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Information & Chat => Adventure Stories & Travel Reports => Topic started by: justadude on July 17, 2020, 02:42:52 AM
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About 2 months ago I started talking to a Siberian girl I met online. Lots of planning and video calls but to make a long story short I flew 6 times over 50 hours to get onto Odessa. Meanwhile she flew twice and took a 10 hour taxi ride. I broke my self imposed rule of never to send money to someone I've not met in person. I didn't believe it was gonna actually happen until I picked her up at the airport. We've been staying in a nice $40/day apart with a sea view for the past two days. I avoided quarantine but she is under it. We are about to go get her a test which if negative will end hers early. I'll check back later
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You made it to Ukraine! but what about that Belarussian girl in Cali? How the heck does it take 6 flights to get there? I can fly direct from LA to Moscow.
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As some may recall you are not that comfortable flying. But the number of flights and hours shows dedication! Would be curious about the itinerary versus cost.
I will guess your flat mate came by car (taxi) from Belarus.
In any event how is Odessa today? Would be interesting to read your impressions.
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Nice girl...seems you got a thing for blondes ;D
So she's from Russia but flew to Ukraine because of the closed borders right...you guys coulda gone to Thailand or something!
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Great job and bravo.
Don’t return any phone calls from the long-haul truckers wife when you return either.
If you do one of us may need to pay you a personal visit and read you riot act. :coffeeread:
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I will guess your flat mate came by car (taxi) from Belarus.
If she did, 10 hours is incredible ..
11 h 39 min (1,034.4 km) via Е271/М5 and E95
Fair play to the lass.. she's had one HELL of a journey
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You made it to Ukraine! but what about that Belarussian girl in Cali? How the heck does it take 6 flights to get there? I can fly direct from LA to Moscow.
I stopped communicating with the girl in Cali. I just gave up on it. And just like in 2016 when a relationship with a California/Belarussian ended, I went to Ukraine haha.
Travel is crazy during the pandemic. Flights are canceled all the time. The EU to UA leg of my journey was canceled twice by different airlines so I took what I could get. The whole thing had a lot of moving parts and the both of us couldn't believe that it actually worked. I don't want to say what you can or cannot do, but one thing that helped me was to check flightstats at airports where I wanted to go, to see that flights by my chosen airline were really being completed.
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Can you tell us if your Siberian lass is normally resident in Russia and holding RU citizenship ?
I ask, as I'm intrigued how she 'got out'
I thought Russians couldn't leave Russia ( unless they are resident in the destination country, or Diplomat's wives ) under the current COVID-19 regs
I've read of Marshrutka's ( Mini vans ) taking back roads from RU to BY to circumvent the rules.
IF she's an RU citizen, won't she need to explain her exit / entry stamps and be quarantined on her return.
I understand if you don't want to to into this, it's just my wife is waiting to be allowed out to fly to me.
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As some may recall you are not that comfortable flying. But the number of flights and hours shows dedication! Would be curious about the itinerary versus cost.
I will guess your flat mate came by car (taxi) from Belarus.
In any event how is Odessa today? Would be interesting to read your impressions.
Yes that's right. Leaving Russia for Russian citizens right now is a little tricky. The details are actually clandestine and exciting.
Odessa is super awesome. We happened to arrive at a time of mild weather with highs in the low 80s. Our apartment is brand new. She loves it and so do I. We are planning to head North in a few days by train, then later rent a car in Lvov and drive to IF and maybe Yaremenche, where sadly there have been catastrophic floods a month ago.
Getting ideas from others on FB expat groups helped a lot with travel planning and figuring out how the quarantine app works. When I crossed into Ukraine no one asked me to set up the app on my phone so I was set free, but she was not so lucky.
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Great job and bravo.
Don’t return any phone calls from the long-haul truckers wife when you return either.
If you do one of us may need to pay you a personal visit and read you riot act. :coffeeread:
Fair enough!
My "gf" is cooking breakfast in her underwear right now haha. She's just gorgeous and so sweet.
I'll get back to the story later.
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As some may recall you are not that comfortable flying. But the number of flights and hours shows dedication! Would be curious about the itinerary versus cost.
I will guess your flat mate came by car (taxi) from Belarus.
In any event how is Odessa today? Would be interesting to read your impressions.
Yes that's right. Leaving Russia for Russian citizens right now is a little tricky. The details are actually clandestine and exciting.
Odessa is super awesome. We happened to arrive at a time of mild weather with highs in the low 80s. Our apartment is brand new. She loves it and so do I. We are planning to head North in a few days by train, then later rent a car in Lvov and drive to IF and maybe Yaremenche, where sadly there have been catastrophic floods a month ago.
Getting ideas from others on FB expat groups helped a lot with travel planning and figuring out how the quarantine app works. When I crossed into Ukraine no one asked me to set up the app on my phone so I was set free, but she was not so lucky.
I know that area very well and all the Carpathians within a couple of hours of there, we go usually once or twice a year, I would make enquiries about visiting it before going as a number of the roads have been washed away, the place last I heard a few weeks ago was in a terrible mess, so not sure if its possible to reach the area at the moment and whether any hotels etc are operating.
Edit: just checked with my wife and we have friends that are actually at a resort in Vedmezha Gora (only a few miles from Yaremche) and they say things are fine, she spoke to them a couple of days ago apparently.
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According to my research, all of Europe except Croatia is off limits to Americans. How were you able to get in.
Also can you explain to us why so many flights?
The Ukrainian airline flies to NYC so it should be one domestic american flight and one international flight. Even if you stopped in FRA it could be something like SFO / FRA / KBP. This would be two legs.
Not sure if big hubs like FRA, CDG, LIS are allowing americans to transit. Even on a transit one could still potentially infect people.
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I'm here watching the news with Nadezhda looking at all the border closures.
Meanwhile justadude is in Odessa with krasivaye Natalya!
Maladetz!
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Yes that's right. Leaving Russia for Russian citizens right now is a little tricky. The details are actually clandestine and exciting.
Hmm, this will be 'interesting' as clandestine in, means doing the same on the reverse leg .. ? :coffeeread:
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I'm here watching the news with Nadezhda looking at all the border closures.
Meanwhile justadude is in Odessa with krasivaye Natalya!
Maladetz!
Let's wait until they are both back in their respective homelands ..
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I'm here watching the news with Nadezhda looking at all the border closures.
Meanwhile justadude is in Odessa with krasivaye Natalya!
Maladetz!
haha!
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According to my research, all of Europe except Croatia is off limits to Americans. How were you able to get in.
Also can you explain to us why so many flights?
The Ukrainian airline flies to NYC so it should be one domestic american flight and one international flight. Even if you stopped in FRA it could be something like SFO / FRA / KBP. This would be two legs.
Not sure if big hubs like FRA, CDG, LIS are allowing americans to transit. Even on a transit one could still potentially infect people.
Every time I have flown to Ukraine I have gone from either Sacramento or San Francisco to some US city further East, then to Western Europe then to Kiev. In this case, I went Sacramento, Chicago, Vienna, Rome, Kiev. Originally it was Sacramento Chicago Vienna Kiev, but the Vienna to Kieve flight was cancelled so I replaced it with two other flights. Then getting from Kiev to Odessa was a different issue.
We have been getting along really well. We went sunrise Kayaking on the Black Sea yesterday morning.
When I go on vacation looking at real estate is one of my favorite things to do. We have looked at a few new apartments here in Odessa in the $60-90K range. Going to look at a new cottage later today.
Thanks for the update on the Yaremche area. The current plan is to fly to Lvov in a few days then rent a car and drive to IF and Yaremche.
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..and the how She got here has to wait ? :popcorn:
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why u so curious Moby..it ain't YOUR gf... get er dude! how long you gonna be in Ukraine?
Hit Crimea if you can.
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why u so curious Moby..it ain't YOUR gf... get er dude! how long you gonna be in Ukraine?
Hit Crimea if you can.
Why don't you READ ( before posting daft ) and you'd realise the RU border is closed ( unless you are a diplomat or said diplomat's family member, reserved occupations and those with residency in the destination nation )
I'm interested as I don't want SC in Cyprus, but in the UK.
However, her movements need to be legal - hence my question
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justadude don't worry about moby he doesn't provide useful advice. hope you guys have fun!
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justadude don't worry about moby he doesn't provide useful advice. hope you guys have fun!
'Guile'. this is not 'our' thread.. So, I'll respond to your trolling one last time
1/ I'm genuinely interested in the clandestine arrival of Miss Siberia and how she'll return
2/ Unlike you, I post lots of factual info accompanied by photos of REAL visits to the FSU .. YOU?.. You 'advise' people not to go to places you've never been to... :coffeeread:
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justadude just ignore Moby. How she got to Odessa is none of his business.
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How did he not have to quarantine for two weeks?
the information says that if you're arriving from a "red country" you must quarantine.
Currently the US is flaming red.
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Can you post a photo of you with todays or tomorrows Odessa Times with date clearly showing or something like that as proof that you are in Ukraine? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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How did he not have to quarantine for two weeks?
An answer you are unlikely to get, as this story like most of his previous tales reads like total bullshit!!!
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How did he not have to quarantine for two weeks?
An answer you are unlikely to get, as this story like most of his previous tales reads like total bullshit!!!
Bruce! Welcome back!
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Honestly I'm a little bit concerned about posting the details publicly
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How did he not have to quarantine for two weeks?
the information says that if you're arriving from a "red country" you must quarantine.
Currently the US is flaming red.
I had a similar experience as a couple other guys I've been talking to on FB groups. I showed my insurance document to the border guard along with the passport. She stamped it and said welcome to Ukraine. That was in Kiev. Then in Odessa it was a domestic flight so I just walked off the plane and got in my Uber taxi.
My gf OTOH, had quarantine. But we got her a CV19 test and was set free. We found that we were able to leave our apartment for up to 3 hours at a time between the required selfies without getting in trouble
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Honestly I'm a little bit concerned about posting the details publicly
Wise.
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I showed my insurance document to the border guard along with the passport. She stamped it and said welcome to Ukraine.
With the understanding that I am not asking for personal information, what constitutes an "insurance document"?
Then in Odessa it was a domestic flight so I just walked off the plane and got in my Uber taxi.
Uber doesn't always work at the airport. Maybe it's better now.
B/B
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How did he not have to quarantine for two weeks?
the information says that if you're arriving from a "red country" you must quarantine.
Currently the US is flaming red.
He's already said that he flew from Rome to Kiev. Italy is on the green list.
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How did he not have to quarantine for two weeks?
the information says that if you're arriving from a "red country" you must quarantine.
Currently the US is flaming red.
He's already said that he flew from Rome to Kiev. Italy is on the green list.
Most countries take heed of transits. Flying from Cootiestan to Italy and then to Ukraine would not provide a suitable buffer. Again though, I am curious about when he flew given that Europe has been closed to the plague country for a long time.
Something doesn't add up.
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How did he not have to quarantine for two weeks?
the information says that if you're arriving from a "red country" you must quarantine.
Currently the US is flaming red.
He's already said that he flew from Rome to Kiev. Italy is on the green list.
One must have been in Italy 14 days to be considered green. You don't just stop being high risk in a few hours
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Honestly I'm a little bit concerned about posting the details publicly
Dear Justadude,
I believe you are where you say you are and it was you who spoke of the clandestine routing.
Perhaps you can reveal more when you are botb back home, safe.
I am genuinely interested in how you did it as, before Aug 1st, meeting a Russian...even one's wife, without quarantine, seemed impossible.
What you may have done is rather rash, given the pandemic, but it will still be interesting reading.
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At first I read this and thought wow, way to go, but as I think about it more, I think this is all a big lie. Now why would an adult go through the trouble of making up a fantastic story like this? Maybe someone can google search the photos and see what comes up. Here are the facts and inconsistencies.
1. The author of the post claims he took six flights then mentions only four flights which are as follows.
A. SMF / ORD
B. ORD / VIE
C. VIE / FCO (Rome)
D. FCO / KBP
2. The author claims his “girlfriend” took two flights then a ten hour taxi ride. Most Ukrainians take the train, but lets assume he paid for this ten hour taxi ride. Then he claims he picked her up at the airport? So if those two flights were from Siberia to Moscow and then Moscow to Kiev and then the drive to Odessa how did he pick her up from the airport if he himself said he flew into Odessa?
3. Also, I searched online and could not find any flights from Moscow to Kiev.
4. Also how would he not be quarantined if hes coming from America. She would also need to be quarantined. Theyre both coming in from countries with very high infection rates. See below.
The fact that the author has insurance doesn’t mean he isn’t infected. Insurance is a promise to pay when the bill arrives, its not a declaration of a clean bill of health.
“Red zone” countries are countries that have more than 40 active COVID-19 cases per 100,000 population. Travelers entering from “red zone” countries are required to undergo a 14-day quarantine upon entry to Ukraine. These include:
• Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Belgium, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Cape Verde, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, France, French Guiana, Gabon, Guatemala, Guinea-Bissau, Haiti, Honduras, Iraq, Israel, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Luxembourg, Maldives, Mauritania, Mayotte, Mexico, Moldova, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Oman, Pakistan, Palestine, Panama, Peru, Portugal, Qatar, Russia, Sao Tome and Principe, Saudi Arabia, Seychelles, Singapore, South Africa, Spain, Suriname, Sweden, Turks and Caicos, UAE, United Kingdom, and the United States of America
Citizens and nationals of “red zone” countries do not need to undergo quarantine if they have arrived from the “green zone.” They will need to prove that they have physically been in the “green zone” countries in the last 14 days.
Then there’s my personal opinion. I’m 38 and the only FSU women which are currently communicating with me are aged 44. Ideally I seek a 30 year old woman but guess what it ain’t 1999 no more. I find it difficult that a Russian woman would be interested in meeting an American right now and especially if said American is 20 years older than her. The woman in the photos is either a 9 or a 10. This is extremely difficult to find now, basically impossible. If the woman’s intention is for a long term relationship, why is America still attractive to her? What does a country with civil unrest, high unemployment and 140,000 preventable covid deaths have to offer her? Add to this the strong anti Russian sentiment and the sanctions. If the woman only wants a shag why bother with a 20 year older American which can potentially bring the virus? So there are only two logical options left. Either he paid her or this is all a lie. But given the irregularities in the story based on the facts above, I would go for the latter.
p/d Steve, can you be so kind as to tell us how many 9’s and 10’s from Russia are currently on your site?
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At first I read this and thought wow, way to go, but as I think about it more, I think this is all a big lie. Now why would an adult go through the trouble of making up a fantastic story like this? Maybe someone can google search the photos and see what comes up. Here are the facts and inconsistencies.
1. The author of the post claims he took six flights then mentions only four flights which are as follows.
A. SMF / ORD
B. ORD / VIE
C. VIE / FCO (Rome)
D. FCO / KBP
2. The author claims his “girlfriend” took two flights then a ten hour taxi ride. Most Ukrainians take the train, but lets assume he paid for this ten hour taxi ride. Then he claims he picked her up at the airport? So if those two flights were from Siberia to Moscow and then Moscow to Kiev and then the drive to Odessa how did he pick her up from the airport if he himself said he flew into Odessa?
3. Also, I searched online and could not find any flights from Moscow to Kiev.
4. Also how would he not be quarantined if hes coming from America. She would also need to be quarantined. Theyre both coming in from countries with very high infection rates. See below.
The fact that the author has insurance doesn’t mean he isn’t infected. Insurance is a promise to pay when the bill arrives, its not a declaration of a clean bill of health.
“Red zone” countries are countries that have more than 40 active COVID-19 cases per 100,000 population. Travelers entering from “red zone” countries are required to undergo a 14-day quarantine upon entry to Ukraine. These include:
• Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Belgium, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Cape Verde, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, France, French Guiana, Gabon, Guatemala, Guinea-Bissau, Haiti, Honduras, Iraq, Israel, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Luxembourg, Maldives, Mauritania, Mayotte, Mexico, Moldova, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Oman, Pakistan, Palestine, Panama, Peru, Portugal, Qatar, Russia, Sao Tome and Principe, Saudi Arabia, Seychelles, Singapore, South Africa, Spain, Suriname, Sweden, Turks and Caicos, UAE, United Kingdom, and the United States of America
Citizens and nationals of “red zone” countries do not need to undergo quarantine if they have arrived from the “green zone.” They will need to prove that they have physically been in the “green zone” countries in the last 14 days.
Then there’s my personal opinion. I’m 38 and the only FSU women which are currently communicating with me are aged 44. Ideally I seek a 30 year old woman but guess what it ain’t 1999 no more. I find it difficult that a Russian woman would be interested in meeting an American right now and especially if said American is 20 years older than her. The woman in the photos is either a 9 or a 10. This is extremely difficult to find now, basically impossible. If the woman’s intention is for a long term relationship, why is America still attractive to her? What does a country with civil unrest, high unemployment and 140,000 preventable covid deaths have to offer her? Add to this the strong anti Russian sentiment and the sanctions. If the woman only wants a shag why bother with a 20 year older American which can potentially bring the virus? So there are only two logical options left. Either he paid her or this is all a lie. But given the irregularities in the story based on the facts above, I would go for the latter.
p/d Steve, can you be so kind as to tell us how many 9’s and 10’s from Russia are currently on your site?
Someone is bored and jealous.
The answer is: Porsche, there is no substitute! 🤣🤣
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Omega, it's a stretch to suggest he's lying. Why would he? He's being a little economical with detail which is maybe wise if he's ducking and diving to get around virus restrictions.
Belavia do a bunch of Moscow to Kiev flights, stopping in Minsk FYI.
I'm sure he won't mind me confirming his internet connection is coming out of Ukraine.
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No quarantine for either?
I could pay a photographer in miami beach to do a nice photo shoot with some model in a nice high rise and say im elsewhere.
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that would be siberia - moscow - minsk - kiev.
3 flights.
some things dont add up.
why would the border guard let you pass without the quarantine.
this is a global health emergency.
other members here also doubt some points.
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Why are you guys all so curious as to how Justdude got there...he probably broke a few quarantine rules but it's his life.
Omega maybe you just aren't such a catch. I'm around your age and talking to girls in their 20's and 30's and enough of them are interested in a life abroad. But I've worked in Russia and know the language enough so I ain't some dude half way around the world looking for an online fling.
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It would appear that I'm not very good at math. 6 airports= 5 flights including the Kiev to Odessa leg
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At first I read this and thought wow, way to go, but as I think about it more, I think this is all a big lie. Now why would an adult go through the trouble of making up a fantastic story like this? Maybe someone can google search the photos and see what comes up. Here are the facts and inconsistencies.
1. The author of the post claims he took six flights then mentions only four flights which are as follows.
A. SMF / ORD
B. ORD / VIE
C. VIE / FCO (Rome)
D. FCO / KBP
2. The author claims his “girlfriend” took two flights then a ten hour taxi ride. Most Ukrainians take the train, but lets assume he paid for this ten hour taxi ride. Then he claims he picked her up at the airport? So if those two flights were from Siberia to Moscow and then Moscow to Kiev and then the drive to Odessa how did he pick her up from the airport if he himself said he flew into Odessa?
3. Also, I searched online and could not find any flights from Moscow to Kiev.
4. Also how would he not be quarantined if hes coming from America. She would also need to be quarantined. Theyre both coming in from countries with very high infection rates. See below.
The fact that the author has insurance doesn’t mean he isn’t infected. Insurance is a promise to pay when the bill arrives, its not a declaration of a clean bill of health.
“Red zone” countries are countries that have more than 40 active COVID-19 cases per 100,000 population. Travelers entering from “red zone” countries are required to undergo a 14-day quarantine upon entry to Ukraine. These include:
• Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Belgium, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Cape Verde, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, France, French Guiana, Gabon, Guatemala, Guinea-Bissau, Haiti, Honduras, Iraq, Israel, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Luxembourg, Maldives, Mauritania, Mayotte, Mexico, Moldova, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Oman, Pakistan, Palestine, Panama, Peru, Portugal, Qatar, Russia, Sao Tome and Principe, Saudi Arabia, Seychelles, Singapore, South Africa, Spain, Suriname, Sweden, Turks and Caicos, UAE, United Kingdom, and the United States of America
Citizens and nationals of “red zone” countries do not need to undergo quarantine if they have arrived from the “green zone.” They will need to prove that they have physically been in the “green zone” countries in the last 14 days.
Then there’s my personal opinion. I’m 38 and the only FSU women which are currently communicating with me are aged 44. Ideally I seek a 30 year old woman but guess what it ain’t 1999 no more. I find it difficult that a Russian woman would be interested in meeting an American right now and especially if said American is 20 years older than her. The woman in the photos is either a 9 or a 10. This is extremely difficult to find now, basically impossible. If the woman’s intention is for a long term relationship, why is America still attractive to her? What does a country with civil unrest, high unemployment and 140,000 preventable covid deaths have to offer her? Add to this the strong anti Russian sentiment and the sanctions. If the woman only wants a shag why bother with a 20 year older American which can potentially bring the virus? So there are only two logical options left. Either he paid her or this is all a lie. But given the irregularities in the story based on the facts above, I would go for the latter.
p/d Steve, can you be so kind as to tell us how many 9’s and 10’s from Russia are currently on your site?
Ideally I seek a 30 year old woman but guess what it ain’t 1999 no more.. Glad you finally come to that conclusion.. :thumbsup:
But you can still find a nice younger women BUT it aint easy!! Best to live in Russia
p/d Steve, can you be so kind as to tell us how many 9’s and 10’s from Russia are currently on your site? . Yes we do get lots of 9/10 women but 99.99% we transfer over to our other web site. https://www.facebook.com/CupidGuardcom-1946518872238288
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Good point
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Good point
Look on the good side of things.. two years you will be 40.. that's much more realistic age to find a women more doable for sure... nearly no chance in your early 30s ..
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Hey Manny, I can be from Ukraine too!
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Odessa times with todays date clearly showing in photo next to the girl.. its not rocket science like they do when they kidnap someone :laugh:
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He's a lier one way or the other...
either he's lying to us....
or he lied to Ukraine Border control
USarians (not having already spent 14 days covid free in a green zone) are HOT ZONED and should quarantine, so the f@cker doesn't care about public health.
Not only that, but he's been sneaking his girlfriend out on 3 hour blocks prior to her release from quarantine
:'(
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It's probably rare for authorities in any country to enforce the quarantine rule.
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In any case.. at the end of the day its going to be the "same old story"
Its nothing to worry about.. just if you want to get all excited and involved with jack..(Jackanory )
https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/attention-seeking-behavior
https://psychcentral.com/disorders/histrionic-personality-disorder/. :laugh: :laugh:
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No Billy, that's not correct. Enforcement varies from, for example, checks of physical presence every few hours to random checking. Some places check around 20% of incomers but combine that with harsh penalties. Others are more strict but with lower penalties. The penalties are seen not as punishment but as enforcement by market means.
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No Billy, that's not correct. Enforcement varies from, for example, checks of physical presence every few hours to random checking. Some places check around 20% of incomers but combine that with harsh penalties. Others are more strict but with lower penalties. The penalties are seen not as punishment but as enforcement by market means.
So if it's not rare, it's common for authorities to enforce the quarantine rule?
Even in USA we tell people from certain states to quarantine. With millions of people crossing state lines everyday, I doubt authorities have the time to check on people. I doubt nations have the time to check on foreign visitors. This is one rule that governments hope people abide by but can do little to enforce.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2020/07/08/road-trip-alert-the-list-of-states-with-travel-quarantines-keeps-growing/#6bca6f1966bd
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Hey Manny, I can be from Ukraine too!
The forum software shows you the host. It’s not infallible but dodgy VPNs look different to regular connections. Over a decade here gives me a good feelz if a host looks right or not. Moby’s dodgy VPNs are easy to spot. JAD is coming off a regular host.
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Hey Manny, I can be from Ukraine too!
The forum software shows you the host. It’s not infallible but dodgy VPNs look different to regular connections. Over a decade here gives me a good feelz if a host looks right or not. Moby’s dodgy VPNs are easy to spot. JAD is coming off a regular host.
JAD has admitted his shortcomings when it comes to committing to a woman on numerous occasions.
I believe his story that he’s with this new gal in Ukraine. If he doesn’t want to reveal all the details he’s being wise.
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Billy, when you travel away from the Land of the Free, you'll notice that you have to pass these things called Borders. You have to show passports or identity cards. That makes it easy to start tracking people.
Travel is a marvellous thing, opens the mind and provides a wealth of experience.
Until recently border controls were reinstated across EU internal borders due to Coronavirus and are still available for use.
Anyone flying is always tracked by ID.Almost anywhere else, border controls are normal.
Here's a tip, the United States is not the world.
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I could pay a photographer in miami beach to do a nice photo shoot with some model in a nice high rise and say im elsewhere.
From the various photographs, the one looking out over the water one can see Odessa in the background. The other taken from inside an apartment is clearly a post Soviet Union property development common to Russia, Ukraine and a number of other nations. It certainly is not Miami Beach.
Worth noting the rules for quarantine today in Ukraine are different it seems than two or three weeks ago.
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The forum software shows you the host. It’s not infallible but dodgy VPNs look different to regular connections. Over a decade here gives me a good feelz if a host looks right or not. Moby’s dodgy VPNs are easy to spot. JAD is coming off a regular host.
:ROFL:
Seeing mine do not use data centres you just proved your 'knowledge' of my VPNs.
MY connections look like Joe publica, because they ARE and not used by hundreds..
Manny, why make stuff up?
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The fact that the author has insurance doesn’t mean he isn’t infected. Insurance is a promise to pay when the bill arrives, its not a declaration of a clean bill of health.
Plus, I don't know about american insurances, but Dutch health insurance companies state publicly and *out loud* so noone misses it, they will not cover anyone visitting orange / red classified countries with regards to covid.
This means for instance: If I get sick in Belgium from covid, I'd better make damn sure I am back in Netherlands before reporting, or they won't cover my medical bills.
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Yes, similar in the UK. If the country you visit is on the list of 'essential business only' or not recommended at all, then your existing coverage won't work.
However, when going to Ukraine you need a Ukrainian government approved policy in order to enter. There are several approved policies that can be purchased before entering Ukraine. That's an additional coverage for health care in Ukraine so that travellers will not be a burden on the Ukrainian state if they fall ill with the virus during their stay.
Making life more difficult though is a requirement to enter the country with a mobile phone with an active Ukrainian sim card to enable the authorities to contact the traveller. You can't even buy the right type of dim card before leaving airside at the airport - although that might change. It looks like the requirement is for a Ukrainian mobile number so having roaming on one's normal sim is not sufficient.
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The forum software shows you the host. It’s not infallible but dodgy VPNs look different to regular connections. Over a decade here gives me a good feelz if a host looks right or not. Moby’s dodgy VPNs are easy to spot. JAD is coming off a regular host.
:ROFL:
Seeing mine do not use data centres you just proved your 'knowledge' of my VPNs.
MY connections look like Joe publica, because they ARE and not used by hundreds..
Manny, why make stuff up?
Whatever, nobody is interested in your shenanigans and this topic isnt about you.
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Billy, when you travel away from the Land of the Free, you'll notice that you have to pass these things called Borders. You have to show passports or identity cards. That makes it easy to start tracking people.
Travel is a marvellous thing, opens the mind and provides a wealth of experience.
Until recently border controls were reinstated across EU internal borders due to Coronavirus and are still available for use.
Anyone flying is always tracked by ID.Almost anywhere else, border controls are normal.
Here's a tip, the United States is not the world.
So after Justadude or any tourist passes through border patrol stations, when do you think they'll catch them when then violate quarantine rules? Who goes on vacation and abides by the 14 day self quarantine rules? Nobody.
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Billy, learn to read and then get back to us.
Until you are able to process the information already presented to you it is impossible to deal with you. If you had read the information presented then you'd know the answer to your infantile question.
Do you still need help with eating, or have you now mastered that skill?
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Billy, learn to read and then get back to us.
You been telling me that since the date on my signature line. You're also the one that believes authorities track the behavior of tourists 24/7 to see if they're breaking self quarantine rules.
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Billy, you can stick your fingers in your ears and cover your eyes and deny reality all your life if you choose. Your choice to blind yourself does not in any way alter reality.
Some countries do monitor what incoming travellers do. You can find out for yourself from the information I and others have shared. The reality is that you live in a country that is now often referred to as Cootistan because of the ineffectiveness of control over infection.
In the civilised world things are rather different.
Billy, we know that you are the poster child for cognitive dissonance. Ignorance is a tool for managing the effects of cognitive dissonance. Ignorance is not a good tool though because it simply stores up the stress while making you, the sufferer, look like an idiot. Don't worry though, you are surrounded by your peers. Where you are, you are not unusual.
One last thought. Where I live Covid-19 is now pretty much a done deal. Because we took action to control the virus life is now pretty much back to normal.
I'll be honest and say that I did not expect that matters would be wrapped up so fast.
On the other hand, I did not expect that the United States, the most powerful, wealthiest country with the best brains, best medical system and strongest economy would be the global epicentre of Coronavirus. I did not expect that, of all the countries in the world, the USA would fail so badly and so hard in every possible way - social, political, economic and medical.
As long as the civilised world can isolate Cootistan the current plague will soon come to an end. For you poor people over there - yeah, I was wrong. You lot are going to be stuck with this for longer than I could have believed possible.
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Billy, you can stick your fingers in your ears and cover your eyes and deny reality all your life if you choose. Your choice to blind yourself does not in any way alter reality.
Some countries do monitor what incoming travellers do. You can find out for yourself from the information I and others have shared. The reality is that you live in a country that is now often referred to as Cootistan because of the ineffectiveness of control over infection.
In the civilised world things are rather different.
Billy, we know that you are the poster child for cognitive dissonance. Ignorance is a tool for managing the effects of cognitive dissonance. Ignorance is not a good tool though because it simply stores up the stress while making you, the sufferer, look like an idiot. Don't worry though, you are surrounded by your peers. Where you are, you are not unusual.
One last thought. Where I live Covid-19 is now pretty much a done deal. Because we took action to control the virus life is now pretty much back to normal.
I'll be honest and say that I did not expect that matters would be wrapped up so fast.
On the other hand, I did not expect that the United States, the most powerful, wealthiest country with the best brains, best medical system and strongest economy would be the global epicentre of Coronavirus. I did not expect that, of all the countries in the world, the USA would fail so badly and so hard in every possible way - social, political, economic and medical.
As long as the civilised world can isolate Cootistan the current plague will soon come to an end. For you poor people over there - yeah, I was wrong. You lot are going to be stuck with this for longer than I could have believed possible.
So in a nutshell Andy you believe what the mockingbird US media tells you to believe?
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Not entirely sure what you're struggling to communicate here. Please have a second run at it for me. Thank you.
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Some countries do monitor what incoming travellers do.
The overwhelming majority of countries do not monitor tourists. They barely have enough police to take care of crime and traffic issues. They certainly aren't going to assign people to every tourist to watch them like NK does.
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Not entirely sure what you're struggling to communicate here. Please have a second run at it for me. Thank you.
Who is it you’re addressing? If you don’t quote me it isn’t crystal clear.
Thank you.
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Not entirely sure what you're struggling to communicate here. Please have a second run at it for me. Thank you.
Who is it you’re addressing? If you don’t quote me it isn’t crystal clear.
Thank you.
God, but some people struggle with context. For you Confederate. I was referring to your struggle to communicate.
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Billy, go do some learning then get back to us. Countries that are imposing quarantine on visitors do tend to enforce it. It's quite a big thing.
Not every country is like your adopted homeland - Cootiestan.
When you do the learning you'll discover that where self isolation is required it does tend to be enforced.
Please stop covering your ears and eyes. You keep doing it. You may not be the sharpest tool in the box but you do yourself no favours by trying to enforce your uninformed and prejudiced views on your better informed and more thoughtful peers.
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Not entirely sure what you're struggling to communicate here. Please have a second run at it for me. Thank you.
Who is it you’re addressing? If you don’t quote me it isn’t crystal clear.
Thank you.
God, but some people struggle with context. For you Confederate. I was referring to your struggle to communicate.
Context?
We are witnessing an attempt at a third coup d’etat against the American people over here in the USA.
From day one of Trump’s resounding victory in late 2016 there have been multiple unConstitutional attempts to overthrow the will of the people.
The coordinated Coronavirus followed immediately by the “black lives matters” Marxist farce is a continuous ongoing attack against the President and by extension all Americans.
As I clearly stated above: “you believe what the US mockingbird (CIA controlled) media tells you to believe”
Some of us who are fully awake do not believe the reported US death tolls, allegedly by CV19 and believe the figures have been manipulated from Day 1.
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I think some of you folks have forgotten this topic is JAD meeting the girl from Belarus.
He’s gone quiet. Maybe she kidnapped him.
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I think some of you folks have forgotten this topic is JAD meeting the girl from Belarus.
He’s gone quiet. Maybe she kidnapped him.
Or maybe he’s having the time of his life. :laugh:
Post another photo Dude! Especially when you get hitched!
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Lvov and the Alpine village of Bukovel. I don't think Ukraine (oooh kraine not you crane) is really all that poor. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a $400k chalet in Bukovel. Nice cars everywhere. Lvov is super clean and nice as compared to some parts of Odessa.
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Nice photos but it looks like your face masks are too big!! :chuckle:
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Lvov and the Alpine village of Bukovel. I don't think Ukraine (oooh kraine not you crane) is really all that poor. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a $400k chalet in Bukovel. Nice cars everywhere. Lvov is super clean and nice as compared to some parts of Odessa.
Yes there is a lot of money in that area, we visit a lot, usually in the summer / early Autumn some nice ski lifts taking you up the mountains and lots of other things to see, various new experiences they have added the last couple of years as you no doubt saw, BTW its a Carpathian village, not Alpine :chuckle:
Most of Western Ukraine has nice villages/towns/cities, good architecture etc,. can be quite a different experience to other parts of Ukraine.
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Lvov is super clean and nice as compared to some parts of Odessa.
I've been there and it is a nice place. Architecture closely resembles old Western European type and I can't remember seeing anything that resembles Soviet architecture. There's a huge historical cemetery there that is worth visiting. Ask a local about it. Sometimes there are dozens of tour buses lined outside. Tours are given in multiple languages. Polish is one since the land used to belong to Poland.
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Lvov is super clean and nice as compared to some parts of Odessa.
I've been there and it is a nice place. Architecture closely resembles old Western European type and I can't remember seeing anything that resembles Soviet architecture. There's a huge historical cemetery there that is worth visiting. Ask a local about it. Sometimes there are dozens of tour buses lined outside. Tours are given in multiple languages. Polish is one since the land used to belong to Poland.
If you mean Lychakiv Cemetery, yes its quite an amazing place to visit, I was last there two years ago.
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Lvov is super clean and nice as compared to some parts of Odessa.
I've been there and it is a nice place. Architecture closely resembles old Western European type and I can't remember seeing anything that resembles Soviet architecture. There's a huge historical cemetery there that is worth visiting. Ask a local about it. Sometimes there are dozens of tour buses lined outside. Tours are given in multiple languages. Polish is one since the land used to belong to Poland.
If you mean Lychakiv Cemetery, yes its quite an amazing place to visit, I was last there two years ago.
Yep, that's the one. My wife took me there when I first met her. I would never recommend inviting a woman to a cemetery but she invited me and its hard to refuse a woman
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L'viv is an amazing city. While many cities in Ukraine faced Sovietization, L'viv escaped this treatment. In fact L'viv was more or less the most easterly reach of the Austrian Hapsurg empire. This period in time was the high point of the Baroque period and one can find some amazing examples that mix a Central European influence with that of the prevailing Slavic flavor.
Certainly visit the Pinzel museum located in a small church.
Worth noting I suspect you are having coffee and pastries at Centaur in L'viv, my favourite.
Regarding Bukovel and the Carpathians in general I suspect allot more money was invested in this region before Russia meddled in the East and the Krim was lost.
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I went home to California on August 5th. Our plan was to meet in Mexico the following week. I bought her a total or 3 plane tickets from Ukraine to Mexico. For the first one in Lvov they wouldn't let her on the plane. Same thing for the second one from Kiev (in that case, looking back, we think the airport official was hoping she'd offer a bribe). The next day she flew with KLM through Amsterdam to Mexico City. Same carrier all the way. In Mexico City, they took her phone and passport and let her use a land line to call me to tell me she had to go back home. I was in LA, about 70 minutes from the Tijuana border with my two dogs. The plan was for me to teach my classes remotely from N Mexico and be together for a few months while we planned our next move. Also, I could drive home in 8 hours to take care of business up there, i.e., wrapping up my house sale. So I turned around and drove home.
I had been planning, off and on, to move to Ukraine for about 18 months. I was going to stop teaching math at the end of the 19/20 school year. Instead, I began the 20/21 year teaching remotely. I decided now is the time. My employer and I decided it was not tenable to teach remotely from Ukraine, so I gave 2 weeks notice, planning to leave on September 2nd. Meanwhile, my house is in escrow, scheduled to close in mid September. Over a one week period I sold 7 car sized items; a diesel tractor, a Porsche 911, an LS1 swapped V8 mini truck, a Honda swapped old school VW beetle, a box truck, a toy hauler and a Mini Cooper. I got close to market value for everything except the 911 and the Mini Cooper. Together they brought in $30k but market would have been closer to 40. The home sale, including the main unit and the abnb rental, is supposed to be furnished, which helped a lot. I had a garage sale, which brought in $1200, and sold most of my tools, the 3 welders being the big ticket items.
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On August 26th, I woke up and read a story on a Ukraine expat group, that the borders were being closed, due to covid fears, at midnight on August 29. I wondered if I could get a ticket for the 27th and arrive on the 28th. I called my booking agent, CheapoAir. They said they had nothing for the 27th, but that they could get me on a plane 11 hours from when I called! So I changed my ticket and got my affairs hastily in order. I stopped by my school and turned in my keys and laptop. I flew San Francisco to instanbul to Odessa. I stayed one night in Odessa, then onto the city where I plan to live with my girlfriend. She met me at the airport late last night. She's out getting her hair done right now. She's just as beautiful and sweet as I remember.
Along the journey, I found that Ukraine bumped the timeline for closing the borders up one day. If my math is right, I entered the country 2 hours before the border was shut. I am under self (ok not really by myself, haha) isolation quarantine for 12 more days. However, I took a covid test at the odessa airport. Assuming it's negative I should be free sometime later today.
My sister is taking care of my two small dogs. They need to wait another 80 days to travel, because they had to take a titer test which takes 90 days to process. I hired a company to ship them for me. Right now they are scheduled to fly out of LAX for, get this, $5400! Plus $700 for the titer test, $1000 to my sister... I'll have $7500+ into their travel by the time they get here to Ukraine.
I said a tearful goodbye to my daughter a week ago. At that point I thought I was going to get to see her a couple more times before I left. I also got a chance to say goodbye to my Mom and my brother.
My largest suitcase got lost by turkish Air. Thankfully the most important items were in my other two bags.
Next plan is to obtain some sort of semi-permanent residency for my girlfriend and I, then buy a car, then find a more permanent place to rent or buy a house, then get a job.
So kind of a big life change for me!
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Where do you plan to work? Salaries are low there
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wow big changes Justadude!! congrats and I hope everything goes smoothly in Ukraine.
Why didn't they let her into Mexico? Glad you took the jump, adventure awaits!
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Where do you plan to work? Salaries are low there
Money doesn't seem to be one of his problems..He just spent $7500 to bring his dogs over and he just sold his house, probably for a pretty penny knowing Cali real estate.
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Sorry, your initial plans didn't work out.
We have three airline tickets paid for (RU Bank card) that SHOULD be refunded in Jan 2021 for flights the were cancelled.
I am glad to see someone has gone for it..
I thought your g/f was from Siberia.
Did I miss something or has she stayed in UA?
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Update. I just got the lab results. I'm negative and free from quarantine.
I believe I have plenty of money to survive, but I think I'll try to teach to stay busy. At the top of my list is university professor. Most likely teaching English. I have a BS, MS, California Secondary Math Teaching Credential, 26 years experience teaching high school math, and recently completed an MA in psychology. Maybe I can do something with some of that. If I can find a uni that wants an English speaking math, engineering or psych professor that would be ideal. And yes, I realize the pay for educators is low here.
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Good News!
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At first I read this and thought wow, way to go, but as I think about it more, I think this is all a big lie. Now why would an adult go through the trouble of making up a fantastic story like this? Maybe someone can google search the photos and see what comes up. Here are the facts and inconsistencies.
1. The author of the post claims he took six flights then mentions only four flights which are as follows.
A. SMF / ORD
B. ORD / VIE
C. VIE / FCO (Rome)
D. FCO / KBP
2. The author claims his “girlfriend” took two flights then a ten hour taxi ride. Most Ukrainians take the train, but lets assume he paid for this ten hour taxi ride. Then he claims he picked her up at the airport? So if those two flights were from Siberia to Moscow and then Moscow to Kiev and then the drive to Odessa how did he pick her up from the airport if he himself said he flew into Odessa?
3. Also, I searched online and could not find any flights from Moscow to Kiev.
4. Also how would he not be quarantined if hes coming from America. She would also need to be quarantined. Theyre both coming in from countries with very high infection rates. See below.
The fact that the author has insurance doesn’t mean he isn’t infected. Insurance is a promise to pay when the bill arrives, its not a declaration of a clean bill of health.
“Red zone” countries are countries that have more than 40 active COVID-19 cases per 100,000 population. Travelers entering from “red zone” countries are required to undergo a 14-day quarantine upon entry to Ukraine. These include:
• Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Belgium, Bolivia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brazil, Cape Verde, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, France, French Guiana, Gabon, Guatemala, Guinea-Bissau, Haiti, Honduras, Iraq, Israel, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Luxembourg, Maldives, Mauritania, Mayotte, Mexico, Moldova, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Oman, Pakistan, Palestine, Panama, Peru, Portugal, Qatar, Russia, Sao Tome and Principe, Saudi Arabia, Seychelles, Singapore, South Africa, Spain, Suriname, Sweden, Turks and Caicos, UAE, United Kingdom, and the United States of America
Citizens and nationals of “red zone” countries do not need to undergo quarantine if they have arrived from the “green zone.” They will need to prove that they have physically been in the “green zone” countries in the last 14 days.
Then there’s my personal opinion. I’m 38 and the only FSU women which are currently communicating with me are aged 44. Ideally I seek a 30 year old woman but guess what it ain’t 1999 no more. I find it difficult that a Russian woman would be interested in meeting an American right now and especially if said American is 20 years older than her. The woman in the photos is either a 9 or a 10. This is extremely difficult to find now, basically impossible. If the woman’s intention is for a long term relationship, why is America still attractive to her? What does a country with civil unrest, high unemployment and 140,000 preventable covid deaths have to offer her? Add to this the strong anti Russian sentiment and the sanctions. If the woman only wants a shag why bother with a 20 year older American which can potentially bring the virus? So there are only two logical options left. Either he paid her or this is all a lie. But given the irregularities in the story based on the facts above, I would go for the latter.
p/d Steve, can you be so kind as to tell us how many 9’s and 10’s from Russia are currently on your site?
Ideally I seek a 30 year old woman but guess what it ain’t 1999 no more.. Glad you finally come to that conclusion.. :thumbsup:
But you can still find a nice younger women BUT it aint easy!! Best to live in Russia
p/d Steve, can you be so kind as to tell us how many 9’s and 10’s from Russia are currently on your site? . Yes we do get lots of 9/10 women but 99.99% we transfer over to our other web site. https://www.facebook.com/CupidGuardcom-1946518872238288
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Update. I just got the lab results. I'm negative and free from quarantine.
I believe I have plenty of money to survive, but I think I'll try to teach to stay busy. At the top of my list is university professor. Most likely teaching English. I have a BS, MS, California Secondary Math Teaching Credential, 26 years experience teaching high school math, and recently completed an MA in psychology. Maybe I can do something with some of that. If I can find a uni that wants an English speaking math, engineering or psych professor that would be ideal. And yes, I realize the pay for educators is low here.
Curious the City in UA you have settled in and the monthly living costs?
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Hats off to you for not messing about and grabbing the bull by the horns! :bow:
I’m really interested to see how life works out for you there.
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Congratulations not just a Dude!! Pretty cool!! tiphat
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Next plan is to obtain some sort of semi-permanent residency for my girlfriend and I, then buy a car, then find a more permanent place to rent or buy a house, then get a job.
When I was a young boy, my mom asked me about my plans when I grow up. I told her I'm going to find a girl and get married, then buy a house and then find a job. She told me my priorities were out of order.
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Your Uncle Sam says never forget him and he wants an Easter card stuffed with cash every 15 April. Your nephew facta also wants some attention. Probably more relatives will also appear. Stay in touch.
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JAD, have you burnt all your bridges?
If things go pear shaped have you a home to return to?
Knowing your previous form with FSUW, it seems probable that this relationship may not last or the complexities of living in Ukraine will simply overwhelm you.
What then?
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Your Uncle Sam says never forget him and he wants an Easter card stuffed with cash every 15 April. Your nephew facta also wants some attention. Probably more relatives will also appear. Stay in touch.
If he's working as a teacher of some kind he won't be needing to support the USAian national debt.
What's the rules about teachers having relationships with the students over there? Position of power and everything might create an appearance of a target rich environment where the targets are more interested in his mind and grades than his money. Problem is that's a tempting but risky option.
I hope that he doesn't go down that route. It might be an interesting read if he does, but it'll be a crappy life choice.
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Perhaps I am too careful. But looking at our hero's past history it seems to me some rash and hasty choices were made. I hope when the dust settles everything works out for the better of everyone involved.
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Perhaps I am too careful. But looking at our hero's past history it seems to me some rash and hasty choices were made. I hope when the dust settles everything works out for the better of everyone involved.
I agree with Av.
From what I've seen, he's jumped from one chick to another and usually with a high degree of mind changing, lack of commitment and strange goings on.
We all need to make that leap of faith at some stage so I hope it works out.
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Things are sort of cruising along here. It has been frustrating dealing with business back home and establishing things here. I bought a bicycle.
We have been working on our resident status. My Russian gf has a Ukrainian grandmother so we are trying to get her residency based on heritage. Looks like it will work but I try not to count my chickens before they hatch. (an idiom that she finds charming, by the way).
The approach for my residency is to form a company, which I have already done. In my case I will likely need to cross the border, probably to Turkey, to get a work based visa. That in itself is disconcerting with the border closings and restrictions in a pandemic world.
I'm not working now nor do I need to to make the budget work. But I still want to.
I try to pay for everything but she always tries to pay as well. She's always giving me back money that I've given her. She earns some money with online work. She cooks all the time. We go out to eat 3-4 times a week.
I met another USA guy, we both like him. We had a double date last night with him and a local girl he met. I encourage her to make and maintain friendships here. She is going out with a girlfriend today.
After 2 months we have had a fairly mild disagreement or three. She's a real sweetheart and we talk things through. And neither of us are blamers. We take responsibility for our own side of things. She's super cute with her looks and speech. Very resourceful too.
I'm homesick at times. But California is on fire right now so it's good not to be there. I miss my dogs. They should be here in November. I miss my daughter and hope to fly her over here around Christmas or more likely summer.
Shopping for a car now. I've driven a few. My tastes are somewhat unique in that I'm looking for a 2 door with an above average power to weight ratio. I've found some stuff I really like but it's almost always far away. On the short list is the Hyundai Genesis coupe, pre 2015 Civic type R and BMW 1 series 3 door. None of them are plentiful. Ukrainian tastes, like those in California, are moving toward bigger cars it seems.
That's all for now!
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I guess you're hellbent on getting a car and maybe in Odessa it's more of a necessity, but I can think of many reasons why I have decided not to get one.
I have over the years thought of buying a car. However, when I've sat down and actually gone over the pros and cons, I quickly decided to pass.
My top 10 reasons for this:
1) Traffic - Moscow has some of the worst traffic in the world. I've been to Odessa and while not anywhere close to Moscow regarding traffic, rush hours were no picnic. Drivers are much more erratic in Ukraine than in the States.
2) Parking - good luck finding a place and when you do it isn't a cheap proposition.
3) You will pay both registration fees and taxes on your car yearly. Not sure about Ukraine, but they're not cheap here in Russia.
4) Accidents - if you have one there will be a good chance you will be at fault regardless. And it can take up to 4 hours for the police to arrive, write a report and you can leave the scene. Insurance is another problem. No not getting it, dealing with it after an accident could be a headache.
5) Taxi's are much more convenient. Uber/ Citimobile/Yandex/Get, etc. offer some of the most inexpensive pricing anywhere in the world. e.g., I can go across town for less than $5usd. It's even cheaper in Ukraine. I use taxi's almost daily and my monthly nut is less than 10K rubles or around $100 a month.
6) Traffic police (ГАИ) - Much better than before as far as bribes go, but still can be a PITA. For example, if an officer asks you if you have had a drink and you say yes officer, last Tuesday (even though it's Friday now), they will ask you to exit your car and you'll be subjected to a breathalyzer test and possibly a blood test, yikes. The traffic police in Ukraine will still operate like "old times". Good luck with that.
7) Car sharing has become increasingly popular in the FSU and is even less expensive than taxi's should you really need a car.
8) If I'm out on the town I tend to imbibe and it's nice to know I'm a cheap taxi ride from home with no worries about being stopped.
9) I like being driven around, period.
10) Cost - I can probably get a car loan now, but typically as in JAD's case, you'll be paying cash for it. Cars are also more expensive in the FSU compared to the States and dropping $25K+ isn't really where I want to put my money at once. And that's not counting maintenance which will be higher than in the States also.
I could go on with my reasons and I'm probably missing some other, more important reasons, but these are the ones that come quickly to mind.
Sure, there are reasons to have a car, but they are far fewer IMO and the negatives far outweigh the positives. Living in Odessa will mean different problems of course, but this is a good general overview and these are things to consider before purchasing a car in the FSU. YMMV.
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I have to say that I tend to agree with Danchik. No I don't live in Ukraine and over here police are not a problem but almost everything else is similar.
The only area where I'd differ from Danchik, and this only applies if neither of you has a car: have a cheap very cheap, car that you regard as being disposable. Use it only to go on trips to the countryside every now and then. Places that Oleg Uber and Yevgeny Yandex won't want to go - at least not in a manner convenient to you. If car rental is becoming more of a thing then you don't even need that!
If you do buy a runabout put insurance and docs in your inamorata's name for convenience.
If you buy a car for occasional use you can park somewhere cheap but secured , even if it means taking a cab to the parking location. You'll probably find such parking in most suburbs serving nearby apartments that do not have adequate space for the residents to park.
And yes, I have a car, I'd not want to give it up, but I'd not lob out a load of money to replace it at the moment. My parking cost is €3.5 per month in the city centre. If I were paying what many people in the area pay, I might make different choices.
Oh, one thought, is the desire to have a car entirely driven by your wishes or is there an element of girlfriend pleasing going on?
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Bear in mind JAD is a bit of a motor head and likes working on cars. Especially altering there appearance. It would not surprise me if he found an older A6/A4 Estate and converted it into El Camino style vehicle. Though what would you call it, Das Brat?
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Registration for a car in RU ? 'Expensive' 3600R a year ?
Some of us actually do own cars there and have bought and sold 7 in the last six years
In the meantime, I haven't driven in modern day UA in a car so cannot 'help' re the UA equiv of DPS ( traffic police ) who are STILL corrupt in Russia and THE main reason to NEVER register as resident there and needing to get a RU licence ..(
Taxes ? In former soviet nations like RU sales tax is high, but with the weak currency,new cars are cheaper ( than in w.Europe) ... They depreciate less .. Do not know the current scene in UA..
I get the feeling JaD will work it out .
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Bear in mind JAD is a bit of a motor head and likes working on cars. Especially altering there appearance. It would not surprise me if he found an older A6/A4 Estate and converted it into El Camino style vehicle. Though what would you call it, Das Brat?
In Oz they'd call it an Ute.
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I try not to count my chickens before they hatch. (an idiom that she finds charming, by the way).
Is she functionally illiterate in her own language, or is she just flattering you? The Russian idiom is "цыплят по осени считают".
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Registration for a car in RU ? 'Expensive' 3600R a year ?
Some of us actually do own cars there and have bought and sold 7 in the last six years
In the meantime, I haven't driven in modern day UA in a car so cannot 'help' re the UA equiv of DPS ( traffic police ) who are STILL corrupt in Russia and THE main reason to NEVER register as resident there and needing to get a RU licence ..(
Taxes ? In former soviet nations like RU sales tax is high, but with the weak currency,new cars are cheaper ( than in w.Europe) ... They depreciate less .. Do not know the current scene in UA..
I get the feeling JaD will work it out .
Figures you'd pick the least important point of the ones I posted and inject your epic brand of douche to it.
You have never owned a car in Russia with only your name on the registration, if you did you'd understand that your car is taxed as a personal asset along with the rest of your assets when you file those docs and then you're taxed accordingly. We're not talking about import taxes or sales tax.
Registration is one thing, paying taxes on the car is another. You also don't live in Russia year round, so you have no idea, as usual, what you're talking about when it comes to owning a car here and the extra hassles you have to deal with on a daily basis (I didn't even mention all the cameras hanging around cities these days monitoring traffic and fining you for the smallest of infractions). The tax on the car is also based on the size of the engine, so the fees vary.
Why did I even mentioned the fees in my previous post? Because it's the equivalent to at least 2-3 months of taxis rides without the headaches of parking, police, stress, etc., and I took that into consideration. Car sharing is even cheaper than taxis if you're really jonesing to drive.
Fortunately, at least in Moscow, it doesn't take 2 days standing in line or getting the runaround to obtain the registration like in the past as they have streamlined the process and you can do it online. Not sure if that exists in Odessa.
If you had actually purchased a car in YOUR name, you would have to legally resister it in your city and that would require a "прописка" in order to secure the license plate, which you do not nor have ever possessed. You need to have, at minimum, a work visa to be able to do this.
Let's be honest, when you come to Russia you have your hand held by your now wife or other locals.
The reality is you couldn't negotiate a hot wheels transition in a toy store given your Russia skills. No car in Russia is or has ever been solely owned by you, it's impossible.
Finally, if someone (foreigner) wants to buy/own a car in this neck of the woods, by all means, knock yourself out. All I'm saying is know what you're getting into. It's not the same as your native country.
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It's ok Danchik the troll is banned. :chuckle: You are right about his (lack of) Russian skill. :ROFL:
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hey JustDude what's the update on the car and lady?
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It's ok Danchik the troll is banned. :chuckle: You are right about his (lack of) Russian skill. :ROFL:
Really?
Let me say that I have never talked to anyone through PM's about him being banned or wanting him banned. I do want to say though, that as long as he's gone, I'll post more to pick up the slack since now most of us can have "normal" discussions even if we disagree on things.
Can't say I'm sad about it. :P
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Yeah..Moby threatened to sign up using a fake profile and with one of his 2000 VPN ip's, Manny said ok try and and you're gone. :chuckle: If you check the past posts you can find it.
Feels alot lighter and more civil already! Are you in Moscow at the moment? I was in Russia last year working and left before the whole virus happened. The plan was to go back this year but obviously couldn't do so. I've worked in Moscow and Sochi and a few other smalls towns not worth mentioning lol.
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Yeah..Moby threatened to sign up using a fake profile and with one of his 2000 VPN ip's, Manny said ok try and and you're gone. :chuckle: If you check the past posts you can find it.
Feels alot lighter and more civil already! Are you in Moscow at the moment? I was in Russia last year working and left before the whole virus happened. The plan was to go back this year but obviously couldn't do so. I've worked in Moscow and Sochi and a few other smalls towns not worth mentioning lol.
Since JAD posts every month or so, I'll go :offtopic: Yes, Moscow is home for me. Sold my house in LA last year and plan on hanging out here until something better presents itself. I really like this place and have a great network of friends/acquaintances here built up over the years. Hard to leave.
I'll pass on checking anything to do with Moby thanks. ;D
I will say that things are pretty much back to normal here, and have been since the end of June. Gyms, restaurants, bars, malls etc. are all open. Masks are required to enter most, but not all places, or at least it's not strictly enforce and some places take your temperature wen you enter, but small inconveniences are easy to deal with.
The metro is almost back to normal capacity, but traffic seems a bit worse for some reason. My guess is more people driving because of corona fears. I use the metro only when I have to.
There will be no second lockdown as even Sobyanin realises that life has to go on and he feels things will not get any worse. I, for one, am very happy about all of this.
I've spent a lot of time on and off in Sochi before the lockdown starting with the World Cup in 2018. Nice place and have at times considered relocating there. I like playing poker and Estosadok hosts the European WPT there twice a year also - March and October. I might go in a couple of weeks if it hasn't been cancelled. Who knows?
More travel destinations are becoming available and slowly we're all moving in a positive direction.
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Danchik do you have Russian residency or are still getting visas? I know you're a long time poster but I don't know your story so sorry if you need to repeat yourself again!
I met alot of American teachers in Moscow on the 3 year tourist visa. Where you have to leave every 6 months but can be for a day. Basically they are working illegally but hey it's Russia.
Yeah I've heard from my Moscow friends it's pretty blase and lax now. before they had to scan QR codes.
Funny about Estosadok, I was there last year and played some poker cash games at the casino! Won a few hundred dollars actually. There are 2 casinos, the other one which is in Roza Hutor about a 10 minute drive is much smaller and was very quiet. It's a tourist place with the mountains the main attraction and skiing in winter.
Not sure if it is going on this year, have a look at the WPT site. Adler is supposed to be nice too but I didn't have so much time to check it out.
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I have a work visa/permit. Pretty easy to get for me nowadays. So easy, that someone does all the paperwork for me and I even offer to take it to the migration service to get it processed. All in all, it takes 2 trips (drop off/pick up) and a couple of hours to complete everything.
I'm a little surprised that some are teaching without year round visas since they're not so hard to get.
My story? Well, of course it's constantly evolving, but I'll try to be brief. I've been here a long time Guile (16 years) and I even speak the language. No, not fluently like a native, but I'm comfortable in most situations. My life had just about hit rock bottom in LA at the time and I decided to take a chance and make the move. Buying my house at the beginning of 2004 was key in that decision as it afforded me the opportunity.
Since you know the area, I live in a western renovated 2-room flat near metro Prospect Mira. Pretty nice area about 5-6 kilometres from Red Square for those of you who aren't so familiar. Been here for the last 10 years.
I don't teach that much anymore, just enough to satisfy my visa requirements. I've made the school I work for so much money that they stopped bothering me years ago. The only time I see them is when I go to get my salary.
And I'm not your "normal" teacher. For example, my lessons can be in a bar throwing back beers, having coffee in a cafe, or chatting in someone's office for an hour or 2. No grammar lessons, no exercises to do or check (or very few), no classrooms and I get paid fairly well to boot since the majority of these people are private students. My longest running student has been with me for over 13 years and his wife going on 5.
And since I'm from LA I can get away, visit family and friends in LA during the winter for a month or so and see the sun or travel around America/Mexico/Canada if the mood strikes. In some ways, it's almost an ideal situation for me and I now have Russian friends living in many different countries who I (me and my dev) have spent time with and whom constantly invite me to come visit. I truly feel blessed and humbled by it all.
I'm nothing special, just a guy who's been able to thrive in a place were many have failed for one reason or another. The main thing is I "fit" here and many don't. And for some strange reason Russians love me. I'm literally shocked by how much "love" (no perverts, not sex) that has come my way and the respect that has been shown to me. Something that rarely happened in America. Go figure.
I will always be grateful and indebted to this country. So much so, that I get emotional when I talk about it. I have said to many Russians, much to their surprise, that Russia saved my life and I'm not really exaggerating that much. This country has a very special place in my heart. I can safely say that for me, the feelings I have for the people I know here and the country in general are hard to put into words. I couldn't have written a better script.
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Danchik, do you own real estate in Russia? If so, how has it treated you over the years vs. if you had kept your toe in the California real estate market? It sounds like things are going pretty well for you over all.
I found a car I really like, a 2012 Mitsubishi Colt Ralliart. It's a tiny hatchback with a power to weight ratio of about 11lbs/hp. Not as fast as the 911 I sold for a song 3 weeks ago in California but definitely my style. The latest snag is that I think I need temporary residence before I can buy one. I'm working on that but I'd like to have a car now.
I'll likely always have a car or two whether it makes sense financially or not.
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Hey JAD, I'm with you, gotta have a car no matter the cost.
I just almost bought a 2001 Acura CL Type S for $1,500 but my mechanic said he would only pay $800 for it so I passed.
Gotta love those fast cars!
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Hey JAD, I'm with you, gotta have a car no matter the cost.
I just almost bought a 2001 Acura CL Type S for $1,500 but my mechanic said he would only pay $800 for it so I passed.
Gotta love those fast cars!
Did it have a J series V6? Those engines are badass.
As for the question about how things are going with my girl, pretty good. She said she goes by an old Russian saying, "keep your man's stomach full and his ***** empty". Which is kind cool. She cooks all the time. We don't eat out very often. She is struggling trying to find something to stay busy. She is trying a little entrepeneur-ish stuff right now. Where we live most people speak ukrainian so she is a fish out of water like me to an extent. She estimates only about 20-30% of the language is the same.
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Congratulations JAD.
Are you guys living in Kiev or Odessa?
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Danchik, do you own real estate in Russia? If so, how has it treated you over the years vs. if you had kept your toe in the California real estate market? It sounds like things are going pretty well for you over all.
I found a car I really like, a 2012 Mitsubishi Colt Ralliart. It's a tiny hatchback with a power to weight ratio of about 11lbs/hp. Not as fast as the 911 I sold for a song 3 weeks ago in California but definitely my style. The latest snag is that I think I need temporary residence before I can buy one. I'm working on that but I'd like to have a car now.
I'll likely always have a car or two whether it makes sense financially or not.
I have never owned real estate here. I missed a good opportunity back in 2005-2006.
If you remember, the real estate market appreciated tremendously during the run up to the subprime fiasco in America. My house in LA appreciated almost 150% in less than 2 years.
My plan was to sell my house then and see where the market went, both in California and in Moscow. Moscow real estate saw a huge increase in price from 2004-2008 as well.
To give you an idea, I was looking at a 2-room flat here for around $90K in 2006 that would run about $200K now (about $250K at its peak around '08). Unfortunately, I was talked out of selling my house (long story) and decided to sit it out after the subprime mortgage crisis, which BTW, didn't have much effect on the market here because very few Russians had mortgages at that time.
My plan in '05 was to sell my house, buy one here, or buy another house in LA after the market crashed. Oh well, opportunities lost :(.
Market appreciation/depreciation, both in Moscow and LA, is pretty consistent overall and to each other relatively speaking. California will always be an in demand market as is Moscow, but I think the market will eventually depreciate in the coming months in both cities. I mean the average price for a house in LA county the last time a checked was around $650K. That's a bubble market to me and why I sold last year.
It's a slow market in Moscow at the moment from what I hear and doesn't really benefit the buyer nor seller. I want to buy another house/flat, just not sure where or when. Too many questions given the current economic climate.
And yes, things are going well and life is good.
I "get" the car thing, just be ready to deal with extra headaches that's all. Mass transit in Moscow is really good and a car here is more of a status symbol than a necessity. If I ever move back to the States, I'd get a car in a heartbeat. Here, no need really, like I said, the disadvantages far outweigh the advantages.
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Where we live most people speak ukrainian so she is a fish out of water like me to an extent. She estimates only about 20-30% of the language is the same.
She'd be wrong. Linguistically, they are about 60-70% similar, enough that native speakers should be able to understand the other. I am a native speaker of Ukrainian, and learned Russian as an adult. It wasn't particularly difficult.
Why don't you consider moving east, to Kiev, Kharkov, or Poltava? People speak Russian there routinely.
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Hey JAD, I'm with you, gotta have a car no matter the cost.
I just almost bought a 2001 Acura CL Type S for $1,500 but my mechanic said he would only pay $800 for it so I passed.
Gotta love those fast cars!
Did it have a J series V6? Those engines are badass.
As for the question about how things are going with my girl, pretty good. She said she goes by an old Russian saying, "keep your man's stomach full and his ***** empty". Which is kind cool. She cooks all the time. We don't eat out very often. She is struggling trying to find something to stay busy. She is trying a little entrepeneur-ish stuff right now. Where we live most people speak ukrainian so she is a fish out of water like me to an extent. She estimates only about 20-30% of the language is the same.
Come back JAD!
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The chap is busy. ;D
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Yes, he's busy, but getting situated in a new city takes time and a lot of running around. Plus, the weather is still rather nice to enjoy the beach.
Odessa is an interesting city and rather big once you start exploring it. I was there a few years back and usually spent time around my apartment which was close to a decent beach, maybe a 10 minute walk. Not all of the beaches there are so nice.
A young guy living with my friend's dad (her dad lived in Odessa) was having a birthday party at the beach and it must have taken 45 minutes to get to this particular beach by car.
I'd be interested in first, why he choose Odessa as a place to set up shop, and secondly, his impressions of the place.
I was only there for 10 days, but I liked Odessa overall. Russian seem to be spoken in most places I/we went, even though I had trouble communicating with some locals. I thought it was my Russian moreso than Ukrainian being the language of choice. Maybe that's was the reason for my problems. My g/f had no problem communicating in Russian.
Oh, and as far as understanding the idiom " don't count your chickens before they're hatched", it's easy for any Russian to understand even explained IN English to them if they have an intermediate level or above. smh.
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There is a thread from a Dutch guy who lived for a number of years in Odessa. It is filled with some rather interesting observations. One day, sadly, he just stopped postings but it was a highly read travel thread.
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There is a thread from a Dutch guy who lived for a number of years in Odessa. It is filled with some rather interesting observations. One day, sadly, he just stopped postings but it was a highly read travel thread.
I remeber him, wonder wharever happened to him?
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We are not living in Odessa. I am a bit hesitant to give too many details, but I'll say we don't live in Kharkov, Odessa or Kiev.
And yes, I am struggling to adapt to my new environment. I get a bit discouraged from time to time just trying to figure things out. It seems there is an endless list of business related things that need attention.
We have been devoting a lot of energy to finding a new place to rent. I was committed to finding a house with a garage. I found one we really liked for $1500/month. I wanted stay under $1000 but I offered $1300, at the suggestion of a real estate agent who thought they might negotiate. The owner turned it down. It was way bigger than we wanted but was brand new and had a garage and yard. The area was not the greatest though.
I have been trying to be less picky and recently have decided that I can figure out a way to cohabitate with two little dogs in an apartment if it has a balcony. I think I can rent some commercial garage space to practice my hobby. We saw a couple places last night that would probably work and I should probably pull the trigger on one or the other.
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We are not living in Odessa. I am a bit hesitant to give too many details, but I'll say we don't live in Kharkov, Odessa or Kiev.
I guess you have your reasons, but aren't you being a tad paranoid?
And yes, I am struggling to adapt to my new environment. I get a bit discouraged from time to time just trying to figure things out. It seems there is an endless list of business related things that need attention.
Well, if you want to hang out in Ukraine for a while, you had better get used to it.
We have been devoting a lot of energy to finding a new place to rent. I was committed to finding a house with a garage. I found one we really liked for $1500/month. I wanted stay under $1000 but I offered $1300, at the suggestion of a real estate agent who thought they might negotiate. The owner turned it down. It was way bigger than we wanted but was brand new and had a garage and yard. The area was not the greatest though.
I have been trying to be less picky and recently have decided that I can figure out a way to cohabitate with two little dogs in an apartment if it has a balcony. I think I can rent some commercial garage space to practice my hobby. We saw a couple places last night that would probably work and I should probably pull the trigger on one or the other.
You'll be surprised at what you'll know and how to deal with things in even a year's time compared to now. At least you have a native speaker with you, that will temper some of the frustration dealing/adjusting with/to your new "home".
Wait until you start driving. :P
If you can't roll with the punches, living in the FSU can drive you crazy. I have found that landlords in these parts will only negotiate when they're desperate.
One tip, if you have never lived in an apartment building, finding out a bit about your prospective neighbours is highly recommenced if possible.
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A picture of how she makes money creating online content
What does she do? Some kind of cam work for blokes?
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A picture of how she makes money creating online content
What does she do? Some kind of cam work for blokes?
:laugh:
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This dude is justadog.
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Let the guy live his life. Jealous anyone, or maybe a bit too judgmental? How about offering some useful suggestions? Sheesh.
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A picture of how she makes money creating online content
What does she do? Some kind of cam work for blokes?
:laugh:
Its a fair question. I don't see what other online content you can create stood in front of an iPad in your bra posing. I'm not puritanical or judgmental, lots of girls earn money on Only Fans and sites like that now. Its quite a big earner for some women. It seems harmless enough. Covid safe too.
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It seems harmless enough. Covid safe too.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
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Let the guy live his life. Jealous anyone, or maybe a bit too judgmental? How about offering some useful suggestions? Sheesh.
Two thumbs up.
It takes two to tango.
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A picture of how she makes money creating online content
What does she do? Some kind of cam work for blokes?
... and he is watching her doing this job and takes pictures. High school teacher....
I can imajine the level of excitement.
Modern days Lolita story. Vladimir Nabokov rests.
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A picture of how she makes money creating online content
What does she do? Some kind of cam work for blokes?
... and he is watching her doing this job and takes pictures. High school teacher....
I can imajine the level of excitement.
Modern days Lolita story. Vladimir Nabokov rests is alive.
There I fixed that. I have in fact met JAD, and his name is not Humbert.
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Hey Just a Dude, how are you doing now?
Any plans for Halloween?
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Yes a couple of you hit the nail on the head. She dances in front of a camera and dudes send her money. I'm not joking. The platform she uses does not allow nudity and has other rules against what it considers inappropriate behavior. Furthermore, she blocks guys that say stuff she doesn't like. I don't get too involved in it but I listen if she wants to tell me about it.
She got to the end of her 90 day UA tourist visa and we decided to send her back home. Meanwhile, I have been working on temporary residence. One step along the way was that I needed to make a visa run. I chose Turkey, at the suggestion of an attorney that has been helping me. So I had my girl meet me in Istanbul for 10 days. I just got back to Ukraine tonight and Little V is on her way back to Russia now. So I now have a work based visa. There are a few more steps to getting 3 years temporary residence.
Istanbul was much nicer than expected. We spent the last two nights on princess island which was super quaint. We rode bicycles around the perimeter and had lunch at a seaside restaurant on the South side of the island.
Earlier in the trip we rented a car and drove to the ski resort of Uludag. I commented that these were the nicest roads I had ever seen and then we found out why when we started paying tolls to the tune of 286 Turkish Lira for 300km of driving! That's about $35 for 180 miles. Completely rediculous in my opinion. The non-toll roads were also pretty good. Most of the streets were pretty clean. Street cats everywhere and quite a bit fewer street dogs.
I still think she is an angel. She has a sense of humor and is really smart and super cute. She can get a little cranky when she's hungry though, haha. And yes I get the Humbert reference as she made me watch Lolita. But I assure you she is not underage. Despite how young she looks I've seen her passport enough times to know she's in her mid 20s.
I got a job teaching an engineering course at a local public university. So I'm pretty much a legitimate university professor but it's not really all that glamorous at this point. I have an interview with a medical center for part time face to face psychotherapist work tomorrow.
I got a new apartment a month ago. It's right across the street from the university. I ride my mountain bike a lot for transportation but I'm planning to buy a car this week. I have been hanging out quite a bit with a younger American guy who is also an educator. His parents came for a 3 week visit. Little V got to meet them and she was a big hit, especially with the step Dad, haha. And we hang out with an Australian dude once in a while.
I hope to see her again in late November, which is also when my puppies are supposed to arrive. We are talking about our next meeting, but I have told her I'm going to slow down on my spending a little bit. I've flown that girl quite a few places since July and it's hurt the pocketbook a bit.
That's all for now.
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Good to hear from you JAD.
Teaching an engineering course is very impressive. I thought you were a math teacher back in the USA but I guess they are related?
The vacation in Turkey sounds really nice.
Are you getting more comfortable being in a foreign country?
It took me awhile to adjust to life in Germany when I was there for 3 years. However since I was in the service I lived and worked with Americans. I went out on my own more than the average bear.
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JaD
Good to hear your up date. Joy and happiness in the future.
Some of us are relieved to hear your organs were not separated from your body.
Av
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JaD
Good to hear your up date. Joy and happiness in the future.
Some of us are relieved to hear your organs were not separated from your body.
Av
Haha during the trip little V asked me "how many kidneys do you have?". I chuckled to myself, thinking what you just implied, but she went on to explain that her sister has an extra half a kidney.
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Good to hear from you JAD.
Teaching an engineering course is very impressive. I thought you were a math teacher back in the USA but I guess they are related?
The vacation in Turkey sounds really nice.
Are you getting more comfortable being in a foreign country?
It took me awhile to adjust to life in Germany when I was there for 3 years. However since I was in the service I lived and worked with Americans. I went out on my own more than the average bear.
I have a BS in mechanical engineering and a MS in engineering/business administration. I couldn't get a job as an engineer when I graduated back in the day so I became a high school math teacher. Those who can, do, those who can't, teach!
But then a few years ago I taught an automotive related mechanical engineering course at a California State University as an adjunct lecturer.
How long would you say it took you to really start to feel comfortable and hit your stride living in Germany?
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Hey JAD pleased it's working out,
but have I missed something? Do you speak Russian/Ukrainian well enough to teach? or you will teach in English with someone translating for you?
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Hey JAD pleased it's working out,
but have I missed something? Do you speak Russian/Ukrainian well enough to teach? or you will teach in English with someone translating for you?
Redroo, I know that Danchik knows a lot more than I do but many schools work on the premise that the teacher only speaks in the language being taught. It's a bugger but they think it effective.
Biggest drawback is that many schools require teachers to have a qualification in the language being taught.
It is not enough for a moderately fluent bloke to rock up and expect to teach people. If one cannot parse a sentence correctly then one will have problems.
There are/were options that did not require such qualifications but there are significant disadvantages to working in environments where qualifications in teaching the target language are not required.
Danchik, through entrepreneurial skill managed a different course to his current position. I don't think many people succeeded back then and probably less so today. He's written a load of posts in the waybackwhen on this forum about his route to survival and success.
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Can you become a resident in Ukraine overnight?
Getting a work permit for 12 months or something to do a bit of teaching is rather different to getting a residency!
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Hey JAD pleased it's working out,
but have I missed something? Do you speak Russian/Ukrainian well enough to teach? or you will teach in English with someone translating for you?
Redroo, I know that Danchik knows a lot more than I do but many schools work on the premise that the teacher only speaks in the language being taught. It's a bugger but they think it effective.
Biggest drawback is that many schools require teachers to have a qualification in the language being taught.
It is not enough for a moderately fluent bloke to rock up and expect to teach people. If one cannot parse a sentence correctly then one will have problems.
There are/were options that did not require such qualifications but there are significant disadvantages to working in environments where qualifications in teaching the target language are not required.
Danchik, through entrepreneurial skill managed a different course to his current position. I don't think many people succeeded back then and probably less so today. He's written a load of posts in the waybackwhen on this forum about his route to survival and success.
Being a teacher recquires an almost unique skill set.
I know a number of extremely talented sailors, both cruising and racing, they cross oceans and cross the finish line first. But for there life they can not communicate, share and teach there knowledge.
That JaD managed high school students (teenagers) is phenomenal. If I look at teenagers today and needed to teach them I would most likely end up in prison for beating them or worse.
In fact our parents were teachers and they had varying degrees of success.
There is a quote from P. Collins to the effect. 'I teach you and also learn from you.'
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Good to hear from you JAD.
Teaching an engineering course is very impressive. I thought you were a math teacher back in the USA but I guess they are related?
The vacation in Turkey sounds really nice.
Are you getting more comfortable being in a foreign country?
It took me awhile to adjust to life in Germany when I was there for 3 years. However since I was in the service I lived and worked with Americans. I went out on my own more than the average bear.
I have a BS in mechanical engineering and a MS in engineering/business administration. I couldn't get a job as an engineer when I graduated back in the day so I became a high school math teacher. Those who can, do, those who can't, teach!
But then a few years ago I taught an automotive related mechanical engineering course at a California State University as an adjunct lecturer.
How long would you say it took you to really start to feel comfortable and hit your stride living in Germany?
About one year. I took a German class at the German Volkhochschule which really helped. I joined a German gymnastics club and made a good friend there. Met another German friend at the schwimbad. Also worked out at a German tai kwon do club.
I am assuming they are letting you teach in English, yes?
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There is a quote from P. Collins to the effect. 'I teach you and also learn from you.' [/size][/font]
Not unique to that Collins fellow! One reason I have enjoyed being a trainer and mentor for large parts of my life and career is that I tend to learn more from the process of teaching than I ever would on my own. For sure I learn from my clients all the time!
However, our hero is, I believe, already a trained teacher. He should at least know how to plan a lesson and maintain classroom discipline. In that regard he is wel ahead of most itinerant 'teachers' of English!
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So busy these days I haven't had time to post.
Yes, many universities have been hiring native English speakers now to teach certain courses. Yes, they use a translator.
This has been going on for years, especially people with specific/high technical and economic qualifications uncommon in Soviet Russia. Pay will vary, but it's the contacts that are the most important as that is where you make the most money, learn the most about the culture and be invited to the best places for entertainment.
I know that most Russian Professors make dick when it comes to pay regardless of tenure/qualifications and often supplement their income with private lessons, much like doctors.
Part of my success here can be attributed to whom I met rather than my skillset, even though that also played an important role. Russians/Ukrainians like drama/comedy, so being theatrical can be an advantage and it has helped me that I'm a bit dramatic and sarcastic.
As for JD, it's probably best he teach engineering as there will not so many females in class. :)
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I worked in Russia as an English and Chinese teacher to VIPs, oligarchs and the like. Some so close to the Kremlin that you wouldn't believe it if I told you.
This is where the money is but these jobs are very coveted. All expenses are covered and you are taken care of...you are still the hired help though and they can be very demanding.
For now I can't/won't go back to Russia due to covid. My friends in Moscow tell me infection rates are going skyhigh and people are less strict about safety protocols.
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I will guess your flat mate came by car (taxi) from Belarus.
If she did, 10 hours is incredible ..
11 h 39 min (1,034.4 km) via Е271/М5 and E95
Fair play to the lass.. she's had one HELL of a journey
Yeah Im surprised she just didn't want to meet up in Kiev at first. Thats a much, much quicker ride lol. And then after a bit of rest head on down to the sea! But hey, I understand that she was in quick need of the sea! I would have just taken a taxi to Kiev and then a flight to Odessa, Even a flight from Minsk if possible. If not flights then a train to Odessa (either from Kiev or Minsk). I know some people actually prefer taxis to trains, when it comes to long journeys. But there's just so much more room in a train lol. Unless the taxi is a freakin bus.
Edit: I forgot about Covid-19 lol. Stupid me! I can completely understand now why she'd prefer a private taxi. Even to a first class train ride.
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Great job and bravo.
Don’t return any phone calls from the long-haul truckers wife when you return either.
If you do one of us may need to pay you a personal visit and read you riot act. :coffeeread:
Fair enough!
My "gf" is cooking breakfast in her underwear right now haha. She's just gorgeous and so sweet.
I'll get back to the story later.
Thats interesting, perhaps the rules changed only in a matter of a couple months. I was in Turkey in September and there were many Russian tourists. In the FSU hotspot of Antalya. I've heard no issues of their return to Russia. They did need to take a Covid-19 test within 3 days of returning to Russia, though. Which was easy to get at the local airport. And provide documentation of the test results, as well as filling out some other paperwork, too. But, there were technically no issues, really. Thats from my understanding..
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But you can still find a nice younger women BUT it aint easy!! Best to live in Russia
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Exactly. Has nothing to do with "not wanting to be with foreigners". It has to do with not wanting a long-distance relationship, with a dude from another country, and having no interest in moving to his country. BUT, if he lives in Russia, close by to her, then why not? So long as they can communicate effectively and get on well together. And, if he has no intention of just packing up and leaving soon. If he thinks, "I won't be in Russia forever, I just don't know when I'll leave"...then they'll figure things out when the time comes. Most women probably even think they can persuade the guy to stay. Until then, they'll just be together and enjoy life!
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I guess you're hellbent on getting a car and maybe in Odessa it's more of a necessity, but I can think of many reasons why I have decided not to get one.
Agreed. I think, whether in Ukraine or Russia, the only reason to get a regular car is *status*. Unless you are living in a village somewhere lol. Basically, owning a car there is seen as having 'social status'. At least if its a nice car! And having that 'status' can significantly help your chances in the "ladies department". But, he's already got a lady and a quality one at that. So, what's the point? lol. In any case, much less is expected of foreigners anyway. Certainly, owning a nice car helps with status, but *not* owning one doesn't really hurt it. Locals completely understand if a foreigner wants to rely on taxis!
Anyway, status is overrated to me anyway, on a personal level. I just know that there's many men who crave to have it, and the "benefits" that come with it.
But yeah, other than that, there's really no reason. Taxis are dirt cheap. And most shops are also within walking distance, too. And, if you are someone who isn't use to driving on ice? Forget about it!
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Well, if you want to hang out in Ukraine for a while, you had better get used to it. [/quote]
Yeah. There's a reason why so many foreigners prefer to just live in Ukraine as a "tourist". Either visa-free or a tourist visa (depending on one's nationality). Many even go so far as to overstay their 90 days, likely thinking they can bribe the Customs official on their way out. I dont know if you still can, and I'll never recommend doing that, but it use to be very easy pre-2014. I know so many people who have done that. They figured it was easier doing that than getting any sort of residency. But, I don't support overstaying in any country...
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A picture of how she makes money creating online content
What does she do? Some kind of cam work for blokes?
The first thing that came to my mind was onlyfans ;). But, my mind was only joking, though!
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hey JustaDude/Brian, congrats! you are engaged now, great news...things progressed quickly, hope everything goes great. how's life in Ukraine? missing the Cali sun?
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Update. My dogs arrived a month back. I bought a 2008 Alfa 147 turbo diesel for $5500. She came back to Lvov from Russia 2 weeks ago. We took a trip to Bukovel for a few days. we had Chris dinner with another American Ukrainian couple last night. She'll likely stick around for another 2 weeks. Then I think I'll go to Odessa and maybe visit Moldova and Romania if I can drive there with my dogs.
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Merry Christmas dude!
Congratulations on the new ride and on getting your dogs.
Are you and the lady getting married?
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Merry Christmas dude!
Are you and the lady getting married?
Thanks. Late Merry Christmas to you and RUA as well. But I'm still a few days early for Russian Christmas.
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Merry Christmas dude!
Are you and the lady getting married?
Thanks. Late Merry Christmas to you and RUA as well. But I'm still a few days early for Russian Christmas.
Lucky duck. Depending on the girl I was with in the past, I'd celebrate two Christmas and New Years too. My wife is Catholic so now I get only one Christmas and New Year.
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I'm kind of torn at the moment. I'm actually pretty homesick. I need to be back in California in May to attend my daughter's graduation ceremony. I can't imagine taking the dogs back and forth for a visit there. Maybe I'll fly into New York, buy a car and drive to California. I've been looking at Southern California Real Estate. Meanwhile I'm thinking about leaving Lvov and going back to Odessa for a couple months.
When we drive around Western Ukraine we see some nice rolling hills and ancient architecture but it's not very far between s*** hole looking buildings that aren't maintained and ugly treeless landscape. I just don't see anywhere near the geographical or vegetation beauty that I see in many parts of California. Also, I can't make the food I like and, probably worst of all, I can't find a doctor with whom I can really communicate. Bottom line I'm kind of a sissy. I remember feeling this same way when I studied in London many years ago.
This girl I'm with is awesome. If I was smart I'd try to get her a K1 visa to the US. But the last 2 times I did that things didn't turn out too well. Her Russian passport in general makes things difficult. We tried to get her permanent heritage based residency in Ukraine (Ukrainian grandmother) but failed due to technicalities. She apologizes all the time for the trouble associated with her Russian citizenship. Meanwhile she misses her family as well. Then again she is well traveled and, in general, will do what I want her to do. She really is an angel in my opinion.
So I'm anxious a lot. I worry all the time about what should do next, how things will play out. When I can live in the moment, it's hard to find anything to complain about. I gave her a driving lesson today. She hasn't driven since she got her license in Russia when she was 17. We have a lot of fun together and enjoy talking about politics, dogs, pop culture, vintage movies, ...
Sorry for rambling. I'm just me with my shortcomings. I don't know what I should be doing at this point in my life. I wish I knew how other dudes figure out life in general. What gets you out of bed in the morning? Do you always have to have a goal to be shooting for? Do you worry about the future all the time? Do you worry about your woman and how your actions affect her now and in the future, whether you stay together or not? Do you worry about your children's future?
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A picture from the New Year's Eve party we attended. I saw a side of her that I've never seen. There was an inexplicable cattiness to her behavior. It was so important for her to be the hottest girl there. She kept talking about the other girl's outfits and men's behavior of which she disapproved. To me this isn't meant as a counterbalance to the praise I heaped on her in the previous post, but take it as you will.
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If she is well traveled, is the 3 year visitor visa not an option?
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A picture from the New Year's Eve party we attended. I saw a side of her that I've never seen. There was an inexplicable cattiness to her behavior. It was so important for her to be the hottest girl there. She kept talking about the other girl's outfits and men's behavior of which she disapproved. To me this isn't meant as a counterbalance to the praise I heaped on her in the previous post, but take it as you will.
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How old is she?
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I see we've entered the phase where you are looking for justifications to end the relationship.
Probably better to end things now before you destroy another woman who put her trust in you.
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She apologizes all the time for the trouble associated with her Russian citizenship.
Yet the rest of us manage to scrape by without it ever being much of an issue. :coffeeread:
Why not move to Russia if you want to live with a Russian woman from Russia? Why have her camp out in Ukraine?
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I don't know if Russia is issuing long term visas right now. Americans can get a 3 year tourist visa but if JAD is in Ukraine already he may need to go back to the states for it.
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Why not move to Russia if you want to live with a Russian woman from Russia? Why have her camp out in Ukraine?
Commitment.
People don't change.
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She apologizes all the time for the trouble associated with her Russian citizenship.
Yet the rest of us manage to scrape by without it ever being much of an issue. :coffeeread:
Why not move to Russia if you want to live with a Russian woman from Russia? Why have her camp out in Ukraine?
Is she a different woman than the Belarus woman? I am confused.
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I don't know if Russia is issuing long term visas right now. Americans can get a 3 year tourist visa but if JAD is in Ukraine already he may need to go back to the states for it.
No, Americans can get a visa a Russian visa at any Russian Embassy or consulate in the world.
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I don't know if Russia is issuing long term visas right now. Americans can get a 3 year tourist visa but if JAD is in Ukraine already he may need to go back to the states for it.
No, Americans can get a visa a Russian visa at any Russian Embassy or consulate in the world.
That would be true, in a pre-covid or past-covid world. Right now he can't cause Russia is only issuing family-visa's and nothing else. *
* = This information is changing fast and may already be outdated. check your local RU embassies.
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Any lack of visa issuance is not really an issue here. That's a short term issue. One simply sets the objective and implements the plan when it is possible to do so - in a few weeks or months.
Making a commitment to move to Russia is all that might be possible or needed.
I would recommend that anyone interested in what is going to happen in the coming weeks should take a few minutes and read about our hero's previous misadventures recounted on this forum in great, and very painful, detail.
I'd love to think that the guy has changed but the truth is that people do not change to any great degree, the adult personality is pretty much fixed. We can change how we behave - to some degree. So, when a bloke who says he has changed, is improved, starts showing the same patterns as he did in the past then the past becomes the guide to the future.
Justadude, nobody is perfect. You seem to have found somebody who is human, not a paragon, who, for some reason seems to find you to be congenial company. If you want her then all you have to do is make it happen and you can start out by accepting that nobody is perfect. If you don't then bugger off back to your snowy fortress of solitude in the USA.
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JAD,
The episode at the party you describe is in my opinion a common characteristic amongst Slavic females.
The ALL want to be the hottest girl in the "room/street/party/office". I've said it here before, and I will say it again, Slavic women dress their sexiest, NOT to to impress their man......but to intimidate the other women.
I parted ways with my young companion earlier last year primarily because of her Instagram "career". I didn't mind that she got attention from men liking her posts, but I very much minded the 12-16 hrs a day she spent organising photo shoots, trying to one up other UA Instagram girls with similar follower numbers, asking clothing shops for kit in contra, and hours of interaction with her followers (some offering 1000s of euro and a business ticket too fly to a party in Istanbul or Dubai . I certainly didn't sign up to be her personal photographer, or agree to our movements being governed by which "Instagramable" place we needed to go.
I finally realised I'm too old for all this shit, and probably should retire early once I've got my Covid Card. Now it's time for a slower pace, and to settle down in Odessa with a woman old enough to have raised her kids, and to not give 2 figs about Facebook and Instagram!
Cheers, and a happy and healthy NY to us all.
RR
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Making a commitment to move to Russia is all that might be possible or needed.
I would recommend that anyone interested in what is going to happen in the coming weeks should take a few minutes and read about our hero's previous misadventures recounted on this forum in great, and very painful, detail.
I'd love to think that the guy has changed but the truth is that people do not change to any great degree, the adult personality is pretty much fixed. We can change how we behave - to some degree. So, when a bloke who says he has changed, is improved, starts showing the same patterns as he did in the past then the past becomes the guide to the future.
Justadude, nobody is perfect. You seem to have found somebody who is human, not a paragon, who, for some reason seems to find you to be congenial company. If you want her then all you have to do is make it happen and you can start out by accepting that nobody is perfect. If you don't then bugger off back to your snowy fortress of solitude in the USA.
"Is she a different woman than the Belarus woman? I am confused."-> I was seeing a Belarussian woman in early 2020 in California before I moved to Ukraine.
The Russian girl in this story is 26 years old.
Andrew, you are perceptive as usual. Do you mind if I ask how you show up in the lives of women? Are you in a long term relationship? Or do you date different women from time to time? Are you happy with the way you impact the women with whom you interact?
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Justadude, I am in a long-term but enforced long-distance relationship. When I am not in a one on one relationship I do not have a problem finding companionship.
I meet women in the course of my life. I am happy with the way I impact upon women with whom I 'interact'. I do not think that I have had a relationship that has not been positive for both myself and my partner. Most of the women I have had relationships with are friends, or at the least, on good terms. Best of all, quite a few of the women I have been involved with are now good friends with each other.
On the other hand, you, sadly, cannot say the same. You are hinting at a return to the activities and thought processes that have driven more than one women into mental illness. Are you actually ready for a relationship with another woman? People do not change, but we can change how we behave and respond to stimuli. You do not seem to be doing that - yet.
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andrewfi with your abrasive personality are you sure any woman actually wants to talk to you?
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You don't know me. I have no interest in you. Fortunately, unlike some, I am not delusional.
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You don't know me. I have no interest in you. Fortunately, unlike some, I am not delusional.
Isn't that like crazy people saying
"I am not crazy " :laugh:
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A leopard doesn't change its spots. if you talk the way you write Andrewfi then I have a hard time believing anyone would care to interact with you, man or woman.
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A leopard doesn't change its spots. if you talk the way you write Andrewfi then I have a hard time believing anyone would care to interact with you, man or woman.
It's a macho thing towards other guys.
I suspect Andy can be charming to a woman he fancies.
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You don't know me. I have no interest in you. Fortunately, unlike some, I am not delusional.
Isn't that like crazy people saying
"I am not crazy " :laugh:
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: tiphat
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How do you figure that?
I don't have a history of driving women into mental breakdown and so I don't have to persuade myself that I'm 'cured'.
Nobody has suggested that I am mentally ill.
Thus for me to say that I am not delusional accords with what others see.
We can see that some people who post here regularly have real difficulties with seeing the world as it is. Just look at those poor guys who think president Trump is going to pull some ill-defined rabbit out of a bag.
Gentleman, try thinking. It might be hard for you but life goes better when you do it.
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I don't think you're crazy Andy, just eccentric.
We all have quirks and a good laugh is healthy.
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Justadude, I am in a long-term but enforced long-distance relationship. When I am not in a one on one relationship I do not have a problem finding companionship.
I meet women in the course of my life. I am happy with the way I impact upon women with whom I 'interact'. I do not think that I have had a relationship that has not been positive for both myself and my partner. Most of the women I have had relationships with are friends, or at the least, on good terms. Best of all, quite a few of the women I have been involved with are now good friends with each other.
On the other hand, you, sadly, cannot say the same. You are hinting at a return to the activities and thought processes that have driven more than one women into mental illness. Are you actually ready for a relationship with another woman? People do not change, but we can change how we behave and respond to stimuli. You do not seem to be doing that - yet.
Thanks for that. I want to change, but I find change to be elusive. Meanwhile, I generally do what seems best for me at the moment, then suffer later from being wracked with guilt for how it impacts others. I didn't intend to be in a long term relationship in Ukraine. I thought I'd try to find something fun but short term and mutually beneficial. But then a few weeks in I thought this girl was so awesome that things would be different this time, that I wouldn't hurt her. Then, to no one's surprise, the old feelings of being trapped and wanting out came back.
In the past, I believe you have suggested that I just sit it out, to stay away from women. I don't see that happening. I won't do it. But I do at times contemplate a more permanent solution to my problems.
Incidentally, she left to go back to Russia last night. We both cried yesterday. She told me she loves me 3 times before over the last few months, but I never said it. I told myself yesterday that if she said it again that I would reciprocate, as I believed I could honestly say it. A few hours before her flight she did say it again and I said it back. Even if this relationship disintegrates I reasoned that she would have that memory of having been loved by me.
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JAD,
The episode at the party you describe is in my opinion a common characteristic amongst Slavic females.
The ALL want to be the hottest girl in the "room/street/party/office". I've said it here before, and I will say it again, Slavic women dress their sexiest, NOT to to impress their man......but to intimidate the other women.
I parted ways with my young companion earlier last year primarily because of her Instagram "career". I didn't mind that she got attention from men liking her posts, but I very much minded the 12-16 hrs a day she spent organising photo shoots, trying to one up other UA Instagram girls with similar follower numbers, asking clothing shops for kit in contra, and hours of interaction with her followers (some offering 1000s of euro and a business ticket too fly to a party in Istanbul or Dubai . I certainly didn't sign up to be her personal photographer, or agree to our movements being governed by which "Instagramable" place we needed to go.
I finally realised I'm too old for all this shit, and probably should retire early once I've got my Covid Card. Now it's time for a slower pace, and to settle down in Odessa with a woman old enough to have raised her kids, and to not give 2 figs about Facebook and Instagram!
Cheers, and a happy and healthy NY to us all.
RR
Redroo, I'm with you on this. I have become intimately familiar with the word instagrammable as well. And, indeed, I am routinely drafted into being her photographer. She has to have the right filter, the right angle, has to be set to "portrait", etc. Although she doesn't devote 12-16 hours a day to it, we have driven hours to get to the right photo spot. Honestly I generally find it to be charming. Also, I like to be with a girl who believes in her own beauty, one who wears makeup and tries to dress cute.
However, a couple of days ago we went to the shopping mall. We both went to the restroom. The line for the women's was really long so I decided to make use of the time by picking up some groceries. I knew I took too long and I didn't text her because I knew her phone battery was almost dead. I didn't see any texts from her. I came out with the groceries and found her. She was extremely upset and threw a tantrum like a 5 year old. I'm not exaggerating. She was crying and stomping her feet in public and refused to calm down. She wanted to abandon our plans and insisted on going home. I got her in the car and was able to het her to take a drink of coffee and a bite of pastry. Her mood changed instantly (maybe she has low blood sugar issues?) and she began to apologize for her behavior. I believe I handled the whole thing as best as I could. I tried to be validating to her feelings. She explained that she thought something had happened to me, that maybe I was passed out in the bathroom. As it turned out she had texted me and I didn't see it. She is so worried about losing me.
I wanted to reply to your post, however, because I'm interested in the way you seem to be able to focus mostly on how your relationship with this instagram girl was bad for you. My reaction seems to be so much different than other men, or women for that matter, when a relationship doesn't work. I devote so much energy to thinking about how the ending of the relationship affects her. Most other guys seem to say things like, she was a bitch, she was a cheater, she was a gold digger, she went crazy, etc. I'm not saying those things are never true, but they don't seem to be the things that stick with me. A friend I talked to last night suggested that perhaps it's a natural human defense mechanism to protect oneself from the guilt of hurting someone else. If so, why don't I possess this?
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She was extremely upset and threw a tantrum like a 5 year old. I'm not exaggerating. She was crying and stomping her feet in public and refused to calm down.
You have to nip crap like that right in the bud.
I'd have walked off giving her five minutes to return to the car as a normal person then drove off if she didnt.
That's only a step or two from Sajiao (https://www.yoyochinese.com/blog/learn-mandarin-chinese-whiny-but-equal-tantrums-sajiao-chinese-feminism-gender-roles) which is a thing you see in China.
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Thanks for that. I want to change, but I find change to be elusive. Meanwhile, I generally do what seems best for me at the moment, then suffer later from being wracked with guilt for how it impacts others.
Addiction issues are difficult to face and nearly impossible to address.
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Thanks for that. I want to change, but I find change to be elusive. Meanwhile, I generally do what seems best for me at the moment, then suffer later from being wracked with guilt for how it impacts others.
Addiction issues are difficult to face and nearly impossible to address.
Well said. I suppose what I have is an addiction. One symptom present in all types of addictions, if I learned anything in psych school, is that the pursuit of the substance or process is significantly disruptive to your life.
Then the question becomes, "To what am I addicted?". To say I am addicted to sex doesn't seem to be accurate because, on balance, I don't feel like I've been that successful at getting it over the last 10 years. Whatever it is, it hurts like hell right now.
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If to describe your pattern of repeating behaviour as an addiction, then it might be about emotional stuff rather than physical.
From what you've told us, I think it's about power and control.
Look at what repeats in your behaviour. The similarities between the women. The way you react to situations.
Most of us don't want to be alone. That's normal. It's good.
Just look at how you seek to avoid being alone. I think that's where your problems lie.
I have no idea what your solution might be except to say that I tend to prefer relationships where there woman is with me by choice. Where she does not need me to be able to fulfil the basic requirements for life - food, shelter, warmth, security.
You, on the other hand, seem to prefer situations where the woman starts out or becomes dependent on you for everything. Not just the self actualisation needs she has. That's not healthy, generally it leads to abusive relationships even if that's not the intent.
Some women fall prey to this because they see their life in terms of dependency, thus they become abused.
Look at why you started to become dissatisfied with the previous woman, it was when she was showing signs of independence, of being able to manage her own situation. She left when you couldn't support that in her. In writing that, I am fully aware that, from what you shared, she was not, objectively, perfect.
Of course, I am not a counselor or therapist so what do I know?
And yes, you're not addicted to sex. Getting sex is easy and if you were driven powerfully by sex you'd have learned efficient ways to address that need by now.
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Many guys are afraid of being dumped.
That they may see your imperfections.
So IE: dump girl before she realizes your problems.
Get rid of them before they know the real you.
Some guys like the chase, once they got what they want,
its not fun anymore.
The list is endlist for reasons, find a counsellor or someone
who can look at you, like anything, hard to fix, if you don't
know what it is.
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I'm kind of torn at the moment. I'm actually pretty homesick. I need to be back in California in May to attend my daughter's graduation ceremony. I can't imagine taking the dogs back and forth for a visit there. Maybe I'll fly into New York, buy a car and drive to California. I've been looking at Southern California Real Estate. Meanwhile I'm thinking about leaving Lvov and going back to Odessa for a couple months.
Getting homesick is normal for many who attempt to relocate to another country although it wasn't an issue for me. Also, relocating isn't for everyone and maybe it's not for you long term.
Simple things back home can and will be difficult to deal with at times because of unfamiliarity with your surroundings and lack of language skills. Still, you have a native speaker with you, I didn't. I found it interesting to figure out ways to deal with difficult situations that now seem basic. I have grown tremendously (I think :laugh:) and so will you if you give it a chance.
IMO, it is not the time to buy California RE as I believe it's at the top of the market right now. Certainly wait out this year to see where the economy goes would be my advice.
Odessa for a couple of months seems ok, but when things loosen up a bit, Crimea seems like a better option. Sevastopol, the biggest city in Crimea, would be my choice as the area will remind you of Southern California and there's a good chance you can hook on with a school that will sponsor a visa for you. There's a State university in the area also. Your Dev is already Russian, so no problem there with document issues.
When we drive around Western Ukraine we see some nice rolling hills and ancient architecture but it's not very far between s*** hole looking buildings that aren't maintained and ugly treeless landscape. I just don't see anywhere near the geographical or vegetation beauty that I see in many parts of California. Also, I can't make the food I like and, probably worst of all, I can't find a doctor with whom I can really communicate. Bottom line I'm kind of a sissy. I remember feeling this same way when I studied in London many years ago.
There are tradeoffs you make when you relocate. Comparing places to California is mostly a losing proposition.
For example, I have advantages in Moscow that I didn't have in California (I'm from LA) and that's what keeps me here. My network of friends and business associates is vastly superior to what I had in LA. The devs are cooler as well. IOW, don't compare apples to apples, especially when it comes to California as not many places compare overall IMO.
Also, you live, even now, better than most people around the world and you're whining about your life? Let's check the scorecard shall we? You're living in another country, and while it isn't as great of a place that you left, it's still an interesting place to spent time in. And even though you can't get everything you want, you get most of what you need. You have money and freedom to do what you want, travel where you want, and a person to share it with.
Finding a doctor once you have settled into a place will not be a problem and your girl can help with translations (over the phone), which is what I did at first.
You're making much more out of this than the reality of the situation, maybe because everything is new for you. Do you know how many guys past and present on this forum whom would love to be in your shoes now? Many, and yet you're crying about it. Stop it, you're killing me.
This girl I'm with is awesome. If I was smart I'd try to get her a K1 visa to the US. But the last 2 times I did that things didn't turn out too well. Her Russian passport in general makes things difficult. We tried to get her permanent heritage based residency in Ukraine (Ukrainian grandmother) but failed due to technicalities. She apologizes all the time for the trouble associated with her Russian citizenship. Meanwhile she misses her family as well. Then again she is well traveled and, in general, will do what I want her to do. She really is an angel in my opinion.
So I'm anxious a lot. I worry all the time about what should do next, how things will play out. When I can live in the moment, it's hard to find anything to complain about. I gave her a driving lesson today. She hasn't driven since she got her license in Russia when she was 17. We have a lot of fun together and enjoy talking about politics, dogs, pop culture, vintage movies, ...
Sorry for rambling. I'm just me with my shortcomings. I don't know what I should be doing at this point in my life. I wish I knew how other dudes figure out life in general. What gets you out of bed in the morning? Do you always have to have a goal to be shooting for? Do you worry about the future all the time? Do you worry about your woman and how your actions affect her now and in the future, whether you stay together or not? Do you worry about your children's future?
Relax. It takes time to build a new life in another country. The life you left was built over many years and you want things to be similar to what you left in your new country? It doesn't work that way.
Maybe a change in perspective is in order. When I moved to Moscow I couldn't wait for the next day to come and experience the adventures in my new adopted country. It also gave me a great opportunity to reinvent myself as no one knew me here, which is what I did.
No more family reunions where the relatives still think you're the same at 40 as you were at 16 when they last saw you. No more reputations, good or bad, that seemed to follow you wherever you went with people you grew up with or worked with. Quite refreshing BTW.
You have to live life with its ups and downs. You're worrying way too much. How about taking baby steps everyday just to be better than you were yesterday? If you think everyone has their shit together and doesn't have problems of their own you're mistaken. Nothing is as good nor as bad as it seems. It's only our imagination that makes it so.
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JAD,
The episode at the party you describe is in my opinion a common characteristic amongst Slavic females.
The ALL want to be the hottest girl in the "room/street/party/office". I've said it here before, and I will say it again, Slavic women dress their sexiest, NOT to to impress their man......but to intimidate the other women.
I parted ways with my young companion earlier last year primarily because of her Instagram "career". I didn't mind that she got attention from men liking her posts, but I very much minded the 12-16 hrs a day she spent organising photo shoots, trying to one up other UA Instagram girls with similar follower numbers, asking clothing shops for kit in contra, and hours of interaction with her followers (some offering 1000s of euro and a business ticket too fly to a party in Istanbul or Dubai . I certainly didn't sign up to be her personal photographer, or agree to our movements being governed by which "Instagramable" place we needed to go.
I finally realised I'm too old for all this shit, and probably should retire early once I've got my Covid Card. Now it's time for a slower pace, and to settle down in Odessa with a woman old enough to have raised her kids, and to not give 2 figs about Facebook and Instagram!
Cheers, and a happy and healthy NY to us all.
RR
Redroo, I'm with you on this. I have become intimately familiar with the word instagrammable as well. And, indeed, I am routinely drafted into being her photographer. She has to have the right filter, the right angle, has to be set to "portrait", etc. Although she doesn't devote 12-16 hours a day to it, we have driven hours to get to the right photo spot. Honestly I generally find it to be charming. Also, I like to be with a girl who believes in her own beauty, one who wears makeup and tries to dress cute.
However, a couple of days ago we went to the shopping mall. We both went to the restroom. The line for the women's was really long so I decided to make use of the time by picking up some groceries. I knew I took too long and I didn't text her because I knew her phone battery was almost dead. I didn't see any texts from her. I came out with the groceries and found her. She was extremely upset and threw a tantrum like a 5 year old. I'm not exaggerating. She was crying and stomping her feet in public and refused to calm down. She wanted to abandon our plans and insisted on going home. I got her in the car and was able to het her to take a drink of coffee and a bite of pastry. Her mood changed instantly (maybe she has low blood sugar issues?) and she began to apologize for her behavior. I believe I handled the whole thing as best as I could. I tried to be validating to her feelings. She explained that she thought something had happened to me, that maybe I was passed out in the bathroom. As it turned out she had texted me and I didn't see it. She is so worried about losing me.
I wanted to reply to your post, however, because I'm interested in the way you seem to be able to focus mostly on how your relationship with this instagram girl was bad for you. My reaction seems to be so much different than other men, or women for that matter, when a relationship doesn't work. I devote so much energy to thinking about how the ending of the relationship affects her. Most other guys seem to say things like, she was a bitch, she was a cheater, she was a gold digger, she went crazy, etc. I'm not saying those things are never true, but they don't seem to be the things that stick with me. A friend I talked to last night suggested that perhaps it's a natural human defense mechanism to protect oneself from the guilt of hurting someone else. If so, why don't I possess this?
Have you ever been in a crowd of Valley girls from Los Angeles or cliquish sorority bit^&es from the Bay Area? Much worse IMO.
The above has not been my experiencer overall in Russia with slavic girls/women. Not sure what girls you all are meeting, but the majority don't act this way. In fact, I was quite surprised when I first moved here by how much the girls would talk positively about each other and often heard them complimenting other females on how beautiful they were. Certainly more so than what I experienced in the States.
I have met thousands of Russian girls just for the record. I also have spent the last 9 years working in Moscow City, where probably the biggest percentage of pretentious people in the city work and still haven't seen much of the pettiness described above.
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If to describe your pattern of repeating behaviour as an addiction, then it might be about emotional stuff rather than physical.
From what you've told us, I think it's about power and control.
Look at what repeats in your behaviour. The similarities between the women. The way you react to situations.
Most of us don't want to be alone. That's normal. It's good.
Just look at how you seek to avoid being alone. I think that's where your problems lie.
I have no idea what your solution might be except to say that I tend to prefer relationships where there woman is with me by choice. Where she does not need me to be able to fulfil the basic requirements for life - food, shelter, warmth, security.
You, on the other hand, seem to prefer situations where the woman starts out or becomes dependent on you for everything. Not just the self actualisation needs she has. That's not healthy, generally it leads to abusive relationships even if that's not the intent.
Some women fall prey to this because they see their life in terms of dependency, thus they become abused.
Look at why you started to become dissatisfied with the previous woman, it was when she was showing signs of independence, of being able to manage her own situation. She left when you couldn't support that in her. In writing that, I am fully aware that, from what you shared, she was not, objectively, perfect.
Of course, I am not a counselor or therapist so what do I know?
And yes, you're not addicted to sex. Getting sex is easy and if you were driven powerfully by sex you'd have learned efficient ways to address that need by now.
Thanks for the input. Food for thought))
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Some guys like the chase, once they got what they want,
its not fun anymore.
The list is endlist for reasons, find a counsellor or someone
who can look at you, like anything, hard to fix, if you don't
know what it is.
I think I'm closest to this one.
As I've mentioned before, I earned a MA in marriage and family therapy partly to try to learn how to fix my problems. In the 500 hours of therapy I provided as part of the training, I don't think I fixed anyone. Nor is this generally seen as a reasonable goal in that profession as far as I know. In the practice where I worked we were usually pretty happy if we could help a client manage symptoms and gain some skills that they could use on their own.
Having said all that, I've been having video chats with a peer therapist in Canada the last few days. I definitely believe in therapy. The most important things I believe I learned are to bring empathy and curiosity to your work. There were a couple of young men that I believe I helped the most. 20-40 year old dudes were my favorite demographic. And of course I'd never use my life as an example of something desirable. We are also trained not to talk much about ourselves.
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Danchik you're right about the relocating thing. As you suggest, maybe not everyone is cut out for it. Maybe I'm not.
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I was in anguish over the inevitable breakup for a month. In fact, I began looking for other dates online. Part of me was hoping she would find out so that things would come to a head, because I wasn't man enough to just get it over with. She sent me a text 10 days ago, which hinted that she thought I was up to something. It was very nice and not particularly accusatory. So I figured this is my cue, get it done.
I started writing a letter to her a few days after she left in mid January. I told her a lot of nice things. How she is so awesome. How any half wit would stay with her. How she is the best gf I have ever had (which is absolutely true). As part of my attempt at closure/sanity for myself, I had gone around Lvov a couple weeks before, taking pictures of areas where we had some of our more memorable events. Although I took them more for me, I decided to include them in the letter. I inserted a picture of us together next to a picture with no one in it with broken heart or crying face emojis. I edited this letter one last time and sent it to her the day after she "confronted" me. Then I told her I had sent it and asked for a video call.
We talked for about an hour, crying mostly but reminiscing a little. She wasn't angry. She knew something was up and was relieved to finally know the truth. She asked if we could view our breakup as putting our relationship on pause, to which I readily agreed.
Over the last week we have kept in touch every day. I don't send hear eyes or princess emojis any more. We only communicate about half as much. Yesterday, Valentine's Day, I sent her flowers. Not red roses. More like something you'd send to your Mom. The note said "I want you to know you are not forgotten on Valentine's Day"
She's the kind of girl who should get flowers on Valentine's Day. Obviously she wouldn't get any because I took away her chance to be in a good relationship this February 14. She was really happy and posted a picture on FB with the caption "thank you for everything (broken heart, smiley)". I still feel like s*** but I guess we can both move on now.
She asked that I save all of our pictures somewhere. That was my plan anyway. I just finished storing them on my Mac and took them off my phone.
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2 weeks ago I loaded up the car in Lvov, including my bicycle and 2 dogs and moved back to Odessa. I have an apartment in a new building,with underground parking. It is so much nicer than the torn up street I was living on in Lvov. I quit my university professor job for the spring semester. My experience there was not too good for me or likely my students.
I really like the bike trail along the shore here. I have my bicycle here now. It's much longer than I realized when I was here last summer. Although I did crash avoiding a toddler and bruised some ribs, haha.
I did form a good friendship with a fellow professor from the university in Lvov. He took a liking to me and functioned as my therapist a bit. I am staying in touch with him and conducting speaking clubs with him and one of his colleagues.
I have an English Teaching job interview tomorrow. Also, I went on a second date with a really cute girl yesterday. At this moment I'm thinking more along the lines of remaining in Ukrained after I return home in May for my daughter's graduation, but who knows. The saga continues.
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Is this Opehlia #3 or 4?
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why did you breakup though? man this sounds like deja vu all over again.
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2 weeks ago I loaded up the car in Lvov, including my bicycle and 2 dogs and moved back to Odessa. I have an apartment in a new building,with underground parking. It is so much nicer than the torn up street I was living on in Lvov. I quit my university professor job for the spring semester. My experience there was not too good for me or likely my students.
I really like the bike trail along the shore here. I have my bicycle here now. It's much longer than I realized when I was here last summer. Although I did crash avoiding a toddler and bruised some ribs, haha.
I did form a good friendship with a fellow professor from the university in Lvov. He took a liking to me and functioned as my therapist a bit. I am staying in touch with him and conducting speaking clubs with him and one of his colleagues.
I have an English Teaching job interview tomorrow. Also, I went on a second date with a really cute girl yesterday. At this moment I'm thinking more along the lines of remaining in Ukrained after I return home in May for my daughter's graduation, but who knows. The saga continues.
I know :).
You like the thought of being a big fish in a little pond so to speak. It's (Odessa) a new place, and while completely different and no where near as aesthetically pleasing as California, it's refreshing. I fly back to the States yearly, sometimes twice a year and for a minimum of a month at a time to get my fix and I go when I want. You might have this flexibility also.
The homesickness is slowly wearing off and your girl and colleagues helped you through the transition. Maybe that was the deal to begin with subconsciously.
Odessa is not a bad place to hang, I could hang there. And if you start teaching it will provide a nice network over time if you want to work it that way.
It's kinda obvious you don't want a serious long term relationship at this point in your life. As you tend to break up often that will be tough to deal with for you and a lot of these girls that you're bound to meet if you continue your ways. I certainly don't care, enjoy life, just know that the girls in these parts tend to play for keeps.
It's not always easy to manage, trust me. Maybe you like the drama ;D.
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If this were just a fling it'd be no big deal to break up but this is the 3rd girl he's proposed to and then broken off the engagement. The first 2 girls he flew them to the States and did the K1. I mean why go through all this trouble if you can't commit.
Makes no sense why he'd go all the way to Ukraine for this girl for a new life and then break up. well justdude it's your life, we are all grown men here. Do what you wish.
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How she is the best gf I have ever had (which is absolutely true).
so why did you break up? i think you got other issues to deal with.
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I inserted a picture of us together next to a picture with no one in it with broken heart or crying face emojis.
Gay.
why did you breakup though? man this sounds like deja vu all over again.
Actually it sounds more like "None of this should be happening."
If this were just a fling it'd be no big deal to break up but this is the 3rd girl he's proposed to and then broken off the engagement. The first 2 girls he flew them to the States and did the K1. I mean why go through all this trouble if you can't commit.
Seems like a "Peter Pan" thing going on.
Makes no sense why he'd go all the way to Ukraine for this girl for a new life and then break up.
Sense? You expect JAD's sagas to make sense?
Ofc, with 2 K1s I think he has, under current law, hit the maximum so he had to take the "JAD Drama KWEEN" show on the road.
well justdude it's your life, we are all grown men here. Do what you wish.
Well, not ALL of us, as it turns out.
Look, I am a generous sort and hope everyone finds love, but there's a point where you're like "Man, it's time to figure your shit out already."
B/B
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straight shootin' BB. I feel worse for the girls than justdude. He's giving them false hope. Imagine that a guy would actually fly halfway around the world for you, spend time and propose and then bail.
That's way worse than some keyboard guy who never visits.
The weird thing is he's going on dates with new girls already. justdude what the hell are u doing man?
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Look, the guy has some serious issues to deal with. Makes me glad that I am too old to fall into his preferred therapy client age range. Can you imagine what sort of insights he'd provide?
How long before we read about some 30 year old full-time bachelor found wearing the skin of some young woman as a rsincoat?
Guile is right about feeling worse for the women. At least this one seems to have extricated herself before he broke her.
And what kind of a man is so weak that he breaks up with a woman by dropping hints that he's looking for fresh targets online. Was it because he is so weak, or was it a way to undermine her self esteem, to break her and increase her dependence in him? As I started writing this paragraph I began to see the second, far more unpleasant possibility.
Dude, stop having 'relationships' with women. Go back to the USA to your snowy fortress of solitude and stop seeking out new victims.
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She asked if we could view our breakup as putting our relationship on pause, to which I readily agreed.
Over the last week we have kept in touch every day. I don't send hear eyes or princess emojis any more. We only communicate about half as much. Yesterday, Valentine's Day, I sent her flowers. Not red roses. More like something you'd send to your Mom. The note said "I want you to know you are not forgotten on Valentine's Day"
She's the kind of girl who should get flowers on Valentine's Day. Obviously she wouldn't get any because I took away her chance to be in a good relationship this February 14. She was really happy and posted a picture on FB with the caption "thank you for everything (broken heart, smiley)". I still feel like s*** but I guess we can both move on now.
She asked that I save all of our pictures somewhere. That was my plan anyway. I just finished storing them on my Mac and took them off my phone.
If you know you're not going back to her, tell her it's over and quit communicating with her so she can move on to find someone else. You may be giving her false hope you'll come back to her.
she is the best gf I have ever had (which is absolutely true).
Don't propose marriage to any woman unless she tops this woman by far so you'll significantly reduce the chance you'll be calling off the engagement.
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Don't propose marriage to any woman unless she tops this woman by far so you'll significantly reduce the chance you'll be calling off the engagement.
problem is he's already proposed to 3 women and brought 2 over to the USA but ended things before they even got married. Seems like some bigger issues are plaguing him.
I don't get why he'd move halfway around the world for this one girl and then break it off so suddenly and start dating others as if nothing happened.
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One thing for sure, it isn't the women, it is him!
There's a pattern, the pattern repeats. We have not been told, but I bet lots of imaginary Internet money that the pattern goes way back into the past.
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he's just a ***** nutcase and wants you lot to spend all day discussing his mental problems .. some people love it.. like a kind of exhibitionist.. Nothing wrong with it.. just gets boring listening to the crap all the time..
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Tough Crowd here on RUA...
I like this guys YT Channel - a lawyer by experience he is a no BS anti-sex tourism dude focused on lifestyle mostly based in Odessa...
He offers a number of courses and focuses on guys who want to move to UA...
Since you are already there he may be able to help you get a clue:
His courses:
Click here for my FREE guide "My secret places to meet beautiful women in Kiev, Odesa & Minsk" 👉https://secretplaces3.tsarexperience.com
Slavic Utopia Secrets: Ukraine 👉 https://tsarexperience.com/ukraine
Slavic Seductions Secrets 👉 https://tsarexperience.com/seduction
ScamBuster Secrets 👉 https://tsarexperience.com/scambuster
Conor's free LANGUAGE course 👉 http://bit.ly/2D0OvVo
Like I said time to get a clue from an educated Expat Expert... easy since you are already there in Odessa - If he can not help you than the problem is you.
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Tough Crowd here on RUA...
I like this guys YT Channel - a lawyer by experience he is a no BS anti-sex tourism dude focused on lifestyle mostly based in Odessa...
He offers a number of courses and focuses on guys who want to move to UA...
Since you are already there he may be able to help you get a clue:
His courses:
Click here for my FREE guide "My secret places to meet beautiful women in Kiev, Odesa & Minsk" 👉https://secretplaces3.tsarexperience.com
Slavic Utopia Secrets: Ukraine 👉 https://tsarexperience.com/ukraine
Slavic Seductions Secrets 👉 https://tsarexperience.com/seduction
ScamBuster Secrets 👉 https://tsarexperience.com/scambuster
Conor's free LANGUAGE course 👉 http://bit.ly/2D0OvVo
Like I said time to get a clue from an educated Expat Expert... easy since you are already there in Odessa - If he can not help you than the problem is you.
What a load of bunk...
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Steveboy, I was looking for the affiliate links there becasue it is hard to believe that a captain of industry and former member of a nuclear submarine crew could be so naïve. You'd think such people had had the stupid trained out of them. Just goes to show you what's possible in the United States, eh?
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Steveboy, I was looking for the affiliate links there becasue it is hard to believe that a captain of industry and former member of a nuclear submarine crew could be so naïve. You'd think such people had had the stupid trained out of them. Just goes to show you what's possible in the United States, eh?
:laugh:Yeah!!
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I suggest you change your target market. Make it clear to women that you are looking for short term relationships, beneficial to you both. That means money flowing freely on your part.
Don't waste the time (a valuable commodity to women, given their shorter "life span") of women looking for marriage. You can find, quite easily, women who will accommodate your need for youth and (relative) beauty in exchange for material comfort. In Odesa, you won't get the most beautiful women, as it's a city with a lot of money. However, you will still find women who I am certain are attractive to you.
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why did you breakup though? man this sounds like deja vu all over again.
To put it simply I felt trapped. But breaking up sure didn't seem very simple :(
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You like the thought of being a big fish in a little pond so to speak. It's (Odessa) a new place, and while completely different and no where near as aesthetically pleasing as California, it's refreshing. I fly back to the States yearly, sometimes twice a year and for a minimum of a month at a time to get my fix and I go when I want. You might have this flexibility also.
The homesickness is slowly wearing off and your girl and colleagues helped you through the transition. Maybe that was the deal to begin with subconsciously.
Odessa is not a bad place to hang, I could hang there. And if you start teaching it will provide a nice network over time if you want to work it that way.
It's kinda obvious you don't want a serious long term relationship at this point in your life. As you tend to break up often that will be tough to deal with for you and a lot of these girls that you're bound to meet if you continue your ways. I certainly don't care, enjoy life, just know that the girls in these parts tend to play for keeps.
It's not always easy to manage, trust me. Maybe you like the drama ;D.
Maybe that was the deal to begin with subconsciously.
Yes it's quite possible. And that makes me even more of a DB than otherwise :(
Yes I think they do tend to play for keeps. And it's one more reason I feel horrible. I burned a year of her life, a year she could have used to find a guy to marry. She turns 27 next month, which sounds different than 26 :(
And do you have a long term relationship in Ukraine?
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If this were just a fling it'd be no big deal to break up but this is the 3rd girl he's proposed to and then broken off the engagement. The first 2 girls he flew them to the States and did the K1. I mean why go through all this trouble if you can't commit.
Makes no sense why he'd go all the way to Ukraine for this girl for a new life and then break up. well justdude it's your life, we are all grown men here. Do what you wish.
Some of these details are wrong, but the discrepancies don't make me a paragon of virtue. I did get two K1 visas, but I broke it off with the first girl before she traveled to the US. She is now married to a Peruvian dude in New York.
I never proposed marriage to this last girl. I certainly thought about it but even I am smart enough to realize that's a bad idea. I decided to move to Ukraine to stop messing with these girls' lives by moving them to the other side of the globe. But then I made the mistake of hooking up with a Siberian girl. Flying her back and forth from Siberia was certainly disruptive, but she is pretty resourceful. She just started an online store in Siberia and continues to make money creating online content.
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I suggest you change your target market. Make it clear to women that you are looking for short term relationships, beneficial to you both. That means money flowing freely on your part.
Don't waste the time (a valuable commodity to women, given their shorter "life span") of women looking for marriage. You can find, quite easily, women who will accommodate your need for youth and (relative) beauty in exchange for material comfort. In Odesa, you won't get the most beautiful women, as it's a city with a lot of money. However, you will still find women who I am certain are attractive to you.
Good points
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Is there any value to me continuing to share my story? The name of this site is Russian Ukrainian Adventures, and the main theme is FSU women as I understand it.
My life is not a model for how anyone else should do it, but it is an adventure involving this female demographic.
I don't know if I really get anything out of this. I dread logging in sometimes, to read the latest insults. I try to stay above the fray but I'm not immune to the things said about me.
I like it when you guys advocate for the women in the story. Sometimes I even like the insults because they confirm my already negative thoughts about myself and in a weird way perhaps they help to ease my guilt a tiny bit.
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I can't speak for anyone else here but I sure as hell do not post to insult you. To be honest I don't see others insulting you either.
You clearly have some problems facing you in your personal life. You've done cruel and 'unfortunate' things to the women you've told us about while trying to portray yourself as 'the good man' with positive motivations. Patterns are patterns because they repeat so I'm pretty sure that your tales of woe go back well before anything you've told us about.
Negative feedback such as you have received is normally reacted to by acting against it - hopefully by changing behaviour (attitudes are much harder to change). That you relish pain is rather concerning but also suggests that you won't be able to change your behaviour as you don't react negatively to criticism.
I don't know you. If you disappeared from these pages I'd lose no sleep, there'd be no regrets. Except in this: all my criticism has been aimed at altering your behaviour toward your targets, to either stop having relationships or to find a way to have positive ones.
One man behaving very badly can affect many people so effecting change in one person can have very positive outcomes.
Halo's suggestion has merit in that by paying a woman to be your social and sexual companion enables you to get much of what you want without damaging the other person too much. Of course the power difference will still exist but at least the arrangement will leave your provider in a place where she is free to replace you and leave.
But sponsorship won't work for long for you. I doubt that you can afford to maintain such an arrangement indefinitely and you seem to want to have a permanent relationship. Sponsorship tends to be a revolving door and ultimately a rather empty experience.
You just do not have the personal and emotional tools to allow long term relationships between equals to happen. You seem to feel threatened by independence in your companions and so prefer relationships with huge power differentials.
Large power distance relationships can work but it takes restraint, generosity and respect to make that happen. These are attributes that have been missing from the tales you have told us of your relationships.
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Is there any value to me continuing to share my story?
I've enjoyed all of it.
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While RUA began as a forum to share primarily former Soviet Union information and in particular relationship matters between Slavic women and Western men it has broadened into a forum that discusses cars to Mars. At any given moment on the Forum, there are perhaps 20 so-called lurkers reading the threads you started. So yes it has value.
Some of the regular posters are extremely expierenced and insightful. Myself and another poster have an additional advantage, but that does not change that much. The reality is your posts have been honest and you have heard some of our opinions.
My opinion is post on; if the shoe fits wear it.
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Is there any value to me continuing to share my story? The name of this site is Russian Ukrainian Adventures, and the main theme is FSU women as I understand it.
I've enjoyed the story. Methinks you should focus on short term relationships instead of finding someone to marry. Find girls that want short term relationships too. No more k-1s or promises need to be made. No more feelings getting hurt.
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why did you breakup though? man this sounds like deja vu all over again.
To put it simply I felt trapped. But breaking up sure didn't seem very simple :(
Trapped with her or trapped in Ukraine? You did relocate there which I commend, I just thought you went for her specifically so it seemed hasty when you wanted to breakup after committing the effort to go there.
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I never proposed marriage to this last girl. I certainly thought about it but even I am smart enough to realize that's a bad idea. I decided to move to Ukraine to stop messing with these girls' lives by moving them to the other side of the globe. But then I made the mistake of hooking up with a Siberian girl. Flying her back and forth from Siberia was certainly disruptive, but she is pretty resourceful. She just started an online store in Siberia and continues to make money creating online content.
sorry I got the dets wrong. I thought your profile status said "engaged" on it so I figured you proposed. Why not go to Russia then. Americans can get a 3 year tourist visa. Head to Moscow and you'll have plenty to do, plus expats who can advise you.
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As it turns out I am indeed a sponsor now. My sugar baby gets an actual allowance from me. I think this might indeed make me feel less guilty when the inevitable breakup happens. We initially agreed to see each other twice a week but it quickly grew into 4-5. We are at the airport right now heading to a sunny spot for her 25th birthday. it's been a struggle maintaining some sort of balance. We had 2 big discussions where I told her I felt that unappreciated. I think I'm a bit hyper sensitive to being used because of the SB/SD dynamic. I have trouble not comparing her to my Siberian ex but she asked me not to do that. She doesn't do much cooking or cleaning but she doesn't live with me either. She has done a lot of interpreter work for me, phone calls, etc. She wears lingerie a lot and looks like a Victoria's Secret model. I mean truly a spectacular female.
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are the fees being paid in hard or soft currency?
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You just need to ask her how much would appreciation cost? It is an add on extra!
This is true in the USA also. Most SB do not appreciate the SD because they are thinking they are paid for providing a valuable service. Appreciation is not included in the basic service. Sometime it can not be had at any price.
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I think I'm a bit hyper sensitive to being used because of the SB/SD dynamic.
If you have established that this is a relationship of money for companionship, you are being used for money. But, you're using her as well, for her beauty. So what's the problem? Isn't that what you sought?
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You just need to ask her how much would appreciation cost?
This is true in the USA also. Most SB do not appreciate the SD because they are thinking they are paid for providing a valuable service. Appreciation is not included in the basic service. Sometime it can not be had at any price.
While perhaps cynical I would wonder about her depreciation over time.
To appreciate her your valuing a complex set of factors such as; can she 'read a spark plug', does she mind getting dirty, can you plug in whenever, or is the time spent together purely transactional?
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Notice we have a drop dead pretty 25 year old with a man nearly twice her age who has a habit of leaving women. Maybe this girl has figured it out and does not get to emotional involved for a reason.
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You just need to ask her how much would appreciation cost?
This is true in the USA also. Most SB do not appreciate the SD because they are thinking they are paid for providing a valuable service. Appreciation is not included in the basic service. Sometime it can not be had at any price.
While perhaps cynical I would wonder about her depreciation over time.
To appreciate her your valuing a complex set of factors such as; can she 'read a spark plug', does she mind getting dirty, can you plug in whenever, or is the time spent together purely transactional?
Haha I think she actually might learn to read a spark plug some day. She has an above average interest in cars and has helped me try to procure a garage.
One more discussion about feeling unappreciated and she has been an angel since a week ago. One of the main things I mentioned was that she sounds annoyed every time a ask her a question. She said it's just the way she is. I said it needs to change or this relationship isn't going to work. Also I said I need more please and thank you. All of that has changed for the better.
When we embarked on this relationship she said she was interested in this sort of thing because she had met too many men who only wanted a one night stand. She thought that a man with some skin in the game, so to speak, would want to stick around for a while. She really is a sweetheart. The plan right now is for her to watch my dogs in my apartment while I return to California for a month. What could possibly go wrong?
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regarding the breakup with the Siberian girl, her and I had a texting discussion where she gave me a piece of her mind for being with a new girl so soon (she found out through a mutual friend). This was followed by a video call during which we both cried a little and also laughed a little. I tried to be non defensive and validating. I think she left that experience feeling a little better. I can say that I still love her and miss her but I also know we wouldn't work.
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Notice we have a drop dead pretty 25 year old with a man nearly twice her age who has a habit of leaving women. Maybe this girl has figured it out and does not get to emotional involved for a reason.
Considerably more than twice her age🙄
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As she is on the payroll it is sensible for her to take on board your instructions as an employer. She will do what she sees as being reasonably necessary to continue her employment.
I am sure that if yiu announced a sudden interest in basketweaving that she'd feign a similar interest, or at least be supportive, in your newfound hobby.
The same goes with her attitude to you. You provided guidance as to how you wanted her to manifest her relationship with you and she has taken on board that guidance as any sensible employee would do.
On that basis, I'd not trust her with your pets while you are not around to manage her.
Never forget, she is an employee, a member of staff without an employment contract. You can expect a good working relationship and efficient completion of agreed tasks - but no more.
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She really is a sweetheart. The plan right now is for her to watch my dogs in my apartment while I return to California for a month. What could possibly go wrong?
This sounds like the intro to a really funny movie.
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She really is a sweetheart. The plan right now is for her to watch my dogs in my apartment while I return to California for a month. What could possibly go wrong?
This sounds like the intro to a really funny movie.
Or too much like the plot of "Eight Below", which wasn't too funny at all. I started teaching at a local university here in Odessa. If things go sideways I can probably get my colleague to take the dogs to a kennel. Hopefully it won't come to that. She speaks favorably of her upcoming doggie adventure. She will be bringing her dog over also.🐶🐶🐶👸🏻
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As she is on the payroll it is sensible for her to take on board your instructions as an employer. She will do what she sees as being reasonably necessary to continue her employment.
I am sure that if yiu announced a sudden interest in basketweaving that she'd feign a similar interest, or at least be supportive, in your newfound hobby.
The same goes with her attitude to you. You provided guidance as to how you wanted her to manifest her relationship with you and she has taken on board that guidance as any sensible employee would do.
On that basis, I'd not trust her with your pets while you are not around to manage her.
Never forget, she is an employee, a member of staff without an employment contract. You can expect a good working relationship and efficient completion of agreed tasks - but no more.
This is unassailable logic. However, it's a bit clinical and overlooks the natural tendency for humans (or other mammals) to bond when they spend time together. Especially when intimacy is involved (ok forget the dog thing, haha). I actually do expect quite a bit more than agreed upon tasks. Maybe she does also. Initially we agreed to see each other twice a week. It has never been less than 4x. We spend quite a bit of time at my place. At first she didn't cook, but she does most of the cooking now. I have been giving her driving lessons, also not part of the original bargain. She is a quite useful interpreter. She teaches me a few new Russian words per week. Her English improves by being with me. Although I suppose one could view the extras from her side as prudent job security.
Speaking of learning Russian, I feel like I'm on the verge of a breakthrough. Beyond vocabulary I'm starting to learn a bit about grouping words together, i.e., building sentences.
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Sounds like you're falling into the sponsorship trap.
When you pay somebody for their time that's what you buy. You give this woman money so that she will be with you. Like many guys you forget about the money and imagine its about emotional stuff.
Women in this situation are much less emotional about it. For her, you're the (a) source of income.
It's in her interest to bind you emotionally as that makes it easier to get you to continue to keep paying her.
You'll fall in love, if you haven't done so already, she won't.
You're easy meat. Russian or Ukrainian guys would not be so easy, they understand the dynamics of the setup better than you - it's a cultural thing.
If you disagree with me then try this: tell her that you're going to take her off the payroll. See what happens. Her reaction will tell you all you need to know.
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Sounds like you're falling into the sponsorship trap.
When you pay somebody for their time that's what you buy. You give this woman money so that she will be with you. Like many guys you forget about the money and imagine its about emotional stuff.
Women in this situation are much less emotional about it. For her, you're the (a) source of income.
It's in her interest to bind you emotionally as that makes it easier to get you to continue to keep paying her.
You'll fall in love, if you haven't done so already, she won't.
You're easy meat. Russian or Ukrainian guys would not be so easy, they understand the dynamics of the setup better than you - it's a cultural thing.
If you disagree with me then try this: tell her that you're going to take her off the payroll. See what happens. Her reaction will tell you all you need to know.
OK man. Your'e right. I'm a stooge.
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No, not a stooge. If that's what you took from my words then I did not communicate well.
When you pay for her services then you are in control. (or should be).
But from her side she wants to get as much as possible from you with least amount of effort. That's normal.
The problem that male sponsors face is that they get emotionally involved and forget that the reason she is there is because she is being paid to be there.
It does not mean there can be no affection or respect, but if you don't manage her well then she will take advantage of you. You'll fall in love and she will exploit that. She will not respect you and as a result she will not have the affection for you that enhances the experience for you (or she).
From what I have seen, many western guys fall into that trap because they are unprepared and unfamiliar with what they're doing.
To give an example, there's a reason that many sponsors will remove tags from clothing gifts and keep expensive jewellery gifts locked up in his home for use by her when they are together, or with his permission when she is on her own. Think about that.
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No, not a stooge. If that's what you took from my words then I did not communicate well.
When you pay for her services then you are in control. (or should be).
But from her side she wants to get as much as possible from you with least amount of effort. That's normal.
The problem that male sponsors face is that they get emotionally involved and forget that the reason she is there is because she is being paid to be there.
It does not mean there can be no affection or respect, but if you don't manage her well then she will take advantage of you. You'll fall in love and she will exploit that. She will not respect you and as a result she will not have the affection for you that enhances the experience for you (or she).
From what I have seen, many western guys fall into that trap because they are unprepared and unfamiliar with what they're doing.
To give an example, there's a reason that many sponsors will remove tags from clothing gifts and keep expensive jewellery gifts locked up in his home for use by her when they are together, or with his permission when she is on her own. Think about that.
JAD is not capable of real love, he has proven that time and again with his escapades in Ukraine and back in California.
What he is now experiencing is the fact that the girl is in control and not him, and it bothers him to have that feeling.
He prefers to date a normal girl, pretend that he's serious about having a relationship leading to marriage, and then kick the girl to the curb at the end. He gets a sick thrill out of that.
Now he's the one who is going to get kicked to the curb, because the girl is smart and she's only using him.
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Contrarian, I am sure you're correct. In no small part it is why I suggested some form of rental model for him. Such a model can give the girls some protection and at the least some compensation for their 'inconvenience'.
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What I don't get is why he broke up with the latest girl. What's the point of going all the way to Ukraine for her and then first sign of trouble split. the weird thing is he rebounded real quick with someone else.
well, he's got some strange quirks in dating that's for sure. He keeps saying he found the one and then dumps her asap.
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He doesn't like himself very much.
He quickly comes to realise that he does not deserve these perfect women. As a result he either tries to make them into something he can deserve (he breaks them) or forces them away - which serves to prove and confirm how undeserving he is.
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you guys are reading waaaaaay too much into this IMO.
Also, the girls involved are not 10's nor prefect nor whatever some of you think. They're just attractive girls. In Moscow they wouldn't turn heads nor stand out in any way.
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It's not about the girls. Agreed they are nice but a dime a dozen in Moscow or St Petes. It's his modus operandi of proposing to them and then dumping them right after.
sure you can date with no strings but he's not doing that.
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Listen arm chair psychologists, there is perhaps truth is some observations above. In the end though JaD will find a balance that works for him. If he is honest and communicates both his strengths and weaknesses and the other party understands and accepts this status qua than I see no harm.
My observation eventually we all grow up and accept reality. It is the pity about the debris and damage left in the wake, but such is life.
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Listen arm chair psychologists, there is perhaps truth is some observations above. In the end though JaD will find a balance that works for him. If he is honest and communicates both his strengths and weaknesses and the other party understands and accepts this status qua than I see no harm.
Except he was not honest with the first few and in fact did harm.
By his own admission the first gal had some sort of nervous breakdown.
The second one he strung all the way to California, then sent her back after cancelling the marriage and needing to pay her off.
The third one lived with him a bit and then he finally kicked her to the curb.
That's 3 strikes, you're out in baseball.
Over there he might end up getting a beat down by a male friend of a girl who he plays with.
It's a good thing that he has gone the "sponsor" route. Anything else is indeed dishonest and does cause harm.
As long as everyone is on the same page there is no harm or foul with the sponsorship situation.
I don't see any woman as being "a dime a dozen" or "not a 10".
That's arrogant and doesn't take into fact that these are real human beings, with feelings and family members who have also been put through the ringer.
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It's not about the girls. Agreed they are nice but a dime a dozen in Moscow or St Petes. It's his modus operandi of proposing to them and then dumping them right after.
sure you can date with no strings but he's not doing that.
He is now, with the girl he has sponsored. There should not be any problems, except with his ego getting crushed when she's had enough of him. Andrew put it very well above.
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you guys are reading waaaaaay too much into this IMO.
Also, the girls involved are not 10's nor prefect nor whatever some of you think. They're just attractive girls. In Moscow they wouldn't turn heads nor stand out in any way.
Yeah agree there most cam girls and that sort of shit are not so clever especially when you wake up in the morning with one and the make up is kind of smudged.. that's why they are cam girls ..
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As she is on the payroll it is sensible for her to take on board your instructions as an employer. She will do what she sees as being reasonably necessary to continue her employment.
I am sure that if yiu announced a sudden interest in basketweaving that she'd feign a similar interest, or at least be supportive, in your newfound hobby.
The same goes with her attitude to you. You provided guidance as to how you wanted her to manifest her relationship with you and she has taken on board that guidance as any sensible employee would do.
On that basis, I'd not trust her with your pets while you are not around to manage her.
Never forget, she is an employee, a member of staff without an employment contract. You can expect a good working relationship and efficient completion of agreed tasks - but no more.
This is unassailable logic. However, it's a bit clinical and overlooks the natural tendency for humans (or other mammals) to bond when they spend time together. Especially when intimacy is involved (ok forget the dog thing, haha). I actually do expect quite a bit more than agreed upon tasks. Maybe she does also. Initially we agreed to see each other twice a week. It has never been less than 4x. We spend quite a bit of time at my place. At first she didn't cook, but she does most of the cooking now. I have been giving her driving lessons, also not part of the original bargain. She is a quite useful interpreter. She teaches me a few new Russian words per week. Her English improves by being with me. Although I suppose one could view the extras from her side as prudent job security.
Speaking of learning Russian, I feel like I'm on the verge of a breakthrough. Beyond vocabulary I'm starting to learn a bit about grouping words together, i.e., building sentences.
Stop giving her money or gifts, and see how long your "bond" lasts.
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It's not about the girls. Agreed they are nice but a dime a dozen in Moscow or St Petes. It's his modus operandi of proposing to them and then dumping them right after.
sure you can date with no strings but he's not doing that.
He is now, with the girl he has sponsored. There should not be any problems, except with his ego getting crushed when she's had enough of him. Andrew put it very well above.
You guys are looking at this through Western eyes.
While what Andrew said could be true in the States/West, the reality in Ukraine/Russia is quite the opposite.
I have made subtle hints in this thread to JAD about his new life in the FSU. You know, about living here and not going back to Cali, (at least not the the near future), being careful when teaching as he'll meet many available candidates, which can be a problem believe it or not, etc. Why? Because I have been living it here myself going on 17 years and know what his possibilities are.
A sponsored girl, even if she is actually that in this case, which I'm not 100% convinced, does NOT have the power in the relationship. Not here, not even close. She is well aware that she can be replaced in a heartbeat even though she might think JAD is unaware of this at the moment. Don't believe me, cut her off and see what her reaction is.
You think the option of working 30-40 hours a week for $3-500 a month sounds more appealing than having everything paid for by a guy who is fun, active, can take you to nice places, etc when all she has to do is be cool to the guy, enjoy the perks and spread her legs? (sorry if that's rude to some but it's the reality of the situation)
The reason I said you guys are reading too much into this is because JAD's answer to Andrew's post IMO struck me as another way of him saying "sure, whatever you say, you're right, I'm a stooge" and that nothing bad has happened in his current relationship as of yet. I doubt he was even back in Cali when he posted that reply.
Even if I'm wrong in this case (and I don't think I am) and he put too much trust in her too soon it doesn't change anything about what I'm saying here.
I also seriously doubt she's going to do something bad to the dogs if it gets that far, especially since she's a dog owner herself.
There's a reason nice attractive girls get dumped in the FSU all the time by in-demand FSU men at the first sign of trouble in the relationship. The competition for a man with money and half his shit together is fierce in these parts. There are way more women, eligible women than men here, period, exclamation point. The women know this, and while they don't like it overall, it is what it is. They also think foreigners treat women better than local men.
JAD just became a big fish in a little pond whereas he was just another guy in the US. And even if this relationship has gone south (again which I don't think it has) another dev will be along shortly.
JAD has already proven he can pull women. While some of you might not like the end result nor his MO, this is a fact. He also has the fact that he's a foreigner going for him, which despite what some of you think, plays big time here IF you live here. I'm sure JAD has started to notice how much easier it is to "get" women, I'm talking young good looking women in the FSU than the States especially for a guy his age. Women who are very eager to get with you and make it easy for a guy to figure this out.
Now does JAD have some psychological problems? Well, that's not for me to judge. Dude has to live with his choices. But, if any of you think that what I've just said is wrong, well, you would be one of the ones who just doesn't "get" how things work here.
And if I have said it once, I've said it a thousand times. DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT treat these women like you would an American or Western women. That does not mean being a douche to them, not at all. Just understand who really holds the power in the relationship here when you're the one "in demand".
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It's not about the girls. Agreed they are nice but a dime a dozen in Moscow or St Petes. It's his modus operandi of proposing to them and then dumping them right after.
sure you can date with no strings but he's not doing that.
He is now, with the girl he has sponsored. There should not be any problems, except with his ego getting crushed when she's had enough of him. Andrew put it very well above.
You guys are looking at this through Western eyes.
While what Andrew said could be true in the States/West, the reality in Ukraine/Russia is quite the opposite.
I have made subtle hints in this thread to JAD about his new life in the FSU. You know, about living here and not going back to Cali, (at least not the the near future), being careful when teaching as he'll meet many available candidates, which can be a problem believe it or not, etc. Why? Because I have been living it here myself going on 17 years and know what his possibilities are.
A sponsored girl, even if she is actually that in this case, which I'm not 100% convinced, does NOT have the power in the relationship. Not here, not even close. She is well aware that she can be replaced in a heartbeat even though she might think JAD is unaware of this at the moment. Don't believe me, cut her off and see what her reaction is.
You think the option of working 30-40 hours a week for $3-500 a month sounds more appealing than having everything paid for by a guy who is fun, active, can take you to nice places, etc when all she has to do is be cool to the guy, enjoy the perks and spread her legs? (sorry if that's rude to some but it's the reality of the situation)
The reason I said you guys are reading too much into this is because JAD's answer to Andrew's post IMO struck me as another way of him saying "sure, whatever you say, you're right, I'm a stooge" and that nothing bad has happened in his current relationship as of yet. I doubt he was even back in Cali when he posted that reply.
Even if I'm wrong in this case (and I don't think I am) and he put too much trust in her too soon it doesn't change anything about what I'm saying here.
I also seriously doubt she's going to do something bad to the dogs if it gets that far, especially since she's a dog owner herself.
There's a reason nice attractive girls get dumped in the FSU all the time by in demand FSU men at the first sign of trouble in the relationship. The competition for a man with money and half is shit together if fierce in these parts. There are way more women, eligible women than men here, period, exclamation point. The women know this, and while they don't like it overall, it is what it is. They also think foreigners treat women better than local men.
JAD just became a big fish in a little pond whereas he was just another guy in the US. And even if this relationship has gone south (again which I don't think it has) another dev will be along shortly.
JAD has already proven he can pull women. While some of you might not like the end result nor his MO, this is a fact. He also has the fact that he's a foreigner going for him, which despite what some of you think, plays big time here IF you live here. I'm sure JAD has started to notice how much easier it is to "get" women, I'm talking young good looking women in the FSU than the States especially for a guy his age. Women who are very eager to get with you and make it easy for a guy to figure this out.
Now does JAD have some psychological problems? Well, that's not for me to judge. Dude has to live with his choices. But, if any of you think that what I've just said is wrong, well, you would be one the ones who just doesn't "get" how things work here.
And if I have said it once, I've said it a thousand times. DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT treat these women like you would an American or Western women. That does not mean being a douche to them, not at all. Just understand who really holds the power in the relationship here when you're the one "in demand".
Thanks Danchik. That's a lot to digest for a Western guy but it's good to know that there are other explanations and possibilities.
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Well, if I can simplify it a bit, start by thinking of the basic concept of supply and demand with various quirks given the culture and maybe you start to get what I'm saying.
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Danchik, that's very true what you've written. Some girls though don't care about the foreigner card or even the money card. I lived in Moscow long enough and met girls of all sorts. Some like you cause you speak English and are from a different culture. Others gravitate towards the money. And yet others are pretty normal and don't buy any of that.
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I got back to Odessa from California two weeks ago. The dogs are great. My girlfriend almost pulled her hair out, taken care of three of them was a challenge. She did a great job and it was better than a dog sitter. Our relationship seems to more or less have picked up where it left off. I still think she's really cool and incredibly hot, but I do perceive a bit of a power struggle from time to time. I'm fascinated by what Dan chick said about supply and demand. On the one hand I know that's true but on the other hand I have trouble adopting it as my reality. If I did believe that in my core, I think things would go better for me.
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I got back to Odessa from California two weeks ago. The dogs are great. My girlfriend almost pulled her hair out, taken care of three of them was a challenge. She did a great job and it was better than a dog sitter. Our relationship seems to more or less have picked up where it left off. I still think she's really cool and incredibly hot, but I do perceive a bit of a power struggle from time to time. I'm fascinated by what Dan chick said about supply and demand. On the one hand I know that's true but on the other hand I have trouble adopting it as my reality. If I did believe that in my core, I think things would go better for me.
Who did you fly with? Did you need to show some sort of proof of vaccine (a vaccine passport) in order to get back into Ukraine?
Prior to that did you need to show a vaccine passport to US customs when returning home? Did you need to show a vaccine passport to the airliners you flew with?
Thanks and good luck.
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I still think she's really cool and incredibly hot, but I do perceive a bit of a power struggle from time to time.
Women will sometime try to push your buttons to see if you handle things like a real man. She may want to be the weaker sex but testing you to see how you handle situations and her.
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I got back to Odessa from California two weeks ago. The dogs are great. My girlfriend almost pulled her hair out, taken care of three of them was a challenge. She did a great job and it was better than a dog sitter. Our relationship seems to more or less have picked up where it left off. I still think she's really cool and incredibly hot, but I do perceive a bit of a power struggle from time to time. I'm fascinated by what Dan chick said about supply and demand. On the one hand I know that's true but on the other hand I have trouble adopting it as my reality. If I did believe that in my core, I think things would go better for me.
Who did you fly with? Did you need to show some sort of proof of vaccine (a vaccine passport) in order to get back into Ukraine?
Prior to that did you need to show a vaccine passport to US customs when returning home? Did you need to show a vaccine passport to the airliners you flew with?
Thanks and good luck.
I don't remember all the carriers on the way to Cali but I know part of it was LOT. Ok the way back it was Delta, American and Ukrainian air. Odessa Warsaw Chicago San Diego then San Diego JFK Paris Kiev Odessa. PCR tests both ways. Got Pfizer vaccine in California but it didn't help with travels. Needed Covid insurance to get into Ukraine
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Contrarian (love the username) are you planning a trip to Ukraine? If so what city?
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Contrarian (love the username) are you planning a trip to Ukraine? If so what city?
Probably not real soon but never say never.
I might meet a Russian gal in Vegas or I might meet a different Russian gal somewhere in the Caribbean or Spain, hopefully within the next six months.
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I got back to Odessa from California two weeks ago. The dogs are great. My girlfriend almost pulled her hair out, taken care of three of them was a challenge. She did a great job and it was better than a dog sitter. Our relationship seems to more or less have picked up where it left off. I still think she's really cool and incredibly hot, but I do perceive a bit of a power struggle from time to time. I'm fascinated by what Dan chick said about supply and demand. On the one hand I know that's true but on the other hand I have trouble adopting it as my reality. If I did believe that in my core, I think things would go better for me.
Who did you fly with? Did you need to show some sort of proof of vaccine (a vaccine passport) in order to get back into Ukraine?
Prior to that did you need to show a vaccine passport to US customs when returning home? Did you need to show a vaccine passport to the airliners you flew with?
Thanks and good luck.
I don't remember all the carriers on the way to Cali but I know part of it was LOT. Ok the way back it was Delta, American and Ukrainian air. Odessa Warsaw Chicago San Diego then San Diego JFK Paris Kiev Odessa. PCR tests both ways. Got Pfizer vaccine in California but it didn't help with travels. Needed Covid insurance to get into Ukraine
Is the PCR test when they stick something up your nose or can that be done with just saliva from the mouth without the invasion up into your crib plate?
How much does the Covid insurance cost when entering Ukraine?
From The Freedom Articles by Makia Freeman
"We need to ask ourselves whether these COVID tests are in fact a clever way to gain secret access to the inside of our bodies, especially our brains.
The nasal swabs being used (called nasopharyngeal or oropharyngeal) are incredibly long (around 6 inches or 15 cm) which means they reach to the very back of our throats. Is there any medical reason why the swabs must be this length?
In human anatomy, the cribriform plate is a midline bone important as part both of the cranium and of the nose which transmits the olfactory nerves that carry the sense of smell. It is a very delicate and fragile part of the body.
Why on earth do the COVID tests contain a swab (a padded stick) which can poke and prod this delicate bone? Could it be because the cribriform plate allows access to the brain?
Could these COVID tests be used to surreptitiously infect people (with some disease-causing agent), deliver the vaccine (which they claim they are still developing) or even implant people (with nanotechnology such as microchips)?
I asked a retired medical doctor who is known to Health Impact News about what Makia was saying here regarding the need for long cotton swabs penetrating so far into the body, and this doctor replied:
There is no valid reason for swabbing the naso-pharynx so deeply that it causes pain and injury to the extreme back and roof of the nose. Whatever microorganisms are there are distributed throughout the entire nose and throat.
They are supposedly easily communicated by a sneeze, hence the “need” for masks.. You don’t have to go digging for them. You could even blow your nose into a tissue and that would be a sufficient sample to culture."
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I got back to Odessa from California two weeks ago. The dogs are great. My girlfriend almost pulled her hair out, taken care of three of them was a challenge. She did a great job and it was better than a dog sitter. Our relationship seems to more or less have picked up where it left off. I still think she's really cool and incredibly hot, but I do perceive a bit of a power struggle from time to time. I'm fascinated by what Dan chick said about supply and demand. On the one hand I know that's true but on the other hand I have trouble adopting it as my reality. If I did believe that in my core, I think things would go better for me.
Who did you fly with? Did you need to show some sort of proof of vaccine (a vaccine passport) in order to get back into Ukraine?
Prior to that did you need to show a vaccine passport to US customs when returning home? Did you need to show a vaccine passport to the airliners you flew with?
Thanks and good luck.
I don't remember all the carriers on the way to Cali but I know part of it was LOT. Ok the way back it was Delta, American and Ukrainian air. Odessa Warsaw Chicago San Diego then San Diego JFK Paris Kiev Odessa. PCR tests both ways. Got Pfizer vaccine in California but it didn't help with travels. Needed Covid insurance to get into Ukraine
Is the PCR test when they stick something up your nose or can that be done with just saliva from the mouth without the invasion up into your crib plate?
How much does the Covid insurance cost when entering Ukraine?
From The Freedom Articles by Makia Freeman
"We need to ask ourselves whether these COVID tests are in fact a clever way to gain secret access to the inside of our bodies, especially our brains.
The nasal swabs being used (called nasopharyngeal or oropharyngeal) are incredibly long (around 6 inches or 15 cm) which means they reach to the very back of our throats. Is there any medical reason why the swabs must be this length?
In human anatomy, the cribriform plate is a midline bone important as part both of the cranium and of the nose which transmits the olfactory nerves that carry the sense of smell. It is a very delicate and fragile part of the body.
Why on earth do the COVID tests contain a swab (a padded stick) which can poke and prod this delicate bone? Could it be because the cribriform plate allows access to the brain?
Could these COVID tests be used to surreptitiously infect people (with some disease-causing agent), deliver the vaccine (which they claim they are still developing) or even implant people (with nanotechnology such as microchips)?
I asked a retired medical doctor who is known to Health Impact News about what Makia was saying here regarding the need for long cotton swabs penetrating so far into the body, and this doctor replied:
There is no valid reason for swabbing the naso-pharynx so deeply that it causes pain and injury to the extreme back and roof of the nose. Whatever microorganisms are there are distributed throughout the entire nose and throat.
They are supposedly easily communicated by a sneeze, hence the “need” for masks.. You don’t have to go digging for them. You could even blow your nose into a tissue and that would be a sufficient sample to culture."
FFS, what an absolute load of crap.
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I got back to Odessa from California two weeks ago. The dogs are great. My girlfriend almost pulled her hair out, taken care of three of them was a challenge. She did a great job and it was better than a dog sitter. Our relationship seems to more or less have picked up where it left off. I still think she's really cool and incredibly hot, but I do perceive a bit of a power struggle from time to time. I'm fascinated by what Dan chick said about supply and demand. On the one hand I know that's true but on the other hand I have trouble adopting it as my reality. If I did believe that in my core, I think things would go better for me.
Who did you fly with? Did you need to show some sort of proof of vaccine (a vaccine passport) in order to get back into Ukraine?
Prior to that did you need to show a vaccine passport to US customs when returning home? Did you need to show a vaccine passport to the airliners you flew with?
Thanks and good luck.
I don't remember all the carriers on the way to Cali but I know part of it was LOT. Ok the way back it was Delta, American and Ukrainian air. Odessa Warsaw Chicago San Diego then San Diego JFK Paris Kiev Odessa. PCR tests both ways. Got Pfizer vaccine in California but it didn't help with travels. Needed Covid insurance to get into Ukraine
Is the PCR test when they stick something up your nose or can that be done with just saliva from the mouth without the invasion up into your crib plate?
How much does the Covid insurance cost when entering Ukraine?
From The Freedom Articles by Makia Freeman
"We need to ask ourselves whether these COVID tests are in fact a clever way to gain secret access to the inside of our bodies, especially our brains.
The nasal swabs being used (called nasopharyngeal or oropharyngeal) are incredibly long (around 6 inches or 15 cm) which means they reach to the very back of our throats. Is there any medical reason why the swabs must be this length?
In human anatomy, the cribriform plate is a midline bone important as part both of the cranium and of the nose which transmits the olfactory nerves that carry the sense of smell. It is a very delicate and fragile part of the body.
Why on earth do the COVID tests contain a swab (a padded stick) which can poke and prod this delicate bone? Could it be because the cribriform plate allows access to the brain?
Could these COVID tests be used to surreptitiously infect people (with some disease-causing agent), deliver the vaccine (which they claim they are still developing) or even implant people (with nanotechnology such as microchips)?
I asked a retired medical doctor who is known to Health Impact News about what Makia was saying here regarding the need for long cotton swabs penetrating so far into the body, and this doctor replied:
There is no valid reason for swabbing the naso-pharynx so deeply that it causes pain and injury to the extreme back and roof of the nose. Whatever microorganisms are there are distributed throughout the entire nose and throat.
They are supposedly easily communicated by a sneeze, hence the “need” for masks.. You don’t have to go digging for them. You could even blow your nose into a tissue and that would be a sufficient sample to culture."
FFS, what an absolute load of crap.
Believe whatever you want to believe!! If you actually read the article, they say there are more questions than answers. The most important thing is to question everything, especially government propaganda. Use your critical thinking skills and think for yourself.
http://stateofthenation.co/?p=31752
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Oh, the dumbass is strong here.
If you have had a covid test you will know that the swab is not inserted 5 or 6 inches into the back of the nose. So, all the stuff that flows from that ridiculous claim is stopped at that point.
Nobody WANTS to think of 'Dumb Americans' but then you go and prove it to us time after time after time. Makes one wonder if IQ does not follow a bell curve in the USA as much as a lopsided smile curve.
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Oh, the dumbass is strong here.
If you have had a covid test you will know that the swab is not inserted 5 or 6 inches into the back of the nose. So, all the stuff that flows from that ridiculous claim is stopped at that point.
Nobody WANTS to think of 'Dumb Americans' but then you go and prove it to us time after time after time. Makes one wonder if IQ does not follow a bell curve in the USA as much as a lopsided smile curve.
Yes, you're so smart, because you went along with the big Pharma agenda. And I'm dumb because I question everything.
Bill Gates has famously said that vaccines are a 20 to 1 Return On Investment (ROI).
If you don't believe they're priming you to get a chip implanted into your brain, that's okay, you have a right to believe what you want to believe.
And why do they need to point a laser temperature reader at your head? A nurse who was interviewed stated that it's far more accurate to point those laser temperature readers at your wrist. She also said that the laser interferes with your pineal gland.
I find it very creepy that they point those things at someones head, especially when it's a child. I believe everything they are doing is conditioning.
https://christiansfortruth.com/canadian-vaccine-researcher-warns-mrna-vaccines-are-a-big-mistake-with-scary-long-term-effects-on-health/
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Believe whatever you want to believe!! If you actually read the article, they say there are more questions than answers. The most important thing is to question everything, especially government propaganda. Use your critical thinking skills and think for yourself.
http://stateofthenation.co/?p=31752
It’s unfortunate to see people buy into the conspiracy theories swirling around on the dumbernet.
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Confederate, there's a difference between questioning things and being so credulous that you'll believe anything.
You're like a child who must question everything because he knows nothing.
1) Do you know where the pineal gland is? I'll let you look it up, but no 'laser' safe to point at a human face and eyes is going to reach it.
2) Those 'laser' thermometers that are supposedly damaging your pineal gland - not lasers. It's infrared light. Yeah, it's confusing because well - red, right?
If you knew even just a little about your world you'd be better able to understand what is going on around you. With just a little knowledge you'd know that stuff you read is designed to mislead the marching morons.
So, no, I don't question everything - that's what children and uninformed dolts do. Whatever I might be, I am neither of those things.
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Any chance to return to JaD and his new life in Odesa?
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Any chance to return to JaD and his new life in Odesa?
Yes I agree 100%!!
My post and my question was directed at Just a Dude. I would like to hear his answer. It was a two way conversation. Dog Soldier and his Holy Highness can see their way out of the conversation!! :laugh:
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Any chance to return to JaD and his new life in Odesa?
Yes I agree 100%!!
My post and my question was directed at Just a Dude. I would like to hear his answer. It was a two way conversation. Dog Soldier and his Holy Highness can see their way out of the conversation!! :laugh:
You posted the Freedom article on this thread so expect responses to it.
If you don’t want responses, don’t post stuff. :party0011:
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May I suggest that all the corona virus stuff here be moved to its own thread..
It's polluting JAD's posts about his trials and tribulations..
Thank you.
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May I suggest that all the corona virus stuff here be moved to its own thread..
It's polluting JAD's posts about his trials and tribulations..
Thank you.
JAD seems to have gone silent again.
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I got back to Odessa from California two weeks ago. The dogs are great. My girlfriend almost pulled her hair out, taken care of three of them was a challenge. She did a great job and it was better than a dog sitter. Our relationship seems to more or less have picked up where it left off. I still think she's really cool and incredibly hot, but I do perceive a bit of a power struggle from time to time. I'm fascinated by what Dan chick said about supply and demand. On the one hand I know that's true but on the other hand I have trouble adopting it as my reality. If I did believe that in my core, I think things would go better for me.
Who did you fly with? Did you need to show some sort of proof of vaccine (a vaccine passport) in order to get back into Ukraine?
Prior to that did you need to show a vaccine passport to US customs when returning home? Did you need to show a vaccine passport to the airliners you flew with?
Thanks and good luck.
I don't remember all the carriers on the way to Cali but I know part of it was LOT. Ok the way back it was Delta, American and Ukrainian air. Odessa Warsaw Chicago San Diego then San Diego JFK Paris Kiev Odessa. PCR tests both ways. Got Pfizer vaccine in California but it didn't help with travels. Needed Covid insurance to get into Ukraine
Is the PCR test when they stick something up your nose or can that be done with just saliva from the mouth without the invasion up into your crib plate?
How much does the Covid insurance cost when entering Ukraine?
From The Freedom Articles by Makia Freeman
"We need to ask ourselves whether these COVID tests are in fact a clever way to gain secret access to the inside of our bodies, especially our brains.
The nasal swabs being used (called nasopharyngeal or oropharyngeal) are incredibly long (around 6 inches or 15 cm) which means they reach to the very back of our throats. Is there any medical reason why the swabs must be this length?
In human anatomy, the cribriform plate is a midline bone important as part both of the cranium and of the nose which transmits the olfactory nerves that carry the sense of smell. It is a very delicate and fragile part of the body.
Why on earth do the COVID tests contain a swab (a padded stick) which can poke and prod this delicate bone? Could it be because the cribriform plate allows access to the brain?
Could these COVID tests be used to surreptitiously infect people (with some disease-causing agent), deliver the vaccine (which they claim they are still developing) or even implant people (with nanotechnology such as microchips)?
I asked a retired medical doctor who is known to Health Impact News about what Makia was saying here regarding the need for long cotton swabs penetrating so far into the body, and this doctor replied:
There is no valid reason for swabbing the naso-pharynx so deeply that it causes pain and injury to the extreme back and roof of the nose. Whatever microorganisms are there are distributed throughout the entire nose and throat.
They are supposedly easily communicated by a sneeze, hence the “need” for masks.. You don’t have to go digging for them. You could even blow your nose into a tissue and that would be a sufficient sample to culture."
FFS, what an absolute load of crap.
Believe whatever you want to believe!! If you actually read the article, they say there are more questions than answers. The most important thing is to question everything, especially government propaganda. Use your critical thinking skills and think for yourself.
http://stateofthenation.co/?p=31752
I'm no retired math teacher, but If the IQ curve was a smily face I think that would mean there are more geniuses ( 130ish + IQ) rather than less. Admittedly, more people of very low intelligence. (Below 70 IQ)
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May I suggest that all the corona virus stuff here be moved to its own thread..
It's polluting JAD's posts about his trials and tribulations..
Thank you.
Yes it's definitely cluttering up my train wreck story 😅
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Any chance to return to JaD and his new life in Odesa?
Yes I agree 100%!!
My post and my question was directed at Just a Dude. I would like to hear his answer. It was a two way conversation. Dog Soldier and his Holy Highness can see their way out of the conversation!! :laugh:
Yes the swab went uncomfortably up my nose every time, with the exception of one time in Egypt. I'm pretty sure that one was fraudulent. I'm not the brightest bulb on the tree nor particularly belligerent to authority. I've done what I've perceived as expedient, testing as necessary and getting vaccinated, in order to travel and otherwise be less inconvenienced in a pandemic world. I'll admit that I'm frequently guilty of less than full compliance with mask guidelines, which creates more opportunities to hear a cute Ukrainian shop girl say "maska budlaska". 😀
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Yeah, that's I why I wrote 'lopsided smiley fave'. There's plenty of intelligent people in the United States but, just as with the middle class, it looks like the middle, normal levels have been well and truly hollowed out.
There's not many places in the world where basic intelligence and education are so derided, where ignorance can be seen as a positive attribute. I'd bet that is a difference between what you have seen in Ukraine and your home country.
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Yeah, that's I why I wrote 'lopsided smiley fave'. There's plenty of intelligent people in the United States but, just as with the middle class, it looks like the middle, normal levels have been well and truly hollowed out.
There's not many places in the world where basic intelligence and education are so derided, where ignorance can be seen as a positive attribute. I'd bet that is a difference between what you have seen in Ukraine and your home country.
:ROFL: :bow:
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hey justadude, which girl are you with now and what happened to the one you flew over for? You still talking to her?
sorry man I lost track. hope you're having fun there.
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JAD, are you still trying to learn Russian?
It took me about 2 years to start to understand, just a bit, what others were saying to me, and about the same amount of time to formulate conversational phrases that were at least somewhat understandable for the listener.
It wasn't until my dev stopped talking to me in English that I made real progress. To say it was uncomfortable at first would be an understatement.
It might be a tad early for you to do this at the moment, but IMO, the sooner the better. It will expedite the learning curve tremendously.
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Just a Dude how are things going?
Could you post some photos of Odessa in spring coming back to life for us?
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Yeah, that's I why I wrote 'lopsided smiley fave'. There's plenty of intelligent people in the United States but, just as with the middle class, it looks like the middle, normal levels have been well and truly hollowed out.
There's not many places in the world where basic intelligence and education are so derided, where ignorance can be seen as a positive attribute. I'd bet that is a difference between what you have seen in Ukraine and your home country.
Some truth here for sure. However, I see some juxtapositions. For example, Ukrainian are well versed in geography. But many aren't able to or interested in discussing the 2014 revolution nor even the Russian military escalation of a couple months back. Last night I diverted from an English lesson to tell two 30ish yo students what little I know about investing in the stock market. They said it's something they wish they knew but they did not know how to find this out. Also, I see some low work ethic. Lack of planning for retirement. If the pension is only $100/month what am I going to do to prepare? The most common answer is to own a coupe apartments.
Also the glut of educated people is significant in my opinion. 70% of people have a bachelors degree vs 30 percent in the US. Yet the US has a per capita income 5x higher? Much of this can be explained by a more stable government and the paying of employees with black money though
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hey justadude, which girl are you with now and what happened to the one you flew over for? You still talking to her?
sorry man I lost track. hope you're having fun there.
I'm with the girl from Odessa that I've been with since February. The Siberian girl is doing pretty well. She has bounced back for the most part. I've had a couple pleasant interactions of her lately.
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I broke up with K a week ago. Silence for 4 days then on the meeting to give her back the stuff she left at my place (there should be a name for this tradition) we started talking again. We got back together with some renegotiated items. One is that she can no longer ask me to buy her additional stuff. I give her a monthly allowance. Anything else will be initiated by me. On these types of discussions I feel I've been too harsh. She really is a good girl deep down.
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I broke up with K a week ago. Silence for 4 days then on the meeting to give her back the stuff she left at my place (there should be a name for this tradition) we started talking again. We got back together with some renegotiated items. One is that she can no longer ask me to buy her additional stuff. I give her a monthly allowance. Anything else will be initiated by me. On these types of discussions I feel I've been too harsh. She really is a good girl deep down.
So says the unreformed "sugar daddy". :laugh:
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I broke up with K a week ago. Silence for 4 days then on the meeting to give her back the stuff she left at my place (there should be a name for this tradition) we started talking again. We got back together with some renegotiated items. One is that she can no longer ask me to buy her additional stuff. I give her a monthly allowance. Anything else will be initiated by me. On these types of discussions I feel I've been too harsh. She really is a good girl deep down.
So says the unreformed "sugar daddy". :laugh:
Are you spreading any sugar? Or getting any sweetness?
The questions are rhetorical.
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Hmm... She's done this before.
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As she is on the payroll it is sensible for her to take on board your instructions as an employer. She will do what she sees as being reasonably necessary to continue her employment.
I am sure that if yiu announced a sudden interest in basketweaving that she'd feign a similar interest, or at least be supportive, in your newfound hobby.
The same goes with her attitude to you. You provided guidance as to how you wanted her to manifest her relationship with you and she has taken on board that guidance as any sensible employee would do.
On that basis, I'd not trust her with your pets while you are not around to manage her.
Never forget, she is an employee, a member of staff without an employment contract. You can expect a good working relationship and efficient completion of agreed tasks - but no more.
This is unassailable logic. However, it's a bit clinical and overlooks the natural tendency for humans (or other mammals) to bond when they spend time together. Especially when intimacy is involved (ok forget the dog thing, haha). I actually do expect quite a bit more than agreed upon tasks. Maybe she does also. Initially we agreed to see each other twice a week. It has never been less than 4x. We spend quite a bit of time at my place. At first she didn't cook, but she does most of the cooking now. I have been giving her driving lessons, also not part of the original bargain. She is a quite useful interpreter. She teaches me a few new Russian words per week. Her English improves by being with me. Although I suppose one could view the extras from her side as prudent job security.
Speaking of learning Russian, I feel like I'm on the verge of a breakthrough. Beyond vocabulary I'm starting to learn a bit about grouping words together, i.e., building sentences.
Stop giving her money or gifts, and see how long your "bond" lasts.
Amen)))
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Hmm... She's done this before.
Just like fishing. She gives him a little line so he thinks he is in charge and then "bam" the hook gets set deeper.
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Oh, the dumbass is strong here.
If you have had a covid test you will know that the swab is not inserted 5 or 6 inches into the back of the nose. So, all the stuff that flows from that ridiculous claim is stopped at that point.
Nobody WANTS to think of 'Dumb Americans' but then you go and prove it to us time after time after time. Makes one wonder if IQ does not follow a bell curve in the USA as much as a lopsided smile curve.
After the last year and a half I'm beginning to wonder myself.
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We took a day road trip a couple days ago, to a place that looks like the Florida Everglades. Plans to have a double date with a couple (students) from one of my English classes. My girl is super fun. She is putting in discernible effort to make me happy (like bringing food to my new garage while I was working the other night). She's just really cool. I doubt it will last forever, but it's pretty fun for now.
I'm getting my garage set up while shopping (I bought a MIG welder and started building workbenches) for a zhiguli 27175 pickup to build. Locals laugh at me for wanting to build one. I think I'll do something that other dudes will appreciate though. I plan to put Kopika headlights and front sheet metal on the more updated pickup body. And add a turbo, fat tires, air conditioning...
I make no promises that I'll finish it, it I've completed much more ambitious projects back home.
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I'm getting my garage set up while shopping (I bought a MIG welder and started building workbenches) for a zhiguli 27175 pickup to build. Locals laugh at me for wanting to build one. I think I'll do something that other dudes will appreciate though. I plan to put Kopika headlights and front sheet metal on the more updated pickup body. And add a turbo, fat tires, air conditioning...
I make no promises that I'll finish it, it I've completed much more ambitious projects back home.
Sounds interesting!
Ever thought of converting & updating a Lada Niva?
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I'm getting my garage set up while shopping (I bought a MIG welder and started building workbenches) for a zhiguli 27175 pickup to build. Locals laugh at me for wanting to build one. I think I'll do something that other dudes will appreciate though. I plan to put Kopika headlights and front sheet metal on the more updated pickup body. And add a turbo, fat tires, air conditioning...
I make no promises that I'll finish it, it I've completed much more ambitious projects back home.
Sounds interesting!
Ever thought of converting & updating a Lada Niva?
Yep! I was pretty sure I was going to build one of those a few months ago. I'd make it 2WD and lower it. I wouldn't be the first. But I love little pickups so for now I'm on the trail of a 27175
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What model is the above, looks better than any Lexus I have seen/driven.
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I had intended to mention this before. I'm sorry it slipped my mind, because I'm sure the haters here can make some hay with it. A couple months after we established our arrangement, she quit her job. Then another month after that she moved into a nicer apartment. Incidentally, the new place is a lot closer to mine so she walks over sometimes. And when picking her up in the car the drive is shorter. So have some fun with that info if you like))
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I suppose that you're paying for her life upgrade. No problem with that. You're her career.
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I thought we had a gentleman's agreement to NOT critique each others partners?
Please respect that understanding.
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I mentioned earlier how easy it is to meet girls when one (a foreigner) lives here. Here is some other advice to keep in mind.
I have often suggested that if a guy is serious about finding a FSUW, that moving here, even temporarily for a few months, is by far the best way to go about it.
The problems come the longer you live here when you start to meet many. From having to juggle them (international Women's Day is a good time to leave town on business :)), to "breaking hearts", to expenses that add up (you can't just sit at home with new g/f's), to being labelled a "бабник" (the kiss of death for a guy), to, believe it or not, having to choose one from many good/great possibilities and a myriad of other problems after becoming a fixture in the area.
Fortunately, this takes time, so the newcomer can enjoy his newfound wealth of talent and the juggling is much easier when you're the new kid on the block.
If one is adventurous enough to come and meet his one and only, I suggest finding her and getting out as quickly as possible before another one comes along to complicate matters.
Having many choices might seem like an ideal situation for a guy, but in reality it can turn into a nightmare. Think of being a kid in a candy store and then being told to choose just one. It's where I find myself at the moment, and it has handicapped my life in ways I had not thought about when I first moved here.
Tossing one after another aside after a few months of fun and games (at your expense) has its own set of problems once you've settled into an area and have made a habit of doing this. Just a little food for thought.
JAD, you have posted photos of girls you're meeting in Ukraine. While I certainly have no problem with it, others will, for whatever negative emotion it might conjure up inside of them.
Part of me can't help but think this is one of the reasons why you post the photos. My point is, you're not the Lone Ranger here, meaning it's something others could do if afforded the chance. Keep that in mind
Oh BTW, my avatar is a partial photo of very special lady to me just to show you the type of talent I meet here :)
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Justadude thank you for your story. That's an honest testimony.
How do you manage the fact that you are entering into a unique relationship, considering she had left her job?
She now relies on you, so your freedom is somehow limited now.
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Girls don't leave good jobs and then depend on a man they just met to finance their life. IOW, she left a job that can her easily replace by a similar one should it come to that.
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hey justdude, i guess your intentions now are to just have fun with girls rather than set them up for disappointment with offering marriage, is that assessment accurate?
Or did you really hope it would work out with the ones you brought over to the states. maybe don't put too much pressure on yourself. What I don't get is that you say you've found the "perfect" one yet time and time again break up with them for no apparent reason.
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Girls don't leave good jobs and then depend on a man they just met to finance their life. IOW, she left a job that can her easily replace by a similar one should it come to that.
+1
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I'm getting my garage set up while shopping (I bought a MIG welder and started building workbenches) for a zhiguli 27175 pickup to build. Locals laugh at me for wanting to build one. I think I'll do something that other dudes will appreciate though. I plan to put Kopika headlights and front sheet metal on the more updated pickup body. And add a turbo, fat tires, air conditioning...
I make no promises that I'll finish it, it I've completed much more ambitious projects back home.
Are you going to build one from a four door saloon like an El Camino? Or get one with a removable pickup body on? Or convert a van down?
I've seen Lada Rivas made into pickups from saloon cars and the lines look better IMO.
They only have a little circa 1500cc four-pot IIRC, can you add a turbo to one of those without stressing the bottom end? Or do you need to upgrade the oil pump too?
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hey justdude, i guess your intentions now are to just have fun with girls rather than set them up for disappointment with offering marriage, is that assessment accurate?
Or did you really hope it would work out with the ones you brought over to the states. maybe don't put too much pressure on yourself. What I don't get is that you say you've found the "perfect" one yet time and time again break up with them for no apparent reason.
Yes, that is more or less correct. Although it has been more complicated on the ground than it seems it should be.
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I'm getting my garage set up while shopping (I bought a MIG welder and started building workbenches) for a zhiguli 27175 pickup to build. Locals laugh at me for wanting to build one. I think I'll do something that other dudes will appreciate though. I plan to put Kopika headlights and front sheet metal on the more updated pickup body. And add a turbo, fat tires, air conditioning...
I make no promises that I'll finish it, it I've completed much more ambitious projects back home.
Are you going to build one from a four door saloon like an El Camino? Or get one with a removable pickup body on? Or convert a van down?
I've seen Lada Rivas made into pickups from saloon cars and the lines look better IMO.
They only have a little circa 1500cc four-pot IIRC, can you add a turbo to one of those without stressing the bottom end? Or do you need to upgrade the oil pump too?
I had thought I would start with the pickup/van version and remove the cargo hold, which is pretty simple. As it turns out, I decided to go with the front wheel drive Zaz 1105 pickup. I removed the cargo cover on the one I bought. They have a very strange 3 bolt lug pattern. I converted it to a more modern 4 lug pattern. I used Daewoo Sens brakes and hubs in the front and VW Golf Mk2 brakes and hubs in the back. Other guys have converted the chassis with front wheel drive Lada parts. I think I'm the first one to do it this way.
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I mentioned earlier how easy it is to meet girls when one (a foreigner) lives here. Here is some other advice to keep in mind.
I have often suggested that if a guy is serious about finding a FSUW, that moving here, even temporarily for a few months, is by far the best way to go about it.
The problems come the longer you live here when you start to meet many. From having to juggle them (international Women's Day is a good time to leave town on business :)), to "breaking hearts", to expenses that add up (you can't just sit at home with new g/f's), to being labelled a "бабник" (the kiss of death for a guy), to, believe it or not, having to choose one from many good/great possibilities and a myriad of other problems after becoming a fixture in the area.
Fortunately, this takes time, so the newcomer can enjoy his newfound wealth of talent and the juggling is much easier when you're the new kid on the block.
If one is adventurous enough to come and meet his one and only, I suggest finding her and getting out as quickly as possible before another one comes along to complicate matters.
Having many choices might seem like an ideal situation for a guy, but in reality it can turn into a nightmare. Think of being a kid in a candy store and then being told to choose just one. It's where I find myself at the moment, and it has handicapped my life in ways I had not thought about when I first moved here.
Tossing one after another aside after a few months of fun and games (at your expense) has its own set of problems once you've settled into an area and have made a habit of doing this. Just a little food for thought.
JAD, you have posted photos of girls you're meeting in Ukraine. While I certainly have no problem with it, others will, for whatever negative emotion it might conjure up inside of them.
Part of me can't help but think this is one of the reasons why you post the photos. My point is, you're not the Lone Ranger here, meaning it's something others could do if afforded the chance. Keep that in mind
Oh BTW, my avatar is a partial photo of very special lady to me just to show you the type of talent I meet here :)
I think you are better at it than me. It's not easy at all for me. I don't find myself faced with myriad choices.
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I started work today as a university teacher here in Odessa. I'm facing a 25% contract in the mechanical engineering department. I had hoped to get a job teaching psychology, but all I have is an offer to teach 2-3 guest lectures this semester, with a slim hope that I can teach in the spring.
Meanwhile, I enrolled in a local university's master's of English/French philology. It's an 18 month program. Cost of about $5000 for the 18 months. My hope is that this will make me employable at Ukrainian universities as an English teacher (I've learned not to use the word professor, they can get a little bent out of shape about that).
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I mentioned earlier how easy it is to meet girls when one (a foreigner) lives here. Here is some other advice to keep in mind.
I have often suggested that if a guy is serious about finding a FSUW, that moving here, even temporarily for a few months, is by far the best way to go about it.
The problems come the longer you live here when you start to meet many. From having to juggle them (international Women's Day is a good time to leave town on business :)), to "breaking hearts", to expenses that add up (you can't just sit at home with new g/f's), to being labelled a "бабник" (the kiss of death for a guy), to, believe it or not, having to choose one from many good/great possibilities and a myriad of other problems after becoming a fixture in the area.
Fortunately, this takes time, so the newcomer can enjoy his newfound wealth of talent and the juggling is much easier when you're the new kid on the block.
If one is adventurous enough to come and meet his one and only, I suggest finding her and getting out as quickly as possible before another one comes along to complicate matters.
Having many choices might seem like an ideal situation for a guy, but in reality it can turn into a nightmare. Think of being a kid in a candy store and then being told to choose just one. It's where I find myself at the moment, and it has handicapped my life in ways I had not thought about when I first moved here.
Tossing one after another aside after a few months of fun and games (at your expense) has its own set of problems once you've settled into an area and have made a habit of doing this. Just a little food for thought.
JAD, you have posted photos of girls you're meeting in Ukraine. While I certainly have no problem with it, others will, for whatever negative emotion it might conjure up inside of them.
Part of me can't help but think this is one of the reasons why you post the photos. My point is, you're not the Lone Ranger here, meaning it's something others could do if afforded the chance. Keep that in mind
Oh BTW, my avatar is a partial photo of very special lady to me just to show you the type of talent I meet here :)
I think you are better at it than me. It's not easy at all for me. I don't find myself faced with myriad choices.
Really? You seem to meet them easily as we're on what with you, number 4 in the last year, even though one was a "business" relationship.
I live in a city 15 times the size of Odessa and just meet more. I have also live here 17 years and speak the language. Give it time. :)
Also, FWIW, relax. You're away too emotional about the breakups. Enjoy life, you're in Odessa for :censored: sakes.
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Also, FWIW, relax. You're away too emotional about the breakups. Enjoy life, you're in Odessa for :censored: sakes.
Now that is some good advice!
JAD, you have posted photos of girls you're meeting in Ukraine. While I certainly have no problem with it, others will, for whatever negative emotion it might conjure up inside of them.
Not to disagree with your point, because it is a good one, but I hope I have always blocked out faces.
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I'm enjoying your reports with photos Justadude. Your path may not be for everybody and you'll get some criticism but I appreciate your effort to detail every part of it.
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JaD are you still in Odessa or did you get out before the Russian invasion? How are things on the ground there?
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JaD are you still in Odessa or did you get out before the Russian invasion? How are things on the ground there?
Let's hope he got out! Or he is at the border crossing now.
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I'm in touch with him, he's ok
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He is in Moldova, but I'll let him tell his own story when he wants to
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He is in Moldova, but I'll let him tell his own story when he wants to
Good to know he is well.
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He is in Moldova, but I'll let him tell his own story when he wants to
Good to know he is well.
Plenty of slim women in Chișinău, Moldova.
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He is in Moldova, but I'll let him tell his own story when he wants to
With commercial flights shut down, I assume he crossed into Moldova by car. I read the State Dept. website advising Americans which countries and border checkpoints to cross. The breakaway area of Moldova is to be avoided.