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Title: international Dating Dead?
Post by: NS1 on October 08, 2019, 04:17:30 PM
Since I originally came here, everyone said the business is dying.
Is it really? or is it just changing?
A few have stuck to the same old line, likely because they can't adjust to change or admit they are wrong.

Few years ago, I read in 2005, 5% of relationships started from the internet.
In 2012 it was 18%, they were predicting by 2020 85% would start there.
I am not sure of current statistics, but you can bet it's high.

I believe the traditional MOB business is likely dead, but I believe international dating
is growing. Travel easier than ever, internet and endless apps allow for easy communication.

So the question is, what do you think?
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: dcguyusa on October 08, 2019, 04:32:50 PM
Yes, I agree that online dating numbers have increased since the mid-1990s. It allows you to an expanded number of potential mates than just dating locally.  Just as with electronic filing of tax returns, it was below 10% back in the early 1990s.  Now it is around 90%.

The MOB business in this country was dead after the transcontinental railroad was built and connected all regions of the country.  However, in many third world countries, MOB industry still thrives and is the standard where dowry and arranged marriages are still practiced.  However, there are still some men in the western world with the "Tarzan" mentality.   :chuckle:
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Omega1982 on October 08, 2019, 09:57:55 PM
Allow me to quote Manny in several phrases.  I think all of the below which is 100% accurate has made Americans less interesting. 

"Americans have lost their cache" 

"The US isn't making any friends" 

"De dollarization"

"Sunset on the US and the dollar" 

"China is the world's largest economy" 
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Guile on October 09, 2019, 06:36:00 AM
that's just media talk...have you actually been in Russia lately and get people's reaction when you tell them you are American?
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: msmoby on October 09, 2019, 07:11:51 AM


Those knowing folks who rent out properties and have FREQUENT USians wife-hunting in the FSU would smile and be glad of the reality.

Steveboy has plenty of 'clients' - so many he can toss 'em out - knowing they'll STILL be back ;)

I wonder how many of his clients actually get on the plane ..


In the meantime who knows how many right swipes are happening with dating apps ..



Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: NS1 on October 09, 2019, 04:06:08 PM
that's just media talk...have you actually been in Russia lately and get people's reaction when you tell them you are American?

Thats the point, we focus on the FSU as that's where most of us looked.
Even 90 day finance visa a few years ago were ladies from Eastern Europe.
It's now all over the world. Many are using apps and not traditional dating sites.

Must be dead if I can't see it, is the mentality. I suspect its changing, not shrinking.
I also suspect less people come to  places like this because of the feedback they get.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: 2tallbill on October 10, 2019, 12:09:06 PM
Since I originally came here, everyone said the business is dying.
Is it really? or is it just changing?
A few have stuck to the same old line, likely because they can't adjust to change or admit they are wrong.

Few years ago, I read in 2005, 5% of relationships started from the internet.
In 2012 it was 18%, they were predicting by 2020 85% would start there.
I am not sure of current statistics, but you can bet it's high.

I believe the traditional MOB business is likely dead, but I believe international dating
is growing. Travel easier than ever, internet and endless apps allow for easy communication.

So the question is, what do you think?

I posted a long thoughtful post and it disappeared

F#ck! F#ck! F#ck! F#ck!



Cliff notes version of my long thoughtful post.

Point One
There will always be international dating for the socially skilled adventurous
men around the world. It's the inept neophytes that are going to struggle mightily.

Point Two
There will always be places plagued with socialism, corruption, graft, etc.
As long as that exists there will always be women who want to better their
circumstances.

I will have to come back later and make all the subtle points that I wanted to
make that disappeared.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 10, 2019, 01:40:24 PM
 Globalisation, the availability of cheap air travel and the internet has made the world a smaller place.
Peoples exposure to other places and cultures has expanded at an astonishing pace.
This will only greatly increase the dating pool as men ( and women) move around the world, both physically and virtually, interact with each other and forge relationships apace.

The international dating scene is alive and well.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: andrewfi on October 10, 2019, 03:56:53 PM
While people move around more than they did, the number who do so, other than as refugees, is still tiny. In the EU this is a matter of some concern at high levels.
I think that the number of people who actively engage in travel to further, or start, some kind of romantic relationship is tiny and will remain so. The idea of 'increasing one's dating pool' is a myth that some people cling to in order to rationalise failure. There's no magic that makes people in a different country easier or better, or more likely to engage in a romantic relationship with some random foreign guy (or girl). What I think happens is that we succeed at the things we put effort into.

What does happen is that people who find themselves in new countries, for whatever reason, seek romance, love, sex. Modern technologies do make that much easier than in even the recent past. I have been very pleasantly surprised by that. The tools I used didn't exist 10 years ago, or didn't have the required network effect to be effective.

I'd bet that if one were to look at, for example, US K1 visas issued to women to settle with men who were not from the same country as themselves, that the numbers will not have shifted in any meaningful way. In 2014 fewer than 36,000 K1 visas were issued to fiancées of either sex. That's a tiny number.
The trend is showing upward but are tiny in absolute terms. The numbers in this table include kids and all other K1 subgroups.
(https://www.visatutor.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/statistics1.png)
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: NS1 on October 10, 2019, 04:54:19 PM
Andrew you maybe correct in some aspects.
When I began it was a bit of a holiday / slash adventure.
Not really thinking long term, what I realized is, in todays world
why limit myself to my city?

I then put together a realistic plan based on current times and
I could not leave where I was, because of my work. ( not easily transferable)
So I looked at only people willing to relocate.

When you compare  the US visa's they may have gone down, consider how many in the world view
the US at certain times that number is likely to change often. Also many people are coming visa for school
work etc, then decide to stay because they found love.

I have met 3 couple in last few months, ( yes small sample ) also small town.
But two were men and one women, who came because of meeting someone,
from US to Canada.

Point being when you look it from a Global perspective, the number could be quite big.
I think people are looking much further afield for romance. From many countries.
The internet and all the new ways for people to connect only make that easier and likely
to grow. Along with as said above the relative ease of travel and information.

Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: andrewfi on October 10, 2019, 05:59:41 PM
As I said, people have relationships where they are. Two people meeting in the USA are not engaged in international dating. They are dating in the United States.

A K1 visa requires at least one meeting of the partners outside the USA. That's international.

If we, we very generously, assume that ALL the people arriving in the USA on a K1 got married, that's 36,000 in 2014 and we know that in 2014, in the United States there were around 2.4 million marriages then we can see that marriage as the result of international dating represents less than 1.5% of marriages.

We also know from government analysis of visa applications that a large proportion of K1 visa applications are for people who are from the same country that the USAian originally came from. Poles import Poles, Latvians import Latvians, again, hardly international dating. But this reduces the maximum 1.5% even further.

While I have not plotted a trend, and can't be arsed to do so, it is blindingly obvious that very, very, few people are actively indulging in international dating. They might fantasise about it but they clearly take no action.

Is international dating dead?
In the USA, at least, it might not be dead, but the doctors caring for the patient are discussing, in hushed tones, whether to turn off the life support machines. While the hospital administration urges them to keep the machines on in order to keep revenues coming into the business.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: BillyB on October 10, 2019, 09:30:50 PM
I believe the traditional MOB business is likely dead, but I believe international dating
is growing. Travel easier than ever, internet and endless apps allow for easy communication.


You are correct. People can do it themselves on the internet without a marriage agency. International dating is growing. America is issuing more spousal and fiancée visas over the years. In one chart below, it shows k-1's issued the last couple years is down but the pending k-1s went way up. Trump's immigration office has been very busy doing other things but according to the chart, they are catching up and approvals are up and pending is going down.

https://rapidvisa.com/k1-visa-report/#5_1
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: andrewfi on October 11, 2019, 03:04:27 AM
Billy, the report writers do not agree with your conclusion in respect of the numbers of people using K1 visas to migrate to the United States and the evidence of their data (the same as the US Government's data) is clear.

Here is what the report writers say on the matter:
Quote
K-1 visa applications have remained steady but flat over the years. Moreover, they constitute a tiny fraction of overall visa admissions.

Worth noting when considering who are the sponsors is that the sample used by Rapidvisa is limited to their own clients, a self-selected group and may well not be typical of the overall universe of sponsors - indeed there are good reasons to think that might be the case. People who are familiar with the process by association are unlikely to use a 3rd party agency given that they already have the skills and knowledge available to them from within their community.

By the way, NS1, your original question is based upon a faulty premise. You are claiming that people here have said that international dating is dying out. That's not correct. I and others have pointed out that the mail order bride business in the United States was dying and that has clearly proven to be true.

'International dating' the process whereby people travel to another country specifically to meet and woo people from another country is at the same low level as it has been for many, many years. In the case of the USA, we can use K1 visa issuance as a proxy for international dating because living together is the general and hoped-for outcome of a successful dating process.
Unless there is evidence to suggest that the number of people traveling to find a life partner is increasing but that the success rate of the relationship initiated in this way has fallen then the only rational conclusion is that the overall levels of love-seekers traveling internationally from the USA has remained the same for many years.

What we can suggest is that the mode of meeting has changed from an agency-based approach toward an individual approach, albeit still mediated by some form of paid-for service.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: msmoby on October 11, 2019, 04:53:30 AM
Indeed you have suggested the 'death of the Russian Bride', but the veracity of not a few of your 'gut feelings' and 'research' has hardly been stellar.

You 'backed' a web based platform and dating apps came along and now potential couples have even less middle-men feeding from the trough.

In the mean time, real people from the west are still meeting real people from the FSU, in the FSU.




 

Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 11, 2019, 06:29:40 AM
The numbers of People travelling for the specific purpose of finding a partner may be stagnant but I would venture that the numbers of people finding partners internationally as a result of greater travel opportunities, increased job opportunities, easily available information is much higher than a few decades back.
People are on the move and putting down roots in far flung places.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Steveboy on October 11, 2019, 08:00:55 AM
International Dating is still alive and kicking and will be for a long time yet!

As for FSU women dating yeah that is well and truly dead now if your looking for a women your grand daughters age.. and probably if your a guy under 40 years old you will struggle.

For serious men seeking a FSU women actually it is as easy as 1-2-3 if you providing the following :

1. You're a min of 45/50 years old.. probably the other side of 50 is best .. late 50's early 60's you can find endless women if your realistic in your search criteria.

2. You search for a women 10 years younger than yourself easy as 1-2-3 you can do it within 6 months! 15 years depends.. 20 years that is near finished now..

3. Just in case your not so luck in chatting some women up , maybe don't look like brad pit.. that's no big problem either, just be prepared to spend 2/3 years seeking your ideal partner .. stick at it and again its as easy as 1-2-3

4. Sign up to a reputable dating site..

5. Forget about the CNN news and Hollywood your NOT going to marry a young beauty queen!

I would say best chances are if your 50-60 and realistic, lots of beautiful mature women out their in their 40's .. if that is not good enough for you, you may as give up this very minute..

And lastly if your a bit tubby , maybe not looking like a super star maybe lack in communication skills maybe been living with mom for 35 years, remember there is always some one for everyone..   https://bridesandlovers.com/women-ukraine-brides-weight-chubby

It is also very important when starting your search that you will NOT be rescuing the women from a life of poverty making her in debt to you for ever, and foreever ready to do your cooking and cleaning, many men are thinking along these lines, they generally stay single for ever..







Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: andrewfi on October 11, 2019, 09:03:20 AM
The numbers of People travelling for the specific purpose of finding a partner may be stagnant but I would venture that the numbers of people finding partners internationally as a result of greater travel opportunities, increased job opportunities, easily available information is much higher than a few decades back.
People are on the move and putting down roots in far flung places.

I doubt that's true. At least not in any meaningful sense. I read a while back about the concerns of the EU about the low levels of real mobility within the EU. yet the EU is about the easiest group of countries in the world in which to move around. I'd be surprised if anywhere else in the world had greater movement that then EU, with the exception of some specific pairings of countries for economic reasons.

The richest EU economies have the lowest propensity to move and the poorest the greatest. Poland with more than 2,000,000 people migrated out of the country dominates in terms of numbers. But in percentage terms, the rich countries are, on the whole significantly lower than 2%. How many of those Poles are actually marrying people other than Poles? A whole load of them move individually and send money back to their families, same for the other countries with large(ish) migrant populations.

Very few people actually do as you suggest. Of course, when one is in the middle of an expat community it probably feels different!
(https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/3/39/Native-born_population_living_in_another_EU_Member_State%2C_2011_%28%25_share_of_total_population%29_PITEU17.png)
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: BillyB on October 11, 2019, 09:50:12 AM
Billy, the report writers do not agree with your conclusion in respect of the numbers of people using K1 visas to migrate to the United States and the evidence of their data (the same as the US Government's data) is clear.

Here is what the report writers say on the matter:
Quote
K-1 visa applications have remained steady but flat over the years. Moreover, they constitute a tiny fraction of overall visa admissions.


I don't care what their conclusion in the quote says. This thread isn't talking about the amount of k-1 visas compared to tourist, business, student, and other visas. This thread is talking about international relationships. The charts in the link I provided are clear. If anybody wants to call the number of K-1s applied for per year flat over the years, that is fine but the number of spousal visas have skyrocketed. Way more Americans are marrying foreigners today than a few years ago. The number of IR-1 spousal visas doubled in 2017 compared to 2013.

My conclusion is NS1 is correct when he says international dating is growing because more serious relationships that end in marriage are a result of it.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: andrewfi on October 11, 2019, 10:23:09 AM
Billy, go read! The numbers have hardly shifted.
If you doubt me, why not write out the list of K1 visas issued, by year, and paste them in here?

The words I quoted are perfectly clear to anyone with a passing level of English comprehension.

Ask a native English speaker whether "K-1 visa applications have remained steady but flat over the years." means that there has been a significant increase in numbers or if it means they have remained almost the same.

 :'(
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: BillyB on October 11, 2019, 10:42:33 AM
Billy, go read! The numbers have hardly shifted.
If you doubt me, why not write out the list of K1 visas issued, by year, and paste them in here?


Reading and COMPREHENDING are the keys! Where did I say k1 visas issued are up? I've said k1 visa issued are actually down while the pending k1s are up. Visas related to international relationships are spousal and fiancée overall are up which translate to more people getting involved in international dating. When addressing this topic, you've only discussed k1 visas so your conclusion pertaining to this topic will be flawed.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Manny on October 11, 2019, 12:19:44 PM
I would venture that the numbers of people finding partners internationally as a result of greater travel opportunities, increased job opportunities, easily available information is much higher than a few decades back.
People are on the move and putting down roots in far flung places.

I agree with that. People travelling for work, gap years, etc. Much of that is people happening to meet people while there rather than pre-planned 'international dating'. Case in point: we had a chap and his wife round we know recently that we have not seen for a while. Their two kids are now out of regular education. The daughter is studying to be a vet and has found herself in New York and has met a young American guy she is in a relationship with. The son (who studied Spanish in school) is in Spain and very involved with some Spanish girl he met. While both those are dating foreign born people, they are doing so while living abroad and didn't set out to do some 'international dating' as such.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Manny on October 11, 2019, 12:46:04 PM
The idea of 'increasing one's dating pool' is a myth that some people cling to in order to rationalise failure. There's no magic that makes people in a different country easier or better, or more likely to engage in a romantic relationship with some random foreign guy (or girl). What I think happens is that we succeed at the things we put effort into.

I disagree. As you have recently found out, the UK dating scene is full of fat fairies. It was the same 10-15 years ago. I dont find those women appealing. However, Russia was bristling with far more appealing looking women who had a more appealing mindset and similar values to me. I increased the size of my dating pool and did rather well from it. I'd still be looking in the UK to find a woman who had so many things that appealed to me. So it aint a myth.

That said.......

By the way, NS1, your original question is based upon a faulty premise. You are claiming that people here have said that international dating is dying out. That's not correct. I and others have pointed out that the mail order bride business in the United States was dying and that has clearly proven to be true.

This is true. The MOB marriage business has died pretty much (communication will remain active*). Not just in the US, either. Yes, the street cred/cache of dating an American has long since gone away. Russophobic international politics, the vulgarity of Trump, the belligerence of the US war machine abroad, the decrease of US disposable income and local media all play a tiny part in making the US, and by extension its men, less palatable. Added to which the economy of Russia and the FSU generally has grown. This means women dont have to make financial/future security choices like they once did. Why twenty odd year age gaps are mostly a thing of the past.

As for FSU women dating yeah that is well and truly dead now if your looking for a women your grand daughters age.. and probably if your a guy under 40 years old you will struggle.

For serious men seeking a FSU women actually it is as easy as 1-2-3 if you providing the following :

1. You're a min of 45/50 years old.. probably the other side of 50 is best .. late 50's early 60's you can find endless women if your realistic in your search criteria.

2. You search for a women 10 years younger than yourself easy as 1-2-3 you can do it within 6 months! 15 years depends.. 20 years that is near finished now..

Most men who enter this are reading old Elena's Models and similar nonsense from twenty odd years ago. They approach the endeavour with the same unrealistic expectations as ever. Some dude in his 50s/60s imagines he will bag some Ukrainian bird of 23 who looks like a model. Well, good luck to the sites who are parting those fools from their money. Most of those blokes dont even have a passport and imagine Sexy Olga will arrive to him. It's all the same bollox as it always was - but with fewer available women.

*The dating sites dont earn from marriages; they earn from communication. Marriage is the purported aim of the correspondents. From the odd one that might happen, it gives them something to put on their 'success' page. But I'd wager less than 1% of western dating site correspondents ever get on a plane. And that's quite handy because a similarly low number of advertised woman are actually real, single, available, looking and writing on behalf of themselves.

It's like shooting fish in barrel for the neophyte. People who do the learning can still do well. Like anything in life. But the numbers are miniscule.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Steveboy on October 11, 2019, 01:05:33 PM
The idea of 'increasing one's dating pool' is a myth that some people cling to in order to rationalise failure. There's no magic that makes people in a different country easier or better, or more likely to engage in a romantic relationship with some random foreign guy (or girl). What I think happens is that we succeed at the things we put effort into.

I disagree. As you have recently found out, the UK dating scene is full of fat fairies. It was the same 10-15 years ago. I dont find those women appealing. However, Russia was bristling with far more appealing looking women who had a more appealing mindset and similar values to me. I increased the size of my dating pool and did rather well from it. I'd still be looking in the UK to find a woman who had so many things that appealed to me. So it aint a myth.

That said.......

By the way, NS1, your original question is based upon a faulty premise. You are claiming that people here have said that international dating is dying out. That's not correct. I and others have pointed out that the mail order bride business in the United States was dying and that has clearly proven to be true.

This is true. The MOB marriage business has died pretty much (communication will remain active*). Not just in the US, either. Yes, the street cred/cache of dating an American has long since gone away. Russophobic international politics, the vulgarity of Trump, the belligerence of the US war machine abroad, the decrease of US disposable income and local media all play a tiny part in making the US, and by extension its men, less palatable. Added to which the economy of Russia and the FSU generally has grown. This means women dont have to make financial/future security choices like they once did. Why twenty odd year age gaps are mostly a thing of the past.

As for FSU women dating yeah that is well and truly dead now if your looking for a women your grand daughters age.. and probably if your a guy under 40 years old you will struggle.

For serious men seeking a FSU women actually it is as easy as 1-2-3 if you providing the following :

1. You're a min of 45/50 years old.. probably the other side of 50 is best .. late 50's early 60's you can find endless women if your realistic in your search criteria.

2. You search for a women 10 years younger than yourself easy as 1-2-3 you can do it within 6 months! 15 years depends.. 20 years that is near finished now..

Most men who enter this are reading old Elena's Models and similar nonsense from twenty odd years ago. They approach the endeavour with the same unrealistic expectations as ever. Some dude in his 50s/60s imagines he will bag some Ukrainian bird of 23 who looks like a model. Well, good luck to the sites who are parting those fools from their money. Most of those blokes dont even have a passport and imagine Sexy Olga will arrive to him. It's all bollox.

The dating sites dont earn from marriages; they earn from communication. Marriage is the purported aim of the correspondents. From the odd one that might happen, it gives them something to put on their 'success' page. But I'd wager less than 1% of western dating site correspondents ever get on a plane. And that's quite handy because a similarly low number of advertised woman are actually real, single, available, looking and writing on behalf of themselves.

It's like shooting fish in barrel for the neophyte.

There is no Russian brides dating sites left they are all now defunct@!

https://www.similarweb.com/website/*Unapproved Link*     Dead!

https://www.similarweb.com/website/bride.ru.          Dead!

https://www.similarweb.com/website/hotrussianbrides.com.   Dead!

The list goes on and on!! Even one you mentioned is near Dead!

There are less than 5 sites left..

And its not all about numbers its about offering real people in an absolute scam free environment..

https://www.similarweb.com/website/bridesandlovers.com   Top Destination for all members is the payment page.. :thumbsup:  You will not find anywhere else..those stats..

Lots have changed over the last few years as well as younger women no longer interested you now find a huge amount of registrations from Western Europe are either called Mohammed .. Rasheed ...Mustafa. .. and so on!! It must be really strange for the women seeking for example a Swedish man and seeing all these guys! Most of these men obviously like  white Caucasian women.. and clearly the locals are not interested in them.. so they watch CNN new and try to find them selves a poor desperate women to relocate to their country to do the cooking and cleaning whilst they sit on their ass all  day.. Yeah it happens all the time now, its one of the biggest changes I think..

Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: NS1 on October 11, 2019, 02:21:03 PM
Using the USA alone is not realistic. Many more countries with large populations have the internet now, LOL.
I think Steveboy is correct, the providers who keep up with the times and adjust platforms constantly,
likely do quite well. Many men and women are doing it on there own as well.
We joke about 90 day visa.
they have a show called 90 days the other way, people leaving the US and going to
country of their chosen partners. not just men, women as well.

I simply believe internationally dating is growing, name it what ever you want.
Here years ago, the MOB business. Of all the stories I have read here and other forums.
I have not read one report, where someone mailed away and a bride was sent off
( Oh doesn't mean it didn't happen ) I have just never read it.

1000's of war brides and men happened that way after 2nd world war.
this does not change, it just evolves.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Mr strange on October 11, 2019, 04:27:53 PM
The idea of 'increasing one's dating pool' is a myth that some people cling to in order to rationalise failure. There's no magic that makes people in a different country easier or better, or more likely to engage in a romantic relationship with some random foreign guy (or girl). What I think happens is that we succeed at the things we put effort into.

I disagree. As you have recently found out, the UK dating scene is full of fat fairies. It was the same 10-15 years ago. I dont find those women appealing. However, Russia was bristling with far more appealing looking women who had a more appealing mindset and similar values to me. I increased the size of my dating pool and did rather well from it. I'd still be looking in the UK to find a woman who had so many things that appealed to me. So it aint a myth.

That said.......

By the way, NS1, your original question is based upon a faulty premise. You are claiming that people here have said that international dating is dying out. That's not correct. I and others have pointed out that the mail order bride business in the United States was dying and that has clearly proven to be true.

This is true. The MOB marriage business has died pretty much (communication will remain active*). Not just in the US, either. Yes, the street cred/cache of dating an American has long since gone away. Russophobic international politics, the vulgarity of Trump, the belligerence of the US war machine abroad, the decrease of US disposable income and local media all play a tiny part in making the US, and by extension its men, less palatable. Added to which the economy of Russia and the FSU generally has grown. This means women dont have to make financial/future security choices like they once did. Why twenty odd year age gaps are mostly a thing of the past.

As for FSU women dating yeah that is well and truly dead now if your looking for a women your grand daughters age.. and probably if your a guy under 40 years old you will struggle.

For serious men seeking a FSU women actually it is as easy as 1-2-3 if you providing the following :

1. You're a min of 45/50 years old.. probably the other side of 50 is best .. late 50's early 60's you can find endless women if your realistic in your search criteria.

2. You search for a women 10 years younger than yourself easy as 1-2-3 you can do it within 6 months! 15 years depends.. 20 years that is near finished now..

Most men who enter this are reading old Elena's Models and similar nonsense from twenty odd years ago. They approach the endeavour with the same unrealistic expectations as ever. Some dude in his 50s/60s imagines he will bag some Ukrainian bird of 23 who looks like a model. Well, good luck to the sites who are parting those fools from their money. Most of those blokes dont even have a passport and imagine Sexy Olga will arrive to him. It's all the same bollox as it always was - but with fewer available women.

*The dating sites dont earn from marriages; they earn from communication. Marriage is the purported aim of the correspondents. From the odd one that might happen, it gives them something to put on their 'success' page. But I'd wager less than 1% of western dating site correspondents ever get on a plane. And that's quite handy because a similarly low number of advertised woman are actually real, single, available, looking and writing on behalf of themselves.

It's like shooting fish in barrel for the neophyte. People who do the learning can still do well. Like anything in life. But the numbers are miniscule.

As for Elena Petrova she warns against PPL, the typical expections of men who gets the age wrong thinking they can get a bride under 30.

Then how to avoid the typical scams   Main one being trying to bag a girl under 30 and get the rip of treatment.

That is part of how to stop wasting your money on dating from 2016 which is inexpensive information if you want to be a succes in Russia or Ukraine
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: BillyB on October 11, 2019, 05:28:31 PM
Then how to avoid the typical scams   Main one being trying to bag a girl under 30 and get the rip of treatment.


The girls under 30 who'd scam people will someday become girls over 30 who scam people except they're more experienced and better at what they do. Age isn't the problem. It's the individuals who have character flaws that are problems. Men who think with their little heads can't figure out character flaws in women.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Steveboy on October 11, 2019, 05:37:12 PM
Then how to avoid the typical scams   Main one being trying to bag a girl under 30 and get the rip of treatment.


The girls under 30 who'd scam people will someday become girls over 30 who scam people except they're more experienced and better at what they do. Age isn't the problem. It's the individuals who have character flaws that are problems. Men who think with their little heads can't figure out character flaws in women.

No they retire once they hit 30!! Cos once they get older there is no business for them! Dating sites are full of idiots looking for a girl 30 years younger than themselves for marriage.. probably 70%..

The older men who seek mature women or a women not young enough to be the grad daughter are not so stupid.. It is not so easy to scam these men , so older scammers have little business, they need to be very very clever to make a living..
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: BillyB on October 11, 2019, 05:48:59 PM
No they retire once they hit 30!! Cos once they get older there is no business for them!


They don't retire. They'd find a sucker by then to marry to and continue to scam. Leopards don't change their spots.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Steveboy on October 12, 2019, 03:12:48 AM
No they retire once they hit 30!! Cos once they get older there is no business for them!


They don't retire. They'd find a sucker by then to marry to and continue to scam. Leopards don't change their spots.

Yeah but lots of those under 30 year old scammers are men, even youngsters.. so they will need to relocate to Germany probably where marring a man is normal.. :laugh:

And actually a fair few are already from Germany pretending to be young Russian girls, they use bad Russian and Google translate.. there is also plenty off them living in Russia and Ukraine now pretending to be a sweet little Ukrainian girl..

The fact is 90% of women under 30 from Ukraine who sign up to any FSU women dating sites are fakes , the other 10%? Well 7% sign up out of curiosity and would of left with a week or so..it leaves 3%..

For every 100 young Ukrainian women under 30 you see on any site there is just 3 to try to hook up with.. the other 97 do not exist basically..


Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: 2tallbill on October 12, 2019, 10:58:14 AM
The fact is 90% of women under 30 from Ukraine who sign up to any FSU women dating sites are fakes , the other 10%? Well 7% sign up out of curiosity and would of left with a week or so..it leaves 3%..

Steveboy,

I appreciate these are your competitors, however bad mouthing
every single one of them isn't a good look.

Secondly there is no way for you to know what percentage
of women under 30 on different websites in different
countries are sincere or have penises.

Only 3% of FSU women on dating sites under 30 are sincere
and real? BS

Now having said that I would tell newbies searching in Ukraine
to stay away from Odessa, Kiev and Nikolayev. If they do that
they have a far better chance not getting caught up in the
industry wallet wringer.

If a 37 year old divorced dewd wanted to pursue a 28 year old
girl from Dnepropetrovsk or Lvov, shes as likely to be sincere
as anyone else. If a 57 year old dewd wanted to do that then
he would probably be headed for a ditch where he will wake
up to find that his kidneys have been harvested.

I will also admit that the sweet spot currently is pursuing a
woman over the age of approximately 37 or so. They have
far less local men who will seriously consider them for
marriage.

Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: BillyB on October 12, 2019, 01:30:36 PM

Yeah but lots of those under 30 year old scammers are men, even youngsters..


True, women also have to be careful on who they bring into their lives.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Steveboy on October 13, 2019, 05:09:33 PM
The fact is 90% of women under 30 from Ukraine who sign up to any FSU women dating sites are fakes , the other 10%? Well 7% sign up out of curiosity and would of left with a week or so..it leaves 3%..

Steveboy,

I appreciate these are your competitors, however bad mouthing
every single one of them isn't a good look.

Secondly there is no way for you to know what percentage
of women under 30 on different websites in different
countries are sincere or have penises.

Only 3% of FSU women on dating sites under 30 are sincere
and real? BS

Now having said that I would tell newbies searching in Ukraine
to stay away from Odessa, Kiev and Nikolayev. If they do that
they have a far better chance not getting caught up in the
industry wallet wringer.

If a 37 year old divorced dewd wanted to pursue a 28 year old
girl from Dnepropetrovsk or Lvov, shes as likely to be sincere
as anyone else. If a 57 year old dewd wanted to do that then
he would probably be headed for a ditch where he will wake
up to find that his kidneys have been harvested.

I will also admit that the sweet spot currently is pursuing a
woman over the age of approximately 37 or so. They have
far less local men who will seriously consider them for
marriage.


I appreciate these are your competitors, however bad mouthing
every single one of them isn't a good look.


My competitors.. Ok if you say so..


Only 3% of FSU women on dating sites under 30 are sincere
and real? BS


Ok well I guess you will know best.. If you hear or see of any happy marriages where they guy marries some beauty under 30.. maybe you could post here.. Then at least the younger guys will realise they are in with a good chance of finding their young dream girl. must be happening all the time  :laugh:
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: 2tallbill on October 13, 2019, 06:50:13 PM

Only 3% of FSU women on dating sites under 30 are sincere
and real? BS


Ok well I guess you will know best.. If you hear or see of any happy marriages where they guy marries some beauty under 30.. maybe you could post here.. Then at least the younger guys will realise they are in with a good chance of finding their young dream girl. must be happening all the time  :laugh:

I didn't say it happened all the time. I said that 3% was BS

Most of your comments I agree with.

Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: BillyB on October 13, 2019, 07:53:07 PM
If you hear or see of any happy marriages where they guy marries some beauty under 30.. maybe you could post here..


I married a 10 in looks when she was 19 and we're still happy almost 8 years later.

A lot of men in this endeavor have a hard time catching any woman, not just the young ones. Character flaws do them in. They get ran over and used by insincere women because the good ones don't want anything to do with them.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Steveboy on October 14, 2019, 04:50:12 AM

Only 3% of FSU women on dating sites under 30 are sincere
and real? BS


Ok well I guess you will know best.. If you hear or see of any happy marriages where they guy marries some beauty under 30.. maybe you could post here.. Then at least the younger guys will realise they are in with a good chance of finding their young dream girl. must be happening all the time  :laugh:

I didn't say it happened all the time. I said that 3% was BS

Most of your comments I agree with.


I said that 3% was BS

I will say one more time!

Only 3% of young girls under 30 signing up to a FSUW dating site are Real or looking for serious relationship..show me the success stories where the guy has married a girl under 30?? Where are they?? Prove me wrong  :)

This all happened within last 7/8 years.. Maybe Billy married a girl 19 years old! How many years ago?? And as Billy said most men have no chance in any case so it makes it near impossible for most guys..and adding to this I would say within 2/3/4 years that 3% will be down to 1%. Of course there is always the occasional one guy who can do it, but in general no.. it is not happening any more..

So just one more time!!

Only 3% of young girls under 30 signing up to a FSUW dating site are Real or looking for serious relationship


Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: andrewfi on October 14, 2019, 06:47:14 AM
Bill, with respect, I am pretty sure that Steve, who has a well-established business running dating sites with a reputation for keeping their database clean is in a better position than any of us to know the numbers. If he says 3% then I can't see a good reason to argue with him - he and his team spend their working day clearing out a huge mumber of profiles that you never see.

On his sites, the proportion of genuine profiles might be higher than this, but most sites do not go to the trouble that he does.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Steveboy on October 14, 2019, 09:09:50 AM
Well I did find a site that it seems lots of young girls are marrying guys even much older guys so I maybe wrong.. :laugh:

https://dream-singles.com/testimonials.php?__tcAction=show&id=1628&from_page=8
https://dream-singles.com/testimonials.php?__tcAction=show&id=1682&from_page=5
https://dream-singles.com/testimonials.php?__tcAction=show&id=1789&from_page=2
https://dream-singles.com/testimonials.php?__tcAction=show&id=1844&from_page=1
https://dream-singles.com/testimonials.php?__tcAction=show&id=1695&from_page=5

So just sign up.. flash your wallet about.. ooo and don't forget your passport! Hey presto you have yourself a 25 year Old Ukrainian bride..

And remember all those stories going around how young Russian and Ukrainian women usually get married by 25 years old so they are not stuck on the shelf.. cos if they do not it will be to late for them..yeah right ok!!
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: 2tallbill on October 14, 2019, 09:18:38 AM
I will say one more time!

You can say it as often or as seldom as you want. Saying it with
conviction doesn't make you right.

I have met couples under 30 that are married from Angel Eyes
English classes.

Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: andrewfi on October 14, 2019, 09:29:31 AM
Bill, it doesn't matter that you have 'met couples'. We all know there are couples. What you have no authority to speak objectively about, and which Steve does, is the numbers.

Also, you probably do not know the history of the couples you have come across. Most people who marry a foreign counterpart do not do so through marriage agencies.

Your universe of data is unclear and your sample size, of just two, is too small to be generalizable.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: andrewfi on October 14, 2019, 09:50:35 AM
Steve, those 'successes' do not seem to be marriages or even engagements. Just a bloke met a bird.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: BillyB on October 14, 2019, 11:14:10 AM
Bill, with respect, I am pretty sure that Steve, who has a well-established business running dating sites with a reputation for keeping their database clean is in a better position than any of us to know the numbers. If he says 3% then I can't see a good reason to argue with him - he and his team spend their working day clearing out a huge mumber of profiles that you never see.

On his sites, the proportion of genuine profiles might be higher than this, but most sites do not go to the trouble that he does.

Steve has experience but so do some of us veterans. I’ve communicated with tens of thousands of girls and I know many young ones who’d be seriously interested in me. The quality of Steve’s customers may be lacking thus the odds of them marrying a young lady is near zero. To get a 10, a guy doesn’t have to be a 10 in the wallet. But he should be a 10 in character, personality or another character trait. My marriage isn’t a fluke. I can do it over and over again and end up with a girl that blows peoples minds.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Steveboy on October 15, 2019, 09:20:06 AM
Bill, with respect, I am pretty sure that Steve, who has a well-established business running dating sites with a reputation for keeping their database clean is in a better position than any of us to know the numbers. If he says 3% then I can't see a good reason to argue with him - he and his team spend their working day clearing out a huge mumber of profiles that you never see.

On his sites, the proportion of genuine profiles might be higher than this, but most sites do not go to the trouble that he does.

Steve has experience but so do some of us veterans. I’ve communicated with tens of thousands of girls and I know many young ones who’d be seriously interested in me. The quality of Steve’s customers may be lacking thus the odds of them marrying a young lady is near zero. To get a 10, a guy doesn’t have to be a 10 in the wallet. But he should be a 10 in character, personality or another character trait. My marriage isn’t a fluke. I can do it over and over again and end up with a girl that blows peoples minds.

Yes you're right there.. some guys can do it BUT very very few and as there are less and less young women interested in marrying a foreigner now it makes it even more near impossible.

I have a friend late 50's has the gift of the gab he is far from handsome but picks up young women one after another ..but few can do this and those few are seldom on dating sites..

As for quality of members, yes they have gone down hill in the last 10 years also.. I guess 20 years ago before dating sites and cheap travel , unless you had money you had no chance as you would probably had to use some marriage agency or tour plus expensive flights, visa to Ukraine.. not a poor mans hobby for sure..

But as I already said before lots has changed in the last 19 years especially when it comes to Western Europe .. there are no end of how shall I say politely ? Rag heads? arriving from here and there and seeking a cheap Caucasian wife, cos the local women do not want them! So that is one big change .. anyone here can test this out.. just sign up as a women on any sites.. go to Cupids or any where.. sign up then search Swedish men :) tell me how many are called Mustafa ?


There is also a huge amount of men these days looking for a women with some money for example arriving in his country by her own means (Of course she will be expected to sleep in his bed) And if she wishes to stay then she will need to bring 1 years supply of clothes and 50kg of potatoes to save him costs for 12 months and of course she will already have the food for the next 12 month potato soup..

I have said many times I feel sorry for any women seeking a foreign man today..

There are the men who will join as a women so he does not have to pay.. he will also make a free mans profile and contact women with some cock and bull story, there is the men who will change their name from say John to Johnjones132@gmail.com to save himself subscription costs ,thinking every women will contact him via his e-mail  such people I will always delete and send them a link to fdating .com I don't need cheap skates..go get your free dating else where..If you need to change your  profile name to an email address to save a few $ hell knows how the first date will go with some women, I would presume he will make an excuse up he lost his card and ask the lady to pay..

Yes very hard for a women to find a good quality guy these days, there are good normal guys around.. but lots of other guys who are not so good..

BUT As I keep saying there is nearly zero young women signing up today and I will say one more time 90% are fakes ...

PROVE ME WRONG?. Im waiting












Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Steveboy on October 15, 2019, 09:24:23 AM
Bill, with respect, I am pretty sure that Steve, who has a well-established business running dating sites with a reputation for keeping their database clean is in a better position than any of us to know the numbers. If he says 3% then I can't see a good reason to argue with him - he and his team spend their working day clearing out a huge mumber of profiles that you never see.

On his sites, the proportion of genuine profiles might be higher than this, but most sites do not go to the trouble that he does.

Steve has experience but so do some of us veterans. I’ve communicated with tens of thousands of girls and I know many young ones who’d be seriously interested in me. The quality of Steve’s customers may be lacking thus the odds of them marrying a young lady is near zero. To get a 10, a guy doesn’t have to be a 10 in the wallet. But he should be a 10 in character, personality or another character trait. My marriage isn’t a fluke. I can do it over and over again and end up with a girl that blows peoples minds.

Yes you're right there.. some guys can do it BUT very very few and as there are less and less young women interested in marrying a foreigner now it makes it even more near impossible.

I have a friend late 50's has the gift of the gab he is far from handsome but picks up young women one after another ..but few can do this and those few are seldom on dating sites..

As for quality of members, yes they have gone down hill in the last 10 years also.. I guess 20 years ago before dating sites and cheap travel , unless you had money you had no chance as you would probably had to use some marriage agency or tour plus expensive flights, visa to Ukraine.. not a poor mans hobby for sure..

But as I already said before lots has changed in the last 19 years especially when it comes to Western Europe .. there are no end of how shall I say politely ? Rag heads? arriving from here and there and seeking a cheap Caucasian wife, cos the local women do not want them! So that is one big change .. anyone here can test this out.. just sign up as a women on any sites.. go to Cupids or any where.. sign up then search Swedish men :) tell me how many are called Mustafa ?


There is also a huge amount of men these days looking for a women with some money for example arriving in his country by her own means (Of course she will be expected to sleep in his bed) And if she wishes to stay then she will need to bring 1 years supply of clothes and 50kg of potatoes to save him costs for 12 months and of course she will already have the food for the next 12 month potato soup..

I have said many times I feel sorry for any women seeking a foreign man today..

There are the men who will join as a women so he does not have to pay.. he will also make a free mans profile and contact women with some cock and bull story, there is the men who will change their name from say John to Johnjones132@gmail.com to save himself subscription costs ,thinking every women will contact him via his e-mail  such people I will always delete and send them a link to fdating .com I don't need cheap skates..go get your free dating else where..If you need to change your  profile name to an email address to save a few $ hell knows how the first date will go with some women, I would presume he will make an excuse up he lost his card and ask the lady to pay..

And of course there are plenty of men who will ONLY visit Ukraine cos it saves on the visa cost.. :laugh:  Can you imagine trying to save $100 so your search criteria goes on the cheapest country to arrive and start searching.. I do not understand this mentality.. when I was flat broke 14 years ago I still managed to make a Russian Visa.. I certainly never said to any Russian girl "Sorry babes! I don't do Russia it is to expensive"

Yes very hard for a women to find a good quality guy these days, there are good normal guys around.. but lots of other guys who are not so good..

BUT As I keep saying there is nearly zero young women signing up today and I will say one more time 90% are fakes ...

PROVE ME WRONG?. Im waiting
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: 2tallbill on October 15, 2019, 11:30:25 AM
Bill, it doesn't matter that you have 'met couples'. We all know there are couples. What you have no authority to speak objectively about, and which Steve does, is the numbers.

Also, you probably do not know the history of the couples you have come across. Most people who marry a foreign counterpart do not do so through marriage agencies.

Your universe of data is unclear and your sample size, of just two, is too small to be generalizable.

Steve's asked if I knew of any such marriages, I did so I said
so. I never asked if they met through an agency.

Name ONE agency besides Steveboy's agency that he doesn't
consider a scam agency, worthless or worse.

Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: 2tallbill on October 15, 2019, 11:34:08 AM
PROVE ME WRONG?. Im waiting

You asked if I knew of a couple I do, now you are changing
it to prove a negative.

Name one site besides your own that is a good and reputable site.

Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: andrewfi on October 15, 2019, 12:10:43 PM
Bill, you're wrong, you seem confused. A figure of 3% was mentioned, not 'none'.

And, I am sure that you are not so stupid as to think that just because you know of two couples where the woman might be under 30 who possibly who might have gotten married as the result of a dating site that you have proven that there are more than Steve's suggested figure of genuine profiles of under 30-year-old women from Ukraine on international dating sites was wrong. Be sensible. His entire business is based upon him knowing that sort of stuff.

Are you so insecure that you must try to prove yourself right against a person whose livelihood is based upon getting this stuff right?
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Steveboy on October 15, 2019, 12:52:21 PM
PROVE ME WRONG?. Im waiting

You asked if I knew of a couple I do, now you are changing
it to prove a negative.

Name one site besides your own that is a good and reputable site.

Russi***cupid is another good site that is all I can say..

You can sign up to any site even reputable ones and will see plenty of young women but nearly all are fake you will see them removed after a few days, they are signing up all day every day with multiple profile usually. As soon a they have a foot in and your guard is down they flood your pages and it is the same for scammers from Ghana let one in and within a month you have hundreds of them..

I would suggest this if you want to test how it really is.. sign up to any site check out some girls 25/26/27/28 write they profile numbers down.. do 100 new sign ups..

Then go back 10 days later .see how many are still there.. you can chat to a few but a week or two later they have left!

And as I keep saying show us some success stories recently of the young guy marries the young girl?? Im sure it happens of course.. but where ??

There are a few regular forum members here in their 30's ask them how they are doing trying to catch a young one?

Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: 2tallbill on October 15, 2019, 01:09:32 PM
Bill, you're wrong, you seem confused. A figure of 3% was mentioned, not 'none'.



If you hear or see of any happy marriages where they
guy marries some beauty under 30.. maybe you could
post here..

Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Manny on October 15, 2019, 02:31:03 PM
If you hear or see of any happy marriages where they guy marries some beauty under 30.. maybe you could post here..


I married a 10 in looks when she was 19 and we're still happy almost 8 years later.


You are the exception and not the norm.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: NS1 on October 15, 2019, 02:42:10 PM
I will not argue numbers as I just don't know.
But will ask this, how many even use dating sites?
to people under 35 facebook is done and they don't use.

Young people today change apps and other sites
faster then we can talk about it.
Yes even the poor girl in Ukraine knows about these apps.
I suspect many would never sign up to a dating site.

I say again, I think international dating is growing.
what it looks like is changing.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: BillyB on October 16, 2019, 07:20:31 PM
You are the exception and not the norm.


It's normal for me and other guys who are "the exceptions" to find quality and/or young women. A guy doesn't have to be the best man in the world but he needs to beat his competition. A guy doesn't have to attract every woman in the world to be successful either. If a guy is attractive to just 10% of the women out there, he'd be a very busy man. He could be a successful playboy and/or have his pick of beautiful women to marry.

My wife is more beautiful than most of the wives of millionaires, billionaires, rock stars, and famous actors. Many men may think I'm lucky or the exception but this is the norm for me. I can catch beautiful women. Even my family and friends say my wife is not the most beautiful FSU woman I've dated. I've had FSU women on the forum tell me my wife is the most beautiful of all the wives they seen married to foreign men. I'm not saying this to brag or make others jealous but if there are single men reading this, instead of getting upset with what I'm saying, improve every aspect of your life and you will find great success with women.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Brian275 on December 04, 2019, 03:35:42 PM
I would venture that the numbers of people finding partners internationally as a result of greater travel opportunities, increased job opportunities, easily available information is much higher than a few decades back.
People are on the move and putting down roots in far flung places.

I agree with that. People travelling for work, gap years, etc. Much of that is people happening to meet people while there rather than pre-planned 'international dating'. Case in point: we had a chap and his wife round we know recently that we have not seen for a while. Their two kids are now out of regular education. The daughter is studying to be a vet and has found herself in New York and has met a young American guy she is in a relationship with. The son (who studied Spanish in school) is in Spain and very involved with some Spanish girl he met. While both those are dating foreign born people, they are doing so while living abroad and didn't set out to do some 'international dating' as such.

And even in the FSU many relationships are formed that way. People more or less living there and forming relationships while there. As the whole 'long distance thing' isn't as much of an issue (although you certainly have many women who think he will eventually stop 'living there' sometime in the next few years). There are a whole host of other issues, for sure, though. Although I wrote 'more or less' because, as we all know, many are just there on generous tourist and visitor visas that allow them to stay most of the year. Which, Americans at least, can get for Russia. And, especially in the case of Ukraine, many western men will overstay their visa-free access. I've known at least a few men who have done that. Its not as common in Russia due to stricter enforcement & penalties. It'd be crazy to overstay here in Russia. Belarus, as well. But many have and continue to do it in Ukraine.

Anyway, I kind of got off point there! But I definitely want to reiterate how much easier it is to actually be in the countries long-term. Of course, not everyone can and wants to do that. And saying you are 'living there' for the purpose of meeting ladies isn't going to endear many people. But, many 'live there' for numerous reasons. People like to say its a 'BS excuse' but it really is true - many guys do love the combination of cheaper living and wonderful culture and history. And just the people in a very general sense.

Been lurking recently (I even read all 22 pages or so about the Californian/Lvov lady). But glad to be posting again.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Brian275 on December 04, 2019, 03:44:46 PM
No they retire once they hit 30!! Cos once they get older there is no business for them!


They don't retire. They'd find a sucker by then to marry to and continue to scam. Leopards don't change their spots.

Yeah but lots of those under 30 year old scammers are men, even youngsters.. so they will need to relocate to Germany probably where marring a man is normal.. :laugh:

And actually a fair few are already from Germany pretending to be young Russian girls, they use bad Russian and Google translate.. there is also plenty off them living in Russia and Ukraine now pretending to be a sweet little Ukrainian girl..

The fact is 90% of women under 30 from Ukraine who sign up to any FSU women dating sites are fakes , the other 10%? Well 7% sign up out of curiosity and would of left with a week or so..it leaves 3%..

For every 100 young Ukrainian women under 30 you see on any site there is just 3 to try to hook up with.. the other 97 do not exist basically..

Yeah, unless she's a single mom with 2+ kids or the guy is a wealthy alpha male businessman then its damn near impossible to get a woman under 30 in the FSU off an international dating site. Although most of the latter wouldn't even use one of those sites but would have the confidence to go there and just approach. At the very least use social media instead of the much ridiculed dating sites. But yeah, barring those types of men and those types of ladies then success is much less diminished. But for guys actually "living" in the FSU it is much easier. Have known many guys be successful with the under 30s and especially under 35s. But would they have been if they were still living in USA, UK, Ireland, Germany, South Korea, etc? Probably not!
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: LoyalMan on December 05, 2019, 08:57:34 AM
"China is the world's largest economy"

Luckily, it is declining again after the USA has adjusted her altitude toward this evil country.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: LoyalMan on December 05, 2019, 09:14:40 AM
Yeah but lots of those under 30 year old scammers are men, even youngsters.. so they will need to relocate to Germany probably where marring a man is normal.. :laugh:

And actually a fair few are already from Germany pretending to be young Russian girls, they use bad Russian and Google translate.. there is also plenty off them living in Russia and Ukraine now pretending to be a sweet little Ukrainian girl..

The fact is 90% of women under 30 from Ukraine who sign up to any FSU women dating sites are fakes , the other 10%? Well 7% sign up out of curiosity and would of left with a week or so..it leaves 3%..

For every 100 young Ukrainian women under 30 you see on any site there is just 3 to try to hook up with.. the other 97 do not exist basically..


Very close to my observation throughout the past 10 years or more.

Most of my pen-friends are actually married or engaged.  They earned money on dating sites.  One is a cheating wife who was planning to divorce.

Even on free or monthly subscribed site, % of cheating wives are quite high.

I turn to use cheap video-per-minute service. The cost of "classifying a pen-friend" is quite low.  Also, their identity is confirmed by the agency.  This method is only good for super smart man.  If you makes decision by emotion, please avoid this method.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: msmoby on December 07, 2019, 05:24:07 AM

I turn to use cheap video-per-minute service. The cost of "classifying a pen-friend" is quite low.  Also, their identity is confirmed by the agency.  This method is only good for super smart man.  If you makes decision by emotion, please avoid this method.

Ri-ight .. like their ID is 'confirmed by the 'reputable' agency ..

Super smart men don't go near agencies or pay per minute / per letter sites...
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Gregory Watson on April 14, 2020, 04:13:47 AM
I wonder what will happen to international dating now   that we can't travel. Do you  guys still keep in contact with your friends from FSU?
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: andrewfi on April 14, 2020, 05:36:04 AM
I wonder what will happen to international dating now   that we can't travel. Do you  guys still keep in contact with your friends from FSU?

You'll be able to travel soon enough.

Communication is not hard to maintain.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 14, 2020, 05:43:13 AM
You'll be able to travel soon enough.

Soon...

a) Macron said in his speach yesterday that the borders of Schengen area might be closed until September;

b) Sheremetyevo airport operates according to the information from "above" - international flights resuming in "capitals only" format somewhere in August, with the flights to the "non-capitals" destinations being resumed by October.

 :(  :(  :(
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: andrewfi on April 14, 2020, 06:17:38 AM
Soon is a relative term. :)

I was expecting that it would be hard, or impossible to travel internationally until next year. I now see that several airlines are planning to open up from the start of June and Ryanair, my usual carrier, expecting normal flights by 17th June.

Of course, there's loads of conflicting information floating around, very little data and no good way to foretell the future.

If anyone asks, it is in order to be able to fly as soon as possible that I am keen to take an antibody test and even register for an online Covid-19 'carnet'.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Markje on April 14, 2020, 06:31:22 AM

b) Sheremetyevo airport operates according to the information from "above" - international flights resuming in "capitals only" format somewhere in August, with the flights to the "non-capitals" destinations being resumed by October.

 :(  :(  :(
Hi Olga,

Do you have a good source on that? Is that official yet? I am asking because I have tickets to fly to Crimea in July.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: NS1 on April 14, 2020, 01:58:08 PM
I would expect each country based on severity of the virus
will change or control who comes from where and when.

Here where I am at anyone traveling into country must self isolate for 14 days,
so you can come if sitting in house, hotel or wherever for 14 days works for you.

Also airlines have very limited routes, they  will not grow or go up until each country
opens a bit more. Moving target would be understatement at this point.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Steveboy on April 15, 2020, 02:34:02 AM
Nothing has really changed when it comes to International dating as only about 4% actually get on the plane to travel.. the other 96% are armchair daters who just talk about traveling to meet a women.. often talking for 10 years or more..the virus makes no difference to them in any way!
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: msmoby on April 15, 2020, 02:45:19 AM


Do you have a good source on that? Is that official yet? I am asking because I have tickets to fly to Crimea in July.

Surely, you just have to wait ?  No one can make predictions THAT far ahead .

IF either RF or NL prevents you flying or the airline cancels- only then you can claim

In the mean time, we STILL await a refund from kupibilet.ru  ( via SKYSCANNER ) for a cancelled flight with Etihad ..   IF you come across them .. AVOID ..    They add on insurance you never ordered .. separate transaction..and when you make a claim on that insurance - as they refuse to cancel ... they do not respond to requests on  'How to make a claim' - never had the policy docs..

Best bit of advice I've read on this lock down situation is to only plan day to day ;)


Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: AvHdB on April 15, 2020, 06:54:50 AM

In the mean time, we STILL await a refund from kupibilet.ru  ( via SKYSCANNER ) for a cancelled flight with Etihad ..   IF you come across them .. AVOID ..    They add on insurance you never ordered .. separate transaction..and when you make a claim on that insurance - as they refuse to cancel ... they do not respond to requests on  'How to make a claim' - never had the policy docs..


I suspect this is what occurs when one flies with a dodgy airline using a dubious booking service.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: msmoby on April 15, 2020, 08:24:24 AM

I suspect this is what occurs when one flies with a dodgy airline using a dubious booking service.[/font][/size]

Hmm,

1/ What is dodgy ( or 'doggy'! ) about Etihad ....?

2/ What is dodgy about Skyscanner ?

3/ One would ASSume kupibilet.ru had to go through some sort of checks to be on Skyscanner, right ?

Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: AvHdB on April 16, 2020, 12:44:11 PM

I suspect this is what occurs when one flies with a dodgy airline using a dubious booking service.[/font][/size]

Hmm,

1/ What is dodgy ( or 'doggy'! ) about Etihad ....?

2/ What is dodgy about Skyscanner ?

3/ One would ASSume kupibilet.ru had to go through some sort of checks to be on Skyscanner, right ?

Eithad, has a very good safety record. My comment was regards to there involvement with Aitalia Air Airlines.

Kupibilet is if I am not mistaken an air flight ticket middle party that offers a discount, but as you are learning washes there hands of responsibility when things go pear shaped. I rarely book a ticket with/via a third party. Better directly with the airline in question is my feeling.

Curious I wonder did you save via Kupibilet? While I recognize Wiz is not a fan of yours and he is not very active it seems in the travel industry it would be interesting to hear his opinion as to what is the best way to proceed.

I suspect that as the virus issue receeds there will be a reset in ticketing procedures.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: andrewfi on April 16, 2020, 05:45:21 PM
I was reading today about services that are middlemen in various fields. In normal times it all works quite well, but at the moment, clients go to the broker for a refund and can't get one - the reason is that the money has already been paid to the service provider so the refund must come from them.

making matters worse many of the providers are no longer working - having suspended their businesses and the brokers are short handed or dealing with LOTS of people wanting that which they cannot have.

If the ticket was paid for an a credit card I'd follow the guidance I picked up on the topic: go for a chargeback.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: msmoby on April 16, 2020, 10:30:01 PM
Eithad, has a very good safety record. My comment was regards to there involvement with Aitalia Air Airlines.

There was NO involvement of Alitalia ...Perhaps you are confusing my last trip to Georgia.. which was via a Turkish Airline who code-shared with Alitalia on the last leg ?  SC, finally got back via an Aeroflot flight that was serviced by Rossiya ( a subsidiary ) ..An elderly 777 rather than the  787 Dreamliners Aeroflot use... but it got her home.

Kupibilet is if I am not mistaken an air flight ticket middle party that offers a discount, but as you are learning washes there hands of responsibility when things go pear shaped. I rarely book a ticket with/via a third party. Better directly with the airline in question is my feeling.

I often look at Skyscanner, then ring the airline and they might come down to match the broker.  That was not possible this time.. some sites were impossible to book - kept giving Server 500 messages. Overloaded Kupibilet's site was responding.

Curious I wonder did you save via Kupibilet? While I recognize Wiz is not a fan of yours and he is not very active it seems in the travel industry it would be interesting to hear his opinion as to what is the best way to proceed.

Thank, but Wiz' 'help' is not required.. ;)

I was reading today about services that are middlemen in various fields. In normal times it all works quite well, but at the moment, clients go to the broker for a refund and can't get one - the reason is that the money has already been paid to the service provider so the refund must come from them.

making matters worse many of the providers are no longer working - having suspended their businesses and the brokers are short handed or dealing with LOTS of people wanting that which they cannot have.

If the ticket was paid for an a credit card I'd follow the guidance I picked up on the topic: go for a chargeback.

It was paid on a RU Sber Bank credit card .. Kupibilet have a few days left, before the Bank can be involved ..It will be interesting to see what happens.


Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Danchik on April 17, 2020, 05:49:47 AM
I have no doubt about Steve's numbers, but if you're trying to meet a RW/FSUW on any dating site, you might as well be using MySpace as a social network.

I've met more RW through Facebook/Instagram alone than any dating site I had ever used even in the "old" days, even though I must say I rarely used them in the past.

And I'm not even trying to contact these girls. I simply belong to a few groups there and these girls contacted me after I made a few posts. 2 girls whom I never knew existed contacted me this week alone (one from Kiev), both in their early 30's.

RW generally don't use dating sites, but there is a boatload that are looking for love and who would consider a foreigner.

In my experience living here over the years, there are just as many real RW "looking", if not more, than during the MOB heyday. And no, they have little problem with America contrary to some here.

Think outside the box people.

Plenty of RW under 30 also use FB/Instagram for a variety of reasons and the vast majority speak English, or are trying to learn which is one of the main reasons they're there. I suspect there is another reason why as well.  :)


Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Guile on April 17, 2020, 05:57:04 AM
Instagram is the new king of social media hookups.  Ever wonder how some Russian girls are always posting pics in Dubai, Monaco, the Maldives etc?  Someone had to pay for their trip! :ROFL:
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Steveboy on April 17, 2020, 07:39:36 AM
I have no doubt about Steve's numbers, but if you're trying to meet a RW/FSUW on any dating site, you might as well be using MySpace as a social network.

I've met more RW through Facebook/Instagram alone than any dating site I had ever used even in the "old" days, even though I must say I rarely used them in the past.

And I'm not even trying to contact these girls. I simply belong to a few groups there and these girls contacted me after I made a few posts. 2 girls whom I never knew existed contacted me this week alone (one from Kiev), both in their early 30's.

RW generally don't use dating sites, but there is a boatload that are looking for love and who would consider a foreigner.

In my experience living here over the years, there are just as many real RW "looking", if not more, than during the MOB heyday. And no, they have little problem with America contrary to some here.

Think outside the box people.

Plenty of RW under 30 also use FB/Instagram for a variety of reasons and the vast majority speak English, or are trying to learn which is one of the main reasons they're there. I suspect there is another reason why as well.  :)

If your living in Russia it is as easy as 1-2-3 to meet a Russian women of any age Generally..

You can meet them on Facebook, Tinder, Ok in fact any where.. On tinder you can meet a beautiful young women each and every night.. and have sex as much as you want be you a Russian guy or foreigner.. or expat..

BUT if your a foreigner living in another country looking for a young Russian girl for marriage I can categorically tell you you have little hope..you certainly will have your work cut out!

No one has proved me wrong yet? Where are the weddings? They simply are not interested anymore FINITO!! Young women? Im speaking about women under 30.. it came to an end a few years back!

You may turn up from say the USA flash your passport around to a few young girls, of course they will be interested.. but mostly out of curiosity to look at your passport maybe and say hello.. To marry you and move to your country?? That is a totally different story..

I can go on Facebook , VK or Tinder tonight and have a date with a young beauty as easy as 1-2-3 I can then come back here and say "Hey you know what? These young Russian beauties  are easy to pick up" I could even have sex with 10 young beauties this week..I could then say "You know what Steve talks a load of bollocks"

But I know exactly how the dating scene works like clockwork.. 100%

Right now we got loads of young girls registering 18-25 all bored stuck at home.. nothing else to do..

So then we come to THE women who really would be interested in marrying a foreigner and they nearly all fall in to a certain age group and category 38/40-60 Already been married and with kids..BUT before you think or come to the conclusion that well that is obvious as divorced women with kids in Russia are left on the shelf as Russian guys do not need them.. :laugh: Your already on the wrong track!!

Most of these older women they are already set on the idea of marrying a foreigner and generally they will always go to a place where there is the best chance of finding foreigners looking for love an International dating site or some thing like.. you will not find these women searching on Facebook/VK/Tinder that is IF they even have it..

International dating is not dead if your looking for an older women.. Unfortunately most of the guys who are looking for a so called Russian bride are looking for women young enough to be their grand daughter and for these guys.. yes it id dead as a door nail!!

So if your a foreign guy who has realistic expectations and is serious for marriage an International dating site is still and will be the best option..

 tiphat



 




Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Danchik on April 17, 2020, 08:08:21 AM
So if your a foreign guy who has realistic expectations and is serious for marriage an International dating site is still and will be the best option..
 tiphat
I see you working Steve  :). Dating sites are an option, the best one, well, I don't agree.

Whether you meet through a dating site or anywhere, it all starts with a hi. I met my first RW in an AOL chat room years ago, just by saying hi and taking it from there.

She lived in Boston and I in LA. That's a 6 hr flight just for the record, or less time than flying to Russia from anywhere in Europe.

My point is, don't limit yourself. Many relationships/marriages started in the most innocent of ways, e.g., meeting at a coffee shop, standing in line, connecting in a group on a social network where you already share commons interests, etc..

IMO, the best way is to come and spend time in Russia, that's by far the best way if we're talking about the best way.

No, you don't have to live here just spend some time here. I know quite a few relationships that started by either the RW being in their country or vice versa for little more than a couple of weeks.

If I lived in America I could find a RW in Russia easily without the help of a dating site. And it would be much easier if I lived in Europe obviously.




Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Steveboy on April 17, 2020, 08:17:49 AM
So if your a foreign guy who has realistic expectations and is serious for marriage an International dating site is still and will be the best option..
 tiphat
I see you working Steve  :). Dating sites are an option, the best one, well, I don't agree.

Whether you meet through a dating site or anywhere, it all starts with a hi. I met my first RW in an AOL chat room years ago, just by saying hi and taking it from there.

She lived in Boston and I in LA. That's a 6 hr flight just for the record, or less time than flying to Russia from anywhere in Europe.

My point is, don't limit yourself. Many relationships/marriages started in the most innocent of ways, e.g., meeting at a coffee shop, standing in line, connecting in a group on a social network where you already share commons interests, etc..

IMO, the best way is to come and spend time in Russia, that's by far the best way if we're talking about the best way.

No, you don't have to live here just spend some time here. I know quite a few relationships that started by either the RW being in their country or vice versa for little more than a couple of weeks.

If I lived in America I could find a RW in Russia easily without the help of a dating site. And it would be much easier if I lived in Europe obviously.

If I lived in America I could find a RW in Russia easily   I do not agree with that.. it is not easy!! Living in Europe will not help you either.. you can look on Facebook/VK/Tinder/International dating sites/marriage agencies

It is not easy! Expect 2/3/4 years to find her..with lots of heart ache and travel along the way..as well as that your going to have to work like a dog..then you MIGHT succeed..

We all have opinions and that is mine..









o not agree with that.. it is not easy!!
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Wiz on April 17, 2020, 08:20:47 AM
I was reading today about services that are middlemen in various fields. In normal times it all works quite well, but at the moment, clients go to the broker for a refund and can't get one - the reason is that the money has already been paid to the service provider so the refund must come from them.

making matters worse many of the providers are no longer working - having suspended their businesses and the brokers are short handed or dealing with LOTS of people wanting that which they cannot have.

If the ticket was paid for an a credit card I'd follow the guidance I picked up on the topic: go for a chargeback.

Best advice and never lost any money including not only full refunds but also claims for extra expenses because of their action! 

Moby, I agree with you for not asking my opinion ...... because you will have to say Thank you,  something that it's not part of your Character.....! :biggrin:
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Danchik on April 17, 2020, 08:42:08 AM
So if your a foreign guy who has realistic expectations and is serious for marriage an International dating site is still and will be the best option..
 tiphat
I see you working Steve  :). Dating sites are an option, the best one, well, I don't agree.

Whether you meet through a dating site or anywhere, it all starts with a hi. I met my first RW in an AOL chat room years ago, just by saying hi and taking it from there.

She lived in Boston and I in LA. That's a 6 hr flight just for the record, or less time than flying to Russia from anywhere in Europe.

My point is, don't limit yourself. Many relationships/marriages started in the most innocent of ways, e.g., meeting at a coffee shop, standing in line, connecting in a group on a social network where you already share commons interests, etc..

IMO, the best way is to come and spend time in Russia, that's by far the best way if we're talking about the best way.

No, you don't have to live here just spend some time here. I know quite a few relationships that started by either the RW being in their country or vice versa for little more than a couple of weeks.

If I lived in America I could find a RW in Russia easily without the help of a dating site. And it would be much easier if I lived in Europe obviously.

If I lived in America I could find a RW in Russia easily   I do not agree with that.. it is not easy!! Living in Europe will not help you either.. you can look on Facebook/VK/Tinder/International dating sites/marriage agencies

It is not easy! Expect 2/3/4 years to find her..with lots of heart ache and travel along the way..as well as that your going to have to work like a dog..then you MIGHT succeed..

We all have opinions and that is mine..









o not agree with that.. it is not easy!!
Steve, you're looking for business plain and simple and sounding like, well, a guy running a dating site. If someone wants to use your service, hey why not?

It's easy to see your bias and you can of course disagree with me. But please, don't tell me what I can and cannot do. You have no idea.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Steveboy on April 17, 2020, 08:48:31 AM
So if your a foreign guy who has realistic expectations and is serious for marriage an International dating site is still and will be the best option..
 tiphat
I see you working Steve  :). Dating sites are an option, the best one, well, I don't agree.

Whether you meet through a dating site or anywhere, it all starts with a hi. I met my first RW in an AOL chat room years ago, just by saying hi and taking it from there.

She lived in Boston and I in LA. That's a 6 hr flight just for the record, or less time than flying to Russia from anywhere in Europe.

My point is, don't limit yourself. Many relationships/marriages started in the most innocent of ways, e.g., meeting at a coffee shop, standing in line, connecting in a group on a social network where you already share commons interests, etc..

IMO, the best way is to come and spend time in Russia, that's by far the best way if we're talking about the best way.

No, you don't have to live here just spend some time here. I know quite a few relationships that started by either the RW being in their country or vice versa for little more than a couple of weeks.

If I lived in America I could find a RW in Russia easily without the help of a dating site. And it would be much easier if I lived in Europe obviously.

If I lived in America I could find a RW in Russia easily   I do not agree with that.. it is not easy!! Living in Europe will not help you either.. you can look on Facebook/VK/Tinder/International dating sites/marriage agencies

It is not easy! Expect 2/3/4 years to find her..with lots of heart ache and travel along the way..as well as that your going to have to work like a dog..then you MIGHT succeed..

We all have opinions and that is mine..









o not agree with that.. it is not easy!!
Steve, you're looking for business plain and simple and sounding like, well, a guy running a dating site. If someone wants to use your service, hey why not?

It's easy to see your bias and you can of course disagree with me. But please, don't tell me what I can and cannot do. You have no idea.


 :laugh: Do you think Im here looking for business? Business drying up and I'm desperate.. Im here arguing with you in the hope of getting an extra 1.5 sign ups this month...from this forum.. ok you win.. :laugh:
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Danchik on April 17, 2020, 09:11:01 AM
I'm feeling you, bro. Lots of people having a hard time. Good luck.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Steveboy on April 17, 2020, 09:15:07 AM
I'm feeling you, bro. Lots of people having a hard time. Good luck.

Im down to my last 5 roubles.. actually Im not even sure if we will have any grub to eat next week.. no toe nails left as it is.. ;D
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: d672 on April 17, 2020, 12:47:10 PM
 Did you eat the cat yet?  :laugh:
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Steveboy on April 17, 2020, 12:54:55 PM
Did you eat the cat yet?  :laugh:

Will give that a miss now after all this stuff from China .. maybe the cat will have a virus.. will have to just share its food..
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Guile on April 18, 2020, 08:39:07 PM
No one needs a dating "site" anymore. with Facebook, VK, Instagram, Tinder, Twitter you really won't believe how easy it is to connect. 

Steveboy I really am doubting so many 18-25 yr olds are signing up on your site.  VK has so many dating groups.  My Russian friends clued me in ;D You pick the city you are in or want and send out a message.  Instagram is your friend)))  you have a better chance of seeing a real pic and girl than on a dating site.

 
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Steveboy on April 20, 2020, 03:23:14 PM
No one needs a dating "site" anymore. with Facebook, VK, Instagram, Tinder, Twitter you really won't believe how easy it is to connect. 

Steveboy I really am doubting so many 18-25 yr olds are signing up on your site.  VK has so many dating groups.  My Russian friends clued me in ;D You pick the city you are in or want and send out a message.  Instagram is your friend)))  you have a better chance of seeing a real pic and girl than on a dating site.

Yeah!! BUT!! I really do not care what you or anyone else says about it being so easy to sign up and find a women on Facebook.. you probably do not get it..

I don't care if it is free on Facebook , I don't care who is meeting anyone on Tinder, I don't care who is meeting anyone off anywhere..

I don't care if there are floods of Americans flooding Russia to marry all the young birds because now it has become so easy just sign up to VK and you got yourself a young wife!!  :laugh: :laugh:

I really do not care the slightest..

In fact here we go Im going to really help you and the other dating specialist..

YES it is true!! Dating sites are finished.. NO NEED to sign up to Bridsandlovers.com it is a pile of crap and out dated and you will never meet anyone.. I repeat you will never meet any real women.. Myself Im also agreeing with eh other dating specialists here..I had my head in the sand for so long I must of got confused..

Use Facebook, VK or Mamba!! Your guaranteed to find love even a young love  :thumbsup: tiphat
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: andrewfi on April 20, 2020, 05:08:19 PM
Guile, you might not think you need a dating site but it is abundantly clear that although the whole mail order bride in Russia, Ukraine etc is much smaller than in the past there's plenty of people who, for whatever reason, think different.

If that were not true then Steve would not be buying his new home. He'd not have the money to do it.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Steveboy on April 20, 2020, 05:22:48 PM
I just heard the directors of the following dating sites all committed suicide tonight after realising no one needed their dating sites any more:

Match.com
Ok Cupid
Cupid media
Anastasia date
e- Harmony
beautifulpeople.com

And many more..

When it comes to the MOB industry that has also changed over night apparently .. there are millions of young women NOW available to foreigners just sign up to Facebook and VK and within a few weeks you will be married to your dream girl.. everyone is doing it.. well so they say.. :laugh:
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: msmoby on April 20, 2020, 11:51:29 PM
So, we CAN agree whoever told us of the  'death' of the Russian Bride ( industry ) was somewhat incorrect .... ?...
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Manny on April 21, 2020, 11:16:15 PM
So, we CAN agree whoever told us of the  'death' of the Russian Bride ( industry ) was somewhat incorrect .... ?...

You misunderstand again. International ‘dating' sites aren't really about people getting married or dating any more. The phenomenon of men marrying FSU women has withered to a trickle. So the Russian bride industry died, and in its place the agencies morphed into what might be described as recreational sites. To the untrained eye, they may look like sites whose goal is to facilitate international marriages, they may even write that, but that isn't where the money is made.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: msmoby on April 22, 2020, 12:33:26 AM

So, we CAN agree whoever told us of the  'death' of the Russian Bride ( industry ) was somewhat incorrect .... ?...

You misunderstand again. International ‘dating’ sites aren’t really about people getting married or dating any more. The phenomenon of men marrying FSU women has withered to a trickle. So the Russian bride industry died, and in its place the agencies morphed into what might be described as recreational sites. To the untrained eye, they may look like sites whose goal is to facilitate international marriages, they may even write that, but that isn’t where the money is made.

 :ROFL:  The guy who complains 'about wasting space' ...?

FACT: The brides never went away ..they adapted ..

There's not much I agree on re Danchik's view of Russia, but he'd bang on re the continued willingness of Russian ladies to consider dating a foreigner.


Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Steveboy on April 22, 2020, 02:24:46 AM
The vast majority of International daters or those seeking a Foreign bride are not really searching for one!! They either think they are or have no intention of ever getting on. plane .. they just like to be sat in the chair pretending to be someone else to impress the women, some are just bored and want to sit chatting all day and many have been doing it for years, every week same story to different women, nothing will change there for a long long time..many just want to chat to young girls and it can be cheaper than a web cam site.. but for sure over 90% are not serious or will never travel..

Marrying a young Russian women? That has finished as I keep saying 100000 times and I still see no marriage stories guys marring young Russian women, of course it happens some times but not often these days..of course some will say Im wrong.. but who cares..

But apparently it is still very easy to register on Facebook or VK chat some young women up, arrive in Russia , flash your passport about, arrive in Russia for a few weeks or months then take the young beauty home, and apparently everyone is now doing it.. Good luck.. what you will find is the people who say it is very easy to marry a young Russian women very easy by meeting her on Facebook are in fact NOT married themselves and certainly do not have the young hot wife .. :laugh:

The end of the day everyone has their own reason for dating and you have to do your own thing in the best way you think is possible..
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Olga_Mouse on April 22, 2020, 02:36:55 AM
Quote from: Brian275 link=topic=28451.msg502421#msg502421
Although I wrote 'more or less' because, as we all know, many are just there on generous tourist and visitor visas that allow them to stay most of the year.
90 days out of 180 isn't "most of the year", actually...  :reading:
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Steveboy on April 22, 2020, 03:03:02 AM
No one needs a dating "site" anymore. with Facebook, VK, Instagram, Tinder, Twitter you really won't believe how easy it is to connect. 

Steveboy I really am doubting so many 18-25 yr olds are signing up on your site.  VK has so many dating groups.  My Russian friends clued me in ;D You pick the city you are in or want and send out a message.  Instagram is your friend)))  you have a better chance of seeing a real pic and girl than on a dating site.

My Russian friends clued me in ;D You pick the city you are in or want and send out a message..  tiphat :thumbsup:  Good man so we are all waiting here to see some pics of yourself married to a young Russian beauty..your success  story may be an inspiration to many many others..

Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Manny on April 22, 2020, 04:19:09 AM
FACT: The brides never went away ..they adapted ..

Yes, they adapted into cam girls who help blokes in Arizona crack one off.

The vast majority of International daters or those seeking a Foreign bride are not really searching for one!! They either think they are or have no intention of ever getting on. plane .. they just like to be sat in the chair pretending to be someone else to impress the women, some are just bored and want to sit chatting all day and many have been doing it for years, every week same story to different women, nothing will change there for a long long time..many just want to chat to young girls and it can be cheaper than a web cam site.. but for sure over 90% are not serious or will never travel..

Marrying a young Russian women? That has finished as I keep saying 100000 times and I still see no marriage stories guys marring young Russian women, of course it happens some times but not often these days..

Exactly.

Mystic Moby of course knows better.

Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: msmoby on April 22, 2020, 05:16:25 AM



The vast majority of International daters or those seeking a Foreign bride are not really searching for one!! They either think they are or have no intention of ever getting on. plane .. they just like to be sat in the chair pretending to be someone else to impress the women, some are just bored and want to sit chatting all day and many have been doing it for years, every week same story to different women, nothing will change there for a long long time..many just want to chat to young girls and it can be cheaper than a web cam site.. but for sure over 90% are not serious or will never travel..

Marrying a young Russian women? That has finished as I keep saying 100000 times and I still see no marriage stories guys marring young Russian women, of course it happens some times but not often these days..

Exactly.

Mystic Moby of course knows better.

Moby knows and agrees with Steveboy ... AND Danchik (!)

Unlike you - we all go to the FSU, still and I don''t be the ( pre) Baltic States ..

There were the same 'players' and 'no-hopers' in the old days and there's still plenty of FSU ladies who'd pack up and leave for the right guy ..
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: rosco on April 22, 2020, 01:23:55 PM
FACT: The brides never went away ..they adapted ..

Yes, they adapted into cam girls who help blokes in.....crack one off.


What a coincidence  :ROFL:
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Manny on April 22, 2020, 01:27:29 PM
FACT: The brides never went away ..they adapted ..

Yes, they adapted into cam girls who help blokes in.....crack one off.


What a coincidence  :ROFL:

It went right over Mystic's head that one.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: msmoby on April 22, 2020, 03:11:25 PM

It went right over Mystic's head that one.  :chuckle:

No, it was ignored ... as we discussed this on 'my' thread ... and you 'claim' *I* 'make all thread about me' ... 

But as you brought it up, I wasn't in the mood this am ..trying to gen up on FCC compliance on low voltage gadgets with some RF ( 'radio' )  and content of the PCB / Enclosure is crap for one's sexual desires  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: NS1 on April 22, 2020, 05:25:32 PM

It went right over Mystic's head that one.  :chuckle:

No, it was ignored ... as we discussed this on 'my' thread ... and you 'claim' *I* 'make all thread about me' ... 

But as you brought it up, I wasn't in the mood this am ..trying to gen up on FCC compliance on low voltage gadgets with some RF ( 'radio' )  and content of the PCB / Enclosure is crap for one's sexual desires  :coffeeread:

you do make every thread about you,
you out post us as a group 2-1
sometimes you can't wait for response and post 3/4 times before anyone else even  responds.
don't believe me go look. lol.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: msmoby on April 23, 2020, 12:17:11 AM


you do make every thread about you,
you out post us as a group 2-1

You might like to check, again..

In the vast majority of cases I simply correct those posters who try to tell us stuff that is incorrect .. this is a perfect example..

If you wanted to see less of me, don't make stuff up ...




Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Guile on April 23, 2020, 03:42:32 AM


My Russian friends clued me in ;D You pick the city you are in or want and send out a message..  tiphat :thumbsup:  Good man so we are all waiting here to see some pics of yourself married to a young Russian beauty..your success  story may be an inspiration to many many others..

I ain't Moby lol...I'm not gonna post any pics of of my Russian lady friends.  Who wants to get married when you can date as much as you want  :chuckle:

Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Guile on April 23, 2020, 03:48:13 AM

Marrying a young Russian women? That has finished as I keep saying 100000 times and I still see no marriage stories guys marring young Russian women, of course it happens some times but not often these days..of course some will say Im wrong.. but who cares..


In Moscow there is a large enough expat group that I have seen plenty of foreign guys married to Russian women in their 20's or 30's.  But that is different from some guy coming over there for a week or two. 
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: NS1 on April 23, 2020, 02:11:31 PM


you do make every thread about you,
you out post us as a group 2-1

You might like to check, again..

In the vast majority of cases I simply correct those posters who try to tell us stuff that is incorrect .. this is a perfect example..

If you wanted to see less of me, don't make stuff up ...

Forgive me, sometimes I forget that you know all and we should bow to
your vast knowledge and understanding of all thats in the Universe.

Now on to serious stuff, the fact 90% of everything you say is an argument with
someone different on almost every occasion tells me not so much.
I will go with the odds, you do not know all and you're wrong, more than right.
Of course telling a narcissist that is likely pointless.
Title: Re: international Dating Dead?
Post by: Guile on April 24, 2020, 03:30:15 PM


In the vast majority of cases I simply correct those posters who try to tell us stuff that is incorrect .. this is a perfect example..

If you wanted to see less of me, don't make stuff up ...

Who made it your job to correct posters huh?  Ironic that you are the one who lies the most yet think you need to tell others, gtfoutta here homes.