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Title: Huawei
Post by: Omega1982 on January 20, 2020, 08:50:15 PM
Interesting to see in the news today the development of the trial of the Huawei executive.  And some people still think this is the land of the free.  The BBC said it was a political move. 
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: BillyB on January 20, 2020, 10:52:47 PM
There are 5 million Chinese living in America. There are many more here temporarily on work, student, or tourist visas. It is very possible that one Chinese out of millions have violated the sanctions on Iran and the rest are living free without worry of getting arrested.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: andrewfi on January 21, 2020, 09:07:00 AM
It is interesting. Worth noting that the U.S is now changing the basis of the charges against her because it is clear that the original charges could not be supported under Canadian law. Under Canadian law, extradition to a 3rd country can only occur if the crime charged is a crime in Canada and that was not the case here.

Now, of course, if that's so, how legitimate can it be that she has been held for months and can only now be extradited under new charges because she was imprisoned under invalid charges?
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: BillyB on January 21, 2020, 09:46:45 AM
she was imprisoned


Her jail cell is in a photo in the link below. She's probably living in  better conditions than most guys on the forum.

https://www.npr.org/2020/01/20/797804152/extradition-trial-for-huawei-executive-facing-u-s-fraud-charges-begins-in-vancou

Worth noting that the U.S is now changing the basis of the charges against her because it is clear that the original charges could not be supported under Canadian law. Under Canadian law, extradition to a 3rd country can only occur if the crime charged is a crime in Canada and that was not the case here.


The US is not changing the basis of the charges and the woman was never imprisoned on invalid charges. The US always knew the rules in Canada for extradition. Forget about what the media and the woman's attorney is saying. The woman's attorney is trying to get the public to feel sorry for her. Almost 11 months ago the Canadian government put out a statement that says they are allowing the extradition case to proceed after reviewing all the evidence. The also state a fact "Under the Extradition Act and the Treaty, Canada must review the alleged conduct and determine whether it could have resulted in a jail sentence of 1 year of more if it had taken place in Canada. The conduct for which extradition is sought must also be considered criminal in both the United States of America and in Canada. This is known as “dual criminality”. In other words, the process to detain the woman and extradite her is and was always following the rules of Canadian law.

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-justice/news/2019/03/extradition-relevant-to-the-case-of-ms-meng-wanzhou.html

Since this started, China arrested two Canadians for espionage and one for drug smuggling. The one for drug smuggling is getting a death sentence. Too bad Canada doesn't have a leader as tough as Trump.



Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: Contrarian on January 21, 2020, 11:41:25 AM
I think the Chinese will say the hell with you and pull their money out of the United States. That's the end of our wars.
Gore Vidal
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: Markje on January 21, 2020, 02:54:44 PM
im sure jack ma is rushing to go to canada/usa now.

and considering the amount of money huawei has political pressure is sure to rise
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: andrewfi on January 22, 2020, 11:09:44 AM
The conditions of imprisonment do not alter the fact of the imprisonment. That's something that I am surprised that you do not understand.

The Canadian government must follow its procedures. That means the case will be examined as it must be. I think, Billy, that you are getting confused. The fact of a court case does not coincide with the inevitability of the outcome or the quality of the case itself. Yes, that may be a surprise to those living in the USA where the foregoing is often not true, but in the civilised world, it is still largely the case.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: AvHdB on February 16, 2020, 07:57:01 AM
Since we have posters who seem to enjoy conspiracy thoughts, here is an interesting article that seems pretty well grounded on reality.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-security/cia-crypto-encryption-machines-espionage/

I hear the complaints already,The Washington Post, but still an interesting read. Especially when confronted with the noise around Huawei.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: AvHdB on February 16, 2020, 08:25:49 AM
With my dyslexic brain, I wanted to point out, but forgot, there are factual errors and perhaps one could say omissions in the Washington Post article.

You Tube is more entertaining than a barrel of whales, grey fallen soldiers and doodles.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: Contrarian on February 16, 2020, 10:21:07 AM
Since we have posters who seem to enjoy conspiracy thoughts, here is an interesting article that seems pretty well grounded on reality.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-security/cia-crypto-encryption-machines-espionage/

I hear the complaints already,The Washington Post, but still an interesting read. Especially when confronted with the noise around Huawei.


The operation first known as Thesaurus and then Rubicon....hmmm sounds interesting.

Quote

But what none of its customers ever knew was that Crypto AG was secretly owned by the CIA in a highly classified partnership with West German intelligence. These spy agencies rigged the company’s devices so they could easily break the codes that countries used to send encrypted messages.
Title: Huawei
Post by: 2tallbill on February 16, 2020, 10:33:02 AM
Moby hasn't posted 59 times? What happened?
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: cufflinks on February 16, 2020, 12:26:22 PM
No to Huawei...

Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: cufflinks on February 16, 2020, 12:44:28 PM
CLAWS OF THE RED DRAGON

https://www.clawsofthereddragon.com/

Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: msmoby on February 16, 2020, 02:13:48 PM
Moby hasn't posted 59 times? What happened?


I used a Huawei router, may be?

Seriously, though...Most of us are connecting to post using Chinese kit.

If you are an Apple fan...Your kit is made for Apple in China...

Google spy on you far more...they know FAR more about you than the Chinese.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: andrewfi on February 16, 2020, 03:26:56 PM
Interesting that this story should come up again. This is not in any sense 'news'.
Interesting link: https://www.google.ee/search?tbm=bks&hl=en&q=cia+swiss+crypto+AG

I am hardly an expert on intelligence matters but even I was aware of this many years ago. Bringing this matter up now seems to be related to Huawei and the undemonstrated and unproven claims made by the USA against the company. I doubt that the story was placed by either the Chinese government or Huawei so it is likely somebody in a position of power with an axe to grind. Given the current source is the Washington Post whose owner has something of a thing against the CIA right now, notwithstanding his previous cosy relationship, I'd not be too surprised to learn that he was the source.

Oh, yeah, that'd be Jeff Bezos.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: Manny on February 16, 2020, 07:21:59 PM
Most of us are connecting to post using Chinese kit.

If you are an Apple fan...Your kit is made for Apple in China...

Google spy on you far more...they know FAR more about you than the Chinese.

I agree with this.

Concerns about Huawei are often misplaced.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: NS1 on February 17, 2020, 07:32:12 AM
Canadian Military Asked federal Gov. to not give Huawei
access to Canada's new 5g network this week?

Not sure if its BS or a real story.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: andrewfi on February 17, 2020, 08:08:58 AM
I am sure it is real. The U.S has been doing its best to strongarm its 'allies' into rejecting Huawei.

How do we know that the 'concerns' of the U.S are political and not real?
If their concerns were real then they'd have no problem persuading allies such as the UK to reject Huawei. We haven't - not even with threats of various sanctions.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: cufflinks on February 17, 2020, 11:45:42 AM
Nigel Farage has warned that Boris Johnson’s decision to allow Chinese tech firm Huawei to assist in the development of the UK’s 5G network “imperils” intelligence sharing and could threaten a future trade deal with the U.S

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/02/14/farage-boris-huawei-decision-imperils-intelligence-sharing-trade-deal/

Simple choice really stay in the Five Eyes Intel network or join the CCP in their Belt and Road China 2025 5G Huawei Plan to control the world... 5G and 6G are much more than the next Gen of smart phones and facial surveillance...  Go ahead and join Huawei 5G and become the CCPs butt boys while we send BAE, BP and all the other British Crown Communist Corps back to Wuhan China.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: Manny on February 17, 2020, 04:17:52 PM
Nigel Farage has warned that Boris Johnson’s decision to allow Chinese tech firm Huawei to assist in the development of the UK’s 5G network “imperils” intelligence sharing and could threaten a future trade deal with the U.S

For all the good he’s done, he remains Trump’s bitch. He needs a retirement plan and Trump is it.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: Manny on February 17, 2020, 04:18:51 PM
I am sure it is real. The U.S has been doing its best to strongarm its 'allies' into rejecting Huawei.

How do we know that the 'concerns' of the U.S are political and not real?

If their concerns were real then they'd have no problem persuading allies such as the UK to reject Huawei.

We haven't - not even with threats of various sanctions.

This.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: Contrarian on February 17, 2020, 06:15:04 PM
5G is very dangerous to animal and human life. It could literally be used for mass population control. Of course the Chinese want to build such a thing in the West!
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: Contrarian on February 17, 2020, 07:17:37 PM
5G is very dangerous to animal and human life. It could literally be used for mass population control. Of course the Chinese want to build such a thing in the West!

“Friends and acquaintances and their children in Vienna are already reporting the classic symptoms of EMR poisoning:[9] nosebleeds, headaches, eye pains, chest pains, nausea, fatigue, vomiting, tinnitus, dizziness, flu-like symptoms, and cardiac pain. They also report a tight band around the head; pressure on the top of the head; short, stabbing pains around the body; and buzzing internal organs. Other biological effects such as tumours and dementia usually take longer to manifest, but in the case of 5G, which has never been tested for health or safety, who knows?[10]”


https://www.globalresearch.ca/5g-wireless-technology-is-war-against-humanity/5679372


Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: Contrarian on February 17, 2020, 07:56:10 PM
Harvard scientist connected to Wuhan. Oh and he’s also an elite Choo. He was getting 50K a month from China.


https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2020/02/01/an-american-chemist-is-suspected-of-illegal-dealings-with-china
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: Contrarian on February 17, 2020, 08:00:20 PM
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/reuters/harvard-and-yale-universities-investigated-for-possible-non-disclosure-of-foreign-money/45555900


He thought himself above the law....


https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/01/28/massachusetts-china-indictments-charles-lieber-yanqing-ye-zaosong-zheng/
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: Texan77 on February 17, 2020, 08:41:56 PM
5G is very dangerous to animal and human life. It could literally be used for mass population control. Of course the Chinese want to build such a thing in the West!

Yea try selling USA made 5G stuff in China and see what happens. Remember Huawei is not a private business it is a Chinese government own business. It will be hard for us to have a close military relationship with any body using Huawei 5G systems. Why not buy something made from South Korea, Germany, Japan, or other pro western country? 5G will be able to give up huge amounts of personal information and movements on nearly every person in the country including military personal, and government officials. I truly doubt if Russia wants to used it.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: cufflinks on February 17, 2020, 10:02:42 PM
The truth about the CCP, Huawei, 5G, asymmetric cyber war and world domination...

Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: Manny on February 18, 2020, 12:38:15 AM
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/reuters/harvard-and-yale-universities-investigated-for-possible-non-disclosure-of-foreign-money/45555900


He thought himself above the law....


https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/01/28/massachusetts-china-indictments-charles-lieber-yanqing-ye-zaosong-zheng/

So over the pond you must declare any relationship with China? It is unclear what the prof actually did wrong, if anything.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: Markje on February 18, 2020, 12:45:10 AM
I am sure it is real. The U.S has been doing its best to strongarm its 'allies' into rejecting Huawei.

How do we know that the 'concerns' of the U.S are political and not real?

If their concerns were real then they'd have no problem persuading allies such as the UK to reject Huawei.

We haven't - not even with threats of various sanctions.

This.

https://news.slashdot.org/story/20/02/18/0033250/us-mulls-cutting-huawei-off-from-global-chip-suppliers

If this plan continues, it will alienate the rest of the world from the USA even more. People think they have sovereignty in their own countries and no other country is going to tell them whom to sell their own goods to.

It will only succeed in making american businesses weaker compared to their competitors in Europe/China/Taiwan.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: Markje on February 18, 2020, 12:50:36 AM
In fact, I already know a few businesses that will *not* hire americans in netherlands because of the hassle with american taxes.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: andrewfi on February 18, 2020, 01:42:45 AM
Whether or not Huawei survives this war being conducted upon it, the United States is going to lose.

The pattern of self enforced isolation which was, a few years ago, fact based speculation on my part is now becoming clear. The United States is moving its self isolation policies outside of currency and now onto trade and technology.

A few years ago it was easy to pooh-pooh people like myself who were early to see the pattern. Now it is becoming hard to ignore the obvious.

This is not a thing that happens overnight, but a process. There will be an inflection point though. After that point is reached change will be rapid. But, like peak oil - we won't know the inflection point has been reached until afterward.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: cufflinks on February 18, 2020, 07:24:57 AM
Just look and see the Tory grandees appointed to the board of Huawei UK...starting with Lord Brown, Dame Helen Alexander and Sir Andrew Cahn....(BP, CBI and UK Trade and Investment). Noses in trough come before UK National Security...  A comment by the Blue Lobstah on Breitbart...

Interesting that Oz sides with the USA while UK and EU communists side with their Beijing pay masters.
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/02/18/boris-row-trump-over-huawei-intensifies-australian-mps-cancel-uk-visit/


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Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: andrewfi on February 18, 2020, 08:36:59 AM
Cufflinks, you claim to be a business whizz and then you come out with unknowing rubbish like that!

Have a look at how the boards of British companies are set up and get back to us with what you learn.

Then for shits and giggles, why not tell us how these people were able to influence the British Prime Minister - avoid vague fantasies, demonstrate some links. There's a good chap!

And yes, it is quite normal, as in the United States to stuff the boards of businesses with those who might be useful. People with skills and connections. Businesses would be failing in their duty if they did not do so.

What can be seen is that some governments have succumbed to threats from the U.S president and his aides. For them, there's no 'loss' because they may well see themselves as being no worse off in security terms by going along with the U.S... This tends to strengthen the case that the attacks on Huawei are politically motivated because the British government, as with the Australians and others is no worse off secituty-wise by going along with these false claims.

It is beyond credibility that the Brtish government, or any other, would deliberately compromise national security interests just to be able to buy from the lowest bidder. In my view, anyone who suggests that to be the case is not thinking, probably can't think.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: cufflinks on February 18, 2020, 10:53:45 AM
Clearly your expat longing for your ancient Redcoats enforced empire  and vaunted airs of British Superiority has prevented you from learning from the China Strategy video I shared above.  Buying politicians is something the predatory Red Dragon has been doing for decades with million$ to Bill & Hillary's Crime Cartel and $1.5 Billion to the Quid Pro Joe and Hunter Crime family direct from the Bank of China with the Chinese Govt their partners. 

So surprised the British tabloids and investigative reporters have not disclosed both the UK liberals and conservatives paid "consulting fees" by HUAWEI ?????

This is in fact the CCP's SOP.


Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: Contrarian on February 18, 2020, 11:34:25 AM
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/reuters/harvard-and-yale-universities-investigated-for-possible-non-disclosure-of-foreign-money/45555900


He thought himself above the law....


https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/01/28/massachusetts-china-indictments-charles-lieber-yanqing-ye-zaosong-zheng/

So over the pond you must declare any relationship with China? It is unclear what the prof actually did wrong, if anything.

Yes it must be declared. He’s been getting paid 50K a month by a foreign government.

One of his assistants tried to smuggle some bio hazards out of the USA.

Quote

“The second indictment is a Chinese national who was working as a researcher at Boston University. Lelling said Yanqing Ye is a lieutenant of the Chinese military, but failed to disclose that while applying for a U.S. visa. Ye is currently in China and has not been arrested.

“A border search of her electronic devices showed that Ye had complied information for the People’s Liberation Army about two U.S. residents with expertise in robotics and computer science,” said Lelling.

Boston University said Ye left the school in April 2019 and they are fully cooperating with the investigation.

The third indictment is Chinese national Zaosong Zheng who was sponsored by Harvard and working as a researcher at Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center. He was allegedly caught at Logan Airport in December trying to smuggle biological material out of the country”.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: Manny on February 18, 2020, 01:59:55 PM
Yes but what “biological material”? A banana? Why don’t they say?

Sounds like the prof is a political fall guy.

And those Chinese, well you lot gave them visas.  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: cufflinks on February 18, 2020, 02:57:21 PM
Manny what your Beijing bros are glossing over is that BU aka Boston University is the site of the largest BSL4 biosafety defense research lab in the New England area which is swarming with thousands of main land China intellectual property espionage "Students" who all report their efforts to the CCP consulate continuously.

The Harvard professor had a $15 Million dollar classified research grant from The U.S. Government so at minimum was in violation of his NDA and non-compete agreement and at worst case is guilty of espionage and treason eligible for a military tribunal and firing squad.  So imagine one of your own double agent traitors and how you lot disposed of them...  Bloody aye sport take off you Red Chinese Communist rose colored glasses and get real unless you want to see blighty turned into one giant Chinese take away.... Well when the CCP absorbs the UK they know how to deal with all the Islamist terrorists you lot welcomed with milk and honey and biscuits and open arms.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: NS1 on February 18, 2020, 03:35:47 PM
A few folks here don't like the old US of A
But lets ask a simple question,
what if the fears are real.
that huawei 5g system can track and secure data
from back end. Would it not be prudent for any military
to not use this system?

I realize all of us are being tracked with everything we do.
But our secrets, whatever they might be, would be wise to keep secret?
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: andrewfi on February 18, 2020, 03:40:42 PM
Hardly a question of like or do not like.

But, NS1 you do rather answer your own question don't you.

Yes, the UK and other states would not want to have data tracked by ANY other government. We already know as does the UK and Germany that the USA already does that - and that's not going to change.

However, if the U.S. could demonstrate to the UK, Germany and others that Huawei was doing as is is being claimed then they'd not want to have another data sucking spy system.

If the U.S could make a convincing case they would do so and other countries would go along with the U.S in its war against Huawei.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: NS1 on February 18, 2020, 03:43:49 PM
Well the Aussies took it seriously
Canada is at least looking at it,
I suspect we don't and won't know all.
Sorta how the security world works.

But I suspect there is something to it, question is how much.
next question if not 100 % sure can we afford to take the risk?

I believe there is a lot more to this than us average folks will ever know or hear.
Be interesting to see where it goes. at end of day, we will use what we have access to.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: NS1 on February 18, 2020, 03:47:48 PM
Well the Aussies took it seriously
Canada is at least looking at it,
I suspect we don't and won't know all.
Sorta how the security world works.

But I suspect there is something to it, question is how much.
next question if not 100 % sure can we afford to take the risk?

I believe there is a lot more to this than us average folks will ever know or hear.
Be interesting to see where it goes. at end of day, we will use what we have access to.

Edit: As for who likes or doesn't like the US, has it not been said for years
most don't care for the yanks? But as long as they spend as much as they do,
they will control a certain part of the world economy. They were slowly sliding with China catching
them, but the last couple of years, that has retracted somewhat. yes?
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: BillyB on February 18, 2020, 07:15:43 PM
A few folks here don't like the old US of A
But lets ask a simple question,
what if the fears are real.
that huawei 5g system can track and secure data
from back end. Would it not be prudent for any military
to not use this system?


Our allies figure if the enemy knows their every move and is kicking their ass, America will come and rescue them. For now they want to save money and buy Chinese. They're willing to give up security for liberty. Fortunately I believe the UK government is smarter than some here and will not allow Huawei equipment to be used in the government, military, and intelligence level. Who cares if the Chinese learns who's having an affair among the average UK citizens? The Chinese scammers can threaten to rat those people out unless paid big bucks.
Title: What You Have Been Missing!
Post by: Contrarian on February 22, 2020, 05:28:03 PM
Danger Will Rogers, Danger!

Weiner is an employee and advisor to the FDA, is considered a DNA technology expert and pioneered a new DNA transference method called electroporation – a microbiology technique which uses an electrical pulse to create temporary pores in cell membranes through which substances like chemicals, drugs or DNA can be introduced into the cell. This technique can be used to administer DNA vaccines, which inject foreign DNA into a host’s cells that changes the host’s DNA. This means if you take a DNA vaccine, you are allowing your DNA to be changed!


https://thefreedomarticles.com/coronavirus-5g-connection-coverup-vaccines-transhumanism/?owa_medium=feed&owa_sid=
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: msmoby on February 23, 2020, 12:02:03 AM
Hardly a question of like or do not like.

But, NS1 you do rather answer your own question don't you.

Yes, the UK and other states would not want to have data tracked by ANY other government. We already know as does the UK and Germany that the USA already does that - and that's not going to change.

However, if the U.S. could demonstrate to the UK, Germany and others that Huawei was doing as is is being claimed then they'd not want to have another data sucking spy system.

If the U.S could make a convincing case they would do so and other countries would go along with the U.S in its war against Huawei.


Andrewfi, other countries ARE going along with the US in it's war against Huawei

It's still pretty clear than most do not understand firmware - if one reveals one's firmware source code ..and Huawei HAVE allowed GCHQ access to same - one can judge the security issues.



ALL that has been proven is that Huawei kit had some security weaknesses


https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/03/28/hcsec_huawei_oversight_board_savaging_annual_report/ (https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/03/28/hcsec_huawei_oversight_board_savaging_annual_report/)




This poster first came across Huawei switches ( network interchange points)  in 2013 as an 'imaginary friend' warned me back then NOT to supply them to clients as they might have dodgy firmware that would allow the kit to monitor or be remotely controlled to interrupt the flow of data - and that he - a telco - would never sacrifice security by saving money and insisted in using CISCO


Going on for eight years later, I've yet to hear of  reliability issues  - but I expect Huawei kit is more scrutinised that it's competitors ..I wonder if the likes of Cisco have allowed GCHQ access to their firmware source code ?

Title: Re: What You Have Been Missing!
Post by: msmoby on February 23, 2020, 12:24:34 AM
Danger Will Rogers, Danger!

Weiner is an employee and advisor to the FDA, is considered a DNA technology expert and pioneered a new DNA transference method called electroporation – a microbiology technique which uses an electrical pulse to create temporary pores in cell membranes through which substances like chemicals, drugs or DNA can be introduced into the cell. This technique can be used to administer DNA vaccines, which inject foreign DNA into a host’s cells that changes the host’s DNA. This means if you take a DNA vaccine, you are allowing your DNA to be changed!

https://thefreedomarticles.com/coronavirus-5g-connection-coverup-vaccines-transhumanism/?owa_medium=feed&owa_sid=


1/ WHAT has this got to do with Huawei ?

2/ Why do you feel the need to prove your IGNORANCE of human biology .. ?  WHY copy and paste stuff which demonstrates you haven't got the first clue what you're telling us to be scared off ?

An explanation of how DNA vaccines work ..

https://www.who.int/biologicals/areas/vaccines/dna/en/ (https://www.who.int/biologicals/areas/vaccines/dna/en/)


As a kid, I'm sure your Ma and Pa happily allowed you to be injected with other form of vaccine that works on the principle of giving you a mild form of a sickness ..

A 'naughty' firm might make a vaccine that did not contain an attenuated form - but a virulent one ... but has it happened
Title: Re: What You Have Been Missing!
Post by: Contrarian on February 23, 2020, 08:57:29 PM
Danger Will Rogers, Danger!

Weiner is an employee and advisor to the FDA, is considered a DNA technology expert and pioneered a new DNA transference method called electroporation – a microbiology technique which uses an electrical pulse to create temporary pores in cell membranes through which substances like chemicals, drugs or DNA can be introduced into the cell. This technique can be used to administer DNA vaccines, which inject foreign DNA into a host’s cells that changes the host’s DNA. This means if you take a DNA vaccine, you are allowing your DNA to be changed!

https://thefreedomarticles.com/coronavirus-5g-connection-coverup-vaccines-transhumanism/?owa_medium=feed&owa_sid=


1/ WHAT has this got to do with Huawei ?

2/ Why do you feel the need to prove your IGNORANCE of human biology .. ?  WHY copy and paste stuff which demonstrates you haven't got the first clue what you're telling us to be scared off ?

An explanation of how DNA vaccines work ..

https://www.who.int/biologicals/areas/vaccines/dna/en/ (https://www.who.int/biologicals/areas/vaccines/dna/en/)


As a kid, I'm sure your Ma and Pa happily allowed you to be injected with other form of vaccine that works on the principle of giving you a mild form of a sickness ..

A 'naughty' firm might make a vaccine that did not contain an attenuated form - but a virulent one ... but has it happened

Moby why must you pollute every thread with your drivel? Vaccines have been proven to be very dangerous and there is also a proven link with autism.

Ignorance indeed. Keep your head buried in the sand, DURAK.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: msmoby on February 24, 2020, 03:20:57 AM
5G is very dangerous to animal and human life. It could literally be used for mass population control. Of course the Chinese want to build such a thing in the West!

Help...

Cornfed has been reading from his reliable scientific sources, AGAIN..

5G will need more transmitters .. it does not mean they are more powerful or penetrative...
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: andrewfi on February 24, 2020, 07:13:39 AM
Mystic Moby, go and read what I wrote. Then you will understand that you were actually agreeing with what I wrote.

Don't let your prejudices blind you.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: andrewfi on February 24, 2020, 07:23:32 AM
Confederate, have a little think, get out a piece of paper and a pen. Then you can work out just how dangerous vaccines are.

Here's a brief list of some vaccines that have saved millions of lives:
Smallpox, tuberculosis, polio, measles, influenza. You can easily learn how many people used to die from these diseases. Now tell us how many people are claimed to have died as the result of vaccination.
You can work out the numbers as a percentage. You can then tell us just how dangerous vaccines are.

Hint: the answer is very safe, not dangerous, particularly in comparison to the danger from not using vaccination to eradicate or control these illnesses.

Facts, they can be very inconvenient - they overpower ignorance every time.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: Contrarian on February 24, 2020, 09:44:21 AM
Confederate, have a little think, get out a piece of paper and a pen. Then you can work out just how dangerous vaccines are.

Here's a brief list of some vaccines that have saved millions of lives:
Smallpox, tuberculosis, polio, measles, influenza. You can easily learn how many people used to die from these diseases. Now tell us how many people are claimed to have died as the result of vaccination.
You can work out the numbers as a percentage. You can then tell us just how dangerous vaccines are.

Hint: the answer is very safe, not dangerous, particularly in comparison to the danger from not using vaccination to eradicate or control these illnesses.

Facts, they can be very inconvenient - they overpower ignorance every time.

Lives saved from improvements in hygiene etc.

Have you ever read the warnings and disclaimers on a vaccination?

There needs to be more research on these, not blind obedience.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: Contrarian on February 24, 2020, 11:36:48 AM
Confederate, have a little think, get out a piece of paper and a pen. Then you can work out just how dangerous vaccines are.

Here's a brief list of some vaccines that have saved millions of lives:
Smallpox, tuberculosis, polio, measles, influenza. You can easily learn how many people used to die from these diseases. Now tell us how many people are claimed to have died as the result of vaccination.
You can work out the numbers as a percentage. You can then tell us just how dangerous vaccines are.

Hint: the answer is very safe, not dangerous, particularly in comparison to the danger from not using vaccination to eradicate or control these illnesses.

Facts, they can be very inconvenient - they overpower ignorance every time.

Lives saved from improvements in hygiene etc.

Have you ever read the warnings and disclaimers on a vaccination?

There needs to be more research on these, not blind obedience.


Previously the government and MD’s said cigarettes were good for you. The government recommended parents to spray DDT on their kids cereal. We now know otherwise. It was about $$$. Still is!


http://dangersofvaccines.com/
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: AvHdB on February 24, 2020, 12:16:50 PM
Confederate, have a little think, get out a piece of paper and a pen. Then you can work out just how dangerous vaccines are.

Here's a brief list of some vaccines that have saved millions of lives:
Smallpox, tuberculosis, polio, measles, influenza. You can easily learn how many people used to die from these diseases. Now tell us how many people are claimed to have died as the result of vaccination.
You can work out the numbers as a percentage. You can then tell us just how dangerous vaccines are.

Hint: the answer is very safe, not dangerous, particularly in comparison to the danger from not using vaccination to eradicate or control these illnesses.

Facts, they can be very inconvenient - they overpower ignorance every time.

Coming from a rather shall we say Libertarian standpoint, I am not very fond or approving of governments that order or mandate policies.

On the other side as Andrew notes vaccines work and much of the anti-vaccine agenda is based on fear and weak conspiracy theories.

In the interest of full disclosure as a child I suffered from Polio because I was raised a Christian Siencetist. Fortunately RUA only has to deal with my dyslexia.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: andrewfi on February 24, 2020, 01:37:15 PM
Avhdb, I am of similar bent to yourself. Not the polio thing, but the attitude thing.

I am disgusted at the lies that uneducated and uninformed people are told. I am saddened with a state of affairs wherein people are so poorly educated that they cannot even manage to do a mental sanity check to analyse issues such as this one.

As for the societal, and sometimes legal, compulsion for vaccination where, in broad principle I agree with you, I also know that in order for vaccination programs to be effective there are certain percentages of an affected population who must be vaccinated in order for the program to be effective. Giving poorly informed idiots the option to opt out threatens the health of all of us.

Vaccination is not just about the individual but the group. Unvaccinated people can hope to remain uninfected only because they are surrounded by enough people who have been vaccinated that the disease is unable to spread effectively.

If enough foolish parents are conned by propagandists who do not have their interests at heart then the unvaccinated kids will fall victim to the illnesses that vaccination protects against.

Right now, antivaxxers take a free ride on the backs of the more sensible, more rational, members of the communities they are members of.

On that basis, I do think that we should work hard to make sure that vaccinations are carried out. After all, the only reason we eradicated smallpox was because of a massive vaccination program. As a result of that program, routine vaccination against smallpox stopped, in the United States in 1972. Now, no kids get the side effects, no kids get smallpox. Only by following through with these programs can we hope to remove the need for vaccination.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: NS1 on February 24, 2020, 02:25:53 PM
Other than Government conspiracies what does Huawei and Vaccines have to do with each other.
Should this not be a separate  thread??

That said, I agree that Vaccines benefit the many, lets be realistic, like anything some will not respond well
maybe even adverse affects from vaccines. But that number is exceptional small and no way warrants
the raising amount of people who wish not to do this is dangerous.

Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: dcguyusa on February 24, 2020, 05:24:00 PM
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Other than Government conspiracies what does Huawei and Vaccines have to do with each other.

What is the common thread between these two seemingly disparate entities?  They both appear to be connected to China.  Or maybe Huawei will morph into a pharmaceutical company in the future?   :chuckle:
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: Contrarian on February 24, 2020, 06:51:19 PM
Avhdb, I am of similar bent to yourself. Not the polio thing, but the attitude thing.

I am disgusted at the lies that uneducated and uninformed people are told. I am saddened with a state of affairs wherein people are so poorly educated that they cannot even manage to do a mental sanity check to analyse issues such as this one.

As for the societal, and sometimes legal, compulsion for vaccination where, in broad principle I agree with you, I also know that in order for vaccination programs to be effective there are certain percentages of an affected population who must be vaccinated in order for the program to be effective. Giving poorly informed idiots the option to opt out threatens the health of all of us.

Vaccination is not just about the individual but the group. Unvaccinated people can hope to remain uninfected only because they are surrounded by enough people who have been vaccinated that the disease is unable to spread effectively.

If enough foolish parents are conned by propagandists who do not have their interests at heart then the unvaccinated kids will fall victim to the illnesses that vaccination protects against.

Right now, antivaxxers take a free ride on the backs of the more sensible, more rational, members of the communities they are members of.

On that basis, I do think that we should work hard to make sure that vaccinations are carried out. After all, the only reason we eradicated smallpox was because of a massive vaccination program. As a result of that program, routine vaccination against smallpox stopped, in the United States in 1972. Now, no kids get the side effects, no kids get smallpox. Only by following through with these programs can we hope to remove the need for vaccination.

There are plenty of anti-vax Doctors and Scientists who are highly educated and qualified.

I expected scorn but from the likes of Moby.

Because you’re being so closed-minded I suggest you do a reset.

Pretend that the pro-Vax group is pro-Ukrainian.

Once you do a reset, pull your head out your backside and get some oxygen, then you’ll be able to see things differently.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: Contrarian on February 24, 2020, 06:54:59 PM
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Other than Government conspiracies what does Huawei and Vaccines have to do with each other.

What is the common thread between these two seemingly disparate entities?  They both appear to be connected to China.  Or maybe Huawei will morph into a pharmaceutical company in the future?   :chuckle:

Read the posted links above. There is a connection.
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: dcguyusa on February 24, 2020, 07:31:34 PM
Confederate, have a little think, get out a piece of paper and a pen. Then you can work out just how dangerous vaccines are.

Here's a brief list of some vaccines that have saved millions of lives:
Smallpox, tuberculosis, polio, measles, influenza. You can easily learn how many people used to die from these diseases. Now tell us how many people are claimed to have died as the result of vaccination.
You can work out the numbers as a percentage. You can then tell us just how dangerous vaccines are.

Hint: the answer is very safe, not dangerous, particularly in comparison to the danger from not using vaccination to eradicate or control these illnesses.

Facts, they can be very inconvenient - they overpower ignorance every time.

Lives saved from improvements in hygiene etc.

Have you ever read the warnings and disclaimers on a vaccination?

There needs to be more research on these, not blind obedience.


Previously the government and MD’s said cigarettes were good for you. The government recommended parents to spray DDT on their kids cereal. We now know otherwise. It was about $$$. Still is!


http://dangersofvaccines.com/

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The first European to discover smoking was Christopher Columbus

He discovered more than the new world.   :chuckle: :evilgrin0002: :biggrin:

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In 1798 the US physician Benjamin Rush wrote on the medical dangers of tobacco

That is over 200 years ago and you numbskulls still do not get it.   :'(

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Cigarette making machines were developed in the latter half of the 1800s. The first such machines produced about 200 cigarettes per minute (today’s machines produce about 9,000 per minute). Cheap mass production and the use of cigarette advertising allowed tobacco companies to expand their markets during this period.

Yet another product of the Industrial Revolution. Long live the Luddites.   :chuckle:
Title: Re: Huawei
Post by: cufflinks on February 25, 2020, 10:14:06 AM
Huawei reality check a.k.a. bitch slap..