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Title: Dedollarization.
Post by: Omega1982 on October 30, 2019, 11:28:13 PM
Manny has been talking about this for years. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/a-growing-club-of-very-powerful-countries-is-steering-away-from-using-the-dollar/ar-AAJBVox
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: msmoby on October 31, 2019, 04:32:14 AM
'Sure' and in the meantime I have sent thousands of USD to China in the last 10 days - via Paypal

Reality v wet dreams
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Omega1982 on November 01, 2019, 03:17:14 AM
Manny was right all along. 
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Markje on November 01, 2019, 04:01:11 AM
Manny was right all along.

Yes its coming, I hope it will be after I have died, but Trump is certainly accellerating the pace with his numbskull actions.


Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: BillyB on November 01, 2019, 10:53:53 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/a-growing-club-of-very-powerful-countries-is-steering-away-from-using-the-dollar/ar-AAJBVox


Eustance Huang graduated college 3 years ago and writes about markets and video games. He needs to get some experience at life before trusting what he writes. I don't know how old you are Omega but I'm old enough to be smarter than kids.

America's economy is incredible strong right now and it continues to get stronger while the rest of the world faces recession. Trump has negotiated and is currently negotiating better trade deals for America. Sure he's an asshole but he's working for us. Hopefully other nations vote in leaders that fight for their nation same as Trump does for ours. People will only have to deal with Trump a few more years but I hope his policies stay around for decades.

America has controlling shares at the World Bank and IMF. Why? Because we put the most money in there for other nations to borrow or get bailed out. If China or Russia wants to take the lead, they can up their game in those two institutions.

Also for a nation's currency to become the world's currency, the nation needs to be trusted. Not many nations trust Russia or China to use their currency or want their troops on their land for security purposes. American troops are in 800 locations around the world. Most of the places we were invited in because those nations trust America. Many nation's trust the EU but the EU can't provide security. Many European nations rely on security from the US.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Valenki on November 01, 2019, 01:48:09 PM
The US is becoming increasingly desperate. They managed to put Irak back on the dollar and they've been trying it on in Venezuela too. The dollar is table-game currency and the dominoes are starting to fall against it. Once it tips off the balance it's all over with and the US will have to barter in Euros or Rubles if it wants to survive at all. 
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Valenki on November 01, 2019, 01:55:11 PM
... Many nation's trust the EU but the EU can't provide security. Many European nations rely on security from the US.
Reliance on U.S. security is based upon the tried and true Mafia principle and no longer has anything to do with an external threat. CIA racketeers check on their "security" (protection) recipients and remind them, "It's a nice country you have here. It would be a shame if something bad should happen to it."
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: BillyB on November 01, 2019, 02:27:03 PM
... Many nation's trust the EU but the EU can't provide security. Many European nations rely on security from the US.
Reliance on U.S. security is based upon the tried and true Mafia principle and no longer has anything to do with an external threat. CIA racketeers check on their "security" (protection) recipients and remind them, "It's a nice country you have here. It would be a shame if something bad should happen to it."

Some countries feel the same way you do. Most do not. Those who are relying on American security are free to rely on Russia for their security instead. America and Russia don't attack each others troops. The reason why nations don't invite Russian troops in their country is because.... well...… ask Ukraine how it worked out for them.

America did not treat Fidel Castro of Cuba nicely. Fidel did not treat Americans nicely either. But if Cuba had a pro American leader, America would treat that leader nicely but Russia won't.

If Russia and China want to be top dogs in this world, they either got take a lot of nations over or gain their trust. Right now China and Russia are only scaring off their neighbors.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Valenki on November 01, 2019, 09:45:55 PM
... Many nation's trust the EU but the EU can't provide security. Many European nations rely on security from the US.
Reliance on U.S. security is based upon the tried and true Mafia principle and no longer has anything to do with an external threat. CIA racketeers check on their "security" (protection) recipients and remind them, "It's a nice country you have here. It would be a shame if something bad should happen to it."






Some countries feel the same way you do. Most do not.
Personally, I think that most do.

Those who are relying on American security are free to rely on Russia for their security instead.
You keep referring to "reliance on security" but you need to motivate your conviction by first naming a threat. Who is it you think we need protection from?

The reason why nations don't invite Russian troops in their country is because.... well...… ask Ukraine how it worked out for them.
You want me to ask the Ukrainian people or the hand-picked politicians who were wedged into power by coercive, U.S. tactics? True, we don't invite Russian troops in our country. Why should we? Who wants to be occupied? What we want is for the U.S. troops to leave - their occupation is unwanted.

America did not treat Fidel Castro of Cuba nicely. Fidel did not treat Americans nicely either.
Give me an example of Castro treating the U.S. un-nicely.

But if Cuba had a pro American leader, America would treat that leader nicely but Russia won't.
Castro was pro-American. I suggest you do some reading on the events leading up to the Cuban revolution and Washington's response. You will find that the leader the U.S. "treated nicely" was Fulgencio Batista (a yes-man for the American mafia) and the reason for the revolution in the first place.

If Russia and China want to be top dogs in this world, they either got take a lot of nations over or gain their trust.
They are top dogs in this world already.

Right now China and Russia are only scaring off their neighbors.
That brings us full circle back to my initial comments on how the U.S. forces itself on other nations by threats. If you feel China and Russia are scaring off its's neighbours then why are both growing in European endearment and the U.S. is waning? Is it because we do not agree with you about being "scared off" or can it be that we are tired of the U.S. "scaring us off" and we are now willing to risk China and Russia "scaring us off" instead?
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: BillyB on November 01, 2019, 10:00:22 PM
If you don't know why most nations prefer America's security over Russia and China's, it's best you ask those nations. Even suggest to them to replace American troops with Russian or Chinese and give them a good reason why.

As far as Castro goes, it's been talked about for decades. I'm surprised that you don't know why sanctions were placed on Castro/Cuba. He stole a lot from Americans. America can be friends with Castro after Americans are compensated for what Castro stole.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/04/allowing-lawsuits-properties-seized-castro-cuba-190417142211925.html
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Valenki on November 01, 2019, 10:18:11 PM
If you don't know why most nations prefer America's security over Russia and China's, it's best you ask those nations. Even suggest to them to replace American troops with Russian or Chinese and give them a good reason why.
You seem to have a firm notion that nations are eager to be occupied by a foreign military and that it comes down to a simple matter of which foreign occupational Army we prefer. A  better idea would first be for you to answer my earlier question, "Who is it you think we need protection from?" and we can then take the discussion from that point.

As far as Castro goes, it's been talked about for decades. I'm surprised that you don't know why sanctions were placed on Castro/Cuba. He stole a lot from Americans. America can be friends with Castro after Americans are compensated for what Castro stole.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/04/allowing-lawsuits-properties-seized-castro-cuba-190417142211925.html
Castro didn't "steal" much (if anything at all) from the U.S. Maybe you are referring to the American Mafia's money-laundering tourist industry? I am sure you don't mean Cuba's natural resources of fruit and tobacco that was commandeered by the U.S. Mafia. Perhaps you are talking about the American Mafia's control on drugs and prostituion?

And what about American "sanctions"? You speak as though you think I know nothing (or little) about why they were implemented. I suggest it is you who is unfamiliar on the reasons for those sanctions. For example ... can you tell me why you think Soviet missiles were placed on Cuba?
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: BillyB on November 01, 2019, 10:45:55 PM
"Who is it you think we need protection from?" and we can then take the discussion from that point.


Each nation has their own reasons for security. One size does not fit all so there are dozens of answers to your question. If those nations can't preserve their way of life, they may ask another country to help out. Guess who gets asked the most?

Castro didn't "steal" much (if anything at all) from the U.S. Maybe you are referring to the American Mafia's money-laundering tourist industry? I am sure you don't mean Cuba's natural resources of fruit and tobacco that was commandeered by the U.S. Mafia. Perhaps you are talking about the American Mafia's control on drugs and prostituion?


If you don't think Castro stole anything from Americans who invested their money in Cuba, bought land, or operated businesses, then I understand why you don't think Castro is a bad guy and we should be friends.

But Castro did steal from American citizens and the American government sticks up for it's citizens. You may not like that behavior from a government. I like it.


can you tell me why you think Soviet missiles were placed on Cuba?


There's was a thing called the Cold War going on at that time. America placed missiles in Turkey and Russia placed missiles in Cuba. Is your version of history the same or is there a Mafia conspiracy involved in this too?
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Valenki on November 01, 2019, 11:29:17 PM
If you don't think Castro stole anything from Americans who invested their money in Cuba, bought land, or operated businesses, then I understand why you don't think Castro is a bad guy and we should be friends.
Those were all Mafia-generated assets. If American citizens buy into such a risk then if the consequences pull the rug out then it's 'hard knocks' for those taking such risks.

I've been spending my summer holidays in  Bulgaria for the last few years and it is no secret that tourism there is a Mafia-operated money-laundering machine. If the Bulgarian government cracks down on organized crime and the hotel I've chosen will not be refunding me my money .... tough shit. And that goes for people buying land or operating businesses there. If you don't know the risks you shouldn't play.

But Castro did steal from American citizens and the American government sticks up for it's citizens.
Sorry Billy, but the only damage control the U.S. initiated was for the benefit of the American Mafia, something that even Fidel Castro hadn't expected. He thought Washington would praise him for ridding his country of organized crime. Turns out (apparently) that Kennedy really did have tight connections with the Mob - just as the rumours had always claimed. 

can you tell me why you think Soviet missiles were placed on Cuba?

There's was a thing called the Cold War going on at that time. America placed missiles in Turkey and Russia placed missiles in Cuba ....
Yes. So you acknowledge the fact that the whole issue was about U.S. missiles in Turkey (and Italy) poised and aimed at Soviet cities and that Krushejev's plan was to force them out by placing his own missiles on Cuba aimed at U.S. cities. He succeeded, by the way. OK, good start! Now, all you have to do is reply to my question: "Why do you think there were sanctions placed on Cuba by the U.S?" You have failed to address that question. You are inspired to know about the tit-for-tat missile jousting so what "foul" was committed by the USSR that sanctions would rectify? I don't see a "foul". Do you?

.... Is your version of history the same or is there a Mafia conspiracy involved in this too?
Why would it?
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: BillyB on November 02, 2019, 06:35:25 AM

Val, you somehow believe every property owned by Americans were by the Mafia when most property and businesses owned in Cuba by Americans were owned by law abiding citizens. My web link said there are around 200,000 claims. Think those are all mafia related? You also believe Castro seizing all property without due process was a good thing and should be praised by America. Is it okay for Sweden to take everything you got on an accusation that you're a criminal? Or should Sweden take criminals to court first to confirm they're a criminal before claiming their property? I already supplied a web link to why America took action against Cuba although you want me to answer your question....again. Of course more action was taken against Cuba for their behavior during the cold war. You like what Cuba did. I and most Americans don't. Castro is responsible for the direction he took his country in. Life is tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid. So they continue to suffer. They should pick better friends.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Valenki on November 02, 2019, 07:33:17 AM
Val,
Nice touch. I like it!  :)
... you somehow believe every property owned by Americans were by the Mafia when most property and businesses owned in Cuba by Americans were owned by law abiding citizens.
"Law-abiding". That's funny. Allow me please to digress for only a very short moment: During the Apartheid government in South Africa forcing blacks to the back of the queue was law and any white person who stepped in front of an African (or worse, much worse) was "law-abiding".

Now, the pro-American puppet government of Cuba was headed by Fulgencio Batista. He was sort of a Shah (of Iran) forerunner in the sense that they were both put into power by "playing ball". Batista was in the pay of the American Mafia and he turned a blind eye to all of the organized crime shenanagans going on under his nose. Hey, he was getting paid handsomely!  So ..... he made the laws to fit the demands of the Mob. So (again) anyone who made any transactions within his law were "law-abiding". It makes no difference then who bought what in Cuba because it was all under the eye of the American Mafia. Are you following this? No? I am assisting the Mafia by spending my money in the holiday resorts of  Bulgaria but I am "law-abiding". Get it now?
You also believe Castro seizing all property without due process was a good thing and should be praised by America.
Absolutely. Did the 13 original States of the U.S. gain independence by "due process"? Why shoot, the land belonged to the Indians anyway. Cuba belonged to the Cuban population, not La Cosa Nostra of East Harlem.
Is it okay for Sweden to take everything you got on an accusation that you're a criminal? Or should Sweden take criminals to court first to confirm they're a criminal before claiming their property?
Is there some relevant reason for asking that question?
.....  more action was taken against Cuba for their behavior during the cold war. 
Rather than get ourselves in a quagmire suppose you tell me what "behaviour during the cold war" you are talking about? Give me an illustration of what you think might be the best example. Your personal view, I mean.
You like what Cuba did.
Yes.
I and most Americans don't.
Perhaps, if you and those "most Americans" read through this dialogue you/they might change their minds.
Castro is responsible for the direction he took his country in.
Yes. He is responsible for the direction he took his country in .... even when the U.S. made it extremely difficult for the Cuban population.
Life is tough.
Indeed it is.
It's even tougher if you're stupid. So they continue to suffer. They should pick better friends.
Are you speaking again about "most Americans" who have been denied the facts of Cuban history? If so, you are being unfair. Americans are dreadfully ignorant about the outside world through no fault of their own. No, they are not "stupid". Deprivation of knowledge is not their fault any more than economic hardship forced upon Cuba by the U.S. makes the Cuban population "stupid".
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: AvHdB on November 02, 2019, 10:20:06 AM
As far as Castro goes, it's been talked about for decades. I'm surprised that you don't know why sanctions were placed on Castro/Cuba. He stole a lot from Americans. America can be friends with Castro after Americans are compensated for what Castro stole.

While unrelated to claims of confiscated property in Cuba.

There is a parallel. Property taken during the Nazi period in both Germany and abroad. Art work has indeed been returned to the heirs. Though to some degree I think this is a never ending treadmill. Some of the claims are dubious others were settled decades ago only to be reclaimed by different descendants. It is for a subset of lawyers a cash cow.

What is interesting now there are claims against former Republics of the Soviet period. While I doubt much will happen in the near future, the foundation from a legal standpoint has been made. My guess this change in attitude will eventually reach courts regarding property else where. 
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: BillyB on November 02, 2019, 06:55:26 PM
Property taken during the Nazi period in both Germany and abroad. Art work has indeed been returned to the heirs.


Thanks to guns, Nazi policy on property acquisition got reversed.

Val, imagine yourself being rich. You living in Sweden don't care about politics between Sweden and your next door neighbor Norway. You are not associated with the Mafia. You then invest in property in Norway. You buy land to build you a house and a hotel. You open a new store called Ikea! Business is good. Life is good. Some guy named Castro Jr overthrows the government in Norway and nationalizes everything which allows him to take everything foreigners invested in Norway but he doesn't compensate for foreigners losses. He labels you all as being associated with the Mafia so he's doing a good thing confiscating stuff YOU stole from somebody else. There is no trial to prove you are with the mafia or that you stole anything but you are deemed guilty and their newly revised history books will record all Swedes living in Norway as Mafia. Now the Swedish government gets upset. What was a friendly neighbor is now an enemy and done Swedes wrong. They place sanctions on Norway and tell their citizens to file claims so they may someday recover money and property should the situation in Norway changes. Would you file a claim against Norway and Castro Jr or will you let your investments go and tell your government to remove the unjust sanctions against Norway that is hurting their citizens?
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Valenki on November 03, 2019, 12:01:48 AM
Property taken during the Nazi period in both Germany and abroad. Art work has indeed been returned to the heirs.

Thanks to guns, Nazi policy on property acquisition got reversed.

Val, imagine yourself being rich. You living in Sweden don't care about politics between Sweden and your next door neighbor Norway. You are not associated with the Mafia. You then invest in property in Norway. You buy land to build you a house and a hotel. You open a new store called Ikea! Business is good. Life is good. Some guy named Castro Jr overthrows the government in Norway and nationalizes everything which allows him to take everything foreigners invested in Norway but he doesn't compensate for foreigners losses. He labels you all as being associated with the Mafia so he's doing a good thing confiscating stuff YOU stole from somebody else. There is no trial to prove you are with the mafia or that you stole anything but you are deemed guilty and their newly revised history books will record all Swedes living in Norway as Mafia. Now the Swedish government gets upset. What was a friendly neighbor is now an enemy and done Swedes wrong. They place sanctions on Norway and tell their citizens to file claims so they may someday recover money and property should the situation in Norway changes. Would you file a claim against Norway and Castro Jr or will you let your investments go and tell your government to remove the unjust sanctions against Norway that is hurting their citizens?
Apples and pears, Billy. Worse, in fact, you are swimming upstream against your own morals.

Sweden doesn't control Norway (as the American Mafia did in Cuba) and any property I might purchase there will be by way of Norwegian law, not Swedish occupational law or by bribery. I am disappointed that you do not see the difference.

It seems as though you consider the commandeering of Jewish homes and businesses in Poland (by the Nazis) legally yours by binding judicial contract that you may have procured by Nazi law. But no, I really do not think you believe that any more than I do.

In your own words, "Thanks to guns, Mafia policy on property acquisition got reversed".
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: BillyB on November 03, 2019, 08:24:19 AM
Sweden doesn't control Norway (as the American Mafia did in Cuba)


Why do you think the American Mafia was the only group that owned property and businesses in Cuba? To validate Castro stealing property from all Americans under the disguise criminals were owning it? Currently American citizens and businesses own property and businesses all over the world.

any property I might purchase there will be by way of Norwegian law, not Swedish occupational law or by bribery. I am disappointed that you do not see the difference.


You did not answer my question. You're dancing around it. Assume you buy property and open businesses in Norway under it's current law. The government there gets taken over and the new laws says you're Mafia without a trial so everything you possess is taken by the government of Norway. Will you be happy about it, accept Norway's new laws or will you make a claim to get your property back? I think you'd make a claim. I think you're no different than the Americans you criticize.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Valenki on November 03, 2019, 09:00:42 AM
Sweden doesn't control Norway (as the American Mafia did in Cuba)

Why do you think the American Mafia was the only group that owned property and businesses in Cuba? To validate Castro stealing property from all Americans under the disguise criminals were owning it? Currently American citizens and businesses own property and businesses all over the world.
You are not paying attention, are you.

any property I might purchase there will be by way of Norwegian law, not Swedish occupational law or by bribery. I am disappointed that you do not see the difference.
You did not answer my question. You're dancing around it. Assume you buy property and open businesses in Norway under it's current law. The government there gets taken over and the new laws says you're Mafia without a trial so everything you possess is taken by the government of Norway. Will you be happy about it, accept Norway's new laws or will you make a claim to get your property back? I think you'd make a claim. I think you're no different than the Americans you criticize.
What are you talking about? Norwegian law is Norwegian law. Democratic law. Cuba was under mafia Mob rule. It wasn't Democratic. Doing business with them was like buying goods that "fell off the back of a truck" and the rightful owner can claim it at any time. The Cubans are the rightful owners and made their claim once Fidel Castro took it to task and did the right thing.

If you want to deal with the devil that's your business but don't cry when the shit hits the fan and it's your loss.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: BillyB on November 03, 2019, 04:30:10 PM

How hard is it to answer my question? I'd file a claim against a nation that steals my property. It's not that difficult to answer.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Texan77 on November 03, 2019, 05:48:11 PM
I guess he would to talk to a few Cuban refugees to really understand the problem with Cuba. What happens here is these guys read some propaganda and think they are informed. If I remember it right most of the refugees I talk to left the country feeling there life was endanger because they had relatives killed. All the refugees I talk to strongly supported the sanctions. I lived in southern Florida until 1976. Your changes of becoming president would be diminished because it would be hard to carry the state of Florida if you did not support sanctions of Cuba. 

Just to make matters worse they would capture any boater who got near there waters and put them in jail for a long time. Then shoot down airplanes who had a navigation problem. You may not remember but this was before GPS and navigation was difficult. Most Yacht clubs knew some who was in jail or had been in jail and sailors talk to each other. Another big voting block against Cuba. Every time president tried to kiss and make up with the Cubans, they would capture someone else or shoot down another plane and end the process. I am sure our friend does not understand there was this block of voters who were against Cuba and Cuba did a lot to keep it that way.

Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Valenki on November 03, 2019, 09:15:30 PM

How hard is it to answer my question? It's not that difficult to answer.
I have answered your question. If you do not like my answer or you feel that my answer didn't satisfy your expectations then perhaps you ought to rephrase it or ask another one.  :nod:

I'd file a claim against a nation that steals my property.
You can still file a claim with the Gambino family. Good luck!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Guile on November 03, 2019, 09:20:37 PM

How hard is it to answer my question? I'd file a claim against a nation that steals my property. It's not that difficult to answer.

Billy don't bother arguing with that dude.  He's denser than a Swedish meatball!
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: BillyB on November 03, 2019, 09:51:35 PM
What happens here is these guys read some propaganda and think they are informed.


Val thinks everything American in Cuba was Mafia or Mafia owned so he rationalizes Castro stealing everything American was a good thing.

Castro was pro-American. I suggest you do some reading...…


Castro stole from Americans for our benefit.  :laugh:

Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Guile on November 03, 2019, 10:37:53 PM
he keeps trying to call Americans "USAians" like's he's some cool cat in da hood.

"Castro was pro-American"...da fuq?

And wants to bring back communism.  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Valenki on November 04, 2019, 06:17:52 AM
What happens here is these guys read some propaganda and think they are informed.


Val thinks everything American in Cuba was Mafia or Mafia owned so he rationalizes Castro stealing everything American was a good thing.

Castro was pro-American. I suggest you do some reading...…


Castro stole from Americans for our benefit.  :laugh:
You're still puttering around in the sand with your plastic spade and bucket and telling wild tales, I see.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Texan77 on November 04, 2019, 07:03:06 AM
The USA was pro Castro until everyone ended up dead. We wanted the mafia gone. 
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: cufflinks on January 06, 2023, 02:00:51 PM
Interesting PhD Reality Check regarding the USD as the World Reserve Currency...

Trigger Warning to the Hate America Firsters who dominate this thread:

"The USA is not powerful because of its Global Reserve Currency...

"It has the Global Reserve Currency because of its Power especially the US Navy which is in fact 7 TIMES larger that the remainder of the world's Navies combined - throw in the only other expeditionary Navies; Japan and UK as Major USA Allies then that multiple rises to 12 Times."

Now Add In the US ARMY, US AIRFORCE, and US SPACE FORCE...  there is a reason why the World Does what it is told to do by the USA and its owners in the UK CoL Crown Colony HQ.

There is no reality or rationale whereby the USA does not remain the most powerful military and economic power for decades to come.   The real irony is the talk About the BRICS basket of value leading to the next global currency for trade.

The UK who invented global reserve currency with the Pound Stirling in the 17th and 18th Centuries literally HATES all the other ethnic tribes on its islands, Hates Canada, Oztralia and USA as its dumping grounds for Religious Zealots and Criminals, Hates the Blacks and Browns in all of the British Commonwealth of Nations Economic Colonies.  And - now that China is stepping in as the Financier of Choice for the members of the British Commonwealth with a more benign form of DEBT SLAVERY that the British Crown CoL interest including massive Chinese Backsheesh Payments to Commonwealth Pols and Elites.  Thus the stroppy attitudes of the former UK Slave Colonies to the UK Royals Price William and his Future Queen Consort Kate who were accorded not respect but gross humiliations.  Now they will get what they wished for - absorption by the Chinese BORG Empire!.

Now consider the BRICS a half dozen countries rising to a dozen or more countries that do limited trade with each other - mostly with China like the rest of the world, and are such diverse cultures they combine more out of a sense of monitoring each other as competitors and really HATE and FEAR each other!

Thus this:

Global Currency: The Dollar Ain't Going Nowhere


MIC DROP HEARD AROUND THE WORLD!



Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2023, 08:28:14 PM
Interesting PhD Reality Check regarding the USD as the World Reserve Currency...

Trigger Warning to the Hate America Firsters who dominate this thread:

"The USA is not powerful because of its Global Reserve Currency...

"It has the Global Reserve Currency because of its Power especially the US Navy which is in fact 7 TIMES larger that the remainder of the world's Navies combined - throw in the only other expeditionary Navies; Japan and UK as Major USA Allies then that multiple rises to 12 Times."

Now Add In the US ARMY, US AIRFORCE, and US SPACE FORCE...  there is a reason why the World Does what it is told to do by the USA and its owners in the UK CoL Crown Colony HQ.

There is no reality or rationale whereby the USA does not remain the most powerful military and economic power for decades to come.   The real irony is the talk About the BRICS basket of value leading to the next global currency for trade.

The UK who invented global reserve currency with the Pound Stirling in the 17th and 18th Centuries literally HATES all the other ethnic tribes on its islands, Hates Canada, Oztralia and USA as its dumping grounds for Religious Zealots and Criminals, Hates the Blacks and Browns in all of the British Commonwealth of Nations Economic Colonies.  And - now that China is stepping in as the Financier of Choice for the members of the British Commonwealth with a more benign form of DEBT SLAVERY that the British Crown CoL interest including massive Chinese Backsheesh Payments to Commonwealth Pols and Elites.  Thus the stroppy attitudes of the former UK Slave Colonies to the UK Royals Price William and his Future Queen Consort Kate who were accorded not respect but gross humiliations.  Now they will get what they wished for - absorption by the Chinese BORG Empire!.

Now consider the BRICS a half dozen countries rising to a dozen or more countries that do limited trade with each other - mostly with China like the rest of the world, and are such diverse cultures they combine more out of a sense of monitoring each other as competitors and really HATE and FEAR each other!

Thus this:

Global Currency: The Dollar Ain't Going Nowhere


MIC DROP HEARD AROUND THE WORLD!


I am going to correct his English and say, The Dollar Isn't Going Anywhere.

Hear that Wiz buddy?  :ROFL:  tiphat
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: cufflinks on January 06, 2023, 09:29:52 PM
 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:  :ROFL: :ROFL: tiphat :thumbsup: :smokin:
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Manny on January 07, 2023, 10:10:19 AM
the US Navy which is in fact 7 TIMES larger that the remainder of the world's Navies combined -

You really should fact-check twaddle. Its nothing like you claim (https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/largest-navies-in-the-world).

Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: cufflinks on January 07, 2023, 03:58:59 PM
View the video and argue with PhD Zeihan.  I know you Blimeys love the arbitrage you earn off of cheap Communist Chinese and Communist North Korean slave labor factories and due to your delusions of British Empire Grandeur of old you Hate the USA... in fact your cradle to grave safety net saviors financial, economic and military.  Point of Dr. Peter Zeihan vlog video is to show you Blimey USA haters paying astronomical rates for food and energy all while Russia, Ukraine, EU and China sink into chaos...  Perhaps second thoughts about savagely biting the Trump USA hand that feeds you Blimey Haters might be in order vs your beloved Commie slave and sex labor camps...
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Contrarian on January 07, 2023, 07:41:53 PM
the US Navy which is in fact 7 TIMES larger that the remainder of the world's Navies combined -

You really should fact-check twaddle. Its nothing like you claim (https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/largest-navies-in-the-world).


How many of the alleged number of ships and submarines in the Russian Navy are actually operational? About half?  :laugh: :laugh: :coffeeread:
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: cufflinks on January 08, 2023, 01:49:03 AM
Direct from Manny's link:

Top 10 Largest Navies in the World (by total number of warships and submarines - 2020):

China - 777
Russia - 603
North Korea - 492
United States - 490
Colombia - 453
Iran - 398
Egypt - 316
Thailand - 292
India - 285
Indonesia - 282

Modern navies and why "largest" does not mean "most powerful"
While the above data are helpful, it's vital to keep in mind that they can also be misleading. Size is one thing, but strength is something else entirely. Navies can be made up of a wide variety of ships, from antiquated 180-foot-long patrol boats to 500-foot submarines armed with nuclear missiles to state-of-the-art 1000-foot aircraft carriers laden with up to 90 fighter planes and/or attack helicopters. Yet, when totaling the number of ships in a country's navy, each of these three very different vessels counts as the same thing: one ship. This is akin to saying a squirrel is the same as a rhino, or a scooter is the same as an 18-wheel semi-truck. But it's what happens when navies are compared based solely on their total number of ships.

Top 10 Most Powerful Navies in the World (by total tonnage - 2014):
United States - 3,415,893
Russia - 845,739
China - 708,886
Japan - 413,800
United Kingdom - 367,850
France - 319,195
India - 317,725
South Korea - 178,710
Italy - 173,549
Taiwan - 151,662

Total USA Nuclear Super Carriers 11+/- depending upon refit status.

Other Nations with Super Carriers ZERO (Some small Jump Carriers that are much smaller and carry fewer planes and firepower).

A large number of US Civilian flag Military Sealift Command Cargo/Troop Ships are not counted as commissioned US Navy Vessels.   In times of war Cruise Ship fleets also contracted for military/troops sealift etc.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Manny on January 08, 2023, 08:24:29 AM
If you're so powerful, why did you flee Afghanistan after 20 years with your tail between your legs, beaten by the Taliban?

The Empire of Lies is a declining power, that's why. Your military would be better served defending your southern borders.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: AvHdB on January 08, 2023, 08:47:24 AM
If you're so powerful, why did you flee Afghanistan after 20 years with your tail between your legs, beaten by the Taliban?

The Empire of Lies is a declining power, that's why. Your military would be better served defending your southern borders.

Worth noting Afghanistan does not have a sea. Russia and the UK also fled from that disaster.

America should defend the southern border and for that matter the norther border from the Poutine eaters.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Contrarian on January 08, 2023, 09:43:45 AM
If you're so powerful, why did you flee Afghanistan after 20 years with your tail between your legs, beaten by the Taliban?

The Empire of Lies is a declining power, that's why. Your military would be better served defending your southern borders.


1. Because Joe Biden is a treasonous weak ineffective President who cannot do anything right. 

2. We agree that our military would be better suited defending our southern border.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Contrarian on January 08, 2023, 09:48:01 AM
If you're so powerful, why did you flee Afghanistan after 20 years with your tail between your legs, beaten by the Taliban?

The Empire of Lies is a declining power, that's why. Your military would be better served defending your southern borders.

Worth noting Afghanistan does not have a sea. Russia and the UK also fled from that disaster.

America should defend the southern border and for that matter the norther border from the Poutine eaters.



Ukraine is doing their best to expel the Poutine from the east.  :laugh:


(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/40/20/0a/40200a009402b22ec8ecfb039a484805--vladimir-poutine-remedies.jpg)
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: AvHdB on January 08, 2023, 10:07:43 AM
If you're so powerful, why did you flee Afghanistan after 20 years with your tail between your legs, beaten by the Taliban?

The Empire of Lies is a declining power, that's why. Your military would be better served defending your southern borders.

Worth noting Afghanistan does not have a sea. Russia and the UK also fled from that disaster.

America should defend the southern border and for that matter the norther border from the Poutine eaters.[/size][/font]

Ukraine is doing their best to expel the Poutine from the east.  :laugh:


(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/40/20/0a/40200a009402b22ec8ecfb039a484805--vladimir-poutine-remedies.jpg)

In this situation I would refer to the invaders as poutain. Seems to be adequate description.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: BC on January 08, 2023, 10:19:16 AM

1. Because Joe Biden is a treasonous weak ineffective President who cannot do anything right.

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf

This agreement between the US and the Taliban, without  Afghan government was signed on 29 February 2020.  Biden was elected in November 2020.  Who was POTUS at this time?

Quote
2. We agree that our military would be better suited defending our southern border.

Our laws prevent the military from defending the border as you desire.  Even Trump could not have done so.

Quote
The 1878 Posse Comitatus Act limits the U.S. military's role in enforcing domestic laws, meaning that interactions between active-duty troops and migrants at the Mexican border are restricted. They can neither detain and deport unauthorized immigrants nor conduct searches and seizures.
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-us-patrols-its-borders

Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Contrarian on January 08, 2023, 11:26:59 AM

1. Because Joe Biden is a treasonous weak ineffective President who cannot do anything right.

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf

This agreement between the US and the Taliban, without  Afghan government was signed on 29 February 2020.  Biden was elected in November 2020.  Who was POTUS at this time?



Pinko Communist traitor tries to justify the incompetent treasonous Biden regime, as usual, what a surprise.  :sick0012:

Anyone paying attention knows that there were strict requirements to a US pullout. Anyone who can speak and write the truth knows that if Trump had been in office, the Biden Afghanistan debacle never would have happened. In fact Trump had postponed a pullout date, specifically because the Taliban wasn't living up to the requirements.

This is a typical pinko commie attempt to whitewash the truth, by our resident traitor, Beyond Confused.

As to the rest of your nonsense, if a commie POS like Biden can issue executive orders to do what his commie masters want him to, a proper President like Trump can do the same in order to do what is best for the country and what the American people want.

I look forward to the day when a proper Republican like Trump changes the law, expels each and every illegal allowed here by the treasonous Biden and also changes the law so that we no longer give citizenship to anchor babies.

Most of us don't care what gibberish is written by pinko commies like BC, but we are ready to correct the record for astute readers.  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Contrarian on January 08, 2023, 11:29:54 AM
If you're so powerful, why did you flee Afghanistan after 20 years with your tail between your legs, beaten by the Taliban?

The Empire of Lies is a declining power, that's why. Your military would be better served defending your southern borders.

Worth noting Afghanistan does not have a sea. Russia and the UK also fled from that disaster.

America should defend the southern border and for that matter the norther border from the Poutine eaters.[/size][/font]

Ukraine is doing their best to expel the Poutine from the east.  :laugh:


(https://i.pinimg.com/236x/40/20/0a/40200a009402b22ec8ecfb039a484805--vladimir-poutine-remedies.jpg)

In this situation I would refer to the invaders as poutain. Seems to be adequate description.


(https://preview.redd.it/wl6lp6odq7k81.jpg?auto=webp&s=8d5cf0e357d38b96c2d6d231262ab98a182c66b0)
Title: Dedollarization/HATE America thread
Post by: 2tallbill on January 08, 2023, 12:38:01 PM
This agreement between the US and the Taliban, without  Afghan government was signed on 29 February 2020.  Biden was elected in November 2020.  Who was POTUS at this time?

Even with a road map Biden still sh!t the bed after having his
bed made for him. Trump told the Taliban that if ONE
American died that X, Y and Z would be killed. Biden
didn't follow through, so the Taliban considered him
as just another weak idiot Democrat that could be
ignored.

Team Biden was so inept and incompetent in their
execution that they should have been impeached
and removed from office. Gross negligence 1


1. § 762 https://presspubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a1_2_5s18.html

Title: Duplicate Thread Alert Dedollarization.
Post by: 2tallbill on January 08, 2023, 12:46:09 PM
Manny has been talking about this for years. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/a-growing-club-of-very-powerful-countries-is-steering-away-from-using-the-dollar/ar-AAJBVox

Exact same
1. Topic
2. Name 
3. Arguments

Title: Re: Dedollarization/HATE America thread
Post by: Contrarian on January 08, 2023, 08:37:02 PM
This agreement between the US and the Taliban, without  Afghan government was signed on 29 February 2020.  Biden was elected in November 2020.  Who was POTUS at this time?

Even with a road map Biden still sh!t the bed after having his
bed made for him. Trump told the Taliban that if ONE
American died that X, Y and Z would be killed. Biden
didn't follow through, so the Taliban considered him
as just another weak idiot Democrat that could be
ignored.

Team Biden was so inept and incompetent in their
execution that they should have been impeached
and removed from office. Gross negligence 1


1. § 762 https://presspubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a1_2_5s18.html


I could not get that link to work, does it work for you?

You know Biden really screwed up when even CNN says so.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/16/politics/afghanistan-joe-biden-donald-trump-kabul-politics/index.html
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: BC on January 09, 2023, 01:55:22 AM

Pinko Communist traitor tries to justify the incompetent treasonous Biden regime, as usual, what a surprise.  :sick0012:

Anyone paying attention knows that there were strict requirements to a US pullout. Anyone who can speak and write the truth knows that if Trump had been in office, the Biden Afghanistan debacle never would have happened. In fact Trump had postponed a pullout date, specifically because the Taliban wasn't living up to the requirements.

This is a typical pinko commie attempt to whitewash the truth, by our resident traitor, Beyond Confused.


Your opinion of me or anything else does not interest me.  If you have any facts to present, feel free to do so and back them up. Your opinion of Trump delaying the drawdown seems flawed, with all indications and reports contrary to your statement.   Yes, when he was inaugurated, Biden wanted to withdraw the remaining 2400 troops left in Afghanistan.  With so few left, and a rapidly degrading situation on the ground, any further delays could put them at even greater risk and require more troops to be sent to Afghanistan. Biden's position was between a rock and a hard place when he took office.

The House voted this summer to constrain a precipitous pullout from Afghanistan as part of its version of the National Defense Authorization Act. The bill includes a provision authored by Reps. Jason Crow (D-Colo.) and Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) that would block Trump from reducing U.S. forces in Afghanistan below two key levels — 8,000 and 4,000 — unless the Pentagon certifies that doing so won’t compromise counterterrorism operations, put U.S. personnel in danger or risk giving terrorists greater havens, among other details.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/16/mcconnell-trump-afghan-troop-reduction-436821

General Frank McKenzie, the head of Central Command, told the House Armed Services Committee on Wednesday that once the US troop presence was pushed below 2,500 as part of Washington’s bid to complete a total withdrawal by the end of August, the unravelling of the US-backed Afghan government accelerated.

“The signing of the Doha agreement had a really pernicious effect on the government of Afghanistan and on its military – psychological more than anything else, but we set a date – certain for when we were going to leave and when they could expect all assistance to end,” McKenzie said.

He was referring to a February 29, 2020, agreement that the Trump administration signed with the Taliban in Doha, Qatar, in which the US promised to fully withdraw its troops by May 2021 and the Taliban committed to several conditions, including stopping attacks on US and coalition forces.


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/9/30/us-generals-say-afghanistan-collapse-rooted-in-trump-taliban-deal

President Donald Trump ordered a rapid withdrawal of all U.S. troops from Afghanistan and Somalia in the wake of his 2020 election loss, but senior officials never followed through on the plan, according to testimony released by the congressional January 6 committee on Thursday.

“The order was for an immediate withdrawal, and it would have been catastrophic,” said Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill., one of two Republican members of the special panel. “And yet President Trump signed the order.”


https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2022/10/13/trump-ordered-rapid-withdrawal-from-afghanistan-after-election-loss/

Title: incompetence vs ineptitude.
Post by: 2tallbill on January 09, 2023, 03:59:27 PM
Your opinion of Trump delaying the drawdown seems flawed, with all indications and reports contrary to your statement.   Yes, when he was inaugurated, Biden wanted to withdraw the remaining 2400 troops left in Afghanistan.  With so few left, and a rapidly degrading situation on the ground, any further delays could put them at even greater risk and require more troops to be sent to Afghanistan. Biden's position was between a rock and a hard place when he took office.

Biden, position was between gross incompetence and absolute ineptitude.

First remove the unarmed civilians, then you remove the military.
Biden did it backwards. Biden has blamed Trump for every single problem he's ever had. Biden caused this, Biden owns this.

Biden left billions of dollars of military goods for the Taliban.
Biden is stupid and has stupid people working for him. He
mismanaged this and needs to own it.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: BC on January 10, 2023, 01:01:10 AM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2021/08/30/what-military-equipment-left-behind-afghanistan-us/5658895001/
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Markje on January 10, 2023, 01:22:35 AM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2021/08/30/what-military-equipment-left-behind-afghanistan-us/5658895001/

Would have been helpful to put the "I agree with Bill" on top of that, so other won't have to bother adding all the equipment listed in this article.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: BC on January 10, 2023, 05:43:26 AM
I only added something substantive and a bit more descriptive about what was left, Markje. I'll leave it up to y'all to draw your conclusions from the information provided in the article, which included other pertinent information like those likely disabled and left in nonfunctioning condition.

Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Markje on January 10, 2023, 08:29:45 AM
I only added something substantive and a bit more descriptive about what was left, Markje. I'll leave it up to y'all to draw your conclusions from the information provided in the article, which included other pertinent information like those likely disabled and left in nonfunctioning condition.

The helicopters and other functional aircraft alone put it at 2.1+ billion dollars. Never mind the rest of it all.

Nitpicking about working/non-working state becomes obsolete (from your own article).

Plus as shown in various videos, the taliban CAN and WILL fly those blackhawks, so thats clearly functional.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: 2tallbill on January 10, 2023, 01:35:36 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2021/08/30/what-military-equipment-left-behind-afghanistan-us/5658895001/

A Biden apologist network said there wasn't anything of value
left behind, that's such a surprise. I recommend using several
sources to get to the bottom of what's going on, especially
when Biden took such a major hit from his mismanagement.


US equipment left in Afghanistan is ‘playground’ for enemies to
learn US weaknesses, cyber expert says

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/09/us-equipment-left-in-afghanistan-is-playground-for-enemies-to-learn-us-weaknesses-cyber-expert-says/


Military Equipment the US Left Behind for the Taliban
“The Taliban now has more Black Hawk helicopters than 85% of the countries in the world,” Congressman Jim Banks, a veteran, lamented. “But it's not just weapons. They have night vision goggles, body armor, and unbelievably, the Taliban now has biometric devices which have the fingerprints, eye scans and biographical information of all of the Afghans who helped us and were on our side over the last 20 years. There is no plan by the administration to get those weapons back. There is no plan to account for any of this equipment or these weapons.”
https://fee.org/articles/here-s-the-list-of-billions-in-military-equipment-the-us-left-behind-for-the-taliban/


US equipment left in Afghanistan is ‘playground’ for enemies to
learn US weaknesses, cyber expert says

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/09/us-equipment-left-in-afghanistan-is-playground-for-enemies-to-learn-us-weaknesses-cyber-expert-says/


Taliban has billions in US weapons, including Black Hawks and up to 600K rifles
https://nypost.com/2021/08/20/us-left-billions-in-weapons-in-afghanistan-with-black-hawks-in-talibans-hands/


The US left $7 billion worth of military equipment in Afghanistan
after its botched withdrawal, report says

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-left-7-billion-military-equipment-in-afghanistan-report-2022-4?op=1


Comprehensive List Of U.S. Equipment Left In Afghanistan For The Taliban(includes video)
https://drrichswier.com/2021/08/24/video-comprehensive-list-of-u-s-equipment-left-in-afghanistan-for-the-taliban/


Afghanistan: What was left behind by US forces?
Initial estimates suggest the Taliban may now also possess several Black Hawk helicopters and other US-funded military aircraft, according to a congressional source familiar with early assessments provided by defense officials.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/21/politics/us-weapons-arsenal-taliban-afghanistan/index.html
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: cufflinks on January 10, 2023, 01:51:39 PM

1. Because Joe Biden is a treasonous weak ineffective President who cannot do anything right.

https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf

This agreement between the US and the Taliban, without  Afghan government was signed on 29 February 2020.  Biden was elected in November 2020.  Who was POTUS at this time?

Quote
2. We agree that our military would be better suited defending our southern border.

Our laws prevent the military from defending the border as you desire.  Even Trump could not have done so.

Quote
The 1878 Posse Comitatus Act limits the U.S. military's role in enforcing domestic laws, meaning that interactions between active-duty troops and migrants at the Mexican border are restricted. They can neither detain and deport unauthorized immigrants nor conduct searches and seizures.
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/how-us-patrols-its-borders

Clearly BC Baphomet the Communist is channeling his inner reincarnation of the Italian Communist leader that the Soviets named their LADA-FIAT Auto City after.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmiro_Togliatti

Residing in his Italian Communist Workers Paradise he spouts communist shite and verbose vomit across the true Patriots that are currently suffering under the Reign of Beijing Biden and the Biden CCP bought and paid for Crime Cartel.  The CCP being you guessed it BC's beloved Chinese COMMUNIST Party.

The CCP is supplying massive amounts of the liquid chemical precursors for fentanyl to the Mexican Narco-Terrorist Cartels that are currently actively invading the USA and Killing over 100,000 young men and women of military age to the benefit of the CCP and Mexican "Reconquistadores" who's main goal is to take over the USA and replace the USA population with cheap low IQ indigenous Mexican labor and high IQ Chinese Communist Managers and executives. 

To all the communist lovers and CCP disciples on this forum just watch how the CCP collaborators in the Biden Regime are about to go into full arse-pucker mode as the Patriots of America, ARMED and AMMOED Up to the full max now are preparing to go FULL MEDIEVAL on the Beijing Biden CCP regime with investigations, subpoenas, and CUTTING OFF ALL Funding to the US GOVT, DoD, DEA, ATF, and all federal LEO agencies (FBI and CIA) as the first shots are fired across the Beijing Biden CCP Ship of State until they do their jobs fighting the CCP Narco Terrorists. 

Old Joe was in the US Senate and he may be demented but he can still count votes and may believe the only way to keep his entire family out of prison is to do his damned job as POTUS on behalf of the US People instead of the Chinese, Central American and Ukrainian people. 

Either that or the entire Biden Crime Cartel goes to prison along with all of their CCP Democommunist Party co-conspirators. 

The CCP Beijing Biden Narco-Terrorists wanted a war with the American Patriots they have one now - first law voted on today in the New Patriots lead Congress is to IMPEACH DHS Secretary Mayorkis (Biden knows he is next) the Lying Legacy Media will cover all of this or be treated as enemies of the state.

Then launch a full-scale DoD DEA attack with 4 Carrier Battle Groups on the Atlantic, Gulf and Pacific sides of Mexico and Central American Drug smuggling Routes and CCP Supplied and funded Fentanyl Factories with fully cooperative Mexican and Latin American govt and military allied attacks just like we did the first time we had to take down the Columbian Cocaine and Crack Cartels. 

CIA can Legally Hire former DoD Special Forces and embed them with Posse Comitatus compliant Federal DEA/ATF and the bloody CCP/FBI traitors have a choice - work with the DoD/CIA/DEA to eliminate the CCP Fentanyl laced Drugs supplied by multiple Mexican and Latin American Militias and CCP NARCO-TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS and kill all of the CCP Narco-Terrorists where they sleep across Mexico and Latin America (Witness the Mexican Govt War with the Sinaloa Cartel and their recent battle to arrest and extradite El Chapo's son to the USA Federal Prison Systems).   Exactly how we took down the ISIS Caliphate.  The latest Sinaloa battles in Mexico resulted in the seizure of massive Military Militia Grade weapons caches.  Proof the USA is now fighting true armed organized militias exactly like ISIS. 

Will be interesting to watch mass formations of M1A1 Super Tanks and Apache attack Helos roll across the southern border with US Air Force and Space Force Support along with the US Navy Carrier Battle Groups as they come down like Thor's Hammer on these CCP-Narco Terrorists camps and urban strongholds until every last one of the Enemy is phooking dead. 

Do you really think Biden went to the wall to reach out "across the aisle" to the new GOP house who now controls his Govt Purse Strings and will shut down the US Gov Spending over the coming Debt Ceiling unless Joe radically changes course now and upholds his oath as CIC. 

Biden's Border Wall Walk was a distraction, the real action was meeting with the Mexican Govt which just negotiated USA Support for its war on the Narco-Terrorists now that they see that the USA gave $110 Billion USD plus overtly and trillion$ covertly to support the Kiev/Burisma branch of Biden's Crime Family and Ukraine Mafiya Operations in Ukraine. 

Mexico expects the same now in return for going to war with the CCP Narco-Terrorists and shutting down the Drugs Crimes fueled by the Beijing Biden/CCP Cartels' fentanyl murders and narco-terrorist war against the USA.

BC a.k.a. Baphomet the Communist can pound his Communist Posse Comitatus BS up his arse next to his head, either or both.

The USA is now at war with the CCP-Narco-Terrorists who got strong while we were distracted by the ISIS Caliphate and the Ukraine Mafiya War with their Russian Mafiya cousins.

Shite is now getting real.

Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: BC on January 10, 2023, 03:10:50 PM

A Biden apologist network said there wasn't anything of value
left behind, that's such a surprise. I recommend using several
sources to get to the bottom of what's going on, especially
when Biden took such a major hit from his mismanagement.

Not how I read it, but if that's your opin, it's fine.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: BC on January 10, 2023, 03:55:52 PM

Clearly BC Baphomet the Communist is channeling his inner reincarnation of the Italian Communist leader that the Soviets named their LADA-FIAT Auto City after.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmiro_Togliatti

Residing in his Italian Communist Workers Paradise he spouts communist shite and verbose vomit across the true Patriots that are currently suffering under the Reign of Beijing Biden and the Biden CCP bought and paid for Crime Cartel.  The CCP being you guessed it BC's beloved Chinese COMMUNIST Party.

The CCP is supplying massive amounts of the liquid chemical precursors for fentanyl to the Mexican Narco-Terrorist Cartels that are currently actively invading the USA and Killing over 100,000 young men and women of military age to the benefit of the CCP and Mexican "Reconquistadores" who's main goal is to take over the USA and replace the USA population with cheap low IQ indigenous Mexican labor and high IQ Chinese Communist Managers and executives. 

To all the communist lovers and CCP disciples on this forum just watch how the CCP collaborators in the Biden Regime are about to go into full arse-pucker mode as the Patriots of America, ARMED and AMMOED Up to the full max now are preparing to go FULL MEDIEVAL on the Beijing Biden CCP regime with investigations, subpoenas, and CUTTING OFF ALL Funding to the US GOVT, DoD, DEA, ATF, and all federal LEO agencies (FBI and CIA) as the first shots are fired across the Beijing Biden CCP Ship of State until they do their jobs fighting the CCP Narco Terrorists. 

Old Joe was in the US Senate and he may be demented but he can still count votes and may believe the only way to keep his entire family out of prison is to do his damned job as POTUS on behalf of the US People instead of the Chinese, Central American and Ukrainian people. 

Either that or the entire Biden Crime Cartel goes to prison along with all of their CCP Democommunist Party co-conspirators. 

The CCP Beijing Biden Narco-Terrorists wanted a war with the American Patriots they have one now - first law voted on today in the New Patriots lead Congress is to IMPEACH DHS Secretary Mayorkis (Biden knows he is next) the Lying Legacy Media will cover all of this or be treated as enemies of the state.

Then launch a full-scale DoD DEA attack with 4 Carrier Battle Groups on the Atlantic, Gulf and Pacific sides of Mexico and Central American Drug smuggling Routes and CCP Supplied and funded Fentanyl Factories with fully cooperative Mexican and Latin American govt and military allied attacks just like we did the first time we had to take down the Columbian Cocaine and Crack Cartels. 

CIA can Legally Hire former DoD Special Forces and embed them with Posse Comitatus compliant Federal DEA/ATF and the bloody CCP/FBI traitors have a choice - work with the DoD/CIA/DEA to eliminate the CCP Fentanyl laced Drugs supplied by multiple Mexican and Latin American Militias and CCP NARCO-TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS and kill all of the CCP Narco-Terrorists where they sleep across Mexico and Latin America (Witness the Mexican Govt War with the Sinaloa Cartel and their recent battle to arrest and extradite El Chapo's son to the USA Federal Prison Systems).   Exactly how we took down the ISIS Caliphate.  The latest Sinaloa battles in Mexico resulted in the seizure of massive Military Militia Grade weapons caches.  Proof the USA is now fighting true armed organized militias exactly like ISIS. 

Will be interesting to watch mass formations of M1A1 Super Tanks and Apache attack Helos roll across the southern border with US Air Force and Space Force Support along with the US Navy Carrier Battle Groups as they come down like Thor's Hammer on these CCP-Narco Terrorists camps and urban strongholds until every last one of the Enemy is phooking dead. 

Do you really think Biden went to the wall to reach out "across the aisle" to the new GOP house who now controls his Govt Purse Strings and will shut down the US Gov Spending over the coming Debt Ceiling unless Joe radically changes course now and upholds his oath as CIC. 

Biden's Border Wall Walk was a distraction, the real action was meeting with the Mexican Govt which just negotiated USA Support for its war on the Narco-Terrorists now that they see that the USA gave $110 Billion USD plus overtly and trillion$ covertly to support the Kiev/Burisma branch of Biden's Crime Family and Ukraine Mafiya Operations in Ukraine. 

Mexico expects the same now in return for going to war with the CCP Narco-Terrorists and shutting down the Drugs Crimes fueled by the Beijing Biden/CCP Cartels' fentanyl murders and narco-terrorist war against the USA.

BC a.k.a. Baphomet the Communist can pound his Communist Posse Comitatus BS up his arse next to his head, either or both.

The USA is now at war with the CCP-Narco-Terrorists who got strong while we were distracted by the ISIS Caliphate and the Ukraine Mafiya War with their Russian Mafiya cousins.

Shite is now getting real.

Clearly, you haven't got a clue Cuffy.  You'd be better off trying to figure out why the demand is so high for this shit and address the root causes before you go warring in Mexico, and China.  Supply follows demand. The war on drugs failed miserably and you still don't get it.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Contrarian on January 10, 2023, 05:15:07 PM

A Biden apologist network said there wasn't anything of value
left behind, that's such a surprise. I recommend using several
sources to get to the bottom of what's going on, especially
when Biden took such a major hit from his mismanagement.

Not how I read it, but if that's your opin, it's fine.


What a surprise, Beyond Confused cannot read and comprehend plain English!  :sick0012:

Good job Cufflinks, I enjoyed that immensely!      :ROFL:        :ROFL:        :ROFL:        tiphat
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Contrarian on January 10, 2023, 05:16:55 PM

Clearly BC Baphomet the Communist is channeling his inner reincarnation of the Italian Communist leader that the Soviets named their LADA-FIAT Auto City after.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmiro_Togliatti

Residing in his Italian Communist Workers Paradise he spouts communist shite and verbose vomit across the true Patriots that are currently suffering under the Reign of Beijing Biden and the Biden CCP bought and paid for Crime Cartel.  The CCP being you guessed it BC's beloved Chinese COMMUNIST Party.

The CCP is supplying massive amounts of the liquid chemical precursors for fentanyl to the Mexican Narco-Terrorist Cartels that are currently actively invading the USA and Killing over 100,000 young men and women of military age to the benefit of the CCP and Mexican "Reconquistadores" who's main goal is to take over the USA and replace the USA population with cheap low IQ indigenous Mexican labor and high IQ Chinese Communist Managers and executives. 

To all the communist lovers and CCP disciples on this forum just watch how the CCP collaborators in the Biden Regime are about to go into full arse-pucker mode as the Patriots of America, ARMED and AMMOED Up to the full max now are preparing to go FULL MEDIEVAL on the Beijing Biden CCP regime with investigations, subpoenas, and CUTTING OFF ALL Funding to the US GOVT, DoD, DEA, ATF, and all federal LEO agencies (FBI and CIA) as the first shots are fired across the Beijing Biden CCP Ship of State until they do their jobs fighting the CCP Narco Terrorists. 

Old Joe was in the US Senate and he may be demented but he can still count votes and may believe the only way to keep his entire family out of prison is to do his damned job as POTUS on behalf of the US People instead of the Chinese, Central American and Ukrainian people. 

Either that or the entire Biden Crime Cartel goes to prison along with all of their CCP Democommunist Party co-conspirators. 

The CCP Beijing Biden Narco-Terrorists wanted a war with the American Patriots they have one now - first law voted on today in the New Patriots lead Congress is to IMPEACH DHS Secretary Mayorkis (Biden knows he is next) the Lying Legacy Media will cover all of this or be treated as enemies of the state.

Then launch a full-scale DoD DEA attack with 4 Carrier Battle Groups on the Atlantic, Gulf and Pacific sides of Mexico and Central American Drug smuggling Routes and CCP Supplied and funded Fentanyl Factories with fully cooperative Mexican and Latin American govt and military allied attacks just like we did the first time we had to take down the Columbian Cocaine and Crack Cartels. 

CIA can Legally Hire former DoD Special Forces and embed them with Posse Comitatus compliant Federal DEA/ATF and the bloody CCP/FBI traitors have a choice - work with the DoD/CIA/DEA to eliminate the CCP Fentanyl laced Drugs supplied by multiple Mexican and Latin American Militias and CCP NARCO-TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS and kill all of the CCP Narco-Terrorists where they sleep across Mexico and Latin America (Witness the Mexican Govt War with the Sinaloa Cartel and their recent battle to arrest and extradite El Chapo's son to the USA Federal Prison Systems).   Exactly how we took down the ISIS Caliphate.  The latest Sinaloa battles in Mexico resulted in the seizure of massive Military Militia Grade weapons caches.  Proof the USA is now fighting true armed organized militias exactly like ISIS. 

Will be interesting to watch mass formations of M1A1 Super Tanks and Apache attack Helos roll across the southern border with US Air Force and Space Force Support along with the US Navy Carrier Battle Groups as they come down like Thor's Hammer on these CCP-Narco Terrorists camps and urban strongholds until every last one of the Enemy is phooking dead. 

Do you really think Biden went to the wall to reach out "across the aisle" to the new GOP house who now controls his Govt Purse Strings and will shut down the US Gov Spending over the coming Debt Ceiling unless Joe radically changes course now and upholds his oath as CIC. 

Biden's Border Wall Walk was a distraction, the real action was meeting with the Mexican Govt which just negotiated USA Support for its war on the Narco-Terrorists now that they see that the USA gave $110 Billion USD plus overtly and trillion$ covertly to support the Kiev/Burisma branch of Biden's Crime Family and Ukraine Mafiya Operations in Ukraine. 

Mexico expects the same now in return for going to war with the CCP Narco-Terrorists and shutting down the Drugs Crimes fueled by the Beijing Biden/CCP Cartels' fentanyl murders and narco-terrorist war against the USA.

BC a.k.a. Baphomet the Communist can pound his Communist Posse Comitatus BS up his arse next to his head, either or both.

The USA is now at war with the CCP-Narco-Terrorists who got strong while we were distracted by the ISIS Caliphate and the Ukraine Mafiya War with their Russian Mafiya cousins.

Shite is now getting real.

Thanks for putting me in my place, Cufflinks, I deserved every bit of that ass spanking!!!



FTFY Commie..... :smokin:
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Markje on January 10, 2023, 05:20:20 PM
The war on drugs failed miserably and you still don't get it.
The only way to win that war, is with good health-care to the poor.... guess where the USA is failing.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: cufflinks on January 10, 2023, 09:40:48 PM
This is a full-on massive Narco-Terrorist War against the USA by the CCP and their Criminal Narco-Terrorist allies in Mexico.  Touchy-feely social justice platitudes do NOT win wars, fentanyl is not recreational Weed or Cocaine - it is extremely deadly and dangerous - it is in fact a biomedical weapon, and the full force of the US Military and all State and Federal LEO Agencies needs to be brought to bear backing up the Mexican Military in this active war against the Narco-Terrorist Cartels and their CCP enablers.

A fully organized and well-armed and commanded offense can make Mexico Safe again for its own people as well as the rest of North America including Canada as every city in the USA and Canada sees young people dying from Fentanyl poisoning on a daily basis.  THIS MUST END NOW.

 :dh:
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: BC on January 10, 2023, 10:55:14 PM
Good job Cufflinks, I enjoyed that immensely!      :ROFL:        :ROFL:        :ROFL:        tiphat

I'm glad you at found Cuffy's childish tantrum at least has some entertainment value.  As for legal, practical, and actionable ideas to combat the demand for chemicals that cause dependency and death, it's worth zero.

 



Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: BC on January 11, 2023, 05:05:58 AM
THIS MUST END NOW.

Decades of such talk have achieved very little.  Did the War on Drugs stop pot? Cocaine? Meth? LSD? Shrooms? etc etc?  Of course not. Did arresting consumers staunch demand? Of course not. It just drove them deeper into the depths of despair and addiction. Smugglers have existed since the first laws were written and will continue their business of filling the demand no matter how or what you throw at them. Like any commodity, illicit drug prices will only vary with supply.  Reducing supply won't help.  If it costs more, addicts will steal more to make up the difference, and we'll just be paying out of another pocket. Demand for drugs of all types is skyrocketing.  Fentanyl and similar drugs are readily available anywhere on this planet, but the US has the highest number of folks addicted and the highest number of overdoses and deaths per capita by far, something like 3 to 20+ times that of other 'rich' countries.

The US also (still) prescribes far more opiate painkillers per capita than any other nation, despite reducing prescriptions by 40%.  Decades of folks hooked on prescribed opiates are now turning to more dangerous alternatives such as fentanyl et al.

You're just looking for someone else to blame when WE and our for-profit healthcare system created this monster and the resulting demand Cuffy.  All you can come up with is excuses.  Even civil cases that brought in huge fines to manufacturers and distributors is only a drop in the bucket of what it will cost us to help those who need it most.  Now rehab is a huge business that profits even more from high recidivism.  Pick 'em up, spit 'em out when their 30 60 or 90 days is up, then pick 'em back up in a couple of months if they haven't OD'd by then.  Meanwhile, you and I will be paying for it one way or another.

This is what the data shows...

(https://i.postimg.cc/FR1s3TSV/Screenshot-2023-01-11-at-11-49-57.jpg)
https://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/sites/652ef96a-en/index.html?itemId=/content/component/652ef96a-en

(https://i.postimg.cc/5t9nsYbn/Screenshot-2023-01-11-at-12-38-51.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/NM98nRV7/Screenshot-2023-01-11-at-12-40-12.jpg)
https://end-overdose-epidemic.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/AMA-2021-Overdose-Epidemic-Report_92021.pdf


Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: cufflinks on January 11, 2023, 05:54:44 AM
Good job Cufflinks, I enjoyed that immensely!      :ROFL:        :ROFL:        :ROFL:        tiphat

I'm glad you at found Cuffy's childish tantrum at least has some entertainment value.  As for legal, practical, and actionable ideas to combat the demand for chemicals that cause dependency and death, it's worth zero.

BC you ignoramus if we were face to face I would treat you like a Narco-Terrorist because if you defend CCP Narco-Terrorists you ARE a Narco-Terrorist and are in fact an enemy of the US Constitution - in your case a Bold Faced Beijing Biden Loving Traitor.

As for your worn-out liberal Communist whore's trope that if there was no demand for illegal drugs there would be no problem - you are just like the Drag Queens who teach little children that cross-dressing and performing while living an LGBTQ-trannie life is healthy when it is the primary vector for 30 STD's many deadly and debilitating.

The problem with these advanced CCP designer Drugs and potent fentanyl or 100X worse carfentanyl is that they are extremely addictive and deadly so your red herring argument against fighting the CCP Narco Terrorists Cartels is a RED HERRING, Dead on Arrival just like your beloved CCP Narco-Terrorists very soon.

Baphomet the Satanic Communist you and your AOC Marxist ilk are despicable excuses for human beings - Putin has the right idea nuking you pukes in the EU.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: BC on January 11, 2023, 07:40:36 AM

BC you ignoramus if we were face to face I would treat you like a Narco-Terrorist because if you defend CCP Narco-Terrorists you ARE a Narco-Terrorist and are in fact an enemy of the US Constitution - in your case a Bold Faced Beijing Biden Loving Traitor.

As for your worn-out liberal Communist whore's trope that if there was no demand for illegal drugs there would be no problem - you are just like the Drag Queens who teach little children that cross-dressing and performing while living an LGBTQ-trannie life is healthy when it is the primary vector for 30 STD's many deadly and debilitating.

The problem with these advanced CCP designer Drugs and potent fentanyl or 100X worse carfentanyl is that they are extremely addictive and deadly so your red herring argument against fighting the CCP Narco Terrorists Cartels is a RED HERRING, Dead on Arrival just like your beloved CCP Narco-Terrorists very soon.

Baphomet the Satanic Communist you and your AOC Marxist ilk are despicable excuses for human beings - Putin has the right idea nuking you pukes in the EU.

Throw in the kitchen sink if you want Cuffy; your opinion is worthless without facts to back them up.  I'll agree with you that fentanyl and its derivatives are more potent than heroin or other pharma opioids, leading to more overdoses, but that doesn't change a thing in the overall equation regarding the demand for opiates.

Heroin is cut with all kinds of nasty stuff including rat poison.  The only thing new here is that fentanyl et. al leaves out the heroin entirely, replacing it.  Being much more powerful, it's easier to manufacture, and much smaller making it easier to smuggle.  At this point, it would be better to just offer addicted folks pharmaceutical-grade oxy or similar, and let the big pharma/health industry cash in a third time on the monster they helped create.

Close the border completely, stop all shipping, stop all mail and someone will still be able to smuggle the stuff needed to make it.  Probably only a bit more complicated than meth, and that's made all over the US.

Here are some 'how to' instructions in 7 different ways... somebody will figure out how to make it in a garage, or in the woods like bootleggers ... https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.orglett.2c03338

Jeez.. almost a thousand meth labs in Tulsa OK???  https://money.cnn.com/interactive/news/meth-lab-map/

Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: cufflinks on January 13, 2023, 07:07:16 PM
Just more excuses BC on behalf of your Democrat Communist Party's darlings the CCP and their Latin American Narco-Terrorists.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: 2tallbill on January 16, 2023, 05:11:21 PM
Not how I read it, but if that's your opin, it's fine.

Yes, that's my opinion.

Udachi!
Bill
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Contrarian on March 05, 2023, 03:45:08 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/here-s-why-experts-say-russia-and-china-s-attempts-to-de-dollarize-global-markets-are-going-nowhere/ar-AA18f3XE?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=264eecbca47c48adb40c35b4ae1baf1d&ei=49
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Manny on March 08, 2023, 06:06:22 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/here-s-why-experts-say-russia-and-china-s-attempts-to-de-dollarize-global-markets-are-going-nowhere/ar-AA18f3XE?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=264eecbca47c48adb40c35b4ae1baf1d&ei=49

Typical fake news/propaganda.

Un-named "experts" and a nonsense piece by someone called Jennifer Sor, a "junior reporter". Probably a Chat GPT-generated piece.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: andrewfi on March 08, 2023, 11:32:06 PM
Interesting how the article suggests that dedollarisation won't happen because the dollar is so widely used, yet the dollar is being less widely used. At some moment in time a tipping point will be reached and a sudden change will occur.

Can the USA halt the process? Almost certainly not through economic intervention. The other option is liable to result in a phyrric victory.

Remember, every time the United States imposes illegal sanctions upon countries, companies and individuals with the stated goal of isolation of those entities, the reality is that the United States is isolating itself from those entities. The rest of the world is larger than the USA. This is a one-way street.

Title: Dedollarization.
Post by: 2tallbill on April 01, 2023, 03:33:36 PM
Remember, every time the United States imposes illegal sanctions upon countries, companies and individuals with the stated goal of isolation of those entities, the reality is that the United States is isolating itself from those entities. The rest of the world is larger than the USA. This is a one-way street.

Do you have any examples of where/when this has happened?
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: andrewfi on April 01, 2023, 04:16:28 PM
Think for a moment Bill. The one follows from the other. If For example, France refuses to buy apples from the UK then, in a small way, France has isolated itself from the UK. There is less communication between apple buyers in France and apple sellers in the UK as a result.

If France then decides to stop buying bread from the UK, the same happens.

You get that? Understand it?

So, what happens when France stops buying anything from the UK. No trade?
Is France more or less isolated from the UK than before the process started?

Yes, that's right. France is more isolated from the the UK than before.

Now apply that to the US case. Now you understand the point.

It's not an on/off switch. It is a process.

And of course, in this situation, at some point, the UK will, quite sensibly, say, hmm, those frogs are not worth bothering with. Let's not go to France on vacation. Let's go to Spain instead, a place that does not cause us problems, a place where our money is welcome.

So the isolation process spirals.

That's the process in which the United States is involved. We are now starting to see the "They are a pain in the arse. It's not worth going there on vacation" phase. So Saudi Arabia is starting to sell energy products to China in yuan. France is buying energy products from China in yuan.

If you seek examples, then every single illegal sanction imposed by the USA, every single illegal asset seizure becomes an example of the USA becoming more isolated.

But remember, these things are not simple binary events, they are part of a process. But a process with a tipping point.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: 2tallbill on April 01, 2023, 04:50:46 PM
Think for a moment Bill.

If you can't think of an example, just say that you can't. I don't have the time
for your verbose navel gazing. 


Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Texan77 on April 01, 2023, 05:58:43 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/here-s-why-experts-say-russia-and-china-s-attempts-to-de-dollarize-global-markets-are-going-nowhere/ar-AA18f3XE?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=264eecbca47c48adb40c35b4ae1baf1d&ei=49

Typical fake news/propaganda.

Un-named "experts" and a nonsense piece by someone called Jennifer Sor, a "junior reporter". Probably a Chat GPT-generated piece.

What is happening is groups of countries will trade in trading blocks. Russia and China will be part of one block and USA and EU will be part of another block. There will be little trade between blocks but trade within blocks.  It is the end of globalization as we know it. The completing blocks will make the world less efficient, and most people will have less. A less affluent and older society means it will be harder for anyone to sell products in most countries.



Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Wiz on April 10, 2023, 02:00:04 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/here-s-why-experts-say-russia-and-china-s-attempts-to-de-dollarize-global-markets-are-going-nowhere/ar-AA18f3XE?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=264eecbca47c48adb40c35b4ae1baf1d&ei=49

Typical fake news/propaganda.

Un-named "experts" and a nonsense piece by someone called Jennifer Sor, a "junior reporter". Probably a Chat GPT-generated piece.

What is happening is groups of countries will trade in trading blocks. Russia and China will be part of one block and USA and EU will be part of another block. There will be little trade between blocks but trade within blocks.  It is the end of globalization as we know it. The completing blocks will make the world less efficient, and most people will have less. A less affluent and older society means it will be harder for anyone to sell products in most countries.

Professor Tex  watch the truth from Tucker.... and start learning!


I expect your reply will be: He is a NAZI!!! :biggrin: :dh:


The death of the Dollar is very Near!!!


Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Markje on April 10, 2023, 04:34:52 PM
In other news:
https://www.silkroadbriefing.com/news/2023/03/31/brazil-china-sign-agreement-to-drop-us-dollar-and-use-rmb-yuan-real-in-bilateral-trade/

(ok, it is a bit pro-china oriented website, but still)


Quote
China and Brazil have secured a deal to conduct bilateral trade in their own respective currencies, eliminating the US dollar as an intermediary.

The agreement between the two BRICS countries, which have $150 billion in annual trade, would probably have been signed in Beijing this week had Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva’s scheduled visit not been postponed due to illness. At around the same time, China also conducted its first-ever trade of liquified natural gas settled entirely in yuan with France’s TotalEnergies.

The decision by Brazil and China to pursue non-dollar trade is a huge geopolitical moment, and a sign that countries are seeking to move away from using the US currency, in direct response to Washington’s abuse of the global reserve currency for its own hegemonic aims. Although the greenback will of course remain a prominent force in global trade and economics, the Americans’ ability to use it as a tool with which to bully and quash other countries is diminishing.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: rosco on April 11, 2023, 02:51:42 AM
The BRICS collective, comprising Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa, is working on a common currency in an attempt to ditch the US dollar and push back against America’s dominance.

https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/dumping-the-dollar-brics-currency-us-dollar-trade-india-china-russia-12403612.html
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: rosco on April 11, 2023, 02:55:22 AM
Saudi Arabia breaks ties with America for economic independence

According to a Financial Times report, the decision to adopt an economic strategy independent of the US is due to the deteriorating relations between Riyadh and Washington during the Biden administration.

Saudi Arabia was recently granted a dialogue partner status in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), a China-led Asian security and economic bloc that includes Russia, India, Pakistan and other major economic players. The state may eventually be granted full membership.

The traditional unilateral relationship with the US has now ended, and we have moved to a more open relationship; Strong with the US but equally strong with China, India, (the) UK, France and others.

https://biz.crast.net/saudi-arabia-breaks-ties-with-america-for-economic-independence/
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Wiz on April 11, 2023, 03:41:10 AM
Saudi Arabia breaks ties with America for economic independence

According to a Financial Times report, the decision to adopt an economic strategy independent of the US is due to the deteriorating relations between Riyadh and Washington during the Biden administration.

Saudi Arabia was recently granted a dialogue partner status in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), a China-led Asian security and economic bloc that includes Russia, India, Pakistan and other major economic players. The state may eventually be granted full membership.

The traditional unilateral relationship with the US has now ended, and we have moved to a more open relationship; Strong with the US but equally strong with China, India, (the) UK, France and others.

https://biz.crast.net/saudi-arabia-breaks-ties-with-america-for-economic-independence/

Has it crossed your mind that the BRICS now control more population in the globe than USA?

Soon the dominace of the dollar will end around the world.

Russia now has more control of oil and gaz production, from its control of the North pole resources, where America has very litle production or none and buy supplies of oil and gaz from Russia via India and also from Iran in the market prices?

The Dollar and America are both on the same path falling down steps like Biden!

The end is coming fast.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Danchik on April 11, 2023, 07:01:12 AM
Saudi Arabia breaks ties with America for economic independence

According to a Financial Times report, the decision to adopt an economic strategy independent of the US is due to the deteriorating relations between Riyadh and Washington during the Biden administration.

Saudi Arabia was recently granted a dialogue partner status in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), a China-led Asian security and economic bloc that includes Russia, India, Pakistan and other major economic players. The state may eventually be granted full membership.

The traditional unilateral relationship with the US has now ended, and we have moved to a more open relationship; Strong with the US but equally strong with China, India, (the) UK, France and others.

https://biz.crast.net/saudi-arabia-breaks-ties-with-america-for-economic-independence/

Has it crossed your mind that the BRICS now control more population in the globe than USA?

Soon the dominace of the dollar will end around the world.

Russia now has more control of oil and gaz production, from its control of the North pole resources, where America has very litle production or none and buy supplies of oil and gaz from Russia via India and also from Iran in the market prices?

The Dollar and America are both on the same path falling down steps like Biden!

The end is coming fast.

Wiz, don't confuse the dollar with the petrodollar. The dollar will be fine and is a much tougher nut to crack.

I wrote a few months back that the petrodollar was on life support, and it is.

Also ridiculous is the sanctimonious Americans on this board who have the balls to call Russia a bully. Too funny.

The world is tired of America dictating policy. Ukraine is the last straw as countries around the globe tire of being bombed and/or sanctioned or are fearful that their assets will be confiscated if they don't do exactly as they're told. Which happens to be against international law, as if America gives a rat's ass about any kind of law.

Bitch about China all you want Americans, and keeping trying to convince us that it will not surpass the US as the global leader, but it's happening in real time.

China, for all its drawbacks, still looks to advance other nations by offering mutually beneficial trade options whereas America only offers the option of said country NOT to be bombed.

Gee, I wonder what should a country do?

Equally as important is the fact that the rest of the world has caught up to the advancements of today and are much, much, less reliant on the "Collective West". IOW, they are much more self-reliant.

Bottom line, this situation in Ukraine is negatively affecting the world and no one is benefitting from it except a very small group of crazy, sociopathic  :censored: ers and opportunists.

Count me as one of the outsiders who has had enough of America's "I'm going take my ball and go home" bitch ass paradigm.

Only in this case "my ball" is bombing countries back to the Stone Age, or economically sanctioning countries. Both options, of which, have killed millions upon millions of INNOCENT people over the years.

Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Wiz on April 11, 2023, 10:32:29 AM
Saudi Arabia breaks ties with America for economic independence

According to a Financial Times report, the decision to adopt an economic strategy independent of the US is due to the deteriorating relations between Riyadh and Washington during the Biden administration.

Saudi Arabia was recently granted a dialogue partner status in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), a China-led Asian security and economic bloc that includes Russia, India, Pakistan and other major economic players. The state may eventually be granted full membership.

The traditional unilateral relationship with the US has now ended, and we have moved to a more open relationship; Strong with the US but equally strong with China, India, (the) UK, France and others.

https://biz.crast.net/saudi-arabia-breaks-ties-with-america-for-economic-independence/

Has it crossed your mind that the BRICS now control more population in the globe than USA?

Soon the dominace of the dollar will end around the world.

Russia now has more control of oil and gaz production, from its control of the North pole resources, where America has very litle production or none and buy supplies of oil and gaz from Russia via India and also from Iran in the market prices?

The Dollar and America are both on the same path falling down steps like Biden!

The end is coming fast.

Wiz, don't confuse the dollar with the petrodollar. The dollar will be fine and is a much tougher nut to crack.

I wrote a few months back that the petrodollar was on life support, and it is.

Also ridiculous is the sanctimonious Americans on this board who have the balls to call Russia a bully. Too funny.

The world is tired of America dictating policy. Ukraine is the last straw as countries around the globe tire of being bombed and/or sanctioned or are fearful that their assets will be confiscated if they don't do exactly as they're told. Which happens to be against international law, as if America gives a rat's ass about any kind of law.

Bitch about China all you want Americans, and keeping trying to convince us that it will not surpass the US as the global leader, but it's happening in real time.

China, for all its drawbacks, still looks to advance other nations by offering mutually beneficial trade options whereas America only offers the option of said country NOT to be bombed.

Gee, I wonder what should a country do?

Equally as important is the fact that the rest of the world has caught up to the advancements of today and are much, much, less reliant on the "Collective West". IOW, they are much more self-reliant.

Bottom line, this situation in Ukraine is negatively affecting the world and no one is benefitting from it except a very small group of crazy, sociopathic  :censored: ers and opportunists.

Count me as one of the outsiders who has had enough of America's "I'm going take my ball and go home" bitch ass paradigm.

Only in this case "my ball" is bombing countries back to the Stone Age, or economically sanctioning countries. Both options, of which, have killed millions upon millions of INNOCENT people over the years.

No I do not mix the petrodollar with the toilet paper which called DOLLAR and your usa goverment orders the FED to print. Do you know how many trillions are circulation , which basically is a Dept in the hands of other Nations?

How much gold you have in fort KNOX to support your dept?

Just an amazing coincidence happen to me last night.

I was wathing a debate in Greece and the gentleman the pick is an economist (worked in USA)and all his prediction for the past 10 years were right.

Reading your comments I was suprised to read you comments which is copy and paste of his comments. You are not speak GreeK?

It is clear that if the BRICS WHICH AT THE MOMENT have more  total  population than 1/2 of the Globe in its side... soon USA will have a problem.....with its exports.....as you and the Greek economist desgribed.
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Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Manny on April 12, 2023, 05:33:33 AM
I'd suggest de-dollarisation is gathering pace now more countries are on board. It's happening.

Some reading I've encountered in recent days:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/china-malaysia-discuss-asian-monetary-fund-reduce-dependence-us-dollar

https://www.wionews.com/business-economy/india-and-malaysia-dump-dollar-to-settle-trade-in-indian-rupee-578485

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/brics-nations-developing-new-currency-quest-global-de-dollarization-accelerates

Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: cufflinks on April 12, 2023, 08:20:54 AM
Saudi Arabia breaks ties with America for economic independence

According to a Financial Times report, the decision to adopt an economic strategy independent of the US is due to the deteriorating relations between Riyadh and Washington during the Biden administration.

Saudi Arabia was recently granted a dialogue partner status in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), a China-led Asian security and economic bloc that includes Russia, India, Pakistan and other major economic players. The state may eventually be granted full membership.

The traditional unilateral relationship with the US has now ended, and we have moved to a more open relationship; Strong with the US but equally strong with China, India, (the) UK, France and others.

https://biz.crast.net/saudi-arabia-breaks-ties-with-america-for-economic-independence/

Has it crossed your mind that the BRICS now control more population in the globe than USA?

Soon the dominace of the dollar will end around the world.

Russia now has more control of oil and gaz production, from its control of the North pole resources, where America has very litle production or none and buy supplies of oil and gaz from Russia via India and also from Iran in the market prices?

The Dollar and America are both on the same path falling down steps like Biden!

The end is coming fast.



LOLOLOL Wizzbanger you are such a USA hating Greek Leech sucking off the largesse of Britain which used to be the world's reserve currency.  Seems Broken Down Britannia suits you fine compare to Greece which has a much better climate but much worse financials.

NO ONE Trusts phooking organ harvesting Red Communist Chinese lest they become the next organ harvestees...

IMF SDRs Special Drawing Rights basket of currencies likely the next CBDC Digital Global Currency - look up the component currencies in the SDRs... 

We will NUKE all of you Euro surrender monkeys before we ever let the Genocidal Chinese take over the world. 

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Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Wiz on April 12, 2023, 01:25:33 PM
Saudi Arabia breaks ties with America for economic independence

According to a Financial Times report, the decision to adopt an economic strategy independent of the US is due to the deteriorating relations between Riyadh and Washington during the Biden administration.

Saudi Arabia was recently granted a dialogue partner status in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), a China-led Asian security and economic bloc that includes Russia, India, Pakistan and other major economic players. The state may eventually be granted full membership.

The traditional unilateral relationship with the US has now ended, and we have moved to a more open relationship; Strong with the US but equally strong with China, India, (the) UK, France and others.

https://biz.crast.net/saudi-arabia-breaks-ties-with-america-for-economic-independence/

Has it crossed your mind that the BRICS now control more population in the globe than USA?

Soon the dominace of the dollar will end around the world.

Russia now has more control of oil and gaz production, from its control of the North pole resources, where America has very litle production or none and buy supplies of oil and gaz from Russia via India and also from Iran in the market prices?

The Dollar and America are both on the same path falling down steps like Biden!

The end is coming fast.



LOLOLOL Wizzbanger you are such a USA hating Greek Leech sucking off the largesse of Britain which used to be the world's reserve currency.  Seems Broken Down Britannia suits you fine compare to Greece which has a much better climate but much worse financials.

NO ONE Trusts phooking organ harvesting Red Communist Chinese lest they become the next organ harvestees...

IMF SDRs Special Drawing Rights basket of currencies likely the next CBDC Digital Global Currency - look up the component currencies in the SDRs... 

We will NUKE all of you Euro surrender monkeys before we ever let the Genocidal Chinese take over the world. 

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It becomes obvious when somebody, like you, have nothing to add in a political conversation and resorts to personal insults etc…  it’s nothing more than an escapee from the asylum called America!

As you appear to be an ignorant loner b(w)anker, I would suggest, please learn to read, especially about the Greek civilisation which lasted 5000 years and what poor little Greece has offered to the current world civilisation, for which I am very proud that I was bourn there.

Obviously, Mr Ignoramus, take a good look to your USA history and let me know what your have offered to this world, apart from invading and killing millions of people, destroying their country and stealing everything you could get.

Your Hegemonic Gangster Empire has lasted only 70 years and soon will go down the pan of history.

As about myself, yes I am an immigrant in the UK, which I choose because it’s a civilised country, unlike yours. I have lived and worked here, paid my taxes, until my retirement and have been treated like anybody else who was born in this island.

Take a look at your comments which clearly show your ugly personality and mental state.

I suggest you go back to your asylum, where you belong to and let the world live in a more civilised manner.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: andrewfi on April 12, 2023, 02:05:33 PM
Cufflinks, losing it's position of primacy will not be, as you correctly pointed out, be the end of the world for the United States. The comparison you made is an imperfect one, but useful.

Just as the UK still has IIRC the 7th largest economy in the world, the United States would still have a very large economy. It would still be a major player on the world stage, just as Great Britain is.

But, the United States would lose the ability to force the rest of the world to pay for it's force projection. Also, the population of the world will cease to subsidise the standard of living of all USAians.

So, just as with the UK, the status of the USA will change. Fewer of you will be able to afford the standard of living you currently enjoy. Poverty will increase even further.

Losing dollar primacy will not mean that the United States pops out of existence. But the effect upon the rest of the world be be the loss of an economic and political dead weight. That's something that will benefit almost everyone without a blue passport.

When I started talking about this perhaps 20 years ago, I expected it to be a process that took a couple of generations. But as others have said in different places and contexts in answer to the question  "How did it happen so quickly?"
Slowly at first and then very fast.

Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Markje on April 12, 2023, 04:05:41 PM
I'd suggest de-dollarisation is gathering pace now more countries are on board. It's happening.

At first I was skeptical, but the signs are unmistakable. the Dollar is loosing its attractiveness as an in-between currency.

Others said: What will replace it, don't make me laugh. The answer is here: Nothing will be in place, because nobody in todays world will need another currency for business. "Swift" made sure of that.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Bodine on April 12, 2023, 04:57:14 PM
I'd suggest de-dollarisation is gathering pace now more countries are on board. It's happening.

At first I was skeptical, but the signs are unmistakable. the Dollar is loosing its attractiveness as an in-between currency.

Others said: What will replace it, don't make me laugh. The answer is here: Nothing will be in place, because nobody in todays world will need another currency for business. "Swift" made sure of that.

Wasn't the Euro, whether intentional or otherwise, established to 'rival' if not replace the dollar, too?
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: AJ on April 12, 2023, 07:24:22 PM
Cufflinks, losing it's position of primacy will not be, as you correctly pointed out, be the end of the world for the United States. The comparison you made is an imperfect one, but useful.

Just as the UK still has IIRC the 7th largest economy in the world, the United States would still have a very large economy. It would still be a major player on the world stage, just as Great Britain is.

But, the United States would lose the ability to force the rest of the world to pay for it's force projection. Also, the population of the world will cease to subsidise the standard of living of all USAians.

So, just as with the UK, the status of the USA will change. Fewer of you will be able to afford the standard of living you currently enjoy. Poverty will increase even further.

Losing dollar primacy will not mean that the United States pops out of existence. But the effect upon the rest of the world be be the loss of an economic and political dead weight. That's something that will benefit almost everyone without a blue passport.

When I started talking about this perhaps 20 years ago, I expected it to be a process that took a couple of generations. But as others have said in different places and contexts in answer to the question  "How did it happen so quickly?"
Slowly at first and then very fast.

And by this conjecture did everyone without an english accent benefit when english economy/currency withdrew as the primary?

When the worlds largest ecomony
 ( whomever it is) shrinks or devalues, most everyone takes a hit,not just the primary.
Its silly to think if the average usasian becomes less viable,that the average world citizen doesnt also.

Granted over time that can and would correct.

Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Lon on April 12, 2023, 08:35:54 PM
Cufflinks, losing it's position of primacy will not be, as you correctly pointed out, be the end of the world for the United States. The comparison you made is an imperfect one, but useful.

Just as the UK still has IIRC the 7th largest economy in the world, the United States would still have a very large economy. It would still be a major player on the world stage, just as Great Britain is.

But, the United States would lose the ability to force the rest of the world to pay for it's force projection. Also, the population of the world will cease to subsidise the standard of living of all USAians.

So, just as with the UK, the status of the USA will change. Fewer of you will be able to afford the standard of living you currently enjoy. Poverty will increase even further.

Losing dollar primacy will not mean that the United States pops out of existence. But the effect upon the rest of the world be be the loss of an economic and political dead weight. That's something that will benefit almost everyone without a blue passport.

When I started talking about this perhaps 20 years ago, I expected it to be a process that took a couple of generations. But as others have said in different places and contexts in answer to the question  "How did it happen so quickly?"
Slowly at first and then very fast.

And by this conjecture did everyone without an english accent benefit when english economy/currency withdrew as the primary?

When the worlds largest ecomony
 ( whomever it is) shrinks or devalues, most everyone takes a hit,not just the primary.
Its silly to think if the average usasian becomes less viable,that the average world citizen doesnt also.

Granted over time that can and would correct.

but they were going to be so happy   :chuckle:
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Markje on April 13, 2023, 12:49:30 AM

Wasn't the Euro, whether intentional or otherwise, established to 'rival' if not replace the dollar, too?
Not intentionally , but they were meant as a "de-dollarization" process of Europe itself  :ROFL:

Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: andrewfi on April 15, 2023, 05:08:18 PM
to those who have difficulty reading, i noted that my comparison was imperfect. One reason for its imperfection is that the world has changed. You could read my posts above and over the tears that discuss the reasons why a single, dominant, reserve currency is no longer as important - but yeah reading it can be a bugger.

So, no, not such an issue or reason for smiley faces. However, there were quite a few smiles as the accompanying withdrawal from physical presence and control took place. Something that occurred,in large part, but not solely, due to the inability of Great Britain to afford that presence.

That latter point is, IMHO, concommittent with the loss of the ability to freeride on the coattails of currency hegemony. Something that is far more deeply embedded in the US financial and political system than was the case for sterling in the British case. For example, there was never a petropound or coalpound. There were no Europounds. There was no sterling recycling - the mechanism that underpins the petrodollar and enabled dollar hegemony without any asset backing such as gold.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: AvHdB on April 17, 2023, 07:54:52 PM
While I have no problem with the forces and actors against the dollar. This is is just my observation with J. Biden as President the decline is accelerating.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Wiz on April 19, 2023, 03:01:37 AM
The Fed Is Bankrupt

"The Fed has experienced significant operating losses over the last six months, which have exhausted its existing capital."

By Thomas L. Hogan, American Institute For Economic Research


Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell recently testified before Congress on the current state of the US economy. In addition to monetary policy, Powell was questioned about the Fed’s regulatory proposals regarding crypto currencies and climate-related financial risks.

Barely mentioned, however, was the Fed’s balance sheet. The Fed has experienced significant operating losses over the last six months, which have exhausted its existing capital. Those losses represent foregone revenue to the US Treasury.

Operating losses

In the post-pandemic period, the Fed expanded the money supply significantly to support a swift economic recovery. It did so by purchasing vast amounts of US Treasury bonds and mortgage-backed securities. While those assets seemed like good investments at first, they are now a major hole in the Fed’s financial position.
When the bulk of the Fed’s quantitative easing (QE) programs took place in 2020 and 2021, market rates on long-term Treasury bonds fluctuated mostly in the range of 1.5 to 2.0 percent. At the time, the Fed was paying interest on bank reserves and overnight reverse repurchase (ONRRP) agreements of 0.15 or less. The Fed profited on the difference between the higher rate it received from its bond purchases minus the lower rates it paid on reserves and Overnight Reverse Repurchases (ONRRPs).

Now, the FED has raised the interest it pays to 4.55 percent on ONRRPs and 4.65 percent on bank reserves, but the rates it earns on its QE purchases remain mostly unchanged. Assuming, as a rough approximation, that the bonds it purchased pay an average rate of 1.75 percent, and the average rate paid on bank reserves and ONRRPs is 4.6 percent, then the Fed is paying about 2.85 percent per year more than it receives on its $8 trillion dollar securities portfolio. That’s a loss of $228 billion per year!

The bankrupt central bank

The FED is bankrupt — and I don’t just mean intellectually.

Like a private bank, the Fed maintains some level of capital as a buffer against losses. When those losses exceed the value of its capital, the Fed becomes insolvent, meaning the liabilities it owes to others are greater than the total value of the assets it holds.

The most recent data show that the Fed owes the Treasury over $41 billion, which exceeds its total capital. The Fed, by common standards, is indeed insolvent.

Deceptively deferred assets

What does the Fed do when its liabilities exceed its assets? It doesn’t go into legal bankruptcy like a private company would. Instead, it creates fictitious accounts on the assets side of its balance sheet, known as “deferred assets,” to offset its increasing liabilities.

Deferred assets represent cash inflows the Fed expects in the future that will offset funds it owes to the Treasury. As the Fed describes, “the deferred asset is the amount of net earnings the Reserve Banks will need to realize before their remittances to the US Treasury resume.” The Fed had already accrued $41 billion in deferred assets, and the amount is only getting larger.

The advantage to deferred assets is that the Fed can continue its normal operations without disruption, although considering the 40-year-high inflation, its recent performance has been less than ideal.

The disadvantage is that, at a time when the Fed is already worsening the US fiscal position by raising interest rates (and therefore interest payments on the federal debt), it is further robbing the Treasury of revenues by deferring them into the future. Those deferred payments, of course, must be shouldered by American taxpayers until the Fed’s remittances resume.
These losses may be offset by any previous gains on the Fed’s QE portfolio, but assessing the net effects of those actions is even more difficult. QE has created massive distortions in the financial system. The Fed’s interest rate tools of interest on bank reserves and ONRRPs have significantly curtailed short-term lending in the banking and financial systems.

A job for Congress?
In addition to its role in managing the money supply, the Fed is the primary regulator of most US banks. If any private bank behaved this irresponsibly, regulators, such as the Fed or Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC), would force it to close. Bank managers would lose their jobs and incomes.

Clearly, Congress is not planning to shut down the Fed, and is unlikely to punish it for its poor performance, but there are changes that could be made. The banks that are members of the Federal Reserve System could be forced to cover the capital shortfall, as described in the Federal Reserve Act. The Fed could return to a corridor system of monetary policy, resulting in lower interest paid on bank reserves and ONRRPs relative to market rates and therefore fewer reserves held at the Fed.

Shrinking the Fed’s balance sheet would make another Fed insolvency less likely, while also reducing the Fed’s footprint and the distortions it creates in the financial system. At very least, Fed officials should better manage its operations so as not to be a drain on American taxpayers again in the future.

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https://quoththeraven.substack.com/p/the-fed-is-bankrupt?token=eyJ1c2VyX2lkIjo3NDQxNjYxNiwicG9zdF9pZCI6MTE1MzAxMjE4LCJpYXQiOjE2ODE4MDg2MDEsImV4cCI6MTY4NDQwMDYwMSwiaXNzIjoicHViLTQxMTU0NiIsInN1YiI6InBvc3QtcmVhY3Rpb24ifQ.fBApCWlt8e1s4GKhbYgdjNAtMpJHqdVtwjP2HfiulL0&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Markje on April 19, 2023, 05:16:27 AM
The Fed Is Bankrupt
....article
All government agencies (of all democratic countries) are bankrupt, its in the nature of the beast.

So thats a 1-liner for the entire article thats much trouble about nothing.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Wiz on April 19, 2023, 09:34:32 AM
The Fed Is Bankrupt
....article
All government agencies (of all democratic countries) are bankrupt, its in the nature of the beast.

So thats a 1-liner for the entire article thats much trouble about nothing.

MARK i AM NOT A MARKETEER neither a bankster or economist......but those people writing these article must know a lot better about noney markets etc...and know why it happens. All I know,I have a set Pension etc and not spare cash to play in the markets bUt a close relative who is in the London Markets he told me that in March he got £25 bonus..........extra from his salary.....and always told me to stay out......not even try.......so...I talk with him but don't join in his dance.

On the other hand if you have free time, read th history of the FED.......you may change your views. JFK decided to take over running the country and made a law for printing $dollars by the state ....and they killed him!

 :biggrin: tiphat
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Wiz on April 20, 2023, 07:51:15 AM
Correction

The Fed Is Bankrupt
....article
All government agencies (of all democratic countries) are bankrupt, its in the nature of the beast.

So thats a 1-liner for the entire article thats much trouble about nothing.

MARK i AM NOT A MARKETEER neither a bankster or economist......but those people writing these article must know a lot better about noney markets etc...and know why it happens. All I know,I have a set Pension etc and not spare cash to play in the markets bUt a close relative who is in the London Markets he told me that in March he got £25.000 bonus..........extra from his salary.....and always told me to stay out......not even try.......so...I talk with him but don't join in his dance.

On the other hand if you have free time, read th history of the FED.......you may change your views. JFK decided to take over running the country and made a law for printing $dollars by the state ....and they killed him!

 :biggrin: tiphat
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: cufflinks on April 20, 2023, 01:23:36 PM
Eat this Beatches...


Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: cufflinks on April 20, 2023, 01:39:27 PM
Phock so I upgraded my Fidelity app, and added Cryptos to my account and unlike Coinbase whose stock is down 80% whereas Fidelity is a multi Trillion $$$ Mutual Funds etc and discount broker based in Boston that provides ultra secure institutional level custody of stocks and now cryptos BUT they only offer BTC & ETH at the moment and to avoid the IMF UMU and Fed etc CBDCs the smartest privacy folks strongly recc Monero (XMR) ... Looks like I will have to buy USDC on Coinbase xfer to Kucoin... Then buy XMR and xfer XMR to my new cold storage hardware wallet and store that in one of my hidden firesafes ... A pita rigamarole...  Beats all my blue Benji's being murdered by inflation and surveillance CBDCs.
Title: Dedollarization.
Post by: Lon on April 20, 2023, 06:32:26 PM
Phock so I upgraded my Fidelity app, and added Cryptos to my account and unlike Coinbase whose stock is down 80% whereas Fidelity is a multi Trillion $$$ Mutual Funds etc and discount broker based in Boston that provides ultra secure institutional level custody of stocks and now cryptos BUT they only offer BTC & ETH at the moment and to avoid the IMF UMU and Fed etc CBDCs the smartest privacy folks strongly recc Monero (XMR) ... Looks like I will have to buy USDC on Coinbase xfer to Kucoin... Then buy XMR and xfer XMR to my new cold storage hardware wallet and store that in one of my hidden firesafes ... A pita rigamarole...  Beats all my blue Benji's being murdered by inflation and surveillance CBDCs.

and do not forget the 10 day wait to actually transfer any new funds   :'(
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: cufflinks on April 22, 2023, 02:33:28 PM
Phock so I upgraded my Fidelity app, and added Cryptos to my account and unlike Coinbase whose stock is down 80% whereas Fidelity is a multi Trillion $$$ Mutual Funds etc and discount broker based in Boston that provides ultra secure institutional level custody of stocks and now cryptos BUT they only offer BTC & ETH at the moment and to avoid the IMF UMU and Fed etc CBDCs the smartest privacy folks strongly recc Monero (XMR) ... Looks like I will have to buy USDC on Coinbase xfer to Kucoin... Then buy XMR and xfer XMR to my new cold storage hardware wallet and store that in one of my hidden firesafes ... A pita rigamarole...  Beats all my blue Benji's being murdered by inflation and surveillance CBDCs.

and do not forget the 10 day wait to actually transfer any new funds   :'(

Good point - I will track and report on the actual # days to xfer funds into Coinbase, Buy USDC, Xfer USDC to KuKoin, Buy XMR on KuKoin and the Xfer fees direct from KuKoin to my still sealed in the Box SecuX V20 Cryptocurrency Hardware Wallet featuring a military grade Secure Element chip to protect your private keys and pin.  Features both USB - and - Bluetooth full Airgap connectivity.  unlike Trezor and Nano HW cold storage devices this is a Full Color 2.8" Screen supporting over 1,000 cryptos and tokens...
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: cufflinks on April 23, 2023, 12:47:51 PM
Cufflinks, losing it's position of primacy will not be, as you correctly pointed out, be the end of the world for the United States. The comparison you made is an imperfect one, but useful.

Just as the UK still has IIRC the 7th largest economy in the world, the United States would still have a very large economy. It would still be a major player on the world stage, just as Great Britain is.

But, the United States would lose the ability to force the rest of the world to pay for it's force projection. Also, the population of the world will cease to subsidise the standard of living of all USAians.

So, just as with the UK, the status of the USA will change. Fewer of you will be able to afford the standard of living you currently enjoy. Poverty will increase even further.

Losing dollar primacy will not mean that the United States pops out of existence. But the effect upon the rest of the world be be the loss of an economic and political dead weight. That's something that will benefit almost everyone without a blue passport.

When I started talking about this perhaps 20 years ago, I expected it to be a process that took a couple of generations. But as others have said in different places and contexts in answer to the question  "How did it happen so quickly?"
Slowly at first and then very fast.

In a recent announcement to Run for the USA Presidency, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Electrified the audience not with an attack on the mRNA Murder Vaxx but by quoting his Grandfather Joeseph Kennedy former SEC Chairman and Ambassador to England before the start of WWII under Franklin Roosevelt.

Ambassador Joe would warn that the USA should be Fortress America and be so strong AT HOME that NO ONE Dared attack us and go back to the Founding Fathers' admonitions that the USA does not get caught up in foreign entanglements.

Unfortunately for the USA the US Fed is owned and controlled by the City of London Rothschild Global Financial Interests that use the USA as a Crown Mercenary Force who actually pay a Trillion USD per Year to Prop Up NATO Surrender Monkey Nations so that the People of UK and EU do not have to pay for proper military defense and can, in fact, enjoy a cradle to grave social safety net while embracing and engaging in a Deviant Demented Degenerate LGBTQstds-Trannie Insanity lifestyle while the China Belt and Roads initiatives plan for the population replacement of the Native European Caucasian populations over the next 50 to 100 years while China absorbs the planets lands and resources.

To thunderous applause at the Park Plaza Hotel in Boston, RFK jr. announced that he would shut down all 800 USA overseas bases and bring the troops home to build back Fortress America.

This mega Deglobalization Trend is proving a boon for reshoring USA Jobs and Manufacturing technologies as even Taiwan's TSMC is building two $10 Billion Ultra High-End Chip factories in Arizona as a strong Plan B to the CCP Takeover of Taiwan - which has all other China-based USA Supply Chains and manufacturers looking to move to robotic factories in USA, Vietnam, Phils, Malaysia, Thailand even though the embargo of the Straits of Molucca sanctions to Cut off the CCP from Energy, Raw materials and Food Imports and finished Goods Exports to EMEA would have adverse effects on the rest of Asia who do not have unfettered Access to the Indian and Pacific Oceans like Phils and Japan and India. 

The AI and Robotic Revolutions lessen the need for Cheap Asian and Mexican Labor.  Therefore a demilitarization of the USA's 800 World Wide Military Bases and a focus back on the USA as Fortress America saving the USA $2 Trillion per year while the embargoed sanctioned CCP Collapses under the weight of 1.5 billion starving angry people and the Europeans go back to a condition of them being a series of arrogant ancient Tribes that Hate and Kill Each other or bow to the neu-Fuhrer Claus von Schwab of the WEF Fifth Reich, "Tu vill liff in zee containers, eat zee bugs und zhu vill be happy!"

And the USA uses the money saved from closing its Bases and leaving ungrateful NATO EU surrender monkeys to become the new prostitute whores for the Chinese Hordes who for some reason have white goddess factor envy and will breed you all out like an invading army of sewer rats over the next 50 to 100 years.  USA Pays off its national debt, accelerates Tech Innovations, and becomes the most prosperous and livable country on the planet by 2100.

Actually a GOOD THING for the USA to no longer be the de-facto policeman of the Globe.

And a Giant FU to the WIZZ butt blaster USA haters of the world. Hope you EUians enjoy the new slave labor lifestyle standards under your New Chinese Red Freaking Communist Belt and Roads overlords. 

 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: tiphat :thumbsup: :smokin:


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Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: cufflinks on April 23, 2023, 01:13:10 PM
Title: Dedollarization. crypto
Post by: Lon on April 24, 2023, 04:48:33 PM
Phock so I upgraded my Fidelity app, and added Cryptos to my account and unlike Coinbase whose stock is down 80% whereas Fidelity is a multi Trillion $$$ Mutual Funds etc and discount broker based in Boston that provides ultra secure institutional level custody of stocks and now cryptos BUT they only offer BTC & ETH at the moment and to avoid the IMF UMU and Fed etc CBDCs the smartest privacy folks strongly recc Monero (XMR) ... Looks like I will have to buy USDC on Coinbase xfer to Kucoin... Then buy XMR and xfer XMR to my new cold storage hardware wallet and store that in one of my hidden firesafes ... A pita rigamarole...  Beats all my blue Benji's being murdered by inflation and surveillance CBDCs.

and do not forget the 10 day wait to actually transfer any new funds   :'(

Good point - I will track and report on the actual # days to xfer funds into Coinbase, Buy USDC, Xfer USDC to KuKoin, Buy XMR on KuKoin and the Xfer fees direct from KuKoin to my still sealed in the Box SecuX V20 Cryptocurrency Hardware Wallet featuring a military grade Secure Element chip to protect your private keys and pin.  Features both USB - and - Bluetooth full Airgap connectivity.  unlike Trezor and Nano HW cold storage devices this is a Full Color 2.8" Screen supporting over 1,000 cryptos and tokens...

I had just got done that transfer  ...coinbase, usdc, kukoin, xrp...   coinbase made me wait for that 10 days.  first time that I had seen that.  now, will just skip coinbase.
my few crypto tokens have not warranted a hardware wallet yet, but will be picking one up soon.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Manny on April 27, 2023, 05:30:35 AM
From Reuters:

Yuan overtakes dollar to become most-used currency in China's cross-border transactions

SHANGHAI, April 26 (Reuters) - The yuan became the most widely-used currency for cross-border transactions in China in March, overtaking the dollar for the first time, official data showed, reflecting efforts by Beijing to internationalise use of the yuan.

Cross-border payments and receipts in yuan rose to a record $549.9 billion in March from $434.5 billion a month earlier, according to Reuters calculation based on data from the State Administration of Foreign Exchange.

Full article: https://www.reuters.com/markets/currencies/yuan-overtakes-dollar-become-most-used-currency-chinas-cross-border-transactions-2023-04-26/

It's happening.  :nod:
Title: Dedollarization the ONLY narrative that Manny can compute
Post by: 2tallbill on April 27, 2023, 06:25:16 AM
It's happening.  :nod:

I can see quite plainly that you don't understand how quickly or how frequently
China manipulates their currency, or the dangers to others who get sucked in.

From the Atlantic Council.org Quote:
"This creates Ruble-yuan exchange rate vulnerability. China is Russia’s top trade
partner, and its tight control of the yuan-ruble exchange rate creates risks for
Russia’s balance of trade.

A tightly controlled yuan may inherently seem more stable than a floating dollar,
but Chinese authorities have managed the ruble-yuan exchange rate to its
advantage before. Specifically, shortly after the invasion began, the Chinese
government relaxed yuan controls to allow the rapidly depreciating ruble to
fall faster, thus avoiding subsidizing Chinese goods for Russians by giving
them more yuan than their rubles were really worth.

As a result, it became much more expensive for Russia to buy Chinese goods.
In other words, China could choose at any time—for political reasons or
otherwise—to make Chinese imports really expensive and Russian exports
to China much cheaper."

Unquote:

So Russia has billions of Yuan. Now they are stuck with them and can only buy
what China wants to sell them at whatever rate they decide. If I bought a truck
load of British pounds, but found out I could only buy British tea sets and biscuits 
and only at Manny's bisuits and tea set prices determined by Manny the truck load
of pounds would suddenly become not so appealing anymore.

If I took my British pounds under this scenario to try to buy some Indian computer
chips, they would say keep your British pounds we don't want them as we have
already been stuck with them too.

It seems you only want to process information that fits this "down with the dollar
narrative" and you will repeat it again ad naseum ignoring all the countries who
have been stuck with the Yuan and can't exchange it unless the Chinese themselves manipulate it 10-20% before it can be used and only used with them.

You can't spend the Yuan except with China AND China will manipulate it before
you spend it.

Stuart, does this compute? Can you process this? I am convinced 
that you can't or you won't


Title: Re: Dedollarization the ONLY narrative that Manny can compute
Post by: Wiz on April 27, 2023, 09:38:20 AM
It's happening.  :nod:

I can see quite plainly that you don't understand how quickly or how frequently
China manipulates their currency, or the dangers to others who get sucked in.

[Atlantic Council propaganda goes here]

[Off topic removed]

Obviously Russia has only Putin, as it's main economist who make all decisions and he make big decisions on its own. People like the current PM, M. Mishustin and also the head of the Bank of Russia Elvira Nabiullina are ignorant and have not discussed all possibilities and aspects of their dealings with China, with Vladimir Putin another economist, before signing their agreements.

Your reference to the Atlantic Council, obviously in your view, it's a non partisan organization that galvanizes US global leadership and helps the USA in it's engagement in partnership with allies and partners. The fact of the matter is that wherever you look the future of USA is one way street , going down when comparing with the BRICKS etc. You have lost the single hegemony position and your country has very little to export apart from the criminal vaccine for Covid 19.

I suggest your read some foreign publications too apart from your own propaganda.

Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: cufflinks on April 27, 2023, 01:51:26 PM
Parable:

Chinese Python meets Russian Bear as it starts to snow... Russian Bear and Chinese Serpent are now allies so Russian Bear shares it warmth with Chinese Serpent...

Chinese Serpent bides its time and waits for Russian Bear to fall asleep.

When Russian Bear Goes to sleep Chinese Python channels inscrutable Chinese Nature and slowly starts to squeeze life out of the Sleeping Bear claiming it is just sharing warmth.

China has Russia firmly in China's Grasp - Right where China wants it!!!

 :eeekk:   :king:

Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: rosco on April 27, 2023, 02:20:20 PM
Parable:

Chinese Python meets Russian Bear as it starts to snow... Russian Bear and Chinese Serpent are now allies so Russian Bear shares it warmth with Chinese Serpent...

Chinese Serpent bides its time and waits for Russian Bear to fall asleep.

When Russian Bear Goes to sleep Chinese Python channels inscrutable Chinese Nature and slowly starts to squeeze life out of the Sleeping Bear claiming it is just sharing warmth.

China has Russia firmly in China's Grasp - Right where China wants it!!!

 :eeekk:   :king:

Trump told a similar tale about a kind woman and a snake I recall?

Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: mhr7 on April 27, 2023, 02:57:58 PM
Parable:

Chinese Python meets Russian Bear as it starts to snow... Russian Bear and Chinese Serpent are now allies so Russian Bear shares it warmth with Chinese Serpent...

Chinese Serpent bides its time and waits for Russian Bear to fall asleep.

When Russian Bear Goes to sleep Chinese Python channels inscrutable Chinese Nature and slowly starts to squeeze life out of the Sleeping Bear claiming it is just sharing warmth.

China has Russia firmly in China's Grasp - Right where China wants it!!!

 :eeekk:   :king:

Good God, I actually agree with you on something.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: rosco on April 27, 2023, 02:59:53 PM
Parable:

Chinese Python meets Russian Bear as it starts to snow... Russian Bear and Chinese Serpent are now allies so Russian Bear shares it warmth with Chinese Serpent...

Chinese Serpent bides its time and waits for Russian Bear to fall asleep.

When Russian Bear Goes to sleep Chinese Python channels inscrutable Chinese Nature and slowly starts to squeeze life out of the Sleeping Bear claiming it is just sharing warmth.

China has Russia firmly in China's Grasp - Right where China wants it!!!

 :eeekk:   :king:

Good God, I actually agree with you on something.

 :ROFL:
Title: Dedollarization the ONLY narrative that Manny can compute
Post by: 2tallbill on April 27, 2023, 04:07:52 PM
I suggest you go back to your sick bed and start relaxing your brain because you need a good rest.

[Abuse removed]

Your reference to the Atlantic Council, obviously in your view, it's a non partisan organization that galvanizes US global leadership and helps the USA in it's engagement in partnership with allies and partners.
I suggest your read some foreign publications too apart from your own propaganda.

The Atlantic Council is not unbiased. But I am done interacting with you.
Title: Re: Dedollarisation is happening
Post by: Manny on April 28, 2023, 05:49:27 AM
It's happening.  :nod:

I can see quite plainly that you don't understand how quickly or how frequently
China manipulates their currency, or the dangers to others who get sucked in.
[Atlantic Council propaganda goes here]

If what you claim is true, then there would be no incentive to trade in RMB or the currency of any country that did that.

However, you are also wrong in that the RMB could only be used with trade with China. Let's look at the USD as an example. If I buy goods from China, they sometimes want to be paid in USD. That isn't my currency, and I am a fan of dedollarisation so I tend to resist that, but that isn't the point. That deal would be done in USD between me and the Chinese. A currency that is not a home currency to either of us.

Now ask yourself, what is to stop us from doing that deal in pounds, Euros or Roubles? Nothing. The RMB is being used increasingly in trade with and between other countries, not just China. And that Billy Bob, is part of dedollarisation.
Title: Re: Dedollarisation is happening
Post by: 2tallbill on April 28, 2023, 06:30:43 AM
If what you claim is true, then there would be no incentive to trade in RMB or the
currency of any country that did that.

However, you are also wrong in that the RMB could only be used with trade with China. Let's look at the USD as an example. If I buy goods from China, they sometimes want to be paid in USD. That isn't my currency, and I am a fan of dedollarisation so I tend to resist that, but that isn't the point. That deal would be done in USD between me and the Chinese. A currency that is not a home currency to either of us.

Now ask yourself, what is to stop us from doing that deal in pounds, Euros or Roubles? Nothing. The RMB is being used increasingly in trade with and between other countries, not just China. And that Billy Bob, is part of dedollarisation.

You can't give an example of Non-Chinese countries trading in RMB. RMB is never
used between Russia and India or Iran or Russia and ________________ (name
any non Chinese country here) it's not happening. India and Australia have significant
trade between them none of them would say, hey let's use RMB this time.

If Russia called wanting some Saudi oil drilling equipment and tried to offer a bunch
of RMB for it, they would be hearing a dial tone on the phone. 

Russia is stuck with many billions of RMB and they can ONLY use it
to trade with China.

China will manipulate any billion Yuan deal and Russia has to like it or lump it.
Once you have several billion in RMB you put yourself in the unenviable position
of being highly restricted in what you can use it for.

Your anedotal small time trades with Chinese suppliers aren't subject to currency
manipulation. Russia's billion Yuan trades are.

Is some dedollarization happening? Sure sometimes. If a country is Naive enough
to decide to do a large trade in RMB, then they only have themselves to blame
when they get stuck with it the RMB (and they will).
Title: Re: Dedollarisation is happening
Post by: Manny on April 28, 2023, 02:09:35 PM
Quote from: 2tallbill link=topic=28483.msg546769#msg546769 date=1682685043 
[b
Russia is stuck with many billions of RMB and they can ONLY use it
to trade with China.[/b]

As China is the biggest economy in the world, and the world's factory, that doesn't sound too painful to me.

After all, they're not buying from the US anymore, are they?  :)

I appreciate it's hard for you to compute the decline of the dollar and the US as a whole, but it is really gathering pace now. It's the only way to stop your wars, coups and regime changes: blow the US up with inflation caused by dollars going home rather than bombs. Do you really think Russia and China hadn't planned this? It'll get you out of Ukraine and keep you away from Taiwan.
Title: Make your prediction and put a date on it
Post by: 2tallbill on April 28, 2023, 03:27:34 PM

As China is the biggest economy in the world, and the world's factory, that doesn't sond too painful to me.

Russia's oil company/government isn't going to buy plastic toys, haircare
products, cheap clothes, solar panels and cheap vitamins. It will be a purchase
of something specific that Russia the government wants or needs then they will
get ripped off.

Let's say that Russia wants to buy Series 123XYZ chips from China.
China manipulates the Yuan so that Russia must pay 40% more.

Is that really difficult to understand. It's not going to be gradual payment for
each container coming into port eventually using up the pile of Yuan.

After all, they're not buying from the US anymore, are they?  :)

Russia? Who cares, we do more business with Spain.

I appreciate it's hard for you to compute the decline of the dollar and the US as a whole, but it is really gathering pace now.

Check back in a year. Your confident/dubious predictions are getting tedius.
Tell me again about your prediction about how Russia invading Ukraine was
a Western hoax. I wanted it to be accurate, but it wasn't to be.

It'll get you out of Ukraine and keep you away from Taiwan.

My prediction for 4/28/2024 is that the USA will in fact have high inflation possibly
as high as 9.5% due to Biden nutjob economic policies.

Make your prediction and put a timeline on it and we can see who is more
accurate.

Wishing is not a strategy. The USA isn't going to Taiwan, neither is China.
Chinese would have hundreds of millions starve to death if they invaded
Taiwan. Don't forget to include your prophecies about Ukraine and Taiwan.

Like I said, let's check back in a year 4/28/2024 to see how we did.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Texan77 on April 29, 2023, 01:32:58 PM
China is not the biggest economy in the world. But add up USA close allies on the list and then maybe you can understand the real problem the BRICS nations face. They rely on being an export nations and the big nations that buy stuff on USA allies.

 [attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Markje on April 29, 2023, 02:07:01 PM
China is not the biggest economy in the world. But add up USA close allies on the list and then maybe you can understand the real problem the BRICS nations face. They rely on being an export nations and the big nations that buy stuff on USA allies.

  (Attachment Link)
When was that, 5 years ago? China is at least at 17 now. USA 21? but if you adjust GDP with PPP numbers, china has long since surpassed USA. (china 27, USA 23). (All 2021 numbers).

Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Texan77 on April 29, 2023, 02:46:21 PM
Just for markje

[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Markje on April 29, 2023, 04:13:32 PM
Just for markje


Right, another screenshot without source.

How about:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?locations=CN-US&most_recent_value_desc=true

And more telling even than the numbers, is the graph posted beside it. Where the USA looks like a linear growth, the China graph looks like a x2-exponential growth after 2000.

Oh and for laugh and giggle's , Russia is ranked 11th biggest economy in the world, ABOVE spain and other "mockery" countries mentioned on this board... of course, 2021 hasn't factored in the war yet, but looks like some people can use a dosage of real-numbers instead of the western-propaganda being spoon-fed to you.

2006: China = 6trillion, USA = 15 Trillion, a gap of 9Trillion GDP
2021: China = 17 Trillion, USA = 23 Trillion, China closed the gap by 3 Trillion GDP.

Also interesting:
Russia is 1.7 Trillion GDP
Ukraine = 0.000.020.000 Trillion GDP. (wowwwww) (or 200k GDP to be more compact).

Title: Re: Dedollarisation is happening
Post by: 2tallbill on April 29, 2023, 04:48:20 PM
If what you claim is true, then there would be no incentive to trade in RMB or the
currency of any country that did that.

However, you are also wrong in that the RMB could only be used with trade with China. Let's look at the USD as an example. If I buy goods from China, they sometimes want to be paid in USD. That isn't my currency, and I am a fan of dedollarisation so I tend to resist that, but that isn't the point. That deal would be done in USD between me and the Chinese. A currency that is not a home currency to either of us.

Now ask yourself, what is to stop us from doing that deal in pounds, Euros or Roubles? Nothing. The RMB is being used increasingly in trade with and between other countries, not just China. And that Billy Bob, is part of dedollarisation.

Manny, Russia is stuck with a over a hundred billion Yuan. How much do you trade
with China? A less than a 13,824,400 (2 million USD) is my guess. China won't
manipulate their currency for 2 million USD. A hundred billion RMB? They will. 

The Government/Oil company of Russia is stuck with that money. If you see Russia
do another Russian oil for 100 RMB trade with China then I am wrong, wrong, wrong.
Point it out to me and I will say "Manny is right and 2tallbill is wrong" If they don't
trade Russian oil for 100 billion Yuan again in the next two years then I am right.

China and Russia wanted it to work, but unless they do it again (same direction)
it didn't work.

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Texan77 on April 29, 2023, 06:51:02 PM
GDP of countries.

https://globalpeoservices.com/top-15-countries-by-gdp-in-2022/#:~:text=Top%2015%20Countries%20by%20GDP%20in%202022%201,GDP%20%E2%80%93%20Nominal%3A%20%241.88%20trillion%20...%20More%20items
Title: Dedollarization.
Post by: 2tallbill on April 30, 2023, 01:56:33 PM
Russia is ranked 11th biggest economy in the world, ABOVE spain and other "mockery" countries mentioned on this board... of course, 2021 hasn't factored in the war yet, but looks like some people can use a dosage of real-numbers instead of the western-propaganda being spoon-fed to you.

I was referring to Russian/Spain trade with the USA not GNP. Manny
posted as if the USA losing Russian trade is a thing to worry about,
it's not. The USA hasn't really had much trade with Russia post WW2.

The USA and Russia are the two biggest kids on the block who occasionally
poke each other with a stick to get a rise out of them.

Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: cufflinks on May 03, 2023, 12:04:11 PM
to those who have difficulty reading, i noted that my comparison was imperfect. One reason for its imperfection is that the world has changed. You could read my posts above and over the tears that discuss the reasons why a single, dominant, reserve currency is no longer as important - but yeah reading it can be a bugger.

So, no, not such an issue or reason for smiley faces. However, there were quite a few smiles as the accompanying withdrawal from physical presence and control took place. Something that occurred,in large part, but not solely, due to the inability of Great Britain to afford that presence.

That latter point is, IMHO, concommittent with the loss of the ability to freeride on the coattails of currency hegemony. Something that is far more deeply embedded in the US financial and political system than was the case for sterling in the British case. For example, there was never a petropound or coalpound. There were no Europounds. There was no sterling recycling - the mechanism that underpins the petrodollar and enabled dollar hegemony without any asset backing such as gold.

I recently read that the English Crown was able to harvest approx. 40 Trillion USD Equivalent in Pounds Sterling of value from its Empire - Primarily Greater India as much of the source of that great wealth from its Indian Sub Continent Colonies and subjects who were de-facto serfs (Economic Slaves). 

Irony is the CCP learned this system well in Hong Kong.  Now CCP Using British Colonial methods in its euphemistically labeled "Belts and Roads initiative" and using Debt Slavery Along the new Silk Road countries as well as Pan Africa and South America. 

This is why Nuclear WWIII is so probable by 2025 to 2027 when the CCP attempts to take Taiwan by Force.   Could be sooner with Nuland and Zalensky-10%ski plotting Drone attacks to take out Putin in the Kremlin and Missile attacks to finish off the Kerch Staits bridge to Crimea.  Then all Dantes Inferno Thermo Nuclear Fires of Hell will break out.

Could be a good time this spring to take your wife or Mistress on a Bucket List Cruise as a one last bang a thon.  Just Saying.

OBTW Per Peter Zeihan - CCP Attacks Taiwan...  USA, JAPAN, S-Korea and Phils shut down and blockade the Straits of Molucca in Indonesia to the south and The Japanese Straits to Vladivostok and Siberian Oil and Gas in the North... 

The CCP Collapses under its own Totalitarianism in 90 to 180 Days. 

The Chinese Mainland People will then adopt the Taiwanese Tech Dominance model and you EuroIANs better use BingChatGPT4 AI to learn Mandarin and Cantonese as they will be your new Financiers and Bosses.

USA will be their preferred allies as we jointly create a new Pan Pacific  Reserve Currencies System based upon Fiat Resistant Crypto...  Think decentralized Bitcoin MASHED with the best aspects of Smart Contracts Ethereum and Ultra Privacy and Security Monero.

That and DeFi apps will be the next world reserve currency when the Fed totally Phookatates the USA Economy and blows up the Global Debt Bomb that already has a lit fuse!!!

If you Brits play nice in Canada's Truedope Sandbox they might let you Join the USMCA and participate with US in our new Pan Pacific Alliances and free markets.  Despite your persistent airs of Superiority we Yanks have a soft spot for you Brits, Scots, Welsh, Irish horse racing grandees and Ladies Day Halter Tops "Goers" and Punters...  And I have always liked Bloody Billy Idol and Mick Jagger and the Beatles work.

So please try to contain your own NATO NeoCons so the Rooskies do not set off any of their Poseidon 100 Megaton Tsunami Torpedoes on you UK and EU waankers.

Fact is the new world balance of wealth and power will be Pacific Oriented and No Longer European.



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Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: cufflinks on May 03, 2023, 12:58:48 PM
China, Germany, etc etc

Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: cufflinks on May 03, 2023, 01:09:10 PM
Parable:

Chinese Python meets Russian Bear as it starts to snow... Russian Bear and Chinese Serpent are now allies so Russian Bear shares it warmth with Chinese Serpent...

Chinese Serpent bides its time and waits for Russian Bear to fall asleep.

When Russian Bear Goes to sleep Chinese Python channels inscrutable Chinese Nature and slowly starts to squeeze life out of the Sleeping Bear claiming it is just sharing warmth.

China has Russia firmly in China's Grasp - Right where China wants it!!!

 :eeekk:   :king:

Good God, I actually agree with you on something.

Deranged Minds Think Alike  :smokin:
Title: Re: Dedollarisation is happening
Post by: cufflinks on May 03, 2023, 01:19:55 PM
Quote from: 2tallbill link=topic=28483.msg546769#msg546769 date=1682685043 
[b
Russia is stuck with many billions of RMB and they can ONLY use it
to trade with China.[/b]

As China is the biggest economy in the world, and the world's factory, that doesn't sound too painful to me.

After all, they're not buying from the US anymore, are they?  :)

I appreciate it's hard for you to compute the decline of the dollar and the US as a whole, but it is really gathering pace now. It's the only way to stop your wars, coups and regime changes: blow the US up with inflation caused by dollars going home rather than bombs. Do you really think Russia and China hadn't planned this? It'll get you out of Ukraine and keep you away from Taiwan.

Manny as Usual you have your Superior Brit Biz Blinders on and are TRULY BLINDED to the facts.

Take this to the Effing BANK - The USA will never allow your beloved Communist Freaking Red China to control the World's Economy...

We will give NUKES to Japan, SoKorea and the Phillipines to back us up locally and they will build the world's highest quality and most reliable Hypersonic Delivery vehicles just like Japanese and SoKorean autos and electronics... and China gets blockaded  and Mainland China post CCP works with USA, Taiwan, Japan and So.Korea to create the world's most powerful TECH AI INNOVATOINS Pan Pacific Economy...  Oh Yeah little Rocket Man is eaten by his own starving people when the CCP evaporates...

This is the reality NOW (NO advanced Chips tech for CCP GOEs) and Post Biden CCP Bought and Paid for Communists - the reality of the FUTURE.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: cufflinks on May 03, 2023, 01:33:23 PM
Parable:

Chinese Python meets Russian Bear as it starts to snow... Russian Bear and Chinese Serpent are now allies so Russian Bear shares it warmth with Chinese Serpent...

Chinese Serpent bides its time and waits for Russian Bear to fall asleep.

When Russian Bear Goes to sleep Chinese Python channels inscrutable Chinese Nature and slowly starts to squeeze life out of the Sleeping Bear claiming it is just sharing warmth.

China has Russia firmly in China's Grasp - Right where China wants it!!!

 :eeekk:   :king:

Trump told a similar tale about a kind woman and a snake I recall?


LOL Trump's story is an ancient Native American Parable about the Indian Brave and a freezing rattlesnake.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Markje on July 20, 2023, 02:41:36 PM
https://www.telegraaf.nl/financieel/227114872/rusland-en-china-vallen-dollar-aan-met-nieuwe-digitale-munt-en-goud

I won't quote nor translate the whole article (behind paywall too), but there  are some true golden nuggets here:
The quoted RT-article has this source:
https://www.rt.com/business/557611-russia-golden-ruble-sanctions/

Quote
AMSTERDAM - The world of gold is in panic. Brazil, Russia, India, China and South-Africa, better known as BRICS , are working on a digital currency fully supported by gold. The countries are buzzing with rumour that the digital BRICS-coin will openly start to challenge the dollar.

some 2 paragraphs later:
Quote
Russia Today, which is well connected to the Kremlin announced the rise of this BRICS-coin for countries covering over 3 billion people. The announcement was also immediatly copied by the Russian embassy in Kenia.

Further down:
Quote
All payments of the BRICS country within the union have now started to abolish the dollar internally. The countries will back its gold using the Shanghai International Gold Exchange. It is the only gold market that is secure and big enough outside of western reach. This has been corrobarated by Jan Nieuwenhuijs, an expert in gold- and silver trading. He expects the new coin to be officially launched from 22-24 August 2023 during a top officials meeting in South Africa. Putin is expected to show, despite SA saying they will honor the ICC-warrant against him.

Later:
Quote
The world gold council has announced that China has acquired 102 metric tons of gold and Russia 21 metric tons of gold. That is a huge pile of gold. Gold is extremely popular in currency-volatile countries due to its stable value. China considers
 Nixons move in 1971 a misstake when he decoupled the dollar from Gold and turned on the money presses.

and lastly:
Quote
The SMO from Russia in Ukraine has put new momentum in the movement. Everything is advancing much faster than BRICS planned. Many high-value economists are fearing the moves made because it could send the USA in a debt-spiral when the Dollar loses its world-currency status. Henry Kissinger (over 100 years old) even traveled to China, when he never traveled before.

When the BRICS coin is officially announced, also backed by gold , this will put a serious contender for the dollar on the table. Gold has been the reserve-currency for 6000 years before the Dollar took over, any currency backed by gold-standards is to be taken extremely serious.
Its rise is basicly a do-or-die for the dollar. This process will take many decades , but it will be a major shockwave through the world financial markets.

China and Russia both promised the new coin will be available to end-consumers on their smartphones. When that becomes a commodity, the last rites for the dollar in all BRICS-countries can be performed.

My personal ideas with this news:
I'm thinking there will be a 3-stage entry to prevent major crashes in the financial world that will also hurt BRICS. First governments and all associated (N)GO will participate, then all big businesses and lastly small business and end-consumers.

Title: Dedollarization. gold standard
Post by: Lon on August 08, 2023, 12:17:37 PM

  the world economy is somewhere north of $100 trillion.
  how much gold is sitting around? a little over 200,000 metric tons?  how much
of that is sitting in jewelry, like wedding bands?  more than 50%?  how much is
still in ground?  what is the value of gold?  $1,900+/oz.,  62,000/kg.
  a little math 200,000tons x 1,000kg/ton x $62,000/kg = $12,400,000,000,000
  is that 12.4 trillion dollars?

  does not look like the gold standard will be taking over anytime soon.  gold would
have to come up in price/value by a factor of 20+

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/sp/chart-how-much-gold-is-in-the-world/

  I did not find (in my quick search) a reliable amount of silver, but...
1,600,000+ (2018) metric tons of silver, mining per year of about 30,000 tons
a little math 1,750,000tons x 1000 x $731/kg = 1,169,600,000,000
  is that 1.17 trillion dollars?  that did not help with the world economy either
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Markje on August 09, 2023, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: telegraaf.nl

Americans must say goodbye to highest credit status

by: EDIN MUJAGIĆ

IN FINANCIAL

There are three leading credit rating agencies in the world: Moody's, S&P and Fitch Ratings. This month, Fitch announced that it would downgrade the credit rating of the US from the highest possible score, AAA, to one step lower, AA+. S&P already did that in 2011. Only Moody's can boast the US with the highest score. But whether it will stay that way remains to be seen.

The United States lost top credit rating AAA to Fitch this month. In the long term, this could lead to higher interest rates if the US government wants to borrow money.

Fitch's analysts downgraded the credit rating because they saw a combination of factors that is not exactly rosy. For example, the budget deficit in the US is high, over 6 percent this year, and the deficit is expected to remain high.

Exceptionally high deficit
I sometimes formulate it differently: if, as an American government, you have a deficit of more than 6 percent of GDP, which is exceptionally high by all standards, while the economy is growing, what is the chance that the deficit will be transferred to factory institutions (read, between 1 and about 2 percent of GDP) will return when economic activity slows down? I don't think that's a big chance. When economic growth is slower, automatic effects occur, such as the government receiving less money in taxes but spending more.

In addition to budget deficits and national debt, there is also the problem of governance in the US. The Republicans and Democrats can just about agree that the sun shines outside when the sun shines outside, but that's about it. The country is already difficult to manage and, given the political developments, this will become even more difficult than easier in the coming years.

More circus around raising the debt ceiling
The circus around raising the debt ceiling, as we saw at the end of May and the beginning of June, will be the rule rather than the exception in the coming years. Starting at the end of 2024, because the debt ceiling is suspended until January 1, 2025. Fitch rightly speaks of an 'erosion of governance in the last two decades', which we can interpret as meaning that problems in that area are not incidents of recent years, but have now become a structural development.

In the short term, Fitch's credit rating downgrade will be mostly symbolic. The largest economy on the planet can no longer be found on the most honorable pedestal, something that people in China, among others, will be delighted to see. In the medium term, however, tangible consequences can also be expected, in the form of higher interest rates than if America had kept the top AAA credit rating. Lower creditworthiness means more risk for lenders, who in response ask for a higher interest rate for the extra risk.

By the way, the Netherlands is one of the few countries that still boasts the highest score from all three credit rating agencies.
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Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Texan77 on August 10, 2023, 06:19:28 AM
97.25 ruble to the dollars this morning and Ruble continues free fall trying to finance a war it cannot afford. Down almost 40 per cent since the beginning of the year.  :popcorn:

Markje, as far as I know no nation has a higher credit status than the USA. If you know of one or more list them please. It is true the USA has some problems, but it is worse everywhere else.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: rosco on August 10, 2023, 06:51:12 AM
97.25 ruble to the dollars this morning and Ruble continues free fall trying to finance a war it cannot afford. Down almost 40 per cent since the beginning of the year.  :popcorn:

Markje, as far as I know no nation has a higher credit status than the USA. If you know of one or more list them please. It is true the USA has some problems, but it is worse everywhere else.

And then there were 9: Here are the remaining AAA countries after Fitch stripped the U.S. of its top credit rating

https://fortune.com/2023/08/02/9-here-remaining-aaa-countries-after-fitch-stripped-us-of-top-ranking/#
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Texan77 on August 10, 2023, 06:58:24 AM
all USA allies.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Markje on August 10, 2023, 08:35:29 AM
Markje, as far as I know no nation has a higher credit status than the USA. If you know of one or more list them please. It is true the USA has some problems, but it is worse everywhere else.
Do you have a moment?

AAA status:
- Germany
- Netherlands
- Australia
- Canada
- Switzerland
- Denmark
- Liechtenstein
- Luxembourgh
- Norway
- Sweden
- Singapore

AA+ Status:
USA

I took the median rating of each country according to the "big 3" .

USA = AA+ (S&P) + AA+ (Fitch) + AAA (Moodies, For now)= AA+
NL    = AAA + AAA + AAA = AAA
etc.

Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: rosco on August 10, 2023, 09:25:41 AM
all USA allies.

What's that got to do with the conversation? You claimed that the US had the highest credit status (which is a lie) and asked for a list of those who have a better rating (you got that).

Again stop with all the lies and fantasy.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Texan77 on August 12, 2023, 10:25:51 PM
Russian exchange rate as ruble falls to less than a penny. 101 rubles per dollars. I know to everyone here this is not supposed to make a difference, but I feel it is an indication to Russia ability to pay for the war. If you notice the ruble has falling hard since the beginning of the year. It looks to me like Russia is on its way to becoming another Venezuela.

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Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: rosco on August 13, 2023, 06:21:06 AM
It looks to me like Russia is on its way to becoming another Venezuela.

 :ROFL:
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: andrewfi on August 13, 2023, 08:55:17 AM
Texan, if your carer is up to it, ask them to look at a historic comparison between the dollar, yuan and ruble.

The ask them to look at the volume of trade between the ruble and dollar.

I know what you'll see, but I don't feel like handfeeding  those who consistently fail to display a connection with reality. It's a path you'll need to tread for yourself.

You might find it helpful to understand the world about which you are fantasising.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Texan77 on August 13, 2023, 12:01:45 PM
It is just a sign Russia cannot afford to finance the war for much longer. Money is leaving Russia and the government is overspending to pay for the war. Give this another year and it will get interesting.

Russia is now telling conscripts they need to sign contracts or be placed at the most dangerous front-line positions for the last 6 weeks of their conscription. They have a bad manpower shortage and Putin does not feel he can mobilize more troops and still be political popular.  The fantasizing is those who thought Russia would win quickly and still think Ukraine has no chance of winning.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: mhr7 on August 13, 2023, 12:43:23 PM
It is just a sign Russia cannot afford to finance the war for much longer. Money is leaving Russia and the government is overspending to pay for the war. Give this another year and it will get interesting.

Russia is now telling conscripts they need to sign contracts or be placed at the most dangerous front-line positions for the last 6 weeks of their conscription. They have a bad manpower shortage and Putin does not feel he can mobilize more troops and still be political popular.  The fantasizing is those who thought Russia would win quickly and still think Ukraine has no chance of winning.

Putin's economic planning is going to sink Russia in the not-too-distant future.

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/publication/putins-created-economic-crisis-and-left-moscow-no-easy-way-out#:~:text=Western%20sanctions%20have%20left%20Russia,these%20traditional%20economic%20approaches%20unworkable.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: andrewfi on August 13, 2023, 03:31:11 PM
Texan, are you a visitor from a parallel universe?
A place where things semm similar but are rather different?

In this universe, it is illegal for Russian conscripts to be deployed outside of Russia unless the country is in a state of war - which it is not.

Please try to align your fantasies with the real world. You might be a visitor from an alternate universe, but now you are here, please try to engage with the current reality.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: andrewfi on August 13, 2023, 03:34:05 PM
mhr7, did you see that the article you linked to is approximately 7 years old - based on the date references within the piece?

Please, try to keep up. Or are you now a duffer in the same vein as texan77?
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Texan77 on August 13, 2023, 03:50:59 PM
Texan, are you a visitor from a parallel universe?
A place where things semm similar but are rather different?

In this universe, it is illegal for Russian conscripts to be deployed outside of Russia unless the country is in a state of war - which it is not.

Please try to align your fantasies with the real world. You might be a visitor from an alternate universe, but now you are here, please try to engage with the current reality.

Yes, but Russia annex some of Ukraine so they could deploy conscripts there as this is now Russian territory. Lot of conscripts in Russian annexed Ukraine regions "defending mother Russia." You see they are deployed in Russia according to the Russian constitution though the west sees this as Ukraine.  Please try to stay up to date with the current reality.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: mhr7 on August 13, 2023, 04:58:52 PM
mhr7, did you see that the article you linked to is approximately 7 years old - based on the date references within the piece?

Please, try to keep up. Or are you now a duffer in the same vein as texan77?

My bad.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: AJ on August 13, 2023, 06:50:56 PM
Texan, are you a visitor from a parallel universe?
A place where things semm similar but are rather different?

In this universe, it is illegal for Russian conscripts to be deployed outside of Russia unless the country is in a state of war - which it is not.

Please try to align your fantasies with the real world. You might be a visitor from an alternate universe, but now you are here, please try to engage with the current reality.

And you remain playing games with words ,just like politicians .
The RF denied little geen men or wagner in donbass in 14.
Yet now gives medals and family compensation  to those that fell there the prior 8 years.
They deny funding wagner,then say the RF funded it.
They use it in ukraine as a PMC then,when it turns on them deny any culpability to its actions either way .
They gave Prigozhin the ability to execute contracts that would pr8vife pardon  for prisoners of state civil crimes .
You and putin can jump thru your legal shanningans with verbage  but thecresukt remains that mobilized /conscripts have been deployed  and remain dying on ukrainian territorial.soil.
Someone forced to sign a *contract* under duress is something you can debate with the universe.
I may or may not  bother to watch.

Meanwhile  Russia continues to lose its young men, lose control.of a pmc thry heavily funded  that shoots down RF military aircraft,and has less sphere of influence in the black sea than anytime since 08/09.

Good thing they have energy exports,
Gawd save the Czar.

Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: AJ on August 13, 2023, 06:59:57 PM

It is just a sign Russia cannot afford to finance the war for much longer. Money is leaving Russia and the government is overspending to pay for the war. Give this another year and it will get interesting.

Russia is now telling conscripts they need to sign contracts or be placed at the most dangerous front-line positions for the last 6 weeks of their conscription. They have a bad manpower shortage and Putin does not feel he can mobilize more troops and still be political popular.  The fantasizing is those who thought Russia would win quickly and still think Ukraine has no chance of winning.



The ruble fluctuation wont drastically effect russians.
Why would it?
Internal produce will remain static in pricing.
Import product pricing  might go up.
That will eventually increase local goods consumption and increase business oppurtunities within the country

Exports would increase.

They arnt a caribee  island with little to export?

They export far  far far more value  than they import.
You get the basics right?


While im.not saying its a great thing
for russia,it certainly isnt earth shattering news.

While id love them to pull.out of ukraine, a certainly dont see some forcasted economic collapse of russia as  a good thing.
Nor does it seem a realistic forecast
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Texan77 on August 13, 2023, 08:00:57 PM
Russia buys a lot of its parts to build its war machine and for its factories to build consumer goods abroad. It affects how much they can buy. Meanwhile they still import a lot of consumer goods from China. This causes inflation which is thought to be at 60 per cent per year not the government claimed rate of 4 per cent. There is a shortage of young men in Russia to do various jobs. They are likely to demand more rubles and get it. Soldiers get pay that is higher than average and they expect to be able to buy more with it. When they can't then they are unhappy. Russia is claiming its economy is expanding and all it well. Then why is its currency dropping so hard? Venezuela inflation rate is 450 per cent. Does it matter? Russia will have a lot of new retirees every year now. It will have a lot of war injured people that will need government assistance. Expenses go up while revenue declines. Yes, it is still selling its oil but for less money and is it selling quite a lot less refined products from oil. Russia is selling quite a bit less gas. Its military budget has tripled. Does it matter? Notice that the decrease in value of the ruble and the believed real inflation rate seems to be running about the same. Russia is not an island where the value of its currency does not matter.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Manny on August 14, 2023, 06:43:55 AM
inflation which is thought to be at 60 per cent per year not the government claimed rate of 4 per cent.

You'd think Russians would notice a 60% inflation rate, no?  :pointlaugh:
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: andrewfi on August 14, 2023, 12:09:52 PM
AJ, before you get too busy bashing your keyboard, ask a family member who is not dyslexic to help you understand what you're reading.

Then, when you're posting, try using a dictation tool, there are many available. Someone within your business probably has a licence for Microsoft Office, their speech to text tool is pretty good. It can even manage periods (fullstops) and paragraphs.

When you've done that and your ire is reduced, how about pointing out to everyone, and embarrassing me in the process, how my post was factually incorrect.

If you can't find factual fault with my post (and you will not) grow a pair of balls and start apologising for your intemperate, ill mannered and inaccurate post.

Pull on your big boy pants, and show us that you are better than you are demonstrating here.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Contrarian on August 18, 2023, 11:01:47 AM
https://www.rt.com/russia/579897-europes-black-hole-ukraine/
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Manny on August 20, 2023, 01:55:15 PM
Good article (after I had fired up my VPN to read it).

RT is often very accurate and has well-researched articles. Why they are so keen to block it here.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: rosco on August 20, 2023, 02:01:45 PM
https://www.rt.com/russia/579897-europes-black-hole-ukraine/

Cant open it in the democratic, free speech utopia of the UK.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Jonas! on September 15, 2023, 10:14:45 PM
Our aggressive hostile sanctions are REALLY coming back to bite us.  The other nations are developing their own industries and bypassing us more and more.   Dedollarization is continuing, you can new stories practically every day about deals between nations that used to use the dollar and are now bypassing it.  I don't think there is any real way to stop it now barring a big war.  As the playing field levels, we are getting outcompeted more and more. 

Jonas!   
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Jonas! on October 01, 2023, 03:51:11 PM
Here is an economist that makes sense.   He talks about how the nations of the world are accelerating their ditching of the dollar.   Although a couple years ago people were still poopooing the idea that the dollar would be losing status rapidly, that seems to be the case now and many people are no longer disputing it.  Weaponizing the dollar was a serious miscalculation same as sanctions have been.   It seems that the 70 years party is coming to a close...for my own benefit I wish it would last another 10. 
A year or year and half ago good old Andrewfi mentioned all the dollars repatriating back home would cause inflation, perhaps that is already starting.  I see gas is up to $7.29 a gallon today at some local stations.  Even my economy station is up to $5.79 a gallon.   

   (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb0aWUCLZlM) [/url]
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Texan77 on October 02, 2023, 11:13:40 AM
Here is an economist that makes sense.   He talks about how the nations of the world are accelerating their ditching of the dollar.   Although a couple years ago people were still poopooing the idea that the dollar would be losing status rapidly, that seems to be the case now and many people are no longer disputing it.  Weaponizing the dollar was a serious miscalculation same as sanctions have been.   It seems that the 70 years party is coming to a close...for my own benefit I wish it would last another 10. 
A year or year and half ago good old Andrewfi mentioned all the dollars repatriating back home would cause inflation, perhaps that is already starting.  I see gas is up to $7.29 a gallon today at some local stations.  Even my economy station is up to $5.79 a gallon.   

   (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb0aWUCLZlM) [/url]

Gas here $3.08 maybe you should move to texas.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Jonas! on October 03, 2023, 04:48:40 PM
Here is an economist that makes sense.   He talks about how the nations of the world are accelerating their ditching of the dollar.   Although a couple years ago people were still poopooing the idea that the dollar would be losing status rapidly, that seems to be the case now and many people are no longer disputing it.  Weaponizing the dollar was a serious miscalculation same as sanctions have been.   It seems that the 70 years party is coming to a close...for my own benefit I wish it would last another 10. 
A year or year and half ago good old Andrewfi mentioned all the dollars repatriating back home would cause inflation, perhaps that is already starting.  I see gas is up to $7.29 a gallon today at some local stations.  Even my economy station is up to $5.79 a gallon.   

   (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb0aWUCLZlM) [/url]

Gas here $3.08 maybe you should move to texas.
I sense real danger with our precarious economic position at the moment.  Seems things are soon to take a turn for the worse.  How is our government going to keep the 33.15 trillion dollar debt under control when interest rates keep rising like they are?  I don't think the previous models (That were already grim) have taken into account a rise like this in interest rates.  Interest on debt wasn't insignificant at 1-2% but now it is near 5%, and no telling where it stops.  How do we fund ourselves, let alone try to pump 100-200 billion into Ukraine?  I wonder if part of Russia's plan was to mire us in Ukraine and bleed us dry.   How have we been suckered into paying for Ukrainian pensions and salaries? 

Jonas!   
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: mhr7 on October 03, 2023, 05:53:04 PM
Here is an economist that makes sense.   He talks about how the nations of the world are accelerating their ditching of the dollar.   Although a couple years ago people were still poopooing the idea that the dollar would be losing status rapidly, that seems to be the case now and many people are no longer disputing it.  Weaponizing the dollar was a serious miscalculation same as sanctions have been.   It seems that the 70 years party is coming to a close...for my own benefit I wish it would last another 10. 
A year or year and half ago good old Andrewfi mentioned all the dollars repatriating back home would cause inflation, perhaps that is already starting.  I see gas is up to $7.29 a gallon today at some local stations.  Even my economy station is up to $5.79 a gallon.   

   (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb0aWUCLZlM) [/url]

Gas here $3.08 maybe you should move to texas.
I sense real danger with our precarious economic position at the moment.  Seems things are soon to take a turn for the worse.  How is our government going to keep the 33.15 trillion dollar debt under control when interest rates keep rising like they are?  I don't think the previous models (That were already grim) have taken into account a rise like this in interest rates.  Interest on debt wasn't insignificant at 1-2% but now it is near 5%, and no telling where it stops.  How do we fund ourselves, let alone try to pump 100-200 billion into Ukraine?  I wonder if part of Russia's plan was to mire us in Ukraine and bleed us dry.   How have we been suckered into paying for Ukrainian pensions and salaries? 

Jonas!   

We haven't been suckered in it's part of the aid to Ukraine to pay the salaries of police, fire and other necessary workers. I don't think it makes up a huge amount. Ukraine's money has gone into the war. I support it but I have a strong interest in Ukraine.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Jonas! on October 03, 2023, 08:21:39 PM
Here is an economist that makes sense.   He talks about how the nations of the world are accelerating their ditching of the dollar.   Although a couple years ago people were still poopooing the idea that the dollar would be losing status rapidly, that seems to be the case now and many people are no longer disputing it.  Weaponizing the dollar was a serious miscalculation same as sanctions have been.   It seems that the 70 years party is coming to a close...for my own benefit I wish it would last another 10. 
A year or year and half ago good old Andrewfi mentioned all the dollars repatriating back home would cause inflation, perhaps that is already starting.  I see gas is up to $7.29 a gallon today at some local stations.  Even my economy station is up to $5.79 a gallon.   

   (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb0aWUCLZlM) [/url]

Gas here $3.08 maybe you should move to texas.
I sense real danger with our precarious economic position at the moment.  Seems things are soon to take a turn for the worse.  How is our government going to keep the 33.15 trillion dollar debt under control when interest rates keep rising like they are?  I don't think the previous models (That were already grim) have taken into account a rise like this in interest rates.  Interest on debt wasn't insignificant at 1-2% but now it is near 5%, and no telling where it stops.  How do we fund ourselves, let alone try to pump 100-200 billion into Ukraine?  I wonder if part of Russia's plan was to mire us in Ukraine and bleed us dry.   How have we been suckered into paying for Ukrainian pensions and salaries? 

Jonas!   

We haven't been suckered in it's part of the aid to Ukraine to pay the salaries of police, fire and other necessary workers. I don't think it makes up a huge amount. Ukraine's money has gone into the war. I support it but I have a strong interest in Ukraine.
As the war continues over the next few years, I think the Western nations (Especially the US) are going to wind up regretting forcing Russia's hand like this.  I've always felt that Russia would go 'all in' in the case of Ukraine and they are showing all signs that they indeed will   Now we have massive inflation, nations dumping the dollar at a highly accelerated rate, many nations giving strong hints they are siding against us, BRICS nations doubling in their numbers.    We went too far this time and picked the wrong battle.  Meanwhile China has continued to eat away at US market share everywhere.  If we were going to borrow 100-200 billion for something it should have been something here at home.    Paying the salary of Ukraine's workforce is an outrage (To me), especially considering what poor financial shape we are in.   I think China suspects we are going to eventually default on a lot of our debts as they continue to pull money out of our system as their bonds mature. Trying to weaponize the dollar is making a lot of nations look elsewhere.

Jonas! 
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Jonas! on October 03, 2023, 09:03:14 PM


   Seems things are soon to take a turn for the worse.  How is our government going to keep the 33.15 trillion dollar debt under control when interest rates keep rising like they are? 

Well earlier today it was 33.15 trillion.   A few hours later it has miraculously rocketed up another 300 billion so according to the debt clock it is now around 33.45 trillion. 

Jonas!   
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Contrarian on October 03, 2023, 10:35:58 PM
Yellen admits that sanctions have backfired and that there will be a gradual decline of the US dollar as the reserve currency.

Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Jonas! on October 04, 2023, 06:44:45 PM


   Seems things are soon to take a turn for the worse.  How is our government going to keep the 33.15 trillion dollar debt under control when interest rates keep rising like they are? 

Well earlier today it was 33.15 trillion.   A few hours later it has miraculously rocketed up another 300 billion so according to the debt clock it is now around 33.45 trillion. 

Jonas!
I'm not entirely sure what is going on, but suddenly the debt clock shows an additional 30 billion today.  so now debt at 33.475 trillion today.   

Yellen admits that sanctions have backfired and that there will be a gradual decline of the US dollar as the reserve currency.

Dedollarization may be gradual, but it seems to be snowballing.   Oddly the dollar is very strong right now against many currencies. 

Jonas! 

Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: andrewfi on October 04, 2023, 10:39:59 PM
I have written in the past how during the process of dedollarisation the price of dollars would increase as well as decrease along the way. The price of dollars is driven by short term as well as longer term market forces.

It is correct to understand that a slow process of divestiture is optimal. This process has been underway for some 2 decades already. The United States has forced an inflection point with its chaotic foreign policy. Its not the first time it happened.

Also, as dollars are exchanged for dollar denominated assets, expect more instances of pushback against such purchases (real estate, businesses, artworks) in the USA.

Interestingly, the first casualty of recent events seems to be the Euro whose share in international trade has declined by about 30% in the past year.

Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Jonas! on October 05, 2023, 07:30:54 AM
Also, as dollars are exchanged for dollar denominated assets, expect more instances of pushback against such purchases (real estate, businesses, artworks) in the USA.
Can you explain this a little more please? Pushback from whom? 


Personally as my CD's are about to mature in November, I'm leaning towards 4-8 week T-bills.  The interest rate has crept up to over 5% and seems to be rising.   I don't like to feed into US debt, but I can't resist taking the risk free money.   I think a lot of people would go that route, rather than putting money into riskier stocks. 

Jonas! 



Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: andrewfi on October 05, 2023, 08:17:19 AM
Also, as dollars are exchanged for dollar denominated assets, expect more instances of pushback against such purchases (real estate, businesses, artworks) in the USA.
Can you explain this a little more please? Pushback from whom? 



USAians tend to get a bit mardy when 'foreigners' start owning too much of the preciouses that are by right USAian. It has happened before with Saudi Arabians, Chinese and Japanese when it was, for various reasons inexpensive for them to buy US assets in a fairly visible manner - the reason I gave examples of the asset classes that gained attention in the past.

Many countries have significant holdings of dollar denominated financial assets. If they wish to divest some of them, a natural part of their dedollarisation process they will want to acquire 'real' assets in exchange for the financial asset that they expect to lose value relative to their home currency or basket of currencies.

They have two main choices. First, to use their dollars to buy stuff from their friends, which lumbers the friends with dollars and is likely to set off a costly game of pass the parcel.
Second, they can go to the home of the dollar and buy businesses, real estate, artworks etc. That's the most efficient. No currency exchange premium or risk.

See, nobody is expecting that the USA will disappear from the face of the globe. The economy will, even after the dedollarisation process plays out, remain one of the largest in the world. The denizens will still be wealthy relative to most people in the world. The only real differences will be those that flow as a consequence of US wealth now being based upon US real wealth generation rather than rent seeking as happens now.

But USAians will get miffed when they see well-known businesses or buildings falling into the hands of the dirty foreigner. Windows will get broken, laws will be passed - just as happened though my lifetime.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: rosco on October 06, 2023, 02:34:08 AM
Here's an interesting clip with African leaders discussing the West with Putin. The bloke goes on to say that the West doesn't manufacture anything and only prints money. It's one of our weapons, the global monetary system controlled by the dollar and the euro. Sanctions being used against anyone who stands in the way and bank accounts raided at will.

He then says that this is not going to continue indefinitely and we need a new financial architecture not controlled by the west.

https://www.tiktok.com/@behind_the_news_ru/video/7286737602722499845?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7278657483995072032
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: rosco on October 07, 2023, 03:19:09 AM
According to the US national treasury department, US debt has grown by over $275 billion in a single day, spiralling out of control to $33.4 trillion. That single day debt is greater than Russia's entire national debt and almost as big as their annual budget.

I can see a collapse looming and I'm more than concerned as to what that will mean for the average world citizen. If you guys fall then we'll likely fall too but also, global stability. The US won't collapse peacefully. 

Interestingly TikTok labeled this video as sensitive content.

https://www.tiktok.com/@top.best/video/7287044444287749381?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7268972199947126304
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: AvHdB on October 07, 2023, 05:49:05 PM
According to the US national treasury department, US debt has grown by over $275 billion in a single day, spiralling out of control to $33.4 trillion. That single day debt is greater than Russia's entire national debt and almost as big as their annual budget.

I can see a collapse looming and I'm more than concerned as to what that will mean for the average world citizen. If you guys fall then we'll likely fall too but also, global stability. The US won't collapse peacefully. 

Interestingly[TikTok labeled this video as sensitive content.

https://www.tiktok.com/@top.best/video/7287044444287749381?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7268972199947126304

As has been noted before the value of the dollar has declined. While this started in the end of the last century. In this century depending on the staff you measure the dollar against this decline has been anywhere 1 to 0.5% per year. One year no biggie over 20+ years it is anywhere from 20 to 30%. Will the dollar end in a cataclysmic fashion? I doubt it, that would be fugly. But to paraphrase T. S. Eliot

This is the way the world dollar ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.


My apologies Tom.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Jonas! on October 07, 2023, 06:04:00 PM
According to the US national treasury department, US debt has grown by over $275 billion in a single day, spiralling out of control to $33.4 trillion. That single day debt is greater than Russia's entire national debt and almost as big as their annual budget.
 
33.5 trillion now    Today it randomly spiked up another 25 billion.    I read that Biden is trying for another huge Ukrainian package of 100 billion or more.

Jonas!   
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Jonas! on October 07, 2023, 08:48:40 PM
Also, as dollars are exchanged for dollar denominated assets, expect more instances of pushback against such purchases (real estate, businesses, artworks) in the USA.
Can you explain this a little more please? Pushback from whom? 



USAians tend to get a bit mardy when 'foreigners' start owning too much of the preciouses that are by right USAian. It has happened before with Saudi Arabians, Chinese and Japanese when it was, for various reasons inexpensive for them to buy US assets in a fairly visible manner - the reason I gave examples of the asset classes that gained attention in the past.

 
But USAians will get miffed when they see well-known businesses or buildings falling into the hands of the dirty foreigner. Windows will get broken, laws will be passed - just as happened though my lifetime.
Thanks for elaborating.  I had never heard the word "Mardy" before.  Maybe that is used a lot in England.  Very true though, lots of complaints about the Chinese owning this or that. 

Jonas! 
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Texan77 on October 08, 2023, 03:32:41 PM
Both the Chinese and the Russian currency will decline faster than the dollar which is a trend that has been in place for a long time and set to continue at even a faster pace in the future.   
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: AvHdB on October 08, 2023, 03:49:45 PM
Both the Chinese and the Russian currency will decline faster than the dollar which is a trend that has been in place for a long time and set to continue at even a faster pace in the future.

Can you provide any links for this assumption?
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Wiz on October 09, 2023, 11:40:10 AM
Both the Chinese and the Russian currency will decline faster than the dollar which is a trend that has been in place for a long time and set to continue at even a faster pace in the future.

Can you provide any links for this assumption?

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Title: Dedollarization
Post by: Contrarian on October 10, 2023, 12:17:16 AM
Creating Money Out of Thin Air

That is actually how the banking system really works. And it has a certain schizophrenia to it, because the way they audit money shows money both in a bank and being lent out, IIRC. Someone more astute such as Andy is welcome to correct me.

While scanning an alternative information site which I like, I happened upon an interview with an author. I then looked at some of his other books on Amazon, and came upon this interesting case.

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"In his summation of the case, Justice Mahoney reported that… “Plaintiff (the bank) admitted that it, in combination with the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, did create the entire $14,000.00 in money and credit upon its own books by bookkeeping entry. That this was the consideration used to support the Note dated May 8, 1964 and the Mortgage of the same date. The money and credit first came into existence when they created it. Morgan admitted that no United States Law or Statute existed which gave him the right to do this. A lawful ‘consideration’ must exist and be tendered to support the Note.”

So, the court duly rejected the bank’s claim for foreclosure and the defendant kept his house. The implications of this case therefore, should have been far-reaching. If bankers are indeed extending credit without consideration (which they most definitely are) i.e. without backing their loans with real money they actually have stored in their vaults and were entitled to lend, any judicial decision declaring their loans void, would topple the entire worldwide financial and banking system."


https://www.amazon.com/Behind-Curtain-Chilling-Banking-Industry/dp/1910757225/ref=d_sims_dp_d_dex_ai_speed_loc_sccl_2_4/134-4582645-2139146?pd_rd_w=AYbNd&content-id=amzn1.sym.7f484206-e266-4776-8848-e97c1668cc3b&pf_rd_p=7f484206-e266-4776-8848-e97c1668cc3b&pf_rd_r=XRWHY8M0EVZX0FDPQ0CZ&pd_rd_wg=69aRF&pd_rd_r=d2a9f739-aa9f-4696-921f-42033bc2b6bc&pd_rd_i=1910757225&psc=1


This is the interview on the site www.jermware.com/


https://jermwarfare.com/conversations/john-hamer-falsifying-history

Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Texan77 on October 10, 2023, 08:48:29 AM
All the problems the USA has China has an even worse problem. Retirement, debt, spending vs income. Note graph the Chinese currency losing value over the last ten years and now setting new lows against the dollar.


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Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: AvHdB on October 10, 2023, 09:32:27 AM
All the problems the USA has China has an even worse problem. Retirement, debt, spending vs income. Note graph the Chinese currency losing value over the last ten years and now setting new lows against the dollar.

If one looks over 10 years the decline is 16%. Factoring inflation, government spending and changing patterns of spending than this decline is not so significant. There are other factors but I do not care to sound like Andrew! If one looks at the same data over a year the decline is less than 2 1/2 percent. I used XE for the numbers.

What is a far greater problem is the aging work force both in China and The USA.This same problem is evident in Western Europe. If the president wants to make fishing great, fine, but I would focus on making focking  :censored: ing great again.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: rosco on October 11, 2023, 04:54:38 AM
All the problems the USA has China has an even worse problem. Retirement, debt, spending vs income. Note graph the Chinese currency losing value over the last ten years and now setting new lows against the dollar.


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A weaker currency against the US dollar doesn't equal doom and gloom. Currency devaluations can be used by countries to achieve economic policy. Having a weaker currency relative to the rest of the world can help boost exports, shrink trade deficits and reduce the cost of interest payments on outstanding government debts.

The world doesnt always work how you think it does Tex.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: andrewfi on October 11, 2023, 07:43:46 AM
People do not understand that currency pricing is not a race.
In macroeconomic terms, the current price of the US Dollar against other major currencies is probably too high.

A lower priced renminbi against the dollar is advantageous for most Chinese economic activity.

It is usually instructive to look at other currency pairings before making comprehension free statements of the type made by the likes of Texan77.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Texan77 on October 12, 2023, 06:56:25 AM
You guys keep talking about the dollar is going to zero and without looking at what is really happening. China has currency controls against its wealthy. You can never have a world reserve currency that has currency controls to keep the currency value as it would be much lower if there were no controls. It is not all doom and gloom for the dollar neither with China going to the moon. China has serious problems that most people here want to overlook. All the long-term problems the USA has China has an even worse problem and the value of its currency shows that. Not that China is going to go away but the big growth in China is over if it is possible to get any real numbers out of the country.

It is just you guys talk about dollars returning home depressing the dollar when that problem is not as large as China's problems. Because of currency controls the Chinese people do not buy nearly as much in the USA and the rest of the world as they used to buy and are only able to buy what the Chinese government will let them buy. For an example a Chinese company may be able to buy farmland because the government of China wants to have indirect control over that land and get farmed products sent to China. So, the USA concern is will we have a shortage of farm products in the USA.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: andrewfi on October 12, 2023, 10:57:48 AM
Texan, you're clearly not reading the words in front of you. Nobody  apart from similalry uninformed people to yourself, that Ihave read here or anywhere else has suggested that the US dollar's value will fall to zero.

If you want your posts to be read and your opinions to have any value, try to get at least some of the facts straight.

I have i the past provided reading lists to help the uninformed to become better able to join the discource of other people. Do a search. Learn about the prices of currency and the benefits of a currency being higher in relatio to another - and the drawbacks.

You're writing piffle because your level of knowledge is so low.
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Texan77 on October 30, 2023, 09:05:44 PM
The USA federal reserve is raising interest rates and reducing the money supply. This is like to cause deflation or increase in dollar value. The trouble is this will likely be a very bad recession and is really a mistake the federal reserve is making. This video is Cathy Woods. She runs a very large investment group.


Also reading big problems ahead for the auto market in the USA. Bank loans on cars are likely to have problems as car values expected to decline as car sales have slowed down already. Car inventory is increasing on dealers' lots. Real estate market over extended and likely to have future problems. I bet the same thing getting ready to happen in Europe and UK. 
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Contrarian on November 22, 2023, 06:48:51 PM
This article is blunt and very scary.

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"The government collects $2.6 trillion of individual taxes at the point of a gun and threat of prison. Meanwhile they still operate at an annual deficit of $2 trillion. And this is before interest on the national debt starts to really skyrocket. Our Troll Secretary of the Treasury Yellen had the opportunity to lock in trillions of our national debt for 30 years at 2% rates, but purposely kept rolling it on a short-term basis."


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/quinn-crash-will-be-spectacular
Title: Re: Dedollarization.
Post by: Contrarian on January 04, 2024, 10:27:44 AM
Video starts at 2:30