You don't seem to get it, Steveboy...
I seriously doubt RB will be liable for much of the debt ... 'Trampu' has put businesses into bankruptcy ( ooops, sorry, Chapter 11) SIX times - stiffing creditors for MILLIONS - if not Billions in total..
Some folks voted for him, thinking this experience ( 'Good businessman') would make him a great 'leader'... So..
Branson for PM ? ....
You don't seem to get it, Steveboy...
I seriously doubt RB will be liable for much of the debt ... 'Trampu' has put businesses into bankruptcy ( ooops, sorry, Chapter 11) SIX times - stiffing creditors for MILLIONS - if not Billions in total..
Some folks voted for him, thinking this experience ( 'Good businessman') would make him a great 'leader'... So..
Branson for PM ? ....
Donald Trump lives in your little head, rent free. It must be horrible being Moby. :snivel:
Donald Trump lives in your little head, rent free. It must be horrible being Moby. :snivel:
Your daily psychological ASSessments for the day constantly entertain ... Are you sure I'm not living in YOUR head ? ;)
I correct your howlers, you just howl about Trump. Knowledge is power. 🤫
looks like there are already a few petitions going..
I'm so glad BoJo was cared for by a Portuguese Nurse .... hopefully she'll have reminded him that more of her kind cannot come, soon ...
Branson and other business people like him have a problem. They cannot (and should not) be expected to afford to pay for the salaries of people who cannot work, in large part, because of restrictions placed by national governments. That's not a normal business risk.
Many people think that the rich have a building akin to Scrooge McDuck's gold vault where piles of money are stored, available for swimming in, spending, burning, whatever. That's not how it is at all.
A sensible person will have his or wealth in large illiquid form as investments. Right now, guess what types of assets are the least liquid? Real estate, stocks, businesses. Branson cannot simply turn up hundreds of millions of pounds. He has offered to pledge his single most valuable (non airline) asset as security for a loan at sensible terms. This seems not unreasonable. He is putting up a personal asset as security for a business loan.
It is worth noting that the airline is not solely owned by Branson. Virgin Atlantic is owned by a holding company owned jointly with Delta Airlines 49%/51% yet Branson is offering to pledge a personal asset for a debt that would be only partly his responsibility.
Some moan that the business should get no help due to the lack of taxes paid in the UK. That's silly. The company is based in the UK and a large number of the employees are British based, British tax payers. The economic argument is that by keeping these people in a job with a (hopefully) viable business following restructuring the costs to the exchequer are less than the cost of a loan that is likely to be repaid.
The underlying question that should be answered though is whether a post Covid-19 world can support all the airlines and infrastructure that were in use before the virus. If the judgement is that it can't then as a matter of policy no assistance should be given, or it should be targeted on the candidates most likely to perform adequately after the virus.
Steve, if he sells at whatever price he can get right now then he gets, in practical terms nothing - forced sale, low price. Not much money, doesn't do much good.
If the asset is taken as security then if the loan isn't repaid the asset will be sold or used and at a higher price given that it wont be happening in the middle of the biggest pandemic since 1918.
The greatest good is done by maximising the value of the asset - unless you think that the action should be a case of punishing the guy for being wealthy and, I am sure that's not what you really want, is it?
Ed Sheeran is paying for staff at his private pub. It's a handful of people. The Virgin Group employs over 8000 on the airline. A slight difference in scale.
I'd bet there are legal reasons connected to fiduciary responsibility that limit the ability of Virgin to fly the business into the ground to the detriment of the shareholders.
Ed Sheeran is paying for staff at his private pub. It's a handful of people. The Virgin Group employs over 8000 on the airline. A slight difference in scale.
I'd bet there are legal reasons connected to fiduciary responsibility that limit the ability of Virgin to fly the business into the ground to the detriment of the shareholders.
Branson and other business people like him have a problem. They cannot (and should not) be expected to afford to pay for the salaries of people who cannot work, in large part, because of restrictions placed by national governments. That's not a normal business risk.
The underlying question that should be answered though is whether a post Covid-19 world can support all the airlines and infrastructure that were in use before the virus. If the judgement is that it can't then as a matter of policy no assistance should be given, or it should be targeted on the candidates most likely to perform adequately after the virus.
As about Branson's Guarrantees, his islands ....... I am sure you read that have been destroyed by the typhoon.........and their value......is not 500 million....I read!
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As about Branson's Guarrantees, his islands ....... I am sure you read that have been destroyed by the typhoon.........and their value......is not 500 million....I read!
Ms. Beckam is seriously annoying and it would be on my list. * BUT if she was available and I could use a noise cancelling device, I might do mankind a small favour and pound her.
*in some ways a better version than the original, unfortunately ms is not on the list!
I like Victoria Beckham. :nod:
I've no time for Beardy Branson though.
Perhaps we could rename this topic "People Steve Hates"? :chuckle:
As about Branson's Guarrantees, his islands ....... I am sure you read that have been destroyed by the typhoon.........and their value......is not 500 million....I read!
Which guarantees? How many islands does he own? Which typhoon destroyed the islands? Have you seen any of the islands?
You read, I assume Cat in the Hat.
Note: My initial post did not correctly indicate the author. It is in fact Wiz as visible above, Reply#29.
As about Branson's Guarrantees, his islands ....... I am sure you read that have been destroyed by the typhoon.........and their value......is not 500 million....I read!
Which guarantees? How many islands does he own? Which typhoon destroyed the islands? Have you seen any of the islands?
You read, I assume Cat in the Hat.
Note: My initial post did not correctly indicate the author. It is in fact Wiz as visible above, Reply#29.
I suggest when you come to your senses and the wine has stop controlling your head..... go and make some searches about the Necker Island that he bought for $28,000 dollars...... you will discover that it was destroyed from a hurricane.........
DO NOT TRY TO BE CLEVER for the sake to ridicule my comments.
You are justs a TROLL and nothing else... go talk to your mate Moby!
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I like Victoria Beckham but could you just explain one little thing what you like about this poisoned dwarf ? :laugh:
I like Victoria Beckham but could you just explain one little thing what you like about this poisoned dwarf ? :laugh:Also she kept her family together through some rocky times with the added pressure of the media spotlight.
I have a bridge connecting Brooklyn to Manhattan for sale. The generous chap that I am I will make a special price for you!
I like Victoria Beckham but could you just explain one little thing what you like about this poisoned dwarf ? :laugh:
I read her books and she came across really nice and good hearted, and she’s from a decent family. I knew a few folks who met them when they lived up here when he was at United, people liked them. I always thought she was the best looking of the Spice Girls, and she’s matured into a pretty keen looking milf.
Sure her fashion label isn’t the most successful, but it’s the millionaire version of a rich housewife bird with a shop selling candles and smelly stuff. Keeps her busy, she gets to hang out with designers and folks like Elton. Why not? They don’t need the clothes thing to make a profit, it’s a hobby really. Better she does that on his dime than be bored at home and end up shagging her tennis coach.
She’s actually got a superb fashion sense, but not so much business sense. Her stuff is great looking and well cut but simply not good value for money. Had she have pitched lower in the market within reach of average middle class folks, it’d have done well. Her mistake was trying to enter the market at Versace and Hermes level without the history.
Also she kept her family together through some rocky times with the added pressure of the media spotlight.
I like Victoria Beckham but could you just explain one little thing what you like about this poisoned dwarf ? :laugh:
I read her books and she came across really nice and good hearted, and she’s from a decent family. I knew a few folks who met them when they lived up here when he was at United, people liked them. I always thought she was the best looking of the Spice Girls, and she’s matured into a pretty keen looking milf.
Sure her fashion label isn’t the most successful, but it’s the millionaire version of a rich housewife bird with a shop selling candles and smelly stuff. Keeps her busy, she gets to hang out with designers and folks like Elton. Why not? They don’t need the clothes thing to make a profit, it’s a hobby really. Better she does that on his dime than be bored at home and end up shagging her tennis coach.
She’s actually got a superb fashion sense, but not so much business sense. Her stuff is great looking and well cut but simply not good value for money. Had she have pitched lower in the market within reach of average middle class folks, it’d have done well. Her mistake was trying to enter the market at Versace and Hermes level without the history.
Also she kept her family together through some rocky times with the added pressure of the media spotlight.
folks like Elton Christ i forgot that one!! Elton John a despicable person utterly.. here we have the usual hypercritical pr*** that hangs about with other pr***s .. here is a guy who has the f*** audacity to tell the likes of you and me to cut down our C02 emissions , take less holidays , use the car less often whilst this fat twat lays in bed sucking his partners plums and ordering private jets to collect his friends for a weekend party..
Then he has the bloody audacity to say it is ok for him as he will pay some conscience tax to some green planet fund and plant a few trees to offset it.. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: he must think the general public are stupid.. of course he does!
What a idiot the guy has landed up as..
So ok one more to the list
1. trick dicky
2. dip shit beckem
3. elton plum sucker john
While I am not sure, if you think that island is worth 500 million $US, I have a bridge connecting Brooklyn to Manhattan for sale. The generous chap that I am I will make a special price for you! For what it is worth he DID NOT buy the island as you suggest for $ 28,000.=
A veritable Greek oracle of misinformation is Wiz.
I like Victoria Beckham but could you just explain one little thing what you like about this poisoned dwarf ? :laugh:
I read her books and she came across really nice and good hearted, and she’s from a decent family. I knew a few folks who met them when they lived up here when he was at United, people liked them. I always thought she was the best looking of the Spice Girls, and she’s matured into a pretty keen looking milf.
Sure her fashion label isn’t the most successful, but it’s the millionaire version of a rich housewife bird with a shop selling candles and smelly stuff. Keeps her busy, she gets to hang out with designers and folks like Elton. Why not? They don’t need the clothes thing to make a profit, it’s a hobby really. Better she does that on his dime than be bored at home and end up shagging her tennis coach.
She’s actually got a superb fashion sense, but not so much business sense. Her stuff is great looking and well cut but simply not good value for money. Had she have pitched lower in the market within reach of average middle class folks, it’d have done well. Her mistake was trying to enter the market at Versace and Hermes level without the history.
Also she kept her family together through some rocky times with the added pressure of the media spotlight.
folks like Elton Christ i forgot that one!! Elton John a despicable person utterly.. here we have the usual hypercritical pr*** that hangs about with other pr***s .. here is a guy who has the f*** audacity to tell the likes of you and me to cut down our C02 emissions , take less holidays , use the car less often whilst this fat twat lays in bed sucking his partners plums and ordering private jets to collect his friends for a weekend party..
Then he has the bloody audacity to say it is ok for him as he will pay some conscience tax to some green planet fund and plant a few trees to offset it.. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: he must think the general public are stupid.. of course he does!
What a idiot the guy has landed up as..
So ok one more to the list
1. trick dicky
2. dip shit beckem
3. elton plum sucker john
Has your Mrs taken social distancing to an extreme and banned you from the bedroom? :chuckle:
You seem to be awful shirty of late. :ROFL:
Are you saying I have no sex? My wife says I'm a non stop sex machine ... :chuckle:
Are you saying I have no sex? My wife says I'm a non stop sex machine ... :chuckle:
Just like she has convinced you that a centimeter is the same as an inch.
Are you saying I have no sex? My wife says I'm a non stop sex machine ... :chuckle:
Just like she has convinced you that a centimeter is the same as an inch.
I'm so glad BoJo was cared for by a Portuguese Nurse .... hopefully she'll have reminded him that more of her kind cannot come, soon ...
Why do you feel the need to constantly lie? Perhaps you’re just stupid, who knows?
I'm so glad BoJo was cared for by a Portuguese Nurse .... hopefully she'll have reminded him that more of her kind cannot come, soon ...
Why do you feel the need to constantly lie? Perhaps you’re just stupid, who knows?
Hmm, tell us about what band a nurse needs to be to earn £25k under the coming rules ..
You say you have nursing friends ... you'll find who was 'lying' ..
https://www.nurses.co.uk/careers-hub/nursing-pay-guide/
yes, I’m aware that I’ve just wasted another 5 minutes of my day on you, pointing out the bloody obvious. Now for once in life just get back to me and admit you’re wrong and that arguing is a horrible yet uncontrollable facet of your odd little personality disorder.
Steveboy, is there a pattern building here about self deception fuelled by flattery?
Steveboy, is there a pattern building here about self deception fuelled by flattery?
I think I have been seeing to many guys Bios and bullshit over the years it's kind of rubbing off on me :laugh:
yes, I’m aware that I’ve just wasted another 5 minutes of my day on you, pointing out the bloody obvious. Now for once in life just get back to me and admit you’re wrong and that arguing is a horrible yet uncontrollable facet of your odd little personality disorder.
..You did indeed and never dealt with the question that put a 15" round through your 'armour' .. ( sorry 'argument' ) .. Once again, you prove you are clueless re current and future immigration law ... and the plight of UK nursing and need for help from other nations... help that will slow down, if there's
1/ No deal re EU workers rights
2/ a min salary set at a rate that will make it nigh on impossible to recruit Nurses from neighbouring EU nations
What nursing grade was the Portuguese Nurse ? ..
..You did indeed and never dealt with the question that put a 15" round through your 'armour' .. ( sorry 'argument' ) .. Once again, you prove you are clueless re current and future immigration law ... and the plight of UK nursing and need for help from other nations... help that will slow down, if there's
1/ No deal re EU workers rights
2/ a min salary set at a rate that will make it nigh on impossible to recruit Nurses from neighbouring EU nations
What nursing grade was the Portuguese Nurse ? ..
Moby, be a good chap and read what I write. You talk rubbish about a post you obviously can’t understand or you wouldn’t embarrass yourself like this.
To steal a quote, is it dishonesty or stupidity, on your behalf? Either way it’s wasting my time.
And if you’re telling me you know all about future UK immigration requirements before the government does......then that’s why they call you Mystic!! :chuckle:
yes, I’m aware that I’ve just wasted another 5 minutes of my day on you, pointing out the bloody obvious. Now for once in life just get back to me and admit you’re wrong and that arguing is a horrible yet uncontrollable facet of your odd little personality disorder.
..You did indeed and never dealt with the question that put a 15" round through your 'armour' .. ( sorry 'argument' ) .. Once again, you prove you are clueless re current and future immigration law ... and the plight of UK nursing and need for help from other nations... help that will slow down, if there's
1/ No deal re EU workers rights
2/ a min salary set at a rate that will make it nigh on impossible to recruit Nurses from neighbouring EU nations
What nursing grade was the Portuguese Nurse ? ..
..You did indeed and never dealt with the question that put a 15" round through your 'armour' .. ( sorry 'argument' ) .. Once again, you prove you are clueless re current and future immigration law ... and the plight of UK nursing and need for help from other nations... help that will slow down, if there's
1/ No deal re EU workers rights
2/ a min salary set at a rate that will make it nigh on impossible to recruit Nurses from neighbouring EU nations
What nursing grade was the Portuguese Nurse ? ..
Moby, be a good chap and read what I write. You talk rubbish about a post you obviously can’t understand or you wouldn’t embarrass yourself like this.
To steal a quote, is it dishonesty or stupidity, on your behalf? Either way it’s wasting my time.
And if you’re telling me you know all about future UK immigration requirements before the government does......then that’s why they call you Mystic!! :chuckle:
Rosco, I read what you wrote and it was clear you STILL hadn't a clue what health workers / care-workers in the front line were experiencing whilst you indulged in a spot of personal 'attacking ' ..
My question re the Portuguese nurse that cared for Boris and her grade was extremely valid and you dodged it ...
The govt have already announced their work visa criteria ..
Mystic has obviously lost his powers. Be a good chap now Moby and apologise once you’re emotionally available?
https://news.sky.com/story/post-brexit-immigration-plans-to-replace-free-movement-with-points-system-clear-first-commons-hurdle-11990623
Officials said the system will make it easier and quicker for medical professionals around the world to work in the health service through a new fast-track NHS visa
This stuff cracks me up..... :laugh:
I cannot believe my bloody petition Has still not been signed off! maybe on purpose! 5 days they said and those buggers were given an extra 10 grand to work from home..
Do you know how many working class protection leagues, power to the people clubs, workers of the world unite , more pay for the unemployed , better social security clubs, pages and associations and so on I signed up ready to promote the petition , bloody piles of them and now I got all their left wing garbage coming to my facebook non stop like train!! I got to spend all week now removing it and myself from their far left garbage.. Im feeling a bit bored today so will see how many of them will remove me from their pages.. :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
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I only just started.. :laugh:
Mystic has obviously lost his powers. Be a good chap now Moby and apologise once you’re emotionally available?
https://news.sky.com/story/post-brexit-immigration-plans-to-replace-free-movement-with-points-system-clear-first-commons-hurdle-11990623
Officials said the system will make it easier and quicker for medical professionals around the world to work in the health service through a new fast-track NHS visa
This stuff cracks me up..... :laugh:
Thanks, Rosco
In one fell swoop you proved:
1/ who doesn't read
2/ if you had read you'd have realised that the Portuguese nurse would NOT qualify to be here under the new rules ..clue 70 points...
You see, once again, you are talking to somebody seeking to bring in two people under the existing and new criteria and I actually knew the rules ..
Blah blah blah.....
Thanks, Rosco
In one fell swoop you proved:
1/ who doesn't read
2/ if you had read you'd have realised that the Portuguese nurse would NOT qualify to be here under the new rules ..clue 70 points...
You see, once again, you are talking to somebody seeking to bring in two people under the existing and new criteria and I actually knew the rules ..
Rosco, if you simply cannot 'believe' me and why you are mistaken, read what the RCN have to say ..
"“We are concerned that these proposals from the Government will not meet the health and care needs of the population. They close the door to lower-paid healthcare support workers and care assistants from overseas, who currently fill significant numbers of posts in the health and care workforce.
"While recruitment of overseas staff shouldn’t be used as a replacement for domestic workforce supply, it’s clear that it will need to continue in the short to medium-term so that health and social care services in the UK can continue to function.
“We are clear that maintaining arbitrary salary thresholds will not enable health and social care services in the UK to recruit and retain the number of staff needed to meet the needs of the UK’s population.
“We are also very disappointed to see the Immigration Health Surcharge of £400 a year for overseas staff remain in place. Nursing staff from abroad, whom we want to attract to the UK, already pay for the NHS through their taxes and should not have to pay this extra charge, which applies whether or not they access services”.
PS the govt decided to raise the Immigration Health Charge by over 50% and STILL make those working in the NHS pay :dh:
Sorry, we can’t accept the petition you supported – “Deny Richard Branson access to TAX payers money to rescue his business ventures.”.
It included confidential, libellous, false or defamatory information, or a reference to a case which is active in the UK courts.
From an email just now:QuoteSorry, we can’t accept the petition you supported – “Deny Richard Branson access to TAX payers money to rescue his business ventures.”.
It included confidential, libellous, false or defamatory information, or a reference to a case which is active in the UK courts.