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Title: Grandmaster Putin’s Trap
Post by: Wiz on November 10, 2018, 01:45:37 PM
Grandmaster Putin’s Trap

Accusations of the West towards Putin are traditionally based on the fact that he worked in the KGB. And therefore he is a cruel and immoral person. Putin is blamed for everything. But nobody ever accused Putin of the lack of intelligence.

Any accusations against this man only emphasize his ability for quick analytical thinking and making clear and balanced political and economic decisions.

Often Western media compares this ability with the ability of a grandmaster, conducting a public chess simul. Recent developments in US economy and the West in general allow us to conclude that in this part of the assessment of Putin’s personality Western media are absolutely right.

Despite numerous success reports in the style of Fox News and CNN, today, Western economy, led by the United States is in Putin’s trap, the way out of which no one in the West can see or find. And the more the West is trying to escape from this trap, the more stuck it becomes.

What is the truly tragic predicament of the West and the United States, in which they find themselves? And why all the Western media and leading Western economists are silent about this, as a well guarded military secret? Let’s try to understand the essence of current economic events, in the context of the economy, setting aside the factors of morality, ethics and geopolitics.

After realizing its failure in Ukraine, the West, led by the US set out to destroy Russian economy by lowering oil prices, and accordingly gas prices as the main budget sources of export revenue in Russia and the main sources of replenishment of Russian gold reserves. It should be noted that the main failure of the West in Ukraine is not military or political. But in the actual refusal of Putin to fund the Western project of Ukraine at the expense of the budget of Russian Federation. What makes this Western project not viable in the near and inevitable future.

Last time under president Reagan, such actions of the West’s lowering of oil prices led to ‘success’ and the collapse of USSR. But history does not repeat itself all the time. This time things are different for the West. Putin’s response to the West resembles both chess and judo, when the strength used by the enemy is used against him, but with minimal costs to the strength and resources of the defender. Putin’s real policies are not public. Therefore, Putin’s policy largely has always focused not so much on effect, but on efficiency.

Very few people understand what Putin is doing at the moment. And almost no one understands what he will do in the future.



Read the whole article here: Grandmaster Putins trap (https://orientalreview.org/2014/12/25/grandmaster-putins-trap/)

 tiphat
Title: Re: Grandmaster Putin’s Trap
Post by: msmoby on November 10, 2018, 02:02:43 PM
'Grandmaster's' don't need to 'persuade'  'voters' to vote - as no-one was interested IN voting for a 'result' they knew ..



Title: Re: Grandmaster Putin’s Trap
Post by: Texan77 on November 10, 2018, 06:06:18 PM
Grandmaster Putin’s Trap

After realizing its failure in Ukraine, the West, led by the US set out to destroy Russian economy by lowering oil prices, and accordingly gas prices as the main budget sources of export revenue in Russia and the main sources of replenishment of Russian gold reserves. It should be noted that the main failure of the West in Ukraine is not military or political. But in the actual refusal of Putin to fund the Western project of Ukraine at the expense of the budget of Russian Federation. What makes this Western project not viable in the near and inevitable future.


Read the whole article here: Grandmaster Putins trap (https://orientalreview.org/2014/12/25/grandmaster-putins-trap/)

 tiphat

What we did to lower oil prices. Lets see ...  we found out we had some more oil and the Saudis got anger and tried to destroy us by lowering the price to where it would break our oil industry. Now that means we are controlling the price of oil. The lower oil prices was suppose to break us not Russia. Just ask Andrew because posted here how Russia wan not hurt by the lower prices but it we believe our banks would fail if oil prices got low. This is so like you to blame the USA for  everything in the world that goes wrong. Oh Don't bother with any real facts.   
Title: Re: Grandmaster Putin’s Trap
Post by: AvHdB on November 11, 2018, 01:33:42 AM
Lets see some basic simple facts; The United States has been the largest oil producer for a couple years now. The collapse of over $90 a barrel oil prices has nothing to do with Russia, Saudi Arabia or the United States. Instead think the world economy and supply and demand. It really is not that difficult to figure out.

Wiz you give way to much credit for the intelligence of Putin, think more like luck. On the other hand your dismissive of the intelligence of Trump, though so far he has been lucky.
Title: Re: Grandmaster Putin’s Trap
Post by: Wiz on November 11, 2018, 04:51:54 AM
Grandmaster Putin’s Trap

After realizing its failure in Ukraine, the West, led by the US set out to destroy Russian economy by lowering oil prices, and accordingly gas prices as the main budget sources of export revenue in Russia and the main sources of replenishment of Russian gold reserves. It should be noted that the main failure of the West in Ukraine is not military or political. But in the actual refusal of Putin to fund the Western project of Ukraine at the expense of the budget of Russian Federation. What makes this Western project not viable in the near and inevitable future.


Read the whole article here: Grandmaster Putins trap (https://orientalreview.org/2014/12/25/grandmaster-putins-trap/)

 tiphat

What we did to lower oil prices. Lets see ...  we found out we had some more oil and the Saudis got anger and tried to destroy us by lowering the price to where it would break our oil industry. Now that means we are controlling the price of oil. The lower oil prices was suppose to break us not Russia. Just ask Andrew because posted here how Russia wan not hurt by the lower prices but it we believe our banks would fail if oil prices got low. This is so like you to blame the USA for  everything in the world that goes wrong. Oh Don't bother with any real facts.

Just before USA organised the coup in Ukraine  in 2014 to impose regime change and install it's own quislings the US was a net oil importer, mostly from Saudi  Arabia but also from many other countries too.

If I remember well the US offered its military protection to Saudi Arabia against anybody in exchange for the majority of the petrodollars to be invested in N.Y Banks, who will use it to invest around the globe, helping that way the value of the Dollar. Saudi was also asked to increase oil production and they did.

At the same time with the help of "Junk Bonds" financed many oil companies to extract Shale oil from N Dakota and other areas and slowed down its oil imports. I remember it stopped importing 1 Million Barrels "a day" from Nigeria or a neighbour country, thus created a glud in the oil Market, so naturally oil prices start going down.

Naturally when the Oil prices went below $30 a Barrel, The Ruble lost 50% of its value.........and Moby was celebrating.......that Russia and his friend Putin, (ask him to post a photo together in Sochi) were paying the price for accepting Crimea in the Russian Federation.  :chuckle: Russia of course continued selling Gas and Oil and was buying Gold.

*Many people like Moby talk about Crimea still today! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

The Bretton Woods system disappeared in the 1970s. Gold stopped being a monetary metal to become a normal currency commodity.

Meanwhile in 2014-15, big changes took place in London. The London Gold Fix Closed. For many years LGF was perceived to be an ideal instrument for fixing the gold price on the world market, especially for individual contracts and derivatives (paper gold). The rates were used for evaluating gold reserves, for example bank deposits denominated in gold etc.

At the end of WWI the Rothschilds  wasted no time and in 1919 they created LGF to control the world gold market through the London Gold Fixing.

The elimination of LGF was part of a big game played by the "money bosses" – the Rothschilds  and Rockefellers. They both are the leading shareholders of the US Federal Reserve System.

Declining oil prices and a depreciation of the national currency, Ruble,  have not led to a slowdown in the Bank of Russia’s gold purchases on the domestic market for rubles.
Despite threats and sanctions, Russia has continued to add to its gold reserves.

The Bank of Russia bought a record 171 tons of gold in 2014 and another 120 tons in the first ten months of 2015. Consequently, by the 1 November 2015 the Bank of Russia had accumulated a total of 1,200 tons of gold in its reserves, which was officially the fifth largest in the world.

Today the Bank of Russia has almost 2000 tones of gold. China has not provided updated data on its gold reserves since 2009, when it officially possessed 1054 tons. I read in an article that some estimate the  Chinese reserves may have tripled since then.

In the year 2014 Russia emerged as the world’s second biggest gold producer, surpassed only by China. China and Russia’s global leadership in gold mining enables them to create their own currency and trading systems, built on a solid foundation of gold, which will be used by the BRICS countries as a universal unit of account and as a fixed measure of cost.

From the article I posted previously:
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Very few people understand what Putin is doing at the moment. And almost no one understands what he will do in the future.

No matter how strange it may seem, but right now, Putin is selling Russian oil and gas only for physical gold.

Putin is not shouting about it all over the world. And of course, he still accepts US dollars as an intermediate means of payment. But he immediately exchanges all these dollars obtained from the sale of oil and gas for physical gold!

To understand this, it is enough to look at the dynamics of growth of gold reserves of Russia and to compare this data with foreign exchange earnings of the Russia coming from the sale of oil and gas over the same period.

Why do you think Germany's president, "Merkel" is friendly with Russia and Putin?
She doesn't want problems with its Gas Energy supplies and the USA cannot provide Germany or any other European country with enough supplies at the same cost as Russia does.

Germany is the strongest and leading economy in Europe and the USA sanctions against Russia and Iran, affecting German companies operations and I wonder how long they are going to tolerate these measures affecting it's economy. Already Merkel stuck 2 fingers up Trumps nostrils and it's supporting the North Stream 2...... IT IS THAT SIMPLE!

Let me remind you of some truths Putin said to Merkel in an interview,
which definitely applies to the USA.
Enjoy merkel's Face:  :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QxZO1bjloY


There is no such thing as "Luck"....We create the right conditions to be  lucky!
If you don't play lotto.. how to you expect to be lucky and win?


PS: Before any jumping jack starts trolling REM: (http://www.yannis.ip3.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/attack.png)
Title: Re: Grandmaster Putin’s Trap
Post by: Texan77 on November 11, 2018, 10:28:11 AM

The US did not organized any coup in the Ukraine. Just you believing Russian propaganda. What you guys here do not understand, when Yamu was put out of power the constitutions power that him a dictatorship control in the Ukraine was done away with and the new president was pretty much power less. So why would we want a powerless Junta. If you really understand anything you will realize how fake all the Russian news was at that time.
Title: Re: Grandmaster Putin’s Trap
Post by: AvHdB on November 11, 2018, 11:20:49 AM
The criminal V. Yanukovych, was removed by the Rada on the 22nd of February and some three days later sought refuge near Moscow with the assistance of Russia. It should be noted both P. Manafort and R. Meller were advisors to V. Yanukovych and strongly pro-Russian.

As for the coup based on what I observed the events were largely organic and only grew to the proportions that they became because of blunders of V. Yanukovych. It should be noted after the dust settled the preferred leader from the US/EU side was not chosen as President.

Title: Re: Grandmaster Putin’s Trap
Post by: Wiz on November 11, 2018, 03:44:50 PM

The US did not organized any coup in the Ukraine. Just you believing Russian propaganda. What you guys here do not understand, when Yamu was put out of power the constitutions power that him a dictatorship control in the Ukraine was done away with and the new president was pretty much power less. So why would we want a powerless Junta. If you really understand anything you will realize how fake all the Russian news was at that time.

Here is the admission from the mouth of Victoria  Nulan.

Victoria Nuland's Admits Washington
Has Spent $5 Billion to "Subvert Ukraine"



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2fYcHLouXY


Listen here 2 USA Government staff planning who can
Govern UKRAINE, before the fall of  V. Yanukovych!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5n8UbJ8jsk

Any more lies... or should I say untruths?

 :evilgrin0002:
Title: Re: Grandmaster Putin’s Trap
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2018, 03:52:59 PM

The US did not organized any coup in the Ukraine. Just you believing Russian propaganda. What you guys here do not understand, when Yamu was put out of power the constitutions power that him a dictatorship control in the Ukraine was done away with and the new president was pretty much power less. So why would we want a powerless Junta. If you really understand anything you will realize how fake all the Russian news was at that time.

Here is the admission from the mouth of Victoria  Nulan.

Victoria Nuland's Admits Washington
Has Spent $5 Billion to "Subvert Ukraine"



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2fYcHLouXY


 :evilgrin0002:

Hey Einstein, we give foreign aid to a lot of countries, including Russia.
Title: Re: Grandmaster Putin’s Trap
Post by: Markje on November 11, 2018, 06:31:15 PM

The US did not organized any coup in the Ukraine. Just you believing Russian propaganda.
I half agree there. The USA didn't, Europe as in the E.U. is to blame for that.

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What you guys here do not understand, when Yamu was put out of power the constitutions power that him a dictatorship control in the Ukraine was done away with and the new president was pretty much power less. So why would we want a powerless Junta. If you really understand anything you will realize how fake all the Russian news was at that time.
Putting Yanukovich out of power was a coup. Otherwise, they would've left the premier (second runner up) in place, but he was replaced even before Yanukovich. So the constitution became null and void.

And Yanukovich was far from a dictator, in fact, elections were already being organised and had he not been ousted, they would've been held 2 months before the ones that chose Poroshenko.
Title: Re: Grandmaster Putin’s Trap
Post by: Markje on November 11, 2018, 06:35:02 PM
The criminal V. Yanukovych, was removed by the Rada on the 22nd of February and some three days later sought refuge near Moscow with the assistance of Russia. It should be noted both P. Manafort and R. Meller were advisors to V. Yanukovych and strongly pro-Russian.
Unfortunately, the law wasn't followed in that occasion, so until Poroshenko was chosen, an illegitimate government ruled Ukraine.

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As for the coup based on what I observed the events were largely organic and only grew to the proportions that they became because of blunders of V. Yanukovych. It should be noted after the dust settled the preferred leader from the US/EU side was not chosen as President.
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Nope, it was because of the machinations of the EU that he had to flee. The only blunder he really made, was not explaining in laymans terms why he rejected the EU deal whilst before wanting to honor it.

He saw Ukraine going bankrupt because he cant meet Europes quality of product code, meaning he can not sell any produce from  Ukrainian farms to Europe.

By now , that is all a done deal, but back then he had serious issues with it.

The only question in my mind remains: To whom did the snipers belong, when the coup was happening everyone believed them to be Yanu's , but they weren't that much is clear to me.
Title: Re: Grandmaster Putin’s Trap
Post by: Texan77 on November 11, 2018, 06:37:30 PM
We gave 5 billion dollars in foreign aid over a number of years. Then Victory Nuland called a news conference and brag that Ukraine was wanting to be inline with the USA because we gave them this aid. This woman is completely stupid and full of crap then and still is. This is was a very small amount of money for a country over many years. When Yanu first left office the people in government was hoping for a large payout from the USA. So they would butter Victoria up and listen to her crap.  Since it did not happened, they soon got tired of the USA and Victoria was never seen again there.  Bidden would go there from time to time and take a billion dollars to try to get their parliament to pass something. They would listen to his speech and then vote against anything he wanted. The president of Ukraine could not do much without parliament. Well that was our puppet government in Ukraine. The UK is much more of puppet government than Ukraine.
Title: Re: Grandmaster Putin’s Trap
Post by: Texan77 on November 11, 2018, 06:41:43 PM
The Law was followed your wife is simple wrong. There was a clause in the constitution that parliament could claimed the president was unable to continue his job and only took a majority to pass. That was done. The UN said it was legal and was supported numerous nations.
Title: Re: Grandmaster Putin’s Trap
Post by: Markje on November 12, 2018, 06:58:37 AM
The Law was followed your wife is simple wrong. There was a clause in the constitution that parliament could claimed the president was unable to continue his job and only took a majority to pass. That was done. The UN said it was legal and was supported numerous nations.

Before I married her, my wife was a Ukrainian Lawyer, not that it matters. The entire constitution is online and you can ready everything yourself.

The fact that the UN said it was legal scares me more since its blatantly not true for everyone who can read English and reads the constitution of Ukraine on the subject of impeachment.
Title: Re: Grandmaster Putin’s Trap
Post by: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 07:25:01 AM
The Law was followed your wife is simple wrong. There was a clause in the constitution that parliament could claimed the president was unable to continue his job and only took a majority to pass. That was done. The UN said it was legal and was supported numerous nations.

Before I married her, my wife was a Ukrainian Lawyer, not that it matters. The entire constitution is online and you can ready everything yourself.

The fact that the UN said it was legal scares me more since its blatantly not true for everyone who can read English and reads the constitution of Ukraine on the subject of impeachment.

Markje

the fact of the matter is your 'man' was corrupt and fled arrest - spirited away by the GRU - and WAS disavowed by his own party ..

PLUS the current President's and govt  appointment's was affirmed in elections - where they could be held ..

Spin on
Title: Re: Grandmaster Putin’s Trap
Post by: Texan77 on November 12, 2018, 07:26:10 AM
I did and posted the segment that show what I was years ago.
Title: Re: Grandmaster Putin’s Trap
Post by: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 07:29:50 AM
'Grandmaster's' don't need to 'persuade'  'voters' to vote - as no-one was interested IN voting for a 'result' they knew ..

In case it wasn't clear - I meant the March 2018 RU Presidential 'Elections'..

I do not know 1 person who admits voting for VVP .. 
Title: Re: Grandmaster Putin’s Trap
Post by: Wiz on November 12, 2018, 07:51:11 AM
The criminal V. Yanukovych, was removed by the Rada on the 22nd of February and some three days later sought refuge near Moscow with the assistance of Russia. It should be noted both P. Manafort and R. Meller were advisors to V. Yanukovych and strongly pro-Russian.
Unfortunately, the law wasn't followed in that occasion, so until Poroshenko was chosen, an illegitimate government ruled Ukraine.

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As for the coup based on what I observed the events were largely organic and only grew to the proportions that they became because of blunders of V. Yanukovych. It should be noted after the dust settled the preferred leader from the US/EU side was not chosen as President.
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Nope, it was because of the machinations of the EU that he had to flee. The only blunder he really made, was not explaining in laymans terms why he rejected the EU deal whilst before wanting to honor it.

He saw Ukraine going bankrupt because he cant meet Europes quality of product code, meaning he can not sell any produce from  Ukrainian farms to Europe.

By now , that is all a done deal, but back then he had serious issues with it.

The only question in my mind remains: To whom did the snipers belong, when the coup was happening everyone believed them to be Yanu's , but they weren't that much is clear to me.

Hi Mark

Sorry  but I disagree with your view that Only the EU and Germany were the culprits. The CIA/USA has planned, organised and executed the coup and change of legitimate voted Government in UKRAINE. Their aim was control of Crimea and loss of the Russian hot water bases there but Putin Fcuk their plans.

The German BND (secret service) was involved in it because Germany wanted to have control of the Ukraine pipelines, because of the arguments between Moscow and Kiev, where Russia cut the Gas because of unpaid bills. I am sure you remember all that.

Let's examine the evidence.

On my post above no 7, I have posted 2 videos about the conversation between V. Nulan and G. Pyat, which to my knowledge was never disputed by the USA apart from Texas who said it was Russian propaganda. Unfortunately he is ignorant of the facts and how interconnected were Russia and Ukraine, before the coup.
He obviously don't know that Ukraine was exporting to Russia 80% of its products......and Russia needed Ukraine for the pipes and for their use Ukraine was paying $ 50 per 1000 cubic cm, where now pays over $200 market prices as it does not buy directly from Russia.

The fact that CIA/US organised all the Colour revolutions..... is not disputed either, by anybody.

When you were watching the Video conversation between the US Ambassador and V. Nulan has it crossed your mind that 2 senior US officials were discussing and planning  how to make changes of the personnel of a  legitimate voted government of a sovereign country, Ukraine, well before the coup took place?

I don't have to remind you that a huge list of US officials came through Kiev while the demo and coup later was in full swing and all of them visited the protestors and Maidan Square. REM that shite McCane appearing on the podium with the Fascist leaders of the Bandera crowd?

I have already posted that the snipers, have been trained in the Israel army for 8 years... and on my board have posted also photos from a Jewish celebration in Ukraine that I copied from a Jewish site, with all the now famous faces present, well before their coup.

V. Yanukovych saw that his country was better to remain connected with Russia, signed the extension of the bases to 2042 and refuse to sign with the EU, and at the end, he was running to save his life.

 tiphat
Title: Re: more Wiz' revisionist history
Post by: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 08:03:43 AM


Sorry  but I disagree with your view that Only the EU and Germany were the culprits. The CIA/USA has planned, organised and executed the coup and change of legitimate voted Government in UKRAINE. Their aim was control of Crimea and loss of the Russian hot water bases there but Putin Fcuk their plans.

As someone claiming to have been in Ukraine preceding the Orange Revolution (- which screwed VVP's plans to have Ukraine shy away from looking west  - as the bollox 'result' of the elections were over-turned ... Strange that the East and Crimea are involved in alleged dishonesty re their results ..) your recollections would be amusing - if so many lives hadn't been lost


Moscow, Washington AND the EU had agendas ..  How about being honest ?

The idea that NATO would be given control of Crimea is a joke .. it would have been unworkable and pointless.







Title: Re: Grandmaster Putin’s Trap
Post by: Markje on November 12, 2018, 08:38:43 AM
Markje

the fact of the matter is your 'man' was corrupt and fled arrest - spirited away by the GRU - and WAS disavowed by his own party ..

PLUS the current President's and govt  appointment's was affirmed in elections - where they could be held ..

Spin on

And according to you, the color white eats up all light whilst black emits light , right?


Yanukovich didn't flee arrest, he fled because he was being murdered. Quite a difference.

And even if he did flee, that didn't enable the coup that happened subsequently, because the Ukr. constitution doesn't have a provision for 'absent' presidents.

Had the murder succeeded, then it would have executed the first of 3 rules (sickness, in his case permanent).
Title: Re: Grandmaster Putin’s Trap
Post by: msmoby on November 12, 2018, 09:57:56 AM


Yanukovich didn't flee arrest, he fled because he was being murdered. Quite a difference.

Nonsense...he would clearly have faced a VERY public humiliation ..

That's not how things gt done is nations looking to the west ...  Politicians getting bumped off in the East of the country - now THAT is more common place - penny dropping ?


And even if he did flee, that didn't enable the coup that happened subsequently, because the Ukr. constitution doesn't have a provision for 'absent' presidents.

Had the murder succeeded, then it would have executed the first of 3 rules (sickness, in his case permanent).

At least we aren't hearing 'Nazi junta' - there's a start ...   

If the President is arrested for corruption - then he can hardly be President during his trial

There were clearly lots of holes in the UA constitution ... Russia has NO problems totally ignoring her Constitution - as many Russian lawyers/ journos would attest - if they were still around ..