Many of the older members of this forum are married and they are not up-to-date with the current trends. They are very biased and they always take it personally when someone dares to criticise the FSUW. Some guys here are directly involved in the dating industry (they own sites or agencies) and they do not allow any criticism. That renders a productive debate impossible.
Of course, there are many good women in the FSU. But the best ones ussualy don't waste time on dating sites 24/7. Sadly we will never meet them. They do something useful in their lifes (work, study, sports, arts etc.). Many of them are in love with their local boyfriends or are happily married. Or they pursue careers or they take care of children (if they are single mothers).
Many of the older members of this forum are married and they are not up-to-date with the current trends. They are very biased and they always take it personally when someone dares to criticise the FSUW. Some guys here are directly involved in the dating industry (they own sites or agencies) and they do not allow any criticism. That renders a productive debate impossible.
The older married members know better than you that the FSU has produced the bitchiest, most insufferable girls that mankind has ever seen. Moreover, you don't know shit about whom we are likely to defend or to criticize. If a productive debate is impossible, it's because you presume to tell us what our attitude is.
Many of the older members of this forum are married and they are not up-to-date with the current trends. They are very biased and they always take it personally when someone dares to criticise the FSUW. Some guys here are directly involved in the dating industry (they own sites or agencies) and they do not allow any criticism. That renders a productive debate impossible.
The older married members know better than you that the FSU has produced the bitchiest, most insufferable girls that mankind has ever seen. Moreover, you don't know shit about whom we are likely to defend or to criticize. If a productive debate is impossible, it's because you presume to tell us what our attitude is.
To the rest of your post, you are basically saying that most young girls are out having fun , perhaps partying and not serious, regardless where you find them in the world.
That seems pretty normal to me.
However, try and remember that the vast majority of images you posted where put up originally as jokes.
And a great many RW ,of any age, view them that way,as humorous, not as some call to a way to live their life.
So to the OP, it might just be a case of the demographic you are searching in rather than some tectonic shift in the mentality of women in the FSU? :)
I always make correct predictions.
And strangely, I had more success with much younger women than with those close to my age. Age means sh.., it's the soul, the heart and the upbringing that matters.
Now I'm not searching . I sit on some dating sites just to kill time and to troll. If the girls are not serious, then why should I bother?
If some girl wants to make 'cosy home' with me, then she can buy herself a flight ticket and visit me. And she must give me sexy time. And buy me things and iphones. I don't want to go to any Middle-of-nowhere-insk again. Been there many times, I'm sick of it.
I'd change my mind only if i find someone really really special, but I don't think it's worth it.
So to the OP, it might just be a case of the demographic you are searching in rather than some tectonic shift in the mentality of women in the FSU? :)
Longing you would be better served to be honest with, at the very least, yourself. There is no crime in being attracted to younger women. There is no crime in chasing younger women. But younger people, when speaking of late teens early twenties, by definition are less experienced and in most cases,IMO, immature. If you claim to be looking for a mature relationship than why focus in that age range. You present yourself as an intelligent guy so this doesn't add up. There is something amiss.
Three years ago you presented the same argument. Three years on you have arrived at the same location. Three years past you claimed the issue was not within. The problem is not the ladies who inhabit the rest of the world. Something you are doing, looking for, expecting or radiating is broken.
You say you had more success with younger ladies. How do you define success?
So to the OP, it might just be a case of the demographic you are searching in rather than some tectonic shift in the mentality of women in the FSU? :)
Yes, there are TECTONIC SHIFTS in the FSU. Mid class emerged, people own iphones, plasmas and decent cars, they spend holidays in Turkey, Egypt, UAE and some in the Seychelles, Goa and Thailand. Women become independent, westernized and career oriented. They have russian versions of "Cosmopolitan" and "Sex & the City". Even poor smalltown girls want to immitate this.
Years ago, most FSUW didn't have internet or used dial up, they had to scan photos, cause they didn't have digital cameras. We were writing long messages. Now its all smartphones and oneliners. All these changes are influencing the young FSUW in a negative way.
Longing you would be better served to be honest with, at the very least, yourself. There is no crime in being attracted to younger women. There is no crime in chasing younger women. But younger people, when speaking of late teens early twenties, by definition are less experienced and in most cases,IMO, immature. If you claim to be looking for a mature relationship than why focus in that age range. You present yourself as an intelligent guy so this doesn't add up. There is something amiss.
Three years ago you presented the same argument. Three years on you have arrived at the same location. Three years past you claimed the issue was not within. The problem is not the ladies who inhabit the rest of the world. Something you are doing, looking for, expecting or radiating is broken.
You say you had more success with younger ladies. How do you define success?
Why you guys defocus from the subject and always blame the OP? It's like: all FSUW are saintesses and there must be "something wrong with the guy".
Let's be grown up: a huge percent of FSUW are not serious. They are not SO different than the WW, they are not all family oriented, they are not all SO sophisticated, they easily fall for stupid trends, they are not interested in foreigners, they have local choices, they cheat, they fart. It's not a blasphemy to admit this.
Sure there are exceptions! Girls who read Turgenev, who like museums and cinema classics such as "Ирония судьбы". I told you that I had a girl, who was in her late teens and who was like this.
But that does not mean that I necesaraly chase teenagers. You took that out of context. I do not choose by age. If I like the photo, I write. I like when the profile contains something inspirational.
But most of the profiles are empty, cause their owners don't give a sh. They are already taken anyway. VK.ru is your friend.
4 years of relationship (which nearly ended with a marriage) plus many shorter relationships with beautiful and smart young FSUW. Is that success or not? I guess it is something.
I don't have a problem if they have fun, I have a problem with:
- The dating industry, that misguided WM and made lots of $$$ by selling them myths or half-truths
- The timewasters on the dating sites. If they don't want anything serious, fine. They should get the f. off those sites. They can go to their local gopnik boyfriends and f. each other.
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What if I upload porn or nazi swastikas in my VK just for a "joke"? What would people think about me?
And you are underestimating the problem. Someone is investing good money in this "joke". There's a whole industry of music videos, movies and books that promote this bitch trend. Milions of young women want to immitate this. For example, do you know how many girls suffer from bulimia because of some stupid fashion trends? How can you underestimate the influence of the media? You are not that naive.
Perhaps in the US it also started as a "joke", but now there are milions of divorced men, who are looking for a bride overseas, because american bitches became immpossible to deal with. Maybe russian men will start do the same.
AJ, I have never used MOB agencies in my life. That's not for me. However I was reading their bullshit online. You know they have articles on their sites like: "why FSUW are superior to WW, they have the mysterious russian soul, they make borsch and babies".
And there are always fake testimonials, photos of blondes in bikinis, who "cannot find quality men". They post such crap to attract new customers, but I was never one of them. I have a well developed bullshit detector. I have never been scammed in my life.
What I used were honest dating sites. One was a pay site aimed at WM and the rest were all russian sites: Loveplanet, Mamba and social networks: VK, Odnoklassniki, Moy mir etc. I also met some FSU women without internet (e.g. on trains, planes, caffes etc.). I don't need wingmen, agencies or translators.
AJ, I have never used MOB agencies in my life. That's not for me. However I was reading their bullshit online. You know they have articles on their sites like: "why FSUW are superior to WW, they have the mysterious russian soul, they make borsch and babies".
And there are always fake testimonials, photos of blondes in bikinis, who "cannot find quality men". They post such crap to attract new customers, but I was never one of them. I have a well developed bullshit detector. I have never been scammed in my life.
What I used were honest dating sites. One was a pay site aimed at WM and the rest were all russian sites: Loveplanet, Mamba and social networks: VK, Odnoklassniki, Moy mir etc. I also met some FSU women without internet (e.g. on trains, planes, caffes etc.). I don't need wingmen, agencies or translators.
You need a reality check.
AJ, I have never used MOB agencies in my life. That's not for me. However I was reading their bullshit online. You know they have articles on their sites like: "why FSUW are superior to WW, they have the mysterious russian soul, they make borsch and babies".
And there are always fake testimonials, photos of blondes in bikinis, who "cannot find quality men". They post such crap to attract new customers, but I was never one of them. I have a well developed bullshit detector. I have never been scammed in my life.
What I used were honest dating sites. One was a pay site aimed at WM and the rest were all russian sites: Loveplanet, Mamba and social networks: VK, Odnoklassniki, Moy mir etc. I also met some FSU women without internet (e.g. on trains, planes, caffes etc.). I don't need wingmen, agencies or translators.
Just fixed a guy up with one of them a few weeks ago, they seem to have hit it off and continue dating.
the average RW is married and has a family.She likely is reasonable and hardly a bitch. More importantly, her unmarried friends are very much like her
Do you think your local new or used car dealer doesn't do the same?
Longing I focus on the OP because you are the one here posting. Not much I can do to assist nonexisting ladies whom seek advice/opinions on how they could be more successful in meeting men. Of course I am attempting to make an effort to assist you. I took the time and effort to read your previous posts before writing my response above.
Why you guys defocus from the subject and always blame the OP? It's like: all FSUW are saintesses and there must be "something wrong with the guy".
Let's be grown up: a huge percent of FSUW are not serious. They are not SO different than the WW, they are not all family oriented, they are not all SO sophisticated, they easily fall for stupid trends, they are not interested in foreigners, they have local choices, they cheat, they fart. It's not a blasphemy to admit this.
Sure there are exceptions! Girls who read Turgenev, who like museums and cinema classics such as "Ирония судьбы". I told you that I had a girl, who was in her late teens and who was like this.
But that does not mean that I necesaraly chase teenagers. You took that out of context. I do not choose by age. If I like the photo, I write. I like when the profile contains something inspirational.
But most of the profiles are empty, cause their owners don't give a sh. They are already taken anyway. VK.ru is your friend.
4 years of relationship (which nearly ended with a marriage) plus many shorter relationships with beautiful and smart young FSUW. Is that success or not? I guess it is something.This is the same relationship where you said you blew it three years ago. Are you still hung up on that girl? Don't take that as a flame. Obviously that was a special relationship for you but it's three years on mate. Are you looking at each girl and speaking of this relationship?
Welder, I'm not searching anymore. I just shared my opinion. It's well founded on experience and I'll not change it. Now I'm on dating sites just to kill time. Also, we have pretty girls in my country. We make sexy time with no strings attached, cause they are "independent".
I wanted to write a sort of "e-book". Not for the members, of course, but for newbies and guests. If you think this all sux, close this thread. I dunno who's the mod.
As he has pointed out several times the "old" timers here are out of touch-- funny how are few jumped straight into thread !!Really Jay? Where have the so called "old " timers been out of touch on this topic, specifically?
No-- it would not make me "happier" -- look at the way replies are framed. The OP has obviously gone to a lot of effort to write that post as a 'think' piece and in my view it is an interesting piece of work .His conclusions are attacked and dismissed-- by those same people the OP mentions. Do they feel threatened by others with knowledge? With those that reach conclusions>? There is no evidence that the OP was on the forum 15 years ago to get the benefit of the collective wisdom- so his views are contemporary.As he has pointed out several times the "old" timers here are out of touch-- funny how are few jumped straight into thread !!Really Jay? Where have the so called "old " timers been out of touch on this topic, specifically?
Longing presented an opinion which has been debated. If his opinion and conclusions are accurate they will withstand debate. Would it make you happier if everyone just rolls over an accepts everything written as gospel?
AJ, I have never used MOB agencies in my life. That's not for me. However I was reading their bullshit online. You know they have articles on their sites like: "why FSUW are superior to WW, they have the mysterious russian soul, they make borsch and babies".
And there are always fake testimonials, photos of blondes in bikinis, who "cannot find quality men". They post such crap to attract new customers, but I was never one of them. I have a well developed bullshit detector. I have never been scammed in my life.
What I used were honest dating sites. One was a pay site aimed at WM and the rest were all russian sites: Loveplanet, Mamba and social networks: VK, Odnoklassniki, Moy mir etc. I also met some FSU women without internet (e.g. on trains, planes, caffes etc.). I don't need wingmen, agencies or translators.
You need a reality check.
Why?
TomT , y r u so angry? It's futile, yes. So what? We're just talking. I wanted to write a sort of "e-book". Not for the members, of course, but for newbies and guests. If you think this all sux, close this thread. I dunno who's the mod.
The idea of international marriage is over in Belarus. You can say it is basically non existent. I have met several nice ladies, and most are curious but not serious. Most have openly told me they are not willing to leave their friends and family. Many have degrees and hold good jobs here and they know they might not be able to re validate their degree in the USA.
I came here to meet her, planned the works, gifts for her daughter, parents, planned places to see, we were planning family dinners, etc. When I get her I realize she has a very demanding concept of money, she likes to drink and dance in clubs and basically I asked her to leave my apartment after the second day.
I had dinner with a woman I had initially written to in 2012. She even told me that a few years back many americans came and found wives, but that the numbers plummeted recently. I don't blame them. If you find an American man interesting and you also find your local neighbor interesting, and your national economy has improved, you will marry your local man next door because you do not have to leave your culture and friends.
The economy here has improved and woman do not want to leave their culture, family, friends and career. This is understandable. If I meet a woman and she likes me just as much as she likes her neighbor she will choose her neighbor with whom she can have a conversation. I even met a woman that told me she was only interested in Belarusian men because she is patriotic.
AJ, I have never used MOB agencies in my life. That's not for me. However I was reading their bullshit online. You know they have articles on their sites like: "why FSUW are superior to WW, they have the mysterious russian soul, they make borsch and babies".
And there are always fake testimonials, photos of blondes in bikinis, who "cannot find quality men". They post such crap to attract new customers, but I was never one of them. I have a well developed bullshit detector. I have never been scammed in my life.
What I used were honest dating sites. One was a pay site aimed at WM and the rest were all russian sites: Loveplanet, Mamba and social networks: VK, Odnoklassniki, Moy mir etc. I also met some FSU women without internet (e.g. on trains, planes, caffes etc.). I don't need wingmen, agencies or translators.
Not all of us can live in the FSU. If you live there dating is easier. Especialy 10-15-20 years ago.
However, I felt your take seemed a tad jaded (so does Omegas whom you quoted, and I've stated so in his threads as well)
I agree with upsylon to a large degree.
Quote from: longingNot all of us can live in the FSU. If you live there dating is easier. Especialy 10-15-20 years ago.
However, I felt your take seemed a tad jaded (so does Omegas whom you quoted, and I've stated so in his threads as well)
I agree with upsylon to a large degree.
I agree with upsylon to a large degree.
Oops. Not exactly the type one would like to associate with!
That sentence was taken out of context by TomT so he could discredit me?
I wrote a whole DOCTORAL THESIS in english, which is not my native language and it included elements from: sociology, psychology, ethnology, history, geography, economy etc.
I wrote a whole DOCTORAL THESIS in english, which is not my native language and it included elements from: sociology, psychology, ethnology, history, geography, economy etc. What do you have to say on the subject except defocusing?
the older members of this forum are married and they are not up-to-date with the current trends. They are very biased and they always take it personally when someone dares to criticise the FSUW. Some guys here are directly involved in the dating industry (they own sites or agencies) and they do not allow any criticism. That renders a productive debate impossible.
Are you suggesting that I'm one of the older members, who isn't up to date with current trends?
Perhaps you aren't as good as you'd like to have us think?
So, what exactly are the current trends for dating in the FSU? Help us salty old dogs understand.
I always predict things correctly....
It's easy. You must be able to milk birds, you must look like Daniel Radcliffe's brother and you must have a haircut like Limahl from Kajagoogoo. You will have to sell your house and car in the US and move to a khrushchyovka without an elevator in Pohuevo, Kurdistan. Then MAYBE the girl will like you and you will get married if her local boyfriend allows, of course. Or her local girlfriend. Also you must be a sexually experienced virgin.
The fact that you are a foreigner is no longer a benefit rather a hindrance in most cases.
I think that the era when it was really easy to get a Russian woman interested in a foreigner to the point of marriage and moving to his country is over. Now days it requires a considerable investment in time, energy and resources.
the older members of this forum are married and they are not up-to-date with the current trends. They are very biased and they always take it personally when someone dares to criticise the FSUW. Some guys here are directly involved in the dating industry (they own sites or agencies) and they do not allow any criticism. That renders a productive debate impossible.
I always predict things correctly....
Janusz Leon Wisniewski: "Loneliness on the Net."
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They have russian versions of "Cosmopolitan" and "Sex & the City". Even poor smalltown girls want to immitate this.
And I disagree that good personalities attract lots of women and that they are appreciated in this world.
CaptB thanks for the reply . It was a pleasant read. And thanks to the other guys. But we will never understand each other. I promised that I'll not bore you with long stories, but this is interesting:This is simply a silly analogy.
Have you watched Austin Powers? A guy from the 60s goes to the future (90s) and tries to fit in.
Back in the 60s, he was a great womanizer, but in the 90s he looks like a clown. His clothes, pickup lines, slang, gestures and dance moves are outdated. Also, the ideals of beauty are changed. Compare Pete Townsend and Beckham!
Things DO change.Very profound. Of course they do. But the more they change, the more they stay the same.
I'm not saying you are clueless. But it's normal not to be up-to-date. You do not spend days on facebook with people aged from 18 to 30, you don't go to techno parties etc. No offence.I don't spend days on Facebook with people aged 18-30, I spend days face to face with people aged 18-30, as in every day. A RW aged 18 is lights years away from a RW aged 30, or 25 for that matter.
And I disagree that good personalities attract lots of women and that they are appreciated in this world.You haven't made a good case that you know more than others about anything. You're all over the place, but provide no insight other than to say you speak Russian (so do I) and that you've spent more recent time in Russia (I've lived in Moscow for the last 10 years).
Nikola Tesla was a genius and he died forgotten in misery. Paris Hilton is a brainless bimbo and everyone likes her, she's full of undeserved cash etc. there are milions of examples but lets not complicate. thats not the topic anyway so lets forget it. Good people always win, yeah in disneyland
AJ, you mentioned recent marriages.
Congrats to you! I never denied that there are good FSUW!
However, how many WM were succesful VS failures? Statistics?
I read the thread Members married within the past three years (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21715).
And how many guys are there? 5? What a success!
Sorry for my irony, my friend. But the FSU dating does not give impressive results. The number of fails must be like gazillion.
P.S. Omega seems to be a clever guy. He asks good questions, he investigates. Tho I dunno him personaly.
Nikola Tesla was a genius and he died forgotten in misery. Paris Hilton is a brainless bimbo and everyone likes her, she's full of undeserved cash etc. there are milions of examples but lets not complicate. thats not the topic anyway so lets forget it. Good people always win, yeah in disneylandStop looking at what others do, or who others are. If you're not getting the results you want, you need to look at...yourself!!
Nikola Tesla was a genius and he died forgotten in misery. Paris Hilton is a brainless bimbo and everyone likes her, she's full of undeserved cash etc. there are milions of examples but lets not complicate. thats not the topic anyway so lets forget it. Good people always win, yeah in disneylandStop looking at what others do, or who others are. If you're not getting the results you want, you need to look at...yourself!!
And going strictly on your posts, it doesn't take a genius to understand why you're having problems. Stop blaming others (RW and their so-called attitudes for example), stop looking at the percentages of others, stop taking about Nikola Tesla, Beckham, Paris Hilton, or Austin Powers (:) (they have nothing to do with anything) and start working on why YOU are not getting the results you want.
Nobody has ever said it was easy to find the right partner in Russia, or locally for that matter. It can be extremely frustrating at times, but it all starts and ends with you, period.
I wrote a whole DOCTORAL THESIS in english, which is not my native language and it included elements from: sociology, psychology, ethnology, history, geography, economy etc.
However, how many WM were succesful VS failures? Statistics?
For some even slightly meaningful comparison wouldn't you, or Omega, have to poll how many seriously were looking, made a trip, and started a relationship with an FSUW in the last 3 years that dint turn out?
and see how many post in the same time frame?
Hey i'm not knocking it, I'm curious as well..
For some even slightly meaningful comparison wouldn't you, or Omega, have to poll how many seriously were looking, made a trip, and started a relationship with an FSUW in the last 3 years that dint turn out?
and see how many post in the same time frame?
Hey i'm not knocking it, I'm curious as well..
I too am curious about this. Perhaps a poll could be created. AJ, how would you word such a poll to elicit the information you want to see?
For some even slightly meaningful comparison wouldn't you, or Omega, have to poll how many seriously were looking, made a trip, and started a relationship with an FSUW in the last 3 years that dint turn out?
and see how many post in the same time frame?
Hey i'm not knocking it, I'm curious as well..
I too am curious about this. Perhaps a poll could be created. AJ, how would you word such a poll to elicit the information you want to see?
Probably with way too many words. :chuckle:
Nikola Tesla was a genius and he died forgotten in misery. Paris Hilton is a brainless bimbo and everyone likes her, she's full of undeserved cash etc. there are milions of examples but lets not complicate. thats not the topic anyway so lets forget it. Good people always win, yeah in disneylandStop looking at what others do, or who others are. If you're not getting the results you want, you need to look at...yourself!!
And going strictly on your posts, it doesn't take a genius to understand why you're having problems. Stop blaming others (RW and their so-called attitudes for example), stop looking at the percentages of others, stop taking about Nikola Tesla, Beckham, Paris Hilton, or Austin Powers (:) (they have nothing to do with anything) and start working on why YOU are not getting the results you want.
Nobody has ever said it was easy to find the right partner in Russia, or locally for that matter. It can be extremely frustrating at times, but it all starts and ends with you, period.
No-- it would not make me "happier" -- look at the way replies are framed. The OP has obviously gone to a lot of effort to write that post as a 'think' piece and in my view it is an interesting piece of work .His conclusions are attacked and dismissed-- by those same people the OP mentions. Do they feel threatened by others with knowledge? With those that reach conclusions>? There is no evidence that the OP was on the forum 15 years ago to get the benefit of the collective wisdom- so his views are contemporary.Jay the crude(not literal) summary, is that Longing believes the majority of RW are bitches, playing games with WM. Most of what he posts are of younger girls as you mention. Where did any of the older members dismiss what he wrote, specifically?
In summary-- many things do and have changed in Ukraine since many here were there. That is virtually in every aspect of life and attitudes. Given that the OP comments were mostly about younger generation girls --that is something that some here would never connect with--let alone understand.One of the problems you have( although you are younger than the old phaffers I was referring to) is that a very narrow view of who can know anything is taken ie closed minds to others who do have actual on the ground current experience . The OP has made some observations -- a lot of which I would agree with-even if I would not necessarily express in the same way.
I am also heavily restricted on what I can say here as I am so rude and ill mannered-so difficult to give examples if I want the post to appear. :)
Where did the OP debate his stance, recognizing that he would actually have to engage those posting in order to debate. Not just repost his stance and blow everyone off as old, mean, blah blah.
I have answered some of your questions, but not everything, because:
1) My brain will explode.
2) I had an impression that it all turned into beating the dead horse. Also TomT cried like old babushka that I write too much. But OK, what the hell! We will debate (but we CAN'T GO FOREVER!)
I have answered some of your questions, but not everything, because:
1) My brain will explode.
2) I had an impression that it all turned into beating the dead horse. Also TomT cried like old babushka that I write too much. But OK, what the hell! We will debate (but we CAN'T GO FOREVER!)
You are replying with BS to divert attention from the tough questions that you don't want to answer.
Longing let's be correct,you haven't responded to questions with any new information, hence you haven't made an effort to debate/explore your posting.Where did the OP debate his stance, recognizing that he would actually have to engage those posting in order to debate. Not just repost his stance and blow everyone off as old, mean, blah blah.
Welder! It's simply not true that I have never debated with you. You are offending me! You accuse me that I never "answered a single question", but obviously you are not reading carefully.
I have answered some of your questions, but not everything, because:
1) My brain will explode.
2) I had an impression that it all turned into beating the dead horse. Also TomT cried like old babushka that I write too much. But OK, what the hell! We will debate (but we CAN'T GO FOREVER!)
I asked you what you've learned in the past three years since you've graced us with your presence and you've been silent on the issue. You might consider writing about what you learned from your relationship with the teenager whom you praised. I would find the narrative engrossing, especially if it is long.
Eduard didn't mention that the financial strength of the typical foreign suitor could be several orders of magnitude greater than the typical local suitor and that an FSUM could much more easily replace his FSUW than could a Western man. From the other side, an FSU woman's financial and social opportunities would increase exponentially in her new residence. Much like you, Ed cherry-picks his facts very carefully. I suspect that you think that his comments are reasonable because you agree with him. That, however, is validation, not debate.
I asked you what you've learned in the past three years since you've graced us with your presence and you've been silent on the issue. You might consider writing about what you learned from your relationship with the teenager whom you praised. I would find the narrative engrossing, especially if it is long.What did I learn in those 3 years of my absence? I dunno. Many things? I didn't sit on forums 24/7 and I was not thinking about FSUW all the time.
I had various activities: work, arts, journalism, education. I hanged in clubs a lot, played music as a dj in some, i followed rock concerts as journalist, chased women (with or without success). There are some who like sex with no obligations. Now there is no one serious in my life.
Also, during those 3 years, I did lots of eating, drinking, pissing and shitting and I was breathing air and watching television everyday.
I asked you what you've learned in the past three years since you've graced us with your presence and you've been silent on the issue. You might consider writing about what you learned from your relationship with the teenager whom you praised. I would find the narrative engrossing, especially if it is long.What did I learn in those 3 years of my absence? I dunno. Many things? I didn't sit on forums 24/7 and I was not thinking about FSUW all the time.
I had various activities: work, arts, journalism, education. I hanged in clubs a lot, played music as a dj in some, i followed rock concerts as journalist, chased women (with or without success). There are some who like sex with no obligations. Now there is no one serious in my life.
Also, during those 3 years, I did lots of eating, drinking, pissing and shitting and I was breathing air and watching television everyday.
Instead of posting the link to the thesis that I requested, you painted a picture of a guy in his early twenties, not one in his mid-thirties with a PhD. This creates the impression that you are dishonest as well as developmentally impaired.
TomT and Rosco, what do you choose to be? I wrote a whole DOCTORAL THESIS in english, which is not my native language and it included elements from: sociology, psychology, ethnology, history, geography, economy etc. What do you have to say on the subject except defocusing?
Tom, the thesis is in front of your nose all this time. Here, on your screen, in this thread. You have no sense of metaphors whatsoever. You are superficial to the core. Guests now read this and laugh at you. Watch less Jerry Springer, Tom. And read some book by Pushkin, Dostoevski, Lermontov, Chekhov etc. That's how you'll understand real Russia. I spent time to write a decently long reply to you, but it's pointless.
P.S. If I really had a thesis it would be in my language and how would u understand it? But anyway...
Maybe I'm wrong, but I suspect that you are also in the dating business (agencies, sites) and maybe that's why you get nervy when someone criticises FSUW. Or maybe you are a biased, cause you married one.
Janusz Leon Wisniewski: "Loneliness on the Net."
loveread.ws/read_book.php?id=3649&p=1 (http://loveread.ws/read_book.php?id=3649&p=1)
Спасибо Аннушка, с удовольствием посмотрю.
It took your naïve Russian girlfriend four years to discover that you were a charlatan but it only took me a few days and it wasn't difficult. The first clue was your excessive verbosity but your incredible claim of having written a DOCTORAL THESIS in English removed all doubt.
Slumba, already answered here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg381566#msg381566). Don't blame me that Tom understands everything literally. If I suggest Tom to see Swan Lake by Tchaikovsky, he would go there with a bathing suit and fishing equipment...
Sorry to be a moron here, but are you suggesting that your online postings on this forum, constitute the equivalent of a doctoral thesis?
Да, я из Македонии. Я вам ответил на русском, потому что предполагаю что это ваш родной язык. I wrote in russian, because I assume that it's your native language.
Да, я из Македонии. Я вам ответил на русском, потому что предполагаю что это ваш родной язык. I wrote in russian, because I assume that it's your native language.
Да, да, да! Русский мой родной язык!
Какой сорприз!!! Спасибо!!
Македония очень красивая страна.
Я там не была, но много слышала о ней.
Следующий раз, когда я в Европе, надеюсь посетить это сказочное место.
Очень рада видеть Вас на этом форуме.
Надеюсь Вы здесь будете постоянно.
Спасибо за вам за приятные слова уважаемая Orchid! ) Приезжайте! Рекомендую вам летом посетить город Охрид на Охридском озере. Оно большое почти как море. Это наш главный туристический центр. Там есть древние достопримечательности. Российским, украинским и американским гражданам виза не требуется.
Спасибо за вам за приятные слова уважаемая Orchid! ) Приезжайте! Рекомендую вам летом посетить город Охрид на Охридском озере. Оно большое почти как море. Это наш главный туристический центр. Там есть древние достопримечательности. Российским, украинским и американским гражданам виза не требуется.
Охрид звучит почти как Orchid. :)
Этот форум пробудил у меня большой интерес к Шотландии.
Теперь вот Македония....
Похоже следующим летом я буду много путешествовать.
У нас здесь есть традиция размещать фотографии места где мы живем.
Идея заключается в том, чтобы увидеть это место Вашими глазами и узнать Вас получше.
Может быть Вы найдете время и сделаете фотографии Македонии для нас?
Это был бы большой подарок.
Почему нет) Я постараюсь загрузить фотографии когда у меня будет возможность)
Great posts by Blast and CaptB. The advice they give is timeless. tiphat
Great posts by Blast and CaptB. The advice they give is timeless. tiphat
Thank you SashaTheCat, but we also need to give tiphat our very wise уважаемая Orchid!
Thank you SashaTheCat, but we also need to give tiphat our very wise уважаемая Orchid!
Indeed we do! I hope that Doctor LFS understands the irony of a RW coming to his rescue after his "thesis" about the bitches of the FSU.
Nikola Tesla was a genius and he died forgotten in misery. Paris Hilton is a brainless bimbo and everyone likes her, she's full of undeserved cash etc. there are milions of examples but lets not complicate. thats not the topic anyway so lets forget it. Good people always win, yeah in disneyland
Nikola Tesla was a genius and he died forgotten in misery. Paris Hilton is a brainless bimbo and everyone likes her, she's full of undeserved cash etc. there are milions of examples but lets not complicate. thats not the topic anyway so lets forget it. Good people always win, yeah in disneyland
Tesla was indeed a genius. He made a tidy sum during his life and 20 years after passing had an SI unit named after him.
Hardly died forgotten in misery.....
Nikola Tesla was a genius and he died forgotten in misery. Paris Hilton is a brainless bimbo and everyone likes her, she's full of undeserved cash etc. there are milions of examples but lets not complicate. thats not the topic anyway so lets forget it. Good people always win, yeah in disneyland
Tesla was indeed a genius. He made a tidy sum during his life and 20 years after passing had an SI unit named after him.
Hardly died forgotten in misery.....
Utter nonsence. Though that's not "misery" as in "starving children in Africa", it's still humiliating for such a great mind. He was allegedly broke when he died in a NYC hotel room. During his life he was underratted. Edison publicly ridiculed and humiliated him. He fought bitter legal battles, because some of his inventions were appropriated by other scientists. For some of them he was credited posthumously. Without them modern life would be immpossible, but still, many people don't know that he ever existed. Especialy in the US, where he lived and worked.
It's a long story with lots of controversies and you can do a research on google, but he's not the topic here, so let's not go deeper. Just compare his achievements and popularity vs let's say Paris Hilton. Or put here any banal celebrity you want. My point is that people who posses great qualities (be it: mind, talent, good character) are not necesarily rewarded in this world.
Though Tom's reading abilities equal those of Stevie Wonder and Andrea Bocelli, he noticed in this thread that I've no problem in communicating with FSU ladies. Moreover, in russian.
Utter nonsense?
I know his work well so what's the issue? Your poor understanding of English?
Though Tom's reading abilities equal those of Stevie Wonder and Andrea Bocelli, he noticed in this thread that I've no problem in communicating with FSU ladies. Moreover, in russian. But the keyword is "ladies". Real ladies are rare. Many are taken. You'll rarely see them in my target age group.There are no 'ladies' in Russia or Ukraine. There are many women. Some are nice and some are not. But no ladies.
I bet our esteemed thesis writer is another of those free energy nutters
Utter nonsense?
I know his work well so what's the issue? Your poor understanding of English?
Yes, my english is broken. If you want to date abroad, you must deal with it. Otherwise, no woman. No cry.
I used the word "nonsense" to express my disagreement.
- You: He HARDLY (not quite / barely / almost not) died in poverty. Me: No, he was broke.
- You: He was honored for his achievements. Me: Partially, as some were recognized after he was dead. He probably died bitter.
- You: He made TIDY SUMS. Me: Yes, but he spend on sci. In return, many don't know him, but they know Jerry Springer. And Tom, of course, cause he's a genius. A child prodigy. Wunderkind. Amadeus.
He's not the only one. I bet not many Americans know about Dennis Ritchie or Edgar Dijkstra, yet without them computer sciences would still be in their infancy.
I bet not many Americans know about Dennis Ritchie or Edgar Dijkstra, yet without them computer sciences would still be in their infancy.
I see.... So, they are the ones who are guilty for this "FSU dating" nonsense. If they didn't develop the PC, there'd be no internet. And no FSU dating sites. Lots of cash, nerves and energy would be saved. Andless[fewer!] hearts would be broken. LOL.
I see.... So, they are the ones who are guilty for this "FSU dating" nonsense. If they didn't develop the PC, there'd be no internet. And no FSU dating sites. Lots of cash, nerves and energy would be saved. Andless[fewer!] hearts would be broken. LOL.
Before the Internet came into general use in the FSU, profiles were compiled into a printed catalog and postal addresses were sold. Of course, being the intelligent and well-informed bloke that you are, you knew that.
You sound like a very bitter individual longingforawoman.
You have a few issues to iron out.
there's more than enough pretty girls out there waiting for a
decent bloke.
You sound like a very bitter individual longingforawoman.
Of course some truths lie in part of the nonsense you spout but I can't help but feel that you have had some bad experiences and you've got a few issues to iron out.
Agreed, this endeavour isn't for the faint hearted but in my experience, meeting girls from the FSU has simply been an extension to the dating pool. I'm perhaps a little too young to compare today's 'market' with what happened back in the good ol days but from what I've seen, there's more than enough pretty girls out there waiting for a decent bloke.
Would I do it all again if anything happened to my current relationship? Absolutely not but only because it's been such an intensive few years getting to where we are today. However, if I hadn't met my wife and happened to be still looking around, I know there would be many, many exciting times lying ahead for me.
I just don't see the world as you do but then perhaps we play in different sports.
Before the Internet came into general use in the FSU, profiles were compiled into printed catalogs and postal addresses were sold. Of course, being the intelligent and well-informed bloke that you are, you knew that.
The dating industry claimed that it would be EASY. They lied. That's the problem.
Indeed we do! I hope that Doctor LFS understands the irony of a RW coming to his rescue after his "thesis" about the bitches of the FSU.
Though Tom's reading abilities equal those of Stevie Wonder and Andrea Bocelli, he noticed in this thread that I've no problem in communicating with FSU ladies. Moreover, in russian. But the keyword is "ladies". Real ladies are rare. Many are taken. You'll rarely see them in my target age group.
Slumba, already answered here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg381566#msg381566). Don't blame me that Tom understands everything literally. If I suggest Tom to see Swan Lake by Tchaikovsky, he would go there with a bathing suit and fishing equipment...
NS, so you do admit that most of what dating industry claimed is just a myth? well thanks God someone agreed with me.Not hardly.
And NS, also note: It's not all about the money in life. It's not like I have been scammed by a dishonest agency or something. Oncontrary! I used only one pay site in my life and it was reasonably priced and pretty honest. The others were free. I just don't like people who put FSUW on a pedestal. Sure, many guys make mistakes, I don't deny. But lot of you allow FSUW to get away with murder. This is simply not right.The guy screaming on the corner waving a sign, could be right, but most people think he's nuts.
A lot of you allow FSUW to get away with murder
And NS, also note: It's not all about the money in life. It's not like I have been scammed by a dishonest agency or something. Oncontrary! I used only one pay site in my life and it was reasonably priced and pretty honest. The others were free. I just don't like people who put FSUW on a pedestal. Sure, many guys make mistakes, I don't deny. But lot of you allow FSUW to get away with murder. This is simply not right.The guy screaming on the corner waving a sign, could be right, but most people think he's nuts.
That would be you. If if you have a valid point, on any of your rants. How you present, decides how valid
and serious people will take it, including newbies who read this stuff.
I have experienced everything that longingforthesouth mentions in page one of this thread. That is why I asked how many members have been married in the past three years. The numbers were quite low. Bill, there are not millions of available women. Less than 5% are willing to relocate. Manny and I concur on this. I am not interested in everyone within that 5%. It is a numbers game, and the numbers are rather low. Most of the members here are over 40 and have dated ten to fifteen years ago when the world was very different. For example, I have recently seen a number of anti American propaganda on social site vk. You see most of the ugly truths on vk. I think this member is definitely on point.
Snip
the reality is that those who DO end up married to some foreign bint do so, for good or ill, by virtue of knowing what they wanted and why.
So, what do you want and why? Snip
Andrew:
Thanks for the "dva kopeck". I am not prince charming, nor do I pretend to be the ideal man. I can offer the same as most of us here. A serious, well educated, hard working man, family oriented and sincere. I can also offer sobriety, dual citizenship and an improved economic situation.
I seek in this area of the world chasing the ideal of a woman a couple notches higher on the scale of one to ten.
Coming on here ranting about how the FSU is full of bitches is pathetic and if only it were possible, I'd love to hear the story from the other side of the fence.
Coming on here ranting about how the FSU is full of bitches is pathetic and if only it were possible, I'd love to hear the story from the other side of the fence.
Good post Rosco. I second the portion in bold above.
Rosco, thing is that you were realistic - at least so you tell us. ;)
Of course there are LOADS of women everywhere but most people here tell us they are seeking something to which they are not entitled and that makes things hard. When you consider the constraints - willingness to consider a foreign bloke, willingness to move, ability to communicate and finally mutual compatibility then the numbers are going to drop a lot but in numeric terms there's still a lot of people.
... Not go hunting for a bride in a pack of women looking to leave their country. :)
... Not go hunting for a bride in a pack of women looking to leave their country. :)
There is a fine, but important, line between women who are looking to leave their country and those who are willing to emigrate to be with someone who is special to her.
... Not go hunting for a bride in a pack of women looking to leave their country. :)
There is a fine, but important, line between women who are looking to leave their country and those who are willing to emigrate to be with someone who is special to her.
And that line in the sand can be extremely hard to spot for the average plonker.
And that line in the sand can be extremely hard to spot for the average plonker.
why on earth are you chasing after women where only a tiny minority have any interest in the concept of what you want
Ten years ago (and more) these women formed a surplus of supply on the market over and above the tiny numbers who would be willing to consider a foreign bloke as a husband. The numbers of women who were willing to self export by marriage were, in real terms, always very small, but now - miniscule.
Chances are that your idea of improved economic situation is not relevant or big enough to catch anyone you might want to attract with such a lure, that you have two passports means nothing and, contrary to waht you might have imagined, most people in this part of the world are not raging alcoholics.
willingness to consider a foreign bloke, willingness to move, ability to communicate and finally mutual compatibility then the numbers are going to drop a lot but in numeric terms there's still a lot of people.
Rosco
You confirmed my point by admitting that you were looking for your wife for years. Why would one spend so much time / nerves / money to find a wife in a place, where there are "milions of attractive + family oriented" women, who "are dying to marry a foreigner". The answer is simple: Most of it is a myth. And here we are debunking it. Practically you helped the process.
It's clear that lot of the guys here are biased, because they're:
a) Married to a FSUW
b) They are in the dating business
c) Both
I'm not saying that you personally are a bad man, just stating facts.
Even the commercial member Eduard, who earns his bread from the dating business admitted that:
but the Belarus women i know here , are married and are quite recently immigrated from Belarus, and someone met them and found them to be family oriented and compatible, How do you suppose that happened when from Omegas experience and in his words dating in Belarus is over?
None of those men found that to be true,nor have several forum members.
This venture has always been poor odds, the odds haven't gotten better. Yet ,the sky wasn't falling then, and isn't now.
Now since you keep using him as a grand example, as international dating not working in the FSU, and he states he corresponded with her for 6 months prior to meeting her and in just two days there finding out shes a club girl and demanding about money... isn't it somewhat unusual if this showed so quickly in two days, that he wouldn't understand her a little from 6 months of prior contact?
So ,in conclusion, Beeel's too stupid to fail?Many of us share this same quality mmm or trait.
;D
I'd imagine that explains my situation at least.
:laugh:
Bill great truth in those words.
You could never fail, as you never stopped searching and adjusting
to find what you wanted. Looks like your hard work & determination
paid off :thumbsup:
There is the biggest lesson, right there.
So ,in conclusion, Beeel's too stupid to fail?
;D
You see I never had a chance to fail, because I wasn't ever going to give up.
This FSU dating thing was advertised as easy and the choice of stable and serious women as plentful. It's not so.
Tall Bill, great story. I admire your persistence and positive energy.
However, you will allow me to repeat what I wrote to Rosco several posts before (they get burried, so you did not see it):This FSU dating thing was advertised as easy and the choice of stable and serious women as plentful. It's not so.
Yes, I am persistent, too and I did several trips and went through many situations (the difference is I have never been scammed).
But everything has to have a limit. I gave RU & UA my best years, lots of money and love. I met only 1 serious person, that I liked both physicaly and intellectually (my ex-GF, 4 yrs).
I met other beautiful girls, but they wanted adventures and got them. Other girls didn't want anything. Some were serious, but I didn't like them. And so on. It's futile.
Cause you see, the border between persistance and foolishness is thin. I can't be a "sponsor" of the FSU economy forever. I can't sell my property and kidneys, so I can travel to the FSU over and over again. Especially not to some Muhosransk in the middle of Chukotka. And I can't go through registrations, vouchers again and again.
Personally I'm financialy alright, but If there are no results, I would spend my money in other countries. Not for dating, but to see sights. We have many beautiful places here as well.
Also note that Rome, Paris, Vienna, the Adriatic, the Aegean and other nice places are near me (I mean relatively near, when you see it from the US). We don't need visas for the EU and there are inexpensive tours.
The problem is that I got HOOKED on RU / UA culture and women and I learned russian. I still respect that. After all we have slavic connection between us. But this pursuit cannot go forever.
I tasted the FSU and the women there, it's time to move on. As I said 458 times, I'm not searching anymore, just sharing opinions. True, sometimes I check dating sites just to see what is happening.
P.S. If some rw or uw wants to see me, she can buy herself a ticket. A visa is not needed. That's it.
This venture has always been poor odds, the odds haven't gotten better. Yet ,the sky wasn't falling then, and isn't now.
Now since you keep using him as a grand example, as international dating not working in the FSU, and he states he corresponded with her for 6 months prior to meeting her and in just two days there finding out shes a club girl and demanding about money... isn't it somewhat unusual if this showed so quickly in two days, that he wouldn't understand her a little from 6 months of prior contact?
Here is a brief and far from complete cliff notes version of 2tallbill's FSUW experience.
...
So after the Voronezh girl and I parted ways, I gave myself a pep talk,
I went on-line to a social networking site and found a girl with enchantingly
beautiful green eyes and asked her to meet me for tea and the love story
of my life began right before my eyes.
You see I never had a chance to fail, because I wasn't ever going to give up.
This FSU dating thing was advertised as easy and the choice of stable and serious women as plentful. It's not so.
Andrew....are you trying to occupy "JB's" vacated seat here ? :-)
I just hit the "post" button......and my post disappeared.....for the second time this week. I was going to write an abbreviated "replacement" post (the first was rather lengthy).......but I think I may start a new thread later tonite......on whether or not the FSU dating pool has really dried up.
Capt B
I will not do any "introspections", because I'm not searching anymore. I don't care.
2Tall... I wanted to ask why you kept going back to the same pool of RW?
a friend told me he had dated 3 RW in the US, and decided he would never do this again
I must be the exception. It was never difficult for me to find someone. I also think that Russian women, in many ways are the same as American woman. With the exception that RW are more beautiful, less demanding, not overweight, and very family oriented. Oh, did I say more beautiful?
Why do you all try to make it sound so difficult?
I must be the exception. It was never difficult for me to find someone. I also think that Russian women, in many ways are the same as American woman. With the exception that RW are more beautiful, less demanding, not overweight, and very family oriented. Oh, did I say more beautiful?
Why do you all try to make it sound so difficult?
Yankee, it was never difficult for me to find someone. Let's not distort things as if I'm here "to whine". No, I'm here to express opinions. The problem is that I wasn't looking for any girl.
Andrew:
I am here, and I am persistent in my search because in that 5% willing to relocate, I hope to find a good woman a couple of notches more attractive than what I can find here locally in Miami. It is a difficult search because we are dealing with low numbers.
I understand you believe this industry is over. As you stated in a previous post it is like the buggy driver at the turn of the twentieth century with the advent of the automobile. This is a valid point and I respect your opinion, and I believe it is mainly over also.
Let me ask you something. If you believe this endeavor to be officially dead, then why participate in a forum about its very existence?
I am here, and I am persistent in my search because in that 5% willing to relocate, I hope to find a good woman a couple of notches more attractive than what I can find here locally in Miami. It is a difficult search because we are dealing with low numbers.
I understand you believe this industry is over. As you stated in a previous post it is like the buggy driver at the turn of the twentieth century with the advent of the automobile. This is a valid point and I respect your opinion, and I believe it is mainly over also.
If someone is open to dating locally , and simply expanding their dating pool to include Canada, Europe, Eastern Europe, Russia , etc
I'd like someone to explain whats truly *difficult* about meeting a women in another country?
Same as if i was flying into LA , NYC, London, Munich or Toronto to meet some woman I had communicated with, and seem to hit it off..
I don't really care what percent ,in any given city, are interested in some general concept of relocation or not, that seems WAY ahead of the game?
Nor do I care if there are 5 million, or 500, interested in some general concept, because I'm not dating a million women, or a generality.
I simply need to find one woman interested in me, enough to visit her and see where it leads, if that doesn't pan out maybe a few more.
There are certainly some available, in any of the cities i mentioned, including the FSU, and that's all that truly relevant to my search.
Sure ,some places might have more, or far less, interested in me specifically , yet if i'm dating locally anyway, why does that matter?
I'd still be increasing my chances of finding someone interested.
How much those chances are actually increased is what seems debated in this thread,and whether that increase is worth any effort.
I just find it odd , if you are doing your normal dating routine anyway, how adding some possibilities, however remote, would be difficult or negative.
If someone is open to dating locally , and simply expanding their dating pool to include Canada, Europe, Eastern Europe, Russia , etc
I'd like someone to explain whats truly *difficult* about meeting a women in another country?
Same as if i was flying into LA , NYC, London, Munich or Toronto to meet some woman I had communicated with, and seem to hit it off..
I don't really care what percent ,in any given city, are interested in some general concept of relocation or not, that seems WAY ahead of the game?
Nor do I care if there are 5 million, or 500, interested in some general concept, because I'm not dating a million women, or a generality.
I simply need to find one woman interested in me, enough to visit her and see where it leads, if that doesn't pan out maybe a few more.
There are certainly some available, in any of the cities i mentioned, including the FSU, and that's all that truly relevant to my search.
Sure ,some places might have more, or far less, interested in me specifically , yet if i'm dating locally anyway, why does that matter?
I'd still be increasing my chances of finding someone interested.
How much those chances are actually increased is what seems debated in this thread,and whether that increase is worth any effort.
I just find it odd , if you are doing your normal dating routine anyway, how adding some possibilities, however remote, would be difficult or negative.
+1
I'd like someone to explain whats truly *difficult* about meeting a women in another country?
I simply need to find one woman interested in me, enough to visit her and see where it leads, if that doesn't pan out maybe a few more.
Not everyone has time and resources for: "She seems nice, let's go there and see where it leads". It may lead to nothing, even if you did everything to know the person as good as possible (you communicated a lot, skyped)
This thing is clearly dead.
This thing is clearly dead.
I have wrote similar before. Yes.
This thing is clearly dead.
I have wrote similar before. Yes.
This thing is clearly dead.
I have wrote similar before. Yes.
Really???
There will always be opportunities for men who don't have any obvious afflictions. Men who do typically blame the girls.
I agree Great read, for a business that has dried up, seems to be a few marriages.
Would be interesting to see how many people who are here. were married in what time frame.
Keep in mind, now there is many ways to contact women and pursue this adventure.
A small % every come to forums. Still lots of dating sites.
Changing yes, dead no.
instead of someone more likely to be serious , and realistic.
http://www.cuteonly.com/users/Vikushka/?a_aid=f9a4995c
I used to work as a chef, auditor, financial director and finally realized I like flowers more than money, so I'm a florist. What else? I've got a talent to talk anyone into anything. I can move objects with by eyesight. And yes, I'm always honest ;)
Tom, women also make mistakes and they also deserve criticism. It's true that we cannot solve these problems with the FSU dating, however, putting FSUW on pedestal and always blaming the guys will definetly not help.
The older married members know better than you that the FSU has produced the bitchiest, most insufferable girls that mankind has ever seen. Moreover, you don't know shit about whom we are likely to defend or to criticize. If a productive debate is impossible, it's because you presume to tell us what our attitude is.
instead of someone more likely to be serious , and realistic.
http://www.cuteonly.com/users/Vikushka/?a_aid=f9a4995c
I used to work as a chef, auditor, financial director and finally realized I like flowers more than money, so I'm a florist. What else? I've got a talent to talk anyone into anything. I can move objects with by eyesight. And yes, I'm always honest ;)
Her claim to being able to talk anyone into anything is believable if it refers to males. If Vika is really the author, she has a good sense of humor.
Why not check Loveplanet.ru? Or Mamba.ru? Or Vk?I did, and had dates from those places, some women serious, some not, some interested in me, some not!Normal stuff.
Longing, it's been an interesting read the past several days as you opened up about your search methods and experiences.
The one thing I noted which has me stumped, you met your first success through an agency, LL is this correct? You then bounced around on non western facing sites where you get exposure to the 95% of women who are not interested in moving.
The only difference I see in your experience versus that of older members is they remained focused on the 5% that do want to move rather than distracted by the 95% who don't. The ladies whom you discover on the social media sites were always there, just not as easy, or open to see their activities, until social media made that possible.
I agree with you that the social media can be tools but it also can be a huge distraction. Does anyone believe that the ladies they are going to visit are not dating locally? I certainly didn't. It would be more concerning, IMHO, if they were not. Surely you wouldn't expect to read in a profile, " My goal is to meet prince charming locally before you(the samll percentage of men who get on a plane) arrive". While everyone know this is true it is also a given. Competition with local men has always existed. What woman in her right mind would rather move countries than meet prince charming, all things being equal, and grow old together in her native county surrounded by family.
I find it ridiculous that you're still bitching and moaning about how shit FSU woman are on a random forum.
You might have your points but your whining will get you nowhere.
Who wants to be known as a catalogue bride when they can easily meet someone on a dating website?
They openly said: "I want to be free", "I have plans for my life" or "I just want to travel"...
They openly said: "I want to be free", "I have plans for my life" or "I just want to travel"...
There are things that a girl tells a guy when she would rather have a radical hysterectomy than marry him.
Online dating is definitely common and mainstream in Australia today. The large dating apps advertise on commercial tv these days.
I'm not bitching or moaning....
Online dating is definitely common and mainstream in Australia today. The large dating apps advertise on commercial tv these days.
Almost all American couples around me have found each other on-line(who is married within last five years).
Americans do not bother to go to bar, club, or any other place to look for a better half.
On-line dating in America is a normal part of life and a good manner.
I'm not bitching or moaning....
Your heart is bleeding.....
And yeah, always look for problems in the guy, never criticize the women. We heard it like 1000s of times on this forum and it's always Tom with his spitful oneliners.
And yeah, always look for problems in the guy, never criticize the women. We heard it like 1000s of times on this forum and it's always Tom with his spitful oneliners.
I can't speak for TomT, but perhaps you could consider - the guy can't control the behavior of women, but can control his own behavior.
Someone is ending up with the "wonderful" ones - if it is not you, then why not?
And yeah, always look for problems in the guy, never criticize the women. We heard it like 1000s of times on this forum and it's always Tom with his spitful oneliners.
I can't speak for TomT, but perhaps you could consider - the guy can't control the behavior of women, but can control his own behavior.
Someone is ending up with the "wonderful" ones - if it is not you, then why not?
Welder, you are trying to find logical explanations, so you could put the blame on the guy and that's not always like that.
You're saying something like: "You should have focused on women willing to date foreigners and not go to RU dating sites, because they're are mostly for local dating". It's not that simple.
Logically, I'd expect the women in catalogues to be more serious about meeting in real than those on dating sites. Because, I guess that people don't join a catalogues just out of boredom. And maybe the agency has some background info on them. I don't know about agencies, I've never used them, it's just my assumptions and they may be wrong.
Generaly, things are bad. You can say it's dead or half-dead, it won't change much. Sure, people will still meet and get married etc. But their numbers are ridicilous.
Tom always posts spitful oneliners.
I don't know why not and I don't care. I'm not looking anymore. I'm sharing opinions. They are formed and will not change. I will not spit on my experiences.
Tom always posts spitful oneliners.
I don't need to post reams of BS to cut to the core issue:
I don't know why not and I don't care. I'm not looking anymore. I'm sharing opinions. They are formed and will not change. I will not spit on my experiences.
Stubbornly clinging to faulty conclusions, colored by one's own issues, is a virtual guarantee that the problem will continue. You claim that your rant about "not serious" FSU bitches isn't about you but, in fact, it couldn't be more about you. FSU bitches do exist, as do narcissistic men.
These bad trends / tendencies among the young FSUW exist with or without me.
I elaborated about them in detail. The difference is:
- I see them, because I'm following what's happening on the russian dating sites & soc networks and I understand russian and I hang with young people in the FSU.
- You and most of the guys don't see them, because: you are married; not actively reading the ru dating sites; you don't understand russian; or your target group is older and you don't hang with young people; or you use sites aimed at WM, where such things are not discussed openly.
Now face it, there're problems and many agree with me. Maybe not everything is SO bad like I say, but problems do exist.
LftS
- no, the difference is, you are looking for the bad trends.
so, who are you hanging out with, and where? at the 'club', at a bar? what do you think you are going to find? what kind of FSU people are you hanging with? if you are hanging with the 'non-serious', 'fun' group, what did you think you would find?
- I am an old guy and married. but I know a few young FSUW personally, and through them, their young friends. they are very serious about their lives, from their studies to their social lives.
now yes, things are not as bad as you say!
again, I would say that a discussion with the mirror is in line, like many of us have done before. but, you are not in the pursuit any more, right?
so, who are you hanging out with, and where? at the 'club', at a bar? what do you think you are going to find? what kind of FSU people are you hanging with? if you are hanging with the 'non-serious', 'fun' group, what did you think you would find?
again, I would say that a discussion with the mirror is in line, like many of us have done before. but, you are not in the pursuit any more, right?
You are butt-hurt over it and you showed that despite saying you are not judgmental, you actually were. It is your choice over who you socialize with, and hers too.
Some growing up to be done here.
You have no right to judge her as you have done. It is your choice with whom you associate. Had she not told you the chances are that you'd never have known so she was seeking your trust and you broke that trust. If you were repelled you could and should have simply said that you could not continue, but no, you tormented her. You had no right to do so.
Learn to be a man and until then stay away from serious relationships with real people.
Some growing up to be done here.
You have no right to judge her as you have done. It is your choice with whom you associate. Had she not told you the chances are that you'd never have known so she was seeking your trust and you broke that trust. If you were repelled you could and should have simply said that you could not continue, but no, you tormented her. You had no right to do so.
Learn to be a man and until then stay away from serious relationships with real people.
I had a right to do so, as she was first lying to me that she was serious, responsible and stable about relationships and judging by her behaviour during that initial period that seemed quite convincing, so I normaly giot "hooked" on her. Even after I learned nasty things about her, I was thankful for her honesty and I compromised my moral principles. I threw them down the toilet and I swallowed my pride. What do you want more than that? What can make you happy? Should we all shoot ourselves to make FSUW happy? Should we cut our balls to become eunuchs? What do you want? Gimme a break. You are defending some prostitute as if she was a lady whom I "offended". This world is really upside down.
Some growing up to be done here.
You have no right to judge her as you have done. It is your choice with whom you associate. Had she not told you the chances are that you'd never have known so she was seeking your trust and you broke that trust. If you were repelled you could and should have simply said that you could not continue, but no, you tormented her. You had no right to do so.
Learn to be a man and until then stay away from serious relationships with real people.
I had a right to do so, as she was first lying to me that she was serious, responsible and stable about relationships and judging by her behaviour during that initial period that seemed quite convincing, so I normaly giot "hooked" on her. Even after I learned nasty things about her, I was thankful for her honesty and I compromised my moral principles. I threw them down the toilet and I swallowed my pride. What do you want more than that? What can make you happy? Should we all shoot ourselves to make FSUW happy? Should we cut our balls to become eunuchs? What do you want? Gimme a break. You are defending some prostitute as if she was a lady whom I "offended". This world is really upside down.
Boy, you DO have some issues, don't you?
Personal insult removed DS........Ammended by Sparky
Go take a good long hard look at yourself in the mirror. You migh be disappointed at what is revealed that is in plain sight to us.
Carry on with the whining self pity. The girl had a fortunate escape.
That says it all.Carry on with the whining self pity. The girl had a fortunate escape.
Carry on defending sl*ts, wh0res and h00kersmaybe they will be grateful to you (yeah, sure). Btw I have never offended you personally or your lady, I don't even know who you are, why do you take it SO personally? do you have some love ones on those webcam sites? Or you run such sites yourself?
That says it all.Carry on with the whining self pity. The girl had a fortunate escape.
Carry on defending sl*ts, wh0res and h00kersmaybe they will be grateful to you (yeah, sure). Btw I have never offended you personally or your lady, I don't even know who you are, why do you take it SO personally? do you have some love ones on those webcam sites? Or you run such sites yourself?
The terminology you use to describe women engaged in the sex trade says more about you and your attitude to women then it does about what theses wonen do for a living.That says it all.Carry on with the whining self pity. The girl had a fortunate escape.
Carry on defending sl*ts, wh0res and h00kersmaybe they will be grateful to you (yeah, sure). Btw I have never offended you personally or your lady, I don't even know who you are, why do you take it SO personally? do you have some love ones on those webcam sites? Or you run such sites yourself?
Well, how else should I call girls who sell their intimacy and sexuality for money to all kinds of maniacs?
P.S. Engineers? Doctors? Sportists? Painters?
she's relatively sexy. Not as in "supermodel with silicon boobs", but more like arty / alternative / intellectual sexy. She wasn't exactly the type that I preffer, but who cares?
I mean this is it! This is what I was looking for!
I asked her to tell me the truth, promising that I will not be judgmental.
I didn't judge her. However, I told her that such job is not considered NORMAL by most people.
Most young FSUW want to be INDEPENDENT. They don't care about "cosy homes, making borsch and babies" and they are not family oriented. Words like "independence" and "freedom" are frequently repeated in my conversations with the young FSUW.
I was thinking what to do and finally I compromised my principles. Well, what the hell?
I just complained that she undresses for other people and never for me
Anyway, I had no other options than to continue the communication.
Here I exploded and I sent her some angry sms's and mails. I called her a schizophrenical sl*t who has no feelings for her own mother and that she'll pay for everything sooner or later.
"Maybe I'm too rigid,
maybe I should give the FSUW one more chance".
The girl defended herself: "Oh c'mon, it's just a job! I don't care about those men! It's virtual, I'm not a h00ker! Are we in a relationship?!
maybe I should give the FSUW one more chance".
Pretty please, do us all a favor and do not give the FSUW any more chances. Thank you in advance :)
she's relatively sexy. Not as in "supermodel with silicon boobs", but more like arty / alternative / intellectual sexy. She wasn't exactly the type that I preffer, but who cares?
I mean this is it! This is what I was looking for!
I asked her to tell me the truth, promising that I will not be judgmental.
I didn't judge her. However, I told her that such job is not considered NORMAL by most people.
Most young FSUW want to be INDEPENDENT. They don't care about "cosy homes, making borsch and babies" and they are not family oriented. Words like "independence" and "freedom" are frequently repeated in my conversations with the young FSUW.
Hmm, slavery was abolished in Russia long ago, just in case you didn't know...
I was thinking what to do and finally I compromised my principles. Well, what the hell?
I just complained that she undresses for other people and never for me
Anyway, I had no other options than to continue the communication.
Here I exploded and I sent her some angry sms's and mails. I called her a schizophrenical sl*t who has no feelings for her own mother and that she'll pay for everything sooner or later.
1. stalking
2. anger management issues
3. verbal harassment
4. verbal life threat
Which (in best part of the US) reads as (at best) up to one year in a county jail for misdemeanor or up to four years in the state prison for felony.
"Maybe I'm too rigid,
Nope, why would you think that?! ;D
As it goes, the webcam stuff is getting quite big across the FSU. Lots of women do it now. Its an easy way to make some cash. There are thousands of women on those sites, nobody is likely to recognise them in the supermarket, their exact location isn't likely to be disclosed, its a very, very tame edge of the sex industry and actually a very safe one where the women can work within their own boundaries with zero risk. I don't think its a big deal actually.
Quote from: LFTSThe girl defended herself: "Oh c'mon, it's just a job! I don't care about those men! It's virtual, I'm not a h00ker! Are we in a relationship?!
And there she was spot on. She should have told you to take a hike at that point if you didn't like it.
You cannot start dictating stuff to women you have never met. You find out something you don't like? You move along. You dont stalk her and abuse her. That you did what you did shows you have way more issues than she does.
I'm not a taleban or a hardline conservative, not at all! I do like porn. I like to watch naked women,It just gets better and better.
the emperor has no clothes.
Ah, but it's ok if they're someone else's gf, wife or daughter. Keeps your conscience clear, does it?
If some of you guys don't have a moral problem with that, then think whether you would want to have such a gf, wife or a such daughter. Let's cut the politicaly correct BS. It's a fact that most of you won't like to be in a such situation.
Volshe, if something is not clear to you in my text, you could politely ask me for clarification and not rush to offend me. Now I will explain all the points that interested you, one by one.
I am a 'gal 'n hetero, so no wives for me :knit:
You have some exclusive ownership over all FSUW? And, no, I will not give them any more chances, don't worry. I don't want a wife who pushes dildos in her vagina in front of cameras and 1000s of cheering old perverts, who are masturbating and ejaculating. If you have no moral problem with that, then allow your wife or daughter to do that.
After seeing that many young FSUW are morally corrupted, shallow, lying and disrespectful, I have no wish to take such a SNAKE into my home. Not all of them are such, of course, I never said that. Some are good, some are bad, some are in a middle "gray" zone, like confused, not knowing what they do etc. Sure there are many wonderful women there, but they are mostly taken. They don't undress on porn sites, but they do honest jobs, they study and take care of their husbands and children. Sure that there may be good persons even among strippers and porn actresses, but c'mon, let's be f0kken realistic: that's not the kind of woman you would like to introduce to your parents. At least , that's how the majority of people think in this world. If you have no moral problem with that, feel free to marry such a woman.Ehem... "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her." I wouldn't want my hypothetical daughter to be on a sex cam, but then, i doubt anyone sane would. On the other side, it's not that she killed someone... Depending on one's perception, it can be viewed as her having fun, making a buck at the side etc. I am from a very conservative society, so it would be considered a shame here, but once again - my country is widely considered to be the most conservative in Europe, so we are not the measure here. That being said, i do think that you are overreacting, generalizing and also being very judgmental.
As it goes, the webcam stuff is getting quite big across the FSU. Lots of women do it now. Its an easy way to make some cash. There are thousands of women on those sites, nobody is likely to recognise them in the supermarket, their exact location isn't likely to be disclosed, its a very, very tame edge of the sex industry and actually a very safe one where the women can work within their own boundaries with zero risk. I don't think its a big deal actually.
Manny, thank you for confirming that many FSUW are doing that and that such "job" is considered "normal" over there. Everything I wrote in this thread is confirmed: many FSUW are morally corrupted. That's a total opposition to the "more family oriented, traditional and marriage minded women" that were so much advertised by the dating industry. The myths are crushed to pieces (which was the intention of this thread, thank you for helping that).
Quote from: LFTSThe girl defended herself: "Oh c'mon, it's just a job! I don't care about those men! It's virtual, I'm not a h00ker! Are we in a relationship?!
And there she was spot on. She should have told you to take a hike at that point if you didn't like it.
You cannot start dictating stuff to women you have never met. You find out something you don't like? You move along. You dont stalk her and abuse her. That you did what you did shows you have way more issues than she does.
SHE LIED THAT SHE IS SERIOUS, RESPONSIBLE AND STABLE ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS AND ABOUT LIFE IN GENERAL, WHICH MADE ME HOOKED. I WAS DECEIVED.
Later it became clear that she lied about that. First of all, she's irresponsible to her parents, she is irresponsible in relationships, she doesn't know what she wants, she is irresponsible with her morality and finally she is irresponsible with her health and the health of her sexual partner.
The girl defended herself: "Oh c'mon, it's just a job! I don't care about those men! It's virtual, I'm not a h00ker! Are we in a relationship?! We haven't even met, I'm single! I plan to quit anyway!". She added that many "decent women" from her city do that.
You see the girl that you like, dancing for other men, while they are typing like: "Yeah baby spread 'em, show us your pu$$y, shake that a$$, oh yeah now I will c*m" and so on.
Having no sence of shame,
I just complained that she undresses for other people and never for me :) She said would like that? Yes. And she did a session for me on skype.
this girl is stripping for all kinds of maniacs,
I was confused. Your big head says "No, she's just a sl*t", your small head says "But you enjoyed that striptease didn't you?"
I told her that we must care about eachother and she promised that once she gets her salary, she will make an intl hiv certificate and she will show it. Needless to say she never did it.
However, as the days went by, she began to be more and more distant and cold. I had to always initiate the conversation myself, because she stopped doing that. I asked her what is wrong now?
... You're a man who has lots of anger towards this woman.
Manny and Donhollio,
Later, she claimed that she's worried about her mother's feelings and promised to finally quit, but she proved not to give a f*ck about her own mother and she didn't quit.
- She liked my invitation for a meeting in real, I accepted all her conditions and I threw my principles down the toilet but she didn't appreciate that and never visited me.
- She promised that she'll make a std test and never did it. Of course, you don't ask a total stranger to make a test just like that! I asked about testing in a careful and tactical way when it was a right time: when we were already "close to eachother"; when we already had "virtual intimacy" and talked about sex openly; when we began to consider the ideas for meeting in real.
That's why I call her names such as a shizophrenic bitch. It's well deserved. Such people change every day / week / month (depends).
Irresponsible with her health? She isn't going to catch HIV down a webcam line. You were banging on about HIV tests and hadn't even booked a flight? Book a flight, offer to pay for the test and maybe you could bring this up.
So because she does a little webcam stripping she is not serious, responsible or looking for a relationship? Like one automatically prohibits the other?
Would you rather see her up at 6am slopping toilets out in some factory or carrying 30kg boxes in a market for less money like many women have to? Her life, her body, her choice.
but that money she makes and (most likely they live together) puts food on the table and keeps the electricity flowing.
Asking for a HIV test? You had yet to even meet, and you just assumed you would be fuking her nightly.
The girl in all probability shows a bit of flesh to strangers online in exchange for cash, just like many students do in the uk at strip clubs. I had a fling with a girl when we were both at Uni who danced and took home £1k a week tax free. I never planned to marry her but she was lovely and I got what other guys paid to watch. And guess what, she never ever caught an STD from guys shelling out £20's...
Who do you think you are? Sorry but you're just some random bozo giving her an unreasonable list of demands over der internet and asking her to quit her job when you've not even met!! Unreal...seriously mate take a reality check.
Manny, HOW OLD ARE YOU?He is 29.
Manny, people trust your opinions
Manny, HOW OLD ARE YOU?He is 29.
Manny, HOW OLD ARE YOU?He is 29.
And three quarters. :chuckle:
LFTS - You're a hysterical chauvinist with double standards. I read everything you wrote and it reeks of naivety.
The girl in all probability shows a bit of flesh to strangers online in exchange for cash, just like many students do in the uk at strip clubs. I had a fling with a girl when we were both at Uni who danced and took home £1k a week tax free. I never planned to marry her but she was lovely and I got what other guys paid to watch. And guess what, she never ever caught an STD from guys shelling out £20's...
LFTS,
You've more issues than vogue, you bitter individual.
I made many arguments to your rants, but for some reason you just overlooked them and didn't bother to reply. Maybe it's because I live in Russia, speak the language, and have "in reality" met thousands of great RW front and center. I also think you're wrong in your overall contentions.
Are there some bad RW? Of course. Is the culture one where it had to lie in order to survive? Yes, but you cannot take overall generalizations and apply them to each and every individual, nor can you disregard the individual dynamics of any particular relationship to that generalization.
But, maybe you can tell me why I've met many RW (too many to count 22+ year olds), whom would make great partners and wives, all single, available, and hungry for a good, honest, loving relationship, and you just meet the losers?
I don't agree with your overall views, so without going back over all of them, we can start with that question.
I made many arguments to your rants, but for some reason you just overlooked them and didn't bother to reply. Maybe it's because I live in Russia, speak the language, and have "in reality" met thousands of great RW front and center. I also think you're wrong in your overall contentions.
Are there some bad RW? Of course. Is the culture one where it had to lie in order to survive? Yes, but you cannot take overall generalizations and apply them to each and every individual, nor can you disregard the individual dynamics of any particular relationship to that generalization.
But, maybe you can tell me why I've met many RW (too many to count 22+ year olds), whom would make great partners and wives, all single, available, and hungry for a good, honest, loving relationship, and you just meet the losers?
I don't agree with your overall views, so without going back over all of them, we can start with that question.
I didn't generalize. I repeated 458 times that there're good fsuw. I don't know about the ones that you mention. After this "virtual prostitute", I'm even more mistrustful. Many girls have double lives, one for their families and another on porn sites, even though they may seem to you completely OK. Why I meet bad women? I don't know, that's what I found, that's available on the dating sites. I thank you for admiting that this person was bad and for not defending her, like the other guys do.
Danchik, i am not longingforthesouth, but i must say i think you hit the nail on the head here... Like attracts like. (Btw, i don't think the girl is a looser, i've heard of many and witnessed some "cases" where nice girls, due to circumstances, did stuff they weren't really proud of and then, after the circumstances changed, they went back to "normal"/ socially accepted.)
But, maybe you can tell me why I've met many RW (too many to count 22+ year olds), whom would make great partners and wives, all single, available, and hungry for a good, honest, loving relationship, and you just meet the losers?
I also don't think this women is some bad "loser".(Btw, i don't think the girl is a looser, i've heard of many and witnessed some "cases" where nice girls, due to circumstances, did stuff they weren't really proud of and then, after the circumstances changed, they went back to "normal"/ socially accepted.)
But, maybe you can tell me why I've met many RW (too many to count 22+ year olds), whom would make great partners and wives, all single, available, and hungry for a good, honest, loving relationship, and you just meet the losers?
I've seen many girls, who seemingly only wanted to party and have fun, become exemplary spouses and mothers with the right guy... More so, i think most of the young women - in FSU and elsewhere - are NOT obsessed with the idea to make borsch and babies since their very birth, that comes with time and with the right man. I think it's a social construct - that women there are so very much different than women anywhere; true - fashion and styling and level of maintenance may differ, but Eastern Europeans are your fellow humans, not an alien race ;DWell said Volshe.
I'm even more mistrustful.This is but a small part of your problem.
I also don't think this women is some bad "loser".
(Btw, i don't think the girl is a looser, i've heard of many and witnessed some "cases" where nice girls, due to circumstances, did stuff they weren't really proud of and then, after the circumstances changed, they went back to "normal"/ socially accepted.)
Well said Volshe.Thank you so much, Danchik. I enjoy your posts and read them with interest :)
I must say you're a breath of fresh air here, and I hope you continue to post and share your thoughts with the forum regularly. Welcome tiphat
Thanks for the update about visas to Croatia.Having been to Montenegro, I can say I really like the country, and that whole area (Croatia, Bosnia) is a short drive away should you want to take a quick look see at those countries. It's definitely worth a visit for anyone thinking of a place to vacation with your FSUW. It is visa-free for all RW (as is Croatia, Bosnia) and the Adriatic is IMO an underrated body of water.Thank you, Danchik, it's really nice to hear! :)
Also packed with single women in the summer for the worldly single guy looking for an alternative vacation spot.
We love Russians/ Russian-speaking and like foreigners in general, so all are welcomed ;D
AND i think the possibility to meet ladies here is really not advertised sufficiently - i blame it on our guys who really don't want to share us with anyone >:( ;D
Btw, since recently, Croatia had to introduce visas because they joined the EU... It's a pity, really, because they had a lof revenues from Russian-speaking tourists :(
However, even though one is needed now, it is extremely easy to get, and I highly recommend going there to anyone looking for, as you said, a beautiful place with beautiful women that is basically under the radar.Thank you, Danchik! :thumbsup:
But, maybe you can tell me why I've met many RW (too many to count 22+ year olds), whom would make great partners and wives, all single, available, and hungry for a good, honest, loving relationship, and you just meet the losers?
I thank you for admiting that this person was bad and for not defending her, like the other guys do.
If you read my post to Volshe, you'll see that I agree with her, and never admitted the girl was bad.
LFTS - You're a hysterical chauvinist with double standards. I read everything you wrote and it reeks of naivety.The girl in all probability shows a bit of flesh to strangers online in exchange for cash, just like many students do in the uk at strip clubs. I had a fling with a girl when we were both at Uni who danced and took home £1k a week tax free. I never planned to marry her but she was lovely and I got what other guys paid to watch. And guess what, she never ever caught an STD from guys shelling out £20's...
Guys, practice what you preach. Don't give me advices that you would never apply in your own life. If you have no principles and you are fine with this virtual prostitution, then buy yourself dildos, join some gay webcam site and do the work. Some pervert will pay you for a private chat and he'll force you to do all kinds of nasty stuff, while he will masturbate. But who cares, you will earn money and that's the most important, right? I don't think you'd do that.
Human dignity is not for sale. Maybe only in extremely "life or death" situations. Even then it's better to die than to be a wh0re. I despise this vulgar materialism and westernization of the FSU, that people like you condone. I do admire positive things about the West (democracy, rule of law, economy, popular culture), but there are many negative ones.
Look how you praised that stripper "who was making 1000 of pounds per week TAX FREE". Wow, what an achievement! As if she invented the alternated current or a cure for aids! Rosco, how much does human dignity costs without value added tax? Please let's talk using business terms such as "tax", "supply and demand" etc., as if we are talking about selling potatoes and not human dignity. Sarcasm intended.
Did you love her or it was just sexual? If you loved her, then how could you watch all that without any feelings? What kind of "love" is that without any jealousy? And did she love you? If yes, why she was doing this to you? Of course you didn't marry her, normal people usually don't marry such women, but you are convincing me to accept such a compromise. Practise what you preach.
I made many arguments to your rants, but for some reason you just overlooked them and didn't bother to reply. Maybe it's because I live in Russia, speak the language, and have "in reality" met thousands of great RW front and center. I also think you're wrong in your overall contentions.
Are there some bad RW? Of course. Is the culture one where it had to lie in order to survive? Yes, but you cannot take overall generalizations and apply them to each and every individual, nor can you disregard the individual dynamics of any particular relationship to that generalization.
But, maybe you can tell me why I've met many RW (too many to count 22+ year olds), whom would make great partners and wives, all single, available, and hungry for a good, honest, loving relationship, and you just meet the losers?
I don't agree with your overall views, so without going back over all of them, we can start with that question.
I didn't generalize. I repeated 458 times that there're good fsuw. I don't know about the ones that you mention. After this "virtual prostitute", I'm even more mistrustful. Many girls have double lives, one for their families and another on porn sites, even though they may seem to you completely OK. Why I meet bad women? I don't know, that's what I found, that's available on the dating sites. I thank you for admiting that this person was bad and for not defending her, like the other guys do.
I was 23 and at University enjoying a very relaxed, non committed period in my life. Thank god I wasn't stiff as a board like you otherwise I'd properly have missed out on growing up!
You find it uncomfortable that some people have lives that don't conform to your standard and that's the problem. It's an even bigger problem when you like them and you feel all angry and let down but again, that's your problem.
And well done for admitting that you're mistrustful and have no idea why you keep meeting 'bad' ones. It might be a dozen or so pages back but here it is again - take a look at yourself first before moving forward.
But, maybe you can tell me why I've met many RW (too many to count 22+ year olds), whom would make great partners and wives, all single, available, and hungry for a good, honest, loving relationship, and you just meet the losers?Maybe this is another one of your problems, non-native communication. I understand that English nor Russian is your native language. I can only imagine there is a lot of disconnect between you and a RW, and then you become defensive and start labelling girls as losers.
Danchik, you called the girl a LOSER first, but afterwards you say she's not bad? Are you changing your opinions so quickly? Like that shizophrenic girl who strips online? Or maybe you are now uncomfortable to criticise women, because Volshe joined the conversation? Don't worry, she seems to be a good person. She will not take it personally. It's not a crime if you have an opinion, you don't have to always be a "white knight". Say it as it is.
If you read my post to Volshe, you'll see that I agree with her, and never admitted the girl was bad. I don't know the girl in question and I don't know you, just your side of the story. I also try not to make these kinds of judgments about people I don't know well; talking to people over the internet without meeting them first doesn't give me much insight to their character or lives.I can't help but think you are your own worst enemy.
- In the beginning, she represented herself to me as a person who cares about relationships and takes them seriously. It was a lie. Later she admitted that she actually don't want to commit.
I was googling for the phenomenon of "white knights" (men who put women on pedestal and let them get away with murder) and what an irony, this demotivator mentioning "camwhores" popped up. On the photo: "How Tom and NS1 imagine themselves".
I was googling for the phenomenon of "white knights" (men who put women on pedestal and let them get away with murder) and what an irony, this demotivator mentioning "camwhores" popped up. On the photo: "How Tom and NS1 imagine themselves".
I never made any comments about this women or others. In this case, I think the issue is all you,
deflect anyway you want, but it won't change the fact you need help :)
I never made any comments about this women or others. In this case, I think the issue is all you,
deflect anyway you want, but it won't change the fact you need help :)
No, this lost young woman needs help to be cured from her "Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde" syndrome. Electroshock treatment would do the job.
^ You've covered schizophrenic and multiple-personality disorders. Perhaps you might address some of the cluster B disorders, such as narcissism and anti-social.
Buried inside the OP's mountain of trash/trashing is an important point: a man should never demand that a girl gets an STD test, unless he wants to insult her. He should only let her know that he is getting himself tested and allow her to make her own decision without duress.
It's a pity that you don't want to discuss narcissistic and anti-social personality disorders because they are my favorites.You have a point. I edited my previous post.
Isn't it time you quit your mindless raving and STFU? :Zzzzsleep:
It's a pity that you don't want to discuss narcissistic and anti-social personality disorders because they are my favorites.
you are an immature and irresponsible person.
Manny, you are a mature person and let's not argue over this, cause I'm right.
There are some universal limits of what is considered normal and acceptable and you will never change that.
Isn't it time you quit your mindless raving and STFU? :Zzzzsleep:
I'm warning people of the harsh realities behind the "Iron Curtain of the more family oriented FSUW". Behind that innocent façade, there's a total chaos and decadence. This info can save someones heart, wallet, health, even life. And open your eyes, there are 8 members and 30 guests currently reading this topic. The fact that you don't like my writings does not mean that some of these guests will not find them useful. It may make them think. And I'm sure they don't find them mindless at all.
I'm sure readers will judge for themselves. You're actually a good advertisement of 'What not to do with FSUW'.
You may have noted that a forum member has celebrated his nuptials recently. You may want to ask yourself why that isn't you?
We certainly know the answer.
You obviously don't.
... Your overspecializing of FSUW may misguide other men into risk of being hurt, deceived, scammed or even infected.
Ehem, LFTS, besides that many of our members here are already happily married to FSUW... I've just noticed the flag under your avvy, that's Macedonia, yes? If yes, why on earth would you travel anywhere to look for a girl, your own women are Eastern Europeans and drop-dead gorgeous too... And, please, don't give a bad name to your fellow countrymen who in ex-Yu were credited to be the best husbands ;DI'm sure readers will judge for themselves. You're actually a good advertisement of 'What not to do with FSUW'.
You may have noted that a forum member has celebrated his nuptials recently. You may want to ask yourself why that isn't you?
We certainly know the answer.
You obviously don't.
In the thread where Omega asked how many people have been married to a FSUW in the last few years, there were like 5 (FIVE) cases. Plus this, total: 6! WOW how impressive! Now you really got me. Obviously this FSU dating thing is very fruitful... not.
here is a guy who has high morals, but keeps on going with a girl when she tells her line of work.
If it were really an issue, you would have said right then, sorry this is not my thing, good luck, goodby.
I have read it, my boots don't go high enough to wade through the shit you are spewing,here is a guy who has high morals, but keeps on going with a girl when she tells her line of work.
If it were really an issue, you would have said right then, sorry this is not my thing, good luck, goodby.
I explained this like 458 times, feel free to re-read everything
I have read it, my boots don't go high enough to wade through the shit you are spewing,here is a guy who has high morals, but keeps on going with a girl when she tells her line of work.
If it were really an issue, you would have said right then, sorry this is not my thing, good luck, goodby.
I explained this like 458 times, feel free to re-read everything
please give your head a shake, and WTFU.
In the thread where Omega asked how many people have been married to a FSUW in the last few years, there were like 5 (FIVE) cases. Plus this, total: 6! WOW how impressive! Now you really got me. Obviously this FSU dating thing is very fruitful... not.
Slumba, I'm surrounded by big children, what do you expect? They disregard all the crucial values and principles that a responsible and mature person should hold. I wrote walls of text, tried to give good arguments etc., no one cares. Fine, I needed some relaxation and humour. If they are not serious, I will not be serious. Gimme a break.
Volshe, we'll talk more later, you see I'm like boxing alone against 10 people now. We are Balkanians you know ;) And yes, we are best husbands. This forum is like kafana (pub) where we make drunk arguments. Bottles, glasses and plates fly around while a gypsy brass orchestra plays. Check some old threads and you'll see. In real life I'm much more serious and behaved. Don't get upset plz.
T'ga za jug (longingforthesouth), in every decent kafana (Balkan pub so to say), there is a semi-naked smoking hot singer who shakes what her mama gave her, while the guys are making drunk arguments... Then the guy who 'won the argument' (beated the cr*p out of everyone else that is) takes home the singer and makes her a decent woman, that's how Balkan stories usually end...
We are not really prudes in Balkans, c'mmon ;D (And - fast forward to 21st century - a girl on cam is very similar to a kafana singer, true, many Balkan mother at first wouldn't be too happy with such choice of a daughter-in-law , but eventually they get over it, especially when the grandchildren come tiphat)
Can i ask..what's wrong with independence in an adult woman?
I kind of expect a grown women to be independent, or at least fully able to be,she wouldn't be very interesting individual otherwise?
Also I got hooked on FSU culture.
I learned russian by myself.
I'm sure readers will judge for themselves. You're actually a good advertisement of 'What not to do with FSUW'.
You may have noted that a forum member has celebrated his nuptials recently. You may want to ask yourself why that isn't you?
We certainly know the answer.
You obviously don't.
In the thread where Omega asked how many people have been married to a FSUW in the last few years, there were like 5 (FIVE) cases. Plus this, total: 6! WOW how impressive! Now you really got me. Obviously this FSU dating thing is very fruitful... not.
longingforthesouth, I appreciate your reply.
It is not my aim to convince you to my viewpoint. I gave it to you so you had some balance. Other guys did similar.
I have no axe to grind here. I have nothing to prove. I first went to the FSU in 1998. I eventually got married in 2006. We recently celebrated our 8th anniversary. We have a 5 year old daughter.
A friend of my wife's had a bad time a couple of years ago. Her husband left her and their kid and paid her no money. She had a really bad time. I met the girl a few times. She seemed alright. The family were struggling. The girl eventually ended up on the internet doing something she probably doesn't want to tell Papa about. After a few months she paid all her debts.
I'm sure readers will judge for themselves. You're actually a good advertisement of 'What not to do with FSUW'.
You may have noted that a forum member has celebrated his nuptials recently. You may want to ask yourself why that isn't you?
We certainly know the answer.
You obviously don't.
In the thread where Omega asked how many people have been married to a FSUW in the last few years, there were like 5 (FIVE) cases. Plus this, total: 6! WOW how impressive! Now you really got me. Obviously this FSU dating thing is very fruitful... not.
The thrust of my point wasn't about 'how many' people are married to FSUW but that you aren't married and aren't likely to be anytime soon.
LFTS, were you rejected by those near and dear to you as a child? You appear to have some serious cognitive dissonance which is likely derived from some deep trauma suffered in your formative years along with some sexual repression issues as you can't seem to be able to accept the independence of women and their freedom to express their sexuality as they see fit. Some latent homosexuality too, expressed by your frequent references to gays and sextoys.
I can only imagine there is a lot of disconnect between you and a RW, and then you become defensive and start labelling girls as losers.
I never called that girl a loser.
LftS
You complained at start about how all the FSUW are unserious and party girls, and I questioned where and how you are searching for an FSUW. Now, you find a 'internet porn' girl and are complaining about her lack of morals. So...how did you find her, how is it that your search came up with her? You keep finding all the 'flawed' FSUW. What are your priorities when going down the list of available FSUW on the internet? Maybe it is your search parameters that are flawed, that keep you from finding your 'homemaker'.
What happened with your talk with the mirror :dh:
Besides, what happened to your "I am ending the search for an FSUW"?
Face the reality Lon, milions of young FSUW are two-faced c*nts and that's a painfull fact that you will have to swallow. They are hypocritical, corrupted, irresponsiible and selfish to the core. Stop with this ridicilous "white knighthood". No one of those prostitutes will ever say "thank you" for that. And sure, there are some good fsuw, I never denied it. And stop psychoanalyzing me, I did nothing wrong. Someone else should be ashamed here! I'm not the one who prostitutes!
I can only imagine there is a lot of disconnect between you and a RW, and then you become defensive and start labelling girls as losers.
I never called that girl a loser.
He's right Dan, he never called her a loser, only a bitch, slut, whore, and.... uhh must be a few more in there.
Long South, this is what you can do to show you're serious about her, and you want her to quit making decent cash. Tell her you'll send her $1000.00 per month. That gives her $250 a week to enjoy life on, and frees up her cam time only for you. :loving:
Go meet the girl, and show her what a gem you are to her. Don't expect sex until you both have gone for a HIV test at a clinic in her area, and bring along a inturp so there is no chatter about getting a fake ones. Now since the virus can take six months before showing up on a test from the last time you had sex, be sure to return six months later and proceed with your passion filled romance.
#1 Pay her to get a shit pay job, so you can respect her
#2 Send $1000 USD per month to show your serious intentions
#3 Go meet her, get the tests done
#4 Return to have sex and let love bloom
I have to say we do know what we're talking about.
STOP BLAMING ME FOR EVERYTHING!
I never intentionally looked for a "porn girl"! Stop distorting my story! If you havent' read my text, please read it first and then comment.
This pathological defending of FSUW and blaming men for everything needs to finally end. Right f*cking now! What's wrong with you people?
Face the reality Lon, milions of young FSUW are two-faced c*nts and that's a painfull fact that you will have to swallow. They are hypocritical, corrupted, irresponsiible and selfish to the core. Stop with this ridicilous "white knighthood". No one of those prostitutes will ever say "thank you" for that. And sure, there are some good fsuw, I never denied it. And stop psychoanalyzing me, I did nothing wrong. Someone else should be ashamed here! I'm not the one who prostitutes!
This pathological defending of FSUW and blaming men for everything needs to finally end. Right f*cking now! What's wrong with you people?
This pathological defending of FSUW and blaming men for everything needs to finally end. Right f*cking now! What's wrong with you people?
"Pathological" is a good word, especially under the circumstances, but "advices" is not.
... I asked her about her job. She said: "Well... I'm answering calls...". I wrote jokingly: "Is that some hotline? You know, a number for phone sex?". I expected her to laugh with me, but her reply was: "Errrm... well, what would you think if a girl has such a job?". I said that I don't know (I've never been in a such situation). It was a moment of heavy silence.... I couldn't take it anymore, I asked her to tell me the truth, promising that I will not be judgemental.
I was thinking what to do and finally I compromised my principles. Well, what the hell? I can't have a serious relationship with such a girl, but we can communicate, maybe meet, have a romance, a holiday. If these women are not serious, why should I be? Why I'm always so naively looking for some "pure love" while these women are just sl*ts, shallow, cheaters, everyone's sleeping with everyone, it's all one latinoamerican soap opera. I was very busy in the recent period, I needed a relaxation in a female company. I don't mean just sex. I mean to spend a holiday with someone, to see things, at least to have a fake "relationship". You know, holidays are coming and singles can be emotionaly vulnerable. Also, I must mention that she never asked for any money! She even loudly stressed that she has no material interest in me!
I just complained that she undresses for other people and never for me :) She said would like that? Yes. And she did a session for me on skype. It was not too extreme, it was OK. And it was honest, cause I wasn't her customer, but a man that she likes. Afterwards we talked (as if we are lovers talking in bed after sex). It was romantic. She was telling me about all her life, childhood, family. She showed me pics from her childhood. She looked like an innocent angel together with her younger brother. I mean, this girl is stripping for all kinds of maniacs, but then she shows you family stuff. It was weird. But then, even strippers and prostitutes have souls, don't they?
I was confused. Your big head says "No, she's just a sl*t", your small head says "But you enjoyed that striptease didn't you?" and the heart says "Well, she has flaws, but you also did stupid things when you were young! She is an interesting person, maybe she will change?". No, she will never change. A wh0re is a wh0re. She was absent from the webcam site for a certain period. I though that maybe she finally quit, but then she re-appeared. Not only that she didn't quit, but she made new, even more provocative pics. She doesn't give a f. about her own mother, who now suffers and cries because she gave a birth to a wh0re and she asks herself: "What did I do wrong with her upbringing? Where is my daughter all night long?". If I was this mother, I would disown her, however, do you know the russian proverb: Яблоко от яблони недалеко падает (An apple falls under an apple tree). Maybe her mother was no better when she was young. The father, as the girl told me, is often absent for work and has no clue what his daughter is doing. Or maybe he doesn't exist at all. We know that many ru families consist of single mums and children.
This sl*t was shocked that I evaluated her as: not serious, unstable and a liar. I replied: "Well, that's what you are. But I don't hate you. I accept you the way you are with all your тараканы в голове (bugs in your head). Let's just have fun with no strings attached as YOU wanted. You won, no reason for you to be angry". Here she went mad and said that it's time to stop our communication before any serious argument occurs. She just asked me "not to remember her in a bad way", but to "remember just the good times". This is a typical FSUW hypocrisy: "I will behave as a sl*t, I will lie, play games with people and so on, BUT please don't hold a grudge on me" (Не держи на меня зла).
I replied: "What good times to remember? Did I feel good when I watched you dancing for other men? Or when you lied to me about love, relationships and so on? But anyway. You are what you are, I can't change you. Let's just meet, who cares about feelings, there's no love in this world, just egoism and interests". At this point she blocked me. My, my, this piece of sh*t got offended. Here I exploded and I sent her some angry sms's and mails. I called her a schizophrenical sl*t who has no feelings for her own mother and that she'll pay for everything sooner or later.
On the other hand, a huge % of young FSUW is westernized, they are vulgar materialists (not only the fancy divas, but even arty / intellectual women, whom you expect to be "deeper"). They are bitchy, arrogant, selfish, with no compassion, shame or self-criticism. They disrespect their love ones, they disregard love, family, fidelity, health. They sleep around, do drugs or are lesbians. They are an antipode of the "russian bride ideal", that is advertised by the dating industry. Also, many have mental issues like pathological hatred for men, they are confused between commitment & independence etc.
It's good that she showed her true colors on time. Even strippers and h00kers can have qualities. Some can be good mums, sisters or students. But what's the use of that, if you can't build anything serious with such a person? I'm not a conservative, but let's call things by their true names: she was, she is and forever she will be just a wh0re.
And how to avoid wh0res? Some imagine them as stereotypical silicon pornstars, but that's not always so obvious. Things are more complicated in the FSU. There, a modest-looking girl can have a SECRET LIFE. This girl doesn't walk on high heels in mini skirts and she doesn't have huge boobs (actually this one had small ones). She dresses in jeans and sweaters and doesn't go to trendy clubs. She's a good student, likes arts, pets and has a fat female friend from her class. When not working, she goes to bed at 10PM. Still, behind that mask, she is a wh0re. Trust no one. First shoot, then ask. Or better give up the idea of finding a FSUW. In most cases they're not worth the trouble.
This pathological defending of FSUW and blaming men for everything needs to finally end. Right f*cking now! What's wrong with you people?
I did nothing wrong. Someone else should be ashamed here! I'm not the one who prostitutes!
This pathological defending of FSUW and blaming men for everything needs to finally end. Right f*cking now! What's wrong with you people?
I did nothing wrong. Someone else should be ashamed here! I'm not the one who prostitutes!
Stop being such a drama queen. I am sure the portion in bold above should elicit the best responses possible from members readers who had any questions concerning your attitude/mindset.
What's next, my dad is bigger than your dad. Perhaps you will threaten to beat everyone into submission. Pure infant posting at it's finest.
You have been posting your drivel for quite some time. You have been exposed for what you are, an idiot at best.
LFTS for a man who claims to have good intentions and who has traveled as extensively as you claim there is an obvious disconnect. Guys who have any experience jump on a plane in short order to meet a girl in person. You on the other hand have it upside down. You demand that the girl travels to you, no commitment, just empty BS.
You phrase your arguments like you are a victim. Poor LFTS! You have made it quite clear that the girl must make all the effort, that she will pay to come see you. You made it clear that you were only cruising the dating sites as entertainment. You made it clear that you had all kinds of local girlfriends, no problems in this area.
Now after posting all this shyte you have the audacity to claim your innocence. When did you start lying to us?
No worries, it is a rhetorical question. It is clear you have been lying all along, if not to us, then absolutely to yourself.
You don't get it both ways.
You blubbering buffoon. You didn't do shit other than feel entitled to make demands. When it was clear you were not going to do anything other than make demands she dumped your sorry ass.
I became judgemental and angry AFTER she blocked me, which is pretty normal reaction. That's why the text is angry. I understood that she didn't appreciated the compromises that I made. I swallowed my pride, I accepted unpleasant things and even that was not enough for her. I really tried to be good with her (as much as I could).
Now gimme a break.
Stop crying like babushka! I have filled several pages with posts explaining everything, I have repeated myself like thousands of times answering the same questions over & over. Go and read!
When he is old enough he can get a passport, until then he's just a kid growing up. Think how tetchy you guys were in your mid teens, how you wanted to be a man but lacked the tools. It's harder for kids these days because they can pretend more easily than a few years ago.Amen.
Give him a decade or two and he'll turn into an average bloke like Justin or Jayh.
So much energy spent in defending this cheap sl*t, that you don't even know as if she's Blessed Mother Theresa of Calcutta or a saintess or something. You guys totally lost the plot. It's futile.
I can only imagine there is a lot of disconnect between you and a RW, and then you become defensive and start labelling girls as losers.
I never called that girl a loser.
He's right Dan, he never called her a loser, only a bitch, slut, whore, and.... uhh must be a few more in there.
DONHOLLIO, YOU HAVE PROBLEMS WITH READING AND YOU TOTALLY LOST A PLOT:
The sentence "I never called that girl a loser" was written by Danchik! Those are not my words! You rush to comment before checking everything properly. HERES A LINK TO HIS POST WHERE HE SAID THAT (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg386875#msg386875).
Long South, this is what you can do to show you're serious about her, and you want her to quit making decent cash. Tell her you'll send her $1000.00 per month. That gives her $250 a week to enjoy life on, and frees up her cam time only for you. :loving:
Go meet the girl, and show her what a gem you are to her. Don't expect sex until you both have gone for a HIV test at a clinic in her area, and bring along a inturp so there is no chatter about getting a fake ones. Now since the virus can take six months before showing up on a test from the last time you had sex, be sure to return six months later and proceed with your passion filled romance.
#1 Pay her to get a shit pay job, so you can respect her
#2 Send $1000 USD per month to show your serious intentions
#3 Go meet her, get the tests done
#4 Return to have sex and let love bloom
You kidding me? This is a joke, right? No, this can't be serious. Is this candid camera?????????
No, I don't plan to send 1000$ per month to that shizophrenic wh0re to buy her love. You mad? Is this the way you got married? Now that would explain a lot of succesful stories on this forum...
I don't need an a interpretor as I speak russian almost fluently, I'm not in a contact with her anymore and I don't plan to go there.
Btw tests should be made in advance before any meeting in real because: What if one of the partners shows positive? Imagine what drama that would be! Better to do such things before meeting in real, before any real-life sympathies develop. Your advices are TOTALY DISASTROUS! A RECIPE FOR HELL! Please tell me that you were joking so I can come down.
You confuse things, you don't read the whole stories and that's why you don't have a clue what are you talking about. Go back and read all the stories from the beginning.
longingforthesouth, I appreciate your reply.
It is not my aim to convince you to my viewpoint. I gave it to you so you had some balance. Other guys did similar.
I have no axe to grind here. I have nothing to prove. I first went to the FSU in 1998. I eventually got married in 2006. We recently celebrated our 8th anniversary. We have a 5 year old daughter.
A friend of my wife's had a bad time a couple of years ago. Her husband left her and their kid and paid her no money. She had a really bad time. I met the girl a few times. She seemed alright. The family were struggling. The girl eventually ended up on the internet doing something she probably doesn't want to tell Papa about. After a few months she paid all her debts.
I understand, I'm honestly really sorry for her situation. I ALREADY said that I could understand such a job if someone is really starving or if it is a "life or death" (in this case debt) situation. I'm not SO rigid. But if there's no real reason for that, why? Why to do that just because of some youth stupidity? Young people do stupid things for absolutely no reasons! The girl that I communicated with was not starving. She obviously picked some feminist stuff about being "independent". She spends her salary on things that are not crucial for surviving. She bragged that she bough some nice jeans, sweater and some dvd's or books (not for education purposes). Is it worth it to sell your intimacy and dignity for this nonsense? Definetly not.
Plus she has mental issues, which may also contribute to her behaviour. Maybe she has a "kink" for that as Volshe says. Maybe she likes the attention. Now, you may assume that she has some problems which she doesn't want to talk about (e.g. debts). Well, after learning about her job, I felt comfortable to talk about anything and I asked her: Is there something else important that you would like to reveal now? It's better to say it now, than if I learn about it later. She said NO. I asked once again, she said loud and clearly: NO. If she had problems, I'd help her (of course, if we would build a ser relationship and mutual trust). She has no extreme problems, this is just some pseudo-feminist bs. Old perverts give her all kinds of nasty orders and she fullfills them as if she's a dog or something. Nice "independence", yeah.
The whole board can't be wrong.
Can i ask..what's wrong with independence in an adult woman?
I kind of expect a grown women to be independent, or at least fully able to be,she wouldn't be very interesting individual otherwise?
As a result of that "independence" now there're women who are shallow, who don't want to cook or to take care of kids etc. and there're milions of divorces and disilusioned WM, who are forced to look for a wife abroad. I'm not a conservative, I just prefer more reliable and stable woman. That's my right. If a woman is looking for a serious relationship, she must be ready to sacrifice part of her independence and make compromises (the man also). Love is about both taking AND giving. Many FSUW don't understand this, they say like "I will do whatever I bloody want, you can compromise your principles and accept it or you can leave it". Well, excuse me, the woman also needs to cooperate. You can't be commited and independent at the same time. You can't have sex and remain a virgin at the same time. Is your wife independent? Are you married or not married? You get my point.
the bit that I found to be the most amusing was the way that he denigrated the girl for her occupation (and her paying clients), yet admitted that he availed himself of a free, private session on Skype... and blames FSU women for being hypocritical.
TomT, you can't equate intimacy between lovers and intimacy between a client and a h00ker. Your value system is totally confused and you should not be trusted or respected. It's normal for me to share intimacy with the person with whom I have mutual sympathy. Be it in real life or virtually. For free, of course! Do you pay your wife to give you sex and to love you?
AJ, , you cannot fight wars for peace and f*ck for virginity. We all voluntarilly sacrifice part of our independence when we get into a serious relationship or a marriage. We say like you are mine and I'm yours. Or you belong to me and I belong to you. Otherwise, would your wife tolerate if you sleep around? Would you tolerate if she does the same? Or if she shares her intimacy online? Put a finger on your head and think, my friend.
Speaking of financial independence, that's good, of course! I do respect women who work hard and earn money in an honest way.Well that seems enlightened!!
However, If it's earned by fullfilling orders of old perverts, that's not actually independence, that's surrendering yourself into sex slavery. It's "independence" only in the mind of that shizophrenic sl*t that I communicated with.
I have never even met her,
#1 Pay her to get a shit pay job, so you can respect her
#2 Send $1000 USD per month to show your serious intentions
#3 Go meet her, get the tests done
#4 Return to have sex and let love bloom
Donhollio suggests me that: I should send 1000$ each month to this shizophrenic girl, so I could keep her off that webcam site and that's how she will "love me". I have never even met her, she does not give a f. about me or even about her own family and I should pay this prostitute not to prostitute herself? Donhollio, did you use this method yourself? If yes, I don't envy that you're married. You are mad as a hatter. The value system of some people here is totally perverted. You guys should not be trusted.
I have never even met her,
Now, try to build a theory around that simple nugget of information.
I have never even met her,
Now, try to build a theory around that simple nugget of information.
Perhaps I should send her 1000$ every month as Donhollio says? Why you don't say anything about his "ingenious advice"? Bravo Manny, you totally lost all your credibility and my respect.
I have never even met her,
Now, try to build a theory around that simple nugget of information.
Perhaps I should send her 1000$ every month as Donhollio says? Why you don't say anything about his "ingenious advice"? Bravo Manny, you totally lost all your credibility and my respect.
Maybe a $100 on a flight would have been a good investment before you started dictating to, and abusing her.
Bravo Manny, you totally lost all your credibility and my respect.
It's obvious that MANY PEOPLE HERE PAYED TO BE "LOVED" AND TO GET MARRIED. This explains some of the "succesful stories".
LthS, which ones? Please be specific. Name names.It's obvious that MANY PEOPLE HERE PAYED TO BE "LOVED" AND TO GET MARRIED. This explains some of the "succesful stories".
Long South, this is what you can do to show you're serious about her, and you want her to quit making decent cash. Tell her you'll send her $1000.00 per month. That gives her $250 a week to enjoy life on, and frees up her cam time only for you. :loving:
#1 Pay her to get a shit pay job, so you can respect her
#2 Send $1000 USD per month to show your serious intentions
#3 Go meet her, get the tests done
#4 Return to have sex and let love bloom
You kidding me? This is a joke, right? No, this can't be serious. Is this candid camera?????????
No, I don't plan to send 1000$ per month to that shizophrenic wh0re to buy her love. You mad? Is this the way you got married? Now that would explain a lot of succesful stories on this forum...
No I only sent her about $500 a month. This allowed her to live reasonable while she waited for her visa.
Dude she's a cam girl, nothing else! I have taken your words and decided to make something of it
Manny, HOW OLD ARE YOU?He is 29.
And three quarters. :chuckle:
Dude she's a cam girl, nothing else! I have taken your words and decided to make something of it
Donhollio, don't avoid the answer like a woman. Look me in the eyes and answer my question: You suggested me to send 1000 dollars each month to a prostitute to buy her love (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg387117#msg387117), so you used that method yourself, right? Do you practise what you preach? Did you bought yourself a wife? You were sending 500$ per month. And how many other people on this forum did that and what are their names?
Manny, I'm still waiting for answers, don't hide, we know that you are reading this. You condone camwhores, prostitutes and all kinds of immoral things, so what is your opinion on Donhollio and his practices of buying women? You will condone them, too as in "well, not a big deal"?
Dude she's a cam girl, nothing else! I have taken your words and decided to make something of it
Donhollio, don't avoid the answer like a woman. Look me in the eyes and answer my question: You suggested me to send 1000 dollars each month to a prostitute to buy her love (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg387117#msg387117), so you used that method yourself, right? Do you practise what you preach? Did you bought yourself a wife? You were sending 500$ per month. And how many other people on this forum did that and what are their names?
Manny, I'm still waiting for answers, don't hide, we know that you are reading this. You condone camwhores, prostitutes and all kinds of immoral things, so what is your opinion on Donhollio and his practices of buying women? You will condone them, too as in "well, not a big deal"?
My view would be to look for a package deal - find a girl with a sister who is no more than 3 years younger, and try to get them on a 2-for-1 setup. Much cheaper.
Dude she's a cam girl, nothing else! I have taken your words and decided to make something of it
Donhollio, don't avoid the answer like a woman. Look me in the eyes and answer my question: You suggested me to send 1000 dollars each month to a prostitute to buy her love (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg387117#msg387117), so you used that method yourself, right? Do you practise what you preach? Did you bought yourself a wife? You were sending 500$ per month. And how many other people on this forum did that and what are their names?
Manny, I'm still waiting for answers, don't hide, we know that you are reading this. You condone camwhores, prostitutes and all kinds of immoral things, so what is your opinion on Donhollio and his practices of buying women? You will condone them, too as in "well, not a big deal"?
Dude she's a cam girl, nothing else! I have taken your words and decided to make something of it
Donhollio, don't avoid the answer like a woman. Look me in the eyes and answer my question: You suggested me to send 1000 dollars each month to a prostitute to buy her love (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg387117#msg387117), so you used that method yourself, right? Do you practise what you preach? Did you bought yourself a wife? You were sending 500$ per month. And how many other people on this forum did that and what are their names?
Manny, I'm still waiting for answers, don't hide, we know that you are reading this. You condone camwhores, prostitutes and all kinds of immoral things, so what is your opinion on Donhollio and his practices of buying women? You will condone them, too as in "well, not a big deal"?
Manny has gone to bed with his wifey, its 1:30am in his world. Since you won't stop hounding me (I have an idea what your cam girl went through) I'm not putting you on cam so I can't look into your eyes. :rolleye0009: I'm not sure why I find myself needing to explain this to you but here goes......
She has a child, her mom works 6 days a week, she's a doctor and makes decent money. Once I was committed to her I offered to send money, so that I would appear to be serious in the eyes of her mother, not some whack job promising the world and only giving idiotic demands. As well with her university degree she was able to get a full time job earning $120 a month. he 9-5 job interfered with our phone time due to the 10h difference, so I told her to quit, as the boss was on the fence about her monthly salary anyway. (:)
So there you go. I decided instead of her mom supporting her and her grand daughter, I would 'man up' and take the leaders role.
It's not my fault that the dating sites are recently full of not serious women. If I could find a serious one, it'd be no problem to win her heart.
Never having met her and the loss of contact was completely your fault, yet you are still blaming her. Adults should take responsibility for their actions and not shift the blame elsewhere, yet you are calling us immature.
p.s.
"Disrespected" is a term that inner-city American Blacks coined and erudite people avoid.
It's not my fault that the dating sites are recently full of not serious women. If I could find a serious one, it'd be no problem to win her heart.
Odd how others seems to manage OK on these sites, don't you think?
Perhaps all these "not serious" women prefer you fly to meet them rather than vice versa, perhaps they prefer not to be abused by a bloke damaged enough to think all cam women are hookers and whores, but enjoys a show anyway. Perhaps some do not want to be interrogated by a Keyboard Romeo who is too cheap to take a $100 flight to say hello but wants them to have a notarised HIV test handy. And perhaps others will be "not serious" because they can meet impecunious eastern European guys at home, and where you live may not have the same pull as America or Australia or someplace.
As for your sending money question, it isn't an avenue I would personally recommend. But that said, when in a proper relationship there may be circumstances where it is warranted as Don pointed out.
The problem with your tale does not lie with the woman in the story.
Manny, how could you be so "relaxed" about Donhollio's totally insane advice! You should have reacted harshly and warn people not to do or advice such things, when he wrote that! You are a mod here for Christ sake! You lost all the creditibily! You are not a serious person! You are defeated publicly by me with a knockout in front of all the readers of this forum! From now on your opionions don't mean nothing! ZERO!
Manny, how could you be so "relaxed" about Donhollio's totally insane advice! You should have reacted harshly and warn people not to do or advice such things, when he wrote that! You are a mod here for Christ sake! You lost all the creditibily! You are not a serious person! You are defeated publicly by me with a knockout in front of all the readers of this forum! From now on your opionions don't mean nothing! ZERO!
You are all big children! You should not be trusted! If some newbie follow your advices he would end heartbroken, sponsoring a prostitute, who can scam him or even infect him! He would end in a graveyard! Dear readers of this forum: don't trust these men!
Don was mocking a fool and the fool is the only one who doesn't get it.
^ The irony of a man, who whines about getting rejected by whore(s), calling married members defeated is lost on you.
Issue № 1: With all due respect to the older / experienced members, but they fail to understand that the times are changing and so is the dating scene. The FSU is not what it used to be 10,15 or 20 years ago. The tricks that they used with the FSU women back then are not working anymore.
It's not my fault that the dating sites are recently full of not serious women. If I could find a serious one, it'd be no problem to win her heart.
I can not understand your longing.
I might add that it is generally not done on RUA to use BOLD and larger type to voice your hurt.
^ The irony of a man, who whines about getting rejected by whore(s), calling married members defeated is lost on you.
Your opinions are no longer important. They are just farting in the wind. Pathetic little man.
^ The irony of a man, who whines about getting rejected by whore(s), calling married members defeated is lost on you.
Your opinions are no longer important. They are just farting in the wind. Pathetic little man.
How aptly you describe yourself.
A donkeys turd would be as the perfume of the gods compared to the bile that you spout.
Curious, there is little to judge you by but your screaming, now monotomeus tome and your insults. But your attitude and unwillingness to listen to others advice and insight is troubling.
In fact in Amsterdam I have seen it before, I am curious it is a trait that a larger group of Muslim's share, are you in fact Muslim?
What exactly are you hoping to achieve?
^ The irony of a man, who whines about getting rejected by whore(s), calling married members defeated is lost on you.
Your opinions are no longer important. They are just farting in the wind. Pathetic little man.
How aptly you describe yourself.
A donkeys turd would be as the perfume of the gods compared to the bile that you spout.
Now you definetly got me with this ingenious "counterargument". Instead of a medal, here's a golden dildo. You can join a webcam site, since you so fanaticaly condonde such practises.
La commedia è finita.
........guesses, anyone?
After being defeated, Manny has nothing to say except defocusing with irrelevant bs and childish smileys (as in his last comment).
He condones selling human dignity (even with no necesity) and shady webcam businesses (is he involved in them?). He disregards hiv prevention. He's relaxed about people who "impress" desperate single mothers with money. He has not much problem if people buy "love" by sponsoring prostitues & camwhores. Shady....
Yes, you've all been defeated as in that soccer match Brazil - Germany 0:7. There are shady characters here, whose methods to find a wife are questionable. Seeing that some men don't have scrupules, I'm afraid that they may be involved in shady businesses. I'm not a moralist, I'm just telling things as they are.
I better avoid it and dedicate to work, edu and things that really matter. If some honest men want to share opinions, I made an email: longingforthesouth. . . . If that's against the rules, remove it.
Some people bought their wifes. Don was sending his gf 500$ per month to show her mum that he is "serious". He didn't mention personal qualities, only money. If this is a way to be considered "serious" and if her mum was "selling her", then there's something tasteless going on. Helping a single mum is noble, but Don equated his wife to my camgirl. He suggested that I send money (1000$) just as he did, to buy that camgirl off that site. I asked: you KIDDING? He said no. If I was his wife, I'd divorce him.
Being financialy stable is required in this search, but if you rely only on it, you are not a real man. The FSU dating was supposed to be about real men looking for honest women. Not about buying prostitutes or desperate single mums.
Manny is a mod, but he didn't react to Don's behaviour. Manny ridiculed my ethics and called me "a priest". He also ridiculed honest work (like: better to strip than to do hard labour). Asked about Don, Manny replied "softly" like: I don't recommend that, but it's an individual choice. He broke the principles: Don't send money, be a real man, attract a woman with your qualities and don't risk being scammed.
. . . AvHdB even compared me to a "muslim" (which I'm not), just because I have some boundaries. If you are all SO liberal, then you can suggest to join a webcam site to your wife, daughter, sister, mother and everyone female in your family.
. . . He (Manny) criticized me for inviting her to my country. He pretends not to know that many FSUW are well traveled. You can find them even in Goa and Thailand. There was no need for me to fly to her and meet her family, as she demanded a no-strings-attached holiday and I accepted her conditions.
All of you guys defended a shady camgirl who lied, broke promises and disrespected me and even her familiy. You condone hypocrisy. If she's brave to strip for strangers, she should have been brave to say it immediatly, so I could make an informed choice.
I was accused that I'm a hyprocrite, cause I like porn. But I don't want to marry a pornstar. If you like horror movies, you marry a monster? If you like comedies, you marry a clown? No, it's just entertainment. Porn is adult entertainment. Pornstars do it openly, while this camgirl is hypocritical. She told me about her secret too late and reluctantly.
People also attack me, because I asked her for a "sexy show" on Skype, while I criticized her job. You can't compare intimacy between lovers AND intimacy between strippers and clients. You all have mental issues.
This girl's secret suprised me. I had dillemas, I'm not a robot. It was too late to get out of this virt relationship. I tried to make the best of it (When life gives you lemons...). I accepted her demands, but it didn't help.
I never demanded anything, I just hoped that she will leave her job and she PROMISED that, but she never did it. I reasonably suggested std testing at a right moment. If she's is prostituting virtually, maybe she is doing it in real life. Everyone can catch hiv. She promised to do a test, but never did. You guys ridiculed this, which shows your irresponsibility. I also begged her not to hurt her mum, but she continues that.
This girl is a monster and she'll pay for it. I wish she spends her salaries in a pharmacy. I wish that her house is showned on TV, when there are reports about wars and fires.
She is not important anyway. Then, what's really important? Many FSUW are simply corrupted. She's just one of the milions such women.
Xmas and New Year are coming. Single men can be emotionally vulnerable. Some may compromise their principles just not to be alone. Don't do that. It's not worth it. I'm glad that I made compromises only virtually and not in real life. I'm happy I never met her. I'm happy I didn't bring such SNAKE in my home.
I never denied there are many good FSUW. And many good men, who helped me like a brother and feeded me until I exploded. I'm sad that I haven't wrote any nice travelogues, but this thread took all my time.
I have no problem to find girls in the FSU or locally. I had attractive ones in my life. However, now I'm single and I want to find someone special, who'll fullfill me 100% physicaly and intellectually. This is hard. It's better to be single than to sell yourself to a shady woman.
I hope that all honest men will find the right FSUW for them. If not, these men should abandon the search and stop feeding this "FSU dating" nonsense.
P.S. Tom be quiet, if I spit, you'll drown.
This girl is a monster and she'll pay for it. I wish she spends her salaries in a pharmacy. I wish that her house is showned on TV, when there are reports about wars and fires.
Perhaps this entire thread should be moved over to the "Train Wreck area".
Don has a sense of humour
Long South, this is what you can do to show you're serious about her, and you want her to quit making decent cash. Tell her you'll send her $1000.00 per month. That gives her $250 a week to enjoy life on, and frees up her cam time only for you. :loving:
Go meet the girl, and show her what a gem you are to her. Don't expect sex until you both have gone for a HIV test at a clinic in her area, and bring along a inturp so there is no chatter about getting a fake ones. Now since the virus can take six months before showing up on a test from the last time you had sex, be sure to return six months later and proceed with your passion filled romance.
#1 Pay her to get a shit pay job, so you can respect her
#2 Send $1000 USD per month to show your serious intentions
#3 Go meet her, get the tests done
#4 Return to have sex and let love bloom
You kidding me? This is a joke, right? No, this can't be serious. Is this candid camera?????????
No, I don't plan to send 1000$ per month to that shizophrenic wh0re to buy her love. You mad? Is this the way you got married? Now that would explain a lot of succesful stories on this forum...
No I only sent her about $500 a month. This allowed her to live reasonable while she waited for her visa.
I have taken your words and decided to make something of it
Once I was committed to her I offered to send money, so that I would appear to be serious in the eyes of her mother
She is I'm sure worried about her mom finding out what she does for a living, but that money she makes and (most likely they live together) puts food on the table and keeps the electricity flowing.
Lovers? Did I missed something? You pulled up your knickers, left your computer and went somewhere?
We even had one guy whose wife became a stripper after she came here at his urging. Gotta pay the bills baby....:-)
For sure, in an ideal world, guys may not want to meet a cam girl. But delve our archives and guys have babies with pole dancers and strippers. Its a big subject and maybe not one for the puritanical or overly religious. But the language you use tells us all we need to know really. Such a girl isn't for you. So why are you still ranting? Move on. Find a village girl who only knows how to milk her goat. :biggrin:
LFTS saidYep, he sure did milk that goat.
We liked eachother with the girl. Honestly.
You mean you "liked" yourself while you watched this girl. I can assure you that she had no feelings for you.
longingforthesouth,
You have lousy taste and manners for communication. If you think that you will be in Russia in decent society, then you are sadly mistaken! tiphat
Bye-bye / Пока-пока!
Andrewfi, imagine, you talk to a woman (let's say that she's blind and she accepted to talk to you). You communicate for weeks and strong emotions develop. You fullfill eachother intellectually and emotionally. You think: this must be it. But you feel that she is not telling you everything. You patiently ask for an answer. After a while she opens and tells you that she has a penis. What would you do? I mean, you are a tolerant person, so....How many times does it have to repeated? With a cognitive deficit of such epic proportion it's no wonder she's given you the cold shoulder.
Andrewfi, imagine, you talk to a woman (let's say that she's blind and she accepted to talk to you). You communicate for weeks and strong emotions develop. You fullfill eachother intellectually and emotionally. You think: this must be it. But you feel that she is not telling you everything. You patiently ask for an answer. After a while she opens and tells you that she has a penis. What would you do? I mean, you are a tolerant person, so....
longingforthesouth,
You have lousy taste and manners for communication. If you think that you will be in Russia in decent society, then you are sadly mistaken! tiphat
Bye-bye . . .
I know that Russia is not a decent society, thanks for confirming what I'm saying all the time. Unfortunatelly. That makes me sad. Because I like traditional Russia. Russia of writers, composers, folklore, traditions, museums, old churches etc. . . .
I don't like this westernized "Russia" of webcam sites, strip bars, sponsors, vulgar materialism and shady western businessmen who make money out of your sisters and daughters.
But if you are a man and if you try to make a normal conversation, you will be attacked from all sides, called names, blamed for everything, they will distort your words and finally, once you are up against the wall, you will have two options: to face them and fight OR to turn them your (excuse my word) backside. Such "sport" is not for me, so I decided to fight till death.I suspect the so-called lurkers are thinking OMG. ??? The truth is you are the only person screaming. Have you ever read the novel of M. de Cervantes, Don Quixte, the only thing you are lacking is Sancha Panza, I doubt you will find him trolling RUA.
I can be banned, moved, killed or whatever, it will not stop the truth. Guests are reading this, though they don't actively take part in the debate. Even if this thread is deleted, there are places on the internet that keep cached copies.
Many western men went to Russia to look for more traditional women, not for copies of western women. That was the whole point. I have enough shallow women in my country (I have lots of criticism about my country, as well), so why would I travel all the way to Russia to find the same kind of women? The problem is that many foreign men have been misguided by the dating industry. They have been told that milions of family oriented russian women are waiting for them. My goal was to debunk such myths or exagerations and I achieved everything that I wanted. Now I can just open a champagne, but I don't drink alcohol.
I had to beat everyone here and to make my point heard: Many russian women, unfortunatelly, are corrupted. I'm NOT a hardline moralist, but . . .
If someone decided to be a prostitute, stripper or a pornstar, OK! I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST IT! If someone wants to be gay, FINE! But I will not tolerate any hypocricy, double morality and playing games with people's feelings. People need to be told the truth from the very beginning, so they can make an informed choice. My choice are not strippers or prostitues. My choice was a quiet, cute girl. It's not MY fault that she had a dirty secret, that I learned too late. That's called hyprocrisy. Double morality. Living paralel lives.
Also, that girl had many other issues except being a stripper. That's the least problem. She hurt her own parents and made them suffer (normal people are not proud if their child becomes a virtual prostitute), she broke promises, she disregarded our health, she had certain psychological problems and so on.
Russian women, look deep inside yourself. You are human beings. Let's be honest now, if I wasn't harsh, you would never bother to hear my point. Thanks for reading this.
Andrewfi, imagine, you talk to a woman (let's say that she's blind and she accepted to talk to you). You communicate for weeks and strong emotions develop. You fullfill eachother intellectually and emotionally. You think: this must be it. But you feel that she is not telling you everything. You patiently ask for an answer. After a while she opens and tells you that she has a penis. What would you do? I mean, you are a tolerant person, so....
The point of this thread is that many young FSUW are corrupted. They are the opposite of that "more family oriented" ideal that many of us are looking for.
The point of this thread is that many young FSUW are corrupted. They are the opposite of that "more family oriented" ideal that many of us are looking for.
I would tend to agree that many young FSUW are not suitable for marriage.
In the younger ages there are many party girls, or girls who change their mind
each time the wind changes direction. Also many people look for FSUW in the
wrong places. It's common enough that Kenny Rogers wrote a song about it.
Looking for love in love in all the wrong places. I know I spent plenty of time
doing that myself.
Just look at AvHdB ingenious advices, he should get a Nobel prize. He suggests me to visit a psychitarist or a preacher. As far as I see, it's not me who plays with dildos for old perverts on webcams for money and I don't have shizophrenical changes of my personality (actually I'm quite consistent and persistent with my beliefs, though as all humans, sometimes I do make compromises). Many girls here need a good shrink, not me. Most of the comments are a total perversion of common sense.
Andrewfi, imagine, you talk to a woman (let's say that she's blind and she accepted to talk to you). You communicate for weeks and strong emotions develop. You fullfill eachother intellectually and emotionally. You think: this must be it. But you feel that she is not telling you everything. You patiently ask for an answer. After a while she opens and tells you that she has a penis. What would you do? I mean, you are a tolerant person, so....
If you think going on a webcam or stripping, to earn money, is the same as a ladyboy ... you might be amoronLFTS
If you think going on a webcam or stripping, to earn money, is the same as a ladyboy ... you might be amoronLFTS
ltfs conflated this stuff because for him they are all the same. Kinda like some remote societies whose language has no concept of large numbers, they count 1,2,3,many. No difference between 4 and 400.
Our hero has issues with sex and sexuality and thus for him anything concerned with sex is 'many' it is dirty and repugnant. For him homosexual sex is the same, and equally repugnant as a gentle act of heterosexual voyeurism.
My guess is that ltfs finds this very confusing because he does not understand his reactions to sex. Imagine, if you will, being a normally heterosexual person who is unable to discern any difference between his reaction to a male encounter or a female encounter. He knows because he has been taught so that heterosexual activity is normal, OK, but homosexuality is not. But he feels revulsion toward both types of encounter.
Can you imagine the poor guy's confusion and misdirected anger?
Just look at the effort ltfs is going to in order to create scenarios that enable him to rationalise his anger. Imagine the effort required to rationalise how he can be the only normal man in a world of perversion and madness. Poor guy is under huge stress and something will break if it has not already done so.
Bulgakov was a genius.
What Annushka is politely saying and what you do not or will not comprehend is that everyone finds there own level in society. Based on your responses and your sordid tale I fear it will not be very high.
Oh, these hot guys from the Balkans! Gypsy passion!!! :chuckle:
Oh, these hot guys from the Balkans! Gypsy passion!!! :chuckle:
Bringing Roma people to all of this is totally uncalled for imho. They have enough problems and are being discriminated as it is, leave them alone.
I have more respect to a hot guy from the Balkans who severs his penis than to any other man who continues to torture women.
Analyzing the degree of recombination regions of the genome, the authors found that the ancestors of the Roma left northwest India around fifteen hundred years ago and appeared in the Balkans about 900 years ago.
God forbid, I do not know what to answer.....Neither do i... I detest generalizations and biases, and in particular when those generate more prejudices against the ethnic minorities who have suffered throughout history. (Which was basically the point of my previous post.) But then in reply we got more stuff - this time about yet another nation, more "prostitutes" and what not ??? No comment.
A little bit of relaxation never killed anyone
(well... except when the balkanians shoot in the air at weddings... :eeekk:).
Annushka, do you know a recipe to pickle severed penises?
But then in reply we got more stuff - this time about yet another nation, more "prostitutes" and what not ???
But then in reply we got more stuff - this time about yet another nation, more "prostitutes" and what not ???
Volshe, I never generalized that "all ru women are bad". I've nothing against them, we share many common things. I'm just not happy with some bad things that happen there. Also, I'm well versed in their culture and language (I've learned by myself). I even explained Annushka my thoughts (click here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg387525#msg387525)), but I guess her english is not so good (mine is no better).
But to put all FSUW on a pedestal would mean positive generalization, and that's wrong. Always blaming men is wrong, too. I'm not guilty for all the evils on this planet. And the other guys here are not SO flawless, righteous and virtuous. Many proved to be questionable and shady characters who don't care much about ethics, responsibility and common sence.
Speaking of this weird story about a guy who cut his .... Hehe, I don't take it as a personal insult. I didn't even react to it. Btw there're worse things in my country (e.g. politicians and so on).
I have more respect to a hot guy from the Balkans who severs his penis than to any other man who continues to torture women.
Well said, Orchid! Me too.
I have more respect to a hot guy from the Balkans who severs his penis than to any other man who continues to torture women.
Well said, Orchid! Me too.
Well not sure I would cut of my Willy (have to first find it) :ROFL: But I understand the sentiment.
While Volshe may be correct based on previous posts Longing for the South I guess should be between the age of 35 to perhaps 45. But it does not really matter if he is 22 or 66 he should try to find some one who can hear him directly and ask him difficult questions. He certainly does not hear or refuses to understand what we can 'see' and read.Av, i did think of LFTS as of, if not late teen, then maybe (very) early twenties. It makes difference to me, because i understand it when someone that young gets very emotional and, like, looses their cool; 35-45 is my own age range and there is all another set of expectations (not by me only, but by the society in general, right?)
Annushka, do you know a recipe to pickle severed penises?
I think like Kapusta. Vinegar, water, some onions, and a heavy weight........
AvHdB, why I keep on echoing them? Because that's what I'm interested about.
They have a right to do whatever they want in their lives, but playing games with single men is not right.
Many are just killing time on the dating sites and are not actually looking for anyone; many cheat on their local boyfriends (which can be checked on the social networks); many don't want to commit, but prefer to be independent; some are confused; some have unrealistic expectations; some are hypocritical and have double lives (e.g. prostitutes,strippers); some don't mention that they have kids etc. Some are materialists, but the worst are those who don't know what they want.
Volshe, no, it's not so banal like: "this guy was rejected and now he's bitching". I've started this thread long before I even met this girl online. She is not an isolated case, but one of the milions. Feel free to review this thread from the very start by clicking here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg381180#msg381180). Also, 3 years ago I was talking about these problems in another thread.
Many FSUW on the dating sites are not serious. They have a right to do whatever they want in their lives, but playing games with single men is not right. Many are just killing time on the dating sites and are not actually looking for anyone; many cheat on their local boyfriends (which can be checked on the social networks); many don't want to commit, but prefer to be independent; some are confused; some have unrealistic expectations; some are hypocritical and have double lives (e.g. prostitutes,strippers); some don't mention that they have kids etc. Some are materialists, but the worst are those who don't know what they want.
Not only very young women do this (e.g. student age), but many even in their early 30's. This is an antipode to the "more family oriented" ideal that was so heavily advertised by the dating business. Many of us were looking for that ideal. By talking about these problems openly, we may save many foreign men from trouble. Many foreign men still believe in that "social construct" (as you properly called it) that the FSUW are radically different than their western counterparts. No, they're not. Sure, there are some wonderful exceptions, but they are not called exceptions for nothing. And ussually they prefer locals and many are happily married or taken by locals, who are not all raging alcoholics (the dating industry claimed that "there are no quality men in the FSU", which is not true).
The goal of this thread was to crush all those myths.
Volshe, most young FSUW are not dying to get married at 20 and something and to make borsch and babies, this is not true. Sorry. Once you admitted that it's mostly a "social construct", but now you are denying your own words.
I don't know when you were studying in Moscow, but times are changing radically. Trends change, the ru economy changes, everything changes, it's globalization, westernization. There's no huge difference between youngsters around the world.
Also, you are a lady and you are not searching for a FSUW (unless you are interested in girls, which I doubt), so I don't think that you are following all the recent developments and trends in the FSU dating scene. You don't see on your computer screen what I see.
I elaborated everything in detail, feel free to review this thread from it's first post (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg381180#msg381180), no need for me to repeat myself. To say that all that I wrote is just (excuse my language) BS, is not right. Please read it first and then comment. I took my time to elaborate everything as if it's a "doctoral thesis" as I jokingly called it. It includes elements of sociology, psychology and other fields. It's not just bunch of "bitching and moaning of some guy who got rejected".
Your suggestion about moving to work or study in the FSU just to find a partner is too much. The whole point of this FSU dating thing was that it can be made online and that "there're milions of young FSUW willing to marry and to relocate". But in reality, things are not so simple. Maybe there was some truth in that like 10-15-20 years ago, but the percent of women willing to relocate was small then, now it's even smaller.
You are a lady, you are not looking for a FSU girlfriend, so you are not facing the problems that we, single men, are facing.True too.
Now I really feel stupid that I have to repeat same things over and over. This wouldn't be necesary if you read the previous posts from the very beginning. There you can find all the answers.I read your posts, i think that everyone who replied did, because the replies are on topic, no? I think most tried to point out some other approaches and other points of view. What is the exact situation on the FSU online dating scene, that i don't know and i doubt there are credible surveys. But let us presume that you proved your point, for yourself you are right, so what now? Let's assume that indeed the girls you meet as of lately are downright исчадия ада, they get presented otherwise for one reason or another, for commercial or other reasons. So what?
a guy who thinks that there are millions of 20y old drop-dead models in FSU dying to marry just about anyone, regardless of their age, looks and social standing, with an exclusive mission to become a baby & borcsh factory?
Being prolix , self-righteous, and self-aggrandizing is no way to go through life.
a guy who thinks that there are millions of 20y old drop-dead models in FSU dying to marry just about anyone, regardless of their age, looks and social standing, with an exclusive mission to become a baby & borcsh factory?
That is the funniest quote I have read here in ages. :ROFL:
... Most FSU women DON'T want to be with you. But that has very little to do with them wanting or not wanting to be with another foreign guy.
I am 32, live in Miami, have a university degree and work for an international pharmaceutical company. I agree with you.
After four trips to the FSU, (Not Odessa).
Most men on the forum are over 50, and the women from 40-50 are much more serious.
It is hard to find a good and beautiful woman aged between 25 and 30.
What a screed :Zzzzsleep:
Where does one begin.
OK it is in fact simple get on the effing plane and visit a city, go to café and talk with real live women. Offer to buy a second cup of joe, (avoid the girls drinking espresso). They normally will not bite unless asked.
Let us know what happens.
You can apply the above to the local place or some where in the former Soviet Union. If you insist on using a site such as Elena's you will hear our opinions, mostly negative. Since you seem to be looking for an "ideal" a free clue. there are none. Some one can grow to be your ideal but mostly it is about compromise and acceptance. Until you learn these skills your potential success is doomed.
I am 32, live in Miami, have a university degree and work for an international pharmaceutical company. I agree with you.
After four trips to the FSU, (Not Odessa).
Most men on the forum are over 50, and the women from 40-50 are much more serious.
It is hard to find a good and beautiful woman aged between 25 and 30.
lookingforhisbrain, aka lookingforthesouth, you don't deserve an FSU or any good woman. You will find only what you are prepared to find and what you deserve. Get used to disappointment. :smokin:
I am 32, live in Miami, have a university degree and work for an international pharmaceutical company. I agree with you.
After four trips to the FSU, (Not Odessa).
Most men on the forum are over 50, and the women from 40-50 are much more serious.
It is hard to find a good and beautiful woman aged between 25 and 30.
lookingforhisbrain, aka lookingforthesouth, you don't deserve an FSU or any good woman. You will find only what you are prepared to find and what you deserve. Get used to disappointment. :smokin:
comment on the topic if you have anything wise to say, if you don't, better be quiet.
lookingforhisbrain, aka lookingforthesouth, you don't deserve an FSU or any good woman. You will find only what you are prepared to find and what you deserve. Get used to disappointment. :smokin:
comment on the topic if you have anything wise to say, if you don't, better be quiet.
Fools like you never listen to wise men in the first place. The only person who should be quiet is yourself, but you cannot help yourself from stepping on your own dick. :laugh:
lookingforhisbrain, aka lookingforthesouth, you don't deserve an FSU or any good woman. You will find only what you are prepared to find and what you deserve. Get used to disappointment. :smokin:
comment on the topic if you have anything wise to say, if you don't, better be quiet.
Fools like you never listen to wise men in the first place. The only person who should be quiet is yourself, but you cannot help yourself from stepping on your own dick. :laugh:
:offtopic:
lookingforhisbrain, aka lookingforthesouth, you don't deserve an FSU or any good woman. You will find only what you are prepared to find and what you deserve. Get used to disappointment. :smokin:
comment on the topic if you have anything wise to say, if you don't, better be quiet.
Fools like you never listen to wise men in the first place. The only person who should be quiet is yourself, but you cannot help yourself from stepping on your own dick. :laugh:
:offtopic:
Look at all those cities you've visited in the FSU. Then you come on this forum looking for sympathy for your wretched behavior. Clearly you are a sex tourist who thinks that the skanks he hires for a weekend of fun should want to scrub his floors, wash his dishes and have his offspring. Like I said, get accustomed to disappointment. :smokin:
I am 32, live in Miami, have a university degree and work for an international pharmaceutical company. I agree with you.
After four trips to the FSU, (Not Odessa).
Most men on the forum are over 50, and the women from 40-50 are much more serious.
It is hard to find a good and beautiful woman aged between 25 and 30.
When I met my wife first, she thought of internet-dating as a joke, not to be taken seriously.
She was 28 at the time.
After that meeting, she considered emigrating to my country.
After the second meeting, she was sure. Now we're married and have a 4 year old son.
So not-so-serious women can be made serious , if you are the right guy for her.
Mark.
lookingforhisbrain, aka lookingforthesouth, you don't deserve an FSU or any good woman. You will find only what you are prepared to find and what you deserve. Get used to disappointment. :smokin:
comment on the topic if you have anything wise to say, if you don't, better be quiet.
Fools like you never listen to wise men in the first place. The only person who should be quiet is yourself, but you cannot help yourself from stepping on your own dick. :laugh:
:offtopic:
Look at all those cities you've visited in the FSU. Then you come on this forum looking for sympathy for your wretched behavior. Clearly you are a sex tourist who thinks that the skanks he hires for a weekend of fun should want to scrub his floors, wash his dishes and have his offspring. Like I said, get accustomed to disappointment. :smokin:
Yes, I've visited many places in the FSU, how many have you visited? Let's hear about your achievements? ...... (Silence... zrrr - zrrr... crickets). Have you ever had at least one FSU girlfriend at all? Or a goat at least? Something? But who am I talking to. Supporting member? Ah, now I understand. Your job is to troll and defocus? Maybe you are affiliated with EM or other dating businesses? C'mon tell us. No one will know, only me and the rest of the english speaking world.
lookingforhisbrain, aka lookingforthesouth, you don't deserve an FSU or any good woman. You will find only what you are prepared to find and what you deserve. Get used to disappointment. :smokin:
comment on the topic if you have anything wise to say, if you don't, better be quiet.
Fools like you never listen to wise men in the first place. The only person who should be quiet is yourself, but you cannot help yourself from stepping on your own dick. :laugh:
:offtopic:
Look at all those cities you've visited in the FSU. Then you come on this forum looking for sympathy for your wretched behavior. Clearly you are a sex tourist who thinks that the skanks he hires for a weekend of fun should want to scrub his floors, wash his dishes and have his offspring. Like I said, get accustomed to disappointment. :smokin:
Yes, I've visited many places in the FSU, how many have you visited? Let's hear about your achievements? ...... (Silence... zrrr - zrrr... crickets). Have you ever had at least one FSU girlfriend at all? Or a goat at least? Something? But who am I talking to. Supporting member? Ah, now I understand. Your job is to troll and defocus? Maybe you are affiliated with EM or other dating businesses? C'mon tell us. No one will know, only me and the rest of the english speaking world.
The Women in his home country are wrong.
The Women in the Fsu are wrong.
The posters of the board are also wrong.
And god brings us his gift!
A 24 year old girl (Bimbo, Arty type, Whore, Saint, Angel) doesn't have to surrender herself for a 38 year old man who comes knocking if she doesn't want to.
lookingforhisbrain, aka lookingforthesouth, you don't deserve an FSU or any good woman. You will find only what you are prepared to find and what you deserve. Get used to disappointment. :smokin:
comment on the topic if you have anything wise to say, if you don't, better be quiet.
Fools like you never listen to wise men in the first place. The only person who should be quiet is yourself, but you cannot help yourself from stepping on your own dick. :laugh:
:offtopic:
Look at all those cities you've visited in the FSU. Then you come on this forum looking for sympathy for your wretched behavior. Clearly you are a sex tourist who thinks that the skanks he hires for a weekend of fun should want to scrub his floors, wash his dishes and have his offspring. Like I said, get accustomed to disappointment. :smokin:
Yes, I've visited many places in the FSU, how many have you visited? Let's hear about your achievements? ...... (Silence... zrrr - zrrr... crickets). Have you ever had at least one FSU girlfriend at all? Or a goat at least? Something? But who am I talking to. Supporting member? Ah, now I understand. Your job is to troll and defocus? Maybe you are affiliated with EM or other dating businesses? C'mon tell us. No one will know, only me and the rest of the english speaking world.
The Women in his home country are wrong.
The Women in the Fsu are wrong.
The posters of the board are also wrong.
And god brings us his gift!
A 24 year old girl (Bimbo, Arty type, Whore, Saint, Angel) doesn't have to surrender herself for a 38 year old man who comes knocking if she doesn't want to.
Very true. But she doesn't have to reply if she doesn't like the guy and I'm not obliged to be her gay penpal. And moreover, you failed to condemn her behaviour. She compared me to a pedophile as if I wrote a 4-year old girl. Don't make us fools, Luke, you are embarasing yourself. You also failed to condemn the unprofessional practices by EM (fake "confirmed profiles), which tells me that you have a "butter on your head" like many other guys here.
You see, Luke, I received a message from a desperate, middle aged and overweight single mother from some village in Khabarovsk krai (end of the world), with a photo 150x150 pixels. Not my type definetly, but still, I would not like to offend her, so I just ignored her. Imagine if I write her now: "Thank you for your beautiful reply, you are so great and wonderful and everything, BUT we can be only PENPALS". What kind of cruel behaviour that would be?
lookingforhisbrain, aka lookingforthesouth, you don't deserve an FSU or any good woman. You will find only what you are prepared to find and what you deserve. Get used to disappointment. :smokin:
comment on the topic if you have anything wise to say, if you don't, better be quiet.
Fools like you never listen to wise men in the first place. The only person who should be quiet is yourself, but you cannot help yourself from stepping on your own dick. :laugh:
:offtopic:
Look at all those cities you've visited in the FSU. Then you come on this forum looking for sympathy for your wretched behavior. Clearly you are a sex tourist who thinks that the skanks he hires for a weekend of fun should want to scrub his floors, wash his dishes and have his offspring. Like I said, get accustomed to disappointment. :smokin:
Yes, I've visited many places in the FSU, how many have you visited? Let's hear about your achievements? ...... (Silence... zrrr - zrrr... crickets). Have you ever had at least one FSU girlfriend at all? Or a goat at least? Something? But who am I talking to. Supporting member? Ah, now I understand. Your job is to troll and defocus? Maybe you are affiliated with EM or other dating businesses? C'mon tell us. No one will know, only me and the rest of the english speaking world.
The Women in his home country are wrong.
The Women in the Fsu are wrong.
The posters of the board are also wrong.
And god brings us his gift!
A 24 year old girl (Bimbo, Arty type, Whore, Saint, Angel) doesn't have to surrender herself for a 38 year old man who comes knocking if she doesn't want to.
Very true. But she doesn't have to reply if she doesn't like the guy and I'm not obliged to be her gay penpal. And moreover, you failed to condemn her behaviour. She compared me to a pedophile as if I wrote a 4-year old girl. Don't make us fools, Luke, you are embarasing yourself. You also failed to condemn the unprofessional practices by EM (fake "confirmed profiles), which tells me that you have a "butter on your head" like many other guys here.
You see, Luke, I received a message from a desperate, middle aged and overweight single mother from some village in Khabarovsk krai (end of the world), with a photo 150x150 pixels. Not my type definetly, but still, I would not like to offend her, so I just ignored her. Imagine if I write her now: "Thank you for your beautiful reply, you are so great and wonderful and everything, BUT we can be only PENPALS". What kind of cruel behaviour that would be?
Condemn what behaviour? She aint interested pops, stop crying over spilt milk and move onto the next victim.
Sometimes you gotta be cruel to be kind.
You sound quite a catch James Dean, show us exactly what these ladies are turning down and maybe then, and only then we can shed some light on your lack of success.
I'm not crying, I'm just sharing my experiences.
I'm not crying, I'm just sharing my experiences.
That's the way I took your original post to this thread; a recounting of your experiences with a specific agency.
It is regrettable that far too often some members decide to read more into what is posted here than what the words actually say.
lookingforhisbrain, aka lookingforthesouth, you don't deserve an FSU or any good woman. You will find only what you are prepared to find and what you deserve. Get used to disappointment. :smokin:
comment on the topic if you have anything wise to say, if you don't, better be quiet.
Fools like you never listen to wise men in the first place. The only person who should be quiet is yourself, but you cannot help yourself from stepping on your own dick. :laugh:
:offtopic:
Look at all those cities you've visited in the FSU. Then you come on this forum looking for sympathy for your wretched behavior. Clearly you are a sex tourist who thinks that the skanks he hires for a weekend of fun should want to scrub his floors, wash his dishes and have his offspring. Like I said, get accustomed to disappointment. :smokin:
Yes, I've visited many places in the FSU, how many have you visited? Let's hear about your achievements? ...... (Silence... zrrr - zrrr... crickets). Have you ever had at least one FSU girlfriend at all? Or a goat at least? Something? But who am I talking to. Supporting member? Ah, now I understand. Your job is to troll and defocus? Maybe you are affiliated with EM or other dating businesses? C'mon tell us. No one will know, only me and the rest of the english speaking world.
After four trips to the FSU, (Not Odessa).
AvHdB, I'll skip your paternalizing
Speaking of the ideal, it's futile to discuss that. It's subjective.
About EM: after several busy months, I have a right to relax a bit, to check the site and to express my opinion on it. It sux and I want my деньги back. Yeah, my review was long, but it may save someone's money.
I forgot to add, to all the guests reading this: EM offers a trial, but you won't be able to see all the pics, just the main ones. That may fool you.
If I was too harsh on you, sorry. I read your response to Volshe and that made up my mind for me. Others may feel you are just telling your story. I don't see much of you in any of these examples you gave. Maybe I am prejudiced? Of course FSU women are not perfect. There are no perfect women anywhere. It just seems to me you are finding what you look for; you just do not realize that it is you who is bringing this about. Complaining about stuff is not a noble exercise. Did you really expect a different result from this thread? Come on, wake up and smell the coffee. :coffeeread:
If I was too harsh on you, sorry. I read your response to Volshe and that made up my mind for me. Others may feel you are just telling your story. I don't see much of you in any of these examples you gave. Maybe I am prejudiced? Of course FSU women are not perfect. There are no perfect women anywhere. It just seems to me you are finding what you look for; you just do not realize that it is you who is bringing this about. Complaining about stuff is not a noble exercise. Did you really expect a different result from this thread? Come on, wake up and smell the coffee. :coffeeread:
it's ok, man. sorry if i was harsh. btw the examples are based on various discussions that i've read on the forum. it's exagerated, of course, like a parody, but it'sa not very far from the truth heh. look, after all this is just a forum. there are much worse things going on. real wars, real people dying, both ukrainians and russians and many other serious problems.the whole world is going insane. our "problems" here on the forum are basically nothing.
GUY 1: "I found one girl, she seemed nice, but later I learned that she's a prostitute and a quite questionable person and that made me sad and disappointed".
REPLY: "Get a ticket and marry her immediatly! Send her 50deal!".
GUY 3: "I admitt that I was naive and inexperienced, I made a mistake,ba
, you GREEDY monster, pseudo-psychoanalyzis, pick-up theories, alpha male, beta male, Freud, you must this, you must that etc.)
GUY 5: "I travelled to this single mother with serious intentions, in drinking and sleeping around than marrying".
REPLY: "You trailer trash!"
GUY 6: Writting a whole "phd" about certain subject with arguments: this, this and this, with videos, photos etc.
REPLY: "Nya-nya-nya" (spitful oneliner and a stupid smiley).[/b]
People, you don't understand what are you doing anymore. And this makes every sane person to react harshly. Someone needs to wake you up. But in return, you write offtopic, personal attacks etc. That's avoiding discussion, that's a cowardice. If the topic is the production of cabbages in Venezuela, then the topic is the production of cabbages in Venezuela. I'm not the topic.
Yes, maybe I write too passionately and maybe I add some drama (and comedy) to it, but basically I'm telling the truth. That's the situation on this forum and on the dating scene. I don't invent things. Sure, beautiful things also happen in the FSU! But that's not the topic here.
My problem is that i speak russian, so I can see things that you guys don't see. There's a whole world out of this forum that you don't know much about.
GUY 1: "I found one girl, she seemed nice, but later I learned that she's a prostitute and a quite questionable person and that made me sad and disappointed".
REPLY: "Get a ticket and marry her immediatly! Send her 50deal!".
GUY 3: "I admitt that I was naive and inexperienced, I made a mistake,ba
, you GREEDY monster, pseudo-psychoanalyzis, pick-up theories, alpha male, beta male, Freud, you must this, you must that etc.)
GUY 5: "I travelled to this single mother with serious intentions, in drinking and sleeping around than marrying".
REPLY: "You trailer trash!"
GUY 6: Writting a whole "phd" about certain subject with arguments: this, this and this, with videos, photos etc.
REPLY: "Nya-nya-nya" (spitful oneliner and a stupid smiley).[/b]
People, you don't understand what are you doing anymore. And this makes every sane person to react harshly. Someone needs to wake you up. But in return, you write offtopic, personal attacks etc. That's avoiding discussion, that's a cowardice. If the topic is the production of cabbages in Venezuela, then the topic is the production of cabbages in Venezuela. I'm not the topic.
Yes, maybe I write too passionately and maybe I add some drama (and comedy) to it, but basically I'm telling the truth. That's the situation on this forum and on the dating scene. I don't invent things. Sure, beautiful things also happen in the FSU! But that's not the topic here.
My problem is that i speak russian, so I can see things that you guys don't see. There's a whole world out of this forum that you don't know much about.
Sorry to redact your most recent screed.
But it is neither drama or comedy, think tragedy. For some who speaks a Slavic language you have perhaps become the mother of all failures in this 'adventure'. You have a list of Russian/Ukraine cities that you have visited and you have zero sucess, perhaps it is time to look at your tool box.
People, you don't understand what are you doing anymore. And this makes every sane person to react harshly. Someone needs to wake you up. But in return, you write offtopic, personal attacks etc. That's avoiding discussion, that's a cowardice. If the topic is the production of cabbages in Venezuela, then the topic is the production of cabbages in Venezuela. I'm not the topic.
Yes, maybe I write too passionately and maybe I add some drama (and comedy) to it, but basically I'm telling the truth. That's the situation on this forum and on the dating scene. I don't invent things. Sure, beautiful things also happen in the FSU! But that's not the topic here.
My problem is that i speak russian, so I can see things that you guys don't see. There's a whole world out of this forum that you don't know much about.
Whatever you are up to you are not being honest with us.
Those 'examples' you quoted above are not examples, they are your fantasies, fictions written to support your contentions.
If you have something to say then don't lie to us, eh?
There's plenty of people only too happy to tell lies but you are making a special effort here. Why do you do it?
It isn't as though even the semi-sentient don't already know what you are trying to tell us. Nelson's dead!
If you want to be some kind of crusading messiah, well, that's fine, but be honest about what your crusade is and try to avoid being the latest in a long line of messiahs with the same story - some of your predecessors were at least honest fools.
Whatever you are up to you are not being honest with us.
Those 'examples' you quoted above are not examples, they are your fantasies, fictions written to support your contentions.
If you have something to say then don't lie to us, eh?
There's plenty of people only too happy to tell lies but you are making a special effort here. Why do you do it?
Exaggeration for humour has two pillars:
1) You actually have to be humorous.
2) You have to be sharing an essential truth.
Sadly your posts offer neither.
Just look at this guys. 100% fake profile on EM. Some childish nonsence. Random small pics from who knows where and even an advertisement for a famous spaghetti brand among them . . . Same faces everyday.
Just look at this guys. 100% fake profile on EM. Some childish nonsence. Random small pics from who knows where and even an advertisement for a famous spaghetti brand among them . . . Same faces everyday.
Are you in fact a bit challenged?
I suspect the vast majority understand the reality. Once and while an update if you are so inclined is great.
But PLEASE lets move on. Tells us about your travels and expierences in the former Soviet Union, even Andrew can learn a new trick.
Occupation: Tractor mechanic.
This is how you treat people (examples):
GUY 1: "I found one girl, she seemed nice, but later I learned that she's a prostitute and a quite questionable person and that made me sad and disappointed".
REPLY: "Get a ticket and marry her immediatly! Send her 5000$!!! Otherwise you are a loser, it's your fault, go see a shrink or a priest! You're mentally ill! Poor innocent girl! So what if she sleeps around? Not a big deal! You must tolerate this! How dare you talk like that about THE GREAT FSUW?!".
Just look at this guys. 100% fake profile on EM. Some childish nonsence. Random small pics from who knows where and even an advertisement for a famous spaghetti brand among them (?!). Occupation: Tractor mechanic. This is obviously a joke, fine, ha-ha, but why do I have to pay for it? Anteros, maybe you're right that constant complaining is not noble, but just look at this. I payed for this nonsense like 130$. Where are their mods looking? Why this was approved? I have some worse examples (like that fake "confirmed profile" which I talked about, I would post it, too). Now to be fair, there are real women there, but the choice is so small and the majority is not really so attractive. Same faces everyday.
Occupation: Tractor mechanic.
It used to be a joke here that Russian women can repair your tractor. But then the internet arrived and we saw what they actually looked like.
This is how you treat people (examples):
GUY 1: "I found one girl, she seemed nice, but later I learned that she's a prostitute and a quite questionable person and that made me sad and disappointed".
REPLY: "Get a ticket and marry her immediatly! Send her 5000$!!! Otherwise you are a loser, it's your fault, go see a shrink or a priest! You're mentally ill! Poor innocent girl! So what if she sleeps around? Not a big deal! You must tolerate this! How dare you talk like that about THE GREAT FSUW?!".
For those who are new on the board, here is the story of the "prostitute" mentioned above:
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg386587#msg386587
Well I am sorry that you feel ripped off however most of the USA guys like myself believe that dating in the FSU is still far better than what's available back home. So you take your chances that there is some fraud, but overall there are much better opportunities.
My excuses to a newbie reading this thread.
Longing for the South is not a typical educated poster.
Yes using a MOB site such as is mentioned can be costly, but the poster Longing for the South has a variety of 'issues'.
Read further my various TR's as well as 2tallBills and ask questions. There is wisdom here and most can figure it out for themselves.
It used to be a joke here that Russian women can repair your tractor. But then the internet arrived and we saw what they actually looked like.
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Longing for the South,
When I concur with Andrew I tell him, and when I disagree he (I hope) understands. It is nothing personal. I understand from those I have met and have also met Andrew he is in fact an upstanding citizen.
The issue at any given moment there are perhaps a dozen "members" reading you diatribe and perhaps several times that of non registered viewers. Your opinions paint RUA in a very negative light as a source for advice and some wisdom.
Longing for the South,
When I concur with Andrew I tell him, and when I disagree he (I hope) understands. It is nothing personal. I understand from those I have met and have also met Andrew he is in fact an upstanding citizen.
The issue at any given moment there are perhaps a dozen "members" reading you diatribe and perhaps several times that of non registered viewers. Your opinions paint RUA in a very negative light as a source for advice and some wisdom.
Well, many people are reading this thread. They're hungry for unbiased and realistic informations.
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Unbiased and realistic does not make up stories for an imagined humourous purpose!
Unbiased and realistic does not purposefully mislead!
Whatever you imagine you are up to unbiased and realistic is not it!
You did not exaggerate, you lied. You changed facts and situations and you changed responses from posters and you presented them as truth - only when challenged did you decide that you had 'exaggerated'. :'(
If you can not tell the difference between what you did and being honest, or even 'exaggeration' then, well, your help lies not on this forum but rather with those more able to deal with issues of perception.
If the way in which you interact with the world is similar to how you interact here then it is quite likely that your singular lack of success is driven, in part at least, by your inability to deal with other people in an honest and straightforward manner.
I have a question:
lately I've been contacted a lot by men from the Middle Eastern countries. They write something like this: " I M LOOKING FOR A MUSLIM WIFE WHO IS RELIGIOUS AND WEARS HIJAB AND PURELY FAMILY ORIENTED NOT MONEY ORIENTED AND LOVING TO CHILDREN."
Where are they getting the idea that Russian women are Muslim and walk around wearing a hijab? Are they completely delusional, wishful thinkers or misinformed?
Surely I am aware that there are ethnic groups in Russia who adhere to Muslim religion, but these guys are usually interested ethnic Russians/Ukrainians, not the Tatars or women from the stans.
I've been to Kazan twice in the last few years, but haven't seen even one woman wearing a hijab, guess I'm not as lucky as you ;-)
I am 32, live in Miami, have a university degree and work for an international pharmaceutical company. I agree with you.
After four trips to the FSU, (Not Odessa).
Most men on the forum are over 50, and the women from 40-50 are much more serious.
It is hard to find a good and beautiful woman aged between 25 and 30.
In my experience, it's actually not hard at all finding a woman 25-30 for a 32 yo man. Had a 30 yo client from Houston. He's got a stunning looking Siberian girl who is totally in love with him. And I mean Victoria Secret stunning... He went to meet her on his own the first time. Then he brought me with him to meet the family and her friends. I was a bit skeptical before the trip but after meeting them I felt really comfortable for him to proceed. They were very down to earth people from a very small town in Siberia. He visited 3 more times before doing the paperwork. She recently came to the US and they are planning a wedding. So it is very possible.I am 32, live in Miami, have a university degree and work for an international pharmaceutical company. I agree with you.
After four trips to the FSU, (Not Odessa).
Most men on the forum are over 50, and the women from 40-50 are much more serious.
It is hard to find a good and beautiful woman aged between 25 and 30.
Bollocks. Just throw in the towel now mate, this game isn't for you.
In my experience, it's actually not hard at all finding a woman 25-30 for a 32 yo man.I am 32, live in Miami, have a university degree and work for an international pharmaceutical company. I agree with you.
After four trips to the FSU, (Not Odessa).
Most men on the forum are over 50, and the women from 40-50 are much more serious.
It is hard to find a good and beautiful woman aged between 25 and 30.
Bollocks. Just throw in the towel now mate, this game isn't for you.
In my experience, it's actually not hard at all finding a woman 25-30 for a 32 yo man. Had a 30 yo client from Houston. He's got a stunning looking Siberian girl who is totally in love with him. And I mean Victoria Secret stunning... He went to meet her on his own the first time. Then he brought me with him to meet the family and her friends. I was a bit skeptical before the trip but after meeting them I felt really comfortable for him to proceed. They were very down to earth people from a very small town in Siberia. He visited 3 more times before doing the paperwork. She recently came to the US and they are planning a wedding. So it is very possible.I am 32, live in Miami, have a university degree and work for an international pharmaceutical company. I agree with you.
After four trips to the FSU, (Not Odessa).
Most men on the forum are over 50, and the women from 40-50 are much more serious.
It is hard to find a good and beautiful woman aged between 25 and 30.
Bollocks. Just throw in the towel now mate, this game isn't for you.
Longingforthesouth,
I am a bit confused as to why you are telling me all this. I never said that it's gotten easier. In fact it did get much harder to find an attractive, good woman in the FSU for marriage, but it is still possible providing you have enough time and resources to invest into your search. It used to take me a couple of months to help a WM line up several good prospects, now it takes 3 to 5 months. However we still get excellent results. Yes there has been an attitude change among many RW but the demographics haven't changed and the number of good looking, single women still makes it advantageous to look in the FSU compared to the Western countries.
I stand by my statement :)Longingforthesouth,
I am a bit confused as to why you are telling me all this. I never said that it's gotten easier. In fact it did get much harder to find an attractive, good woman in the FSU for marriage, but it is still possible providing you have enough time and resources to invest into your search. It used to take me a couple of months to help a WM line up several good prospects, now it takes 3 to 5 months. However we still get excellent results. Yes there has been an attitude change among many RW but the demographics haven't changed and the number of good looking, single women still makes it advantageous to look in the FSU compared to the Western countries.
I was telling you this because what Omega1982 says is true. You disagreed with him, while I agree with him. And you basically confirmed what he says in your last post. Things are not going well in the FSU dating scene. There're aren't bilions of hot smoking blondes waiting in line for a foreigner to marry them. There are no bilions of international couples waiting in front of the ZAGS. Sure, there're individual succesful cases, but their number is ridiculously low.
Still, I completely agree with you that FSU dating, even not ideal as it is now, is much better than what is offered in most countries! Otherwise I wouldn't be sitting on this forum. One must be totally ugly, dumb, deaf and mentally retarted not to get at least 1 (ONE) date in the FSU. Thats what I like about your country. Now, whether this date will end succesfuly or not, is an another long subject.
But things aren't that simple and you know it. I explained everything in this thread, so no need to repeat myself further. If you have nerves read it all from the beginning, but if you don't, it's OK. it's tiring anyway. Cheers братан
Longingforthesouth,
I am a bit confused as to why you are telling me all this. I never said that it's gotten easier. In fact it did get much harder to find an attractive, good woman in the FSU for marriage, but it is still possible providing you have enough time and resources to invest into your search. It used to take me a couple of months to help a WM line up several good prospects, now it takes 3 to 5 months. However we still get excellent results. Yes there has been an attitude change among many RW but the demographics haven't changed and the number of good looking, single women still makes it advantageous to look in the FSU compared to the Western countries.
I was telling you this because what Omega1982 says is true. You disagreed with him, while I agree with him. And you basically confirmed what he says in your last post. Things are not going well in the FSU dating scene. There're aren't bilions of hot smoking blondes waiting in line for a foreigner to marry them. There are no bilions of international couples waiting in front of the ZAGS. Sure, there're individual succesful cases, but their number is ridiculously low.
Longingforthesouth,
I am a bit confused as to why you are telling me all this. I never said that it's gotten easier. In fact it did get much harder to find an attractive, good woman in the FSU for marriage, but it is still possible providing you have enough time and resources to invest into your search. It used to take me a couple of months to help a WM line up several good prospects, now it takes 3 to 5 months. However we still get excellent results. Yes there has been an attitude change among many RW but the demographics haven't changed and the number of good looking, single women still makes it advantageous to look in the FSU compared to the Western countries.
I was telling you this because what Omega1982 says is true. You disagreed with him, while I agree with him. And you basically confirmed what he says in your last post. Things are not going well in the FSU dating scene. There're aren't bilions of hot smoking blondes waiting in line for a foreigner to marry them. There are no bilions of international couples waiting in front of the ZAGS. Sure, there're individual succesful cases, but their number is ridiculously low.
Clearly some people left to their own devices will fail. This includes you, LFTS. You've probably already spent far more than the fee for a professional.
Longingforthesouth,
I am a bit confused as to why you are telling me all this. I never said that it's gotten easier. In fact it did get much harder to find an attractive, good woman in the FSU for marriage, but it is still possible providing you have enough time and resources to invest into your search. It used to take me a couple of months to help a WM line up several good prospects, now it takes 3 to 5 months. However we still get excellent results. Yes there has been an attitude change among many RW but the demographics haven't changed and the number of good looking, single women still makes it advantageous to look in the FSU compared to the Western countries.
I was telling you this because what Omega1982 says is true. You disagreed with him, while I agree with him. And you basically confirmed what he says in your last post. Things are not going well in the FSU dating scene. There're aren't bilions of hot smoking blondes waiting in line for a foreigner to marry them. There are no bilions of international couples waiting in front of the ZAGS. Sure, there're individual succesful cases, but their number is ridiculously low.
Clearly some people left to their own devices will fail. This includes you, LFTS. You've probably already spent far more than the fee for a professional.
I can find a girl anytime, Anteros, be it a local, be it a FSUian. I can call some local now and bang her. I can go to FSU tommorow and fine something and have fun. And she will not be fat with moustaches, trust me. You have wrong impression about me.
The problem is that I don't want some average woman. I want an ideal. I don't know how to explain. Not like supermodel, I can't afford that, I'm not a model myself, but someone who will really make me crazy. Someone for me, the most optimal.
You see Anteros, I don't want to be pretentious, but I'm sort of arty type. If I see a nice nose or eyes or hair or something, I go crazy. The only way to explain this is to send you pics as examples, but I feel uncomfortable to share pics of my ex-FSU girlfriends. I simply don't know you guys. You are bunch of maniacs hehe (joking).
I think that maybe I could trust Volshe. She's a lady and her origin is near my part of the world.
Longing - I can't believe you're still single and thanks for positive words. I must have been something real special to have come away from this without bitter feelings.
In my experience, it's actually not hard at all finding a woman 25-30 for a 32 yo man. Had a 30 yo client from Houston. He's got a stunning looking Siberian girl who is totally in love with him. And I mean Victoria Secret stunning... He went to meet her on his own the first time. Then he brought me with him to meet the family and her friends. I was a bit skeptical before the trip but after meeting them I felt really comfortable for him to proceed. They were very down to earth people from a very small town in Siberia. He visited 3 more times before doing the paperwork. She recently came to the US and they are planning a wedding. So it is very possible.I am 32, live in Miami, have a university degree and work for an international pharmaceutical company. I agree with you.
After four trips to the FSU, (Not Odessa).
Most men on the forum are over 50, and the women from 40-50 are much more serious.
It is hard to find a good and beautiful woman aged between 25 and 30.
Bollocks. Just throw in the towel now mate, this game isn't for you.
- I payed 130$ on EM. A girl rejected me and wanted to be penpals. OK, no hard feelings. I wished her well and said that my doors will still be opened for her if she changes her mind - like Tomadviced[advised] me. In return she called me a pedophile, though she's a big donkey* in her mid-20's and allows big age difference, has university diploma, a right to vote, to drive car, to serve the army and to travel abroad. Am I bitter? Nooo.
- I payed 130$ on EM. A girl rejected me and wanted to be penpals. OK, no hard feelings. I wished her well and said that my doors will still be opened for her if she changes her mind - like Tomadviced[advised] me. In return she called me a pedophile, though she's a big donkey* in her mid-20's and allows big age difference, has university diploma, a right to vote, to drive car, to serve the army and to travel abroad. Am I bitter? Nooo.
It won't cost you anything to act like a grown-up when you get rejected, instead of calling girls "bitches, whores, sluts" and "prostitutes." There might not be any immediate reward but it is the right thing to do.
like Tomadviced[advised] me.
In my experience, it's actually not hard at all finding a woman 25-30 for a 32 yo man. Had a 30 yo client from Houston. He's got a stunning looking Siberian girl who is totally in love with him. And I mean Victoria Secret stunning... He went to meet her on his own the first time. Then he brought me with him to meet the family and her friends. I was a bit skeptical before the trip but after meeting them I felt really comfortable for him to proceed. They were very down to earth people from a very small town in Siberia. He visited 3 more times before doing the paperwork. She recently came to the US and they are planning a wedding. So it is very possible.I am 32, live in Miami, have a university degree and work for an international pharmaceutical company. I agree with you.
After four trips to the FSU, (Not Odessa).
Most men on the forum are over 50, and the women from 40-50 are much more serious.
It is hard to find a good and beautiful woman aged between 25 and 30.
Bollocks. Just throw in the towel now mate, this game isn't for you.
Again with the lack of respect. What now rosco. Why am I unfit for this endeavor. Please enlighten us.
In my experience, it's actually not hard at all finding a woman 25-30 for a 32 yo man. Had a 30 yo client from Houston. He's got a stunning looking Siberian girl who is totally in love with him. And I mean Victoria Secret stunning... He went to meet her on his own the first time. Then he brought me with him to meet the family and her friends. I was a bit skeptical before the trip but after meeting them I felt really comfortable for him to proceed. They were very down to earth people from a very small town in Siberia. He visited 3 more times before doing the paperwork. She recently came to the US and they are planning a wedding. So it is very possible.I am 32, live in Miami, have a university degree and work for an international pharmaceutical company. I agree with you.
After four trips to the FSU, (Not Odessa).
Most men on the forum are over 50, and the women from 40-50 are much more serious.
It is hard to find a good and beautiful woman aged between 25 and 30.
Bollocks. Just throw in the towel now mate, this game isn't for you.
Again with the lack of respect. What now rosco. Why am I unfit for this endeavor. Please enlighten us.
You've got the wrong mindset and you're buying into this negative BS. I'm about your age & ive had great experiences. Reading about all the failures & how the glory days are gone makes me wonder what the hell some of you guys do?!
Actually he's a well adjusted totally normal guy who is happily married and only posts occasionally as a result. You, OTOH... :fighting0025:
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, well, then it must be a duck.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, well, then it must be a duck.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, well, then it must be a duck.
very true. for example, if some person is prostituting herself, then I guess that she is a prostitute. not an engineer, doctor or a baker.
or if some person is behaving irrationaly, then I guess that the person is crazy. it would be imprecise to call her sane.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, well, then it must be a duck.
very true. for example, if some person is prostituting herself, then I guess that she is a prostitute. not an engineer, doctor or a baker.
or if some person is behaving irrationaly, then I guess that the person is crazy. it would be imprecise to call her sane.
You and Jason Cerbone should get together for a beer and compare notes. You could title your new thread: "How to piss off women and make sure they despise you for a good long time."
:BEER: :trainwreck:
In my experience, it's actually not hard at all finding a woman 25-30 for a 32 yo man. Had a 30 yo client from Houston. He's got a stunning looking Siberian girl who is totally in love with him. And I mean Victoria Secret stunning... He went to meet her on his own the first time. Then he brought me with him to meet the family and her friends. I was a bit skeptical before the trip but after meeting them I felt really comfortable for him to proceed. They were very down to earth people from a very small town in Siberia. He visited 3 more times before doing the paperwork. She recently came to the US and they are planning a wedding. So it is very possible.I am 32, live in Miami, have a university degree and work for an international pharmaceutical company. I agree with you.
After four trips to the FSU, (Not Odessa).
Most men on the forum are over 50, and the women from 40-50 are much more serious.
It is hard to find a good and beautiful woman aged between 25 and 30.
Bollocks. Just throw in the towel now mate, this game isn't for you.
Again with the lack of respect. What now rosco. Why am I unfit for this endeavor. Please enlighten us.
You've got the wrong mindset and you're buying into this negative BS. I'm about your age & ive had great experiences. Reading about all the failures & how the glory days are gone makes me wonder what the hell some of you guys do?!
You're totally mad.
In my experience, it's actually not hard at all finding a woman 25-30 for a 32 yo man. Had a 30 yo client from Houston. He's got a stunning looking Siberian girl who is totally in love with him. And I mean Victoria Secret stunning... He went to meet her on his own the first time. Then he brought me with him to meet the family and her friends. I was a bit skeptical before the trip but after meeting them I felt really comfortable for him to proceed. They were very down to earth people from a very small town in Siberia. He visited 3 more times before doing the paperwork. She recently came to the US and they are planning a wedding. So it is very possible.I am 32, live in Miami, have a university degree and work for an international pharmaceutical company. I agree with you.
After four trips to the FSU, (Not Odessa).
Most men on the forum are over 50, and the women from 40-50 are much more serious.
It is hard to find a good and beautiful woman aged between 25 and 30.
Bollocks. Just throw in the towel now mate, this game isn't for you.
Again with the lack of respect. What now rosco. Why am I unfit for this endeavor. Please enlighten us.
You've got the wrong mindset and you're buying into this negative BS. I'm about your age & ive had great experiences. Reading about all the failures & how the glory days are gone makes me wonder what the hell some of you guys do?!
You're totally mad.
So you go to the right places, meet the right girls and say the right stuff......and you still blame all fsu women for the failure in your personal life before considering you might be part of the problem?
Yea, you can get unlucky and yea you might make a few mistakes along the way but honestly your rants are bias at best.
Good luck to you all but seriously, what are you doing wrong to be on such a bad run??
With all the talk of how difficult it is to meet a family oriented RW now days I thought I'd share this with you. I'm working with a guy from a European country right now who has muscular dystrophy and is in the wheel chair. I took him on reluctantly and explained to him that I could not guarantee any results... I've been working for him for a week now and guess what? He is getting responses from beautiful women and having nice, in depth conversations with 3 of them, and this is just after one week! And the women are 8s and 9s! I don't know where this is going to lead but I'm very interested in finding out.
With all the talk of how difficult it is to meet a family oriented RW now days I thought I'd share this with you. I'm working with a guy from a European country right now who has muscular dystrophy and is in the wheel chair. I took him on reluctantly and explained to him that I could not guarantee any results... I've been working for him for a week now and guess what? He is getting responses from beautiful women and having nice, in depth conversations with 3 of them, and this is just after one week! And the women are 8s and 9s! I don't know where this is going to lead but I'm very interested in finding out.
Fingers crossed for the guy! Stephen Hawking comes to mind, sometimes the physical body really doesn't matter. That being said, where i am (Montenegro) he wouldn't stand a chance, even the slightest fault or abnormality, such as limping, make it impossible for one to marry. (Again, national specifics, mountainous terrain, history of wars etc., basically only the fittest could survive it all :( ) It's only last couple of years, since we became an EU candidate, that facilities for disables are constructed, before there simply wasn't a way for them to approach most of the buildings or whatsoever :duh:
I have a small limp in my left leg due to a sports injury. I guess I am completely disqualified for all those lovely Montenegro angels? ??? ;D
Omega 1982,
The situation I stated above is a simple FACT. Not an opinion.
Despite Turkish guys having a bad reputation many DO MARRY good looking Russian girls, despite that reputation and being poor. ANOTHER SIMPLE FACT.
Take ownership of your problem.
Rosco, for your information several of the women I have dated in the fsu have become my friends. Some are not willing to relocate, others were not interested and we decided to remain friends. One of them even offered to draft me a letter of invitation if were to decide to return to Belarus. If I would do something wrong to them, would they remain my friends?
If I have a specific question about their country I ask them and so on. It is a blessing to have friends.
Rosco I have a colleague from work that lives in Moscow. She is around 27. She makes about 75% of what I make, lives in a beautiful city, right in Europe. Why would she want to come to America?
Did it ever occur to you the economy in Russia has improved by leaps and bounds and most migration is economical.
One thing that maybe Les does not see, but is certainly present, is that many of these very sociable young guys in the beach resorts are paid companions. They live, during the season, off gifts of goodies and money. Some also have jobs that give 'access' such as working in bars, boat hire, restaurants and shops. Others are there for the season and then back to the interior.
Rosco I have a colleague from work that lives in Moscow. She is around 27. She makes about 75% of what I make, lives in a beautiful city, right in Europe. Why would she want to come to America?
Did it ever occur to you the economy in Russia has improved by leaps and bounds and most migration is economical.
LFTS & Omega - I'm not toying with you guys or trying to troll. I get it that you've been active and that you're both frustrated.
The thing is, I've had the opposite experience to you guys and clearly we have different ideas and a different mindset. I also know for a fact, that if you're in your 30's, have the finance to travel regularly, look after yourself and are well adjusted.....then it's only a matter of time before you hook up.
If I were back out on the hunt and read your comments, id be delighted to know that the competition was rattled. And one other thing.....if you always do what you've always done, you'll always get the same result.
Best of luck to you both but I'm not wasting anymore time trying to motivate you if you've decided it's all gone to shit. Just be mindful that whilst you're bitching & moaning on here....other guys are out there cleaning up. :-X
From my experience a number of men go to the FSU to find a wife with this idea: "I'm going to buy a wife" or/and approaching the whole thing like it is a business transaction. Lawyers, high power doctors and wealthy businessmen exhibit this attitude most often in my experience.
IMO a man who goes there with an open heart, who instead of trying to impress a woman with his wallet and social status does so with his personality, kindness and depth can not fail. He will attract and meet completely different type of women doing it this way.
:laugh: :chuckle: :laugh: :chuckle:
Aye whatever big boy.....you da man!!
This thread has been read like thousands of times. My mission is succesful, now I can make a coffee and relax.
:laugh: :chuckle: :laugh: :chuckle:
Aye whatever big boy.....you da man!!
No, it's just I'm not married, so I can afford to waste time on nonsense. If I was married, I'd certainly not spend sunday afternoon on a forum with you (if you're in the UK, then it's 2:38 PM over there).
Just make sure you have my picture attached to it :) LOLFrom my experience a number of men go to the FSU to find a wife with this idea: "I'm going to buy a wife" or/and approaching the whole thing like it is a business transaction. Lawyers, high power doctors and wealthy businessmen exhibit this attitude most often in my experience.
IMO a man who goes there with an open heart, who instead of trying to impress a woman with his wallet and social status does so with his personality, kindness and depth can not fail. He will attract and meet completely different type of women doing it this way.
Guys who are still searching should print this quote and fix it to the fridge door!
Guys who are still searching should print this quote and fix it to the fridge door!Just make sure you have my picture attached to it :) LOL
:laugh: :chuckle: :laugh: :chuckle:
Aye whatever big boy.....you da man!!
No, it's just I'm not married, so I can afford to waste time on nonsense. If I was married, I'd certainly not spend sunday afternoon on a forum with you (if you're in the UK, then it's 2:38 PM over there).
I'll give you another free piece of advice. Once you're married, you'll find that you won't be sitting holding hands with wifey 24/7. You do actually get a bit of down time.
So in between work, chores and generally living life, you'll find that you can actually read a book, go to the gym or heavens forbid.....participate on a forum.
So don't worry mucker....marriage isn't the end!
This thread has been read like thousands of times. My mission is succesful, now I can make a coffee and relax.
"Ай да Пушкин! Ай да сукин сын!*" ;D
*
"What a Pushkin, what a son of a bitch!" a catchphrase from Pushkin's correspondence with Pyotr Vyazemsky; the phrase commonly expresses a joy after finishing one's work
http://www.bibliotekar.ru/encSlov/a/58.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_a_Pushkin,_what_a_son_of_a_bitch!
My mission is succesful(sic), now I can make a coffee and relax.
LFTS & Omega - I'm not toying with you guys or trying to troll. I get it that you've been active and you're both frustrated.
The thing is, I've had the opposite experience to you guys and clearly we have different ideas and a different mindset. I also know for a fact that if you're in your 30's, have the finance to travel regularly, look after yourself and are well adjusted.....then it's only a matter of time before you hook up.
If I were back on the hunt and read your comments, I'd be delighted to know that the competition was rattled. And one other thing.....if you always do what you've always done, you'll always get the same result.
Best of luck to you both but I'm not wasting anymore time trying to motivate you, if you've decided it's all gone to shit. Just be mindful that whilst you're bitching & moaning on here....other guys are out there cleaning up. :-X
My mission is succesful(sic), now I can make a coffee and relax.
After nearly forty pages of whining about being rejected by one FSU woman after the next, including a "prostitute," you are the personification of success and the envy of your peers.
LFTS & Omega - I'm not toying with you guys or trying to troll. I get it that you've been active and you're both frustrated.
The thing is, I've had the opposite experience to you guys and clearly we have different ideas and a different mindset. I also know for a fact that if you're in your 30's, have the finance to travel regularly, look after yourself and are well adjusted.....then it's only a matter of time before you hook up.
If I were back on the hunt and read your comments, I'd be delighted to know that the competition was rattled. And one other thing.....if you always do what you've always done, you'll always get the same result.
Best of luck to you both but I'm not wasting anymore time trying to motivate you, if you've decided it's all gone to shit. Just be mindful that whilst you're bitching & moaning on here....other guys are out there cleaning up. :-X
Painful isn't rosco?
This thread has been read like thousands of times. My mission is succesful, now I can make a coffee and relax.
"Ай да Пушкин! Ай да сукин сын!*" ;D
"What a Pushkin, what a son of a bitch!"
It boggles the mind that someone who holds FSU women in such low regard would continue to contact them and write ponderous dissertations about it.
It boggles the mind that someone who holds FSU women in such low regard would continue to contact them and write ponderous dissertations about it.
No, my latest article (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg411560#msg411560) was balanced, reasonable, realistic, useful and simply beautiful. And you are just a spin doctor (not a very succesful one, btw). No one takes you seriously anymore. Now Tom, run to mommy (admin) to cry, so he would censor me, like you did two weeks ago (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg410342#msg410342).
For those who don't know what spinning is: providing a biased interpretation of an event (in this case a text) or campaigning to persuade public opinion in favor or against something or someone. "Spin" often implies the use of disingenuous, deceptive, and manipulative tactics.
6. One woman insisted in the second message that I give her my email adress, so she would "recommend some clothes and shoes for me", because "I'm handsome", but she thinks that "I could improve my style". I told her that I didn't pay for such nonsense (I have no wiser things to do in life than to order clothes and shoes from ukrainian online stores). She insisted. Then I insisted to talk on the phone, I was curious to see whose behind this and I found out that she's real. I don't get this, what was her goal? OK, I gave her one of my many free gmail adresses. What use she will have from this? She'll get millions of dollars? BTW she never wrote an email. Some people are just absurd. If you're a scammer, then scam me properly. Amateurs.I hope you didn't write your email address as an email address, because the technical stuff at elenasmodels censors those. I had the same problem when still dating.
7. One woman said that she'd preffer to communicate via email. I said fine, your wish is my command, here's my adress. She never wrote. Then I figured out, that maybe she was refering to this: if you are a "gold member" there, you can only communicate via the site's private messages, but if you pay a platinum package, then you will have an access to the woman's email adress (and maybe skype and even phone number). They will be displayed to you in her profile. I have no wiser things to do in life, then to upgrade my membership by paying 100's of dollars just to get someone's freaking email adress. What was her goal, I have no clue (maybe she works there?). But then she is average and not worth the expenses.
6. One woman insisted in the second message that I give her my email adress, so she would "recommend some clothes and shoes for me", because "I'm handsome", but she thinks that "I could improve my style". I told her that I didn't pay for such nonsense (I have no wiser things to do in life than to order clothes and shoes from ukrainian online stores). She insisted. Then I insisted to talk on the phone, I was curious to see whose behind this and I found out that she's real. I don't get this, what was her goal? OK, I gave her one of my many free gmail adresses. What use she will have from this? She'll get millions of dollars? BTW she never wrote an email. Some people are just absurd. If you're a scammer, then scam me properly. Amateurs.I hope you didn't write your email address as an email address, because the technical stuff at elenasmodels censors those. I had the same problem when still dating.
7. One woman said that she'd preffer to communicate via email. I said fine, your wish is my command, here's my adress. She never wrote. Then I figured out, that maybe she was refering to this: if you are a "gold member" there, you can only communicate via the site's private messages, but if you pay a platinum package, then you will have an access to the woman's email adress (and maybe skype and even phone number). They will be displayed to you in her profile. I have no wiser things to do in life, then to upgrade my membership by paying 100's of dollars just to get someone's freaking email adress. What was her goal, I have no clue (maybe she works there?). But then she is average and not worth the expenses.
When you obfuscate it a bit by saying my email is my first name at gmail and com, the chance you will get a reply is much higher.
bore 2 (bôr)
tr.v. bored, bor·ing, bores
To make weary by being dull, repetitive, or tedious: His posts bored us.
n.
One that is wearingly dull, repetitive, or tedious.
bore 2 (bôr)
tr.v. bored, bor·ing, bores
To make weary by being dull, repetitive, or tedious: His posts bored us.
n.
One that is wearingly dull, repetitive, or tedious.
I don't recall anyone ever writing so much about his failures.
You could be correct, yet the main advertisers are FSU dating sites.bore 2 (bôr)
tr.v. bored, bor·ing, bores
To make weary by being dull, repetitive, or tedious: His posts bored us.
n.
One that is wearingly dull, repetitive, or tedious.
I don't recall anyone ever writing so much about his failures.
I don't recall anyone ever distorting, trolling and spining so much. Plus running to the admin every time he gets a reply that he doesn't like. As if he is a spoiled baby. C'mon, run to the admin and ask him to censor me, like you did two weeks ago.
Boris, be grateful that I'm here. Cause in the recent period, on this forum you can read only about politics: War in Ukraine, Will Greece go default, China bear market, Donald Trump for president etc. No one writes about dating anymore. No good news about weddings or something, no much trip reports (except Luke's, but that's only one). And you know why is that? 1. Because the FSU dating scene and the dating business are obviously going down; 2. By behaving like this, guys, you are chasing away from forum the people, who would like to share their experiences or to ask questions etc. Finally, I'm afraid that this forum will sink, too.
You could be correct, yet the main advertisers are FSU dating sites.
That could be a problem, when they figure out the forum is no longer
about FSU dating.
bore 2 (bôr)
tr.v. bored, bor·ing, bores
To make weary by being dull, repetitive, or tedious: His posts bored us.
n.
One that is wearingly dull, repetitive, or tedious.
I don't recall anyone ever writing so much about his failures.
I don't recall anyone ever distorting, trolling and spining so much. Plus running to the admin every time he gets a reply that he doesn't like. As if he is a spoiled baby. C'mon, run to the admin and ask him to censor me, like you did two weeks ago.
Boris, be grateful that I'm here. Cause in the recent period, on this forum you can read only about politics: War in Ukraine, Will Greece go default, China bear market, Donald Trump for president etc. No one writes about dating anymore. No good news about weddings or something, no much trip reports (except Luke's, but that's only one). And you know why is that? 1. Because the FSU dating scene and the dating business are obviously going down; 2. By behaving like this, guys, you are chasing away from forum the people, who would like to share their experiences or to ask questions etc. Finally, I'm afraid that this forum will sink, too.
Anteros, I don't care about the name of the section, neither the numerous guests who read my articles. In this thread, they arm themselves with realistic info. You have met only one FSU woman in your life (I'm reffering to the bi-polar one). You're also not married or in a relationship, so you are not an expert on this subject. Your "lessons" are worthless.
And no, there aren't numerous trip reports and succesful stories recently. There's like one or maybe EVEN two. One swallow does not make a spring make (or two swallows or even three).
When I open this forum everyday, I can see everything except dating (politics, economy etc.). We aren't blind, Anteros.
So far you think you're too good for a woman who already has a child, and you might be missing a diamond right there.
Not really a huge problem. We do think ahead.
I admit to wondering where the hell you are trying to steer this ship.
i skimmed trough yours and previous posters' posts, it's not that you think anyone can get through everything you write? :laugh:
What you quote - that's a Nigerian scammer
2. Where did you get the idea i was employed by MGU?! Acc. to legislation of RF (as a foreigner) you can not legally work, while studying, and that's exactly what i did, i completed a phd program, wrote and defended the thesis. (Again, according to Russian legislation, it's available online - the thesis, and videos of my defense, so you can check my level fluency there (not that you are competent, but still :) )
Ok, so, according to what you write, you are a dream come true, yet those whom you want - don't want you and basically all RUA is :duh: (:) and all FSUW are :sick0002: :antagonize:, only you are an :saint: who for some reason is still single?!
If your family would accept someone with a kid, then they belong to 1% of the coolest of the cool.
I don't know what is it then, as you are quite narcissistic in your descriptions of yourself
the problem is neither with the industry or forum, nor with those girls. The sooner you get that, the closer you will be to the solution.
I got the idea because you often write that you go there at the university. I got an impression that you are a sort of guest-professor there. I was wrong, but not very far from the truth.
I want to like the person 100%, so I could spend the rest of my life with her. I guess I will stop being SO picky.
Still, there must be some standards. Look, Volshe, may I send you pics of realistical women (NOT supermodels, but still very cute)? It's abstract to talk like this without pics.
Yes, my family is cool. I don't know what people think about a woman with kids in your country, cause I don't live in your country. We're not so extreme as you, guys, hehe. We're more laid back. Also, it's not the same if you live in some small village or in the city. Sure, there're people who are like: "what the neighbours will think". But if you are a big city guy, who cares. It also depends on the region. An example from your country: it's not the same to live in a village on Mt. Durmitor or in the touristy Budva or Kotor.
There are problems with the industry, with the forum and with the girls. I explained in 40 pages and you will not ruin what I said with just few sentences and random smileys. Try better.
Also, you will never understand the problems that men face in this dating game. All of the guys on this forum had failures, some of them very drastic (divorces, lossing their children and houses, they were cheated, scammed, had women with issues), but most of them avoid talking about it. That's why you have a false impression that they're like "real man blah blah". Stop buying that.
"real man blah blah"
"real man blah blah"
Real men don't rail endlessly about what sluts, whores and prostitutes that their women have been; unlike you, they take personal responsibility for their failures and try to improve.
Lovely stuff!
It's because i wasn't in a relationship with your countrymate for 5y and because i didn't live there and don't speak your language ... :saint: (In your capital, your 1% etc.)
In some aspects you are more laid back, in some... not really :Stickouttongue3:
Would you like to know the female side of the story? :snivel: Before meeting the ones we like, we also get to know the sides of human nature we hoped were the matter of horror movies only... It's life for goodness sake, it's normal.
I need you to do something for me. Ask someone from females in your family or neighborhood PLEASE how do they peel peppers (i tried baking them in oven, tying in najlon kesa, then peeling - not good; tried boiling in water + sirce, freezing, then un-freezing and peeling, that worked, but is too time-consuming AND i have guests tomorrow!!! Kumove, not less!!!) Also PLEASE ask for pindjur what is the parts of tomatoes/ peppers/ aubergine - my father loves the one that's made in your parts, but he doesn't like mine, says it's too hot :(
Would you be an angel and do that for me
When Beckham was at Utd and dating Posh Spice we used to sing at the match 'David Beckham, David Beckham, do you take her up the Arse-an-al, do you take her up the Arse-an-al.....'
Lovely stuff!
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If the event is tomorow, I'm afraid we don't have time!! I will now send an email to them (we don't live together, of course) and they're on holidays now. I'll call them to tell them to check email asap. Maybe they'll write fast. But if they can't, plz excuse them.
I crushed her claims with healthy counter-arguments and without any swear word. Today they got scared and deleted some of my comments. Also, they edited their own comments so that they look "softer". Orwell 1984. The thread: click here (http://blogs.elenasmodels.com/en/why-women-dont-answer/). But some readers already saw my comments there and I also saved the page on my computer. Some webarchives may keep cached copies, too.
I crushed her claims with healthy counter-arguments and without any swear word. Today they got scared and deleted some of my comments. Also, they edited their own comments so that they look "softer". Orwell 1984. The thread: click here (http://blogs.elenasmodels.com/en/why-women-dont-answer/). But some readers already saw my comments there and I also saved the page on my computer. Some webarchives may keep cached copies, too.
Actually, to be honest, I thought "Elena" made more valid comments than you did . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
I crushed her claims with healthy counter-arguments and without any swear word. Today they got scared and deleted some of my comments. Also, they edited their own comments so that they look "softer". Orwell 1984. The thread: click here (http://blogs.elenasmodels.com/en/why-women-dont-answer/). But some readers already saw my comments there and I also saved the page on my computer. Some webarchives may keep cached copies, too.
Actually, to be honest, I thought "Elena" made more valid comments than you did . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
what a strong counterargument. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
I crushed her claims with healthy counter-arguments and without any swear word. Today they got scared and deleted some of my comments. Also, they edited their own comments so that they look "softer". Orwell 1984. The thread: click here (http://blogs.elenasmodels.com/en/why-women-dont-answer/). But some readers already saw my comments there and I also saved the page on my computer. Some webarchives may keep cached copies, too.
Actually, to be honest, I thought "Elena" made more valid comments than you did . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
what a strong counterargument. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
If we have a whip round and raise the $130 will you so kindly stop whining on about EM and FSUW??
I agree with Skakey.
Aha, Elena "is right", that why she modified or deleted her own comments full of primitive insults, irrelevant blubbering and false assumptions, after I totally destroyed her.
Aha, Elena "is right", that why she modified or deleted her own comments full of primitive insults, irrelevant blubbering and false assumptions, after I totally destroyed her.
Perhaps after responding you you, she had second thoughts, realized she lost her temper when responding to your accusations and remembered the truism, “Never wrestle a pig; you’ll both get muddy and the pig will enjoy it”.
She's losing her temper with everyone who wants to point to some problems on the site. She treats such customers like dirt. This is the first time she faced a man who confronted her with strong counterarguments and that's why she backed off in fear.
She's losing her temper with everyone who wants to point to some problems on the site. She treats such customers like dirt. This is the first time she faced a man who confronted her with strong counterarguments and that's why she backed off in fear.
I believe as a business owner it was inappropriate for her to comment on your physical appearance.
She's losing her temper with everyone who wants to point to some problems on the site. She treats such customers like dirt. This is the first time she faced a man who confronted her with strong counterarguments and that's why she backed off in fear.
I believe as a business owner it was inappropriate for her to comment on your physical appearance.
It's a bluff and cheap psychology.
She'll bomb you with false assumptions, hoping that they may correspond with your real situation. Then you will feel embarased, as if she spied on your profile, your pics and your mailbox. Actually, the commentators in her blogs do not necesarily have to be members of EM. You can comment as a guest by entering a nick and any email adress.
For example, she'll say: "don't chase young girls, get a 40+ woman!" (she falsely assumes that I'm middle aged like many men there).
Or "you can't pay our services, let alone going to Ukraine!" (she assumes that I'm some Joe the Plumber who has never been abroad). Or "clean your room", "lose weight", "put better pics" (many men on that site indeed need some improvements and she knows that).
Thus, some weak people may recognize themselves in her sentences and some are replying like: "Yes, Elena, you're right! Perhaps I'm contacting too young women and I do need to lose weight, better pics etc".
But, in my case, her assumptions were wrong. My pics are not bad (not like loser's webcam shots) and most of them are outdoors at interesting places. Also, I'm not middle aged and my realistic target is not 40+. And finally, I've been to UA many times and had gf's there (btw why she exactly mentioned UA? why not RU? or Tajikistan?)
She proved that she has no clue what she's talking about. She's a failure of a dating professional. After all this, whoever takes her seriously is an utter idiot.
She's losing her temper with everyone who wants to point to some problems on the site. She treats such customers like dirt. This is the first time she faced a man who confronted her with strong counterarguments and that's why she backed off in fear.
I believe as a business owner it was inappropriate for her to comment on your physical appearance.
It's a bluff and cheap psychology.
She'll bomb you with false assumptions, hoping that they may correspond with your real situation. Then you will feel embarased, as if she spied on your profile, your pics and your mailbox. Actually, the commentators in her blogs do not necesarily have to be members of EM. You can comment as a guest by entering a nick and any email adress.
For example, she'll say: "don't chase young girls, get a 40+ woman!" (she falsely assumes that I'm middle aged like many men there).
Or "you can't pay our services, let alone going to Ukraine!" (she assumes that I'm some Joe the Plumber who has never been abroad). Or "clean your room", "lose weight", "put better pics" (many men on that site indeed need some improvements and she knows that).
Thus, some weak people may recognize themselves in her sentences and some are replying like: "Yes, Elena, you're right! Perhaps I'm contacting too young women and I do need to lose weight, better pics etc".
But, in my case, her assumptions were wrong. My pics are not bad (not like loser's webcam shots) and most of them are outdoors at interesting places. Also, I'm not middle aged and my realistic target is not 40+. And finally, I've been to UA many times and had gf's there (btw why she exactly mentioned UA? why not RU? or Tajikistan?)
She proved that she has no clue what she's talking about. She's a failure of a dating professional. After all this, whoever takes her seriously is an utter idiot.
Do you know what the definition of insanity is? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
Why don't you join Lucky Lovers and/or some other sites? Move on with your life dude!!!
...So, the women on our site are right not to waste their time on you...
Quote from: Elena...So, the women on our site are right not to waste their time on you...
All things considered, Elena was being very subtle.
Quote from: Elena...So, the women on our site are right not to waste their time on you...
All things considered, Elena was being very subtle.
Quote from: Elena...So, the women on our site are right not to waste their time on you...
All things considered, Elena was being very subtle.
There're around 40 guests reading this thread. You can't stop the truth. Some of them may spread this on the social networks, am I right dear guests? The link to my latest article about Elena's Models is:
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg412152#msg412152
She was publicly defeated by me and she even deleted / modified her own comments. It's because she believes in what she says... ROFL :laugh:
If you have had FSUW girlfriends, speak Russian and have met many girls during your travels, why are you using a site like EM?
Come on, surely a suave, sophisticated, artsy guy like you can find what he's looking for without the help from an agency.
That's 40 people doing this: :ROFL:
If you have had FSUW girlfriends, speak Russian and have met many girls during your travels, why are you using a site like EM?Scratch the surface and a whole lot of different adjectives spring to mind to describe our hero.
Come on, surely a suave, sophisticated, artsy guy like you can find what he's looking for without help from an agency.
You just don't get it.That's 40 people doing this: :ROFL:
40 guests at the moment when I wrote that. Depending on the moment, there may be more or less. Many other people have already read my article since yesterday and more will follow. Some may share it with their friends. Many people will be warned and will vote with their wallets. You can cry but that's it.
Scratch the surface and a whole lot of different adjectives spring to mind to describe our hero.
You just don't get it.
You don't need to 'scratch the surface' to see who is or isnt involved in the dating business.Scratch the surface and a whole lot of different adjectives spring to mind to describe our hero.
Scratch the surface and you'll find out that some guys here are involved in the dating business. That's why they get so touchy when I say the truth. No sane person would condone unprofessional practices such as those which I described in my article about Elena's Models (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg412152#msg412152)
You just don't get it.
I get it. You tried to make a joke but you failed.
You don't need to 'scratch the surface' to see who is or isnt involved in the dating business.Scratch the surface and a whole lot of different adjectives spring to mind to describe our hero.
Scratch the surface and you'll find out that some guys here are involved in the dating business. That's why they get so touchy when I say the truth. No sane person would condone unprofessional practices such as those which I described in my article about Elena's Models (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg412152#msg412152)
Their profile clearly attributes that to them.
Therein lies your misunderstanding.
You'll find the answers in your own words. Just scratch your own surface and you'll see what is quite obvious to us onlookers. A rather unpleasant chap, by all your own accounts.You don't need to 'scratch the surface' to see who is or isnt involved in the dating business.Scratch the surface and a whole lot of different adjectives spring to mind to describe our hero.
Scratch the surface and you'll find out that some guys here are involved in the dating business. That's why they get so touchy when I say the truth. No sane person would condone unprofessional practices such as those which I described in my article about Elena's Models (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg412152#msg412152)
Their profile clearly attributes that to them.
If you're not involved in it, why do you attack me so much for talking about the problems in the dating scene and the dating industry?
And why do you condone mistreating of customers (such as on Elena's Models) and why do you condone the abuse of dating sites by some women?
I provided more than enough arguments to support my claims, what do you provide? Nothing.
If this thread was a dinner table, I provided foods, drinks and deserts (arguments, counterarguments). But Tom hasn't provided anything. Not even toothpicks. Total defeat.You seem to think this is a zero sum game.
Dogsoldier, I also find you unpleasant and that's why I don't want to talk to you. It's you that is following me writting irrelevant nonsense.What you think of me is of no consequence to me. You, however, should be concerned about the responses you get in your interactions with women. It's no surprise, really.
^ Au contraire! I brought Sterlin to the table.I doubt he'll get the significance of that.
Ok, Dogsoldier, you talk about me all the time, but you intentionally avoid to say a bad word about the unprofessional practices at Elena's Models and about the women who abuse such sites. Thank you for making your position clear. People should not trust you. Goodbye.This is your thread.
Tom, you had a chance to provide healthy counterarguments, but you failed (as ussual).
But enough about irrelevant nonsense, let's get back to the subject. Dear guests, today on the menu is my latest article about customer mistreatment on Elena's Models, which you can read by clicking here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg412152#msg412152). Thank you.
Some strange miracle happened. I was on the forum as ussual and I noticed some link saying "ignore" or something. I was curious what it is and I clicked it. Suddenly, some guy named Dogsoldier or something disappeared from my screen. He had enough chances for a normal conversation, but what can we do.It is a matter of indifference to me if I am placed on ignore, as would seem the case.
But enough about irrelevant nonsense, let's get back to the subject. Dear guests, today on the menu is my latest article about customer mistreatment on Elena's Models, which you can read by clicking here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg412152#msg412152). Thank you.
^ Au contraire! I brought Sterlin to the table.I doubt he'll get the significance of that.
Oh gawd, two of them. I t doesn't bear thinking about.^ Au contraire! I brought Sterlin to the table.I doubt he'll get the significance of that.
He probably wouldn't make the connection even if he read the link that I posted. We might as well invite Sterlin back so that LFTS will have a kindred spirit to commiserate with.
I felt like Solzhenitsyn in a GULAG.
If this thread was a dinner table, I provided foods, drinks and deserts..............
If this thread was a dinner table, I provided foods, drinks and deserts..............
I rather think I provided those. You brought wine.
Methinks he brought something a bit stronger to the table....If this thread was a dinner table, I provided foods, drinks and deserts..............
I rather think I provided those. You brought wine.
QuoteI felt like Solzhenitsyn in a GULAG.
I strongly dislike Solzhenitsyn, but comparing correspondence with a website admin/ owner to Gulag... T'ga... :duh:
QuoteI felt like Solzhenitsyn in a GULAG.
I strongly dislike Solzhenitsyn, but comparing correspondence with a website admin/ owner to Gulag... T'ga... :duh:
Why, Volshe?
If this thread was a dinner table, I provided foods, drinks and deserts..............
I rather think I provided those. You brought wine.
I think you have every right as a member of this forum to post your opinions and experiences regarding dealings with ANY marriage agency in the FSU on this forum.
Likewise, I think fellow forum members have every right to comment on your opinions, experiences and observations.
On EM's blog I felt as if some "Oberkapo" is shouting at me. For absolutely no reason and for my money. It's intolerable.
On EM's blog I felt as if some "Oberkapo" is shouting at me. For absolutely no reason and for my money. It's intolerable.
I understand.
Manny, I'm not whining, if that's what you are hinting at lol. And I think that you provided the table itself. The contents placed on the top of that table is brought by those who write.
Tom, for example, didn't bring anything to the party (I mean, in this thread). Not even a salt cellar. Or a napkin holder. Or toothpicks.
I read most of the exchange on the Elena blog you linked. I doubt that is her writing nowadays, but lets assume it reflects their general position. I didn't disagree with much I read.
Your problem is you wont take criticism or constructive points of view that differ to your own. You want to fight everyone. Anyone who did it before you is 'out of date'. But let me tell you, fundamentally, not much changed the last 10-15 years.
. . . It's time for them to look themselves in the mirror, to apologize publicly and most important, to reform.
Well, a gentleman is interested in lost causes only . . .
Tom, for example, didn't bring anything to the party (I mean, in this thread). Not even a salt cellar. Or a napkin holder. Or toothpicks.
We cross our bridges when we come to them and burn them behind us,
with nothing to show for our progress except a memory of the smell of smoke,
and a presumption that once our eyes watered.
The insults now have a topic of their own.
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=24524.0 (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=24524.0)
Carry on.
Volshe, what happened? Manny, as a forum owner, you must moderate this, remove insults, warn some members etc. Are you making a reality show out of it or I maybe got it wrong?
Volshe, what happened? Manny, as a forum owner, you must moderate this, remove insults, warn some members etc. Are you making a reality show out of it or I maybe got it wrong?
It was moderated. It was split off.
Volshe, what happened? Manny, as a forum owner, you must moderate this, remove insults, warn some members etc. Are you making a reality show out of it or I maybe got it wrong?
At a risk of being yelled at... :hidechair: I am a very peaseful person, I don't like fights but I may offer a perspective that could be useful.
I certainly don't know how to run a marriage agency, never used one, never had one and most likely never will. I certainly don't get any money from any of them :laugh:.
There are however certain things that may be common for many businesses.
A lot of frustration comes from people who believe that a client is always right. Which is within reason very true, but only upon one important condition that is often forgotten. That is, if that person is wanted by the business to be a client. The same person can be a client for one purpose but not for another. For example, I have a very small but stable and reliable (for now) niche that was very difficult to find, after many trials and errors. People who used my services or new people sometimes ask me to step outside my expertise and help them to do what seems to be similar to them but it's a very different thing. I am an editorial illustrator, not a graphic designer, not an interior designer, not a fine artist, not a craft artist or a technical illustrator or anything similar. I politely decline and if I know someone who specializes in what they want, I'll point to that person. My clients are only those who ask me to do what I do, without having to invest my time into something I don't do very well. The very same people will not be my clients if they ask for something else. Sometimes this leads to unnecessary frustration but there is nothing I can do about it. It's not their fault that they don't understand enough about my work, it's normal, for me to be able to explain they would need to have the same kind of experience and expertise that I have.
Again, I don't know how marriage agencies work. My understanding is that they are not actually arranging marriages. Technically, they are communication companies. If someone calls with spam or phishing we don't blame telephone companies for that. They just provide communication, and then it's up to communicating parties to make things work. I don't think they can step outside of what they do and start making arrangements that is not a part of their business model.
My two cents. Hope that helps.
QuoteI felt like Solzhenitsyn in a GULAG.
I strongly dislike Solzhenitsyn, but comparing correspondence with a website admin/ owner to Gulag... T'ga... :duh:
Why, Volshe?
Boris, for this :( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Hundred_Years_Together
p.s. the sad emoticon is not because i care about his opinion of Jews (whatever (:) ), but because of what he wrote there that Jews were cowards and he never buried one... Well he wasn't around when my grandfather died, he was WWII hero (i mean the medal.)
Other than that, "One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich" is ok, but he ( Solzhenitsyn) is way overrated for known reasons (:)
p.s.s. T'ga, sorry for the offtop
Thanks Volshe..That was an interesting read. It illustrates the problem of over generalization of a behavior or characteristics of an entire group based on one's individual experience.
person staring back from the bathroom mirror every morning.
we are able to form relationships and you are not
Gentlemen, you will not believe! In St. Petersburg, I stare at the picture of Peter Paul Rubens. I'm a little embarrassed female form. :innocent:
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Longing.....
I've just returned from a weeks break and attended a wedding in Minsk. Among the guests were half a dozen beautiful girls.....all single. It wasn't a big wedding and of course we all get talking over a few drams.
These girls were interested in our marriage and each expressed an interest in meeting and finding a decent bloke, whether foreign or native. Four of them are expanding their options by looking online and I'd have been delighted to meet the young ladies had I been looking.
Now what's your point..........
Longing.....
I've just returned from a weeks break and attended a wedding in Minsk. Among the guests were half a dozen beautiful girls.....all single. It wasn't a big wedding and of course we all get talking over a few drams.
These girls were interested in our marriage and each expressed an interest in meeting and finding a decent bloke, whether foreign or native. Four of them are expanding their options by looking online and I'd have been delighted to meet the young ladies had I been looking.
Now what's your point..........
Look, young man, the adults in this conversation grew out of your limited range of combative discourse tactics decades ago.
It's time to consider putting the wánker on moderation; he needs a babysitter.
When you 'irritate' certain members - I refer to them as the 'tag team' you will get threatened with moderation - you'll cross the boundary - as the tag team will provoke you - but control your responses and then you'll be 'banned' from this particular sandpit
Of course, it's the women's fault she was abused. She chose the wrong guy, after all.
4. I've wrote it myself many times that some FSU men misuse women, but you aren't reading. Many FSUW choose wrong guys, so they end up as single mums at 18, 19 or 20+. Your stories that being a good guy is always rewarded and that all FSUW are reasonable are not true. PERIOD.
You had me fooled there.
But you see, I'm not a virtual character who sits here 24/7, 365 days a year, while claiming to be "married" (like Tom or AvHdb). My life does not depend on this forum. I shared my opinions, I'm satisfied. Now they can ban me if they want. But there's no real reason for that.
I suppose normal to you is writing 47 pages of mindless repetitive rants. As has been oft repeated, it's little wonder you are sailing solo.........looks like they're all steering clear of you.
This forum is just a way for some not very impressive guys to get validation, they're patting each other's shoulders like "bravo, you got a great woman, you're a real man!". Normal people don't need to advertise that they're succesful with women. They're just enjoying life and they don't need anyones validation...
Do you think any "woman of quality" reading what you have said in this thread would want to be in a marriage with you?
I'd invite other readers to share any cases of which they know, whether it was themselves or an acquaintance who was so shamed - Does anyone here know of such a case?
I wonder, how similar was he to our hero here?
It's time to consider putting the wánker on moderation; he needs a babysitter.
Any guys who were, shall we say, normal?
And really, guys, stop renewing this thread. Let's go on with our offline lives (IF you have a life).
Andrewfi, I feel sorry for you. You're the last person in the world who should give lessons about dating.
That's why I and others suggested a degree of introspection, we know this stuff.
There's nothing that you can 'win' from me. However you can win when you get to understand that maybe some people here have been where you say you are and have done that which you can not.
AVHDb, you were talking with Anteros about me and you used swear words. I asked you to meet me in real and to tell me the same in my face, but you have no courage for that. You are brave only hidden behind the admins like a mouse. I'm very sad about your daughter. If she only knew what are you writting here she would disown you.
AVHdb, you need help.
AVHDb, you were talking with Anteros about me and you used swear words. I asked you to meet me in real and to tell me the same in my face, but you have no courage for that. You are brave only hidden behind the admins like a mouse. I'm very sad about your daughter. If she only knew what are you writting here she would disown you.
To make reference to a member's family is in very bad taste.
Yes you are correct; need to do some re-pointing of a brick wall feel free to pitch in. Beer and a barbeque at the end of the day are provided.
...And we have hit a new low...Who would have thought it possible :chuckle:
You don't have "coconuts" between your legs to really invite me home.
. . . I'd use those bricks and cement to block the door of my house, so I could never go out from shame. . .
To make reference to a member's family is in very bad taste.
Yankee, AVHDb made a reference to my family member in a much worse context (CLICK HERE (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=24524.msg412364#msg412364)), but you don't react. When AVHDb makes bad things, you all act blind, I know Yankee. You have agendas.
:chuckle:AVHdb, you need help.
Yes you are correct; need to do some re-pointing of a brick wall feel free to pitch in. Beer and a barbeque at the end of the day are provided.
AVDBh, you were publicly defeated and ashamed and no jokes would help you. You have no courage. Continue to live hiding like a mouse behind your fellow forumers and admins. Now you'll join my "Platinum Club" of ignored people, where you will meet Dogsoldier. Have fun together. After all, that's acceptable in some countries and we don't have prejudices.So, you do not hold yourself responsible for the content of what you say? Especially when you say something stupid or impolite or just out and out rude?
Yankee, you didn't comment yesterday, when Anteros, AVHDb and Tom used primitive and vulgar vocabulary in the following thread: CLICK HERE (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=24524). You are not impartial. Bye.
andrewfi, you are not a womanizer, you are not the greatest pick up artist, you are not Casanova, Don Juan or Rocco Sifredi. Don't force me to put your publicly available videos here, that you once posted, it will be not nice. Be realistic about yourself and stop whining.
And let's finally close this tiring thread. I'm fighting like 300 people per day and tho they all end defeated, still, it is getting boring and tiring.
AVDBh, you were publicly defeated and ashamed and no jokes would help you. You have no courage. Continue to live hiding like a mouse behind your fellow forumers and admins. Now you'll join my "Platinum Club" of ignored people, where you will meet Dogsoldier. Have fun together. After all, that's acceptable in some countries and we don't have prejudices.Av, welcome to the club. :ROFL:
Yankee, you didn't comment yesterday, when Anteros, AVHDb and Tom used primitive and vulgar vocabulary in the following thread: CLICK HERE (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=24524). You are not impartial. Bye.
andrewfi, you are not a womanizer, you are not the greatest pick up artist, you are not Casanova, Don Juan or Rocco Sifredi. Don't force me to put your publicly available videos here, it will be not nice. Be realistic about yourself and stop whining.
And let's finally close this tiring thread. I'm fighting like 300 people per day and tho they all end defeated, still, it is getting boring and tiring.
AVHdb (who has been caught several times commenting at 3-4 o'clock at night his local time, between two working days, instead of sleeping with his "wife")[/b].
We have sailed southern New England, shopped, visited Boston, shopped, gone to beaches, shopped, worked in/on my home here and shopped.
No he doesn't, if 50 pages has taught us nothing else.AVDBh, you were publicly defeated and ashamed and no jokes would help you. You have no courage. Continue to live hiding like a mouse behind your fellow forumers and admins. Now you'll join my "Platinum Club" of ignored people, where you will meet Dogsoldier. Have fun together. After all, that's acceptable in some countries and we don't have prejudices.So, you do not hold yourself responsible for the content of what you say? Especially when you say something stupid or impolite or just out and out rude?
Yankee, you didn't comment yesterday, when Anteros, AVHDb and Tom used primitive and vulgar vocabulary in the following thread: CLICK HERE (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=24524). You are not impartial. Bye.
andrewfi, you are not a womanizer, you are not the greatest pick up artist, you are not Casanova, Don Juan or Rocco Sifredi. Don't force me to put your publicly available videos here, that you once posted, it will be not nice. Be realistic about yourself and stop whining.
And let's finally close this tiring thread. I'm fighting like 300 people per day and tho they all end defeated, still, it is getting boring and tiring.
And let's finally close this tiring thread. . . it is getting boring and tiring.
And let's finally close this tiring thread. . . it is getting boring and tiring.
Perhaps the first wise words you have spoken.
I wonder if there is a way that Elena of Elena's Models could quietly direct all of her single ladies on her website to read these pages and see what this Gentleman is capable of? And perhaps a few others, maybe antidate? :laugh:
LFTS
this may seem a little ironic - but why do you 'rise' to the posters who aren't in a relationship / haven't been in one for some time.....
It's time to consider putting the wánker on moderation; he needs a babysitter.
This forum was supposed to be helping each other at all stages of a relationship....
And btw, Msmoby, this thread has nothing to do with helping me. I never asked for advices. I just shared my opinions. I have every right to do it.
This forum was supposed to be helping each other at all stages of a relationship....
For what it is worth Manny refocused the forum over a year ago.
From the site itself."This Is the Premier Discussion Forum on the Net for Information and Discussion about Russia, Ukraine, Eastern Europe and the Former Soviet Union. Discuss Culture, Politics, Travelling, Language, International Relationships and More. Chat with Travellers, Locals, Residents and Expats. Ask and Answer Questions about Travel, Culture, Relationships, Applying for Visas, Translators, Interpreters, and More. Give Advice, Read Trip Reports, Share Experiences and Make Friends."
And btw, Msmoby, this thread has nothing to do with helping me. I never asked for advices. I just shared my opinions. I have every right to do it.
hmm, I presumed that you shared your opinion to help others ...
and it's 'advice' ... pls take the latter as advice to improve your English - not sarcasm
Please do not assume the poster you put on ignore is addressing you ... he was addressing ME ...
I see that someone missed me :) Who missed me? :) Anteros, come to daddy, sit on his lap and he'll give you a lollipop.
Anteros, tell us now about the only FSU girlfriend that you had in your life and who was bi-polar by the way (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg409744#msg409744), and then give me lessons about FSU dating. Also tell these guys how we made a peace agreement on June 24 and how you were apologizing to me publicly (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg409754#msg409754), and also mention how you were sending me supportive private messages on June 28. So, why suddenly you attack me :) I see that you are very "consistent" in your beliefs and friendships heheh ;)
It's time to consider putting the wánker on moderation; he needs a babysitter.
Msmoby, I have no problems with differing opinions and everyone had a chance to express them in 51 pages, which are not filled only by myself, but also by many commentators.
But ad hominem attacks, insults and swearing is not OK. I wonder how come you never reacted to the primitive and vulgar vocabulary used by some posters and their trolling techniques (see Tom's words of wisdom below, he'd be banned in every normal forum).
BTW I once tried to leave a comment in AKA Luke's trip report and I was censored like in North Korea on the basis that "it's his private report". He has no courage to hear a differing opinion and runs to the admin every time when he dislikes a comment. Very "brave" guy.
Also, a comment must be well founded, to be based on an experience. For example, Andy and Anteros cannot give lessons about dating women. That dutch guy, I forgot his name, cannot give lessons about courage. And so on. You get it.It's time to consider putting the wánker on moderation; he needs a babysitter.
Anteros,
1. You had only one FSU girlfriend in your life, who was bi-polar by the way (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg409744#msg409744), and then you give me lessons about FSU dating heheh.
2. Remember how we made a peace agreement on June 24 and how you were apologizing to me publicly (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg409754#msg409754).
3. You were sending me supportive private messages on June 28. So, why suddenly you attack me? :)
4. Also, you have a limp (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg410289#msg410289), that doesn't make you very wanted by FSUW or any other woman.
5. You need professional attention Anteros. Learn to be consistent in your beliefs and in your relationships with people, esp. friendships. Surpress those other persons in your head. Otherwise, no one will trust you.
Anteros,
1. You had only one FSU girlfriend in your life, who was bi-polar by the way (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg409744#msg409744), and then you give me lessons about FSU dating heheh.
2. Remember how we made a peace agreement on June 24 and how you were apologizing to me publicly (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg409754#msg409754).
3. You were sending me supportive private messages on June 28. So, why suddenly you attack me? :)
4. Also, you have a limp (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg410289#msg410289), that doesn't make you very wanted by FSUW or any other woman.
5. You need professional attention Anteros. Learn to be consistent in your beliefs and in your relationships with people, esp. friendships. Surpress those other persons in your head. Otherwise, no one will trust you.
FYI I don't have a limp, that's what is called a "little white lie" or shall we say deliberate misinformation. Still want to meet me fact to face? Still willing to pay any price to do that? I will be passing through CDG in Paris end of August, beginning of September. Send me a PM and perhaps we can agree to a date. :)
Msmoby, I have no problems with differing opinions and everyone had a chance to express them in 51 pages, which are not filled only by myself, but also by many commentators.
But ad hominem attacks, insults and swearing is not OK. I wonder how come you never reacted to the primitive and vulgar vocabulary used by some posters and their trolling techniques (see Tom's words of wisdom below, he'd be banned in every normal forum).
BTW I once tried to leave a comment in AKA Luke's trip report and I was censored like in North Korea on the basis that "it's his private report". He has no courage to hear a differing opinion and runs to the admin every time when he dislikes a comment. Very "brave" guy.
Also, a comment must be well founded, to be based on an experience. For example, Andy and Anteros cannot give lessons about dating women. That dutch guy, I forgot his name, cannot give lessons about courage. And so on. You get it.It's time to consider putting the wánker on moderation; he needs a babysitter.
Anteros,
1. You had only one FSU girlfriend in your life, who was bi-polar by the way (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg409744#msg409744), and then you give me lessons about FSU dating heheh.
2. Remember how we made a peace agreement on June 24 and how you were apologizing to me publicly (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg409754#msg409754).
3. You were sending me supportive private messages on June 28. So, why suddenly you attack me? :)
4. Also, you have a limp (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg410289#msg410289), that doesn't make you very wanted by FSUW or any other woman.
5. You need professional attention Anteros. Learn to be consistent in your beliefs and in your relationships with people, esp. friendships. Surpress those other persons in your head. Otherwise, no one will trust you.
FYI I don't have a limp, that's what is called a "little white lie" or shall we say deliberate misinformation. Still want to meet me fact to face? Still willing to pay any price to do that? I will be passing through CDG in Paris end of August, beginning of September. Send me a PM and perhaps we can agree to a date. :)
Why not! But then why you were avoiding meeting in real when I wrote you a PM on July 20?? You suddenly became brave or something?
Hahahahahh man you're so sad hahahaha man i can't believe hahahah i never laughed so much someone to embarass himself so much hahahah man tears come form my eyes from lauhging hahahah how can someone be so... so ... i can't write
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-NDKfrQmyS_w/Va-cg1XyluI/AAAAAAAAADw/9DhDEEvd314/s800-Ic42/anteros.jpg)
hahahah hey jackass here you go.
I wonder how come you never reacted to the primitive and vulgar vocabulary used by some posters and their trolling techniques (see Tom's words of wisdom below, he'd be banned in every normal forum).
It's time to consider putting the wánker on moderation; he needs a babysitter.
Trip Report threads are treated differently than Train Wreck threads---and for good reason. We want people to share their experiences honestly without being subject to undue criticism that make make them hold back. As far as I can tell this thread isn't a Trip Report or even a Train Wreck thread...Just an immature pissing and moaning thread.
MSMOBY, I do get dates, my friend. It's impossible not to get them in the FSU.
It's just I wanted to talk about certain problems in the dating scene / business and some negative trends among some young FSUW. There's nothing wrong to talk about the bad things sometimes. I never denied that there're wonderful women there and I have an experience. Both positive and negative.
Thanks for explaining Tom's role in all this. I knew that he has a protection by the admins here and that's why he is so "brave" (virtually). What can I add, I'm not a virtual character like him, I'll lose nothing if I get banned. I shared my opinions, I'm satisfied. I just don't understand why they keep on "renewing" this thread. It's too much, 51 pages, just close it, people.
In the end, let's repeat some of Tom's words of wisdom. I agree that FSUW should read this forum to understand what kind of characters are dating / marrying them. 100% AGREE!
Why not let others have the ' last word' and let us know your experiences - rather than getting moderated .... Again, this is very much ''do as I say, not as I do'' :chuckle:
True, Anteros wrote me, I wrote him back and he says: we'll meet but under my terms. first you send me your personal details and your photos. HAHAHAHAH I have no wiser thing to do in life than to send my private details to some guy who I have no clue who he is. and he will certainly not share it with other forumers or the police at the airport where he suggested the meeting to take place. yeah sure HAHAHAHAHAH Man, this is circus for free. Anteros, what can I add after all this siliness I dunno, just fly.
AKA Luke, I wrote you a decent reply: click here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg413210#msg413210). I'm sad that I wasted few bytes on the server for you. You are an ordinary troll, hidden like a mouse behind the admins, who are always here to save you, when someone writes something that you dislike. Like a spoiled little child.
You had your chance to debate normally, but now you'll join the "Troll Valhalla", also known as "The Platinum Ignore Club". There you'll meet nice people like Dogsoldier, AVHDb etc. Have fun together. We don't have any prejudices. I'm clicking ignore now.
AKA Luke, I wrote you a decent reply: click here (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=21705.msg413210#msg413210). I'm sad that I wasted few bytes on the server for you. You are an ordinary troll, hidden like a mouse behind the admins, who are always here to save you, when someone writes something that you dislike. Like a spoiled little child.At this rate, you'll have to put yourself on ignore soon.
You had your chance to debate normally, but now you'll join the "Troll Valhalla", also known as "The Platinum Ignore Club". There you'll meet nice people like Dogsoldier, AVHDb etc. Have fun together. We don't have any prejudices. I'm clicking ignore now.
I won Andy, it's over. I replied with healthy counterarguments to literaly everyone and I smashed all their false claims and insults to pieces. There's nothing to be added. From this moment on, I'm not wasting time in serious replies anymore. BTW I wrote you like 258334873483 replies and you're still whining. No more replies for you, sorry. You lost.Seriously, is he 12 yrs old?
As an impartial observer I declare LFTS the loser. I am incorruptible and Unshak'en Bakeable. That is the last word on the subject as declared by the Priests of the Temple of Syrinx:
Those who post after this will incur the wrath of the Knights who say Ni:
:fighting0025:
I won Andy, it's over. I replied with healthy counterarguments to literaly everyone and I smashed all their false claims and insults to pieces. There's nothing to be added. From this moment on, I'm not wasting time in serious replies anymore. BTW I wrote you like 258334873483 replies and you're still whining. No more replies for you, sorry. You lost.Seriously, is he 12 yrs old?
I won Andy, it's over. I replied with healthy counterarguments to literaly everyone and I smashed all their false claims and insults to pieces. There's nothing to be added. From this moment on, I'm not wasting time in serious replies anymore. BTW I wrote you like 258334873483 replies and you're still whining. No more replies for you, sorry. You lost.Seriously, is he 12 yrs old?
It's time to consider putting the wánker on moderation