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Title: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: spaukr on November 01, 2019, 05:55:53 AM
Hello, first of all sorry to use a new account, i would swear i was here before asking about a girl i was about to meet on Ukraine.

Well, some time have passed, and now we are about to marry. Im 33 and she is 25. She is adorable, everyone in my social circle loves her, treats me very well, you can tell they are so different from western woman, completely something else. I had a few polish ex's before and it feels pretty much the same, slav women are just superior.

She moved to my country and we live together. However, i start to worry about something.

She doesnt seem desperate to learn the language or to find a job (she is "illegal" for now). A long time ago, when investigating how ukrainian women are, i read something like they expect the man to be the breadwinner and also that the man's money is for both, but her money is just hers. Im afraid this is true in my case even if before meeting in person she admitted to know that in europe things are different and how she understands that she is supposed to work.

She admits to have low initiative because shes been kind of "overprotected", her father did almost all for her and she is used to people doing or choosing things for her. At the beginning she used to sit on youtube watching lessons, following these youtube teachers on instagram, now she unfollowed and barely studies anything. I have to remind her from time to time about learning, she learns, but at a slow pace.

She is very well mannered and definitely not the "instagram slut" kind, very caring, innocent and even religious. I mean she doesnt look like the "gold digger whore" prototype but I start to have bad thoughts about the relationship, i feel bad because putting this aside, she is the perfect woman.

Is it a cultural thing? How to make her understand that she should worry more about being busy?


Additional note: before i met her she didnt know i have money (i own several properties that i rent), i told her i have a normal job, just to test if she was after the money. She passed the test, but now this happens...?  She says that she is waiting to have her residence and job permissions because she is afraid of being sent back to her country if caught working ilegally...


You think im paranoid?


Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: andrewfi on November 01, 2019, 07:47:10 AM
What are you looking for?

Do you need her to have a job?

How do you communicate with her?

Is she a house pet and content with that? If so, is that a problem for you?

If she has no money coming in then her attitude to your money is immaterial as you will be providing for her. All you have to do is satisfy her needs.

She is right to be concerned about being illegally in your country and, in my opinion, it was a bad mistake on your part to allow and enable that to happen.

Where do you live?
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: BillyB on November 01, 2019, 08:35:31 AM
 You say she's the perfect woman but you have bad thoughts about the relationship. Is there something that's a deal breaker for you? Are you afraid there will be financial struggles in the future or simply can't afford a wife that doesn't work?
Title: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: 2tallbill on November 01, 2019, 09:02:45 AM
You think im paranoid?

I think you need to have a million conversations with her. How did you become
engaged without knowing about each others mutual goals ?

My advice is to get to know everything about this girl. What makes her tick?
What are her short term goals, what are her long term goals? What are her
goals for both of you together? Talk, talk and talk some more. You asked a
girl to marry you that and didn't do your due diligence first.

I'll bet she is eager to have these talks.

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: Guile on November 01, 2019, 11:20:53 AM
It's not a cultural thing it's a personality thing.  If she has no motivation or drive then she better learn fast!  I have Russian friends her age who taught themselves English to a high level and are working in a job supporting themselves.  What was she doing in Ukraine?

She sounds a bit lazy.  How long will it take for her to get residence?  That line is just an excuse for her to not work.  She should be looking at careers and working on her English vocab in whatever industry she wants to join.

it's a myth that women in Russia expect the men to work.  Maybe once they are married and have kids.  But all my friends in Russia in their 20's and 30's work.



Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: NS1 on November 01, 2019, 02:12:31 PM
Sounds like you missed some serious conversations
before asking her to marry you?
She should not work if not aloud, why risk her being deported?
Did you discuss if she would work? wanted to work? her future desires?
your future desires?

You're a little late, but I suggest you discuss it with her and fast.
Have you asked if she is struggling with language?
Are you helping her learn? this should be a daily exercise
with her new life.

Sounds like you didn't discuss your future, before you planned it.
Life long journeys are not just about cafes and sex.
Not just a pretty girl on your arm. If she is such a sweetheart
what is the problem?

Be not just fair to yourself, be fair to her, she has given up her way
of life for yours. Expecting her to be exactly who you want in a short time is
to say the least unfair. Flip the script and imagine how hard it would be
if you were in her country, the deal is simple. When she left you took responsibility
to care and provide for her. Help and guide her as she learns and most of all to be her
Husband and yes if she's old fashion she expects you to be a man.
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: BillyB on November 01, 2019, 02:30:09 PM

Well spaukr, you conclude your girl is the perfect woman but others seem to believe there was a lack of communication and she may be lazy. Who's wrong?
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: Guile on November 01, 2019, 04:04:32 PM
What level is her English now and does she have any career goals?  If not that could be a red flag.  She is 25 and has the rest of her life ahead of her. If she's gonna be sitting in the house all day spending your money, well...

What country are you in?  Lots of illegal workers in the USA and UK lol
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: Steveboy on November 02, 2019, 01:06:51 AM
She is living in your country where ever that is .. legally right now?

Where are you Toga .. Timbuktu ?

A bit of a strange story is it really true? Do you even exist?
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: Manny on November 02, 2019, 02:36:24 AM
If the chap is who I think he is, he very much exists and he lives in a country in the Balkan region.
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: spaukr on November 02, 2019, 03:01:37 AM
We live in spain. her english is good and sh is learning spanish slowly.

We just had "the talk". She started crying saying that i pressure her too much, that now that shes pregnant she just worries about the baby health and doesnt want any stress... apparently the other excuse its that she is illegal, BUT then she said "and whats the problem if one day i decide i dont want to work more?"

I went further in that direction and it seems for her, working is just an option, she expects to have a husband that pays everything. I feel so disappointed and im about to cancel the marriage, i like classic woman, but not so classic. Cleaning and cooking dont pay bills, its just a couple of hours a day, how about the rest of time? Kids are on school, what is she going to do, paint her nails and watch tv? No thanks.

I feel bad for her, really. She is the most innocent girl youll meet these days and it breaks my heart to dump her, but unless she changes her thoughts, she will be gone soon.
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: spaukr on November 02, 2019, 03:54:25 AM
Cannot edit previous message.

She says i understood wrong.

Her points:

- i put too much pressure on her, like if i want her to work and speak language too fast

- she says her plan was to work once made legal, but now that she is pregnant it changed things and wants to work after the baby is born


i took for granted that she would work as any other person in the world would do
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: Steveboy on November 02, 2019, 04:08:51 AM
Cannot edit previous message.

She says i understood wrong.

Her points:

- i put too much pressure on her, like if i want her to work and speak language too fast

- she says her plan was to work once made legal, but now that she is pregnant it changed things and wants to work after the baby is born


i took for granted that she would work as any other person in the world would do

So you need her to work and help you pay your bills and contribute towards the food and stuff ? Did she bring some socks and spare clothes with her?

So she arrived on a short term visa and is not actually allowed to live full time in your country? this is an important point?? can you clarify? So she arrived in Spain on what visa? Tourist?
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: andrewfi on November 02, 2019, 04:12:40 AM
Well, if you are now chucking fatherhood into the mix, most of what you wrote in your first post is moot. Also, cancelling the wedding and your marriage is a bit out of the question now, right?

Looks like this is more about you than she!

You got her pregnant. You made a new life, now you get to be parents. Suck it up and get on with it!
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: Steveboy on November 02, 2019, 04:13:50 AM
This is a typical case of how I have been describing Eastern European dating has changed over the last few years and what guys expect.

I have said many many times in this forum there are more and more guys looking for women to arrive with 20 pairs of spare socks , two coats , several pairs of underwear and 20 kilos of potatoes and ready to start work the minute she steps off the plane .. or in this case to save costs it may be a bus.. :laugh:
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: andrewfi on November 02, 2019, 04:21:27 AM
Is there anything else that you didn't think worth telling us?
Are you an illegal too?
Are you still married to someone else?
You're not the father?
 
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: Manny on November 02, 2019, 11:16:03 PM
I’m not aware that it is possible to get married in the EU unless your immigration status is legal?

Also, I am not aware that it is possible to legitimise your status whilst being in country illegally?
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: Guile on November 02, 2019, 11:56:34 PM
This doesn't sound like it's gonna end well.  I wonder how fast the courting process went.  She's pregnant and now you want to reconsider marriage and end things.

Maybe you should have talked about work and expectations before you brought her over.
 
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: Steveboy on November 03, 2019, 02:24:49 AM
I think it is some Mohamed arrived in Spain via the boat and now needs a cook washer up and general worker.. It is becoming more and more and more and more regular now.. and will do  even more so ...

They usually sit smoking that shit all day.. do a few hours down the local pizza shop whilst wife (Slave) goes to work.. on the way back from work the Slave will usually get a phone call from Mohamed "Don't forget my bottle of Jack Daniels and 2 packs of Marlborough"

Seen it happen in real life several times now..
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: NS1 on November 03, 2019, 02:51:27 AM
To say you're something else is  about as polite as I can be.
You get girl in your country, you get her Pregnant.
And now she needs to work illegally, learn your language,
clean and cook for you, am I missing anything?
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: andrewfi on November 03, 2019, 05:55:28 AM
In Spain right now it is possible for illegal immigrants to get residency and a work permit. I don't know all the details but here's an article on the topic.
https://www.euroresidentes.com/euroresiuk/news-spain/legalisation-of-illegal-immigrants-in

The article is undated but fits with what I learned recently in a different context. I don't know how long this window will remain open.

The idea was to get a whole load of workers in the black economy into the tax system and to reduce the exploitation of workers who felt unable to improve their situation.

As Guile noted above, given what we have been told by our hero, this woman's situation does not seem good at all. To some degree responsibility lies with the woman but the guy is much more at fault here given his apparent abdication of his responsibilities.

The least he should do, IMHO, is to get this woman, and probably himself, legalised while it is possible to do so and marry the woman when that can be done in Spain or one or the other of their home countries.
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: andrewfi on November 03, 2019, 07:00:35 AM
RE. My last post above. For our hero OP. I just found that the program I linked to above has ended. There is something that kinda replaces it, but the timescale is much longer, apparently around 3 years of surving illegally is required.

Theres a paradoxical thing over there in that even if illegal one is best served to register one's residence called the padron with the local town hall. This enables emergency health care and provides some kind of starting point to a legalisation process.

Absolutely not an expert and I certainly am not going to be researching this as I have no need for the information. However, it does seem as though there is a path to legitimising one's status in Spain. For sure that's something that you and your future wife should take care of.
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: Texan77 on November 03, 2019, 07:09:52 AM
To say you're something else is  about as polite as I can be.
You get girl in your country, you get her Pregnant.
And now she needs to work illegally, learn your language,
clean and cook for you, am I missing anything?

Then Westerners wondering why most FSU women run when western men approach them. Life in the Ukraine or where ever is better. I wondering what happened to this guys last relationship?

What kind of job would she get in Spain not speaking the language and as far as I know no special skills? It is going to pay how much? This guy own several houses but his wife has to do what for a living?
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: BillyB on November 03, 2019, 08:32:42 AM

spaukr, your girl being pregnant is not the time to ask her to look for a job or the wedding is cancelled. Your concerns should have been discussed before a wedding proposal. Too late. Now you're ready to leave your child just because you think your fiancée won't work. This attitude may come back to haunt you. Have faith after the child is born that your woman will do what it takes to financially take care of the child should your income not be enough. Surely she will find a way to financially take care of the child if you leave her.
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: spaukr on November 03, 2019, 10:00:05 AM
First of all to the trolls calling me Mohammed, im spanish 100%

The baby came by accident, and again for the trolls, im sure without a doubt that its mine because we spend 24hours together.

Before i met her and then a few times on the first few months, i tried to know if she expected to stay at home all day or if she understood that in Europe both men and women work. I doubt my income is enough to keep two people, so even less three. Im sorry for not being a petrol billionare like all of you. And even if my income was just enough, i wouldnt feel comfortable having a lazy wife at home all day. By the way we share house chores. I believe that a couple should be 50%-50%, not one living off another.

I live in an area with A LOT of english speaking people, spanish language isnt really a must, she could easily babysit, for example. You know the saying "when theres a will, theres a way" ? Adult people normally feel bad if they dont have a job, ever felt this or some of you are still 17 years old living in your parents house?

And yes, i have many houses but believe it or not, the more you have the more you pay (taxes, insurance, things breaking, people not paying...) Im sorry for not being a petrol billionare like all of you.
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: Steveboy on November 03, 2019, 10:13:36 AM
First of all to the trolls calling me Mohammed, im spanish 100%

The baby came by accident, and again for the trolls, im sure without a doubt that its mine because we spend 24hours together.

Before i met her and then a few times on the first few months, i tried to know if she expected to stay at home all day or if she understood that in Europe both men and women work. I doubt my income is enough to keep two people, so even less three. Im sorry for not being a petrol billionare like all of you. And even if my income was just enough, i wouldnt feel comfortable having a lazy wife at home all day. By the way we share house chores. I believe that a couple should be 50%-50%, not one living off another.

I live in an area with A LOT of english speaking people, spanish language isnt really a must, she could easily babysit, for example. You know the saying "when theres a will, theres a way" ? Adult people normally feel bad if they dont have a job, ever felt this or some of you are still 17 years old living in your parents house?

And yes, i have many houses but believe it or not, the more you have the more you pay (taxes, insurance, things breaking, people not paying...) Im sorry for not being a petrol billionare like all of you.

Why not just marry a local women then? Would save lots of problems and the locals already know they need to work as you say..why go to all the problems of finding a women from Ukraine?
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: andrewfi on November 03, 2019, 10:23:36 AM
Hang on a moment there before you start getting mardy!

You told us you have money - now you say you don't.
You did not tell us in the post where you asked for advice and support that you got your woman pregnant.
You told us you were thinking of calling off the wedding BEFORE you told us of your inability to use contraception.

And you have the temerity to be upset with us?

Look buster, you were misleading to the point of dishonesty with us. You were suggesting, and wanting support for, a shameful act.

Before you get angry with people who have tried to offer relevant and helpful input, try taking a look in the mirror!

When you understand what you have done, have a long hard think about your responsibilities and how to best meet them. Stop being a little boy and start to be a man.
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: Guile on November 03, 2019, 12:27:06 PM
I had a few Russian friends date Spanish and Italian guys...they said they were the most immature, mammas boys around.  Just wannabe playboys and then would end things at the slightest problem and not try to solve it.

2 eventually married German men and one started to date Brits lol.

wake up spaukr. go sell one of your houses and get some cash.

Perhaps the pregnancy was an accident but did you use condoms?  If not then you really can't blame anyone but yourself.
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: 2tallbill on November 03, 2019, 12:36:07 PM
Cannot edit previous message.

You became engaged to a woman without defining mutual goals and made her
preggers. Now you are threatening to throw her out, unless she miraculously
learns your language and begins a life of crime by working illegally.

She feels pressured, pregnant, illegal and fears of becoming homeless. You are
such a peach! Can you put yourself in her shoes for just a moment?

You are being unreasonable and you've should have had conversations about
mutual goals before she had your baby growing inside her. You both made
assumptions about the other and that was a mistake. Never assume that a
woman has the exact same thoughts and goals as you do. Ask questions
most FSUW will answer them. 

Stop insisting that she do something illegal.

Hopefully feel something for this woman that you've asked to marry and is
bearing your child. If so, you need to go back and address the steps that
you've skipped.

You skipped the part of getting to know your future mate. Get to know her
all over again. Come up with a list of individual goals (for each of you) and
mutual goals. Don't forget goals on improving yourself. Once you've done
that, come up with a plan.

If you don't know where you are going then any road can get you there.
Lewis Carroll

Failing to plan is planning to fail.
Benjamin Franklin

Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: Guile on November 03, 2019, 12:41:37 PM
Unfortunately some guys think with the little head rather than big head first. Maybe she is a stunner.  who was "sheltered and overprotected" in his words. How he expects her to work right away in some foreign country is beyond me. She has good English from what you say.  Forget the Spanish for now.

One option is for her to just leave.  The OP doesn't seem to want to put any effort into solving this.  Just break up if you can't deal with it.

How long did you know her before asking her to get married and to come to your country?
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: AvHdB on November 03, 2019, 02:01:58 PM
Cannot edit previous message.

You became engaged to a woman without defining mutual goals and made her
preggers. Now you are threatening to throw her out, unless she miraculously
learns your language and begins a life of crime by working illegally.

She feels pressured, pregnant, illegal and fears of becoming homeless. You are
such a peach! Can you put yourself in her shoes for just a moment?

You are being unreasonable and you've should have had conversations about
mutual goals before she had your baby growing inside her. You both made
assumptions about the other and that was a mistake. Never assume that a
woman has the exact same thoughts and goals as you do. Ask questions
most FSUW will answer them. 

Stop insisting that she do something illegal.

Hopefully feel something for this woman that you've asked to marry and is
bearing your child. If so, you need to go back and address the steps that
you've skipped.

You skipped the part of getting to know your future mate. Get to know her
all over again. Come up with a list of individual goals (for each of you) and
mutual goals. Don't forget goals on improving yourself. Once you've done
that, come up with a plan.

If you don't know where you are going then any road can get you there.
Lewis Carroll

Failing to plan is planning to fail.
Benjamin Franklin

Please print this quote and tape it to your bathroom mirror as well as the kitchen door, and carry a copy with you when you are travelling.

I suspect today and tomorrow would be a really good time to have discussions with the pregnant bride. Your situation is not hopeless but it needs some serious effort involving you manning up.

Along the lines of what Bill quotes is the expression my father taught me; "Plan your work, Work your plan."
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: NS1 on November 03, 2019, 02:57:26 PM
You really are a piece of work.
You coming looking for support and
sympathy, by lying and spinning a tale of half truths.

Get real, grow up and be a man.
All the things you wished to know, should have been asked
before asking her to marry you.
Before bringing her to your country.
and most certainly before getting her pregnant.

You talk about having money in the beginning and
now you're crying poor, more like you are cheap.
Take care of your to be wife, make sure you, take car of her and the baby, your child.
This should be first and foremost of all your plans.

In the meantime, you can discuss your future and her goals.
Really all that needs to be said is grow up and be a
ream MAN>
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: Texan77 on November 03, 2019, 05:19:14 PM

I know at first my girl was resistant to learning English. I did not understand why. I physically took her to the English language school and signed her up. I was not dragging her there but she was not excited about it. It was a condition that she needed to make an effort as part of our relationship. But I was also asking her to not get job because she would not earn any money and she would not be available for anything I wanted her to do like take English classes. When she show up and started talking to the girls who were running the school her whole attitude changed. She got excited about the classes. She was in a strange city and did not know any body because her home in Lugansk has been shelled. When she started school she got even more excited because now she had friends. It turned out she is naturally completive and wanted to be the best student in the whole school. She studied very hard and learn  lot of English in 12 weeks. Maybe under the right conditions this girl would do the same thing. A little encouragement together with a feeling of being safe and a few new friends who were also interested in the language might change everything.

I guess what he is saying here is that he wants to manage this income property which does not make much money while she gets a job. Maybe he needs to get the job. I earn my living managing rental property and had a job too when I was 36. I did most of the repairs myself on week ends and nights. I had a foreign wife who did not work. This is not impossible for a person with a young body. Actually it felt good. I am 70 now and in good health. So it did not seem to hurt me.
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: justadude on November 04, 2019, 08:29:52 PM
First of all to the trolls calling me Mohammed, im spanish 100%

The baby came by accident, and again for the trolls, im sure without a doubt that its mine because we spend 24hours together.

Before i met her and then a few times on the first few months, i tried to know if she expected to stay at home all day or if she understood that in Europe both men and women work. I doubt my income is enough to keep two people, so even less three. Im sorry for not being a petrol billionare like all of you. And even if my income was just enough, i wouldnt feel comfortable having a lazy wife at home all day. By the way we share house chores. I believe that a couple should be 50%-50%, not one living off another.

I live in an area with A LOT of english speaking people, spanish language isnt really a must, she could easily babysit, for example. You know the saying "when theres a will, theres a way" ? Adult people normally feel bad if they dont have a job, ever felt this or some of you are still 17 years old living in your parents house?

And yes, i have many houses but believe it or not, the more you have the more you pay (taxes, insurance, things breaking, people not paying...) Im sorry for not being a petrol billionare like all of you.

I think I can identify with some of your concerns. I was engaged to two different Ukrainian girls, one of whom came to the US on a fiance visa. Although both had had good jobs in Ukraine at different points, I got the impression that both wanted to relax their efforts significantly after marriage.

One had been an accountant for 7 years but wanted to work in retail in the US. I chose not to marry the second one mostly because of the financial commitment.

In the US one must sign an affidavit of support that is open ended in terms of time or in regard to whether the marriage lasts. The purpose is to protect the US taxpayer from taking on someone else's burden.

I am not proud of what I did, but neither of these women got pregnant during the process either. You're in a tough spot. There are no easy answers and I don't claim to have any answer at all for you. Hang in there man.
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: andrewfi on November 05, 2019, 05:40:07 AM
Justadude, the guy is not in a 'tough spot'. All he needs to do is follow through on his commitments and responsibilities. That's stuff that most of us, but not you and the OP, do all the time.

Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: dcguyusa on November 06, 2019, 06:37:22 PM
This is a typical case of how I have been describing Eastern European dating has changed over the last few years and what guys expect.

I have said many many times in this forum there are more and more guys looking for women to arrive with 20 pairs of spare socks , two coats , several pairs of underwear and 20 kilos of potatoes and ready to start work the minute she steps off the plane .. or in this case to save costs it may be a bus.. :laugh:

Not so for my case.  My new wife can wear as little as she wants when she arrives.  She can have a very long honeymoon before she considers her future occupation.  She will need only stuff from Victoria's Secret.   :evilgrin0002: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: Steveboy on November 07, 2019, 02:45:09 AM
This is a typical case of how I have been describing Eastern European dating has changed over the last few years and what guys expect.

I have said many many times in this forum there are more and more guys looking for women to arrive with 20 pairs of spare socks , two coats , several pairs of underwear and 20 kilos of potatoes and ready to start work the minute she steps off the plane .. or in this case to save costs it may be a bus.. :laugh:

Not so for my case.  My new wife can wear as little as she wants when she arrives.  She can have a very long honeymoon before she considers her future occupation.  She will need only stuff from Victoria's Secret.   :evilgrin0002: :chuckle:

Victoria's Secret  They aint going to be around for much longer.. liberalism has also taken over in there.. the latest range includes sexy outfits for transgenders... look at their shares:) They will be finished soon.. remember it is racist just selling sexy stuff for sexy women now!! What about women who have beards? How do you think they feel about going into such a shop and not seeing some outfit for themselves..

Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: 2tallbill on November 07, 2019, 12:35:42 PM
Along the lines of what Bill quotes is the expression my father taught me; "Plan your work, Work your plan." [/size][/font]

Your father made it more concise.

"Plan your work for today and every day, then work your plan."
Margaret Thatcher.
Title: Re: Doubts about my relationship
Post by: dcguyusa on November 07, 2019, 03:16:15 PM
This is a typical case of how I have been describing Eastern European dating has changed over the last few years and what guys expect.

I have said many many times in this forum there are more and more guys looking for women to arrive with 20 pairs of spare socks , two coats , several pairs of underwear and 20 kilos of potatoes and ready to start work the minute she steps off the plane .. or in this case to save costs it may be a bus.. :laugh:

Not so for my case.  My new wife can wear as little as she wants when she arrives.  She can have a very long honeymoon before she considers her future occupation.  She will need only stuff from Victoria's Secret.   :evilgrin0002: :chuckle:

Victoria's Secret  They aint going to be around for much longer.. liberalism has also taken over in there.. the latest range includes sexy outfits for transgenders... look at their shares:) They will be finished soon.. remember it is racist just selling sexy stuff for sexy women now!! What about women who have beards? How do you think they feel about going into such a shop and not seeing some outfit for themselves..

For ladies with beards, they need to go to Victor/Victoria's secret.   :chuckle: (:)