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Gunmen kill 40 in attack at concert hall near Moscow, state news agency says
MOSCOW, March 22 (Reuters) - At least 40 people were killed and more
than 100 injured when five gunmen dressed in camouflage opened fire
with automatic weapons at people at a concert in the Crocus City Hall
near Moscow, in one of the worst such attacks on Russia in years.
Flames leapt into the sky and plumes of black smoke rose above the venue,
Reuters pictures and video showed.
Russian media reported a second blast at the venue and there were reports
that some of the gunmen had barricaded themselves somewhere in the
building.
read all about it here
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/shooting-blast-reported-concert-hall-near-moscow-agencies-2024-03-22/
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Death toll from concert hall terrorist attack rises to 133
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MOSCOW, March 23. /TASS/. The death toll from the terrorist attack at the Crocus City Hall music venue near Moscow has climbed to 133 people, the Russian Investigative Committee told TASS.
"As the rubble was being removed in the concert hall of the Crocus City Hall, the number of people killed in the terrorist attack has risen to 133. The search operation is underway," the statement said.
https://tass.com/emergencies/1764837
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Putin declares March 24 day of nationwide mourning
NOVO-OGARYOVO, March 23. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin has declared March 24 a day of nationwide mourning after the terrorist attack at the Crocus City Hall mall.
https://tass.com/emergencies/1764787
Intel agencies detain 11 people involved in Crocus City Hall attack — FSB
MOSCOW, March 23. /TASS/. Intelligence agencies have detained 11 people, including four terrorists, who were directly involved in an attack on the Crocus City Hall, Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB) said in a statement.
"The activities of intelligence and law enforcement agencies have resulted in the detention of 11 people, including four terrorists, who directly participated in the terrorist attack on the Crocus City Hall," the statement reads.
https://tass.com/emergencies/1764663
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It appears Terrorist from Afghanistan are back.
Islamic State-Khorasan, known as ISIS-K, took credit for a deadly attack in Moscow that killed at least 133 people, leading to the arrest of 11 suspects — four of whom were directly involved with the attack. Russian President Vladimir Putin addressed the nation in a television broadcast about the "bloody, barbaric terrorist act" and declared March 24 a day of mourning.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-ghost-of-russia-s-past-wars-comes-back-to-haunt-moscow/ar-BB1kptKB?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=af4f2263f4df4c01a92ca0c378d4168a&ei=50
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It appears Terrorist from Afghanistan are back.
Russia is claiming that Ukraine was involved. All the Russian sycophants
here will be backing that claim in the next posts. BUT they can waive away
any Russian involvement in any action Russia has ever been accused of.
My comments (sarcasm font)
Russia killed all the Nazi's in Ukraine so now they joined up with ISIS
to fill the void.
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It appears Terrorist from Afghanistan are back.
Russia is claiming that Ukraine was involved. All the Russian sycophants
here will be backing that claim in the next posts. BUT they can waive away
any Russian involvement in any action Russia has ever been accused of.
My comments (sarcasm font)
Russia killed all the Nazi's in Ukraine so now they joined up with ISIS
to fill the void.
There's a couple of huge red flags in my book that don't add up.
You can call it being pro-russia, but I'm just calling it pro-thinker.
- Suspects were seen and apprehended driving towards Ukraine, not their home country
- Isis had been quiet, why start terror now on a country activly in war and not with them
- How is any of this benefitting IS, since they claim to want a muslim-state. This will only send more muslims to the ukraine-meatgrinder.
- Ukraine vehemently denies involvment, just a little too over-the-top for my taste.
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Markje you really do not think. Putin was warned about the attacks three days before the attacks by the USA. He did not believe it. He claimed USA propaganda! Then after wards he blames Ukraine. In the end he captures all the people involved and nothing about Ukraine. ISIS takes credit for the attacks. Just when you read Russian propaganda you miss so much of what is really happening.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-dismissed-us-warnings-about-a-potential-terror-incident-as-blackmail-just-3-days-before-concert-hall-attack/ar-BB1knpXu?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=657b2be9f6714fddb3e9dbe269af8b11&ei=77
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Basically this attacks are being used to convince Russians to accept another wave of mobilization or justifying of the war, so Moscow has every reason to blame Ukraine, but Ukraine had no reason to do this attack as it is not in their interest. They want to bomb oil refinery, air bases, munition factories, train bridges and things like that to keep Russia from being able to send supplies to the front. Bombing a concert hall only turns the Russian public more against them and makes the war harder to win. Russia has admitted that they have stopped a number of these attacked from ISIS k recently. So now they are making that these people were heading to Ukraine to imply the government of Ukraine was involved which is about the most stupid place to go if you are really trying to escape Russian law enforcement. The Ukraine border is the most law enforced area in all of Russia. But do not let any real logic get in the way of good propaganda story every Ukraine hater wants to see.
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Hillary did it.
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There's a couple of huge red flags in my book that don't add up.
1. You can call it being pro-russia, but I'm just calling it pro-thinker.
- 2.Suspects were seen and apprehended driving towards Ukraine, not their home country
- 3. Isis had been quiet, why start terror now on a country activly in war and not with them
- 4. How is any of this benefitting IS, since they claim to want a muslim-state. This will only send more muslims to the ukraine-meatgrinder.
- 5. Ukraine vehemently denies involvment, just a little too over-the-top for my taste.
NOTE: I added numbers in Markje's post to make it easier to tie my rebuttals
to his arguments.
1. I didn't say Pro-Russia, I said sycophants. If there is one example on
the forum where you or one of the others admitted Russia lied, killed,
shot something down, or was guilty, etc. then I will change sycophants
to Pro-Russian in future posts. Until then, sycophants is more accurate.
2. Islamic State Khorasan* (ISIS-K) is from Afghanistan it's 3,500 km
away if you draw a straight line on a map. Look at a map, tell me how to get to Afghanistan from Moscow. You can't get there from there. They had to get out
of Moscow. That's was their plan. They mostly got caught, their plan sucked.
More will get swept up as the investigations continue.
3. ISIS terrorism is quiet until it isn't. 9-11 was a huge shock too.
4. This one needs rewritten. I don't get the link from a terror cell to
fighting on the ground against a real army. Terrorism is antithetical
to fighting real armies on the ground
5. Ukraine denies helping, that's suspicious? If you asked if Canada
helped, they would vehemently deny involvement.
Ask Russia if they were involved in the death of the Polish president
Lech Kaczyński. They vehemently denied involvement. According to
your reasoning that just a little too over-the-top for your taste.
*ISIS-K is the Islamic State branch that has most consistently and energetically attempted terrorist attacks across Europe, including in Russia.
ISIS-K has planned some 21 attacks in nine countries in the past year, up
from eight the previous year.
European authorities have arrested ISIS-K operatives on multiple occasions. After years of warnings that Islamic State was rebuilding the capacity and resolve to resume an international terrorist campaign.
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ISIS-K: Brutal IS branch behind Moscow attack
ISIS-K claimed a January 3 bombing that killed 95 people in Kerman, Iran. US officials said they had warned their Iranian counterpart ahead of the attack, as they say they did before the Moscow shooting.
In March, US intelligence officials indicated that ISIS-K had an active presence
in Russia — with plans to orchestrate attacks in Moscow. Russia's FSB
security service claimed that it prevented an armed attack by ISIS-K
on a synagogue in the Kaluga region near Moscow on March 7.
Russian airstrikes on behalf of President Bashar al-Assad on IS positions
changed the course of Syria's civil war. Many ISIS leaders have since
condemned Putin as a leader who has the blood of Muslims on his hands.
ISIS-K propaganda also refers to the history of Soviet intervention in
Afghanistan.
There is a lot more read all about it here
https://www.dw.com/en/isis-k-which-claimed-moscow-attack-is-a-brutal-is-branch/a-68653285
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What is ISIS-K, the group that claims it carried out the Moscow concert attack?
The group has sought to distinguish itself among jihadi fighters by adopting
a radical Islamic worldview more militant and uncompromising than its rivals,
including al-Qaida and the Taliban.
But ISIS-K is fighting or has declared hostilities against Al Qaeda, China,
Iran, Pakistan, Russia, Syria, the Taliban and the United States.
ISIS-K has "shown they can take on major powers and survive," Byman
said. "They get support and financial contributions from wealthy
individuals in the Islamic world."
Above is just a few excerpts read the entire article by clicking on the link
https://www.npr.org/2024/03/24/1240488528/isis-k-moscow-concert-attack-explained
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Hillary did it.
No way, she hit the reset button and solved all the problems between
the US and Russia, worked brilliantly as usual.
(https://www.politico.com/dims4/default/8e64798/2147483647/strip/true/crop/297x223+0+0/resize/1260x946!/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fs3-origin-images.politico.com%2Fnews%2F090306_clinton_297.jpg)
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2. Islamic State Khorasan* (ISIS-K) is from Afghanistan it's 3,500 km
away if you draw a straight line on a map. Look at a map, tell me how to get to Afghanistan from Moscow. You can't get there from there. They had to get out
of Moscow. That's was their plan. They mostly got caught, their plan sucked.
More will get swept up as the investigations continue.
The most obvious route being through Kazakhstan, tadjikistan (which is where they got passports) and then onwards.
Considering that Kazakhstan is not much further than Ukraine from moscow, and getting across borders is much easier when there isn't, you know, an active warzone there.....
3. ISIS terrorism is quiet until it isn't. 9-11 was a huge shock too.
To the USA the only shock was that it was on USA-territory, there had been numerous attacks inside afghanistan/syria/libya/et.al. for years before that.
4. This one needs rewritten. I don't get the link from a terror cell to
fighting on the ground against a real army. Terrorism is antithetical
to fighting real armies on the ground
Yeah me neither, which is why its suspicious to me.
5. Ukraine denies helping, that's suspicious? If you asked if Canada
helped, they would vehemently deny involvement.
No they'd scoff and say 'of course we aren't' ..... vehemently denying something, reeks of something else, especially that quickly. Now if this was the only point, it would be less of a red-flag, but together with the rest? dunno.
Ask Russia if they were involved in the death of the Polish president
Lech Kaczyński. They vehemently denied involvement. According to
your reasoning that just a little too over-the-top for your taste.
They didn't. They denied it normally AND started an investigation AND found the real problem.
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The most obvious route being through Kazakhstan, tadjikistan (which is where they got passports) and then onwards.
Considering that Kazakhstan is not much further than Ukraine from moscow, and getting across borders is much easier when there isn't, you know, an active warzone there.....
Show me any link or proof that the terrorist were not caught in or around
Moscow. My wife showed me a video (yesterday) of one terrorist being
interrogated with his hands secured behind his back. He was wearing a
wet T-shirt and shivering. He was near the Concert Hall.
The news yesterday (my yesterday when I started posting about this) said
that the terrorists tried to hide.
I am sure none of these terrorists were captured a mile from the Russian/Ukraine border. Where is the border by the way? (East or West of Dolhobyczow).
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Yeah me neither, which is why its suspicious to me.
Then why do you believe that a terror cell
1. Wanted to cross a warzone where both sides would have killed them.
2. Would, Could and Had contacted ANY Ukrainian State official
3. Why any official in Ukraine would trust them.
4. Why they would trust any official in Ukraine
5. Why would a Muslim terrorist organization interact with Non-Muslims for their
escape plan.
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They didn't. They denied it normally AND started an investigation AND found the real problem.
Did both the Ukrainians and Russians deny it to you? That's how you know
one of them did it normally and the other was vehemently?
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Show me any link or proof that the terrorist were not caught in or around
Moscow.
O, because you ask nicely.
https://meduza.io/en/news/2024/03/23/meduza-geolocates-arrest-video-of-moscow-terrorism-suspect-to-town-85-miles-from-ukrainian-border
https://twitter.com/auditor_ya/status/1771544294194553282
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O, because you ask nicely.
Thank you for that.
There is another possibility. Gomel is not too far away and they have
trains and an airport. Gomel is closer than Kiev which has trains but
no flights. They didn't need to cross a warzone where they could get
killed by both sides.
In my opinion, they were always going to get caught or killed. The exit
plan looks improbable at best. A terrorist trying to operate in the FSB's
backyard isn't going to get away. They have real tech, they don't
need search warrants and this is what they (the FSB) is designed to do.
Right now all of the living terrorists are upside down hanging by their
ankles getting the firehose and electrodes (as they should) until they
catch every accomplice and round up anyone who gave them a single
kopeck.
In the end they will find that Ukraine has no connection, but they will
never say it publicly. It's better to paint Ukraine as a harbor for Nazi's
and terrorists.
They would have been rounded up wherever they were fleeing to.
Moscow is too far from a border to get away. The Chechen guards
caught the terrorist that made it out of Moscow.
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I don't know how much credibility to give the articles below.
US had warned Russia ISIS was determined to attack
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/23/europe/us-had-warned-russia-isis-was-determined-to-attack-intl-hnk/index.html
U.S. Warned Russia Before Moscow Attack
https://www.wsj.com/world/russia/russia-moscow-concert-hall-shooting-attack-1a009cc4
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I don't know how much credibility to give the articles below.
US had warned Russia ISIS was determined to attack
https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/23/europe/us-had-warned-russia-isis-was-determined-to-attack-intl-hnk/index.html
U.S. Warned Russia Before Moscow Attack
https://www.wsj.com/world/russia/russia-moscow-concert-hall-shooting-attack-1a009cc4
They are credible, I received an e-mail from the US embassy a few weeks ago telling Americans that terrorists were plotting something and to stay away from big crowds. I can only assume they told the Russians.
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Show me any link or proof that the terrorist were not caught in or around
Moscow.
Whoever they arrested, how, where and when is under RU control. Grab some random person off the street, cut off their ear and make them eat it and they'll probably tell you anything you want to know. You will know only what FSB wants you to know.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/03/23/russian-state-media-release-interrogation-videos-of-concert-attack-suspects-a84592
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When you look at the response time by the local police it almost looks like someone inside Russian government was making sure the attack was as bad as possible. Eleven people were arrested but we only know about the four who carried out the attack. I wonder who the other people were. No one was trying to put out the fire for almost an hour and a half. No one even called the police for over twenty minutes after the attack started. Then the responders were slow to get there like another 25 minutes. After that there were more delays before anyone was getting any kind of help. Maybe this is normal in Russia.
Then to say they were on their way to Ukraine when they were as close to Belarus even according to Russian propaganda news. It would be easier to cross the border into Ukraine from Belarus than from Russia, but it does not make as good of press. Almost any border is easier to cross than the Russian Ukraine border. The Belarus border would be hard to cross also just not quite as bad as Russian to Ukraine.
This is all being built up so the public in Russia will not be too upset about mobilizing more solders for the summer offensive Russia wants to have. In all likelihood this summer Ukraine will receive a new batch of weapons and Russia will have a new batch of conscripts. Then the next blood bath will begin.
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Then the responders were slow to get there like another 25 minutes. After that there were more delays before anyone was getting any kind of help. Maybe this is normal in Russia.
And apparently, In America.
9-11 From the wikipedia page:
8:46:40:[a] Flight 11 crashes almost directly midway into the North Tower's central core at roughly 440 miles per hour (710 km/h; 200 m/s; 380 kn),[24] striking the center of the north face between floors 93 and 99.
9:24-9:38 (approximately): Three people either try to climb down or fall from a 79th floor window, 79-351, on the southern end of the South Tower's east face close to the southeast corner.[77] One lands on firefighter Danny Suhr as he prepares to enter the South Tower, killing them both.[78]
So almost 45 minutes and they're still preparing to go into the skyscraper.
And at that time, it was simply an airplane-wrong, it wasn't yet classified as a terrorist attack whilst the moscow theatre had active gunmen inside.
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This post (https://t.me/warfakes/21327), translated and reposted by the First Deputy Permanent Representative of Russia to the UN, Dmitry Polyanskiy, outlines what they know up to now:
Fake: Ukraine is not involved in the terrorist attack at "Crocus City Hall", it was organized by the "Islamic State". This is stated by the leadership of Ukraine with reference to a video from the terrorists' phone.
Truth: As we have already written, the publication of a video on resources associated with ISIS does not prove the group's involvement in the explosion. For example, in 2017, ISIS claimed responsibility for the explosion at a storage locker in the "Perekrestok" store in St. Petersburg. It turned out that the explosion was carried out by the recognized mentally ill Dmitry Lukyanenko, not connected to Islamists. The publication of such material is very advantageous for the radicals for propaganda purposes.
The faces of the terrorists are blurred in the video. This is atypical for radicals. There are signs that the sound is overlaid: for example, at 8 seconds, the sound of a firearm bolt is heard, but the shooter's fingers remain still. It is likely that capturing the terrorists alive was not part of the organizers' plans.
Numerous previous terrorist attacks, which were indeed carried out by ISIS militants and other radical Islamists, show that death during such actions is the highest reward for fanatics. However, the terrorists who attacked "Crocus" were seeking to survive, so they left the concert hall. This helped the Russian special services to capture them alive.
In the published video, one of the terrorists does speak. However, in other videos from witnesses, militants shoot people silently or exchange short phrases in Tajik for coordination. Surviving witnesses of the attack also do not mention that the militants constantly made speeches. Finally, one of the detainees admitted that he participated in the attack for monetary reward, not ideological reasons. Money has never been the main motivation for terrorists. Additionally, the actions of allegedly radical Muslims contradict the canons of Islam. In particular, the left hand is considered unclean for true Muslims, and it is forbidden to point with it towards Allah. In the video, the terrorists make the gesture with the left hand.
The terrorists were heading towards the border with Ukraine because that was where they were provided passage. However, for radical Islamists, it would have been more logical to leave Russia at the border with Kazakhstan – it is longer and less guarded.
The organizers of the terrorist attack, who are behind the mass murder at "Crocus", benefit greatly from linking the perpetrators to ISIS and completely disavowing any connection to Ukraine. This will exacerbate inter-ethnic strife in Russia and contribute to its weakening as a state. Such a situation is a dream for the Ukrainian military intelligence. However, the facts show that Ukraine is at least involved, and possibly the main instigator of the tragedy”
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My view: it's clearly got Ukrainian fingerprints all over it, or perhaps more accurately, their handlers, the US. The warning put out by Blinken beforehand tells us they knew all about it ahead of time. Well, like Northstream, of course they did.
The operation itself is said to have been planned by the Ukrainian SBU via their embassy in Tajikistan. Accordingly, the "secret" SBU base in Kiev was obliterated overnight.
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Fake: Ukraine is not involved in the terrorist attack at "Crocus City Hall", it was organized by the "Islamic State". This is stated by the leadership of Ukraine with reference to a video from the terrorists' phone.
Why is this even a case of speculation? Whats good for the goose…of course Ukraine is all over this. More than likely with western thrusts.
Truth
Methinks to have something happen and get Russia get its eye off the ball is a wonderful thing. A little side tragedy can certainly help. Bailout aid is moving like molasses in January.
ISIS-K is ‘responsible’! LMAO! Sure. And Biden/Harris is the greatest POTUS/VPOTUS we ever had.
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1. When you look at the response time by the local police it almost looks like someone inside Russian government was making sure the attack was as bad as possible. 2. Eleven people were arrested but we only know about the four who carried out the attack. 3. I wonder who the other people were.
1. The official salary of a Moscow policeman is 1105576 RUB per year. That's
$11,918.11 dollars. I wonder what the training budget is?
2. There were many people involved to carry out this event. You had four with
guns killing people. They didn't bring the guns inside their carryon luggage.
3. There were drivers, helpers, people who supplied radios, bullets, getaway
cars, somebody fed and housed them leading up to the event.
Every single one of these guys when captured can help paint a picture, and
help sweep up everyone involved.
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ISIS-K is ‘responsible’! LMAO! Sure.
I don't always get your point, apart from Kamala not teaching physics at MIT
this year.
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Russia says it neutralized ISIS cell plotting attack on Moscow synagogue
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-it-neutralized-isis-cell-plotting-attack-moscow-synagogue-2024-03-07/
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Fake:
Truth:
No matter what name one applies, it's all simple speculation.
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What happened to terrorist before the appeared in court is now being used by IS-k to recruit the next wave of terrorist. This was not smart.
Defendants before and as they appeared in court in Russia.
The images shared online were gruesome. One had his ear sliced off and was forced to eat it. A second had electric shocks applied as he lay on the ground. Another was beaten so badly his eye seemed to bulge out when he appeared in court.
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Defendants before and as they appeared in court in Russia.
(https://english.pravda.ru/image/preview/article/2/3/0/159230_five.jpeg)
At least two of the terrorist plead guilty at court
From Snippets from Pravda
"two defendants received instructions for the attack while in Turkey, the other two were brought in already on the Russian territory."
Muhammadsobir Fayzov, was taken to court on a gurney while wearing a medical gown. Previously, he worked as a barber in the city Ivanovo, where he was registered.
See more at https://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/159230-cross-city-hall-terrorists/
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absolutely horrible what happened. my friends in Moscow are on edge, don't want to go out.
The suspects got off light so far. That last guy looks like he's about to go in a coma or die. all for what...a few bucks and some fake glory.
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yea the more Russia beats them then publishes their pictures the more terrorist will come. Way to go. It is completely not understanding how IS-k members think. Belarus says terrorist were not on way to Ukraine but to Belarus.
Belarus dictator destroys Putin's claim Ukraine was behind ISIS attack
Belarus' strongman dictator Alexander Lukashenko has seemingly undermined Russia 's claims that Ukraine was behind the deadly Moscow massacre, after revealing the four terrorists tried fleeing to Belarus, not Ukraine.
He said: 'There was no way they could enter Belarus. They saw that. That's why they turned away and went to the section of the Ukrainian-Russian border.' While terror group ISIS has claimed responsibility for the massacre several times, Russia has not fully acknowledged this and officials have chosen to blame Ukraine and the West for the attack.
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Belarus dictator destroys Putin's claim Ukraine was behind ISIS attack
Do you have a link, that was my speculation a half dozen posts ago
[Edit to add] I found some
To read it in Russian
https://belta.by/
Lukashenko about terrorist attack in Moscow Oblast
https://eng.belta.by/video/getRecord/1860/
Belarusian leader contradicts Putin's claim of terrorists "fleeing to Ukraine"
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/03/26/7448224/
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Truth: As we have already written, the publication of a video on resources associated with ISIS does not prove the group's involvement in the explosion. For example, in 2017, ISIS claimed responsibility for the explosion at a storage locker in the "Perekrestok" store in St. Petersburg. It turned out that the explosion was carried out by the recognized mentally ill Dmitry Lukyanenko, not connected to Islamists. The publication of such material is very advantageous for the radicals for propaganda purposes.
The Ukrainian trial balloon didn't work, now it's the USA that was involved.
US risks being suspected of involvement in Crocus City
Hall terror attack — SVR
https://tass.com/politics/1768751
Moscow Terror Attack | Russian FSB says US, UK and Ukraine behind
Moscow attack | What's the truth?
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Ukraine and the US are one and the same. Ukraine is a client state of the US.
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The CIA, NSA etc have Duty to Warn policies.
https://knightcolumbia.org/reading-room/duty-to-warn
Washington Post reported that this policy was used when reporting a terrorist threat at the Crocus concert hall several weeks before the attack. It seems the location information was specific, but the planned attack date was inaccurate.
More than two weeks before terrorists staged a bloody attack in the suburbs of Moscow, the U.S. government told Russian officials that Crocus City Hall, a popular concert venue, was a potential target, according to U.S. officials familiar with the matter.
The high degree of specificity conveyed in the warning underscores Washington’s confidence that the Islamic State was preparing an attack that threatened large numbers of civilians, and it directly contradicts Moscow’s claims that the U.S. warnings were too general to help preempt the assault.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/04/02/us-warning-russia-isis-crocus/
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Ukraine and the US are one and the same. Ukraine is a client state of the US.
WOW!!! You really believe anything in Russian propaganda. Now you believe that Ukraine is the 51 first state. Arms to Ukraine for the most part of been cut off from the USA since November. Europeans are crapping all over themselves as they might have to really do something. Now you call Ukraine as part of the USA. I doubt if we would have the same problem with weapons if Russia invaded California even though many of us here would like to see California to not be part of the USA. Hell, no matter how hard we try we cannot get nasty old Ukraine to stop bombing Russian refineries and driving the gasoline prices higher worldwide. I am sure you believe Russia is at war with NATO because we send them a few outdated weapons and Russia cannot even cope with those. Earth to Manny, Earth to Manny ... It is time for your return.
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WOW!!! You really believe anything in Russian propaganda. Now you believe that Ukraine is the 51 first state. Arms to Ukraine for the most part of been cut off from the USA since November. Europeans are crapping all over themselves as they might have to really do something.
Man, you really are a simpleton.
https://www.joint-forces.com/world-news/51646-dutch-weapons-sent-to-ukraine
That was in 2022.
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Iran alerted Russia to security threat before Moscow attack
https://www.reuters.com/world/iran-alerted-russia-security-threat-before-moscow-attack-sources-say-2024-04-01/
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Now you believe that Ukraine is the 51 first state.
Not officially Tex, obviously, but in reality.......
Europeans are crapping all over themselves as they might have to really do something.
Ahh facts continue to be your undoing, always making you look stupid.
https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-humanitarian-and-financial-aid-donors/
As of February 23rd 2024, the EU has to date, given Ukraine 85 billion euros in funding. The US 67.7 billion. The US has been the largest military aid donor but without financial and humanitarian, there is no Ukraine to fight Russia on our behalf. But yea stay on planet Tex and continue the fantasy.
Now you call Ukraine as part of the USA.
2014 coup d'état with the US directly involved in hand picking the government, arming and training both the military and Ukraines fascist nazi groups like Azov to attack ethnic Russians in the East. And today, 100's of billions in weapons and aid being pumped into the country to keep the lights on and the meat grinder turning. Intelligence, training and foreign soldiers are the only thing keeping the US and the West from being officially at war with Russia.
I am sure you believe Russia is at war with NATO because we send them a few outdated weapons and Russia cannot even cope with those.
If you genuinely believe that then god help your mouth breathing soul.
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Now you believe that Ukraine is the 51 first state.
Not officially Tex, obviously, but in reality.......
Now you call Ukraine as part of the USA.
2014 coup d'état with the US directly involved in hand picking the government, arming and training both the military and Ukraines fascist nazi groups like Azov to attack ethnic Russians in the East. And today, 100's of billions in weapons and aid being pumped into the country to keep the lights on and the meat grinder turning. Intelligence, training and foreign soldiers are the only thing keeping the US and the West from being officially at war with Russia.
By your flawed logic, Russia invaded a US state and is helping the citizens of that state defend themselves. The National Guard and other armed forces have not been called in yet.
Yet you still complain Rosco? Can't have your cake and eat it too...
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Now you believe that Ukraine is the 51 first state.
Not officially Tex, obviously, but in reality.......
Now you call Ukraine as part of the USA.
2014 coup d'état with the US directly involved in hand picking the government, arming and training both the military and Ukraines fascist nazi groups like Azov to attack ethnic Russians in the East. And today, 100's of billions in weapons and aid being pumped into the country to keep the lights on and the meat grinder turning. Intelligence, training and foreign soldiers are the only thing keeping the US and the West from being officially at war with Russia.
By your flawed logic, Russia invaded a US state and is helping the citizens of that state defend themselves. The National Guard and other armed forces have not been called in yet.
Yet you still complain Rosco? Can't have your cake and eat it too...
You do understand what was meant, when I said not officially.....but in reality? I appreciate that you're trying to make yourself look smart but attention to detail is key.
You and Tex are one in the same.
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or perhaps more accurately, their handlers, the US. The warning put out by Blinken beforehand tells us they knew all about it ahead of time. Well, like Northstream, of course they did.
The operation itself is said to have been planned by the Ukrainian SBU via their embassy in Tajikistan. Accordingly, the "secret" SBU base in Kiev was obliterated overnight.
Not officially Tex, obviously, but in reality.......
If the USA asked Ukraine to help with something against Russia
I think that they would try to help.
Belarus/Lukashenko is a client state of Russia. He wouldn't contradict the
Official Russian State story.
The FSB would never had mentioned Ukraine for entire days if the USA was involved. They would have
lead with that. An attack in Moscow on Russian citizens is an act of war.
1. The USA would have never trusted an ISIS cell and
2. The ISIS cell would have never trusted the USA.
3. ISIS would have stabbed the USA in the back at the first opportunity.
4. ISIS hates the USA more than Russia (by a lot)
5. The terrorist would be on camera's talking about their pay/help from the
USA and it
5. would have been played 9 thousand times on TV worldwide by now. Manny
and Roscoe would have led with that.
6. The USA would have paid the terrorists real money not a couple hundred each.
7. Belarus/Lukashenko would have followed the official Russian story word for word
8. The FSB would never had mentioned Ukraine for entire days if the USA was involved. They would have lead with that.
9. The terrorists caught have no more secrets, the FSB knows everything.
10. The story that the USA was involved with ISIS to attack Russia is not
believable. Nobody honestly believes it.
11. This was a suicide mission, there is no way for secret agents to travel to
Moscow and then escape by car.
12. The FSB is not a bunch of idiots with 3rd world tech.
13. Some of the terrorists are from Dumpsk Fookistan. They don't have
suicide bombers pledging to the USA.
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If the USA asked Ukraine to help with something against Russia
I think that they would try to help.
3rd world tech.
13. Some of the terrorists are from Dumpsk Fookistan. They don't have
suicide bombers pledging to the USA.
14. If the USA and Ukraine got together, some Russian general or
military/oil target would be hit not a bunch of civilians.
You always ask us why when Russia is involved. Ask yourselves why
would the US or Ukraine machinegun down, then burn alive a bunch
of civilians.
There is no reason, no advantage. Don't bring up this point next time
when Russia is accused of doing something in the future, unless you
are able to do the same when you accuse the USA of something.
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The Russians released a statement today that says they have traced funding relating to the Crocus terrorist attack, and it goes back to Burisma Holdings (https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/features/burisma-impeachment-trump/). The shady Kiev-based but Cyprus-registered outfit that once "employed" Hunter Biden. The firm is owned by a shady Ukrainian who is an SVR asset who is reputed to have bribed both Bidens (https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2023/06/12/exclusive-burisma-founder-mykola-zlochevsky-who-allegedly-bribed-joe-and-hunter-biden-is-an-svr-asset-n760320).
So if that is true, it's clear the Ukrainians were behind it. If at the behest of the US, we may never know. But Ukraine and the US are one and the same anyway really. The latter being the hand that rocks the cradle.
Tex will be along in a minute with an MSN link that says "But.... ISIS".
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Ask yourselves why would the US or Ukraine machinegun down, then burn alive a bunch
of civilians.
Yes, why would they?
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2014-008919_EN.html
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Ask yourselves why would the US or Ukraine machinegun down, then burn alive a bunch
of civilians.
Yes, why would they?
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2014-008919_EN.html
Yea there's no track record of the US/CIA doing anything like that. It has to be a false flag and Putin killed his own people to keep his war machine rolling on....... (:)
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The Russians released a statement today that says they have traced funding relating to the Crocus terrorist attack, and it goes back to Burisma Holdings (https://www.nsenergybusiness.com/features/burisma-impeachment-trump/). The shady Kiev-based but Cyprus-registered outfit that once "employed" Hunter Biden. The firm is owned by a shady Ukrainian who is an SVR asset who is reputed to have bribed both Bidens (https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2023/06/12/exclusive-burisma-founder-mykola-zlochevsky-who-allegedly-bribed-joe-and-hunter-biden-is-an-svr-asset-n760320).
So if that is true, it's clear the Ukrainians were behind it. If at the behest of the US, we may never know. But Ukraine and the US are one and the same anyway really. The latter being the hand that rocks the cradle.
Tex will be along in a minute with an MSN link that says "But.... ISIS".
To call Burisma shady would be akin to calling the Clinton/Biden families Black.
Though Burisma ceased to be active in June of 2022 and was dissolved on 16 February of 2023 by the Cypriot financial authorities.
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It has to be a false flag and Putin killed his own people to keep his war machine rolling on....... (:)
You either have proof or you don't...indeed, it's more likely that Putin was behind the 1999 Russian apartment bombings than the USA arranged for some wacko Muzzies to blow shit up in Moscow.
B/B