a good time or that she is a scammer. If she were a scammer she would have accepted your offers of gifts and even more would have been insisting on them. It sound to me that she was trying to be nice to you because you came all that way but did not have the feeling you were the man she was looking for. That is one of the problems with a WOVO. I have had lots of trips just like yours where someone I had chemistry with in our communications just wasn't there when we met face to face.
Perhaps tomorrow when I have more time I will post a mini trip report in this thread talking about a trip I made to St. Petersburg to meed a girl who was a scammer. If you see any resemblance I will be surprised.
I would not suggest you post bad info about her anyway. There just wasn't the chemistry she needed. That does not mean that it won't be there with the next woman you meet even if she is very beautiful. We often say here that until you meet you are just pen pals. The fact she didn't kiss you tells me she was not in to you. A lot of guys here figure if they don't get in the sack by the 5th date the woman's not into them so no kisses in 8 days certainly tells me that.
thanks alot TG..
but the last night we sat down and talked for over an hour and made plans on what we were going to do and how to do it.
she told me she wanted me and she asked me to wait for her and she would wait for me..
its all so confusing.
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GAR
Don't listen to a word Andy has to say. He really has some issues and I have learned over a period of time to ignore him. If you really feel the need just put him on ignore ,its feature RUA has where it blocks out the content of someone you may find to be an idiot. Now I'm not saying he's an idiot, those are your words, however I wouldn't totally disagree with you :chuckle:
And RUA doesn't allow insults to members, well unless one of the girls gets insulted then its ok it seems. I hope this won't get deleted....
When you were in Odessa , did you not get excited by the other gilrs walking around ? Some parts of the city has some really good areas to girl watch. But maybe you only saw Arkadia and Deribaskoskya ?
At any rate, here's my advice... When you start writting again, write to girls not younger then 25yo, and who can speak some conversational English. There's lots of them, it is just a matter of time before one of them clicks with you. You can tell the girls you have visited eastern Europe before, as this will let them know you have been to the FSU, and have serious intentions. She'll take comfort in knowing she is not writting to some guy who will never act upon his words.
But skip the young babes, there just not ready to make a plunge with a foreign guy who is double her age. And the few that are would take considerble luck in finding.
Thanks for the kind words Don..
what i dont get is that i am the one played by a scam and i come on here and people act like i am the one doing the bad things..
It really makes me wonder the true intentions of the people on here.
I did nothing wrong but believed in someone that lied...yet..i am treated like the bad guy.
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i just put him on ignore.
Thanks Don! :party0031:
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So, next time understand that you will, almost certainly, be writing to an interpreter, that a relationship does not start until you meet and that attractive women (and men) have dates every weekend - or whenever they want. If you are interested ina profile then get on a plane and go.
I couldn't disagree more, Andrew. My personal experience was quite different and it is also supported and multiplied by the experience of all other men I helped.
1. He will not be writing to an interpreter but rather to the actual woman as long as he is not working with a scam organisation.
2. My relationship with my wife started way before we met face to face. At first we emailed each other every day or more, thenstarted talking on the phone very often and spent hours chatting on MSN messenger. We really got to know each other extremely well and you may call that friendship (which is already a relationship by definition) but I think that we already developed feelings for each other by the time we met.
I observe a very similar pattern with pretty much all men I work with who succeed in finding their soulmate.
3. "If you are interested ina profile then get on a plane and go. " this one makes the least sense to me, particularly if a man lives in the US or Canada. It has been my experience that on average you need to talk to about 20 to 30 women to find one you feel good connection with and things in common and usually it takes time to figure it out. Doing it the way you suggest, Andrew, will take a lot of "jumping"!
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but the last night we sat down and talked for over an hour and made plans on what we were going to do and how to do it.
she told me she wanted me and she asked me to wait for her and she would wait for me..
its all so confusing.
Hey no problem, tiphat
You can trace the above quote to the money trail. And really if you know zero russian , she may just be saying one thing,and the inturp is telling you something you want to hear. Between the 3 of you, only the inturp really knows whats going on. That's why finding a girl with basic English is preferred. :)
As for others here and their true intentions, I think you only need to scrool back several pages and see the hate you had ,and your determination to post her as scammer. I have noticed you seem to have mellowed out...that's a good thing :)
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I've chilled out a little bit i guess..
not much i can do, ya know?
But, honestly, i really wish i could sue her for all the money i lost. :money:
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i have seen american/russian marriages on TV when they do a show on MOB's
Oh well, as long as you have been exposed to the facts then. :prophead:
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i have seen american/russian marriages on TV when they do a show on MOB's
Oh well, as long as you have been exposed to the facts then. :prophead:
Wow...man..i bet its awesome to be you Manny...to know every last thing about MOB's !
will you be my higher power? :bow:
i think its funny the way alot of you guys act your the "all knowing" and everyone else are just peons...
yeah...i watched a show on 20/20 (its an american TV show) on Russian wives and it showed how they communicated....
i hope thats good enough for you now Manny.
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i have seen american/russian marriages on TV when they do a show on MOB's
Oh well, as long as you have been exposed to the facts then. :prophead:
Wow...man..i bet its awesome to be you Manny...to know every last thing about MOB's !
will you be my higher power? :bow:
I would need a very large retainer. There would be much work to do. :biggrin:
During the process of being guided towards the light, it is natural that you will become abrasive with folks who actually seek to assist you and educate you. It is part of the healing process.
More reading and less sniping is my advice to you; that way you may learn something useful from all this. You have received useful wisdom from many very experienced people on this topic. In time, you will thank the people you are now sniping at for their objective clarity.
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i have seen american/russian marriages on TV when they do a show on MOB's
Oh well, as long as you have been exposed to the facts then. :prophead:
Wow...man..i bet its awesome to be you Manny...to know every last thing about MOB's !
will you be my higher power? :bow:
I would need a very large retainer. There would be much work to do. :biggrin:
During the process of being guided towards the light, it is natural that you will become abrasive with folks who actually seek to assist you and educate you. It is part of the healing process.
More reading and less sniping is my advice to you; that way you may learn something useful from all this. You have received useful wisdom from many very experienced people on this topic. In time, you will thank the people you are now sniping at for their objective clarity.
Ummm..you were a smartass to me...so i was a smartass back....
deal with it.
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Ahh.... I highly doubt those USA TV shows really give you the real deal on the MOB business.
:biggrin:
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Ahh.... I highly doubt those USA TV shows really give you the real deal on the MOB business.
:biggrin:
No they didnt...but the woman didnt speak any english at all..so they were explaining how they talked to one another.
thats all..no big story.
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Richey, look at your words and be honest with yourself.
You may not like what I wrote but if it ain't true in some significant part then I'm a Dutchman's uncle. You overinvested emotionally in a first meeting. The woman was not interested/able to continue with you but you wanted to believe otherwise.
Eduard, with the best will in the world there is no way you can say that the bloke was not writing to a translator nor that by using another agency he can be certain that the woman to whom he is writing is real. I am sure though that you would agree that a bloke who is willing to write to a hottie (and for sure she is attractive) for a year is writing to somebody who has options or committments.
Richey, I know what you talked about on your last night but two thoughts, coz we were not there...
1) did YOU lead the conversation and did she follow because you were both having a good time? (think holiday romance - a time out of life as it were)
2) and this is harder for you to know about - was this woman free to do as she wished. There are more than a few attractive women in this part of the world who have hopes and dreams, for whom you might have been the perfect man. You might have been everything of which she dreamed (OK unlikely but lets make that assumption) BUT there may have been good reasons why she chose to indulge in a shared fantasy. She may already have been the property of another man. She may already have had committments that reduced her freedom. If she had she would be VERY unlikely to tell you the truth. She may have meant every word she told you about what she wanted but for all sorts of reasons the was never going to follow through.
Believe me, this stuff happens and more than you might imagine. Attractive women here end up in situatoins that you would not want to wish on your worst enemy. They may be nicely dressed and 'glamourous' but have as as much freedom as a caged songbird. A woman in the situation that you described might well be one such - in fact I'd lay odds against her NOT having some 'committments' the only issue is her ability to escape or avoid them. If that were true then you may have given her as much fun and pleasure as she is likely to enjoy, apart from when she shares the same fantasies again in a week or so's time. Feel good that you did a good thing and rail against the situation that put the two of you together.
Just a thought about women reading and wriitng their own emails. Pareto (80/20) seems to apply in this business as in many others. 20% of the women will get 80% of the contacts. The agencies make their money from these women. The others are pretty much shelf fillers. A woman who is getting hundreds of contacts a month is not going to be able to handle the volume of correspondence required. If she starts communicating with more than one guy, in English or using a translator, how many can she deal with? How many messages was our hero sending to his penfriend each week. How long did it take to write the replies? Now multiply that by perhaps 10 guys at a time plus a couple of hundred contacts each month...
The top women in an agency with any volume simply can not handle the workload and it must be outsourced. The shelf fillers, well they can look after themselves.
I was looking at some numbers, admittedly from a free site (mamba.ru), the top profile from age 16-25, in little Estonia, on the site had 2200 visits in the past 30 days; the 100th had over 700 and these ranks are based on votes not page visits. The top in Russia had over 3000 visits. Think of a marriage agency and the depth of replies that the male clients need in order to feel comfortable. I mean, for me, on Mamba it is almost a case of 'you look hot, lets knock boots!' and the degree of communication is maneageable but even so, many girls get more than 50 response per day. In a MOB agency where life stories are extracted and evidence is sifted and considered the time investment is much greater. I know, I have helped a few women with this process. ;) You guys are madmen, overexpecting in everything.
On the other hand a smaller agency is not going ot have too many hotties coz they can not provide these girls with the traffic they want to see to enable them to make the choices they want to make so going smaller seems to mean settling for shelf fillers - yes, look at the pics and you will see what I mean here.
So, do not expect too much from these women, the hotties are too busy to be writing to everyone and you should not expect them to do so until they have something going on. Waiting a year is madness for the girls here! In the time it takes to get to meet one shy Yank they have been through a dozen generous Italians. The agency likes both client groups but the women will see it differently. Get your passport out and if you see somebody you fancy exchange the bare minumum of info and get met. Meet lots of oher women coz there is a good chance the first one will simply not fancy you (or you she) The cool thing is that the overexpectation issue goes away and you can have a good time, meet women and make choices.
Richey, you fell in love with a picture or you'd not have been writing for a whole year. Be honest with yourself then you can start to up your game.
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Don!
You are the best!
i see that Andrew posted something but all i see is :
This user is currently ignored.
Don, you are the man :party0031:
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No they didn't...but the woman didn't speak any english at all..so they were explaining how they talked to one another. that's all..no big story.
I know the show you're talking about. They did a follow-up show a couple years later and NONE of the couples featured in the original show was still married. Are those the role models you want to emulate? Or do you want to learn from the advice of men who have maintained a successful marriage to a woman from the FSU for 5+ years? Or do you want to continue to wallow in self-pity?
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Andy, I know that most likely he was talking to a terp for a year. I said it in one of my previous posts...but it doesn't have to be that way in the future if he avoids dealing with the likes of anastasia.
Richie, if I were you I wouldn't be putting Andrew on ignore. I might disagree with him on some issues but he has valuable input here that can help you and guide you.
You are new to the forum and because of your unfortunate experience with scam are very hurt. You might just want to try to be less defensive since every one here does want to help and support you. Some people simply don't have the sensitivity to do it in a more gentle manner. Trust me, once you get over your pain and shock you will start seeing things and the posts here in a different light.
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No they didn't...but the woman didn't speak any english at all..so they were explaining how they talked to one another. that's all..no big story.
I know the show you're talking about. They did a follow-up show a couple years later and NONE of the couples featured in the original show was still married. Are those the role models you want to emulate? Or do you want to learn from the advice of men who have maintained a successful marriage to a woman from the FSU for 5+ years? Or do you want to continue to wallow in self-pity?
my plan is to continue to wallow in self-pity.
Thanks!
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cool...i would un-ignore him but i dont now how.
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my plan is to continue to wallow in self-pity.
Thanks!
Fine. That's your choice. Please let us know when you decide you're finished doing that so we won't waste any more time trying to help you in the meantime.
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my plan is to continue to wallow in self-pity.
Thanks!
Fine. That's your choice. Please let us know when you decide you're finished doing that so we won't waste any more time trying to help you in the meantime.
Easy Bill...it was a joke.
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Easy Bill...it was a joke.
Glad you told me. I was just getting ready to use the ignore button myself.
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Here are Andrew's comments:
"Richey, look at your words and be honest with yourself.
You may not like what I wrote but if it ain't true in some significant part then I'm a Dutchman's uncle. You overinvested emotionally in a first meeting. The woman was not interested/able to continue with you but you wanted to believe otherwise.
Eduard, with the best will in the world there is no way you can say that the bloke was not writing to a translator nor that by using another agency he can be certain that the woman to whom he is writing is real. I am sure though that you would agree that a bloke who is willing to write to a hottie (and for sure she is attractive) for a year is writing to somebody who has options or committments.
Richey, I know what you talked about on your last night but two thoughts, coz we were not there...
1) did YOU lead the conversation and did she follow because you were both having a good time? (think holiday romance - a time out of life as it were)
2) and this is harder for you to know about - was this woman free to do as she wished. There are more than a few attractive women in this part of the world who have hopes and dreams, for whom you might have been the perfect man. You might have been everything of which she dreamed (OK unlikely but lets make that assumption) BUT there may have been good reasons why she chose to indulge in a shared fantasy. She may already have been the property of another man. She may already have had committments that reduced her freedom. If she had she would be VERY unlikely to tell you the truth. She may have meant every word she told you about what she wanted but for all sorts of reasons the was never going to follow through.
Believe me, this stuff happens and more than you might imagine. Attractive women here end up in situatoins that you would not want to wish on your worst enemy. They may be nicely dressed and 'glamourous' but have as as much freedom as a caged songbird. A woman in the situation that you described might well be one such - in fact I'd lay odds against her NOT having some 'committments' the only issue is her ability to escape or avoid them. If that were true then you may have given her as much fun and pleasure as she is likely to enjoy, apart from when she shares the same fantasies again in a week or so's time. Feel good that you did a good thing and rail against the situation that put the two of you together.
Just a thought about women reading and wriitng their own emails. Pareto (80/20) seems to apply in this business as in many others. 20% of the women will get 80% of the contacts. The agencies make their money from these women. The others are pretty much shelf fillers. A woman who is getting hundreds of contacts a month is not going to be able to handle the volume of correspondence required. If she starts communicating with more than one guy, in English or using a translator, how many can she deal with? How many messages was our hero sending to his penfriend each week. How long did it take to write the replies? Now multiply that by perhaps 10 guys at a time plus a couple of hundred contacts each month...
The top women in an agency with any volume simply can not handle the workload and it must be outsourced. The shelf fillers, well they can look after themselves.
I was looking at some numbers, admittedly from a free site (mamba.ru), the top profile from age 16-25, in little Estonia, on the site had 2200 visits in the past 30 days; the 100th had over 700 and these ranks are based on votes not page visits. The top in Russia had over 3000 visits. Think of a marriage agency and the depth of replies that the male clients need in order to feel comfortable. I mean, for me, on Mamba it is almost a case of 'you look hot, lets knock boots!' and the degree of communication is maneageable but even so, many girls get more than 50 response per day. In a MOB agency where life stories are extracted and evidence is sifted and considered the time investment is much greater. I know, I have helped a few women with this process. You guys are madmen, overexpecting in everything.
On the other hand a smaller agency is not going ot have too many hotties coz they can not provide these girls with the traffic they want to see to enable them to make the choices they want to make so going smaller seems to mean settling for shelf fillers - yes, look at the pics and you will see what I mean here.
So, do not expect too much from these women, the hotties are too busy to be writing to everyone and you should not expect them to do so until they have something going on. Waiting a year is madness for the girls here! In the time it takes to get to meet one shy Yank they have been through a dozen generous Italians. The agency likes both client groups but the women will see it differently. Get your passport out and if you see somebody you fancy exchange the bare minumum of info and get met. Meet lots of oher women coz there is a good chance the first one will simply not fancy you (or you she) The cool thing is that the overexpectation issue goes away and you can have a good time, meet women and make choices.
Richey, you fell in love with a picture or you'd not have been writing for a whole year. Be honest with yourself then you can start to up your game."
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cool...i would un-ignore him but i don't now how.
Hit the same button you used to ignore him in the first place
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Richey: You're grumpin' about having your arse handed to you by a dream and losing $4k in the process which seems (by the number of times mentioned) to be the bigger part of the deal and all this took 1 year. Did you book it all up on Amex?
Look on the bright side, I had my arse handed to me about 9 or 10 years ago which was 10+ years in the making, cost me about 200 X the numbers you're quoting and I didn't need to find an MOB to do that for me. A local did the job quite efficiently.
When you get whacked in the balls, you can either hang them out for all to see and hopefully sympathise with you over their sorry state, or you can catch your breath, suck 'em up in your guts and get on. Either way, you'll have a tear in your eye at some point and that'll only dry when you admit you've been whacked in the balls. You've been doing the opposite right through this thread. You refuse to acknowledge the emotional investment you made long before it was due. That's the lesson everyone is trying to get through to you because, hello.................a goodly number of those you would berate for providing sound advice have been there too at some stage. Remember, denial isn't just a river in the mid east. Deal with that first and the other issues, including your wounded pride will sort themselves out soon enough.
If you think life isn't fair right now, guess what? You're right, get used to it. BTW if you expect FSU ethics and morality to align with what you might expect in conservative USA, you're very much mistaken. It's another world and if you venture in, you play by their rules, nobody pushed you in.
This has all the hallmarks of a spoiled kid who's dropped it's bag of candy and it's everyone else's fault.
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Richey: You're grumpin' about having your arse handed to you by a dream and losing $4k in the process which seems (by the number of times mentioned) to be the bigger part of the deal and all this took 1 year. Did you book it all up on Amex?
Look on the bright side, I had my arse handed to me about 9 or 10 years ago which was 10+ years in the making, cost me about 200 X the numbers you're quoting and I didn't need to find an MOB to do that for me. A local did the job quite efficiently.
When you get whacked in the balls, you can either hang them out for all to see and hopefully sympathise with you over their sorry state, or you can catch your breath, suck 'em up in your guts and get on. Either way, you'll have a tear in your eye at some point and that'll only dry when you admit you've been whacked in the balls. You've been doing the opposite right through this thread. You refuse to acknowledge the emotional investment you made long before it was due. That's the lesson everyone is trying to get through to you because, hello.................a goodly number of those you would berate for providing sound advice have been there too at some stage. Remember, denial isn't just a river in the mid east. Deal with that first and the other issues, including your wounded pride will sort themselves out soon enough.
If you think life isn't fair right now, guess what? You're right, get used to it. BTW if you expect FSU ethics and morality to align with what you might expect in conservative USA, you're very much mistaken. It's another world and if you venture in, you play by their rules, nobody pushed you in.
This has all the hallmarks of a spoiled kid who's dropped it's bag of candy and it's everyone else's fault.
Oh...im sorry......seeing how i just lost someone i cared about for over a year because it was all a lie... i somehow got wrapped up in feeling sorry for myself..
My God im an asshole...i should be thinking about other people right now....maybe I'll go and save a baby seal or tie myself to a tree thats about to get cut down.
all i have asked was an opinion on what to think of my situation...
and all im getting is to suck it up and move on....[Edited for TOS violation]
It seems as though everyone forgot how it felt the first time you guys got screwed over..
i have to say...alot of you guys are [Edited for TOS violation]
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Oh...I'm sorry......seeing how i just lost someone i cared about for over a year because it was all a lie... i somehow got wrapped up in feeling sorry for myself.
It WAS a lie, An OBVIOUS lie to everyone but you. You duped yourself into believing it.
Now you want us all to morn your loss of a relationship that never really was? A relationship that was only in your mind and in the e-keyboard of some translator at Anastasiaweb? Grow up!
all i have asked was an opinion on what to think of my situation...
and all I'm getting is to suck it up and move on....[Edited for TOS violation]
It seems as though everyone forgot how it felt the first time you guys got screwed over..
i have to say...alot of you guys are [Edited for TOS violation]
It's obvious you don't like the message you're receiving. You'd much rather have someone pat you on the backside and tell you everything is going to be OK and have a good long cry with you. But when enough quality guys who have years and years of combined experience in this process send you a unified message, it's time you'd better start to realize how silly you look telling everyone how wrong they are.
My Sargent Instructor back at OCS at Quantico always told me, "You know where to to find sympathy in the dictionary? Right in between the words shit and syphilis". Actually it's in between the words symmetry and symphonic but you get the drift. :)
hey...do me a favor...when someone you care about dies...and you will never be able to see them again......Come on here and make a thread so i can tell you to "suck it up"
and go find someone else to care about.
Big difference between losing a REAL relationship and losing an imaginary one.
When you realize that; and also realize you only have yourself to blame for how you feel right now, then maybe we can help you. And we will try our best to help, if you'll just let us. Minds are like parachutes, they only work when they're open. :nod:
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Look, i dont want people getting all pissed at one another over this..
Bottom line is i was screwed over bad...period..
thats really all that matters.
Just another .02 cents from the peanut gallery here. Look, it's obvious you cared about 'her,' and I agree, the last letter that you posted from 'her' looks like a form letter - after a year, if it were from her, I'd expect it to have at least SOMETHING in it of a personal nature, a pet name for you, something that makes it look, well, personal.
No one is sticking up for AW. But it seems you are blaming the girl equally, without having done your homework, and without thinking of the culture or what may be normal or even a necessary part of life there. In the Philippines, it's quite common for many girls to be 'for sale.' Some bring back a 'client' to their family's house, hut, village, some in the same or the next room from their mother or father. Is this 'disgusting'? Yes, by our standards. However, she has no options for other work, and the few minutes/hours she spends doing that, can feed her family for weeks or more. Now, should we judge her as a 'bad person,' or doing what is necessary to provide for her family?
No one can say how much this girl was involved in the scam, for certain. It's very likely/almost positive that AW took a good chunk of your cash. It's very likely that she did not even *see* your letters. Did she give any indication that she read all you wrote for a year? A year of writing..she should certainly know a lot about you..did she? Did you check on apartment prices yourself before handing over money for an apartment, and for the translator? They're only a Google search away, and you had a year to do so..
Personally, I'm quite sorry for your experience..it sucks. However, she may have simply been offered a 'job' that sounded pleasant enough, to spend some time with a foreign guy..and from what you said, she wasn't begging for gifts or for you to spend money on her. Read some of the other stories on here and the 'shopping sprees' some girls try for. By all accounts, this could have been much worse, but by *her* standards, it's quite likely she did nothing wrong.
I'd do as suggested - mention to the translator that you'd like to see her again in a month, but want to reach her, and see what happens. Either way, though - I'd move on. Before discounting everyone, read some of the success stories as well. You went into this 'unarmed,' so to speak - you didn't do your homework on AW, or other sites or agencies, and you seem to ignore any of the possible scenarios before jumping into it. You received a last 'before your trip' email that could be addressed to nearly anyone, and it seems also that you are unable to grasp that what poses for 'morals' or 'right or wrong' is a variable thing, and it isn't fair to judge everyone by the same measure.
I'm not an expert here, by any means, but the above stands for itself. Take a deep breath, until you can think *clearly*, and then do your homework - weigh the chances of success with the chances of this happening again. Read, ask questions, and read more - information and some common sense/ability to read people is all you've got, and you seem to have not used any of these 'tools' the first time through. It's not too late to learn from the mistakes so far, to have a different, but happy, ending.
For whatever it's worth, I've communicated with perhaps a half dozen to a dozen very *real* women, as well as many others that were short lived, from the amusingly funny 20YO with a profile screaming 'I want a rich man' while sending me a very 'nice' letter, to some interesting or very sweet people that simply are obviously incompatible, to the wannabe princesses/green card girls. Of the relatively few that I got to know at all, each is different from the other - there really are all kinds. Some poor, some not so much, some educated, some not, some few even shy..ALL kinds. I've also had the privilege of meeting one very special girl, and even if I am unsure where that will lead, her family has shown me more kindness, more welcome and caring, than many families in any country. And some few others, I hope they indeed find happiness - there are some extraordinary people out there, if you try to find them without thinking a swimsuit model half your age would somehow have the same expectations as you.
I apologize for the diatribe here - it's obvious that you're upset, but much of this could have been avoided by some more homework on your part before jumping in. It's not a crime, but you have a decision to make - to turn the experience into anger and to hold onto that, or to realize that it could have been much worse, and learn from the experience. If you choose to believe that for some reason, all FSU women are the same, that everything is a scam, that's your choice. I would only point you to some of our female members here, some of the married folks, and the fact that we also meet a wide range of 'types' in our own backyards..if you do think to continue later, I can only suggest doing your homework, and perhaps not looking for a swimsuit model, and make sure that you are learning about the *person*, and not a translator.
Best of luck, either way, sincerely.
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It's obvious you don't like the message you're receiving. You'd much rather have someone pat you on the backside and tell you everything is going to be OK and have a good long cry with you. But when enough quality guys who have years and years of combined experience in this process send you a unified message, it's time you'd better start to realize how silly you look telling everyone how wrong they are.
really? because i went through and count two times when i expressed that i was dwelling bad feelings...then two more when i said i was pissed and then i was getting over it..
No were near wanting to get patted on the backside ( not sure where that came from..[Edited for TOS violation] and being told everything will be ok.
So stop trying to turn me into some big baby....i came here...asked for some advice...i got some smartass answers and said some smartass things back...and you guys dont like it.
Sorry that i got shitty back at some of your "home boys" on here....But i dont get shitty with someone until someone gets shitty or disrespectful to me..
re-read the whole thread and see for yourself....
I can tell you the [Edited for TOS violation] in this thread...
its the ones that say : you got scammed...dont be a bitch and move on.
again..i wonder how easy it was for all of you guys when you "got your balls whacked"
I went one time...and i wont go back....why? because i dont need too....
I can get a good looking 30 year old here.....
i see you [Edited for TOS violation] going back 20 - 30 times...why? because you have too....so much so that you get scammed time after time after time.....
No wonder you guys are the Gods of the MOB scams...you guys have had it all done to you....so much so you are numb to it...
Ok..stay here and be your gods.....
I'll just stand in the background and be at awe in your awesomeness.
peace out.
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Thanks for the kind words Don..
what i dont get is that i am the one played by a scam and i come on here and people act like i am the one doing the bad things..
It really makes me wonder the true intentions of the people on here.
I did nothing wrong but believed in someone that lied...yet..i am treated like the bad guy.
You said something about her being sweet and nice while you were there.
Sure, it's remotely possible, she has a busy life, and..she is TWENTY. She doesn't have quite the sense of urgency of someone older. Anything is possible, but to not write in a month?
Again, call the translator and mention you'd like to visit her again. Spice it up if you'd like, say you're thinking of <insert some exotic locale here>. If suddenly you've got mail, see what you can find out from her.
It all certainly sucks. No one is saying you're the bad guy here, only that you have no way to immediate say that she is the scammer here, while enough people have already told you how AW and some others may operate.
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only that you have no way to immediate say that she is the scammer here, while enough people have already told you how AW and some others may operate.
well..I feel the two go hand in hand...
Anastasia sets it up and the girls go with it....
they are all in it together.
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Richey: You've still got that flea up your bum and apparently it's biting by your bad mood? Never mind, the more I read the more I see in you and BTW, I understand how wounded you feel because a) this happened and b) folks here haven’t responded quite as you thought they might. Couple of points to note, 1) clearly you went in under prepared and 2) if you expect a certain type of answer to a question, be sure you know what that answer is before you ask it. None of that makes you a bad guy, just inexperienced.
You’ve shown a little “ticker” (heart if you like) in this thread and taken on all comers head first and although you have cried, at least you haven’t run away to sulk. Wrong on many aspects though you are and in time you’ll see that, your action in and of itself suggests to me you might just have enough stickability in you to pull something like this off (I don’t believe for a second you are done with this caper).
Things you might note from this experience and this thread. a) Nobody is going to pick you up when you fall, they will tell you how to do it yourself. b) Stay away form Aweb and any site that doesn’t give you the right to direct contact straight up. c) Don’t trust terps or any other 3rd party with something as valuable as your emotions. d) Most guys spend 2 – 4 years staking out their quarry in this caper. You’ve only spent ¼ of that and you’ve learned a bit. e) Many guys spend $40K and upwards over time capturing their quarry. You’re only 10% into the spend. f) Understand that a completely different set of business ethics exists in many FSU locations. Some of those, you and I don’t like, doesn’t make the people bad, just locals. g) A good wife is a rare animal locally, it isn’t 3 times harder to find that across the oceans, it is 3 squared harder with all the barriers. h) There is a lot of algae floating on the top of this pond around which so many frogs sit gazing hopefully inwards. To find a gem requires diving far below the surface.
Although you might not like most of what has been articulated by the experienced in this thread, particularly I’ve seen you react to Andrewfi, Manny and myself, you’ll find some nuggets in those raw posts if you read them with an open mind. BTW, these guys are no mates of mine, I wouldn’t know them if I fell over them in the street. Russia (or other FSU locations) is certainly not sugar coated for the foreigner and most of us who have been around those locations a bit have ditched the sugar coating off most other things also. You need to understand that in direct conversation with a RW (UW also if you like), things can be much more in your face than this thread has come close to being. I’m married to a Smokinhotkova a bit more than half my age who is as soft as butter and if she passed wind, you’d run a mile down wind to catch a sniff, BUT, I can tell you she would chew your butt from LA to New York and back if she read this thread. RW have no patience with any guy who tosses in the towel.
Think about it a little, most of us have better things to do than write comments on some stupid bulletin board. We have taken the time to offer something constructive. Consider it all and ask some reasonably formed questions, you might be surprised how much help is forthcoming. Your call.
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i wonder how easy it was for all of you guys when you "got your balls whacked"
I went one time...and i wont go back....why? because i dont need too....
I can get a good looking 30 year old here.....
i see you assclown's going back 20 - 30 times...why? because you have too....so much so that you get scammed time after time after time.....
No wonder you guys are the Gods of the MOB scams...you guys have had it all done to you....so much so you are numb to it...
Ok..stay here and be your gods.....
I'll just stand in the background and be at awe in your awesomeness.
peace out.
GARichley, sorry if some of the advice here was a little raw, and I'm sorry to hear that you were taken for a ride. But keep in mind, we try to give some advice so that you won't get taken in the future (if you keep trying).
The advice given by I/O and others is sound, should you ever choose to try again. Also remember that the guys here are not doing this to be mean, as there are VERY few guys here that have not been taken for a ride either with emotions or $$$.
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We can all point fingers at this and that but at the end of the day it all boils down to a few simple factors....
1) --- you say you did your homework but if you did you'd actually be far more acceptive of the end result of your trip.
2) --- the above is made even more obvious by the amount of cash you spent and how you handled your trip arrangements. Don't let your actions be put in someone else's hands, you need to always have your finger on the button.
3) --- this process is for the thick skinned and right now your skin is thin. If you can't mentally handle what you just went through with this girl, then you might not want to continue your FSU search as you're going to either fall into this situation again or your personal wall is going to be set so high that you're never going to let yourself truly connect with someone on the level that's needed.
4) --- maybe I'm wrong with this one but I haven't seen you mention any sort of actual contact aside from an email with her before you left. Considering you're going half way across the world and your intentions of wanting to form some sort of relationship with this girl, wouldn't you try to speak with her via the phone or skype or anything for that matter before taking off.... afterall this isn't a trip down the street to your local bar for a date.
5) --- as with most what I wrote... it's comes down to doing your homework and I can't say I've seen much of it done. 4k is a lot for one trip but on the whole if you did your homework you'd know that just about everyone finds "the one" after going through a few relationships (good n' bad). You had a relationship that was primarly good... you didn't lose a whole lot. If spending 4k put you in a serious hole then you should of planned your trip a little more carefully. Aside from the money spent, you got a serious education in how to navigate through the grey area's of corresponding with FSU based women... that's an education well worth most price tag's and you're now wiser (hopefully) to the pitfalls of trying to venture through the FSU dating world.
6) --- lastly, if you're tired of people like myself breaking down your moves and pointing the proverbial finger, then you need to disconnect a little. Don't post here or any other sites. Head over to the numerous sites like this one and go through the plentiful stories of the serious train wrecks. Find solace in the fact that you actually got off lightly and that all isn't wrong in your world and that there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Soak in what went wrong in the train wreck stories and prepare yourself to not let those pitfalls happen to you. One of the hardest things you're going to have to do is get friendly with the word "acceptance." ... accept that this may happen again, no matter how you approach you're next relationship... this voyage isn't simple and it's only going to get tougher. You say you do well with the ladies that are in your area, you may want to think about going the softer route and do a match.com/eharmony deal... in the very least, jumping into your own fishing pond will either give you the needed drive to go about the FSU search again or you'll end up fishing off your own pier and finding someone who's at your feet with less headaches.
7) --- whatever you do, good luck.
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As GaRichey has the real email address (not the terp's) , he could try and hire his own translator (do not use google translate or other electronic devices, it is not useful right now) and have them get a good idea of whats going on. At least the truth will come out.
At best, you can go back and re-visit this woman on an honest basis. At worst, you will get confirmation of what many said here. If the woman asks why a new translator you can always tell her that Anastasiaweb performed poorly and therefore you wanted more direct communication (and best of it all, THAT is the truth)
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b) Stay away form Aweb and any site that doesn’t give you the right to direct contact straight up. c) Don’t trust terps or any other 3rd party with something as valuable as your emotions. d) Most guys spend 2 – 4 years staking out their quarry in this caper. You’ve only spent ¼ of that and you’ve learned a bit. e) Many guys spend $40K and upwards over time capturing their quarry. You’re only 10% into the spend. f) Understand that a completely different set of business ethics exists in many FSU locations. Some of those, you and I don’t like, doesn’t make the people bad, just locals. g) A good wife is a rare animal locally, it isn’t 3 times harder to find that across the oceans, it is 3 squared harder with all the barriers. h) There is a lot of algae floating on the top of this pond around which so many frogs sit gazing hopefully inwards. To find a gem requires diving far below the surface.
Have to comment on this post: well, I'm OK with the b).
As far as c) is concerned this is a gross generalisation. I am a "terp", have you heard any one ever, any of my passed clients, etc. complaining about my translation not being accurate or me being dishonest? This statement is a bit offensive IMO. Surely there are plenty of honest terps out there who can do an excellent job for you. But off course there is always an option to become fluent in Russian yourself...good luck with that!
d) maybe, but it doesn't have to take that long...took me a couple of months to find my wife and we were married less than a year later. If you speak the language and know RW it is as easy as 1,2,3 which totally disproves "g)".
e) To say that one needs to prepair himself to spend 40K and upward for this is inaccurate IMHO. I personally spent around 4K for the whole thing and that included me buying her air ticket to the USA. granted I didn't need a translater or a place to stay at (stayed at my dad's apartment on the first trip and at her place on the second) but still, if all done right a WM can easily do this for around 12K total, 15K max.
f) yes there are cultural differences, but I've being in business for myself for many years in the US (not Russia or RW related) and my experience is that you can hardly trust any one here. The only thing that makes it appear "more honest and civilised" is the fact that anything you agree upon with any one gets to be put in writing and therefore there is a possibility of legal recourse in a court system that's a lot less corrupt than in Russia/Ukraine. But generally people are people and they are not that different over there as you try to portray them.
Now g) ::) if it were true and it was this much harder to find a good, family oriented woman in Russia, why would any one of us wanna do it??? This doesn't make sense! IMO it's exactly the opposite.
h) Only if you look at the little, dirty pond with a huge sign that says "MOB" on it. Very easy to find since it pops up everywhere on google searches! Walk just a few steps up the trail and you will see clean, clear open water, the ocean in fact, no algae and pearls all over the place...just think outside the MOB agencies box...
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Mark, I am pretty sure that if she could've, she would've. More emails now will be just a waste of electrons.
The ball was in her court and she chose to not lob it back. There may be all sorts of reasons for that but none of them help our hero.
If our hero wants to be dating women half his age I'd STRONGLY suggest that he gets some local league experience under his belt before entering the pro leagues. One of the ongoing issues I have with my current girlfriend is that she is young (19). She thinks differently to me, as I think, I/O mentioned they have different priorities and a different perspective on time. I have, due to a funny life situation, been dating women younger than I as well as much closer in age women for more than a decade and I tell you, yungins is hard work! The games they play are madness!
When our hero has a little muscle in his arm it will be time to start pitching at the pros in the FSU marriage agencies. I have to say that I'd DREAD the idea of mixing with those girls - they will be sharks! I met my current g/f through Mamba.ru and we chatted and talked on the phone for ages before meeting - we were on the phone together within hours though, exchanged over 1200 messages through Mamba excluding MSN and email. When we met though neither of us had any idea of how things would turn out. We were lucky. ;)
All of this was for a girl who lives a ten minute drive from my home.
How much similar work did our hero do for his hottie 5000 miles away?
From what he has told us, very little. Emails sent to an interpreter, no personal contact at all and he expected that when they sniffed each other's bums that love would follow. yeah, riiiiiggghhht!
EDIT FOR ADDITION: I strongly believe that to go chasing after women much younger than oneself is madness and an illness. However, if one comes into contact with a person 'by nature' as it were and he or she is of much different age then I see a clear difference. This does not mean the issues go away but it suggests to me that they will be dealt with from a position of equality and not power difference. In essence, see people as people and age as just one dimension of the complete person and one will not be going far wrong. If one chooses intergenerational relationships over more 'normal' relationships - relationships where age is a significant factor in the choice then one is likely doing something wrong, either to oneself or, more likely, to the other party. In truth though I see a big difference between a 60 year old bloke chasing a 35 year old woman and a 40 year old man chasing a 19 year old girl.
I would also suggest that a young girl who is genuinely interested, in the long term and/or consistently, in relationships with much older men probably has issues of her own that cause her to seek out these relationships and I do not think that is always healthy for the man in the partnership.
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Richey, First off, I agree with you there are some assholes on this site. There are also some very good guys. The problem is there is no consensus on who fits which label. Someone who is a jerk to one person is the purveyor of the best advice in the eyes of another. Even though the advice might be hard to swallow everyone means well.
Personally, I would not count on a future with this woman. I am not saying walk away but explore other options and try not to get your hopes up about her even if she does resume some contact.
If she does resume contact try to get her phone number and then get an independent interpreter, perhaps someone like Anastasia Ash to communicate with her. You need to get away from A-Web one way or the other. You are wasting time and money.
If there were not some good Russian women this forum would not exist. The time and money you lost is nothing compared to what I lost and many others. You need to decide if you want to give up on FSU women and if you do then that is probably the right decision because this can be a long, frustrating and expensive project. It definitely is not for everyone.
I don't see any way the girl scammed you. I still see the not kissing you as a strong sign she was not into you as much as you need her to be for a serious relationship. I can't say for sure one way or the other about A-Web but they have a very bad reputation. You mentioned you did a lot of research before you went. Where did you research? A-Web's site? There is a lot of good information here on RUA and I would suggest reading all you can. It is much easier and less expensive to learn from others mistakes than to make them yourself but I will warn you if we are pig headed enough ourselves we can only learn from our own mistakes and sometimes from making them over and over.
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I can tell you the [Edited for TOS violation] in this thread...
its the ones that say : you got scammed...dont be a bitch and move on.
I went one time...and i wont go back....why? because i dont need too....
I can get a good looking 30 year old here.....
i see you [Edited for TOS violation] going back 20 - 30 times...why? because you have too....so much so that you get scammed time after time after time.....
You were scammed Richey as you paid around double for most things and until you know for a fact the full extent of this lady’s involvement in this scam then you should move on. If that makes me an asshole then that’s fine by me.
With regards to the assclowns going back 20 – 30 times, I don’t suppose it ever crossed your mind that most have these trips may of have been to meet just one lady? I didn’t think it would have. Some guys like to get to know someone really well, meet their family and friends etc, spend some quality time alone together before they start making any emotional commitment to anything beyond just a friendship. It may not be everyone’s preferred MO as some like to jump right in from the off .... but it has its merits.
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This looks like fun..........
Have to comment on this post: well, I'm OK with the b)
I'm so relieved.!! I really thought I'd lost the plot for a while and then…………………you posted. It feel so much better now. :bow:
[Edited for TOS violation] As usual, you have completely missed the point in your utter ignorance and arrogance. Oh yes, it's all so easy if we follow Eduard's advice, he'll find (in his opinion) the wife of your dreams. From your record Eduard, you'd be the last one I would trust with anything, much less emotional value. No doubt you're still trying to tell us the available Russian women outnumber the men 8-1?
Sure, I speak enough Russian that I also could cart one of these dudes into wherever in Russia, dig up a couple of locals, sort some wheat from chaff and sell him down the road of marital bliss. And................guess what, I also can do it for the bargain price of less than $4K. I never said the desired way was the MOB scene and spending a zillion, I said, that is what many do. To ignore that reality is plain stupid, why am I not surprised. For the most part terps are no more than leaches who suck off the uninitiated and naive. There is handful of quality translators out there.
As far as c) is concerned this is a gross generalisation. I am a "terp",
Yes indeed and some of the nonsense I've seen from your keyboard over the last couple of years confirms my point. How's the 8-1 numbers doing? Lol. Past clients? Plural? We have evidence of one on video but we still don't know the outcome of that do we? Oh, sorry, we have a few of your alias posts around the net claiming to be clients. Funny really. How many forums have you been kicked off recently?
took me a couple of months to find my wife and we were married less than a year later. If you speak the language and know RW it is as easy as 1,2,3
Speed dating turned speed mating, step up and consult the guru. Not everyone wants to set records Eduard. Hello, most of these guys don't speak Russian and are not particularly interested in learning. Doesn't mean they should blindly place their marital future in the hands of some character of questionable intentions who has a pecuniary interest. That is plain dumb. Finding a lifetime partner is NOT a 1,2,3 exercise as the 50% divorce rate in USA and hello, are you listening Eduard, 70% divorce rate in Russia, where you claim to have some expertise, testifies.
To say that one needs to prepair himself to spend 40K and upward for this is inaccurate IMHO. I personally spent around 4K for the whole thing and that included me buying her air ticket to the USA.
Spelling is exciting, particularly for a terp and an available spell checker but there you go. Where did I say he needed to spend $40K? I suggested many do. Deal in fact please instead of your usual distortions. You spent less than $4K? Well golllllllllly, nobody is suggesting you shouldn't be a cheapskate and marry someone you don't know just because some “terp” told you to. That's a route anyone is welcome to take. Fortunately, most with an ounce of sense choose another.
yes there are cultural differences, but I've being in business for myself for many years in the US (not Russia or RW related) and my experience is that you can hardly trust any one here. The only thing that makes it appear "more honest and civilised" is the fact that anything you agree upon with any one gets to be put in writing and therefore there is a possibility of legal recourse in a court system that's a lot less corrupt than in Russia/Ukraine. But generally people are people and they are not that different over there as you try to portray them.
Utter crap and not worth a detailed response other than to say, I've done a few successful deals across the gap and the difference in ethics is night and day. Yours is a complete distortion. Your business in the USA, still the DJ game? High powered stuff no doubt.
if it were true and it was this much harder to find a good, family oriented woman in Russia, why would any one of us wanna do it??? This doesn't make sense! IMO it's exactly the opposite.
Hello, again your arrogance and foolishness prevents you from seeing the point. Distance, language and so forth…………….Hello?? And……..please don't keep spewing the crap of needing a good terp / guide / matchmaker / Eduard on your side. In case you haven't caught on, two or three years pushing this barrow around forums and still having time to do so tells me the business model doesn't sell very well. Folks just aren't interested for the most part. Further, I agree, it's madness deliberately going abroad looking for a wife. I certainly didn't, nor would I advise anyone to do so. I went to Russia and 26 other countries for a host of other reasons. But hey, boys are boys and one tends to sample the local cuisine along the way. Sometimes we find our taste in the most surprising restaurants
BTW, what is family oriented? Something like traditional? Please do yourself a favour and refrain from answer. I've heard enough of the housekeeper, mother, wife, loyal, rah rah thing but they forget to mention 70% divorce rate, oh sorry, all those divorces are initiated by Russian Men or because of the terrible actions of Russian men, Hello Eduard, what did you say you were? Strange, I thought it was Russian at last report. Perhaps it would be "convenient" (now there is a word we hear around the game) to be American at this point?
a few steps up the trail and you will see clean, clear open water, the ocean in fact, no algae and pearls all over the place...just think outside the MOB agencies box...
Yes indeed, think……………right into Eduard’s pocket. Well hello, we got something almost right. Who said everyone chases agencies? Clear open water. Sorry to burst your bubble buddy but the majority of that clear open water is humping local Russian boys and that’s exactly where they intend to stay. Sure, I can introduce our hero to any one of 20-30 single Russian girls between 22 and 35 right now who wouldn’t dream of placing their name on an agency list. All of them pretty damned classy in fact but none of them are about to jump his blue passport. He’ll have to earn their respect and no wingman is going to do that for him. Oh, BTW, they all speak decent English so he won’t need a twerp. Just sayin’. tiphat
All of that is merely social banter, the really important issue is cluing Richey in a little as to what the real deal is. Selling him down the cotton wool road is disingenuous at very least. :nod:
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1. do not fall in love with a picture
2. be ready to travel
3. be realistic in your expectations
4. never trust a single source
5. if a RW like you, you will have no doubt
6. get the agency out of things as soon as possible
Just 6 points where you failed.
If thats enough to make you go back to loacal women, I guess people in the FSU do no longer have to worry about you.
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Richey, Eric is engaged doing that at which you are spectacularly failing.
He has spent time learning working and implementing (and along the way helping others) as have many of us here.
You have the same opportunities as Eric and others - or you can do as you are doing: attempt to blacken the name of a woman whose failure was not to worship you in the manner you demanded, fail to learn by your mistakes as you have told us you intend to do and finally, again as you told us, to give up on this pursuit - task incomplete, objective unattained.
Now, I may sometimes think Eric something of a twat BUT he has my respect for setting a goal and working to attain it and for learning and growing along the way. You on the other hand, whilst you are similar to Eric in the first point in this paragrapgh, as to respect, well, not so much. ;)
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Richey,
Everyone here has had train wrecks, either abroad or locally. We would not be present were it not for an endless procession of friggin' disasters. Trust me, some of them have been of epic proportions: I remember guys who hoped to bring home a bride but returned with HIV instead. Most came home a bit less damaged, however.
You may not agree at the moment, but anger can be a very good thing because it distracts one from pain. I'll let you in on a little secret: everyone else knows about the phenomenon. Some are deliberately trying to irritate you to get you to snap out of your depression, others are simply reacting to you and, of course, a few are doing it just for sport. Irrespective of their motives, it is therapeutic. Nothing is more therapeutic than the love of a good woman, though. Alena wasn't a scammer but she wasn't a good woman either; continuing contact with her would be unproductive.
You should shift your focus to the mistakes that you made so that you don't revisit them in the future.
p.s.
Pop quiz: when you read my posts, how many levels of meaning can you detect therein?
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Gar I asked you if you didn't find the other girls walking the streets looking like something that you would like more of ? What did you think of Odessa and the way the girls were ?
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I was thinking to ask that too. What did you see of Odessa and how did you like it?
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My curiosity was aroused.
I wanted to see the girls profile on anastasiaweb but was unable to find it. Following links from her name on google lead me to believe the profile has been recently removed. Anybody have access to the link for her profile on the anastasiaweb site?
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Gar I asked you if you didn't find the other girls walking the streets looking like something that you would like more of ? What did you think of Odessa and the way the girls were ?
I thought that 80% of the ladies there were very beautiful...
as far as the city goes...about the same..
what i couldnt believe were all the stray dogs and cats..
but all in all..the people were very nice to me and i loved all the buildings..
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My curiosity was aroused.
I wanted to see the girls profile on anastasiaweb but was unable to find it. Following links from her name on google lead me to believe the profile has been recently removed. Anybody have access to the link for her profile on the anastasiaweb site?
her profile was removed about three months ago.
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her profile was removed about three months ago.
hmmmm. . . . . . .
can you share the reason why?
or
at least share what the interpreter told you was the reason why?
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My curiosity was aroused.
I wanted to see the girls profile on anastasiaweb but was unable to find it. Following links from her name on google lead me to believe the profile has been recently removed. Anybody have access to the link for her profile on the anastasiaweb site?
her profile was removed about three months ago.
Not really something that an active scammer would do....Things that make you go hmmmmm.......
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Gar
You have experienced what others have also fallen for, and what these type of sites promote. But you now have experience in areas that others have not received, and your posting here may warn others, before they make the same error. You have actual experience that you can now use for in other areas to eliminate any others that fall into this category. Knowing what is bad, is actually a good thing. The only downfall is that you went, but even that has benefits. So look at your education (expensive) as a stepping stone for actually finding the right one.
Some thoughts not expressed
That one note is a form letter, possibly a slightly altered one that expresses a more personal connection when you got it for something you said to her. It could actually be from her
as they do use full form letters, altered ones, as well as direct communication. Depends on how many she may be talking with at any given time. As for that number, considering how many ladies, in that age group are on that site, how many she is talking to could be not that many at any time. So you could have been in actually talks directly with her. The translator would just be the go between for the actual translating parts. But they do use ones that understand them better, rather then just anyone in the agency.
Now for that actual site, there are women on it who do this as a full time job, others that do it for additional money (quite often in that age group you were in). Now I tested that site
only with a profile without a picture. 500 hundred emails tells you a lot about one site, and from all age groups. Never needed to go further and actually sign up. :chuckle:
That site now has a live chat area, so did you ever use it with her before the meeting.
But I did test another live, as a full member. With more "tools" to determine what was happening. Some of the women now on the one you were on, are now on it, so I do have some knowledge of some of them. On these sites you will get form letters, from both her, and others the agency. Others will be altered form letters to make it seem you are communicating, other will be actual direct communication. Look at your communication with her, and the answer will be there. If you can remember others you got from other women, then you are ahead of the game if you decide to continue at some point. tiphat
Just stay away from high priced sites like that one and you will do better for any future contact. tiphat
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Well since it continues I will ask if everyone is caught up to date in my trip reports ? If not here's the link :knit:
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=1578.0
I will be making a new installment hopefully this week. My agency manager is too busy with a client this week ,so I have some extra time. I'll get some more chicky pics in there as well ,for your reading pleasure. I hope you boys don't mind me derailing this page. tiphat
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I hope you boys don't mind me derailing this page. tiphat
Not at all..this thread is a huge fail...on many ways. :biggrin:
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So where did you go in Odessa ? Did you hang out in Arkadia ? ( A large beach front area with bars and food joints )
Go to any nightclubs ? The dolphin show ? See the outskirts at all ? Go to the catacombs used in WW 2 ? Since she wasn't into taking your money I am quite sure you never visited 7KM market, the largest one on the continent.
So where did ya go and what did you see ? Did the sexy little accents and slim girls not give you an urge to return ?
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So where did you go in Odessa ? Did you hang out in Arkadia ? ( A large beach front area with bars and food joints )
Go to any nightclubs ? The dolphin show ? See the outskirts at all ? Go to the catacombs used in WW 2 ? Since she wasn't into taking your money I am quite sure you never visited 7KM market, the largest one on the continant.
So where di ya go and what did you see ? Did the sexy little accents and slim girls not giv you an urge to return ?
Yes, indeed, the women did make me want to return....i heard about how beautiful and how many the girls there are...
but you cant get a grasp on it until you actually see it for yourself...they are EVERYWHERE..
seems like if they dont paint their clothes on then they dont go out..
everything tight and sooo very sexy.
as for where i went on my trip...well..
we didnt go to the 7k market but she promised me we would go next time.....umm..yeah...anyway..
we went to a place on the beach thats south of odessa...its built like an old ship and has pretty good seafood...i had the coconut shrimp..
Didnt go to Arkadia...they told me that everyone says it a nice place but its too crowded and for tourists.
We did go to the American themed Horse Ranch with the catacombs..
did the whole horseback riding thing and took the catacomb tour...it was a very good time..
we also went to the WWII memorial...rode 4 wheelers...rode some go carts..
i have to say...i really did have a great time and i did enjoy my "date" and the translator..
they were both very nice people.
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First off, I agree with you there are some assholes on this site.
That's funny,,, I haven't posted a single comment on this thread. :ROFL:
Well, yeah, but I have, so it evens out. :chuckle:
B/B
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I'm sure it'a a little late but I figure I will put my 2 cents in here. People have been quick to jump in this guy, no wonder he has become defensive. I'm sure many people would feel the same way if they were in his position. Just remember back to when you were new to the scene. There are many mistakes that you make and wish you could undo but you dust yourself off and move on. I don't condone either side as to how low the comments have gotten but he has a right to be upset. Finding a way to smear her is something I might be inclined to do if I was in his shoes. Among the bickering there is a lot of good advice here that he can take with him if he chooses to try this again.
I was almost a victim when I started writing to some RW on a site called Kiss many years ago. One girl sent me many nice pictures and by the 2nd or 3rd letter she was telling me all kinds of warm and fuzzy stuff. Then came the, "My mother works at a travel agency so she can travel for cheaper. She already had some money but needed $400 more to get her ticket to come see me. I was pretty naive and was for some time considering sending her the money. At this time I didn't have much money as I was in College so I told her that I don't know if I can. The emails stopped right away. I became wiser and decided to pull a little prank. I wrote back and told her that I had great news and that I won some money and now I can come see her. I asked her when she would like me to come. Of course she (most likely a hairy Boris) never replied. 1st lesson learned. I gave up on this venture for a while.
Years pass and the idea comes back. I join Anastasia and buy some credits after seeing some profiles I liked. I narrowed it down to one specific woman with some possible backups if that fell through. By this point I've spent hundreds of dollars on credits and phone calls though the agency. I feel now it's time to make the big trip. I arrange to meet this girl in Odessa (her home town)...she will be at the airport. I book the tickets and then write to tell her.
She tells me her sister in Nikolayev is sick so she will be there exactly when I will be visiting. How convenient. I tell her that I will come to Nikolayev so we can be together and she can be near her sister...it's not a problem I said because family is important. She tells me now that she has to go to Kiev at the time I will be there to write some University tests. So even though her sister is supposedly sick, she can blow that off to go to Kiev for these tests. She asks me to book my flights for later but I said I cannot. She tells me she might be able to spend a few hours with me at the airport. I'm well passed being angry at this point. I tell her that she is deceitful and not to bother me anymore. She wrote back to ask if I was angry but I never replied.
I still went to Odessa but it was a shitty 1st experience. From the crappy runway to the rusty old truck that drives you to the airport. The smog in the industrial area and the roaming dogs that seem to have no home and like to bark all night. The city was nice but I didn't get to experience much because I could not communicate efficiently with the other girls I had as backups. I bailed early and chalked it up to a learning experience.
All in all, I've wasted over $3-4000 in failed attempts to find a RW.
After this I said I was done with it but it turns out I wasn't.
There's more but I have to run.
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NAB, I think those who might be perceived as having been harsh on the poor diddums were, in truth, reacting to his attitude. I do hope the bloke takes something away with him but I kinda doubt that he will.
Of course when we write posts here we are writing for an audience greater than one. Other people reading this (minus the heavy insults and pointless crap) have the chance to see what goes wrong when a bloke makes pretty much all the obvious mistakes without doing any of the basic research and then starts whining because the obvious happened.
If one other person reads this and thinks 'there but for the grace of God go I' then a good thing will have happened. If we all sat down and agreed with our hero then he'd get nothing from the experience and neither could anyone else.
I sincerely hope that would NOT have reacted as our hero has done and started a campaign against a woman who, based upon the reports of our primary eye witness, has done little, if anything wrong.
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NAB, I think those who might be perceived as having been harsh on the poor diddums were, in truth, reacting to his attitude.
Andrew,
You're slipping; I already made this observation on page 17.
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Yeah but I was replying to NAB's point.
Heck, it ain't as though this is not all repeated over and over both within this thread and in hundreds of others.
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That's true. I was just having a post count moment.
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NAB's example is good. The OP has two choices, 1) continue to complain over the dropped bag of candy and blame everyone else for it (which is partly right) or 2) pick the scattered candy up, sort out what is still useful, put them back in the bag and move on with 7/8 or better of the original bag + a whole lot of experience which can't be priced. It becomes a "glass half full or glass half empty" story.
My concern at the outset was / is his demonising of the woman involved. From what I know (none of this is the be all and end all) she is most likely earning some coin the best way she knows how in an environment which is very different from what he is used to. For mine, at least she is doing it on her feet and not on her back. Certainly the agent/cy/s have taken him for a ride but for goodness sakes, $4K, it's a round of drinks in the bigger scheme of things and he's had an 8 day international holiday. $500 / day ain't that bad with a hot running brunette (2 of them actually so the story goes) thrown in as bonus.
The over arching message to the OP and others is do your homework every which way you can think of and cross reference everything from at least 2 sources (which is where I think the OP erred). This whole international relationship thing can be a thorny apple to chew. A classic case of caveat emptor.
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I have cleansed this topic of most of the fighting and insults the last few pages.
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A journey like this is not for the faint of heart as some of us found out the hard way.
My wife has a saying, "Those who take risks drink champagne." Kind of fitting.
:)
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i agree Nab..
thats why i went and took the risk..
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Richey, you did not really did you?
One slightly disappointing encounter and you want to shame a pretty much nncent woman. You have said you will not continue with this venture. If that's taking a risk then I wonder what doing what you started - and then following through is?
What did you risk?
Go on, tell us what you 'riisked'.
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Richey, you did not really did you?
One slightly disappointing encounter and you want to shame a pretty much nncent woman. You have said you will not continue with this venture. If that's taking a risk then I wonder what doing what you started - and then following through is?
What did you risk?
Go on, tell us what you 'riisked'.
Look...Im sorry if you arent smart enough to understand.
I wont repeat myself. The questions you seek are in past reply's
but im honestly done with you and your meaningless questions..
i should have kept you on ignore.....i wont make that mistake again..
Bye Tool.
well hell..since Im going to put him on ignore..I might as well do The guys that just want to start arguments :GRRRR: and act like a badass.... 8)
peace out homies. tiphat
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I would not say "innocent" for this women. No one seems to dispute she is using forms letters, in her communication. The only dispute seems to be who is sending them. But regardless of whether it is her or the agency, this would be a complete red flag as to her intentions in meeting anyone.
Unless you have personal knowledge of her, as Gar does, no one can state for sure whether she is or not. It is a guess only from what he has said. Which when looking at it all,
does not give the whole picture to make that declaration. Considering he was taken for a ride on one of the worst sites listed, it would be more then a slightly disappointing encounter
for him. Every wonder how many actually get this experience and then decide to go no further. Quite a few I would think considering on any search engine the worst ones show up first.
Maybe this from report from Jim List will change some peoples minds. Done in August of this year. Anastasia topped the list. The only question in this report would be the ratio of real vs fake girls. If he did not read them, that what would hard to determine. But the volume speaks for itself as to the site and its offices in Russia and Ukraine. As a site he lists as 100 percent scam, you really believe she is totally innocent. Get real. :laugh:
http://agencyscams.com/russian-scam-agency-investigation.html (http://agencyscams.com/russian-scam-agency-investigation.html)
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I wont repeat myself. The questions you seek are in past replies
I asked a question that you never answered that I think might be quite important for determining her motivation -
I'll ask again -
You said she removed herself from Anastasiaweb about 3 months ago. That would be 2 months before your visit. What did she or the interpreter give as her reason for doing so?
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Look...Im sorry if you arent smart enough to understand.
I wont repeat myself. The questions you seek are in past reply's
but im honestly done with you and your meaningless questions..
i should have kept you on ignore.....i wont make that mistake again..
Bye Tool.
well hell..since Im going to put him on ignore..I might as well do The guys that just want to start arguments :GRRRR: and act like a badass.... 8)
peace out homies. tiphat
I wonder what assumptions an FSU woman who reads your posts (especially the censored ones) might make about the social class in which you reside.
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I wont repeat myself. The questions you seek are in past replies
I asked a question that you never answered that I think might be quite important for determining her motivation -
I'll ask again -
You said she removed herself from Anastasiaweb about 3 months ago. That would be 2 months before your visit. What did she or the interpreter give as her reason for doing so?
She had leave because of work.
but what gets me...it was pretty much a year to the date that she joined.
i have wondered if she had a 1 year contract with them (anistasia) ?
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She had leave because of work.
but what gets me...it was pretty much a year to the date that she joined.
i have wondered if she had a 1 year contract with them (Anastasia) ?
That's certainly a possibility.
Her meetings with you could have been cleaning up final contractual obligations.
Another possibility is that another man entered her life and he wasn't very understanding when it came to her method of making extra cash.
Just speculating possible reasons . . . . .
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yeah, i have thought about that aswell..
i guess i'll never really know. :drunk:
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I think it would be interesting to do a poll and see what kind of reaction people have reading stuff like this.
Here you have I/O spewing all this garbage about Eduard and for me reading how horrible Eduard is as a person and how his business is model is a bunch of crap actually had a bit of the opposite effect than what I/O intended. To me when I finished reading this I think my opinion of Eduard was a little higher (it wasn't low before) and my opinion of I/O was at least a little lower.
I think for me it was a little over the top and had a few statements of fact that I don't think are correct such as the divorce rate in Russia being 70%. I think the last statistic I saw had it close to even with the USA, maybe a tad higher. Most of the rest of what was said was of little or now value and was just spitting out hate.
When I see people who need to say things like that in the way it was done here I have to wonder if deep down inside the person is really a happy person. It just doesn't strike me as the way most people would fell and the things most people would say.
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*I* thought I/O's point :
>>Sure, I can introduce our hero to any one of 20-30 single Russian girls between 22 and 35 right now who wouldn’t dream of placing their name on an agency list. All of them pretty damned classy in fact but none of them are about to jump his blue passport. He’ll have to earn their respect and no wingman is going to do that for him. Oh, BTW, they all speak decent English so he won’t need a twerp. Just sayin’. <<
was quite valid..
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I do think sometimes people can have a good message or at least some valid points and manage to do a good job of hiding it among a bunch of ranting and raving.
There is a difference between introducing someone to x number of woman who would not place thier name on an agency list and x number of women who are looking for a good man to spend thier life with and would be willing to move abroad. I think in any valid relationship it is going to come down to how the two people feel about each other and the life they would have rather than who is helping with the introduction. I think we all wanted to avoid women who were only interested in a blue passport and not in building a good life with a good man.
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Richey, you may not read this, but to give you the benfit of the doubt I re-read your posts. Nope, I must´ve missed something where you took a risk. maybe you deleted a post or a sentence?
I am sure if she had a contract to meet mugs then it´d have stopped when she removed her profile. For whatever reason she wanted to meet with you and you blew it. Rationalise all you like but she did not scam you, she wanted to meet you but did not want, or was not able, to follow through.
Anastasia and form letters, before you call it a scam, think about the numbers guys. WTF do you expect, huh? If you were SSSSOOOOO desirable then you´d not be trawling sites of women selling themselves to foreign men so how do you think you are so special that every woman will reply in person to each of your sad missives? Remember there are LOTS of you and only a few of them - Pareto goes both ways - 80% of men chase 20% of the women!
Want to reduce your ´risk´? Look for a woman over 30 with a rug rat. You will be catapulted right into ´shelffillerland´ where every woman answers her own letters and is desperate for your attention. But then you´d be chasing the woman you could meet in your own little community and they were ´not good enough´for you were they?
Ao, what was the risk you took Richey. I can not help but think that others read your self serving little rants and wonder the same thing. Satisfy me and them, eh? What risk did you take?
Only if you did the really silly thing and fell in love with a phot and overinvested in a fantasy could you claim to have taken any risk. If you claim to have overinvested and fallen in love with a phote then I can only say ´more fool you´but to risk something you have to be in a position to lose something and you lost nothing coz you told us you enjoyed spending your money, there was no emotional connection, you were not in fear of your life (or health) and you did not lose another relationship in pursuing this fantasy. Ergo, no risk.
Mate, you may not like reading this stuff, it may not warm the cockles of your cocky, but it is closer to the truth than your fantasies and until you get the hang of that you will be pulling your pud, enjoying the company of madam Palm and her five lovely little ladies as you look at yet more fictional profiles from women who, if they exist have no real reason to want to meet you over any one of a multitude of other, probably more eligable, rivals..
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Past clients? Plural? We have evidence of one on video but we still don't know the outcome of that do we? Oh, sorry, we have a few of your alias posts around the net claiming to be clients.
I don't disagree with some of what you say, but I can assure you, I'm a former client of Eds, for 5-6 weeks. Nope, we didn't go to Russia, I pursued my own paths as well.
Ed needs to work on his people versus sales/'all knowing' skills a bit, because indeed, nothing is 'absolute,' and he comes across that way often enough, and sadly, he doesn't see it, or chooses to ignore it, but... That doesn't mean he doesn't provide a valuable service, which may be of more or less value depending on the people involved - for someone that's looking for a typical 'hot trophy wife,' and has some delusions that any of this is easy...I have no doubt he literally can save their hides, as well as give them quite an education.
Certainly, I also 'found' several women via Ed that showed promise, as well, that are likely I would not have been introduced to otherwise. If you happen to dislike his personality, or the 'near absolutes' he tends to come across with, that's one thing, and that's certainly worth discussion for whomever feels the urge.
Would he provide value to you? Nope, you're married! :) Others? Dunno. They should do their homework, look at themselves, and decide for themselves. I think he can provide value to nearly anyone in the search, but it's up to the individual to decide how much.
Did I get the impression Ed would 'pick me a wife'? Nope. If I did, I'd be running. Did I get some responses from women I immediately had little interest in? Sure, but I don't disagree about it being a numbers game, to a *point*. I'd prefer quality over quantity, and I tend to look for some specific things about a person, that isn't always immediately obvious in a picture or a profile.
Ed never gave the impression that he would 'decide when it's time to visit,' however, or anything else. Indeed, one person and I went off the site and direct to email, at which point it was my choice to translate myself, or have Ed to do it..I chose to have Ed do it. Personally, I started to lean more and more towards someone that at least spoke some level of English, but it's all mixed - some can read/write somewhat, some can't, that's something that's an individual choice, and at the time, I was more open to someone that might not speak English, but..not Ed's fault.
The girl I chose to meet..we had long emails and phone conversations in English, sometimes with the help of a dictionary, but it wasn't until we met and I saw how long it took her to translate an email I had sent her just before we met, that it became obvious just how difficult at least *some* parts of communication can be. We did very well, but it had it's moments, and we had patience, as well as a notebook and paper that we used often. With some patience, we didn't have many misunderstandings, but it's certainly a possibility. For me at least, I like to *talk* to someone, and even before things between us had started to become a serious potential to meet, I had already decided on my own preference for at least a passable level of English. Others might not agree, it's their call. I have no doubt that a girl could learn English, but I'd certainly make sure it was at least at a level of 3 (scale of 1-5) before you're asking any serious sorts of questions, or your Russian is equivalent..or if you're *really* daring, ok, use an interpreter to ask them for you.
His statement about 3-4 months. You've seen the video. Obviously, not all people are compatible. Do I believe if I had exclusively used Eds services, I would have 'the one' in that time? It's difficult to say. Do I believe that I would be flying to meet one or more? It's likely. From there, who knows, people are people. I try to dismiss a lot of 'noise' from conversation early on, to find out who a person really *is*, but some women are slower to open, some quicker. Yet, anything can happen. I don't agree that in 3-4 months you necessarily will have found 'the one,' but it's possibly it's the start of something, and I wouldn't worry terribly much about a scammer in that scenario.
The rest of what you said, or at least some of it..yep, I've wondered about the whole 'interpreter at your side' thing. It would not have worked well in my visit. I'm undecided on it, to be honest, and this is nothing I haven't told Ed on the phone. If you're communicating with girls/women with very little or no English, I'd say it could be a lifesaver, especially if you have any intentions of asking any serious questions within the span of only a few visits. Your other option - learn Russian *well*, or get her to learn English well, and then it's still likely you'll have misunderstandings, and it will take *time*. If I went down that path, I'd rather have Ed with me than some random interpreter, certainly, as he at least is a 'second opinion' that knows the girl somewhat via communications between you. I'd also make sure you manage to get some time without Ed around as well, which isn't something he discourages.
Will having an interpreter (*any* interpreter) along on a 'date' change the dynamics? Certainly. I haven't done it, but it's human nature - ask an intimate question of someone at a candlelit dinner sometime, then ask the same question of someone in the middle of a room full of people, or in front of even a close friend of theirs..there will be a difference in comfort, and possibly in the response. Could it be 'bad'? I'm sure it can, but I'd hope Ed remains as inconspicuous as possible during these sessions, and the women would know in advance that you will have an interpreter with you. Personally, I'm unsure the idea is for me, but..I'd choose Ed over a random interpreter if I were going to go down that path.
Having said all that, if you're willing to go down the path of trying to establish a *relationship* with someone that speaks no common language between you, that's your call. I hope you're *both* bright enough to recognize where miscommunications and misunderstandings (cultural or language) occur, that you both work to get a common language as soon as possible, and until then, weigh the odds of an interpreter or not, and at least don't propose until you've got some time with a common language.
The short answer - would I use Eds services again? Quite possibly.
If I pursue someone else, would I choose to pursue someone with *zero* English - probably not, but possibly.
Would I take Ed to Russia with me? I have no idea, honestly.
Heck, I/O - I might just wind up PMing you about your 20-30 English speaking 'friends.' :)
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I think we all wanted to avoid women who were only interested in a blue passport
Ok..i have heard this being mentioned in other posts...
what do you guys mean but only interested in a blue passport..?
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man, this ignore button is awesome. :loving:
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I think we all wanted to avoid women who were only interested in a blue passport
Ok..i have heard this being mentioned in other posts...
what do you guys mean but only interested in a blue passport..?
It's a reference to a lady just wanting to get a USA passport. Some of us are safe from this little nuance as ours are red. :nod:
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man, this ignore button is awesome. :loving:
How do you know? ;D
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man, this ignore button is awesome. :loving:
I accept donations on my PayPal for fixing the ignore button :king:
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There is a Chinese saying: "Burn the books and bury the intellectuals."
The expression was coined in the days when the Chinese masses were allergic to knowledge and intelligence. In fact, they did burn the books and bury the intellectuals (alive).
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I think we all wanted to avoid women who were only interested in a blue passport
Ok..i have heard this being mentioned in other posts...
what do you guys mean but only interested in a blue passport..?
It's a reference to a lady just wanting to get a USA passport. Some of us are safe from this little nuance as ours are red. :nod:
Thanks
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Richey, you may not read this, but to give you the benfit of the doubt I re-read your posts. Nope, I must´ve missed something where you took a risk. maybe you deleted a post or a sentence?
I am sure if she had a contract to meet mugs then it´d have stopped when she removed her profile. For whatever reason she wanted to meet with you and you blew it. Rationalise all you like but she did not scam you, she wanted to meet you but did not want, or was not able, to follow through.
Anastasia and form letters, before you call it a scam, think about the numbers guys. WTF do you expect, huh? If you were SSSSOOOOO desirable then you´d not be trawling sites of women selling themselves to foreign men so how do you think you are so special that every woman will reply in person to each of your sad missives? Remember there are LOTS of you and only a few of them - Pareto goes both ways - 80% of men chase 20% of the women!
Want to reduce your ´risk´? Look for a woman over 30 with a rug rat. You will be catapulted right into ´shelffillerland´ where every woman answers her own letters and is desperate for your attention. But then you´d be chasing the woman you could meet in your own little community and they were ´not good enough´for you were they?
Ao, what was the risk you took Richey. I can not help but think that others read your self serving little rants and wonder the same thing. Satisfy me and them, eh? What risk did you take?
Only if you did the really silly thing and fell in love with a phot and overinvested in a fantasy could you claim to have taken any risk. If you claim to have overinvested and fallen in love with a phote then I can only say ´more fool you´but to risk something you have to be in a position to lose something and you lost nothing coz you told us you enjoyed spending your money, there was no emotional connection, you were not in fear of your life (or health) and you did not lose another relationship in pursuing this fantasy. Ergo, no risk.
Mate, you may not like reading this stuff, it may not warm the cockles of your cocky, but it is closer to the truth than your fantasies and until you get the hang of that you will be pulling your pud, enjoying the company of madam Palm and her five lovely little ladies as you look at yet more fictional profiles from women who, if they exist have no real reason to want to meet you over any one of a multitude of other, probably more eligable, rivals..
this is funny..
i have to reply..
you act like you know so much , yet, you are a total [insult removed-Voyager] ..
what does everyone risk when they meet someone whether it be online or in person..
you dont have to be inlove with someone to risk feelings, health, money..
all of that aside..you really are a [insult removed-Voyager]. i actually feel sorry for you at this point..almost anyway.. i think some people - you - deserve to be a miserable person.
i did put you on ignore but i did take you off because of how much of a [insult removed-Voyager] you really are and it actually blows me away...and i enjoy watching you spew stupid, meaningless posts..and make a [insult removed-Voyager] out of yourself.
you know i really dont care about what you think and how you feel...and yet...you STILL come in here and post stuff...why?
why i'll tell you why...you need attention...poor little andy needs people to pay attention to him...and you are willing to get that attention at any means necessary...you are a sad pathetic man that just needs to go away...and leave me alone.
I mean...do i need to say please?
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Some people show their failur by their attitude in posts.
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this is funny..
i have to reply..
you act like you know so much , yet, you are a total [insult removed-Voyager] ..
what does everyone risk when they meet someone whether it be online or in person..
you dont have to be inlove with someone to risk feelings, health, money..
all of that aside..you really are a [insult removed-Voyager]. i actually feel sorry for you at this point..almost anyway.. i think some people - you - deserve to be a miserable person.
i did put you on ignore but i did take you off because of how much of a [insult removed-Voyager] you really are and it actually blows me away...and i enjoy watching you spew stupid, meaningless posts..and make a [insult removed-Voyager] out of yourself.
you know i really dont care about what you think and how you feel...and yet...you STILL come in here and post stuff...why?
why i'll tell you why...you need attention...poor little andy needs people to pay attention to him...and you are willing to get that attention at any means necessary...you are a sad pathetic man that just needs to go away...and leave me alone.
I mean...do i need to say please?
Moderator,
I hope that you let this post stand as written; it puts allegations of Alena being a scammer in clear perspective.
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I think we all wanted to avoid women who were only interested in a blue passport
Ok..i have heard this being mentioned in other posts...
what do you guys mean but only interested in a blue passport..?
It is just sort of an expression we sometimes use here Richey. I think what we are trying to say is that we want a woman who is not desperate. Someone looking for a good man who she considers someone she wants to spend her life with and not someone who wants to grab the first warm body to take her away from a life or country she dislikes with the thought that once she gets there she can upgrade to someone else who is richer, younger or better looking. Yes, it does not have to be a USA passport, it can be Brittish, Italian or anything.
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I was about to edit it for TOS. However, I see your point Tom.
It has been noted and actioned upon.
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this is funny..
i have to reply..
you act like you know so much , yet, you are a total [insult removed-Voyager] ..
what does everyone risk when they meet someone whether it be online or in person..
you dont have to be inlove with someone to risk feelings, health, money..
all of that aside..you really are a [insult removed-Voyager]. i actually feel sorry for you at this point..almost anyway.. i think some people - you - deserve to be a miserable person.
i did put you on ignore but i did take you off because of how much of a [insult removed-Voyager] you really are and it actually blows me away...and i enjoy watching you spew stupid, meaningless posts..and make a [insult removed-Voyager] out of yourself.
you know i really dont care about what you think and how you feel...and yet...you STILL come in here and post stuff...why?
why i'll tell you why...you need attention...poor little andy needs people to pay attention to him...and you are willing to get that attention at any means necessary...you are a sad pathetic man that just needs to go away...and leave me alone.
I mean...do i need to say please?
it puts allegations of Alena being a scammer in clear perspective.
you lost me on this..
can you please explain how it does that because i never even mentioned her.
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To the heart and mind ignorance is kind
Ignorance is bliss
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To the heart and mind ignorance is kind
Ignorance is bliss
Really?
because he asked me how i felt i took a risk...never asked how i felt like she scammed me..
so if ignorance is bliss..i bet you are one happy dude.
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To the heart and mind ignorance is kind
Ignorance is bliss
Really?
because he asked me how i felt i took a risk...never asked how i felt like she scammed me..
so if ignorance is bliss..i bet you are one happy dude.
One has to wonder if you have ever been charged, indicted, and or convicted for a domestic violence related offense....
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To the heart and mind ignorance is kind
Ignorance is bliss
Really?
because he asked me how i felt i took a risk...never asked how i felt like she scammed me..
so if ignorance is bliss..i bet you are one happy dude.
One has to wonder if you have ever been charged, indicted, and or convicted for a domestic violence related offense....
well..seeing how you act like andy in the way that you know everything...you should know that if i had ever been convicted of that offense i would never be able to bring a Ukrainian to the states.
so keep on wondering..you seem to be in that state of mind alot.
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Ok, then so you were never convicted.... ::)
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Ok, then so you were never convicted.... ::)
Your stupidity amazes me..
First you quote a person that doesnt make any sense..and then i call you out on it and you cant come up with anything Intelligent to say so you start to try and degrade me by saying that Im probably a felon.
the sad part is...is that you dont even know just how stupid you are..
hey man..why dont you go ask your mommy to go bake you some cookies...at least she loves you.
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Any other dolt like insults you'd like to throw out or are you fresh out having drunk your intellectual well dry?
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Any other dolt like insults you'd like to throw out or are you fresh out having drunk your intellectual well dry?
dude, i could go on all night showing everyone just how much of an dumb ass you really are....but you lack so much everyone would hate me because its like beating up a retarded kid.
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dude, i could go on all night showing everyone just how much of an dumb ass you really are....but you lack so much everyone would hate me because its like beating up a retarded kid.
Anything else you'd like to add?
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dude, i could go on all night showing everyone just how much of an dumb ass you really are....but you lack so much everyone would hate me because its like beating up a retarded kid.
Anything else you'd like to add?
hey man..you started this with your quote.
if you want to insult someone and not expect something back maybe you should start hounding another person.
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You tell yourself whatever you need to be ok and feel delusively well and make it through the day. Are you done yet, or is there more you would like to share?
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You tell yourself whatever you need to be ok and feel delusively well and make it through the day. Are you done yet, or is there more you would like to share?
Wow..im actually in shock.
tell myself what? what am i telling myself to feel better about myself?
You are a fricking nut job dude.
You come on here and start crap with me...i defend myself...and you ask me if I'M done?
the question is...are you done?
or are you going to keep trolling me on every post i make and try to belittle me?
i mean..im starting to think you have a crush on me and that i should have never posted a picture of myself.. :loving:
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A better course of action might be how our more experienced members would suggest Richey moves forward with a woman with more honest intent..........
We covered his experience to date, I am sure he has leaned a lot of stuff already. He is not here to bicker with folks I am sure.
We should be guiding him toward the right pathway........
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A better course of action might be how our more experienced members would suggest Richey moves forward with a woman with more honest intent..........
We covered his experience to date, I am sure he has leaned a lot of stuff already. He is not here to bicker with folks I am sure.
We should be guiding him toward the right pathway........
Manny...Im not gay...but i think i love you now :loving:
Thanks man....
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A better course of action might be how our more experienced members would suggest Richey moves forward with a woman with more honest intent..........
We covered his experience to date, I am sure he has leaned a lot of stuff already. He is not here to bicker with folks I am sure.
We should be guiding him toward the right pathway........
If our swain chose to read, search and learn as opposed to expressing and highlighting his anger issues he would have learned how he could go to the FSU for 50% off the going rate for airfare. (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=9123.msg128829#msg128829)
Furthermore since he's spending all of his time in this thread throwing his insults around he obviously isn't here to learn or he'd have tickets purchased already..... :o ::) :popcorn: :coffeeread:
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A better course of action might be how our more experienced members would suggest Richey moves forward with a woman with more honest intent..........
We covered his experience to date, I am sure he has leaned a lot of stuff already. He is not here to bicker with folks I am sure.
We should be guiding him toward the right pathway........
If our swain chose to read, search and learn as opposed to expressing and highlighting his anger issues he would have learned how he could go to the FSU for 50% off the going rate for airfare. (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=9123.msg128829#msg128829)
Furthermore since he's spending all of his time in this thread throwing his insults around he obviously isn't here to learn or he'd have tickets purchased already..... :o ::) :popcorn: :coffeeread:
:'(
and if you chose to read you would see that i have said time and time again...im NOT going back.....
i mean...damn man :fighting0025:
and i will say this one last time...i dont go out of my way attacking people..i react to the actions that i get...period.
K-thx-bye.
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If you are never going back and [Mod edit: Eric muses about that concept]
i would never be able to bring a Ukrainian to the states.
[Mod edit: Eric encourages the OP to take the right path]
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I'm NOT going back.....
But we know he has been already. We know he is a red blooded guy who looked around......
He has seen FSU women in their natural habitat........
So he isn't going back? After seeing the light he will accept a fat-arsed McDonald's American girl over a slim Slavic girl? I never yet saw a guy who didn't catch the bug after he went there......
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He'd be doing FSU ladies a favor by steering clear.
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If you are never going back and you have no intention of pursing FUW then why are you here again besides to be a troll?
i would never be able to bring a Ukrainian to the states.
Furthermore if you're not interested then why would you be concerned whether you can bring a lady here or not.... :biggrin: :popcorn: 8)
again...keep on posting because i LOVE it when a person makes an ass out of himself..
Dude, its MY thread...i can post as many times as i want.....how can i troll people that are talking to me in a thread i started??
its called.."responding" to people......
i learned that in the 3rd grade... :reading:
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He'd be doing FSU ladies a favor by steering clear.
very original.
how many threads did you have to go through to come up with that?
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I'm NOT going back.....
But we know he has been already. We know he is a red blooded guy who looked around......
He has seen FSU women in their natural habitat........
So he isn't going back? After seeing the light he will accept a fat-arsed McDonald's American girl over a slim Slavic girl? I never yet saw a guy who didn't catch the bug after he went there......
well..if i ever do go back...i dont think it will be to meet another woman..
i really did like the place but i dont really trust this whole.. "Mail order bride" thing anymore.
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GAR as a guy (me) who has lived in Odessa for a few months, and spent weeks there on other trips. I can tell you this about Ukraine. Odessa girls are different from those found in other parts of the country. Popular agency girls in Odessa are a breed onto their own. Far too many have gone the social route, met with countless WM, encountered the sex tourists, social misfits, and for whatever reasons they have become pro daters. I have met several, and this is what I base my opinion on.
If you seek out a different city, you will see the difference. You could purchase Manny's book, it's a easy read and packed with enough insight to wade past the problems that any guy who is looking in the FSU will cross pathes with.
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If he gets this upset at some guys in a forum, he will not do well with a Russian wife. They can get enough guys with a bad temper who think they know all.
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this is funny..
i have to reply..
you act like you know so much , yet, you are a total [insult removed-Voyager] ..
what does everyone risk when they meet someone whether it be online or in person..
you dont have to be inlove with someone to risk feelings, health, money..
all of that aside..you really are a [insult removed-Voyager]. i actually feel sorry for you at this point..almost anyway.. i think some people - you - deserve to be a miserable person.
i did put you on ignore but i did take you off because of how much of a [insult removed-Voyager] you really are and it actually blows me away...and i enjoy watching you spew stupid, meaningless posts..and make a [insult removed-Voyager] out of yourself.
you know i really dont care about what you think and how you feel...and yet...you STILL come in here and post stuff...why?
why i'll tell you why...you need attention...poor little andy needs people to pay attention to him...and you are willing to get that attention at any means necessary...you are a sad pathetic man that just needs to go away...and leave me alone.
I mean...do i need to say please?
Moderator,
I hope that you let this post stand as written; it puts allegations of Alena being a scammer in clear perspective.
Sorry Tom, we have to enforce the TOS as Manny has written it, otherwise it will be disregarded by others in the future.
I'm sure that the reader will be able to figure it out even without the insulting language.
Everyone please remember - you can disagree with the post, but don't make insulting comments to the poster
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If he gets this upset at some guys in a forum, he will not do well with a Russian wife. They can get enough guys with a bad temper who think they know all.
Ok..so..i have a bad temper because i am sick and tired of all the smartass comments by people..
yeah, i am damaged good's and should stay single for the rest of my life.
I dont know anything..thats why i am here....
contrary to you..andy and ECR who know everything...
grats on that too.
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Ok..so..i have a bad temper because i am sick and tired of all the smartass comments by people..
yeah, i am damaged good's and should stay single for the rest of my life.
I dont know anything..thats why i am here....
I think more relevant than any of that is sometimes you behave like a 12 yr old … an immature one.
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Ok..so..i have a bad temper because i am sick and tired of all the smartass comments by people..
yeah, i am damaged good's and should stay single for the rest of my life.
I dont know anything..thats why i am here....
I think more relevant than any of that is sometimes you behave like a 12 yr old … an immature one.
Vinny...i have about 15 emails from people telling me what all about you, Andy and ECR..
everyone of them tells me to just stay away from you all...and i have to agree with all of them...
also..you are about as smart as a 12 year old...
let me break this down so even YOU will understand..
If i act like a immature 12 year old then i am not acting like a 12 year old after all...i am acting either 11 years old or younger....
Now, i do understand if you dont understand what im saying...im pretty much expecting it.
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well..if i ever do go back...i dont think it will be to meet another woman..
i really did like the place but i dont really trust this whole.. "Mail order bride" thing anymore.
Hmm, the plot is thickening. Richey, misguided though I think you are, I'm placing enough stock in you to reckon on you muscling up and taking another shot. The trick is when you jump into the ring, don't lead with your chin.
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well..if i ever do go back...i dont think it will be to meet another woman..
i really did like the place but i dont really trust this whole.. "Mail order bride" thing anymore.
Hmm, the plot is thickening. Richey, misguided though I think you are, I'm placing enough stock in you to reckon on you muscling up and taking another shot. The trick is when you jump into the ring, don't lead with your chin.
thats some good advice.
i will admit i went in more blinded then i should have been and i trusted more then i should have..
Yeah, i did hear bad things about Anastasia but i also heard good things..
i figured it was just a bunch of jilted guys with their panties in a twist.
Now, well, i am seeing that i was wrong... :-X
I didnt do alot of the things i should have and i did alot of things i shouldnt have.
i just dont want to deal with this again.
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Richey, you don't act like a 12 year old because of how other people write in this thread. You act like a 12 year old because that is how you are.
When you blame others for your emotional responses you do yourself no favours For example, I may have an opinion about yu and how you behave, when I read your stroy about your lost love in the context of what I see of your personality I understand that here is you, the same person as the one who went to Odessa. There is no 'forum person' and 'relationship person' they are one and the same.
The woman who you saw in Odessa saw the same man as we see here and, as I am sure mst would agree, the picture is not entirely favourable.
One thing I stll find hard to understand is this, if you have no interest in returning to Ukraine to find a bride why are you here. You have told your tale, received modicum of sympathy and even some support but now? What is the profit for you?
Oh and yes, thanks for noting that you DID fall in love with photo. Now that we understand how you made an emotional committment that carried a risk of loss all you need do is understand that the fault for that is YOURS and YOURS alone. Rule one n the rule book you studiously avoided in your protracted research period: don't fall in love with a photograph!
There are millions of lovely women in this part of the world, I am noot sure if is a pity or not that yu will not be lighting up their lives with your presence - there is no shortage of emotionally stunted men here, do these women need any more?
If you can control your temper more than you are showing here and open your eyes a little you might do OK. If not, then there are millions of women who already understand your language and attitude in your own country.
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Richey, you don't act like a 12 year old because of how other people write in this thread. You act like a 12 year old because that is how you are.
When you blame others for your emotional responses you do yourself no favours For example, I may have an opinion about yu and how you behave, when I read your stroy about your lost love in the context of what I see of your personality I understand that here is you, the same person as the one who went to Odessa. There is no 'forum person' and 'relationship person' they are one and the same.
You act like you know me so well..when in fact you have no clue.
Keep guessing..i love how i have your mind in a twist.
One thing I stll find hard to understand is this, if you have no interest in returning to Ukraine to find a bride why are you here. You have told your tale, received modicum of sympathy and even some support but now? What is the profit for you?
Kind of like i dont understand why you STILL keep coming into this thread..
We get it...ok..you dont like the fact that i stick up for myself and wont let a few people talk down to me...i get it...now..its time for you to leave my thread now, right?
Oh and yes, thanks for noting that you DID fall in love with photo.
Sorry if you are one that falls in love with a photo but i can assure you I am not that kind of person..I dont fall inlove with look...
why do i always seems to be typing the same thing? Why is it so hard for you to understand this?
Look, just because YOU have fallen inlove with numerous amounts of pictures it doesnt mean every body does..
open your eyes a little you might do OK.
i give the same advice to you....
But honestly...if i am such a pain in the ass...why do you keep coming in my thread?
what is it about me that you need my attention so much....?
Honestly man..
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If he gets this upset at some guys in a forum, he will not do well with a Russian wife. They can get enough guys with a bad temper who think they know all.
Ok..so..i have a bad temper because i am sick and tired of all the smartass comments by people..
yeah, i am damaged good's and should stay single for the rest of my life.
I dont know anything..thats why i am here....
contrary to you..andy and ECR who know everything...
grats on that too.
You have the right on happiness just like anoyne else, and I only wish you the best.
Which is not going out and searching a woman that is bound to kick your ass for being a drama queen.
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hummmmm.... 22 pages of flogging a dead horse. I was done with this thread by mid page #4. Continuation of this is a waste of virtual ink, IMHO.
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If he gets this upset at some guys in a forum, he will not do well with a Russian wife. They can get enough guys with a bad temper who think they know all.
Ok..so..i have a bad temper because i am sick and tired of all the smartass comments by people..
yeah, i am damaged good's and should stay single for the rest of my life.
I dont know anything..thats why i am here....
contrary to you..andy and ECR who know everything...
grats on that too.
You have the right on happiness just like anoyne else, and I only wish you the best.
Which is not going out and searching a woman that is bound to kick your ass for being a drama queen.
Thanks alot.
but i am not looking for drama...i actually hate it...and i really wish the trolls would just up and leave this thread.
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hummmmm.... 22 pages of flogging a dead horse. I was done with this thread by mid page #4. Continuation of this is a waste of virtual ink, IMHO.
i couldnt agree more..i have asked twice to have this thread deleted because it seems to be a waste of time.
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hummmmm.... 22 pages of flogging a dead horse. I was done with this thread by mid page #4. Continuation of this is a waste of virtual ink, IMHO.
i couldnt agree more..i have asked twice to have this thread deleted because it seems to be a waste of time.
We don't delete this topic, because it offers quite some good and valuable advice to other members....
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One thing I stll find hard to understand is this, if you have no interest in returning to Ukraine to find a bride why are you here.
Im going to re answer this..
i am more then willing to learn about anything that i am doing, have done, or will do..
i am here because i value the help that i am getting from people that dont want to start an argument or try and belittle or harass...
So, that why i keep coming back.
I understand why you find it so hard to understand.
Maybe if i wrote it all down and used Pop-up's like in childrens books you would better understand...but i am betting you wouldnt...
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Maybe if i wrote it all down and used Pop-up's like in childrens books you would better understand...but i am betting you wouldnt...
Hmm, would that be anything like how wrong the title thread was ..?! :(
Just checked in to see if you had learnt anything, yet..
I guess banging heads is therapeutic ....
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"Moby,"
Our trisomy 13 case has been spending so much Atp trying to come up with insults towards the members here that he has forgotten to embark on his smear campaign. He even has shown some vague signs of peripheral comprehension of the issues and problems he has and what happened during his encounter.
Perhaps eventually with enough time, he'll be able to figure out that an angry, bitter, moody beau does not bode him well on his journey down the path of love, success, happiness, and respect. Maybe someone should send the concept to a kindergarten class and have them explain it to him. They are after all on an equivalent emotional and intellectual level currently. That may change later, but it remains to be seen.
"GArichey," if you think we are tough wait till you get in the sights of an RW, her friends and family. They bring pressure, and interrogation to a whole new level. See what happens when you feel attacked in those instances and you bunker down and reply with insults and anger.... ::) :o :-X :censored: :reading: :coffeeread: :biggrin: :biggrin: :popcorn: BTW, we are pissing you off because we're right.
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GARichey
Lets get back on track here.
My first comment in this thread (as far as I can remember) you titled this thread I'm Pretty Sure I Was Scammed For a Good Time! do you still now consider you were scammed? or have you learnt enough now to realise that all she did was show she was just not into you? yes she may have told a few white lies here and there, but really do you see how 20+ pages back you were so wrong in what you thought had happened, have you now learnt what is a scam and what she really could have taken from you if indeed she was a scammer, and do you understand now, what happened is just something that happens when two people are dating and one of them is not really into the other, she didn't want to continue with the ralationship, so guess what? she moved on, it happens thousands of times a day all around the world.
Chris
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Our trisomy 13 case has been spending so much Atp trying to come up with insults towards the members here that he has forgotten to embark on his smear campaign.
This thread has some socially redeeming value then.
Now that the dust has settled, it seems that Alena is not a scammer and that she is as good a judge of character as she is beautiful. She will probably make some lucky guy a fine wife.
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Our trisomy 13 case has been spending so much Atp trying to come up with insults towards the members here that he has forgotten to embark on his smear campaign.
This thread has some socially redeeming value then.
Now that the dust has settled, it seems that Alena is not a scammer and that she is as good a judge of character as she is beautiful. She will probably make some lucky guy a fine wife.
Agreed
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hummmmm.... 22 pages of flogging a dead horse. I was done with this thread by mid page #4. Continuation of this is a waste of virtual ink, IMHO.
i couldnt agree more..i have asked twice to have this thread deleted because it seems to be a waste of time.
We don't delete this topic, because it offers quite some good and valuable advice to other members....
That's why it is called "The Train Wreck Room"
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GARichey
Lets get back on track here.
My first comment in this thread (as far as I can remember) you titled this thread I'm Pretty Sure I Was Scammed For a Good Time! do you still now consider you were scammed? or have you learnt enough now to realise that all she did was show she was just not into you? yes she may have told a few white lies here and there, but really do you see how 20+ pages back you were so wrong in what you thought had happened, have you now learnt what is a scam and what she really could have taken from you if indeed she was a scammer, and do you understand now, what happened is just something that happens when two people are dating and one of them is not really into the other, she didn't want to continue with the ralationship, so guess what? she moved on, it happens thousands of times a day all around the world.
Chris
Honestly, I don't think we can be sure of her motives. Maybe she was trying to make a little extra money. Maybe this is her first step on the pro-date tour. We just don't know. My opinion is she wasn't into him in the first place but she got to have some nice meals, did some fun things and knowingly made some extra money. I think he has a little reason to be hurt and a little upset. I do know after reading this thread if I were a new guy and had had a bad experience I would definitely not post anything about it here.
The title should have read "I was used for a good time..." For some reason some of the members have a problem with the word "scam."
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The title should have read "I was used for a good time..." For some reason some of the members have a problem with the word "scam."
Look...i am getting hassled by the same 4 people over and over...but yet i have around 15 people telling me that i shouldnt even respond to them,
lets see...4 against me..and 15 or more for me...HMMMMMM?
makes you wonder...
at first everyone was saying that i was getting scammed..except TomT who obviously has the hots for her and wants to defend her honor...( i hope his lucky fiance is ok with it)..with a "long con"
now...because i dont take any of crap you guys love to swing at people...now she didnt scam me but was a good judge of character...
you guys are so full of crap you make me laugh..
and if you guys think that im sitting here at my desk being all pissed then you give yourselves too much credit...
i sit at my computer and laugh my ass off at you guys and i see ever so much clearer why you HAVE to go out of the country to get a piece of ass..
TomT..[TOS Edit - personal attack]
Look, you 4 want to gang up on me and and turn me into someone I'm not...so be it..
you guys are no one and nothing..
i didnt give a crap about what you thought about me a week ago...i dont care now..and i wont care a week from now....
Let me also say this.....If i didnt like a person and didnt like what he had to say then i would just stay away from that person..his threads and pretty much everything that included him...
But yet...here you guys are...still in my thread..trying to make me into someone Im not because i wont take your shit..
you guys are pathetic.
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For some reason some of the members have a problem with the word "scam."
"Boris,"
I have no issue with the word scam or even outing a scammer. That being said, as I have stated from the beginning, I don't believe this lady necessarily falls into the 'scammer' category. The agency does, but not necessarily this lady.
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For some reason some of the members have a problem with the word "scam."
"Boris,"
I have no issue with the word scam or even outing a scammer. That being said, as I have stated from the beginning, I don't believe this lady necessarily falls into the 'scammer' category. The agency does, but not necessarily this lady.
Hi...welcome to 15 pages ago..
if she had any knowledge about the scam and included herself in the scam...then she is a scammer.
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For some reason some of the members have a problem with the word "scam."
"Boris,"
I have no issue with the word scam or even outing a scammer. That being said, as I have stated from the beginning, I don't believe this lady necessarily falls into the 'scammer' category. The agency does, but not necessarily this lady.
Hi...welcome to 15 pages ago..
if she had any knowledge about the scam and included herself in the scam...then she is a scammer.
Post your evidence she knew about the scam and participated in it.
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you guys are pathetic.
What's pathetic, unwarranted and uncalled for is taking a pot shot and insulting a fellow forum members fiance who is also a member here. When did you think that would be ok? [TOS Edit - personal attack]
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For some reason some of the members have a problem with the word "scam."
"Boris,"
I have no issue with the word scam or even outing a scammer. That being said, as I have stated from the beginning, I don't believe this lady necessarily falls into the 'scammer' category. The agency does, but not necessarily this lady.
Hi...welcome to 15 pages ago..
if she had any knowledge about the scam and included herself in the scam...then she is a scammer.
Post your evidence she knew about the scam and participated in it.
and you wonder why i laugh at you guys..
Read the title to the thread..."Im Pretty sure" which means i dont know...which means i dont have evidence...
which is why i came here asking...
if i had total proof the title would be.."i have been scammed...i have proof..watch out for this bitch."
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you guys are pathetic.
Hi..im a loser that has nothing better to do then sit back and troll a guy.
im just like you guys...i call it as i see it.
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Read the title to the thread..."Im Pretty sure" which means i dont know...which means i dont have evidence...
which is why i came here asking...
if i had total proof the title would be.."i have been scammed...i have proof..watch out for this bitch."
Conjecture, and insinuation doesn't make a strong case for your cause nor provides adequate evidence that what you assume exists.
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ECR,
It certainly doesn't take much to pull his chain, does it?
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Vinny...i have about 15 emails from people telling me what all about you, Andy and ECR..
everyone of them tells me to just stay away from you all...and i have to agree with all of them...
Really? I’m surprised that they all have your unpublished email address, on a different day I might have thought you were lying.
Let me also say this.....If i didnt like a person and didnt like what he had to say then i would just stay away from that person..his threads and pretty much everything that included him...
So you like us now? :laugh:
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ECR,
It certainly doesn't take much to pull his chain, does it?
did my truth hurt you to what your reality really is?
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Vinny...i have about 15 emails from people telling me what all about you, Andy and ECR..
everyone of them tells me to just stay away from you all...and i have to agree with all of them...
Really? I’m surprised that they all have your unpublished email address, on a different day I might have thought you were lying.
Let me also say this.....If i didnt like a person and didnt like what he had to say then i would just stay away from that person..his threads and pretty much everything that included him...
So you like us now? :laugh:
i honestly dont like or dislike you guys..
you all make me laugh at how deep your stupidity goes.
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Read the title to the thread..."Im Pretty sure" which means i dont know...which means i dont have evidence...
which is why i came here asking...
if i had total proof the title would be.."i have been scammed...i have proof..watch out for this bitch."
Conjecture, and insinuation doesn't make a strong case for your cause nor provides adequate evidence that what you assume exists.
FYI, "Garichey," you didn't ask if you had been scammed in your opening post. You stated you thought you might have been and how you were experiencing this terrible sense of loss over falling in love with your emotional projections with a long term pen pal.
When it was suggested that you were scammed by "Vinny, and others" you got all defensive and decided to go get all offended. You do a very poor job of obfuscating the facts and you're consistently showing a lack of reading comprehension and understanding of your own words. Use your head for more than a hat rack and reconsider your continuous crusade to erase all doubt and illustrate that yes you are in fact that dense.
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Read the title to the thread..."Im Pretty sure" which means i dont know...which means i dont have evidence...
which is why i came here asking...
if i had total proof the title would be.."i have been scammed...i have proof..watch out for this bitch."
Conjecture, and insinuation doesn't make a strong case for your cause nor provides adequate evidence that what you assume exists.
sense of loss over falling in love with your emotional projections with a long term pen pal.
Thanks....See, i really dont need any more proof that all you guys are trying to do is piss me off..
you tell me i have a reading comprehension problem but i have said about 3-4 times that i am not inlove with her nor have i ever even told her i loved her.
again...all you guys try to do is say smartass things..believe me..i have read other threads and i have seen other smartass things you guys say to other members...
but hey, thats ok because you guys are the cool guys of this forum....You must be so proud of yourself.
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When it was suggested that you were scammed by "Vinny, and others" you got all defensive and decided to go get all offended.
you really need to re-read the thread...i didnt get offended by him saying i was scammed...its what i wanted to HEAR! YOU [TOS Edit - personal attack] ~~~ L M F A O !
what you really need to read is the smartass comments he was making...thats when i got defensive..
i honestly [TOS Edit - personal attack] you are...i mean...WOWZA
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When it was suggested that you were scammed by "Vinny, and others" you got all defensive and decided to go get all offended.
you really need to re-read the thread...i didnt get offended by him saying i was scammed...its what i wanted to HEAR! YOU [TOS Edit - personal attack]! ~~~ L M F A O !
what you really need to read is the smartass comments he was making...thats when i got defensive..
i [TOS Edit - personal attack]...i mean...WOWZA
Which comments were those?
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GARichey has received three warnings for insulting members, personal attacks and bad language. He will rejoin us in seven days.
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Read the title to the thread..."Im Pretty sure" which means i dont know...which means i dont have evidence...
which is why i came here asking...
if i had total proof the title would be.."i have been scammed...i have proof..watch out for this bitch."
Conjecture, and insinuation doesn't make a strong case for your cause nor provides adequate evidence that what you assume exists.
sense of loss over falling in love with your emotional projections with a long term pen pal.
Thanks....See, i really dont need any more proof that all you guys are trying to do is piss me off..
you tell me i have a reading comprehension problem but i have said about 3-4 times that i am not inlove with her nor have i ever even told her i loved her.
again...all you guys try to do is say smartass things..believe me..i have read other threads and i have seen other smartass things you guys say to other members...
but hey, thats ok because you guys are the cool guys of this forum....You must be so proud of yourself.
"Garichey,"
[TOS Edit - personal attack]. It's ok though keep digging. You entitled this thread "I'm Pretty Sure I Was Scammed For a Good Time!". Then later express disbelief that this lady would do such a thing...
Ok..so what im hearing is that she did this to make a few hundred bucks? that doesnt even sound right. :'(
Then [TOS Edit - personal attack] blurt out the following:
i promise you...no one is going to stop me from this..
if people want to tuck their tails and let this happen to them without doing anything...thats great for them..
but not for me.
But wait, you entitled your thread you were pretty sure
that you had been scammed. Later once again it's a big surprise when you state you didn't know any better and never considered it until "vinnyvinny," brought it to your attention.
Umm..i was told by the all knowing vinny that she scammed me !
Don't worry though folks, stay tuned the flip flopping continues as well as the changing story depending on which 'voices' "Garichey," is listening to at the moment.
Shall I continue to highlight your [TOS Edit - personal attack] and inability to comprehend your own words "Garichey," or is this small glimpse enough that you now 'get it'?
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Yet again, a thread has turned into a cautionary tale about the character issues of men who search for a foreign bride. I hope that the women who read these topics understand that the men who start them are atypical.
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Yet again, a thread has turned into a cautionary tale about the character issues of men who search for a foreign bride. I hope that the women who read these topics understand that the men who start them are atypical.
I remember about 1 year ago Mrs Manny told me something about
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All the Spring break stuff has been moved to here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=9136.0)
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I hope that somebody learns something from all this. I really doubt that RIchey will get much, although I do see that he has moved his postion a tad since he started posting.
I guess that the real BIG HUGE takeaway from this is DON'T FALL IN LOVE WITH A PHOTOGRAPH and somewhere behind this is that all the letter writing in the world does not entitle the swain to any more than the opportunity to have an intial meeting with the object of his desire. There is no relationship without a meeting.
Good luck Richey, take the anger management classes, read this forum LOTS and/or buy Manny's book and, of course, learn from your experiences. ALL this applies even if you never take another flight to another country in pursuit of a relationship - this all applies to you and women you meet in your own community.
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Sorry, just needed to use this new animated icon :
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Sorry, just needed to use this new animated icon :
:trainwreck:
Train Wreck at "Petticoat Junction." Whoo! Whoo!
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Yet again, a thread has turned into a cautionary tale about the character issues of men who search for a foreign bride. I hope that the women who read these topics understand that the men who start them are atypical.
Atypical of men in general perhaps but far less unusual for men chasing foreign women through marriage agencies.
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Past clients? Plural? We have evidence of one on video but we still don't know the outcome of that do we? Oh, sorry, we have a few of your alias posts around the net claiming to be clients.
I don't disagree with some of what you say, but I can assure you, I'm a former client of Eds, for 5-6 weeks. Nope, we didn't go to Russia, I pursued my own paths as well.
Ed needs to work on his people versus sales/'all knowing' skills a bit, because indeed, nothing is 'absolute,' and he comes across that way often enough, and sadly, he doesn't see it, or chooses to ignore it, but... That doesn't mean he doesn't provide a valuable service, which may be of more or less value depending on the people involved - for someone that's looking for a typical 'hot trophy wife,' and has some delusions that any of this is easy...I have no doubt he literally can save their hides, as well as give them quite an education.
Certainly, I also 'found' several women via Ed that showed promise, as well, that are likely I would not have been introduced to otherwise. If you happen to dislike his personality, or the 'near absolutes' he tends to come across with, that's one thing, and that's certainly worth discussion for whomever feels the urge.
Would he provide value to you? Nope, you're married! :) Others? Dunno. They should do their homework, look at themselves, and decide for themselves. I think he can provide value to nearly anyone in the search, but it's up to the individual to decide how much.
Did I get the impression Ed would 'pick me a wife'? Nope. If I did, I'd be running. Did I get some responses from women I immediately had little interest in? Sure, but I don't disagree about it being a numbers game, to a *point*. I'd prefer quality over quantity, and I tend to look for some specific things about a person, that isn't always immediately obvious in a picture or a profile.
Ed never gave the impression that he would 'decide when it's time to visit,' however, or anything else. Indeed, one person and I went off the site and direct to email, at which point it was my choice to translate myself, or have Ed to do it..I chose to have Ed do it. Personally, I started to lean more and more towards someone that at least spoke some level of English, but it's all mixed - some can read/write somewhat, some can't, that's something that's an individual choice, and at the time, I was more open to someone that might not speak English, but..not Ed's fault.
The girl I chose to meet..we had long emails and phone conversations in English, sometimes with the help of a dictionary, but it wasn't until we met and I saw how long it took her to translate an email I had sent her just before we met, that it became obvious just how difficult at least *some* parts of communication can be. We did very well, but it had it's moments, and we had patience, as well as a notebook and paper that we used often. With some patience, we didn't have many misunderstandings, but it's certainly a possibility. For me at least, I like to *talk* to someone, and even before things between us had started to become a serious potential to meet, I had already decided on my own preference for at least a passable level of English. Others might not agree, it's their call. I have no doubt that a girl could learn English, but I'd certainly make sure it was at least at a level of 3 (scale of 1-5) before you're asking any serious sorts of questions, or your Russian is equivalent..or if you're *really* daring, ok, use an interpreter to ask them for you.
His statement about 3-4 months. You've seen the video. Obviously, not all people are compatible. Do I believe if I had exclusively used Eds services, I would have 'the one' in that time? It's difficult to say. Do I believe that I would be flying to meet one or more? It's likely. From there, who knows, people are people. I try to dismiss a lot of 'noise' from conversation early on, to find out who a person really *is*, but some women are slower to open, some quicker. Yet, anything can happen. I don't agree that in 3-4 months you necessarily will have found 'the one,' but it's possibly it's the start of something, and I wouldn't worry terribly much about a scammer in that scenario.
The rest of what you said, or at least some of it..yep, I've wondered about the whole 'interpreter at your side' thing. It would not have worked well in my visit. I'm undecided on it, to be honest, and this is nothing I haven't told Ed on the phone. If you're communicating with girls/women with very little or no English, I'd say it could be a lifesaver, especially if you have any intentions of asking any serious questions within the span of only a few visits. Your other option - learn Russian *well*, or get her to learn English well, and then it's still likely you'll have misunderstandings, and it will take *time*. If I went down that path, I'd rather have Ed with me than some random interpreter, certainly, as he at least is a 'second opinion' that knows the girl somewhat via communications between you. I'd also make sure you manage to get some time without Ed around as well, which isn't something he discourages.
Will having an interpreter (*any* interpreter) along on a 'date' change the dynamics? Certainly. I haven't done it, but it's human nature - ask an intimate question of someone at a candlelit dinner sometime, then ask the same question of someone in the middle of a room full of people, or in front of even a close friend of theirs..there will be a difference in comfort, and possibly in the response. Could it be 'bad'? I'm sure it can, but I'd hope Ed remains as inconspicuous as possible during these sessions, and the women would know in advance that you will have an interpreter with you. Personally, I'm unsure the idea is for me, but..I'd choose Ed over a random interpreter if I were going to go down that path.
Having said all that, if you're willing to go down the path of trying to establish a *relationship* with someone that speaks no common language between you, that's your call. I hope you're *both* bright enough to recognize where miscommunications and misunderstandings (cultural or language) occur, that you both work to get a common language as soon as possible, and until then, weigh the odds of an interpreter or not, and at least don't propose until you've got some time with a common language.
The short answer - would I use Eds services again? Quite possibly.
If I pursue someone else, would I choose to pursue someone with *zero* English - probably not, but possibly.
Would I take Ed to Russia with me? I have no idea, honestly.
Heck, I/O - I might just wind up PMing you about your 20-30 English speaking 'friends.' :)
RG, we did go exactly for 5 weeks. I really would have liked you to go through the whole program so that rather than guessing, you would know for sure and could give your review here. Right this moment we probably would have been in Russia meeting the ladies and a couple of weeks from now you'd be planning the second trip to spend Christmas and New year's with a very special one. I am confident that this would be the case had you stuck with the program, but we'll never know now will we?
As far as me "getting in the way" when in Russia or Ukraine why not ask the 2 people on this forum that actually did go with me - Divad and Catman?
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Could someone summarize this soap opera in 20 words or less? I could only make it to page 16. Hey tainted, do this: Go to a massage parlor, you know the ones with the foreign girls, pay them $100 USD, go into the back, strip down (underwear too), tell them you want a "happy ending" and relax. It will be the best rebound from depression that money can buy and it will not hurt anyone. Those women will be very nice to you. They believe in protection, so do not fret about things anymore. It will most likely change your outlook on life. 3 years ago, I was under so much pressure working 16 hours a day, that my boss took me to one of those places for my birthday. It mellowed me out alot. I was married only to my job at the time. Do this and PM me in the morning.
:nod: :nod: :nod:
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somehow this last post reminds me of that old commercial on TV - "How do you spell relief?" :laugh:
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Go to a massage parlor, you know the ones with the foreign girls, pay them $100 USD, go into the back, strip down (underwear too), tell them you want a "happy ending" and relax. It will be the best rebound from depression that money can buy and it will not hurt anyone.
:'(
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somehow this last post reminds me of that old commercial on TV - "How do you spell relief?" :laugh:
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Ed, your Avatar is great. You look a little disheveled from chasing your daughters. Just wait until they are teenagers and are dating! I think you may go bald. I thank God everyday that I have four sons.
Seriously, you have the tired look of a happy father. :)
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somehow this last post reminds me of that old commercial on TV - "How do you spell relief?" :laugh:
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Seriously, you have the tired look of a happy father. :)
that's probably because I am tired from doing so much, and I am a happy father :biggrin:
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With the background of my experience(s) I reread this entire post last night – while trying to figure out a separate problem. There is allot of drivel here with some wisdom between. Some thoughts.
“h) Only if you look at the little, dirty pond with a huge sign that says "MOB" on it. Very easy to find since it pops up everywhere on google searches! Walk just a few steps up the trail and you will see clean, clear open water, the ocean in fact, no algae and pearls all over the place...just think outside the MOB agencies box...
quote from Eduard.
Ed what does MOB mean = In my lexicon it means Man over Board
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“… a 19 year old girl. I would also suggest that a young girl who is genuinely interested, in the long term and/or consistently, in relationships with much older men probably has issues of her own that cause her to seek out these relationships and I do not think that is always healthy for the man in the partnership.” Quote from Andrew.
Well that is seriously the truth. Having said that I have spoken with some young women who wanted a short term relationship.
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“You should shift your focus to the mistakes that you made so that you don't revisit them in the future.” Qoute from TomT. Almost spoken like a CT Yankee.
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“Ed, your Avatar is great. You look a little disheveled from chasing your daughters. Just wait until they are teenagers and are dating! I think you may go bald. I thank God everyday that I have four sons.” Quote from Boris.
Boris been there and done that – girls without question are an easier deal when they are teeners. Well at least if they are brought up intelligently. Though they tend to be more pricey.
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So my thoughts and feelings; Tainted, is emotionally infantile. Before he attempts another relationship he should find a therapist. It is obvious that he could read some points made
“The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn.”
Quote from Alvin Toffler
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So my thoughts and feelings; Tainted, is emotionally infantile. Before he attempts another relationship he should find a therapist. It is obvious that he could read some points made
I have to give credit where credit is due: he made a splendid choice of nicknames. It's a a pity that he didn't hang around; he might have been able to learn a thing or two.