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Title: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on April 30, 2019, 09:40:52 AM
Watch live as Guaido speaks of plan to oust terrorist dictator Maduro.

https://www.euronews.com/2019/04/30/the-moment-is-now-venezuela-s-juan-guaido-calls-for-military-uprising
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: andrewfi on April 30, 2019, 01:40:13 PM
If he gets the support there are going to be some very rich senior military.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: dcguyusa on May 01, 2019, 05:53:52 PM
The president has already given the senior military big promotions, so they will likely stick with him to the bitter or better end.   :chuckle:
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: andrewfi on May 02, 2019, 04:22:49 AM
If he gets the support there are going to be some very rich senior military.

He was played like a fish!

The U.S had been 'negotiating' with some of the senior military and government to persuade them to betray their country and vows. The targets played along and then when the U.S's boy got on his hind legs, having been told there'd be lots of support, was left with nothing, boxed in a small suburb with nowhere to go. His 'right-hand man' has gone into protection with his family, now lodging with the Spanish Ambassador.

The U.S administration now look like idiots, also have been played- they were under the impression that Maduro was going to leave the country. That was not the case, but the fat guys got on their hind legs and brayed the story they had been fed.

Guaido is, in my opinion, likely to get Nemtsov'd; that would serve to give some value to the U.S for his service, it would serve to give them a reason to berate the legitimate Maduro government and, the best part, it would allow the U.S to climb down given that the only dog they had in the fight was now dead.

If Guiado is murdered by the U.S then the sanctions will continue, the theft of state assets by the U.S and allies will continue, but for the time being the coup attempts will end.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on May 02, 2019, 10:06:43 AM
If he gets the support there are going to be some very rich senior military.

He was played like a fish!

The U.S had been 'negotiating' with some of the senior military and government to persuade them to betray their country and vows. The targets played along and then when the U.S's boy got on his hind legs, having been told there'd be lots of support, was left with nothing, boxed in a small suburb with nowhere to go. His 'right-hand man' has gone into protection with his family, now lodging with the Spanish Ambassador.

The U.S administration now look like idiots, also have been played- they were under the impression that Maduro was going to leave the country. That was not the case, but the fat guys got on their hind legs and brayed the story they had been fed.

Guaido is, in my opinion, likely to get Nemtsov'd; that would serve to give some value to the U.S for his service, it would serve to give them a reason to berate the legitimate Maduro government and, the best part, it would allow the U.S to climb down given that the only dog they had in the fight was now dead.

If MADURO is FORCED OUT by the people of Venezuela with U.S assistance then the sanctions will STOP, the theft of state assets by MADURO and CROOKS will STOP, and the legitimate President, Guaido, will restore peace and prosperity.


FTFY!!!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-latin-america-48123569
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: andrewfi on May 02, 2019, 11:19:27 AM
There's nothing to fix. However the words you chose indicate what is going on! Blackmail and war.

And to think that you lot of poor diddumses are so het up about the possibility that the USA might have been affected by a Russian marketing company buying some Facebook ads. Look what you Americans are doing to the people of Venezuela. You are foolish enough to think that the majority of Venezuelans will willingly surrender to the USA?
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on May 02, 2019, 11:24:56 AM
^yet another “brilliant” post from the forum comedian.

Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: andrewfi on May 02, 2019, 11:35:18 AM
^yet another “brilliant” post from the forum comedian.

Go back and see just how often you have agreed with me. While you are at it, go back and see how often I get this stuff right.

You are letting your shortsighted prejudices get in your way.

That's normal enough for many people, they find it easy to respect the fact-based opinions of others when they agree with their own prejudices but find it much harder to give the same respect when their prejudices are challenged.

As we saw the other day, the coup attempt failed, it failed on so many levels that, unless the coup was planned to fail by Guaido's bosses in Washington, it could not have gone worse.

We know about the 'negotiations' because they were publicized by the Venezuelan government. We know about the story of Maduro being ready to flee the country with, it was claimed, an aircraft waiting for him, because of the silly stuff that Mike Pompeo embarrassed himself with. We know that, even on a national holiday, Guaido couldn't amass more than a handful of supporters because it was on the national news, complete with helicopter overflights.

It is Pompeo's loss of face that tells me that this was not what was intended, this is not a rerun of Chile. These are not people who handle the loss of face well.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: msmoby on May 03, 2019, 12:47:12 AM
There's nothing to fix.

Other than hyper inflation,  hunger and a and a health service that is broke?  (To mention but a few things that someone needs to fix )




However the words you chose indicate what is going on! Blackmail and war.

And to think that you lot of poor diddumses are so het up about the possibility that the USA might have been affected by a Russian marketing company buying some Facebook ads. Look what you Americans are doing to the people of Venezuela. You are foolish enough to think that the majority of Venezuelans will willingly surrender to the USA?

Andrewfi singles out the USA but neglects to mention how many other nation no longer recognise Maduro as President

Sure, there is an element of those nations who have invested most recently in Venezuela panicking ( China and Russia) ....

They do not want Maduro gone ..they do not care want the majority of people want ..they want to protect their interests...

Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: cufflinks on May 03, 2019, 08:35:31 AM
Curious Brit-ism:   "poor diddumses"

Urban Dictionary...
diddums
diddums British
interjection
HUMOROUS
an expression which seems sympathetic but which really means the opposite
"I hurt my finger." "Ah diddums!"
(A) "Our children want to play in the mud." "Diddums!"
(B) They have decided to take part in the marathon in their holidays." "Oh diddums!"
(C) "The neighbors on the third floor are at it again." "Ah diddums!"

OR even more Curious definition:

diddums
A sexual act wherein one partner deposits fecal matter on the other persons chest. See Cleveland steamer.
That chick was really freaky and wanted me to diddums after blowing me.

Clearly a mocking, degenerate, and derogatory phrase - Source Lord Afi of Fee Fo Fum - go figure.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: cufflinks on May 03, 2019, 08:46:53 AM
Hate to stink up the place by dropping a Cleveland Steamer in the middle of the Empire Party:

http://www.thetradingreport.com/2019/05/01/two-u-s-aircraft-carriers-might-be-headed-for-venezuela/

May 1, 2019

Juan Guaido has initiated a violent uprising in an attempt to overthrow Nicolas Maduro, and it appears that the U.S. may be preparing to intervene in the conflict militarily.  The USNI News Fleet and Marine Tracker accurately track the current positions of U.S. naval assets, and according to them the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower has left port on the east coast and the USS Theodore Roosevelt has left port on the west coast.  In both cases, each aircraft carrier was originally slated for “training” exercises, but now there is lots of speculation that they are both steaming south toward Venezuela.  Since there has been no official confirmation from Washington, let me stress that once again that any talk about the potential destination of these carriers is just speculation.  But considering what is taking place in Venezuela at this moment, it certainly would not surprise anyone if the waters off Venezuela is precisely where they are heading.

Rumors that both Soviet Russian and Communist Chinese Nuclear Armed Submarines in the Area so you can bet the Carrier Task forces will be similarly protected...  could become a
very interesting testing and proving ground for the latest Red Freaking Communist Chinese, Totalitarian Putinists Russia and Freedom Loving USA Hyper-Sonic Conventional and Nuclear Armed missiles.  Looks like the EU-NATO and Brits not invited to the Party ...  will likely envelope them soon enough.   Drop your sox and grab your cox sheeite is about to get real.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on May 03, 2019, 08:57:23 AM
It’s our hemisphere and Russia would be wise to GTFO but Putin is a greedy lil’ *snip* who will only learn the hard way the true limitations of his country’s economy to sustain war long enough to prevail.

All red-blooded American Patriots know the Monroe Doctrine very well and we’re not going to sit idly by while yet another Commie scum dictator thug continues to starve people and deprive them of basic human rights such as medicines and food.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: cufflinks on May 03, 2019, 09:15:50 AM
It’s our hemisphere and Russia would be wise to GTFO but Putin is a greedy lil’ *snip* who will only learn the hard way the true limitations of his country’s economy to sustain war long enough to prevail.

All red-blooded American Patriots know the Monroe Doctrine very well and we’re not going to sit idly by while yet another Commie scum dictator thug continues to starve people and deprive them of basic human rights such as medicines and food.

LOL Tell that to the Communist Freaking Red Chinese who are systematically taking control of all Central and South American Natural and Strategic resources via Loan Shark diplomacy while deflecting attention towards Cuba and Russia - I have been to Moscow on business and it is the most capitalist place on planet earth - like one giant Blue Eyed Hot Blonde Hong Kong.   Putin may be a thug but he left his communist upbringing long ago. 
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on May 03, 2019, 09:23:12 AM
It’s our hemisphere and Russia would be wise to GTFO but Putin is a greedy lil’ *snip* who will only learn the hard way the true limitations of his country’s economy to sustain war long enough to prevail.

All red-blooded American Patriots know the Monroe Doctrine very well and we’re not going to sit idly by while yet another Commie scum dictator thug continues to starve people and deprive them of basic human rights such as medicines and food.

LOL Tell that to the Communist Freaking Red Chinese who are systematically taking control of all Central and South American Natural and Strategic resources via Loan Shark diplomacy while deflecting attention towards Cuba and Russia - I have been to Moscow on business and it is the most capitalist place on planet earth - like one giant Blue Eyed Hot Blonde Hong Kong.   Putin may be a thug but he left his communist upbringing long ago.

The Commie thug dictator I was referring to is Maduro, doesn’t matter though we all know the Russians hope to profit from being where they don’t belong so if they keep trying to prop up Dictator scumbag thief Maduro they may pay a very heavy price.  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: cufflinks on May 03, 2019, 09:37:10 AM
Agreed Maduro is an avowed Castro Marxist Communist who makes Bernie Sanders seem downright democratic.

Can't say as I blame Moscow - Caracas women are hot and the weather warm and inviting versus Moscow in winter.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on May 03, 2019, 09:41:11 AM
Agreed Maduro is an avowed Castro Marxist Communist who makes Bernie Sanders seem downright democratic.

Can't say as I blame Moscow - Caracas women are hot and the weather warm and inviting versus Moscow in winter.


And Caracas is ‘bout to get even hotter.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: dcguyusa on May 03, 2019, 03:56:31 PM
Quote
The Travel Advisories for 35 countries have been updated to include a “K” indicator for the risk of kidnapping and/or hostage taking: Afghanistan, Algeria, Angola, Bangladesh, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Colombia, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ethiopia, Haiti, Iran, Iraq, Kenya, Lebanon, Libya, Malaysia, Mali, Mexico, Niger, Nigeria, Pakistan, Papua New Guinea, Philippines, Russian Federation, Somalia, South Sudan, Sudan, Syria, Trinidad and Tobago, Turkey, Uganda, Ukraine (in Russian-controlled eastern Ukraine), Venezuela, and Yemen.

https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2019/04/291021.htm

Venezuela and Russia (and of course, Eastern Ukraine) are on the country list of places where you can be held hostage.  Note that DPRK is not listed because there is no risk of random kidnapping, the government will do it instead.    :chuckle:
Title: US Economic Terrorism and Genocide Against the People of Venezuela
Post by: Wiz on May 04, 2019, 07:54:11 PM
“Psychopath Capitalism”: US Economic Terrorism
 and Genocide Against the People of Venezuela

The US government is disintegrating, and has been for many years, with the current administration rife with internecine warfare.  The French government is confronting an incipient popular revolution of the Yellow Jackets, the British government stymied by Brexit and separatist movements threatening the survival of the “United Kingdom.”  It is only with the most flagrant arrogance that they criticize Venezuela.

It is agonizing to witness the mass murder of a heroic and progressive Venezuelan people, by a psychopathic capitalism which has not one iota of human decency, and wallowing in its cannibalistic behavior, desecrates the very concept of human rights.  But that is the essence of monopoly capitalism, whose “highest” stage is fascism. One can only hope that Russia and China will recognize the future menace to their own survival, and will not indulge in the wishful thinking of a “win-win” arrangement with Washington. One can only hope that the crucible of Venezuela will prove to be the Stalingrad of this de facto World War III, and it will be on the battlefield of Venezuela, with its transgenerational legacy of Simon Bolivar, that fascism is defeated, and the future progressive destiny of humanity will be forged.

Read More: https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-economic-terrorism-genocide-people-venezuela/5676366
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on May 04, 2019, 08:02:16 PM
Wake up Wiz it’s Maduro and before him Chavez, starved their own people and stole Billions!!
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: AvHdB on May 05, 2019, 03:45:29 AM
Wiz, dear chap it has nothing to do with capitalism or America. There is a rich tradition of this in Central and South America. The despot Maduro and before him Chavez have royally screwed there own people. If Venezuela had followed a Norwegian or even a Cuban economic model NONE of the present misery would have occurred.

Wiz you have head so far up the ass of Global Research that you can not see reality from a field of unicorns. Why not do some research into this group and come back to RUA with your findings? It is disturbing evidence.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Wiz on May 05, 2019, 07:38:47 AM
Wake up Wiz it’s Maduro and before him Chavez, starved their own people and stole Billions!!

I don't find, anymore, amazing the fact that every single ..almost... American is been brainwashed and programmed to believe everything your MAFIA Government and your mass media and TV stations are spewing out.

Are you all American's have become mentally retarded and don't understand what is coming out of your Mafia President "Tramp" mouth and also what comes out of the mouths of your officials like "Mike Pence", "Pompeo", "Bold" etc?

As you must have noticed, I do read various publications not only the Global Research, listen to programs and interviews and don't rely to whatever the Zionist controlled TV and News media are spewing out. I feel sorry for most poor American's been Fcuked up by their own Mafia Government.

I noticed, on another post, you made the comment, that South America and the whole continent it's YOUR OWN backyard.......and Russia or anybody else has no  right to have business with these countries. Definitely you have lost it and have gone Mad!

Just for your own good, get out of your home, smell the fresh air and then take a long look at what is going on around you!

For your education read the following, below, article by John Pilger to learn something.

AvHdB Zionist Troll .....

Don't bother trying to teach me how to suck eggs or anything else. Keep your Trolling attention to your easy American prey and stay out of my view.........

(https://gallery.mailchimp.com/81e01f026144a7a39810a239b/images/ef2dee0d-e115-4b39-bf18-969cc052e116.png)

THE WAR ON VENEZUELA IS BUILT ON LIES (https://us5.campaign-archive.com/?u=81e01f026144a7a39810a239b&id=bcfaf09e88)

Click the above link to read the whole article!

(https://gallery.mailchimp.com/81e01f026144a7a39810a239b/images/195d9ab1-6c97-491e-b141-366da6bae138.jpg)

"The Guardian correspondent, Tom Phillips, has tweeted a picture of a cap on which the words in Spanish mean in local slang: "Make Venezuela  :censored: ing cool again." The reporter as clown may be the final stage of much of mainstream journalism's degeneration.

Should the CIA stooge Guaido and his white supremacists grab power, it will be the 68th overthrow of a sovereign government by the United States, most of them democracies. A fire sale of Venezuela's utilities and mineral wealth will surely follow, along with the theft of the country's oil, as outlined by John Bolton.

Under the last Washington-controlled government in Caracas, poverty reached historic proportions. There was no healthcare for those could not pay. There was no universal education; Mavis Mendez, and millions like her, could not read or write.

How cool is that, Tom?"
or shall I add .....Confederate?

 tiphat

When you finish with the above.... make time and read all these relevant posts:

https://us9.campaign-archive.com/?e=da9ae1910f&u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f&id=c7ceae3588#160st (https://us9.campaign-archive.com/?e=da9ae1910f&u=fa2faf7034c3c3c413cb3652f&id=c7ceae3588#160st)

 :biggrin:
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on May 05, 2019, 08:02:42 AM

https://www.msn.com/en-in/money/news/venezuelan-bolivar-and-the-worlds-other-most-worthless-currencies/ss-BBMhoHb?li=AAggbRN
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on May 05, 2019, 08:07:24 AM
Wiz, dear chap it has nothing to do with capitalism or America. There is a rich tradition of this in Central and South America. The despot Maduro and before him Chavez have royally screwed there own people. If Venezuela had followed a Norwegian or even a Cuban economic model NONE of the present misery would have occurred.

Wiz you have head so far up the ass of Global Research that you can not see reality from a field of unicorns. Why not do some research into this group and come back to RUA with your findings? It is disturbing evidence.


He’s truly clueless on this one, huh?!!

Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: andrewfi on May 05, 2019, 08:43:36 AM
Wiz, dear chap it has nothing to do with capitalism or America. There is a rich tradition of this in Central and South America. The despot Maduro and before him Chavez have royally screwed there own people. If Venezuela had followed a Norwegian or even a Cuban economic model NONE of the present misery would have occurred.

Wiz you have head so far up the ass of Global Research that you can not see reality from a field of unicorns. Why not do some research into this group and come back to RUA with your findings? It is disturbing evidence.


So, you are saying that Chavez and Maduro did nothing about land ownership, health, literacy? You are saying that seizing Venezuelan assets, blockading imports, and exports, restricting access to money all had no effect upon the Venezuelan economy?

Put down the wine bottle, sober up and start to learn some stuff. It ain't hard, we already know that you can read.

Let us make it even easier for you. let us try a little thought experiment.
There's you a wealthy sort of a bloke. You sell your stuff in the United States through a business registered in the USA. It gives you a decent income. But then, for some reason, unrelated to anything about your business, its products or the legality of the business, the government in the USA closes down your business. Worse than that, they then tell you that you no longer own the business and that all the goods you have in the US will be sold and the money taken by the US government.

How many bottles of wine will you be buying the month after that happens?
If I were to tell you that it was your fault for not being a better businessman how would you react? Would you agree with me, or point out that what happened to you was outside of your control, theft and illegal?

If you were to tell me that you understand that you should have diversified, not relied upon your business in the United States, I'd agree with you. But that would not mean that your choice to deal with the USA was wrong. You were simply doing that which was profitable. You did not expect that the USA would become thieves. I might counter that there's plenty of evidence of that happening, but still, not everyone is such a good businessman and we all make mistakes.

The bottom line here, the United States is working to overthrow the legitimate government of another country by destroying its ability to run a functioning economy. That the economy was already fragile does not make what the US is doing right, there is no justification here. The US is killing people, again, and blaming its victims for their own deaths.

Ultimately, I believe this will tend toward more isolation for the United States because more countries will be forced to follow some form of the Chinese and Russian models (two different models with similar effects).
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: BillyB on May 05, 2019, 09:13:14 AM

Andrew, when Hugo Chavez took power, he seized American and European companies oil projects over there. He then seized land and assets belonging to American and European companies. He allow some Russian interests to remain. Chavez made his enemies and chose his friends. He is responsible for where his country is at now.

If a nation seized the assets of your family, would you continue to do business with that nation? Normal people wouldn't. America is normal.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Wiz on May 05, 2019, 09:19:30 AM
The bottom line here, the United States is working to overthrow the legitimate government of another country by destroying its ability to run a functioning economy. That the economy was already fragile does not make what the US is doing right, there is no justification here. The US is killing people, again, and blaming its victims for their own deaths.

Ultimately, I believe this will tend toward more isolation for the United States because more countries will be forced to follow some form of the Chinese and Russian models (two different models with similar effects).

Thanks Andrew for the effort to educate the brainwashed and zombies from the USA. They have not the faintest idea.... what is going on around the world, what their country has been doing since the end of WWII and how many innocent people has been killed from their actions, invasions etc.

Well looks that this empire is not going to last for many more years,,,,,,to match the British Empire. their posts are boring me to tears..... better not to bother, as they do not read anything to learn and wake up from their sleep.

I just wonder would they ever pay their mountain of debts?

Probably yes by killing more people in poor countries.

BillyB

I suggest you to search and read the history about Venezuela........and USA.

BTW can you travel back to your country?

 tiphat
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on May 05, 2019, 09:53:52 AM

Thanks AvHdB and BillyB for the effort to educate the brainwashed and zombies still believing in merits of Communist Dictatorships

I suggest you to search and read the history about Venezuela

FTFY and

Follow your own advice you sad clueless old man.

In 1992 Venezuela was a healthy, happy and prosperous nation.

Then they believed the poppycock of Socialism/Communism and they’re now desperate, eating rats, starving and being murdered in cold blood by thug Maduro.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: AvHdB on May 05, 2019, 12:30:04 PM
Wiz, dear chap it has nothing to do with capitalism or America. There is a rich tradition of this in Central and South America. The despot Maduro and before him Chavez have royally screwed there own people. If Venezuela had followed a Norwegian or even a Cuban economic model NONE of the present misery would have occurred.

Wiz you have head so far up the ass of Global Research that you can not see reality from a field of unicorns. Why not do some research into this group and come back to RUA with your findings? It is disturbing evidence.


He’s truly clueless on this one, huh?!!

Not quite clueless. My guess is it is the lack of responsibility and accepting that the fault lies with your own actions. Wiz will blame everyone else, mostly America, for the troubles of the world.

A time ago he refused to look at the responsibility that Greece had in its own downfall and instead blamed Germany and the Zionist bankers or was it World Bank. Never quite sure what record Wiz is playing. This is more of the same BS.


Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: BillyB on May 05, 2019, 12:39:25 PM
BTW can you travel back to your country?


Yes I can. Although Vietnam is still run by a Communist government, they and America are on very friendly terms. Most people in Vietnam live in extreme poverty but it's not because America has sanctions on them.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: andrewfi on May 05, 2019, 01:13:08 PM

Andrew, when Hugo Chavez took power, he seized American and European companies oil projects over there. He then seized land and assets belonging to American and European companies. He allow some Russian interests to remain. Chavez made his enemies and chose his friends. He is responsible for where his country is at now.

If a nation seized the assets of your family, would you continue to do business with that nation? Normal people wouldn't. America is normal.

So, then, notwithstanding what your dear leaders are telling you - in your opinion, Venezuela should be attacked because they nationalized some businesses? That's enough for you to condemn a nation to starvation and violence caused by the actions of the United States. Let's export some of them killing fields to South America, eh?

The United States is not (just) stopping doing business with Venezuela!
Go do some learning and quit the fantasies.
Given your heritage, what you are saying here is disgusting.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: BillyB on May 05, 2019, 01:28:32 PM
in your opinion, Venezuela should be attacked because they nationalized some businesses? That's enough for you to condemn a nation to starvation and violence caused by the actions of the United States. Let's export some of them killing fields to South America, eh?


Andrew, if you stole from my family, I couldn't care less if you are starving and getting your ass kicked.

There's millions of Venezuelans that are calling on America to stop the problems in their country or should I say the guy/government that is causing the problems. Lots of refugees going to bordering nations and those bordering nations are wanting America's cooperation in stopping the crisis. You seem to have a different idea on who's causing the problem. If Venezuela's quality of life depends on America as you and Wiz imply, then they should not be biting off the hand that feeds them. Chavez and Maduro thought China and Russia would be an adequate substitute to take care of Venezuela. It's not working out too well for them.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: AvHdB on May 05, 2019, 02:09:55 PM
It is on one side amusing but in reality sick the double standard of Wiz and Andrew espouse. America should not comment on the genocide in/of Chechnya and when the situation is in the Western Hemisphere than America is the bully.

Please why not try using simple common sense. You are being pathetic.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on May 05, 2019, 03:08:10 PM
It is on one side amusing but in reality sick the double standard of Wiz and Andrew espouse. America should not comment on the genocide in/of Chechnya and when the situation is in the Western Hemisphere than America is the bully.

Please why not try using simple common sense. You are being pathetic.


Wiz is old, stubborn and likely suffering from onset dementia.

Andrew I suspect is getting paid for every anti-American pro-Russian paragraph of drivel.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: cufflinks on May 06, 2019, 12:33:45 PM
This will insure Wiz and Afi's Brains boil and Heads Explode!

The SHTF is a real possibility according to the latest Strategic Intelligence Newsletter:

Russian Nukes in Venezuela? Don’t Rule It Out

Are there Russian nuclear weapons in Venezuela today? According to this article, the answer is yes. I’m not so sure myself. The sourcing in this article is from a single member of Congress who does not offer any proof to back up the claim.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8977662/russia-nuke-missiles-venezuela-cuban-missile-crisis/

Still, the presence of nukes in Venezuela is a possibility that cannot be dismissed out of hand. Here’s what we do know. Some Russian troops (called “little green men” because they are uniformed in unmarked green jumpsuits) are present in Venezuela as are over 20,000 highly trained Cuban troops. Russian nuclear bombers (Tu-160s) landed in Caracas last December. It’s not clear if they carried nuclear weapons or not, but that is certainly possible. The U.S. has called for Nicolás Maduro to leave Venezuela, but Russia and Cuba (with China behind the scenes) have been instrumental in urging Maduro to stay in place. The recent “revolution in the streets” led by opposition leader Juan Guaidó failed miserably on May 1, 2019, with several casualties. The U.S. could apply force to oust Maduro (using Special Operations Command) if the only opposition came from the Venezuelan army. But with Russia and Cuban troops forming a Praetorian Guard around Maduro, the risks of escalation and direct confrontation between Russia and the U.S. are too high. The situation now is a political stalemate, but the starvation and misery of the Venezuelan people are all too real. My forecast is that the situation is not near a resolution and will get much worse before it is resolved. Markets are scarcely paying attention to this story. They should.

Newsflash Nukes in any Volatile Unpredictable Banana Republic wil NOT be tolerated.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: dcguyusa on May 06, 2019, 06:30:52 PM
Another Caribbean missile crisis?   :chuckle:

US has also sanctioned trade against Iran, DPRK, Empire of Japan, and Nazi Germany, so all of that was unjustified because it is disrupting their economies?   ???

I visited Venezuela in 1991.  Downtown traffic in Caracas was TERRIBLE (worse than anywhere in the USA that I have visited).  At least now with no economy, the traffic situation should have improved.   :chuckle:
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Wiz on May 06, 2019, 07:06:22 PM
This will insure Wiz and Afi's Brains boil and Heads Explode!

The SHTF is a real possibility according to the latest Strategic Intelligence Newsletter:

Russian Nukes in Venezuela? Don’t Rule It Out

Are there Russian nuclear weapons in Venezuela today? According to this article, the answer is yes. I’m not so sure myself. The sourcing in this article is from a single member of Congress who does not offer any proof to back up the claim.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8977662/russia-nuke-missiles-venezuela-cuban-missile-crisis/

Still, the presence of nukes in Venezuela is a possibility that cannot be dismissed out of hand. Here’s what we do know. Some Russian troops (called “little green men” because they are uniformed in unmarked green jumpsuits) are present in Venezuela as are over 20,000 highly trained Cuban troops. Russian nuclear bombers (Tu-160s) landed in Caracas last December. It’s not clear if they carried nuclear weapons or not, but that is certainly possible. The U.S. has called for Nicolás Maduro to leave Venezuela, but Russia and Cuba (with China behind the scenes) have been instrumental in urging Maduro to stay in place. The recent “revolution in the streets” led by opposition leader Juan Guaidó failed miserably on May 1, 2019, with several casualties.

The U.S. could apply force to oust Maduro (using Special Operations Command) if the only opposition came from the Venezuelan army. But with Russia and Cuban troops forming a Praetorian Guard around Maduro, the risks of escalation and direct confrontation between Russia and the U.S. are too high. The situation now is a political stalemate, but the starvation and misery of the Venezuelan people are all too real. My forecast is that the situation is not near a resolution and will get much worse before it is resolved. Markets are scarcely paying attention to this story. They should.

Newsflash Nukes in any Volatile Unpredictable Banana Republic wil NOT be tolerated.

Cuffi

Looks that your brain will be on fire,  if you sit back and start thinking logically.

Don't pay attention to "Confederate's" comments...... he is not only rude.... but also brain dead. I have many times pointed out to him....and others  (http://www.yannis.me.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/attack.png) but he still insists.... and you know what I call people that insist doing the same mistake ...
ASK Moby..... :fighting0025:

Now to put your mind working and on the right track, start from the beginning.... here is a little hint.........

"Hidden Currency and $64 Billion of Chinese Funds Turned Venezuela back to the Levels of 1970"

Maduro for now it's well protected.........so what can you do?

It's very late, so I am off to sleep and you have time to solve the puzzle. Tomorrow or next day if I have time....I may write to you the story behind the Venezuela puzzle.

I gave you a hint....Good night!

 :Zzzzsleep:
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Wiz on May 07, 2019, 05:07:09 AM
If Venezuela had followed a Norwegian or even a Cuban economic model NONE of the present misery would have occurred.
Agree partly, BUT USA has attacked the country financially, with sanctions etc...... Read your own us sources.


Wiz you have head so far up the ass of Global Research that you can not see reality from a field of unicorns. Why not do some research into this group and come back to RUA with your findings? It is disturbing evidence.

As you have done the research why don't you let me know/have your findings?

 :coffeeread:
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on May 07, 2019, 08:08:36 AM
If Venezuela had followed a Norwegian or even a Cuban economic model NONE of the present misery would have occurred.
Agree partly, BUT USA has attacked the country financially, with sanctions etc...... Read your own us sources.


Wiz you have head so far up the ass of Global Research that you can not see reality from a field of unicorns. Why not do some research into this group and come back to RUA with your findings? It is disturbing evidence.

As you have done the research why don't you let me know/have your findings?

 :coffeeread:

2tallbill has already previously rebutted all of your nonsense yet you persist in posting more gibberish propaganda.

I’ll dig up his posts and add an additional opinion of my own later when I have time.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on May 07, 2019, 10:44:23 AM
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/05/05/putin-is-ready-to-give-up-venezuela-for-the-right-price-a65487
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Wiz on May 07, 2019, 02:21:34 PM
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/05/05/putin-is-ready-to-give-up-venezuela-for-the-right-price-a65487

DO you know who is the REAL OWNER of Moscow Times?

I don't!...... ???
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: AvHdB on May 07, 2019, 02:41:41 PM
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/05/05/putin-is-ready-to-give-up-venezuela-for-the-right-price-a65487

DO you know who is the REAL OWNER of Moscow Times?

I don't!...... ???

Before I recall it was a Western Media group but some five to maybe even ten years ago ownership and controll shifted to a pro Kremlin group. A number of reporters left at this time in protest.

Today it might only be an online publication.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Wiz on May 07, 2019, 03:06:12 PM
Confederate and AV

Read article.and watch the video.......

Venezuela Coup Fails - An Initial Post-Mortem (https://russia-insider.com/en/venezuela-coup-fails-initial-post-mortem/ri26920)

Enjoy reading the comments.

Moscow Times used to publish a paper.... now it's only an internet site, based somewhere in the Caribbean........... So who pays them the Piper?????????????
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: BillyB on May 07, 2019, 08:27:29 PM
Before I recall it was a Western Media group but some five to maybe even ten years ago ownership and controll shifted to a pro Kremlin group. A number of reporters left at this time in protest.

Today it might only be an online publication.


A few years ago, Russia change the law to say no more than 20% of media companies in Russia can be owned by foreigners. This new law severely punished some media organizations. Moscow Times moved their operations to the Netherlands but since they continue to distribute news in Russia, they sold 81% of their stake to two Russians to comply with the new law. Check out recent history in link below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Moscow_Times
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on May 09, 2019, 09:24:53 AM
Hawkins of Breitbart on Maduro and gun control.
Every. Single. Time.

Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: cufflinks on May 09, 2019, 02:52:19 PM
Confederate - please also post in the Americans and Guns thread - sure to make a lot of pacifistic blokes heads explode across the pond and wherever!
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: cufflinks on May 09, 2019, 02:59:41 PM
This will insure Wiz and Afi's Brains boil and Heads Explode!

The SHTF is a real possibility according to the latest Strategic Intelligence Newsletter:

Russian Nukes in Venezuela? Don’t Rule It Out

Are there Russian nuclear weapons in Venezuela today? According to this article, the answer is yes. I’m not so sure myself. The sourcing in this article is from a single member of Congress who does not offer any proof to back up the claim.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8977662/russia-nuke-missiles-venezuela-cuban-missile-crisis/

Still, the presence of nukes in Venezuela is a possibility that cannot be dismissed out of hand. Here’s what we do know. Some Russian troops (called “little green men” because they are uniformed in unmarked green jumpsuits) are present in Venezuela as are over 20,000 highly trained Cuban troops. Russian nuclear bombers (Tu-160s) landed in Caracas last December. It’s not clear if they carried nuclear weapons or not, but that is certainly possible. The U.S. has called for Nicolás Maduro to leave Venezuela, but Russia and Cuba (with China behind the scenes) have been instrumental in urging Maduro to stay in place. The recent “revolution in the streets” led by opposition leader Juan Guaidó failed miserably on May 1, 2019, with several casualties.

The U.S. could apply force to oust Maduro (using Special Operations Command) if the only opposition came from the Venezuelan army. But with Russia and Cuban troops forming a Praetorian Guard around Maduro, the risks of escalation and direct confrontation between Russia and the U.S. are too high. The situation now is a political stalemate, but the starvation and misery of the Venezuelan people are all too real. My forecast is that the situation is not near a resolution and will get much worse before it is resolved. Markets are scarcely paying attention to this story. They should.

Newsflash Nukes in any Volatile Unpredictable Banana Republic wil NOT be tolerated.

Cuffi

Looks that your brain will be on fire,  if you sit back and start thinking logically.

Don't pay attention to "Confederate's" comments...... he is not only rude.... but also brain dead. I have many times pointed out to him....and others  (http://www.yannis.me.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/attack.png) but he still insists.... and you know what I call people that insist doing the same mistake ...
ASK Moby..... :fighting0025:

Now to put your mind working and on the right track, start from the beginning.... here is a little hint.........

"Hidden Currency and $64 Billion of Chinese Funds Turned Venezuela back to the Levels of 1970"

Maduro for now it's well protected.........so what can you do?

It's very late, so I am off to sleep and you have time to solve the puzzle. Tomorrow or next day if I have time....I may write to you the story behind the Venezuela puzzle.

I gave you a hint....Good night!

 :Zzzzsleep:

So What the Phock Can the USA Masters of the Universe and Beyond Do our Greek Marxist Socialist Friend Asks?

25% Tariffs to go into effect on 250 Billion$ of Chinese Junk Exports this week and then 25% on all $500 Billions$ of Chinese Junk Exports to follow soon thereafter... and the fact is the USA then just buys more Quality Stuff from Korea, Japan, EU, Canada, and our Latin American neighbors IF the Chinese raise prices.  Chinese still stunned and amazed that their control and bribery of the DSA CPUSA and their MSM minions have not worked so they are desperate to make a deal shockingly even on TRUMP's fully reciprocal terms and the dirty secret is the Chinese government has been absorbing the losses to retain market share  - turns out the Communist Freaking Red Chinese have been TRUMPED by Tarriffs as it was their Chinese Red Commie Achilles heel right along so any talks that Tarrifs hurt the USA Consumer is MSM Marxist Socialist Communist PROPAGANDA so BTFOOHMF!
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Wiz on May 09, 2019, 05:47:31 PM
Cuffi….

The more you post your views about USA investments, Tariffs, Sanctions etc the more you prove/expose to your Greek - Marxist - Socialist Friend and the world the real panic and terror that has dissented and embroiled the US economy and  admin and the Casino gangsters. You Mafia representative, President “Tramp”, I read today, that he has a big problem in his personal wealth…… from the various Business he owns. Last year they lost $1 Billion. How many more times can he go bankrupt to avoid paying his debts?

The USA economy is running and depends on a perpetual debt, which today stands at $23 Trillion Dollars. Obviously US have no intention to pay its debts and you may soon discover that all these hard tactics, sanctions and Tariffs, around the world will comeback and bite your ass. So for how long more you can continue on the same line? Soon you will discover that these investors who buy American Government Bond will start selling their investments and go to safer places……

Today the US have arrested a North Korea boat and I am waiting to see how Fat Kim will react. He can very easily strike a rocket in your S Korea of Japan bases……….

China doesn’t give a shit about your threads and sanctions. They can start offloading their holdings in $ dollars and then will see the real US economy sinking.

Haven’t you realised that most products you are selling inside USA were build in China?

Have you noticed what measures Vladimir Putin put in place against your threads and attacks to their economy of natural resources? He has accumulated more than 10 $ Billion Gold and is using all his income in Dollars to buy Gold.  He has also managed to buy and hold 51% of the US Uranium production.

Did you hear the statement from the Iranians….. only 60 days for the US to behave……and what about the EU and Germany sanctions?

About Venezuela, I gave you a Hint but seems you do not have a clue of what is going on there!

(http://www.yannis.me.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/have_nice_day.gif)
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: andrewfi on May 10, 2019, 04:21:25 AM
Cufflinks, when your carer goes to the shops to buy your new bundle of sanitary products does he intentionally buy the lowest quality he can find?

Unless he really hates you and enjoys cleaning up the mess, he will not. He will buy the best he can afford within his budget.

Now, extend your sanitary needs to the wider economy and ask a similar question: when a consumer goes to buy a product does he intentionally buy the lowest quality product he can find or does he buy the best available within his budget?

The answer, for rational people, is the latter.

So, when your carer, or even you, go and buys a product that was manufactured in China it will be the best available within your budget. Your budget tends to not care too much where stuff is made.

When tariffs are imposed and prices go up, how much of your needs will be sourced from Vietnam, Japan, Korea etc.? In truth, very little. That's because those products do not exist, if they did, they'd already be sold at the same or very similar price to the Chinese goods that you now imagine will be substituted - that's how a free market works.

What will happen is that tariffs set a new lower floor for pricing. The Chinese products will be on the shelves, just as they are now. Products that exist on the market at a higher price, presumably with higher quality will raise their prices to keep a differential and, whatever happens, U.S. consumers will be paying more for the goods they buy. All that revenue will flow to the U.S. government. You are being taxed and you do not realise it.

I know that I am not the first to make this point: it might be that the Trump White House is entirely happy to have sanctions and tariffs in place because they improve the revenue to the state without having to raise taxes. Problem is that you poor mugs are paying money to the government as if you were being taxed and none of you has the wit to moan about it.

The United States is the only country in the world where the Turkeys routinely vote for Christmas (or Thanksgiving).
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Wiz on May 10, 2019, 06:49:41 AM
Cufflinks,

I know that I am not the first to make this point: it might be that the Trump White House is entirely happy to have sanctions and tariffs in place because they improve the revenue to the state without having to raise taxes. Problem is that you poor mugs are paying money to the government as if you were being taxed and none of you has the wit to moan about it.


The United States is the only country in the world where the Turkeys routinely vote for Christmas (or Thanksgiving). 

(http://www.yannis.me.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/Laughing_on_floor.gif)    (http://www.yannis.me.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/Laughing_on_floor.gif)    (http://www.yannis.me.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/Laughing_on_floor.gif)    (http://www.yannis.me.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/kringeln.gif)   (http://www.yannis.me.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/Laughing_on_floor.gif)
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: AvHdB on May 10, 2019, 08:05:24 AM

So, when your carer, or even you, go and buys a product that was manufactured in China it will be the best available within your budget. Your budget tends to not care too much where stuff is made.

When tariffs are imposed and prices go up, how much of your needs will be sourced from Vietnam, Japan, Korea etc.? In truth, very little. That's because those products do not exist, if they did, they'd already be sold at the same or very similar price to the Chinese goods that you now imagine will be substituted - that's how a free market works.

OKAY I am the first to admit it I am in the minority. But I do look at where products are made and I will buy a Fes/Metabo tool (Germany) over some crap from China. Even if it's branded from an American company.

Likewise I will buy a Ralph Lauren shirt that is made in the far east, but not China over any other garment. The company has stated they do not use prison labour and pay there employees a fair wage. For suits I prefer Burberry or Hickey Freeman which are made in the United States.

So some will look at the place of manufacturing & decide accordingly.

Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Lord of the Dance on May 10, 2019, 08:39:13 AM
Hawkins of Breitbart on Maduro and gun control.
Every. Single. Time.


The bearded guy makes a good point.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: BillyB on May 10, 2019, 09:46:01 PM

Nike shoes are both made in Vietnam and China. Nike shoes in China may increase in price. More and more people will choose Nike made in Vietnam. Washing machines, dryers, and vacuum cleaners will go up in price. Some people may not buy if too expensive. More and more factories are leaving China. Due to customer demands, importers are going to demand China's manufactures to sell their product cheaper either by lowering the price or making it cheaper elsewhere.

A little pain now for a better future is worth it. Trump should not give an inch to China when it comes to protecting our intellectual property and equalizing trade.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Markje on May 11, 2019, 03:35:10 AM

A little pain now for a better future is worth it. Trump should not give an inch to China when it comes to protecting our intellectual property and equalizing trade.

But for some brands its a blessing, I heard in Dutch news that in the last reliable/safety tests, the Landwind (Cheap chinese Knockoff) scored better than the original (Land Rover).
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on May 11, 2019, 10:14:19 AM

A little pain now for a better future is worth it. Trump should not give an inch to China when it comes to protecting our intellectual property and equalizing trade.

But for some brands its a blessing, I heard in Dutch news that in the last reliable/safety tests, the Landwind (Cheap chinese Knockoff) scored better than the original (Land Rover).

Competition is a good thing, no doubt.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: cufflinks on May 11, 2019, 11:09:17 AM
Cufflinks, when your carer goes to the shops to buy your new bundle of sanitary products does he intentionally buy the lowest quality he can find?

Unless he really hates you and enjoys cleaning up the mess, he will not. He will buy the best he can afford within his budget.

Now, extend your sanitary needs to the wider economy and ask a similar question: when a consumer goes to buy a product does he intentionally buy the lowest quality product he can find or does he buy the best available within his budget?

The answer, for rational people, is the latter.

So, when your carer, or even you, go and buys a product that was manufactured in China it will be the best available within your budget. Your budget tends to not care too much where stuff is made.

When tariffs are imposed and prices go up, how much of your needs will be sourced from Vietnam, Japan, Korea etc.? In truth, very little. That's because those products do not exist, if they did, they'd already be sold at the same or very similar price to the Chinese goods that you now imagine will be substituted - that's how a free market works.

What will happen is that tariffs set a new lower floor for pricing. The Chinese products will be on the shelves, just as they are now. Products that exist on the market at a higher price, presumably with higher quality will raise their prices to keep a differential and, whatever happens, U.S. consumers will be paying more for the goods they buy. All that revenue will flow to the U.S. government. You are being taxed and you do not realise it.

I know that I am not the first to make this point: it might be that the Trump White House is entirely happy to have sanctions and tariffs in place because they improve the revenue to the state without having to raise taxes. Problem is that you poor mugs are paying money to the government as if you were being taxed and none of you has the wit to moan about it.

The United States is the only country in the world where the Turkeys routinely vote for Christmas (or Thanksgiving).

Trump Plays Hardball With China on Trade

This entire post and premise by Afi is proof that he has subscribed completely to the Chinese Communist Manifesto...  Force workers into modern slave dormitories often beginning at 14 years of age, force them to work 7 days per week 17 hour days with no days off and zero workers rights and zero workers safety and zero environmental protections.  Protections that the average Euro or Anglospheric workers take for granted, use every despicable, inscrutable underhanded subterfuge to undermine the Targeted Free and Fair market Countries (Undermining Free and Fair markets Employing No workers rights, No Workers Safety, No Environmental protections, Massive Currency manipulations, and Intellectual Property Theft ad nauseum)...

The idea that Euros/Anglos who claim to champion workers rights and safety and clean air, water, and anti-global warming would enthusiastically buy the cheapest manufactured slave labor Chinese junk that basically craps out within a year by maltreated workers in modern industrial slave labor camps at the point of the CPLArmy's guns proves that modern Euro/Anglos have merely transplanted the one economic model that has worked for them for the past 10,000 years, Conquest, Subjugation and Slavery - anyone who defends the Chinese Red Communists means and methods have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt they are a modern-day Deviant, Despicable, Degenerate, Disgusting Communist Slave Labor exploiter of the Masses. 

As for Andrews constant condescension to everyone on this board regarding what their caregivers should do for them - clearly a classic case of psychological projection of his own mental health issues onto everyone else.

If you support Communists, defend Communists, make excuses for Communists, buy from Communist Freaking Red Chinese industrial Slave Labor factories you are in fact a COMMUNIST and are the mortal enemies of all free thinking freedom loving people - the Communist Red Chinese are buying up Euro Ports and properties to support their belt and roads initiative which is a Chinese Communist Loan Shark Diplomatic scheme to invade and control Europe and implement the Communist Chinese One Party Rule and Social Credit slavery system from Europe to Hong Kong... 

You lot have chosen a bleak future indeed, whereas the USA and our Heroic President Trump has chosen to fight and destroy the Communist Chinese Social and Labor Slavery system at the roots.

When Chuck Schumer senior US Senator from New York is Tweeting to President Trump to stay the course fighting the Chinese Communists abuse of our markets and systematic intellectual property theft the Chinese would be wise to realize that they have poked a Giant Grizzly bear in the eye for the last time and are now facing the fact that they have awoken a sleeping Giant into a terrible resolve.  Just look at an FXI ETF Chart from April 2019 (When China began hedging its Trade Commitments) till now - the 60+/- Largest Chinese Industrials are in an economic freefall...  Free markets can be manipulated in the short run but do not lie in the long run.

Truly amazing that just 75 years after the end of the Great Patriotic War all of Europe has morphed from hardened fighters into marshmallow pacifists and descended into mass Marxist, Socialist Pro Chinese Red Communist MADNESS!
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: andrewfi on May 11, 2019, 12:21:29 PM
All those words to try to hide that you don't even know how tarrifs work.
 :'(
Don't worry, you are not alone, your president gets confused about the subject as well.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on May 11, 2019, 01:33:51 PM
All those words to try to hide that you don't even know how tarrifs work.
 :'(
Don't worry, you are not alone, your president gets confused about the subject as well.

Oh but you’re wrong.

He knows that he’s increasing revenues to the US Treasury while simultaneously putting the Chinese on notice that we won’t put up with their theft of US intellectual property nor do we need to trade with them.

The usual suspects will whine but a majority of Americans are willing to pay higher prices in order to regain national sovereignty.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on May 11, 2019, 01:41:03 PM
Back on topic.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/world/crowds-decline-at-venezuela-protests-amid-fears-of-crackdown.amp
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Manny on May 11, 2019, 05:05:36 PM
Quote from: Cuffy
Force workers into modern slave dormitories often beginning at 14 years of age, force them to work 7 days per week 17 hour days with no days off and zero workers rights and zero workers safety and zero environmental protection

Clearly, Cuffy has never been in a Chinese factory. I was in one a few weeks ago and it was nothing like he describes.

This is what American fake news does to you, people.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on May 11, 2019, 06:34:10 PM
Quote from: Cuffy
Force workers into modern slave dormitories often beginning at 14 years of age, force them to work 7 days per week 17 hour days with no days off and zero workers rights and zero workers safety and zero environmental protection

Clearly, Cuffy has never been in a Chinese factory. I was in one a few weeks ago and it was nothing like he describes.

This is what American fake news does to you, people.

Have you ever considered that you might have been shown what they want you to see?

No doubt Cuffy was exaggerating however there were indeed suicides from the Apple iphone work place.

It's not "fake news" to say that the Chinese have indeed been overworking workers yet the degree to which it's done is the question.


https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jun/18/foxconn-life-death-forbidden-city-longhua-suicide-apple-iphone-brian-merchant-one-device-extract


8 people per room in a Foxconn dormitory room at Longhua
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/867924f341237c32bb74e99dfc9d85dd68916320/0_367_5616_3370/master/5616.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=3b7eb2f83460ba2fae197ef6a9659d79)
Title: Cuffy - A very desperate Hypocrite US Capitalist
Post by: Wiz on May 11, 2019, 06:36:03 PM


This entire post and premise by Afi is proof that he has subscribed completely to the Chinese Communist Manifesto...  Force workers into modern slave dormitories often beginning at 14 years of age, force them to work 7 days per week 17 hour days with no days off and zero workers rights and zero workers safety and zero environmental protections.  Protections that the average Euro or Anglospheric workers take for granted, use every despicable, inscrutable underhanded subterfuge to undermine the Targeted Free and Fair market Countries (Undermining Free and Fair markets Employing No workers rights, No Workers Safety, No Environmental protections, Massive Currency manipulations, and Intellectual Property Theft ad nauseum)...

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

He doesn't like competition ... and the vulcher state want to be alone when devouring other smaller Nations of it's assets.

Certainly a desperate outburst from a guilty and hypocritical Capitalist who suddenly realised that his Empire is going soon to crash under his feet and is trying his last chance for survival. For your info, it was his country who planned and executed the plan to destroy my birth country and steal all its natural resources and other assets.  >:(

The killing fields of innocent people, he is describing, have been reduced in numbers and the actual charitable leadership of his empire is at the bottom level. Now the Hegemon has competition and it doesn't like it!  :evilgrin0002:

The idea that Euros/Anglos who claim to champion workers rights and safety and clean air, water, and anti-global warming would enthusiastically buy the cheapest manufactured slave labor Chinese junk that basically craps out within a year by maltreated workers in modern industrial slave labor camps at the point of the CPLArmy's guns proves that modern Euro/Anglos have merely transplanted the one economic model that has worked for them for the past 10,000 years, Conquest, Subjugation and Slavery - anyone who defends the Chinese Red Communists means and methods have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt they are a modern-day Deviant, Despicable, Degenerate, Disgusting Communist Slave Labor exploiter of the Masses. 

As for Andrews constant condescension to everyone on this board regarding what their caregivers should do for them - clearly a classic case of psychological projection of his own mental health issues onto everyone else.
[/b]

 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: THe Pot calling the Kettle BLACK!

If you support Communists, defend Communists, make excuses for Communists, buy from Communist Freaking Red Chinese industrial Slave Labor factories you are in fact a COMMUNIST and are the mortal enemies of all free thinking freedom loving people - the Communist Red Chinese are buying up Euro Ports and properties to support their belt and roads initiative which is a Chinese Communist Loan Shark Diplomatic scheme to invade and control Europe and implement the Communist Chinese One Party Rule and Social Credit slavery system from Europe to Hong Kong... 

You lot have chosen a bleak future indeed, whereas the USA and our Heroic President Trump has chosen to fight and destroy the Communist Chinese Social and Labor Slavery system at the roots.

When Chuck Schumer senior US Senator from New York is Tweeting to President Trump to stay the course fighting the Chinese Communists abuse of our markets and systematic intellectual property theft the Chinese would be wise to realize that they have poked a Giant Grizzly bear in the eye for the last time and are now facing the fact that they have awoken a sleeping Giant into a terrible resolve.  Just look at an FXI ETF Chart from April 2019 (When China began hedging its Trade Commitments) till now - the 60+/- Largest Chinese Industrials are in an economic freefall...  Free markets can be manipulated in the short run but do not lie in the long run.

Truly amazing that just 75 years after the end of the Great Patriotic War all of Europe has morphed from hardened fighters into marshmallow pacifists and descended into mass Marxist, Socialist Pro Chinese Red Communist MADNESS!

And the desperate Capitalist continues……crying his bad luck.

That remind me of Hitler’s Nero Degree - Another Tale from the All-Lies
 
(http://www.renegadetribune.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Bild2-800x445.png)

 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Title: Re: Wiz and his selective history!
Post by: AvHdB on May 11, 2019, 06:48:31 PM

For your info, it was his country who planned and executed the plan to destroy my birth country and steal all its natural resources and other assets.

The killing fields of innocent people, he is describing, have been reduced in numbers and the actual charitable leadership of his empire is at the bottom level. Now the Hegemon has competition and it doesn't like it!

Wiz please share with RUA what natural resources Greece has. Hairy women, ancient marbles, shipping magnets.

Curious, Wiz ever hear of Chechnya? How many innocent people died there?
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: msmoby on May 12, 2019, 03:19:02 AM
Cafeful, AvHdB!

You could have your posts 'lost' for pointing out stuff folks want buried when comparing with the 'nasty' Ukrainians in Donbass.!

As for Greek women...I wish to defend them ...in comparison with their Hellenic cousins in Cyprus...they are 'follicle free' ))



Title: Re: Wiz and his selective history!
Post by: Wiz on May 12, 2019, 04:33:53 AM

For your info, it was his country who planned and executed the plan to destroy my birth country and steal all its natural resources and other assets.

The killing fields of innocent people, he is describing, have been reduced in numbers and the actual charitable leadership of his empire is at the bottom level. Now the Hegemon has competition and it doesn't like it!

Wiz please share with RUA what natural resources Greece has. Hairy women, ancient marbles, shipping magnets.

Curious, Wiz ever hear of Chechnya? How many innocent people died there?

Yes it is true that Greece has the largest fleet of commercial boats and occupies the No 1 Position in the world. Many Mineral resources including Aluminium, Uranium etc.    (Make your own Search!!!)

Already extracting Oil in small numbers because the US Master's, despite all the existence of researches and other studies.....since the end of the WWII, have never allowed Greece to take advantage due to the lack of the necessary equipment and Money needed to start any real exploitation. The American's who have the necessary equipment and money will do it when it suits them!

Greece has an abundance of ancient history/Marbles and civilization which was the Base of our current civilization. No need for me to brag.....everybody know it except YOU!

Finally Greece has the 4 S's to Offer you and everybody else.

SUN - SAND - SEA- & SEX. Plenty of it and that is why your women visit Greece.

The fact that you mention Hairy women it tells me that you have never visited Greece neither you have met any  modern western women or any woman for that matter......... I guess your Ukrainian friend was just a friend, a passing cloud and you never smell the flower!

Yes I have heard about Chechnya but I don't know the number of deaths there.

As it happens, I also know what happened in Palestine before and after 1948.

Endless War (https://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/04/books/review/Margolick-t.html)

Of course The Nakba did not start or end in 1948 (https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/05/nakba-start-1948-170522073908625.html)

I hope you are well educated now........ but if you need to know anymore, don't hesitate to ask politely!

 :P tiphat
Title: Re: Wiz and his selective history!
Post by: AvHdB on May 12, 2019, 06:10:30 AM
Quote from: Wiz link=topic=27990.msg493714#msg493714 date

The fact that you mention Hairy women it tells me that you have never visited Greece neither you have met any  modern western women or any woman for that matter......... I guess your Ukrainian friend was just a friend, a passing cloud and you never smell the flower!


Wiz, Yes you are correct my knowledge of Greek women is limited to a half dozen or so. The fist girl I knew was when I was 17 or 18 Mary.  Was harrie Mary as nick name and she was indeed harrie, but she had a gentle soul. The one Greek girl that I know quite well has a Dutch father and she is very tall and smart. The other four or so are just dark-haired boring women from Greece. They would like to be in the kitchen making babies.

We usually on RUA don't discuss our relationships and I find it offensive ~  :censored:  off!
Title: Re: Wiz and his selective history!
Post by: Contrarian on May 12, 2019, 06:58:13 AM
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Quote from: Wiz link=topic=27990.msg493714#msg493714 date

The fact that you mention Hairy women it tells me that you have never visited Greece neither you have met any  modern western women or any woman for that matter......... I guess your Ukrainian friend was just a friend, a passing cloud and you never smell the flower!


Wiz, Yes you are correct my knowledge of Greek women is limited to a half dozen or so. The fist girl I knew was when I was 17 or 18 Mary.  Was hairy Mary as nick name and she was indeed hairy, but she had a gentle soul. The one Greek girl that I know quite well has a Dutch father and she is very tall and smart. The other four or so are just dark-haired boring women from Greece. They would like to be in the kitchen cooking or in the bedroom making babies.

We usually on RUA don't discuss our relationships and I find it offensive ~  :censored:  off!

I added a few words and corrected a couple of spelling errors.  :)
Title: Re: Cuffy - A very desperate Hypocrite US Capitalist
Post by: cufflinks on May 12, 2019, 11:12:43 AM


This entire post and premise by Afi is proof that he has subscribed completely to the Chinese Communist Manifesto...  Force workers into modern slave dormitories often beginning at 14 years of age, force them to work 7 days per week 17 hour days with no days off and zero workers rights and zero workers safety and zero environmental protections.  Protections that the average Euro or Anglospheric workers take for granted, use every despicable, inscrutable underhanded subterfuge to undermine the Targeted Free and Fair market Countries (Undermining Free and Fair markets Employing No workers rights, No Workers Safety, No Environmental protections, Massive Currency manipulations, and Intellectual Property Theft ad nauseum)...

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

He doesn't like competition ... and the vulcher state want to be alone when devouring other smaller Nations of it's assets.

Certainly a desperate outburst from a guilty and hypocritical Capitalist who suddenly realised that his Empire is going soon to crash under his feet and is trying his last chance for survival. For your info, it was his country who planned and executed the plan to destroy my birth country and steal all its natural resources and other assets.  >:(

The killing fields of innocent people, he is describing, have been reduced in numbers and the actual charitable leadership of his empire is at the bottom level. Now the Hegemon has competition and it doesn't like it!  :evilgrin0002:

The idea that Euros/Anglos who claim to champion workers rights and safety and clean air, water, and anti-global warming would enthusiastically buy the cheapest manufactured slave labor Chinese junk that basically craps out within a year by maltreated workers in modern industrial slave labor camps at the point of the CPLArmy's guns proves that modern Euro/Anglos have merely transplanted the one economic model that has worked for them for the past 10,000 years, Conquest, Subjugation and Slavery - anyone who defends the Chinese Red Communists means and methods have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt they are a modern-day Deviant, Despicable, Degenerate, Disgusting Communist Slave Labor exploiter of the Masses. 

As for Andrews constant condescension to everyone on this board regarding what their caregivers should do for them - clearly a classic case of psychological projection of his own mental health issues onto everyone else.
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 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: THe Pot calling the Kettle BLACK!

If you support Communists, defend Communists, make excuses for Communists, buy from Communist Freaking Red Chinese industrial Slave Labor factories you are in fact a COMMUNIST and are the mortal enemies of all free thinking freedom loving people - the Communist Red Chinese are buying up Euro Ports and properties to support their belt and roads initiative which is a Chinese Communist Loan Shark Diplomatic scheme to invade and control Europe and implement the Communist Chinese One Party Rule and Social Credit slavery system from Europe to Hong Kong... 

You lot have chosen a bleak future indeed, whereas the USA and our Heroic President Trump has chosen to fight and destroy the Communist Chinese Social and Labor Slavery system at the roots.

When Chuck Schumer senior US Senator from New York is Tweeting to President Trump to stay the course fighting the Chinese Communists abuse of our markets and systematic intellectual property theft the Chinese would be wise to realize that they have poked a Giant Grizzly bear in the eye for the last time and are now facing the fact that they have awoken a sleeping Giant into a terrible resolve.  Just look at an FXI ETF Chart from April 2019 (When China began hedging its Trade Commitments) till now - the 60+/- Largest Chinese Industrials are in an economic freefall...  Free markets can be manipulated in the short run but do not lie in the long run.

Truly amazing that just 75 years after the end of the Great Patriotic War all of Europe has morphed from hardened fighters into marshmallow pacifists and descended into mass Marxist, Socialist Pro Chinese Red Communist MADNESS!

And the desperate Capitalist continues……crying his bad luck.

That remind me of Hitler’s Nero Degree - Another Tale from the All-Lies
 
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Interesting how a true Marxist Socialist Greek Anarchist USA hater can rant on including offensive Jew Hating Anti Semitic Nazi Propaganda COMBINED with staunch Marxist Socialist COMMUNIST propaganda.  Ironic for the fact that National Socialists and Communists were, in fact, MORTAL ENEMIES.   Wizadoodle Wackodoodle do!

Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: cufflinks on May 12, 2019, 11:30:05 AM
All those words to try to hide that you don't even know how tarrifs [1 r and 2 ffs] work.
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Don't worry, you are not alone, your president gets confused about the subject as well.

Pompous Pretentious Purse Puppie logic run amok... Of course, I know how international economies and tarriffs work you daffy old curmudgeon - what a phocking arrogant thing to say even as your standard keyboard commando personality commands you to behave in an entirely Arrogant and Uncivil manner.

The key giveaway clue here regarding all western Chinese Marxist Communist sympathizers is that they accuse everyone else of not realizing that tariffs only work by passing on the increased costs to consumers which is pure hot steamy bull pucks piles of propaganda. 

Fact is 25% tariffs on the $500 Billion trade surplus that the CCP purposefully runs with the USA and even greater $ Amount$ with the EU and Africa and the Americas and the rest of the world - Tarrifs increase the costs of these prices to Wholesalers yes middlemen who in a panic both absorb the increased tarriff costs and rapidly seek alternative vendor sources in the remainder of South East Asia (Philipines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand, Burma, Bangaladesh, India etc etc) as quickly as possible and at higher quality to maintain their market share - actually resulting in a massive windfall to the US Treasury to begin to repair the impact of 50 years of lost US Factories and Jobs - funds which can be used to finance the return of manufacturers preferably Chinese Communists COMPETITORS above to US Shores  - activities which combined further reduce the impact of Chinese Communist Commerical, Industrial and Military intellectual property theft and subterfuge of free markets. 

Custom Houses tariffs and duties were how the Colonial and Revolutionary Governments first funded the USA.  Why because it ensured importers and distributors would move heaven and earth to find the highest quality lowest cost vendors of their imports to keep and grow their market shares.  This increased competition actually lowers costs to consumers in the long run.

The whining refrain that "your words are proof you do understand the impact of tariffs" is pure Pro Chinese Communist propaganda and outright lies. 

If you support Communists, defend Communists, make excuses for Communists, buy from Communist Freaking Red Chinese industrial Slave Labor factories you are in fact a COMMUNIST and are the mortal enemies of all free thinking freedom loving people
Title: Re: Wiz and his selective history!
Post by: Wiz on May 12, 2019, 04:02:03 PM
We usually on RUA don't discuss our relationships and I find it offensive ~  :censored:  off!

Listen Faceless Zionist Troll and scum of the earth. If you are a deep stick, ignorant and a fantasist, it is not my fault and you should go and swear to your friends and tribe and NOT to me.

I did not criticised the woman in question in the Ukraine..... as I am aware of the rules and custom on the board. I only questioned and doubted that you ever had any relation in Ukraine. Learn to read and understand, something I expect it's impossible for you as you are constantly inebriated and most of the time drunk!

It appears the only thing you have for companion..... is a bottle of wine. As I know your ego and stupidity, you will never apologise and for this reason follow your own Suggestion above......:censored:  off!

In future do not address me anymore. Stay out of my way, as I will be very rude to you.


 >:(
Title: Re: Wiz and his hate speech!
Post by: AvHdB on May 12, 2019, 04:17:31 PM
We usually on RUA don't discuss our relationships and I find it offensive ~  :censored:  off!

Listen Faceless Zionist Troll and scum of the earth. If you are a deep stick, ignorant and a fantasist, it is not my fault and you should go and swear to your friends and tribe and NOT to me.

I did not criticised the woman in question in the Ukraine..... as I am aware of the rules and custom on the board. I only questioned and doubted that you ever had any relation in Ukraine. Learn to read and understand, something I expect it's impossible for you as you are constantly inebriated and most of the time drunk!

It appears the only thing you have for companion..... is a bottle of wine. As I know your ego and stupidity, you will never apologise and for this reason follow your own Suggestion above......:censored:  off!

In future do not address me anymore. Stay out of my way, as I will be very rude to you.



Wiz, Please understand I will not acquiesce to your hate speech on RUA. Get used to it.

I will leave you with this quote from D. Bonhoeffer.  "Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

Why not figure out who D. Bonhoeffer was?

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Title: Re: Cuffy - A very desperate Hypocrite US Capitalist
Post by: Wiz on May 12, 2019, 04:45:08 PM
Interesting how a true Marxist Socialist Greek Anarchist USA hater can rant on including offensive Jew Hating Anti Semitic Nazi Propaganda COMBINED with staunch Marxist Socialist COMMUNIST propaganda.  Ironic for the fact that National Socialists and Communists were, in fact, MORTAL ENEMIES.   Wizadoodle Wackodoodle do!

You don't like people answering back to you Master "Gordon Gekko" and you come out with a list of epithets and other insinuations, covering your face full of dogs poo/manure! What a pity...... ;D

You did not bothered to read the text in the last Image..........not a clever thing on your part.

You prefer to listen to these 3 people instead of using your own brain:

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I suggest it will be better if you start listening to


Brother Nathanael and you will learn  little more.......

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Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: AvHdB on May 12, 2019, 06:55:06 PM
Brother Nathanael has some good points and makes at times a compelling argument. He is though not in any way ordained by any Christian Orthodox faith and has some doctrinal thoughts that are bizarre. Many have objected to his wearing a cross.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on May 12, 2019, 09:23:04 PM
Brother Nathanael has some good points and makes at times a compelling argument. He is though not in any way ordained by any Christian Orthodox faith and has some doctrinal thoughts that are bizarre. Many have objected to his wearing a cross.

I’ve read otherwise specifically I’ve read he is now an Orthodox Christian.

Yet it’s the internet, it could be just a scam for him to get some donations.

He does come across as sincere. No doubt Conservative Jews say he will burn in Hell for eternity.  >:(  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: BillyB on May 12, 2019, 10:38:24 PM
Brother Nathanael had no interaction with the people he is criticizing in the video yet he seems to think he's an expert on all the bad he accuses them of doing.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: msmoby on May 13, 2019, 12:39:24 AM




But for some brands its a blessing, I heard in Dutch news that in the last reliable/safety tests, the Landwind (Cheap chinese Knockoff) scored better than the original (Land Rover).

You 'heard'?

Ever been in a Landwing?

If you hand, you would find thatcan incredible statement.

Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: AvHdB on May 13, 2019, 06:25:04 AM
Brother Nathanael has some good points and makes at times a compelling argument. He is though not in any way ordained by any Christian Orthodox faith and has some doctrinal thoughts that are bizarre. Many have objected to his wearing a cross.

I’ve read otherwise specifically I’ve read he is now an Orthodox Christian.

Yet it’s the internet, it could be just a scam for him to get some donations.

He does come across as sincere. No doubt Conservative Jews say he will burn in Hell for eternity.  >:(  :chuckle:

For my self I do not want to judge whether a person is member of any faith. My point is that Brother Nathanael did not attend any seminary and was not ordained.

The United States has a long and deep tradition of itinerant preachers. I have heard a few recordings of there preaching and when I could understand the English it was interesting.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: andrewfi on May 13, 2019, 02:11:40 PM
Good evening.

Looks like fun when the new tariffs come in. Goldman Sachs is uprating inflation for the coming months. For those who are not well up on economics, although the effect upon inflation numbers of tariffs is a short term one, the effect upon prices is permanent. Those prices you are paying will not be going down.

Also, it is now clear that raised prices from tariffs are having the effect I anticipated, none tariffed suppliers are increasing prices to reflect the prices of Chinese goods.
Oh, and it gets worse, the new tranche of sanctions includes all the high priced toys you lot like. Your Chinese made iToys are now going up in price. Other suppliers will be increasing prices to match. There will be no substitutions or even, in the short to medium term, no move to alternate manufacturing bases due to the complexity of supply networks for complex consumer goods.

Pretty pictures, some long words and disappointment all round: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-13/will-trumps-plan-blow-his-face-goldman-warns-inflation-will-surge-if-trade-war

Your chief executive is kicking you lot in the goolies.

China now has some fun asymmetric options. There might be a bit of letting the yuan find its own level, making Chinese goods even more costly in dollar terms. Likely that imports of energy products will decrease, and increase imports of the russian and Iranian product. Probability of targeted bans on the import of certain, strategic, U.S. agricultural products.

The world's largest economy is likely to show the second largest who is the best negotiator.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-13/will-trumps-plan-blow-his-face-goldman-warns-inflation-will-surge-if-trade-war

Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on May 13, 2019, 04:54:18 PM
Good evening.

Looks like fun when the new tariffs come in. Goldman Sachs is uprating inflation for the coming months. For those who are not well up on economics, although the effect upon inflation numbers of tariffs is a short term one, the effect upon prices is permanent. Those prices you are paying will not be going down.

Also, it is now clear that raised prices from tariffs are having the effect I anticipated, none tariffed suppliers are increasing prices to reflect the prices of Chinese goods.
Oh, and it gets worse, the new tranche of sanctions includes all the high priced toys you lot like. Your Chinese made iToys are now going up in price. Other suppliers will be increasing prices to match. There will be no substitutions or even, in the short to medium term, no move to alternate manufacturing bases due to the complexity of supply networks for complex consumer goods.

Pretty pictures, some long words and disappointment all round: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-13/will-trumps-plan-blow-his-face-goldman-warns-inflation-will-surge-if-trade-war

Your chief executive is kicking you lot in the goolies.

China now has some fun asymmetric options. There might be a bit of letting the yuan find its own level, making Chinese goods even more costly in dollar terms. Likely that imports of energy products will decrease, and increase imports of the russian and Iranian product. Probability of targeted bans on the import of certain, strategic, U.S. agricultural products.

The world's largest economy is likely to show the second largest who is the best negotiator.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-13/will-trumps-plan-blow-his-face-goldman-warns-inflation-will-surge-if-trade-war

Well the US stock market had a bad day and went down by 617 points or 2.4%.  I personally have a suspicion that Trump knows there will be wild swings in the market when he doesn't make a deal with China, etc and he tells his friends on Wall Street ahead of time to short the market and then they'll be able to buy low as well prior to a deal being made and the market going back up to "normal".  :-X

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/dow-posts-worst-day-since-january-as-trade-war-escalates/ar-AABgvpL?li=BBnb7Kz
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: BillyB on May 13, 2019, 10:57:10 PM

It seems some people think a massive trade imbalance is good for America. It seems some people think America should allow China to steal our intellectual property and like it. It seems some people think it's bad to stand up for oneself.

When importers to America, whether they're American, Asian or European, realize it's cheaper to make and import products from Vietnam and other nations to America, they will do so. Money matters to them.

 I hope America doesn't get a trade deal with China and Trump eventually increases tariffs to 100+%. All cheap stuff in America used to be made in Taiwan. Now it's China. It's time for one or more nations to replace China. But if Trump does get a trade deal done and guarantees any Chinese gets jailed for stealing our intellectual property, then the Chinese can just focus on copying European products since Europe will take a soft stance against China, the same stance they suggest Trump should take.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: AvHdB on May 18, 2019, 06:46:40 AM
This link might help clear some of the fuzzy thinking of the issues of Venezuela and South Americans.

https://www.neweurope.eu/article/modern-monetary-disasters/
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Markje on May 18, 2019, 07:39:05 AM

It seems some people think a massive trade imbalance is good for America. It seems some people think America should allow China to steal our intellectual property and like it. It seems some people think it's bad to stand up for oneself.
The massive trade imbalance is a huge problem for America. I don't condone stealing of intellectual property. That being sad, I do not think the current sanction regime is the way forward. Its ok to protect domestic markets from cheap corner-cutters like most chinese el-cheapo stuff, but usually quality comes at a price and people understand that.

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When importers to America, whether they're American, Asian or European, realize it's cheaper to make and import products from Vietnam and other nations to America, they will do so. Money matters to them.
Funny story from work: I used to work for a global company, had offices in any country worldwide and produces both computer hardware, computer software and other tech stuff.

I was on linux-support 3d line, the easier 1st line stuff had been outsourced to india. I am sitting with the team working on some problem when suddenly my manager stands up, picks up his laptop and with a completely red face bashes it onto his desk, destroying said laptop. When the guy cooled off a bit we asked him what happened.

He said: India only houses some call-forwarders now, they outsourced the 1st line tech support to China!
 :king:

Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on May 18, 2019, 10:42:36 AM

It seems some people think a massive trade imbalance is good for America. It seems some people think America should allow China to steal our intellectual property and like it. It seems some people think it's bad to stand up for oneself.
The massive trade imbalance is a huge problem for America. I don't condone stealing of intellectual property. That being sad, I do not think the current sanction regime is the way forward. Its ok to protect domestic markets from cheap corner-cutters like most chinese el-cheapo stuff, but usually quality comes at a price and people understand that.

When importers to America, whether they're American, Asian or European, realize it's cheaper to make and import products from Vietnam and other nations to America, they will do so. Money matters to them.
Funny story from work: I used to work for a global company, had offices in any country worldwide and produces both computer hardware, computer software and other tech stuff.

I was on linux-support 3d line, the easier 1st line stuff had been outsourced to india. I am sitting with the team working on some problem when suddenly my manager stands up, picks up his laptop and with a completely red face bashes it onto his desk, destroying said laptop. When the guy cooled off a bit we asked him what happened.

He said: India only houses some call-forwarders now, they outsourced the 1st line tech support to China!
 :king:
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So at some point trading less with China really is about national sovereignty.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Markje on May 18, 2019, 12:42:17 PM

So at some point trading less with China really is about national sovereignty.
Trading less with china means, china will still get the deal but you must now pay the middleman India.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: BillyB on May 19, 2019, 01:31:34 PM

Some people accuse America of causing starvation and economic collapse in Venezuela. Maduro says their is no crisis in Venezuela and it's all made up by America. Is Maduro lying and if he is, why would anybody support a person that would lie about the condition of his people and country?

https://abcnews.go.com/International/maduro-accuses-us-government-fabricating-crisis-start-war/story?id=61215212
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Markje on May 19, 2019, 03:22:52 PM

Some people accuse America of causing starvation and economic collapse in Venezuela. Maduro says their is no crisis in Venezuela and it's all made up by America. Is Maduro lying and if he is, why would anybody support a person that would lie about the condition of his people and country?

https://abcnews.go.com/International/maduro-accuses-us-government-fabricating-crisis-start-war/story?id=61215212

I have no take on the Maduro/Guaido problem,  I just know Maduro was just re-elected to office and the other guy is a nobody. Nobody voted for him other than countries.

If everyone was honest here (including Maduro) , they would simply ask the people for new elections and let them decide.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: BillyB on May 19, 2019, 08:32:02 PM
I have no take on the Maduro/Guaido problem,  I just know Maduro was just re-elected to office and the other guy is a nobody. Nobody voted for him other than countries.


Guaido is president of the National Assembly which are the politicians that represent the people. The National Assembly ruled Maduro is an illegitimate president and when that happens, the President of the National Assembly becomes the new president of Venezuela.

If everyone was honest here (including Maduro) , they would simply ask the people for new elections and let them decide.

That's a good idea. When a nation like Ukraine, Syria, or Venezuela is tearing itself apart, it's best the leader of those nations hold early elections and let the people decide so they don't kill each other. America, Russia, China, and the UN can all supply election monitors for checks and balances to make sure elections are fair and accurate.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Wiz on May 20, 2019, 03:42:50 AM
Billy

May I suggest you read what the Venezuelan Constitution states, before making silly statements.

As yo must know Guaido is an American agent and he has not won any election, where Maduro did.

Can you by any chance tell me is Venezuela 1st to be attacked or Iran by USA?

Are you made aware of the illegal seizure of Venezuela’s DC embassy and arrest of activist protectors were unprecedented acts of US diplomatic piracy?

"Activists David Paul, Margaret Flowers, Kevin Zeese, and Professor of Anthropology Adrienne Pine were unlawfully arrested and charged with “trespassing and interfering with the US Department of State’s protective functions (sic),” adding:

“The individuals were arrested on a criminal complaint charging them with a violation of 18 USC § 118, Interference with Protective Functions of the Department of State (sic), for knowingly and willingly obstructing, resisting, or interfering with a federal law enforcement agent engaged, within the United States (sic)…”

Activists charged face possible imprisonment for up to one year and a $1,000 fine — for lawfully defending the diplomatic property of the Bolivarian Republic, living in the embassy at great personal risk from April 10 until unlawfully arrested on May 16."


https://www.globalresearch.ca/unlawful-arrests-venezuelan-dc-embassy-protectors-symbolic-us-decadence/5677876][/color]]https://www.globalresearch.ca/unlawful-arrests-venezuelan-dc-embassy-protectors-symbolic-us-decadence/5677876] (http://[color=blue)
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: msmoby on May 20, 2019, 03:56:30 AM
Quoting from glosbalmisinfo...Wiz?

Hardly 'affirmation'

Poor 'ol Venezuelans are between a rock and a hard place as neither her main creditors...(Russia and China) want the legit leadership to run the country.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: cufflinks on May 20, 2019, 04:26:51 PM
Billy

May I suggest you read what the Venezuelan Constitution states, before making silly statements.

As yo must know Guaido is an American agent and he has not won any election, where Maduro did STEAL the Election with the help of Castros Cuban Intelligence officers and 20,000 Cuban troops.

Can you by any chance tell me is Venezuela 1st to be attacked or Iran by USA?

Toss a coin Commies or Islamists all radicals so sit back and enjoy the show!

Are you made aware of the illegal seizure of Venezuela’s DC embassy and arrest of activist protectors were unprecedented acts of US diplomatic piracy?

"Activists David Paul, Margaret Flowers, Kevin Zeese, and Professor of Anthropology Adrienne Pine were unlawfully arrested and charged with “trespassing and interfering with the US Department of State’s protective functions (sic),” adding:

“The individuals were arrested on a criminal complaint charging them with a violation of 18 USC § 118, Interference with Protective Functions of the Department of State (sic), for knowingly and willingly obstructing, resisting, or interfering with a federal law enforcement agent engaged, within the United States (sic)…”

Activists charged face possible imprisonment for up to one year and a $1,000 fine — for lawfully defending the diplomatic property of the Bolivarian Republic, living in the embassy at great personal risk from April 10 until unlawfully arrested on May 16."


https://www.globalresearch.ca/unlawful-arrests-venezuelan-dc-embassy-protectors-symbolic-us-decadence/5677876][/color]]https://www.globalresearch.ca/unlawful-arrests-venezuelan-dc-embassy-protectors-symbolic-us-decadence/5677876] (http://[color=blue)

Loud-mouthed Trouble Makers got the same treatment you lot gave to Jullian Assange - yanked and spanked.

There fixed it for you.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on May 20, 2019, 07:18:45 PM
Billy

May I suggest you read what the Venezuelan Constitution states, before making silly statements.

As yo must know Guaido is an American agent and he has not won any election, where Maduro did STEAL the Election with the help of Castros Cuban Intelligence officers and 20,000 Cuban troops.

Can you by any chance tell me is Venezuela 1st to be attacked or Iran by USA?

Toss a coin Commies or Islamists all radicals so sit back and enjoy the show!

Are you made aware of the illegal seizure of Venezuela’s DC embassy and arrest of activist protectors were unprecedented acts of US diplomatic piracy?

"Activists David Paul, Margaret Flowers, Kevin Zeese, and Professor of Anthropology Adrienne Pine were unlawfully arrested and charged with “trespassing and interfering with the US Department of State’s protective functions (sic),” adding:

“The individuals were arrested on a criminal complaint charging them with a violation of 18 USC § 118, Interference with Protective Functions of the Department of State (sic), for knowingly and willingly obstructing, resisting, or interfering with a federal law enforcement agent engaged, within the United States (sic)…”

Activists charged face possible imprisonment for up to one year and a $1,000 fine — for lawfully defending the diplomatic property of the Bolivarian Republic, living in the embassy at great personal risk from April 10 until unlawfully arrested on May 16."


https://www.globalresearch.ca/unlawful-arrests-venezuelan-dc-embassy-protectors-symbolic-us-decadence/5677876][/color]]https://www.globalresearch.ca/unlawful-arrests-venezuelan-dc-embassy-protectors-symbolic-us-decadence/5677876] (http://[color=blue)

Loud-mouthed Trouble Makers got the same treatment you lot gave to Jullian Assange - yanked and spanked.

There fixed it for you.


 :thumbsup:

As always Wiz is deeply confused and vacillates between hating the USA and hatred of Jews. Turns out that Maduro is a crypto Jew and hard-core Marxist thief.

What to do, what to do? The irrational hatred of the USA wins out.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Wiz on May 23, 2019, 08:21:38 AM
Billy

May I suggest you read what the Venezuelan Constitution states, before making silly statements.

As yo must know Guaido is an American agent and he has not won any election, where Maduro did STEAL the Election with the help of Castros Cuban Intelligence officers and 20,000 Cuban troops.

Can you by any chance tell me is Venezuela 1st to be attacked or Iran by USA?

Toss a coin Commies or Islamists all radicals so sit back and enjoy the show!

Are you made aware of the illegal seizure of Venezuela’s DC embassy and arrest of activist protectors were unprecedented acts of US diplomatic piracy?

"Activists David Paul, Margaret Flowers, Kevin Zeese, and Professor of Anthropology Adrienne Pine were unlawfully arrested and charged with “trespassing and interfering with the US Department of State’s protective functions (sic),” adding:

“The individuals were arrested on a criminal complaint charging them with a violation of 18 USC § 118, Interference with Protective Functions of the Department of State (sic), for knowingly and willingly obstructing, resisting, or interfering with a federal law enforcement agent engaged, within the United States (sic)…”

Activists charged face possible imprisonment for up to one year and a $1,000 fine — for lawfully defending the diplomatic property of the Bolivarian Republic, living in the embassy at great personal risk from April 10 until unlawfully arrested on May 16."


https://www.globalresearch.ca/unlawful-arrests-venezuelan-dc-embassy-protectors-symbolic-us-decadence/5677876][/color]]https://www.globalresearch.ca/unlawful-arrests-venezuelan-dc-embassy-protectors-symbolic-us-decadence/5677876] (http://[color=blue)

Loud-mouthed Trouble Makers got the same treatment you lot gave to Jullian Assange - yanked and spanked.

There fixed it for you.

What shall we expect from a gangster Country and its leadership. to respect international Laws or.......for them to act the same way Hitler and the Nazi's behaved during WWII?

Do you expect the world to have any respect for your Gangster country, created by Immigrants and run by Criminals and the Jews?

 :evilgrin0002:

Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: cufflinks on May 23, 2019, 09:49:50 AM
Good evening.

Looks like fun when the new tariffs come in. Goldman Sachs is uprating inflation for the coming months. For those who are not well up on economics, although the effect upon inflation numbers of tariffs is a short term one, the effect upon prices is permanent. Those prices you are paying will not be going down.

Also, it is now clear that raised prices from tariffs are having the effect I anticipated, none tariffed suppliers are increasing prices to reflect the prices of Chinese goods.
Oh, and it gets worse, the new tranche of sanctions includes all the high priced toys you lot like. Your Chinese made iToys are now going up in price. Other suppliers will be increasing prices to match. There will be no substitutions or even, in the short to medium term, no move to alternate manufacturing bases due to the complexity of supply networks for complex consumer goods.

Pretty pictures, some long words and disappointment all round: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-13/will-trumps-plan-blow-his-face-goldman-warns-inflation-will-surge-if-trade-war

Your chief executive is kicking you lot in the goolies.

China now has some fun asymmetric options. There might be a bit of letting the yuan find its own level, making Chinese goods even more costly in dollar terms. Likely that imports of energy products will decrease, and increase imports of the russian and Iranian product. Probability of targeted bans on the import of certain, strategic, U.S. agricultural products.

The world's largest economy is likely to show the second largest who is the best negotiator.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-13/will-trumps-plan-blow-his-face-goldman-warns-inflation-will-surge-if-trade-war

Fascinating how Lord Afi Chinese Red Communist Apologist quotes the one mega Corporation Goldman Sacks your country's manufacturing base who perfected the treasonous biz model of taking USA 10% Net-Net Manufacturing Cash Cows of all types - buying them on the cheap from family owners or groups - moving their manufacturing gear and key people Lock Stock and Barrels to Communist Red Freaking Chinese Slave Labor Factories and then taking said same companies public on Shanghai and Hong Kong Stock exchanges for between 60 and 100 times PE rations versus 13 to 20 PEs on regulated western markets.  This, of course, earned Goldman et. al. and their Chinese Govt joint venture "partners"  100s of Billion$ due to drastically lowered costs in Chinese Red Communist slave labor factories with NO Child Labor Laws, NO Occupational Safety laws, No Environmental Protection laws and NO Labor Unions or western collective bargaining what so ever.  Union Organizing will get you a one-way ticket to Chinese Organ Harvesting "re-education camps".

For a far more objective Strategic Intelligence perspective:

Will China Use Its “Nuclear Option” in the U.S. Trade War?

The trade war was never going to be easy for China. There are several reasons for this. The easiest one boils down to third-grade math. In round numbers, the U.S. imports about $500 billion per year from China. In turn, China imports about $150 billion per year from the U.S. The difference is a $350 billion-per-year trade deficit with China that Trump wants to eliminate (or at least greatly reduce). When Trump put tariffs on $200 billion of Chinese goods, the Chinese initially retaliated with dollar-for-dollar tariffs on U.S. goods.

The problem is they ran out of headroom. China is now proposing tariffs on almost 100% of its imports from the U.S., but Trump still has $300 billion to go. When Trump puts tariffs on those goods (which he is planning to do over the coming months), China has no way to retaliate directly because they simply don’t buy enough from the U.S. If China wants to retaliate, they’ll have to use nontariff measures. These can include bans on acquisitions of Chinese companies by U.S. companies and limits on U.S. direct investment in China. But these restrictions are already tough, so it’s not clear how much more China can do.

The theft of intellectual property has been going on for decades and is continuing. That’s a big problem, but it’s not new and does not represent an escalation, because it’s already there. What can China do? One so-called “nuclear option” is for China to dump its massive holdings of U.S. Treasury notes, about $1.4 trillion in value, as described in this article. The idea is that if China dumps these Treasuries, prices will drop, interest rates will go up, stocks will drop and the U.S. housing market will hit a wall. It’s a kind of economic warfare. Everything about this scenario is wrong.

China won’t dump Treasuries because they would be the biggest loser (because they own so many themselves and you can’t sell them all at once). The president can freeze China’s accounts with one phone call if any economic damage begins. Besides, there are plenty of other buyers of U.S. Treasuries including U.S. banks and, if needed, the Federal Reserve. The bottom line is that China is stuck with a losing hand. And Trump knows it.

 :smokin:  :gousa: :smokin:  :GOUK: :smokin:  :canada:
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Manny on May 26, 2019, 02:22:51 PM
If China wants to retaliate against the US they will dump even more dollars and crash your economy - game over.

Trump is playing the game for the 2020 re-election. China plays the long game. China will win, Trump will cave and claim victory as usual.

I think you’ve never visited a Chinese factory Cuffy. I was in one last month. I saw nothing eyebrow raising. I don’t think China is like you imagine.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: cufflinks on May 26, 2019, 03:01:44 PM
If China wants to retaliate against the US they will dump even more dollars and crash your economy - game over.

Trump is playing the game for the 2020 re-election. China plays the long game. China will win, Trump will cave and claim victory as usual.

I think you’ve never visited a Chinese factory Cuffy. I was in one last month. I saw nothing eyebrow raising. I don’t think China is like you imagine.

LOLOLOL

Be careful what you wish for Manny as goes the USA so goes the British Empire...  Though your country has been adopting much more CCP style insidious limits on free speech and de facto Social Media Credit Scoring to control you lot.

The best thing the Chinese could to support Trump and the tariffs is Dump all the US Dollars and T-Bills they are holding (Much more T-bills than Dollars) as the drastically lowered USD will make US Manufactured and Exported goods and commodities much cheaper for third world emerging economies not to mention the EU and with the coming USA EU comprehensive free trade agreements regime of no tariffs and no trade barriers will actually make all of our products much more affordable in the EU and the rest of the world and make Chinese Slave Labor anti Occupational Safety anti Green Environmental mass polluting factories products you are so fond of MUCH more Expensive and cause their distributors to scramble for even lower cost alternatives supply chains in the rest of the ASEAN Southeast Asian countries who know what the inscrutable Communist Freaking Red Chinese are really up to.

There is literally nothing that the CCP controlled predatory capitalist's manufacture that the USA can not source in Japan or South Korea or Europe or Latin America...   The USA multinationals are waking up to the fact that in the #Metoo human rights green new deal anti-global warming fair trade coffee and tea 21st century it has become quite evident to USA multinationals doing business in Communist Freaking Red China that the political tides are rapidly turning against them as doing business in China is becoming much more environmentally and socially akin to high treason against all humanity and the environment.   The hubris of Chairman for Life Xi and the CCP is profound and they may have overplayed their hands to a point that their control of the globes manufacturing supply chains are now loosening and will eventually be lost until the CCP reforms their massively predatory market manipulations and human rights and environmental global warming violations.

I know you Empire Nostalgic Brits who pine for the lost Power and Glory of the Victorian Empire - which largely put the Communist Freaking Red Chinese on their current Anti Western path in retaliation for the 100 years of humiliation - You absolutely Hate the USA and Americans as we are wildly independent and you lot are much more comfortable with Authoritarian (Monarchical) regimes governance.

As goes the USA so goes the British Empire even if we have to pull you lot away from the influences of the Dark Side kicking and screaming.  No worries as we have a fond nostalgia for our ancestral so-called homelands as ironic as it sounds we tolerate your 7 deadly sins especially envy driven hate of the USA.  It is what it is we all have crosses to bear.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Manny on May 26, 2019, 03:13:55 PM
The result of the Chinese (and the Russians) dumping the dollar is widely covered on our de-dollarisation topic. You may recall I wrote an article for RT some time back on the subject which is linked there.

The long and short of it - when I researched it - seems to be that when countries dump the dollar they send the inflation back to the US that was previously exported and it makes the economy go kaboooooooom.

The Chinese economy is bigger than yours. Be careful what you wish for. The Chinese have you by the balls. Play nice with them. They’ll not be bullied. From what I know of dealing with the Chinese, crude, vulgar and public bellyaching as Trump does wont go down well. He will end up caving and claiming victory as usual.

Fast talking NY trickery and hustling Trump style won’t work. They will just smile, dump more dollars, damage your economy and wait to see if the next president is more amenable.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: cufflinks on May 26, 2019, 03:25:41 PM
Attitudes are rapidly changing towards Communist Freaking Red China that doing busiess with the CCP controlled China is akin to those who did business with NAZI Germany.

Official Whitehouse.gov President Donald John Trump's real achievements:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/

Communist Freaking Red China's Plan to Undermine the USA and the West:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/FINAL-China-Technology-Report-6.18.18-PDF.pdf

The Naked Communists 45 Goals for the USA:
http://www.restoring-america.com/Documents/THE%20NAKED%20COMMUNIST%20GOALS%20WITH%20NOTES.pdf
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: BillyB on May 26, 2019, 03:34:15 PM
If China wants to retaliate against the US they will dump even more dollars and crash your economy - game over.


China buys US debt not for the benefit of America but to benefit themselves. Their Yuan is tied to the dollar. If they dump dollars and the value of dollars go down, their Yuan goes down. If America sneezes, the world catches a cold. More economies will be hurting. China is a huge exporter. Hurting economies isn't what they want.

Right now, the economy in America is doing extremely well. Extremely low unemployment. Hard to find good workers right now. The "Experts" predicted an economic collapse if Trump won. The experts continue to be wrong.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Manny on May 26, 2019, 03:46:39 PM
Billy, in which case why are China, much of Africa, and Russia steadily dumping dollars over a number of years?

Cuffy, of course China is rising. As is Russia. I’ve often ruminated that the US will go down kicking and screaming, and we are seeing this now. The general idea is that the US will be relegated to a regional power. Power in the world will be multipolar. 

Nobody wants the US as the worlds policeman belligerently blundering around the world destroying governments, deposing leaders and killing heads of states. Russia watched you ignite Ukraine, and then blocked you destroying Syria, and China blocked you destroying North Korea. What will happen in Venezuela remains to be seen, but you haven’t gone in already for a reason. ;)

The days of the US stomping around the world killing the leaders and deposing governments have come to an end. It’ll take y’all a while to adjust to the new status quo.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on May 26, 2019, 03:49:30 PM
If China wants to retaliate against the US they will dump even more dollars and crash your economy - game over.


China buys US debt not for the benefit of America but to benefit themselves. Their Yuan is tied to the dollar. If they dump dollars and the value of dollars go down, their Yuan goes down. If America sneezes, the world catches a cold. More economies will be hurting. China is a huge exporter. Hurting economies isn't what they want.

Right now, the economy in America is doing extremely well. Extremely low unemployment. Hard to find good workers right now. The "Experts" predicted an economic collapse if Trump won. The experts continue to be wrong.

The US economy can go to shit in the blink of an eye.

War with Iran due to foolish saber rattling? Kaboom.

No quick deal with China? Kaboom. I agree with Manny on this.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: AvHdB on May 26, 2019, 03:53:28 PM
Considering Venezuela I wonder if the actions of Russia are somehow balanced by the Wests actions in assistance to Ukraine in fighting the hybrid forces on the Russian border.

While one can moan about D. Trump he at least has not started some new military adventures. I tend to doubt that the carpet muncher would have the same results.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on May 26, 2019, 04:03:22 PM
Considering Venezuela I wonder if the actions of Russia are somehow balanced by the Wests actions in assistance to Ukraine in fighting the hybrid forces on the Russian border.

While one can moan about D. Trump he at least has not started some new military adventures. I tend to doubt that the carpet muncher would have the same results.


 Hildabeast would have already started WWIII over Syria why do you think the psychotic warmongering jooos who own our press hate Trump so much and continue to continue with their stupid nonsense???
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Manny on May 26, 2019, 04:07:14 PM
Considering Venezuela I wonder if the actions of Russia are somehow balanced by the Wests actions in assistance to Ukraine in fighting the hybrid forces on the Russian border.

While one can moan about D. Trump he at least has not started some new military adventures. I tend to doubt that the carpet muncher would have the same results.


 Hildabeast would have already started WWIII over Syria why do you think the psychotic warmongering jooos who own our press hate Trump so much and continue to continue with their stupid nonsense???

I bet the average American on the street has no idea whatsoever why the US government feels hostility towards Syria. They will assume it is because of 911 or jihad or something.....

Actually, does anyone here know?
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on May 26, 2019, 04:17:55 PM
Considering Venezuela I wonder if the actions of Russia are somehow balanced by the Wests actions in assistance to Ukraine in fighting the hybrid forces on the Russian border.

While one can moan about D. Trump he at least has not started some new military adventures. I tend to doubt that the carpet muncher would have the same results.


 Hildabeast would have already started WWIII over Syria why do you think the psychotic warmongering jooos who own our press hate Trump so much and continue to continue with their stupid nonsense???

I bet the average American on the street has no idea whatsoever why the US government feels hostility towards Syria. They will assume it is because of 911 or jihad or something.....

Actually, does anyone here know?

Psychotic warmongering Israel and our Zio CON media push the nonsense of FAKE gas attacks on Syrian civilians by the evil Assad “regime”. Never mind that Israel has used white phosphorus on Gaza civilians, doesn’t matter.  :-X

Extensive cradle to grave brainwashing, and the average American is too lazy and stupid to engage their brain (which is polluted with excess Fluoride, etc) and do some real research.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: cufflinks on May 26, 2019, 04:18:07 PM
The result of the Chinese (and the Russians) dumping the dollar is widely covered on our de-dollarisation topic. You may recall I wrote an article for RT some time back on the subject which is linked there.

The long and short of it - when I researched it - seems to be that when countries dump the dollar they send the inflation back to the US that was previously exported and it makes the economy go kaboooooooom.

The Chinese economy is bigger than yours. Be careful what you wish for. The Chinese have you by the balls. Play nice with them. They’ll not be bullied. From what I know of dealing with the Chinese, crude, vulgar and public bellyaching as Trump does wont go down well. He will end up caving and claiming victory as usual.

Fast talking NY trickery and hustling Trump style won’t work. They will just smile, dump more dollars, damage your economy and wait to see if the next president is more amenable.

I had a close friend who had a brother a GE Engineering Manager who married a Chinese Woman in China whose family owned large high quality automated ultra clean subsidized slave labor injection molding factories that provided parts for Audi and Saab etc Euro car brands.  I learned in depth how their factories operated as they wanted us to help them develop greater market share in the USA markets... unfortunately for them they wanted us to volunteer our work until actual contracts were executed - Cheap inscrutable Chinese through and through - the daughter, my buddies Sister in Law set up a network of Mall Kiosks selling tons of various Chinese trinkets - they were friends of the family with their own smaller-scale factories who would just ship over goods to her LLC and she would set up small EXIM LLCs for $150 a pop then use those LLCs to open bank accounts as the LLC manager for her supplier friends in China and deposit the USA proceeds from her kiosks in USA Banks to cover her agreed to wholesale costs - then pay the now lower 20% LLC Federal and any local state taxes and give her suppliers online login accounts to their net USD bank account proceeds so they could essentially transfer dollars out the back door of China to the USA, of course, she would use the biz proceeds to pay to bring her family members over here and set her neices and nephews up in USA Universities as long as they worked in her various schemes to pay their way.

The Chinese dump US Dollars and T-Bills and the cause short term issues for the USA Economy - they cut their own throats by damaging the only world market capable of absorbing $500 Billion per year of Chinese Slave labor crap a year...  I do not see their ASEAN competitors nor Fortress EU nor third world Africa and South America stepping up to absorb that much Communist predatory manufactured crap every year.  I truly hope the Communist Red Freaking Chinese overplay their Predatory Marxist Socialist Red Communists hands and try to destroy the US economy - they will be surprised just how fast we develop alternative supply chains and 1.3 billion starving Chinese rampaging for food in the major cities of China have not worked out so well for them in the past be it the Boxer Rebellion or the Cultural Revolution.

We have been awoken by the Chinese Economic 50 year war they have waged against the USA leaving our massive industrial base post WWII in a giant RUST BELT shambles but ironically coming back to life thanks to the influx of Billions in Tariffs into the US Treasury making the North and South American supply chains much more competitive against the Chinese who go profit negative on any tariffs over 17%.  Nothing fast talking about 25% tariffs on $500 Billion a year of over capacity produced stuff being dumped in the USA year after year.

Now the Chinese Government have been called out for the evil lying Communists they are and the USA - a land of Teutonic Celtic Anglo Roman Latin Warriors - has decided that now is the time for all-out Economic, Political and if necessary Nuclear War against Communist Freaking Red China as their current predatory capitalist policies with systemic Intellectual Property Theft and forced technology transfer, as well as their Fentanyl and Carfentanil laced Narco Wars against our young people are now an existential threat Against the United States of America - so 2019 or 2020 are as good a time as any for the promised Biblical Armageddon.

Enjoy the coming Global Winter courtesy your Communist Freaking Red Chinese business partners.

Good news is You however may be able to negotiate better prices in the Short Run until the lack of a $500 Billion free dumping market begins to impinge on their vaunted China Price and economies of scale - though you may have to hand out radiation proof respiration masks to all your Chinese Tools customers in the EU and UK once the Nuclear Winter begins.

We are all nearing the point of no return and a General Phock it attitude - they want total War why put it off any longer now is as good as time as any to take out the Communist Red Freaking Chinese and their Client North Koreans power structure before they actually do try to EMP blast our cities killing 150 Million Americans - the USA retaliation will be massive and global in scope due to the Nuclear Fallout - the Chinese are massively concentrated on Seaport and River cites and actually quite easy targets Two MIRVs each from a massive Trident Submarines Strike should do the trick.   I personally am stocking up on Iodine, Respiration Masks, Water Purification and survival food.  Shite is about to hit the CFRC Communist Fan if not this summer than likely by next before the 2020 Elections.   Ignore this warning at your own peril.   Last Century was WW1, WWII Korea and Vietnam.   This Century will be Global War with Communist Freaking Red China and her European and Asian BRI Allies.

You lot of Euros have always hated America and now we see the reality in living Color.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: BillyB on May 26, 2019, 04:28:44 PM
Billy, in which case why are China, much of Africa, and Russia steadily dumping dollars over a number of years?


I know China and Russia made an attempt to trade using their own currencies. China exports a lot to America. We pay in American dollars. They can use those dollars however they want but if they want to dump the dollars at below value, somebody else will benefit. The American dollar is strong. If China makes an attempt to weaken the dollar, then their products become less affordable to Americans and we'll buy less from them.

Nobody wants the US as the worlds policeman belligerently blundering around the world destroying governments, deposing leaders and killing heads of states. Russia watched you ignite Ukraine, and then blocked you destroying Syria, and China blocked you destroying North Korea. What will happen in Venezuela remains to be seen, but you haven’t gone in already for a reason. ;)

The days of the US stomping around the world killing the leaders and deposing governments have come to an end. It’ll take y’all a while to adjust to the new status quo.

Over the last few years, China and Russia has acquired real estate in land and sea. America has not. I read some people at this forum are pissed at America for their actions worldwide. I am not pissed at China or Russia. I see their actions to thrive and survive as human nature. I also see America's actions the same way. This has been going on since the beginning of mankind. I'd hurt a neighbor if he were hostile to me or countered my interests too. May the best man/nation win.

I bet the average American on the street has no idea whatsoever why the US government feels hostility towards Syria. They will assume it is because of 911 or jihad or something.....

Actually, does anyone here know?

America benefits from Middle East stability which translates to cheap oil and a better economy. Also Syria houses terrorists that are a threat to our friend Israel. Obama wanted to do something in Syria but he was too weak to finish it. Putin got his way instead.




Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: cufflinks on May 26, 2019, 04:36:34 PM
Billy, in which case why are China, much of Africa, and Russia steadily dumping dollars over a number of years?

Cuffy, of course China is rising. As is Russia. I’ve often ruminated that the US will go down kicking and screaming, and we are seeing this now. The general idea is that the US will be relegated to a regional power. Power in the world will be multipolar. 

Nobody wants the US UK as the worlds policeman belligerently blundering around the world destroying governments, deposing leaders and killing heads of states. Russia watched you we ignite Ukraine, and then blocked you us destroying Syria, and China blocked you us destroying North Korea. What will happen in Venezuela remains to be seen, but you we haven’t gone in already for a reason. ;)

The days of the US UK stomping around the world killing the leaders and deposing governments have come to an end. It’ll take us’all a while to adjust to the new status quo.

Fixed that for you mate... we have this discussion every year when you go off on one of your hate American love Russia and China globalist rants.  I can't say as I blame you as you are an America hating Brit Empire-ist born and raised

The USA is owned by the Fed and the Fed via regional Bank shareholders who are secretly owned and controlled via the Rothschilds and the City of London doing the Crowns Bidding.   The USA is a vassal state of the Crown and City of London and does nothing without the direction and approval of same overlords.

You lot have enabled the Communist Freaking Red Chinese Economic War against the USA since the end of WWII for a multitude of hateful anti American reasons and now we are at the brink of massive total Economic, Political and Nuclear War with an increasingly hostile Communist Freaking Red China - your former colonies that you lot have allowed to go completely out of control.

Eventually, you reap what you sow.
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Manny on May 26, 2019, 04:48:08 PM
Umm, the US is not a vassal of the UK....rather vice versa...

We are not at the brink of nuclear war with China.  :fighting0025:
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on May 26, 2019, 04:48:54 PM
Billy, in which case why are China, much of Africa, and Russia steadily dumping dollars over a number of years?


I know China and Russia made an attempt to trade using their own currencies. China exports a lot to America. We pay in American dollars. They can use those dollars however they want but if they want to dump the dollars at below value, somebody else will benefit. The American dollar is strong. If China makes an attempt to weaken the dollar, then their products become less affordable to Americans and we'll buy less from them.

Nobody wants the US as the worlds policeman belligerently blundering around the world destroying governments, deposing leaders and killing heads of states. Russia watched you ignite Ukraine, and then blocked you destroying Syria, and China blocked you destroying North Korea. What will happen in Venezuela remains to be seen, but you haven’t gone in already for a reason. ;)

The days of the US stomping around the world killing the leaders and deposing governments have come to an end. It’ll take y’all a while to adjust to the new status quo.

Over the last few years, China and Russia has acquired real estate in land and sea. America has not. I read some people at this forum are pissed at America for their actions worldwide. I am not pissed at China or Russia. I see their actions to thrive and survive as human nature. I also see America's actions the same way. This has been going on since the beginning of mankind. I'd hurt a neighbor if he were hostile to me or countered my interests too. May the best man/nation win.

I bet the average American on the street has no idea whatsoever why the US government feels hostility towards Syria. They will assume it is because of 911 or jihad or something.....

Actually, does anyone here know?

America benefits from Middle East stability which translates to cheap oil and a better economy. Also Syria houses terrorists freedom fighters that are a threat to Israel. Obama wanted to do something in Syria but he was too weak to finish it. Putin got his way instead.

FTFY Billy.

Israel is NOT our friend they are the fathers of terror, not only in the Middle East but throughout the World.

If you weren’t so lazy and stubborn you’d research this. Israel came up with the idea of ISIS and Al Qaeda back when the CIA and Israel were arming Osama bin Laden and his Muhajadeen against the Soviets.

Manny this type of response is what I’m talking about...  (:) :sick0012:
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: cufflinks on May 26, 2019, 05:05:23 PM
Umm, the US is not a vassal of the UK....rather vice versa...

We are not at the brink of nuclear war with China.  :fighting0025:

Rather long 21 chapter video series that will burst the bubble of anyone who does not think that the City of London and Crown controlled NWO does not own and control the USA - It was a sobering wake up call for a Constitutional USA Patriot and former US Navy Nuclear Submariner like me...  quite a hard bitter red reality pill to swallow...  and the source of our problems today as the NWO attempts to spread the Chinese Freaking Red Communist authoritarian one party system across the Globe while destroying the US Constitution and the USA in the process.  Let the 21st Century Total Globalists wars begin.

NWO : Communism By The Backdoor pt1 of 22

This series is a bit more humorous... Free on Amazon Prime...
This Giant Beast That is the Global Economy
https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B07MJDD22F/

This globe-spanning docuseries brings the smart, stylized storytelling of Adam McKay's The Big Short to a quirky and compelling exploration of the global economy. In each episode, host Kal Penn - with the help of some celebrity friends - answers a burning question like: How can I launder a bag of dirty cash? How scared should I be of a rubber apocalypse? And is it easier for dicks to get rich?



Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: msmoby on May 28, 2019, 10:38:42 AM
Thank you, Mikey

Now I KNOW you'll fall for the unlikeliest conspiracy theory .. :chuckle:

Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on May 28, 2019, 08:57:07 PM
Not sure what is going on in Venezuela lately?

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2019/05/28/total-disaster-venezuelas-failed-socialist-experiment-produces-worst-collapse-o-n2546591?utm_source=thdailypm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl_pm&newsletterad=&bcid=cf6badeddec995f9ed6467a52983f579&recip=25798487
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: BillyB on May 28, 2019, 10:32:58 PM

To combat hyperinflation, last year Maduro slashed five zeroes off the price of products and increased minimum wage by 3000%. Brilliant economic plan.  (:) Imagine if you were a shop owner and the government told you to drastically reduce your prices and give your employees a 3000% raise. Won't be able to stay in business.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-economy/venezuela-cuts-five-zeros-from-currency-as-economic-plan-sows-confusion-idUSKCN1L51H7
Title: Re: Buh Bye Maduro, Poka
Post by: Contrarian on May 28, 2019, 11:23:21 PM

To combat hyperinflation, last year Maduro slashed five zeroes off the price of products and increased minimum wage by 3000%. Brilliant economic plan.  (:) Imagine if you were a shop owner and the government told you to drastically reduce your prices and give your employees a 3000% raise. Won't be able to stay in business.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-economy/venezuela-cuts-five-zeros-from-currency-as-economic-plan-sows-confusion-idUSKCN1L51H7

From your link:


Economists say the plan, which was announced last Friday, is likely to escalate the crisis facing the once-booming nation that is now suffering from Soviet-style product shortages and a mass exodus of citizens fleeing for other South American countries.



You would think our naive and foolish millennials who want socialism could learn from this but they continue to behave like the 3 monkeys.