As of now, it appears that the president is willing to discuss all of the points the Russians are pushing with the exception of denazification - which from Zelenskiys point of view is probably a death warrant. Is it one or two of the original negotiating team who are now dead with a bullet in the head?
As of now, it appears that the president is willing to discuss all of the points the Russians are pushing with the exception of denazification - which from Zelenskiys point of view is probably a death warrant. Is it one or two of the original negotiating team who are now dead with a bullet in the head?
This is an interesting bit we haven't discussed.
I did see on Twitter the other day that one of the negotiating team had been threatened and then killed, I didn't post it as I wasn't terribly sure of the source (an example to Contrarian and Tex, but I digress). The background I read to it was the negotiator was threatened by the very influential Nazi element (that some here deny exist) to do their bidding, not give in to demand X or some such. It seems the bloke didn't do as he was told and they killed him.
So it would seem that the Nazis are trying to influence the negotiating process from behind the scenes. Zelensky can't outright condemn them or they'll kill him too. So if he prevaricates and lets Russia do it, everyone wins.
Children being "nazified" looks no different at all from Russian military summer camps. If the Russians are chauvinist and nationalistic that's all good. But if the Ukrainians are the least bit nationalist, they get condemned. Keep grasping at straws.
https://www.dw.com/en/russian-kids-play-war-in-military-summer-camps/a-44857423
https://time.com/4516808/inside-russias-military-training-schools-for-teens/
This is an interesting bit we haven't discussed.
Young Pioneers in Russia during communism
Source TASS
(https://phototass4.cdnvideo.ru/width/1020_b9261fa1/tass/m2/en/uploads/i/20200519/1267673.jpg)
"The organization is remembered fondly today by millions of people from all over
the former Soviet Union and Eastern Europe not so much as a brainwashing
system (though instilling patriotism and ideological education was part of the reason behind the creation of all such youth organizations) but as part of their growing up, where they made friends and became dynamic young souls. "
Source RT Russiapedia
https://russiapedia.rt.com/of-russian-origin/pioneers/
This is an interesting bit we haven't discussed.
I asked you to do this earlier, but you need to define what you mean as
Nazi's. Please define Nazi's for the purpose of this debate/conversation.
Children being "nazified" looks no different at all from Russian military summer camps. If the Russians are chauvinist and nationalistic that's all good. But if the Ukrainians are the least bit nationalist, they get condemned. Keep grasping at straws.
https://www.dw.com/en/russian-kids-play-war-in-military-summer-camps/a-44857423
https://time.com/4516808/inside-russias-military-training-schools-for-teens/
Military training schools in Russia do not Nazify the children, that is my point...
The video posted is from a training camp run by the Azov battalion...
Try a little lateral thinking, it will help you understand more what is posted by anyone..
Easy Manny, tell Putin, to tell his Nazi buddies he installed in the east to go back to Russian
and Ukraine is denazified. Then the war can be over.
Yes its absolutely horrible.Children being "nazified" looks no different at all from Russian military summer camps. If the Russians are chauvinist and nationalistic that's all good. But if the Ukrainians are the least bit nationalist, they get condemned. Keep grasping at straws.
https://www.dw.com/en/russian-kids-play-war-in-military-summer-camps/a-44857423
https://time.com/4516808/inside-russias-military-training-schools-for-teens/
Military training schools in Russia do not Nazify the children, that is my point...
The video posted is from a training camp run by the Azov battalion...
Try a little lateral thinking, it will help you understand more what is posted by anyone..
Easy Manny, tell Putin, to tell his Nazi buddies he installed in the east to go back to Russian
and Ukraine is denazified. Then the war can be over.
There is a massive difference between Pioneers of yesteryear and Pioneers of today, they are very similar to the GG movement..
A man of your intellect level should have known/realized that, instead of posting something so stupid obviously in an attempt to challenge my previously posted videos...
It would have been more interesting if you had posted evidence to contradict me, rather than posting such "Whataboutism" claptrap...
There is a massive difference between Pioneers of yesteryear and Pioneers of today, they are very similar to the GG movement..
A man of your intellect level should have known/realized that, instead of posting something so stupid obviously in an attempt to challenge my previously posted videos...
It would have been more interesting if you had posted evidence to contradict me, rather than posting such "Whataboutism" claptrap...
For starters you have totally misunderstood the purpose of my post(s).
I want people to define what Nazi's mean before debating further
I have had the argument a thousand times that Nazi's are left wing nutjobs
rather than right wing nutjobs. I asked Manny (and others) to define what
the f#ck they think Nazi's are.
One of the very first arguments that people make trying to define Nazi is
that they are patriotic/nationalistic.
Now read this.
I posted photos to show that left wing governments are patriotic/nationalistic
all the time.
I didn't even review your stuff, so my photos and posts were in reference to
me and my posts rather than to debate either you or your posts.
....
But Pro Russian folks here don't have an orignal thought
what ever Putin says, they push that narrative.
The end, "thats all folks"
Bill, to help you out because you do seem a tad confused. If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it is very probably a duck.
However, as a guide to help you, no matter the name of the National Socialist party,
often referred to as the NAZI party (which is an acronym from the German name)
the party was not a socialist party, at least not in the form by which the ruling
party in Germany during the war was seen. By 1934 and afterwards the policies
of the party and government appealed strongly to industrialists and owners of capital.
It was this grouping who provided much of the financial support and practical backing for the party -oddly enough very similar to the Nazi or neo-Nazi organisations in Ukraine.
Bill, to help you out because you do seem a tad confused. If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it is very probably a duck.
It makes sense to make sure what we are debating. You often say, if you don't
know ask, but in this case you would prefer to act like a twat. You are more than
capable of debating using facts, history and reasoning. No need to be a twat.However, as a guide to help you, no matter the name of the National Socialist party,
often referred to as the NAZI party (which is an acronym from the German name)
the party was not a socialist party, at least not in the form by which the ruling
party in Germany during the war was seen. By 1934 and afterwards the policies
of the party and government appealed strongly to industrialists and owners of capital.
Yes, this is nearly exactly like the modern left wing parties of the West.
They engage woke corporations and woke rich people, offer them preferential
treatment from government in exchange for money, favors and political
donations etc. The modern left wing parties are total Nazi's.
You made no mention of the racist or superiority complexes of the old day
Nazi's. I don't want to assume your opinion on that, so please clarify that
if is a component in your opinion of the modern day "Nazi's."It was this grouping who provided much of the financial support and practical backing for the party -oddly enough very similar to the Nazi or neo-Nazi organisations in Ukraine.
The primary differences is that the Old Nazi's in Germany were mostly legitimate
businesses and made money producing things. While the Nazi's in both Ukraine
and Russia are mobsters and old KGB henchmen/klepto oligarchs, who stole their
companies and resources then siphon money off from various industries. They
engage in murder and mayhem and are every bit as prevalent in Russia as they
are in Ukraine.
Is it possible that the Russian Mobster Nazi oligarchs just wanted to steal industries
and businesses from the Ukrainian Mobster oligarchs? And Russia went to war to
make that happen?
Or did you have a different definition of the kleptocracy presiding in both Russia
and Ukraine. They are pots calling each other's kettle black.
Also are you speaking with confidence that is what Manny meant by Nazi's? or
is it only you who define it this way?
I answered you three days ago
Here's a delightful young lady I'm sure some of you would like to look up on VK.
Bill, they're not embedded in the government, army and security services in other countries or dictating policy. That's the difference.
Putins ( phone) meeting with France and Israel didn't go great, but was said Putin
objectives no longer had denazifying Ukraine as major part of plan.
Guess he solved that already (:)
Bill, they're not embedded in the government, army and security services in other countries or dictating policy. That's the difference.
Define what you mean by Nazi's, politically what are their positions?
There are 19 different political parties in Ukraine with at least
one member in the Duma.
Putins ( phone) meeting with France and Israel didn't go great, but was said Putin
objectives no longer had denazifying Ukraine as major part of plan.
Guess he solved that already (:)
These are two members of the Ukraine parliment that have been identified as Nazi.
Arsen Borysovych Avakov
Oleksandr Turchynov
Here's a delightful young lady I'm sure some of you would like to look up on VK.
In Ukraine as in the UK, Russia, or the US they have women who are spawns
of the devil. Anecdotal evidence of such creatures does not support a widespread
movement among the general population.
I asked you to define what are Nazi's so that I can understand your point
of view. I can't debate you if I don't know where you stand.
You missed one in your list, Putin.Here's a delightful young lady I'm sure some of you would like to look up on VK.
In Ukraine as in the UK, Russia, or the US they have women who are spawns
of the devil. Anecdotal evidence of such creatures does not support a widespread
movement among the general population.
I asked you to define what are Nazi's so that I can understand your point
of view. I can't debate you if I don't know where you stand.
Something that has been ignored in your query Bill, is the fact that the strongest and most powerful Nazi's are not the skinheads waving flags with eagles tattooed on their chests. No sir, the worse Nazi's don't even claim to be Nazi's. The JP Morgan's, Henry Fords, Prescott Bush's, Rothchilds, Sherf's, Goldman Sach's and even the Roosevelts. It is they and their ilk that were the worse Nazi's in WW2.
They were worse than Hitler, Himmler and the gas chambers. They financed the Hitler war machine and brought him to power for the sole purpose of doing exactly what he did. For nothing more than profit, power, world domination and death. They've done it throughout the centuries and continue to do it to this day. They are doing it again.
Personally I believe these are the people that Putin is at war with, Ukraine happens to be the staging ground and where he drew the line in the sand and it is them forcing Putin's hand. They are Nazi's, Communist, Fascist, democratic or anything else that will help them to achieve their goals. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
You missed one in your list, Putin.
He is more like a Nazi than any of them.
Not really, I like pointing out the obvious.You missed one in your list, Putin.
He is more like a Nazi than any of them.
You're really sore about that lost land of your wife's in Crimea aren't you (https://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,29863.0.html)?
These are two members of the Ukraine parliment that have been identified as Nazi.
Arsen Borysovych Avakov
Oleksandr Turchynov
Something that has been ignored in your query Bill,
I could argue that 1/3 of the Democrats in congress are Nazi's or have several
views that would qualify them as such.
Regarding your comments, I think that Prescot Bush was a piker compared
to Mark Zuckerberg or Wells Fargo Bank.
You missed one in your list, Putin.
He is more like a Nazi than any of them.
I have been to Ukraine in 2020
I think people need to get out in nature and turn off the TV and these nazis will disappear from people's heads
I have been to Ukraine in 2020
I think people need to get out in nature and turn off the TV and these nazis will disappear from people's heads
I wish you were right, yet you arent.
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/04/nazis-ukrainian-war-russia/
I have been to Ukraine in 2020
I think people need to get out in nature and turn off the TV and these nazis will disappear from people's heads
I have been to Ukraine in 2020
I think people need to get out in nature and turn off the TV and these nazis will disappear from people's heads
I’m not sure that your trip to Ukraine in 2020, renders everyone else’s opinion automatically void.
I have been to Ukraine in 2020
I think people need to get out in nature and turn off the TV and these nazis will disappear from people's heads
I wish you were right, yet you arent.
https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/04/nazis-ukrainian-war-russia/
There is, I am coming to think, a structural issue here.
Although open support for the, shall we call them, far-right nationalists in Ukraine (and not just Ukraine) is relatively low, perhaps around 10%, there is a much larger proportion of people who are generally sympathetic to the ideals of these groups.
As we already know, it takes only a relatively small number of vocal supporters of a social goal, almost any social goal, to impose their will upon general society. The number is reckoned by those who know about this stuff, to be around 10% of the population.
This means that in Ukraine, and other countries close by, there are millions of people who will say or think something along the lines of 'well, there's not much wrong with what they are saying and doing.' So it isn't just a case of rooting out the hardline people who have over the past 8 years become embedded in the body politic and armed forces of Ukraine, but about influencing the general attitudes of the population as a whole - much as was attempted in Germany after the Great Patriotic War. That process, itself, tends to lead to restrictions on free speech and acceptable thought which troubled me in the past - and still do today albeit in a slightly different context.
Have you ever been to Ukraine ? who is telling you 1 out of 10 people belongs to a nazi or right group in Ukraine? just curious?
I have been to Ukraine in 2020
I think people need to get out in nature and turn off the TV and these nazis will disappear from people's heads
I’m not sure that your trip to Ukraine in 2020, renders everyone else’s opinion automatically void.
I have been a place where people here seem to believe its run by nazis? Are you serious and do people even know what nazi is? Maybe little green men as well as running around kharkiv?
There is, I am coming to think, a structural issue here.
Although open support for the, shall we call them, far-right nationalists in Ukraine (and not just Ukraine) is relatively low, perhaps around 10%, there is a much larger proportion of people who are generally sympathetic to the ideals of these groups.
Then there are many, many more people, who might be persuaded to vote
for them, in the right circumstances, because they cannot see much wrong
with what they say.
"In the 2019 Ukrainian parliamentary election all major Ukrainian right-wing parties
formed a nationwide united party list with the political parties Svoboda, National
Corps, the Governmental Initiative of Yarosh, and the Right Sector. The resulting
coalition only managed to win 2.15% of the popular vote, and since the coalition
failed to pass the 5% threshold it gained no parliamentary seats.1"
So there you have it, a tiny subsection of the population supports the radicals
enough to vote for them. An even smaller percentage of people support these
causes enough to take up arms against a superior nuclear armed super power.
There are not enough Nazi's to bother talking about, unless you were using
them as a phony pretext or excuse to invade another country. There is no
method to root out or destroy these people who are dispersed among
the population in Ukraine. You would have to destroy nearly all Ukrainians
to get rid of this tiny subset.
I would argue that Germany, Poland, the UK and even those sneaky Canadians2
have or exceed the 2.5% Nazi idiots that Ukraine has.
Our oldest has National service in a couple of years ( Though looks like he can skip that now with new law coming in for kids going into IT) but anyway he went for his medical yesterday, they have to do a few each year to make sure they are fit..Hopefully they'll see the loads of bodybags and aren't so eager anymore.
Wife went along.... loads of kids 18/19 all wanting or can't wait to get into the Donbass and fight for Russia..
Our oldest has National service in a couple of years ( Though looks like he can skip that now with new law coming in for kids going into IT) but anyway he went for his medical yesterday, they have to do a few each year to make sure they are fit..Hopefully they'll see the loads of bodybags and aren't so eager anymore.
Wife went along.... loads of kids 18/19 all wanting or can't wait to get into the Donbass and fight for Russia..
"In the 2019 Ukrainian parliamentary election all major Ukrainian right-wing parties
formed a nationwide united party list with the political parties Svoboda, National
Corps, the Governmental Initiative of Yarosh, and the Right Sector. The resulting
coalition only managed to win 2.15% of the popular vote, and since the coalition
failed to pass the 5% threshold it gained no parliamentary seats.1"
This ^^^^^^^^^
Funny how the Putin apologists won't discuss Sparta and Wagner Group but bang on about Azov,
or how discussing "The War/Invasion" can get you 15 years in the wonderful land of the "Russcists".
Our oldest has National service in a couple of years ( Though looks like he can skip that now with new law coming in for kids going into IT) but anyway he went for his medical yesterday, they have to do a few each year to make sure they are fit..
Wife went along.... loads of kids 18/19 all wanting or can't wait to get into the Donbass and fight for Russia..
Hopefully they'll see the loads of bodybags and aren't so eager anymore.
Our oldest has National service in a couple of years ( Though looks like he can skip that now with new law coming in for kids going into IT) but anyway he went for his medical yesterday, they have to do a few each year to make sure they are fit..
Wife went along.... loads of kids 18/19 all wanting or can't wait to get into the Donbass and fight for Russia..
Yeah i bet they get all excited at the thought of killing women and children.
Our oldest has National service in a couple of years ( Though looks like he can skip that now with new law coming in for kids going into IT) but anyway he went for his medical yesterday, they have to do a few each year to make sure they are fit..
Wife went along.... loads of kids 18/19 all wanting or can't wait to get into the Donbass and fight for Russia..
Our oldest has National service in a couple of years ( Though looks like he can skip that now with new law coming in for kids going into IT) but anyway he went for his medical yesterday, they have to do a few each year to make sure they are fit..
Wife went along.... loads of kids 18/19 all wanting or can't wait to get into the Donbass and fight for Russia..
Yeah i bet they get all excited at the thought of killing women and children.
you are an a**hole. Just because you get wet at the thought of killing women and children doesn't mean others do.
Our oldest has National service in a couple of years ( Though looks like he can skip that now with new law coming in for kids going into IT) but anyway he went for his medical yesterday, they have to do a few each year to make sure they are fit..
Wife went along.... loads of kids 18/19 all wanting or can't wait to get into the Donbass and fight for Russia..
Yeah i bet they get all excited at the thought of killing women and children.
you are an a**hole. Just because you get wet at the thought of killing women and children doesn't mean others do.
Idiot.
I'm not one of those who can't wait to get into Ukraine to kill Ukrainians.. Putin Zombie.
I hope the Ukrainian troops slaughter them.
As for you your posts reek of anti-west pro-Russian propaganda.
At least Steveboy has got the courage of his convictions and lives in Russia..why aren't you living there you hypocritical little keyboard warrior ?
they have to do a few each year to make sure they are fit..
I served in the Fleet Air Arm ...and i never bombed civilians.With the exception of my MIL and BIL both of our familes live in the USA. Would you deny us the pleasure of living close to our familes? We do have a flat in Russian. We used it for three months this past summer.
What relevance has this got with you not having the strength of your convictions and not going to live in Russia ?
Our oldest has National service in a couple of years ( Though looks like he can skip that now with new law coming in for kids going into IT) but anyway he went for his medical yesterday, they have to do a few each year to make sure they are fit..
Wife went along.... loads of kids 18/19 all wanting or can't wait to get into the Donbass and fight for Russia..
Comments like these are leading me to believe that this conflict will become a bitter and protracted war with many losses for both Russia and Ukraine. I can almost smell the reek of death from here.
I'm praying for peace and continuing to hope for a ceasefire that will stick.
I served in the Fleet Air Arm ...and i never bombed civilians.With the exception of my MIL and BIL both of our familes live in the USA. Would you deny us the pleasure of living close to our familes? We do have a flat in Russian. We used it for three months this past summer.
What relevance has this got with you not having the strength of your convictions and not going to live in Russia ?
I asked about your service because of your unhealty thirst for blood.
Our oldest has National service in a couple of years ( Though looks like he can skip that now with new law coming in for kids going into IT) but anyway he went for his medical yesterday, they have to do a few each year to make sure they are fit..
Wife went along.... loads of kids 18/19 all wanting or can't wait to get into the Donbass and fight for Russia..
Comments like these are leading me to believe that this conflict will become a bitter and protracted war with many losses for both Russia and Ukraine. I can almost smell the reek of death from here.
I'm praying for peace and continuing to hope for a ceasefire that will stick.
I have a couple of Russian patients who still keep strong connections with relatives and friends in Russia.
They said to me that Putin has unprecedented support at this time.
Russian people are ready to go through the hardship of sanction and not look at the West as their future.
My patients afraid that it will be dangerous for them to go to Russia any time soon because they are Americans.
This is new reality.
I served in the Fleet Air Arm ...and i never bombed civilians.With the exception of my MIL and BIL both of our familes live in the USA. Would you deny us the pleasure of living close to our familes? We do have a flat in Russian. We used it for three months this past summer.
What relevance has this got with you not having the strength of your convictions and not going to live in Russia ?
I asked about your service because of your unhealty thirst for blood.
It isn't me who has the unhealthy thirst for blood..it's the 18/19 year-olds in Russia who can't wait to get into Ukraine to fight who have that...as per steveboy's report.
The fact that you won't have a word said against those blood-thirsty Russian 18/19 year-olds would suggest it's YOU that has the unhealthy thirst for blood.
As for you not living in Russia ,well if your family are as anti-western pro- Russian as you are ,what's to stop you all moving to Russia ?
With the economy crashing in Russia you can all pick up some property bargains and live the dream.
Our oldest has National service in a couple of years ( Though looks like he can skip that now with new law coming in for kids going into IT) but anyway he went for his medical yesterday, they have to do a few each year to make sure they are fit..
Wife went along.... loads of kids 18/19 all wanting or can't wait to get into the Donbass and fight for Russia..
Comments like these are leading me to believe that this conflict will become a bitter and protracted war with many losses for both Russia and Ukraine. I can almost smell the reek of death from here.
I'm praying for peace and continuing to hope for a ceasefire that will stick.
I have a couple of Russian patients who still keep strong connections with relatives and friends in Russia.
They said to me that Putin has unprecedented support at this time.
Russian people are ready to go through the hardship of sanction and not look at the West as their future.
My patients afraid that it will be dangerous for them to go to Russia any time soon because they are Americans.
This is new reality.
That would explain why Russians are fleeing to Georgia,over 25,000 so far, and Finland.just to get away from Putin.
Of course the lower class,unthinking will rally round him though.
I served in the Fleet Air Arm ...and i never bombed civilians.With the exception of my MIL and BIL both of our familes live in the USA. Would you deny us the pleasure of living close to our familes? We do have a flat in Russian. We used it for three months this past summer.
What relevance has this got with you not having the strength of your convictions and not going to live in Russia ?
I asked about your service because of your unhealty thirst for blood.
It isn't me who has the unhealthy thirst for blood..it's the 18/19 year-olds in Russia who can't wait to get into Ukraine to fight who have that...as per steveboy's report.
The fact that you won't have a word said against those blood-thirsty Russian 18/19 year-olds would suggest it's YOU that has the unhealthy thirst for blood.
As for you not living in Russia ,well if your family are as anti-western pro- Russian as you are ,what's to stop you all moving to Russia ?
With the economy crashing in Russia you can all pick up some property bargains and live the dream.
This is typical WAFU bollox... If you had 1/2 a brain you would be dangerous...
Conscripts are NOT allowed to fight in Ukraine, although, admittedly some did but they have now been replaced with professionals..
Do you wish to make a comment about Ukraine now calling up and mobilizing 15-18 yr old's??
As far as the economy in Russia is concerned, its coming along pretty well oddly enough...
Property bargains!!! Where??, certainly not in any of the major cities as far as I can see, in fact they have increased in value by a min of 1/2m r this year (City/area dependent)....
Our oldest has National service in a couple of years ( Though looks like he can skip that now with new law coming in for kids going into IT) but anyway he went for his medical yesterday, they have to do a few each year to make sure they are fit..
Wife went along.... loads of kids 18/19 all wanting or can't wait to get into the Donbass and fight for Russia..
Comments like these are leading me to believe that this conflict will become a bitter and protracted war with many losses for both Russia and Ukraine. I can almost smell the reek of death from here.
I'm praying for peace and continuing to hope for a ceasefire that will stick.
I have a couple of Russian patients who still keep strong connections with relatives and friends in Russia.
They said to me that Putin has unprecedented support at this time.
Russian people are ready to go through the hardship of sanction and not look at the West as their future.
My patients afraid that it will be dangerous for them to go to Russia any time soon because they are Americans.
This is new reality.
That would explain why Russians are fleeing to Georgia,over 25,000 so far, and Finland.just to get away from Putin.
Of course the lower class,unthinking will rally round him though.
Please show a link to this, as far as I am aware, the border crossings to Georgia is still limited crossings/semi-closed, as it has been for many months...
I served in the Fleet Air Arm ...and i never bombed civilians.With the exception of my MIL and BIL both of our familes live in the USA. Would you deny us the pleasure of living close to our familes? We do have a flat in Russian. We used it for three months this past summer.
What relevance has this got with you not having the strength of your convictions and not going to live in Russia ?
I asked about your service because of your unhealty thirst for blood.
It isn't me who has the unhealthy thirst for blood..it's the 18/19 year-olds in Russia who can't wait to get into Ukraine to fight who have that...as per steveboy's report.
The fact that you won't have a word said against those blood-thirsty Russian 18/19 year-olds would suggest it's YOU that has the unhealthy thirst for blood.
As for you not living in Russia ,well if your family are as anti-western pro- Russian as you are ,what's to stop you all moving to Russia ?
With the economy crashing in Russia you can all pick up some property bargains and live the dream.
This is typical WAFU bollox... If you had 1/2 a brain you would be dangerous...
Conscripts are NOT allowed to fight in Ukraine, although, admittedly some did but they have now been replaced with professionals..
Do you wish to make a comment about Ukraine now calling up and mobilizing 15-18 yr old's??
As far as the economy in Russia is concerned, its coming along pretty well oddly enough...
Property bargains!!! Where??, certainly not in any of the major cities as far as I can see, in fact they have increased in value by a min of 1/2m r this year (City/area dependent)....
You seem to lack basic reading comprehension .
My comments are based on steveboys wife's observations about 18/19 year-old Russians who can't wait to fight in Ukraine in post 57.
Steveboy and his wife live in St Petersburg....so are you calling them liars ?
Just done a search about your claim that Ukraine is calling up 15-18 year old's to fight and can find nothing.
Did you get this from some fabricating twitter account like most of your reports ?
The story seemingly originated from Eurasianet, who are:
Just Google Russians fleeing to Georgia..it's all there,including an article on the BBC website three days ago "Russia faces brain drain as thousands flee abroad."
Although I don't doubt that some Russians have left the country, I cannot believe the numbers stated...Sorry..
Although I don't doubt that some Russians have left the country, I cannot believe the numbers stated...Sorry..
20K is nothing when you have a population of 147 million. 20K Russians probably
fell out of bed while F#cking in 2021. It's such a small number that it's statistically insignificant. They aren't going to pass a law for wearing helmets in bed.
Just like the percentage of Nazi's in Ukraine. 2.15% voted for Nazi's, such a small number that it's insignificant. This is probably equal to the percentage of New Zealanders
who bugger sheep
Note: To my Kiwi friends, it's just a ewe-phemism
How much of that population is under thirty and educated? Of the industrialized world Russia is one country of the least educated the smallest percent of young population. Losing any Educated young people is a big lost for Russia. Putin is fighting the wrong war. The real threats to Russian security are internal not Europe. Putin is still living in the 1940 or something. He is not building Russia but rather destroying it.
I actually watched Oliver Stone's 'Ukraine of Fire' yesterday, to try and get a much more in-depth information that led to the 2014 maydan. The documentary did contained more than a bit of 'nationalistic' flavor, which I'm sure was heavily slanted to 'nazism'. I think the term of the 'N' word (hahah) is more slanted towards the history of Ukrainians who collaborated with Nazi Germany in the last WW.Stirlitz as a Odessa resident had given a report here on that.
The documentary I was told, is getting banned from youtube. It reminded me of the massacre at Odes(s)a and the bombing of Luhansk State Administration building in 2014 (in the subject of killing civilians).
COnsidering most Russians get news from state TV and there is not a war, they are rescuingOur oldest has National service in a couple of years ( Though looks like he can skip that now with new law coming in for kids going into IT) but anyway he went for his medical yesterday, they have to do a few each year to make sure they are fit..
Wife went along.... loads of kids 18/19 all wanting or can't wait to get into the Donbass and fight for Russia..
Comments like these are leading me to believe that this conflict will become a bitter and protracted war with many losses for both Russia and Ukraine. I can almost smell the reek of death from here.
I'm praying for peace and continuing to hope for a ceasefire that will stick.
I have a couple of Russian patients who still keep strong connections with relatives and friends in Russia.
They said to me that Putin has unprecedented support at this time.
Russian people are ready to go through the hardship of sanction and not look at the West as their future.
My patients afraid that it will be dangerous for them to go to Russia any time soon because they are Americans.
This is new reality.
Show the Russian population the truth, let someone take a poll besides the Regime in RussiaYou have said that before, but I know from personal experience, many Russians see all information and know the truth.
and I suspect numbers might be a tad bit different.
I expect younger generations do, Some know, some don't as far as how many who knows.Show the Russian population the truth, let someone take a poll besides the Regime in RussiaYou have said that before, but I know from personal experience, many Russians see all information and know the truth.
and I suspect numbers might be a tad bit different.
How much of that population is under thirty and educated? Of the industrialized world Russia is one country of the least educated the smallest percent of young population. Losing any Educated young people is a big lost for Russia. Putin is fighting the wrong war. The real threats to Russian security are internal not Europe. Putin is still living in the 1940 or something. He is not building Russia but rather destroying it.
What is your source for this?
I expect younger generations do, Some know, some don't as far as how many who knows.Show the Russian population the truth, let someone take a poll besides the Regime in RussiaYou have said that before, but I know from personal experience, many Russians see all information and know the truth.
and I suspect numbers might be a tad bit different.
In Russia its not like you could do an accurate poll. Regardless I think some will support Putin
regardless of what he does, Like this with most leaders in most countries.
Most normal people if they knew what was acutally happening in Ukraine
would not support what is happening.
Although I don't doubt that some Russians have left the country, I cannot believe the numbers stated...Sorry..
20K is nothing when you have a population of 147 million. 20K Russians probably
fell out of bed while F#cking in 2021. It's such a small number that it's statistically insignificant. They aren't going to pass a law for wearing helmets in bed.
Just like the percentage of Nazi's in Ukraine. 2.15% voted for Nazi's, such a small number that it's insignificant. This is probably equal to the percentage of New Zealanders
who bugger sheep
Note: To my Kiwi friends, it's just a ewe-phemism
How much of that population is under thirty and educated? Of the industrialized world Russia is one country of the least educated the smallest percent of young population. Losing any Educated young people is a big lost for Russia. Putin is fighting the wrong war. The real threats to Russian security are internal not Europe. Putin is still living in the 1940 or something. He is not building Russia but rather destroying it.
I don't know why, but Putin seems to HATE Mariupol.
Yes he is such a nazi hater he had this guy, a former GRU lieutenant colonel turned Wagner group leader.,invited to a Kremlin reception in 16 to honor him for performance in donbas .I don't know why, but Putin seems to HATE Mariupol.
I gather that's where Azov remain.
Ya but hes a good Nazi, ask Putin (:)Yes he is such a nazi hater he had this guy, a former GRU lieutenant colonel turned Wagner group leader.,invited to a Kremlin reception in 16 to honor him for performance in donbas .I don't know why, but Putin seems to HATE Mariupol.
I gather that's where Azov remain.
Don't fret, the SS tattoos only symbolize his desire to Save baby Seals.
What is your source for this?
What is your source for this?
Comedy Central? Russians are very educated as a country.
Bill, they're not embedded in the government, army and security services in other countries or dictating policy. That's the difference.
Define what you mean by Nazi's, politically what are their positions?
There are 19 different political parties in Ukraine with at least
one member in the Duma.
There are over 130 political parties in Ukraine, you'll find among those that have Nazis in them, like Svoboda, they don't all sing from the same sheet and have identical views.
Thus, it isn't a narrow definition. You know what a Nazi is in this context, Bill. You can look up Azov or Svoboda as easily as anyone here. You can term it neo-Naziism, ethnic ultranationalism or Banderism if you prefer. I suspect you are trying to push me down this rabbit hole of specifics in order to claim that Nazis are socialists and ergo, the radical far-right in Ukraine are not Nazis. That isn't really the case as the WAPO discusses here (https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/).
Here is something you can get your teeth into: The Presence of Neo-Nazis in Ukraine - Russia is using the presence of neo-Nazis in Ukraine as a pretext for war, but the West is sweeping it under the rug (https://www.fairobserver.com/region/europe/medea-benjamin-nicolas-js-davies-ukraine-war-russia-ukranian-neo-nazi-fascists-azov-battalion-89292/)
Why not keep it simple using the 'quacks like a duck' theory: If they use Nazi insignia, they're Nazis. That simplifies it somewhat.
I suspect you are trying to push me down this rabbit hole of specifics
in order to claim that Nazis are socialists and ergo, the radical far-right
in Ukraine are not Nazis.
Oh, no Manny, those are all fakes.
There are no Nazis in Ukraine. And any Nazis in Ukraine are good Nazis. And the good Nazis are OUR Nazis.
Just to help any challenged readers. While some Nazis in Ukraine might be trained and managed by elements of the greater west, the other statements in my post are most certainly untrue.
Oh, no Manny, those are all fakes.
There are no Nazis in Ukraine. And any Nazis in Ukraine are good Nazis. And the good Nazis are OUR Nazis.
Just to help any challenged readers. While some Nazis in Ukraine might be trained and managed by elements of the greater west, the other statements in my post are most certainly untrue.
So we are going to use the belief that the NAZIs in Ukraine is a reason to destroy the country. You can not see this is more immoral that any NAZI in Ukraine was thought of being. Now lets talk about the right wing extremist in Russia that president holds the president office that is trying to kill the cultural of the Ukraine and will likely end up killing ten of thousands many of women and children before it is all over then we are talking about the real NAZIs.
Bill, they're not embedded in the government, army and security services in other countries or dictating policy. That's the difference.
Define what you mean by Nazi's, politically what are their positions?
There are 19 different political parties in Ukraine with at least
one member in the Duma.
There are over 130 political parties in Ukraine, you'll find among those that have Nazis in them, like Svoboda, they don't all sing from the same sheet and have identical views.
Thus, it isn't a narrow definition. You know what a Nazi is in this context, Bill. You can look up Azov or Svoboda as easily as anyone here. You can term it neo-Naziism, ethnic ultranationalism or Banderism if you prefer. I suspect you are trying to push me down this rabbit hole of specifics in order to claim that Nazis are socialists and ergo, the radical far-right in Ukraine are not Nazis. That isn't really the case as the WAPO discusses here (https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/).
Here is something you can get your teeth into: The Presence of Neo-Nazis in Ukraine - Russia is using the presence of neo-Nazis in Ukraine as a pretext for war, but the West is sweeping it under the rug (https://www.fairobserver.com/region/europe/medea-benjamin-nicolas-js-davies-ukraine-war-russia-ukranian-neo-nazi-fascists-azov-battalion-89292/)
Why not keep it simple using the 'quacks like a duck' theory: If they use Nazi insignia, they're Nazis. That simplifies it somewhat.
2.15 % of Ukrainians voted for Nazi's, they have ZERO seats in the Duma. There
are far more Totalitarian Communists in Russia. They have 57 seats in their Duma.
Oh, no Manny, those are all fakes.
There are no Nazis in Ukraine. And any Nazis in Ukraine are good Nazis. And the good Nazis are OUR Nazis.
Just to help any challenged readers. While some Nazis in Ukraine might be trained and managed by elements of the greater west, the other statements in my post are most certainly untrue.
So we are going to use the belief that the NAZIs in Ukraine is a reason to destroy the country. You can not see this is more immoral that any NAZI in Ukraine was thought of being. Now lets talk about the right wing extremist in Russia that president holds the president office that is trying to kill the cultural of the Ukraine and will likely end up killing ten of thousands many of women and children before it is all over then we are talking about the real NAZIs.
did you watch the vidio I posted?
Oh, no Manny, those are all fakes.
There are no Nazis in Ukraine. And any Nazis in Ukraine are good Nazis. And the good Nazis are OUR Nazis.
Just to help any challenged readers. While some Nazis in Ukraine might be trained and managed by elements of the greater west, the other statements in my post are most certainly untrue.
So we are going to use the belief that the NAZIs in Ukraine is a reason to destroy the country. You can not see this is more immoral that any NAZI in Ukraine was thought of being. Now lets talk about the right wing extremist in Russia that president holds the president office that is trying to kill the cultural of the Ukraine and will likely end up killing ten of thousands many of women and children before it is all over then we are talking about the real NAZIs.
did you watch the vidio I posted?
Communists have tortured, starved and murdered far more than Fascists could even dream of.
Why don't you start researching the Holodomor and other Communist actions, including what they did to about 40 Million people in Russia proper alone.
Maybe after you do that you'll start putting things into perspective. Until then you're falling for one of the oldest propaganda tricks in the book.
Oh, no Manny, those are all fakes.
There are no Nazis in Ukraine. And any Nazis in Ukraine are good Nazis. And the good Nazis are OUR Nazis.
Just to help any challenged readers. While some Nazis in Ukraine might be trained and managed by elements of the greater west, the other statements in my post are most certainly untrue.
So we are going to use the belief that the NAZIs in Ukraine is a reason to destroy the country. You can not see this is more immoral that any NAZI in Ukraine was thought of being. Now lets talk about the right wing extremist in Russia that president holds the president office that is trying to kill the cultural of the Ukraine and will likely end up killing ten of thousands many of women and children before it is all over then we are talking about the real NAZIs.
did you watch the vidio I posted?
Communists have tortured, starved and murdered far more than Fascists could even dream of.
Why don't you start researching the Holodomor and other Communist actions, including what they did to about 40 Million people in Russia proper alone.
Maybe after you do that you'll start putting things into perspective. Until then you're falling for one of the oldest propaganda tricks in the book.
I'll take that as a no.
A graphic from someone with more time on his hands than me posted on Twitter.
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So the trying to distance themselves while pointing out Ukraines nazism is asinine as a justification.
So the trying to distance themselves while pointing out Ukraines nazism is asinine as a justification.
Although I don't think there is a big Nazi problem in Ukraine, there are a few Nazis and we have weaponized them. That alone is no reason for Russia to invade Ukraine but there are many other factors for the invasion. I'd like to believe Putin is a liar on all issues but that is not reality. The West made Russia many promises and the West did not keep it's promises starting with the promise that if Germany is allowed reunification, we would not expand NATO. Besides expanding, NATO began dropping bombs in the former Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan. NATO was created for defense but it's been on the offense ever since the German reunification. Putin is justifiably alarmed.
For me, the Ukrainian Nazis are not a big issue. I just wanted to remind people our government and media flip flops on facts and constantly lies about world events. We are living in dangerous times when they don't provide us facts which allows us to think for ourselves. If they did, most people would not want war, we would not want our governments to lie and go back on promises, even to Russia. If our government had integrity, I doubt there would be war in Ukraine. Based on our government's deceitful and provocative actions, we put Ukrainians in danger. We've lied to Russia and lied about Russia constantly blaming them for everything the last few years. Pointing fingers lying about Russia only made things worse. Is our government that stupid? No, they know exactly what they're doing so its what our government wanted. If I often falsely accuse you of doing wrong, you'd probably be hostile to me. If I don't want hostility, I better not falsely accuse anybody of doing wrong.
If I were living in the 60's, I would support Kennedy's blockade and eventual invasion of Cuba to remove threats to America. Fortunately for the Cuban people and the world, the USSR backed down and didn't escalate the situation. For the benefit of the Ukrainian people and the world, we need to back down. I'm all for Ukraine to be part of the free world but I'm seriously doubting our government truly cares about them. I believe we and Europe used them. Ukraine allowed itself to be used in hopes they would be accepted by the nations that's using them. This relationship isn't going to end well.
It is likely that a compromise would involve Kyiv making token concessions by banning certain groups or changing the names of streets named after Ukrainian partisans who fought alongside Nazi Germany against the USSR in the second world war...
It is likely that a compromise would involve Kyiv making token concessions by banning certain groups or changing the names of streets named after Ukrainian partisans who fought alongside Nazi Germany against the USSR in the second world war.
It is likely that a compromise would involve Kyiv making token concessions by banning certain groups or changing the names of streets named after Ukrainian partisans who fought alongside Nazi Germany against the USSR in the second world war.
I don't believe it. Russia has to keep all the captured land, Ukraine has to have it
back. If the is no mention of the land then there will be no agreements.
Quote from your link.
"Turkey says Russia and Ukraine “have almost reached agreement” on:
– a neutral Ukraine with no plans for Nato
– “demilitarising” Ukraine and security guarantees
– “denazification” (whatever that is)
– lifting restrictions on the use of Russian in Ukraine"
There are no restrictions on the use of Russian, alternate languages is
dealt with in the Ukrainian constitution. This is a fake dispute item just
like the fake deNazification of 2.15% of the population was a real thing.
Demilitarizing is never going to happen. That is the biggest joke of all,
Ukraine might as well agree to complete annexation and control by
Russia. It's only an armed Ukraine that prevents that from happening
today.
It is likely that a compromise would involve Kyiv making token concessions by banning certain groups or changing the names of streets named after Ukrainian partisans who fought alongside Nazi Germany against the USSR in the second world war.
I don't believe it. Russia has to keep all the captured land, Ukraine has to have it
back. If the is no mention of the land then there will be no agreements.
Quote from your link.
"Turkey says Russia and Ukraine “have almost reached agreement” on:
– a neutral Ukraine with no plans for Nato
– “demilitarising” Ukraine and security guarantees
– “denazification” (whatever that is)
– lifting restrictions on the use of Russian in Ukraine"
There are no restrictions on the use of Russian, alternate languages is
dealt with in the Ukrainian constitution. This is a fake dispute item just
like the fake deNazification of 2.15% of the population was a real thing.
Demilitarizing is never going to happen. That is the biggest joke of all,
Ukraine might as well agree to complete annexation and control by
Russia. It's only an armed Ukraine that prevents that from happening
today.
Ukraine legislated a language exception in the language law last January. Public & private businesses were to be conducted in Ukrainian language, with the exception of English and other EU languages. Violation of the law were to be fined. Russian language, spoken widely in Ukraine, wasn't included in their exception clause. What was the 'intent' for such a legislation?
Ukraine legislated a language exception in the language law last January. Public & private businesses were to be conducted in Ukrainian language, with the exception of English and other EU languages. Violation of the law were to be fined. Russian language, spoken widely in Ukraine, wasn't included in their exception clause. What was the 'intent' for such a legislation?
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/01/19/new-language-requirement-raises-concerns-ukraine
FTR: I'm neither a pro-Russian/Putin, nor am I pro-maidan. Just as with life for the most part, there always is something in between. I do not support the military special operation/Invasion. These are for others to ponder and argue upon.
What I am is an anti-US current political complicities and hegemony these recent years. That sentiment had largely been much more pronounced since the Clinton 'Balkan' initiatives to Obama years, to the Maidan, to the Yemen war, down US complicity in Ukraine.
As for the language issue, Texan77. I understand Ukraine's intent in establishing its right and identity- to an extent and with exception. Imagine if you will, a federal or even the State of Texas where you are, enacting a law where public and private matters requiring language communication can only be done in the English language, with the exception of Tagalog, Vietnamese, Portuguese, Italian, French and any other Asian language. Violation of such will be met with a fine.
Would you see anything wrong with this law?
In the event the gist of the matter was lost with you, no I will not see anything wrong with the way the language law exists where you are. It will however be wrong if it made a special exception for Mandarin, Portuguese…with the specific exclusion of its second largest language spoken, which is still Spanish.
There are many, many elements of Nazism. Which ones are present in the
Ukraine/Russia debate? Which ones are missing? Which ones offend Manny?
Which ones concern Putin?
There are many, many elements of Nazism. Which ones are present in the
Ukraine/Russia debate? Which ones are missing? Which ones offend Manny?
Which ones concern Putin?
I'd not have this charming Ukrainian chap over for dinner.
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There are many, many elements of Nazism. Which ones are present in the
Ukraine/Russia debate? Which ones are missing? Which ones offend Manny?
Which ones concern Putin?
I'd not have this charming Ukrainian chap over for dinner.
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There are many, many elements of Nazism. Which ones are present in the
Ukraine/Russia debate? Which ones are missing? Which ones offend Manny?
Which ones concern Putin?
I'd not have this charming Ukrainian chap over for dinner.
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There are many, many elements of Nazism. Which ones are present in the
Ukraine/Russia debate? Which ones are missing? Which ones offend Manny?
Which ones concern Putin?
I'd not have this charming Ukrainian chap over for dinner.
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How do you even know for sure he is Ukrainian, or the tats are real?
How do you even know for sure he is Ukrainian, or the tats are real?
Will a Kiev police officer do?
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How do you even know for sure he is Ukrainian, or the tats are real?
Will a Kiev police officer do?
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Seem to be images of the same individual. Problem not a single image proves he is a police officer or even in Ukraine.
We understand your view, Tex. Apparently, you think all those nazis in Ukraine are all fakes or photoshopped, Azov, C14 and Right Sector don't exist and everyone in the Ukrainian military and police are Sunday School teachers. Putin is a nazi though, it must be true coz it said so on MSN blah blah. :pointlaugh: yea
How do you even know for sure he is Ukrainian, or the tats are real?
Will a Kiev police officer do?
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How do you even know for sure he is Ukrainian, or the tats are real?
Will a Kiev police officer do?
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This sort of person appears a tough guy right up until he is strapped down to the table to have those tats seared off with an electric knife. It's great for cutting rope too... it cleanly whips both ends at once.
Having been burnt more than once with both an electric knife and a butane one, it is not pleasant. If you get the rope snot on your skin your English will not be proper.
We understand your view, Tex. Apparently, you think all those nazis in Ukraine are all fakes or photoshopped, Azov, C14 and Right Sector don't exist and everyone in the Ukrainian military and police are Sunday School teachers. Putin is a nazi though, it must be true coz it said so on MSN blah blah. :pointlaugh:
Because someone in Ukraine might be a NAZI
Oh, you’re admitting the possibility of one are you? :pointlaugh:
Oh, you’re admitting the possibility of one are you? :pointlaugh:
Ukraine has a population of over 44 million people. They have Angels, @ssholes
and everything in between just like everybody else.
However, if 2.15% of Ukrainians like Nazi's enough to vote for them on a secret
ballot, where they could exercise their true beliefs and desires then they should
get a medal. That's a low number, compared to Europe in general Russia included.
The denazification of Ukraine is a joke.
Even Putin has stopped talking about Neo Nazi's (but you are still going strong).
You don't have a rebuttal to the 2.15% historical fact.
WIZ most people will not be able to read this site unless they use VPN, I had to use the Finland hub to read it. That is the USA version of Freedom of SpeachOh, you’re admitting the possibility of one are you? :pointlaugh:
Ukraine has a population of over 44 million people. They have Angels, @ssholes
and everything in between just like everybody else.
However, if 2.15% of Ukrainians like Nazi's enough to vote for them on a secret
ballot, where they could exercise their true beliefs and desires then they should
get a medal. That's a low number, compared to Europe in general Russia included.
The denazification of Ukraine is a joke.
Even Putin has stopped talking about Neo Nazi's (but you are still going strong).
You don't have a rebuttal to the 2.15% historical fact.
Hello Sex tourist...... (Only teasing you) :laugh:
Haven you not read yet, The speech of the Colonel General Sergei Rudskoy (https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operation/news/more.htm?id=12414735@egNews)
I am sure you will learn a lot of things, as all of us who read it! :thumbsup:
Oh, you’re admitting the possibility of one are you? :pointlaugh:
Ukraine has a population of over 44 million people. They have Angels, @ssholes
and everything in between just like everybody else.
However, if 2.15% of Ukrainians like Nazi's enough to vote for them on a secret
ballot, where they could exercise their true beliefs and desires then they should
get a medal. That's a low number, compared to Europe in general Russia included.
The denazification of Ukraine is a joke.
Even Putin has stopped talking about Neo Nazi's (but you are still going strong).
You don't have a rebuttal to the 2.15% historical fact.
However, if 2.15% of Ukrainians like Nazi's enough to vote for them on a secret
ballot, where they could exercise their true beliefs and desires then they should
get a medal.
Yes , but this is the core of it for you isn't it.
A) its waaaay more than 2.15 %
Is Ukraine perfect no, nor is Poland, Slovakia or any of the former Warsaw ~ Soviet satellite states. But the Russian general population is going to wake and say, excuse me what have we missed. This is what Putin fears the most, democracy. Ukraine has since 1991 carved its own identity. Russia returns to its Soviet ghosts and the leaders are content with this.
Is Ukraine perfect no, but I suspect better than that of Russia.
You're suggesting, with this question, that Rada elections are legitimate and therefore would directly reflect their constituency. OK, sure. (:)
Yes , but this is the core of it for you isn't it.
A) its waaaay more than 2.15 %
Why would they not vote that way, if that was what they wanted?
The commies want communism so they vote that way. The Green tree humpers
vote that way, the probusiness people vote that way. However, according to you,
the freakin Nazi's vote for somebody else because that's how they roll. Total BS
Once more the challenge and problem that V. Putin has is not Nazis or NATO or the LPR/DPR but the contrast between the Democracy of Ukraine and Kleptocracy of Russia. Ukrainians should be free to choose a Western facing future without Hulio dictating how to kowtow to the Kremlin.
Is Ukraine perfect no, nor is Poland, Slovakia or any of the former Warsaw ~ Soviet satellite states. But the Russian general population is going to wake and say, excuse me what have we missed. This is what Putin fears the most, democracy. Ukraine has since 1991 carved its own identity. Russia returns to its Soviet ghosts and the leaders are content with this.
Is Ukraine perfect no, but I suspect better than that of Russia.
Before this war in Ukraine started Putin made demands to not have the war. He wanted Nato out of every old USSR country including Poland. In one of these posts on this site I read Russia is claiming that there are 35 countries ready to send troops to help Russian in Ukraine. There are 30 NATO countries who would attack if one of these countries is attacked. There is a risk of this being the beginning of WW3. A Russian official may have said it correctly. There are six countries that need denazification, and they all happen to be former USSR states. This is getting back to what Putin said before the war started. So, denazification may not really have anything to do with what we call NAZIs but rather Russia's way of saying these are pro-western governments Putin wants to replace. By calling them NAZI it justifies Russia's actions. There is no reason to believe this will be only Ukraine.I confirm that making as many refugees as possible was part of the RF plan. That's why they let opened the railways and bridges, which is military non sense.
What Russia seems to be doing is now trying to make as many refugees as possible. Since the local Ukraine population is not supportive of Russia, he is happy if they are just gone. Tonight, I have read that 4.3 million people have left Ukraine and the number could reach over ten million. That would basically gut the country of most of its middle-class families. Denazification seems to have two meaning in the context of this war. One change out the government to something friendly to Russia and to get rid of the population that is unfriendly to Russia. Anything unfriendly to Russia is considered to be NAZI. It is only when you think of the word in these terms does it have any real meaning.
Now Russia uses the terms of liberating people when in reality it is destroying their homes and lives. This is all part of Russia doing the real ethnic cleansing and the people leaving Ukraine is a part of it.
Is Ukraine perfect no, nor is Poland, Slovakia or any of the former Warsaw ~ Soviet satellite states. But the Russian general population is going to wake and say, excuse me what have we missed. This is what Putin fears the most, democracy. Ukraine has since 1991 carved its own identity. Russia returns to its Soviet ghosts and the leaders are content with this.
Is Ukraine perfect no, but I suspect better than that of Russia.
This post hits the nail on the head. Only the Russian people can stop Putin. The elephant in the room is whether or not they have the courage to confront Putin, as Ukraine has.
There is a good documentary series on curiositystream.com "KGB the Sword & the Shield", the puts things into perspective.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10153514/
Is Ukraine perfect no, nor is Poland, Slovakia or any of the former Warsaw ~ Soviet satellite states. But the Russian general population is going to wake and say, excuse me what have we missed. This is what Putin fears the most, democracy. Ukraine has since 1991 carved its own identity. Russia returns to its Soviet ghosts and the leaders are content with this.
Is Ukraine perfect no, but I suspect better than that of Russia.
This post hits the nail on the head. Only the Russian people can stop Putin. The elephant in the room is whether or not they have the courage to confront Putin, as Ukraine has.
There is a good documentary series on curiositystream.com "KGB the Sword & the Shield", the puts things into perspective.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10153514/
Never gonna happen.
Look what happened in Belarus. It never made the slightest bit of difference and the people came out of it worse off.
Is Ukraine perfect no, nor is Poland, Slovakia or any of the former Warsaw ~ Soviet satellite states. But the Russian general population is going to wake and say, excuse me what have we missed. This is what Putin fears the most, democracy. Ukraine has since 1991 carved its own identity. Russia returns to its Soviet ghosts and the leaders are content with this.
Is Ukraine perfect no, but I suspect better than that of Russia.
This post hits the nail on the head. Only the Russian people can stop Putin. The elephant in the room is whether or not they have the courage to confront Putin, as Ukraine has.
There is a good documentary series on curiositystream.com "KGB the Sword & the Shield", the puts things into perspective.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10153514/
Never gonna happen.
Look what happened in Belarus. It never made the slightest bit of difference and the people came out of it worse off.
For some sheeple this is true, but look at the people of Poland or say The Czech Republic.
This post hits the nail on the head. Only the Russian people can stop Putin. The elephant in the room is whether or not they have the courage to confront Putin, as Ukraine has.
Is Ukraine perfect no, nor is Poland, Slovakia or any of the former Warsaw ~ Soviet satellite states. But the Russian general population is going to wake and say, excuse me what have we missed. This is what Putin fears the most, democracy. Ukraine has since 1991 carved its own identity. Russia returns to its Soviet ghosts and the leaders are content with this.
Is Ukraine perfect no, but I suspect better than that of Russia.
This post hits the nail on the head. Only the Russian people can stop Putin. The elephant in the room is whether or not they have the courage to confront Putin, as Ukraine has.
There is a good documentary series on curiositystream.com "KGB the Sword & the Shield", the puts things into perspective.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10153514/
Something I keep reading here and elsewhere is, "Oh but there cant be Nazis in Ukraine because the president is Jewish".You are perfectly right, but that is not what it is said.
That's like saying there couldn't be any racists in the US when Obama was president.
Something I keep reading here and elsewhere is, "Oh but there cant be Nazis in Ukraine because the president is Jewish".You are perfectly right, but that is not what it is said.
That's like saying there couldn't be any racists in the US when Obama was president.
It is said that we have never seen a regime, an organized state that controls a whole territory for years, full of nazis
in the utmost hierarchy, with a Jew topping all of them.
Something I keep reading here and elsewhere is, "Oh but there cant be Nazis in Ukraine because the president is Jewish".
That's like saying there couldn't be any racists in the US when Obama was president.
Biden and Zelensky could end this war tomorrow. They could easily work out a compromise where everyone saves face, Ukraine remains a neutral, sovereign country (for the most part) and no more people die.
They won't because manufacturing war is profitable, the war machine needs to be fed and the oligarchs/Corporations whom are invested in Ukraine want their ROI.
And please, stop with the "democracy' BS already. There's no more democracy where you all live than here in Russia. Don't take my word for it, ask any expat who has ever lived here.
Only the Russian people can stop Putin.
Olga Reznikova, a Ukrainian refugee is giving a short history of the AZOV battalion, what they are and how the Ukrainians feel about them.
a little long at 12 minutes and she is clear that this is her opinion
Something I keep reading here and elsewhere is, "Oh but there cant be Nazis in Ukraine because the president is Jewish".You are perfectly right, but that is not what it is said.
That's like saying there couldn't be any racists in the US when Obama was president.
It is said that we have never seen a regime, an organized state that controls a whole territory for years, full of nazis
in the utmost hierarchy, with a Jew topping all of them.
Olga Reznikova, a Ukrainian refugee is giving a short history of the AZOV battalion, what they are and how the Ukrainians feel about them.
a little long at 12 minutes and she is clear that this is her opinion
Nobody in Ukraine has a problem with Azov battalionAnd thats exactly the scary part Tex. Anyone of sound mind should be scared of Azov and condemn them.
This amendment that I propose this evening limits arms, training, and
other assistance to the neo-Nazi Ukrainian militia, the Azov Battalion.
Foreign Policy magazine has characterized the 1,000-man Azov
Battalion as ``openly neo-Nazi'' and ``fascist.'' Numerous other news
organizations, including The New York Times, The Guardian, and the
Associated Press have corroborated the dominance of White supremacist
and anti-Semitic views within the group; yet Ukraine's Interior
Minister recently announced the Azov Battalion will be among the units
to receive training and arms from Western allies, including the United
States.
Azov's founder, Andriy Biletsky, organized the neo-Nazi group the
Social-National Assembly in 2008. Azov men use neo-Nazi symbolism on
their banner.
Biden and Zelensky could end this war tomorrow. They could easily work out a compromise where everyone saves face, Ukraine remains a neutral, sovereign country (for the most part) and no more people die.
They won't because manufacturing war is profitable, the war machine needs to be fed and the oligarchs/Corporations whom are invested in Ukraine want their ROI.
And please, stop with the "democracy' BS already. There's no more democracy where you all live than here in Russia. Don't take my word for it, ask any expat who has ever lived here.
the war would be ended sooner if Putin were to order all military forces out of Ukraine. try not to minimize the responsibility of all participants!
I wonder what you might be saying if the reverse were true...a great compromise would be 'return Vladivostok and Primorye to China'. there are now more persons of Chinese descent living there than Russians
I have been quoting to many "war is good business and business is good". everybody, but the Ukrainians, want this war...from Biden (puppet), Putin (puppeteer) and Xi (gleeful audience and perhaps puppeteer) and where does the EU fit into this, more victims?
uh, actually, the USA is a republic. this is important.
No it doesn't.
Stepan Bandara was a Jew,
Did you know that the USA gov't has a problem with Azov?
Title: An amendment to prohibit use of funds to provide arms, training, or other assistance to the Azov Battalion.
https://www.congress.gov/amendment/114th-congress/house-amendment/492
Full text:
https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record/2015/06/10/house-section/article/H4117-2Quote
This amendment that I propose this evening limits arms, training, and
other assistance to the neo-Nazi Ukrainian militia, the Azov Battalion.
Foreign Policy magazine has characterized the 1,000-man Azov
Battalion as ``openly neo-Nazi'' and ``fascist.'' Numerous other news
organizations, including The New York Times, The Guardian, and the
Associated Press have corroborated the dominance of White supremacist
and anti-Semitic views within the group; yet Ukraine's Interior
Minister recently announced the Azov Battalion will be among the units
to receive training and arms from Western allies, including the United
States.
Azov's founder, Andriy Biletsky, organized the neo-Nazi group the
Social-National Assembly in 2008. Azov men use neo-Nazi symbolism on
their banner.
I could not say if the AZOV battalion is nazi or not,
who to believe? perhaps a more trusted source???
I also think it’s been good for Zelenskiy too. As an actor, he’s got so much time center stage, I bet his agent will be soliciting offers as we speak.
In my opinion, he could have negotiated a cease fire weeks ago, had it suited him.
https://thesaker.is/just-a-handful-not-relevant-yet/
Here's the reality. Anyone who denies the presence of strong Nazi tendencies in Ukraine or that they are not at the least tacitly tolerated is being either purposefully ignorant or dishonest.
The reality is that those tendencies and sympathy for them spread much further than Ukraine.
Now AZOV battalion is only 1000 men. They would not exist except for Russia invasions. This invasion is not justified because of so called Nazis. All countries that Russia does not like are called Nazis at different times. This dude Marje claims still supports the Azov battalion is only work a 100 million. Though it is a lot of money for an induvial it does not buy much of an army in today's world and I am sure he did not give it all away. This is just an excuse to invade Ukraine. No one here has made any claims that would show the Nazis in Ukraine have done .01 percent of damage and death the Russian army has done. There are Nazi in every country including yours no matter which one it is. So maybe Russia should invade your home country. I do Photoshop work. Flags can be added to any picture. It is not prof of anything.
Now AZOV battalion is only 1000 men. They would not exist except for Russia invasions. This invasion is not justified because of so called Nazis. All countries that Russia does not like are called Nazis at different times. This dude Marje claims still supports the Azov battalion is only work a 100 million. Though it is a lot of money for an induvial it does not buy much of an army in today's world and I am sure he did not give it all away. This is just an excuse to invade Ukraine. No one here has made any claims that would show the Nazis in Ukraine have done .01 percent of damage and death the Russian army has done. There are Nazi in every country including yours no matter which one it is. So maybe Russia should invade your home country. I do Photoshop work. Flags can be added to any picture. It is not prof of anything.
Ah so now AZOV are indeed neo-nazi but they are only 1000 men. We're making progress. Someone else can debunk those theories I've had enough of this nonsense. They exist, fact. They are neonazi's , fact. They themselves call themselves neonazi's , fact. Those are not in denial.
So how dangerous are 1000 men with their own high-powered rifles, army-stuff and barracks compared to ordinary men. As I see Dutch police wipe away violent protests with much less (only handguns), I'd say they are definately not ok with 1000 neonazi's on their doorstep.
instead of talking about ducks, posting group photos or photos of tattoos...
what is this?
youtube will not let me see it. Perhaps you should tell me what it is.
Russian military shooting prisoner of war.
Russian military shooting prisoner of war.
instead of talking about ducks, posting group photos or photos of tattoos...
what is this?
youtube will not let me see it. Perhaps you should tell me what it is.
Russian military shooting prisoner of war.
There's also footage on Twitter and everywhere else of a Ukrainian soldier using a dead Russian soldier's phone to video call his family and gloat showing them his body.
Another one is a woman in a basement where they cut her hands off and carved the swastika on her dead body, or painted it on in her blood, one or the other.
There's a lot of very grim stuff perpetrated by Nazis in Ukraine circulating and some of it is even making its way into western media.
My wife has a copy of this video. The soldiers that have been shot in the legs and beaten are russian soldiers. the Ukrainians that have perpetrated this crime have already been identified. Would you like me to send their pictures to you?
Oh, they are speaking Russian but with heavy Ukraine accents.
We have several other videos of Ukrainians (azov) killing/stabing/shooting Russian POWs
You’ve lost the plot Tex.
The BBC have run an article under their reality check section, where they attempt to proof check numerous claims made throughout the war. In this link you’ll read what the experts say regarding the shootings of POW’s.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60907259
Every single thing points towards it being absolutely true, much to the annoyance of the BBC who continually try and leave a gap of uncertainty, even though the facts they find, point to war crimes by Ukrainian soldiers.
You’ve lost the plot Tex.
The BBC have run an article under their reality check section, where they attempt to proof check numerous claims made throughout the war. In this link you’ll read what the experts say regarding the shootings of POW’s.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60907259
Every single thing points towards it being absolutely true, much to the annoyance of the BBC who continually try and leave a gap of uncertainty, even though the facts they find, point to war crimes by Ukrainian soldiers.
Actually he's right on the money. This sort of thing is classic for a former KGB officer and the former Soviet routinely blamed things which they did on their enemies. The most obvious was the murder of 23,000 Polish officers in the Katyn Massacre which they attempted to blame on the Germans. They did not admit the truth until 1990. Then there were the brutal murders of about 10,000 civilians in Vinnitsya by the NKVD who the Soviets attempted to blame on the Germans. There were an additional approximate 30,000 quickly murdered mostly in West Ukraine as the Germans were advancing.
And more recently were the apartment bombings blamed on Chechens by a much younger Putin. There was obvious FSB involvement in that.
https://www.hudson.org/research/12750-vladimir-putin-1999-russian-apartment-house-bombings-was-putin-responsible
Look how quickly the video was shared on TV in China, India and Russia to try to smear the Ukrainians.
If Ukrainian soldiers did do it, you can be sure they will be held to account. As opposed to receiving a medal in private back in Russia for those who participated in this "operation"; no matter how heinous their methods were.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre
You’ve lost the plot Tex.
The BBC have run an article under their reality check section, where they attempt to proof check numerous claims made throughout the war. In this link you’ll read what the experts say regarding the shootings of POW’s.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60907259
Every single thing points towards it being absolutely true, much to the annoyance of the BBC who continually try and leave a gap of uncertainty, even though the facts they find, point to war crimes by Ukrainian soldiers.
Actually he's right on the money. This sort of thing is classic for a former KGB officer and the former Soviet routinely blamed things which they did on their enemies. The most obvious was the murder of 23,000 Polish officers in the Katyn Massacre which they attempted to blame on the Germans. They did not admit the truth until 1990. Then there were the brutal murders of about 10,000 civilians in Vinnitsya by the NKVD who the Soviets attempted to blame on the Germans. There were an additional approximate 30,000 quickly murdered mostly in West Ukraine as the Germans were advancing.
And more recently were the apartment bombings blamed on Chechens by a much younger Putin. There was obvious FSB involvement in that.
https://www.hudson.org/research/12750-vladimir-putin-1999-russian-apartment-house-bombings-was-putin-responsible
Look how quickly the video was shared on TV in China, India and Russia to try to smear the Ukrainians.
If Ukrainian soldiers did do it, you can be sure they will be held to account. As opposed to receiving a medal in private back in Russia for those who participated in this "operation"; no matter how heinous their methods were.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre
I’m not suggesting that staged stuff similar to this doesn’t go into production.
I’m saying that all the available evidence points towards Russian POW abuse and/or war crimes. The Geneva conventions pretty clear on that and you’d imagine Ukraine would be trying to play with the western rule book to keep favour
Tex on the other hand watches it, automatically sees the opposite and then having been cornered, suggests it’s staged as propaganda. If anyone read the truth watch link I posted from the BBC, it’s pretty damning.
Some folks on this forum refuse to accept reality because their Ukrainian alignment is so extreme. Accepting that the above in all probability actually happened, doesn’t make you less pro Ukrainian with your support.
Instead it’s child like emotional behaviour.
More allegedly nonexistent Nazis.
https://twitter.com/a__alimov/status/1508733926046642177?s=21&t=Ire8IGZNqH5RBqbCBND12g
People have mixed views about Bellingcat, but this seems quite well researched:
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2019/11/11/ukraines-ministry-of-veterans-affairs-embraced-the-far-right-with-consequences-to-the-u-s/
You’ve lost the plot Tex.
The BBC have run an article under their reality check section, where they attempt to proof check numerous claims made throughout the war. In this link you’ll read what the experts say regarding the shootings of POW’s.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60907259
Every single thing points towards it being absolutely true, much to the annoyance of the BBC who continually try and leave a gap of uncertainty, even though the facts they find, point to war crimes by Ukrainian soldiers.
Actually he's right on the money. This sort of thing is classic for a former KGB officer and the former Soviet routinely blamed things which they did on their enemies. The most obvious was the murder of 23,000 Polish officers in the Katyn Massacre which they attempted to blame on the Germans. They did not admit the truth until 1990. Then there were the brutal murders of about 10,000 civilians in Vinnitsya by the NKVD who the Soviets attempted to blame on the Germans. There were an additional approximate 30,000 quickly murdered mostly in West Ukraine as the Germans were advancing.
And more recently were the apartment bombings blamed on Chechens by a much younger Putin. There was obvious FSB involvement in that.
https://www.hudson.org/research/12750-vladimir-putin-1999-russian-apartment-house-bombings-was-putin-responsible
Look how quickly the video was shared on TV in China, India and Russia to try to smear the Ukrainians.
If Ukrainian soldiers did do it, you can be sure they will be held to account. As opposed to receiving a medal in private back in Russia for those who participated in this "operation"; no matter how heinous their methods were.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre
I’m not suggesting that staged stuff similar to this doesn’t go into production.
I’m saying that all the available evidence points towards Russian POW abuse and/or war crimes. The Geneva conventions pretty clear on that and you’d imagine Ukraine would be trying to play with the western rule book to keep favour
Tex on the other hand watches it, automatically sees the opposite and then having been cornered, suggests it’s staged as propaganda. If anyone read the truth watch link I posted from the BBC, it’s pretty damning.
Some folks on this forum refuse to accept reality because their Ukrainian alignment is so extreme. Accepting that the above in all probability actually happened, doesn’t make you less pro Ukrainian with your support.
Instead it’s child like emotional behaviour.
I respect your opinion however in my case I reject your statement that my response is "childlike emotional behavior".
Tex can answer back to you if he wishes. I believe that video was planned in advance to scare Russian soldiers into fighting harder.
Because Putin does not care about some guys getting injured he had Ukrainian speaking FSB guys shoot them for real and filmed the whole thing for quick release.
In fact the Russians always had NKVD who would shoot deserters during WWII. The ones in the front knew that the political ones behind them during WWII had no problem murdering them on the spot if the tried to retreated. So they were forced ahead in large numbers, mowed down and then just left there. Where as the Germans in the Wehrmacht, who were NOT Nazi's but were professional soldiers, had officers who would often allow or order retreats, in order to live and fight another day. Even now today the Russians are leaving their dead all over Ukraine as they still have the mindset that the lives of their soldiers don't really matter.
IF Ukrainians did it, it was brutal and definitely wrong and they should be prosecuted.
It's fascinating to me though that you never seem to wish to admit that Putin himself is responsible for the bloodshed, he invaded a sovereign country which has a right to live in peace. Not once but three times now. First Crimea, then parts of Donbas and now the whole country.
In the video both sides are soldiers yet you ignore all the civilians deliberately murdered in cold blood.
5,000 and counting in Mariopel including over 200 children are dead by deliberate bombing of civilian targets. Over 100,000 civilians still trapped with no food, water or medicine. Have you ever really thought how that would feel? Have you ever really thought how angry you would be if another larger country did this to your family?
Lots of arrogance and indifference to human lives and suffering coming from the pro-Putin group. Lots of deflection and eagerness to believe propaganda.
Given what Bellingcat is and to whom they report, one wonders who commissioned and paid for that report?
Why would British intelligence and by extension the UK government choose to bring this stuff to the notice of the UK public?
This tells us that something is going on in the halls of power.
More allegedly nonexistent Nazis.
https://twitter.com/a__alimov/status/1508733926046642177?s=21&t=Ire8IGZNqH5RBqbCBND12g
People have mixed views about Bellingcat, but this seems quite well researched:
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2019/11/11/ukraines-ministry-of-veterans-affairs-embraced-the-far-right-with-consequences-to-the-u-s/
You are desperate. You cannot see clearly.
Only one man created the situation and that's your hero, the dictator Putin who has destroyed the peace which Europe had since the end of WWII.
Just take a look at a once very beautiful city leveled to rubbish in indiscriminate bombing by your cowardly hero.
Maybe they're preparing to throw Zelensky under the bus?
Just take a look at a once very beautiful city leveled to rubbish in indiscriminate bombing by your cowardly hero.
There is no "indiscriminate" bombing. You think that because you think Yahoo is news. That's where the Azov you support and/or deny are. They're digging in. There will be little left of that city probably.
You’ve lost the plot Tex.
The BBC have run an article under their reality check section, where they attempt to proof check numerous claims made throughout the war. In this link you’ll read what the experts say regarding the shootings of POW’s.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60907259
Every single thing points towards it being absolutely true, much to the annoyance of the BBC who continually try and leave a gap of uncertainty, even though the facts they find, point to war crimes by Ukrainian soldiers.
Actually he's right on the money. This sort of thing is classic for a former KGB officer and the former Soviet routinely blamed things which they did on their enemies. The most obvious was the murder of 23,000 Polish officers in the Katyn Massacre which they attempted to blame on the Germans. They did not admit the truth until 1990. Then there were the brutal murders of about 10,000 civilians in Vinnitsya by the NKVD who the Soviets attempted to blame on the Germans. There were an additional approximate 30,000 quickly murdered mostly in West Ukraine as the Germans were advancing.
And more recently were the apartment bombings blamed on Chechens by a much younger Putin. There was obvious FSB involvement in that.
https://www.hudson.org/research/12750-vladimir-putin-1999-russian-apartment-house-bombings-was-putin-responsible
Look how quickly the video was shared on TV in China, India and Russia to try to smear the Ukrainians.
If Ukrainian soldiers did do it, you can be sure they will be held to account. As opposed to receiving a medal in private back in Russia for those who participated in this "operation"; no matter how heinous their methods were.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre
I’m not suggesting that staged stuff similar to this doesn’t go into production.
I’m saying that all the available evidence points towards Russian POW abuse and/or war crimes. The Geneva conventions pretty clear on that and you’d imagine Ukraine would be trying to play with the western rule book to keep favour
Tex on the other hand watches it, automatically sees the opposite and then having been cornered, suggests it’s staged as propaganda. If anyone read the truth watch link I posted from the BBC, it’s pretty damning.
Some folks on this forum refuse to accept reality because their Ukrainian alignment is so extreme. Accepting that the above in all probability actually happened, doesn’t make you less pro Ukrainian with your support.
Instead it’s child like emotional behaviour.
I respect your opinion however in my case I reject your statement that my response is "childlike emotional behavior".
Tex can answer back to you if he wishes. I believe that video was planned in advance to scare Russian soldiers into fighting harder.
Because Putin does not care about some guys getting injured he had Ukrainian speaking FSB guys shoot them for real and filmed the whole thing for quick release.
In fact the Russians always had NKVD who would shoot deserters during WWII. The ones in the front knew that the political ones behind them during WWII had no problem murdering them on the spot if the tried to retreated. So they were forced ahead in large numbers, mowed down and then just left there. Where as the Germans in the Wehrmacht, who were NOT Nazi's but were professional soldiers, had officers who would often allow or order retreats, in order to live and fight another day. Even now today the Russians are leaving their dead all over Ukraine as they still have the mindset that the lives of their soldiers don't really matter.
IF Ukrainians did it, it was brutal and definitely wrong and they should be prosecuted.
It's fascinating to me though that you never seem to wish to admit that Putin himself is responsible for the bloodshed, he invaded a sovereign country which has a right to live in peace. Not once but three times now. First Crimea, then parts of Donbas and now the whole country.
In the video both sides are soldiers yet you ignore all the civilians deliberately murdered in cold blood.
5,000 and counting in Mariopel including over 200 children are dead by deliberate bombing of civilian targets. Over 100,000 civilians still trapped with no food, water or medicine. Have you ever really thought how that would feel? Have you ever really thought how angry you would be if another larger country did this to your family?
Lots of arrogance and indifference to human lives and suffering coming from the pro-Putin group. Lots of deflection and eagerness to believe propaganda.
To be clear, my comment regarding child like emotional behaviour, was reference to Tex and a couple of others who continue to have emotional outbursts and refuse to accept facts, even when its presented via pretty accurate sources. An adult would digest and then say yea, I'm pro Ukraine but that's not right either.
I think I've also been pretty vocal when it comes to condemning the war and the huge loss of infrastructure and life, which has become the cause and effect. For your benefit I'll say it again, my heart goes out to everyone caught in the middle of the atrocities that have and are happening. I have some friends who have fled Ukraine and are in bits with the current state of their country. Having seen this never mind what the media shows us, it's impossible to support the conflict given its the innocent people who suffer.
I also said two things that are mutually exclusive. First of all I don't support the conflict or the Russian aggression. This should have been sorted out between the men at the top, over an expensive table. Secondly, I understand why we ended up with this conflict happening. This isn't simply Putin being an arsehole and anyone who believes that, is again in denial of reality.
When I see photo's of dead Ukrainians or destroyed houses, schools and hospitals, I don't automatically claim it to be propaganda or deny its existence. However, I do question the media's role in how its being reported.
Hopefully that makes sense.....
More allegedly nonexistent Nazis.
https://twitter.com/a__alimov/status/1508733926046642177?s=21&t=Ire8IGZNqH5RBqbCBND12g
People have mixed views about Bellingcat, but this seems quite well researched:
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2019/11/11/ukraines-ministry-of-veterans-affairs-embraced-the-far-right-with-consequences-to-the-u-s/
You are desperate. You cannot see clearly.
Only one man created the situation and that's your hero, the dictator Putin who has destroyed the peace which Europe had since the end of WWII.
Of course. No Nazis. No sir. Nothing to see there. :whist11:Just take a look at a once very beautiful city leveled to rubbish in indiscriminate bombing by your cowardly hero.
There is no "indiscriminate" bombing. You think that because you think Yahoo is news. That's where the Azov you support and/or deny are. They're digging in. There will be little left of that city probably.
I think I've also been pretty vocal when it comes to condemning the war and the huge loss of infrastructure and life, which has become the cause and effect. For your benefit I'll say it again, my heart goes out to everyone caught in the middle of the atrocities that have and are happening. I have some friends who have fled Ukraine and are in bits with the current state of their country. Having seen this never mind what the media shows us, it's impossible to support the conflict given its the innocent people who suffer.
I also said two things that are mutually exclusive. First of all I don't support the conflict or the Russian aggression. This should have been sorted out between the men at the top, over an expensive table. Secondly, I understand why we ended up with this conflict happening. This isn't simply Putin being an arsehole and anyone who believes that, is again in denial of reality.
When I see photo's of dead Ukrainians or destroyed houses, schools and hospitals, I don't automatically claim it to be propaganda or deny its existence. However, I do question the media's role in how its being reported.
Hopefully that makes sense.....
More allegedly nonexistent Nazis.
https://twitter.com/a__alimov/status/1508733926046642177?s=21&t=Ire8IGZNqH5RBqbCBND12g
People have mixed views about Bellingcat, but this seems quite well researched:
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2019/11/11/ukraines-ministry-of-veterans-affairs-embraced-the-far-right-with-consequences-to-the-u-s/
You are desperate. You cannot see clearly.
Only one man created the situation and that's your hero, the dictator Putin who has destroyed the peace which Europe had since the end of WWII.
Of course. No Nazis. No sir. Nothing to see there. :whist11:Just take a look at a once very beautiful city leveled to rubbish in indiscriminate bombing by your cowardly hero.
There is no "indiscriminate" bombing. You think that because you think Yahoo is news. That's where the Azov you support and/or deny are. They're digging in. There will be little left of that city probably.
You are completely delusional and you lack a moral compass. I support no warmongers and I support none like you who support warmongers. I have also repeatedly denounced Bush Jr. and others.
That bombing is not only indiscriminate it is deliberate. You're like a wind-up monkey repeating the talking points for your paymaster the Kremlin which is fueled by anger, hatred, resentment and pride.
Maybe they're preparing to throw Zelensky under the bus?
Zelensky isn't a player, he's a puppet. Fodder in the conflict for his masters and a mere piece on the chess board of this conflict. IMO, for those paying attention the invasion of Ukraine has never actually been about Ukraine but, just where the confrontation is being played out. NATO is the army of the UN and more specifically the Rothchilds central bank. Russia is one of the few countries without a Rothchilds central bank but by far the most powerful country without a Rothchilds central bank. NATO has been pressing Russia since at least 2005 to come to heel and accept their petrol American dollar. Putin has refused.
Since Putin's invasion of Ukraine, Russia's own Ruble is becoming gold backed and the currency for which to purchase Russian gas and oil of which Europe desperately needs. Think of what has happened to other heads of countries who have attempted to subvert the petrol dollar and trade in gold? Chavez, Khadaffi, Hussein.
IME Puttin is attacking the Rothchilds dollar. If Putin never trades with the West again it doesn't matter. He has China, India and Brazil ready to trade in gold and Europe lusting for Russia's resources. What I see is Putin having Europe and the Rothchilds Bank by the balls. To the point that their probably last response is to lob or threaten to lob a nuke Russia's way. It's about to get very interesting.
Zelensky is just a comic and an actor playing his part. His usefulness is likely about to expire
Another article worth a read:In March 2020, the English Wikipedia formally deprecated the use of The Grayzone as a source for facts in its articles, citing issues with the website's factual reliability
How Ukraine’s Jewish president Zelensky made peace with neo-Nazi paramilitaries on front lines of war with Russia (https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/04/nazis-ukrainian-war-russia/)
Another article worth a read:In March 2020, the English Wikipedia formally deprecated the use of The Grayzone as a source for facts in its articles, citing issues with the website's factual reliability
How Ukraine’s Jewish president Zelensky made peace with neo-Nazi paramilitaries on front lines of war with Russia (https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/04/nazis-ukrainian-war-russia/)
Usual writers: Max Blumenthal, and her spouse Anya Parampil worked for Russia Today. Also Ben Norton1 et Aaron Maté
From Wikipedia english version:
The Grayzone has been criticized for defending authoritarian regimes.[3][10][23] Bruce Bawer, writing in Commentary, described The Grayzone as "a one-stop propaganda shop, devoted largely to pushing a pro-Assad line on Syria, a pro-regime line on Venezuela, a pro-Putin line on Russia, and a pro-Hamas line on Israel and Palestine".[23] Nerma Jelacic, writing in the Index on Censorship, described The Grayzone as "a Kremlin-connected online outlet that pushes pro-Russian conspiracy theories and genocide denial."[28] The Grayzone had previously claimed Jelacic's employer collaborated with ISIS and Jabhat al-Nusra affiliates.[28] Socialist academic Gilbert Achcar asserts that The Grayzone is an example of "pro-Putin, pro-Assad 'left-wing' propaganda combined with gutter journalism."[29]
It has also been sharply criticized for its characterizations of the Xinjiang internment camps and other Chinese state abuses against Uyghurs.[3][10][30] James Bloodworth, writing in the New Statesman, commented: "n an echo of the way dictatorships publish the flattery of credulous foreign dupes in their state newspapers, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokespeople have approvingly tweeted articles from Blumenthal's online magazine The Grayzone which have sought to deny the persecution of China's Uighur population.
Here's an article from 2014. I don't agree with some of the opinions entwined within, but it's accurate in terms of the basic facts (apart from McFaul being a scholar):
Yes, There Are Bad Guys in the Ukrainian Government
It's time for a frank conversation about some of the unsavory characters in Kiev.
Children being "nazified" looks no different at all from Russian military summer camps. If the Russians are chauvinist and nationalistic that's all good. But if the Ukrainians are the least bit nationalist, they get condemned. Keep grasping at straws.
https://www.dw.com/en/russian-kids-play-war-in-military-summer-camps/a-44857423
https://time.com/4516808/inside-russias-military-training-schools-for-teens/
Military training schools in Russia do not Nazify the children, that is my point...
The video posted is from a training camp run by the Azov battalion...
Try a little lateral thinking, it will help you understand more what is posted by anyone..
Children being "nazified" looks no different at all from Russian military summer camps. If the Russians are chauvinist and nationalistic that's all good. But if the Ukrainians are the least bit nationalist, they get condemned. Keep grasping at straws.
https://www.dw.com/en/russian-kids-play-war-in-military-summer-camps/a-44857423
https://time.com/4516808/inside-russias-military-training-schools-for-teens/
Military training schools in Russia do not Nazify the children, that is my point...
The video posted is from a training camp run by the Azov battalion...
Try a little lateral thinking, it will help you understand more what is posted by anyone..
The one in st pete does.
Russian imperial moment and imperial guard.
You cared enough to find azov vids,if you care enough you can find
similar RIM vids.
Internet is the greatest self bias validation engine around.
You could find zelensky condemning galicia group in ukraine as well.
You can find pics of that glacia group in a parade in ukraine.
You could find Putin distancing himself from st Pete's RIM and RON.
Or you can find those neo nazis y the thousands flying flags in a Moscow parade.
:dh:
What you can't do is deny azov is neo nazi,and used by Ukraine.
anymore than you can deny the kremlin has honored and decorated various russian neo nazi leaders in donbass separatist movement as Russian national heros.
:whistle:
Yankee,
If you don't think Partizan camp exists, ok.
If you think.the swedish bombers convicted in sweden testimony that they were trained there is u invalid,and they were lying and only on tourist for months in st pete as their passports clearly showed,ok.
If you dont think the RIM,ruscish battalion, imperial.guard exists in st pete,ok.
If several world organizations
have stated RIM.as being the only neo nazi group to be ranked as international terrorist doesnt convince you ,ok
If countless articles across all forms of media, prior to this ,speaking thier influence in Europe across many neo nazi organizations there dont mean anything to you ,ok
If pictures of Wagner pmc groups founder ,a former ksb officer, at a kremlin reception to honor him in 16 for his performance in dinnasd .dont convince you of the russian affiliation ,then ok.
If the kremlin decorating neo nazi Zhoga means no hypocrisy exists,ok
I sincerely doubt anything anyone posts, be it links,vids ,etc of all.the above which is avaiable will convince you unless every vid ,link is somehow documented, verified by 486 sources you trust.
I can respect that.
But I'd have to ask you in fairness-
Do you think azov exists?
Their military training camp?
Did you get 486 verified proofs of such ?
or just a few links and vids?
To come to whatever your decision is in that existence.
Do you think before the media hoopla of this conflict the average European, russian, african,asian ,Australian or american heard of rim ?or azov ? or their training camps?
Maybe a blurb in the news for swedes when those bombings occured, or other blurbs.
Do you think st Pete's neo nazi imperial guard doesn't have a place to train?
I've already posted pictures of them in a Moscow parade.
Sorry ,this kind of one sided logic alludes me.
I easily admit azov exists and certainly had training camps.
To entertain the thought that the neo nazi segment ts in russian ,u.s ,or the nordic movement dont also have is just mind blowing.
Yes, there are bad guys in the Ukrainian government. But the cabal that controls Russia is worse. They are all former KGB agents. They had no issue suppressing dissent with brutality on Soviet times, and continue the tradition today by killing those who speak against them, or imprisoning them on trumped up charges reminiscent of Soviet show trials.:thumbsup:
The difference is that the average Ukrainian knows which politicians are on the take. The average Ukrainian will not submit to state coercion. The average Russian, OTOH, not only submits to state coercion, but praises it.
Yankee,+1
If you don't think Partizan camp exists, ok.
If you think.the swedish bombers convicted in sweden testimony that they were trained there is u invalid,and they were lying and only on tourist for months in st pete as their passports clearly showed,ok.
If you dont think the RIM,ruscish battalion, imperial.guard exists in st pete,ok.
If several world organizations
have stated RIM.as being the only neo nazi group to be ranked as international terrorist doesnt convince you ,ok
If countless articles across all forms of media, prior to this ,speaking thier influence in Europe across many neo nazi organizations there dont mean anything to you ,ok
If pictures of Wagner pmc groups founder ,a former ksb officer, at a kremlin reception to honor him in 16 for his performance in dinnasd .dont convince you of the russian affiliation ,then ok.
If the kremlin decorating neo nazi Zhoga means no hypocrisy exists,ok
I sincerely doubt anything anyone posts, be it links,vids ,etc of all.the above which is avaiable will convince you unless every vid ,link is somehow documented, verified by 486 sources you trust.
I can respect that.
But I'd have to ask you in fairness-
Do you think azov exists?
Their military training camp?
Did you get 486 verified proofs of such ?
or just a few links and vids?
To come to whatever your decision is in that existence.
Do you think before the media hoopla of this conflict the average European, russian, african,asian ,Australian or american heard of rim ?or azov ? or their training camps?
Maybe a blurb in the news for swedes when those bombings occured, or other blurbs.
Do you think st Pete's neo nazi imperial guard doesn't have a place to train?
I've already posted pictures of them in a Moscow parade.
Sorry ,this kind of one sided logic alludes me.
I easily admit azov exists and certainly had training camps.
To entertain the thought that the neo nazi segment ts in russian ,u.s ,or the nordic movement dont also have is just mind blowing.
AJ, I wasn't saying there were not these camps in Russia. I asked my wife to search the Russian sites and she found out there are some.
So, have a beer and relax.
I do not think the Private military camps are real. The Russians that I know have never heard of them. Can you provided some proof?
Quote
AJ, I wasn't saying there were not these camps in Russia. I asked my wife to search the Russian sites and she found out there are some.
So, have a beer and relax.
Ok, fair enough,but I was responding to you saying:QuoteI do not think the Private military camps are real. The Russians that I know have never heard of them. Can you provided some proof?
So that sure seed like you were saying those camps dont exist in russia ,and expecting proof
.
There is a pretty solid cintingentbhere that ignore the neo nazism.in russua,ignore putins decorated neo nazi leaders of those, amd ignore they not inly existed in the donbas seperatist movement, they WERE the Donbass seperatist movement.
The hypocracy keeps being ignored so yeah with a MIL.in direct danger it bothers me.
Yes, there are bad guys in the Ukrainian government. But the cabal that controls Russia is worse. They are all former KGB agents. They had no issue suppressing dissent with brutality on Soviet times, and continue the tradition today by killing those who speak against them, or imprisoning them on trumped up charges reminiscent of Soviet show trials.
The difference is that the average Ukrainian knows which politicians are on the take. The average Ukrainian will not submit to state coercion. The average Russian, OTOH, not only submits to state coercion, but praises it.
The brutality cuts both ways I'm sure. Wars and atrocities go hand and hand.Yes, there are bad guys in the Ukrainian government. But the cabal that controls Russia is worse. They are all former KGB agents. They had no issue suppressing dissent with brutality on Soviet times, and continue the tradition today by killing those who speak against them, or imprisoning them on trumped up charges reminiscent of Soviet show trials.
The difference is that the average Ukrainian knows which politicians are on the take. The average Ukrainian will not submit to state coercion. The average Russian, OTOH, not only submits to state coercion, but praises it.
That’s how it was in Bucha. I am guessing…
Enjoy, Halo, the brutality of average Ukrainian.
https://t.me/voenacher/14106
Yes, wars and brutality go hand in hand.
Incidentally, the Russian shot (a) was injured and likely dying; and (b) was shot be a Georgian fighting for Ukraine. I'm not dismissing this, if it occurred. The jury is still out. I am suspicious because, how would a video, which could only have been taken by Ukrainian forces, make its way into the public domain? That makes no sense to me.
However, first a combatant, who has placed children on his tank to escape Kyiv (confirmed by relatives), raped children (confirmed from several locations) and used civilians as target practice (confirmed in Germany intercepted Russian communications) is not the same as a civilian. Not surprised you would equate them, though.
Yes, wars and brutality go hand in hand.
Incidentally, the Russian shot (a) was injured and likely dying; and (b) was shot be a Georgian fighting for Ukraine. I'm not dismissing this, if it occurred. The jury is still out. I am suspicious because, how would a video, which could only have been taken by Ukrainian forces, make its way into the public domain? That makes no sense to me.
However, first a combatant, who has placed children on his tank to escape Kyiv (confirmed by relatives), raped children (confirmed from several locations) and used civilians as target practice (confirmed in Germany intercepted Russian communications) is not the same as a civilian. Not surprised you would equate them, though.
The execution of prisoners of war makes sense for you, but how the video of the execution became available to public does not make sense for you!
Just read what you wrote!!!
Yes, wars and brutality go hand in hand.
Incidentally, the Russian shot (a) was injured and likely dying; and (b) was shot be a Georgian fighting for Ukraine. I'm not dismissing this, if it occurred. The jury is still out. I am suspicious because, how would a video, which could only have been taken by Ukrainian forces, make its way into the public domain? That makes no sense to me.
However, first a combatant, who has placed children on his tank to escape Kyiv (confirmed by relatives), raped children (confirmed from several locations) and used civilians as target practice (confirmed in Germany intercepted Russian communications) is not the same as a civilian. Not surprised you would equate them, though.
The execution of prisoners of war makes sense for you, but how the video of the execution became available to public does not make sense for you!
Just read what you wrote!!!
Yes, read what you wrote, each and every day. Let's imagine for one moment that Ukraine was the aggressor, and somehow they managed to send 190,000 soldiers into Russia, to rape pillage and commit genocide against the Russian civilians, not only in the close cities but at least 10 to 15 cities and villagers. Husbands were killed in cold blood in front of their wives and then their wives were raped in front of a child.
And all the time Ukrainians were firing missiles and dropping bombs on cities and destroying them. What would the Russian soldiers do if they captured a Ukrainian soldier? They would probably torture them for a week before killing them.
IF that video is authentic, the Russian soldier is very lucky that he met a quick end, instead of the sadistic treatment he would get if he were Ukrainian and captured invading Ukraine.
None of these arguments would be happening in the first place IF a ruthless ill dictator did not order Russian soldiers to invade Ukraine and commit genoce against the population.
There is only one person responsible and that is Putin.
You say you found your country, you are happy here in the USA BUT you stab America in the back by supporting a ruthless, very ill delusional man stuck in the past who has made multiple veiled threats against the USA and other countries.
It is very convenient for you and other Putin supporters to support him from afar. You criticize me for being patriotic, yet I live on my own soil, I was born here and my ancestors came here nearly 300 years ago.
Why not go back to your own soil where you were born? Because you and many others here are the ultimate hypocrites. You support genocide and satanic behavior or bad people.
Ukrainians now hate Putin more than they ever could have before. As Timothy Snyder says, the only crime any Ukrainian has committed is being a human who happens to have been born in Ukraine. Many Russians have also left because they do not support a fascist/communist dictator.
Another article worth a read:In March 2020, the English Wikipedia formally deprecated the use of The Grayzone as a source for facts in its articles, citing issues with the website's factual reliability
How Ukraine’s Jewish president Zelensky made peace with neo-Nazi paramilitaries on front lines of war with Russia (https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/04/nazis-ukrainian-war-russia/)
Usual writers: Max Blumenthal, and her spouse Anya Parampil worked for Russia Today. Also Ben Norton1 et Aaron Maté
From Wikipedia english version:
The Grayzone has been criticized for defending authoritarian regimes.[3][10][23] Bruce Bawer, writing in Commentary, described The Grayzone as "a one-stop propaganda shop, devoted largely to pushing a pro-Assad line on Syria, a pro-regime line on Venezuela, a pro-Putin line on Russia, and a pro-Hamas line on Israel and Palestine".[23] Nerma Jelacic, writing in the Index on Censorship, described The Grayzone as "a Kremlin-connected online outlet that pushes pro-Russian conspiracy theories and genocide denial."[28] The Grayzone had previously claimed Jelacic's employer collaborated with ISIS and Jabhat al-Nusra affiliates.[28] Socialist academic Gilbert Achcar asserts that The Grayzone is an example of "pro-Putin, pro-Assad 'left-wing' propaganda combined with gutter journalism."[29]
It has also been sharply criticized for its characterizations of the Xinjiang internment camps and other Chinese state abuses against Uyghurs.[3][10][30] James Bloodworth, writing in the New Statesman, commented: "n an echo of the way dictatorships publish the flattery of credulous foreign dupes in their state newspapers, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokespeople have approvingly tweeted articles from Blumenthal's online magazine The Grayzone which have sought to deny the persecution of China's Uighur population.
Discredit the source, not the facts and facts cease to exist? If only it worked that way.
Grayzone is far more reputable than Wikipedia that anyone can edit without any form of authentication to it. The editors try to keep up with the crap but its unworkable.
I have decided to deprecate Wikipedia as a reliable encyclopedia of facts as most articles are politically colored.
An excellent view of how Grayzone got that way on wikipedia by ..... grayzone https://thegrayzone.com/2020/06/10/wikipedia-formally-censors-the-grayzone-as-regime-change-advocates-monopolize-editing/
Yes, wars and brutality go hand in hand.
Incidentally, the Russian shot (a) was injured and likely dying; and (b) was shot be a Georgian fighting for Ukraine. I'm not dismissing this, if it occurred. The jury is still out. I am suspicious because, how would a video, which could only have been taken by Ukrainian forces, make its way into the public domain? That makes no sense to me.
However, first a combatant, who has placed children on his tank to escape Kyiv (confirmed by relatives), raped children (confirmed from several locations) and used civilians as target practice (confirmed in Germany intercepted Russian communications) is not the same as a civilian. Not surprised you would equate them, though.
The execution of prisoners of war makes sense for you, but how the video of the execution became available to public does not make sense for you!
Just read what you wrote!!!
Yes, read what you wrote, each and every day. Let's imagine for one moment that Ukraine was the aggressor, and somehow they managed to send 190,000 soldiers into Russia, to rape pillage and commit genocide against the Russian civilians, not only in the close cities but at least 10 to 15 cities and villagers. Husbands were killed in cold blood in front of their wives and then their wives were raped in front of a child.
And all the time Ukrainians were firing missiles and dropping bombs on cities and destroying them. What would the Russian soldiers do if they captured a Ukrainian soldier? They would probably torture them for a week before killing them.
IF that video is authentic, the Russian soldier is very lucky that he met a quick end, instead of the sadistic treatment he would get if he were Ukrainian and captured invading Ukraine.
None of these arguments would be happening in the first place IF a ruthless ill dictator did not order Russian soldiers to invade Ukraine and commit genoce against the population.
There is only one person responsible and that is Putin.
You say you found your country, you are happy here in the USA BUT you stab America in the back by supporting a ruthless, very ill delusional man stuck in the past who has made multiple veiled threats against the USA and other countries.
It is very convenient for you and other Putin supporters to support him from afar. You criticize me for being patriotic, yet I live on my own soil, I was born here and my ancestors came here nearly 300 years ago.
Why not go back to your own soil where you were born? Because you and many others here are the ultimate hypocrites. You support genocide and satanic behavior or bad people.
Ukrainians now hate Putin more than they ever could have before. As Timothy Snyder says, the only crime any Ukrainian has committed is being a human who happens to have been born in Ukraine. Many Russians have also left because they do not support a fascist/communist dictator.
Thank you for reminding me why I put you on my ignore list!
Yes, wars and brutality go hand in hand.
Incidentally, the Russian shot (a) was injured and likely dying; and (b) was shot be a Georgian fighting for Ukraine. I'm not dismissing this, if it occurred. The jury is still out. I am suspicious because, how would a video, which could only have been taken by Ukrainian forces, make its way into the public domain? That makes no sense to me.
However, first a combatant, who has placed children on his tank to escape Kyiv (confirmed by relatives), raped children (confirmed from several locations) and used civilians as target practice (confirmed in Germany intercepted Russian communications) is not the same as a civilian. Not surprised you would equate them, though.
The execution of prisoners of war makes sense for you, but how the video of the execution became available to public does not make sense for you!
Just read what you wrote!!!
Yes, read what you wrote, each and every day. Let's imagine for one moment that Ukraine was the aggressor, and somehow they managed to send 190,000 soldiers into Russia, to rape pillage and commit genocide against the Russian civilians, not only in the close cities but at least 10 to 15 cities and villagers. Husbands were killed in cold blood in front of their wives and then their wives were raped in front of a child.
And all the time Ukrainians were firing missiles and dropping bombs on cities and destroying them. What would the Russian soldiers do if they captured a Ukrainian soldier? They would probably torture them for a week before killing them.
IF that video is authentic, the Russian soldier is very lucky that he met a quick end, instead of the sadistic treatment he would get if he were Ukrainian and captured invading Russia.
None of these arguments would be happening in the first place IF a ruthless ill dictator did not order Russian soldiers to invade Ukraine and commit genoce against the population.
There is only one person responsible and that is Putin.
You say you found your country, you are happy here in the USA BUT you stab America in the back by supporting a ruthless, very ill delusional man stuck in the past who has made multiple veiled threats against the USA and other countries.
It is very convenient for you and other Putin supporters to support him from afar. You criticize me for being patriotic, yet I live on my own soil, I was born here and my ancestors came here nearly 300 years ago.
Why not go back to your own soil where you were born? Because you and many others here are the ultimate hypocrites. You support genocide and satanic behavior or bad people.
Ukrainians now hate Putin more than they ever could have before. As Timothy Snyder says, the only crime any Ukrainian has committed is being a human who happens to have been born in Ukraine. Many Russians have also left because they do not support a fascist/communist dictator.
Thank you for reminding me why I put you on my ignore list!
And now you've become like Moby, putting someone on ignore and then reading it anyway. :laugh:
No problem Yankee if you would have met a UW or a RW in Ukraine those years ago you would be on the same side.
For many others they have Stockholm syndrome and they go back to worshipping those who destroyed their ancestors lives.
Only one man is responsible for the lack of peace in Europe now.
how would a video, which could only have been taken by Ukrainian forces, make its way into the public domain?
As you will notice, in the case of the MH17, despite the conclusions of the trial, the RF has never accepted any responsibility.
Dissimulation is the RF DNA, like many authoritarian countries.
When the Iranian air defense shot down the Ukrainian plane in Teheran (flight 752), the Iranian authorities took responsibility. Quite surprising from such a regime.
Since then nobody talk about this, case closed.
The US is responsible for what's happening in Ukraine now: Fomenting regime change in 2014, installing at least one puppet president, arming neo nazis there to prolong a civil war since then, dangling carrots at Zelensky to make him think he could pull off getting Donbass back, stuff the country with nukes and join NATO, not encouraging diplomacy that would have prevented the current conflict and arming Ukraine to prolong the current conflict.
That's your geopolitics lesson for today, Contrarian. No amount of oversized quotes, or repetitive, verbose windsockery by you from your double-wide will change any of those facts.
The US is responsible for what's happening in Ukraine now: Fomenting regime change in 2014, installing at least one puppet president, arming neo nazis there to prolong a civil war since then, dangling carrots at Zelensky to make him think he could pull off getting Donbass back, stuff the country with nukes and join NATO, not encouraging diplomacy that would have prevented the current conflict and arming Ukraine to prolong the current conflict.
That's your geopolitics lesson for today, Contrarian. No amount of oversized quotes, or repetitive, verbose windsockery by you from your double-wide will change any of those facts.
no! do not put all blame for this on the U.S.A. the whole of western world can shoulder a very large blame, including your own homelands.
not encouraging diplomacy is a two edge sword, Putin could/should have done same thing before the "special operation"
as for arming and prolonging the conflict....BS, absolute BS. you tell me what would be done if roles are reversed or if Scotland "special operated" northern England or vice versa.
you do not think that one or the other would not be supplied with arms...BS
and never forget the armed neo-nazis in other nations, including Russia.
but...all of that is just smoke at of a**es. the real reason, the same reason all wars "special operations", are waged is money. the resources, the energy deposits, are what Putin is after.
if it was really about denazification you head directly for the head or heart of the "neo-nazis". only Kiev would matter for that conclusion, you kill of neutralize the "neo-nazi" leader. a straight thrust from Troebortnoe, perhaps with a feint from Novye Yurkovichi, would have took care of matters (IMO)
nothing else in the country matters, if it is denazification. not protecting Russian citizens. not even the Azov battalion matters, in all reality, they could be mopped up later.
this "special operation" is only about controlling resources and the route to those resources.
all wars are fought for money! and that is the economy lesson for all
note#1 all information and facts that support these conclusions are a simple inter-web search away
note#2 no amount of belittling of other members change facts
no! do not put all blame for this on the U.S.A.
What was Putin supposed to do??, Backing off and allow the US move into Ukraine, I think NOT...you make it sound as if Putin is being manipulated by the U.S.A. reportedly the greatest geo-politician of the 21st century by some (my opinion is out on this topic at this time). is he the puppet you infer?
In reality, the US holds the responsibility for ALL the worlds problems...again, the puppet Putin (and the world) dancing to the U.S.A. swing band :whist11:
Where any small country does not bow down to the mighty US, they get invaded, when a larger country stands up to be counted against the US threat, they get demonized..
Take N Ireland for example, IF the mighty US of A had stopped supplying weapons to the IRA and the Provo's, the situation would have ceased many years earlier..
To go further, do you really believe that IF S Arabia, wanted payment for oil in its own currency For example, that the US would agree, Not a chance, they would most probably invade...
Atrocities (o called) in Ukraine, well, most of them are probably fake news, instigated by the US advising how and what to do, when and where..I did not mention the atrocities, that is a different thread. hopefully the truth will out after unbiased investigation.
In other words, I feel that all of you "armchair" specialists here on the forum, should go away, sort out your own evil past, and domestic affairs before telling others what's right or wrong in your eyes...sorting my evil past? my domestic affairs? I was not writing of right or wrong, I was writing about the motivation of Putin's 'special operation'.
If any of you don't like what is happening in Ukraine, then the answer is simple, shut up and put up, in other words, get of your fat arses , go to Ukraine and fight for what you think is right, but you won't will you...I hate to remind you (not really) of note#2
I wonder why!!!!
you make it sound as if Putin is being manipulated by the U.S.A. reportedly the greatest geo-politician of the 21st century by some (my opinion is out on this topic at this time). is he the puppet you infer?
Who's inferring that Putin is a US puppet, I certainly didn't, and if you read my post as stating such, I feel sorry for you...
I don't know what you or anyone has done to support Ukraine, and I'm not interested in the least, BUT, you probably did it from your armchair... That's my point...
:duh: :duh: :duh: :dh:
Who's inferring that Putin is a US puppet, I certainly didn't, and if you read my post as stating such, I feel sorry for you...you deflect from the topic and you have forgotten note#2....and actually, I do not own an arm chair :biggrin:
I don't know what you or anyone has done to support Ukraine, and I'm not interested in the least, BUT, you probably did it from your armchair... That's my point...
:duh: :duh: :duh: :dh:
I do not doubt that the U.S.A. is armpit deep, and I have not tried to minimize their role played. yet you/we need to look around in the cesspool at all the other playmates there. many Russians I know are putting a lot of blame on the U.K. and Boris Johnson (just repeating gossip)you make it sound as if Putin is being manipulated by the U.S.A. reportedly the greatest geo-politician of the 21st century by some (my opinion is out on this topic at this time). is he the puppet you infer?
Actually, the US State Dept is armpit deep in this. This could have been avoided.
If you look at this first Russia tried to take the whole country by capturing Kiev and turnover the government.
Who's inferring that Putin is a US puppet, I certainly didn't, and if you read my post as stating such, I feel sorry for you...
I don't know what you or anyone has done to support Ukraine, and I'm not interested in the least, BUT, you probably did it from your armchair... That's my point...
:duh: :duh: :duh: :dh:
Only one man is responsible for the lack of peace in Europe now.
The US is responsible for what's happening in Ukraine now: Fomenting regime change in 2014, installing at least one puppet president, arming neo nazis there to prolong a civil war since then, dangling carrots at Zelensky to make him think he could pull off getting Donbass back, stuff the country with nukes and join NATO, not encouraging diplomacy that would have prevented the current conflict and arming Ukraine to prolong the current conflict.
That's your geopolitics lesson for today, Contrarian. No amount of oversized quotes, or repetitive, verbose windsockery by you from your double-wide will change any of those facts.
1. The US is responsible for what's happening in Ukraine now: Fomenting regime change in 2014
2. What was Putin supposed to do??, Backing off and allow the US move into Ukraine, I think NOT...
3. In reality, the US holds the responsibility for ALL the worlds problems...
1. The US is responsible for what's happening in Ukraine now: Fomenting regime change in 2014
2. What was Putin supposed to do??, Backing off and allow the US move into Ukraine, I think NOT...
3. In reality, the US holds the responsibility for ALL the worlds problems...
The US is responsible for what's happening in Ukraine now
dangling carrots at Zelensky to make him think he could pull off getting Donbass back, stuff the country with nukes and join NATO, not encouraging diplomacy that would have prevented the current conflict and arming Ukraine to prolong the current conflict.
That's your geopolitics lesson for today, Contrarian. No amount of oversized quotes, or repetitive, verbose windsockery by you from your double-wide will change any of those facts.
The US is responsible for what's happening in Ukraine now
Horsesh!t,
The US contributed to the problems for sure. Russia and the USA have been
poking at each other since the end of WW2. The USA threw a few dollars
around and a regime change happened. The USA did not send in troops
and defeat a legitimate government and put in a Puppet. Stop implying
that we did.
You're going over stuff that has already been discussed,:biggrin:BillManny. It's in this very thread.
I don't think anybody was implying that the US had put troops in Ukraine.
We in the US go about things differently. Throwing money around is indeed often the way we spark regime changes more favorable to our interests. When our interests are prioritized that puts us in the position to gain more money into our fold, which is then in turn used to throw more money around in another region to once again prioritize our interests. Aside from outright bombing, money is one of our most lethal weapons in cases like Russia, where bombing isn't feasible.
You're going over stuff that has already been discussed, Bill. It's in this very thread.
Windsockery, you're welcome. tiphat
You guys have got to understand a very simple fact. It is Russia faults that the government in Ukraine leans so much to the west because Russia keeps always threaten it. WE did not install the government in Ukraine the people of Ukraine voted it in. Nato has thirty countries not because of something the USA did but rather Russia's behavior. Ukraine wants to join Nato not because of something the USA did but because how they are treated by Russia. Finland and Sweden are interested in Joining Nato not because something USA is doing but because of Russia behavior. Now Russia is putting weapons on Finland's border which is doing the opposite of what Russia wants. It is convincing Finland they need Nato. I thought we had some bad diplomacy with some of our lunatic USA leaders, but Putin is totally out doing anything we have done. This thing about Nazis is just a bunch of bull to justify Putin's quest to make Russia great again.
MRGA.
You guys have got to understand a very simple fact. It is Russia faults that the government in Ukraine leans so much to the west because Russia keeps always threaten it. :laugh:
WE did not install the government in Ukraine the people of Ukraine voted it in. :ROFL:
Nato has thirty countries not because of something the USA did but rather Russia's behavior. :ROFL:
Ukraine wants to join Nato not because of something the USA did but because how they are treated by Russia. :'(
Finland and Sweden are interested in Joining Nato not because something USA is doing but because of Russia behavior. The area between Russia and Finland has no army bases and only wondefrul wooden houses, forests and lovely grass views. etc.....Been there and drove right on the frontiers without any problems.....had a coffeee and back to Archangelsk.
Now Russia is putting weapons on Finland's border which is doing the opposite of what Russia wants.
It is convincing Finland they need Nato. I thought we had some bad diplomacy with some of our lunatic USA leaders, but Putin is totally out doing anything we have done. This thing about Nazis is just a bunch of bull to justify Putin's quest to make Russia great again.
You're going over stuff that has already been discussed, Bill. It's in this very thread.
Windsockery, you're welcome. tiphat
I thought you ignored some of them. Did I miss the rebuttal about the Nazi's
the Kremlin held in high esteem. Did I miss the rebuttal about the low
percentage of Nazi's in Ukraine being equivalent to that of other country's.
Or that not a single elected official is or represents a far right party.
If I missed it, let me know and I will reread every one of your posts in this
thread. Did you cover them in a different thread? I don't read every thread
anymore. I have a wife and a 7 year old and that is a bundle to keep up with.
Finland and Sweden are interested in Joining Nato not because something USA is doing but because of Russia behavior. The area between Russia and Finland has no army bases and only wondefrul wooden houses, forests and lovely grass views. etc.....Been there and drove right on the frontiers without any problems.....had a coffeee and back to Archangelsk.
Now Russia is putting weapons on Finland's border which is doing the opposite of what Russia wants.
It is convincing Finland they need Nato. I thought we had some bad diplomacy with some of our lunatic USA leaders, but Putin is totally out doing anything we have done. This thing about Nazis is just a bunch of bull to justify Putin's quest to make Russia great again. [/size]
Finland and Sweden are interested in Joining Nato not because something USA is doing but because of Russia behavior. The area between Russia and Finland has no army bases and only wondefrul wooden houses, forests and lovely grass views. etc.....Been there and drove right on the frontiers without any problems.....had a coffeee and back to Archangelsk.
Now Russia is putting weapons on Finland's border which is doing the opposite of what Russia wants.
It is convincing Finland they need Nato. I thought we had some bad diplomacy with some of our lunatic USA leaders, but Putin is totally out doing anything we have done. This thing about Nazis is just a bunch of bull to justify Putin's quest to make Russia great again. [/size]
Ok, a reality check.
1. Karelia is the are (both in Finland and Russia) north of St. Pete.
2. Russia has had military base in Karelia since the 1940 Winter War, about 60 km from the current Finland/Russia border. Currently used for AFV storage.
3. The Georgia and Ukraine "trigger" has been trying to join NATO. Russia has labled that an "esistential threat". Not saying I agree - but they don't need you and I to agree.
Do you remember the name of the Asylum from where you have escaped..?
Maybe you will need to remember to tell the police, where to take you back, when they find you! :dh:
Karelia is called the the area between Russia and Finland, has no army bases and only wondefrul wooden houses, churches, forests and lovely green grass views. etc.....Been there and drove right on the frontiers with Finland without any problems.....had a coffeee in a bar nearbuy and back to Archangelsk which is a very beautifull town.
Good luck, stop your childish hobbies and talking Porky Pies :ROFL:
dorbradavid
1) Have you ever been abroad anywhwere ?
2) Take a look at your avatar and then comeback to talk to us about your world experience..... :'(
3) Take notice of the Kind comments made by AvHdB...... he is been very polite to you.... I am a different person. I have travelled several times to Florida , N Y, Los Angeless.
For many many years there have been no problems between Russia and Finland and is pretty obvious who is behind of all the rubish you are talking!
At least some of us have a passport and have visited many places of the ex USSR countries, enjoyed the company of many beutiful Russian or Ukrainian women, most of us married one.... while you give the impression that you need GPS to find your toilet at home!
You're going over stuff that has already been discussed, Bill. It's in this very thread.
Windsockery, you're welcome. tiphat
I thought you ignored some of them. Did I miss the rebuttal about the Nazi's
the Kremlin held in high esteem. Did I miss the rebuttal about the low
percentage of Nazi's in Ukraine being equivalent to that of other country's.
Or that not a single elected official is or represents a far right party.
If I missed it, let me know and I will reread every one of your posts in this
thread. Did you cover them in a different thread? I don't read every thread
anymore. I have a wife and a 7 year old and that is a bundle to keep up with.
This is probably one of the best articles I have read (https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/) that encapsulates my understanding at the moment.
dorbradavid
1) Have you ever been abroad anywhwere ?
2) Take a look at your avatar and then comeback to talk to us about your world experience..... :'(
3) Take notice of the Kind comments made by AvHdB...... he is been very polite to you.... I am a different person. I have travelled several times to Florida , N Y, Los Angeless.
For many many years there have been no problems between Russia and Finland and is pretty obvious who is behind of all the rubish you are talking!
At least some of us have a passport and have visited many places of the ex USSR countries, enjoyed the company of many beutiful Russian or Ukrainian women, most of us married one.... while you give the impression that you need GPS to find your toilet at home!
:evilgrin0002:
I don't think anybody was implying that the US had put troops in Ukraine.
We in the US go about things differently. Throwing money around is indeed often the way we spark regime changes more favorable to our interests. When our interests are prioritized that puts us in the position to gain more money into our fold, which is then in turn used to throw more money around in another region to once again prioritize our interests. Aside from outright bombing, money is one of our most lethal weapons in cases like Russia, where bombing isn't feasible.
What you say may well be true. USA has more money (Printed) than others so we can buy much more and that ability has permitted us to gain even more wealth it would appear. Since Russia doesn't have the ability to win in that arena, they have chosen to resort to an old way of doing things. A ground war. If that doesn't go well enough I wouldn't be surprised if they use their smaller nukes to demolish all resistance since their options are more limited. I don't see them permitting Ukraine to stand as independent at this point, because clearly Russia can't be forgiven by Ukrainians for what they have already done. Now that it has reached this point, I suspect either Ukraine will be a de facto Russian possession or it will not exist at all. Just my opinion of course, and as I'm sure you are aware I'm not always right.
I don't think anybody was implying that the US had put troops in Ukraine.
We in the US go about things differently. Throwing money around is indeed often the way we spark regime changes more favorable to our interests. When our interests are prioritized that puts us in the position to gain more money into our fold, which is then in turn used to throw more money around in another region to once again prioritize our interests. Aside from outright bombing, money is one of our most lethal weapons in cases like Russia, where bombing isn't feasible.
Manny has repeatedly said that the USA overthrew the legitimate Putin puppet
Ukrainian president that Russia bought and paid for.
Now Manny's point is that Russia has a legitimate reason to send in tanks
because the puppet government they paid for was unable to stay in power.
It was Ukrainians that removed Russia's corrupt puppet President.
Every Ukrainian official above the level of dog catcher has been corrupt
and for sale to the highest bidder since the breakup of the Soviet Union.
So now we get crocodile tears and tanks because one purchased politician
couldn't keep himself in power?
World Geopolitics isn't Amazon where you buy a politician and get a replacement
or your money back if things don't work out. Besides they've had elections since
then. You gotta buy a new politician every time there is an election. Unlike
Russia, in Ukraine you don't have life time appointments to positions of power.
Since Russia doesn't have the ability to win in that arena, they have chosen to resort to an old way of doing things.
There is no need for tactical nukes.What type of response would you guess...
It would absolutely elicite an unknown but likely serious responce by the west which would not help russian goals.
this thread is about nazis in ukraine which there doesnt seem to be much evidence left for this.
this thread is about nazis in ukraine which there doesnt seem to be much evidence left for this.
You should get a job at the BBC, you'd be perfect for them.
Meanwhile, in the real world, Russia has since last night launched a continual air offensive along a 300 mile section of the border. I wonder how you "Russia is losing" folks will spin that. Final chapter in progress now.
Jonas ,my point is they could accomplish same without the risk tactical nukes would cause.
The west absolutely would respond in some way, not nessarily a military responce but certainly something significant.
That's an escalation I don't think Russia will chance.
They are not backed into a corner as you tend to imply.
They can retreat to their border afterall,they can negotiate a stronger position economically as well.
They still hold the main points in this.
Big bite then concession to smaller bite is historically they way,and I think eventually it's what we will see
Donbas to Russia and perhaps the kherson oblast area land Bridge to crimea.
They don't need to use tactical nukes to get there.
I think the southern coast line and ports of mikolaev to Odessa is ukraines red line.
If Russia controls that they end up like Moldova a poor fate.
So I believe Russia will have to decide just how far this goes. Settle for consessions of the South Eastern parts of their cutrent advance puts them.in that position, . Or go for basically strangling the country at much greater cost.
Sadly in either case I think hostilities would continue off and on for decades now
If their goal is to take all of Ukraine,
Russia was never losing the conflict, but certainly lost the initial advance to kyiv.
I think the view of Ukraine winning* was far more from.the fact they defended well and regime hasn't changed.
You are probably right although it is difficult to know for sure what is really going on. Western media does have most people convinced Russia is getting trounced. I'm not sure what to believe. It would seem that Russia will start running out of weaponry if indeed new supplies are cut off. If that were to occur, I can see a need to wrap up the goals at a more rapid pace by whatever means necessary.If their goal is to take all of Ukraine,
That has never been mentioned. Nothing much has happened in the west and isn't likely to.Russia was never losing the conflict, but certainly lost the initial advance to kyiv.
I think the view of Ukraine winning* was far more from.the fact they defended well and regime hasn't changed.
Kiev was never a takeover target, nor was regime change.
The Ukraine winning narrative comes from all the fake news they put out and western media lapping it up. They are winning the propaganda war, thats about all.
Kiev was never a takeover target, nor was regime change.
The Ukraine winning narrative comes from all the fake news they put out and western media lapping it up. They are winning the propaganda war, thats about all.
Kiev was never a takeover target, nor was regime change.
The Ukraine winning narrative comes from all the fake news they put out and western media lapping it up. They are winning the propaganda war, thats about all.
Jonas! Rather than relying on what you're told to think, refer to what Mr Putin said at the outset of the operation.
The move toward Kiev was a feint, a distraction. Its purpose served, troops moved on to new objectives.
Within the possibilities available during a conflict, the Russian military has been open about their operations.
Taking over Kiev was not on the cards. There was not the manpower to do it. But tying down the Ukrainian forces in the area until it was no longer possible to move them in support of the forces in the east? Yup, that was done.
they can't admit to any mistep.
they can't admit to any mistep.
That sounds like several Russian women that I dated (not Angel Eyes).
:laugh: :ROFL:they can't admit to any mistep.
That sounds like several Russian women that I dated (not Angel Eyes).
they can't admit to any mistep.
That sounds like severalRussianwomen that I dated (not Angel Eyes).
Guys, do not rely upon what you are told to think by people who have an interest in lying to you.My own thought is that Russia would like basically all of Ukraine at this point. Russia has paid too much in blood and in worldwide consequences to settle now for a little sliver in the East. If Russia were to settle for a small portion of Ukraine, it would then have a very hostile remaining part of Ukraine on it's border permanently. If that is going to be the case then why not just take it over too while they are already mobilized.... Given what has already happened, If it is not taken over, it will work fiercely against Russian interests forever now. Ukraine will fight tooth and nail though so no option is great in the short run. Knowing this is likely to be the case, Russia may choose to use mass casualty weaponry if that is what it takes. Somebody mentioned chemical weapons, which do make more sense than nuclear, if Russia intends on occupying the land afterworlds.
I and people who know much more than I were saying the same stuff from the outset, based upon what the Russians were saying.
There was no intention of taking Kiev. Yes, if the Ukrainian government had folded in the first few days then, of course, Russia would have been well chuffed. They might even have hoped that would be the outcome - but it was not the expectation.
There were not enough troops to attain that goal.
It is fun to have fantasies fed by people who are well paid to fluff you. There's a great website for that www.xvid.com. But it ain't the real world.
Somehow Ukrainian battalions in kyiv are shackled to chestnut trees and can't make donbass in the 2 weeks from.Russian withdrawal to.the newly launched offensive
David,
I did not say those battalions would move, the sarcastic point i was making is they aren't tied down there to.trees by Russia pulling back . My point was its main goal wasn't a.feint and part of a brilliant plan,as some here assert.
Additionally kyiv was not defended entirely by local.territorial.units.
I know people serving there.
If* that territorial unit contention is accurate , and they are mostly non mobile units,then it more than reinforces my point that.the russian thrust to kiev wasn't merely a feint.
The feint would be even.more impracticle if those troops arnt mobile .anyway .
The idea of it being just a feint
is that it tied up Ukrainian troops in the north ,pulling them.from. deployment east and South to aid a russian offensive there. This it naturally would do ,but the retraction did not,
As no offensive was mounted for two weeks after north troop withdrawal.
So again I'd love to hear how such an effective brilliant feint, waited to launch a new offensive until after any ukrainian mobile troop units in the north ,could have been relocated to the east and west.
Russia and Ukraine had made an agreement for the evacuation of civilians from Mariupol,by 2pm but as of 6pm the long line of busses sat empty as the Russian military ignored the agreement.
Putler has already declared Mariupol a success, so why not let the remaining civilians leave?
How is the Ukraine government keeping them there? Ukraine defenders are hold up in a few tunnels under a steel mill that is completely circled. Likely they scared to leave because what happen to others who tried to leave.
I guess now that Mariupol is literally under Russian siege ridding most if not all, of the Azov renegade army, it is technically *denazified*, yes?
I guess now that Mariupol is literally under Russian siege ridding most if not all, of the Azov renegade army, it is technically *denazified*, yes?
This is probably one of the best articles I have read (https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/) that encapsulates my understanding at the moment.
Mariupol is not under siege.
this thread is about nazis in ukraine which there doesnt seem to be much evidence left for this.
This is probably one of the best articles I have read (https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/) that encapsulates my understanding at the moment.
It could have been written by Putin himself. The article egregiously rewrites history
and vocabulary. I don't think a single sentence in the article is true. It is blatant
propaganda.
Lastly,
You've never rebutted a single argument that I laid out. You just go away from the thread
for a while and act as if your original arguments are still valid. I went back and read
every one of your posts in this thread and guess what? You ignore arguments that
don't buttress your assertions.
This is probably one of the best articles I have read (https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/) that encapsulates my understanding at the moment.
It could have been written by Putin himself. The article egregiously rewrites history
and vocabulary. I don't think a single sentence in the article is true. It is blatant
propaganda.
I appreciate that you folks over the pond have a dishonest media as we do, but if you move outside of the CNN bubble, even to Fox, you'll find more going on and different points of view.
As I said, I find that an excellent article. You are free to disagree.Lastly,
You've never rebutted a single argument that I laid out. You just go away from the thread
for a while and act as if your original arguments are still valid. I went back and read
every one of your posts in this thread and guess what? You ignore arguments that
don't buttress your assertions.
You asked me a question about Nazis that I answered. You then chased me around the site claiming I hadn't, and even linking you back didn't stop you. If you asked me anything else and didn't get a reply, I either missed it or thought it not worthy of the time needed to respond to something daft. I dont always agree with you but seldom find it painful to engage with you, so if there was something I missed, feel free to link me.
Westy, It is good to see you posting again!
United Nations adopted a Russia initiated resolution: "Combating glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fueling contemporary forms of #racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related #intolerance"
130 votes for
2 against
The two nations that were against the resolution to combat Nazism were USA and Ukraine. Seems like the US and Ukraine needed the Azov Battalion and didn't want them to go away. The UN voted on the Resolution Dec 16th, 2021 months before the war.
https://twitter.com/adamscrabble/status/1502693816796684293/photo/1
For years Russia told America in private they didn't like certain things going on in Ukraine. For years Russia told America publicly they didn't like certain things going on in Ukraine. Russia even took their case to the UN. America didn't listen. Obama and Hillary's Resetting of Relations with Russia to be their friend was a trick played on Russia so they can get involved in Ukraine. Now Ukrainians are paying a price. Obama's puppet Biden and a corrupt Congress will supply Ukraine with an endless supply of money to get more Ukrainians in the fight to punish Russia for stopping their Deep State projects. Waste of our money and waste of Ukrainian lives. In the end, Biden will abandon them like he did Afghanis.
United Nations adopted a Russia initiated resolution: "Combating glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fueling contemporary forms of #racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related #intolerance"
130 votes for
2 against
The two nations that were against the resolution to combat Nazism were USA and Ukraine. Seems like the US and Ukraine needed the Azov Battalion and didn't want them to go away. The UN voted on the Resolution Dec 16th, 2021 months before the war.
https://twitter.com/adamscrabble/status/1502693816796684293/photo/1
For years Russia told America in private they didn't like certain things going on in Ukraine. For years Russia told America publicly they didn't like certain things going on in Ukraine. Russia even took their case to the UN. America didn't listen. Obama and Hillary's Resetting of Relations with Russia to be their friend was a trick played on Russia so they can get involved in Ukraine. Now Ukrainians are paying a price. Obama's puppet Biden and a corrupt Congress will supply Ukraine with an endless supply of money to get more Ukrainians in the fight to punish Russia for stopping their Deep State projects. Waste of our money and waste of Ukrainian lives. In the end, Biden will abandon them like he did Afghanis.
1, The US voted against it because of their First Amendment, freedom of speech.
Billy if Putin is against Nazis why are there so many in power in Russia? For instance the Chechen leader Ramzan Akhmadovich Kadyrov would make the American KKK seem like alt left SJWs.
There seems to be no end to Nazis in Russia. Why, if Putin wants the world to rid itself of Nazis?
2, https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/08/russia-is-co-opting-angry-young-men/568741/
United Nations adopted a Russia initiated resolution: "Combating glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fueling contemporary forms of #racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related #intolerance"
130 votes for
2 against
The two nations that were against the resolution to combat Nazism were USA and Ukraine. Seems like the US and Ukraine needed the Azov Battalion and didn't want them to go away. The UN voted on the Resolution Dec 16th, 2021 months before the war.
https://twitter.com/adamscrabble/status/1502693816796684293/photo/1
United Nations adopted a Russia initiated resolution: "Combating glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fueling contemporary forms of #racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related #intolerance"
130 votes for
2 against
The two nations that were against the resolution to combat Nazism were USA and Ukraine. Seems like the US and Ukraine needed the Azov Battalion and didn't want them to go away. The UN voted on the Resolution Dec 16th, 2021 months before the war.
https://twitter.com/adamscrabble/status/1502693816796684293/photo/1
For years Russia told America in private they didn't like certain things going on in Ukraine. For years Russia told America publicly they didn't like certain things going on in Ukraine. Russia even took their case to the UN. America didn't listen. Obama and Hillary's Resetting of Relations with Russia to be their friend was a trick played on Russia so they can get involved in Ukraine. Now Ukrainians are paying a price. Obama's puppet Biden and a corrupt Congress will supply Ukraine with an endless supply of money to get more Ukrainians in the fight to punish Russia for stopping their Deep State projects. Waste of our money and waste of Ukrainian lives. In the end, Biden will abandon them like he did Afghanis.
The US voted against it because of their First Amendment, freedom of speech.
Billy if Putin is against Nazis why are there so many in power in Russia? For instance the Chechen leader Ramzan Akhmadovich Kadyrov would make the American KKK seem like alt left SJWs.
There seems to be no end to Nazis in Russia. Why, if Putin wants the world to rid itself of Nazis?
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/08/russia-is-co-opting-angry-young-men/568741/
Because Naziism is being used as a fake reason to invade UkraineI don't buy the nazi reasoning either, but from Russia's view they had good reason to invade for other reasons. Nazi talk is a bit of a cover in my opinion.
Yea if the USA tried to impose those same conditions on Russia how do you think Russia would reply?I think you meant to reply to other thread.
Some truth but mostly lies.
Those of you wanting to escalate the war to punish Putin and Russia, who's kids do you want to send to Ukraine and then into Russia? Yours or someone elses?
United Nations adopted a Russia initiated resolution: "Combating glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fueling contemporary forms of #racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related #intolerance"
130 votes for
2 against
The two nations that were against the resolution to combat Nazism were USA and Ukraine. Seems like the US and Ukraine needed the Azov Battalion and didn't want them to go away. The UN voted on the Resolution Dec 16th, 2021 months before the war.
https://twitter.com/adamscrabble/status/1502693816796684293/photo/1
For years Russia told America in private they didn't like certain things going on in Ukraine. For years Russia told America publicly they didn't like certain things going on in Ukraine. Russia even took their case to the UN. America didn't listen. Obama and Hillary's Resetting of Relations with Russia to be their friend was a trick played on Russia so they can get involved in Ukraine. Now Ukrainians are paying a price. Obama's puppet Biden and a corrupt Congress will supply Ukraine with an endless supply of money to get more Ukrainians in the fight to punish Russia for stopping their Deep State projects. Waste of our money and waste of Ukrainian lives. In the end, Biden will abandon them like he did Afghanis.
The US voted against it because of their First Amendment, freedom of speech.
Because Naziism is being used as a fake reason to invade UkraineI don't buy the nazi reasoning either, but from Russia's view they had good reason to invade for other reasons. Nazi talk is a bit of a cover in my opinion.
Jonas!
We don't need biolabs in other countries. You just transport the materials.
Huh, it's been a very long time since I've been here. Started dating an Estonian girl in 2014 that went great for a few years until it didn't. I was curious to see what was going on in the forums since the invasion happened and thought there would be a lot of practical perspective from you guys. Jesus Christ. This place is a dumpster fire. This forum has been the most devisive spot Ive seen on the internet yet.
We don't need biolabs in other countries. You just transport the materials.
You're right, we don't need biolabs in other countries yet they're there. The Ukraine biolabs were working on coronaviruses and plague bacteria. Ukraine is one of the most corrupt nations on earth. 'They' wanted a place like that to handle newly discovered biological weapons. China also a place we sent money to to create the worst pathogens known to man.
Quote from: billybSome truth but mostly lies.
You mean like the neo nazi excuse to invade Ukraine?
Azov is neo nazi.
There are no excuses for it.
The Ukrainian gov used the groups ultra nationalist stance and shear numbers of trained members .
But you'll conviently ignore that the entire foundation of the donestsk seperatist militias was neo nazi leaders ,mostly from Russia and decorated by the Kremlin in 16 for thier performance in donbass ( dimitri utkin(wagner))
If you dont know the significance of the man's call sign (wagner pmc) and paramilitary group name, paid by russia, I can't help you further.
The leaders like utkin,pavlov etc etc the entire seperatist head was and remains neo nazi. The Kremlin just posthumously decorated another fallen dpr leader, neo nazi.
Azov formed in mariupol after 20 some Ukraine captured soldiers were executed amd mutilated by the seperatist militias of wagner pmc and Sparta battalions ( or a portion of rucsich battalion)
The donestk neo nazi chicken did come before the mariupol neo nazi egg.
A loose bunch of about 50 local mafia thugs paid by and loyal.to the cousted corrupt president and led by neo nazis from.russia and st pete that then actively recruited thru those russian paid paramilitary.groups .
Doesn't matter, boths groups actions are reprehensible.
However dpr would not exist or ever founded without those neo nazi militias,its the very core.
Ukrainian nationalism and troops would certainly exist without azov. Big difference.
Who drew first blood? The murdered local pro Ukrainian admin in sloyansk,and the 2 tortured and murderd 20yo pro ukrainian men were killed there as well.
With intent to incite and spark the donbas conflict in 14.
The men that founded dpr ,state so in their own accounts across numerous interviews. They were there,we weren't.
I do agree it was in responce.to maiden,which had western meddling.all over it. (The two men tortured and killed had went to.maiden and wanted to put up a ukranian flag,in ukraine,,how dare they!)QuoteThose of you wanting to escalate the war to punish Putin and Russia, who's kids do you want to send to Ukraine and then into Russia? Yours or someone elses?
I don't want it to esculate.
The main escalation is and remains Russia , they are not within thier international borders. This extreme escalation started when they crossed them
If they abided by those it's incredibly unlikely those would be crossed and everyone knows it.
I dont want to punish dear kleptocrat puti ,or russua,
as Ukraine was always an equal kelptocracy.
The two cultures were identical. Corruption was and us deep in both.
Just like in the.west
But Again how dare ukraine try and change in any direction. Even if it's towards a different corruption.
If the west hates russia so much,why is the world banks in London so involved in russian money for ir decades to be referred to as Londongrad?
Ukraine could just fold and do as they are told by Russia .
And that botoxed old man in Russia could have accepted that russias control and influence in eastern Europe was diminishing, and might continue to,
All while being happy with the billion dollar a day gas sales.
Here is the kremlins donbas hero!
Oddly from.russia ,a former lieutenant Colonel with SS epillite tattoes on his collarbones and the nazi eagle
That's only the western lies right billy?
You can always go try and take his awards away, the wagner group is still being used by russia in the ukraine conflict.
We don't need biolabs in other countries. You just transport the materials.
You're right, we don't need biolabs in other countries yet they're there. The Ukraine biolabs were working on coronaviruses and plague bacteria. Ukraine is one of the most corrupt nations on earth. 'They' wanted a place like that to handle newly discovered biological weapons. China also a place we sent money to to create the worst pathogens known to man.
There are no Biosafety level 4 (BSL-4) labs in Ukraine.
There are no Biosafety level 4 (BSL-4) labs in Ukraine.
and you know this how?????
United Nations adopted a Russia initiated resolution: "Combating glorification of Nazism, neo-Nazism and other practices that contribute to fueling contemporary forms of #racism, racial discrimination, xenophobia and related #intolerance"
130 votes for
2 against
The two nations that were against the resolution to combat Nazism were USA and Ukraine. Seems like the US and Ukraine needed the Azov Battalion and didn't want them to go away. The UN voted on the Resolution Dec 16th, 2021 months before the war.
https://twitter.com/adamscrabble/status/1502693816796684293/photo/1
For years Russia told America in private they didn't like certain things going on in Ukraine. For years Russia told America publicly they didn't like certain things going on in Ukraine. Russia even took their case to the UN. America didn't listen. Obama and Hillary's Resetting of Relations with Russia to be their friend was a trick played on Russia so they can get involved in Ukraine. Now Ukrainians are paying a price. Obama's puppet Biden and a corrupt Congress will supply Ukraine with an endless supply of money to get more Ukrainians in the fight to punish Russia for stopping their Deep State projects. Waste of our money and waste of Ukrainian lives. In the end, Biden will abandon them like he did Afghanis.
The US voted against it because of their First Amendment, freedom of speech.
Strange the US is all about free speech. I just watch our government take our voice away which is our Constitutional right to choose our leaders. I watch social media ban 5 million people for talking about the stolen election. Then I watch social media censor and ban those that said the virus was made in a lab and don't take the vaccines. Our government not only accepted it, they promoted it.Because Naziism is being used as a fake reason to invade UkraineI don't buy the nazi reasoning either, but from Russia's view they had good reason to invade for other reasons. Nazi talk is a bit of a cover in my opinion.
Jonas!
Everybody knows there's NAZIS in Ukraine. It's just one reason for the invasion, not the main reason. It doesn't matter if Russia has their own NAZIS. They don't want American backed NAZIS next door.
We don't need biolabs in other countries. You just transport the materials.
You're right, we don't need biolabs in other countries yet they're there. The Ukraine biolabs were working on coronaviruses and plague bacteria. Ukraine is one of the most corrupt nations on earth. 'They' wanted a place like that to handle newly discovered biological weapons. China also a place we sent money to to create the worst pathogens known to man.
There are no Biosafety level 4 (BSL-4) labs in Ukraine.
and you know this how?????
There are no Biosafety level 4 (BSL-4) labs in Ukraine.
There are no Biosafety level 4 (BSL-4) labs in Ukraine.
Any more.
I rather think if you're going to have a secret biolab, you are highly unlikely to include it on traceable funding and published lists. It'd be, y'know, secret.
....
Also, I can put your biolab thread to rest. I worked for the CDC and know where those facilities are/were. We don't need biolabs in other countries. You just transport the materials. Honestly, that's not what you should be worrying about.
Quote from: billybSome truth but mostly lies.
You mean like the neo nazi excuse to invade Ukraine?
Azov is neo nazi.
There are no excuses for it.
The Ukrainian gov used the groups ultra nationalist stance and shear numbers of trained members .
But you'll conviently ignore that the entire foundation of the donestsk seperatist militias was neo nazi leaders ,mostly from Russia and decorated by the Kremlin in 16 for thier performance in donbass ( dimitri utkin(wagner))
If you dont know the significance of the man's call sign (wagner pmc) and paramilitary group name, paid by russia, I can't help you further.
The leaders like utkin,pavlov etc etc the entire seperatist head was and remains neo nazi. The Kremlin just posthumously decorated another fallen dpr leader, neo nazi.
Azov formed in mariupol after 20 some Ukraine captured soldiers were executed amd mutilated by the seperatist militias of wagner pmc and Sparta battalions ( or a portion of rucsich battalion)
The donestk neo nazi chicken did come before the mariupol neo nazi egg.
A loose bunch of about 50 local mafia thugs paid by and loyal.to the cousted corrupt president and led by neo nazis from.russia and st pete that then actively recruited thru those russian paid paramilitary.groups .
Doesn't matter, boths groups actions are reprehensible.
However dpr would not exist or ever founded without those neo nazi militias,its the very core.
Ukrainian nationalism and troops would certainly exist without azov. Big difference.
Who drew first blood? The murdered local pro Ukrainian admin in sloyansk,and the 2 tortured and murderd 20yo pro ukrainian men were killed there as well.
With intent to incite and spark the donbas conflict in 14.
The men that founded dpr ,state so in their own accounts across numerous interviews. They were there,we weren't.
I do agree it was in responce.to maiden,which had western meddling.all over it. (The two men tortured and killed had went to.maiden and wanted to put up a ukranian flag,in ukraine,,how dare they!)QuoteThose of you wanting to escalate the war to punish Putin and Russia, who's kids do you want to send to Ukraine and then into Russia? Yours or someone elses?
I don't want it to esculate.
The main escalation is and remains Russia , they are not within thier international borders. This extreme escalation started when they crossed them
If they abided by those it's incredibly unlikely those would be crossed and everyone knows it.
I dont want to punish dear kleptocrat puti ,or russua,
as Ukraine was always an equal kelptocracy.
The two cultures were identical. Corruption was and us deep in both.
Just like in the.west
But Again how dare ukraine try and change in any direction. Even if it's towards a different corruption.
If the west hates russia so much,why is the world banks in London so involved in russian money for ir decades to be referred to as Londongrad?
Ukraine could just fold and do as they are told by Russia .
And that botoxed old man in Russia could have accepted that russias control and influence in eastern Europe was diminishing, and might continue to,
All while being happy with the billion dollar a day gas sales.
Here is the kremlins donbas hero!
Oddly from.russia ,a former lieutenant Colonel with SS epillite tattoes on his collarbones and the nazi eagle
That's only the western lies right billy?
You can always go try and take his awards away, the wagner group is still being used by russia in the ukraine conflict.
Is that your photo at the bottom?
There are no Biosafety level 4 (BSL-4) labs in Ukraine.
Any more.
I rather think if you're going to have a secret biolab, you are highly unlikely to include it on traceable funding and published lists. It'd be, y'know, secret.
....
Also, I can put your biolab thread to rest. I worked for the CDC and know where those facilities are/were. We don't need biolabs in other countries. You just transport the materials. Honestly, that's not what you should be worrying about.
I've been saying that all along here as i used to work in various labs.
Thanks for clearing that up.
It's good to hear from someone that was more directly involved.
It doesn't matter if Russia has their own NAZIS. They don't want American backed NAZIS next door.
While I more or less agree with the point of biolabs probably being a trumped up excuse, your point was completely unfair as it relates to what Manny said. His point was completely reasonable in that if a biolab were a secret it wouldn't show up on any radar screens. Nobody needs to be an expert to make that reasonable statement. Remember yesterday when you mentioned sometimes even the CIA may make counterfeit dollars for secret missions. Well this subject is in the same vein. My own opinion is it isn't likely there was a high level biolab in Ukraine.There are no Biosafety level 4 (BSL-4) labs in Ukraine.
Any more.
I rather think if you're going to have a secret biolab, you are highly unlikely to include it on traceable funding and published lists. It'd be, y'know, secret.
jseddy Manny is one of RUA's experts on everything. He knows far more about biolabs then the people who taught you. He works in retail sales or did when I was last on here. Don't know how that connects to biolabs or secret biolabs but I'm sure he'll tell you.
While I more or less agree with the point of biolabs probably being a trumped up excuse, your point was completely unfair as it relates to what Manny said. His point was completely reasonable in that if a biolab were a secret it wouldn't show up on any radar screens. Nobody needs to be an expert to make that reasonable statement. Remember yesterday when you mentioned sometimes even the CIA may make counterfeit dollars for secret missions. Well this subject is in the same vein. My own opinion is it isn't likely there was a high level biolab in Ukraine.There are no Biosafety level 4 (BSL-4) labs in Ukraine.
Any more.
I rather think if you're going to have a secret biolab, you are highly unlikely to include it on traceable funding and published lists. It'd be, y'know, secret.
jseddy Manny is one of RUA's experts on everything. He knows far more about biolabs then the people who taught you. He works in retail sales or did when I was last on here. Don't know how that connects to biolabs or secret biolabs but I'm sure he'll tell you.
Jonas!
China had labs.
We funded research.
Is that jumping to us funding bio warfare in a Chinese lab?
Would that make sense?
At least it would be far far more lack.of it's secret being compromised than Ukraine .
I suppose I agree with this statement. Maybe I'm naive and operate under more ethical standards. It's just hard for me to understand how a secret lab would get their samples. Those are in public labs and tracked. The thing is you don't need a secret lab, 20 years, and millions of dollars to produce a bioweapon. Just do nothing and wait for nature to do the work for you with an emerging disease. Go get a sample, grow it, weaponize it, and develop a mass distribution method. I can go get plague samples from prarrie dogs in the Dakotas right now. Or ebola any time. I guess there is some truth that governments can't be fully trusted in this regard. The CDC continued the outrageous Tuskeegee syphilis experiments for a decade even after they were exposed.
China had labs.
We funded research.
Is that jumping to us funding bio warfare in a Chinese lab?
Would that make sense?
At least it would be far far more lack.of it's secret being compromised than Ukraine .
AJ, I've been thinking about this for awhile now and I'm on the fence about my opinion. Suppose you lab's purpose is biodefense. How do you go about doing that research without anticipating a type of bioweapon and tying to recreate it? I don't know. That stuff was above my pay grade.
China had labs.
We funded research.
Is that jumping to us funding bio warfare in a Chinese lab?
Would that make sense?
At least it would be far far more lack.of it's secret being compromised than Ukraine .
AJ, I've been thinking about this for awhile now and I'm on the fence about my opinion. Suppose you lab's purpose is biodefense. How do you go about doing that research without anticipating a type of bioweapon and tying to recreate it? I don't know. That stuff was above my pay grade.
China had labs.
We funded research.
Is that jumping to us funding bio warfare in a Chinese lab?
Would that make sense?
At least it would be far far more lack.of it's secret being compromised than Ukraine .
AJ, I've been thinking about this for awhile now and I'm on the fence about my opinion. Suppose you lab's purpose is biodefense. How do you go about doing that research without anticipating a type of bioweapon and tying to recreate it? I don't know. That stuff was above my pay grade.
I grant anything* could be true.
When these accusations broke various *secret labs locations where revealed *.
But the irony is none of those brought up as evidence where ever secret. The contractors ugrading them announced getting awarded the contract on their very public website at the time. I posted it here or on a similar board.
So could there be in Ukraine? Sure
There also could* be those rumored trained golubchik (pigeons) to deliver the (slav) only virus . Lol
My take on the labs was formed from.the evidence provided initially being bogas.
The fact many of the claimed labs were also mostly agriculture based which made sense in a high ag country ,
The shock and awe the press gets for mentioning something that common and found every most where.
They never distinguished security levels just , omg!!! biolabs found!! Like any tabloid is proud to.
That
Coupled with zero real evidence of anything with security levels a biowarfare would have.
And if found * would absolutely be presented! But nothing was.
It just never rang true from.day one,by day 3 orv4 the bulk of it was debunked ,but if you throw stuff at the wall.long enough something sticks. .
Amusingly I predicted back then that.soon they would claim dirty nuke labs were found using power plant fuel
(ridiculous )
And right on que a few days later that claim.was made with zero evidence.
Then the chemical warfare claims came etc etc ad nauseum.
Nazis!!! Biolabs! Dirty Nukes! Chemical weapons. .
The best hot topics to.elicit responce and press headlines to aid in deflection from.that one very uncomfortable word dominating the headlines then ;
INVASION !!!!
And that tag word - Russia
A word and accusation that had actual evidence readily apparent to anyone.
So anything to change that to
*X found in UKRIANE *!!!!!
* Y found UKRAINE*
The propaganda making on Russia is not subtle ,and doesn't need to be.
Watch their 60 minute show for a full episode. 🤷♂️
To be fair
the.western.propanganda was in full swing also, leaving no dead pregnant woman.or injured baby unturned.
Regardless if they verified anything at all about the.story.
You see russia 1 last night?
Reporting the usa will use nuclear weapons on Russia.
Not might, not its a possibility,not the usa threatens to (they.havnt)
but instead the proclamation that they will
So..
They must act now !
On state funded and controlled TV.
Our own MSM is just as bad,but to.their credit Russia regularly during this has alluded to the ultimate escalation.
Its like the press in both sides is looking way past public support and right to igniting a world war.
So the real question is why?
Is it for ratings?
Does ad copy go up that much with sensationalized over the top war news?
It's just sad.
Pathetic really
And civilians always pay for it dearly.
So what cost can the world place on Russia that will make sure it doesn't invade Ukraine again or invade other countries?
So what cost can the world place on Russia that will make sure it doesn't invade Ukraine again or invade other countries?
What cost can the world place on the US to that will make sure it does not invade any of the dozens of countries it has invaded previously again or invade other countries?
What cost can the world place on the US to that will make sure it does not invade any of the dozens of countries it has invaded previously again or invade other countries?
A video of some of the Nazis still inside the Azovstal plant.
Other than the lack of tattoos and that killer swagger, these are the individuals that Putin declared a threat to Russians.
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZTds4Ehmk/
What cost can the world place on the US to that will make sure it does not invade any of the dozens of countries it has invaded previously again or invade other countries?
Just get the Brits to stop supporting us.
A video of some of the Nazis still inside the Azovstal plant.
Other than the lack of tattoos and that killer swagger, these are the individuals that Putin declared a threat to Russians.
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZTds4Ehmk/
Why don't you go to keep them company?
Russia's threatening Finland and Sweden if either join NATO. Russia controls Belarus. Russia has invaded Ukraine and killed thousands while demanding Ukraine submit to Russia's will. Russia will probably invade Moldova if Russia succeeds in Ukraine.
Next targets for Russia? What about Georgia?
What cost can the world place on the US to that will make sure it does not invade any of the dozens of countries it has invaded previously again or invade other countries?
Just get the Brits to stop supporting us.
Russia's threatening Finland and Sweden if either join NATO. Russia controls Belarus. Russia has invaded Ukraine and killed thousands while demanding Ukraine submit to Russia's will. Russia will probably invade Moldova if Russia succeeds in Ukraine.
Next targets for Russia? What about Georgia?
What cost can the world place on the US to that will make sure it does not
invade any of the dozens of countries it has invaded previously again or
invade other countries?
What cost can the world place on the US to that will make sure it does not invade any of the dozens of countries it has invaded previously again or invade other countries?
Just get the Brits to stop supporting us.
Russia's threatening Finland and Sweden if either join NATO. Russia controls Belarus. Russia has invaded Ukraine and killed thousands while demanding Ukraine submit to Russia's will. Russia will probably invade Moldova if Russia succeeds in Ukraine.
Next targets for Russia? What about Georgia?
Unless you like peaches and cotton I would say give Georgia to Russia, and for that matter California as well. After all Russia controlled most of California some 150 years ago. As far as I am concerned they can have N. Pelosi as a bonus.
So what cost can the world place on Russia that will make sure it doesn't invade Ukraine again or invade other countries?
What cost can the world place on the US to that will make sure it does not invade any of the dozens of countries it has invaded previously again or invade other countries?
Russia's threatening Finland and Sweden if either join NATO.
the USA and a few other sane countries to do their best to come to the aid of Ukraine and help them rid themselves of the Russian terrorists. :coffeeread:
and for that matter California as well. After all Russia controlled most of California some 150 years ago. As far as I am concerned they can have N. Pelosi as a bonus.[/size][/font]There is a real tug of war of us silly Californian's. Mexico, Russia. I think we should secede....most of the rest of the US hates us anyway.
Russia's threatening Finland and Sweden if either join NATO.
Please show us these threats?
Russia's threatening Finland and Sweden if either join NATO.Please show us these threats?
Russia's threatening Finland and Sweden if either join NATO.Please show us these threats?
A month ago S. Lavrov, you know the guy who said Russia had no intention to invade Ukraine in early February, made very clear and blunt threats to Finland.
Russia's threatening Finland and Sweden if either join NATO.
Please show us these threats?
There are numerous articles about Putin threatening Finland and Sweden. Putin just doesn't say what he's going to do.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/video/russia-threatens-retaliation-finland-sweden-aim-join-nato-84705813
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/14/russia-threatens-new-nuclear-deployments-if-sweden-finland-join-nato.html
Dmitry Medvedev wrote in a Telegram post on Thursday that if the countries joined the Western military alliance, there would not be any "nuclear-free status of the Baltic". Of course it's very unlikely that the Baltic is nuclear free since many analysts say that Russia has nukes positioned in its enclave of Kaliningrad.
https://www.euronews.com/2022/04/14/russia-threatens-military-build-up-if-finland-or-sweden-join-nato
https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-moving-nuclear-capable-missiles-into-kaliningrad/
the USA and a few other sane countries to do their best to come to the aid of Ukraine and help them rid themselves of the Russian terrorists. :coffeeread:
Stop drinking. It does you no good. :drunk:
You're confusing me with yourself. I rarely touch any alcohol and when I do it's a small amount.
Unlike you when you admitted you got arrested and put in jail after a night out drinking with your mates.
So really what is your excuse for all the obviously over the top dishonest pro-Nazi Russian propaganda?
You do know that the Russian Nazi mercenaries known as Wagner committed horrible crimes in Bucha and were recorded and it was played in German parliament, don't you?
Time for somebody to face up to some cold hard truths.
This really goes to show how incompetent the Russian military is. In the international MSM the Wagner Group are always portrayed as highly professional and feared mercenaries. If they can't communicate with each other or their HQ without having their communications intercepted how professional are they?Or they're using the fine art of misdirection, publicly say A) whilst keeping their real objectives and communications well within opsec. And you would be the ass for believing that they don't in todays age.
Russia's threatening Finland and Sweden if either join NATO.
Please show us these threats?
There are numerous articles about Putin threatening Finland and Sweden. Putin just doesn't say what he's going to do.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/video/russia-threatens-retaliation-finland-sweden-aim-join-nato-84705813
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/14/russia-threatens-new-nuclear-deployments-if-sweden-finland-join-nato.html
Dmitry Medvedev wrote in a Telegram post on Thursday that if the countries joined the Western military alliance, there would not be any "nuclear-free status of the Baltic". Of course it's very unlikely that the Baltic is nuclear free since many analysts say that Russia has nukes positioned in its enclave of Kaliningrad.
https://www.euronews.com/2022/04/14/russia-threatens-military-build-up-if-finland-or-sweden-join-nato
https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-moving-nuclear-capable-missiles-into-kaliningrad/
Or they're using the fine art of misdirection, publicly say A) whilst keeping their real objectives and communications well within opsec. And you would be the ass for believing that they don't in todays age.
Or they're using the fine art of misdirection, publicly say A) whilst keeping their real objectives and communications well within opsec. And you would be the ass for believing that they don't in todays age.
Russia is good at using the fine art of losing a lot of men and weapons. If Russia knew what they were doing, they would have won this war a long time ago and they would not need any fine art. Now Russia has lost so many men and weapons and when you add to what the west has sent Ukraine this is an evenly matched war. If Russia does not fine some kind of fine art or get really lucky they are going to lose this war.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-likely-lost-one-third-of-ground-force-in-ukraine-uk-defense/ar-AAXiIwy?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b126f5dd2956458f8e00ad2fa08b4fbd
do a little math, you won't even need to know it is false. You guys claimed an excess of 120.000 Russian troups near the border of Ukraine. 1/3 of that is 40.000 men.
That would mean that Russia is loosing more men / day than during the Stalin Meat-grinder in WW-II defending against the germans.
Oh that sounds believable.
Russia's threatening Finland and Sweden if either join NATO.Please show us these threats?
A month ago S. Lavrov, you know the guy who said Russia had no intention to invade Ukraine in early February, made very clear and blunt threats to Finland.
You can multiply by 3do a little math, you won't even need to know it is false. You guys claimed an excess of 120.000 Russian troups near the border of Ukraine. 1/3 of that is 40.000 men.
That would mean that Russia is loosing more men / day than during the Stalin Meat-grinder in WW-II defending against the germans.
Oh that sounds believable.
except it does not take 40,000 Russian troopers dead to render 1/3 of the BTGs combat ineffective.
the sources I have been seeing are saying 20,000+ Russian soldiers KIA, WIA, MIA or POW as of now. with vehicles added in, that would be plenty enough casualties to make 1/3 of the original 120 BTGs combat ineffective.
and a 1/3 loss is the number that I have been seeing
This really goes to show how incompetent the Russian military is. In the international MSM the Wagner Group are always portrayed as highly professional and feared mercenaries. If they can't communicate with each other or their HQ without having their communications intercepted how professional are they?Or they're using the fine art of misdirection, publicly say A) whilst keeping their real objectives and communications well within opsec. And you would be the ass for believing that they don't in todays age.
But they aren't talking about that. 1/3 is the mantra, that means also 1/3 of the personell.do a little math, you won't even need to know it is false. You guys claimed an excess of 120.000 Russian troups near the border of Ukraine. 1/3 of that is 40.000 men.
That would mean that Russia is loosing more men / day than during the Stalin Meat-grinder in WW-II defending against the germans.
Oh that sounds believable.
except it does not take 40,000 Russian troopers dead to render 1/3 of the BTGs combat ineffective.
the sources I have been seeing are saying 20,000+ Russian soldiers KIA, WIA, MIA or POW as of now. with vehicles added in, that would be plenty enough casualties to make 1/3 of the original 120 BTGs combat ineffective.
and a 1/3 loss is the number that I have been seeing
But they aren't talking about that. 1/3 is the mantra, that means also 1/3 of the personell.
except it does not take 40,000 Russian troopers dead to render 1/3 of the BTGs combat ineffective.
the sources I have been seeing are saying 20,000+ Russian soldiers KIA, WIA, MIA or POW as of now. with vehicles added in, that would be plenty enough casualties to make 1/3 of the original 120 BTGs combat ineffective.
and a 1/3 loss is the number that I have been seeing
Plus, the 20.000+ dead they are claiming is already enough to swipe Stalin out :ROFL:
Russia's threatening Finland and Sweden if either join NATO.Please show us these threats?
A month ago S. Lavrov, you know the guy who said Russia had no intention to invade Ukraine in early February, made very clear and blunt threats to Finland.
But they're so secret you cant link us to them, I understand. :coffeeread:
I do not know about anyone else's mantra. I said what I meant, 1/3 of the BTGs combat ineffectiveOh splitting hairs are we?
also, I did not write 20,000+ dead. quote properly
except it does not take 40,000 Russian troopers dead to render 1/3 of the BTGs combat ineffective.
the sources I have been seeing are saying 20,000+ Russian soldiers KIA, WIA, MIA or POW as of now. with vehicles added in, that would be plenty enough casualties to make 1/3 of the original 120 BTGs combat ineffective.
and a 1/3 loss is the number that I have been seeing
Russia's threatening Finland and Sweden if either join NATO.Please show us these threats?
A month ago S. Lavrov, you know the guy who said Russia had no intention to invade Ukraine in early February, made very clear and blunt threats to Finland.
But they're so secret you cant link us to them, I understand. :coffeeread:
Many people suggested that the Russian army could be at Kiev within various periods of time. I recall seeing as little as 48 hours. Guess what happened?
Many people suggested that the Russian army could be at Kiev within various periods of time. I recall seeing as little as 48 hours. Guess what happened?
Suffering serious losses, the Russians got their asses kicked.
Now Putin says there is no threat to Russia if Sweden and Finland join NATO. The threat to Russia comes if NATO bolsters the military infrastructure of the two countries.
From the linked article:
"As to enlargement, Russia has no problem with these states - none. And so in this sense there is no immediate threat to Russia from an expansion (of NATO) to include these countries..."
"But the expansion of military infrastructure into this territory would certainly provoke our response.."
I guess Putin thinks he's giving Finland and Sweden his approval to join NATO as if both countries needed his approval before doing any thing.
https://ca.yahoo.com/news/russia-calls-finland-sweden-joining-070020609.html
Contrarian, I think your memory is failing you. It happens, you're old, and you're on meds.
As I recall there were pro-Putin types who were giddy that Russia could take Kyiv in 72 hours. That certainly did not happen.....
Could being the word. Going in soft with minimum casualties takes longer. They could have just flattened it but chose not to.
I do not know about anyone else's mantra. I said what I meant, 1/3 of the BTGs combat ineffectiveOh splitting hairs are we?
also, I did not write 20,000+ dead. quote properly
At least be a man and own up to your words:
What cost can the world place on the US to that will make sure it does not
invade any of the dozens of countries it has invaded previously again or
invade other countries?
Irrelevant, this is about Russia invading and threatening to invade the
neighbors. This is not about the Brits subjugating the Indians or throwing
Gandhi in jail.
Stay on point.
Finland is going to become a significantly more risky place to live than it was last week. And it's the Finns who made it happen.
Finland, much more than Sweden, has made a target of itself. However, I doubt that there are any generals in Moscow shuffling through files of planning documents to pull out the 'Invade Finland plan.
As I wrote elsewhere, the Russians will not militarise a currently unmilitarised border - and so too will Finland.
Taking the requisite steps will cost Finland in both money and manpower terms. I guess it will be proportionality more costly for Finland than for Russia, who will be able to do as Wiz suggested.
However, in the event of a spreading conflict, then Finland will be pulled into events that they really, really, do not want to be and those missiles will be hitting Finnish assets and making peasants of people whose great grandparents were peasants. Back to the forests and deer for Pekka and Paivi!
Yeah, I know; the Finns have built impressive bomb shelters under Helsinki and other population centres and, they are truly impressive. Much of the construction is currently used for shops, car parking, sports centres and many other things. Apartment blocks have nuclear shelters in the basement where people store their bikes and dirty mattresses.
But they won't need those. There won't be nuclear radiation probably not even much bombing of cities.
Finland is going to become a significantly more risky place to live than it was last week. And it's the Finns who made it happen.
Finland, much more than Sweden, has made a target of itself. However, I doubt that there are any generals in Moscow shuffling through files of planning documents to pull out the 'Invade Finland plan.
As I wrote elsewhere, the Russians will not militarise a currently unmilitarised border - and so too will Finland.
Taking the requisite steps will cost Finland in both money and manpower terms. I guess it will be proportionality more costly for Finland than for Russia, who will be able to do as Wiz suggested.
However, in the event of a spreading conflict, then Finland will be pulled into events that they really, really, do not want to be and those missiles will be hitting Finnish assets and making peasants of people whose great grandparents were peasants. Back to the forests and deer for Pekka and Paivi!
Yeah, I know; the Finns have built impressive bomb shelters under Helsinki and other population centres and, they are truly impressive. Much of the construction is currently used for shops, car parking, sports centres and many other things. Apartment blocks have nuclear shelters in the basement where people store their bikes and dirty mattresses.
But they won't need those. There won't be nuclear radiation probably not even much bombing of cities.
Finland is going to become a significantly more risky place to live than it was last week. And it's the Finns who made it happen.
No body want to have a good relationship with an aggressive Nazi government like Russia. There is no way to tell who Russia will want to invade next. Finland and Sweden see like it is. Wake up there is nothing normal about the Russian government and it's genocide in Ukraine.
Finland, much more than Sweden, has made a target of itself. However, I doubt that there are any generals in Moscow shuffling through files of planning documents to pull out the 'Invade Finland plan.
As I wrote elsewhere, the Russians will not militarise a currently unmilitarised border - and so too will Finland.
Taking the requisite steps will cost Finland in both money and manpower terms. I guess it will be proportionality more costly for Finland than for Russia, who will be able to do as Wiz suggested.
However, in the event of a spreading conflict, then Finland will be pulled into events that they really, really, do not want to be and those missiles will be hitting Finnish assets and making peasants of people whose great grandparents were peasants. Back to the forests and deer for Pekka and Paivi!
Yeah, I know; the Finns have built impressive bomb shelters under Helsinki and other population centres and, they are truly impressive. Much of the construction is currently used for shops, car parking, sports centres and many other things. Apartment blocks have nuclear shelters in the basement where people store their bikes and dirty mattresses.
But they won't need those. There won't be nuclear radiation probably not even much bombing of cities.
Finland is going to become a significantly more risky place to live than it was last week. And it's the Finns who made it happen.
Finland, much more than Sweden, has made a target of itself. However, I doubt that there are any generals in Moscow shuffling through files of planning documents to pull out the 'Invade Finland plan.
As I wrote elsewhere, the Russians will not militarise a currently unmilitarised border - and so too will Finland.
Taking the requisite steps will cost Finland in both money and manpower terms. I guess it will be proportionality more costly for Finland than for Russia, who will be able to do as Wiz suggested.
However, in the event of a spreading conflict, then Finland will be pulled into events that they really, really, do not want to be and those missiles will be hitting Finnish assets and making peasants of people whose great grandparents were peasants. Back to the forests and deer for Pekka and Paivi!
Yeah, I know; the Finns have built impressive bomb shelters under Helsinki and other population centres and, they are truly impressive. Much of the construction is currently used for shops, car parking, sports centres and many other things. Apartment blocks have nuclear shelters in the basement where people store their bikes and dirty mattresses.
But they won't need those. There won't be nuclear radiation probably not even much bombing of cities.
Finland is going to become a significantly more risky place to live than it was last week. And it's the Finns who made it happen.
No body want to have a good relationship with an aggressive Nazi government like Russia. There is no way to tell who Russia will want to invade next. Finland and Sweden see like it is. Wake up there is nothing normal about the Russian government and it's genocide in Ukraine.
Tex can you give me your views on the war in Yemen ? 500,000 dead so far women and children.. what do you think about this war that has been raging for about 6 years.. Your country supplies the arms to the Saudi regime along with the UK.. How do you feel about them killing not a few hundred .. not a few thousand.. but HUNDREDS of thousands of children every day all day every week on and on.. What have you to say about that war then>>
What is going on in Ukraine? Its kids play..like playground stuff compared to Yemen..
Westcoast.
Quality burgers and fries from Mcdonalds?
The usa could only hope all.these fast food franchises would pull out of here..
😉
Westcoast.
Quality burgers and fries from Mcdonalds?
The usa could only hope all.these fast food franchises would pull out of here..
😉
the USA and a few other sane countries to do their best to come to the aid of Ukraine and help them rid themselves of the Russian terrorists. :coffeeread:
Stop drinking. It does you no good. :drunk:
You're confusing me with yourself. I rarely touch any alcohol and when I do it's a small amount.
Unlike you when you admitted you got arrested and put in jail after a night out drinking with your mates.
So really what is your excuse for all the obviously over the top dishonest pro-Nazi Russian propaganda?
You do know that the Russian Nazi mercenaries known as Wagner committed horrible crimes in Bucha and were recorded and it was played in German parliament, don't you?
Time for somebody to face up to some cold hard truths.
How is it that in cities known for world class food, McDonald's in Paris and Rome are busy during mealtimes?
Westcoast.
Quality burgers and fries from Mcdonalds?
The usa could only hope all.these fast food franchises would pull out of here..
😉
When I travel I like to do the McDonald's taste test. I eat at a local McDonald's in foreign countries to see if foreign McDonald's taste like McDonald's at home. I also like to try local specialties that foreign McDonald's offer.
Can't speak for Russia however I've been to most of the major cities in Europe at least once. Cities like London, Paris, Rome, Zurich, Berlin and many others. In every city during mealtime McDonald's is busy. How is it that in cities known for world class food, McDonald's in Paris and Rome are busy during mealtimes?
Even in Asia in cities like Tokyo, Nagoya, Osaka, Beijing, Seoul and others, the same thing, McDonald's is busy. The customers are not fat Americans or Brits, the customers are locals. If McDonald's food is so universally bad why are locals around the world eating there and not at home or at local restaurants?
Westcoast.
Quality burgers and fries from Mcdonalds?
The usa could only hope all.these fast food franchises would pull out of here..
😉
When I travel I like to do the McDonald's taste test. I eat at a local McDonald's in foreign countries to see if foreign McDonald's taste like McDonald's at home. I also like to try local specialties that foreign McDonald's offer.
Can't speak for Russia however I've been to most of the major cities in Europe at least once. Cities like London, Paris, Rome, Zurich, Berlin and many others. In every city during mealtime McDonald's is busy. How is it that in cities known for world class food, McDonald's in Paris and Rome are busy during mealtimes?
Even in Asia in cities like Tokyo, Nagoya, Osaka, Beijing, Seoul and others, the same thing, McDonald's is busy. The customers are not fat Americans or Brits, the customers are locals. If McDonald's food is so universally bad why are locals around the world eating there and not at home or at local restaurants?
Lol i was joking!!!
And certainly one of the busiest places in many fsu cities are the McDonalds
I have tried them out of morbid curiousity. ,however i avoid the place like the plague at home,as indeed any.local sit down restuarant or home cooking is far more appealing to me,even little hole in the wall joints
In foreign places i particularly want to search put local cuisine..
If mcdonalds fell off the face of the earth i wouldnt miss it at all.
I eat there once to twice a year max.
I recognize thats a personal.thing and that they are.indeed highly successful.for a reason. People like it.
I've just never understood why.
Wiz, Is correct there is a convention regarding passage in the Baltic Sea. I want to call it the Helsinki agreement but I think it has a different name.Finland is going to become a significantly more risky place to live than it was last week. And it's the Finns who made it happen.
If Russia did not invade Ukraine in February this discussion would not be happening.
high quality Big Macs and fries?
All i know, so far, the Russians always respect their signature........unlike our hegemons from over the pond!
According to AvHdB the Americans who live in a perpetual Dept.....
The nazis in the steel plant have surrendered, and are all out now.
Westcoast.
Quality burgers and fries from Mcdonalds?
The usa could only hope all.these fast food franchises would pull out of here..
😉
When I travel I like to do the McDonald's taste test. I eat at a local McDonald's in foreign countries to see if foreign McDonald's taste like McDonald's at home. I also like to try local specialties that foreign McDonald's offer.
Can't speak for Russia however I've been to most of the major cities in Europe at least once. Cities like London, Paris, Rome, Zurich, Berlin and many others. In every city during mealtime McDonald's is busy. How is it that in cities known for world class food, McDonald's in Paris and Rome are busy during mealtimes?
Even in Asia in cities like Tokyo, Nagoya, Osaka, Beijing, Seoul and others, the same thing, McDonald's is busy. The customers are not fat Americans or Brits, the customers are locals. If McDonald's food is so universally bad why are locals around the world eating there and not at home or at local restaurants?
Lol i was joking!!!
And certainly one of the busiest places in many fsu cities are the McDonalds
I have tried them out of morbid curiousity. ,however i avoid the place like the plague at home,as indeed any.local sit down restuarant or home cooking is far more appealing to me,even little hole in the wall joints
In foreign places i particularly want to search put local cuisine..
If mcdonalds fell off the face of the earth i wouldnt miss it at all.
I eat there once to twice a year max.
I recognize thats a personal.thing and that they are.indeed highly successful.for a reason. People like it.
I've just never understood why.
I have been to the McDonalds in Moscow, long ago. But I do recall while always busy the Golden Arches in Kyiv served a rather good cup of coffee.
So far this year I have avoided McDonald and all there ilk. I find the food on so many levels unacceptable. A far better meal can be had at most dinners. The owners tend to be Greek and they can cook.
I have been to the McDonalds in Moscow, long ago. But I do recall while always busy the Golden Arches in Kyiv served a rather good cup of coffee.
So far this year I have avoided McDonald and all there ilk. I find the food on so many levels unacceptable. A far better meal can be had at most dinners. The owners tend to be Greek and they can cook.
Purely a coincidence, but my favorite Diner in the Chicago area is "The Commander" - Greek owned. :king:
My Clever russian wife.... has installed in her Mobile TELEGRAM USED mostly (as far as I know in Russia) and on daily basiwsens me video of teh events in Ukraine.
Yesterday she send me video wshowing all teh sick AZOV fighters coming out.....and today she showed me a live transmission of the Azov fighters comming out and searched by teh Russian soldiers.
I can see these video on my large screen but don't know how to convert them for Youtube etec....Any clever clock to do something so our American friends can see live the nes and stop posting porky pies...LIES.
This may healp you:
I have been to the McDonalds in Moscow, long ago. But I do recall while always busy the Golden Arches in Kyiv served a rather good cup of coffee.
So far this year I have avoided McDonald and all there ilk. I find the food on so many levels unacceptable. A far better meal can be had at most dinners. The owners tend to be Greek and they can cook.
Purely a coincidence, but my favorite Diner in the Chicago area is "The Commander" - Greek owned. :king:
I used to like the ‘service’ from Ed Debvic’s in Chicago. Food was not so bad either.
I have been to the McDonalds in Moscow, long ago. But I do recall while always busy the Golden Arches in Kyiv served a rather good cup of coffee.
So far this year I have avoided McDonald and all there ilk. I find the food on so many levels unacceptable. A far better meal can be had at most dinners. The owners tend to be Greek and they can cook.
Purely a coincidence, but my favorite Diner in the Chicago area is "The Commander" - Greek owned. :king:
I used to like the ‘service’ from Ed Debvic’s in Chicago. Food was not so bad either.
My Clever russian wife.... has installed in her Mobile TELEGRAM USED mostly (as far as I know in Russia) and on daily basiwsens me video of teh events in Ukraine.
Yesterday she send me video wshowing all teh sick AZOV fighters coming out.....and today she showed me a live transmission of the Azov fighters comming out and searched by teh Russian soldiers.
I can see these video on my large screen but don't know how to convert them for Youtube etec....Any clever clock to do something so our American friends can see live the nes and stop posting porky pies...LIES.
This may healp you:
Many of us watch telegram regularly,even back.in 14 when wagner/seperartist posted their mutilations,executions of pro ukrainians on mariupol outskirts.
(Before azov formed in responce)
So telegram like any such platform can be used for confirmation bias of a position one already holds.
Or one can look at a wide.range of vids from there from many sources.
Thanks for sharing
I am surprised to hear American's fancy eating more Greek food then their usual McDonalds :)Thanks wiz!
So now I will make you an offer that you cannot refuse!
All of you, who know, how to cook, you can try the recepies, that I have published on my Greek Cookery site! It is FREE and for a week you can practice cooking a different recipe and then you decide, what to do next!
(http://www.greekcooking.uk/banner.jpg) (http://www.greekcooking.uk/index.html)
First click the Image above to visit my web site! Right in the middle there is a link RECIPE OF THE DAY. At that section you will find a new recipe every day for the next 7 days. After you try your cooking abilities, it is up to you!
I am surprised to hear American's fancy eating more Greek food then their usual McDonalds :)
So now I will make you an offer that you cannot refuse!
All of you, who know, how to cook, you can try the recepies, that I have published on my Greek Cookery site! It is FREE and for a week you can practice cooking a different recipe and then you decide, what to do next!
(http://www.greekcooking.uk/banner.jpg) (http://www.greekcooking.uk/index.html)
First click the Image above to visit my web site! Right in the middle there is a link RECIPE OF THE DAY. At that section you will find a new recipe every day for the next 7 days. After you try your cooking abilities, it is up to you!
I am surprised to hear American's fancy eating more Greek food then their usual McDonalds :)
So now I will make you an offer that you cannot refuse!
All of you, who know, how to cook, you can try the recepies, that I have published on my Greek Cookery site! It is FREE and for a week you can practice cooking a different recipe and then you decide, what to do next!
(http://www.greekcooking.uk/banner.jpg) (http://www.greekcooking.uk/index.html)
First click the Image above to visit my web site! Right in the middle there is a link RECIPE OF THE DAY. At that section you will find a new recipe every day for the next 7 days. After you try your cooking abilities, it is up to you!
I will vouch as long as you have medium cooking skills it is well written and quite simple. If you need a thermometer to see if you have boiled the water do not attempt these recipes.
Whoa Did NOT See this one Coming... Sounds a bit like a Wizzbanger conspiracy fantasy really...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/vladimir-putin-s-secret-grandchild-is-a-zelensky-says-report/ar-AAXwmBY?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=5daa73dca37840bf8978dd7b8331e437
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Cuffy, Wiz runs his site from Microsoft95! Compliments to him. tiphat
He probably could get today a great job managing in my opinion this shit OS. The only experience I have, it was amazingly prone to crashing.
While not an expert, I suspect Cuffy your settings are set to a very high standard, in other words what are you afraid of, grilled eggplant?
Mr "Einstein" for your information, Yes, I designed my site on an old Laptop which was running windows "95" and later I upgrated to windows XP, but as Mark told you who cares about an old certificate that is out of date? Only devious people like you!
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Mr "Einstein" for your information, Yes, I designed my site on an old Laptop which was running windows "95" and later I upgrated to windows XP, but as Mark told you who cares about an old certificate that is out of date? Only devious people like you!
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Ok, a reality check. An expired certificate does not inspire trust and confidence in a web site. From a 20+ year CIS professor with tenure at a public college.
Mr "Einstein" for your information, Yes, I designed my site on an old Laptop which was running windows "95" and later I upgrated to windows XP, but as Mark told you who cares about an old certificate that is out of date? Only devious people like you!
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Ok, a reality check. An expired certificate does not inspire trust and confidence in a web site. From a 20+ year CIS professor with tenure at a public college.
The real and true reason for the Ukraine war is just a 'rehearsal' to 'test and go up against NATO weapons'. This is according to Alexei Fenenko, a research fellow at the Institute of International Security Studies.
If this is true then by now Putin must be shaking in his boots. He must have realized how backward and old his military weapons are compared to anything NATO has. Putin must also have realized how non existent his logistics and communications between the various military branches are compared to NATO. Probably the most important thing Putin has learned by now is that his conscription military is no match for the various militaries of NATO.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/russian-state-tv-guest-says-143756652.html
The real and true reason for the Ukraine war is just a 'rehearsal' to 'test and go up against NATO weapons'. This is according to Alexei Fenenko, a research fellow at the Institute of International Security Studies.
If this is true then by now Putin must be shaking in his boots. He must have realized how backward and old his military weapons are compared to anything NATO has. Putin must also have realized how non existent his logistics and communications between the various military branches are compared to NATO. Probably the most important thing Putin has learned by now is that his conscription military is no match for the various militaries of NATO.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/russian-state-tv-guest-says-143756652.html
Are you retired? You must be single for sure ?
The real and true reason for the Ukraine war is just a 'rehearsal' to 'test and go up against NATO weapons'. This is according to Alexei Fenenko, a research fellow at the Institute of International Security Studies.
If this is true then by now Putin must be shaking in his boots. He must have realized how backward and old his military weapons are compared to anything NATO has. Putin must also have realized how non existent his logistics and communications between the various military branches are compared to NATO. Probably the most important thing Putin has learned by now is that his conscription military is no match for the various militaries of NATO.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/russian-state-tv-guest-says-143756652.html
Are you retired? You must be single for sure ?
The real and true reason for the Ukraine war is just a 'rehearsal' to 'test and go up against NATO weapons'. This is according to Alexei Fenenko, a research fellow at the Institute of International Security Studies.
If this is true then by now Putin must be shaking in his boots. He must have realized how backward and old his military weapons are compared to anything NATO has. Putin must also have realized how non existent his logistics and communications between the various military branches are compared to NATO. Probably the most important thing Putin has learned by now is that his conscription military is no match for the various militaries of NATO.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/russian-state-tv-guest-says-143756652.html
Are you retired? You must be single for sure ?
The word is retarded not retired
The real and true reason for the Ukraine war is just a 'rehearsal' to 'test and go up against NATO weapons'. This is according to Alexei Fenenko, a research fellow at the Institute of International Security Studies.
If this is true then by now Putin must be shaking in his boots. He must have realized how backward and old his military weapons are compared to anything NATO has. Putin must also have realized how non existent his logistics and communications between the various military branches are compared to NATO. Probably the most important thing Putin has learned by now is that his conscription military is no match for the various militaries of NATO.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/russian-state-tv-guest-says-143756652.html
Are you retired? You must be single for sure ?
The word is retarded not retired
Yankee are you saying I made up the news? I did post a link.
Ok, a reality check. An expired certificate does not inspire trust and confidence in a web site. From a 20+ year CIS professor with tenure at a public college.
The real and true reason for the Ukraine war is just a 'rehearsal' to 'test and go up against NATO weapons'. This is according to Alexei Fenenko, a research fellow at the Institute of International Security Studies.
If this is true then by now Putin must be shaking in his boots. He must have realized how backward and old his military weapons are compared to anything NATO has. Putin must also have realized how non existent his logistics and communications between the various military branches are compared to NATO. Probably the most important thing Putin has learned by now is that his conscription military is no match for the various militaries of NATO.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/russian-state-tv-guest-says-143756652.html
Are you retired? You must be single for sure ?
The word is retarded not retired
Yankee are you saying I made up the news? I did post a link.
No West coast, he is saying he cannot deal with the truth. He cannot deal with the truth that real Nazi are in the Russian government and Russia is no match for Nato.
The real and true reason for the Ukraine war is just a 'rehearsal' to 'test and go up against NATO weapons'. This is according to Alexei Fenenko, a research fellow at the Institute of International Security Studies.
If this is true then by now Putin must be shaking in his boots. He must have realized how backward and old his military weapons are compared to anything NATO has. Putin must also have realized how non existent his logistics and communications between the various military branches are compared to NATO. Probably the most important thing Putin has learned by now is that his conscription military is no match for the various militaries of NATO.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/russian-state-tv-guest-says-143756652.html
Are you retired? You must be single for sure ?
I was retired a number of years ago. Now I've gone back to work however most of the work is WFH stuff so yes lots of computer work. Not single.
The real and true reason for the Ukraine war is just a 'rehearsal' to 'test and go up against NATO weapons'. This is according to Alexei Fenenko, a research fellow at the Institute of International Security Studies.
If this is true then by now Putin must be shaking in his boots. He must have realized how backward and old his military weapons are compared to anything NATO has. Putin must also have realized how non existent his logistics and communications between the various military branches are compared to NATO. Probably the most important thing Putin has learned by now is that his conscription military is no match for the various militaries of NATO.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/russian-state-tv-guest-says-143756652.html
Are you retired? You must be single for sure ?
I was retired a number of years ago. Now I've gone back to work however most of the work is WFH stuff so yes lots of computer work. Not single.
How do you manage then to actually do any work? Or you just work part time? I would presume you have 0 sex life at the same time ?
If you'r not single and your out for say a dinner at a restaurant do you have to keep popping out to the toilet to check the wi fi and see if you can find any more articles about Russia? I guess when your down under the sheets your also on the tablet looking for more articles on Russia.. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
The real and true reason for the Ukraine war is just a 'rehearsal' to 'test and go up against NATO weapons'. This is according to Alexei Fenenko, a research fellow at the Institute of International Security Studies.
If this is true then by now Putin must be shaking in his boots. He must have realized how backward and old his military weapons are compared to anything NATO has. Putin must also have realized how non existent his logistics and communications between the various military branches are compared to NATO. Probably the most important thing Putin has learned by now is that his conscription military is no match for the various militaries of NATO.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/russian-state-tv-guest-says-143756652.html
Are you retired? You must be single for sure ?
The word is retarded not retired
Yankee are you saying I made up the news? I did post a link.
No West coast, he is saying he cannot deal with the truth. He cannot deal with the truth that real Nazi are in the Russian government and Russia is no match for Nato.
Texan77 that's certainly true. All he has to do is read a wide variety of news. Even senior Russian military veterans are saying the Russian military is no match for NATO. It might be uncomfortable to say Russia is no match for NATO but it is the truth. Perhaps if Putin realizes this he will keep his troops in Russia?
Texan77 that's certainly true. All he has to do is read a wide variety of news. Even senior Russian military veterans are saying the Russian military is no match for NATO. It might be uncomfortable to say Russia is no match for NATO but it is the truth. Perhaps if Putin realizes this he will keep his troops in Russia?
The real and true reason for the Ukraine war is just a 'rehearsal' to 'test and go up against NATO weapons'. This is according to Alexei Fenenko, a research fellow at the Institute of International Security Studies.
If this is true then by now Putin must be shaking in his boots. He must have realized how backward and old his military weapons are compared to anything NATO has. Putin must also have realized how non existent his logistics and communications between the various military branches are compared to NATO. Probably the most important thing Putin has learned by now is that his conscription military is no match for the various militaries of NATO.
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/russian-state-tv-guest-says-143756652.html
Are you retired? You must be single for sure ?
The word is retarded not retired
Yankee are you saying I made up the news? I did post a link.
No West coast, he is saying he cannot deal with the truth. He cannot deal with the truth that real Nazi are in the Russian government and Russia is no match for Nato.
Texan77 that's certainly true. All he has to do is read a wide variety of news. Even senior Russian military veterans are saying the Russian military is no match for NATO. It might be uncomfortable to say Russia is no match for NATO but it is the truth. Perhaps if Putin realizes this he will keep his troops in Russia?
Amazing the amound of crap that is posted around here from the very "Manly" ganksters and heroes (Gun Killers) from USA !
1) Has any of you thought or know to tell us what was the REAL Purpose for the Creation of NATO just after the WWII?
2) What were the conditions in the Agreement signed by the German Army Leaders with the leaders of the Allies after the capitulation of the German Army?
3) Has any of you read the book by Gerd-Helmut Komossa (Gerd-Helmut Komossa. DIE DEUTSCHE KARTE.
Watch this video and then go search in the interenet.....rhis rirle!BERLIN IS WASHINGTON'S VASSAL UNTIL 2099?
Then comeback to talk about your achievemnets in Germany and teh rest of the eorld..."Killers of the people around teh world"
All you know is how to kill millions of innocent people!
Yes yes Wiz, the world had no wars or people being killed prior to the estblishment of America.
The Greeks and British killed noone, just traded olive branches, and white doves.
It seems to bother you that America simply learned from the greatest examples of the past.
Ukraine gave it it's best shot in Mariupol and lost. It's inevitable that they will lose the entire war but the West is injecting 40+ billion in an attempt to prolong the war and get more people killed. With the West not contributing troops, Ukraine isn't going to win but the West will reward Zelensky with a $35 million dollar mansion in Florida as long as he prolongs the war. Maybe Biden and his puppet masters want Ukraine to be the next 10 year Vietnam with no real goal to win?
Ukraine gave it it's best shot in Mariupol and lost. It's inevitable that they will lose the entire war but the West is injecting 40+ billion in an attempt to prolong the war and get more people killed. With the West not contributing troops, Ukraine isn't going to win but the West will reward Zelensky with a $35 million dollar mansion in Florida as long as he prolongs the war. Maybe Biden and his puppet masters want Ukraine to be the next 10 year Vietnam with no real goal to win?
Billy you're an American you know that's not the reason for the $40 billion military aid package. Along with the $40 billion aid package is going to come conditions on the US military receiving all sorts of information on how the military weapons performed in real world war conditions. Any problems with the weapons will mean the weapons can be sent to Poland and the American military can see the results first hand and perform any needed repairs and return the weapons to the battlefield in Ukraine. This is something that no amount of testing can cover.
Billy of course wants Ukraine to surrender to Russia to avoid any more Ukrainian and more importantly Russian deaths. If Russia were to invade the US Billy would say just surrender to Putin to avoid having any Americans and Russians killed.
Ukraine gave it it's best shot in Mariupol and lost. It's inevitable that they will lose the entire war but the West is injecting 40+ billion in an attempt to prolong the war and get more people killed. With the West not contributing troops, Ukraine isn't going to win but the West will reward Zelensky with a $35 million dollar mansion in Florida as long as he prolongs the war. Maybe Biden and his puppet masters want Ukraine to be the next 10 year Vietnam with no real goal to win?
Billy you're an American you know that's not the reason for the $40 billion military aid package. Along with the $40 billion aid package is going to come conditions on the US military receiving all sorts of information on how the military weapons performed in real world war conditions. Any problems with the weapons will mean the weapons can be sent to Poland and the American military can see the results first hand and perform any needed repairs and return the weapons to the battlefield in Ukraine. This is something that no amount of testing can cover.
Billy of course wants Ukraine to surrender to Russia to avoid any more Ukrainian and more importantly Russian deaths. If Russia were to invade the US Billy would say just surrender to Putin to avoid having any Americans and Russians killed.
Westcoast have you actually been to Russia? How many times and how long for?
Ukraine gave it it's best shot in Mariupol and lost. It's inevitable that they will lose the entire war but the West is injecting 40+ billion in an attempt to prolong the war and get more people killed. With the West not contributing troops, Ukraine isn't going to win but the West will reward Zelensky with a $35 million dollar mansion in Florida as long as he prolongs the war. Maybe Biden and his puppet masters want Ukraine to be the next 10 year Vietnam with no real goal to win?
Billy you're an American you know that's not the reason for the $40 billion military aid package. Along with the $40 billion aid package is going to come conditions on the US military receiving all sorts of information on how the military weapons performed in real world war conditions. Any problems with the weapons will mean the weapons can be sent to Poland and the American military can see the results first hand and perform any needed repairs and return the weapons to the battlefield in Ukraine. This is something that no amount of testing can cover.
Billy of course wants Ukraine to surrender to Russia to avoid any more Ukrainian and more importantly Russian deaths. If Russia were to invade the US Billy would say just surrender to Putin to avoid having any Americans and Russians killed.
Westcoast have you actually been to Russia? How many times and how long for?
Never been to Russia. Please tell me about Russia from your viewpoint.
If Russia were to invade the US Billy would say just surrender to Putin to avoid having any Americans and Russians killed.
If Russia were to invade the US Billy would say just surrender to Putin to avoid having any Americans and Russians killed.
Now you're making stuff up. For years, I've criticized Putin on forums. I think the Russian people will be more prosperous without him. But even he being a bad guy, he has the right to protect his interests in his neighborhood. If you enter into a bad guy's house, he has the right to shoot you. Him being a bad guy doesn't give you the right to violate his rights.
I've listened to Putin's concerns and he has valid concerns. The West promised Russia they won't move NATO east if Russia allows for German reunification. The West lied. Putin is concerned Nazis are allowed to be armed in Ukraine. That is true and that is alarming. Putin is concerned there are biolabs funded by Soros and the American government in Ukraine, Georgia, and Kazakhstan studying dangerous pathogens such as coronaviruses and the plague. After American lab funded research caused COVID due to intentional release, Putin has the right to be concerned and I seriously doubt Putin intends to kill and make lives miserable for more people around the world than our virus has done.
I'd like to believe our government is good but truth is it's criminal and if you continue to support criminal activities, that says something about you.Billy you realize that the Russian government is a Mafia state? You're supporting a Mafia state what does that say about you?
I joined the Army during the first Gulf War. My dad joined the Army during the Vietnam War. May grandfather joined the Navy during WWII and my great grandfather joined the Army during WWI. I have ancestors that joined the Army during the Civil War. I come from a family that seems to only join the military when it matters most because we love this county but that doesn't mean we have to love the people running this country. When I was younger, I bought into the idea we are going to bring Democracy to Somalia, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, and Syria. We've been lied to. You're being lied to about Ukraine if you think our current government actually cares about the people there. I care about the people of Ukraine more than you do and to save lives we should back off, tell Zelensky to give up so Russia stops the war. America misbehaved in Ukraine and Putin is not taking it anymore. If Putin surrounds America with biolabs, chemical weapons factories and nuke sites in Canada, Mexico, or Cuba, we are likely to go to war too and we will stay in any of those countries as long as we like, we will do want we want, and we would win regardless if propaganda media is saying Canada, Mexico or Cuba is kicking our butts.
Ukraine gave it it's best shot in Mariupol and lost. It's inevitable that they will lose the entire war but the West is injecting 40+ billion in an attempt to prolong the war and get more people killed. With the West not contributing troops, Ukraine isn't going to win but the West will reward Zelensky with a $35 million dollar mansion in Florida as long as he prolongs the war. Maybe Biden and his puppet masters want Ukraine to be the next 10 year Vietnam with no real goal to win?
Billy you're an American you know that's not the reason for the $40 billion military aid package. Along with the $40 billion aid package is going to come conditions on the US military receiving all sorts of information on how the military weapons performed in real world war conditions. Any problems with the weapons will mean the weapons can be sent to Poland and the American military can see the results first hand and perform any needed repairs and return the weapons to the battlefield in Ukraine. This is something that no amount of testing can cover.
Billy of course wants Ukraine to surrender to Russia to avoid any more Ukrainian and more importantly Russian deaths. If Russia were to invade the US Billy would say just surrender to Putin to avoid having any Americans and Russians killed.
Westcoast have you actually been to Russia? How many times and how long for?
Never been to Russia. Please tell me about Russia from your viewpoint.
I do not think giving you my view point will help.. In fact I do not think anything will help you.. Will just let you carry on your arm chair expertise about a country you have never visited or know anything about.. keep it up :thumbsup:
Billy of course wants Ukraine to surrender to Russia to avoid any more Ukrainian and more importantly Russian deaths. If Russia were to invade the US Billy would say just surrender to Putin to avoid having any Americans and Russians killed.
Billy of course wants Ukraine to surrender to Russia to avoid any more Ukrainian and more importantly Russian deaths. If Russia were to invade the US Billy would say just surrender to Putin to avoid having any Americans and Russians killed.
Billy was extremely hardline against Russia in the past after 2014. It seems his mindset has evolved since then.
Overall, I think this would have turned out way better if the West had let Ukraine remain a bit of a puppet for Russia. They will now wind up being dead or destroyed instead, and in the end whatever remains will still be controlled by Russia. Even more so then before the war actually. The US is going to suffer serious economic consequences if gas remains at 5.81 a gallon like I paid this morning.
Lots of wasted resources, and blown up weapons and people. From the beginning, didn't it seem obvious that Russia would pull out all stops and go all in?
Jonas!
If Ukraine had remained a puppet of Russia, why wouldn't Russia have then taken over Moldova? After all if Russia had control of Ukraine and all its resources and military taking over Moldova would be easy.
Then of course there's Finland. If Russia had taken over Ukraine and Moldova why wouldn't Putin have taken over Finland? After taking over Ukraine and Moldova with no interference from the west why wouldn't Putin have moved in and taken over Finland and perhaps maybe even moved in and taken over Sweden?
Ukraine gave it it's best shot in Mariupol and lost. It's inevitable that they will lose the entire war but the West is injecting 40+ billion in an attempt to prolong the war and get more people killed. With the West not contributing troops, Ukraine isn't going to win but the West will reward Zelensky with a $35 million dollar mansion in Florida as long as he prolongs the war. Maybe Biden and his puppet masters want Ukraine to be the next 10 year Vietnam with no real goal to win?
Billy you're an American you know that's not the reason for the $40 billion military aid package. Along with the $40 billion aid package is going to come conditions on the US military receiving all sorts of information on how the military weapons performed in real world war conditions. Any problems with the weapons will mean the weapons can be sent to Poland and the American military can see the results first hand and perform any needed repairs and return the weapons to the battlefield in Ukraine. This is something that no amount of testing can cover.
Billy of course wants Ukraine to surrender to Russia to avoid any more Ukrainian and more importantly Russian deaths. If Russia were to invade the US Billy would say just surrender to Putin to avoid having any Americans and Russians killed.
Westcoast have you actually been to Russia? How many times and how long for?
Never been to Russia. Please tell me about Russia from your viewpoint.
I do not think giving you my view point will help.. In fact I do not think anything will help you.. Will just let you carry on your arm chair expertise about a country you have never visited or know anything about.. keep it up :thumbsup:
Steveboy why is it that all the western members of the former USSR and Warsaw Pact joined the EU and NATO when the USSR broke up? Do you really think you know more about Russia than these countries?
All governments lie that's a reality. My government in Canada lies on a regular basis. If we vote in a different party they'll lie to us.
Billy even you must realize if Ukraine gives up, Russia will take over Ukraine. Prior to the war Ukraine was known as the bread basket of Europe. There's lots of oil and gas in Ukraine. Having Ukraine would mean Russia could exercise control over its off shore rights in the Black Sea and Sea of Azov. Then of course there's Moldova. If Putin takes over Ukraine, why wouldn't he take over Moldova?
Ukraine gave it it's best shot in Mariupol and lost. It's inevitable that they will lose the entire war but the West is injecting 40+ billion in an attempt to prolong the war and get more people killed. With the West not contributing troops, Ukraine isn't going to win but the West will reward Zelensky with a $35 million dollar mansion in Florida as long as he prolongs the war. Maybe Biden and his puppet masters want Ukraine to be the next 10 year Vietnam with no real goal to win?
Ukraine gave it it's best shot in Mariupol and lost. It's inevitable that they will lose the entire war but the West is injecting 40+ billion in an attempt to prolong the war and get more people killed. With the West not contributing troops, Ukraine isn't going to win but the West will reward Zelensky with a $35 million dollar mansion in Florida as long as he prolongs the war. Maybe Biden and his puppet masters want Ukraine to be the next 10 year Vietnam with no real goal to win?
Billy you're an American you know that's not the reason for the $40 billion military aid package. Along with the $40 billion aid package is going to come conditions on the US military receiving all sorts of information on how the military weapons performed in real world war conditions. Any problems with the weapons will mean the weapons can be sent to Poland and the American military can see the results first hand and perform any needed repairs and return the weapons to the battlefield in Ukraine. This is something that no amount of testing can cover.
Billy of course wants Ukraine to surrender to Russia to avoid any more Ukrainian and more importantly Russian deaths. If Russia were to invade the US Billy would say just surrender to Putin to avoid having any Americans and Russians killed.
Westcoast have you actually been to Russia? How many times and how long for?
Never been to Russia. Please tell me about Russia from your viewpoint.
All governments lie that's a reality. My government in Canada lies on a regular basis. If we vote in a different party they'll lie to us.
Billy even you must realize if Ukraine gives up, Russia will take over Ukraine. Prior to the war Ukraine was known as the bread basket of Europe. There's lots of oil and gas in Ukraine. Having Ukraine would mean Russia could exercise control over its off shore rights in the Black Sea and Sea of Azov. Then of course there's Moldova. If Putin takes over Ukraine, why wouldn't he take over Moldova?
Professor, please give one good reason (such as Putin gave for invading Ukraine) Russia should invade Moldova.
All governments lie that's a reality. My government in Canada lies on a regular basis. If we vote in a different party they'll lie to us.
Billy even you must realize if Ukraine gives up, Russia will take over Ukraine. Prior to the war Ukraine was known as the bread basket of Europe. There's lots of oil and gas in Ukraine. Having Ukraine would mean Russia could exercise control over its off shore rights in the Black Sea and Sea of Azov. Then of course there's Moldova. If Putin takes over Ukraine, why wouldn't he take over Moldova?
Professor, please give one good reason (such as Putin gave for invading Ukraine) Russia should invade Moldova.
Transnistria , part of moldova as you know, would not exist if not for russian troops initially, continued russian troop presence ,and russia pooring millions into it annually since 91. Thats a generation.
There is more than a tad cringe and irony in you mentioning why russia would want to interfer in moldova.
(:)
But carry on....
All governments lie that's a reality. My government in Canada lies on a regular basis. If we vote in a different party they'll lie to us.
Billy even you must realize if Ukraine gives up, Russia will take over Ukraine. Prior to the war Ukraine was known as the bread basket of Europe. There's lots of oil and gas in Ukraine. Having Ukraine would mean Russia could exercise control over its off shore rights in the Black Sea and Sea of Azov. Then of course there's Moldova. If Putin takes over Ukraine, why wouldn't he take over Moldova?
Professor, please give one good reason (such as Putin gave for invading Ukraine) Russia should invade Moldova.
Lots of that aid money is already being stolen.. weapons are already going on the black market ..
Its not like arming and helping a normal country.. they are sending money and weapons to the most corrupt country on the planet..
Every thing comes out in the wash at some point and so will it here..
Wiz last time I was on RUA I was told you fled Greece during the times of the military junta. Apparently you had a choice be jailed by the junta or flee and for some reason you choose the UK. Somehow I doubt you were a freedom fighter trying to overthrow the junta.
Ukraine gave it it's best shot in Mariupol and lost. It's inevitable that they will lose the entire war but the West is injecting 40+ billion in an attempt to prolong the war and get more people killed. With the West not contributing troops, Ukraine isn't going to win but the West will reward Zelensky with a $35 million dollar mansion in Florida as long as he prolongs the war. Maybe Biden and his puppet masters want Ukraine to be the next 10 year Vietnam with no real goal to win?
Billy you're an American you know that's not the reason for the $40 billion military aid package. Along with the $40 billion aid package is going to come conditions on the US military receiving all sorts of information on how the military weapons performed in real world war conditions. Any problems with the weapons will mean the weapons can be sent to Poland and the American military can see the results first hand and perform any needed repairs and return the weapons to the battlefield in Ukraine. This is something that no amount of testing can cover.
Billy of course wants Ukraine to surrender to Russia to avoid any more Ukrainian and more importantly Russian deaths. If Russia were to invade the US Billy would say just surrender to Putin to avoid having any Americans and Russians killed.
Westcoast have you actually been to Russia? How many times and how long for?
Never been to Russia. Please tell me about Russia from your viewpoint.
Proffesor you never visited Russia and you have the guts to lecture us about the country!
Obviously you must be the biggest BS in the world!
For this reason I retun you back the Medal you offered me as you have surrpassed me by miles...WELL DONE NUMBER 1 BULLSHITTER IN THE WORLD!
(https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/number-one-1-award-ribbon-1st-first-place-medal-golden-blue-picture-id999510954?k=20&m=999510954&s=170667a&w=0&h=nJ-Nk6Nwj28-IEqtnPTnp_KxfNhpoeDVUyKqHQYE5U8=)What is good for the goose is also good for the gander!
Yes there are Nazis and other far right types in Ukraine. There are also Nazis and far right types in Russia. Why isn't Putin going after those people in Russia? There are Nazis and far right types in Poland, does that mean that Putin is going to invade Poland or Germany because there are Nazis and far right types in Germany, also in the UK?
Billy if you're going to post about biolabs you've got to also include evidence from some reputable sources.
As for NATO moving east Russia has the heavily armed and probably nuke capable enclave of Kaliningrad in the middle of the EU and NATO. Why is it acceptable to have Kaliningrad with lots of weapons and probably nukes in the middle of the EU and NATO and not acceptable to have Ukraine as a member of the EU and NATO?
Billy you realize that the Russian government is a Mafia state? You're supporting a Mafia state what does that say about you?
All governments lie that's a reality. My government in Canada lies on a regular basis. If we vote in a different party they'll lie to us.
Then of course there's Moldova. If Putin takes over Ukraine, why wouldn't he take over Moldova?
It's a discussion forum.
You asked a question.
You may get answers from others, it happens.
They did invade, and then left troops for 30 years there and still have them there.
Perhaps answer us all why they maintain the regions entire economy on russias budget and keep troops there for decades?
This will answer why they invaded when they did previously, why they are still there,
and why they might be interested in further invasion.
As reminder:
You asked why russia,who invaded moldove previously and remains there with invasive troops, would want to invade moldova again.
Then repeated the question.
Ask chechens or perhaps Ukrainian why russia invades twice?
You seemingly want to pretend they have no reason to do so.
If you want me to play along ,ok ,here you go.
They dont need to invade Moldova because they already did and remain there with troops.
Better?
:'(
BillyB.
Besides ukraine?
(Which required azov to take measures to step away from the neo nazi ideology before they were recognized as a part.of the national guard, but that doesn't fit your current, or Putins narrative.)
But you wanted another country so sure!
Russia.
Wagner pmc.(still heavily involved in ukraine)
Founder Dimitri Utkin.
Former Lt. colonel.
SS tatts on his collarbones.
Before you say its not part.of Russian military , he was
Decorated at the kremilin in 2016 for performance in Donbas.
Groups war crimes are reknown including carving swatzikas in thier victims.
A hero of russia.
The neo nazi leaders of dnr also recognized as heros of russia by the kremlin.
They were members also of ruscich battalion, the msntra is ethnic cleasing of all.former imperial.russian lands
and axnewxrusdia,anyone not ethnic russia should be killed or forecably put in camps and sent out of these territories.
(,nevermind Russia also allowing the russian imperial guards Partizan camps near st pete that trained terrorist bombers that carried out the bombings on immigrants in sweden)
Thise camps were.still not shut down despite russian RIM being the only neo nazi organization named as international .terrorist.)
Hows your deep state conspricies play into the alleged Russian good guys wanting ethinic cleansing ?
It's a discussion forum.
You asked a question.
You may get answers from others, it happens.
They did invade, and then left troops for 30 years there and still have them there.
Perhaps answer us all why they maintain the regions entire economy on russias budget and keep troops there for decades?
This will answer why they invaded when they did previously, why they are still there,
and why they might be interested in further invasion.
As reminder:
You asked why russia,who invaded moldove previously and remains there with invasive troops, would want to invade moldova again.
Then repeated the question.
Ask chechens or perhaps Ukrainian why russia invades twice?
You seemingly want to pretend they have no reason to do so.
If you want me to play along ,ok ,here you go.
They dont need to invade Moldova because they already did and remain there with troops.
Better?
:'(
I appologize. I did not know your nick name was professor. Since I was not specific enough I withdraw the question.
When I have questions regarding russia, cis, ussr, russian federation I ask a russian historian.
BillyB.
Besides ukraine?
(Which required azov to take measures to step away from the neo nazi ideology before they were recognized as a part.of the national guard, but that doesn't fit your current, or Putins narrative.)
But you wanted another country so sure!
Russia.
Wagner pmc.(still heavily involved in ukraine)
Founder Dimitri Utkin.
Former Lt. colonel.
SS tatts on his collarbones.
Before you say its not part.of Russian military , he was
Decorated at the kremilin in 2016 for performance in Donbas.
Groups war crimes are reknown including carving swatzikas in thier victims.
A hero of russia.
The neo nazi leaders of dnr also recognized as heros of russia by the kremlin.
They were members also of ruscich battalion, the msntra is ethnic cleasing of all.former imperial.russian lands
and axnewxrusdia,anyone not ethnic russia should be killed or forecably put in camps and sent out of these territories.
(,nevermind Russia also allowing the russian imperial guards Partizan camps near st pete that trained terrorist bombers that carried out the bombings on immigrants in sweden)
Thise camps were.still not shut down despite russian RIM being the only neo nazi organization named as international .terrorist.)
Hows your deep state conspricies play into the alleged Russian good guys wanting ethinic cleansing ?
You post a picture of one guy. I can assure you there are extreme right leaning and extreme left leaning soldiers in the US military although they may not advertise how they feel. The difference is Ukraine allowed an entire group of White Nationalists to be armed with military grade weapons and equipment. So what if they publicly denounce they don't want to believe in Nazi ideology anymore. You can say you're not a man anymore but you are still a man.
The Nazi elements of the Ukraine military was allowed to operate on purpose. Our Western nations never wanted to dissolve the units because we wanted to use them for this very moment. Our current goverment is supporting NAZI elements in the Ukrainian military. We can't audit the $40 billion we're going to send them just as we couldn't audit the past billions we sent Ukraine but somebody is feeding and arming them very well so they'll be the leading fighting unit of Ukraine just as the SS was for Nazi Germany.
Wagner group is neo nazi ,you do understand the names sgnificance?
Wagner group is neo nazi ,you do understand the names sgnificance?
Wagner is not neo nazi. Wagner is a private mercenary force for hire. They are not ideology driven. Like all private mercenary forces around the world, there are soldiers in those units who are not normal. Many have extreme ideologies or none at all. Although Russia says they don't support Wagner, I don't believe that. Wagner will do the dirty work Russia needs so they can avoid bad publicity.
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According to the Guardian article and others The Wagner Group are far right and associated with other far right groups.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/20/russian-mercenaries-in-ukraine-linked-to-far-right-extremistsQuoteGuys, it doesn't matter if you claim Russia loves neo nazi forces. What they hate is neo nazi forces next door to them that want them dead. They have a right to eliminate a threat to them. They have the right to do what the West failed to do. Imagine a group in Ukraine that are extreme racists towards minorities yet they are allowed to function and grow with our tax dollars. Is that acceptable? NO and neither is neo nazi support. If our goal is to bring Democracy to Ukraine and help it grow in the right direction, we failed. The West used Ukraine and we are using them again to hurt Russia. While we are hurting Russia, it's the Ukrainian soldiers and civilians that are getting killed and their cities leveled. In the end, we will abandon Ukraine but take a few refugees in a last ditch effort to show we care. This song and dance has played out in other nations with Afghanistan being the latest.
If Russia has the right to go into Ukraine to eliminate neo Nazi groups which Russia deems a threat to Russia then NATO must have the right to go into Russia to eliminate threats NATO deems a threat to member countries. Correct?QuoteMark my words. Russia is going to win this war. The West's crime is their support in prolonging Ukraine's suffering. I would've supported America's invasion and spanking of Cuba in the 60's. I'm not a hypocrite so I can't blame Putin for what he's doing in protecting Russia.
Russia might be able to outlast Ukraine and win against Ukraine even with the aid of western weapons. However Russia will be sanctioned for decades after the war's end. If Putin decides to invade a NATO country due to his success in Ukraine, Russia will be destroyed worse than Ukraine. Nukes or no nukes.QuoteIf you want this Ukraine problem solved with minimum deaths and war, fix America's elections and ALL of our problems, inflation, product shortages, border crisis, war, etc... will be solved with good government. Trump didn't start wars like his predecessors and with Trump in power Putin didn't invade any of his neighbors like he did when Bush, Obama, and Biden were in power. I suspect people here will be arguing for years on how to save Ukraine which is an impossible task with a corrupt criminal American government that's taken over America. The propaganda media owned by corrupt government has manipulated your minds so much that your priorities aren't in order.
So the solution to stop the war is to let Russia take Ukraine. Then of course Putin will want Moldova so Putin will get Moldova. Then Putin will want Georgia because NATO isn't going to interfere.
Billy any other countries we should let Putin have?
So the solution to stop the war is to let Russia take Ukraine. Then of course Putin will want Moldova so Putin will get Moldova. Then Putin will want Georgia because NATO isn't going to interfere.
Billy any other countries we should let Putin have?
According to the Guardian article and others The Wagner Group are far right and associated with other far right groups.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/20/russian-mercenaries-in-ukraine-linked-to-far-right-extremists
So the solution to stop the war is to let Russia take Ukraine. Then of course Putin will want Moldova so Putin will get Moldova. Then Putin will want Georgia because NATO isn't going to interfere.
Billy any other countries we should let Putin have?
Hey! China wants to take Taiwan so lets initiate war to prevent a war! Putin has not gone after all of Moldova or Georgia. You're speculating and Russia already knows NATO isn't going to put boots on the ground for those nations. Your media has failed to educate you but months before this war, Russia took their complaints to the UN to find a solution to the neo nazis, encroaching NATO, and biolabs problems in Ukraine. If the West truly didn't want war, they will listen to Russia's concerns and take action. They will sit at a negotiation table and say they will disband neo nazi groups, guarantee they'll finally keep their promise and stop moving NATO East, and close the biolabs which the research could've been done in our countries unless it violated a treaty. How hard is it to take action on those issues? Imagine if we did something to relieve Russia's concerns, there wouldn't be war. And if Russia lied, then it wouldn't make a difference but we didn't even try to make a difference, did we?QuoteIf Ukraine got rid of neo Nazis in Ukraine would Putin get rid of neo Nazis in Russia. I doubt it. The Russian enclave of Kaliningrad is in the middle of the EU and NATO. Is Putin going to get rid of the Russian military equipment and nukes in Kaliningrad? It seems all the negotiations are one sided. Putin wants all and is willing to give up nothing.According to the Guardian article and others The Wagner Group are far right and associated with other far right groups.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/20/russian-mercenaries-in-ukraine-linked-to-far-right-extremists
I don't know how many times I have to say this. Western media have become propaganda so stop educating yourself through television and media rags. Obviously that article is a hit piece. Do a quick Google search and you'll find Wagner does a lot of business in Africa working to protect black presidents and working along black soldiers. Some Wagner mercenaries may hate blacks but Wagner and their mercenaries aren't driven by ideology, they're driven by money.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group#/media/File:RussiansecurityBangui.png
https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/507041-analysis-wagners-actions-in-car-reflect-russias-increasing-military-presence-in-africa.html
https://www.fpri.org/article/2022/03/the-wagner-groups-playbook-in-africa-mali/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/09/wagner-group-russia-uraine-mercenaries/
You can find many more photos and articles of Wagner protecting and working along black people but what does it matter? You're set in your ways thinking Putin supports neo nazi groups in his country so he doesn't have the right to complain about hostile neo nazis next door. Imagine you're a bad father with a bad kid in your house who's a hellraiser but the kid next door is also a hellraiser who steals from you and vandalizes your property. What if I told you that you have no right to stop that kid because you have a kid like that at home. That's what you're trying to tell Putin. He's not going to listen to you and most people won't listen to you. But go on believing the propaganda media and our corrupt politicians we're the good guys that did nothing wrong in Ukraine and Putin invaded for no valid reason.
Lots of that aid money is already being stolen.. weapons are already going on the black market ..
Its not like arming and helping a normal country.. they are sending money and weapons to the most corrupt country on the planet..
Every thing comes out in the wash at some point and so will it here..
Transparency International ranks corruption around the world. Russia is a number of points more corrupt than Ukraine. This was published in 2021, well before Russia decided to invade Ukraine. Imagine what Russia's ranking is now?
https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2021
Wagner is not neo nazi. Wagner is a private mercenary force for hire. They are not ideology driven. Like all private mercenary forces around the world, there are soldiers in those units who are not normal. Many have extreme ideologies or none at all. Although Russia says they don't support Wagner, I don't believe that. Wagner will do the dirty work Russia needs so they can avoid bad publicity.
If the west manipultaled this already unhappy feeling ?
Then its on russua to have courted ukraine better?
They had closer ties and every opportunity to do soinstead they choose to str8ng arm,continuevtomlook.at ukrainisns as khohols and subclass citizens of thier own country.
If the west manipultaled this already unhappy feeling ?
Then its on russua to have courted ukraine better?
They had closer ties and every opportunity to do soinstead they choose to str8ng arm,continuevtomlook.at ukrainisns as khohols and subclass citizens of thier own country.
this is important. I have discussed this with others before (not on this forum). Russia has absolutely fell short at courting Ukraine. after staying in Russia and visiting many of wife's family friends, I can say that there life style is not any less than any western country. from homes, cars, to entertainment possibilities, some better some not. why has Russia failed at showing this to the Ukrainians and the rest of the world. because they were/are stupid (perhaps ignorant?)! They Were Stupid!!!
and now they compound it further (their stupidity) by attacking and still going with the same old propaganda.
and it all could have been stopped in its tracks by Russia hiring some expensive ad execs.
all of the before written is my opinion
Lots of that aid money is already being stolen.. weapons are already going on the black market ..
Its not like arming and helping a normal country.. they are sending money and weapons to the most corrupt country on the planet..
Every thing comes out in the wash at some point and so will it here..
Transparency International ranks corruption around the world. Russia is a number of points more corrupt than Ukraine. This was published in 2021, well before Russia decided to invade Ukraine. Imagine what Russia's ranking is now?
https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2021
Who the heck gives a flying hoot about these types of website's reporting? The US ranking at '67'?!? Are you kidding me?!
We had this moron who once was a FLOTUS, a State Secretary, a Senator, a POTUS-candidate; who engaged in an act that made Watergate seem like child's play, yet she's still out free and allowed to participate in the public's domain!!! Heck, her own campaign senior policy adviser at the time, who was part of this insidious act against her presidential opponent, Jake Sullivan, is Biden's current National Security Adviser!!!
Give Google a rest, will you...You remind me of so many forum posters in another universe who claims to know more about Somalia, despite not ever being there, than Somalians themselves
Lon it's actually much worse than that. Look at Russia's position relative to Europe and China. Why did Putin and his predecessors not attract manufacturing investment from Europe as China has done? It's a short train trip from western Russia to Europe vs a very long boat ride from China to Europe. Russia probably couldn't have competed against China on the very cheap stuff but if Russia had upgraded its education standards and produced more engineers and STEM graduates it could have competed against China on higher end items.
Also why hasn't Russia capitalized on its position to set up a train transportation system from China to Europe? With an upgraded modern train corridor from China to Europe delivering goods by train from China to Europe has got to be faster than shipping them from China to Europe.
It almost seems as if Putin wants to keep his people behind the rest of the world in tech education such as STEM?
Wiz last time I was on RUA I was told you fled Greece during the times of the military junta. Apparently you had a choice be jailed by the junta or flee and for some reason you choose the UK. Somehow I doubt you were a freedom fighter trying to overthrow the junta.
Putin is actually paying Russian Nazis to fight in Ukraine.
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZTdnbtGyK/
I was just listening the news....and heard that the dead people in Texas are at the moment 23 dead persons including the nut case who kill them.Is there any other 'exceptional' nation that produces they mass shootings like we do? We sent 50 billion to ukraine, we could use a lot of mental health facilities, and 50 billion could have built and staffed a lot. Get the nutcases off the streets and keep them off the street.
This view is gaining steam throughout the world. Even allies in the UK aren't happy with us. Russia looks bad, but so do we.
Thank God I live in a civilised country and just wonder what could it happened to me living in your Joungle of Criminals, Druggies and Gangsters.
It is well known fact that "whatever country you" visisted ...error .. "Invaded" you left behind 1000s and million of people dead!
Do you realy, any of you, have real friends who are not part of your Criminal Nation?