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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on July 19, 2019, 01:46:36 PM
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Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on July 19, 2019, 01:47:58 PM
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Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on July 19, 2019, 03:32:53 PM
Iran, the country of peace and love found a couple UK oil tankers
that they hijacked, kidnapped fell in love with and took
to Iran.

Iran announces capture of British oil tanker; US officials say two ships seized
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/19/middleeast/british-tanker-seized-iran-intl/index.html


Iran seizes two British oil tankers with dozens of
crew on board in the Gulf just 43 minutes apart in major escalation
days after clash with Royal Navy

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9544266/iran-british-oil-tanker-revolutionary-guard-royal-navy/




Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on July 20, 2019, 06:35:53 AM
The IRG only seized one, having boarded two..


It's hadly a surpise - given the UK seized a Iranian tanker - which would be on it's way - if it confirmed the oil wasn't bound for Syria

So much for the Royal Navy presense the UK govt boasted about ..

I do not blame the RN ... they cannot be everywhere and Iran posssess a LOT of fast, small craft
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on July 22, 2019, 10:32:55 AM
 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10219685759272253&set=gm.2484170528310943&type=3&sfns=xmo
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on July 23, 2019, 06:18:14 AM
Good morning, America ..

I note your 'emperor with no cloths' is at it, already ..

A tweet-fart.. 1/ "Congratulations to Boris Johnson on becoming the new Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. He will be great!"

Now we have two total loonies trying to run our nations .. one was elected by less people than the other candidate and the other by c.160k and dare not face an electional test ..

Another tweet-fart: 2/ It seems 'Trampu' seems v.worried about what Mueller might say - imagine having the Justice Dept write to a witness..

“Trump Derangement Syndrome”.. Now that's funny ..

Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on July 24, 2019, 08:38:00 AM
Think of this as Trumps first shot across the bow of the 2020 primary enemy...

Feds take Action against Big Tech - EU sure to follow the Feds lead soon.

Wow a $5 Billion USD Fine is no joke...  Appears Trumps Social Media Summit got serious.  No wonder Facespergerberg is trying to convert Faceyspace into the world's largest Libra Crypto based Bank.  You get fined $5 Billion $100 Million triple down and launch a new Global Digital Currency project... https://libra.org/en-US/  Whitepaper Button upper right corner...  Great to be a giant Amoral Anti Privacy sperg run Globalist Company - Great critique:
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/stocks-u-futures-fall-doj-064500045.html?.tsrc=rss

Investing.com - U.S. futures fell on Wednesday, dragged down by technology stocks after the U.S. Department of Justice announced an antitrust investigation into leading online platforms, raising fears that regulatory action could wreck the business model of some highly profitable companies.

The DoJ did not name which companies were under investigation but said it would look at how they got their market power and whether they were engaging in best practices.

“The Department’s review will consider the widespread concerns that consumers, businesses, and entrepreneurs have expressed about search, social media, and some retail services online,” the agency said in its notice, which suggests that the likes of Google (NASDAQ:GOOGL), Facebook (NASDAQ:FB) and Amazon (NASDAQ:AMZN) will be investigated.

Google, Facebook and Amazon were all down over 1% in premarket trade.

Facebook was also hit with news that it is expected to settle with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission for $100 million its disclosure of privacy practices and make a $5 billion settlement with the FTC.

Nasdaq 100 futures slumped 42 points or 0.5% by 6:41 AM ET (10:41 GMT), while Dow futures slipped 58 points or 0.2% and S&P 500 futures fell 8 points or 0.3%.

Earnings continued to be in focus, with Boeing (NYSE:BA), and others reporting before the bell, while Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA), Facebook (NASDAQ:FB) and Equifax (NYSE:EFX) release their earnings after the bell. AT&T (NYSE:T) slipped 0.3% despite its second-quarter earnings meeting analysts’ forecasts.

Makers of semiconductors were higher, with Texas Instruments (NASDAQ:TXN) surging 6.6% after its earnings encouraged hopes that global demand for chips will pick up in the second half, while Micron (NASDAQ:MU) gained 0.4% and Advanced Micro Devices (NASDAQ:AMD) inched up 0.2%.

Social app Snap (NYSE:SNAP) jumped 10.6% after it said it added 13 million daily active users in the last quarter.

Elsewhere, CannTrust (TSX:TRST) fell 4.5% after reports that its top executives were informed in November of illegal cannabis growth, the Globe and Mail reported.

On the economic front, manufacturing and services PMIs are at 9:45 AM ET (13:45 GMT), already preceded by gloomy readings out of Japan and Europe. New home sales are due at 10:00 AM ET (14:00 GMT).

In commodities, crude oil gained 0.1% to $56.85 a barrel. Gold futures rose 0.3% to $1,425.75 a troy ounce, while the U.S. dollar index, which measures the greenback against a basket of six major currencies, was flat at 97.403.
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on July 24, 2019, 12:17:38 PM
Good morning, America ..

I note your 'emperor with no cloths' is at it, already ..

A tweet-fart.. 1/ "Congratulations to Boris Johnson on becoming the new Prime Minister of the United Kingdom. He will be great!"

Now we have two total loonies trying to run our nations .. one was elected by less people than the other candidate and the other by c.160k and dare not face an electional test ..

Another tweet-fart: 2/ It seems 'Trampu' seems v.worried about what Mueller might say - imagine having the Justice Dept write to a witness..

“Trump Derangement Syndrome”.. Now that's funny ..

Suck it up buttercup!!  :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on July 24, 2019, 12:33:31 PM
More liberal tears... :chuckle:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/msnbcs-chris-matthews-livid-over-mueller-report-how-could-they-let-trump-off-the-hook.amp
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on July 24, 2019, 12:39:53 PM
And yet more....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/media/454503-chris-wallace-this-has-been-a-disaster-for-the-democrats-and-for-the%3famp
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on July 28, 2019, 07:31:18 PM
Deficit balloons under Trump.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/fox-news-anchor-confronts-trump-official-deficit-decreasing-under-obama-1451474%3famp=1
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on July 28, 2019, 07:33:52 PM
Whoops! Kushner housing projects might be infested with rats.  :chuckle:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/jared-kushner-owns-lots-of-apartments-in-the-baltimore-area-some-infested-with-mice/2019/07/28/0d3cb754-b13b-11e9-8f6c-7828e68cb15f_story.html%3foutputType=amp
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on July 28, 2019, 07:37:37 PM
Meanwhile Cummings and Trump trade charges of racism. Safe to say these two do not like each other!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/07/28/us/politics/trump-elijah-cummings-baltimore.amp.html
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on July 29, 2019, 12:54:41 AM
Mueller's testimony was a disaster for Dems. 

Jim Jordan dunking on Mueller at will: Link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzSvlr_kObU&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR0HfQAmsTx5xz7MX5xAQmAIb3-RW51HwBb_roj9XQ6q0jMZ8qkRrqc_hKU).


Everything in the report was generated from lies.  From Mifsud to the LAUGHABLY false Steele Memo, to 2 years and $35M to come up with fundamentally ZERO evidence that the president conspired with the Russians to subvert the elections.  In fact, was a single American charged with a crime that fell withing the purview of what Mueller was *supposed* to be investigating?

This was a hit job by the Deep State (or swamp, if you prefer) on Trump.  And they blew it. 

And consider this:

"Ruling party orders chief of secret police to spy on opposition candidate. Chief of secret police gets orders from secret tribunal based on shaky/fraudulent evidence from avowed enemy of opposition candidate. Spy chief leaks illegally recorded conversations. Two secret policeman conspire to entrap official from opposition leader's government, once he is sworn in."

Because that's what happened here. If this happened in Ukraine or Egypt, we'd be calling it an attempted coup.  Because that's what it is. 

The good news is that William Barr is at DOJ, where he should have been all along.  Heads are going to roll over this.

B/B
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on July 29, 2019, 01:13:57 AM
in regard to this:

after digging for 3 years finding no cables whatsoever. the neighbour accused him of using wifi for his spycams. (those spycams were also never found)
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on July 29, 2019, 01:17:55 AM
Whoops! Kushner housing projects might be infested with rats.  :chuckle:

In fairness to Jared - who I dislike and whom I think is a bad influence on the President - Baltimore, like pretty much everywhere run by black Democrats - is a shit hole.   Detroit?  Shit hole.  Newark?  Shit hole.  St. Louis?  Shit hole.  And so it goes.

B/B
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on July 29, 2019, 03:29:18 AM
Mueller's testimony was a disaster for Dems. 

REALLY ?

Evidence from a straw poll suggests otherwise..

(https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/190726_Mueller-Exonerate_sidebar.png)

Please continue in your state of denial ..
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on July 29, 2019, 08:44:48 AM
Mueller's testimony was a disaster for Dems. 

Jim Jordan dunking on Mueller at will: Link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzSvlr_kObU&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR0HfQAmsTx5xz7MX5xAQmAIb3-RW51HwBb_roj9XQ6q0jMZ8qkRrqc_hKU).


Everything in the report was generated from lies.  From Mifsud to the LAUGHABLY false Steele Memo, to 2 years and $35M to come up with fundamentally ZERO evidence that the president conspired with the Russians to subvert the elections.  In fact, was a single American charged with a crime that fell withing the purview of what Mueller was *supposed* to be investigating?

This was a hit job by the Deep State (or swamp, if you prefer) on Trump.  And they blew it.

And consider this:

"Ruling party orders chief of secret police to spy on opposition candidate. Chief of secret police gets orders from secret tribunal based on shaky/fraudulent evidence from avowed enemy of opposition candidate. Spy chief leaks illegally recorded conversations. Two secret policeman conspire to entrap official from opposition leader's government, once he is sworn in."

Because that's what happened here. If this happened in Ukraine or Egypt, we'd be calling it an attempted coup.  Because that's what it is. 

The good news is that William Barr is at DOJ, where he should have been all along.  Heads are going to roll over this.

B/B

If you remember the timeline then you remember former CIA Director Brennan appeared multiple times on the media badmouthing Trump as well as the felonious Clapper character.

All their multiple attempts to steal the election away from Trump failed.

Although there was never any collusion Trump did it seems attempt to obstruct their witch-hunt, which we forgive him for.

Now soon it will be the other sides turn to answer some questions!!
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on July 29, 2019, 08:50:07 AM
Whoops! Kushner housing projects might be infested with rats.  :chuckle:

In fairness to Jared - who I dislike and whom I think is a bad influence on the President - Baltimore, like pretty much everywhere run by black Democrats - is a shit hole.   Detroit?  Shit hole.  Newark?  Shit hole.  St. Louis?  Shit hole.  And so it goes.

B/B

Jared wasn’t qualified to go to Harvard his Daddy pulled strings and he doesn’t belong in the White House either.

Of course anything Dems touch turns to shit and a black Dem? Marion Barry comes to mind. Squealing about alleged racism is a tacit admission that they’re not up to par.  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on July 31, 2019, 03:11:18 PM
LOL Hickenbloopers comment last night to the Bernie Bros leftists was that if the Dems go anymore lefty Socialist radical they will turn off the independents and are basically FedExing the Election to Trump - so - what did the Socialist Dumbocrats focus on last nite (Warren, Bernie, Beto et.al.) with the first 10 Dems circular Firing Squad?

Socialist Medicare Health Care for All - no Private Options even for their Union Bros.

Free Health Care for illegals that they call undocumented citizens.

No Borders No Walls No ICE No USA at all - Jebbie Bush lost when he said illegal immigration is not a crime it is an act of LOVE... an homage to his Mexican Wife who still has problems with the English language.  Now it is Bernie and Lizziehontas Crossing the Border should be decriminalized and all cappuccino colored peoples allowed to have instant asylum in the Nuevo Estados Unidos Norte y Del Sul America.

Reparations for all people who can show ancestry to African Slaves no mention of suing Dutch or English or god forbid Hebrew Slave Traders and Ship Owners and Cargo Insurers.

Of course Free College, Tuition Student Debt relief, Free Healthcare.

Green New Stealers in Force for FREE Everything with No Carbon economy in 12 years or the earth as we know it will end while India and SEA and Africa and South America and China pollute till their hearts content laughing at the dumb and dumber Euros, UKians, OZNZenders and DSA-CPUSA Dominated Academic Yank onanists all monitoring their Carbon Feet prints with Dumb Phone Apps designed to crush the Euro-Centric Economies and ready the EU and North and Central And South America for accelerated Africa style invasion by Chinese Red Army reserve technicians and laborers like the 40,000 who invaded Panama to build the 3rd Super Canal and can now overthrow Panama at will yet unlikely as Panama is a Great Place to hide and convert surplus Renminbi.

To pay for everything increase Capital Gains Taxes on everyone, Millionaires and Billionaires Taxes and make the FAANGS pay their "fair share" the FAANGS and Fortune 500 do business around the world and increasing their taxes means more offshoring of USA Jobs to China, India, Vietnam etc etc.

One Liberal Black BLM loving Lawyer I know was at the Man Cave ranting that he wants to See Kamala Harris Corey Booker ticket - I said: "I do too as that is a Fedex Election Win For Trump in a Slam Dunk!".

Trumps Reelection Campaign heard loud KaChing sounds as Wall Street, Health Care, Insurance, S&P500, SMBs and many successful middle and upper-middle-class folks all donating to Trump as insurance to fight off the rapacious Socialist CPUSA Communist Chinese collaborators Tax and Spend and Kill Whitey policies.

All Trump has to do is play balanced defense and aggressive offense once the Dems decide how socialist AOC Leftist Green New Steal they actually wind up going with their final Pres/VP Candidates ticket.
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on July 31, 2019, 03:20:26 PM
Again, in English please?
I tried Google Translate but it couldn't identify the language. :)
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on July 31, 2019, 03:21:01 PM
Mueller's testimony was a disaster for Dems. 

REALLY ?

Evidence from a straw poll suggests otherwise..

(https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/190726_Mueller-Exonerate_sidebar.png)

Please continue in your state of denial ..

El Mobsteriano at it again....

The USA Democrat party in one short lifetime - mine has gone from the WWII men who served Patriots Party of the Working Man (JFK et al) to the Modern Saul Alinsky loving DSA/CPUSA Democratic Socialist of America allied with the Communist Party of the USA TRAITORS and their Chinese Freaking Communist Party financial backers to invade and overthrow the USA - China is about to learn what Arse Porking the USA for the past 50 years is about to get them - sowing and reaping thing that it is.

It is telling that Post Russia Mueller is now a big MEH Nothing Burger and that China has gotten new focus as the ultimate threat to America after or alongside Climate Change... Even the Dems need a Bogeyman to win.  Orange man Russia Mueller Bad has lost its juice not to mention squeeze...

A couple of Moderate Dems last night were actually harsh about China and their penchant for hacking and intellectual property theft and heavily focused on returning Manufacturing to the USA via a Chief Manufacturing Secretary to coordinate all Fed Agencies and cut red tape for new plants and urban industrial renewal with public-private partnerships etc.

Lots of land and low cost energy here for UK Industrial and High Tech Expansion as well...

Mobsteriano you and your beloved Dem Communist Socialists are nearly as big an enemy to the USA as are you and your Red Coat Superiors CoL Globalists that they are.
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on July 31, 2019, 03:27:48 PM
Again, in English please?
I tried Google Translate but it couldn't identify the language. :)

LOLOL - Lord Afi - You need to brush up on your populist Ameriglish especially as Brexit likely to result in renewed USA UK Free Trade as an alternative to the 4th Reich Junkers/Merkele Mengele Fascists in your face FU policies toward your new PM.

OBTW this is the new slang being promulgated by the old left and new alt-right media so get with it man.

Just saying...

DEMS Circular Firing Squad Round Two tonite so will update tomorrow... likely just much more of the same Rhetoric but with sleepy Uncle Joe Biden being attacked for his RAAAAYCIST Old White Privilege by the two candidates of Color and new Obama Wannabees "Hollah for Kamala and Crookier Booker" and other assorted marxist Socialists and outright Communists.
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on July 31, 2019, 07:58:27 PM
She says President Trump has “conjured up a dark psychic force of collectivized hatred”. Well maybe he has!! I call it hatred of incompetence.  :laugh:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/media/marianne-williamson-2020-democratic-presidential-debate-trump-story.amp
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 01, 2019, 12:15:16 AM
Again, in English please?
I tried Google Translate but it couldn't identify the language. :)

You’re one to talk.
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on August 01, 2019, 01:28:39 AM

(https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/190726_Mueller-Exonerate_sidebar.png)

Spot where our Mikey offers a ripsote ..;)



El Mobsteriano at it again....

The USA Democrat party in one short lifetime - mine has gone from the WWII men who served Patriots Party of the Working Man (JFK et al) to the Modern Saul Alinsky loving DSA/CPUSA Democratic Socialist of America allied with the Communist Party of the USA TRAITORS and their Chinese Freaking Communist Party financial backers to invade and overthrow the USA - China is about to learn what Arse Porking the USA for the past 50 years is about to get them - sowing and reaping thing that it is.

It is telling that Post Russia Mueller is now a big MEH Nothing Burger and that China has gotten new focus as the ultimate threat to America after or alongside Climate Change... Even the Dems need a Bogeyman to win.  Orange man Russia Mueller Bad has lost its juice not to mention squeeze...

A couple of Moderate Dems last night were actually harsh about China and their penchant for hacking and intellectual property theft and heavily focused on returning Manufacturing to the USA via a Chief Manufacturing Secretary to coordinate all Fed Agencies and cut red tape for new plants and urban industrial renewal with public-private partnerships etc.

Lots of land and low cost energy here for UK Industrial and High Tech Expansion as well...

Mobsteriano you and your beloved Dem Communist Socialists are nearly as big an enemy to the USA as are you and your Red Coat Superiors CoL Globalists that they are.

Nope, me neither ..

Just Mikey tellng a Thatcherite supporter that they're a 'Commie' ..  :ROFL:
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on August 01, 2019, 05:00:48 AM
DEMS Circular Firing Squad Round Two tonite so will update tomorrow... likely just much more of the same Rhetoric but with sleepy Uncle Joe Biden being attacked for his RAAAAYCIST Old White Privilege by the two candidates of Color and new Obama Wannabees "Hollah for Kamala and Crookier Booker" and other assorted marxist Socialists and outright Communists.

Just watched a 5 minute summary on FB and it was pretty brutal for dirty old uncle Joe. Whilst they were mutilating each other live on TV, I could only watch thinking that Trump would be rubbing his hands and smiling.

From what I saw, they all just shat on each other and made themselves look like backstabbers. What a lovely group of people to elect into power.....
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on August 01, 2019, 06:49:32 AM

From what I saw, they all just shat on each other and made themselves look like backstabbers. What a lovely group of people to elect into power.....

 Reminiscent of the two last Tory 'leader' elections .. Boris v Gove.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36679738 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36679738)

I'm sure you didn't mean to step in it .. but you managed it - all the same ..
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on August 01, 2019, 06:56:15 AM
While I always expected that Trump would be your next president, it is so very saddening that the former most powerful nation on earth is being led by one such as he.
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on August 01, 2019, 10:00:39 AM
Last Nights Democrat CNN Circular Firing Squad Round 2:


First I will vote for Trump as it is very clear now that it is imperfect Patriot Trump versus the Saul Alinsky loving DSA/CPUSA allied with China and on China's Payroll supporting every possible policy that will Destroy the USA Economy and Balkanize and fracture the USA into Patriots versus Antifa and BLM Anarchists and Socialista gimmedats. Kruschev once said banging his shoe on the UN Dais that the Soviet Communists will provide the rope with which the USA will hang itself... he was 6 decades too late and it was in fact the Chinese who sold us billions of ropes and are systematically winning the economic, cyber, political and trade war with the USA - yet what did Round Two of the DSA Democrat Socialists of America focus on?

Uber Left Gov of Washedout State of Washington---- Literally in hysterics along with Yang that it is literally Too Late to reverse Climate Change yet the USA must Lead with the Radical $90 Trillion Dollar Green New Steal that will bankrupt and destroy our economy with Mad Max chaos running the streets and countryside... total insanity. Yang was saying with a straight face we have to move everyone to high ground now! Florida has high ground? Here is an investment tip - the Netherlands companies with Sea Dike and Ocean Surge barriers expertise will make a killing - it is what it is yet even Yang admitted that the USA only emits 15% of the World's Carbon output so we have to lead via the Paris Climate accords so the rest of the world will follow. Does anyone really believe in that Polly Anna strategy - China loves its pollution as it kills off millions of its surplus population every year and their billionaires can afford Private Villas on sea islands like Hainan near North Vietnam.

It started with a battle Royale between Medicare for all and hybrid choice if you like your current insurance you can keep it basically an expanded Obama Biden care so Sleepy Uncle Joe can fill his coffers with HMA, Insurance, and Big Pharma donations to keep the 10X margins on life-saving insulin.

Side note they spent at least 20% of their time on this Topic and all the Wannabees took Dead Aim at Sleepy Uncle Joe all night long and by the time he debates Trump one on one, Sleepy Uncle Joe may be mortally wounded by the 19 other members of the Democrat Socialists of America Circular Firing squad...

Then Immigration - Free Health Care and Free Education and full-ride welfare for all who cross our borders and agree to vote for the Democrat Socialists Gimmedat party.

Impeach Impeach Impeach Impeach TRUMP as Orange man is a Russian Agent along with Moscow Mitch McConnel - WTF we are under attack from all sides by the ultra-aggressive Chinese Communist Regime and the CFR Controlled puppet MSM with CNN their poster bishes ranting on about Russia Russia Russia when Russia is a natural ally against Resource Rapacious China coveting all the Natural Resources in Mongolia and Siberia... Only thing stopping a full-on invasion of East Russia by China is the size and accuracy of mother Russias new massive hypersonic Nukes. So China conducts a soft invasion with millions of surplus laborers that bring their cultural and political loyalties with them to work in Siberia.

The CFR CoL Rothschild Banksters want to massively drown the Russians in debt and control their Central bank and the Russians are having none of it and looking to destroy the CoL CFR Bankster Globalists instead.

Circling back to No Borders No Walls No USA at All - in homage to the Statue of Liberty give us all of your wretched refuse (Who wrote that treasonous Poem and allowed that Trojan Horse Statue in the First Place?) - Ah Yes the French Anarchists...

And all the economically insane Green New Deal Open Borders Democrat Socialists of America that want to flood the USA with Low IQ workers who can not hope to compete in an AI ML Controlled Mega-Tech world and will be locked into the Dems Welfare Plantation for Generations to come. All the while dividing the USA up into clusters of Rural Patriots and Urban Antifa BLM Anarchists easy for a soft Chinese Factory and Workers invasion as I mentioned in regard to the Giant 3rd Panama Canal above.

Freedom or Chinese one-party Marxist Socialist Communism the choice is clear.

Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 01, 2019, 11:10:16 AM
You might need to break that down Cuffy. Andrew has a hard time reading and comprehending your version of American English.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on August 02, 2019, 08:52:35 AM

DEMS Circular Firing Squad Round Two tonite so will update tomorrow... likely just much more of the same Rhetoric but with sleepy Uncle Joe Biden being attacked for his RAAAAYCIST Old White Privilege by the two candidates of Color and new Obama Wannabees "Hollah for Kamala and Crookier Booker" and other assorted marxist Socialists and outright Communists.

Those Democrats really know how to pickem don't they? 

Trump meanwhile is sending them cases of ammunition so
they can reload, he doesn't want the firing squad run out of
ammo and have extra bullets for the survivors so they can also
fire a round into their foot.


Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on August 03, 2019, 05:02:48 PM
Put your Ameriglish Translation or Tin Foil hats on - ready for Round One and Two Summary of the 2020 Dems Circular Firing Squad all the while Multi Billionaire Califorcating Uber Liberal Tom Steyer saying he will outspend them all with $100 Million and running ads all over early primary states like New Moo Hampshire and Ioway...

LOL Hickenbloopers comment last night to the Bernie Bros leftists was that if the Dems go anymore lefty Socialist radical they will turn off the independents and are basically FedExing the Election to Trump - so - what did the Socialist Dumbocrats focus on last nite (Warren, Bernie, Beto et.al.) with the first 10 Dems circular Firing Squad?

Socialist Medicare Health Care for All - no Private Options even for their Union Bros.

Free Health Care for illegals that they call undocumented citizens.

No Borders No Walls No ICE No USA at all - Jebbie Bush lost when he said illegal immigration is not a crime it is an act of LOVE... an homage to his Mexican Wife who still has problems with the English language. Now it is Bernie and Lizziehontas Crossing the Border should be decriminalized and all cappuccino colored peoples allowed to have instant asylum in the Nuevo Estados Unidos Norte y Del Sul America.

Reparations for all people who can show ancestry to African Slaves no mention of suing Dutch or English or god forbid Hebrew Slave Traders and Ship Owners and Cargo Insurers.

Of course Free College, Tuition Student Debt relief, Free Healthcare.

Green New Stealers in Force for FREE Everything with No Carbon economy in 12 years or the earth as we know it will end while India and SEA and Africa and South America and China pollute till their hearts content laughing at the dumb and dumber Euros, UKians, OZNZenders and DSA-CPUSA Dominated Academic Yank onanists all monitoring their Carbon Feet prints with Dumb Phone Apps designed to crush the Euro-Centric Economies and ready the EU and North and Central And South America for accelerated Africa style invasion by Chinese Red Army reserve technicians and laborers like the 40,000 who invaded Panama to build the 3rd Super Canal and can now overthrow Panama at will yet unlikely as Panama is a Great Place to hide and convert surplus Renminbi.

To pay for everything increase Capital Gains Taxes on everyone, Millionaires and Billionaires Taxes and make the FAANGS pay their "fair share" the FAANGS and Fortune 500 do business around the world and increasing their taxes means more offshoring of USA Jobs to China, India, Vietnam etc etc.

One Liberal Black BLM loving Lawyer I know was at the Man Cave ranting that he wants to See Kamala Harris Corey Booker ticket - I said: "I do too as that is a Fedex Election Win For Trump in a Slam Dunk!".

Trumps Reelection Campaign heard loud KaChing sounds as Wall Street, Health Care, Insurance, S&P500, SMBs and many successful middle and upper-middle-class folks all donating to Trump as insurance to fight off the rapacious Socialist CPUSA Communist Chinese collaborators 90% Tax and Spend and Kill Whitey policies.

All Trump has to do is play balanced defense and aggressive offense once the Dems decide how socialist AOC Leftist Green New Steal they actually wind up going with their final Pres/VP Candidates ticket.

Democrat CNN Circular Firing Squad Shoot at Sleepy Uncle Joe Round Two...

First I will vote for Trump as it is very clear now that it is imperfect Patriot Trump versus the Saul Alinsky loving DSA/CPUSA allied with China and on China's Payroll supporting every possible policy that will Destroy the USA Economy and Balkanize and fracture the USA into Patriots versus Antifa and BLM Anarchists and Socialista gimmedats. Kruschev once said banging his shoe on the UN Dais that the Soviet Communists will provide the rope with which the USA will hang itself... he was 6 decades too late and it was, in fact, the Chinese who sold us billions of ropes and are systematically winning the economic, cyber, political and trade war with the USA - yet what did Round Two of the DSA Democrat Socialists of America focus on?

Uber Left Gov of Washedout State of Washington---- Literally in hysterics along with Yang that it is literally Too Late to reverse Climate Change yet the USA must Lead with the Radical $90 Trillion Dollar Green New Steal that will bankrupt and destroy our economy with Mad Max chaos running the streets and countryside... total insanity. Yang was saying with a straight face we have to move everyone to high ground now! Florida has high ground? Here is an investment tip - the Netherlands companies with Sea Dike and Ocean Surge barriers expertise will make a killing - it is what it is yet even Yang admitted that the USA only emits 15% of the World's Carbon output so we have to lead via the Paris Climate accords so the rest of the world will follow. Does anyone really believe in that Polly Anna strategy - China loves its pollution as it kills off millions of its surplus population every year and their billionaires can afford Private Villas on sea islands like Hainan near North Vietnam.

It started with a battle Royale between Medicare for all and hybrid choice if you like your current insurance you can keep it basically an expanded Obama Biden care so Sleepy Uncle Joe can fill his coffers with HMO, Insurance, and Big Pharma donations to keep their 10X margins on life-saving insulin and all other drugs.

Side note they spent at least 20% of their time on this Topic and all the Wannabees took Dead Aim at Sleepy Uncle Joe all night long and by the time he debates Trump one on one, Sleepy Uncle Joe may be mortally wounded by the 19 other members of the Democrat Socialists of America Circular Firing squad...

Then Immigration - Free Health Care and Free Education and full-ride welfare for all who cross our borders and agree to vote for the Democrat Socialists Gimmedat party.

Impeach Impeach Impeach Impeach TRUMP as Orange man is a Russian Agent along with Moscow Mitch McConnel - WTF we are under attack from all sides by the ultra-aggressive Chinese Communist Regime and the CFR Controlled puppet MSM with CNN their poster bishes ranting on about Russia Russia Russia when Russia is a natural ally against Resource Rapacious China coveting all the Natural Resources in Mongolia and Siberia... Only thing stopping a full-on invasion of East Russia by China is the size and accuracy of mother Russias new massive hypersonic Nukes. So China conducts a soft invasion with millions of surplus laborers that bring their cultural and political loyalties with them to work in Siberia.

The CFR CoL Rothschild Banksters want to massively drown the Russians in debt and control their Central bank and the Russians are having none of it and looking to destroy the CoL CFR Bankster Globalists instead.

Circling back to No Borders No Walls No USA at All - in homage to the Statue of Liberty give us all of your wretched refuse (Who wrote that treasonous Poem and allowed that Trojan Horse Statue in the First Place?) - Ah Yes the French Anarchists...

And all the economically insane Green New Deal Open Borders Democrat Socialists of America that want to flood the USA with Low IQ workers who can not hope to compete in an AI ML Controlled Mega-Tech world and will be locked into the Dems Welfare Plantation for Generations to come. All the while dividing the USA up into clusters of Rural Patriots and Urban Antifa BLM Anarchists easy for a soft Chinese Factory and Workers invasion as I mentioned in regard to the Giant 3rd Panama Canal above.

Freedom or Chinese one-party Marxist Socialist Communism the choice is clear.


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Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on August 03, 2019, 05:11:43 PM
Brilliant YT Video Why the Dems DSA/CPUSA has swung so hard left:

On Marxism in America, the Communist China Threat, Unconventional Warfare & Hong Kong—Joshua Philipp

Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 07, 2019, 11:45:21 AM
Tucker Carlson talks about the latest hoax in America.


https://theweek.com/speedreads/857574/fox-news-tucker-carlson-claims-problem-white-supremacy-hoax
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 11, 2019, 08:18:05 PM
And the reality of Trump actions versus media lies.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/magazine/wp/2019/08/07/feature/the-trump-appointee-whos-putting-white-supremacists-in-jail/?noredirect=on
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 12, 2019, 07:10:31 PM
Trump tweets insinuation about Bill Clinton and Epstein.  :chuckle:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/us/politics/trump-epstein-conspiracy-theories.amp.html
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 12, 2019, 07:17:17 PM
Good!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/us/politics/trump-immigration-policy.amp.html
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 18, 2019, 02:51:04 PM
Coup plotters to be indicted?

Apparently, the constant and casual rummaging through the private communications of the substantial number of targets from highly sensitive unauthorized raw section 702 FISA data had become so casual and clueless and careless that it was brought to Roger’s attention.

Admiral Rodgers immediately shut down all access to the program from contractors and outside sources in April of 2016. All of a sudden the flow of easy spy surveillance was cut off. For Clapper and Brennan, and Comey, Ben Rhodes and Samantha Powers and Susan Rice, that must have come as quite a shock.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.commdiginews.com/politics-2/trump-crime-victim-time-to-indict-coup-plotters-117997/amp/
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: MBS01 on August 18, 2019, 02:56:53 PM
Interesting read here that Denmark is not willing to sell "Greenland and its 50,000 citizens" to USA just to make Donald's dreams come true.  Talk about international trafficking of innocent people!!!  One has to wonder if he still has any marble left to play with?
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 18, 2019, 03:11:44 PM
Interesting read here that Denmark is not willing to sell "Greenland and its 50,000 citizens" to USA just to make Donald's dreams come true.  Talk about international trafficking of innocent people!!!  One has to wonder if he still has any marbles left to play with?

Yes, unlike your neutered PM Trudeau President Trump definitely has some marbles!  :laugh:

Your post reminds me of election night 2016. Those who under estimate Trump usually end up with egg on their faces.

         
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on August 19, 2019, 05:45:31 AM

From what I saw, they all just shat on each other and made themselves look like backstabbers. What a lovely group of people to elect into power.....

 Reminiscent of the two last Tory 'leader' elections .. Boris v Gove.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36679738 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36679738)

I'm sure you didn't mean to step in it .. but you managed it - all the same ..

I can see you're trying hard to instigate an argument here with your silly comments. The televised Tory leadership debate was nothing like the the one we saw of the Dems.

Nice try though, it must be lonely under that bridge.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 21, 2019, 11:03:50 AM
As the 2020 election draws nearer Trump is getting a lot of donations from a very surprising place — the bluest of blue states.

Sadly my home state is one of those blue states. Actually I like the high literacy rates but some of the other problems with liberals; not so much.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/in-blue-seattle-trump-supporters-are-starting-to-come-out-of-hiding/%3famp=1


The latest federal-election reports show that Trump is doing surprisingly well getting backers in this bluest of blue places. With nearly 15 months to go before the 2020 election, he already has drawn more donations from Seattle addresses than he did during the entire 2016 campaign.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 21, 2019, 11:12:52 AM
More:

Californian’s tired of having their state destroyed, donate heavily to Trump.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/18/california-resistance-donald-trump-2020-election
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on August 22, 2019, 12:17:27 AM
Carry on kidding yourself ..

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/ (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/)

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 22, 2019, 03:19:35 PM
Trump is sometimes a bonehead yet this definitely takes the prize as being his most boneheaded move so far.  :chuckle:


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/world/europe/greenland-denmark-trump.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Tom Cat on August 23, 2019, 07:57:04 AM
Trump is sometimes a bonehead yet this definitely takes the prize as being his most boneheaded move so far.  :chuckle:


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/world/europe/greenland-denmark-trump.html

There's a lot of good reasons to purchase Greenland.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on August 23, 2019, 08:27:32 AM
Not a boneheaded idea. But, of course, the reactions from all parties are to be expected.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on August 23, 2019, 10:51:32 AM
Trump is sometimes a bonehead yet this definitely takes the prize as being his most boneheaded move so far.  :chuckle:


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/world/europe/greenland-denmark-trump.html

There's a lot of good reasons to purchase Greenland.

which are equally good reasons not to sell.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 23, 2019, 10:52:56 AM
Not a boneheaded idea. But, of course, the reactions from all parties are to be expected.

His poor diplomacy in regards to his cancellation of his trip to Denmark is what I was referring to.

Try to keep up. Read the link that was provided and ask questions if you’re confused.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 23, 2019, 10:56:10 AM
Trump is sometimes a bonehead yet this definitely takes the prize as being his most boneheaded move so far.  :chuckle:


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/21/world/europe/greenland-denmark-trump.html

There's a lot of good reasons to purchase Greenland.

which are equally good reasons not to sell.

Exactly. And it was in very poor form that Trump cancelled the trip and in the process insulted all the people of Denmark. Bonehead needs to stop making boneheaded diplomatic screwups.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on August 23, 2019, 12:34:27 PM
Confederate, you wrote a post, you made a comment.

Trump suggesting buying Greenland is, from the perspective of the USA, very far from boneheaded.

As I noted the reactions were to be expected, including his.

I am sorry that you don't even understand what you yourself wrote.

Confederate, looks up at the average people and wishes he was that bright.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 23, 2019, 12:44:48 PM
Confederate, you wrote a post, you made a comment.

Trump suggesting buying Greenland is, from the perspective of the USA, very far from boneheaded.

As I noted the reactions were to be expected, including his.

I am sorry that I’m too stubborn, dumb & arrogant to read the link in order to understand the context and meaning of the post.

FTFY

Is dementia setting in old chap?

In no way did I criticize Trump wanting to buy Greenland. I would have spelled that out for the thick ones like you and Moby.

If you had read the link you would have understood the context and therefore the meaning of all the words in the post.

If you’re too dumb, lazy, arrogant and bull-headed to comprehend simple words you cannot be helped.

Dementia can be helped with certain meds if you go right away. Good luck with that.

Read the link contained in my post. It talks about  Denmark’s reaction to him canceling the visit
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on August 23, 2019, 02:05:14 PM
{Words}

Ouch (https://www.euroburn.org/burn-centres/).

 :ROFL:

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on August 23, 2019, 03:56:58 PM
No point in running around circles picking up shit after a mental incontinent.

Have a nice day.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 25, 2019, 09:54:52 PM
A “no win trade war” with China?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d620131e4b02cc97c8ec7af/amp
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on August 25, 2019, 11:28:46 PM
A “no win trade war” with China?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d620131e4b02cc97c8ec7af/amp

There was a time in America's history we didn't trade with China and was doing fine. We don't do much trading with Iran, N Korea, and Venezuela and it really doesn't matter. We'll find new trade partners after awhile when importers find it more profitable to import from other nations.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on August 26, 2019, 05:17:53 AM
From the Trumpian perspective, substituting one exporter for another is not a solution to the problem. What Trump is seeking is autarky - a similar system to that which Russia follows where domestic production is substituted for imports. That's a laudable goal but currently not possible in the USA due to the lack of requisite resources. Only when the U.S can provide a mixture of skills and productivity currently provided by its trading partners can that happen.

Don't forget that, for China, the U.S market is in money terms a relatively small part of its economy while for the U.S, imports (particularly viewed as exports of dollars) are a huge part of the economy.

Of course, underlying all else is the concern of the U.S at the highest levels that the U.S should remain predominant in all fields; this policy makes it impossible for negotiations about trade and other economic matters to be carried out honestly because what might serve goals on one level will not serve the U.S well in terms of this preeminent idea and goal.

It seems that China, in particular, and others, in general, are taking the view that it is easier and safer to simply exclude the U.S from consideration. The 'partners' of the U.S are no longer seeking to manage the U.S and its decline, but rather to isolate and force autarky upon the U.S economy before the U.S is able to implement the strategy.
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on August 26, 2019, 09:07:34 AM
Trumps approval ratings among Republicans are in the 80's and up Joe Walsh
is a nutter and has zero chance.

Joe Walsh announces Republican primary challenge against Trump
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/exclusive-joe-walsh-announces-republican-primary-challenge-president/story?id=65122073
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on August 29, 2019, 02:21:11 PM
Looks like the new Trumpian GOP has cleaned house of its never Trump 2016 and 2018 saboteurs and invested some of their huge and growing 2020 warchest into some very polished marketing and messaging:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1166790123658371073

https://twitter.com/i/status/1166769660450226177
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on August 29, 2019, 02:57:18 PM
Bad news for 2019 Q4 and yet great news for 2020 Q1/Q2 and why Donald John Trump is re-elected in 2020:

https://www.tradingview.com/chart/ESU2019/WMPgPYrT-ESU19-S-P-Emini-Dec-24-2018-Swing-Low-to-26-July-19-ATH-ABC/

ESU19 S&P Emini Dec 24, 2018 Swing Low to 26 July 19, ATH ABC

A Begin 2347.25, A High 3029.50 = 682.25

682.25 * .618= 421.50

3029.50 ATH (A High) - 421.50 = 2608 B Wave Target 2Oct19 which is a perfect 0.618 retracement from ATH to Dec 24 Swing low.

2608 B Target + 682 (A=C) target 2 March 2020 = 3290/3300 as the market moves in 50s and 100s 3300 being a century target.


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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on August 29, 2019, 03:08:10 PM
A “no win trade war” with China?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d620131e4b02cc97c8ec7af/amp

There was a time in America's history we didn't trade with China and was doing fine. We don't do much trading with Iran, N Korea, and Venezuela and it really doesn't matter. We'll find new trade partners after awhile when importers find it more profitable to import from other nations.

+1 Exactly...



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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on August 29, 2019, 03:13:31 PM
Hot diggity dang Silver en Fuego - was $14.50 an ounce a couple months ago...

When Silver hits $20 per Oz I will have to get creative on marketing my pre 1964 US Silver coins and current Silver Eagles and Can/Oz .999 and .9999 silver 1 oz coins stash.

Biz model: buy on silver content value and sell for Numismatic rarity value...

http://www.coinflation.com/silver_coin_values.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: dcguyusa on August 29, 2019, 03:34:50 PM
Quote
Biz model: buy on silver content value and sell for Numismatic rarity value...

This is what I did prior to 2003 when Au was under $400/oz and Ag under $5/oz. I loaded up on Morgan dollars and some gold Liberty coins.  Looked through color catalogs of silver and gold coins from the 19th to 20th centuries.   Ahh, the good old days.   :money: :king: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 29, 2019, 08:06:02 PM
A “no win trade war” with China?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5d620131e4b02cc97c8ec7af/amp

There was a time in America's history we didn't trade with China and was doing fine. We don't do much trading with Iran, N Korea, and Venezuela and it really doesn't matter. We'll find new trade partners after awhile when importers find it more profitable to import from other nations.

+1 Exactly...


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Welcome back Cufflinks.  :thumbsup:

Yes I agree with Billy and you that we did fine without China before Nixon made his historic deal.

I believe the middle class was better off without doing business with China. Walmart screwed their workers and especially American suppliers for sheer greed.

When Walmart workers still need to get food stamps the taxpayers must pay for that, while Wall Street sharks profited Mid West suppliers were bankrupted.

This is a major reason Trump was elected. Hope we get a fair deal soon, but his efforts were overdue.  :coffeeread:

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on September 04, 2019, 04:29:02 PM
WalMart, when Sam Walton was alive, was a Made in America Company founded by a WWII Pilot Patriot...  He would have the current lot of Pro-Communist Freaking Red Chinese managers shot figuratively in a giant jobs Firing Trump Style and perhaps a real Arkansas Firing Squad for the hardcore traitors.

After his passing his kids turned the Company over to McKinsey/Bain etc consultants that WalMart needed to globalize to be competitive in the world economy - then they became Predatory Capitalists in the USA competing with other predators like Amazon.

Once the USMCA is ratified I predict Andrew Yang will be prophetic in the rapid adoption of AI/ML Controlled Robotics all across the USMCA and extend through the rest of the Americas especially once the US Consumer gains a conscience again and does not buy from a corrupt polluted regime that promotes child slave labor and organ harvesting.  The time to cut the Communist Freaking Red Chinese out of our supply chain is LONG OVERDUE.

Do what the Scandinavians do - buy good quality that lasts and not cheap junk you have to throw away!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on September 04, 2019, 04:36:18 PM
As far as Denmark goes I can not recall anything I have ever bought from Denmark not even cheese...  whereas Italy, Germany and France quite a bit - even olives from Greece...

Is Denmark even viable in the modern world without Fortress EU?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on September 04, 2019, 05:14:50 PM
Talking of Trump, it’s like the liberal news and the socialists have forgotten all about him this week in the UK. Their hands are too full with derailing democracy to bother getting het up about some non issue, blamed on Trump.

Isn’t it amazing how powerful the opin-news is?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on September 04, 2019, 05:18:22 PM
As far as Denmark goes I can not recall anything I have ever bought from Denmark not even cheese...  whereas Italy, Germany and France quite a bit - even olives from Greece...

Is Denmark even viable in the modern world without Fortress EU?

Its quite ironic that a country dependant on bacon exports, are so keen to import Muslim men.  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: dcguyusa on September 04, 2019, 05:20:28 PM
As far as Denmark goes I can not recall anything I have ever bought from Denmark not even cheese...  whereas Italy, Germany and France quite a bit - even olives from Greece...

Is Denmark even viable in the modern world without Fortress EU?

I always see Danish butter cookies tin cans on sale during Xmas and Danish ham at the warehouse club store on sale.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on September 05, 2019, 04:57:50 AM
Given that Denmark runs a positive ratio of imports and exports I think we can safely infer that they do have a full economy, that it functions effectively and that they export goods and services to a greater degree than they import.

If talking of viability, Denmark is a shining beacon on a hill, compared to the United States which, in the terms cufflinks chose, is clearly non-viable.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: dcguyusa on September 06, 2019, 05:20:11 PM
Quote
"There's just no getting through to him, and you can kiss your plans for the day goodbye because you're basically stuck looking after a 4-year-old now."

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-aides-worried-about-mental-state-alabama-hurricane-dorian-2019-9

 :GRRRR: :whist11:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on September 07, 2019, 02:19:50 AM
As far as Denmark goes I can not recall anything I have ever bought from Denmark not even cheese...  whereas Italy, Germany and France quite a bit - even olives from Greece...

Is Denmark even viable in the modern world without Fortress EU?

Are you sure you never bought LEGO ?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on September 07, 2019, 02:58:19 AM
As far as Denmark goes I can not recall anything I have ever bought from Denmark not even cheese...  whereas Italy, Germany and France quite a bit - even olives from Greece...

Is Denmark even viable in the modern world without Fortress EU?

Are you sure you never bought LEGO ?

There is the Carlsberg Group as well as A.P. Møller-Maersk.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on September 07, 2019, 03:46:52 AM
About 75% of Danish exports are to the EU. Only about 37% of GDP is derived from exports, less than even the United States.

Top Exports:
Machinery including computers: US$14.6 billion (13.5% of total exports)
Pharmaceuticals: $14.4 billion (13.4%)
Electrical machinery, equipment: $8.7 billion (8.1%)
Mineral fuels including oil: $5.4 billion (5%)
Optical, technical, medical apparatus: $4.2 billion (3.9%)
Meat: $3.6 billion (3.4%)
Vehicles: $3.1 billion (2.9%)
Furniture, bedding, lighting, signs, prefab buildings: $3 billion (2.8%)
Dairy, eggs, honey: $2.9 billion (2.7%)
Fish: $2.9 billion (2.7%)

Bacon, Danish bacon - good stuff! We like Danish butter too!


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on September 07, 2019, 09:33:27 AM
About 75% of Danish exports are to the EU. Only about 37% of GDP is derived from exports, less than even the United States.

Top Exports:
Machinery including computers: US$14.6 billion (13.5% of total exports)
Pharmaceuticals: $14.4 billion (13.4%)
Electrical machinery, equipment: $8.7 billion (8.1%)
Mineral fuels including oil: $5.4 billion (5%)
Optical, technical, medical apparatus: $4.2 billion (3.9%)
Meat: $3.6 billion (3.4%)
Vehicles: $3.1 billion (2.9%)
Furniture, bedding, lighting, signs, prefab buildings: $3 billion (2.8%)
Dairy, eggs, honey: $2.9 billion (2.7%)
Fish: $2.9 billion (2.7%)

Bacon, Danish bacon - good stuff! We like Danish butter too!

My supermarket carries Danish butter, I tried some last year and it was excellent.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Tom Cat on September 10, 2019, 03:19:13 PM
One of the best things President Trump has done lately.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: dcguyusa on September 10, 2019, 03:50:38 PM
Quote
"John Bolton just texted me. Just now, he's watching. He said 'let's be clear: I resigned.'"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/i-resigned-bolton-fights-back-after-trump-says-he-fired-him/ar-AAH5RQv

And again, another one bites the dust.   Just fire the whole executive office staff.   :ROFL:  :whist11: :chuckle: :'(
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on September 10, 2019, 05:15:16 PM
Quote
"John Bolton just texted me. Just now, he's watching. He said 'let's be clear: I resigned.'"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/i-resigned-bolton-fights-back-after-trump-says-he-fired-him/ar-AAH5RQv

And again, another one bites the dust.   Just fire the whole executive office staff.   :ROFL:  :whist11: :chuckle: :'(

Whether he resigned or was fired does not matter. Lets just say 'Praise the Lord'. His past accomplishments are dubious at best and his demeanor more of a junk yard dog.

As far as I concerned he crawled out of the swamp. While I could go on it is simply good riddance.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: dcguyusa on September 10, 2019, 05:59:20 PM
Quote
"John Bolton just texted me. Just now, he's watching. He said 'let's be clear: I resigned.'"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/i-resigned-bolton-fights-back-after-trump-says-he-fired-him/ar-AAH5RQv

And again, another one bites the dust.   Just fire the whole executive office staff.   :ROFL:  :whist11: :chuckle: :'(

Whether he resigned or was fired does not matter. Lets just say 'Praise the Lord'. His past accomplishments are dubious at best and his demeanor more of a junk yard dog.

As far as I concerned he crawled out of the swamp. While I could go on it is simply good riddance.


if you really think about it, Trump is doing what many advise to do when dating FSU women.  When it does not work out with your selected date, "you kick them to the curb". :chuckle:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on September 11, 2019, 09:33:24 AM
Quote
"John Bolton just texted me. Just now, he's watching. He said 'let's be clear: I resigned.'"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/i-resigned-bolton-fights-back-after-trump-says-he-fired-him/ar-AAH5RQv

And again, another one bites the dust.   Just fire the whole executive office staff.   :ROFL:  :whist11: :chuckle: :'(

Whether he resigned or was fired does not matter. Lets just say 'Praise the Lord'. His past accomplishments are dubious at best and his demeanor more of a junk yard dog.

As far as I concerned he crawled out of the swamp. While I could go on it is simply good riddance.


Word. Simply an answer to prayer for some of us!

He really never should have fired McMaster.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1051996
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on September 11, 2019, 09:34:03 AM
source
www.thehill.com

more

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/460912-cnns-dana-bash-nc-election-shows-trump-republicans-are-building-unbelievably


Republican pulls off critical win in North Carolina
CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Republican Dan Bishop edged out Democrat Dan McCready in the special election on Tuesday to represent North Carolina’s 9th Congressional District, narrowly holding on to a House seat that has been in the GOP’s hands for nearly 60 years.
With 99 percent of precincts reporting, Bishop led McCready nearly 4,000 votes, or a little over 2 percent of ballots cast – a large enough margin to avoid the possibility of a recount. 
Bishop’s win brings to an end a political saga in the 9th District that has spanned more than two years.
A regularly scheduled election in the district last year showed then-Republican candidate Mark Harris leading McCready by a scant 905 votes. But state officials scrapped the results of that race earlier this year after uncovering a massive ballot fraud scheme allegedly operated by a contractor for Harris’s campaign. 
The controversy prompted Harris to step aside as the GOP nominee in the district, kicking off a 10-way primary race. Bishop, a conservative state senator and the North Carolina Republican Party’s preferred candidate, emerged as the winner of that contest. 
His victory on Tuesday was a major relief for Republicans, who have maintained an iron grip on the 9th District since 1963.
McCready even liked to remind supporters at his campaign rallies that former President Kennedy was in the White House the last time a Democrat represented the district. 
President Trump also carried the district in 2016 by a nearly 12-point margin over Hillary Clinton, and the special election on Tuesday was seen by Republicans as a sort of testing ground for his political messaging heading into 2020. 
Indeed, Bishop tied much of his campaign to his support for Trump. On the trail, he often talked about the need to build the president’s long-promised wall on the U.S. southern border and accused McCready of backing “socialist” policies, a key talking point of Trump and Republicans in Washington.
In a victory speech to supporters on Tuesday night, Bishop cast his win as a triumph for Trump. Without the president, he said, his election would not have been possible.
“Last night I told President Trump we weren’t tired of winning,” he said, referring to his appearance alongside Trump at a Monday-night rally in Fayetteville. “We’re not tired of winning. We’re just getting started winning, because we’re seeing the successful results of President Trump’s agenda.”
Democrats, meanwhile, took pains to avoid nationalizing the race, homing in on McCready’s credentials as a Marine Corps veteran and businessman as well as his moderate bona fides. 
The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, the House Democratic campaign arm, spent millions of dollars on field operations in the race, delving into paid advertising only in the final stretch of the race. And national Democrats largely refrained from appearing alongside McCready during the campaign.
Speaking to supporters in Charlotte after the election was called on Tuesday, McCready said that he had called Bishop to congratulate him on his win. He recalled his 27 months on the campaign trail, reassuring staffers, volunteers and supporters that their efforts weren’t in vain.
“The people of North Carolina stood up and we faced down the full force of election fraud and voter suppression,” McCready said. “When the people in power sought to silence the power of the voters, stole their ballots, forged signatures, filled in vote choices for them; when they perpetrated the largest case of election fraud in recent American history, we fought back and we won.”
“We were not successful tonight,” he continued, “but I want you to remember that victory postponed is not defeat.”
McCready’s supporters were somber after the race was called for Bishop.
“I knew it was going to come down to a few thousand votes,” José Santiago, a Union County Democratic Party official, said. “I was just hoping those votes would go in our direction.”
McCready ultimately trailed Bishop by a wider margin than he did Harris in 2018 – roughly 4,000 votes compared to 905 votes last year. Counties that McCready carried last year – Richmond in the central part of the district and Cumberland in the east – swung this time for Bishop, while the Republican grew his margins in battleground counties, like Robeson.
Bishop’s victory in the 9th District is a respite for Republicans after the party lost 40 House seats in the 2018 midterm elections, a phenomenon driven largely by suburban and female voters, who have begun to move away from the GOP under Trump’s presidency. 
The special election was also seen as something of a bellwether for 2020, when Trump himself will face reelection. 
Republicans sought to downplay that notion, pointing to McCready’s more than two years on the campaign trail and massive campaign bank account. Asked in an interview on Monday whether the results of the 9th District election foreshadowed what’s to come in 2020, Kayleigh McEnany, the national secretary for Trump’s reelection campaign, offered a firm “no.” 
There were signs, however, that Republicans were concerned about a possible loss in the special election. Republican and conservative groups spent millions on paid advertising in recent months, and Trump and Vice President Pence made last-minute appearances in the district on Monday in an effort to rally support for Bishop ahead of Election Day — efforts that ultimately appeared successful.
“The White House, Republican leadership and all our Republican and conservative partners were there for us every step of the way because they all understood what was at stake in this election,” Bishop said.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on September 11, 2019, 10:59:34 AM
Trump rips the Fed

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/09/11/business/economy/bonehead-trump-jay-powell.amp.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on September 11, 2019, 11:22:52 AM
Trump has to balance the value of the dollar against the welfare of the state and nation.

If he gets the Fed to go ZIRP or NIRP then the currency will fall. Of course, that's the very currency manipulation that he accused the Chinese of doing bt it was clear a couple of years ago that the global economy was likely to enter a period of competitive devaluation.

As the dollar falls, everything they buy gets more costly, a further burden on taxpayers. However, as with tariffs, Trump will blame the issue on external actors who have increased their dollar prices.

A lower dollar makes for greater difficulty selling US debt overseas and makes US assets less costly to buy so, if the Fed gives into Trumpian pressure, expect to see laws restricting the sale of US assets to foreign entities. Of course, that means that assets will either go unsold, or under expected prices, so there will be more business failures.

Basically, Trump's admin and the USA is being pulled in two directions, largely as a result of historical policy choices. Economists, researchers, analysts, and decision-makers who know much more than I do, all around the world, will have been expecting this - a matter of when, not if.

Now the matter of 'when' is being resolved - the time is now.
The how is becoming clear, devaluation.

How the world's decision-makers take their next move will be interesting. Firstly, of course, there will be more devaluations around the globe and, the Chinese, for example, are likely to remove, or broaden their dirty float against the dollar as a matter of self-defense.

Here's an old piece from the FT, interesting because it shows us that nothing is new - until, of course, it is.
https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2015/08/21/2138039/of-chinas-dirty-peg-and-spreading-em-pain/



Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: dcguyusa on September 11, 2019, 04:54:17 PM
If he follows the EU and Japan and go with negative interest rates, that is going to let loose a tidal wave of dumping of US Treasuries and money out of banks.   :money: ??? :nod:

https://www.marke*snip*ch.com/story/trump-tweets-support-for-negative-interest-rates-2019-09-11

N.B. The letters T-W-A-T were removed from the URL link above.   :ROFL: :censored:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on September 12, 2019, 07:12:08 PM
Is Denmark even viable in the modern world without Fortress EU?

Yes, they even have the Safri Duo!

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on September 16, 2019, 03:45:40 PM
One of our “allies” tells the truth.


https://www.businessinsider.com/top-researcher-suggests-israel-get-nastier-with-iran-sink-sub-illicit-false-flag-2012-9
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on September 18, 2019, 08:16:40 AM
Robert C. O’Brien to replace John Bolton.


Administration officials had viewed him as a safe choice given his strong rapport with colleagues at the State Department and the Pentagon. His “affable demeanor” contrasts with Bolton, who was known as a ruthless bureaucratic infighter, an administration official said last week, requesting anonymity to speak more candidly.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-taps-robert-c-obrien-to-replace-john-bolton-as-national-security-adviser/2019/09/18/5e629724-da18-11e9-bfb1-849887369476_story.html%3foutputType=amp
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on September 18, 2019, 08:28:20 PM
The interesting point about the Dan Bishop win over McReady Confed enumerated is that McReady was possibly the most moderate Dem running in the entire USA - a USMC Veteran who served in the Ragheadstans and a pro-business entrepreneur - was soundly beaten when Trump flew in to Rally for Bishop.

If they could not even win with a patriot moderate the Ultra Leftist Marxist Socialist pro-Communist Freaking Red Chinese anti-NRA AOC-Bernie-Nochaontas-Beto et.al. -  yes WE WILL take away your lawfully purchased firearms under the 2nd Amendment - are all facing a serious trouncing in 2020.  God Bless and protect the Commander in Chief Trump.

Just saw Fox News Laura Ingram do a segment about the War on Men - Dems White Males literally have to apologize for their toxic masculinity and masculine privilege now... can't make this shite up...
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on September 24, 2019, 03:54:59 PM
While the UK has its own circus called Brexit. The United States has decided to create its own circus.

There will be an impeachment inquiry into D. Trump regarding his conversation with Zelensky. You have two Presidents who are adamant that there was neither coercion or an implied threat to Ukrainian aid yet Democrats are going to try for impeachment on this tack.

The fact remains that Joe Biden pressured Porchenko to fire the Ukrainian top prosecutor because he was investigating Burma Holdings, the firm of Hunter Biden in Ukraine.

In the end I think the Democrats are going to end up worse off for this dubious play, than they are presently.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: dcguyusa on September 24, 2019, 05:08:26 PM
While the UK has its own circus called Brexit. The United States has decided to create its own circus.

There will be an impeachment inquiry into D. Trump regarding his conversation with Zelensky. You have two Presidents who are adamant that there was neither coercion or an implied threat to Ukrainian aid yet Democrats are going to try for impeachment on this tack.

The fact remains that Joe Biden pressured Porchenko to fire the Ukrainian top prosecutor because he was investigating Burma Holdings, the firm of Hunter Biden in Ukraine.

In the end I think the Democrats are going to end up worse off for this dubious play, than they are presently.


Kind of ironic that Ukraine (Biden investigation) and Russia (election meddling) have become the main focus of issues against Trump.  Whatever happened to the Billy Bush/Stormy Daniels saga?   :evilgrin0002: :chuckle: (:)

And another Ukraine related story.  A soldier wanted to join the Ukraine right sector movement.

Quote
"I don't know enough people that would be relevant enough to cause a change if they died,” he added.

https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-arrests-soldier-accused-plotting-194330789.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Tom Cat on September 25, 2019, 06:42:53 PM
While the UK has its own circus called Brexit. The United States has decided to create its own circus.

There will be an impeachment inquiry into D. Trump regarding his conversation with Zelensky. You have two Presidents who are adamant that there was neither coercion or an implied threat to Ukrainian aid yet Democrats are going to try for impeachment on this tack.

The fact remains that Joe Biden pressured Porchenko to fire the Ukrainian top prosecutor because he was investigating Burma Holdings, the firm of Hunter Biden in Ukraine.

In the end I think the Democrats are going to end up worse off for this dubious play, than they are presently.



As for Joe Bidens action,  and his sons position with the Ukraine gas company questions should be asked and answered.
I do recall Manny had commented on Bidens son a few years ago.  Wish I could find the post, as it seems he may have been fairly close to outlining the current situation.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on September 25, 2019, 08:15:33 PM
Interesting how some interpret 'facts' or the law..

As you used the UK as an example..

1/ I do not agree with your conclusions as to what the info we have seen suggests.

2/ VP Pence should also be included from correspondence I have seen.

3/ I thought Biden's son had been cleared ?

I say investigate Trampu, Pence and the Biden's   .

Problem is..unlike the UK...those in power control the Judges and the result....(
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on September 26, 2019, 05:53:39 AM
Interesting how some interpret 'facts' or the law..

As you used the UK as an example..

1/ I do not agree with your conclusions as to what the info we have seen suggests.

2/ VP Pence should also be included from correspondence I have seen.

3/ I thought Biden's son had been cleared ?

I say investigate Trampu, Pence and the Biden's   .

Problem is..unlike the UK...those in power control the Judges and the result....(

D. Trump is perhaps the most scrutinized and investigated President of the United States. I sort wonder in light of your post, you thought . . . does that happen once a month? But no the Biden's have not been investigated.

It is obvious you have zero understanding of the American political system.

The simple reality like the UK a small minority are holding up the will of the people.


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on September 26, 2019, 03:11:03 PM
The Russian story was a fake story created when Trump won the party nomination to use it against him if he won. The real conclusion with Russians (not Putin) was the Dems. This guy who came forward was an obviously mole planted by the Dems to find something against Trump if the Russian collusion story did not pan out. Since that blew up in July now they are going with this story.

No Ukraine never investigated Biden's son because the prosecutor, who was investigating this, was replaced at Biden request when he was vice President. Biden claimed he was not hard enough on corruption and it had nothing to do with his son. None the less Biden's son was paid three millions dollars for doing a job he knew nothing about and required very little of his time. The question has always been why was he paid three million dollars. What did he do that was worth this money?   
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on September 27, 2019, 12:02:44 PM
The Russian story was a fake story created when Trump won the party nomination to use it against him if he won. The real conclusion with Russians (not Putin) was the Dems. This guy who came forward was an obviously mole planted by the Dems to find something against Trump if the Russian collusion story did not pan out. Since that blew up in July now they are going with this story.

No Ukraine never investigated Biden's son because the prosecutor, who was investigating this, was replaced at Biden request when he was vice President. Biden claimed he was not hard enough on corruption and it had nothing to do with his son. None the less Biden's son was paid three million dollars for doing a job he knew nothing about and required very little of his time. The question has always been why was he paid three million dollars. What did he do that was worth this money?

It is called Influence Pedaling - UA $3M USD was a base hit for Hunter and Old Pops Joe then the Bank of China $1.5B as in freaking BILLIONS was the Grand Slameroo in the Yes we can beat out the Clinton's Foundation Shakedown racket - Oldest corruption trick in the book - never get caught taking any cash while you are in office - however set up a side business in your kid's; Adult Son or Daughters or Brother's etc name and funnel massive cash through that entity preferably offshore and not subject to US Court's scrutiny or asset freezes... making sure some side accounts are set up in the Companies name and you get the account logins and password/Plastic Card to move cash/electronic money wherever you might need it typically after you retire from office.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on September 27, 2019, 03:40:32 PM
Hunter Biden, aka Joe Biden's Worst Son and the "Neil Bush" of the Left, is a scumbag who was getting paid, $50K/mo to sit on the Burisma board when his sole qualification was...being Joe Biden's son. 

The Left has been trying to undo the election since the morning of 9 November, 2016.  The House will impeach Trump because they are past the "Hair on Fire" stage and their base will DEMAND it. 

There is ZERO chance that the ~21 GOP senators needed to convict Trump will defect - Romney will, but he's canceled out by Manchin (D-WV) who needs GOP votes to win.  There might be a couple of others, although that will not bode well for them as they will be abandoned by the GOP electorate (The GOP owes Trump a debt for defending the Senate when they had their asses hanging out in 2016.  The only two GOP Senators who lost on election night were Mark Kirk in Illinois - the GOP was NEVER going to hold that seat - and Kelly Ayotte in NH, who abandoned Trump over the "pussy grabbing" tape.) 

Trump will declare victory, and then go back out into the country and run against Nancy Pelosi and the swamp again. 

Biden is going to be hurt by this, which helps Warren and she's a nutbar.  The country already basically made clear that they would rather have Trump than some shrill, wrinkly old white lady, and she will have a lot of the problems Hillary had. 

It's going to be fun now that the gloves have come off.

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on September 27, 2019, 04:34:58 PM
BB +100
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on September 27, 2019, 05:41:30 PM
Could you imagine what would happen if one of Trumps children got paid three million dollars for doing some job in a foreign country that they no know nothing about the job nor put any time into it? 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on September 28, 2019, 02:30:12 AM
Could you imagine what would happen if one of Trumps children got paid three million dollars for doing some job in a foreign country that they no know nothing about the job nor put any time into it?

Excellent point.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on September 29, 2019, 07:55:47 PM
'Trampu' and Biden...? I cannot understand why our respective countries produce such dodgy characters as candidates to 'lead'.

Ukraine has said it is not investigating the Biden's and 'Trampu' is being investigated for suggesting Biden be investigated.

I am certain THAT is grounds for impeachment, if proven, but what is a fact, these days?

Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on September 30, 2019, 11:11:35 AM
'Trampu' and Biden...? I cannot understand why our respective countries produce such dodgy characters as candidates to 'lead'.

Ukraine has said it is not investigating the Biden's and 'Trampu' is being investigated for suggesting Biden be investigated.

I am certain THAT is grounds for impeachment, if proven, but what is a fact, these days?


Trump is constitutionally the highest law enforcement official in
the USA. So he can investigate anybody for anything illegal at
any time 'cuz the constitution says so.

I know you don't know much about our constitution not having
one yourself, but if you look at Article Two Section Three you
will find these words

"he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed"

So your "certain knowledge" about grounds for impeachment
is faulty.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on September 30, 2019, 11:18:21 AM
'Trampu' and Biden...? I cannot understand why our respective countries produce such dodgy characters as candidates to 'lead'.

Ukraine has said it is not investigating the Biden's and 'Trampu' is being investigated for suggesting Biden be investigated.

I am certain THAT is grounds for impeachment, if proven, but what is a fact, these days?

ms, is there any chance you can get a refund on your education?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on October 01, 2019, 03:42:17 AM
Why is moby posting?

He is doing exactly the same as always, trolling and lying.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on October 01, 2019, 05:20:10 AM
Why is moby posting?

He is doing exactly the same as always, trolling and lying.

His trolling and insults aren't getting through. On topic discussion only is.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on October 01, 2019, 08:21:01 AM
Why is moby posting?

He is doing exactly the same as always, trolling and lying.

His trolling and insults aren't getting through. On topic discussion only is.

This is untrue.

 
Quote
Since we have won the absolute majority in our Parliament, the next prosecutor general will be 100% my person, my candidate, who will be approved by the parliament and will start as a new prosecutor in September. He or she will look into the situation, specifically to the company that you mentioned in this issue. The issue of the investigation of the case is actually the issue of making sure to restore the honesty so we will take care of that and will work on the investigation of the case. On top of that, I would kindly ask you if you have any additional information that you can provide to us, it would be very helpful for the investigation
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/25/us/politics/trump-ukraine-transcript.html

Ukraine is not investigating President Trump over Biden. That's ridiculous and, of course moby knows it.

Quote
Ukraine has said it is not investigating the Biden's and 'Trampu' is being investigated for suggesting Biden be investigated.

This time he didn't even bother to put a dishonest link.

You're being trolled.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on October 01, 2019, 11:04:02 AM
'Trampu' and Biden...? I cannot understand why our respective countries produce such dodgy characters as candidates to 'lead'.

Ukraine has said it is not investigating the Biden's and 'Trampu' is being investigated for suggesting Biden be investigated.

I am certain THAT is grounds for impeachment, if proven, but what is a fact, these days?

ms, is there any chance you can get a refund on your education?

 :ROFL:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on October 01, 2019, 11:25:44 AM
Am I 'trolling' or can Fifi not read..?

What part of Ukraine are not investigating the Bidens was unclear?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on October 01, 2019, 01:04:37 PM
BREAKING CNN NEWS:
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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on October 01, 2019, 02:27:13 PM
Maybe the whole thing is just a set up?

Ukraine was not investigation and was still not investigating after phone call. Ukraine got there money before complaint was filed.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/wyoming-rep-liz-cheney-ukraine-phone-call-is-starting-to-seem-like-a-political-set-up-against-donald-trump/ar-AAI5Yvs?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U218DHP
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on October 01, 2019, 04:39:16 PM
ms, this might come to you as surprise but the United States and Ukraine and a host of other nations signed a bilateral treaty during the first Obama Presidency. This treaty gave the United States and foreign governments the ability to investigate possible malfeasance and illegal actions of citizens abroad.

With out a doubt the present President is aware of this and has a very strong defense against the shenanigans of the Democratic Party.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on October 02, 2019, 12:54:19 AM
AvHdB,

1/ it might be that you are taking your frustration at your President's discomfort at his actions being examined out on me?...

2/ You pointed out about law and so I will simply respond....'due process'....

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on October 02, 2019, 12:08:31 PM
Radical Left unleashes War on U.S. soil:

https://www.infowars.com/full-breakdown-of-deep-state-escalation-that-will-end-in-attempted-assassination-of-president-trump/

Full Breakdown of Deep State Escalation That Will End in Attempted Assassination of President Trump

The deep state is at war with America.

The CIA is running an attempted coup, and all the CIA’s puppet “journalists” (actually nothing more than CIA-run media hacks) are all-in. The Democrats are betting everything that they can remove Trump from office and somehow avoid a popular uprising that would likely see millions of armed citizens taking action to defend this republic against the lawless deep state and its authoritarian rule.

You are witnessing the final chapter. The Democrats, CIA and media hacks are throwing everything at Trump in a last-ditch effort to remove him from office before the 2020 election, which the Dems know they cannot win (because Democrat ideas suck, and they have no ideas other than communism and handing out free stuff to everyone). Just today, lunatic Democrat congresswoman Maxine Waters called for President Trump to be “imprisoned and placed in solitary confinement,” probably so the deep state can pull a Jeffrey Epstein on him, where magically all the security cameras simultaneously malfunction while the prisoner is executed.

The fake news corporate media has abandoned any last shred of credibility and is now literally faking every “bombshell” about Trump, Ukraine, Russia and the so-called “whistleblower” (who is really nothing more than a CIA spy). In reality, all media hacks have become crisis actors who have been handed scripts by the CIA, and they are role-playing those scripts to pretend like Trump has been caught carrying out heinous crimes… the very same crimes that Joe Biden actually committed.

Level 1: “Soft coup” attempt

At this level, which you are witnessing right now, deep state spies and operatives inside the bureaucracy fabricate fake accusations against Trump while media crisis actors pretend they’ve found a smoking gun that doesn’t actually exist. By whipping up mass hysteria via the CIA-run media, Democrats hope they can trick America into going along with the impeachment of Trump by accusing him of carrying out the corruption crimes that Joe Biden actually executed.

Level 2: Criminal framing attempt using crisis actors

If the soft coup fails, the same deep state operatives and crisis actors (Brennan, Comey, McCabe, Obama, Clinton, etc.) will fabricate fake financial documents and pretend that Trump committed a vast array of financial crimes. The documents will be as fake as Barack Hussein Obama’s birth certificate which, of course, was Photoshopped into a 17-layer digital file with bits and pieces switched together from various scans of old documents.

The Obama deep state has extensive experience fabricating fake documents, and they will put those skills to use in trying to frame Trump for criminal behavior that he didn’t commit. Remember, trust nothing reported by the media. They lie about everything. They are just “following orders,” after all, handed to them by the CIA.

Level 3: Area effect “terrorism” that attempts to injure or murder Trump

When the criminal framing attempts fall flat, the deep state Democrats will ratchet up their plans to a “hot” phase of the civil war. In this phase, operatives run by the FBI — all of whom have extensive experience planning and carrying out acts of terrorism across the United States — will go live with “area effect” attacks that attempt to kill President Trump with nuclear, biological or chemical attacks.

Level 4: Direct assassination attempt to murder Trump

When all the other attempts fail, a direct assassination attempt will be leveled against Trump, but it will of course be made to look like a death by natural causes in order to suppress a patriot uprising. If Trump is killed via a shooting or some similarly violent attack, that will be the tipping point for American patriots to self-activate and rise up against the corrupt, criminal deep state and the Democrat traitors across the country. So the deep state will attempt to make the assassination look like an accident or a natural death, and of course the autopsy will be covered up, the body will be cremated and all evidence will be swept under the rug as quickly as possible.

Level 5: Unleashing planned invasion of America with Chinese and UN troops

Finally, if the direct assassination attempt fails, the deep state will unleash an international war that will invite Communist Chinese and U.N. troops to invade and occupy the United States through California and the Southern border, respectively.

Calif. Governor Newsom has already sold out to the Chinese and will no doubt welcome a communist Chinese invasion of California, granting millions of Chinese troops a beachhead on California soil. The lunatic left-wing Democrats in California will cheer at first, at least until the Chinese troops begin raping, pillaging and mass murdering the residents of Los Angeles as they sweep eastward. (Note to California libtards: Communism sounds awesome until it arrives at your door. Then it’s murderous.)

Should this scenario happen, patriots in rural California, Oregon, Nevada and Arizona will not only engage and disrupt Chinese military operations; they will also seek out and remove all the collaborators (i.e. Democrats who went along with the invasion). Dave Hodges at TheCommonsenseShow.com covers this scenario in great detail in his excellent reporting which is based on sources in the intelligence community. Read The Russian Scissors Strategy Part 1 and Part 2 for an overview of the multinational invasion of the USA that’s being planned with the help of Obama and other traitors.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on October 03, 2019, 02:29:27 AM
Dear Mikey,

Mis'info'wars does love it's conspiracy wackos..

It the meantime,

U.S. widens trade war with tariffs on European planes, cheese,...

http://flip.it/z.W_wM (http://flip.it/z.W_wM)

Protectionism does not work.. 'Trampu' is clearly not a fan of history.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on October 03, 2019, 02:31:20 PM
Dear Mikey,

Mis'info'wars does love it's conspiracy wackos..

It the meantime,

U.S. widens trade war with tariffs on European planes, cheese,...

http://flip.it/z.W_wM (http://flip.it/z.W_wM)

Protectionism does not work.. 'Trampu' is clearly not a fan of history.

LOLOLOL... The WTO HATES the USA with a Vengeance because we can not pay them the bribes that China et.al. pays their new Silk Belt and Road treaty countries Pols and Gov officials who are routinely paid massive bribes as S.O.P.  The USA laws that prevent this are called the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.

Yet said same WTO decided that Airbus industries are unfairly subsidized by the EU Industrial Giants; UK, France, Germany and Spain et.al. - hmmmm yet the trite Mobster party line is that it is the USA that does not understand protectionism.

It will be interesting if Junkers and his EU 4th Reich decide to ally with the USA and expand a US/UK and EU Free Trade Agreement or choose to become debt slaves to the Chinese Belt and Road Debt Diplomacy.

Fortunately, you as a Mobsterized Citizen of the World with no real allegiances can arbitrage between UK/EU tech and EE emerging markets until they all capitulate to the Chinese Belt and Road Borg machine at which time you will be absorbed as resistance is futile for you at least.

Of course, like all human cockroaches, you will then thrive by arbitraging between the Communist Freaking Red Chinese and the EE countries you prey upon.






Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on October 04, 2019, 02:43:55 AM
[Personal and off topic comments removed]

I deal with Chinese and Chinese companies on a daily basis employing a Mandarin and Cantonese translator who is married to a Brit and the will get biz because of speed of design, supply and efficiently that a UK firm, minutes away cannot match.

Those products are designed by Russians to EU / US requirements and are sold worldwide.

Protectionism ends up in wars...it's a historical fact.

I'm for fair trade.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on October 04, 2019, 01:46:06 PM
Why the Chinese and Russian military are kicking our UK/EU/USA arses:

To the extent the US budget military even gets spent on the US military, the financial amounts actually reaching the forces probably already favors China.

From Vox Day.

Quote:
A shadow over Minneapolis

The latest conspiracy news out of /pol/ points at the military-industrial complex in... Minnesota, of all places:

Quote:
Last week at work I traced a massive subcontractors mysterious source to someone who is currently running for President.

The company produces nothing, I found it because we gained access to an area of this company that no one has been given access to before by a new employee not fully in the know. What we found were 165 items each individually valued at over $1,000,000 missing, all ordered in quarter 1 of 2019.

Our audit further lead us to investigate quietly and trace back over $10 Billion of undelivered, but paid for, Navy equipment and materials, and it all goes through the same subcontractor.

The subcontractor is fully owned by a shell company which shares a physical location with it but with two different street address, which are actually on two different street because it is a corner facility, very smart. During this process of tracking the missing items we went to the subcontractors facility to find it........completely empty. The two companies have a single office with some desks in it and over 400,000 square feet of empty warehouse in the middle of nowhere West Georgia.

Further tracking the shell company we found that it is owned by another shell company, which in turn is owned by a company which owns 5 luxury car dealerships, a big four professional American Sports Franchise, a VERY liberal movie studio, all of which have been noted as being unprofitable, and this single Navy Contractor.

The family that owns this company has a current Senator and a Current Presidential Candidate in it.

Translation: Amy Klobuchar, the Pohlad family, the Minnesota Twins, and River Road Entertainment, which produced 12 Years a Slave and Brokeback Mountain, among others.

But it certainly stinks of Deep State satanry. Do what they tell you to do, say what they want you to say, and even if all the world will not be yours, you'll be very well compensated for your obedience. And it also explains why, despite spending more money on the military than most of the countries in the world combined, the US military keeps falling further behind the Chinese Red Communist and Russian military in terms of deployable technologies.

Note I included the EU since the USA still funds over 70% of NATO despite the NATO leeches supposedly increasing their individual contributions at Trump's insistence.

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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on October 04, 2019, 01:59:50 PM
Just a small, point, while I agree with most of what Cufflinks has pasted in his post above, there's a misunderstanding of why the U.S pays the largest part of NATO's costs.

The U.S pays the largest share of NATO costs because the purpose of NATO, from the U.S perspective, was originally to ensure that any future war between Russia and the U.S is fought in Europe. Of course, these days, even if Russia were to initiate war - most unlikely, the U.S would be unable to be at all sure that the homeland would not be attacked, that Europe would be the venue for any future war. From this perspective, NATO is now largely obsolete. The continental U.S is no longer immune to effective Russian attacks. That's down, in part, to the valid points made by the author of the piece.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on October 04, 2019, 04:02:22 PM
Just a small, point, while I agree with most of what Cufflinks has pasted in his post above, there's a misunderstanding of why the U.S pays the largest part of NATO's costs.

The U.S pays the largest share of NATO costs because the purpose of NATO, from the U.S perspective, was originally to ensure that any future war between Russia and the U.S is fought in Europe. Of course, these days, even if Russia were to initiate war - most unlikely, the U.S would be unable to be at all sure that the homeland would not be attacked, that Europe would be the venue for any future war. From this perspective, NATO is now largely obsolete. The continental U.S is no longer immune to effective Russian attacks. That's down, in part, to the valid points made by the author of the piece.

Agree with Afi except that Communist Red China is our largest threat.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on October 04, 2019, 07:16:25 PM

The U.S pays the largest share of NATO costs because the purpose of NATO, from the U.S perspective, was originally to ensure that any future war between Russia and the U.S is fought in Europe.


Yeah, when America sends it's nukes to Moscow and St. Petersburg, Russia will send it's nukes to Paris and London in retaliation. Russia will abide by NATO rules and Europe will happily accept all war damages because America paid more at NATO.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on October 05, 2019, 05:28:21 AM
When NATO was set up China was a threat to nobody. At the time both Britain and USA were planning war on Russia.

Times have changed, NATO is obsolete because a future war on Russia will have direct costs for the United States on their own territory.

Militarily, neither Russia or China are a threat to the United States, except in so far as they choose to resist USAian influence in their respective near abroad regions.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on October 05, 2019, 10:38:18 AM
We just had a war with Russia that Nato was a very large part of. It is called Ukraine. Before that I believed that Nato have no value. Russia proved me and a lot of other people like me that we were wrong. Before the invasion of Crimea, Natio was almost dead. Russia proved to European leaders that it was needed and revived it. The Ukraine was the third war Russia started with it's neighbors. Hard to look the other way after three times.   
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on October 05, 2019, 10:51:02 AM
We just had a war with Russia that Nato was a very large part of. It is called Ukraine. Before that I believed that Nato have no value. Russia proved me and a lot of other people like me that we were wrong. Before the invasion of Crimea, Natio was almost dead. Russia proved to European leaders that it was needed and revived it. The Ukraine was the third war Russia started with it's neighbors. Hard to look the other way after three times.

It is a worthwhile viewpoint.

In the same time frame I sort of doubt that NATO or the US has this track record. One could say that the US and NATO were active in former Yugoslavia, but I would consider that a successful ending where as the Krim & Eastern Ukraine is a 360 degree cluster fcuk.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on October 05, 2019, 10:53:15 AM
Considering that Macron, Junkers and Mengele er ah um Merkele were making very threatening comments that they should create an "EU Army" to teach the UK a lesson for wanting to Brexit and the USA a bigger "lesson" for encouraging the UK... 

It appears that the real modern reason for NATO is to have a controlled NATO real EU Military (Army, Air Force, and Naval forces) to keep the Empire building impulses of the Holy Roman Empire from going megalomaniac again resulting in a WWIII on European lands that would with Nukes spill over into a global conflict.

Appears that NATO then is the USA's cross to bear for peace in in greater Europa.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on October 05, 2019, 11:54:26 AM
For those who fantasize about NATO fighting in Ukraine - I think that perhaps you need to check your medications.

The EU army thing predates, by years, the UK's referendum to leave the EU.

Where do you people get this stuff? News for remedials by remedials?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on October 06, 2019, 01:11:19 AM
For those who fantasize about NATO fighting in Ukraine - I think that perhaps you need to check your medications.

The EU army thing predates, by years, the UK's referendum to leave the EU.

Where do you people get this stuff? News for remedials by remedials?

As a British Isles born person and writer of English,  I' d 'fantasiSe'

IF Ukraine gets in NATO .. which is what VVP doesn't want but has managed to get UA folk to change  from anti to pro - then I'd simply say Article 5 ..
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on October 06, 2019, 04:18:55 PM
Before the invasion of Crimea, Natio was almost dead.


Ghaddafi in 2011 Libya would disagree with you.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on October 07, 2019, 12:52:40 AM
BillyB,

Right now your 'Trampu' is watching while Turkey, a fellow NATO nation, moves on the Kurds of the YDF..

BBC News - Trump makes way for Turkish operation in Syria
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49956698 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-49956698)

In January, President Trump threatened to "devastate Turkey economically" if it attacked Kurdish forces following a planned US pullout from Syria.


Hmmm.. 'fine words'





Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on October 07, 2019, 10:00:37 AM
they should create an "EU Army" to teach the UK a lesson for wanting
to Brexit and the USA a bigger "lesson" for encouraging the UK... 

The EU Army ................................hahahahaha. I usually reserve laughs
like that when I watch European space exploration movies. 

How many people would be in it? Each country would have to send at least
10 people who weren't generals.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on October 07, 2019, 10:24:38 AM
Before the invasion of Crimea, Natio was almost dead.


Ghaddafi in 2011 Libya would disagree with you.

Libya was an example of NATO attempting to carve out a new role for itself. Much of what we have seen since vis a vis Russia is a part of that ongoing 'work'.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on October 07, 2019, 11:05:40 AM
Before the invasion of Crimea, Natio was almost dead.


Ghaddafi in 2011 Libya would disagree with you.

In 2014 Nato was not able to respond to anything Russia wanted to do. Today not much better, but we might see an improvement in ten years or so. Yea, it took all of Nato a year to subdue Libya. WOW!!! I could tell Putin was impressed. Ukraine gave Nato a reason to exist before that there was not one. Russia was not considered a threat any more. Now leader of Europe see it differently. For an example, Poland is now requesting more US troops and had made new weapon purchases to better support Nato. It is not me you need to convince. I'm a powerless old man in the USA, maybe you should try to talk to the elected leaders of European nations. If our troops came home it would be a big boost to the US economy.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on October 07, 2019, 11:19:56 AM
What do you think Russia 'wanted' to do? Invade a NATO member state and incur the collective defence treaty? Nope, didn't happen. No NATO role then, no NATO role now. But NATO has been working very hard to expand its role outside of its treaty remit.

Facts mate, hard to argue with 'em once you know 'em. :)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on October 08, 2019, 11:07:58 AM
Russia was not considered a threat any more. Now leader of Europe see it differently.

Much of Russia is in Europe, and the continent does not have a leader.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on October 16, 2019, 02:58:48 PM
Moody’s Election Models Predict Trump Will Crush Democrat in 2020
Note: Moody's has a rep of being the MOST ACCURATE POTUS Election models - full pdf with details in link below...

Donald Trump may be on the path to a landslide re-election win in 2020.

Each of the three election models used by Moody’s Analytics to forecast the 2020 election indicates that Donald Trump will likely win the presidential contest. Under two of the models, Trump is forecast to win with more than the 304 electoral college votes he garnered in 2016. “Under the average of the three models, Trump would hold on to key industrial Midwest states and pick up New Hampshire, Virginia and Minnesota,” Moody’s said in a report detailing the results of its models.

https://www.moodysanalytics.com/-/media/article/2019/president-election-model.pdf

Done and Dusted - time to complete a Post Brexit Tump & Nigel USA/UK Free Trade Agreement win win for both and CRAM it down the EU 4th Reich's Throats.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on October 16, 2019, 06:00:21 PM
Russia was not considered a threat any more. Now leader of Europe see it differently.

Much of Russia is in Europe, and the continent does not have a leader.

The vision that was sold to the public of Europa is on life support. From a variety of nations there is open hostility to general disinterest in the EU. It is perhaps the most amazing evaporation of a  dream. Only a few out of touch politicians cling to a naive belief in the future of the EU.

What is amazing to me is that those in Brussels fail to see the hand writing on the wall. It will take a Revolution like that in France and it will be over. The only difference this time the guillotine will be (hopefully) metaphoric.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on October 18, 2019, 10:44:14 PM
The reason Russia did not take all the Ukraine? It just plan cost less to destroy it than to occupy it. The reason Russia does not take NATO countries? it is cheaper to watch them self destruct. Beside that they still might get some more technology from Germany and/or France. Russia plan to take Europe if they ever want to is very simple. Destroy the UK and separate Europe from the USA with their submarines and everyone else in the EU would just give up in a few days. No one would be stupid enough to fire any nuclear missiles. The taking it not hard but the real problem with it would be the economic aftermath.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on October 19, 2019, 07:10:45 AM
Exchange the inaccurate destroy for trade and you'll not be far off.

Ukraine is clearly self-destructing, but that's not down to Russia. The two states had, and still have, mutually dependent economies. The EU agreement was supposed to destroy that relationship with the costs falling to Russia. Sadly, the EU offered no replacement for that mutual trade relationship which has led to the destruction of previous Ukrainian high value-added industries and only a partial replacement of lost revenues as a supplier of commodities and low value-added goods.

Russia does not have the capability to invade Europe and, no matter what some flag wavers might say, invading Ukraine. Many people simply do not understand that 'invasion' is the easy bit but that's a pointless exercise unless the invader can then hold the newly acquired territory.

Russian military capability and resources are almost totally defensive in character with almost no force projection. Additionally, the manpower required to hold any territory successfully invaded simply does not exist.

It is far, far, cheaper to engage in mutually beneficial trade arrangements and that is what Russia has been focused upon.

But, yes, facts are hard. They tend to destroy uninformed fantasies.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on October 19, 2019, 12:41:42 PM
No one would be stupid enough to fire any nuclear missiles.

Judging by the current crop of politicians and there commonsense I am not so certain of the above.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on November 04, 2019, 02:53:36 PM
Moody’s Election Models Predict Trump Will Crush Democrat in 2020

Note Moody's has a rep of being the MOST ACCURATE POTUS Election models - full pdf with details in link below...

Donald Trump may be on the path to a landslide re-election win in 2020.

Each of the three election models used by Moody’s Analytics to forecast the 2020 election indicates that Donald Trump will likely win the presidential contest. Under two of the models, Trump is forecast to win with more than the 304 electoral college votes he garnered in 2016. “Under the average of the three models, Trump would hold on to key industrial Midwest states and pick up New Hampshire, Virginia and Minnesota,” Moody’s said in a report detailing the results of its models.

https://www.moodysanalytics.com/-/media/article/2019/president-election-model.pdf


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Updated info that augments and positively supports the Moody's Analytics PDF i.e. Trump Wins 2020 in a landslide:

Blowout Jobs Report Sends Stocks Soaring To New All-Time Highs

Stocks soared on Friday, and for the week. This was the fourth weekly gain in a row for the S&P, and the fifth weekly gain in a row for the Nasdaq. And they both hit new all-time highs on Friday in the process.

For the record, the Dow is close to breaking out as well. They too were up for the week, but just missed out on a new all-time high by less than two-tenths of a percent. But I'm expecting that milestone to easily be reached this week.

After weeks of strong earnings, a better than expected GDP report, another interest rate cut by the Fed, and expectations for phase one of the U.S.-China trade agreement to be signed later this month, stocks have been on a tear.

And then came Friday's blowout jobs numbers. The Employment Situation report was expected to show 90,000 new jobs being created in October, but instead showed 128,000! Additionally, we saw huge upward revisions to August and September with 51,000 more jobs added, and 44,000 more jobs added respectively. The unemployment rate ticked up a bit from 3.5% to 3.6%, but the participation rate gained as well going from 63.2% to 63.3%. And average hourly earnings are still showing a robust 3.0% y/y growth rate.

These truly are historic times for the economy, and historic times for the market.

And that means a historic opportunity for record profits because it looks like there's a lot more upside to go.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: shakespear on November 17, 2019, 09:58:58 AM
One cannot ignore the recent gubernatorial election results in Kentucky and Louisiana.  In both cases a "moderate" Democrat narrowly beat a Trump endorsed Republican is states the Trump overwhelmingly won in 2016. 

It is pretty clear that the "suburban vote" which Trump rode to victory on in 2016 is abandoning him in 2020.  You can only publicly behave like a jackass for so long and polite educated people will tire of it.  I'm beginning to believe that the fantastic economy will not outweigh the negative public perception of Trump's abrasive personality at the ballot box in 2020. 

Unless the Democrats follow through and nominate a overly liberal candidate to run against Trump, we have no real reason to be optimistic in the outcome of the 2020 election; especially if the Democrats wise up and nominate a moderate Democrat.           
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on November 17, 2019, 01:23:46 PM
One cannot ignore the recent gubernatorial election results in Kentucky and Louisiana.  In both cases a "moderate" Democrat narrowly beat a Trump endorsed Republican is states the Trump overwhelmingly won in 2016. 

The incumbent Dem governor eked out a narrow victory over a political novice in Louisiana, and Bevin was unpopular in KY and actually closed the gap to barely lose; Daniel Cameron *clobbered* his opponent by >15% to become KY's first black AG, and the first GOP AG since 1944.  If as many people voted for Bevin as Cameron, he'd have won going away.  Instead he was unpopular on local issues (proposed new tolls on bridges leading to Cincy where a lot of folks work, as well as on pension issues.)

Don't be surprised if Cameron becomes Kentucky's first black governor in 2023.

The GOP has veto-proof majorities in both the house and senate.

It is pretty clear that the "suburban vote" which Trump rode to victory on in 2016 is abandoning him in 2020.

Suburban voters in who vote red in blue states are also smarting from the nut-shot that Paul "I Might As Well Be A Democrat" Ryan gave them on taxes as a going away present. 

You can only publicly behave like a jackass for so long and polite educated people will tire of it.  I'm beginning to believe that the fantastic economy will not outweigh the negative public perception of Trump's abrasive personality at the ballot box in 2020. 

We'll see.

Unless the Democrats follow through and nominate a overly liberal candidate to run against Trump, we have no real reason to be optimistic in the outcome of the 2020 election; especially if the Democrats wise up and nominate a moderate Democrat.           

They don't seem to be in a particularly rational mood.  There's a reason that Bloomberg (who presents as a moderate but is really a liberal) and Deval Patrick are jumping into the Dem race now: they are afraid that Polygrip Joe doesn't have the gas to win, and either Faux-cohontas or Crazy Uncle Bernie might win the nomination at which point enough of the electorate might think "Um, why would we elect a commie when the economy is so good?" leading to 4 more years of Trump.

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on November 18, 2019, 12:08:45 PM
B.B you may need to be ready for more 'excuses' as to GOP losses
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on November 18, 2019, 04:10:58 PM
One cannot ignore the recent gubernatorial election results in Kentucky and Louisiana.  In both cases a "moderate" Democrat narrowly beat a Trump endorsed Republican is states the Trump overwhelmingly won in 2016. 

Shakey,

It's pretty clear that you believe every Democrat narrative/
explanation of events and you are a total alarmist. Did you
believe the Alabama senate race went to the Dem's because
of the blue wave? How about Richard Mourdock in Indiana
did you think he lost because Obama's policies were popular?

You have a brain, I've seen you use it.

First the GOP put up bad candidates
Second the Democrats were conservative not moderate.
Third the Democrats would have won in landslides had
Trump not stepped in.
Fourth the Dem's are determined to nominate a total
left wing cuckoo-bird to run against Trump.

Do you really think that that Ohio, the State of Illinois
outside of Chicago, Wisconsin or even Minnersoda is
going to vote for Lizzy Warren who promises to eliminate
private health insurance?

The Unions have left wing leaders but their membership
will totally switch teams is ANY Dem wants to screw with
their solid gold and platinum health insurance.

Without the Unions the Dems lose and lose big. Trump
can paint all sorts of Democrats with the same brush and
the GOP wins from top of ticket to the bottom. 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on November 18, 2019, 05:07:24 PM
He's starting the same pattern as last time.

After the next election, when he will admit being surprised that Trump won, he'll go on about how 'unpresidential' Trump is and then start to admit grudging admiration for him.

ANDREWFI - TEALEAF DIVINER TO CROWNED HEADS AND STARS OF STAGE AND SCREEN.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: dcguyusa on November 18, 2019, 06:37:05 PM
Quote
Flatulence, also known as farting, breaking wind, parping, trumping and tooting,

Quote
If all else fails, try Shreddies flatulence filtering underwear!

https://www.netdoctor.co.uk/conditions/digestive-health/a28405835/flatulence/



You all need to stop trumping.    :ROFL:      :-[   :pointlaugh:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on November 20, 2019, 03:37:36 PM
Hmmm this was interesting...

Head of Burisma was just indicted and Hunter Biden was named as receiving millions from a slush fund. Breaking N Live, the Twitter account reporting it, immediately had their story removed.

That shows that the new Ukraine President is in fact on the Trump Train.

What I like about this Dumbocrat's clown circus "inquiry" is that it is flushing out all of the Deep State Obamunist hold over traitors still in Trump's midst and who he needs to flush down the toilet next year before the elections. Trump quoted Sondland today that Sondland Asked what POTUS wanted from Ukraine and Trump said: "Nothing - No Quid Pro Quo - just tell Zelinsky (New UA President) to do the right thing". Trump did business in the NYC real estate market for decades before turning to his Global Trump Licensing and Golf Courses empire that is currently doing well and avoided the many (((sharks))) that tried to get him to take or give bribes in NYC - Trump did this buy hiring tougher smarter (((sharks))) to protect his organization.

I am no fan of Communist Freaking Red China and that said a phase one agreement that floods the fly over agro base with money for soybeans, corn, wheat, and pork will help reinforce them as part of the Trump Core base - if not putting 25% tariffs on all of the Chinese $500B exports will put a nail in the coffin of their $40 Trillion USD Debt supported so-called economic miracle and would be a solid way to declaw the Red Dragon (reference to Steve Bannon's new movie Claws of the Red Dragon).

I also defer to the Moody Analytics report I posted Up Thread that is extremely accurate measuring economic activity in all Congressional Districts and reports that not only will Trump hold all of his prior Electoral College votes he picks up Minnesota, New Hampshire, and Virginia for an electoral college landslide of over 330 votes. Jim Rickards Strategic Intelligence report indicates that Trump's probability of reelection is inversely proportional to the potential for a full-blown recession which is unlikely due to the effects of Reduced Obamunistic Regulations and lower Corporate Taxes making the USA a very competitive place for Asian and European manufacturers to open new plants here. No black swan type 08/09 collapse before the Nov 2020 elections and Trump's chances of reelection then exceed 90%.

The Democrat hard-left socialist party has literally pulled their ultra partisan trigger far too early and the Pelosi-Shifty-Nadler Mob prodded by Bernie, Aoc, Warren and the Squad will be old news when the Dems have selected a candidate that Trump will create a solid linguistic kill shot moniker and memes for that sticks in all the base and independents as well as moderate Dems minds.

References:

Moody's Analytics:
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/15/moodys-trump-on-his-way-to-an-easy-2020-win-if-economy-holds-up.html
Trump is on his way to an easy win in 2020, according to Moody’s accurate election model
UPDATED TUE, OCT 15 2019 5:55 PM EDT - Key Points:
President Donald Trump will win reelection easily in 2020 if the economy holds up, modeling by Moody’s Analytics shows.

“If voters were to vote primarily on the basis of their pocketbooks, the president would steamroll the competition,” the report states.

Three models show Trump getting at least 289 electoral votes and as many as 351, assuming average turnout.


The Moody’s models have been backtested to 1980 and were correct each time — except in 2016, when it indicated Clinton would get a narrow victory.

This Often-Accurate Election Model Predicts Trump Will Win Re-election in a Landslide By Chris Morris
October 16, 2019
https://fortune.com/2019/10/16/will-trump-win-2020-predictions-election-model/

Full PDF:
https://www.moodysanalytics.com/-/media/article/2019/president-election-model.pdf

So best for us all to ignore the Democommies and focus and make hay while the Trumpian Sun shines for the next 5 years - until Pence and Don Jr. or Eric team up to continue the legacy of Trump Patriots for America.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on November 20, 2019, 04:23:11 PM
 Think this has anything to do with the push for impeachment? Nahhh!



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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on November 21, 2019, 02:33:19 PM
Way ah, Dr Hill!

There's a lass that knows about the FSU.. A Brit from the N.East and I she's dynamite..




Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 21, 2019, 04:03:39 PM

Democrats are so focused on impeachment, they're not going to pass the improved trade deal Trump made with Canada and Mexico because they don't want Trump to look good. So they're going to wait another year. Unemployment is incredibly low and wages for the average America gone up approximately $5000 a year. The military and economy continues to get stronger. The stock market is breaking records. I say Trump is going to get re-elected easily. Voters are going to make Democrats pay for 4 years of investigations that have hampered the progress Trump has made.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on November 22, 2019, 03:29:34 AM
Poor BillyB still thinks the US economy is down to 'Trampu'..

Loved Dr Hill,

She is from the N.East of England and REALLY knew how to handle herself from those hoping to mitigate the damage 'Trampu' has further managed to bring about to the Presidency and reputation of the US in the eyes of non citizens.

She's quite a patriot and doesn't take prisoners.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: shakespear on November 22, 2019, 10:31:29 AM

Democrats are so focused on impeachment, they're not going to pass the improved trade deal Trump made with Canada and Mexico because they don't want Trump to look good. So they're going to wait another year. Unemployment is incredibly low and wages for the average America gone up approximately $5000 a year. The military and economy continues to get stronger. The stock market is breaking records. I say Trump is going to get re-elected easily. Voters are going to make Democrats pay for 4 years of investigations that have hampered the progress Trump has made.

If he didn't behave like such a jackass in his tweets and such a narcissist when he speaks I'd agree. 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Guile on November 22, 2019, 10:59:01 AM
who's "Trampu"...sounds like some skank takin for a few rides too many.
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on November 22, 2019, 12:48:08 PM
The Dem's are in a difficult spot, they failed to find
ANYTHING even slightly illegal to impeach Trump on
yet, they have to do it to appease their radical base.
The Dem's won the house by running moderates against
Republican, all those seats will be lost if they keep up
these efforts. 

The Dem's have spent 3 years in a coup attempt
They've been the resistance 100% anti Trump all
the time. They've called Republicans every name,
they've refused to compromise on a single item in
three years.

They took this girl to the prom and it's too late
to start wishing for a better date. That she is fat,
has bad breath, cross-eyed, doesn't put out, and
was born a boy, is their problem.

They knew all these things when they asked her
out AND I doubt that they will learn a single thing
from this. They will blame the American people for
their downfall and everything else with the except
for their own actions.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on November 22, 2019, 08:27:49 PM
B.B you may need to be ready for more 'excuses' as to GOP losses

So, first, nobody gives a shit about your opinion on European politics - what would make you think you are more of an authority on US politics?

Second, I realize that "thoughtful analysis" is really your thing, but you should have a think about how it was that GOP candidates won up and down the Kentucky ballot but an unpopular governor who made unpopular proposals concerning taxes - something near and dear to GOP hearts - lost?  I realize it's easier to simply say, "HAHA!  See!  Republicans are rejecting Trump!" because that's what poncey libs so desperately WANT to be true, but one cannot simply take things on face value.

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on November 22, 2019, 08:53:30 PM
If he didn't behave like such a jackass in his tweets and such a narcissist when he speaks I'd agree.

Oh, totally.  But because of Trump, you and I have had 4 more years (hopefully 8 more) of prosperity and an America that still resembles the one we grew up in - Putin should be helping the Dems every time, because they are going to ruin America faster than he possibly could.

Trump is a deeply flawed human being, but at least he wants to be president of the USA and not MEXICO which is what the Dem Candidates all sound like they are running for.  They only understand "feelings" and thus they are fine with letting gangsters from Oaxaca come across the border because hey, they are Mexicans too, and Mexicans are Hispanics an thus in the 7 "sacred" groups for libs.  They think about things at the grade school level.

The Dem's are in a difficult spot, they failed to find
ANYTHING even slightly illegal to impeach Trump on
yet, they have to do it to appease their radical base.
The Dem's won the house by running moderates against
Republican, all those seats will be lost if they keep up
these efforts. 

The Dem's have spent 3 years in a coup attempt
They've been the resistance 100% anti Trump all
the time. They've called Republicans every name,
they've refused to compromise on a single item in
three years.

^ All true.  And whoever wins the Dem nomination, whether it's Polygrip Joe, Faux-cohontas, Crazy Uncle Bernie or the Queer from South Bendover, the GOP needs to make those four crazies in the Squad the faces of the Democratic Party.

The Dems used to be the party of FDR and JFK; now they are the party of Mexican gangs and they want to force us "normals" to participate in shit like this transgender mental illness.

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Wiz on November 29, 2019, 12:34:14 AM
YouTube Bans Top Christian Channel
for Anti-Semitic Rant (TruNews - Rick Wiles)


(https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1198015767511519234/vI6Htbrt?format=jpg&name=600x314)

JEW COUP: SEDITIOUS JEWS ORCHESTRATING
TRUMP IMPEACHMENT LYNCHING

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You can still watch the broadcast on their website. (https://www.trunews.com/stream/jew-coup-seditious-jews-orchestrating-trump-impeachment-lynching)

 tiphat
Title: President Trump Impeached
Post by: rosco on December 19, 2019, 04:38:38 AM
So the big mans been impeached after a 'historic vote'.

From the US POV, what does this actually mean?
Title: Re: President Trump Impeached
Post by: Markje on December 19, 2019, 06:55:01 AM
So the big mans been impeached after a 'historic vote'.

From the US POV, what does this actually mean?

He has not been impeached, and it won't happen either, unless the senate votes FOR impeachment with at least 66% of the votes.

(at least as I understood it).

The lefty meltdown in the media is suggesting otherwise , but impeachment is not (yet) on the table.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on December 19, 2019, 07:18:28 AM
I'd suggest >>this article<< (https://www.rt.com/op-ed/476236-democrats-impeachment-empowered-trump/) on RT way more accurate on the subject than the western media is spewing.

Would the folks over the pond agree?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on December 19, 2019, 08:12:33 AM
For me, its seems like yet again, the tolerant left, just don't really understand what's happening out there. Call it Brexit, Trump or any other recent political battle front, the left continue to ignore reality and push ahead with their victimhood agenda.

The focus should be on selling a concept whereby their ideology is better than the one we have all just voted for. Focus on benefits and highlight all the positives....instead of crying and claiming its not fair.

I have a feeling that in the US, the lefty's are so rabid with their hatred of Trump, they'll yet again be so distracted, the Republicans will walk back into office. Clinton's only argument was pretty much don't vote for Trump, he's bad. The Remain campaign for Brexit just threatened us all with doom and gloom. It's totally back to front and they never learn.

I've read the RT article and others now and it seems like this is all just a waste of time and gives the lefty's a ray of hope, before reality kicks in again. I would love to hear what the US boys have to say though?

Title: Re: President Trump Impeached
Post by: shakespear on December 19, 2019, 08:25:59 AM
He has not been impeached, and it won't happen either, unless the senate votes FOR impeachment with at least 66% of the votes.

(at least as I understood it).

The lefty meltdown in the media is suggesting otherwise , but impeachment is not (yet) on the table.

Actually he HAS been impeached.  Impeachment is done in the House of Representatives and involves a listing of charges or offenses the President has committed.

The Senate then goes about having a trial on this charges.  If he is convicted at that trial in the Senate, he is then removed from office. 
Title: Re: President Trump Impeached
Post by: Markje on December 19, 2019, 12:58:14 PM
He has not been impeached, and it won't happen either, unless the senate votes FOR impeachment with at least 66% of the votes.

(at least as I understood it).

The lefty meltdown in the media is suggesting otherwise , but impeachment is not (yet) on the table.

Actually he HAS been impeached.  Impeachment is done in the House of Representatives and involves a listing of charges or offenses the President has committed.

The Senate then goes about having a trial on this charges.  If he is convicted at that trial in the Senate, he is then removed from office.
Oh good, does that mean Trump will be the first president to be impeached and NOT removed from office.
Title: Re: President Trump Impeached
Post by: shakespear on December 19, 2019, 01:57:35 PM
Oh good, does that mean Trump will be the first president to be impeached and NOT removed from office.

No.  He is the 3rd President to have been impeached. 

NONE have been removed from office.  Andrew Johnson, Bill Clinton and Donald Trump

Nixon resigned when it became obvious the House was going to impeach him in a bi-partisan manner.     
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on December 19, 2019, 02:04:49 PM
As ever, Rosco proves that he knows f'all about UK politics as 'brexit' is not a left / right 'thang'....

If John Major and Hesseltine are 'lefties' then your filters are WAY outta wack.


The impeachable offence seems clear...but political numbers in the senate will 'decide' guilt..

OF COURSE 'Trampu' tried to get Ukraine to investigate a political rival and made threats to withhold aid if no such investigation took place.

'Trampu' has been a mug, but the era of Politicions' resigning for exceeding the behavioural norns seems long gone.

Tricky Dicky, at least he fell on his sword

Title: Re: President Trump Impeached
Post by: Markje on December 19, 2019, 02:45:43 PM
Oh good, does that mean Trump will be the first president to be impeached and NOT removed from office.

No.  He is the 3rd President to have been impeached. 

NONE have been removed from office.  Andrew Johnson, Bill Clinton and Donald Trump

Nixon resigned when it became obvious the House was going to impeach him in a bi-partisan manner.   

Oh thats cool, I always assumed B. Clinton was shooting blanks , once he was impeached.

I also think that he should have never been impeached, he was a model-president to which others can be held as a standard.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on December 19, 2019, 04:42:01 PM
As ever, Rosco proves that he knows f'all about UK politics as 'brexit' is not a left / right 'thang'....

If John Major and Hesseltine are 'lefties' then your filters are WAY outta wack.


The impeachable offence seems clear...but political numbers in the senate will 'decide' guilt..

OF COURSE 'Trampu' tried to get Ukraine to investigate a political rival and made threats to withhold aid if no such investigation took place.

'Trampu' has been a mug, but the era of Politicions' resigning for exceeding the behavioural norns seems long gone.

Tricky Dicky, at least he fell on his sword

Says the bloke who gets literally everything wrong.

Life must be so difficult, operating at half speed Moby. Good luck, you’ll need it!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on December 19, 2019, 06:28:36 PM

The impeachable offence seems clear...

 Only for those who are desperately grasping at straws, but not for the average person. They have more common sense than people like you. Everything the Dem witnesses said was hearsay, not one of them directly heard or saw Trump do anything illegal, they even admit it. No matter how much you wish it were so, hearsay is not evidence.

 Meanwhile Trump's popularity has grown since the start of the impeachment investigation. Even the anti Trump media had to admit it. Trump has always had his base but now more and more Dem supporters are getting tired of their desperation and waste of time and taxpayer money on silliness. Think about it, would you trust your personal well being to politicians who try any shady, desperate way to eliminate an opponent rather than earning your vote by governing better than them? The way it's going Trump is going to win by a landslide next year.

 Then there's the stock market... Impeachment one day... the next day... another record high. Is that the reaction from an economy who's President is in trouble? Investors are not even fazed by this latest kangaroo court.

 You weren't even close on your prediction of the UK election, now you are showing us how clueless you are here. Do you ever get tired of being so wrong? And made to look like the fool? It seems not! You should seriously forget about political discussions and stick with subjects more in the areas of your expertise... something like which brand couch is the most comfortable to sleep on.  :laugh:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on December 19, 2019, 10:35:45 PM
Well, there's two responses that prove selective hearing and reading re the offences.

I called the UK election wrong..it does not mean leaving the EU is the correct path...just that Corbyn was a bigger electoral liability than even I thought.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on December 19, 2019, 10:54:51 PM
I'd suggest >>this article<< (https://www.rt.com/op-ed/476236-democrats-impeachment-empowered-trump/) on RT way more accurate on the subject than the western media is spewing.

Would the folks over the pond agree?

The headline is cribbed from Star Wars (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8RCQDDsMpU).

So there is, historically, only ONE issue in American elections: the Economy.  If the Economy is doing well, then Trump should be fine.  Trump's support on the right is solid; right now the GOP *IS* Trump.  He didn't lose a single GOP vote in House on impeachment.

That said, there is nothing usual about Trump. 

The Dems haven't done themselves any favors.  The Swamp Creatures have been very transparent about their desire to impeach Trump for something - ANYTHING - and have consistently failed to make anything stick.  Really, we've been watching a slow-motion coup.

Russia?   Nothingburger.

Emoluments?   Nothingburger.

Mueller Report?  Nothingburger.

Ukraine?  Nothingburger"But we have to impeach him for *something*!"

it's the Swamp fighting back. It's basically their last shot before the Durham report drops and the roaches have to run from the daylight. What everyone missed on Impeachment Day was the IG - an Obama appointee, btw - testifying before the Senate that he found evidence of political bias in the FBI's treatment of Trump. Even a judge from the FISA court - which shouldn't exist, IMO - slammed the FBI for its conduct in falsifying evidence.

Meanwhile, Trump is up 6% in the polls and is now leading all the Dem candidates in the "Brexit" states. He should ask them to impeach him a couple of more times before election day.  :ROFL:

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Omega1982 on December 20, 2019, 01:01:19 AM
Manny, how would you say the impeachment makes Americans look in other countries?  Specifically as a bride seeker. 

If I was in the woman's shoes, I would prefer the UK, EU or Australia.  Any thoughts? 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on December 20, 2019, 01:29:06 AM
When even Boris asks 'Trampu' to STFU during the election - you KNOW the answer, already


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/03/how-trump-has-weakened-the-worlds-view-of-the-us.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/03/how-trump-has-weakened-the-worlds-view-of-the-us.html)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on December 20, 2019, 01:58:47 AM
Manny, how would you say the impeachment makes Americans look in other countries?  Specifically as a bride seeker. 

If I was in the woman's shoes, I would prefer the UK, EU or Australia.  Any thoughts?

I'd suggest it makes not a scrap of difference.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Omega1982 on December 20, 2019, 03:33:06 AM
You don't think having a stable, well mannered and competent leader is important when choosing where to relocate to? 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on December 20, 2019, 06:14:07 AM
You don't think having a stable, well mannered and competent leader is important when choosing where to relocate to?
I'm agreeing with Manny. Many potential seekers do not associate the president with its people.

If anything, peopleofwalmart.com is way scarier than trump could ever be.

As to the impeachment: I heard a democrat switched to republican because he couldnt stomach the current dem-line anymore .

As to the indictments against trump: When are the democrats going to take the fall for exactly those offenses? It seems they are trying to kill democracy in a meaningful way.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on December 20, 2019, 09:41:35 AM
Well, there's two responses that prove selective hearing and reading re the offences.

I called the UK election wrong..it does not mean leaving the EU is the correct path...just that Corbyn was a bigger electoral liability than even I thought.

 Yes yes, you have shown us previously that you have no business sense as well. How is that Pound of yours doing these days? crashing like you predicted? Couches Moby.... stick with the couches.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on December 20, 2019, 10:12:40 AM
You don't think having a stable, well mannered and competent leader is important when choosing where to relocate to?

If she's choosing your country, not you, you're better off without her.

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on December 20, 2019, 10:21:30 AM
I'm agreeing with Manny. Many potential seekers do not associate the president with its people.

If anything, peopleofwalmart.com is way scarier than trump could ever be.

Every country has its own brand of fcktards.  It is how it is.

I've been in a Walmart something like *once* in the past 10 years; I needed a creosote log and they had them.  There weren't a lot of PofW there, but those folks don't "make the news" because they're Normals.

As to the impeachment: I heard a democrat switched to republican because he couldnt stomach the current dem-line anymore .

Jeff Van Drew (R-NJ-02).  For perspective, NJ-02 went for Trump by +4.6% in 2016, and the incumbent Republican probably would have won had he not retired (he had spent 12 terms (24 years) in Congress.)

As to the indictments against trump: When are the democrats going to take the fall for exactly those offenses? It seems they are trying to kill democracy in a meaningful way.

I expect the Durham Report to be damning, but we will see.  As for the Congress, there are really only 40 or so races that are competitive each election.  It really depends on who shows up that day.

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on December 20, 2019, 10:54:00 AM
When even Boris asks 'Trampu' to STFU during the election - you KNOW the answer, already


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/03/how-trump-has-weakened-the-worlds-view-of-the-us.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/03/how-trump-has-weakened-the-worlds-view-of-the-us.html)

 When has the US ever been popular in the eyes of the world? I remember way back in the 80's my uncle had a blue jean jacket with a Canadian flag sewn on the arm. He said he got that put on for when he went to Europe so people wouldn't mistake him for an American. As long as I can remember most of the world has been Anti American , even here in Canada. Trump has an "I don't give a crap what you think" attitude and how can you blame him? Why try to please people who are never happy and will complain about you no matter what you do?
 
 The American army is less active in the world today than it has been in decades, and that is all because of Trump. Remember Obama saying how it was going to take a generation to get Isis under control? And how he said they were gearing up to fight against Russia because they were a threat to western Europe the last year if his Presidency?

 The world is a safer, more peaceful place under Trump yet whiners like you are still finding things the bitch about. Their economy shot up since he got elected, I read the average American family pays about 5,000 per year less in taxes after his tax breaks he implemented and unemployment is at record lows. Here in Canada we have a guy in who is supposed to be doing it the "right" way. Yet our oil industry is in the toilet, he screwed up trade with our biggest partners putting us on the brink of a recession, unemployment rates are going up and his is literally a joke in the eyes of the world. I'll take an arrogant, protectionist leader who looks out for his people over a globalist who is taxing his middle class people down to poverty level any day.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on December 20, 2019, 11:33:42 AM
When has the US ever been popular in the eyes of the world?

When they are about to get invaded by someone bigger and stronger than they are and they realize that there's only one country that can/will do smth about it.

There's a reason that the UN's outgoing voicemail message is: "If this is a real emergency, hang up and dial America." 

:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

Trump has an "I don't give a crap what you think" attitude and how can you blame him? Why try to please people who are never happy and will complain about you no matter what you do?

When I am in foreign countries, I try to behave as a "proper guest", but if someone wants to shit on the US (as opposed to simply engaging in conversation within the bounds of civilized society) then they can shove it.
 
The American army is less active in the world today than it has been in decades, and that is all because of Trump. Remember Obama saying how it was going to take a generation to get Isis under control? And how he said they were gearing up to fight against Russia because they were a threat to western Europe the last year if his Presidency?

I hope this trend continues.  If one group of ragheads wants to murder another group of ragheads for whatever stupid reason, then let them.

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on December 20, 2019, 11:42:29 AM
 The Impeachment Circus explained...


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on December 20, 2019, 12:59:58 PM
You don't think having a stable, well mannered and competent leader is important when choosing where to relocate to?

Different people see different things. Trump is boorish and brash, but he is doing the job he was voted in to do to the best of his ability. He is getting much stuff right and his voters like him. He is a strong and purposeful leader and many people like that. Indeed, many Russians like that about Putin, many North Koreans about Kim Jong-un, many Brits about Boris (more so with Thatcher), as many Hungarians do about Viktor Orban. People like strong and decisive leaders.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Lord of the Dance on December 20, 2019, 01:20:45 PM
Different people see different things. Trump is boorish and brash, but he is doing the job he was voted in to do to the best of his ability. He is getting much stuff right and his voters like him. He is a strong and purposeful leader and many people like that. Indeed, many Russians like that about Putin, many North Koreans about Kim Jong-un, many Brits about Boris (more so with Thatcher), as many Hungarians do about Viktor Orban. People like strong and decisive leaders.

  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on December 20, 2019, 02:31:57 PM


 The world is a safer, more peaceful place under Trump

Yup, tell THAT to the parents, the kids who lost their parents in the Kurdish regions of Syria bordering Turkey .. ALL because 'Trampu' had a brain-fart moment ..

There's but one example - from the past few weeks of how 'safe' he makes folks feel ..

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on December 20, 2019, 04:40:06 PM
 Ohhh, so Turkey (a supposed UN ally) has no responsibility for those deaths? Even though they were the ones who pulled the triggers?  (:)

 Just goes to show how twisted your thinking is. Turkey gets the pass... but Trump doesn't. You complain when the US stick's their nose in other countries business, then you complain when they leave. Another no win situation, typical.
 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on December 20, 2019, 05:17:39 PM
The thing with Trump he seems to be the only politician we have that wants to import jobs and export products. Everyone else seems to want to do it the other way around. The Democrats seem to want to tax and regulate what few large businesses we have left out of the country. I do not think any body really like Trump but look at the choices. We had nearly 15 Democrats debating and not one of them would say anything about solving the trade problem with China and putting USA people back to work. They all wanted to give us free health care, free college, free students loans pay off, and a bunch more free stuff we can not afford. Putin and Kin remain popular because of a lack of real choices. We sort of have the same problem.   
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on December 20, 2019, 09:16:30 PM
Putin and Kin remain popular because of a lack of real choices. We sort of have the same problem.   

Popularity and lack of choice are not really connected.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on December 20, 2019, 09:27:00 PM

Popularity and lack of choice are not really connected.

The more truthful form of your response in both the case of N.Korea and Putin's Russia should be,

"it does not matter if the leader is popular...they ARE the leader".
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Omega1982 on December 21, 2019, 03:28:54 AM
You don't think having a stable, well mannered and competent leader is important when choosing where to relocate to?

Different people see different things. Trump is boorish and brash, but he is doing the job he was voted in to do to the best of his ability. He is getting much stuff right and his voters like him. He is a strong and purposeful leader and many people like that. Indeed, many Russians like that about Putin, many North Koreans about Kim Jong-un, many Brits about Boris (more so with Thatcher), as many Hungarians do about Viktor Orban. People like strong and decisive leaders.


Manny if you like Trump so much then why not relocate to America?  I'll vouch for you as a citizen. 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Lord of the Dance on December 21, 2019, 03:42:26 AM
You don't think having a stable, well mannered and competent leader is important when choosing where to relocate to?

Different people see different things. Trump is boorish and brash, but he is doing the job he was voted in to do to the best of his ability. He is getting much stuff right and his voters like him. He is a strong and purposeful leader and many people like that. Indeed, many Russians like that about Putin, many North Koreans about Kim Jong-un, many Brits about Boris (more so with Thatcher), as many Hungarians do about Viktor Orban. People like strong and decisive leaders.


Manny if you like Trump so much then why not relocate to America?  I'll vouch for you as a citizen.

Manny didn’t say that he likes Trump. Rather he said that Trump’s voters like Trump because he’s not a pushover (certainly why I’ll be voting for him again next year).
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on December 21, 2019, 06:00:28 AM
You don't think having a stable, well mannered and competent leader is important when choosing where to relocate to?

Different people see different things. Trump is boorish and brash, but he is doing the job he was voted in to do to the best of his ability. He is getting much stuff right and his voters like him. He is a strong and purposeful leader and many people like that. Indeed, many Russians like that about Putin, many North Koreans about Kim Jong-un, many Brits about Boris (more so with Thatcher), as many Hungarians do about Viktor Orban. People like strong and decisive leaders.


Manny if you like Trump so much then why not relocate to America?  I'll vouch for you as a citizen.

I'd find it tiresome being shot and sued constantly. And Ocado dont deliver there so I'd starve.  :Stickouttongue2:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on December 21, 2019, 06:41:20 AM
Are you saying that, even with all the attractions offered by the United States of America, you prefer to live in the civilized world?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on December 21, 2019, 01:10:45 PM
Putin and Kin remain popular because of a lack of real choices. We sort of have the same problem.   

Popularity and lack of choice are not really connected.

Yes it is. It is like would you rather have Putin or no body? In the USA trump only has a 40 per cent approval rating. There is bad news about him everyday in the press on nearly every channel most days all days long. You think the US news is hard on Russia it is nothing compared to what Trump as to endure. Putin seldom get his policies questioned. Any serious bad news is quickly shut down. Ten of thousand voters complaining about no real elections in Russia disperse no aloud to protest. Many Russian know the problem it is just you guys.
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on December 21, 2019, 02:23:15 PM


 The world is a safer, more peaceful place under Trump

Yup, tell THAT to the parents, the kids who lost their parents in the Kurdish regions of Syria bordering Turkey .. ALL because 'Trampu' had a brain-fart moment ..

There's but one example - from the past few weeks of how 'safe' he makes folks feel ..

You UKer's aren't sending your sons and daughters to Syria forever, in perpetuity
to die protecting Kurdish children, why should Americans want to do it? We elected
Trump to get us the F#ck out of places like Syria. If that offends your delicate sensibilities
then too bad. Your lot drew the map that left the Kurdish children without a country or a
homeland not ours.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on December 21, 2019, 04:08:23 PM
I'd find it tiresome being shot and sued constantly. And Ocado dont deliver there so I'd starve.  :Stickouttongue2:

LOL.  Yes, there's this big myth about both of those things.  First, if you avoid being a drug dealer or gang member, or hanging out with either, then you'd most likely be in the clear.  My little 'burg hasn't had a killing...ever, and won't likely because we trend educated, employed, and without unmanageable drug problems.  So there's that.

The lawsuit thing is overblown.  We do have more, b/c of contingency fees, but that's a decision about court access, really.  Anyway, if you're not putting formaldehyde into your cough medicine, you should be ok.

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on December 21, 2019, 11:05:33 PM
 Lol, pretty imaginative way of putting your point across

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on December 22, 2019, 02:14:25 AM

 Yes yes, you have shown us previously that you have no business sense as well.

))

No, some one else suggested THAT and you believed them..  May be you didn't read I win my case for compo?



How is that Pound of yours doing these days? crashing like you predicted? Couches Moby.... stick with the couches.

It fell as soon as Boris put the threat of a  'no deal' on the table...

Merry Christmas!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on December 22, 2019, 06:39:40 PM

 Yes yes, you have shown us previously that you have no business sense as well.

))

No, some one else suggested THAT and you believed them..  May be you didn't read I win my case for compo?


 Wrong again, I mentioned on election night how the UK is in a good position to make trades deals and why, before Manny mentioned how much it cost to be part of the EU. Go back and look. When a country consumes as much as the UK they will always have leverage. The US, China, India, etc are sitting there like vultures and would love to pick up extra trade that EU countries have with you guys. France or Germany wants to put tariffs on their products and make them uncompetitive? Fine, just get it somewhere else. The EU will stay competitive you'll see. And they won't be dragging the new trade deals out too long either if they want to keep what they have. Maybe for the odd thing here and there, but the majority of big ticket items that they can lose out on? Not a chance.You are just too thick to see that.




How is that Pound of yours doing these days? crashing like you predicted? Couches Moby.... stick with the couches.

It fell as soon as Boris put the threat of a  'no deal' on the table...

Merry Christmas!

 You are trying to make a big deal out of that minor fluctuation? What a joke, that's not a crash like you were predicting before the election. Everyone knows the chances went way up for a no deal Brexit as soon as they won the majority yet the market went up. Why is that? That is when it would have dropped if what you said was true. And as Manny showed on his charts, it's still doing better than it was over the last couple years so don't try and sell this as a disaster, all you are doing is making yourself look foolish again.

 It's no wonder at your age you still get into situations where you have to bum money from pensioners and sleep on their couches. No business sense at all!

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on December 23, 2019, 12:24:12 AM
d672 has it BAD..

1/ Manny was simply WRONG and a 'minor' fluctuations it was not. It was a calculated stunt to ensure another 11 months plus of a weak GBP.

2/ 'We' ( as in 'UK PLC' ) are in a shyte position to do 'deals'  ....It's hardly like we are negotiating from a position of 'strength'..

You speak of 'beng thick' and yet spout the very same bollox mantra of 'Trampu' or Boris'...

3/ 'We' are throwing away our unique ability to teade in Euros whilst not being in the Euro zone and ghe right to the financial sectors in the EU...Inly an utter IDIOT will have missed many UK companies moving biz to Cyorus or Ireland.... The very people expousung the 'benefits' of leaving are buying a continued ability to be corporately and privately  EU and it is HILARIOUS to read contributors on here in denial....they were hood-winked.

4/ With any luck,  we (that is SC and I )  will be 'couch-surfing' in places I have long wanted to see with her. If the Italians get a move in with that Schengen Visa ...based on my being an EU citizen ))

I even hope said pensioner has a Merry Christmas. 




Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on December 23, 2019, 11:54:13 AM
Putin and Kin remain popular because of a lack of real choices. We sort of have the same problem.   


If you look at who the Western media loves it was Gorbachev and
Yeltsin. They were terrible in many ways for the Russian people.
The average Russian was struggling to eat, they had criminal
gangs roaming the streets, they weren't getting paid at their
jobs, everything was uncertain and the future was scary.

Putin took over and things got significantly better and better.

Russians all know that somebody else could very easily make things
considerably worse. They don't have a history of picking new leaders
every six months (the UK) to four years (the US) like some other
countries do and they don't like to change things up without a very,
very, very good reason. It's not worth gambling on. 

Putin may be a flawed leader, but he's their flawed leader.

If you look at who the Europeans liked in American Presidents it was
Carter and Obama. They were terrible for Americans.

My view is let the Russians solve Russian problems and let Americans
solve theirs. What some other country's people thinks about our
president is almost always wrong and I couldn't care less about
their silly feelings or opinions about it. 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on December 23, 2019, 12:21:56 PM
moby, gurning at an arbitrator or judge with your compo face fully on display is not a sign of being good at business. Being good at business would, in your context, have been to not run a business that was, no matter what you might like to think, based upon the theft of content from a large content provider.

That a 3rd party payment processor was prevailed upon to give you money demonstrates the skills of your legal team and not your own skills which were, clearly, lacking - or you'd not have been in that pickle in the first place.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Omega1982 on December 23, 2019, 07:47:31 PM
Putin and Kin remain popular because of a lack of real choices. We sort of have the same problem.   


If you look at who the Western media loves it was Gorbachev and
Yeltsin. They were terrible in many ways for the Russian people.
The average Russian was struggling to eat, they had criminal
gangs roaming the streets, they weren't getting paid at their
jobs, everything was uncertain and the future was scary.

Putin took over and things got significantly better and better.

Russians all know that somebody else could very easily make things
considerably worse. They don't have a history of picking new leaders
every six months (the UK) to four years (the US) like some other
countries do and they don't like to change things up without a very,
very, very good reason. It's not worth gambling on. 

Putin may be a flawed leader, but he's their flawed leader.

If you look at who the Europeans liked in American Presidents it was
Carter and Obama. They were terrible for Americans.

My view is let the Russians solve Russian problems and let Americans
solve theirs. What some other country's people thinks about our
president is almost always wrong and I couldn't care less about
their silly feelings or opinions about it.


Bill I agree with the first part.  It's true, Russians did not know where their next paycheck or meal was coming from.  But let's not forget the millions of Americans that lost their homes and jobs during the Great Recession which happened under and partially due to Bush.  Obama got us out of the Great Recession.  We were very close to having soup kitchens on the street like in 1929.  By the time Obama left office any American that wanted a job could have a job.  That wasn't the case at all when Bush left office with a 10% unemployment and homes in foreclosure. 
Title: Trump vs Obama economy
Post by: 2tallbill on December 24, 2019, 11:06:08 AM
But let's not forget the millions of Americans that lost their homes and jobs during
the Great Recession which happened under and partially due to Bush.  Obama got
us out of the Great Recession.  We were very close to having soup kitchens on the
street like in 1929. 

By the time Obama left office any American that wanted a job could have a job. 
That wasn't the case at all when Bush left office with a 10% unemployment
and homes in foreclosure.

George Bush was a mediocre president at BEST. He identified the root problems that
caused the housing boom, he predicted the bust and then he did nothing to stop it.
He spent ZERO political capital to stop it.

Obama was a sorry excuse for a president. The economy recovered in spite of his
programs not because of them. His recovery was the second slowest recovery in
American history. Obama had the most people on Food Stamps in US history
including his last year in office.

Obama was the president of slow growth and low paying part time jobs. His Obama
care caused my health care insurance to go up by $700 per month the first year and
$200 more per month in it's second year.

Obama did ALL of this while the Federal reserve was pumping trillions into the economy
with quantitative easing.

Trump grew the economy and got millions off food stamps by simply reversing all those
stupid Obama policies while the Fed was bumping up interest rates. Under Trump Black
unemployment is the lowest in US history since they started measuring it, and the same
for Hispanic unemployment. Wages went up under Trump, he cut taxes and simultaneously
increasing revenue to the treasury.

Don't believe all the liberal tripe that you read. Don't take my word for any of my
claims use Google and look it up yourself. 

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Omega1982 on December 24, 2019, 08:50:39 PM
To say that Bush was mediocre is like saying hurricane Katrina was a light storm.  Bush lied and cheated.  He lied to the American public.  He got us into an unnecessary war.  Maybe you can tell the people that lost their homes or the people that lost their jobs (both in the millions) that he was mediocre. 
The only reason there were people on food stamps under Obama was because he had to clean up Bush's terrible economy.  Fixing the economy of a country is not like switching a light switch.  It takes time and it did.  Yes, the economy is good now.  But it depends who you ask.  There was a recent study which shows that yes the unemployment is low but 44% of American jobs pay less than $15 per hour.  Obama was courteous and respectful.  Trump has insulted every single minority, he has insulted foreign leaders.  Trump has lied and cheated.  I don't usually ask google, I ask my former economics professor which believes the trade war could cause a recession.  This is a woman with a phd in economics. 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on December 25, 2019, 09:47:15 AM
While during Christmas, I am reluctant to enter into this discussion. Omega, is largely correct, the uncouth and boorish behavior of D. Trump. Is also accompanied by a mentality of America First. (Well it could be argued Trump first and than the rest.) Where as Obama failed to build consensus on the world arena and only helped to divide the country.

I suspect though history will judge G. W. Bush the most harshly. It would have been best for the country if he was elected to be president of the local Rotary club and there it should have ended.
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on December 25, 2019, 04:34:49 PM
To say that Bush was mediocre is like saying hurricane Katrina was a light storm.  Bush lied and cheated.  He lied to the American public.  He got us into an unnecessary war.  Maybe you can tell the people that lost their homes or the people that lost their jobs (both in the millions) that he was mediocre. 

I said he was mediocre at best. I lost my ass during the crash, my son went
to both Afghanistan and Iraq. Believe me I'm not a fan. You are an Obama apologist,
just like FDR he came up with one bad policy that didn't work after another.
Obamacare being the worst. That was what hurt the economy and me
personally the most.


The only reason there were people on food stamps under Obama was because
he had to clean up Bush's terrible economy.  Fixing the economy of a country
is not like switching a light switch.  It takes time and it did. 

It took Obama 8 years of sorry programs to fix the Bush bust? Then he wasn't
smart enough to be president. Every president in history EXCEPT one did better
after a recession. He kept putting restrictions on the economy again and again
and again. It was him that kept people on food stamps, because they couldn't
get a full time job.

Yes, the economy is good now.  But it depends who you ask.  There was a recent
study which shows that yes the unemployment is low but 44% of American jobs
pay less than $15 per hour.  Obama was courteous and respectful. 

There is no way that your information is correct. Go to Google and use the search
terms "Median income USA 2019." Take that number and divide it by 2000 hours and
you will get an approximate median wages per hour rate. 

Obama was a race warrior, courteous he was not.

I ask my former economics professor which believes the trade war could cause a recession. 
This is a woman with a phd in economics.

I'm not interested in the opinion of your socialist professor as related by somebody else.
If she wants to post here herself of course she is welcome. You can look up the statistics
from the US Census bureau. A trade war could easily start a recession, but the current
back and forth with the US and China doesn't even come close to a trade war. This is
minor bickering not a war.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Omega1982 on December 26, 2019, 08:01:04 PM
Bill how is my former professor socialist?  How about your wife's former professors?  If socialism bothers you so much then why visit Russia, why marry a Russian woman?  Actually the professor that said that is a republican that voted for Bush.  But she's also an economist and she doesn't believe the trade war will do any good. 

What about Scandinavia?  They're socialist although more democratic. 

By the way none of the previous recessions came anywhere near as bad at the one in 2007-2009.  The closest was the crash of 1929. 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on December 26, 2019, 09:57:50 PM
What about Scandinavia?  They're socialist although more democratic. 

Someone disagrees with you....but what could he possibly know?  He's only the Prime Minister of Denmark.  :chuckle:

"I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy.  The Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security for its citizens, but it is also a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish.” (https://www.thelocal.dk/20151101/danish-pm-in-us-denmark-is-not-socialist)

-Lars Løkke Rasmussen, Prime Minister of Denmark, speaking at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, and no doubt freaking out a lot of short-pants communist students.

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Omega1982 on December 26, 2019, 10:36:58 PM
What about Scandinavia?  They're socialist although more democratic. 

Someone disagrees with you....but what could he possibly know?  He's only the Prime Minister of Denmark.  :chuckle:

"I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy.  The Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security for its citizens, but it is also a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish.” (https://www.thelocal.dk/20151101/danish-pm-in-us-denmark-is-not-socialist)

-Lars Løkke Rasmussen, Prime Minister of Denmark, speaking at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, and no doubt freaking out a lot of short-pants communist students.

B/B

Sounds like Utopia.  Are there any single Danish women for me? 
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on December 27, 2019, 10:04:03 AM
What about Scandinavia?  They're socialist although more democratic. 

Scandinavia isn't socialist. Businesses own the means of production, people
own land and factories, they have stock markets, they are capitalists that
are extremely hampered by their governments but they aren't socialist.
Their economic system is closer to fascism than socialist. 

By the way none of the previous recessions came anywhere near as bad at the one in 2007-2009.  The closest was the crash of 1929.

Please enlighten me and name one single economic metric by which you are making
that claim. During the Great Depression, unemployment reached 25%, and the
country's output plummeted by nearly 50%.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on December 27, 2019, 11:43:11 AM
First you didn't answer a single one of my questions or address any
of my points.

Bill how is my former professor socialist? 

She probably isn't, my point is that I would rather debate you than some
perceived authority of economics speaking through you. OR I would be happy 
to debate her if she wants to join the forum and speak for herself.

NOTE: She won't be arguing that the housing bubble recession was greater
than the great depression because she probably understands the basics of
economics.


If socialism bothers you so much then why visit Russia, why marry a Russian woman? 

The answer is simple economics, the law of supply and demand. NOTE: It's
called the law of supply and demand and not the theory of supply and demand.

I wanted a hot slim woman who wasn't cRaZy and Russia had a surplus of
them. Russia is a country that socialism failed in. NOBODY in Russia wants
to return to it, they learned their lesson. A Russian woman would be perfect
for me. I found a good one and I was right, I am crazy about that girl. 

But she's also an economist and she doesn't believe the trade war will do any good. 

She is correct, a true trade war wouldn't do us any good. Luckily that's not
what we have. The Smoot–Hawley Tariff Act caused a real trade war, you
should look it up and educate yourself about it that way you wouldn't call
a little spat a trade war.

Lastly,

You haven't answered any of my questions or any of my points.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on December 27, 2019, 11:48:57 AM
Sounds like Utopia.  Are there any single Danish women for me?

Sophie Hagen, is a Dane, still single, she has a great sense of humor is an author
and knows English fluently. (She's a little bit fat)

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSYO01Wdqc-9m6_yStKAqjVS4NpkOhh-u10suxRDFONNpnOlI-p&s)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Omega1982 on December 27, 2019, 07:44:28 PM
The crash of 1929 was the most devastating.  Second place the 2007-2009 great recession.  Besides those two the other recessions were minor.  You're talking about recoveries from the other recessions which were minor.  The great depression and the great recession were the bad ones. 

There were good things coming out of the Soviet Union.  Healthcare, culture, education, defeating the Germans, quality manufacturing, massive housing projects.  I was in the FSU earlier this year and a British tourist was commenting how after WWII basically in five years there was housing for the entire FSU.  I think he said it was almost a quarter billion total population including all fifteen republics.  The FSU women I've met by and large are some of the most cultured and intelligent women in the world.  I had an American woman with a university degree tell me earlier this year that Mongolia was in Africa.  So yes, there were accomplishments. 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Guile on December 27, 2019, 10:02:53 PM
Omega how many countries' women do you want to find? you talked China, Korea, South America, Russia, Kazazkh...now Denmark? why no African girls?
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on December 28, 2019, 12:01:06 AM
So yes, there were accomplishments.

We agree on that, they put the first man in space, they developed laser eye surgery,
they invented the helicopter, synthetic rubber and a whole host of other things.   
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on December 31, 2019, 03:18:55 AM
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/12/29/russiagate-investigation-now-endangers-obama/

Any thoughts on this piece?
I don't think obama is in any real legal trouble, despite the texts claims.

It would be fun to watch the whole russiagate/ukrainegate/etc. cave in on itself though, i have never seen the state work so aggressivly against the legally elected president as with trump. Perhaps they can pursue some of those individuals for treason.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on December 31, 2019, 03:32:43 AM
If true then the forces opposed to the electorate of the United States are going to fight back. So far they've not been very successful except in terms of protecting their own people. The opposition goals have not been advanced.

My take is that governing the United States will become even more difficult for the elected representatives, including the president.

The coup attempt is ongoing and will strengthen.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on January 02, 2020, 05:19:23 PM
Unless an asteroid hits Wall Street Trump will win in an electoral college landslide:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/15/moodys-election-models-predict-trump-will-crush-democrat-in-2020/  The economy has only grown stronger since October with first day 2021 trading setting Dow, S&P and Nas New record highs...

The silver lining is the coup plotting seditionists have all been flushed out of their rat holes and will face severe criminal repercussions in 2020 and 2021.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 03, 2020, 11:14:37 AM
Unless an asteroid hits Wall Street Trump will win in an electoral college landslide:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/15/moodys-election-models-predict-trump-will-crush-democrat-in-2020/  The economy has only grown stronger since October with first day 2021 trading setting Dow, S&P and Nas New record highs...

The silver lining is the coup plotting seditionists have all been flushed out of their rat holes and will face severe criminal repercussions in 2020 and 2021.

Not the seditionists who hope to encourage the USA into yet another Middle East war, this time against Iran. Their plans have been progressing and if they succeed all Wall Street gains will be wiped out. Millions will die and the economy of the World will be in tatters.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on January 03, 2020, 05:20:35 PM
The Dems have changed the way they are going to do the primary. Supper Tuesday will have most of the states which will mean there will not likely be a clear winner. This way there will be a brokered convention rather that the candidate elected by the voters. 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on January 04, 2020, 01:58:05 AM


Not the seditionists who hope to encourage the USA into yet another Middle East war, this time against Iran. Their plans have been progressing and if they succeed all Wall Street gains will be wiped out. Millions will die and the economy of the World will be in tatters.

IF 'Trampu' had taken a harder stance, earlier - he'd not be back-tracking, now ...



Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on January 04, 2020, 10:13:24 AM
Unless an asteroid hits Wall Street Trump will win in an electoral college landslide:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/15/moodys-election-models-predict-trump-will-crush-democrat-in-2020/  The economy has only grown stronger since October with first day 2021 trading setting Dow, S&P and Nas New record highs...

The silver lining is the coup plotting seditionists have all been flushed out of their rat holes and will face severe criminal repercussions in 2020 and 2021.

Not the seditionists who hope to encourage the USA into yet another Middle East war, this time against Iran. Their plans have been progressing and if they succeed all Wall Street gains will be wiped out. Millions will die and the economy of the World will be in tatters.

Lololol... The only way our Armed forces officers can earn rapid rank promotions are via actual Combat experience so this is overdue as both the House of Saud and the Israelites have long wanted to behead the Persian snakes... All of your FUD was being spread by all the pacifist factions during GHWB gulf one expedition which lasted all of two months and he returned our forces home after the highway of death victory.

Of course his moron frat boy son W turned gulf 2 into a 20 year mil industrial complex cash cow... Go figure.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 04, 2020, 02:26:01 PM
Unless an asteroid hits Wall Street Trump will win in an electoral college landslide:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/15/moodys-election-models-predict-trump-will-crush-democrat-in-2020/  The economy has only grown stronger since October with first day 2021 trading setting Dow, S&P and Nas New record highs...

The silver lining is the coup plotting seditionists have all been flushed out of their rat holes and will face severe criminal repercussions in 2020 and 2021.

Not the seditionists who hope to encourage the USA into yet another Middle East war, this time against Iran. Their plans have been progressing and if they succeed all Wall Street gains will be wiped out. Millions will die and the economy of the World will be in tatters.

Lololol... The only way our Armed forces officers can earn rapid rank promotions are via actual Combat experience so this is overdue as both the House of Saud and the Israelites have long wanted to behead the Persian snakes... All of your FUD was being spread by all the pacifist factions during GHWB gulf one expedition which lasted all of two months and he returned our forces home after the highway of death victory.

Of course his moron frat boy son W turned gulf 2 into a 20 year mil industrial complex cash cow... Go figure.

I’d rather be a pacifist than a warmonger. You seem to think this is a joke.

It isn’t going to go well like you think it will. The only good thing possibly is the Iranians have promised to turn Israel into a Nuclear dumpsite.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on January 04, 2020, 07:41:31 PM
Trump is not going to get into a long term war in Iran. This is just the democrats trying to get him out of office. We might trade a few blows here because Iran was covertly retaliating because Trump pulled out of the nuclear deal. This horrible deal gave Iran many billions of dollars which they used to expand wars. Trump does not want to invade Iran.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on January 05, 2020, 12:05:00 AM
Trump is not going to get into a long term war in Iran. This is just the democrats trying to get him out of office. We might trade a few blows here because Iran was covertly retaliating because Trump pulled out of the nuclear deal. This horrible deal gave Iran many billions of dollars which they used to expand wars. Trump does not want to invade Iran.

OMG.. SUCH ignorance..

The 'horrible deal' was anything but ..

MANY nations backed it and it was only down to 'Tampu's' trying to uddo anything 'O'Bama' did that it was dismembered ..

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 05, 2020, 11:48:36 AM
Trump is not going to get into a long term war in Iran. This is just the democrats trying to get him out of office. We might trade a few blows here because Iran was covertly retaliating because Trump pulled out of the nuclear deal. This horrible deal gave Iran many billions of dollars which they used to expand wars. Trump does not want to invade Iran.

OMG.. SUCH ignorance..

The 'horrible deal' was anything but ..

MANY nations backed it and it was only down to 'Tampu's' trying to uddo anything 'O'Bama' did that it was dismembered ..

I believe Trump’s actions on the Iran deal have more to do with him taking directions from his wealthy Zionist Jew benefactors and less to do with Obama.

But we’re in rare agreement, the Iran deal should have remained in place.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 05, 2020, 12:44:25 PM
Foot in mouth.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1Z40CS
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on January 05, 2020, 02:02:44 PM
hope to encourage the USA into yet another Middle East war, this
time against Iran.

I don't think Trump is going to fall for that.

Shooting a Iran general who was in Iraq coordinating the attack
on our embassy in Iraq isn't an act of war by the US.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on January 05, 2020, 04:41:44 PM
Iraqi parliament votes to expel US troops (https://www.dw.com/en/iraqi-parliament-votes-to-expel-us-troops-awaits-government-approval/a-51892888).

The Iraqi parliament has voted for a resolution to ask the government to end the agreement to host US troops in Iraq. The move would essentially oust US troops and all other foreign troops from Iraq. :pointlaugh:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 05, 2020, 05:47:31 PM
Moby will like this article because Trump voters are referred to as bigots.

The country is certainly divided but it’s not as bad as she thinks. A very good economy prevents that kind of desperation.

https://www.newsweek.com/new-hampshire-democrat-says-shes-been-threatened-after-warning-trump-voters-will-start-civil-war-1480478
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on January 05, 2020, 05:54:37 PM
The Iraqi parliament has voted for a resolution to ask the government to end the agreement to host US troops in Iraq. The move would essentially oust US troops and all other foreign troops from Iraq. :pointlaugh:

If I remember correctly they weren't invited to come to Iraq in the first place.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 05, 2020, 06:19:18 PM
Iraqi parliament votes to expel US troops (https://www.dw.com/en/iraqi-parliament-votes-to-expel-us-troops-awaits-government-approval/a-51892888).

The Iraqi parliament has voted for a resolution to ask the government to end the agreement to host US troops in Iraq. The move would essentially oust US troops and all other foreign troops from Iraq. :pointlaugh:

Article is misleading Only about 170 Shiite parliament members showed up to vote. The Kurds and Sunni didn't show up. There's about 330 Iraqi parliament members. Shiite members like Iran. The rest of the members do not want Iran in their country bribing their politicians and generals.

Parliament's vote is to ask the government to get rid of foreign troops. ISIS is gone so American troops that were invited into Iraq were asked to train Iraqi troops so they can take care of their security. It was an Iraqi base that was attacked by Iranian back militia when the American contractor was killed. America was rolling back their operations in Iraq anyway. They have bases in Kuwait, Jordon, Saudi Arabia, UAE and a few other places to hit Iran should they kill another American. A lot of people are hoping Iran gives Trump a reason to bomb their nuke program 10 years back.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 05, 2020, 06:20:00 PM
The Iraqi parliament has voted for a resolution to ask the government to end the agreement to host US troops in Iraq. The move would essentially oust US troops and all other foreign troops from Iraq. :pointlaugh:

If I remember correctly they weren't invited to come to Iraq in the first place.

Yeah but who’s counting unlawful un Constitutional US invasions of foreign countries?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 05, 2020, 06:25:28 PM
Yeah but who’s counting unlawful un Constitutional US invasions of foreign countries?


The American contractor and American embassy in Iraq were there lawfully. The attack of the embassy and killing of American were unlawful. Trump is going to make sure Iran pays 10 times more than what they dish out. Trump believes in more than an eye for an eye.

Iran should save their attacks for the next time we vote in a Democratic President. They'll get away with it then.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 05, 2020, 06:33:10 PM
Yeah but who’s counting unlawful un Constitutional US invasions of foreign countries?


The American contractor and American embassy in Iraq were there lawfully. The attack of the embassy and killing of American were unlawful. Trump is going to make sure Iran pays 10 times more than what they dish out. Trump believes in more than an eye for an eye.

Iran should save their attacks for the next time we vote in a Democratic President. They'll get away with it then.

Uh, no. Go back further.

Are you really serious? The US invasion of Iraq was unlawful and unConstitutional, IN THE FIRST PLACE!

We don’t belong there! It’s NOT OUR COUNTRY!

There’s no national security at risk there! Only profit for bankers and warmongers.

Meanwhile our Southern border is still porous and there is actually an invasion of the United States of America THERE.

Guys like you are why the USA is going to eventually falter and disappear, just like Rome.

Destroyed from within by parasites and willingly blind “patriots”.


Ever since the 2003 invasion, Iraq has been ruled by a succession of US-appointed figureheads who have proven as corrupt as they are inept. During the war, the US destroyed most of Iraq’s water and sewage systems, causing some 500,000 children to die from water-borne diseases, wrecking much of its industry and commerce, leaving millions of men unemployed. Public services have broken down.

Before the US invasion, Iraq led the Arab world in industry, farming, medicine, education and women’s rights. All that was destroyed by the ‘liberation.’



http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2019/november/17/plundering-iraq/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 05, 2020, 06:46:33 PM
Are you really this slow? The US invasion of Iraq was unlawful and unConstitutional, IN THE FIRST PLACE!


Saddam violated UN resolutions that he was supposed to abide by in order to remain in power. He failed. Bush II made him pay. Get over it. Time to move on.

It’s NOT OUR COUNTRY you twit!


Newsflash! Iraq always few the Iraqi flag, not the American flag.

There’s no national security at risk there! Only profit for bankers and warmongers.


More conspiracy theories? The Iranian General is responsible for hundreds of deaths of Americans. Lets say you get involved with a girl and have a family. Some of your family get killed. You do nothing and tell your girl there's no security risk. What she going to think of you?

Twits like you are why the USA is going to eventually falter and disappear, just like Rome.


Name calling! Brings back memories of 4th grade. A good sign you feel you're losing the debate. Doing nothing gets a nation to falter and disappear. Various groups chipped away on Rome and finally succeeded because Rome didn't do enough to preserve it's way of life. You think humans are capable of holding hands and getting along peacefully? Going to beat Iran with kindness? Probably why you'd do nothing when a threat presents itself. A perfect world isn't possible with imperfect beings.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 05, 2020, 07:00:50 PM
Hey Billy if the USA was a smaller country and we were invaded by a larger more powerful country, with a much more powerful Army and especially Air Force, would you fight back? Would you attempt to kill as many of the invaders as possible? So now how would you feel if they labeled you a “terrorist” when in fact it was your country they had invaded, and you were fighting to defend your own soil? Not only that but they were plundering your countries resources.

I don’t need to insult you. Your positions are indefensible and you’re a typical blind “patriot”. You attempt to defend your positions with elaborate lies.

Meanwhile the USA is indeed being invaded here, on our soil.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 05, 2020, 07:33:58 PM
Hey Billy if the USA was a smaller country and we were invaded by a larger more powerful country, with a much more powerful Army and especially Air Force, would you fight back?


With the life USA provides me and my family, yes I'd fight back to preserve our way of life. I'd even fight for others when not required. When Kuwait was invaded in 1990, I joined the Army to go help Kuwaitis get their country back. I didn't do it for the oil or because some Jew asked me to.

Meanwhile the USA is indeed being invaded here, on our soil.


I don't mind others who seek a better life and cross the border. Some will get through and some will get turned around. We shouldn't let everyone in and there should be barriers. I still value people as individuals and I'd prefer an illegal immigrant who's productive than a legal citizen who's a drain on society any day.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 05, 2020, 08:14:57 PM
Hey Billy if the USA was a smaller country and we were invaded by a larger more powerful country, with a much more powerful Army and especially Air Force, would you fight back?


With the life USA provides me and my family, yes I'd fight back to preserve our way of life. I'd even fight for others when not required. When Kuwait was invaded in 1990, I joined the Army to go help Kuwaitis get their country back. I didn't do it for the oil or because some Jew asked me to.



That’s what you think. Just because you’re not smart enough to figure it out doesn’t mean it isn’t so.

You didn’t go either, therefore it’s all talk.

Fact is there was a humanitarian crisis in Rwanda as well, but the USA didn’t interfere because there wasn’t any oil there.



Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 05, 2020, 08:23:37 PM
Are you really this slow? The US invasion of Iraq was unlawful and unConstitutional, IN THE FIRST PLACE!


Saddam violated UN resolutions that he was supposed to abide by in order to remain in power. He failed. Bush II made him pay. Get over it. Time to move on.

It’s NOT OUR COUNTRY you twit!


Newsflash! Iraq always few the Iraqi flag, not the American flag.

There’s no national security at risk there! Only profit for bankers and warmongers.


More conspiracy theories? The Iranian General is responsible for hundreds of deaths of Americans. Lets say you get involved with a girl and have a family. Some of your family get killed. You do nothing and tell your girl there's no security risk. What she going to think of you?

Twits like you are why the USA is going to eventually falter and disappear, just like Rome.


Name calling! Brings back memories of 4th grade. A good sign you feel you're losing the debate. Doing nothing gets a nation to falter and disappear. Various groups chipped away on Rome and finally succeeded because Rome didn't do enough to preserve it's way of life. You think humans are capable of holding hands and getting along peacefully? Going to beat Iran with kindness? Probably why you'd do nothing when a threat presents itself. A perfect world isn't possible with imperfect beings.

No conspiracy theory at all, the war profiteering from the Iraq War is well documented.

If you were courageous enough to actually read something thought provoking which challenges your Worldview you would know it.

For example KBR a subsidiary of Halliburton charged the Pentagon $99.95 to wash a duffel bag of dirty clothes for Soldiers and Marines. The Soldiers and Marines complained their clothes came back dirtier than before: they were oily and sandy.

The Iraqi’s who with the aid of some Iranians are fighting back and killing Americans are doing so ON THEIR SOIL. We invaded them. They didn’t come to the USA and invade us.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 05, 2020, 08:35:52 PM
The military-industrial-complex [would] cause military spending to be driven not by national security needs but by a network of weapons makers, lobbyists and elected officials. — Dwight D. Eisenhower

There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket. — General Smedley D. Butler


https://www.globalresearch.ca/why-the-us-is-not-leaving-iraq-the-booming-business-of-war-profiteers/4423
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 05, 2020, 09:44:55 PM
The blueprint for Iran now?

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/01/what-iranian-way-war-looks-like/604438/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 05, 2020, 10:15:28 PM
That’s what you think. Just because you’re not smart enough to figure it out doesn’t mean it isn’t so.


When something in the world happens you don't like, you always think there's a Jew behind it masterminding the whole operation. You even thing a Jew brainwashed me to do his bidding.  :'(

Fact is there was a humanitarian crisis in Rwanda as well, but the USA didn’t interfere because there wasn’t any oil there.


So what! Quit complaining what America didn't do. Did you go to Rwanda to help those people? You didn't because like America, you didn't have anything to gain from helping those people. WE can't be the policemen for everybody. Clinton tried to help Somalia. got troops killed and got nothing in return. So what if America places more value on Kuwait or Iraq instead of Rwanda. I watched the movie and felt bad for the people there but they aren't as valuable as others. If Rwanda did a lot of business with America, they may have received help.

As individuals we place value on others. I will give my life to protect my family. I will even fight alongside my friends risking bodily injury to help them. There may be a cost to me but they are valuable and I get a return. I run a business but I won't risk my life for a customer but will help them to a certain degree because I'd get a financial return from them. I definitely won't risk my life for a bum on the street because I won't get any return from them.

European nations have more value to America than Middle East nations. We do so much business with each other it benefits us all to continue to exist as friends and prosper. Don't be upset certain nations have more value than others. That's the way it's supposed to be.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 05, 2020, 10:40:16 PM
That’s what you think. Just because you’re not smart enough to figure it out doesn’t mean it isn’t so.


When something in the world happens you don't like, you always think there's a Jew behind it masterminding the whole operation. You even thing a Jew brainwashed me to do his bidding.  :'(

Fact is there was a humanitarian crisis in Rwanda as well, but the USA didn’t interfere because there wasn’t any oil there.


So what! Quit complaining what America didn't do. Did you go to Rwanda to help those people? You didn't because like America, you didn't have anything to gain from helping those people. WE can't be the policemen for everybody. Clinton tried to help Somalia. got troops killed and got nothing in return. So what if America places more value on Kuwait or Iraq instead of Rwanda. I watched the movie and felt bad for the people there but they aren't as valuable as others. If Rwanda did a lot of business with America, they may have received help.

As individuals we place value on others. I will give my life to protect my family. I will even fight alongside my friends risking bodily injury to help them. There may be a cost to me but they are valuable and I get a return. I run a business but I won't risk my life for a customer but will help them to a certain degree because I'd get a financial return from them. I definitely won't risk my life for a bum on the street because I won't get any return from them.

European nations have more value to America than Middle East nations. We do so much business with each other it benefits us all to continue to exist as friends and prosper. Don't be upset certain nations have more value than others. That's the way it's supposed to be.

 :ROFL:    :ROFL:    :ROFL:    tiphat

Good gawd what a bunch of horseshit!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on January 06, 2020, 12:47:54 AM
While during Christmas, I am reluctant to enter into this discussion. Omega, is largely correct, the uncouth and boorish behavior of D. Trump. Is also accompanied by a mentality of America First. (Well it could be argued Trump first and than the rest.) Where as Obama failed to build consensus on the world arena and only helped to divide the country.

I suspect though history will judge G. W. Bush the most harshly. It would have been best for the country if he was elected to be president of the local Rotary club and there it should have ended.


'O'bama' got concenus on climate change and a deal to ensure Iran did not invest in nuclear weapons..

It is surprising that you forget these things and WHO wrecked them putting the rather unsavoury 'leaders' in Iran on a path nations sought to avoid...

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Wiz on January 06, 2020, 03:22:55 AM
Fact is there was a humanitarian crisis in Rwanda as well, but the USA didn’t interfere because there wasn’t any oil there.

So what! Quit complaining what America didn't do. Did you go to Rwanda to help those people? You didn't because like America, you didn't have anything to gain from helping those people. WE can't be the policemen for everybody.

Confed, Do you really think you can change the views of a person who previously has put the interests of his Foreign boss. America,  above the interests of his own Birth country and probably  helped USA to destroy it?

It has been mentioned before..... "USA invades other small countries to steal their Natural resources and not to fight or help the war against poverty.

Bài Ca Hồ Chí Minh! Ballad of Ho Chi Minh!


Imaging if Ho Chi Minh got hold of him..... he would be treated like a child with soft gloves!

Remember that Bill escaped his birth country and was supported probably
by the CIA or the American Army to escape the Army of Ho Chi Minh.


(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/95/Saigon-hubert-van-es.jpg)

As individuals we place value on others. I will give my life to protect my family. I will even fight alongside my friends risking bodily injury to help them. There may be a cost to me but they are valuable and I get a return. I run a business but I won't risk my life for a customer but will help them to a certain degree because I'd get a financial return from them. I definitely won't risk my life for a bum on the street because I won't get any return from them.

He clearly stated his own values in life. and are not what you expected to hear from a person that put Profit above everything else including the destruction of his own birth country!

 :sick0012:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2020, 06:15:26 AM
Fact is there was a humanitarian crisis in Rwanda as well, but the USA didn’t interfere because there wasn’t any oil there.

So what! Quit complaining what America didn't do. Did you go to Rwanda to help those people? You didn't because like America, you didn't have anything to gain from helping those people. WE can't be the policemen for everybody.

Confed, Do you really think you can change the views of a person who previously has put the interests of his Foreign boss. America,  above the interests of his own Birth country and probably  helped USA to destroy it?

It has been mentioned before..... "USA invades other small countries to steal their Natural resources and not to fight or help the war against poverty.

Bài Ca Hồ Chí Minh! Ballad of Ho Chi Minh!


Imaging if Ho Chi Minh got hold of him..... he would be treated like a child with soft gloves!

Remember that Bill escaped his birth country and was supported probably
by the CIA or the American Army to escape the Army of Ho Chi Minh.


(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/95/Saigon-hubert-van-es.jpg)

As individuals we place value on others. I will give my life to protect my family. I will even fight alongside my friends risking bodily injury to help them. There may be a cost to me but they are valuable and I get a return. I run a business but I won't risk my life for a customer but will help them to a certain degree because I'd get a financial return from them. I definitely won't risk my life for a bum on the street because I won't get any return from them.

He clearly stated his own values in life. and are not what you expected to hear from a person that put Profit above everything else including the destruction of his own birth country!

 :sick0012:

Stockholm syndrome.  :laugh:
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on January 06, 2020, 09:30:09 AM
'O'bama' got concenus on climate change and a deal to ensure Iran did not invest in nuclear weapons..

Obama gave China and India a pass on climate change till when? 2050?
It was a STUPID and expensive agreement that killed business and the
US competitive advantage.

The reason that so many Americans were on food stamps under Obama
was because of stupid things he did to hurt our economy. The Paris Climate
debacle was an excellent example on how NOT to do things.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 06, 2020, 10:11:17 AM
a person who previously has put the interests of his Foreign boss. America,  above the interests of his own Birth country and probably  helped USA to destroy it?

Bài Ca Hồ Chí Minh! Ballad of Ho Chi Minh!


Wiz, you do know South Vietnam was it's own country before Russia backed Ho Chi Minh took it over? BTW, I've never been a citizen of South Vietnam although I was born there.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on January 06, 2020, 11:22:54 AM
Confed, Mobster and Wiz - you are all GUILTY of giving aid and Comfort to our (Allies) ENEMIES... 

Oh and it is rich listening to a Greek enjoying the freedoms of the Bloody UK Empire that were purchased with the real BLOOD of hundreds of thousands USA patriots including my relatives just 80 short years ago.

Go bugger your treasonous selves off in a Conga Line Circle jerk you seem to be so fond of.

Might as well deal with Iran, China and add the EU traitors to the list of our enemies at the same time and just get it over with.  Economic War, Cyber War, Space War would be good practice for our lads.

Tested in Japan and now READY for IRAN.

Best buy yourselves some radiation filtering breathing masks and iodine for your thyroids as you are likely to need them sooner than later.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2020, 12:13:29 PM
Confed, Mobster and Wiz - you are all GUILTY of giving aid and Comfort to our (Allies) ENEMIES... 

Oh and it is rich listening to a Greek enjoying the freedoms of the Bloody UK Empire that were purchased with the real BLOOD of hundreds of thousands USA patriots including my relatives just 80 short years ago.

Go bugger your treasonous selves off in a Conga Line Circle jerk you seem to be so fond of.

Might as well deal with Iran, China and add the EU traitors to the list of our enemies at the same time and just get it over with.  Economic War, Cyber War, Space War would be good practice for our lads.

Tested in Japan and now READY for IRAN.

Best buy yourselves some radiation filtering breathing masks and iodine for your thyroids as you are likely to need them sooner than later.

War is a racket and you of all people should know it.

Our enemies are those who want to weaken the USA economy and otherwise in yet another endless war. The traitors are the bankers and others who seek to profit from war and human misery.

Deep down you know this is correct but the machismo of your youth still beckons to you.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 06, 2020, 12:31:00 PM
Our enemies are those who want to weaken the USA economy'


What nations do you think want to weaken our economy? Is Iran one of them?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2020, 12:49:59 PM
Our enemies are those who want to weaken the USA economy'


What nations do you think want to weaken our economy? Is Iran one of them?


I’ll post the answer again, not for Billy Bob, who likes to deliberately play the fool, but for intelligent readers who really want to challenge the notion that the USA should be in endless wars.

First of all Eisenhower said it very well and I posted his words of wisdom above. Here they are again:

“The military-industrial-complex [would] cause military spending to be driven not by national security needs but by a network of weapons makers, lobbyists and elected officials”. — Dwight D. Eisenhower


Saul Alinsky exposed the goal of Globalization aka Communism in number 3:


http://www.kegley-inc.com/8-levels-control-useful-idiots-saul-alinsky/

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on January 06, 2020, 01:10:47 PM
War is a racket.

We are in agreement on that. 

Soleimani was killed in Iraq. He was an Iranian general and wasn't
invited by the Government of Iraq. He helped organize an attack on
the US Embassy. Our embassy is there at the invitation of Iraq. He was
killed in Iraq, he just as easily could have been killed in Yemen, Syria
or Afghanistan or Lebanon. He has killed Americans in the past.

His Quds Force has been designated as an international terrorist organization. As such he is targeted for death at anytime,
anyplace, anywhere. Boo-hoo!

Killing him is not an act of war, we have every right to protect our
embassies. Nobody will dispute that.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2020, 02:00:19 PM
War is a racket.

We are in agreement on that. 

Soleimani was killed in Iraq. He was an Iranian general and wasn't
invited by the Government of Iraq. He helped organize an attack on
the US Embassy. Our embassy is there at the invitation of Iraq. He was
killed in Iraq, he just as easily could have been killed in Yemen, Syria
or Afghanistan or Lebanon. He has killed Americans in the past.

His Quds Force has been designated as an international terrorist organization. As such he is targeted for death at anytime,
anyplace, anywhere. Boo-hoo!

Killing him is not an act of war, we have every right to protect our
embassies. Nobody will dispute that.

You make a good argument. I have mixed feelings about killing Soleimani.

Just don’t want yet another fruitless war over there. Which could wreck our economy and kill Millions of innocents in the crossfire.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2020, 05:14:32 PM
'O'bama' got concenus on climate change and a deal to ensure Iran did not invest in nuclear weapons..

Obama gave China and India a pass on climate change till when? 2050?
It was a STUPID and expensive agreement that killed business and the
US competitive advantage.

The reason that so many Americans were on food stamps under Obama
was because of stupid things he did to hurt our economy. The Paris Climate
debacle was an excellent example on how NOT to do things.

For the US economy Obama was a horrible President.

The climate change agenda is a fraud, just another attempt to hurt the US economy. Notice that China can continue to pollute and the reason is that they’re already Communist. So that’s okay. BS!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2020, 05:35:55 PM
That’s what you think. Just because you’re not smart enough to figure it out doesn’t mean it isn’t so.


When something in the world happens you don't like, you always think there's a Jew behind it masterminding the whole operation. You even thing a Jew brainwashed me to do his bidding.  :'(

Fact is there was a humanitarian crisis in Rwanda as well, but the USA didn’t interfere because there wasn’t any oil there.


So what! Quit complaining what America didn't do. Did you go to Rwanda to help those people? You didn't because like America, you didn't have anything to gain from helping those people. WE can't be the policemen for everybody. Clinton tried to help Somalia. got troops killed and got nothing in return. So what if America places more value on Kuwait or Iraq instead of Rwanda. I watched the movie and felt bad for the people there but they aren't as valuable as others. If Rwanda did a lot of business with America, they may have received help.

As individuals we place value on others. I will give my life to protect my family. I will even fight alongside my friends risking bodily injury to help them. There may be a cost to me but they are valuable and I get a return. I run a business but I won't risk my life for a customer but will help them to a certain degree because I'd get a financial return from them. I definitely won't risk my life for a bum on the street because I won't get any return from them.

European nations have more value to America than Middle East nations. We do so much business with each other it benefits us all to continue to exist as friends and prosper. Don't be upset certain nations have more value than others. That's the way it's supposed to be.

You previously claimed you weren’t going to fight in Kuwait over oil but you just wanted to “help them get their country back”. But when I mentioned Rwanda you then say they didn’t conduct enough business with the USA.

Just what kind of business was Kuwait conducting with the USA? That’s right, they’re an oil exporter. So regardless of your initial denial, you then go on to admit you would fight on behalf of Kuwait for oil, in a roundabout way. I never mentioned Jews, you did. I mentioned bankers. It’s well known that immoral bankers love war because they can make enormous profits. So here’s the blunt truth:

1. Billy Bob was gonna fight for Kuwait, because “business”. We all know that business is oil.

2. Bankers love war and here’s Billy Bob the “patriot” willing to make more profits for unethical bankers.

Anyone with a modicum of common sense knows that Kuwait was about oil and profit for bankers.

It wasn’t about national security because Trump has proven that the USA can produce our own oil, right here on American soil.

Billy Bob left communist Vietnam, only to come to the USA and support Rothschild bankers and their Globalist allies plot to destroy our sovereignty.

Like other liberals Billy Bob will claim high deficits and debts don’t matter.

Billy will now claim he isn’t a liberal. Well you sure as heck aren’t a real Conservative either Billy!

A real Conservative is like Ron Paul who wanted to audit the Fed and keep the USA out of the Middle East.

And CANCEL all aid to Israel. Israel has an effective wall and their citizens get free medical and free University.

In Billy Bob’s bizarro World Socialism for Israel is okay as long as US citizens don’t get it. In the Bizzaro World of BillyB 10 Million a day to fund a welfare nation is fine and dandy!

Just don’t offer any such perks to actual Americans!  :ROFL:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Wiz on January 06, 2020, 10:09:40 PM
Confed, Mobster and Wiz - you are all GUILTY of giving aid and Comfort to our (Allies) ENEMIES... 

Oh and it is rich listening to a Greek enjoying the freedoms of the Bloody UK Empire that were purchased with the real BLOOD of hundreds of thousands USA patriots including my relatives just 80 short years ago.

Go bugger your treasonous selves off in a Conga Line Circle jerk you seem to be so fond of.

Might as well deal with Iran, China and add the EU traitors to the list of our enemies at the same time and just get it over with.  Economic War, Cyber War, Space War would be good practice for our lads.

Tested in Japan and now READY for IRAN.

Best buy yourselves some radiation filtering breathing masks and iodine for your thyroids as you are likely to need them sooner than later.

Pity because you gave away the fact ( I new long time ago) that the top floor of your tall building .....  it's empty since you were posting that Crap about certain investments etc. Have you failed to notice that all of us, brainless lot, ignored you at the time?

Did you failed to notice that there is No more British Empire but a free country who is still going on and it is able to welcome immigrants that keep the old engine going despite the "excellent advice" given to our politicians from your side of the Pont?

Are you aware to the fact that if it wasn't for the European Immigrants.... today you would not have, a dying very soon, Empire? At least the British Empire lasted for many centuries where yours it's less than 70 years old and going down hill very fast! Haven't you noticed who is running your country and pooling you to the ground and soon you will not be an Empire anymore? 

Just for your information are the same people who have been milking your Country since becoming an independent country, from the British Rule. But you still have a "special relation" with the Britts, because you need their early warnings and their worldwide accurate intelligence.

The fact is that despite the long experience under British Rule you have learned nothing.

Now you have a proxy Mafia/Jewish President, acting like a bull in a china shop.... and you cannot see further from your nose as you have very short memory.

May I remind you of what happened with the Iranians and your Embassy in Tehran,  helicopter etc and now your clever President goes and kills their top army leader.....in Iraq?

Have you not noticed that the Jews do not enter Syria anymore to bomb Iranian military camps?
Last time they did bombed an empty, deliberately by the Iranians camp, their S300 collected all the codes from the US/NATO used bombs, pass them to the Russians  who calibrated teh S-300 and S-400 in Syria and Putin warned NetaYahoo..... and No more Football in Syria by the Israelis.

Did you forget how the Iranians via their proxies "houthis fighters", they almost destroyed your Saudi Aramco oil production ?

What about teh North Korea Kim Jong-un who doesn't give a shit about your President? No Sanctions OFF Usa ... No Play!

What about your Turkish/Nato ally Ertogan? You have attacked and devalued his Lira but he still bought the S-400 from Russia and told you that He does not want your F-35 ......and is talking to French president Macron?

After all the sanctions and attacks in the China economy and also organising a Colour Revolution
in Honk Kong did you see the CHina president Chi shouting and screaming?

May I remind you that  US/Russia meeting in Finland and also the NorthStreem No 2?

It appears that Vladimir Putin is holding your Bull ... President Tramp not by the Horns but By the balls and despite the sanctions of the company who was laying the Pipe......the Russians will finish it with a small delay, after completing the Purch of the Boat...... etc.

When you wake up from your bad Dream.... we can talk again, if you are Polite!

(http://www.yannis.me.uk/PHOTOS/E/Emotikons_RUA/bullshit.jpg)

 tiphat











Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 06, 2020, 10:32:59 PM
1. Billy Bob was gonna fight for Kuwait, because “business”. We all know that business is oil.


Ah, more conspiracy theories! Please don't talk about them to the next girl you'll date otherwise you won't get a 2nd date.

America has interest in Kuwait because Kuwait has value. That value is oil and strategic location. Keeping Middle East peace is good for America's economy. Saudi Arabia had interest in Kuwait because they were next if kicking Iraq out didn't happen. Individuals join the military for various reasons. Some want to help Kuwait. Some want to serve their country. Some needed a job. Some chose the military over jail when the judge offered a choice. Others joined for the opportunity to legally kill another human. Most do not join the military for the  :censored: ing oil like you've assumed.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on January 07, 2020, 12:51:26 AM
'O'bama' got concenus on climate change and a deal to ensure Iran did not invest in nuclear weapons..

Obama gave China and India a pass on climate change till when? 2050?
It was a STUPID and expensive agreement that killed business and the
US competitive advantage.

The reason that so many Americans were on food stamps under Obama
was because of stupid things he did to hurt our economy. The Paris Climate
debacle was an excellent example on how NOT to do things.

Beel, Beel, Beel,

'O'Bama' oversaw increasing unemployment and an expanding economy which 'Trampu' inherited ..


Personally, I don't think either influence / influenced the economy which is on a rebound.

Both the climate deal and the Nuke deal were SOUND..  MANY advisers quit giving their ear to 'Trampu' over his STUPIDITY







Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on January 07, 2020, 12:57:24 AM
Confed, Mobster and Wiz - you are all GUILTY of giving aid and Comfort to our (Allies) ENEMIES... 

 :GOUK: :RUS: :GOAUSSIE: :NETH:..just a few of the flags that I could find ..that backed the Iran Nuke deal..and 'Trampu' has sought to ensure a cash-strapped Iran  - short of options and recently deeply unpopular found a 'theme' to rally around..

The idea was to bring Iran and her moderate - less religious intelligentsia to govt, [snip]!


Come on Mikey, Better you sek that wide hipped child-bearing hipped lady you'e long sought to breed  , before you're incapacitated with old age ;)


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 07, 2020, 10:13:46 AM
1. Billy Bob was gonna fight for Kuwait, because “business”. We all know that business is oil.


Ah, more conspiracy theories! Please don't talk about them to the next girl you'll date otherwise you won't get a 2nd date.

America has interest in Kuwait because Kuwait has value. That value is oil and strategic location. Keeping Middle East peace is good for America's economy. Saudi Arabia had interest in Kuwait because they were next if kicking Iraq out didn't happen. Individuals join the military for various reasons. Some want to help Kuwait. Some want to serve their country. Some needed a job. Some chose the military over jail when the judge offered a choice. Others joined for the opportunity to legally kill another human. Most do not join the military for the  :censored: ing oil like you've assumed.


BillyB I’m going to start calling you the American Moby!

You just claimed my assertion you were going to fight in Kuwait for oil is a conspiracy theory, then you turn around and admit that Kuwait’s value to the USA is oil and location!  :laugh:

Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on January 07, 2020, 10:40:53 AM

Beel, Beel, Beel,

'O'Bama' oversaw increasing unemployment and an expanding economy
which 'Trampu' inherited ..

Obama had a fed which pumped trillions into the economy and
held rates near zero for his entire presidency. Trump reversed
EVERY single Obama platitude and the economy took off.



Personally, I don't think either

We know

Both the climate deal and the Nuke deal SMELLED..

Wrong sense, I fixed it for you
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 07, 2020, 11:16:59 AM
BillyB I’m going to start calling you the American Moby!


You should label yourself the American Moby. Like him you don't make sense. Like him you don't even know you don't make sense. Maybe you can try to explain how most individuals sign up for the military because they're interested in taking another country's oil. Please try to make sense.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 07, 2020, 12:11:21 PM
Hey Billy if the USA was a smaller country and we were invaded by a larger more powerful country, with a much more powerful Army and especially Air Force, would you fight back?


With the life USA provides me and my family, yes I'd fight back to preserve our way of life. I'd even fight for others when not required. When Kuwait was invaded in 1990, I joined the Army to go help Kuwaitis get their country back. I didn't do it for the oil or because some Jew asked me to.



That’s what you think. Just because you’re not smart enough to figure it out doesn’t mean it isn’t so.


Poor Billy, clueless as ever.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: shakespear on January 07, 2020, 01:36:22 PM
Some chose the military over jail when the judge offered a choice. 

While common in the 1950's and 1960's, I don't believe that "option" has been available for at least the last 40 years.   
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 07, 2020, 01:49:56 PM
Some chose the military over jail when the judge offered a choice. 

While common in the 1950's and 1960's, I don't believe that "option" has been available for at least the last 40 years.

I had a Southern roommate in the Army. He claimed he got caught running drugs and was given the option by the judge to go to prison or join the Army. That was in the 80’s.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 07, 2020, 02:41:08 PM
Mar-a-lago incident.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/news/local/article239028168.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 07, 2020, 02:53:47 PM
Far be it from me to claim expertise, but here's an authoritative set of sources that tell me you were taken in by a big mouthed runt who was trying and succeeding in impressing an impressionable cohort colleague.
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/join-the-military-or-go-to-jail-3354033

Of course the rules might've changed but after Vietnam, who'd be wanting a military filled out with crims imposed upon the armed forces? Seems to me they'd want to make the recruiting choices, not some judge or prosecutor.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 07, 2020, 03:01:04 PM
But yes, interesting the way Billy slices 'reality'. Of course, like all of us needs to avoid the stress of cognitive dissonance so he needs to fight the battle of the differences.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 07, 2020, 03:12:53 PM
Far be it from me to claim expertise, but here's an authoritative set of sources that tell me you were taken in by a big mouthed runt who was trying and succeeding in impressing an impressionable cohort colleague.
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/join-the-military-or-go-to-jail-3354033

Of course the rules might've changed but after Vietnam, who'd be wanting a military filled out with crims imposed upon the armed forces? Seems to me they'd want to make the recruiting choices, not some judge or prosecutor.

He wasn’t a runt, he was a very cool cat. The practice was definitely on the decline. It’s possible he was lying but I doubt it.

He told me he grew up with band members of Lynyrd Skynyrd and when I said prove it he had the photos of him with them to prove it. He had a significant number of photos with him and the band because he became a roadie for them.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 07, 2020, 03:23:42 PM
But yes, interesting the way Billy slices 'reality'. Of course, like all of us needs to avoid the stress of cognitive dissonance so he needs to fight the battle of the differences.

I was probably too aggressive in presenting my opinions and for that I do apologize to Billy.

Like Millions of Americans he doesn’t realize how elaborate and effective the machinations of the war lobby and the complicit media really are.

I’ve got to speak my conscience though...
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: shakespear on January 07, 2020, 03:26:34 PM
Far be it from me to claim expertise, but here's an authoritative set of sources that tell me you were taken in by a big mouthed runt who was trying and succeeding in impressing an impressionable cohort colleague.
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/join-the-military-or-go-to-jail-3354033

Of course the rules might've changed but after Vietnam, who'd be wanting a military filled out with crims imposed upon the armed forces? Seems to me they'd want to make the recruiting choices, not some judge or prosecutor.

Dead on FiFi.

The various services are pretty damn picky when it comes to accepting new recruits - especially when it comes to experimentation of drug use.  The certainly don't want any juvenile delinquents - people who are unfit to accept authority.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: yankee on January 07, 2020, 05:21:07 PM
Far be it from me to claim expertise, but here's an authoritative set of sources that tell me you were taken in by a big mouthed runt who was trying and succeeding in impressing an impressionable cohort colleague.
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/join-the-military-or-go-to-jail-3354033

Of course the rules might've changed but after Vietnam, who'd be wanting a military filled out with crims imposed upon the armed forces? Seems to me they'd want to make the recruiting choices, not some judge or prosecutor.

Dead on FiFi.

The various services are pretty damn picky when it comes to accepting new recruits - especially when it comes to experimentation of drug use.  The certainly don't want any juvenile delinquents - people who are unfit to accept authority.


when I served on the USS Randolph (CVS 15) one of my buddies was given the choice of jail or service.  He later was kicked out of the Navy on a section 8 charge.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 07, 2020, 05:56:17 PM
Far be it from me to claim expertise, but here's an authoritative set of sources that tell me you were taken in by a big mouthed runt who was trying and succeeding in impressing an impressionable cohort colleague.
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/join-the-military-or-go-to-jail-3354033

Of course the rules might've changed but after Vietnam, who'd be wanting a military filled out with crims imposed upon the armed forces? Seems to me they'd want to make the recruiting choices, not some judge or prosecutor.

Dead on FiFi.

The various services are pretty damn picky when it comes to accepting new recruits - especially when it comes to experimentation of drug use.  The certainly don't want any juvenile delinquents - people who are unfit to accept authority.


when I served on the USS Randolph (CVS 15) one of my buddies was given the choice of jail or service.  He later was kicked out of the Navy on a section 8 charge.


Did you participate in the Cuban missile crisis or assist in recovery of one of the astronauts?


“In the summer of 1962, Randolph again steamed to the Mediterranean. Returning to the western Atlantic as the Cuban Missile Crisis broke, she operated in the Caribbean from the end of October through November.[1] On 27 October, Randolph and a group of eleven United States Navy destroyers entrapped a nuclear-armed Soviet Foxtrot-class submarine B-59 near Cuba and started dropping practice depth charges, explosives intended to force the submarine to come to the surface for identification. Allegedly, the captain of the submarine, Valentin Grigorievitch Savitsky, believing that a war might already have started, prepared to launch a retaliatory nuclear-tipped torpedo, but Second Captain Vasily Arkhipov persuaded the captain to surface to await orders from Moscow.”[3][4][5][6]

Wiki

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on January 07, 2020, 06:24:15 PM
Well this is sure to set the  US pacifists and UK traitors against crown and country Wizzoff and Mobsters arse hairs on fire ... Global markets in panic Tonite as a rush to quality/safety as all the millennials and zoomers try to avoid the new WWWlll draft... Pussies all in panic mode... Since Iran about to Dev nukes we needed a pretext to take them out before Mafiosi Pelosi pulls any more cuuunt stunts... Just saying.

Tested in Japan and ready for Iran...

https://www.foxnews.com/world/missile-attacks-target-us-forces-in-iraq-senior-military-source-says-iran-suspected
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 07, 2020, 07:14:26 PM
Well this is sure to set the  US pacifists and UK traitors against crown and country Wizzoff and Mobsters arse hairs on fire ... Global markets in panic Tonite as a rush to quality/safety as all the millennials and zoomers try to avoid the new WWWlll draft... Pussies all in panic mode... Since Iran about to Dev nukes we needed a pretext to take them out before Mafiosi Pelosi pulls any more cuuunt stunts... Just saying.

Tested in Japan and ready for Iran...

https://www.foxnews.com/world/missile-attacks-target-us-forces-in-iraq-senior-military-source-says-iran-suspected

Word is that these missiles were deliberately sent off target so as to not cause any real damage. A face saving exercise for Iran. Lots of Iranian propaganda. Hopefully won’t amount to much.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 07, 2020, 07:34:14 PM
Some chose the military over jail when the judge offered a choice. 

While common in the 1950's and 1960's, I don't believe that "option" has been available for at least the last 40 years.

I was in the Army early to mid 90's and knew a guy who chose military service over jail.

The practice is in decline because the military needs smart people to operate sophisticated weapons these days and they have downsized significantly during the Clinton years. They can be choosy today. There are waivers for felons and soon to be felons though.

Here's a 2006 article in the link below. Civilian judges and prosecutors can do what they want and don't know or don't care about the military rules that Andrew posted above. Guy hits a woman. No major crime but he can go to jail for that. He also has ambitions to join the military. Judge goes and tells him to sign up for the military to avoid jail. If pending criminal charges prevent the guy from joining the service, should he tell a recruiter the truth, the judge and prosecutor can simply drop the charges to help the guy out. Also the judge can pick up the phone, call the local head recruiter and request a waiver. The military usually goes out of their way to try to please the community.

https://www.stripes.com/news/judge-said-army-or-jail-but-military-doesn-t-want-him-1.44417
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 07, 2020, 09:00:29 PM
Billy must've gone to Zoolander's School For Kids Who Can't Read Too Good.

The interesting link you shared starts with a quote from the army:
Quote
‘Not taking jailbirds has been our policy for decades’
https://www.stripes.com/news/judge-said-army-or-jail-but-military-doesn-t-want-him-1.44417

The link you used to support your case does nothing of the kind. Are you so lazy that you can't be arsed to read the links you expect us to read?

If you're going to have a discussion and want to make a point please, at the least, be active enough to post a link supporting your argument.

This was just childlike.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on January 07, 2020, 09:20:05 PM
Wizzz... You Greek Anarchist Communist Wackofff... Your judgement is so clouded  by your raging anti semitic Jew hatred Trump hatred and USA hatred it has blinded you.  I have met many good patriotic UK lads when I worked in Warrington who actually served Crown and Country along side USA Patriots.  You are not fit to shine their boots... As for disparaging me and my efforts to share advanced markets knowledge with some of the Good Men on RUA... You dumb as a box of rocks bigot... My stealth advisor generated $800 Million USD in incremental profits in 2019 for his institution and I am putting the final t and i's on my AI ML fintech plan after two years of dedicated EOW studies with him which is why I have been scarce on RUA plus you and Mobsters treason makes me want to vomit.

As for your shiteing on the USA military and our imperfect patriot CiC your feeble mind is incapable of comprehending that our technology is 100 years ahead of our enemies...

Google https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon

Read it all and view his YouTube and Amazon Prime videos and then get half a clue why CiC Trump just created a 6th Branch of the Military the US Space Force.

Then Google YouTube videos of the TR3B and TR3E old 1990s tech and go watch some Star Wars and Star Trek movies and ask yourself just how advanced are those damn Yanks in 2020... The Iranians and NoKors have no idea what the are phocking with... They are like a rabid raccoon with brain disease that just bit a feeding giant Brown Bear... I guarantee you and all the hand wringing pacifist purse puppies coward Communist sympaticos... The next war in the Mid East will not be a protracted ground war... Our tech war fighting capability is leagues ahead of our enemies and multiple corrective interviews are long overdue.

Bottom line is you do not have to be a perfect person to be a perfect patriot so God save Donald J. Trump and PM Boris Johnson our imperfect Ally.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Wiz on January 07, 2020, 11:00:51 PM
Wizzz... You Greek Anarchist Communist Wackofff... Your judgement is so clouded  by your raging anti semitic Jew hatred Trump hatred and USA hatred it has blinded you. 

You  have definitely escaped the asylum..... and for your own good I hope the Medicals and Doctors get hold of you and help manage your delium, pot enhanced state of mind.

Can anybody give him ..... a banana to calm him own PLEASE.

 :nod: :ROFL:


Just FOR THE BENEFIT OF  EVERYBODY to read and assess your state of mind..... I leave his ranting unattached so everybody can benefit of your verbal diarrhea.!

I have met many good patriotic UK lads when I worked in Warrington who actually served Crown and Country along side USA Patriots.  You are not fit to shine their boots... As for disparaging me and my efforts to share advanced markets knowledge with some of the Good Men on RUA... You dumb as a box of rocks bigot... My stealth advisor generated $800 Million USD in incremental profits in 2019 for his institution and I am putting the final t and i's on my AI ML fintech plan after two years of dedicated EOW studies with him which is why I have been scarce on RUA plus you and Mobsters treason makes me want to vomit.

As for your shiteing on the USA military and our imperfect patriot CiC your feeble mind is incapable of comprehending that our technology is 100 years ahead of our enemies...

Google https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon

Read it all and view his YouTube and Amazon Prime videos and then get half a clue why CiC Trump just created a 6th Branch of the Military the US Space Force.

Then Google YouTube videos of the TR3B and TR3E old 1990s tech and go watch some Star Wars and Star Trek movies and ask yourself just how advanced are those damn Yanks in 2020... The Iranians and NoKors have no idea what the are phocking with... They are like a rabid raccoon with brain disease that just bit a feeding giant Brown Bear... I guarantee you and all the hand wringing pacifist purse puppies coward Communist sympaticos... The next war in the Mid East will not be a protracted ground war... Our tech war fighting capability is leagues ahead of our enemies and multiple corrective interviews are long overdue.

Bottom line is you do not have to be a perfect person to be a perfect patriot so God save Donald J. Trump and PM Boris Johnson our imperfect Ally.

GOD SAVE AMERICA FROM TRAMP

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D-qqqJfW4AEPvA6.jpg)


 tiphat
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 08, 2020, 12:06:14 AM
Are you so lazy that you can't be arsed to read the links you expect us to read?


It seems you have comprehension issues or too lazy to read the article. Article said “The judge is willing to give him a conditional discharge,” so he doesn't have a pending criminal case against him so he can qualify for the army. Fact is modern day judges are still willing to give options to troublemakers.

Waivers are available for bad boys. I've heard lots of stories from lots of soldiers about their past. Many were troublemakers yet they got in the military and cleaned up their act.

https://www.thebalancecareers.com/criminal-history-waivers-3354314

Here's people talking about going to jail or army and successfully getting in the Army. This stuff happens regardless of what you read pertaining to Army regulations that they don't want proven troublemakers or those currently in the court system.

https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/40397/was-it-ever-possible-to-join-the-us-military-instead-of-going-to-prison-for-a-cr
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 09, 2020, 12:29:39 PM
Are you so lazy that you can't be arsed to read the links you expect us to read?


It seems you have comprehension issues or too lazy to read the article. Article said “The judge is willing to give him a conditional discharge,” so he doesn't have a pending criminal case against him so he can qualify for the army. Fact is modern day judges are still willing to give options to troublemakers.

Waivers are available for bad boys. I've heard lots of stories from lots of soldiers about their past. Many were troublemakers yet they got in the military and cleaned up their act.

https://www.thebalancecareers.com/criminal-history-waivers-3354314

Here's people talking about going to jail or army and successfully getting in the Army. This stuff happens regardless of what you read pertaining to Army regulations that they don't want proven troublemakers or those currently in the court system.

https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/40397/was-it-ever-possible-to-join-the-us-military-instead-of-going-to-prison-for-a-cr

I agree with Billy, judges still circumvent military regs.

I also agree with Shakespeare, the military wants higher standards.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Steveboy on January 10, 2020, 01:28:46 AM
I used to like Trump... Unfortunately he is just like every other US president a lying cheating hypercritical cock nothing more....
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on January 10, 2020, 10:08:41 AM
I used to like Trump... Unfortunately he is just like every other US president a lying cheating hypercritical cock nothing more....

All politicians of every stripe can be described as such.
Don't fall in love with any of them, they will always let
you down.

oxymoron example: Honest politician

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 10, 2020, 11:41:41 AM
Billy, projection is a simple minded trick and an unforced error.

Don't try to make stuff up to avoid being in the wrong. Be a man. Own your errors. Learn from them. Grow.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 10, 2020, 12:00:29 PM
Don't try to make stuff up to avoid being in the wrong.


So rules to not allow criminals and those on criminal trial into the military are real and the waivers the military offers to criminals are not real? You stated a fact. I stated a fact. Try to deal with all facts, not just your own.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on January 10, 2020, 03:19:20 PM
^^^ The Wizzbanger psycho proves once again that the UK's immigration laws are a bigger cluster phock than the Democrat Socialist Communist looney leftists party broken immigration policies in the USA.  You should apply for an NGO job with your idol George Soros.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Wiz on January 11, 2020, 02:08:43 PM
^^^ The Wizzbanger psycho proves once again that the UK's immigration laws are a bigger cluster phock than the Democrat Socialist Communist looney leftists party broken immigration policies in the USA.  You should apply for an NGO job with your idol George Soros.

That is what happens to people .....like you .... when you escape your normal place of existance ......


and don't have one like this to keep you/them sane.........

I think people should share love to feel like a complete person. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2uTFF_3MaA)

 :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on January 17, 2020, 05:48:47 AM
Whilst  I find certain cousins across the pond amusing re their blind support for 'Trampu' - I find it ironic to see Wiz suggesting 'sanity' issues ;)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on January 17, 2020, 01:24:40 PM
I find it ironic to see Wiz suggesting 'sanity' issues

Peas in a pod you and him. He is you in 20 years.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on January 18, 2020, 01:53:38 PM
I hereby nominate Manny's voice of reason and sanity post for post of the week!
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on January 19, 2020, 11:47:38 AM
GIF of the Dem's delivering the articles of impeachment to the Senate.

(http://thumbs.gfycat.com/SleepyExcitableAzurewingedmagpie-size_restricted.gif)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on January 22, 2020, 03:43:44 AM
I find it ironic to see Wiz suggesting 'sanity' issues

Peas in a pod you and him. He is you in 20 years.


He is less than 20 years older  and in the 16+ years Wiz has tried to enter my orbit  the most classic comment was from N in Minsk.. Not the exact words .. "Who IS this creepy old man and why is he still trying to interfere when his 'help' is unwanted ?"

Wiz was a basket case back then - hence the irony comment ..

But then you've been a 'fan' of Trampu's' and have seen the light !
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on January 26, 2020, 04:11:33 PM
Rudy dropped a Bomb on Biden:

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/01/25/rudy-giuliani-joe-biden-is-a-crook-if-we-cant-prosecute-him-we-do-not-have-justice-in-america/

BREITBART

Rudy Giuliani: ‘Joe Biden Is a Crook’ — ‘If We Can’t Prosecute Him, We Do Not Have Justice in America’

JEFF POOR 25 Jan 2020 2:42
Saturday during an appearance on the Fox News Channel, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who is presently serving a personal legal counsel for President Donald Trump, responded to an attack from House Judiciary Committee chairman and fellow New Yorker Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-NY) during the Senate impeachment trial.

According to Giuliani, an investigation into former Vice President Joe Biden, regardless of his Democratic presidential candidacy, was warranted, given Biden was a “crook.”

Partial transcript as follows:

PIRRO: OK, Rudy, you heard Nadler. He is a long-time New York Congressman.

GIULIANI: Yes, yes.

PIRRO: You know him well from your New York days.

GIULIANI: Yes, a long-time hack.

PIRRO: He claims you wanted Ukraine to announce the investigation.

GIULIANI: Yes, basic long-time New York hack.

PIRRO: Talk to me, and he says it personally benefited you.

GIULIANI: Yes, I wanted them to investigate. Yes, I wanted them to investigate it because it would help to exculpate my client. It had nothing to do with digging up dirt on Biden.

It was handed to me in November of 2018. The Biden family pulled somewhere between $8 million and $20 million out of Ukraine, totally corruptly. Biden was involved in two massive bribes. Zlochevsky bribed him. He bribed Poroshenko. He disgraced the United States of America. And Nadler should be ashamed for covering up for him.

He also did the same thing, by the way, Biden did in Iraq where he was point man and his brother got a piece of it, $1.5 billion housing project. And he did the same thing in China when he was point man. And the kid got a $1.5 billion investment from China in a hedge fund for himself, Kerry’s kid and Whitey Bulger’s nephew.

Biden is so dirty that you and I would have had him indicted six months ago. And Nadler is doing what a hack Democrat usually does. He’s covering up for a crook.

I don’t care if he was Vice President. I don’t care if he’s running for President of the United States. I’ll say it straight out, Joe Biden is a crook. And he sold out the United States of America in Iraq, in Ukraine, in China, and if we can’t prosecute him, we do not have justice in America.


###
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on January 26, 2020, 05:18:04 PM
 Ever since the whole Ukraine story broke I wondered how the Dems felt they could ever get an impeachment out of such a weak case, and why they were making such a big deal out of what Trump did after Biden was actually on record of doing a quid pro quo when he got the Ukrainian prosecutor fired before he released funds to them.  Covering up for one of their own makes more sense.

 It's going to be interesting to see where this goes... Biden and his family made millions not just in Ukraine but also Iraq and China... will he really become a Presidential contender with all those skeletons in his closet? Trump will have a field day exposing all of that to the public if he gets nominated.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 26, 2020, 08:11:27 PM
Ever since the whole Ukraine story broke I wondered how the Dems felt they could ever get an impeachment out of such a weak case, and why they were making such a big deal out of what Trump did after Biden was actually on record of doing a quid pro quo when he got the Ukrainian prosecutor fired before he released funds to them.  Covering up for one of their own makes more sense.

 It's going to be interesting to see where this goes... Biden and his family made millions not just in Ukraine but also Iraq and China... will he really become a Presidential contender with all those skeletons in his closet? Trump will have a field day exposing all of that to the public if he gets nominated.

I agree 100% that the impeachment effort is really an effort to deflect away from Biden’s crimes; a coverup of sorts.

They’re nearly all crooks. If I had my way Bush Jr and both Clinton’s would die by firing squads for treason. Biden would go to prison for a few.  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on January 27, 2020, 07:43:04 AM
Cornfed

IF the US wants to investigate the Biden's why hasn't it happened ?

Leaning on a nation - holding out on promised aid is prescribed - simples...   'Trampu' mused his power - it's quite clear..


WHY do folks not see this a  huge fail on 'Trampu's part ... ?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: shakespear on January 27, 2020, 02:12:58 PM

They’re nearly all crooks. If I had my way Bush Jr and both Clinton’s would die by firing squads for treason. Biden would go to prison for a few.  :coffeeread:

Er, um Cornfed, at the federal level firing squads are reserved for the military only.  Lethal injection is the prescribed method by federal law,  the last on being in 2003.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on January 28, 2020, 11:48:15 AM
Cornfed

IF the US wants to investigate the Biden's why hasn't it happened ?


 It is happening, look at Cuffy's link above


Leaning on a nation - holding out on promised aid is prescribed - simples...   'Trampu' mused his power - it's quite clear..


WHY do folks not see this a  huge fail on 'Trampu's part ... ?


 Trump was investigating corruption in Ukraine right from when he first got into power in 2016. He even had a meeting with Poroshenko in June 2017 to talk about it. All this did not start with the aid given last year.
 
Is anyone foolish enough to think that Burisma was paying Hunter Biden out of their pocket just so that Joe Biden would give the aid to Ukraine when he was vice president? Of course not, they were getting a piece of the pie and paying him out of it. In essence, the Bidens were skimming off the US aid for themselves. Hunter would have never been with Burisma if the US did not give that aid.

 You try to say this is a big fail on Trump's part, where in all actuality he was being responsible and trying to stop crooked Democratic and Ukrainian politicians from scamming the US taxpayer. Thus we have this flimsy attempt from the Dems to try to impeach him... to try to cover for one of their own and not have him take away their cash cow, and try to deflect from letting the people see how corrupt he is. Some people are just too stupid to see it.

 

Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on January 28, 2020, 12:15:58 PM
IF the US wants to investigate the Biden's why hasn't it happened ?

All the evidence is overseas in Ukraine, China and elsewhere.
The best way to get it is by asking for it (like Trump did).

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 28, 2020, 01:35:03 PM
Doing what Trump did, in concert with other activities, by others before and since is the very definition of an investigation.
 :'(
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 28, 2020, 02:22:40 PM
Cornfed

IF the US wants to investigate the Biden's why hasn't it happened ?


 It is happening, look at Cuffy's link above


Leaning on a nation - holding out on promised aid is prescribed - simples...   'Trampu' mused his power - it's quite clear..


WHY do folks not see this a  huge fail on 'Trampu's part ... ?


 Trump was investigating corruption in Ukraine right from when he first got into power in 2016. He even had a meeting with Poroshenko in June 2017 to talk about it. All this did not start with the aid given last year.
 
Is anyone foolish enough to think that Burisma was paying Hunter Biden out of their pocket just so that Joe Biden would give the aid to Ukraine when he was vice president? Of course not, they were getting a piece of the pie and paying him out of it. In essence, the Bidens were skimming off the US aid for themselves. Hunter would have never been with Burisma if the US did not give that aid.

 You try to say this is a big fail on Trump's part, where in all actuality he was being responsible and trying to stop crooked Democratic and Ukrainian politicians from scamming the US taxpayer. Thus we have this flimsy attempt from the Dems to try to impeach him... to try to cover for one of their own and not have him take away their cash cow, and try to deflect from letting the people see how corrupt he is. Some people are just too stupid to see it.

Outstanding summary. Moby fits your last statement to a T!  :laugh:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on January 28, 2020, 11:09:30 PM


 Trump was investigating corruption in Ukraine right from when he first got into power in 2016. He even had a meeting with Poroshenko in June 2017 to talk about it. All this did not start with the aid given last year.
 
Is anyone foolish enough to think that Burisma was paying Hunter Biden out of their pocket just so that Joe Biden would give the aid to Ukraine when he was vice president? Of course not, they were getting a piece of the pie and paying him out of it. In essence, the Bidens were skimming off the US aid for themselves. Hunter would have never been with Burisma if the US did not give that aid.

 You try to say this is a big fail on Trump's part, where in all actuality he was being responsible and trying to stop crooked Democratic and Ukrainian politicians from scamming the US taxpayer. Thus we have this flimsy attempt from the Dems to try to impeach him... to try to cover for one of their own and not have him take away their cash cow, and try to deflect from letting the people see how corrupt he is. Some people are just too stupid to see it.


Too stupid to see who lies AT LOT, more like..

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/ (https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/)

Once again, 'Trampu' HAS misused the office of President - but only because of who controls the Senate - he'll get a free pass...

Both families ( Trump and Biden's ) have used political office to their own ends .. but there are better and legal ways to prove that..




Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on January 29, 2020, 03:29:57 PM
^ Since you insist on disrespecting the Commander in Chief with Trampu I will just have to assign you a more appropriate moniker from now on; Mobgina.  Basically a more virulent whining form of Mangina.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on January 29, 2020, 05:27:37 PM


 Trump was investigating corruption in Ukraine right from when he first got into power in 2016. He even had a meeting with Poroshenko in June 2017 to talk about it. All this did not start with the aid given last year.
 
Is anyone foolish enough to think that Burisma was paying Hunter Biden out of their pocket just so that Joe Biden would give the aid to Ukraine when he was vice president? Of course not, they were getting a piece of the pie and paying him out of it. In essence, the Bidens were skimming off the US aid for themselves. Hunter would have never been with Burisma if the US did not give that aid.

 You try to say this is a big fail on Trump's part, where in all actuality he was being responsible and trying to stop crooked Democratic and Ukrainian politicians from scamming the US taxpayer. Thus we have this flimsy attempt from the Dems to try to impeach him... to try to cover for one of their own and not have him take away their cash cow, and try to deflect from letting the people see how corrupt he is. Some people are just too stupid to see it.


Too stupid to see who lies AT LOT, more like..

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/ (https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/)

All politicians lie, are you too stupid to realize that too? Further more he is arrogant, uncouth and I probably wouldn't be able to stand being around him too long if I ever met him. Which makes me surprised that you hate him so much... you two are so much alike! Except for that he is a successful businessman who doesn't have to bum money off retirees and sleep on their couches!   :chuckle:

Once again, 'Trampu' HAS misused the office of President - but only because of who controls the Senate - he'll get a free pass...

Both families ( Trump and Biden's ) have used political office to their own ends .. but there are better and legal ways to prove that..


 How did he abuse his power? By investigating a political rival like the Dems are trying to say? If you would bother to watch the trial you will see that the Bidens were getting investigated in 2018 already, way before Joe announced his bid to run for the Presidency. He wasn't even a political rival yet when the investigation started, the timelines prove it. And even if he did start investigating him after he announced his candidacy it still isn't an impeachable offense, or abuse of authority. THAT is why he will get off... the Dems argument to try to protect their crooked member is flawed

 And how did Trump use his office to his own ends?

 By not taking the  $400,000.00 per year wage the President gets? Surely he would take that if he was just out for himself!
 By giving all US residents tax breaks? Putting about 5,000 per year back into the average person's pocket?
 By boosting the stock market to record highs, adding to everyone's 401 retirement funds?
 By giving the US record lowest ever unemployment stats due to his policies?

 Tell us Sherlock, how is he using the office for his own ends? We are waiting. Not like Biden who has scammed the US tax payers of their hard earned money by dipping into the aid packages meant for other countries. Back up your words for once instead of throwing out baseless accusations

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 29, 2020, 06:01:39 PM

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/ (https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/)


Politifact, like most fact checking truth o meter sites are owned by anti Trump newspapers and organizations. They have an agenda and you're drinking their Kool Aid.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on January 29, 2020, 06:34:01 PM


All politicians lie, are you too stupid to realize that too?

Not so certain they do... but let's not stray from the chap who forms the subject of this thread...His tweets / brainfarts are approaching legend status...

It is noted you did not disagree with any examples quoted.


Further more he is arrogant, uncouth and I probably wouldn't be able to stand being around him too long if I ever met him. Which makes me surprised that you hate him so much... you two are so much alike!

Ah yes, I, too was born into money and have stuffed folks/ banks for millions and have women claiming I've touched them inappropriately...

I certainly do not 'hate' 'trampu' ...he is just a buffoon.. period


 Except for that he is a successful businessman who doesn't have to bum money off retirees and sleep on their couches!   :chuckle:

1/ The 'retiree' asked for 20 Lari from me...money ear marked for the 'care of his lady'...

2/ THAT, in conjunction with your selective memory for 'trampu's not inconsiderable track record for failures where he's left creditors empty handed shows how 'accurate / attentive' you areN'T !

Once again, 'Trampu' HAS misused the office of President - but only because of who controls the Senate - he'll get a free pass...

Both families ( Trump and Biden's ) have used political office to their own ends .. but there are better and legal ways to prove that..



 How did he abuse his power? By investigating a political rival like the Dems are trying to say? If you would bother to watch the trial you will see that the Bidens were getting investigated in 2018 already, way before Joe announced his bid to run for the Presidency. He wasn't even a political rival yet when the investigation started, the timelines prove it. And even if he did start investigating him after he announced his candidacy it still isn't an impeachable offense, or abuse of authority. THAT is why he will get off... the Dems argument to try to protect their crooked member is flawed

 And how did Trump use his office to his own ends?

For someone suggesting non-observance of 'trampu's impeachment hearing, your question seems somewhat 'silly'.. given the charges he faces.


 By not taking the  $400,000.00 per year wage the President gets? Surely he would take that if he was just out for himself!
 By giving all US residents tax breaks? Putting about 5,000 per year back into the average person's pocket?
 By boosting the stock market to record highs, adding to everyone's 401 retirement funds?
 By giving the US record lowest ever unemployment stats due to his policies?


1/ I missed his tax returns being revealed to know much he has drawn from ventures..including the failed ones.

2/ how much his family members draw in their positions in govt. ?

3/ Why do you believe it is 'trampu's policies' that are causing stocks to boom?   Could it not be a continuation of a recovery from 2007/8



Quote from: d672 link=topic=28325.msg504427#msg504427 date=1580344057
 Tell us Sherlock, how is he using the office for his own ends? We are waiting. [/quote


'We?'....))

I am not keeping you waiting for the truth re his dodgy financial past... HE is keeping US citizens in the dark as to his tax returns..



[quote author=d672 link=topic=28325.msg504427#msg504427 date=1580344057
Not like Biden who has scammed the US tax payers of their hard earned money by dipping into the aid packages meant for other countries. Back up your words for once instead of throwing out baseless accusations

Do TRY to keep up..

I think the use of Political office for personal or family gain is repugnant ..

There is a proper way to investigate financial impropriety AND serial filing for Chapter 11 (SIX times)


I will leave you with a classic 'trampu' (BS) 'explanation'..

"I have used the laws of this country just like the greatest people that you read about every day in business have used the laws of this country, the chapter laws, to do a great job for my company, my employees, myself and my family.”

VERY telling...if you are objective ...and one doesn't' even need to be a Sherlock..
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on January 29, 2020, 06:35:51 PM

Politifact, like most fact checking truth o meter sites are owned by anti Trump newspapers and organizations. They have an agenda and you're drinking their Kool Aid.

)))

BillyB.... deal with the points.. not who makes 'em...
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 29, 2020, 06:38:59 PM


 Trump was investigating corruption in Ukraine right from when he first got into power in 2016. He even had a meeting with Poroshenko in June 2017 to talk about it. All this did not start with the aid given last year.
 
Is anyone foolish enough to think that Burisma was paying Hunter Biden out of their pocket just so that Joe Biden would give the aid to Ukraine when he was vice president? Of course not, they were getting a piece of the pie and paying him out of it. In essence, the Bidens were skimming off the US aid for themselves. Hunter would have never been with Burisma if the US did not give that aid.

 You try to say this is a big fail on Trump's part, where in all actuality he was being responsible and trying to stop crooked Democratic and Ukrainian politicians from scamming the US taxpayer. Thus we have this flimsy attempt from the Dems to try to impeach him... to try to cover for one of their own and not have him take away their cash cow, and try to deflect from letting the people see how corrupt he is. Some people are just too stupid to see it.


Too stupid to see who lies AT LOT, more like..

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/ (https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/)

All politicians lie, are you too stupid to realize that too? Further more he is arrogant, uncouth and I probably wouldn't be able to stand being around him too long if I ever met him. Which makes me surprised that you hate him so much... you two are so much alike! Except for that he is a successful businessman who doesn't have to bum money off retirees and sleep on their couches!   :chuckle:

Once again, 'Trampu' HAS misused the office of President - but only because of who controls the Senate - he'll get a free pass...

Both families ( Trump and Biden's ) have used political office to their own ends .. but there are better and legal ways to prove that..


 How did he abuse his power? By investigating a political rival like the Dems are trying to say? If you would bother to watch the trial you will see that the Bidens were getting investigated in 2018 already, way before Joe announced his bid to run for the Presidency. He wasn't even a political rival yet when the investigation started, the timelines prove it. And even if he did start investigating him after he announced his candidacy it still isn't an impeachable offense, or abuse of authority. THAT is why he will get off... the Dems argument to try to protect their crooked member is flawed

 And how did Trump use his office to his own ends?

 By not taking the  $400,000.00 per year wage the President gets? Surely he would take that if he was just out for himself!
 By giving all US residents tax breaks? Putting about 5,000 per year back into the average person's pocket?
 By boosting the stock market to record highs, adding to everyone's 401 retirement funds?
 By giving the US record lowest ever unemployment stats due to his policies?

 Tell us Sherlock, how is he using the office for his own ends? We are waiting. Not like Biden who has scammed the US tax payers of their hard earned money by dipping into the aid packages meant for other countries. Back up your words for once instead of throwing out baseless accusations.

Slam dunk!

 :ROFL:      :ROFL:       :ROFL:       :ROFL:         :ROFL:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on January 30, 2020, 11:40:53 AM


 Trump was investigating corruption in Ukraine right from when he first got into power in 2016. He even had a meeting with Poroshenko in June 2017 to talk about it. All this did not start with the aid given last year.
 
Is anyone foolish enough to think that Burisma was paying Hunter Biden out of their pocket just so that Joe Biden would give the aid to Ukraine when he was vice president? Of course not, they were getting a piece of the pie and paying him out of it. In essence, the Bidens were skimming off the US aid for themselves. Hunter would have never been with Burisma if the US did not give that aid.

 You try to say this is a big fail on Trump's part, where in all actuality he was being responsible and trying to stop crooked Democratic and Ukrainian politicians from scamming the US taxpayer. Thus we have this flimsy attempt from the Dems to try to impeach him... to try to cover for one of their own and not have him take away their cash cow, and try to deflect from letting the people see how corrupt he is. Some people are just too stupid to see it.


Too stupid to see who lies AT LOT, more like..

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/ (https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/)

Once again, 'Trampu' HAS misused the office of President - but only because of who controls the Senate - he'll get a free pass...

Both families ( Trump and Biden's ) have used political office to their own ends .. but there are better and legal ways to prove that..

Moby, the technicalities mean that trump can be investigated and impeached.

However, let’s recap the above because in reality it all makes perfect sense. The US tax payer is getting fleeced by the Bidens and possibly the Democrats, through corruption. Trump, for the sake of the American tax payer, quite rightly smells a rat and demands an investigation. He wants to stop throwing tax payer money at the obvious corrupt dealings yet you and other libtards see trump as the big bad orange man.

Reality - Moby is so narcissistic in his hatred for Trump that he is unable to distinguish true crimes vs a witch hunt. I feel sorry for you.

No doubt if Obomer had done this, you’d be sookin his helmet.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on January 30, 2020, 12:59:32 PM



 Except for that he is a successful businessman who doesn't have to bum money off retirees and sleep on their couches!   :chuckle:

1/ The 'retiree' asked for 20 Lari from me...money ear marked for the 'care of his lady'...


 You bummed money off him on your first trip there when you also slept on his couch. Before the 20 Lari incident. Nice try at the deflection freeloader




 By not taking the  $400,000.00 per year wage the President gets? Surely he would take that if he was just out for himself!
 By giving all US residents tax breaks? Putting about 5,000 per year back into the average person's pocket?
 By boosting the stock market to record highs, adding to everyone's 401 retirement funds?
 By giving the US record lowest ever unemployment stats due to his policies?


1/ I missed his tax returns being revealed to know much he has drawn from ventures..including the failed ones.

2/ how much his family members draw in their positions in govt. ?

3/ Why do you believe it is 'trampu's policies' that are causing stocks to boom?   Could it not be a continuation of a recovery from 2007/8



 As you have experienced yourself, you can be charged with something but not found guilty. Just because the Dems are throwing up a bogus charge for political purposes does not mean it's true, as is being proven right now in the trial. Do you have proof that he did anything illegal? Maybe you should get ahold of Schiff and let him know before it's too late! They are not doing very good right now and could use some help if you are so much more enlightened than the rest of the world!  :chuckle:

 What do his previous tax returns have to do with your claims that he is using his position for his own means? Nothing. He is not breaking the law by not giving them, you could be sure the Dems would go after him about it if he was!

 His family members have been hired legally and are doing the jobs they are paid to do. And not at a rate of 83,000.00 per month like Hunter! Again, the Dems would be sure to go after him if there was something shady about it!

 And yes, the current economic boom the States is going through IS because of Trump, no matter how much you want to deny it. Financial analysts even say so, are you saying you know better than them? The US was expected to go through a recession soon after Trump got in and it never came because of him.



I will leave you with a classic 'trampu' (BS) 'explanation'..

"I have used the laws of this country just like the greatest people that you read about every day in business have used the laws of this country, the chapter laws, to do a great job for my company, my employees, myself and my family.”

VERY telling...if you are objective ...and one doesn't' even need to be a Sherlock..


 How is he wrong? did he do something illegal? No, he used the law to his advantage, used the loopholes just like you did when you brought your wife to England. But it seems that you have double standards, huh? You can use the loopholes in place yet he can't? Him using them should be frowned up but when you do it you have every right to? THAT is what is very telling!



 All these points are just more deflection on your part. ( And not very good ones! ) We get it, you can't back your claims. Just more baseless accusations like I said. Pretty pathetic attempt, even for you Moby




Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 30, 2020, 01:55:26 PM


 Except for that he is a successful businessman who doesn't have to bum money off retirees and sleep on their couches!   :chuckle:

1/ The 'retiree' asked for 20 Lari from me...money ear marked for the 'care of his lady'...


 You bummed money off him on your first trip there when you also slept on his couch. Before the 20 Lari incident. Nice try at the deflection freeloader



 By not taking the  $400,000.00 per year wage the President gets? Surely he would take that if he was just out for himself!
 By giving all US residents tax breaks? Putting about 5,000 per year back into the average person's pocket?
 By boosting the stock market to record highs, adding to everyone's 401 retirement funds?
 By giving the US record lowest ever unemployment stats due to his policies?

1/ I missed his tax returns being revealed to know much he has drawn from ventures..including the failed ones.

2/ how much his family members draw in their positions in govt. ?

3/ Why do you believe it is 'trampu's policies' that are causing stocks to boom?   Could it not be a continuation of a recovery from 2007/8

 As you have experienced yourself, you can be charged with something but not found guilty. Just because the Dems are throwing up a bogus charge for political purposes does not mean it's true, as is being proven right now in the trial. Do you have proof that he did anything illegal? Maybe you should get ahold of Schiff and let him know before it's too late! They are not doing very good right now and could use some help if you are so much more enlightened than the rest of the world!  :chuckle:

 What do his previous tax returns have to do with your claims that he is using his position for his own means? Nothing. He is not breaking the law by not giving them, you could be sure the Dems would go after him about it if he was!

 His family members have been hired legally and are doing the jobs they are paid to do. And not at a rate of 83,000.00 per month like Hunter! Again, the Dems would be sure to go after him if there was something shady about it!

 And yes, the current economic boom the States is going through IS because of Trump, no matter how much you want to deny it. Financial analysts even say so, are you saying you know better than them? The US was expected to go through a recession soon after Trump got in and it never came because of him.


I will leave you with a classic 'trampu' (BS) 'explanation'..

"I have used the laws of this country just like the greatest people that you read about every day in business have used the laws of this country, the chapter laws, to do a great job for my company, my employees, myself and my family.”

VERY telling...if you are objective ...and one doesn't' even need to be a Sherlock..

 How is he wrong? did he do something illegal? No, he used the law to his advantage, used the loopholes just like you did when you brought your wife to England. But it seems that you have double standards, huh? You can use the loopholes in place yet he can't? Him using them should be frowned up but when you do it you have every right to? THAT is what is very telling!

 All these points are just more deflection on your part. ( And not very good ones! ) We get it, you can't back your claims. Just more baseless accusations like I said. Pretty pathetic attempt, even for you Moby

Well summarised.

The great pity is ms refuses to learn from his past. The moaning and groaning is his SOP (Standard Operating Procedure)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on January 30, 2020, 03:57:44 PM


Well summarised.

The great pity is ms refuses to learn from his past. The moaning and groaning is his SOP (Standard Operating Procedure)


 Yeah, we've seen that for years. It's like he enjoys making himself look like a fool. Anything for attention I guess. Sad
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on January 30, 2020, 04:10:20 PM
 I switched the channel over to the impeachment trial for a while today and they moved the cameras over to look at the senators for a few seconds. I can't remember seeing a more bored group of people in a long time, Repubs and Dems both.  Sitting there with blank faces, or talking to each other instead of alertly listening to the answers put forth by the counsellors to their questions.

 Trumps legal team pretty much wrapped up this trial last Saturday when they shot down the Dems weak accusations in a matter of 3-4 hours. Now it seems everyone is just going through the motions and trying to get this over with, probably thinking about what they are going to do this weekend more than anything else

 Sure shows you how (un)serious a matter this is, the Dems hype has fizzled out. What a waste of time.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on January 30, 2020, 05:30:55 PM


Moby, the technicalities mean that trump can be investigated and impeached.

By a Senate controlled by the Republicans ? ;)

You DO realise that no witness statements are going to be heard ?

Again, the Biden's should be investigated.


Reality - Moby is so narcissistic in his hatred for Trump that he is unable to distinguish true crimes vs a witch hunt. I feel sorry for you.

I do not 'hate' 'Trampu' - he is a wack job - he is dangerous and pure entertainment .... esp. those who cannot  / will not see it .... He is truly the epitome of the Emperor's new clothes ...



No doubt if Obomer had done this, you’d be sookin his helmet.

If O'Bama had abused his remit - I am sure he'd be in the same boat ... and rightly so
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Guile on January 30, 2020, 08:33:33 PM
hey Moobichka why do you call him "TrampU"? pretending you can speak Russian again?! ahahah
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Guile on January 30, 2020, 08:41:08 PM
^ Since you insist on disrespecting the Commander in Chief with Trampu I will just have to assign you a more appropriate moniker from now on; Mobgina.  Basically a more virulent whining form of Mangina.

I like calling him Mobichka  :ROFL: 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: shakespear on February 03, 2020, 12:31:13 PM
Well today the "Hawkeye Cauci" begins the 2020 national election. The DOW is currently at 28,544, the S&P is at 3257, unemployment is as record lows for blacks and hispanics, the USA is self sufficient in fossil fuels, new trade deals have made American industry competitive again, we have over 100 new Constitutionalist judges appointed to the federal court system and our military is once again the strongest in the world.

On the other we hand, we have a man in the White House who is a boorish, morally corrupt, obnoxious, rude, ego maniac, with little poise, polish or self control.

Personally, I'm willing to live with the later in order to gain the benefits of the former. I'll probably vote that way next November.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on February 03, 2020, 05:21:33 PM
"You do not have to be a perfect person to be a perfect PATRIOT!"

Official Whitehouse.gov President Trump's achievements: https://www.whitehouse.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/

Communist Freaking Red China's Plan to Undermine the USA and the West:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/FINAL-China-Technology-Report-6.18.18-PDF.pdf

The Naked Communists 45 Goals for the USA:
https://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/watchwomanonthewall/2011/04/the-45-communist-goals-as-read-into-the-congressional-record-1963.html

THE 45 COMMUNIST GOALS AS READ INTO THE CONGRESSIONAL RECORD, 1963

In addition to reading this, the 45 communist goals, read “The 10 Planks of Karl Marx, ‘The Communist Manifesto.’

America has already fulfilled 90% of them.

UK and EU have fulfilled 99% of them...

Congressional Record–Appendix, pp. A34-A35

January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals

Thursday, January 10, 1963

Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman’s request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following “Current Communist Goals,” which she identifies as an excerpt from “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen:

U. S. Congressional Seal[From “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen]

CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS
1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use [“]united force[“] to solve economic, political or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court

The irony of February 2020 is that the Novel Coronavirus likely weaponized in Wuhan, China is giving the world pause to reconsider its loving embrace of and headlong rush towards totalitarian Marxist Chinese Communist Party-style autocratic one-party rule.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on February 04, 2020, 06:06:18 AM

Politifact, like most fact checking truth o meter sites are owned by anti Trump newspapers and organizations. They have an agenda and you're drinking their Kool Aid.

I'm sorry, BillyB - but did I miss a riposte to the FACT you found 'unpalatable' ?


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on February 04, 2020, 06:09:33 AM
. The DOW is currently at 28,544, the S&P is at 3257, unemployment is as record lows

As other western economies mirrored downward unemployment - are you suggesting this is not a result of a recovery we are all experiencing from 2007/8 and simply macro-economics - irrespective of 'leadership' ?

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on February 06, 2020, 10:33:14 AM
Trump acquitted! Will it end now? Can the US Congress and the people now finally get to work?


Trump has been working like a dog and getting things done!


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/in-historic-vote-trump-acquitted-of-impeachment-charges/2020/02/05/8b7ea90e-4832-11ea-ab15-b5df3261b710_story.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on February 07, 2020, 02:51:15 AM
For Americans who actually exercise their grey matter ..

Q:  How can one be 'aquitted' when witnesses were never called ?



Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on February 07, 2020, 03:38:09 PM
The long-overdue Whitehouse-keeping has begun:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/vindman-to-leave-nsc-after-trump-acquittal

Impeachment witness Vindman fired, escorted out of White House after Trump acquittal
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: dcguyusa on February 07, 2020, 04:34:24 PM
Quote
Although much media attention has focused on Shelton’s views about gold, the banking community is more alarmed by her desire to end federal deposit insurance, which secures account holders’ deposits of up to $250,000 at U.S. banks, and her recent questioning of the Fed’s overnight borrowing market, referred to as repo operations, which helps the Fed keep cash flowing through the financial system.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/02/06/gop-senators-face-new-loyalty-test-whether-approve-trumps-controversial-fed-nominee-judy-shelton/

The nominee wants to eliminate FDIC coverage for bank deposits.  Also favors pushing rates to below zero.   :money: :-\
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on February 07, 2020, 11:59:56 PM
The long-overdue Whitehouse-keeping has begun:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/vindman-to-leave-nsc-after-trump-acquittal

Impeachment witness Vindman fired, escorted out of White House after Trump acquittal

Yup.. we can't have whistleblowers or honest folk around..
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on February 08, 2020, 10:53:24 AM
The long-overdue Whitehouse-keeping has begun:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/vindman-to-leave-nsc-after-trump-acquittal

Impeachment witness Vindman fired, escorted out of White House after Trump acquittal

Yup.. we can't have whistleblowers or honest folk around..

Were you complaining about Obama’s war on journalists? Nope.

A President can remove anyone from his cabinet and key positions that he sees fit. Get over it!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on February 08, 2020, 10:53:37 AM
For Americans who actually exercise their grey matter ..

Q:  How can one be 'aquitted' when witnesses were never called ?

because it wasnt a court trial and witnesses could lie.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on February 08, 2020, 10:58:38 AM
Well today the "Hawkeye Cauci" begins the 2020 national election. The DOW is currently at 28,544, the S&P is at 3257, unemployment is as record lows for blacks and hispanics, the USA is self sufficient in fossil fuels, new trade deals have made American industry competitive again, we have over 100 new Constitutionalist judges appointed to the federal court system and our military is once again the strongest in the world.

On the other we hand, we have a man in the White House who is a boorish, morally corrupt, obnoxious, rude, ego maniac, with little poise, polish or self control.

Personally, I'm willing to live with the later in order to gain the benefits of the former. I'll probably vote that way next November.

A valid analysis. I don’t agree with you that Trump is consistently as bad as you portray but he has his moments.

No President in history has been attacked so much nor has any faced an attempted coup d’ etat by the deep state media and their predecessor, so no way to compare.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on February 08, 2020, 11:01:28 AM


Well summarised.

The great pity is ms refuses to learn from his past. The moaning and groaning is his SOP (Standard Operating Procedure)


 Yeah, we've seen that for years. It's like he enjoys making himself look like a fool. Anything for attention I guess. Sad

Moby, although not American, clearly behaves like many Democrats. Sad indeed.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on February 08, 2020, 12:35:58 PM
Yup.. we can't have whistleblowers or honest folk around..

The Democrats didn't want the whistle blower testifying any more
than they wanted Hunter Biden on the stand.


You DO realise that no witness statements are going to be heard ?

Whoops you got that one wrong, they did read witness statements.
They didn't allow any new witnesses or start any new investigations
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on February 08, 2020, 03:51:43 PM
For Americans who actually exercise their grey matter ..

Q:  How can one be 'aquitted' when witnesses were never called ?


Only a moron or deceiver or both, clearly an enemy, would ask such an uneducated question...  The House like a Grand Jury investigates and called numerous witnesses many in a SCIF room star chamber in the basement of the Capitol.   The Senate then reviews the evidence of the house and determines guilt or innocence.    As the house manufactured fake witnesses and fake evidence (CIA leaker fake whistleblower Usama Obama NSC holdover rat in the sewers of the  Whitehouse). 

The grand rat extermination is just beginning.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on February 17, 2020, 02:19:59 AM
'Thanks' for the 'explanation', Mikey


We both know that was utter bollox.


IF the Senate really wanted to rub the noses of those bringing the Impeachment ....they'd have heard the evidence.....


Simples
Title: Iran's Retaliation Against the “Evil Empire”
Post by: Wiz on February 18, 2020, 04:15:50 PM
Iran's Retaliation Against the “Evil Empire”
The truth is out!


(https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/US-base-Iraq-MEM.png)

After their excessive and macabre display of delight and satisfaction, and even celebration, over the killing of Solemani, the White House was tight-lipped about Iran’s almost immediate retaliatory missile attack on two US bases in Iraq, with Donald Trump soon claiming only a bit of physical damage, announcing on Twitter a day after the attack, “No Americans were harmed in last night’s attack by the Iranian regime. We suffered no casualties.” Trump also stated there was no significant damage to the bases.

CNN initially reported that there were only casualties among Iraqi personnel but then quickly dropped the story altogether, initially stating “After days of anticipation, Tehran’s zero-casualty retaliation came as a relief to many.  At the time, Iranian officials maintained that the US had suffered least 80 dead and perhaps 200 wounded in the attack.

That story is slowly unwinding to indicate something very different, with various Middle East media reporting multiple casualties, and statements from the US Central Command directly contradicting Trump’s comments.

(https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/afghanistan-plane-crash-1-768x512.jpg)

Read the full story:


Iran Attack on Two US Bases, The Casualties? (https://www.globalresearch.ca/new-star-wars-trilogy-evil-empire-strikes-back/5702528?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on February 19, 2020, 12:13:13 AM
'Thanks' for the 'explanation', Mikey


We both know that was utter bollox.


IF the Senate really wanted to rub the noses of those bringing the Impeachment ....they'd have heard the evidence.....


Simples

The impeachment process of trump should not let politics interfere in the legal process. Yet thats exactly what happened. Trump was convicted before it all even began (in the media, in politics). Thats no way to run a nation-state and therefore its a disgrace.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on February 19, 2020, 03:30:44 PM

The impeachment process of trump should not let politics interfere in the legal process. Yet thats exactly what happened. Trump was convicted before it all even began (in the media, in politics). Thats no way to run a nation-state and therefore its a disgrace.

Except he wasn't convicted and the outcome of his 'innocence'  was certain ON a political basis - THAT is the disgrace, surely ..?!


Moby, although not American, clearly behaves like many Democrats. Sad indeed.

'Sad' is being 'judged' by a rather clueless very single anti-Semite .... :popcorn:

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on February 20, 2020, 03:04:34 PM


Well summarised.

The great pity is ms refuses to learn from his past. The moaning and groaning is his SOP (Standard Operating Procedure)


 Yeah, we've seen that for years. It's like he enjoys making himself look like a fool. Anything for attention I guess. Sad

Moby, although not American, clearly behaves like many Democrats. Sad indeed.

US Democrats, UK Labour Party supporters, the #FBPE Remainiacs (now ‘rejoiners’  :chuckle:  ), the Liberal Democrats and other assorted lefties and pinkos are all fingers on the same glove.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on February 20, 2020, 04:33:16 PM
Manny is being somewhat disingenuous


 

US Democrats, UK Labour Party supporters, the #FBPE Remainiacs (now ‘rejoiners’  :chuckle:  ), the Liberal Democrats and other assorted lefties and pinkos are all fingers on the same glove.

Tell us - how would you describe John Major, Ken Clarke et al ?  ... 'Lefties'  :ROFL:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on February 20, 2020, 05:09:29 PM
Manny is being somewhat disingenuous


 

US Democrats, UK Labour Party supporters, the #FBPE Remainiacs (now ‘rejoiners’  :chuckle:  ), the Liberal Democrats and other assorted lefties and pinkos are all fingers on the same glove.

Tell us - how would you describe John Major, Ken Clarke et al ?  ... 'Lefties'  :ROFL:

Ken Clarke is a daft old duffer about to be kicked into the Lords to get shut of him.

Major, I disagree with much of his current EU stance is all I can really say. I have reasons why I won’t discuss Major on a public forum.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on February 20, 2020, 11:28:55 PM


Ken Clarke is a daft old duffer about to be kicked into the Lords to get shut of him.

Ah, so this article was tosh ? ;)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/02/06/ennobling-ken-clarke-philip-hammond-magnanimous-show-strength/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/02/06/ennobling-ken-clarke-philip-hammond-magnanimous-show-strength/)


Major, I disagree with much of his current EU stance is all I can really say. I have reasons why I won’t discuss Major on a public forum.

 :chuckle:

I'm not suggesting you gossip .. I referred to his 'loftiness' ..

Then there's the former Chancellor (Philip Hammond).. was HE a 'leftie' ?   I'm just trying to establish the folly of your political labelling .. :chuckle:


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on February 21, 2020, 12:48:01 AM

The impeachment process of trump should not let politics interfere in the legal process. Yet thats exactly what happened. Trump was convicted before it all even began (in the media, in politics). Thats no way to run a nation-state and therefore its a disgrace.

Except he wasn't convicted and the outcome of his 'innocence'  was certain ON a political basis - THAT is the disgrace, surely ..?!

He was convicted by the media , they have been trying to paint him in as bad a light as possible (like they did with Bush Jr.).

He was convicted by the politicians also multiple times, luckily for him only the democrats and a few rino's. He got rid of the rinos and the democrats will by crying all the time he's president.

He WASNT convicted in a real court of course, because the evidence & witnesses were lacking in quality. So the media could do the right thing and mea-culpa but they won't.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on February 21, 2020, 02:32:05 AM
Then there's the former Chancellor (Philip Hammond).. was HE a 'leftie' ?   I'm just trying to establish the folly of your political labelling .. :chuckle:

Kicked out by Boris due to his Remaniac beliefs IIRC.

You’re a Pinko. No point arguing.

This topic is about Trump.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on February 21, 2020, 03:17:16 AM

Kicked out by Boris due to his Remaniac beliefs IIRC.

You’re a Pinko. No point arguing.

This topic is about Trump.


So, Major was a pinko, too ;)

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on February 21, 2020, 02:55:24 PM

Kicked out by Boris due to his Remaniac beliefs IIRC.

You’re a Pinko. No point arguing.

This topic is about Trump.


So, Major was a pinko, too ;)

Refer to post #338.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on February 21, 2020, 03:30:38 PM

Refer to post #338.

In 338 you did not quote Tory leaders and former Chancellors  - of course you're trying to obfuscate  :chuckle:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on March 02, 2020, 02:38:08 PM
Looks like Bloomie made Stomping Steyer,  Babbling Buttboy, and Kluless Korny Klobie some real deal$$$ they could not refuse as they have all just dropped out just ahead of Super Tuesday...  Bern the Commie, Alzheimers Uncle Joe and Warwhooping Pokeyhontis Warren all still in with the CCP's Choice of Billionaires Bloomie....  With Warren's vicious kneecapping of Bloomie over NDAs she must not have gotten any deals.

So it's going to be an all Open Borders (No Borders, No Wall, No ICE, and No USA at all!) hard left field consisting of 1. Bern the Cardiac old Commie or 2. the 78 YO Doddering Uncle Joe Alzheimer's patient, 3. the Billionaire MultiCrat GOPer, Indie and Now Democommie who makes Billions with the CCP news and data feeds for his Trading Terminals and lastly, 4. the Body Counting Crime Cartel Kooky Crooked Cocaineista herself.

Warren has Whooped her last Indian War dance.

Question is who has the best chance at losing the least number of Electoral College votes to CiC Trump.

Trump takes it in November with 400+ Electoral College Votes IMHO.


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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on March 03, 2020, 04:02:44 AM
Another page turned into Moby squabbling with anyone and everyone. How does one little fella manage to have polar opposite views from the rest of the world? Even after being schooled, he continues to humiliate himself.

 :fighting0025:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on March 03, 2020, 05:16:12 PM
This Afghan phook Prez hoping to lock the USA into staying in order to keep the trillion-dollar gravy train running... this is what a reality check feelz like he better have a few million$ hidden in UAE when the 5,000 taliban prisoners come looking for him...

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/03/02/taliban-ends-peace-deal-with-u-s-after-afghan-president-balks/

The prospects for the peace deal brokered between the United States and the Taliban looked grim less than 24 hours after it was announced, as Afghan President Ashraf Ghani balked at releasing 5,000 Taliban prisoners as specified in the agreement, and the Taliban responded by announcing it would resume “operations” against the Afghan government.

Might as well be a deal with Iranians - so much for a Peace Deal now best to let the Taliban Take Over and execute their Drugs Dealers and just use Drones and the Spaceforce to take out any Al Qaeda or ISIS training camps that pop up... Trump needs to wrap this up now before Bernie bros can hammer him with it this summer.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on March 03, 2020, 05:25:31 PM
Given that the agreement states that the US will NOT be leaving Afghanistan, the agreement was never likely to stand. The prisoner release issue is, at best, just a convenient excuse. The president does not represent the people of the country. He represents US interests and possibly a small proportion of the people who live in and around Kabul. And, yes, his own interests depend upon the US remaining in the country indefinitely.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: dcguyusa on March 03, 2020, 05:26:12 PM
Quote
“Today’s agreement with the Taliban includes concessions that could threaten the security of the United States. Releasing thousands of Taliban fighters, lifting sanctions on international terrorists, and agreeing to withdraw all U.S. forces in exchange for promises from the Taliban, with no disclosed mechanism to verify Taliban compliance, would be reminiscent of the worst aspects of the Obama Iran nuclear deal.

“If verification mechanisms exist, the Secretary of State should immediately make them, and any other side deals or annexes, public. The American people deserve to know precisely what deals have been cut in our name with the terrorists who harbored those who attacked us on 9/11.”

https://cheney.house.gov/2020/02/29/cheney-the-deal-with-the-taliban-includes-concessions-that-could-threaten-the-security-of-the-united-states/

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/liz-cheney-my-concerns-remain-about-trumps-peace-deal-with-taliban
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 03, 2020, 06:41:29 PM
Given that the agreement states that the US will NOT be leaving Afghanistan, the agreement was never likely to stand. The prisoner release issue is, at best, just a convenient excuse. The president does not represent the people of the country. He represents US interests and possibly a small proportion of the people who live in and around Kabul. And, yes, his own interests depend upon the US remaining in the country indefinitely.

I keep hoping the USA will get out of both Afghanistan and Iraq, and of course Syria as well.

I hope you’re wrong but more than likely you nailed it.

4 Trillion dollars pissed away on these wars would have paid for some pretty good healthcare back home, pregnancy leave, better care for newborns and even some infrastructure.

But no, that’s not gonna make the evil warmongers happy.  :sick0012:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 03, 2020, 06:47:56 PM
Fed cuts interest rate, price of Gold jumps. No doubt this cut is in response to the coronavirus fears.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-markets-idUSKBN20Q02V
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on March 03, 2020, 06:55:07 PM
Outstanding summary. Moby fits your last statement to a T!  :laugh:

Is Moby getting even worse at this?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on March 04, 2020, 02:08:17 AM

 How is he wrong? did he do something illegal? No, he used the law to his advantage, used the loopholes just like you did when you brought your wife to England.


 :ROFL:

1/ OF COURSE he acted illegally - if the Senate had had a different make up we''d be having a different conversation

2/ I did not use a 'loop hole' for my wife to enter the UK ... It is current statute until 00:00 31st Dec 2020

Your analogy sucked ..


But it seems that you have double standards, huh? You can use the loopholes in place yet he can't? Him using them should be frowned up but when you do it you have every right to? THAT is what is very telling!

What is 'telling' is your ignorance .. tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on March 04, 2020, 02:00:50 PM

 :ROFL:

1/ OF COURSE he acted illegally - if the Senate had had a different make up we''d be having a different conversation

Please name the law or statute that you think Trump broke. 


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on March 04, 2020, 03:17:06 PM

 How is he wrong? did he do something illegal? No, he used the law to his advantage, used the loopholes just like you did when you brought your wife to England.


 :ROFL:

1/ OF COURSE he acted illegally - if the Senate had had a different make up we''d be having a different conversation

2/ I did not use a 'loop hole' for my wife to enter the UK ... It is current statute until 00:00 31st Dec 2020

Your analogy sucked ..


 1/  The make up of the Senate has nothing to do with it . The Dem controlled house was free to ask for them even without Senate consent, and they did. But they have not been able to prove it was just for political reasons so the IRS has not released them. Yet again you show your ignorance about the subject... and your stupidity with that response!

 2/ Trump filing for bankruptcy is also current statute. Your weak excuse of a response sucks!  :laugh:



But it seems that you have double standards, huh? You can use the loopholes in place yet he can't? Him using them should be frowned up but when you do it you have every right to? THAT is what is very telling!

What is 'telling' is your ignorance .. tiphat



 Says the guy who is stupid enough to think the Senate has anything to do with Trump not releasing his tax returns.   :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 04, 2020, 03:42:57 PM

 :ROFL:

1/ OF COURSE he acted illegally - if the Senate had had a different make up we''d be having a different conversation

Please name the law or statute that you think Trump broke.

He hurt his feelings.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on March 04, 2020, 10:55:32 PM


 1/  The make up of the Senate has nothing to do with it .

I'm 'sorry' - *i'm* referring to his impeachment ..

2/ Trump filing for bankruptcy is also current statute. Your weak excuse of a response sucks! 

Trump hasn't filed for personal bankruptcy - 'just' six firms he controlled .. ( You've heard of Chapter 11 ?) He's taken folks for billions ..


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 14, 2020, 10:06:51 PM
The left-wing Borg demanded that Trump take this Coronavirus business seriously, and he has responded with a National Emergency, which might play right into his hands nicely.  :chuckle:


Could they with their vicious mockery of Trump's recent dismissive jokes about the Corona mania "hoax" have walked right into another of The Maestro's traps? Though petty corrupt politicians from coast-to-coast may now be salivating over the Federal Reserve Notes which they expect to be thrown their way -- the more astute high-level Globalists at The Atlantic Magazine, in 2019, warned about the potential  for a Trumpian power-grab (which could then be aimed at the PRC (Predatory Ruling Class).


https://www.realhistorychannel.org/trump-declares-national-emergency
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on March 14, 2020, 10:56:06 PM


 1/  The make up of the Senate has nothing to do with it .

I'm 'sorry' - *i'm* referring to his impeachment ..


 Ahh ok, so you couldn't wiggle out of your bankruptcy blunder so you deflected instead... got it!   :thumbsup:



2/ Trump filing for bankruptcy is also current statute. Your weak excuse of a response sucks! 

Trump hasn't filed for personal bankruptcy - 'just' six firms he controlled .. ( You've heard of Chapter 11 ?) He's taken folks for billions ..


 Wow, that was so weak, even for you Moby.  No one ever brought up personal, where did you get that from? Like you said he controlled the companies so it was his decision. And still... it was not illegal. Yet another attempt at deflection.


 And by the way... we are still waiting for your answer to Bill...


 :ROFL:

1/ OF COURSE he acted illegally - if the Senate had had a different make up we''d be having a different conversation

Please name the law or statute that you think Trump broke. 


 my guess...we will be waiting a loooooong time!   :coffeeread:



Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on March 15, 2020, 05:43:28 AM
When 'Trampu' is out of office, I expect some will be eating their words...


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on March 15, 2020, 07:59:26 AM


 1/  The make up of the Senate has nothing to do with it .

I'm 'sorry' - *i'm* referring to his impeachment ..


 Ahh ok, so you couldn't wiggle out of your bankruptcy blunder so you deflected instead... got it!   :thumbsup:



2/ Trump filing for bankruptcy is also current statute. Your weak excuse of a response sucks! 

Trump hasn't filed for personal bankruptcy - 'just' six firms he controlled .. ( You've heard of Chapter 11 ?) He's taken folks for billions ..


 Wow, that was so weak, even for you Moby.  No one ever brought up personal, where did you get that from? Like you said he controlled the companies so it was his decision. And still... it was not illegal. Yet another attempt at deflection.


 And by the way... we are still waiting for your answer to Bill...


 :ROFL:

1/ OF COURSE he acted illegally - if the Senate had had a different make up we''d be having a different conversation

Please name the law or statute that you think Trump broke. 


 my guess...we will be waiting a loooooong time!   :coffeeread:

It’s a full time job cleaning up Mystics mess. Fortunately, there are forums full of people taking it in turns, to debunk the garbage he continually dumps.

If only he could accept his short comings, it would save a lot of precious time.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Wiz on March 22, 2020, 01:08:13 AM
Bluff, bombast and blame is all that
Donald Trump can offer in this crisis


(https://d1cpnymib1locd.cloudfront.net/?src=https://www.diariolibre.com/binrepository/1536x1024/0c0/0d0/none/10904/TMGT/77623143c885c9b17e5540095517f59d197d_13491695_20200320145050.jpg&w=1200)

The right’s position on the virus shows how a failed administration fights when cornered!

The one welcome casualty of the coronavirus pandemic ought to be the culture wars. If it achieves nothing else, the health crisis has revealed the emptiness of leaders who manufacture nationalist fears to maintain their power.
Boris Johnson now looks as out of place as a clown in a morgue. Donald Trump looks as out of luck as a cornered conman.


(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/FE7C/production/_111384156_hi060739962.jpg)

Nothing is inevitable, however. To see how a pandemic can be used to ensure that supplies of politically useful rage keep flowing, look at how US Republicans are constructing a cover story. They have plenty to cover up. The gaps in safety nets that the virus is revealing everywhere gape in the United States. That the world’s richest country somehow never got round to providing universal healthcare is bad enough, but the incompetence of Trump’s White House and the wider US right has been close to criminal.

“We have it under control. It’s going to be just fine,” Trump bragged on 22 January. He has never managed to rise from that low point. All Americans have had is bluff and bombast intended to make the virus seem a minor nuisance, and then, as reality dawned on the president’s narrow mind, to ensure blame went to anyone but himself. He was not alone. Fox News, which acts as a front for his administration and as the respectable face of crackpot politics, has been engaged in an equally clanking gearshift. At the beginning of March, liberal criticisms of Trump’s inability to see a national emergency when it was staring him in the face were “just another attempt to impeach the president”, according to one presenter. At worst, the virus “could be the flu”, added a second. Not even so bad a flu, opined a third. The U-turn in mid-March was so fast you could smell the burning rubber on the road. Overnight, coronavirus became a “health crisis” and an “incredibly dangerous and contagious virus”.

Read the whole article here: Bluff and bombast blame it's all Trump can offer on coronavirus-crisis (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/21/bluff-bombast-blame-all-trump-can-offer-coronavirus-crisis)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on March 22, 2020, 08:32:41 AM
Other than criticize, complain and post negative propaganda, what has Wiz done?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: yankee on March 22, 2020, 08:41:55 AM
Other than criticize, complain and post negative propaganda, what has Wiz done?

criticize, complain and post negative propagand
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on March 22, 2020, 08:43:44 AM
Other than criticize, complain and post negative propaganda, what has Wiz done?

While Wiz is free to post, one most realize he has lost his pacifier. One must just accept his moaning and groaning.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on March 22, 2020, 09:39:17 AM

Wiz, the two leaders you complain about have less of a crisis to deal with than most other Western nations. Don't you think they deserve some credit for that? Scroll down the link and look at how many people are infected per million for each nation. USA and UK are doing better than most Western nations. Since you don't think the Chinese are to blame and believe America made them victims, go out and buy some Chinese products to help them out.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on March 22, 2020, 10:05:21 AM
Warning Justice department power grab. The Justice department
has enough power and congress should be very wary of giving
them any more. The way they do this is by asking for more
power just during the Coronovirus emergency.

For those who are curious you can do a google search to see
how many emergencies were ever rescinded. They have national
emergencies still in effect from when Jimmy Carter was president.   

If any emergency powers are designated they should sunset the
emergency powers in the bill itself. For example give them 90
days and then they must go to congress to extend them for
another 90 days.

DOJ seeks new emergency powers amid coronavirus pandemic
http://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/21/doj-coronavirus-emergency-powers-140023


DOJ Wants to Suspend Constitutional Rights During Coronavirus Emergency

Rolling Stone   
Peter Wade

http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/doj-wants-suspend-constitutional-rights-205444026.html


Here's a list of the 31 national emergencies that have been in effect for years
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/list-31-national-emergencies-effect-years/story?id=60294693
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on March 22, 2020, 10:31:39 AM

Wiz, the two leaders you complain about have less of a crisis to deal with than most other Western nations. Don't you think they deserve some credit for that? Scroll down the link and look at how many people are infected per million for each nation. USA and UK are doing better than most Western nations. Since you don't think the Chinese are to blame and believe America made them victims, go out and buy some Chinese products to help them out.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


Scary to find myself in agreement with Wiz on anything ..))


Once again, BillyB 'hits us' with meaningless figures ...  The UK / US have not been testing .. their figures for those infected are WAY under-reported .. that's a FACT .. they admit it .. it's been 'policy' not to test most people who believe they've got it  /had it ..

So... how can you compare S.Korea / Singapore with the UK / US ?

FACT: your President has said some particularly DUMB things about the virus - things he's had to retract or tried to pretend he hasn't said with 'qualifications' from staff.








Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on March 22, 2020, 10:35:57 AM

It’s a full time job cleaning up Mystics mess. Fortunately, there are forums full of people taking it in turns, to debunk the garbage he continually dumps.

If only he could accept his short comings, it would save a lot of precious time.

On other forums, the 'mess' is not cleaned up and those trying to sweep it under the carpet have a bright light focused on them .. like your expertise on immigration / qualifications stds ..


I expect my post to be nuked and my point proven  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on March 22, 2020, 11:11:34 AM
My understanding that as the virus gets worse Biden's numbers are sinking.

However the Democrats’ situation shakes out, Biden, Sanders – and Cuomo – may each remain hard-pressed to challenge Trump in November: On Friday, results of an Ipsos/ABC News poll said a majority of Americans – 55 percent – approved of the way the president was handling the crisis, The Hill reported.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/cuomos-coronavirus-tv-briefings-may-have-biden-sanders-worried/ar-BB11wJpB?li=BBnb7Kz
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Wiz on March 22, 2020, 11:18:58 AM

Wiz, the two leaders you complain about have less of a crisis to deal with than most other Western nations. Don't you think they deserve some credit for that? Scroll down the link and look at how many people are infected per million for each nation. USA and UK are doing better than most Western nations. Since you don't think the Chinese are to blame and believe America made them victims, go out and buy some Chinese products to help them out.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Billyb

When somebody from your side of the pont, lIke 2tallbill for example is posting a long list of various articles regarding your President, country and any propaganda  about your country DID YOU HEAR ME making any comments?

I just read most of them and ignore all the crap that your mass media is posting.

Whenever I post any articles critical of the USA all sheeps start crying.


It is pretty clear to me that none of you, brainwashed sheeps can accept any criticism as you follow the programming  education by your gangster government and your Fascist elite.

Most of you/them cannot put forward any comprehensive well constructed arguments and all you know is to cry like the sheep's in the video.

BTW here in the UK we live in a more democratic country and we can criticise anybody ........

What I found very funny is somebody mention that I lost my pacifier but he failed to notice the name of the writer... he is one of his own tripe!

 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on March 22, 2020, 12:07:09 PM
It is pretty clear to me that none of you, brainwashed sheeps can accept any criticism as you follow the programming  education by your gangster government and your Fascist elite.


Us crying sheep are happy with life in America. You think we shouldn't be happy which doesn't make sense to us but you think it should. If you keep criticizing your government, way of life and America and in turn praise Russia, when the world comes crashing down on you, your fellow citizens won't want to help you. Russia won't want to help you. Start being a patriot and help your nation.  Don't be part of the problem.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 22, 2020, 12:32:48 PM

Wiz, the two leaders you complain about have less of a crisis to deal with than most other Western nations. Don't you think they deserve some credit for that? Scroll down the link and look at how many people are infected per million for each nation. USA and UK are doing better than most Western nations. Since you don't think the Chinese are to blame and believe America made them victims, go out and buy some Chinese products to help them out.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Billyb

When somebody from your side of the pont, lIke 2tallbill for example is posting a long list of various articles regarding your President, country and any propaganda  about your country DID YOU HEAR ME making any comments?

I just read most of them and ignore all the crap that your mass media is posting.

Whenever I post any articles critical of the USA all sheeps start crying.


It is pretty clear to me that none of you, brainwashed sheeps can accept any criticism as you follow the programming  education by your gangster government and your Fascist elite.

Most of you/them cannot put forward any comprehensive well constructed arguments and all you know is to cry like the sheep's in the video.

BTW here in the UK we live in a more democratic country and we can criticise anybody ........


False!! Corbin or anyone who remotely criticizes Israel will NEVER get elected in the U.K.


And freedom of speech in the U.K.? Fu get about it.  :ROFL:


https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/02/uk-cops-arrest-man-for-offensive-comment-about-muslim-migrants
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on March 22, 2020, 01:26:31 PM


False!! Corbin or anyone who remotely criticizes Israel will NEVER get elected in the U.K.


And freedom of speech in the U.K.? Fu get about it.  :ROFL:


https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/02/uk-cops-arrest-man-for-offensive-comment-about-muslim-migrants

You are a total wack-job, Cornfed ..

Corbyn didn't get elected as he was ineffective and sat on the fence re Brexit .. he wasn't trusted .. Israel didn't register on UK voter's radar ..

Given the future PM could / can discuss Muslim ladies head gear .. your 'jihad watchers' aren't much kop ..

" the prime minister has described African people as “piccaninnies” with “watermelon smiles” and compared Muslim women wearing the burqa to “letterboxes” and “bank robbers”."






Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Wiz on March 22, 2020, 01:58:38 PM
It is pretty clear to me that none of you, brainwashed sheeps can accept any criticism as you follow the programming  education by your gangster government and your Fascist elite.

Us crying sheep are happy with life in America. You think we shouldn't be happy which doesn't make sense to us but you think it should. If you keep criticizing your government, way of life and America and in turn praise Russia, when the world comes crashing down on you, your fellow citizens won't want to help you. Russia won't want to help you. Start being a patriot and help your nation. Don't be part of the problem.

I never heard more rubbish comments in my life like those highlighted above..........

You can try to twist the facts, as much as you like but I will never betray my birth country neither my adopted one too, ... unlike you! :sick0012:

I don't pray Russia, for the reasons you think...... but when I talk about that country I try not to make any silly comments AND try my best to make only objective ones, as there are many intelligent people around and will correct me.

I am happy living in the UK but, as I already told you, we have a democracy here and it is my democratic right to criticise the Government or any other party.

Sorry Billy but I do not believe that the world will come crashing down on me......because I criticise our government and its big ally, USA. This Nation had an Empire for many centuries unlike yours that it's going down the pun after 75 years......and for your info I will never ask Russia to help me.

You know the song..... I DID IT MY WAY!

 :evilgrin0002:


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Wiz on March 22, 2020, 02:10:33 PM

Wiz, the two leaders you complain about have less of a crisis to deal with than most other Western nations. Don't you think they deserve some credit for that? Scroll down the link and look at how many people are infected per million for each nation. USA and UK are doing better than most Western nations. Since you don't think the Chinese are to blame and believe America made them victims, go out and buy some Chinese products to help them out.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Billyb

When somebody from your side of the pont, lIke 2tallbill for example is posting a long list of various articles regarding your President, country and any propaganda  about your country DID YOU HEAR ME making any comments?

I just read most of them and ignore all the crap that your mass media is posting.

Whenever I post any articles critical of the USA all sheeps start crying.


It is pretty clear to me that none of you, brainwashed sheeps can accept any criticism as you follow the programming  education by your gangster government and your Fascist elite.

Most of you/them cannot put forward any comprehensive well constructed arguments and all you know is to cry like the sheep's in the video.

BTW here in the UK we live in a more democratic country and we can criticise anybody ........


False!! Corbin or anyone who remotely criticizes Israel will NEVER get elected in the U.K.


And freedom of speech in the U.K.? Fu get about it.  :ROFL:


https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/02/uk-cops-arrest-man-for-offensive-comment-about-muslim-migrants

I thought you were more intelligent than the other American Brainwashed sheep.

Is that were you live, avatar photo?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on March 22, 2020, 02:54:21 PM

Wiz, the avatar photo is where I live inside my house wielding Excalibur.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Wiz on March 22, 2020, 03:37:05 PM

Wiz, the avatar photo is where I live inside my house wielding Excalibur.

My reply was to Confederate....... ;D
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on March 22, 2020, 04:38:46 PM
Did any body see President Trump up date report? He really is doing a lot and getting USA manufacturing geared UP. Companies are calling the white house with capabilities to make needed products including N95 face mast, face shields and ventilators. Deploring 4000 beds of military hospitals in New York, Washington, and California plus 2000 more beds on hospital ships. They will start building out commercial space into additional hospitals space.  In California they will start medical testing of a possible cure on Tuesday and expect results quickly. One whisky company was converting its manufacturing to Hand sanitizer. Four companies said they have the capability to make ventilators and will start to make them. Honey Well will increase production of N95 mask many time by using idle equipment, adding shifts and adding 500 employees. We expect to be able to start sending N95 mask to Italy as several other companies have also said they can and will make masks. 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on March 22, 2020, 04:55:51 PM

Yeah, I just watch Trump in the news to counter a lot of FAKE news reports out there claiming he's doing nothing.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 22, 2020, 06:04:04 PM

Wiz, the two leaders you complain about have less of a crisis to deal with than most other Western nations. Don't you think they deserve some credit for that? Scroll down the link and look at how many people are infected per million for each nation. USA and UK are doing better than most Western nations. Since you don't think the Chinese are to blame and believe America made them victims, go out and buy some Chinese products to help them out.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Billyb

When somebody from your side of the pont, lIke 2tallbill for example is posting a long list of various articles regarding your President, country and any propaganda  about your country DID YOU HEAR ME making any comments?

I just read most of them and ignore all the crap that your mass media is posting.

Whenever I post any articles critical of the USA all sheeps start crying.


It is pretty clear to me that none of you, brainwashed sheeps can accept any criticism as you follow the programming  education by your gangster government and your Fascist elite.

Most of you/them cannot put forward any comprehensive well constructed arguments and all you know is to cry like the sheep's in the video.

BTW here in the UK we live in a more democratic country and we can criticise anybody ........


False!! Corbin or anyone who remotely criticizes Israel will NEVER get elected in the U.K.


And freedom of speech in the U.K.? Fu get about it.  :ROFL:


https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/02/uk-cops-arrest-man-for-offensive-comment-about-muslim-migrants

I thought you were more intelligent than the other American Brainwashed sheep.

Is that were you live, avatar photo?

A local custom repair and modifications shop I have a business relationship with specializes in customizing 4X4 vehicles.

It’s a photo of a custom Jeep for sale in front of their shop. I like their work. They have been featured on the cover of several magazines.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Wiz on March 23, 2020, 05:25:33 AM
A local custom repair and modifications shop I have a business relationship with specializes in customizing 4X4 vehicles.

It’s a photo of a custom Jeep for sale in front of their shop. I like their work. They have been featured on the cover of several magazines.

Thanks for the explanation...... time to find a young nurse to take care of your health..... LOL

 :thumbsup:
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on March 25, 2020, 09:53:35 AM
Trumps ratings are up, so what does the Lefty Hate networks do about it?
That's right, don't cover his press conferences anymore, not without a filter
and certainly not live.

There have been a number articles/stories about how the press needs to fact
check his stuff so that they shouldn't run these things live. They can't let his
ratings go up. They have started calling his informational press conferences
"Campaign Rally(ies)"


America approves: Three polls give Trump’s virus job a thumbs up
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/america-approves-3-polls-give-trumps-virus-job-a-thumbs-up


Gallup
President Trump's Job Approval Rating Up to 49%
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gallup-trump-job-approval-rating-matches-all-time-high/ar-BB11Ey9g


Poll: Trump approval rating hits 50 percent for first time in almost 2 years
http://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/489340-poll-trump-lands-50-percent-approval-for-first-time-in-two


CNN Declines to Air White House Press Conference Live
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/cnn-white-house-press-conference-sean-spicer-donald-trump-1201966230/


Maddow: If Trump Won't Stop Lying, Media Should Stop Broadcasting Coronavirus Pressers Live
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/03/22/maddow_if_trump_doesnt_stop_lying_media_should_stop_broadcasting_daily_coronavirus_press_conference.html


“They Are a Clown Show”: Media Orgs Wrestle With Covering Trump’s Campaign-Rally COVID-19 Briefings
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/03/media-orgs-wrestle-with-covering-trumps-campaign-rally-covid-19-briefings
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on March 25, 2020, 04:27:19 PM
It is long overdue to pull a Putin on the high treason being committed by MSM and Social Media cos... Declare National Security Emergency and ship their CEOs and C-Suite  off to various Rendition Black Ops centers and the most aggravating treasonous news readers to Gitmo and or the African Rendition facilities... Beauty of Rendition is CIA has been doing it for decades and it works... Now how to send Wizz and Mobster on a permanent secret Rendition trip and all will be well in the World. :8)  :smokin:  Insert God King Emporer Trump pic here...

(https://countercurrents.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Emperor-Trump.jpg)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on March 25, 2020, 04:49:32 PM
More God King Warrior Emporer Trump:

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQYKr9qQ43TwErqrhUlbZ3EEdwlbWmB50mgHAUYF4ZbGmxh4WAi)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on March 25, 2020, 05:00:49 PM

When somebody from your side of the pond, like 2tallbill for example is posting a long list of various articles regarding your President, country and any propaganda  about your country DID YOU HEAR ME making any comments?

What I found very funny is somebody mention that I lost my pacifier but he failed to notice the name of the writer... he is one of his own tripe!

 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

I'm a conservative libertarian and Catholic. At least half of my friends aren't
conservative and most of them aren't Catholic. I reading enjoy the vast array
of political opinions many times people make me think of something that I've
never considered and would have never considered if I surrounded myself with
people who think exactly like I do.

I enjoy having a bunch of friends (and cyber pals) that disagree with me. It makes
me think and exposes me to new ideas.

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on March 25, 2020, 05:44:00 PM
More God King Warrior Emporer Trump:

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQYKr9qQ43TwErqrhUlbZ3EEdwlbWmB50mgHAUYF4ZbGmxh4WAi)

This is rather cringeworthy.  :scared0005:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on March 25, 2020, 08:35:45 PM
Thanks to Manny's twitter feed link on the Kremlin sending aid to Italy ..

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ET9lT8eUUAA2r51?format=jpg&name=large)

Look who's fizzog keep appear in the dirty money trail ..

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Wiz on March 25, 2020, 11:09:24 PM
It is long overdue to pull a Putin on the high treason being committed by MSM and Social Media cos... Declare National Security Emergency and ship their CEOs and C-Suite  off to various Rendition Black Ops centers and the most aggravating treasonous news readers to Gitmo and or the African Rendition facilities... Beauty of Rendition is CIA has been doing it for decades and it works... Now how to send Wizz and Mobster on a permanent secret Rendition trip and all will be well in the World. :8)  :smokin:  Insert God King Emporer Trump pic here...

(https://countercurrents.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Emperor-Trump.jpg)

Now that your Mafia boss is in trouble and started printing Fiat Money......the cover of his incompetent leadership was exposed..... it's time to follow the example of his personal friend....  Mohammed bin Salman (MBS) of Saudi Arabia  who arrested his billionaire princes and hanged then from the ceiling at the Carlton hotel...till they returned many billion dollars back to his Government to save the country from bankruptcy. 

You have plenty of billionaires there...... Moby and I who are skint!

Read: How Saudi elite became five-star prisoners at the Riyadh Ritz-Carlton (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/06/how-saudi-elite-became-five-star-prisoners-at-the-riyadh-ritz-carlton)



 :ROFL:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on March 26, 2020, 08:19:24 AM
More God King Warrior Emporer Trump:

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQYKr9qQ43TwErqrhUlbZ3EEdwlbWmB50mgHAUYF4ZbGmxh4WAi)

This is rather cringeworthy.  :scared0005:

Curious that the images of God King Warrior Emporer Trump were more triggering than the idea of renditioning MSM & SM Elites...
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on March 26, 2020, 08:25:57 AM
It is long overdue to pull a Putin on the high treason being committed by MSM and Social Media cos... Declare National Security Emergency and ship their CEOs and C-Suite  off to various Rendition Black Ops centers and the most aggravating treasonous news readers to Gitmo and or the African Rendition facilities... Beauty of Rendition is CIA has been doing it for decades and it works... Now how to send Wizz and Mobster on a permanent secret Rendition trip and all will be well in the World. :8)  :smokin:  Insert God King Emporer Trump pic here...

(https://countercurrents.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Emperor-Trump.jpg)

Now that your Mafia boss is in trouble and started printing Fiat Money......the cover of his incompetent leadership was exposed..... it's time to follow the example of his personal friend....  Mohammed bin Salman (MBS) of Saudi Arabia  who arrested his billionaire princes and hanged then from the ceiling at the Carlton hotel...till they returned many billion dollars back to his Government to save the country from bankruptcy. 

You have plenty of billionaires there...... Moby and I who are skint!

Read: How Saudi elite became five-star prisoners at the Riyadh Ritz-Carlton (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/06/how-saudi-elite-became-five-star-prisoners-at-the-riyadh-ritz-carlton)



 :ROFL:


The Wizzbanger needs to thank the Good Lord Almighty that the Awesome USA Empire is in a position to pump $6 TRILLION USD into the global economy to save us all from the CCP's Biowar.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on March 26, 2020, 08:30:57 AM
Thanks to Manny's twitter feed link on the Kremlin sending aid to Italy ..

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ET9lT8eUUAA2r51?format=jpg&name=large)

Look who's fizzog keep appear in the dirty money trail ..

For piddling little donations to an inaugural committee... Even for YOU Mobster this is a stretch.  :dh:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on March 26, 2020, 09:19:11 AM


For piddling little donations to an inaugural committee... Even for YOU Mobster this is a stretch.  :dh:

What part of numerous times was difficult to comprehend, Mikey ...

'Trampu's' fizzog appears THREE times..

YOU - my dear chap - deal with one instance

I'm pretty certain that when he's out of office we'll see him in the dock

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Wiz on March 26, 2020, 05:37:36 PM
The Wizzbanger needs to thank the Good Lord Almighty that the Awesome USA Empire is in a position to pump $6 TRILLION USD into the global economy to save us all from the CCP's Biowar.

YES more debt to save America's skin....... and not the world........Inflation and soon deflation and you are Bust!

Staring your US Biowar in China .....it appears that is backfired very hard  in your
your stupid trade war...... soon you will be running out of money.

 tiphat
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on March 28, 2020, 08:13:53 AM
Great God King Warrior Emporer Trump saves the Reserve Dollar world:

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQYKr9qQ43TwErqrhUlbZ3EEdwlbWmB50mgHAUYF4ZbGmxh4WAi)

My stealth advisor on my AIFTP project generated over $800M incremental profits last year and already over $200M this year... So if you know what you are doing it is not all gloom and doom... He has been slowed a bit because he is forced to work from home due to covid19 shelter in place stay at home orders...

Speaking of doom and gloom I regularly listen to Peter Schiff for worst case scenario SHTF financial strategies however he just flew off his ever loving Austrian Economics conservative rocker over the $6.2 Trillion combined Fed and Congress Global bailouts providing dollar reserve currency to the world.

Schiff said Bernie may be a socialist but Trump and every GOP member who voted for this pork pie in the sky is now a Communist like the Democrat Marxist Communists party.

I guess Schiff missed the memo that the EU with arguably a better social and health care safety nets are dropping like flies with Italy and Spain losing doctors (Italy 40 dead a modern plague) and HCW staff by the dozens... Now hitting USA hotspots just as bad with most people being diverted to triage tents outside the hospitals.

Calling the GOP and Trump Communists is a bit beyond the pale if not down right hysterical during a serious national emergency.  Sort of like poo poohing the Imperial Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor well it was only Hawaii they have not hit the mainland USA yet.

Well the Wuhan Chinese Virus biowar has hit the USA mainland and it is not a pretty sight with New Yorkers already being stopped and interrogated at bordering states.

Fortunately Trump's free market low Corp tax and lower worker tax policies combined with gutting the Clinton Bush Obamunist globalists regulations designed to drive factories into the arms of globalist totalitarian darlings China began to reverse the Obamunist true Marxist Communist efforts to destroy the USA.  This has allowed the USA to absorb a rapid ABC wave 30% correction plus bail out the Reserve Dollar world with $6.2 Trillion now and as Jay Powell spoke this week infinite liquidity as may be necessary moving forward.

Will be an interesting 2020 with the AOC Dems seen as irrelevant, sleepy creepy, crooked Uncle Joe certifiably suffering Dementia and capitalist companies racing to see who can invent/reinvent the most effective antivirals and vaccines.

State Governor's like Nevada ordering that the anti malarials and anti arthritis drugs showing promise for Covid19 can't be used on Corona virus victims are bloody murderers.  Since MD and PharmDs licensed by DEA if CDC and FDA do not explicitly warn against MDs can do whatever they think will save their sickest patients especially with the new right to try laws passed by Trump.  Sign a liability release and you have a right to try instead of just die.


Damnation Schiff almost as big a Trump America hater as Wizz. Amazing how Wizhate has so much in common with his kindred spirit Jews like Schiff.

 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :smokin:

###
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on March 28, 2020, 08:57:12 AM
Communist Freaking Red China making it easy to view them as our existential mortal enemies:

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/china-threatens-throw-america-mighty-sea-coronavirus-130877

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on March 29, 2020, 01:44:15 PM
Communist Freaking Red China making it easy to view them as our existential mortal enemies:

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/china-threatens-throw-america-mighty-sea-coronavirus-130877

Fake news, that's the second time you have posted this propaganda. I posted the translation of what was actually said (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,28644.msg507047.html#msg507047) a few days ago.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on April 01, 2020, 08:18:43 AM
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
With interest rates for the United States being at ZERO, this is the time to do our decades long awaited Infrastructure Bill. It should be VERY BIG & BOLD, Two Trillion Dollars, and be focused solely on jobs and rebuilding the once great infrastructure of our Country! Phase 4

This is long overdue and needed across the USA... Will create millions of USA based jobs that will not go to Indian H1B or Communist Freaking Red Chinese Wuhan Viral Biowarriors...  American Steel and workers to rebuild and expand America. :gousa:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on April 01, 2020, 08:30:27 AM
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
With interest rates for the United States being at ZERO, this is the time to do our decades long awaited Infrastructure Bill. It should be VERY BIG & BOLD, Two Trillion Dollars, and be focused solely on jobs and rebuilding the once great infrastructure of our Country! Phase 4

This is long overdue and needed across the USA... Will create millions of USA based jobs that will not go to Indian H1B or Communist Freaking Red Chinese Wuhan Viral Biowarriors...  American Steel and workers to rebuild and expand America. :gousa:


Can someone point out to Mikey ( AGAIN)  that most jobs lost in US steel production was down to automation....
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on April 07, 2020, 07:13:03 PM
Let's see what the the resident expert thinks of this...

Gives new meaning to the term RIM Job...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/trump-administration-first-in-history-to-label-a-white-supremacist-group-terrorists

The Trump administration is now the first U.S. administration to label a white supremacist group a terrorist organization. The move, The New York Times notes, “could cut against criticism that the Trump administration has played down the threat of white nationalist violence for political reasons.” The group also happens to be pro-Russia.

The State Department’s counterterrorism coordinator, Ambassador Nathan Sales, underscored in a statement to the Times Monday that by naming a white nationalist group a “specially designated global terrorist organization,” the Trump administration is doing something “unprecedented.”


“These designations are unprecedented,” said Sales, as reported by the Times Monday. “This is the first time the United States has ever designated white supremacists as terrorists, and this illustrates how seriously this administration takes the white supremacist terrorist threat. We are doing things no previous administration has done to counter this threat.”

“The State Department’s designation for the organization, the Russian Imperial Movement, sets up the Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Assets Control to block any American property or assets belonging to the group,” the Times explains. “It will also bar Americans from financial dealings with the organization and make it easier to ban its members from traveling to the United States.” Three of the group’s leaders — Stanislav Anatolyevich Vorobyev, Denis Valliullovich Gariev and Nikolay Nikolayevich Trushchalov — are being labeled individually as terrorists, officials told the Times, a designation that includes additional sanctions.

Officials told the Times that the group is not believed to be sponsored by the Russian government, but that its actions have been “tolerated” by President Vladimir V. Putin and it has “helped advance the Russian government’s external goals by recruiting Russian fighters to aid pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine.” The organization has also supported neo-Nazi organizations in Scandinavia, which follows a larger Russian government strategy of “sow[ing] chaos in Western democracies,” the paper adds.

While Trump’s critics have frequently portrayed the president as “racist” and “empowering” white supremacists in his rhetoric, his administration has now taken multiple decisive and historic steps to counter the threat of white supremacism. As the Times notes, the White House added white supremacist groups to the federal government’s National Strategy for Counterterrorism in 2018.

In the document, the administration cites nationalist and separatists movements, including specifically neo-Nazis’, as potential global threats. Below is an excerpt from a passage describing the global threat posed by such groups:


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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on April 21, 2020, 08:44:51 AM
Hopefully it is obvious to all that the travel industry is suffering. Curious has anyone seen what effect it is having on the Trump Empire?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on April 21, 2020, 10:16:56 AM
Hopefully it is obvious to all that the travel industry is suffering. Curious has anyone seen what effect it is having on the Trump Empire?

He can just use the wonderful laws of America and deep-six any problem entities ... Chapter 11 is no stranger to him
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: shakespear on May 07, 2020, 12:40:02 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/06/opinion/tara-reade-joe-biden-vote.html?smid=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR0eYKRbyWn9UsIqfxWD1tZVjLGht1ZywoaeQiUlsYaHjv4FNl3CFAy4EJI

Surprising to some, I agree with the principle expounded in this article.  I think it's a valid choice for a voter to cast his/her ballot for somebody and have questions about his character. Heck its what I did with Trump in 2016. I liked what I thought he was going to do when appointing federal judges which for me was "the greater good" instead of my concerned with his flawed personality and moral character. We are all confronted with potential "double standards" and as long you admit it that it exists its fine. It's those women who now say they believe Joe without any question are doing a real injustice to Ms Reade. The Biden archives should be opened and the truth should be made public.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on May 08, 2020, 05:29:48 AM
You mean PROPERLY 'investigated' like Kavanaugh ?..
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on May 21, 2020, 10:05:16 PM
^Give it a rest Moldy!!

Meanwhile #ObamaGate is very real!!


https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1263485044074721280.html


What say you 2TallBill, Cuffy and other real Americans?!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on May 22, 2020, 01:49:25 AM
^Give it a rest Moldy!!

Don't be a tool, Cornfed .. Come the time 'Trampu' is a busted flush and no longer President ...

Meanwhile #ObamaGate is very real!!

You mean, 'Trampu's' desperate deflect and try to throw mud elsewhere and 'electioneering' ... :yawn:

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on May 22, 2020, 10:28:18 AM
^Give it a rest Moldy!!

Don't be a tool, Cornfed .. Come the time 'Trampu' is a busted flush and no longer President ...

Meanwhile #ObamaGate is very real!!

You mean, 'Trampu's' desperate deflect and try to throw mud elsewhere and 'electioneering' ... :yawn:

Poor Moldy 💩 always confused and perennially dishonest.

Bill Cuffy and Tex, your presence is requested!!

More on “fixer” and crook Mueller:

https://deepstate.news/2018-07-05-robert-mueller-guilty-of-cover-up-of-mafia-murders-and-committed-treason-while-fbi-director.html

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on May 22, 2020, 10:32:35 AM
^Give it a rest Moldy!!

Don't be a tool, Cornfed .. Come the time 'Trampu' is a busted flush and no longer President ...

Meanwhile #ObamaGate is very real!!

You mean, 'Trampu's' desperate deflect and try to throw mud elsewhere and 'electioneering' ... :yawn:

Poor Moldy 💩 always confused and perennially dishonest.

Bill Cuffy and Tex, your presence is requested!!

More on “fixer” and crook Mueller:

https://deepstate.news/2018-07-05-robert-mueller-guilty-of-cover-up-of-mafia-murders-and-committed-treason-while-fbi-director.html


More on dirty cop Mueller:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/robert-mueller-was-the-biggest-obstacle-for-sept-11-families-who-wanted-to-sue-saudi-arabia
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on May 22, 2020, 10:43:23 AM

Meanwhile #ObamaGate is very real!!

You mean, 'Trampu's' desperate deflect and try to throw mud elsewhere and 'electioneering' ... :yawn:

Without a doubt as the American public sees more of the actions that happened when B. Obama was President D. Trump is almost seen as pragmatic and far more transparent.

The latest, is in the last days of the Obama administration was the entrapment of General M. Flynn. Before we had the cover up of Benghazi, Fast and Furious and a long list of dirty tricks hidden from the US public.

Another amazing new one is the fact that a major American law firm has paid to Y. Tymoschenko some 10 million US $ in damages. At the behest of the White House they influenced the courts and press to damage her reputation. While Goldilocks is no Girl Scout she did not  warrant this treatment by B. Obama and H. Clinton. It shows the extent that the American leaders went to keep the corrupt regime of V. Yanukovych in power.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on May 22, 2020, 09:26:01 PM
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on May 22, 2020, 10:09:21 PM
 I like her! I've seen her hold her own very well against those reporters a few times now.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on May 22, 2020, 10:20:00 PM
^Give it a rest Moldy!!

Don't be a tool, Cornfed .. Come the time 'Trampu' is a busted flush and no longer President ...


 Trump will no longer be President only when he is finished his 2nd term. Everyone saw how he took an economy that was projected to go into a recession and made it boom, do you really think people will vote him out now when the economy is going to need to be rebuilt again after this virus? They will trust the Dems to do it? Never.   :coffeeread:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on May 22, 2020, 10:35:31 PM
^Give it a rest Moldy!!

Meanwhile #ObamaGate is very real!!


https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1263485044074721280.html


What say you 2TallBill, Cuffy and other real Americans?!!

Come November I do not think anyone will care about Obama gate. The only thing the public is going to care about is who will control the virus the best. Getting people back to work, getting a vaccine, and health care. Biden is doing what he needs to. By being hidden he can not make a fool out of himself. Staying hidden and not saying anything until November will be his best chance.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on May 23, 2020, 12:31:30 AM
I like her! I've seen her hold her own very well against those reporters a few times now.  :thumbsup:

I like her so far.  I wish she was more of a counterpuncher, like in that clip. 

Susan Rice is full of shit.  She writes an email to herself on inauguration day about a meeting that took place more than 2 weeks earlier which was *entirely* self-serving - "And then the president said 'I want this done totes by the book - no 'Nixon shit'.  Everyone nodded solelmenly.  Then the president said, 'Will no one rid me of this troublesome NSA Adv...er 'priest'?"  Everyone recognized that the president was referring to George Lyttleton's 'History of the Life of King Henry the Second' and totes NOT putting a figurative hit out on Flynn, because he totes would never do that...."

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on May 23, 2020, 03:29:19 AM
I like her! I've seen her hold her own very well against those reporters a few times now.  :thumbsup:

A bit of a fitty too!  (:)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on May 23, 2020, 08:16:54 AM
I like her! I've seen her hold her own very well against those reporters a few times now.  :thumbsup:

I like her so far.  I wish she was more of a counterpuncher, like in that clip. 

Susan Rice is full of shit.  She writes an email to herself on inauguration day about a meeting that took place more than 2 weeks earlier which was *entirely* self-serving - "And then the president said 'I want this done totes by the book - no 'Nixon shit'.  Everyone nodded solelmenly.  Then the president said, 'Will no one rid me of this troublesome NSA Adv...er 'priest'?"  Everyone recognized that the president was referring to George Lyttleton's 'History of the Life of King Henry the Second' and totes NOT putting a figurative hit out on Flynn, because he totes would never do that...."

B/B

As Rand Paul states here in his letter, the unmasking of Flynn was an end run around the Constitution of the United States of America.

    
Dear Friend,

While this Memorial Day weekend will be different than others we have known, we remain forever grateful to the heroes who made the ultimate sacrifice in service to our country. 

As we honor those brave men and women this weekend, Kelley and I also want to again send our support and thanks to those now serving in our military, our veterans, and their families.

With our nation continuing to navigate the pandemic and its effects, I am staying in close contact with Kentuckians through regular telephone meetings, with my office also continuing to assist them during this time. (You can find information below on our document of federal agency actions and resources we have posted at my website, and Kentuckians can also call my Bowling Green office at 270-782-8303 for help with federal agencies and programs.)

This week, I spoke with church leaders and directors of faith-based non-profits from across the Commonwealth, and I also talked with medical professionals and other local leaders from the Pikeville area. 

I remain committed to giving voice to their concerns in Washington and making sure they are equipped with the resources they need, as well as to working to get Kentucky and the rest of the country reopen in as many areas as soon as safely possible.

Dr. Rand Paul: "Unmasking Essentially is an End Run Around the Constitution"

For my video update this week, I focused on the Obama administration's unmasking of General Flynn, the lines it crossed, and the need for reform to protect Americans' privacy.

"The left maintains that then-Vice President Joe Biden’s unmasking of General Flynn is no big deal," I said to open the video.  We're supposed to think that "[e]verybody does it.  No harm, no foul."

But I called this out for what it is, saying, "Unmasking essentially is an end run around the Constitution." 

The current secretive system uses a less-than-constitutional standard to spy on Americans instead of respecting the Fourth Amendment's standard of probable cause of a crime.

"While many will not object to having no constraint on listening to foreign nationals, certainly there should be concern about listening to conversations that foreign nationals have with presidents, national security advisors, representatives, businessmen, and even journalists," I observed.

"Unless the conversation includes dialogue planning an imminent attack on the U.S. or treason, it’s hard to imagine any national security rationale for unmasking an American, particularly a high-ranking national security advisor," I further stated.

We need to fix the system "so unmasking doesn’t happen short of a real warrant from an Article III constitutional court."

"The lesson that we should all be taking away from this," I later said, "is not 'My political opponents should not be able to spy on me without a warrant.'  The lesson should be 'NO ONE should be allowed to spy without a warrant.'"

"The difference is not small."



Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on May 23, 2020, 08:23:33 AM

Meanwhile #ObamaGate is very real!!

You mean, 'Trampu's' desperate deflect and try to throw mud elsewhere and 'electioneering' ... :yawn:

Without a doubt as the American public sees more of the actions that happened when B. Obama was President D. Trump is almost seen as pragmatic and far more transparent.

The latest, is in the last days of the Obama administration was the entrapment of General M. Flynn. Before we had the cover up of Benghazi, Fast and Furious and a long list of dirty tricks hidden from the US public.

Another amazing new one is the fact that a major American law firm has paid to Y. Tymoschenko some 10 million US $ in damages. At the behest of the White House they influenced the courts and press to damage her reputation. While Goldilocks is no Girl Scout she did not  warrant this treatment by B. Obama and H. Clinton. It shows the extent that the American leaders went to keep the corrupt regime of V. Yanukovych in power.


Excellent point and of course completely overlooked by “progressives”.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on May 23, 2020, 12:05:04 PM
It is clear that some of what we are seeing from the White House is very much in Wag The Dog territory.

The 'Obamagate' stuff whilst it might serve as a distraction is part of an ongoing process of unwinding the slow coup against the presidency and rooting out as many of the coup plotters as possible. That's something that's bound to take years.

Of course the coup plotters and allies are also busily trying to distract and deflect while at the same time protecting themselves as far as they can.

I wonder what the over/under on a civil war in the USA within the next decade might be?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on May 23, 2020, 06:12:28 PM
Even Roger Waters of Pink Floyd fame knows that Biden is a f&@cking slime ball!!

 :laugh: :laugh:


https://cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/pink-floyds-roger-waters-biden-such-fing-slimeball-hes-so-weak
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on May 24, 2020, 01:46:34 AM
Did anyone hear the biden/poroshenko leaked tape yet?

Wife seems to think its real but unusable in court cases
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on May 24, 2020, 02:43:48 AM
While Goldilocks is no Girl Scout she did not  warrant this treatment by B. Obama and H. Clinton. It shows the extent that the American leaders went to keep the corrupt regime of V. Yanukovych in power.

You 'conclusion' makes no sense on ANY level

1/ We have the. it was 'O'Bama' what brought about the 'coup' that REMOVED Yanu' , conspiracists

2/ FACT: The Ukrainian people ( maj of )  were fed up of Yanu's family franchised corruption and he was spirited away in the dead of night by  RUSSIAN GRU operatives to preevent him facing justice
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on May 24, 2020, 02:46:24 AM
Even Roger Waters of Pink Floyd fame knows that Biden is a f&@cking slime ball!!

 :laugh: :laugh:


https://cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/pink-floyds-roger-waters-biden-such-fing-slimeball-hes-so-weak

Using Roger Waters for 'validation' purposes is akin to asking us to believe David Icke is the 'Son of God' .. 

That you'd use both .... :coffeeread:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on May 24, 2020, 07:43:09 AM
Did anyone hear the biden/poroshenko leaked tape yet?

Wife seems to think its real but unusable in court cases

Is there a link?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on May 24, 2020, 07:57:07 AM
Yes there is.

What we are seeing here is that there's been more projection going on. One side accusing the other of doing that which the accuser is actually doing.

Seems to me that, as a rule of thumb, if a substantial accusation, especially with minimal or zero supporting evidence, is made then one can safely infer that the 'crime' actually belongs to the accuser.

Or, less subtly, he who smelt it dealt it.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on May 24, 2020, 08:56:05 AM

I wonder what the over/under on a civil war in the USA within the next decade might be?

No body wants to have a civil war in the US. If it gets to a point where a state wants to leave no ones wants to go to war over it any more than someone want to go to war if Scotland left. The trouble is if any state left they would have so much less than being part of the country it is not likely they will leave. California has a movement to leave the Union but it has pretty much lost traction. They would lose so many of their defense industry contracts and most of their factories. It is just a foolish dream of a few extreme liberals that never had broad support and now has even less support.

Under Trump, the USA made an important turn away from globalism and now it has become part of both parties and I do not see any going back. The liberalist that wanted their state to leave is because of this turn are now supporting it. Most of the world is just an expense to us. Going forward the USA will no longer trade with most of the world but rather have a half dozen trading partners. Of all the developed countries in the world, trade is a smallest part of our GDP and it will likely get cut further. Stuff imported from China is going to be the largest cut in short order.

This year is the last year for the last of the baby boomers to work. The last of the baby boomers turn 65 making their retirement complete. The USA has the youngest population in the developed world as we have a large group of 20 +/- year olds entering the work force that is as large as the baby boomers.  US consumption will continue as boomer retired because we have enough younger population which is not true in much of Europe, and Russia. 

The integrations of Canada and Mexico into a more tight union to where the three countries act much like one is happening. Mexico is able to produce products for less than China since wages in China have risen 9 times what they were in a decade. When products are made in China it is now coming with lot of political problems we do not need. The moving of product manufacturing to Mexico is well under way.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on May 24, 2020, 09:36:48 AM
Even Roger Waters of Pink Floyd fame knows that Biden is a f&@cking slime ball!!

 :laugh: :laugh:


https://cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/pink-floyds-roger-waters-biden-such-fing-slimeball-hes-so-weak

Using Roger Waters for 'validation' purposes is akin to asking us to believe David Icke is the 'Son of God' .. 

That you'd use both .... :coffeeread:

More attempts at off topic trolling, from moldy the Queen of Trolls.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on May 24, 2020, 09:47:43 AM
I wonder what the over/under on a civil war in the USA within the next decade might be?

There’s gonna be a small civil war right quick in Michigan if psycho Nazi- :censored:  Whitmer doesn’t back off and follow Michigan law.

In Oregon where I’m at a Baker county judge invalidated Nazi Kate Browns un-Constitutional orders, it went up to the Oregon Supreme Court and they have ordered the Baker judge to defend his decision within a few days.

In California Attorney Mark Mauser has filed 12 lawsuits against Governor Newsome and one of them is now going up to the US Supreme Court.


https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2020/05/11/militia-mobilizes-to-block-arrest-of-77-year-old-michigan-barber-who-reopened-n389860

https://www.foxnews.com/us/michigan-barbers-hairdressers-free-haircuts-defy-whitmer-coronavirus-shutdown


https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/18/kate-browns-shutdown-orders-null-and-void-oregon-c/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on May 24, 2020, 10:02:07 AM
California and CV has implications for Trump 2020:


https://www.redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2020/04/25/newsoms-75m-giveaway-to-illegals-challenged-by-legal-immigrants/

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/ag-barr-says-may-go-governors-persist-authoritarian-coronavirus-lockdown-orders/


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on May 24, 2020, 10:09:14 AM
Texan77, when your great grandpappy picked up his knapsack and wandered off to join some army or other, I rather doubt that many people woke up each day and said 'today looks like a great day for a civil war'. That didn't stop it from happening.

When enough people no longer see themselves getting the benefits they want (whatever those benefits might be) and they see another group of people as the impediment to getting those benefits then there's a good chance of physical conflict.

Everyone will say 'we don't want this to happen' but happen it will.

USAian society has many deep divisions, stuff that may well have become normalised for you and thus almost invisible or not serious. But for the people who care and maybe more easily the people looking in from outside we see those fracture lines.

I am not saying that it will happen. I am not saying that I want it to happen. I am saying that unless something happens to reduce those faultlines then the chances for conflict exist.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on May 24, 2020, 10:15:44 AM
Texan77, when your great grandpappy picked up his knapsack and wandered off to join some army or other, I rather doubt that many people woke up each day and said 'today looks like a great day for a civil war'. That didn't stop it from happening.

When enough people no longer see themselves getting the benefits they want (whatever those benefits might be) and they see another group of people as the impediment to getting those benefits then there's a good chance of physical conflict.

Everyone will say 'we don't want this to happen' but happen it will.

USAian society has many deep divisions, stuff that may well have become normalised for you and thus almost invisible or not serious. But for the people who care and maybe more easily the people looking in from outside we see those fracture lines.

There are definitely deeply fractured lines. We’re going to first go to the courts however with militia members guarding a barbers right to earn a living versus the unlawful orders of a tyrant, things could overheat very quickly.

People are seriously pissed off and there are 10 million combat veterans, approximately 80 to 90 percent of those are Trump supporters.

About 100 Million Americans own about 300 Million weapons and at least a Trillion rounds of ammunition.

So yes I believe there’s a good possibility of armed civil war within 10 years.


https://oll.libertyfund.org/pages/clausewitz-war-as-politics-by-other-means
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on May 24, 2020, 11:02:47 AM


There are definitely deeply fractured lines. We’re going to first go to the courts however with militia members guarding a barbers right to earn a living versus the unlawful orders of a tyrant, things could overheat very quickly.

When such wackjobs cannot see their actions are risking others' lives, you know there's a lot of 'invisible string' controlling these loonies


Are you butt-hurt because I point out you believe in David Icke ..?
People are seriously pissed off and there are 10 million combat veterans, approximately 80 to 90 percent of those are Trump supporters.[/quote]

So f'n what ...? ALL this proves is that there are a LOT of stupid people ( and not just in the USA )

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on May 24, 2020, 12:56:32 PM
Confederate, to be honest, I reckon the chances of a military coup are rather higher than a full blown civil war. IMHO in such a scenario there might be limited insurrections leading the military to see the best way of maintaining the national unity they are pledged to defend as being to replace the current government, move all the pieces off the table and start again.

A 'proper' civil war, notwithstanding the fantasies of blokes who wouldn't know how to use a gun in anger or be able to take another life, depends upon the armed forces splitting. That seems unlikely to me. The armed forces while having their own political issues are likley more united in the face of schism than almost all other power groups and they have the resources to enforce unity under new/different conditions.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on May 24, 2020, 01:18:09 PM
Confederate, to be honest, I reckon the chances of a military coup are rather higher than a full blown civil war. IMHO in such a scenario there might be limited insurrections leading the military to see the best way of maintaining the national unity they are pledged to defend as being to replace the current government, move all the pieces off the table and start again.

A 'proper' civil war, notwithstanding the fantasies of blokes who wouldn't know how to use a gun in anger or be able to take another life, depends upon the armed forces splitting. That seems unlikely to me. The armed forces while having their own political issues are likley more united in the face of schism than almost all other power groups and they have the resources to enforce unity under new/different conditions.

You underestimate the oath of enlistment taken by all current and former members of the armed forces:

 "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States...”
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on May 24, 2020, 02:38:17 PM
I think that you were unable to understand, or did not read, my post that you quoted.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on May 24, 2020, 03:50:09 PM

Americans are divided but we all demand a better life. We got the #1 nation. Not much to complain about so we are a long ways off from armed conflict. We may gripe about the president, Congress, and policies but ours is still better than everyone else's.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on May 24, 2020, 04:02:49 PM
Either somebody is purposefully trolling or has never traveled with his eyes open.

With this guy its really hard to tell.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on May 24, 2020, 04:20:32 PM

Americans are divided but we all demand a better life. We got the #1 nation. Not much to complain about so we are a long ways off from armed conflict. We may gripe about the president, Congress, and policies but ours is still better than everyone else's.

 :laugh:

Your country has many, many good things about it but your claims I think, are either naive or blinded by patriotism. What you posted above, explains a lot about how you form your global views & opinions.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on May 24, 2020, 04:37:14 PM
We got the #1 nation.

More fake news.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on May 24, 2020, 05:28:22 PM
I reread his words.
Is Billy along with his henchmen holding the #1 country hostage? Where are they keeping it? Which country is he referring to? He's now a citizen of the USA and that country hasn't gone missing.

So what country is he referring to?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on May 24, 2020, 06:57:55 PM
Now if you want to talk about confusion and something that looks like civil war bound from this side of the Atlantic, just talk about Brexit. I could not believe the mess you guys are in. I think the Ukraine is more civil and organized. Problems with Ireland, Scotland, and  liberals I have never seen such a mess. It is not a wonder why your GDP is dropping in world ranking is  so fast. Your military ranking plunging. Then all you guy do is complain about what is wrong with the USA.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on May 24, 2020, 07:15:36 PM
Now if you want to talk about confusion and something that looks like civil war bound from this side of the Atlantic, just talk about Brexit. I could not believe the mess you guys are in. I think the Ukraine is more civil and organized. Problems with Ireland, Scotland, and  liberals I have never seen such a mess. It is not a wonder why your GDP is dropping in world ranking is  so fast. Your military ranking plunging. Then all you guy do is complain about what is wrong with the USA.

    :ROFL:          :ROFL:            :ROFL:               :smokin:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on May 24, 2020, 07:32:28 PM
I reread his words.
Is Billy along with his henchmen holding the #1 country hostage? Where are they keeping it? Which country is he referring to? He's now a citizen of the USA and that country hasn't gone missing.

So what country is he referring to?

The USA is far from perfect, yet this is happening in most Western nations. Thank God for Sweden’s example!!

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/05/23/warpspeed/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on May 24, 2020, 09:35:25 PM
Next week the USA will exceed 40 Million on Unemployment insurance with another 10 Million gig workers in scramble mode ... 50 Million out of 170 Million workers.. nearly 30% of working adults.  University of Chicago and Stanford Univ issued a Study that 42% of those jobs are not coming back.

There will be civil unrest in the cities however at the first sign  of food riots the DoD martial law contingency plans will phase in beginning with each states National Guard.

The anger in the USA is now focused on the lying Globalists UN WTO and WHO... And especially the Communist Shocking Red Chinese... The Chi Comm phocks are about to commit political suicide by wiping out the third largest financial center in the world... Mostly with ties to the UK...

The commies are terrified and are cracking down on their people with an Iron fist.... Because they know that by murdering 100,000 Americans due to lying about the King Flu they have awoken a sleeping Giant to a terrible resolve.

The iron curtain and Berlin Wall when they came down came down quickly... There CCP has United Brazil, Mexico, Spain, Italy, UK, Russia, the USA and many more for unleashing this plague ... The CCP will come to regret what they did in conspiracy with the WHO and UN.

Best stock up your bomb shelters with survival rations, iodine and radiation masks as a Global Nuclear winter more likely as the CCP goes full psycho... More likely than a US civil war.  We are now in full cyber, economic and political
War with the CCP ... The more the CCP sabre rattles the more they are hitting the panic button.

The extent of pure Evil being forced on the Chinese People and the world by the CCP would make Hitler, Himmler and Stalin all pale in comparison.

The CCP will pay for this.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Omega1982 on May 24, 2020, 10:09:42 PM
We got the #1 nation.

More fake news.

Yes number one in virus cases virus deaths unemployed and number one in people without health insurance.  We were number one but it's all in the past. And the smart women know this. 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on May 24, 2020, 11:36:35 PM
We got the #1 nation.

More fake news.

Yes number one in virus cases virus deaths unemployed and number one in people without health insurance.  We were number one but it's all in the past. And the smart women know this.

If the woman is choosing the country, not the man, then the man is in Big Trouble.

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Omega1982 on May 25, 2020, 12:32:59 AM
Sensible women look at the whole package and consider their future.  Otherwise why leave Russia. 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on May 26, 2020, 12:16:05 PM

The anger in the USA is now focused on the lying Globalists UN WTO and WHO... And especially the Communist Shocking Red Chinese... The Chi Comm phocks are about to commit political suicide by wiping out the third largest financial center in the world... Mostly with ties to the UK...

Mikey, really?...

Then the anger is 'misplaced' ..

1/ IF the UK loses it's prestigious position it is an own goal by Brits who sought 'Brexit' and those who believed the leaving would be 'easy' and certainly they did not vote for a potential 'no deal' ..

2/ The UK seems to be reviewing the Huawei 5G influence, which would be as much kow-towing to the US..based on the 'danger' from the Chinese kit..



Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on May 27, 2020, 07:19:14 AM
Confederate, to be honest, I reckon the chances of a military coup are rather higher than a full blown civil war. IMHO in such a scenario there might be limited insurrections leading the military to see the best way of maintaining the national unity they are pledged to defend as being to replace the current government, move all the pieces off the table and start again.

A 'proper' civil war, notwithstanding the fantasies of blokes who wouldn't know how to use a gun in anger or be able to take another life, depends upon the armed forces splitting. That seems unlikely to me. The armed forces while having their own political issues are likley more united in the face of schism than almost all other power groups and they have the resources to enforce unity under new/different conditions.

Something of a guess based on realities not a fantasy of some pretend T. Clancy. A civil in The United States is unlikely. Yes there are divisions and even hatred between different groups but it is more unfocused dissatisfaction in general than any one item or unfying goal.

If the military had the will power for a coup they certainly have the means. It would be fair accompli faster than anyone could read The Grinch who Stole Christmas.

In an odd way not withstanding the complaining of N. Pelosi and a handful of wigged out Democrats The United States is more unified than six months ago. There is a broad acceptance even perhaps admiration for The President presently. One misstep in this balancing game and it will be different situation.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on May 27, 2020, 08:15:55 AM
1/ IF the UK loses it's prestigious position it is an own goal by Brits who sought 'Brexit' and those who believed the leaving would be 'easy' and certainly they did not vote for a potential 'no deal' ..

Croc of crap.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on May 27, 2020, 08:42:39 AM
1/ IF the UK loses it's prestigious position it is an own goal by Brits who sought 'Brexit' and those who believed the leaving would be 'easy' and certainly they did not vote for a potential 'no deal' ..

Croc of crap.

'Sure'
1/ 2016 Farage ( UKIP) Negotiate a bespoke UK-EU trade deal:

2/ 20189 Farage: The party's Contract With The People was unveiled during a speech in Westminster in which Mr Farage promised a "clean break" from all EU institutions.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on May 27, 2020, 08:43:52 AM
1/ IF the UK loses it's prestigious position it is an own goal by Brits who sought 'Brexit' and those who believed the leaving would be 'easy' and certainly they did not vote for a potential 'no deal' ..

Croc of crap.

Like a never ending conveyor belt of absolute dog shit.  :'(
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on June 06, 2020, 11:26:29 AM

Some folks' prayer being answered ?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on June 07, 2020, 01:14:21 PM
1/ IF the UK loses it's prestigious position it is an own goal by Brits who sought 'Brexit' and those who believed the leaving would be 'easy' and certainly they did not vote for a potential 'no deal' ..

Croc of crap.

Like a never ending conveyor belt of absolute dog shit.  :'(

A never ending stream of verbal diarrhea. Oh well, the post count is higher.  :biggrin:

Back on topic, how many of you U.K. gents think Trump has handled these riots correctly?

We already know the media will never be happy with anything he does, but seriously, any genuinely intelligent recommendations from anyone?

I would be very interested also in the opinion of 2TallBill, I miss seeing more of his posts.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on June 07, 2020, 01:19:46 PM
AG Barr refutes media’s biggest lie.


https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2020/06/07/ag-bill-barr-one-of-the-medias-big-lies-that-lafayette-park-protesters-were-peaceful/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on June 07, 2020, 01:23:13 PM
Minnesota AG screws up big time! Yet more violence to come?

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2020/06/06/minnesota-ag-keith-ellison-may-have-just-screwed-up-case-against-george-floyd-cops-n503071
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on June 07, 2020, 01:27:01 PM
Three has beens won’t support Trump, BFD, yawn.


https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2020/06/07/851194/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on June 07, 2020, 01:33:30 PM
Eight months old but SO accurate ...

https://www.redlakenationnews.com/story/2019/10/21/features/british-writer-pens-the-best-description-of-trump-ive-read/84189.html (https://www.redlakenationnews.com/story/2019/10/21/features/british-writer-pens-the-best-description-of-trump-ive-read/84189.html)

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump's limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever.

I don't say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it's a fact. He doesn't even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

And scarily, he doesn't just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It's all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.

Well, we don't. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.

Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.

He's not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.

He's more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on June 07, 2020, 01:35:50 PM
Whoops! Trump tweets something controversial, again.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-retweets-attacks-on-george-floyd-by-conservative-activist-2020-6%3famp
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on June 07, 2020, 02:38:10 PM
Back on topic, how many of you U.K. gents think Trump has handled these riots correctly?

He was unprepared for a crisis. And indecisive in a crisis. The Fox piece you posted showed us the true extent of it our media isn’t reporting.

I think Trump should have overruled Liberal state leadership that allowed the blacks to loot, burn churches and destroy businesses. He should have sent in the army (or National Guard) to solve it and not sit on his fat arse doing 0.

Now he has said he will but it’s already too late.

He was hiding in a Whitehouse bunker while Fox journalists are assaulted right outside, mob rule is in control and churches are burning?

He needs to show the leadership he is so fond of telling the world about. These blacks aren’t protesting, they’re criminals destroying the community.

Trump fiddles while DC burns. You can’t solve this by ranting in capital letters on Twitter.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on June 07, 2020, 03:58:29 PM
Most likely the former state of the economy, the impeachment/Mueller report, the rebuilding of pride in America and the response to the pandemic of Covid will be mere footnotes of The Presidency of D. Trump. Rather he will be remembered for his response to The Riots.

Not withstanding how far he has succeeded against odds that seemed almost insurmountable his response has been ineffective to the riots. For a brief moment as it appeared the Corona virus was diminishing there was glimmer of some sort of reconciliation between different divisions or fracture points. This window has closed I believe.

Having said this D. Trump has survived other debacles and emerged stronger. This time I doubt it though. The Democrats though need to run a different horse.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on June 07, 2020, 04:05:40 PM
I am sure that Team Trump understand what is going on. There will be things happening that we do not see.

If they see what is going on as being reminiscent of colour revolutions in other countries then they will probably start using similar tactics to those employed in other places that have learned to overcome such activities. So they will take a lead from Russia, Azerbaijan (as I recall), Venezuela and Syria. It is harder in the USA given that most of the media are against the government and could be considered part of the organised opposition.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on June 07, 2020, 04:21:49 PM
Back on topic, how many of you U.K. gents think Trump has handled these riots correctly?

He was unprepared for a crisis. And indecisive in a crisis. The Fox piece you posted showed us the true extent of it our media isn’t reporting.

I think Trump should have overruled Liberal state leadership that allowed the blacks to loot, burn churches and destroy businesses. He should have sent in the army (or National Guard) to solve it and not sit on his fat arse doing 0.

Now he has said he will but it’s already too late.

He was hiding in a Whitehouse bunker while Fox journalists are assaulted right outside, mob rule is in control and churches are burning?

He needs to show the leadership he is so fond of telling the world about. These blacks aren’t protesting, they’re criminals destroying the community.

Trump fiddles while DC burns. You can’t solve this by ranting in capital letters on Twitter.

Yes I agree 98%.

We’re being told he doesn’t have a right per our Constitution to send the military.

But Bill Clinton sent a military tank to take out the Waco, TX cult. They were burned alive.

Photo of looters robbing a safe from Wells Fargo.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on June 07, 2020, 05:45:16 PM
Letter to Trump

https://eraoflight.com/2020/06/07/archbishop-viganos-powerful-letter-to-president-trump-eternal-struggle-between-good-and-evil-playing-out-right-now/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 07, 2020, 10:09:37 PM
I think Trump should have overruled Liberal state leadership that allowed the blacks to loot, burn churches and destroy businesses. He should have sent in the army (or National Guard) to solve it and not sit on his fat arse doing 0.


Trump is not in control of the National Guard(citizen soldiers). The governors are. Trump offered the Democratically led States and cities federal help but they refused and if federal troops go into a city uninvited, the Mayors will not work with them on what to do and may order them off the street or risk arrest. For Trump to take control in Democratically led states and cities, he would have to declare a national emergency which will allow him to take control of the National Guard and declare martial law which would allow him to take control over States and cities.

What you see on tv isn't happening in most of America so Trump doesn't need to take extreme action. I live next to a major liberal city, Seattle. I drove around the last week and not seen one protest or rioting. Trump did the right thing and the silent majority will vote him in for a second term. If Trump's voter base cities were getting trashed and he did nothing, that would be another story.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on June 08, 2020, 12:52:39 AM
I think Trump should have overruled Liberal state leadership that allowed the blacks to loot, burn churches and destroy businesses. He should have sent in the army (or National Guard) to solve it and not sit on his fat arse doing 0.


Trump is not in control of the National Guard(citizen soldiers). The governors are. Trump offered the Democratically led States and cities federal help but they refused and if federal troops go into a city uninvited, the Mayors will not work with them on what to do and may order them off the street or risk arrest. For Trump to take control in Democratically led states and cities, he would have to declare a national emergency which will allow him to take control of the National Guard and declare martial law which would allow him to take control over States and cities.

What you see on tv isn't happening in most of America so Trump doesn't need to take extreme action. I live next to a major liberal city, Seattle. I drove around the last week and not seen one protest or rioting. Trump did the right thing and the silent majority will vote him in for a second term. If Trump's voter base cities were getting trashed and he did nothing, that would be another story.

I agree mostly with this.

Silent majority will be like: Damn glad I live in a Red state, will you just look at those idiots, and now they're disbanding the police as well.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on June 08, 2020, 03:51:09 AM
I am sure that Team Trump understand what is going on. There will be things happening that we do not see.

I wonder how much Trumps hands are tied. With it being so close to the election, team Trump might be taking chances to win the long game. If Trump had done what was needed, and came down hard on the looters both physically and vocally, you can bet your bottom dollar that the media would have called him a racist. Trump would be an enemy to black people.

It's like he was being set up and has had to take the short term pain to avoid the trap.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on June 08, 2020, 03:57:56 AM
Using the Rosco 'logic', Boris should have broken up the UK protests ? ...
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on June 08, 2020, 04:57:30 AM
I am sure that Team Trump understand what is going on. There will be things happening that we do not see.

I wonder how much Trumps hands are tied. With it being so close to the election, team Trump might be taking chances to win the long game. If Trump had done what was needed, and came down hard on the looters both physically and vocally, you can bet your bottom dollar that the media would have called him a racist. Trump would be an enemy to black people.

It's like he was being set up and has had to take the short term pain to avoid the trap.

^ This. 

Trump indicated he would act decisively if asked by the governors (which he pretty much has to do, with limited exceptions involving federal law), but the governors were not going to ask him because the majority of the looting etc. is taking place in blue states by Dem constituencies. 

If Trump takes "decisive" action?  It will lead to more drama.

Trump let's liberal constituencies burn down liberal cities in blue states?  It might as well be a long campaign film for Trump. 

Minneapolis wants to go full "Thunderdome"?  Go right ahead and see how that works out for you.  The Left is trying to have a "Cultural Revolution", but if thing keep going the way they are, they will scare the Normies right into voting Trump.

They'd better save a few buildings so that they will have some to burn down when he gets re-elected.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on June 08, 2020, 05:41:50 AM
I agree, in terms of public response Trump is boxed in, that was by design. If I am of the opinion that we are a seeing an ongoing slow coup then am certain that those with more information than I will have considered that option.

That's why I am sure that things are happening that are unseen to us right now. I am sure that there are also actions that are unseen to the coup planners and leaders although they should be well enough aware of their environment to understand the countermeasures that Team Trump might employ.

Actually, that's one reason why I think that Senile Joe is still the presumptive candidate against Trump. He is a sacrificial piece. If Michelle Obama or some other candidate was to be presented at this time, by the time the election rolls around that candidate would be badly wounded in the upcoming battles. This is about timing.

The riots started at this time so that pressure can be raised across the summer building to a crescendo with, hopefully for the opposition, a declaration of martial law by late summer/early autumn.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on June 08, 2020, 05:44:13 AM
While I am uncertain whether Trump can win another term. Certainly if you look at the economic fall out historically from riots and wide spread destruction such as we are witnessing today than it is like watching lemmings practice there diving skills.

If one doubts this look at LA after the Rodney King riots and that neighborhood.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on June 08, 2020, 10:30:12 AM
Using the Rosco 'logic', Boris should have broken up the UK protests ? ...

It wasn't on the same scale here. Mostly vandals and virtue signalling lefties. But yes, 30-40 arrests have been made, and Priti has said many more will follow. Not the same as the US where the cops stood down and let them burn the police station. But actually, I think Boris should have solved that with the army too.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on June 08, 2020, 12:08:26 PM

Using the Rosco 'logic', Boris should have broken up the UK protests ? ...

It wasn't on the same scale here. Mostly vandals and virtue signalling lefties. But yes, 30-40 arrests have been made, and Priti has said many more will follow. Not the same as the US where the cops stood down and let them burn the police station. But actually, I think Boris should have solved that with the army too.

Manny trying to suggest to others what he wishes ..

Bristol saw total lawlessness and Police were injured ..

ALL at a time when mass gatherings were banned .... for Public Health reasons ..

As I forecast, but never expecting disorder on this scale .... Cummings arrogance re rules is being repaid in spades ..

You think I'm 'gloating'...  ?   I'm F'n LIVID with the protestors selfishness..



Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: shakespear on June 08, 2020, 01:51:20 PM
They'd better save a few buildings so that they will have some to burn down when he gets re-elected.

B/B

One of my friends told me that calling the police when a crime is being committed and expecting them to come is a form of "white privilege",  I immediately scoffed it off but the more I thought about it, the more it started to make sense to me. 

We have a serious problem here.  The problem is in the black community and is not really of their own causing.  Well meaning but horribly mistaken progressive policies in dealing with the black community has completely destroyed the positive influence of the black family.  Remember the "Great Society" of LBJ?  That was the start of breaking down the black family and replacing it with the government.  Why do more that 2/3 of all black children grow up without a father in the household?

25 BLACK people were killed and another 85 wounded this weekend in Chicago.  Where is the mourning and parade for them?.  Don't their lives matter?  Apparently not.  Somehow we must break the plague of black-on-black crime in this country.   

It's not about fixing the problem.  The whole system is rotten to the core.  Until we rebuild the black family we have zero chances of permanently fixing the problem.         
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on June 08, 2020, 11:32:15 PM
. Why do more that 2/3 of all black children grow up without a father in the household?

Same as anywhere. Many blacks like pussy and spreading their seed, but don’t like work and paying bills. That isn’t uniquely a US problem. As BB wryly noted, when they were all stealing shoes recently, they weren’t stealing work boots.

Calling the cops when a crime is being committed and having them turn up is not “white privilege”, it is simply a civilised society. I’m sure there are neighbourhoods where some respectable black people live where you can call the cops and they’ll turn up too.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on June 09, 2020, 01:08:19 AM
One of my friends told me that calling the police when a crime is being committed and expecting them to come is a form of "white privilege",  I immediately scoffed it off but the more I thought about it, the more it started to make sense to me. 

Get to a deprogramming center, immediately.

And we need to start calling it "white aptitude" and not "white privilege."  Because that's what it is. 

Think it over.  Of the 7 continents, people live permanently on 6.  Of those 6, which are the least sucky?  Europe, N. America and Australia.

What to those places have in common?

I bet you can name that tune in One Note.

Asia?  What are the most modern countries there?  Japan, Taiwan and S. Korea.  Japan - the product of American post-war governance.  S. Korea?  An American protectorate.  Taiwan?  Same deal. 

That leaves S. America and Africa.  Which countries suck the least in S. America?  It's ok, you can say it: Chile and Argentina.  Uruguay maybe.  Would those be the most European?

Again, One Note.  Meanwhile, in the Dark Continent, Botswana (and Tanzania) are fairly well run, but they are the exception. 

Prove me wrong.

We have a serious problem here.  The problem is in the black community and is not really of their own causing.

You are making up excuses here.  Asians show up with no $ and no English and a generation later, their kids are the valedictorians of their graduating classes.

Why do you have such low expectations for blacks?  That's seems remarkably racist to me.  Don't they have agency?

Well meaning but horribly mistaken progressive policies in dealing with the black community has completely destroyed the positive influence of the black family.  Remember the "Great Society" of LBJ?  That was the start of breaking down the black family and replacing it with the government.  Why do more that 2/3 of all black children grow up without a father in the household?

^ This is true, but riddle me this: 12% of the population commits >50% of the murders.  There are plenty of poor whites who are born out of wedlock.  Why aren't they killing more people?  They seem to be letting the side down.

25 BLACK people were killed and another 85 wounded this weekend in Chicago.  Where is the mourning and parade for them?.  Don't their lives matter?  Apparently not.

Because they didn't get killed by white police officers.  George Floyd was pretty much a dirt bag.  His own kids didn't recognize him from the news reports because they hadn't seen him in so long.   Oops.  But now he's a martyr. 

Somehow we must break the plague of black-on-black crime in this country.

Could we solve black on white crime while we are at it?  The stats are pretty overwhelming. 

It's not about fixing the problem.  The whole system is rotten to the core.  Until we rebuild the black family we have zero chances of permanently fixing the problem.         

Who is this "we" paleface?  How are "we" going to do shit for the black family than the black family?  The "We" solving it with the Great Society hasn't exactly done much for them, has it?

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on June 09, 2020, 03:15:36 AM
Using the Rosco 'logic', Boris should have broken up the UK protests ? ...

It wasn't on the same scale here. Mostly vandals and virtue signalling lefties. But yes, 30-40 arrests have been made, and Priti has said many more will follow. Not the same as the US where the cops stood down and let them burn the police station. But actually, I think Boris should have solved that with the army too.

The Uk Gov and the police have had to back off and let the trouble makers have their days of glory, for the greater good. It's a worrying trend in western society. Political correctness and politicians protecting their political careers, by not doing what they are elected to do only brings more trouble. It should have been made clear from the start, that protests against racism are absolutely fine but anything else will not be tolerated. Instead they sent out coppers with no riot gear, thinking it would deescalate the situation. Now we have dozens of them in hospital.

If the minority can do what they want, including assaulting police offers in public without accountability, then the majority will feel that they need to pick up arms and defend themselves and their interests. I just hope that Boris has given the far left their free pass and any further violence and criminal damage gets jumped on hard. That lot over the weekend behaved worse than any football hooligans I've seen yet very little was done.

Can you imagine if they had Rangers or Leeds strips on? It would have been hit hard and fast.

Nobody in politics seems willing to condemn the timing of the protests or the behaviour that followed. Right now, anyone not virtue signalling and showing exaggerated support for the black community or criticising the events and the fallout, are automatically tagged a racist. Usually by white middle class lefty loonies too.

I think they call this fascism?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on June 09, 2020, 03:22:59 AM
. Why do more that 2/3 of all black children grow up without a father in the household?

Same as anywhere. Many blacks like pussy and spreading their seed, but don’t like work and paying bills. That isn’t uniquely a US problem. As BB wryly noted, when they were all stealing shoes recently, they weren’t stealing work boots.

Calling the cops when a crime is being committed and having them turn up is not “white privilege”, it is simply a civilised society. I’m sure there are neighbourhoods where some respectable black people live where you can call the cops and they’ll turn up too.

Bang on.

A society where its class or colour privileged to call the cops and get them to deal with a crime, is a society that's broken. We're back to the cowboy days and shooting bad folks in the street again.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on June 09, 2020, 03:28:25 AM
One of my friends told me that calling the police when a crime is being committed and expecting them to come is a form of "white privilege",  I immediately scoffed it off but the more I thought about it, the more it started to make sense to me. 

Get to a deprogramming center, immediately.

And we need to start calling it "white aptitude" and not "white privilege."  Because that's what it is. 

Think it over.  Of the 7 continents, people live permanently on 6.  Of those 6, which are the least sucky?  Europe, N. America and Australia.

What to those places have in common?

I bet you can name that tune in One Note.

Asia?  What are the most modern countries there?  Japan, Taiwan and S. Korea.  Japan - the product of American post-war governance.  S. Korea?  An American protectorate.  Taiwan?  Same deal. 

That leaves S. America and Africa.  Which countries suck the least in S. America?  It's ok, you can say it: Chile and Argentina.  Uruguay maybe.  Would those be the most European?

Again, One Note.  Meanwhile, in the Dark Continent, Botswana (and Tanzania) are fairly well run, but they are the exception. 

Prove me wrong.

We have a serious problem here.  The problem is in the black community and is not really of their own causing.

You are making up excuses here.  Asians show up with no $ and no English and a generation later, their kids are the valedictorians of their graduating classes.

Why do you have such low expectations for blacks?  That's seems remarkably racist to me.  Don't they have agency?

Well meaning but horribly mistaken progressive policies in dealing with the black community has completely destroyed the positive influence of the black family.  Remember the "Great Society" of LBJ?  That was the start of breaking down the black family and replacing it with the government.  Why do more that 2/3 of all black children grow up without a father in the household?

^ This is true, but riddle me this: 12% of the population commits >50% of the murders.  There are plenty of poor whites who are born out of wedlock.  Why aren't they killing more people?  They seem to be letting the side down.

25 BLACK people were killed and another 85 wounded this weekend in Chicago.  Where is the mourning and parade for them?.  Don't their lives matter?  Apparently not.

Because they didn't get killed by white police officers.  George Floyd was pretty much a dirt bag.  His own kids didn't recognize him from the news reports because they hadn't seen him in so long.   Oops.  But now he's a martyr. 

Somehow we must break the plague of black-on-black crime in this country.

Could we solve black on white crime while we are at it?  The stats are pretty overwhelming. 

It's not about fixing the problem.  The whole system is rotten to the core.  Until we rebuild the black family we have zero chances of permanently fixing the problem.         

Who is this "we" paleface?  How are "we" going to do shit for the black family that the black family?  The "We" solving it with the Great Society hasn't exactly done much for them, has it?

B/B

Another outstanding post B/B. The mouth breathers will find it hard to accept the truth and no doubt resort to name calling but sadly, it's absolutely spot on.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Dogsoldier on June 09, 2020, 03:39:07 AM
The virtue signallers are now pushing for the study of ‘Black History’ to be made compulsory in British schools.
What history are they whining about?
The presence of blacks in Britain in any great numbers is a post war phenomenon. No real history here.
I’m fast becoming of the opinion that pretty soon Britain won’t be somewhere I want to live and bring my kids up.
The rot is too widespread and politicians/bureaucrats/law enforcement are too scared of minority groups with agendas to uphold the rule of law.
Any dissenting voice is immediately shut down.
I very much feel western society is on the brink of terminal decline.
Those who have the means should disperse to societies where the voice of the majority still counts.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on June 09, 2020, 05:23:26 AM
The irony of DS complaining of 'dissenting voices' being 'shot down' ..given the 'regime' here of only wanting to 'hear' from 'like-minded righteous' racists is hilarious
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on June 09, 2020, 08:07:25 AM
The irony of DS complaining of 'dissenting voices' being 'shot down' ..given the 'regime' here of only wanting to 'hear' from 'like-minded righteous' racists is hilarious

What is funny (not hilarious) but also sad is you moaning about regimes. I am certain there is another forum a bookmark away and a planet an orbit away. . .
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Dogsoldier on June 09, 2020, 08:56:24 AM
The irony of DS complaining of 'dissenting voices' being 'shot down' ..given the 'regime' here of only wanting to 'hear' from 'like-minded righteous' racists is hilarious
We all know who and what you are: a red libtard muzzie apologist now adding the BLM mantra to your portfolio.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on June 09, 2020, 08:57:03 AM
The irony of DS complaining of 'dissenting voices' being 'shot down' ..given the 'regime' here of only wanting to 'hear' from 'like-minded righteous' racists is hilarious

I didn't know you were a Racist moby. I guess thats something I will have to take into account when thinking about posts.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 09, 2020, 09:08:51 AM
Why do more that 2/3 of all black children grow up without a father in the household?
     


There were times in American where blacks married and stayed married more than whites. The overwhelming majority of black children had a father in the household and he worked. Republicans fought to give minorities and women the right to vote. The Democrats wanted those votes. They offered social programs that gave free housing, free food, and more money for more kids. Some people felt they didn't need to work. Women didn't need a man in the house anymore. Marriage rates declined and divorce rates increased among blacks.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on June 09, 2020, 09:44:30 AM
One of my friends told me that calling the police when a crime is being committed and expecting them to come is a form of "white privilege",  I immediately scoffed it off but the more I thought about it, the more it started to make sense to me. 

Get to a deprogramming center, immediately.

And we need to start calling it "white aptitude" and not "white privilege."  Because that's what it is. 

Think it over.  Of the 7 continents, people live permanently on 6.  Of those 6, which are the least sucky?  Europe, N. America and Australia.

What to those places have in common?

I bet you can name that tune in One Note.

Asia?  What are the most modern countries there?  Japan, Taiwan and S. Korea.  Japan - the product of American post-war governance.  S. Korea?  An American protectorate.  Taiwan?  Same deal. 

That leaves S. America and Africa.  Which countries suck the least in S. America?  It's ok, you can say it: Chile and Argentina.  Uruguay maybe.  Would those be the most European?

Again, One Note.  Meanwhile, in the Dark Continent, Botswana (and Tanzania) are fairly well run, but they are the exception. 

Prove me wrong.

We have a serious problem here.  The problem is in the black community and is not really of their own causing.

You are making up excuses here.  Asians show up with no $ and no English and a generation later, their kids are the valedictorians of their graduating classes.

Why do you have such low expectations for blacks?  That's seems remarkably racist to me.  Don't they have agency?

Well meaning but horribly mistaken progressive policies in dealing with the black community has completely destroyed the positive influence of the black family.  Remember the "Great Society" of LBJ?  That was the start of breaking down the black family and replacing it with the government.  Why do more that 2/3 of all black children grow up without a father in the household?

^ This is true, but riddle me this: 12% of the population commits >50% of the murders.  There are plenty of poor whites who are born out of wedlock.  Why aren't they killing more people?  They seem to be letting the side down.

25 BLACK people were killed and another 85 wounded this weekend in Chicago.  Where is the mourning and parade for them?.  Don't their lives matter?  Apparently not.

Because they didn't get killed by white police officers.  George Floyd was pretty much a dirt bag.  His own kids didn't recognize him from the news reports because they hadn't seen him in so long.   Oops.  But now he's a martyr. 

Somehow we must break the plague of black-on-black crime in this country.

Could we solve black on white crime while we are at it?  The stats are pretty overwhelming. 

It's not about fixing the problem.  The whole system is rotten to the core.  Until we rebuild the black family we have zero chances of permanently fixing the problem.         

Who is this "we" paleface?  How are "we" going to do shit for the black family that the black family?  The "We" solving it with the Great Society hasn't exactly done much for them, has it?

B/B

Boom!!

Methinks this forum needs more enlightenment from the Maestro. Except for that last bit needing editing, that was brilliant.  tiphat

(I think you may have meant to say, what can we do for them, which they should not already have been doing for themselves)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on June 09, 2020, 09:54:14 AM
Why do more that 2/3 of all black children grow up without a father in the household?
     


There were times in American where blacks married and stayed married more than whites. The overwhelming majority of black children had a father in the household and he worked. Republicans fought to give minorities and women the right to vote. The Democrats wanted those votes. They offered social programs that gave free housing, free food, and more money for more kids. Some people felt they didn't need to work. Women didn't need a man in the house anymore. Marriage rates declined and divorce rates increased among blacks.


https://www.creators.com/read/walter-williams/09/17/the-welfare-states-legacy
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on June 09, 2020, 09:58:28 AM
Meanwhile in Portland...

“When Captain Dobbins asked how he hoped to triumph in such a great crusade, Declyn replied that he and his friends dress up in uniforms, march into a city to destroy shops and businesses, and intimidate others into shutting up and accepting their superior point of view.

“You’d better get on home, old man,” the anti-fascist warrior said, holding a brick. “It’s going to be a Night of Broken Glass, or as we like to say, a Kristallnacht. Down with Fascism!”


https://babylonbee.com/news/antifa-member-lectures-d-day-veteran-on-how-to-fight-fascism/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on June 09, 2020, 10:21:15 AM
And in Chicago....

Truly SMH. Abraham Lincoln statue defaced.

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/17/abraham-lincoln-monument-torched-in-chicago-an-abs/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on June 09, 2020, 10:25:50 AM
Then there is this tragedy coming out of Baltimore, Maryland. White teenager murdered in cold blood by Police SWAT team, no protests, no media recognition. In fact to add enormous insult to injury his parents have been threatened with jail if they do protest.

Duncan Lemp’s Parents Threatened With Jail For Protesting His Killing


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/duncan-lemps-parents-threatened-with-jail-for-protesting-his-killing/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on June 10, 2020, 02:50:30 PM
Meanwhile in Portland...

“When Captain Dobbins asked how he hoped to triumph in such a great crusade, Declyn replied that he and his friends dress up in uniforms, march into a city to destroy shops and businesses, and intimidate others into shutting up and accepting their superior point of view.

“You’d better get on home, old man,” the anti-fascist warrior said, holding a brick. “It’s going to be a Night of Broken Glass, or as we like to say, a Kristallnacht. Down with Fascism!”


https://babylonbee.com/news/antifa-member-lectures-d-day-veteran-on-how-to-fight-fascism/

B/B wherefore art thou?

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on June 10, 2020, 04:22:34 PM
You do know that's not real? Don't you?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on June 10, 2020, 05:00:07 PM
You do know that's not real? Don't you?

Satire is very real. Get with the times Andy!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on June 10, 2020, 05:01:34 PM
Domestic Terrorists claim victory in Seattle.

https://www.glennbeck.com/radio/seattle-police-abandon-precinct-far-left-radicals-antifa-claim-victory-inside-autonomous-zone
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on June 10, 2020, 05:16:43 PM
Fantastic Article, enjoy.

https://thefreedomarticles.com/controlled-opposition-protests-social-engineers-race-bait-switch/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on June 11, 2020, 12:01:20 AM
Fascinating documentary on urban terrorists Antifa by Trevor Louden of New Zealand.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on June 11, 2020, 02:57:16 AM

We all know who and what you are: a red libtard muzzie apologist now adding the BLM mantra to your portfolio.

'We' ?

'Sorry' to burst your ignorant bubble..( AGAIN), but I do not support any mass gathering protest movement or violence, at his time, ..no mattr what the cause.. period ..

Please try to keep up
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on June 15, 2020, 01:55:33 PM
And some good news from the leftists at Politico no less...

‘We’re thinking landslide’: Beyond D.C., GOP officials see Trump on glide path to reelection

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/were-thinking-landslide-beyond-dc-gop-officials-see-trump-on-glide-path-to-reelection/ar-BB15ujzD?ocid=spartandhp

Interviews with more than 50 state, district and county Republican Party chairs depict a version of the electoral landscape that is no worse for Trump than six months ago — and possibly even slightly better. According to this view, the coronavirus is on its way out and the economy is coming back. Polls are unreliable, Joe Biden is too frail to last, and the media still doesn’t get it.

“The more bad things happen in the country, it just solidifies support for Trump,” said Phillip Stephens, GOP chairman in Robeson County, N.C., one of several rural counties in that swing state that shifted from supporting Barack Obama in 2012 to Trump in 2016. “We’re calling him ‘Teflon Trump.’ Nothing’s going to stick, because if anything, it’s getting more exciting than it was in 2016.”

This year, Stephens said, “We’re thinking landslide.”   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on June 15, 2020, 09:23:24 PM
And some good news from the leftists at Politico no less...

‘We’re thinking landslide’: Beyond D.C., GOP officials see Trump on glide path to reelection

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/were-thinking-landslide-beyond-dc-gop-officials-see-trump-on-glide-path-to-reelection/ar-BB15ujzD?ocid=spartandhp

Interviews with more than 50 state, district and county Republican Party chairs depict a version of the electoral landscape that is no worse for Trump than six months ago — and possibly even slightly better. According to this view, the coronavirus is on its way out and the economy is coming back. Polls are unreliable, Joe Biden is too frail to last, and the media still doesn’t get it.

“The more bad things happen in the country, it just solidifies support for Trump,” said Phillip Stephens, GOP chairman in Robeson County, N.C., one of several rural counties in that swing state that shifted from supporting Barack Obama in 2012 to Trump in 2016. “We’re calling him ‘Teflon Trump.’ Nothing’s going to stick, because if anything, it’s getting more exciting than it was in 2016.”

This year, Stephens said, “We’re thinking landslide.”   :thumbsup:

You beat me to it! I was gonna post that same article, but nooooooo.  :laugh: :laugh: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: shakespear on June 22, 2020, 08:31:49 PM
Biden is running a near perfect campaign by following one of the oldest political axioms known to man -

"Never Interfere With an Enemy While He’s in the Process of Destroying Himself"
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on June 22, 2020, 08:39:35 PM
Biden is running a near perfect campaign by following one of the oldest political axioms known to man -

"Never Interfere With an Enemy While He’s in the Process of Destroying Himself"

Best thing Biden could do is find a bunker and stay in it until November 4 so no one remember how much a loser he is.  He just might won if he does that.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on June 22, 2020, 09:19:27 PM
Biden is nearly brain dead and when he speaks it's as if he is AOC's ventriloquist Dummy.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on June 23, 2020, 04:31:48 AM
Biden is nearly brain dead and when he speaks it's as if he is AOC's ventriloquist Dummy.

 :ROFL:

Yesterday they were going through a list of potential running mates for Sleazy Joe. Each one female and plenty of them black. Whilst I have no problems with women or black women for that matter, it was all just too staged for the sheep.

I couldn't care who run the country so long as they were competent. In fact they would be better dropping senile Joe and nominating one of the women!!  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on June 23, 2020, 11:15:20 AM
Biden is running a near perfect campaign by following one of the oldest political axioms known to man -

"Never Interfere With an Enemy While He’s in the Process of Destroying Himself"

You're joking, right?  All this bullshit in liberal cities where liberal mayors and governors *allow* Panty-fa and BLM  to tear shit down, harass people, etc. is nothing but looooong campaign commercial for Trump. 

He should do exactly what he's doing, which is: Let It Burn.  It's going to scare the SHIT out of the Normals.  "This is what your life will be like under Joe Biden and the Democrats..."

Trump is playing things EXACTLY correctly: Announce he's got MPs ready to assist and then let it burn.  Why?  Because if he acts on his own without invitation from the liberal pols (who are too busy wetting their pants in fear of their own voters), it will be "OMGEEEEE!! KRISTALLNACHT!!! HITLURRRR!"

Let. It. Burn.  Let the liberals deal with the mess they created.

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on June 25, 2020, 07:27:45 AM
Biden is running a near perfect campaign by following one of the oldest political axioms known to man -

"Never Interfere With an Enemy While He’s in the Process of Destroying Himself"

You're joking, right?  All this bullshit in liberal cities where liberal mayors and governors *allow* Panty-fa and BLM  to tear shit down, harass people, etc. is nothing but looooong campaign commercial for Trump. 

He should do exactly what he's doing, which is: Let It Burn.  It's going to scare the SHIT out of the Normals.  "This is what your life will be like under Joe Biden and the Democrats..."

Trump is playing things EXACTLY correctly: Announce he's got MPs ready to assist and then let it burn.  Why?  Because if he acts on his own without invitation from the liberal pols (who are too busy wetting their pants in fear of their own voters), it will be "OMGEEEEE!! KRISTALLNACHT!!! HITLURRRR!"

Let. It. Burn.  Let the liberals deal with the mess they created.

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on June 25, 2020, 07:44:22 AM
BB Completely Concur...  Yesterday Boston PBS TV interviewed Suffolk Univ director of political science on multi topic polls Covid, Economy and BLM and a full 85% of those polled... Likely BLMs ghettos and Uni Student sympaticos... A full 85% of those polled support BLM.

Think about BLM a Marxist fat Black lesbian run money laundering DNC group designed by High IQ Hebrew Professors and George Soros funded to be both a passive and active aggressive campaign to suppress the interests of heritage white European citizens in favor of savage Afro-Islamo invasive species.

The Black Looters Marauders BLM groups have been taught to yell "Do you believe Black Lives Matter?"  as they attack Non Blacks and Uniformed police by bashing in their skulls with Bricks, Cobblestones and Molotov Firebombs.

All heritage Europeans in both Europe and the Americas who support the BLM Black Looting Marxists are deranged and suicidal and a danger to themselves and their Communities.

That Means You Mobster...
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on June 25, 2020, 08:26:40 AM
Dear Mikey..

I am 'sorry' to have to remind you that I think any mass protests are selfish, given the virus, no matter what the cause..

Do try to keep up..
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on June 25, 2020, 09:32:57 AM
Appears the Chinese Bioweapon plandemic may just be a smokescreen for:

https://secure.rogueeconomics.com/?cid=MKT451513&eid=MKT473587&encryptedSnaid=1KeSIssp1YkzoUCqHyLJ2N5am%2FFZD2s7KmxS63DNDHY%3D&snaid=SAC0006021467&step=start&emailjobid=4707947&emailname=200624-PBD-Free-BBL-Chicago-Plan-Ded&assetId=AST131243&page=2
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on June 25, 2020, 01:42:08 PM

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
2h
Black Lives Matter leader states, “If U.S. doesn’t give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it”. This is Treason, Sedition, Insurrection!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 25, 2020, 02:18:29 PM
https://secure.rogueeconomics.com/?cid=MKT451513&eid=MKT473587&encryptedSnaid=1KeSIssp1YkzoUCqHyLJ2N5am%2FFZD2s7KmxS63DNDHY%3D&snaid=SAC0006021467&step=start&emailjobid=4707947&emailname=200624-PBD-Free-BBL-Chicago-Plan-Ded&assetId=AST131243&page=2


For $49 to sign up and $129 per year auto renewal, no thanks. Of course what they have to say is shocking. Nobody is going to pay hundreds of dollars for boring information.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on June 25, 2020, 04:50:33 PM
Black Lives Matter leader states, “If U.S. doesn’t give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it”. This is Treason, Sedition, Insurrection!

[Checks to see if there is still a 2nd Amendment]

"Ok....bring it on."

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on June 25, 2020, 11:34:56 PM
Appears the Chinese Bioweapon plandemic may just be a smokescreen for:

STILL posting the same l' tosh about a 'bio-weapon' being 'planned'

The Science:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
 (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9)

US intelligence community:

Hmm, they don't seem to share ( yet another ) of 'Trampu's' wacko theories ...


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on June 26, 2020, 07:26:14 AM
https://secure.rogueeconomics.com/?cid=MKT451513&eid=MKT473587&encryptedSnaid=1KeSIssp1YkzoUCqHyLJ2N5am%2FFZD2s7KmxS63DNDHY%3D&snaid=SAC0006021467&step=start&emailjobid=4707947&emailname=200624-PBD-Free-BBL-Chicago-Plan-Ded&assetId=AST131243&page=2


For $49 to sign up and $129 per year auto renewal, no thanks. Of course what they have to say is shocking. Nobody is going to pay hundreds of dollars for boring information.

Well I took the $49 deal for the reports... When y'all get 1873'd and your dollars value is cut in half or even less to wipe out $70T in debt you were forwarned...

Honestly I prefer US Treasury Greenbacks like Lincoln issued to win the Civil War... I did not know the (((Banksters))) engineered a 50% devaluation in Silver Dollars and a 10 year Russia style 90s barter economy by turning Silver Dollars into collectibles by removing coinage.

Back then a pocket full of silver dollars could buy forty acres and a team of mules... So was a big deal.   

The Sleight of hand swapping Fed Debt Bucks for US Treasury Notes and absorbing the Fed into the Treasury while wiping out all public and private debt will take the Debt yoke off all Zoomiellenials and enable a boom in family formation and future Marxist BLMantifas.

Will be quite a shock to global systems so some BTC, LTC and Monero a good idea.

As far as boring goes let's see how boring it gets when 45 Million unemployed Americans run out of Fed food, health and Mortgage PPP.. might want to ammo up as well.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on July 08, 2020, 04:24:25 PM
Trump makes comeback.

The economy is in the dump, virus out of control Donald make a 6 point comeback.

The poll found Biden's lead has narrowed from last month's bump, where Trump was trailing the former Vice President by 10 points.

 

"I think a four point lead should be very concerning," Democratic pollster and founding partner at Hit Strategies, Terrance Woodbury, told Hill.TV.

"We know the enthusiasm gaps between Biden and Trump, with Trump's supporters being very enthusiastic and insistent on voting for him, margins that close are problematic," Woodbury added.

A recent USA Today-Suffolk poll found half of Trump supporters said they were "very excited" to vote for the President while 27 percent of Biden supporters said the same.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poll-biden-leads-trump-by-4-percentage-points-in-general-election-match-up/ar-BB16vfYV?li=BB141NW3
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on July 08, 2020, 08:03:38 PM

Last month this poll and others had Biden leading Trump by double digits and the media was spreading rumors Trump is going to throw in the towel. Now the poll has Biden leading by 4%. Hillary was up 4% on Trump election day 2016.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on July 09, 2020, 01:18:41 AM
People are starting to figure out that all the violence, vandalism and crime are what Joe Biden's America are going to look like. 

Wait until these assholes have a "friend in the White House."

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on July 09, 2020, 04:17:32 PM
So what is Biden doing with these new numbers. He is traying to out Trump, Donald Trump. Like he will be harder on China than Trump, He will bring the economy back better than Trump, He will be better for the stock market than Trump. He will invest more money in new invocations and bring US companies back better than Trump. 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on July 10, 2020, 01:34:54 PM
Trump accuses Biden of plagiarizing his economic plan.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-accuses-biden-of-plagiarizing-his-economic-proposals/ar-BB16AnZm?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U218DHP
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on July 14, 2020, 05:53:43 AM
People are starting to figure out that all the violence, vandalism and crime are what Joe Biden's America are going to look like. 

Wait until these assholes have a "friend in the White House."



Hmm, I wasn't aware the Democrats were running the White House or the Senate ... 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on July 14, 2020, 12:31:20 PM
People are starting to figure out that all the violence, vandalism and crime are what Joe Biden's America are going to look like. 

Wait until these assholes have a "friend in the White House."



Hmm, I wasn't aware the Democrats were running the White House or the Senate ...

"Wait until" is future tense Mr Natural English.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on July 14, 2020, 03:14:02 PM
https://metro.co.uk/2020/07/14/donald-trump-blames-barack-obama-stopping-testing-bizarre-coronavirus-rant-12988462/

Is Trump 's bizarre behaviour ( and bizarre it is) a sign he is suffering from Dementia?

An article in the UK press.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on July 14, 2020, 03:17:07 PM


"Wait until" is future tense Mr Natural English.

 :ROFL:

You might like to re-read my post..

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on July 14, 2020, 04:54:54 PM


"Wait until" is future tense Mr Natural English.

 :ROFL:

You might like to re-read my post..

As usual, you’re wrong. Learn your own language.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on July 14, 2020, 06:15:59 PM
People are starting to figure out that all the violence, vandalism and crime are what Joe Biden's America are going to look like. 

Wait until these assholes have a "friend in the White House."

Hmm, I wasn't aware the Democrats were running the White House or the Senate ...

There are quite a few things of which you are unaware.  But as you are ignorant, I will educate you; read on.

As usual, you’re wrong. Learn your own language.

In this case Mohabi is wrong in an all new way.  He makes a (non) point in response that "But Trump is in the WH and the GOP controls the Senate NOW!!!" gleeful in the hope that this violence can somehow be laid at the feet of Trump, et. al.

It cannot. 

What he fails to account for is that the US operates under a federal system in which the police power, among other things, is reserved to the states.  Thus, the vandalism, violence, arson and murder we have seen in Minneapolis, Seattle, Atlanta and elsewhere is entirely the responsibility of state and local officials to deal with, in the first instance- and ti is taking place in blue (left-wing in the US) states or in deep blue cities in red states (such as Georgia, where the Governor finally acted).  What is clear is the the Left is terrified of their own voters, and won't act against them which only emboldens the bad elements.  Trump offered 800 MPs to help them (under a Biden presidency, this would not have been offered), and he *could*, in theory, invoke the Insurrection Act.  That's actually rare, and it certainly suits Trump to let the Left destroy itself. 

The other, larger problem under a Biden presidency is the far greater likelihood of prosecution of police under the guise of "civil rights" violations, thus making the police second guess themselves and emboldening the antifa crowd. 

The circuit atty in St. Louis served a warrant on the McCloskeys (St. Louis gun couple) and seized the husband's rifle - luckily they are affluent enough to afford armed security.  They are actually likely to be indicted - for what?  Defending themselves and not allowing Mrs McCloskey to be raped and the both of them murdered?

A Biden DOJ would be this, writ large, which is bad news for the law-abiding citizen.  Atty General Barr would be far more likely to prosecute (when possible) the criminal elements on the Left.

B/B



Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on July 14, 2020, 09:38:58 PM


There are quite a few things of which you are unaware.  But as you are ignorant, I will educate you; read on.

B.B, I have a lot of experience of a form of dementia and the article made sense. You should join me in being VERY scared of that man with the 'football's' behaviour.

Despite Manny's serial fails on the English front and your attempt to 'educate' me deflect from 'Trampu's' fails that ensured this latest mess ..

Sadly, for you, I DO recall 'Trampu's' campaign to belittle San Francisco 49ers quarterback Kaepernick and trying to ruin ruin his career and subsequently Megan Rapinoe taking solidarity and the US football ( 'soccer') ban on ' taking the knee' ( claiming it was 'disrespectful')

The Floyd incident was a culmination of 'Trampu' misreading ( badly) and years of allowing poorly trained Policemen to continue to serve with lousy disciplinary records ( which a GOOD  leader)  - instead of campaigning to get one man fired ..should have been addressing.

'Trampu' with the bible at the Church ( opp the White House )and his insane speeches / Tweets should be ringing alarms bells.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on July 14, 2020, 11:52:24 PM
 Trump will win by a landslide this time around, even more so than the last election. There's going to be a lot of people in those Democrat States who are going to be pissed at their Governors for letting a handful of people ruin their lives with those riots. And after what Trump did to the economy and unemployment in his first term they'll trust him to do it again after covid. It's a no brainer.
 The only bad side to all of this is we will have to listen to Moby whine about him for another 4 more years!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on July 15, 2020, 01:48:45 AM
I have a lot of experience of a form of dementia ....

First hand, no doubt.

You should join me in being VERY scared of that man with the 'football's' behaviour.

Trump cut taxes, forced China to the negotiation table on trade, attempted to rein in illegal immigration and has been a friend to gun owners and law-abiding citizens.  I can only hope he is re-elected and we have an additional 4 year reprieve from governance by America-hating Dems.

Sadly, for you, I DO recall 'Trampu's' campaign to belittle San Francisco 49ers quarterback Kaepernick and trying to ruin ruin his career and subsequently Megan Rapinoe taking solidarity and the US football ( 'soccer') ban on ' taking the knee' ( claiming it was 'disrespectful')

^ Is this somehow relevant to American federalism?  Or is this more of your first-hand experience with dementia?

Kneeling during the anthem is intentionally being disrespectful, despite the claim that it is not.  It is done in an effort to provoke.

The Floyd incident was a culmination of 'Trampu' misreading ( badly) and years of allowing poorly trained Policemen to continue to serve with lousy disciplinary records ( which a GOOD  leader)  - instead of campaigning to get one man fired ..should have been addressing.

The "Floyd Incident" had zip to do with Trump, unless you think Trump told the cop to kneel on Floyd's neck for 7 minutes and kill him. 

The police power is not up to Trump to address; as I pointed out - kindly re-read, more slowly this time - that is reserved to the states, etc.  Also, you seem to be pushing the fallacy that Trump spent a significant amount of time "campaigning" to get Kaepernick fired, which simply isn't true, but when has that stopped you before?  He has certainly commented on Kaepernick's protests tantrums as an item of general interest, but that's it.

'Trampu' with the bible at the Church ( opp the White House )and his insane speeches / Tweets should be ringing alarms bells.

This may be a shock to you, given your excessive narcissism, but you were not the intended audience for the photo op. 

And the problem is not "Oh, Trump didn't do this or did to that," the problem is that the American Left is now controlled by 'progressives' who are largely Marxist and openly hostile to the United States, it's culture, capitalism, and, so often from the looks of them, bathing and personal grooming.  As I have said before, there are few groups more Anti-American than the American Left.

The wacko Left has succeeded in creating fringe groups of entitled losers who want to burn everything down because they are (a) entitled, and (b) losers.  We are now seeing the Left's hostility to Western culture in vandalizing/tearing down statues of, well, just about anybody.  The statue of Matthias Baldwin in Philadelphia was defaced - Baldwin was an abolitionist some 30 years before it was cool, but the folks doing this stuff are ignorant of history.  Even the memorial to the Massachusetts 54th Regiment - the first unit made up of free black volunteers to fight in the Civil War was vandalized - the Demented Left not only does not understand history, they don't CARE that they are ignorant morons.

^ This will be Joe Biden's America.

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on July 15, 2020, 03:56:45 AM

I have a lot of experience of a form of dementia ....

First hand, no doubt.

Naturally, but the subject being my Mother .. IF such things are inherited, neither of her parents, nor sl. younger sister had shown such symptoms ....  :coffeeread:


I realise you are butt-hurt at any suggestion your President is nuts, but let's try to stick to his clearly bizarre behaviour and outbursts



You should join me in being VERY scared of that man with the 'football's' behaviour.

Trump cut taxes, forced China to the negotiation table on trade, attempted to rein in illegal immigration and has been a friend to gun owners and law-abiding citizens.  I can only hope he is re-elected and we have an additional 4 year reprieve from governance by America-hating Dems.

'Trampu' inherited an improving economy and falling unemployment ... the same as any western leader ..irrespective of policy .. this virus saved him from the fall that was already clear ..

His dealings with China don't seem to have done anything other than preciopiate a word wide recession

Sadly, for you, I DO recall 'Trampu's' campaign to belittle San Francisco 49ers quarterback Kaepernick and trying to ruin ruin his career and subsequently Megan Rapinoe taking solidarity and the US football ( 'soccer') ban on ' taking the knee' ( claiming it was 'disrespectful')

^ Is this somehow relevant to American federalism?  Or is this more of your first-hand experience with dementia?

It's related to his ( your ) being totally out of touch ...pushing the buttons and being shocked at the push back

Kneeling during the anthem is intentionally being disrespectful, despite the claim that it is not.  It is done in an effort to provoke.

So YOU suggest.. proving my point

The Floyd incident was a culmination of 'Trampu' misreading ( badly) and years of allowing poorly trained Policemen to continue to serve with lousy disciplinary records ( which a GOOD  leader)  - instead of campaigning to get one man fired ..should have been addressing.

The "Floyd Incident" had zip to do with Trump, unless you think Trump told the cop to kneel on Floyd's neck for 7 minutes and kill him. 

It had everything to do with a stance 'Trampu' represents and lack of will to fix

The police power is not up to Trump to address; as I pointed out - kindly re-read, more slowly this time - that is reserved to the states, etc.  Also, you seem to be pushing the fallacy that Trump spent a significant amount of time "campaigning" to get Kaepernick fired, which simply isn't true, but when has that stopped you before?  He has certainly commented on Kaepernick's protests tantrums as an item of general interest, but that's it.

He most certainly did spend a lot of time on Kaepernick's  and your denial is telling

A Presidents job is to carry the country to support his will to change things for the better .. I see a divisive President presiding over a mess from 'BLM' to the virus... he is the 'figurehead'

'Trampu' with the bible at the Church ( opp the White House )and his insane speeches / Tweets should be ringing alarms bells.


This may be a shock to you, given your excessive narcissism, but you were not the intended audience for the photo op. 

Who was? It was a huge fail .. Interesting that you would resort to the," Your're not a citizen", hands over ears approach while offering YOUR opinion as to issues with child molestation in the UK ? ... :coffeeread:



And the problem is not "Oh, Trump didn't do this or did to that," the problem is that the American Left is now controlled by 'progressives' who are largely Marxist and openly hostile to the United States, it's culture, capitalism, and, so often from the looks of them, bathing and personal grooming.  As I have said before, there are few groups more Anti-American than the American Left.

The wacko Left has succeeded in creating fringe groups of entitled losers who want to burn everything down because they are (a) entitled, and (b) losers.  We are now seeing the Left's hostility to Western culture in vandalizing/tearing down statues of, well, just about anybody.  The statue of Matthias Baldwin in Philadelphia was defaced - Baldwin was an abolitionist some 30 years before it was cool, but the folks doing this stuff are ignorant of history.  Even the memorial to the Massachusetts 54th Regiment - the first unit made up of free black volunteers to fight in the Civil War was vandalized - the Demented Left not only does not understand history, they don't CARE that they are ignorant morons.

^ This will be Joe Biden's America.

B/B

I think that was more of a rant that factual

Your nation's Trade Unions have more power than ours did before Maggie broke their backs ..

I'm no fan of the alternative to 'Trampu', either ..

That our respective nations have a paucity of decent candidates for leadership is telling

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on July 15, 2020, 05:53:41 AM

Trump cut taxes, forced China to the negotiation table on trade, attempted to rein in illegal immigration and has been a friend to gun owners and law-abiding citizens.  I can only hope he is re-elected and we have an additional 4 year reprieve from governance by America-hating Dems.

^ This will be Joe Biden's America.

B/B

Well stated.

Sadly there is a vocal part of society that is willfully ignorant or have a mission to destroy the good with what they believe is the bad. Often they dress there ignorance with ifs and buts. The only but is they remain destructive and lacking insight and perspective. 

What is disturbing is there lack of empathy and there feeling of entitlement.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on July 15, 2020, 11:00:27 AM
In Houston the mayor of the city said the city was not ready to reopen because the virus was still too much out of control. The GOP governor with Trump's encouragement said the city had to reopen. Now the city is over run with virus cases with Hospitals over run.

If you compare death rates any where in Asia and Europe the USA is now just about dead last. If you compare hospitals and icu spare capacity we have none. Yes Hong Kong maybe shut down again but it is nothing like Houston. With this current memory now people are thinking about school where the same thing is happening that happen to the city. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/majority-opposes-trump-administration-demand-that-schools-reopen-poll/ar-BB16LtA3?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=U218DHP

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on July 15, 2020, 01:31:06 PM
I realise you are butt-hurt at any suggestion your President is nuts...

Not at all.  The leap to ad hominems is to be expected from you.

'Trampu' inherited an improving economy and falling unemployment ... the same as any western leader ..irrespective of policy .. this virus saved him from the fall that was already clear ..

The virus has kept him from sailing onward and upward and coasted to re-election. 

His dealings with China don't seem to have done anything other than preciopiate a word wide recession

^ This is, in the legal biz, what we refer to as a "declarative statement".  It is unsupported by evidence - which is intentional, ofc. 

If anything caused the recession it was China's utter failure to contain the virus in Wuhan – they let 5M people leave and travel around the country for Chinese New Year, because: New Year.  When Chinese laboratories identified a mystery, highly infectious disease, the government ordered them to stop testing, destroy samples, delete lab work and suppress the news.  Doctors were not allowed to report cases they encountered and were silenced from communicating among themselves, and in some cases fired from their jobs.  How negligent was China?  Pretty negligent, as it turns out: “If {non-pharmaceutical interventions} could have been conducted one week, two weeks, or three weeks earlier in China, cases could have been reduced by 66%, 86%, and 95%, respectively, together with significantly reducing the number of affected areas.” (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.03.20029843v3) 


It's related to his ( your ) being totally out of touch ...pushing the buttons and being shocked at the push back

So not related to American federalism at all.  Just another, typical Mohabi SWERVE!

So YOU suggest.. proving my point

Nah, just straight facts.  He worked with Nate Boyer to find something "less disrespectful" than sitting during the anthem which he had previously done, so what does that imply?  It means he knew he was being disrespectful.

It had everything to do with a stance 'Trampu' represents and lack of will to fix

Again, you do not understand American federalism.

He most certainly did spend a lot of time on Kaepernick's  and your denial is telling

This is another "declarative statement".  Trump tweeted about Kap and talked about it...but demonstrate that he spent a large portion of his discretionary time on this. 


A Presidents job is to carry the country to support his will to change things for the better .. I see a divisive President presiding over a mess from 'BLM' to the virus... he is the 'figurehead'

You see what you want to see.  I see a president who cut taxes on the productive, he attempted to solve illegal immigration - and who does the influx of illegals hurt?  The pool of low-skill labor. 

I don't know why the Left hates the working poor, but they clearly do, because they value the illegal immigrants over US citizens who are struggling.

Trump also re-worked NAFTA, shifting the global supply chain towards the bloc.

Trump also forced China - which has had us on a slow bleed for 40+ years - to the table to negotiate a more fair relationship.  Trump has China shitting their pants over decoupling.  Google moved its manufacturing to Viet Nam.  China may be faced with the prospect of becoming the next Japan or the next Thailand.

Who was? It was a huge fail ..

A "huge fail" according to WHO?  People who hate Trump anyway?


Interesting that you would resort to the," Your're not a citizen", hands over ears approach while offering YOUR opinion as to issues with child molestation in the UK ? ... :coffeeread:

^ This is, yet again, irrelevant.  I said you were not the intended audience, but the intended audience was not based on American citizenship. 

I think that was more of a rant that factual ...

You're wrong, ofc, but why stop now?

The statues/memorials I mentioned were defaced.  This is factual.  Had people properly understood history, they would not have been. 

The wacko Left is, in fact, hostile to western culture.  This has been clear for decades (https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/hey-hey-ho-ho-western-civ-has-got-go/).  We have recently seen attacks on Christian churches coming from the left.  If it was really about "black lives" then the attacks on statues would have stopped with the CSA generals, but it was never about "black lives".

Your nation's Trade Unions have more power than ours did before Maggie broke their backs .

LOL.  We can add this to the "List of things Moby is Wrong About."  I have actually BEEN in a trade union.  The union movement is quite weak here now - how weak?  Even I, a rock-ribbed capitalist, think it would be better if we had stronger (and less corrupt) unions.

At any rate, work summons me.  At this point, insofor as I thin you are intellectually irredeemable, I am content to go about my business and simply let you be wrong.

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on July 15, 2020, 04:49:39 PM
 Hoby's still trying to claim that Trump never had anything to do with the booming economy, yet a recession was projected to come for whoever won. Here is an article saying so before he was elected...

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/business/dealbook/what-happens-to-the-markets-if-donald-trump-wins.html

Putting aside their personalities and policy proposals, it will likely not matter who the next president is when it comes to where markets go,” Mr. Boockvar wrote in a note to clients. “As we are in the second-longest bull market of all time, and as we approach the eighth year of this economic expansion,” he wrote, “odds are high that whoever the next president is, they will preside over a recession, a bear market and rising debts and deficits.”

 There was no recession after he got elected, there was a boom... all because of him. Financial analysts admitted he was the cause of it, but Moby never will. And lets see what happens in the next year or two where America is going to stand compared to the rest of the world after this virus lockdown. They are in a lot better position to weather a recession than any other countries in the world, us here in Canada included. We and most other countries were already sliding into a recession before the virus hit, we are going to be in big trouble, they will not be because of how strong Trump made them since he got elected.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on July 16, 2020, 04:47:06 AM

Not at all.  The leap to ad hominems is to be expected from you.

Ah, if only that was even a point you aren't guilty of .. " first hand experience" re Alzheimer's, eh ?  :coffeeread:

The virus has kept him from sailing onward and upward and coasted to re-election. 

I readily concede the other guy is as bad and the choice is rotten.

It is unsupported by evidence - which is intentional, ofc. 

Let me, your honour, correct you..

1/ Spratly islands .. has sending 'gunboats' discouraged China from building airfields and military bases in the South China Sea in a place where they are about the last nation to have any claim

2/ Has 'Trampu' had any influence on China's treatment of 'Muzzies' in the NW or oppressing democracy in HK

3/ Tell us the US corporations that have pulled their manufacturing from China ?

If anything caused the recession it was China's utter failure to contain the virus in Wuhan – they let 5M people leave and travel around the country for Chinese New Year, because: New Year.  When Chinese laboratories identified a mystery, highly infectious disease, the government ordered them to stop testing, destroy samples, delete lab work and suppress the news.  Doctors were not allowed to report cases they encountered and were silenced from communicating among themselves, and in some cases fired from their jobs.  How negligent was China?  Pretty negligent, as it turns out: “If {non-pharmaceutical interventions} could have been conducted one week, two weeks, or three weeks earlier in China, cases could have been reduced by 66%, 86%, and 95%, respectively, together with significantly reducing the number of affected areas.” (https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.03.20029843v3)   

The world was already slowing down before COVID-19 - my point being it has let 'Trampu' off the hook.

I am sure the Chinese did try to cover up suggestions of a new virus , I'm just not convinced if it had anything to do with the Wuhan Labs .. given there is a sizeable scientific feeling that the virus did indeed cross from bats in western China..

So not related to American federalism at all.  Just another, typical Mohabi SWERVE!

 :chuckle: If you wish to 'cover your ears ' as to reality on the ground ...


So YOU suggest.. proving my point

Nah, just straight facts.  He worked with Nate Boyer to find something "less disrespectful" than sitting during the anthem which he had previously done, so what does that imply?  It means he knew he was being disrespectful.

I had no idea who Nate Boyer is, had to look him up ... and so YOU still think folks 'taking the knee' aren't patriotic seeking change that they believe would be good, for their respective nations ? ..THAT is what I meant by being out of touch.  Again, I can't see how being violent and looting solves anything ..other than hardening attitudes .







It had everything to do with a stance 'Trampu' represents and lack of will to fix

Again, you do not understand American federalism.

I understand an excuse not to change things when I see one ...  You, like your President has 'taken affront' ..

He most certainly did spend a lot of time on Kaepernick's  and your denial is telling

This is another "declarative statement".  Trump tweeted about Kap and talked about it...but demonstrate that he spent a large portion of his discretionary time on this. 

Sighs..

He spent a lot of time commenting and speech making and ensuring Mr K's career would be finished .. now, it's blowback time ..he totally misread the situation and now we have proof positive of same.. Corporations know where their profits come from .. they seem  A LOT more switched on to reality ..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/09/27/trump-promised-black-voters-equal-justice-thats-all-kaepernick-wants/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/09/27/trump-promised-black-voters-equal-justice-thats-all-kaepernick-wants/)

Not only did he try to get the NFL to ostercise Mr K, but he tried and FAILED re the US ladies' football ( 'soccer')  team- who rubbed his nose in it by winning ;)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/american-football/53040062
 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/american-football/53040062)

'Trampu' will not watch NFL 'soccer games' .. I'm sure his 'auto-suggestion' will have the franchise owners quaking ..

Gosh, the Washington Redskins & Cleveland Indians will be renamed in spite of 'Trampu' ..
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-redskins-name-washington-nfl-culture-war-a9616396.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-redskins-name-washington-nfl-culture-war-a9616396.html)



A Presidents job is to carry the country to support his will to change things for the better .. I see a divisive President presiding over a mess from 'BLM' to the virus... he is the 'figurehead'

You see what you want to see.  I see a president who cut taxes on the productive, he attempted to solve illegal immigration - and who does the influx of illegals hurt?  The pool of low-skill labor.

I see a President who is out of touch with reality and erecting walls won't fix the issue. 

Part II later .. on hold to the French consulate in Moscow... 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on July 16, 2020, 05:16:44 AM


 There was no recession after he got elected, there was a boom... all because of him.

 :'(

Given that I keep reading how 'O'Bama ' f'd things up and 'Trampu' 'made it better' I've news for you ..

Try comparing the UK and UK's unemployment stats for 2006- 2018..

Note how they match given differing leadership.

We have macro economies ...  irrespective of leadership / policy ( other than stupid trade wars or real ones)...transient leaders / policy tends not to make a big difference .

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on July 16, 2020, 10:11:25 AM
Ancient Wisdom:

You can judge a man CiC Trump by his enemies...

Since Mobgina is a total minger in league with the most extreme ISIS islamists and leftist CCP BLM Pantyfas therefore a traitor to his clan crown and country and a great bulls eye for 5 Eyes Patriots sworn to defend (KILL) both Foreign and Domestic enemies... He should never tresspass in any major 5 Eyes countries especially those with massive numbers of trained and disciplined combat veterans and their highly trained sons and daughters...
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on July 16, 2020, 01:07:12 PM


 There was no recession after he got elected, there was a boom... all because of him.

 :'(

Given that I keep reading how 'O'Bama ' f'd things up and 'Trampu' 'made it better' I've news for you ..

Try comparing the UK and UK's unemployment stats for 2006- 2018..

Note how they match given differing leadership.

We have macro economies ...  irrespective of leadership / policy ( other than stupid trade wars or real ones)...transient leaders / policy tends not to make a big difference .

 Nothing you posted above has anything to do with what I said, that the US was slated to go into recession when Trump got in yet it never. If policy tends not to make a difference then why didn't the recession happen as was projected? Trump showed that policies DO make a difference, even his opponents grudgingly had to admit it. But some people are too thick to see it and admit it
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on July 16, 2020, 07:51:47 PM
{Words}

Mohabi, I can explain things to you, but I cannot understand them for you.  Doing so is a waste of my time.

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on July 17, 2020, 03:08:50 AM
{Words}

Mohabi, I can explain things to you, but I cannot understand them for you.  Doing so is a waste of my time.

B/B

 tiphat
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on July 17, 2020, 04:09:47 AM


 Nothing you posted above has anything to do with what I said, that the US was slated to go into recession when Trump got in yet it never.

So much for your 'experts'..  The recovery from 2007/8 continued in the US, UK ...

As we BOTH know the issue is folks still believing 'Trampu's' policies made anything 'better'
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on July 17, 2020, 06:27:50 PM
Trumps latest ad. I thought of doing something like this myself because it so simple ad to make but it hits the nail on the head.


https://secure.winred.com/tmagac/july-ad-blitz-fund?amount=5&amt1=5&amt2=10&amt3=15&amt4=20&amt5=100&amt6=500&amt7=2800&utm_medium=email&utm_source=ET_16&utm_campaign=20200717_45040_july20-ad-blitz-destroying-fwd-nd_donaldjtrump_tmagac&utm_content=gop_direct-ask_image_contribute_main_5_nd
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on July 17, 2020, 08:03:49 PM


 Nothing you posted above has anything to do with what I said, that the US was slated to go into recession when Trump got in yet it never.

So much for your 'experts'..  The recovery from 2007/8 continued in the US, UK ...

As we BOTH know the issue is folks still believing 'Trampu's' policies made anything 'better'

Mohabi Mangina the Jack of all Offs and the master of NOTHING.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on July 17, 2020, 09:54:28 PM


 Nothing you posted above has anything to do with what I said, that the US was slated to go into recession when Trump got in yet it never.

So much for your 'experts'..  The recovery from 2007/8 continued in the US, UK ...


 The recovery didn't continue here in Canada, or Spain, France, Italy, Germany. In fact all were slipping into recession. So it's not like the whole world was doing good anyways like you are trying to imply. UK was just doing a better job than all of us... like the US was. Hmmmm, come to think if it, didn't the UK just relieve themselves of some deadbeats who were sucking the life out of them which gave their economy a boost? Kind of like Trump did for the US?   :laugh:



As we BOTH know the issue is folks still believing 'Trampu's' policies made anything 'better'


 Noooo, what we BOTH know that you would rather get dipped in boiling oil and die a slow painful death rather than admit that Trump did something good for the US!




 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on July 18, 2020, 12:04:28 AM


 Noooo, what we BOTH know that you would rather get dipped in boiling oil and die a slow painful death rather than admit that Trump did something good for the US!

What 'good' ?  He's overseen your nation become more decisive .

 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on July 18, 2020, 01:17:13 PM


 Noooo, what we BOTH know that you would rather get dipped in boiling oil and die a slow painful death rather than admit that Trump did something good for the US!

What 'good' ?  He's overseen your nation become more decisive .

 He has overseen nothing for us, our leaders do that. And Canada is a good example to show that actually. When 2008 hit we never felt that recession, in fact we had a booming economy that never started slowing down until 2015.  Everyone was short on workers, wages were going up, real estate was going up, there was lots of money in the pockets of people here. And what changed then? Trudeau and the Liberals got in. Harper and the Conservatives were voted out. Now look where we are, as we speak Trudeau is  being investigated for the 3rd time by the ethics commision for yet another scandal, he has ruined our trade with every major trade partner we have, Canada's credit score has been dropped, people now own homes that have depreciated about 30% in value since he got in, making them owe more money on it than what they are worth, and our unemployment is soaring.
 So don't try to tell me the Trump has anything to do with what is going on here in Canada, our troubles stem from our weak, crooked socialist govt who are strangling us. How we got through 2008 with the Conservative govt and where we are today with the Liberal govt shows you that.

 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on July 18, 2020, 11:38:53 PM


What 'good' ?  He's overseen your nation become more decVisive .


That was one hell of a typo I overlooked

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on July 19, 2020, 08:21:39 PM

 Noooo, what we BOTH know that you would rather get dipped in boiling oil and die a slow painful death rather than admit that Trump did something good for the US!

What 'good' ?  He's overseen your nation become more decisive .

Since ms only speaks 'natural English' here is the meaning of decisive for edification.

adjective: decisive
settling an issue; producing a definite result.

From the Oxford dictionary.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on July 20, 2020, 01:34:28 PM
DiVisive

But you knew that, AvHdB  :coffeeread:


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on July 20, 2020, 04:52:19 PM
DiVisive

But you knew that, AvHdB  :coffeeread:

Since you are good at claiming refunds, perhaps you can get one for your education.  :popcorn: 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on July 20, 2020, 05:58:37 PM
DiVisive

But you knew that, AvHdB  :coffeeread:

Since you are good at claiming refunds, perhaps you can get one for your education.  :popcorn: 


 :ROFL:  :ROFL:  :ROFL:  tiphat  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on July 21, 2020, 09:56:53 AM
Biden keeps saying he will take care of workers. If he gets elected there will not be many workers to take care of. He can not make the connect between wall street and jobs.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on July 21, 2020, 03:59:14 PM
DiVisive

But you knew that, AvHdB  :coffeeread:

Since you are good at claiming refunds, perhaps you can get one for your education.  :popcorn: 

I am sure that he only got the free stuff!
Worth every penny he paid for it.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on July 28, 2020, 08:15:08 PM
 Police tell the Dems... if you want to defund us and handcuff us when we are trying to do our job then fine, guard yourselves at the DNC convention! Good for them!  :chuckle:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-over-100-police-agencies-pull-out-of-agreements-to-guard-dnc-convention/

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on July 28, 2020, 08:46:05 PM
Police tell the Dems... if you want to defund us and handcuff us when we are trying to do our job then fine, guard yourselves at the DNC convention! Good for them!  :chuckle:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-over-100-police-agencies-pull-out-of-agreements-to-guard-dnc-convention/

There is an expression regarding paybacks. In this situation it is more like find your lolly pop and suck it to you come.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on July 29, 2020, 04:02:33 PM
High Expectations: Why Trump Will Defeat Biden

Trump is not nearly as far behind as the polls indicate. Some of the skewing in the polls and the impact on Trump’s chances is described in this article by Brian Freeman in Newsmax from July 19:

“Media polls are deliberately underplaying Republican voters by as much as 9% to give the false impression that President Donald Trump is well behind in the race for the November election, Trump pollster John McLaughlin said on Sunday. …

‘The media is polling [all] adults. Not likely voters. If you poll likely voters, like Rasmussen did, where you use a model of actual voter turnout, Republicans, who vote over 90% for Trump, will be one-third of the poll. They were 33% in the exit polls in 2016. When you do [all] adults, there aren’t as many Republicans because any adult in the United States could even mean… non-citizens could be in that poll because they’re randomly calling cell phones and landlines.’

“McLaughlin emphasized that when the polls do that, which he insisted they are doing on purpose, ‘you just cut Donald Trump‘s vote total by 8 to 9 points. So, of course you’re saying we’re getting blown out,’ adding that ‘It’s the same thing that happened four years ago. Four years ago all these polls that said that Donald Trump couldn’t win.’ ”

Another factor in evaluating polls is coming to grips with the fact that people don’t always tell pollsters their real views or won’t participate in polls at all, which can skew results. An article in Townhall by Loyd Pettegrew from January 20, 2020 expands on this concept:

“Social desirability is a concept first advanced by psychologist Allen L. Edwards in 1953. It advances the idea that when asked about an issue in a social setting, people will always answer in a socially desirable manner whether or not they really believe it. Political polling, whether by telephone or online, is a social setting. Respondents know that there is an audience who are posing the questions and monitoring their response. As a result, despite a respondent’s true belief, many will answer polling questions in what may appear to be a more socially desirable way, or not answer at all.”

As applied to the current election, Pettegrew’s point is that voters know “Trump” is an unpopular answer for many, so they will say “Biden” in reply to a pollster question even though they intend to vote for Trump.

When the polls are adjusted for factors such as skew in selecting polling subjects, self-selection by those who do not participate in polls, and the social pressure to deny you are voting for Trump even when he’s your first choice, it appears the election is much closer than the polls indicate. This does not mean Trump will win, but it does mean that counting Trump out of the race is a huge mistake.

The Expected Trump Vote
That said, there is some highly persuasive scientific research on polling that says Trump will win. This research requires a good grounding in statistics and integral calculus to fully absorb, but we’ll explain it here in plain English. Here goes:

Since the 1940s, pollsters have asked the question, “If the election were held today, who would you vote for?” This is the so-called horse race question, and the answer gets all the headlines and publicity. But, the pollsters also ask another question: “Regardless of who you plan to vote for, who do you think will win the upcoming election?”

The first question (“who would you vote for?”) is called the voter intention question. The second question (“who do you think will win?”) is called the voter expectation question.

Just as the voter intention question receives huge publicity, the voter expectation question gets very little attention. After all, if you know whom someone is voting for, who cares what that person thinks about how others will vote?

It turns out ignoring the expectation question is a huge mistake. Over hundreds of elections for many decades, the answer to the expectation question is far more accurate in predicting outcomes than the answer to the intention question.

The reason for this is a bit counterintuitive, but here’s why it’s true: When you answer the intention question, you are a sample size of one. If 1,300 people are asked the intention question, the sample size is 1,300 people. In normal polling, 1,300 is about how many respondents you need to get a fairly accurate poll. The margin of error for such a poll is about plus or minus 3%.

I’ve done polling for presidential campaigns and I know how expensive and difficult it is to get 1,300 people to answer a series of detailed questions. Many polls use smaller sample sizes, some as small as a few hundred respondents. A smaller sample size increases the margin of error.

Now, think about the answer to the voter expectation question. You’re not just asking the voter about her intentions. You’re asking about their expectation based on the likely actions of everyone they know. This social network includes family members, neighbors, co-workers and even total strangers with whom one might chat about politics.

Suddenly, when you ask one person about their expectations, the sample size increases from one person to 20, 50, 100 or even more people based on the size of their social network.

And, here’s the key insight: The expectation question includes the intention of the individual answering the question. In other words, when you ask the expectation question, you’re getting an answer to the intention question and much more.

In the language of statisticians, the answer to the expectation question is information rich. With the expectation question, you’re effectively expanding the sample size from one person to, say, fifty people. If your base sample is 1,300 respondents and the average social network of each participant is fifty people, then the sample size on the expectation question is 65,000 people. This much larger sample size means a much smaller margin of error and a much more accurate forecast.

This analysis is not just a hypothesis. Its validity is borne out by decades of hard data. If you’re interested, the two leading papers that back this up are Accuracy of Vote Expectation Surveys in Forecasting Elections (2014) by Andreas Garefe, and Forecasting Elections: Voter Intentions versus Expectations (2012) by David Rothschild and Justin Wolfers.

Of course, in most cases the intention question and the expectation question will forecast the same winner even if the expectation question has a better forecasting record overall.

That makes sense. In a landslide election like Lyndon Johnson in 1964 or Ronald Reagan in 1984, the winner in the individual question and the winner in the expectation question will be the same.

Where it gets interesting is when one candidate is leading the polls in the intention question, but the opposition candidate is leading in the expectation question. In effect, a poll respondent is saying, “I’m voting for A, but I expect B to win.” What happens then?

The data is unambiguous. Here’s what economists Rothschild and Wolfers said in their paper: “In the 77 cases in which the intention and expectation question predict different candidates, the expectation question picks the winner 60 times, while the intention question only picked the winner 17 times. That is, 78% of the time that these two approaches disagree, the expectation data was correct.”

Guess what?

That’s exactly where we are today. The average response to the intention question shows Biden with a 49.3% to 40.7% lead over Trump. But, the average response to the expectation question shows Trump with a 55% to 45% lead over Biden.

The research shows the expectation question has the right forecast 78% of the time when the two polls disagree.Putting this data together and using the best available science shows that Trump is the favorite to beat Biden according to the latest polls.

You won’t hear that forecast from CNN, MSNBC or the New York Times. You just read it in Strategic Intelligence. We don’t play favorites, but we do stick to the best available science. According to the best science,Trump will win.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on July 30, 2020, 09:08:34 AM
You poor folks over there are being misled again and in the same way as last time: polling as propaganda. Using social confirmation to get you to change your vote.

Guess what, it works.

This time around I expect that the Democrat Party election team will not fall victim to their own propaganda as they did last time round. That does not mean they will win, but they will probably make less bad electioneering choices. For the dems, that's a step forward.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on July 31, 2020, 02:26:50 AM
'Delay' the election ?

The latest 'Trampu', when the news is bad .. change the news ... fail

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53599363
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on August 03, 2020, 07:54:48 AM
'Delay' the election ?

The latest 'Trampu', when the news is bad .. change the news ... fail

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53599363


Moby the CHESS MESS at it again this was a 4D Chess move by God King Emporer Grand Chess Master Trump the First to get the MMSM Moby Marxist Socialist Media to report about mail in ballots and the bloated USPS gutted by Covid19 malingerers not capable of delivering mail in ballots safely, securely or on time and that the elections will be contested for weeks or months anyhow... Of course this was like a herd of gray squirrels set loose in a nut orchard near mobster and his fellow loooney lefty yappy purse puppies... As usual they all go nuts chasing around exhausting themselves trying to make squirrel stew.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on August 03, 2020, 08:10:51 AM
 And the Poetry of Joe Biden literally Beatnik Biden's own wacky words recited by a Biden Beatnik Cigarette Smoking hipster seemingly being profound but actually abusive to Senile Old Joe..

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on August 03, 2020, 09:40:06 AM
'Delay' the election ?

The latest 'Trampu', when the news is bad .. change the news ... fail

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53599363

Trump never said he was going to delay the election. You're a victim of fake news.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on August 03, 2020, 03:08:41 PM
'Delay' the election ?

The latest 'Trampu', when the news is bad .. change the news ... fail

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-53599363

Trump never said he was going to delay the election. You're a victim of fake news.

Moby thinks the BBC and the Guardian are *actual* news.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on August 03, 2020, 03:52:57 PM

Moby thinks the BBC and the Guardian are *actual* news.

Well you think RT news is an actual "news" outlet. 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 03, 2020, 04:53:48 PM

Moby thinks the BBC and the Guardian are *actual* news.

Well you think RT news is an actual "news" outlet.

It’s far better than CNN, that’s for sure!  :laugh:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on August 03, 2020, 05:49:26 PM
Two new ads released by the Trump Campaign:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/03/donald-trump-ads-joe-biden-would-raise-taxes-bestow-amnesty-hurt-police/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on August 03, 2020, 06:20:02 PM
90 days till election and Trump trending in the right direction...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/trump-approval-back-to-51-supporters-70-more-enthusiastic-than-bidens
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on August 03, 2020, 06:52:36 PM

Moby thinks the BBC and the Guardian are *actual* news.

Well you think RT news is an actual "news" outlet.

It’s far better than CNN, that’s for sure!  :laugh:

Not much ... fake is fake. There is not such thing as more or less fake. It is just you are not someplace where you can see how fake RT is.  Part of how you know if is propaganda is how hard it tries to discredit western news and treat it like is it state news put out by the USA government. CNN is liberal propaganda. RT news is Russian propaganda.  It has an agenda to destroy the USA. It will lie, cheat, make up stories or what ever it takes to help bring about that end.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 03, 2020, 09:44:34 PM

Moby thinks the BBC and the Guardian are *actual* news.

Well you think RT news is an actual "news" outlet.

It’s far better than CNN, that’s for sure!  :laugh:

Not much ... fake is fake. There is not such thing as more or less fake. It is just you are not someplace where you can see how fake RT is.  Part of how you know if is propaganda is how hard it tries to discredit western news and treat it like is it state news put out by the USA government. CNN is liberal propaganda. RT news is Russian propaganda.  It has an agenda to destroy the USA. It will lie, cheat, make up stories or what ever it takes to help bring about that end.

You're describing US media perfectly in your last two sentances you're just too clueless to know it!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on August 04, 2020, 02:00:46 AM

Not much ... fake is fake. There is not such thing as more or less fake. It is just you are not someplace where you can see how fake RT is.  Part of how you know if is propaganda is how hard it tries to discredit western news and treat it like is it state news put out by the USA government. CNN is liberal propaganda. RT news is Russian propaganda.  It has an agenda to destroy the USA. It will lie, cheat, make up stories or what ever it takes to help bring about that end.

Except I catch RT with far fewer lies than the Western Media. RT does put a hugely pro-russian spin on the truth, but it still is the truth... and the truth hurts sometimes.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on August 11, 2020, 10:18:38 AM
Best use of a Trump cammo hunters cap...

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on August 11, 2020, 03:09:21 PM
https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-tells-staffers-to-pick-any-black-person-for-vp-since-they-all-think-the-same-anyway/?utm_content=bufferfca04&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on August 11, 2020, 04:26:32 PM
Joe checks off the Marxists and BLM boxes with Holla 4 Kamala while putting the Antifa anarchists on Notice... Bonus $$$ from Oprah, Hollywood, Silicon valley and the CCP embeds.

Trump super pacs are going to have to counter with ruthless Beijing Biden Traitor Joe and Marxist Hate Christians Kamala oppo research ad campaigns on MSM and social Media. Allows Trump campaign to contrast with rebuild post Covid USA positives and EOs if he can discipline his twittering. I know a big ask... Patriots need to focus on the get out the vote ground game as she was clearly Bernie's pick for VP.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on August 12, 2020, 01:10:20 AM


Except I catch RT with far fewer lies than the Western Media. RT does put a hugely pro-russian spin on the truth, but it still is the truth... and the truth hurts sometimes.

When I tried to point out 3 clear les RT has broadcast, it was deleted  :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on August 12, 2020, 03:26:43 PM


Except I catch RT with far fewer lies than the Western Media. RT does put a hugely pro-russian spin on the truth, but it still is the truth... and the truth hurts sometimes.

When I tried to point out 3 clear les RT has broadcast, it was deleted  :ROFL:

Untrue.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on August 12, 2020, 09:03:09 PM

Not much ... fake is fake. There is not such thing as more or less fake. It is just you are not someplace where you can see how fake RT is.  Part of how you know if is propaganda is how hard it tries to discredit western news and treat it like is it state news put out by the USA government. CNN is liberal propaganda. RT news is Russian propaganda.  It has an agenda to destroy the USA. It will lie, cheat, make up stories or what ever it takes to help bring about that end.

Except I catch RT with far fewer lies than the Western Media. RT does put a hugely pro-russian spin on the truth, but it still is the truth... and the truth hurts sometimes.

I have found gross lies in RT news.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on August 13, 2020, 01:58:19 AM

Not much ... fake is fake. There is not such thing as more or less fake. It is just you are not someplace where you can see how fake RT is.  Part of how you know if is propaganda is how hard it tries to discredit western news and treat it like is it state news put out by the USA government. CNN is liberal propaganda. RT news is Russian propaganda.  It has an agenda to destroy the USA. It will lie, cheat, make up stories or what ever it takes to help bring about that end.

Except I catch RT with far fewer lies than the Western Media. RT does put a hugely pro-russian spin on the truth, but it still is the truth... and the truth hurts sometimes.

I have found gross lies in RT news.

Have you found ‘gross lies’ in your own media?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on August 13, 2020, 06:12:28 AM
 Texan77, can you please link to 2 or 3 examples of these 'gross lies' on RT's website? I am always happy to learn and you clearly have some expertise to share.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on August 13, 2020, 06:38:59 AM


Except I catch RT with far fewer lies than the Western Media. RT does put a hugely pro-russian spin on the truth, but it still is the truth... and the truth hurts sometimes.

When I tried to point out 3 clear les RT has broadcast, it was deleted  :ROFL:

IIRC from area 51 that is known as extreme onanist moderation.   :smokin:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 13, 2020, 02:15:02 PM


Except I catch RT with far fewer lies than the Western Media. RT does put a hugely pro-russian spin on the truth, but it still is the truth... and the truth hurts sometimes.

When I tried to point out 3 clear les RT has broadcast, it was deleted  :ROFL:

IIRC from area 51 that is known as extreme onanist moderation.   :smokin:

What is a clear les?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on August 13, 2020, 03:38:28 PM


Except I catch RT with far fewer lies than the Western Media. RT does put a hugely pro-russian spin on the truth, but it still is the truth... and the truth hurts sometimes.

When I tried to point out 3 clear les RT has broadcast, it was deleted  :ROFL:

IIRC from area 51 that is known as extreme onanist moderation.   :smokin:

What is a clear les?

It’s natural English for lies.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on August 14, 2020, 12:58:16 AM


Untrue.

?

Certainly NOT found where it was posted ..and you deleted the 3 lies ...

How ANYONE can call a shameless propaganda tool 'news' amuses
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on August 14, 2020, 10:07:43 PM
How ANYONE can call a shameless propaganda tool 'news' amuses

Personally I would not describe a lying, grandiose, conceited and blind to ones own shortcomings as amusing.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on August 15, 2020, 12:30:26 AM

How ANYONE can call a shameless propaganda tool 'news' amuses


Personally I would not describe a lying, grandiose, conceited and blind to ones own shortcomings as amusing.

Poor ol' AvHdB

In the case of RT I posted THREE clear headlines that were proven lies

In your case you suggest I'm 'lying' but cannot know the truth .... even though you get clues ..  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on August 15, 2020, 07:25:59 AM
Typical RT news lie. Government on Honduras over thrown by the USA. What really happened. The president was doing a lot of things to become a dictator. The congress of the country impeached him and their supreme court approved it. The USA acting stupidly was trying to get the president re installed as Obama got bad information on the subject. Finally he stop fighter the will of the country and they were able to elect a new president. RT news said that Bolivia government over thrown so USA could steal world largest lithium deposit. What really happen is that Lithium deposit is real but it worthless due to a number of factors. The president terms limit was up and the president was put put of office because he would not leave. They had a new election. new president and that lithium deposit remains untouched. I could write a book of fake stories in Ukraine unreal. But this stuff you guys would believe because you do not check it out you just believe.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on August 15, 2020, 07:40:02 AM
Harris keep mentioning how she would make policy. She is running like a president not like a vice president. People need to figure out who their are voting for.  It seem if your are Joe Biden you get to pick the president.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on August 15, 2020, 09:27:13 AM
Texan77, please can you share the links to these stories because I am unable to find them. Thanks!
I found this: https://www.rt.com/news/474022-morales-bolivia-coup-lithium/
Which I am sure you'd agree is a fairly even handed retelling of the words of of Evo Morales.

I found this: https://www.rt.com/news/466687-zelaya-honduras-interview-coup/
From an interview with President Jose Manuel Zelaya of Honduras. Do you suggest that these words are not spoken by the former president? Did his overthrow actually happen BEFORE Honduras joined the ALBA?
In fact, you are certainly incorrect to suggest that Zelaya was impeached. He was removed from the presidential palace by force and sent into exile in Costa Rica.

You need to know what actually happened before making claims that others lied, that's pretty important in making a claim of truth. :)

 

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on August 23, 2020, 03:54:19 PM
https://dailycaller.com/2020/08/21/former-navy-seal-jack-carr-tucker-carlson-self-defense-riots/

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on August 23, 2020, 04:37:21 PM
Asia markets just opened with S&P Futures setting a new All Time High of 3401.50 a V Shaped Recovery Continues:

U.S. Stocks Rally On Tech Stocks And Strong U.S. Economic Data
Rich Asplund - Barchart - Fri Aug 21, 4:06PM CDT
The S&P 500 Index ($SPX) on Friday closed +0.34%, the Dow Jones Industrials Index ($DOWI) closed +0.69%, and the Nasdaq 100 Index ($IUXX) closed +0.68%.

The U.S. stock market closed higher on Friday on strong U.S. economic data and continued strength in tech stocks. The Nasdaq 100 index on Friday closed +0.68% with leaders including Apple (+5.15%), Nvidia (+4.47%), and Tesla (+2.41%). U.S. homebuilders showed strength on the strong existing home sales report.

Friday's preliminary-Aug Markit U.S. manufacturing PMI rose by +2.7 points to 53.6, which was stronger than expectations of +1.1 points to 52.0 and added to July's +1.1 point increase to 50.9. The preliminary-Aug Markit U.S. services PMI rose by +4.8 points to 54.8, which was stronger than expectations of +1.0 point to 51.0 and added to July's +2.1 point increase to 50.0.

The August Markit U.S. manufacturing PMI of 53.6 rose above January's pre-pandemic level of 51.9, and the services PMI of 54.8 rose above January's pre-pandemic level of 54.4.

Friday's July U.S. existing home sales report of +24.7% to 5.86 million units was much stronger than expectations of +14.6% and added to June's revised +20.2% increase. U.S. existing home sales in July soared to a 13-year high of 5.86 million units as home demand was strong from people looking to move into bigger houses so they can work from home or who were looking to escape urban living in apartments/condos.

European stocks sold off sharply early Friday by as much as -1.6% on disappointing Eurozone PMI reports, although the Euro Stoxx 50 index partially recovered and closed the day down by only -0.43%. Friday's preliminary-August Markit Eurozone manufacturing PMI fell by -0.1 to 51.7, which was weaker than expectations for a +0.9 increase to 52.7. Meanwhile, the Eurozone services PMI fell by -4.6 to 50.1, which was much weaker than expectations of -0.2 to 54.5. Germany's manufacturing PMI rose by +2.0 to 53.0, but its services PMI fell by -4.8 to 50.8. France's manufacturing PMI fell by -3.4 to 49.0, and its services PMI fell by -5.4 to 51.9.

Stocks are seeing support from falling U.S. Covid infection rates. The 5-day average of new U.S. Covid infections has dropped to a 7-week low of about 42,000 cases, according to Johns Hopkins, down from July's peak near 70,000 cases.

These are the real facts...
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on August 23, 2020, 05:00:26 PM
Great Article - Can you say Trump Landslide?

Signs of a Coming Trump Victory

https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2020/08/23/signs-of-a-coming-trump-victory-n2574809?utm_source=thdailypm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl&newsletterad=08/23/2020&bcid=cf5819e78af166323fd69c3c8ce1964e&recip=28873329
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on September 06, 2020, 08:49:58 PM
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on September 06, 2020, 11:23:22 PM
Great Article - Can you say Trump Landslide?


Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden continued to lead Donald Trump in every major national poll that emerged this past week, despite prognostications from elections experts that the president would receive a post-convention "bump" in his support numbers.

UK Independent newspaper:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/trump-biden-polls-2020-us-election-b404650.html

Can you say, "ooops"?


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on September 06, 2020, 11:33:15 PM
In case the 'lefty' Indy article is dismissed...

https://ig.ft.com/us-election-2020/

EC prediction:

Biden 269 v 122 'Trampu'
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on September 07, 2020, 08:27:52 AM
In case the 'lefty' Indy article is dismissed...

https://ig.ft.com/us-election-2020/

EC prediction:

Biden 269 v 122 'Trampu'

You might be correct.Though it is some +/- 60 days to the election.

My guess: 1.) Presently the end results are uncertain. 2.) ms will moan.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on September 07, 2020, 10:53:02 AM
despite prognostications from elections experts that the president would receive a post-convention "bump" in his support numbers.

UK Independent newspaper:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/trump-biden-polls-2020-us-election-b404650.html

Can you say, "ooops"?

That "independent" newspaper is using an anti Trump CNN poll. A more neutral poll says Trump's convention halved Biden's lead

https://morningconsult.com/2020/08/29/post-rnc-poll-trump-bounce/


Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden continued to lead Donald Trump in every major national poll that emerged this past week,


Hillary also led in every major poll each week except for the last one. If Biden leads by a couple of percentage points the day of the election, expect Trump to win. America's election is decided by electoral votes, not popular votes. Polls are more geared for the popular vote.



Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on September 07, 2020, 12:30:28 PM
That "independent" newspaper is using an anti Trump CNN poll. A more neutral poll says Trump's convention halved Biden's lead

I suggest you don't search poll of polls, BillyB

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on September 07, 2020, 12:44:30 PM
The Black Looting Marxists and Demonrats Anti America Pro Chinese Phreaking Communist party has pissed of patriots of America Military Vets of All races, pissed off urban blacks, latinos and Lgbtq rainbows all pissed at defunding their police allowing crime to run amok...

Mail fraud will be huge and likely to be decided by SCOTUs like W vs Gore over hung Chad's WTF...

Close but Victory Cigars will go to me.

BLM Antifas will act up but after God King Emporer Trump sworn in a National Emergency insurrection will be declared with US Army National Guard and DOJ FBI will do their jobs.

God forbid the Mil Vet Patriots have to take up arms we have new Magnum Rifles accurate to 3000 metres/2500 yards:

https://ruger.com/products/precisionRifle/models.html

Surprising how many German Arms Cos moved to the Free State of New Hampshire...  Ruger, Sig Sauer... Live Free or Die MoFos.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on September 07, 2020, 02:40:33 PM
In case the 'lefty' Indy article is dismissed...

https://ig.ft.com/us-election-2020/

EC prediction:

Biden 269 v 122 'Trampu'

The Lefty article has the columns marked incorrectly.

The Leans left column should actually say toss up
and the tossup column should actually say leans right.


All these states are called toss up
Texas38  Hahahaha ... In your wet dreams
Flor29  Trump WON
Ohio18 Trump WON
Geor16 Trump WON
NCar15 Trump WON
Ariz11--------------- Actual toss up state
Minn10 ------------- Actual toss up state
SCar9 Trump WON
Maine-21 Trump WON

Trump won every one of those states last time.

Let's look at leans left These are actually the toss up states. 

Penn20 Trump WON
Mich16 Trump WON
Wisc10 Trump WON
Colo9 Hillary WON
Nev6 Hillary WON
NH4 Hillary WON
Neb-21 TRUMP WON


As anybody with any independence can look, the lefty article should
be ignored by anyone who wants news. If you want an opinion piece
then by all means have at it.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on September 07, 2020, 02:50:17 PM
T2B How are you and the Mrs and daughter doing coping with Covid?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on September 07, 2020, 04:16:26 PM
That "independent" newspaper is using an anti Trump CNN poll. A more neutral poll says Trump's convention halved Biden's lead

I suggest you don't search poll of polls, BillyB

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/

One poll in there had Biden leading Trump by 9 points in Texas. That is ridiculous. Rasmussen Reports poll came closest to predicting the last election. Focus on their polls in your link. You're going to be disappointed.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on September 07, 2020, 05:18:42 PM
My prediction: Trump will win with a reduced majority. FL will be a close call as ever.

The leftist fake news media will do all they can to talk up Biden and pretend he’s leading by a country mile till the last moment. The quiet Trump voters will bring it home, just as with Brexit and just as when Boris won.

Moby is Moby. He’ll dredge up any fake crap he can find to support his Pinko yearnings. Expect many more Independent and Guardian articles from him.

When Trump wins, Moby & Co will blame “Russian meddling” again.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on September 07, 2020, 05:47:52 PM
When Trump wins, Moby & Co will blame “Russian meddling” again.

If correct ms very well might blame Manchurians. i.e. Manny and Cuffy.

As I recall they live close or in Manchester.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on September 08, 2020, 12:35:43 AM
My prediction: Trump will win with a reduced majority. FL will be a close call as ever.

The leftist fake news media will do all they can to talk up Biden and pretend he’s leading by a country mile till the last moment. The quiet Trump voters will bring it home, just as with Brexit and just as when Boris won.

Moby is Moby. He’ll dredge up any fake crap he can find to support his Pinko yearnings. Expect many more Independent and Guardian articles from him.

When Trump wins, Moby & Co will blame “Russian meddling” again.


 :ROFL:

I know the Financial Times is pink - as in the paper used, but I wan't aware posting the current poll of polls made it left, politically ?

So, tell us .. what was 'fake' about the polls ?


Re the US election .. Neither candidate ...like in the UK election was suitable to lead ...  Boris is proving that in the UK, time after time    ... flip-flopping on policy ... 

Neither Biden or 'Trampu' are the best the US has got to lead .
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on September 08, 2020, 02:29:57 AM

How ANYONE can call a shameless propaganda tool 'news' amuses


Personally I would not describe a lying, grandiose, conceited and blind to ones own shortcomings as amusing.

Poor ol' AvHdB

In the case of RT I posted THREE clear headlines that were proven lies

In your case you suggest I'm 'lying' but cannot know the truth .... even though you get clues ..  :coffeeread:



The above went past your brain.  :plane:

Remind us what a negative IQ equates?

Truly there are none who so blind as those who will not see.*

I was addressing you, ms.

*J. Swift
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on September 08, 2020, 03:10:32 AM
AvHdB, you truly are a hoot.

You being the chap who cannot tell fact from fiction and try to tell ME about 'issues'...?)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on September 08, 2020, 09:19:21 AM
Re the US election .. Neither candidate ...like in the UK election was suitable to lead ...  Boris is proving that in the UK, time after time

Nonsense. Boris is doing a good job all round. Its easy to be glib about the virus in hindsight, but I've no complaints with how they handled it given they were learning as they go. He's doing well on Brexit. They'll get on top of the economic migrants from France and the back doors like you take advantage of. Best PM since Thatcher.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on September 08, 2020, 01:44:19 PM
My prediction: Trump will win with a reduced majority. FL will be a close call as ever.

The leftist fake news media will do all they can to talk up Biden and pretend he’s leading by a country mile till the last moment. The quiet Trump voters will bring it home, just as with Brexit and just as when Boris won.

Moby is Moby. He’ll dredge up any fake crap he can find to support his Pinko yearnings. Expect many more Independent and Guardian articles from him.

When Trump wins, Moby & Co will blame “Russian meddling” again.

Brilliant accurate analysis. :thumbsup:  tiphat
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on September 08, 2020, 09:02:12 PM
AvHdB, you truly are a hoot.

You being the chap who cannot tell fact from fiction and try to tell ME about 'issues'...?)

While I will not hold my breath, please share where I can not tell the difference between fact and fiction. Please exclude your 'life'.

You are so filled with your inventions of reality that where the sun rises and sets confuses you.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on September 08, 2020, 09:22:29 PM
AvHdB, you truly are a hoot.

You being the chap who cannot tell fact from fiction and try to tell ME about 'issues'...?)

While I will not hold my breath, please share where I can not tell the difference between fact and fiction. Please exclude your 'life'.

You are so filled with your inventions of reality that where the sun rises and sets confuses you.


Moby's ability to smell his own verbal diarrhea does seem rather off.

Speaking of the sun rising and setting, could he tell the difference between the gap between a womans breasts or the hole between a womans ass cheeks?

To a guy so accustomed to pretending that his BS smells like a beautiful bouquet it's probably exactly the same.  :laugh:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on September 08, 2020, 11:10:21 PM
T2B How are you and the Mrs and daughter doing coping with Covid?

I will post an update here
https://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?topic=18537.new#new

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: msmoby on September 08, 2020, 11:41:28 PM


While I will not hold my breath, please share where I can not tell the difference between fact and fiction. Please exclude your 'life'.




How can I respond, now, given your 'exclusion' ?  :chuckle:

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on September 16, 2020, 07:56:40 PM
Brilliant article about how Trump will save the USA:

https://trump.news/2020-09-06-fourteenth-amendment-trumps-secret-weapon-electoral-college-mass-arrests.html#
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on September 17, 2020, 10:52:35 AM
https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2020/09/15/situation-report-whitehousesiege-hedges-their-bets/

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on September 18, 2020, 07:36:29 PM
Ruth Bader Ginsberg, has passed on. RIP RBG

While I suspect many will have a strong dislike for her and what she represented on The United Supreme Court. She  often showed in a surprising a way a degree of levity. With some almost 30 years of service one can respect that dedication.

Worth noting her fathers family came from Odesa in Ukraine.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on September 18, 2020, 08:32:55 PM
Ruth Bader Ginsberg, has passed on. RIP RBG

While I suspect many will have a strong dislike for her and what she represented on The United Supreme Court. She  often showed in a surprising a way a degree of levity. With some almost 30 years of service one can respect that dedication.

Worth noting her fathers family came from Odesa in Ukraine.


RIP. :GRAVE:

Never cared for her politics or jurisprudence, but I admire her tenacity and accomplishments. 

I do sort of wonder if someone dropped a house on her or splashed her with a bucket of water.  :chuckle:

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on September 19, 2020, 06:50:14 AM
Perhaps somebody opened the curtains in her room after sunrise?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on September 19, 2020, 06:42:41 PM
Rasmussen polled Trump's approval at 52% and now he gets to appoint a pro life conservative to SCOTUS in time for a likely contested election.

This is great timing and the trend is in favor of the USA patriots.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on September 19, 2020, 07:49:56 PM

I've been thinking of various scenarios and the best scenario that benefits Republicans is Trump has to nominate somebody SOON to begin the process. That doesn't mean the Senate will vote on Trump's nominee before the election. They don't have to. On election day, they can lose their Senate majority and have Biden win the Presidency but the Republicans still maintain a Senate majority until Jan 3, 2021 and can approve Trump's Supreme Court nominee before a new President and Senate takes over should they lose everything in the election.

Liberals are hating on Lindsey Graham right now and the media will run with his words all the way up to the election hoping to get public support to pressure Republicans to back off. I doubt Republicans will back off and the price Lindsey will pay is he'll have to eat his words. Not the end of the world.


Good news: Trump protecting Americans by forcing China based Tik Tok to sell themselves to American companies. Deal was struck.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-administration-approves-oracle-tiktok-deal/ar-BB19ddaR?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds


Bad news: Somebody sent poison to Trump. In 45 days, Trump may be out of a job. Talk about impatient.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/letter-sent-to-white-house-containing-deadly-poison-ricin-intercepted-officials-say/ar-BB19d9Yp?ocid=spartan-ntp-feeds
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on September 20, 2020, 05:57:38 PM
Good news: Trump protecting Americans by forcing China based Tik Tok to sell themselves to American companies.

I wonder if you would support Apple or another large US company being forced to sell up their local entity to a Chinese company in order to continue to operate there?

Because that will happen next. China will retaliate for that. It might be 12-18 months away (China plays the long game), but the target will be larger.

Apple may be a bad example because Apple is quite insignificant in China. If I were the bloke doing this, I’d target Starbucks. Starbucks are everywhere in China.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on September 20, 2020, 06:19:58 PM
The USA is actively decoupling from China... Sooner the Better after the CCP Wuhan Bioweapon killed 200,000+ Americans in an outright biowar.

Martin Armstrong predicts major war in 2025 to 2027 timeframe... Time to prepare is now:

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on September 20, 2020, 07:01:12 PM

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on September 20, 2020, 08:02:15 PM
Good news: Trump protecting Americans by forcing China based Tik Tok to sell themselves to American companies.

I wonder if you would support Apple or another large US company being forced to sell up their local entity to a Chinese company in order to continue to operate there?

Because that will happen next. China will retaliate for that. It might be 12-18 months away (China plays the long game), but the target will be larger.

Apple may be a bad example because Apple is quite insignificant in China. If I were the bloke doing this, I’d target Starbucks. Starbucks are everywhere in China.

Yea and it will put tens of thousands of Chinese people out of work. Apple manufactures there and ships everywhere in world. I do not know how they are going to get chips to manufacture there anyway.  Apple likely to move to Vietnam or something like that. Actually Apple is a very democratic socialist company and many of us on this site are not likely to feel very sorry for them. They should of never move the manufacturing out of the USA in the first place. But like a good democratic socialist company they just love spreading the wealth to China. China is not very open to buy USA products most of us on this site would like to see USA manufacturing leave China.

Starbucks are franchises. Most of those business are own by Chinese people that pay a small commission to the USA parent company for the use of the name. Not really a big lost to us. 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on September 20, 2020, 10:01:53 PM
Time to stock up on anti radiation full face gas masks, anti radiation water filters, anti radiation home air filtration systems and anti radiation chelation and iodine supplements and anti radiation long term underground bunkers enough to wait out 24 months nuclear winter and off grid energy and survival food supplies for at least 24 months of nuclear winter... And a good geiger counter for any asia biz trips and a couple for your off grid bunker...

China murdering 200,000 Americans will carry a heavy price to pay and if we have to create a two year nuclear winter so be it... The Global Reset is the CCP & globalists goal to eliminate 90% of the world's population... Might as well best them to the punch.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on September 20, 2020, 10:18:18 PM
The Great Reset Survival Guide downloads...

https://www.globalreset.news/ReaderRegistration-Downloads.asp?Subscriber=True
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on September 20, 2020, 10:29:39 PM
Good news: Trump protecting Americans by forcing China based Tik Tok to sell themselves to American companies.

I wonder if you would support Apple or another large US company being forced to sell up their local entity to a Chinese company in order to continue to operate there?

Because that will happen next. China will retaliate for that. It might be 12-18 months away (China plays the long game), but the target will be larger.

Apple may be a bad example because Apple is quite insignificant in China. If I were the bloke doing this, I’d target Starbucks. Starbucks are everywhere in China.

If the American government created a law like China did giving them the right to tell privately owned companies to spy on foreign citizens and collect data, yes I would support those nation's rights to ban American companies.

China already forces American and European car companies to give Chinese companies 51% ownership of their operations in China. Trump will even out trade with China. It would be wise for Europe to do that too. If China wants to ban American companies for no good reason, then Trump won't put up with it and escalate the trade war. It's about time we start manufacturing the products we want in other Asia nations. Vietnam and India would be good replacements.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on September 21, 2020, 03:33:58 AM
If the American government created a law like China did giving them the right to tell privately owned companies to spy on foreign citizens and collect data, yes I would support those nation's rights to ban American companies.

Done and done, thank you for telling us China has that right.

And not only did they do it , they got caught in a big way doing it.

There's many a tale floating around on the Internet about US gov't power abuse.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on September 21, 2020, 10:15:22 AM
Europeans invented Marxist Communism.  Europeans exported Marxist Communist Tyranny to the world.  Europeans are thereby responsible for the deaths of 200 Million people that the Marxist Communist Tyrants Murdered.  The US Govt is forced to assert it's hard and soft power to prevent Europeans from murdering one billion people with its Marxist Communist exported Tryanny.

The USA is populated with the Pioneer Warriors from Europe who would not agree to be slaughtered by European Tyrants.  Every so often the USA warriors are called back to Europe to stop their tyrannical murderous rampages.  You are the reason the the USA must apply power to prevent your murderous tendencies.  Get over it because next time likely to result in a long nuclear winter around 2025 to 2027.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on September 21, 2020, 10:52:56 AM
All USA social media companies have been outlawed in China from the beginning. What is happened in Tic Talk has already happened to USA companies in this same platform type. No really much China should complain about.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on September 22, 2020, 06:52:38 AM
Texan77 do you write stuff knowing it to be untrue or are you genuinely as ill-informed as your posts make you appear?
Title: Re: President Trump's New Gig
Post by: andrewfi on September 22, 2020, 07:05:12 PM
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on September 24, 2020, 01:59:25 PM
Brilliant President Trump puts himself on all stamps, Democrats respond by demanding to abolish the Post Office.

Quote

"Don Lemon broke the news in a tearful address to the nation last night. "Our democracy is over," he said. "It doesn't exist anymore. I will never send another piece of mail ever again, and neither should you or else you're a racist." 

"Antifa and BLM responded by marching on local post offices and burning them down."

https://babylonbee.com/news/brilliant-trump-puts-himself-on-all-postage-stamps-forcing-democrats-to-abolish-the-usps
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on September 24, 2020, 11:01:53 PM
Brilliant President Trump puts himself on all stamps, Democrats respond by demanding to abolish the Post Office.

Quote

"Don Lemon broke the news in a tearful address to the nation last night. "Our democracy is over," he said. "It doesn't exist anymore. I will never send another piece of mail ever again, and neither should you or else you're a racist." 

"Antifa and BLM responded by marching on local post offices and burning them down."

https://babylonbee.com/news/brilliant-trump-puts-himself-on-all-postage-stamps-forcing-democrats-to-abolish-the-usps

Damn that is funny shit!

What is scary though there will be parties across the political spectrum that will swallow this hook, line and sinker.
Title: Re: President Trump's New Gig
Post by: Contrarian on September 24, 2020, 11:13:00 PM

Funny stuff Andrew!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on September 24, 2020, 11:23:29 PM
Brilliant President Trump puts himself on all stamps, Democrats respond by demanding to abolish the Post Office.

Quote

"Don Lemon broke the news in a tearful address to the nation last night. "Our democracy is over," he said. "It doesn't exist anymore. I will never send another piece of mail ever again, and neither should you or else you're a racist." 

"Antifa and BLM responded by marching on local post offices and burning them down."

https://babylonbee.com/news/brilliant-trump-puts-himself-on-all-postage-stamps-forcing-democrats-to-abolish-the-usps

Damn that is funny shit!

What is scary though there will be parties across the political spectrum that will swallow this hook, line and sinker.


I doubt it but if Antifa burned down enough post offices that we had a real election I would smile!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on September 25, 2020, 07:14:58 PM
Do we have a thread for RBG and her replacement?

Amy Coney Barrett Holds Press Conference In Handmaid's Tale Costume Just To Mess With Liberals

https://babylonbee.com/news/amy-coney-barrett-holds-press-conference-in-handmaids-tale-uniform-just-to-mess-with-liberals
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on September 25, 2020, 09:01:46 PM
Do we have a thread for RBG and her replacement?

Amy Coney Barrett Holds Press Conference In Handmaid's Tale Costume Just To Mess With Liberals

https://babylonbee.com/news/amy-coney-barrett-holds-press-conference-in-handmaids-tale-uniform-just-to-mess-with-liberals

We need more public officials with a sense of humour! Give that girl one attaboy!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on September 25, 2020, 11:28:29 PM
Do we have a thread for RBG and her replacement?

Amy Coney Barrett Holds Press Conference In Handmaid's Tale Costume Just To Mess With Liberals

https://babylonbee.com/news/amy-coney-barrett-holds-press-conference-in-handmaids-tale-uniform-just-to-mess-with-liberals

We need more public officials with a sense of humour! Give that girl one attaboy!

I am pretty sure that's satire.

She hasn't been introduced as the pick yet either.

But just imagine if she did do that, to fcuk with the humorless libs.  :laugh:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on September 29, 2020, 05:35:48 PM
LInk to CNN Pre-Debate Poll (https://mobile.twitter.com/TheBabylonBee/status/1311048189055840265?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1311048189055840265%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2F2%2Ftwitter.min.html1311048189055840265)

Pre Debate Poll
U.S.—In a highly accurate and scientific CNN poll taken pre-debate, presidential candidate Joe Biden has had a clear win over incumbent President Donald Trump, with 98% saying Biden won the debate tonight and only 2% saying Trump won
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on September 29, 2020, 10:53:38 PM
Polls say Biden won the debate. Hillary didn't stumble in the debates. She won them all and she led the polls the whole race. Biden is doing as good as Hillary did, maybe a little worse but he will have as good a chance on being our next president as Hillary had. Hillary had a 98% chance in win.

Trump's approval rating the last couple of years and now months have always been a few points within Obama's who easily won a 2nd term. Sometimes Trump would beat Obama and other times Obama beat Trump.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/political_updates/prez_track_sep29

Couple of months ago, the polls had Biden up double digits. One poll had Biden up 15 points. It's way down for Biden today. Last year Rasmussen Reports came closet to predicting the winner since they had Hillary up 2 points the day of the election. Currently they have Biden up 1 point. That is very bad news for Biden since the presidential election is not determined by a popular vote which is basically what a poll is gauging. Most of Biden's voters live in certain states instead of being spread out evenly.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_biden-6247.html

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Danchik on September 30, 2020, 12:40:59 AM
The debate was hard to watch. Chris Wallace is a joke, but Trump would have been better off letting Biden talk more. Maybe turning off the mic for the one not answering the question would be a good start for any future debate. But to summarise the debate in 1 word - awful.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on September 30, 2020, 01:10:27 PM
The debate was hard to watch. Chris Wallace is a joke, but Trump would have been better off letting Biden talk more. Maybe turning off the mic for the one not answering the question would be a good start for any future debate. But to summarise the debate in 1 word - awful.

For me it wasn't awful however for sure Trump should have let Biden speak without the interuptions.

It boggles my mind that Biden can make excuses for his son's obvious corruption with a straight face but that's what politicians do.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on September 30, 2020, 05:12:58 PM
After Chris Wallace became the enabler of a mean vicious senile old corrupt head of a massively kleptocratic klan of political kickback kings laughing at a sitting President calling him a Clown twice, a liar multiple times the worst president in our history while Biden outright lying with the word phrase that's been discredited regarding old Joe facilitating $6 Billion in Biden Klan Kickbacks from China, $3.5 Million from the former wife of Moscow's Mayor and millions from Burisma Gas and Oil in Ukraine...

I would not go on defense but on strong offense... Old William Casey rule when you are attacked in Washington... Admit Nothing, Deny Everything and launch a Vicious Counter Attack.

Since the (((Marxist Socialist Media's))) intent here is to Portray Beijing Biden as not only equal but superior to Trump in the most disrespectful manner possible - As President you Never allow anyone to disrespect your Office of POTUS this is like disrespecting our flag.

Since Biden went into the gutter with the Atlantic lies about Trump slandering our fallen troops when it is arrogant kickback king Biden calling our Troops stupid *snip*s on live video then calling it a joke after to deflect attention from Bidens true contempt for our Troops.

So Trump must go full Trump and destroy Beijing Biden the Socialist Green New Steal CCP $6 BILLION$ Kickback King as follows.

Topics Outline for the Next Debate with Video Monitor of Bidens own Words from recent Trump Ads

1. Joe why are you going to open our borders and flood the USA with 100 Million immigrants like your open borders society allies in Europe are doing?

2. Joe why are you giving this invasion of illegal immigrants free healthcare and social security, free education and housing?

3. Joe why are you trying to destroy the constitution by eliminating free speech in universities and in public, eliminating freedom of religion but support Antifa terrorist looting and fire bombing.

3. Joe why are you going to take away Americans rights to keep and bear arms to defend themselves from the Chinese Communists you are helping to Colonize the USA.

4. Joe why did you negotiate investments of over $6 Billion in funds from Chinese Communist Party controlled entities to various members of your family. Show clips from Riding the Dragon.

5. Joe why did you and Obama commit sedition and treason against our Country by running a coup over the past four years.

6. Joe why have you betrayed the USA out to the Communist Red Chinese, the Russians and Ukrainians... Are you a corrupt Traitor or just too Stupid to think my team of Patriots would not call you out on your sedition and Treason.

Let the phony commission on the Presidential Debates chew on those facts and "Tools".

I would then have meetings with the Cabinet, DoJ and DoD ordering them to prepare plans for deploying a full scope 14th Amendment response to put down election fraud and violent insurrection and anyone who sabotages these orders will be arrested and prosecuted for sedition and Treason. Teach them just how constitutionally powerful the Office of the President really is.

Biden and Wallace did us all a favor by tipping their hats and showing their contempt and intent to overthrow our constitution...

Now it's all hands on deck, general quarters and man your battle stations...

Trump’s “secret weapon” revealed: Fourteenth Amendment allows the President to strip Electoral College votes from states supporting censorship against voters; enables mass arrests of mayors, governors and judges who suppoort sanctuary cities and states.

https://patriotdailypress.com/2020/09/06/trumps-secret-weapon-revealed-fourteenth-amendment-allows-the-president-to-strip-electoral-college-votes-from-states-supporting-censorship-against-voters-enables-mass-arrests-of-mayors-govern/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 01, 2020, 10:41:21 AM
If Trump loses will he accept the results?

That's the Million dollar question.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on October 01, 2020, 02:45:47 PM
If Trump loses will he accept the results?

That's the Million dollar question.

No, the real question is, will Biden?

Trump has already said he will accept the results of a fair election.  The question is a set up by the media to criticize Trump if he, within the bounds of the law, contests the election.

Biden, OTOH, is already set up to litigate the results to a fare-the-well, like Al Gore on steroids, yet the liberal media never asks Biden the same question.  He's go nowhere else to go, and the Dems have this nutty idea that Gore "really won" (he didn't) and the same for Hillary! because they don't understand that in the Electoral College, unlike in golf, the low score does not win.

It's similar to the media's "muh White SUPREMEAZIZZMZ!" obsession.  They keep asking Trump to reject it, despite his repeted statements doing just that. (https://twitter.com/i/status/1311711610759712772)

But they never call out Biden on his own racist past - the 1994 crime bill, how he waxes fondly about working with racists, segregationist senators who called him 'son', how he stated that he didn't want his sons to grow up in a 'racial jungle', and his continuous gaffes:

“Well, I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.”

“You got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”

“Unlike the African-American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly diverse attitudes about different things.”

Biden continuously gets a pass for this, while Trump continuously gets questions over something he has repeatedly condemned.

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on October 01, 2020, 03:36:21 PM
I watched the highlights of the debate.

I never got to form an opinion of Biden as Trump constantly talked over and interrupted him. The moderator did a piss poor job of shutting Trump up. I read that in future, because of Trump's rude and boorish performance, the moderator will have a button to turn off the microphone so the other can speak.

Even if Trump's message was right, I want to hear the other guy to form my own opinion. And I couldn't. I think Trump performed as expected: badly. Anything he had to say was diluted by his arrogance and bad manners towards Biden. Probably to his detriment.

Not Trump's finest hour from this side of the pond. Here that would have been political suicide. But our friends over the pond seem to be OK with Trump's rudeness and boorish 'grab em by the pussy' behaviour, so if that damaged him or not, only our American members will know.

What Trump said about drug prices and big pharma was interesting and well overdue. But the message is lost because he can't conduct himself like a normal person. Its like debating with Moby, he just screams till he drowns out others. He simply isn't a statesman. But maybe that doesn't matter in the US?

My takeaway was I never got to form an opinion of Biden as Trump wouldn't shut up. I'd like to hear what Biden has to say without Trump rabbiting on over him and interrupting.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 01, 2020, 05:11:38 PM
Although I will still vote Trump, because the alternative is Marxism, I was rather disappointed in him for the reasons Manny mentioned.

Also please notice, the media narrative of alleged white supremacy, is just that. It's an allegation they keep making based on the false narrative they are pushing.

How it works is simple: any normal red-blooded American who stands up against wealth redistribution and full on Marxist bullshit, gets labeled as "far right extremists" or "white supremacists". Pure Marxist BS and straight out of the Goebbels handbook.

Black criminal thugs who want to steal their way into power cannot be denounced by this false narrative; but denounce them we must. And denounce Antifa.

The media needs to be in prison.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 01, 2020, 05:14:20 PM
Next pile of steaming cow shit: Russian disinformation. Blah blah blah.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on October 01, 2020, 06:17:03 PM
I watched the highlights of the debate.

I never got to form an opinion of Biden as Trump constantly talked over and interrupted him. The moderator did a piss poor job of shutting Trump up. I read that in future, because of Trump's rude and boorish performance, the moderator will have a button to turn off the microphone so the other can speak.

Even if Trump's message was right, I want to hear the other guy to form my own opinion. And I couldn't. I think Trump performed as expected: badly. Anything he had to say was diluted by his arrogance and bad manners towards Biden. Probably to his detriment.

Not Trump's finest hour from this side of the pond. Here that would have been political suicide. But our friends over the pond seem to be OK with Trump's rudeness and boorish 'grab em by the pussy' behaviour, so if that damaged him or not, only our American members will know.

What Trump said about drug prices and big pharma was interesting and well overdue. But the message is lost because he can't conduct himself like a normal person. Its like debating with Moby, he just screams till he drowns out others. He simply isn't a statesman. But maybe that doesn't matter in the US?

My takeaway was I never got to form an opinion of Biden as Trump wouldn't shut up. I'd like to hear what Biden has to say without Trump rabbiting on over him and interrupting.


There is a lot of things I do not like about Trump. Well do you remember Obama. Biden is pretty much going back to that but only worse as the liberals have become so much more liberal. I think Trump is one of the least cultured world leaders. He does say things that are bad for him and the country that just did not need to be said at all.

The Chinese problem is something that needed to be handled twenty years ago but it has always been kiss up to them become one day they would have this huge market that we would share in. Well they have a big market but we no longer make anything and sell nothing in this market other than grain and pork bellies. They steel all our technology, disrupt our foreign policy, and try to do everything they can to destroy our country. Now why are we for all these years trying to kiss up to the Chinese?

Now lets look at what happen with bidden. He took his son to China on the vice presidential jet where as a sign of good faith the Chinese found a 50,000 dollar a month job for Hunter Biden for doing nothing. Just a friendly gesture so he would continue to look the other way while they rip off the USA. What a deal a sell out for only fifty thousand dollars a month. I am sure the Chinese are still laughing about it. Between that and his Ukraine job where what he did was use to get countries to dropped charges against the gas company he worked for Hunter made over 100,000 a month. What a cheap sell out!!!!

Now look at Russia. Well USA relationship with Russia would likely get much worse with Bidden president. Trump does not have much use for Europe in general and eastern Europe even less. Now Biden would get very involved with eastern Europe. So all of you Russia fans please note the difference.

Trump is now saying he is going to have a trade deal with China before the election. The last thing in this world I want is a trade deal with China. We have had fifty years of trade deals with China and it has been the worse foreign policy we could possibly of had. I am sure if Trump does not have a trade deal with China Bidden will. Trade deals with China is what makes poor working USAians poorer. Trade deal with China are a complete sell out of the USA. I am very disappointed.

Obama did this thing where we can not have foreign bank accounts. It is away to make it harder for us to evade taxes the liberals want so much to collect so the pass it out to those who are better at rioting and looting than working. It also makes it harder to have a small business in a foreign country.  The democrat are working on a digital currency that will replace the dollar. It is away to be sure they collect taxes on everything. India has already has this. China is working on doing this and they already use smart phones to pay for most items so it is not a big change for them. In the bible they talk about the mark of the beast where you can not buy or sell anything without it. Well it is about to happen.


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 01, 2020, 08:57:11 PM
If Trump loses will he accept the results?

That's the Million dollar question.

No, the real question is, will Biden?

Trump has already said he will accept the results of a fair election.  The question is a set up by the media to criticize Trump if he, within the bounds of the law, contests the election.

Biden, OTOH, is already set up to litigate the results to a fare-the-well, like Al Gore on steroids, yet the liberal media never asks Biden the same question.  He's go nowhere else to go, and the Dems have this nutty idea that Gore "really won" (he didn't) and the same for Hillary! because they don't understand that in the Electoral College, unlike in golf, the low score does not win.

It's similar to the media's "muh White SUPREMEAZIZZMZ!" obsession.  They keep asking Trump to reject it, despite his repeted statements doing just that. (https://twitter.com/i/status/1311711610759712772)

But they never call out Biden on his own racist past - the 1994 crime bill, how he waxes fondly about working with racists, segregationist senators who called him 'son', how he stated that he didn't want his sons to grow up in a 'racial jungle', and his continuous gaffes:

“Well, I tell you what, if you have a problem figuring out whether you’re for me or Trump, then you ain’t black.”

“You got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”

“Unlike the African-American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly diverse attitudes about different things.”

Biden continuously gets a pass for this, while Trump continuously gets questions over something he has repeatedly condemned.

B/B

Glad you weighed in on this.

PBS has some liberal black woman on right now blaming the lack of decorum on Trump.

In reality it was Biden who told Trump to shut up and Biden who called the POTUS a clown.

Not surprisingly Biden gets a pass but Trump doesn't.

Same liberal bias and BS as always.

Vote Trump and hope we're not heading into a civil war.

Although if Portland and Seattle had about 1,000 fewer members of Antifa most Americans would be okay with that.  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on October 01, 2020, 09:15:18 PM
But our friends over the pond seem to be OK with Trump's rudeness and boorish 'grab em by the pussy' behaviour, so if that damaged him or not, only our American members will know.

. . . .

My takeaway was I never got to form an opinion of Biden as Trump wouldn't shut up. I'd like to hear what Biden has to say without Trump rabbiting on over him and interrupting.

So, here's the thing:  Biden is supposed to be a "kindly grandpa" guy, but he's really a  :censored: ing brain dead corporate sellout who was happy to be racist as  :censored:  when it suited his purposes - he has bragged about how well he got along with racist, segregationist southern senators during his 180 years in the Senate.  He also has talked about how he didn't want his sons to grow up in a "racial jungle". 

Now, I wouldn't want that either, but I'm not advertising myself as the "Kumbaya, Joy/Peace/Love" candidate.

Meanwhile, the Leftist Retards are pissing all over themselves because, "OMG!  TRUMP DIDN't DENOUNCE WHITE SUPREMACISTS!!! OMGEEEEEE!!!"  Never mind that's he's already done so like a million, billion times (http://1311711610759712772).

Is it the fcuking white supremacists out burning down Portland, Minneapolis and Seattle? 

The Dems want to pack the court, abolish the electoral college, uses the FBI to spy on political opponents, refuses to concede elections, and weaponizes impeachment and yet somehow, it's TRUMP who is a threat to democracy?

Am I missing something here?

As someone who wants low taxes, conservative judges, is pro gun rights, thinks we should get to control our borders, is pro-fair trade and pro-patriotism, at this point I do not give a SHIT who Trump "grabs by the pussy" or even if he DOES shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue.

Why?

Because our choice is between upholding our civilization or tearing it down. 

B/B

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on October 01, 2020, 09:33:59 PM

As someone who wants low taxes, conservative judges, is pro gun rights, thinks we should get to control our borders, is pro-fair trade and pro-patriotism, at this point I do not give a SHIT who Trump "grabs by the pussy" or even if he DOES shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue.


Yesterday came back from Manhattan and Williamsburg. In midtown you could use a shot gun and perhaps hit a rat.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 01, 2020, 09:41:08 PM

My takeaway was I never got to form an opinion of Biden as Trump wouldn't shut up. I'd like to hear what Biden has to say without Trump rabbiting on over him and interrupting.

Watch carefully.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on October 01, 2020, 11:23:13 PM

Trump and Melania have COVID-19
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 02, 2020, 10:00:10 AM
Trump and First Lady have Covid.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/10/02/us/trump-vs-biden
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on October 02, 2020, 05:25:07 PM

Melania is still at the White House but bad news for Trump, he had to go to the hospital. If you want to know what a President gets for treatment, Trump has been treated with one dose of Regeneron's polyclonal antibody cocktail, as well as zinc, vitamin D, the antihistamine famotidine, melatonin and aspirin.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/read-update-from-white-house-doctor-on-trump-s-covid-19-treatment/ar-BB19ElVj?ocid=msedgdhp

Now with Trump down, who gets the nuclear football? Biden wants the ball!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 02, 2020, 06:19:46 PM

Melania is still at the White House but bad news for Trump, he had to go to the hospital. If you want to know what a President gets for treatment, Trump has been treated with one dose of Regeneron's polyclonal antibody cocktail, as well as zinc, vitamin D, the antihistamine famotidine, melatonin and aspirin.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/read-update-from-white-house-doctor-on-trump-s-covid-19-treatment/ar-BB19ElVj?ocid=msedgdhp

Now with Trump down, who gets the nuclear football? Biden wants the ball!

That's a misprint. Famotidine is not an antihistamine, it's an acid reducer aka pepcid ac.

I wonder if he's actually been given budesonide.

Maybe he also gave Biden covid at the debate.

https://investor.regeneron.com/news-releases/news-release-details/regenerons-regn-cov2-antibody-cocktail-reduced-viral-levels-and
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on October 02, 2020, 11:15:08 PM
Melania is still at the White House but bad news for Trump, he had to go to the hospital.

I’d imagine that was precautionary as he’s an old and overweight bloke.

Guess he didn’t want that hydroxy stuff he was endorsing not long back.

From what I just read, that ‘Regeneron's polyclonal antibody cocktail’ that we’ve never heard of would seem to be the treatment nobody knows about. It was obvious they had one tucked up their sleeve.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on October 03, 2020, 12:00:35 AM
I’d imagine that was precautionary as he’s an old and overweight bloke.


Boris went to the hospital and it turned out he really needed to go. I'm sure Trump wants his wife to have the very best medical attention too but apparently she's quarantining at the White House. They may be downplaying Trump's visit to the hospital but if they don't send him home soon, I'm going to say it's worse than what they're reporting.

Guess he didn’t want that hydroxy stuff he was endorsing not long back.

From what I just read, that ‘Regeneron's polyclonal antibody cocktail’ that we’ve never heard of would seem to be the treatment nobody knows about. It was obvious they had one tucked up their sleeve.

Leading medical experts moved on from HQC. Back then Trump promoted it to give people hope. Regeneron is a new experimental treatment. There's still no proven treatment for any coronavirus.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on October 03, 2020, 01:24:48 AM
 Trump announced he quit taking Hydroxy in April, maybe now he wishes he didn't!

 Medical experts may have moved on from hydroxy, but front line doctors haven't. Just tonight I saw this guy interviewed on OAN about the success he has had with it. About 1700 cases treated and NO deaths, none! And the majority of patients were treated with hydroxy, you can't tell me that's coincidence. The guy is from a reputable clinic and seems to have his head screwed on straight and brings up some good points about why it isn't as dangerous as claimed, and how successful trials with it have been ignored by the so called experts.

I couldn't find a link to the OAN interview but here is one from a San Diego news station. Note that this was done recently, Sept 15th


 We'll have to see if this guy is going to be next in line to be labelled a quack!  (:)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on October 03, 2020, 01:31:57 AM
He was getting weaker during the day. While reading an article in it they said they wanted him to go to the hospital while he could still walk.  I am assuming he was going down hill fast. There is a lot of people working in the White house who have this now.  No body used mask or any type of virus protection. Now it is a huge mess.

Herman Cain went to one of Trumps events and died of the coronavirus a couple of weeks later.  There is this belief that the virus is not all that dangerous among many right wing people which I do not understand.

Now even if he can make the next debate how is he going to try to say the virus is under control?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/invincibility-punctured-by-infection-how-the-coronavirus-spread-in-trump-s-white-house/ar-BB19ELb3?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Steveboy on October 03, 2020, 03:18:59 AM
Did he cough on to Biden during the debate the other day? Please say yes!!

Im not worried about trump.. but Im off to church in a few minutes hoping Biden gets a dose.. and whilst on the ventilator that breaks down..!

He is one bad piece of shit that guy along with his mentally retarded son..

Hopefully to join his mate in HELL

(https://scontent.fhel6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/40243244_10212914662598060_5838846561026572288_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=UVs8b-0VrKMAX_-55yH&_nc_ht=scontent.fhel6-1.fna&oh=ad73812e4d9ad7fda710effc3e189ec2&oe=5F9EDD66)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Danchik on October 03, 2020, 07:12:23 AM
The debate was hard to watch. Chris Wallace is a joke, but Trump would have been better off letting Biden talk more. Maybe turning off the mic for the one not answering the question would be a good start for any future debate. But to summarise the debate in 1 word - awful.

For me it wasn't awful however for sure Trump should have let Biden speak without the interuptions.

It boggles my mind that Biden can make excuses for his son's obvious corruption with a straight face but that's what politicians do.
Well, it was a one word summary.

It's funny, but lately I have been telling people how Trump has started to "grow" into being presidential. He still can't completely lose the New York swag, but he certainly, to this poster, has been more diplomatic.

I just thought he reverted to form when he didn't have to. Not sure who's advising him, but it was bad advise to be so aggressive, or maybe he just decided to go rogue.

I also think that what worked against Hillary will backfire against Biden with the undecided voter. Trump has his supporters and Biden/Democrats have theirs, these people will not change their mind no matter what happens during the debates.. Hillary was a c&*% and the undecided voter found her easy to hate. Biden is a more sympathetic "candidate" to the people on the fence and should be seen that way.

At least that's the view from this angle.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Steveboy on October 03, 2020, 07:29:49 AM
Did he cough on to Biden during the debate the other day? Please say yes!!

Im not worried about trump.. but Im off to church in a few minutes hoping Biden gets a dose.. and whilst on the ventilator that breaks down..!

He is one bad piece of shit that guy along with his mentally retarded son..

Hopefully to join his mate in HELL

(https://scontent.fhel6-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/40243244_10212914662598060_5838846561026572288_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=UVs8b-0VrKMAX_-55yH&_nc_ht=scontent.fhel6-1.fna&oh=ad73812e4d9ad7fda710effc3e189ec2&oe=5F9EDD66)


The bast**** has a cough!! There is hope yet!!!

https://www.rt.com/usa/502310-biden-speech-supporters-obsess/?fbclid=IwAR3P8IV6GiLe2mWDOqdFgSybXUxPyAY7hZs8jsbuj1BCn99vffGZENsIy-Q
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 03, 2020, 10:54:51 AM
The debate was hard to watch. Chris Wallace is a joke, but Trump would have been better off letting Biden talk more. Maybe turning off the mic for the one not answering the question would be a good start for any future debate. But to summarise the debate in 1 word - awful.

For me it wasn't awful however for sure Trump should have let Biden speak without the interuptions.

It boggles my mind that Biden can make excuses for his son's obvious corruption with a straight face but that's what politicians do.
Well, it was a one word summary.

It's funny, but lately I have been telling people how Trump has started to "grow" into being presidential. He still can't completely lose the New York swag, but he certainly, to this poster, has been more diplomatic.

I just thought he reverted to form when he didn't have to. Not sure who's advising him, but it was bad advise to be so aggressive, or maybe he just decided to go rogue.

I also think that what worked against Hillary will backfire against Biden with the undecided voter. Trump has his supporters and Biden/Democrats have theirs, these people will not change their mind no matter what happens during the debates.. Hillary was a c&*% and the undecided voter found her easy to hate. Biden is a more sympathetic "candidate" to the people on the fence and should be seen that way.

At least that's the view from this angle.

Well said. Hope he gets over Covid.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 03, 2020, 11:21:59 AM
Quote

"The president’s vitals over the last 24 hours were very concerning and the next 48 hours will be critical in terms of his care," said a source familiar with Trump's health who spoke on the condition of anonymity. "We’re still not on a clear path to a full recovery."


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/10/03/trump-doing-very-well-says-white-house-physician-sean-conley/3607711001/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on October 03, 2020, 02:06:09 PM

As many of you already know, hydroxychloroquine pulled from emergency use and Trump stopped taking it months ago. What do some of the best doctors in the world give him? Remdesivir and regeneron which are experimental treatments but are approved for emergency use.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-covid-19-treatments-remdesivir-and-regeneron-antibody-drug-combo-2020-10
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on October 03, 2020, 03:10:58 PM
But our friends over the pond seem to be OK with Trump's rudeness and boorish 'grab em by the pussy' behaviour, so if that damaged him or not, only our American members will know.

. . . .

My takeaway was I never got to form an opinion of Biden as Trump wouldn't shut up. I'd like to hear what Biden has to say without Trump rabbiting on over him and interrupting.

So, here's the thing:  Biden is supposed to be a "kindly grandpa" guy, but he's really a  :censored: ing brain dead corporate sellout who was happy to be racist as  :censored:  when it suited his purposes - he has bragged about how well he got along with racist, segregationist southern senators during his 180 years in the Senate.  He also has talked about how he didn't want his sons to grow up in a "racial jungle". 

Now, I wouldn't want that either, but I'm not advertising myself as the "Kumbaya, Joy/Peace/Love" candidate.

Meanwhile, the Leftist Retards are pissing all over themselves because, "OMG!  TRUMP DIDN't DENOUNCE WHITE SUPREMACISTS!!! OMGEEEEEE!!!"  Never mind that's he's already done so like a million, billion times (http://1311711610759712772).

Is it the fcuking white supremacists out burning down Portland, Minneapolis and Seattle? 

The Dems want to pack the court, abolish the electoral college, uses the FBI to spy on political opponents, refuses to concede elections, and weaponizes impeachment and yet somehow, it's TRUMP who is a threat to democracy?

Am I missing something here?

As someone who wants low taxes, conservative judges, is pro gun rights, thinks we should get to control our borders, is pro-fair trade and pro-patriotism, at this point I do not give a SHIT who Trump "grabs by the pussy" or even if he DOES shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue.

Why?

Because our choice is between upholding our civilization or tearing it down. 

B/B

That’s a pretty good synopsis. I guess I didn’t need to really hear what he had to say.  :-*
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 03, 2020, 06:29:44 PM
But our friends over the pond seem to be OK with Trump's rudeness and boorish 'grab em by the pussy' behaviour, so if that damaged him or not, only our American members will know.

. . . .

My takeaway was I never got to form an opinion of Biden as Trump wouldn't shut up. I'd like to hear what Biden has to say without Trump rabbiting on over him and interrupting.

So, here's the thing:  Biden is supposed to be a "kindly grandpa" guy, but he's really a  :censored: ing brain dead corporate sellout who was happy to be racist as  :censored:  when it suited his purposes - he has bragged about how well he got along with racist, segregationist southern senators during his 180 years in the Senate.  He also has talked about how he didn't want his sons to grow up in a "racial jungle". 

Now, I wouldn't want that either, but I'm not advertising myself as the "Kumbaya, Joy/Peace/Love" candidate.

Meanwhile, the Leftist Retards are pissing all over themselves because, "OMG!  TRUMP DIDN't DENOUNCE WHITE SUPREMACISTS!!! OMGEEEEEE!!!"  Never mind that's he's already done so like a million, billion times (http://1311711610759712772).

Is it the fcuking white supremacists out burning down Portland, Minneapolis and Seattle? 

The Dems want to pack the court, abolish the electoral college, uses the FBI to spy on political opponents, refuses to concede elections, and weaponizes impeachment and yet somehow, it's TRUMP who is a threat to democracy?

Am I missing something here?

As someone who wants low taxes, conservative judges, is pro gun rights, thinks we should get to control our borders, is pro-fair trade and pro-patriotism, at this point I do not give a SHIT who Trump "grabs by the pussy" or even if he DOES shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue.

Why?

Because our choice is between upholding our civilization or tearing it down. 

B/B

That’s a pretty good synopsis. I guess I didn’t need to really hear what he had to say.  :-*

But did you watch the video I posted of Biden for you?

Because that's the real Biden and it isn't PC. His current image is contrived.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on October 03, 2020, 10:32:36 PM

Today Trump thanks people around the world and speaks to the American people. This is not a hoax. This is definitely not a hoax!

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on October 04, 2020, 04:32:33 AM

Today Trump thanks people around the world and speaks to the American people. This is not a hoax. This is definitely not a hoax!


It’s sad to read the hate filled comments from the tolerant left, openly hoping for Donald Trump’s death. I’m not just talking about Joe Bloggs on Facebook but some fairly public politicians, political aids and celebrity.

I want Trump to get re-elected so we Brits have a better chance of a good trade deal but most importantly, I want to sit back and embrace the epic snowflake meltdown that’s sure to follow.

 :popcorn:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on October 04, 2020, 05:51:49 AM

Today Trump thanks people around the world and speaks to the American people. This is not a hoax. This is definitely not a hoax!


It’s sad to read the hate filled comments from the tolerant left, openly hoping for Donald Trump’s death. I’m not just talking about Joe Bloggs on Facebook but some fairly public politicians, political aids and celebrity.

I want Trump to get re-elected so we Brits have a better chance of a good trade deal but most importantly, I want to sit back and embrace the epic snowflake meltdown that’s sure to follow.

 :popcorn:

 I want him re-elected to keep our govt in check and slow the socialist push going on here. The way he boosted the US economy and dropped unemployment after he got in while our Liberal govt was running our country into the ground was a real threat to them. It made the people here sit up and take note, say why are we doing so poorly when our next door neighbor is prospering. You could really see it on our media too, they really started pushing anti Trump news a couple years ago. We need more of him to help rid us of these Liberal bloodsuckers that are pushing us all down to poverty level
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on October 04, 2020, 09:35:40 AM
Trump is on a very good therapy and he is on it early in his infection. I expect he will he well soon. I have a friend whose sister was put on a similar type of therapy and and went from almost dead to better in a few days. For reasons she nor I understand, she was latter  told they found out this type of therapy did not work. She was a medical doctor and knows all the right people to get the very best treatment. She got the disease from working with covert patients. But for some reason they seem to not want to let it out how much progress they have made in threating this disease. 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 04, 2020, 12:24:53 PM
Texan, what are Covert patients? Are they captured Russian spies who get sick? Spell check is your friend.

Biden called blacks "predators" and he sponsored the 1994 crime bill which disproportionately affected black males.

President Trump signed criminal justice reform to rectify this injustice.

Quote

"The bill, called the First Step Act, reduces mandatory minimum sentences in certain instances and expands on "good time credits" for well-behaved prisoners looking for shorter sentences."


https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/422517-trump-signs-criminal-justice-reform-bill
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on October 04, 2020, 12:26:26 PM
A very weak looking Trump gives short speech from Hospital. Say he expects to be better in a few days. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-i-feel-much-better-now/vi-BB19GKIY?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on October 04, 2020, 12:48:45 PM
Saving Trump!
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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on October 04, 2020, 01:05:03 PM
It’s sad to read the hate filled comments from the tolerant left, openly hoping for Donald Trump’s death. I’m not just talking about Joe Bloggs on Facebook but some fairly public politicians, political aids and celebrity.

I want Trump to get re-elected so we Brits have a better chance of a good trade deal but most importantly, I want to sit back and embrace the epic snowflake meltdown that’s sure to follow.

 :popcorn:

 I want him re-elected to keep our govt in check and slow the socialist push going on here. The way he boosted the US economy and dropped unemployment after he got in while our Liberal govt was running our country into the ground was a real threat to them. It made the people here sit up and take note, say why are we doing so poorly when our next door neighbor is prospering. You could really see it on our media too, they really started pushing anti Trump news a couple years ago. We need more of him to help rid us of these Liberal bloodsuckers that are pushing us all down to poverty level


Hello my Canadian Friend,
Those liberals are not pushing Socialism.  Most of them have big $ relationship with ChiNazi. The remaining are threatened by ChiNazi who have corrupted western politicians with $ and Sexual Bribes, Sex recordings, etc.

There is one and only one Enemy behind all of those liberals - ChiNazi.

Once we cut all the forex supply to ChiNazi, the good old order will recover.  Bad people will become good again.  More jobs will come back.  A new, large and healthy market will appear in Asia, similar to the old Japan and 4 Small Dragons.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 04, 2020, 04:37:18 PM
Trump makes an unannounced trip outside to wave to supporters.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/oct/04/donald-trump-covid-coronavirus-election-joe-biden-usa-us-politics-live-news-latest-updates
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 04, 2020, 04:57:55 PM
Biden leads by 10 points.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-idUSKBN26P0DB
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Orchid on October 04, 2020, 05:34:57 PM
Biden leads by 10 points.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-idUSKBN26P0DB

The difference between Trump and Biden is that Biden can choose who to meet, how many to meet, and where to meet.
President Trump does his job by meeting who he must to meet.
The locations of those meetings are limited due to security issues.
His schedule is immensely dense. He does not have much control over it.
Wearing a mask all the time can be damaging.
One example: we rebreathe the exhaled CO2 wearing a mask.
He should be more aggressive moving to virtual meetings.
Again, with the experience of FBI spying on him, every his fart would be recorded.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 04, 2020, 06:51:23 PM
Biden leads by 10 points.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-idUSKBN26P0DB

The difference between Trump and Biden is that Biden can choose who to meet, how many to meet, and where to meet.
President Trump does his job by meeting who he must to meet.
The locations of those meetings are limited due to security issues.
His schedule is immensely dense. He does not have much control over it.
Wearing a mask all the time can be damaging.
One example: we rebreathe the exhaled CO2 wearing a mask.
He should be more aggressive moving to virtual meetings.
Again, with the experience of FBI spying on him, every his fart would be recorded.

That's right, thanks to the treason of Obama the FBI was spying on him before he was even sworn in as President.

Even so and even though the media has treated him horribly he is a tough smart man and he's done a great job for the American people.

He isn't perfect but he does have my vote.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on October 04, 2020, 07:38:25 PM
Again, with the experience of FBI spying on him, every his fart would be recorded.

Curious is that brain farts or anal farts?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on October 04, 2020, 08:21:56 PM
Biden leads by 10 points.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-idUSKBN26P0DB

Yesterday Biden led by 2 points. Depends on what poll you want to use. Hillary was up 2 points or more in every poll the day before the last election. She has bragging rights but the only poll that counts is the last one.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-turnaround-biden-lead-cut-to-49percent-47percent-covid-debate-dont-hurt-president/ar-BB19FGtx?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on October 06, 2020, 08:38:19 AM
Just as with the last general election, polling is being used as propaganda. As a result pollsters are using sample selection to produce the results they prefer, or that their clients are paying for.

Just as last time round, if a poll does not tell you the sampling strategy then it can be disregarded as propaganda. If the sample selection is shown, you can recalculate with a more appropriate split. Democrat leaning pollsters are, as before, oversampling democrats in their sample universe.

I am sure that the party managers have 'proper' poll data. The democrats, if they have any sense, will, this time round choose to not believe their own propaganda and will rely for their campaign management on real polling data.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Orchid on October 06, 2020, 09:57:44 AM
Again, with the experience of FBI spying on him, every his fart would be recorded.

Curious is that brain farts or anal farts?

Both.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 09, 2020, 11:30:50 AM
Just as with the last general election, polling is being used as propaganda. As a result pollsters are using sample selection to produce the results they prefer, or that their clients are paying for.

Just as last time round, if a poll does not tell you the sampling strategy then it can be disregarded as propaganda. If the sample selection is shown, you can recalculate with a more appropriate split. Democrat leaning pollsters are, as before, oversampling democrats in their sample universe.

I am sure that the party managers have 'proper' poll data. The democrats, if they have any sense, will, this time round choose to not believe their own propaganda and will rely for their campaign management on real polling data.

Real polling data IMO shows a tight race, favorable to Biden by 2 to 5 points.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on October 16, 2020, 04:45:32 AM
Confederate, I am not following the polling and the underlying data as closely this time round. My surmise is that last time where the polling was egregiously propagandising for Clinton. She was presented as such a sure thing that many voters stayed home because they felt they didn't need to vote.

This time, people will be encouraged to believe that their vote for Biden matters. So polling is still misleading. The 'real' polling to which you refer, have you looked at the underlying data to reach your conclusion or are you relying upon the commentary of 'experts' to whom you have surrendered your trust?

Last time, apart from a single wobble, I was sure that Trump would win. This time the picture is more complex, largely due to the impact of the plague on USAian society. I reckon Trump still has it, but much less certainty.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 16, 2020, 11:24:57 AM
TBH it's completely a guess at this point.

If I can find something that's readable I am willing to look at it.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on October 16, 2020, 12:49:53 PM
There's nothing definite, even if the election is completely honest - which it isn't and won't be.

I've not been looking closely like last time but it certainly seems closer than last time.

Last time it wasn't definite either. I was much more confident based on the 'real' numbers that I was checking out. But I wasn't guessing either.

I guess what I'm saying is that data, decently analysed, can give insights into uncertain situations. That's what the people using the real polling data are doing all the time. The polling they use is not the same as the polling we see. All we can do is draw inferences from what we can see - we need to look beyond the headlines that we're fed. If I remember rightly, during the last election I wrote about some things we can do to see beyond the headlines derived from public polling.

The last time around, it seemed to me that the Democrat campaign managers believed their own hype and that misled them. Team Trump's people were much more professional. The Democrats will not make that mistake again. It certainly seems that they are messaging the polling that is published in a different way to before. I take that as a sign that the Democrats are working more efficiently and effectively than before. That's a reason why 'guessing' the outcome is harder now. We can see that they are not playing into failure.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on October 16, 2020, 02:48:14 PM
"He wants to build a wall to keep the Mexicans out."

There is so much USA investment in Mexico it might end up being a Wall to keep USAians out of Mexico. Mexico has displaced China to become the largest trading partner of the USA. This trend is expected to grow in coming years.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 16, 2020, 06:11:35 PM
President Trump acknowledges Jesus Christ.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4915691/user-clip-trump-acknowledges-jesus-greatness
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on October 16, 2020, 07:26:20 PM
Real polling data IMO shows a tight race, favorable to Biden by 2 to 5 points.

We'll se how that holds up as more revelations come out about the Biden Crime Family.  :chuckle:

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on October 17, 2020, 03:06:51 AM
Real polling data IMO shows a tight race, favorable to Biden by 2 to 5 points.

We'll se how that holds up as more revelations come out about the Biden Crime Family.  :chuckle:

B/B


My American Friend,
I doubt whether those Americans living in the middle of USA watch Fox News or any alternative news sources.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2020, 05:15:07 PM
President Trump versus the deep state.

Quote

“I’m not saying the military’s in love with me. The soldiers are. The top people in the Pentagon probably aren’t because they want to do nothing but fight wars so all of those wonderful companies that make the bombs and make the planes and make everything else stay happy."


https://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-deep-state-trump-upend-neocolonial-world-order/5726662
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2020, 05:19:59 PM
Real polling data IMO shows a tight race, favorable to Biden by 2 to 5 points.

We'll se how that holds up as more revelations come out about the Biden Crime Family.  :chuckle:

B/B


My American Friend,
I doubt whether those Americans living in the middle of USA watch Fox News or any alternative news sources.

That's the problem. TPTB are working overtime to discredit the Hunter Biden story. The crooks want a crook in the White House.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on October 18, 2020, 06:54:55 PM
Texan77, the position you quoted is not as encouraging as you think.

Trading partnerships are a term that describes the total value of both imports and exports. The Trump regime claims to want to onshore manufacturing which would tend to decrease the need for imports and at the same time create new export possibilities.

The aggregate position, in dollar terms, puts Mexico as the largest partner in terms of the total value of both imports and exports. That's in goods alone.

However, when considering imports and exports separately the picture is not as rosy as you might want to think.

China exports more to the USA than any other single country. Mexico is several percent behind.

US exports to China are falling. That's not good for the United States.

Overall, the US trade deficit is at record highs. That's the real problem, not the Chinese. Its a USAian problem - not being competitive in global markets and lacking the capability to manufacture goods in the United States.

It looks from the outside that you're being bamboozled and misled. China is the scapegoat for a problem that is not of China's making. The trade deficit cannot be solved by reducing imports from China while increasing them from other countries. You poor people are being distracted by smoke and mirrors.

Worth looking at as well is the position in the value chain of USAian exports. They tend to be commodities and raw materials. That's not a sign of a healthy, advanced economy. Developing countries tend to be exporters of this type of product.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 18, 2020, 08:32:42 PM
Pro Trump caravan in Miami has 1,000 or more supporters.

https://news.yahoo.com/ahead-early-voting-dueling-campaign-002817182.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on October 19, 2020, 05:19:11 AM
Texan77, the position you quoted is not as encouraging as you think.

Trading partnerships are a term that describes the total value of both imports and exports. The Trump regime claims to want to onshore manufacturing which would tend to decrease the need for imports and at the same time create new export possibilities.

The aggregate position, in dollar terms, puts Mexico as the largest partner in terms of the total value of both imports and exports. That's in goods alone.

However, when considering imports and exports separately the picture is not as rosy as you might want to think.

China exports more to the USA than any other single country. Mexico is several percent behind.

US exports to China are falling. That's not good for the United States.

Overall, the US trade deficit is at record highs. That's the real problem, not the Chinese. Its a USAian problem - not being competitive in global markets and lacking the capability to manufacture goods in the United States.

It looks from the outside that you're being bamboozled and misled. China is the scapegoat for a problem that is not of China's making. The trade deficit cannot be solved by reducing imports from China while increasing them from other countries. You poor people are being distracted by smoke and mirrors.

Worth looking at as well is the position in the value chain of USAian exports. They tend to be commodities and raw materials. That's not a sign of a healthy, advanced economy. Developing countries tend to be exporters of this type of product.

Local USA media has said a number of times in recent weeks that Mexico is now our largest trading partner. I do not know what all this other stuff you wrote about it surely does not have anything to do with my post.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on October 19, 2020, 05:33:12 AM
Texan77, sorry that you can't understand what you read.

I was commenting on the 'good news' of Mexico having been the largest trading partner of the United States during the first half of 2019.

If you reread my words, maybe ask for help (?) you'll learn what the trading partnership actually means, why it is a deceptive number, and why its increase, for USAians, is not a good thing.

If you and your reading helper get stuck, just ask a question, I'll do my best to help you.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Danchik on October 20, 2020, 03:43:13 AM
Pro Trump caravan in Miami has 1,000 or more supporters.

https://news.yahoo.com/ahead-early-voting-dueling-campaign-002817182.html
I can't explain it, but my gut told me Trump would win in 2016 even though just about everyone and their brother thought Hillary was a shoe in.

My gut tells me that the Dems will try to steal this election even though Trump should win going away. It wouldn't surprise me if Biden wins even though he might be the most "empty" politician over the last 50 years.

There has been a "masked" coup on Trump since he took office and Biden in the perfect puppet.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 20, 2020, 08:58:28 PM
Pro Trump caravan in Miami has 1,000 or more supporters.

https://news.yahoo.com/ahead-early-voting-dueling-campaign-002817182.html
I can't explain it, but my gut told me Trump would win in 2016 even though just about everyone and their brother thought Hillary was a shoe in.

My gut tells me that the Dems will try to steal this election even though Trump should win going away. It wouldn't surprise me if Biden wins even though he might be the most "empty" politician over the last 50 years.

There has been a "masked" coup on Trump since he took office and Biden in the perfect puppet.

Well said.

I also had confidence Trump would win in 2016, there are plenty of posts to prove it.

This election is up in the air and clearly some truly evil people are behind the events of this year which have harmed President Trump.

The fix is in or at least they seem to think so. Who knows what's going to happen? We are in for some tumultuous times ahead.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on October 20, 2020, 10:59:21 PM
Texan77, the position you quoted is not as encouraging as you think.

Trading partnerships are a term that describes the total value of both imports and exports. The Trump regime claims to want to onshore manufacturing which would tend to decrease the need for imports and at the same time create new export possibilities.

The aggregate position, in dollar terms, puts Mexico as the largest partner in terms of the total value of both imports and exports. That's in goods alone.

However, when considering imports and exports separately the picture is not as rosy as you might want to think.

China exports more to the USA than any other single country. Mexico is several percent behind.

US exports to China are falling. That's not good for the United States.

Overall, the US trade deficit is at record highs. That's the real problem, not the Chinese. Its a USAian problem - not being competitive in global markets and lacking the capability to manufacture goods in the United States.

It looks from the outside that you're being bamboozled and misled. China is the scapegoat for a problem that is not of China's making. The trade deficit cannot be solved by reducing imports from China while increasing them from other countries. You poor people are being distracted by smoke and mirrors.

Worth looking at as well is the position in the value chain of USAian exports. They tend to be commodities and raw materials. That's not a sign of a healthy, advanced economy. Developing countries tend to be exporters of this type of product.

Local USA media has said a number of times in recent weeks that Mexico is now our largest trading partner. I do not know what all this other stuff you wrote about it surely does not have anything to do with my post.

The USA is pulling out of China as a place where we can not count on further trade. It is not about economics it is about we are getting near being at war with them and we need supplies that are close. So Mexico will continue to grow. It is a standing joke in Texas that the fence will end up being a fence to keep USAians in rather than Mexicans out. 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on October 21, 2020, 03:56:48 AM
Texan77, the position you quoted is not as encouraging as you think.

Trading partnerships are a term that describes the total value of both imports and exports. The Trump regime claims to want to onshore manufacturing which would tend to decrease the need for imports and at the same time create new export possibilities.

The aggregate position, in dollar terms, puts Mexico as the largest partner in terms of the total value of both imports and exports. That's in goods alone.

However, when considering imports and exports separately the picture is not as rosy as you might want to think.

China exports more to the USA than any other single country. Mexico is several percent behind.

US exports to China are falling. That's not good for the United States.

Overall, the US trade deficit is at record highs. That's the real problem, not the Chinese. Its a USAian problem - not being competitive in global markets and lacking the capability to manufacture goods in the United States.

It looks from the outside that you're being bamboozled and misled. China is the scapegoat for a problem that is not of China's making. The trade deficit cannot be solved by reducing imports from China while increasing them from other countries. You poor people are being distracted by smoke and mirrors.

Worth looking at as well is the position in the value chain of USAian exports. They tend to be commodities and raw materials. That's not a sign of a healthy, advanced economy. Developing countries tend to be exporters of this type of product.

Local USA media has said a number of times in recent weeks that Mexico is now our largest trading partner. I do not know what all this other stuff you wrote about it surely does not have anything to do with my post.

The USA is pulling out of China as a place where we can not count on further trade. It is not about economics it is about we are getting near being at war with them and we need supplies that are close. So Mexico will continue to grow. It is a standing joke in Texas that the fence will end up being a fence to keep USAians in rather than Mexicans out.

Are you really close to being at war with China or are they simply a competitor and people like you feel the need to attack countries who compete?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on October 21, 2020, 03:57:33 AM
Texan77, there's no evidence that the USA is 'pulling out' of China. You are being confused. That's why you're being fed stories about trade partners rather than trade balances or import and export numbers. That's confusing language aimed at people like you.

The term 'trading partners' in the context you are using it is a political term. Like many political terms its purpose is to conceal and dissemble, not to inform.

Let's go back to basics to try to help you.
1) Setting aside the companies 'sanctioned' by the Cowboyland regime, do you believe that it is a good idea for the United States to refuse to export to China? (pull out of China)
2) Bearing in mind that purchase is a voluntary choice in almost every case, how do you think that decreased purchases of Cowboyland goods by China is evidence of a positive act by Cowboyland?
Of course it isn't! You're being misled.
3) What difference is made to the Cowboyland balance of payments by substitution of one source of imports for another?
Of course the answer is none. There's no economic benefit to the Cowboyland economy if the source changes and, of course, substituting low cost imports with higher cost imports tends to further weaken the Cowboyland economy.

Because data is the root of analysis let's look at the numbers and dates. https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/imports-from-china
Look at the 10 year trend in USA imports from China. Notice how they are strongly cyclical on an annual basis. Then look at the variance from the mean. Over the 10 year time frame you can see that the trend is upward.

Even accounting for the atypical decrease due to the global plague. There was a downturn during 2019 but not huge. Was that due to Cowboyland policy? It doesn't look like it, but if it was the policy is clearly no longer working.

So, please do not give credit to your masters for the current numbers, they are coincident with and related to the plague effects upon the Cowboyland economy. As you can see from the forecasts on the page, imports from China have already picked hugely and are expected to rise above 2019 during 2021.

Texan77, until you understand the words that you bandy  about and come to understand the processes they describe you're just repeating propaganda. That's just sad.

It does not take long to learn this stuff. As a soi disant 'investor' or 'trader' if you don't know these basics then you're not really an investor or trader - you can do no more than follow newsletter pundits and hope for the best.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on October 21, 2020, 04:46:46 AM
Australia and India have said they will cut off the China's India ocean access if China start being aggressive in South China sea. They ask the USA to back them up and that got Japanese involved. The Chinese are sending clear signaled they are planning to invade Taiwan.  The trouble with you guys you think every happens just the USA. The Quad was agreed on last summer and next month this will be there first practice together. Many companies are having parts made in Mexico.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/eyeing-china-australia-joins-quad-drill-with-us-japan-india/ar-BB1abRVZ?ocid=msedgntp

India is pushing for stopping the one china policy. Everything is now changing as India is the worlds number three power with nuclear weapons able to hit anywhere in China. I do not think it will go nuclear.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/india-us-likely-to-sign-pact-on-geospatial-cooperation/ar-BB1acJ6k?ocid=msedgntp

We had military pack with the other two countries it appears we will have one with India soon.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on October 21, 2020, 05:03:17 AM
The Chinese are sending clear signaled they are planning to invade Taiwan.

Really??
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on October 21, 2020, 05:32:20 AM
The Chinese are sending clear signaled they are planning to invade Taiwan.

Really??

Don't worry, it was in yesterday's Two Minute Hate message. They all got it, but some are more susceptible than others!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Dogsoldier on October 21, 2020, 08:59:20 AM
Australia and India have said they will cut off the China's India ocean access if China start being aggressive in South China sea. They ask the USA to back them up and that got Japanese involved. The Chinese are sending clear signaled they are planning to invade Taiwan.  The trouble with you guys you think every happens just the USA. The Quad was agreed on last summer and next month this will be there first practice together. Many companies are having parts made in Mexico.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/eyeing-china-australia-joins-quad-drill-with-us-japan-india/ar-BB1abRVZ?ocid=msedgntp

India is pushing for stopping the one china policy. Everything is now changing as India is the worlds number three power with nuclear weapons able to hit anywhere in China. I do not think it will go nuclear.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/india-us-likely-to-sign-pact-on-geospatial-cooperation/ar-BB1acJ6k?ocid=msedgntp

We had military pack with the other two countries it appears we will have one with India soon.
This is utter rubbish.

I don’t know where you get this ‘news’ from but you obviously don’t know very much about India’s foreign policy or the Quad.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 21, 2020, 11:27:48 AM
Andrew wrote:

"It does not take long to learn this stuff. As a soi disant 'investor' or 'trader' if you don't know these basics then you're not really an investor or trader - you can do no more than follow newsletter pundits and hope for the best."

Admittedly I go on a combination of my own hunches after reading a newsletter of a professional investor.

I don't think any of us here are pro investors. Tex seems to have the most experience.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 21, 2020, 12:15:07 PM
Andrew wrote:

"It does not take long to learn this stuff. As a soi disant 'investor' or 'trader' if you don't know these basics then you're not really an investor or trader - you can do no more than follow newsletter pundits and hope for the best."

Admittedly I go on a combination of my own hunches after reading a newsletter of a professional investor.

I don't think any of us here are pro investors. Tex seems to have the most experience.

Correction:

I forgot that Guile is actually a professional investor.

I suspect he and Cufflinks have the most experience.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 21, 2020, 02:40:02 PM
Australia and India have said they will cut off the China's India ocean access if China start being aggressive in South China sea. They ask the USA to back them up and that got Japanese involved. The Chinese are sending clear signaled they are planning to invade Taiwan.  The trouble with you guys you think every happens just the USA. The Quad was agreed on last summer and next month this will be there first practice together. Many companies are having parts made in Mexico.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/eyeing-china-australia-joins-quad-drill-with-us-japan-india/ar-BB1abRVZ?ocid=msedgntp

India is pushing for stopping the one china policy. Everything is now changing as India is the worlds number three power with nuclear weapons able to hit anywhere in China. I do not think it will go nuclear.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/india-us-likely-to-sign-pact-on-geospatial-cooperation/ar-BB1acJ6k?ocid=msedgntp

We had military pack with the other two countries it appears we will have one with India soon.

War?

China versus the USA?

https://www.globalresearch.ca/remake-1941-hitler-stalin-great-war/5720769
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on October 22, 2020, 12:05:25 AM
That’s a very interesting article, thanks.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 22, 2020, 02:14:25 PM
That’s a very interesting article, thanks.

You're welcome.

FINAL DEBATE TONIGHT

The final Presidential debate is tonight. Can President Trump still win the election? Editorial.

Quote

"for many Americans, Biden’s current position feels reminiscent of the two weeks before the 2016 election, when Hillary Clinton held a similar lead. At this point in 2016, FiveThirtyEight’s election model gave Hillary Clinton an 86% chance of winning. The same model now gives Biden an 88% chance."

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/biden-polls-hillary-trump-still-win-doug-schoen
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on October 25, 2020, 10:49:27 AM

If you monitor daily rallies on Youtube, Trump kicks azz. 835,000 people watching Trump's rally on Saturday with 32,000 thumbs up and 1200 thumbs down. 74,000 people watched Biden's rally on Saturday with 3200 thumbs up and 3900 thumbs down. I think most of that 74,000 watch the Biden rally to see how sorry it was. I did.

This polling company accurately polled Trump's win last time. Scroll down their page to see their polls of swing states. Trump will win most. Although the media intentionally uses polls that favor Biden, this pollster is sometimes 9 points off from the other polls in Trump's favor.

https://www.thetrafalgargroup.org/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on October 25, 2020, 11:14:32 AM


Took my wife to an outdoor gun range yesterday and nobody was wearing masks except me, my wife and the staff. Since the gun bays are right next to each other and each one was occupied so no 6 feet distancing, my wife made me put on a mask. I'm technically the boss of the household but she overrides me when it comes to safety. Although everybody had deadly weapons, everybody was friendly with each other. There were blacks, asians, old and young, and white guys covered in tattoos all enjoying their 2nd Amendment rights.

Here's a Trump vs Biden rally compilation. Start at the 25 second mark. Trump has much bigger rallies, and supporters organize huge automobile and boat convoys every weekend.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 25, 2020, 11:49:50 AM
The Biden post Covid gatherings were a joke!

Trump has always drawn huge crowds. How will they explain a Biden victory?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Orchid on October 26, 2020, 11:12:28 PM
The Biden post Covid gatherings were a joke!

Trump has always drawn huge crowds. How will they explain a Biden victory?

It is going to be a fraud, if he wins.

Have you seen the ceremony of Amy Barrett being sworn to Supreme Court?
Beautiful moment!
Trump’s speech was wonderful, and he never looked at any paper! All from the memory!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on October 27, 2020, 09:47:13 AM
My American Friends,
I heard rumour about this -
If Trump leads Biden while counting the opened vote tickets, Antifa and BLM,etc, will start a movement to overthrow Trump's presidency!

Beware of it.  ChiNazi is going to fight for their last stand!!!  They do not wish to lose their illegal wealth and their lives!!!

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on October 27, 2020, 09:50:04 AM
The Biden post Covid gatherings were a joke!

Trump has always drawn huge crowds. How will they explain a Biden victory?


Confederate,
I recall you said, "We will never let ChiNazi destroy our USA!"

Lead the Free World to fight back!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on October 27, 2020, 04:36:44 PM
Wow...

https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2020/10/26/this-is-the-michael-dukakis-election-of-2020-n2578789

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on October 27, 2020, 06:54:27 PM

This election feels like Deja vu all over again. In 2016 the FBI was in possession of a laptop where the owner(Weiner) was a pervert and involved with underage kids. The laptop had emails on them involving a presidential candidate. That presidential candidate lost. Same thing 2020.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on October 27, 2020, 07:06:14 PM

The polls are proving to be wrong. Some states have counted ballots and provided early numbers. In swing state Wisconsin, Trump is ahead by 6%

https://www.toptradeguru.com/news/wisconsin-early-ballot-returns-show-recent-polls-are-wrong-as-republicans-storm-the-polls-now-ahead-in-wi/

In swing state Michigan Trump is ahead by 2%

https://www.toptradeguru.com/news/republicans-now-lead-in-michigan-in-number-of-ballots-returned-experts-stunned/

The pollsters got cocky this year and claimed Texas is a swing state. Trump is ahead by 16%

https://www.toptradeguru.com/news/elections-2020/results/texas-early-ballot-returns-shows-polls-are-wrong/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on October 27, 2020, 07:10:39 PM
I would not sell the bear skin until you have skinned the bear.

In other words do not assume that Trump will 'win'.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 28, 2020, 01:54:19 PM
President Trump gains ground in Pennsylvania!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/2020-election-polls-trump-gains-pennsylvania-extends-lead-ohio-b1373690.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on October 28, 2020, 04:10:45 PM
So I plugged in what I thought would happen - and it comes out 269 to 269.

That will be interesting because, assuming there are no "faithless electors", in the House (which chooses the president in the event of a tie) the Dems are in control, BUT the votes in this case would be by state, so each state delegation would get one vote. 

The GOP controls 26 state delegations, the Dems 23 and 1 is split. 

Nancy Pelosi would be faced with (a) presiding over the election of Donald Trump, or (b) trying to find a way to steal the election.

 :popcorn:

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 28, 2020, 06:50:54 PM
So I plugged in what I thought would happen - and it comes out 269 to 269.

That will be interesting because, assuming there are no "faithless electors", in the House (which chooses the president in the event of a tie) the Dems are in control, BUT the votes in this case would be by state, so each state delegation would get one vote. 

The GOP controls 26 state delegations, the Dems 23 and 1 is split. 

Nancy Pelosi would be faced with (a) presiding over the election of Donald Trump, or (b) trying to find a way to steal the election.

 :popcorn:

B/B

I can just see Pelosi grimacing as she presides over that.

Will she have a Constitution on hand to tear up?  :laugh:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on October 29, 2020, 03:24:55 AM
Mrs Nancy Pelosi herself is a great woman.  She supports poor China people.  She especially supports HongKongers from her heart.  We respect her very much.  If she needs our help in return, we will not refuse.

But I hate her dirty ChiNazi lackey friends such as Biden, Kerry, etc.

Lets make NyLonKong great again!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on October 29, 2020, 03:58:51 AM
So I plugged in what I thought would happen - and it comes out 269 to 269.

That will be interesting because, assuming there are no "faithless electors", in the House (which chooses the president in the event of a tie) the Dems are in control, BUT the votes in this case would be by state, so each state delegation would get one vote. 

The GOP controls 26 state delegations, the Dems 23 and 1 is split. 

Nancy Pelosi would be faced with (a) presiding over the election of Donald Trump, or (b) trying to find a way to steal the election.

 :popcorn:

B/B

I can just see Pelosi grimacing as she presides over that.

Will she have a Constitution on hand to tear up?  :laugh:

I'd love to see something as controversial and unpopular as that.  :ROFL:

Trump getting to the keys to the White House for a second term, with a backdrop of liberal tears and drama. The more painful the better as far as I'm concerned!! I'm just sick of the liberal press with their bias polls, hounding Trump whilst essentially giving Biden a free pass.

I don't really care all that much but observing obvious bullying and bias on a daily basis, coming from a side who forever claim to be morally and intellectually superior, makes me want justice. Thankfully they've been losing for years and long may it continue.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on October 30, 2020, 03:26:58 PM
Brilliant 2 minute TRUMP video from Caleeforneeya...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1322204363775864833

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on October 30, 2020, 04:24:11 PM
Whoa this is a Bomb likely to Blow Up FBI Director Wray's career if true... and AG Barr!

https://truepundit.com/exclusive-fbi-dir-wray-profited-from-hunter-bidens-illegal-china-russia-kickback-deal-is-this-why-the-fbi-covered-up-hunters-laptop/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on November 02, 2020, 01:38:17 PM
I talked to a fellow Christian Warrior today and asked for his thoughts on the election. He said, "We will go to bed on Tuesday night knowing for sure who won. It won't be dragged out."

"Why do you say that?" I asked.

"It's clear that Trump made it to this point only with God's help, whether he realizes it or not. Do you think God will abandon him now?"

I feel it in my soul he's right.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on November 02, 2020, 03:54:47 PM
I talked to a fellow Christian Warrior today and asked for his thoughts on the election. He said, "We will go to bed on Tuesday night knowing for sure who won. It won't be dragged out."

"Why do you say that?" I asked.

"It's clear that Trump made it to this point only with God's help, whether he realizes it or not. Do you think God will abandon him now?"

I feel it in my soul he's right.

I think he's right, too. But be sure you vote. Kind'a like the Lord can't give you a winning lotto ticket if you don't buy one
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on November 02, 2020, 05:05:40 PM
A truly inspirational video - The Best is Yet to Come!

https://twitter.com/kilmeade/status/1322952354593984517

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2020, 08:25:02 PM
I talked to a fellow Christian Warrior today and asked for his thoughts on the election. He said, "We will go to bed on Tuesday night knowing for sure who won. It won't be dragged out."

"Why do you say that?" I asked.

"It's clear that Trump made it to this point only with God's help, whether he realizes it or not. Do you think God will abandon him now?"

I feel it in my soul he's right.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 02, 2020, 11:33:27 PM

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 02, 2020, 11:55:07 PM

Tell your friends and family to get out and vote too.....if they're voting for Trump.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 04, 2020, 09:34:53 AM
President Trump has a lead of 104,000 votes as of right now in Georgia.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/results-georgia.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 04, 2020, 09:44:35 AM
President Trump has a rather sizable lead of 750,000 votes in Pennsylvania, the Keystone state and home of our Lord of the Dance.

I suspect Pennsylvania will be the site of most litigation.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 04, 2020, 11:27:47 AM
President Trump has a rather sizable lead of 750,000 votes in Pennsylvania, the Keystone state and home of our Lord of the Dance.

I suspect Pennsylvania will be the site of most litigation.

This is the First time when I pray for a foreign country's election!

Many HongKongers in USA have done much work to promote Trump!

Pennsylvania State's blood cancer treatment is on the top of this world.  It suffers so much from ChiNazi's robbers!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 04, 2020, 02:40:26 PM

There's no guarantee Trump will be out of a government job even if Biden wins. If Biden wins Michigan and Nevada to get to 270, there's a chance an elector may refuse to vote for him just as numerous electors refused to vote for Hillary last election. If nobody has a majority of at least 270 electors, the House with the majority being Democrats get to pick the President and the Senate with the majority being Republicans get to pick the Vice President. Kamala may be out and Trump may be in to ride Biden's ass for 4 years. The constant barking in Biden's ear will mentally wear him out. Then Trump can begin his 2nd term in 2024.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 05, 2020, 02:40:46 AM
Billy,
Americans are still very naive!!!  Look what ChiNazi has done to destroy your country through Presidential Election!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 05, 2020, 09:27:58 AM
Joe Biden claimed they had the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 05, 2020, 10:51:58 AM
Election Frauds caught!!!
Original English Conversation up to 8:20(irrelevant here after)!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2020, 11:26:19 AM
Hallelujah!

https://babylonbee.com/news/miracle-ballot-counter-turns-5-votes-for-biden-into-5000
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2020, 05:00:05 PM
US inability to count votes a national disgrace

https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-inability-count-votes-national-disgrace-dangerous/5728614?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 05, 2020, 05:51:35 PM
The plot against the President. Video.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-plot-against-president/5728506
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on November 05, 2020, 07:32:40 PM
Important Info... Ballots will be easy to audit and verify:

https://www.infowars.com/posts/groundbreaking-claim-trump-set-up-democrats-in-sophisticated-sting-operation-caught-stealing-election-red-handed/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bruce Lee on November 05, 2020, 11:17:25 PM
Your election is a circus freak show!

Like paying to watch the bearded lady do her knitting
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on November 06, 2020, 12:00:23 AM
Which poster above is unable to tell the difference between reality and fiction?

Trick question, there's two.

It's scary when one understands that there's some 340 million people like them but it does tend to make the whole election farrago more easily understandable.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Wiz on November 06, 2020, 12:08:02 AM
‘America! You can’t even choose a president without ending up in court… now’s the time for you to come back home to Britain’

(https://cdni.rt.com/files/2020.11/l/5fa3fb8a85f5407ebe08118d.JPG)

Britain's Queen Elizabeth near Salisbury, Britain October 15, 2020

There are now over 330 million of you American souls. Yet your choice for leader boiled down to two elderly gentlemen screaming at each other across TV studios and the internet. Now it’s all set to become a two-month-long courtroom drama.

Was this really the best you could do?

Last time out, you picked a dodgy businessman turned reality TV show star whose only gift seems to be his ability to sell you absolutely anything while he screams his way across the world stage. This chubby chap could drop his trousers live on air in a boxing ring, yet still could count on the vote of half the country.

And the other half?

You chose an old chap called Joe who can barely remember his own name, the perfect American to step into the ring and take Mr Trump on in a fist fight. No matter that you need to spin him around to make sure he’s facing the right direction.

One can hear the shouts from the blue corner: “Hey Joe! Joe! He’s over there! The guy with the orange face and silly hairdo! Yeah, that's him! Use your ears, he doesn't stop talking! Jab jab! Duck! Jab!”

And this Trump character, the one in the red corner, the chap who just cannot stop tweeting, even when it’s in his own best interest to do so… is he the world's first-ever 74-year-old teenager?

One has just been reading on the internet that he is taking various states to court to try to stop people counting votes. Yet presumably he would allow through any which have HIS name on them? How very, very strange. And if Mr. Biden wins this imminent court case to be president, he will be 78 when he takes office.

Well, jolly good. He'll be perfectly comfortable, there, because your congress seems to be like a retirement home. Many of your politicians have actually been around long enough to remember the Declaration of Independence, and that was in 1776.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/505709-america-election-court-uk/

 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on November 06, 2020, 04:53:30 AM
Wiz funny stuff!  :chuckle:

When Danchik compared the American political scene to Kabuki theater he is quite close to the reality. It was a startling observation but in an way it is a sad commentary on the average American. On a national and international level they (the public) just do not get it.

Oddly enough on a local level, while I am sure there are blips, Democracy works and after the votes are counted the reality is accepted and one moves on.

Not sure which poster asked about a countries exports Cuffy>Sweden? but we can 'blame' Wiz for Democracy!  :-X
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Wiz on November 06, 2020, 06:07:55 AM
AvHdB

NOT GUILTY and No you cannot blame me for "Democracy" because since I was born, 3 months after the Germans choose to move out of Greece, to avoid more bloodshed of their army from the fighting Greek resistance ... then the British invaded the Country, uninvited, to impose their puppet, King Konstantine.....
In 1946 started a civil war....by imposing divide and Rule, and when in 1947 they went nearly bust financially , they offered Greece to the Americans to run it and pay for the show.........and ever since we never seen or choose democratic any Government. All our politicians were/are Puppets of the Americans.

 tiphat
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 06, 2020, 09:23:15 AM
Important Info... Ballots will be easy to audit and verify:

https://www.infowars.com/posts/groundbreaking-claim-trump-set-up-democrats-in-sophisticated-sting-operation-caught-stealing-election-red-handed/

Cufflinks, I watched the video. Great stuff to hear for Trump supporters. It's great confirmation bias material. Trump has an uphill battle to prove there was fraud on a massive scale. A few postal workers told to backdate ballots and a few hundred dead people is fraud and can be proven but not on a large enough scale to get a judge to do something drastic in Trump's favor.

The guy, 'intelligence expert' Steve Pieczenikin, in the video said National guard has been mobilized. Trump can only do that in a war time situation so did the governors give the order? I doubt Democrat governors will help Trump sending troops into Democrat cities to stop voter fraud. The guy in the video also said people were going to be arrested tonight(yesterday night) and tomorrow which is today. I checked the front page of infowars and they don't announce anybody has been arrested. They make a lot of claims and I'm not impressed with todays or in the past claims they have made.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 06, 2020, 09:28:25 AM
Important Info... Ballots will be easy to audit and verify:

https://www.infowars.com/posts/groundbreaking-claim-trump-set-up-democrats-in-sophisticated-sting-operation-caught-stealing-election-red-handed/

Cufflinks, I watched the video. Great stuff to hear for Trump supporters. It's great confirmation bias material. Trump has an uphill battle to prove there was fraud on a massive scale. A few postal workers told to backdate ballots and a few hundred dead people is fraud and can be proven but not on a large enough scale to get a judge to do something drastic in Trump's favor.

The guy, 'intelligence expert' Steve Pieczenikin, in the video said National guard has been mobilized. Trump can only do that in a war time situation so did the governors give the order? I doubt Democrat governors will help Trump sending troops into Democrat cities to stop voter fraud. The guy in the video also said people were going to be arrested tonight(yesterday night) and tomorrow which is today. I checked the front page of infowars and they don't announce anybody has been arrested. They make a lot of claims and I'm not impressed with todays or in the past claims they have made.

American Friends,
Biden has crowned himself and democrat media have been concealing their criminal voter frauds!!!

It is equivalent to a Military Invasion or WAR!!!

Please do NOT give up!!!  Fight for Justice and the actual election outcome!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 06, 2020, 09:34:26 AM
Billy,
When I saw the video showing someone blocked the sight of ballot monitors and banned them from monitoring the ballot counting, democrats had already violated the Order of Law!!!

I am so shocked this happened in USA.  Since my childhood, I watch so many USA movies and shows discussing very much about Law and Order!!!

If I were Trump, I had already sent National Guard Troop to ballot counting centres with people violating the Order of Law!!!

Please do NOT let these criminals go!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 06, 2020, 09:52:59 AM
AvHdB

NOT GUILTY and No you cannot blame me for "Democracy" because since I was born, 3 months after the Germans choose to move out of Greece, to avoid more bloodshed of their army from the fighting Greek resistance ... then the British invaded the Country, uninvited, to impose their puppet, King Konstantine.....
In 1946 started a civil war....by imposing divide and Rule, and when in 1947 they went nearly bust financially , they offered Greece to the Americans to run it and pay for the show.........and ever since we never seen or choose democratic any Government. All our politicians were/are Puppets of the Americans.

 tiphat

Av was referring to Ancient Greece, the birthplace of democracy.

https://books.google.com/books/about/Ancient_Greece.html?id=KVMYJNvUiYkC&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 06, 2020, 10:25:38 AM
When I saw the video showing someone blocked the sight of ballot monitors and banned them from monitoring the ballot counting, democrats had already violated the Order of Law!!!


Even though a judge allowed observers to watch the count and the liberal election leaders in Democrat cities continue to deny the observers their right and are appealing the judge's decision, it doesn't mean there is fraud going on. Yes, it increases suspicion due to lack of transparency but Trump still has to prove fraud. No judge is going to throw out legitimate ballots. Trump has to prove many ballots are illegitimate which is a very difficult and expensive task. Kind of like trying to find the needles in a haystack.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 06, 2020, 11:33:33 AM
IMO this election is over. Time to move on.

Pence 2024!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 06, 2020, 11:47:04 AM
When I saw the video showing someone blocked the sight of ballot monitors and banned them from monitoring the ballot counting, democrats had already violated the Order of Law!!!


Even though a judge allowed observers to watch the count and the liberal election leaders in Democrat cities continue to deny the observers their right and are appealing the judge's decision, it doesn't mean there is fraud going on. Yes, it increases suspicion due to lack of transparency but Trump still has to prove fraud. No judge is going to throw out legitimate ballots. Trump has to prove many ballots are illegitimate which is a very difficult and expensive task. Kind of like trying to find the needles in a haystack.

Billy,
Besides fake Biden ballots, some Trump's ballots were destroyed!  This video shows a person burning Trump's ballots.  He even cursed Trump in this video! 5min 32seconds.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 06, 2020, 08:22:48 PM

My wife just told me Trump got a win. The Supreme Court ordered election officials to segregate the ballots that arrive after election day from the ballots that arrived on or before election day. Election centers were counting and throwing the late ballots in the same pile of ballots that arrived on election day which would make it harder to figure out which ballots were valid or invalid

http://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/524900-supreme-court-orders-separate-count-of-late-arriving-pa-ballots

My wife also told me a software glitch in Michigan gave thousands of Trump votes to Biden in one county. This same software was used in 47 other counties. I I appreciate the fact she's searching for answers and truth on her own.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8923165/Software-glitch-Michigan-incorrectly-sent-6-000-Trump-votes-Biden.html

You guys remember Rod Blagojevich, the Democrat governor of Illinois who went to prison for trying to sell Obama's vacant Senator's seat when Obama went on to be President. He said it's a time honored tradition big cities controlled by Democrats inflate the vote count. He said they control polling centers and when their candidate is behind, they stop counting and in the wee hours of the morning the stealing of an election starts. Blagojevich said he never seen such as big an operation as the one in this election. Like I told you guys earlier,  notice in battleground States where Biden is way behind, everyday since Nov 3 after vote counters are tired and go home, then in the wee hours of the morning the biggest numbers for Biden get reported out of Democrat cities. We then wake up to shocking news.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on November 06, 2020, 08:58:45 PM
AvHdB

NOT GUILTY and No you cannot blame me for "Democracy" because since I was born, 3 months after the Germans choose to move out of Greece, to avoid more bloodshed of their army from the fighting Greek resistance ... then the British invaded the Country, uninvited, to impose their puppet, King Konstantine.....
In 1946 started a civil war....by imposing divide and Rule, and when in 1947 they went nearly bust financially , they offered Greece to the Americans to run it and pay for the show.........and ever since we never seen or choose democratic any Government. All our politicians were/are Puppets of the Americans.

 tiphat

Av was referring to Ancient Greece, the birthplace of democracy.

https://books.google.com/books/about/Ancient_Greece.html?id=KVMYJNvUiYkC&printsec=frontcover&source=kp_read_button

Thank You Confederate

Wiz well . . .  :Zzzzsleep: 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 06, 2020, 10:24:56 PM

Share this link if you care about the integrity of the election now and in the future. It's the Trump election defense fund. The more people that show they won't stand for fraud and bad election officials, the better chance we can prevent this from ever happening again.


http://secure.winred.com/djt/election-defense-fund?utm_medium=social&utm_source=djt_fb&utm_campaign=20201105_10_election-defense-fund_teamtrump
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 07, 2020, 08:16:09 AM

Share this link if you care about the integrity of the election now and in the future. It's the Trump election defense fund. The more people that show they won't stand for fraud and bad election officials, the better chance we can prevent this from ever happening again.


http://secure.winred.com/djt/election-defense-fund

Can President Trump accept foreign donation for this issue?  I cannot find a donation form for foreign supporters!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 07, 2020, 08:31:52 AM
Good news to all upright Americans and Friends!!!

Trump's speech on 23rd, June, 2020 sounded that he anticipated the most corrupted election in USA history!!!  He promised he would not let this happen!  He must had mined a Trap to take corrupted Democrats in and eradicate their Voter Fraud Organisation!!!  Trump is saving our Free World!!!

Original English Speech of President Trump
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 07, 2020, 08:41:28 AM
IMO this election is over. Time to move on.
Pence 2024!

Friends,
President Trump has set up a Trap to eradicate Democrats Voter Fraud Organisation(Plan A). He will repeat his presidency without problem,

BUT I heard a rumour that Plan B (to assassinate President Trump) will be executed once Plan A has failed!

Watch out for ChiNazi and Wall Street!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 07, 2020, 11:24:31 AM
Other than some last minute legal challenges, it's over.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/07/trump-declines-to-concede-434927
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on November 07, 2020, 02:47:52 PM
Although america could do with a great prez. I dont think either of them is that. I am going to miss the twitter rages though. Funny stuff
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 07, 2020, 04:29:52 PM

Share this link if you care about the integrity of the election now and in the future. It's the Trump election defense fund. The more people that show they won't stand for fraud and bad election officials, the better chance we can prevent this from ever happening again.


http://secure.winred.com/djt/election-defense-fund

Can President Trump accept foreign donation for this issue?  I cannot find a donation form for foreign supporters!

I'm afraid foreign donors can't help. This fight is related to an American election but thanks for trying to help.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on November 07, 2020, 05:05:33 PM
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: yankee on November 07, 2020, 06:58:19 PM
Has anyone noticed that Trump is getting almost no support from the Republican party?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on November 07, 2020, 07:52:49 PM
Has anyone noticed that Trump is getting almost no support from the Republican party?

That is an interesting observation. If one looks for this in the press and notices, it is indeed missing.

On the other side it seems both the Senate and House will be frozen, with no decisive majority. In the end my guess the reality will be four years of posturing and pontificating.

What a way to run a nation!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on November 07, 2020, 08:13:37 PM
The Fight for Ultimate Victory continues:

Brilliant perspective from the BBC Archives...

Vote Rigging: How to spot the telltale signs - from Gabon no less...

www.archive.is/2ECTQ

All six conditions exist in most Dem Controlled states and Urban Gabon style cities...

1. Too many voters
2. A high turnout in specific areas
3. Large numbers of invalid votes
4. More votes than ballot papers issued
5. Results that don't match (the actual votes)
6. Delay in announcing results

All the Trump Giuiani led legal teams have to do is document these and the many more "irregularities".

Then the SCOTUS rules on the invalid votes which can be discarded as fraudulent or on to the House were each of the state delegations gets one vote only as the electoral college certifications may not be valid by the Dec 8th deadline.  27 of the House Delegations are majority GOP.  NYC, California and Illinois etc., get only one vote in the house of representatives  27 votes is a majority of the 50 States.

The founding fathers had far-reaching vision...

Then of course there is the 14th Amendment that Abraham Lincoln used to save the Republic and preserve the Union with severe consequences for all the insurrectionists.

https://patriotdailypress.com/2020/09/06/trumps-secret-weapon-revealed-fourteenth-amendment-allows-the-president-to-strip-electoral-college-votes-from-states-supporting-censorship-against-voters-enables-mass-arrests-of-mayors-govern/

In the words of the great philosopher Yogi Berra...

This ain't over till it's over!


###
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 08, 2020, 05:33:18 AM
Friends, yes, it is just the beginning to fight back!

I also heard a rumour from my Hongkonger source.  Besides
Plan A (Democrats Voter Fraud Organisation as claimed by Biden),
Plan B (Antifa and BLM riots),
Plan C (to assassinate President Trump),

Plan D - California State of USA will declare Independence.  Then, Silicon valley IT firms and ChiNazi will rule (earn money and slave?!?) the whole world.  This is only the Democrats illusion.  I anticipate that the final outcome of Plan D is -
a new California Province, People's Republic of China;
new IDD Code:  00-86-1-408-xxxxxxxxx

The new Californian Chinese people will enjoy censorship, internet blocking, counterfeit vaccine, chemical fake food, etc.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 08, 2020, 09:27:32 PM
Has anyone noticed that Trump is getting almost no support from the Republican party?

The media doesn't want to report support. Lindsay Graham strongly supports Trump. If nothing is done about the fraud and they have the green light to do it again, there will never be another Republican President. Once the evidence gets released, more Republicans will speak for a a recount and audit of the election.

Computers have calculated there's over 500,000 ballots in swing states voting for Biden with no marks for candidates running for other positions. Hillary had that happen 120,000 times for the entire nation in 2016. Seems like Democrats in swing states were working hard filling out ballots not wasting time filling out anything else but for the Presidency. I hope the courts see that is a reason to have certain States or districts revote. If Democrats are confident their man won fair and square, they shouldn't object to a revote.

Another fact is the polls showed Hillary was going to win easily and the Democrats didn't stop counting. This election a bunch of Democrat cities stopped counting in the evening and next morning in every city, a mind blowing amount of votes for Biden was reported.

Seems like all the computer glitches glitched in Biden's favor.

In Pennsylvania there was a 1776% increase in voter registration for 90 year olds and up. I guess all those people who didn't vote all their lives decided they now wanted to get into politics and support a fellow man with dementia.

Philadelphia had a whopping 95% turn out on the vote. I'm not sure if dead people were included in that number. It's amazing a man with dementia and one foot in the grave is so much more exciting than Obama who is a good speaker and charismatic character. It's also Amazing that the Republicans gained in the House and kept Senate majority and the most exciting guy in the Republican Party did worse. Some of the facts that Trump will take to court is in the video below.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 09, 2020, 11:17:11 AM
Voters of Nevada Carson want the truth

You cannot see this on corrupted English media any more.

Chinese + English
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 09, 2020, 11:20:54 AM
At afternoon of November 8, Trump campaign team was in the swing state Nevada, announcing the latest developments in election fraud investigation.

You cannot see this on corrupted English media any more.

Chinese + English
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 09, 2020, 11:41:16 AM
Re-vote is not necessary any more, because ChiNazi supported Biden's Coup will be exposed in and out!


I heard from a Chinese source, Trump Team has set up a Game-in-Game to take Biden in.  Every authentic ballot has been recorded in a Blockchain (technology used in Bitcoin for authentic opened records in the form of digital files), plus multiple other authentic measures.  USA National Guards have been ordered by President Trump to arm themselves and are ready to arrest Biden Coup Group.

Watch my previous video and listen to what President Trump had foreseen.


After Biden Coup Group will have been eradicated, ChiNazi's Plot will enter stage of:
Plan B (Antifa and BLM riots),
Plan C (to assassinate President Trump).
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 09, 2020, 11:50:41 AM
Voters of Beverly Hills of Southern California rally: STOP THE STEAL!

You cannot see this on corrupted English media any more.

Chinese + English
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 09, 2020, 02:34:09 PM
President Trump answering questions about voter frauds in White House, 27th, September, 2020.
He had fully prepared for a Voter Fraud Coup!!!

Original English Conversation
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 09, 2020, 08:52:59 PM
69 Million Trump supporters take to the streets!!

Quote

"Crowds of Trump supporters were seen just kinda doing the same old thing they always do, not burning down any buildings or assaulting anyone or tipping over statues. The deranged, dangerous followers of the fascist ruler got in their cars and flooded the streets, but they were just driving to work, because life goes on."

https://babylonbee.com/news/69-million-trump-supporters-take-to-streets-to-go-to-work-like-usual
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 10, 2020, 08:46:16 AM
Can this poster (LoyalMan) be moderated? He’s starting to grate a bit.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 10, 2020, 09:46:05 AM
Can this poster (LoyalMan) be moderated? He’s starting to grate a bit.

Keep reading my posts if you need uncensored information which you and your kids may not be able to know after ChiNazi has won USA.

We are going to help President Trump and upright Americans who have helped us for the past 2 years.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 10, 2020, 10:03:36 AM
Can this poster (LoyalMan) be moderated? He’s starting to grate a bit.
Upright Americans in front of Evil Twitter headquarter, fighting for Freedom of Speech.

You cannot see this on corrupted English media any more.

Chinese + English
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 10, 2020, 10:59:43 AM

Share this link if you care about the integrity of the election now and in the future. It's the Trump election defense fund. The more people that show they won't stand for fraud and bad election officials, the better chance we can prevent this from ever happening again.

http://secure.winred.com/djt/election-defense-fund

6th November, 2020

Election Integrity Hotline (855-702-0702)

"True the Vote" Organisation launches "Validate the Vote" Initiative and Whistleblower Compensation Fund to Ensure Election Validity, Process Integrity

Establishes Fund in Excess of US$1Million to Incentivize Election Malfeasance Reporting;
Takes Steps to Resolve Illegal Actions Through Litigation and Ensure Final Vote Tally is Valid to Maintain Public Confidence in U.S. Election System

https://truethevote.org/true-the-vote-launches-validate-the-vote-initiative-and-whistleblower-compensation-fund-to-ensure-election-validity-process-integrity/


I had been able to donate money to help upright USA friends!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 10, 2020, 08:41:21 PM
Can this poster (LoyalMan) be moderated? He’s starting to grate a bit.

He's 1,000 times better than moby was, I say let him be!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Dogsoldier on November 10, 2020, 09:02:27 PM
Can this poster (LoyalMan) be moderated? He’s starting to grate a bit.

He's 1,000 times better than moby was, I say let him be!
Moby’s a class all by himself.
Still, all the ChiNazi rubbish is getting a bit tiresome. It’s like being in a children’s playground and listening to the name calling by 6 yr olds.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on November 10, 2020, 09:40:42 PM
Can this poster (LoyalMan) be moderated? He’s starting to grate a bit.

He's 1,000 times better than moby was, I say let him be!
Moby’s a class all by himself.
Still, all the ChiNazi rubbish is getting a bit tiresome. It’s like being in a children’s playground and listening to the name calling by 6 yr olds.

There have been far worse. Sometimes he has a point, yawn or read his links, there is no harm.

Further he lacks the self rightness and lies of ms. He states his opinions 'links' and we can digest them.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on November 11, 2020, 06:28:59 AM

Still, all the ChiNazi rubbish is getting a bit tiresome. It’s like being in a children’s playground and listening to the name calling by 6 yr olds.

Perhaps I am wrong but when people need to copy memes or use inaccurate, memetic, labels, I see the value of the posts as being very, very low.

After all, whatever one might think of the Chinese political and economic system, it is far from accurate to describe it as being Nazism.
Authoritarian? True.
Genocidal world conquest? Nope
State planned genocide? Nope
Exporting, by force, its ideology? Nope
Mass mobilisation of people for political ends? Nope

When people show that they are both easily led and unable to think for themselves, discussion with those people is pointless

Loyalman, for whatever reason, has been misled and misdirected by what he has been fed by protesters in Hong Kong
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: yankee on November 11, 2020, 08:49:35 AM
Florida's DeSantis moves to allow citizens to shoot looters, rioters targeting businesses.

This I like.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2020, 10:07:40 AM
Florida's DeSantis moves to allow citizens to shoot looters, rioters targeting businesses.

This I like.

Are you serious? If so me too.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: yankee on November 11, 2020, 11:09:54 AM
Florida's DeSantis moves to allow citizens to shoot looters, rioters targeting businesses.

This I like.

Are you serious? If so me too.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gov-desantis-wants-stand-your-ground-expanded/ar-BB1aTEoC
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2020, 02:00:14 PM
Trump lawsuits.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/09/gop-states-back-trump-election-challenge-435437
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2020, 02:19:33 PM
Project Veritas uncovers ‘ballot harvesting fraud’ in Minnesota: Devine
By Miranda DevineSeptember 27, 2020 | 10:09pm |
A ballot-harvesting racket in Democratic Rep. Ilhan Omar’s Minneapolis district — where paid workers illegally gather absentee ballots from elderly Somali immigrants — appears to have been busted by undercover news organization Project Veritas.

One alleged ballot harvester, Liban Mohamed, the brother of Minneapolis City Council member Jamal Osman, is shown in a bombshell Snapchat video rifling through piles of ballots strewn across his dashboard.

“Just today we got 300 for Jamal Osman,” says Mohamed, aka KingLiban1, in the video. “I have 300 ballots in my car right now . . .

“Numbers don’t lie. You can see my car is full. All these here are absentee ballots. . . . Look, all these are for Jamal Osman,” he says, displaying the white envelopes.

“Money is the king in this world . . . and a campaign is driven by money.”

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The video, posted on July 1, was obtained by Project Veritas and included in a 17-minute video expose released Sunday night.

Under Minnesota law, no individual can be the “designated agent” for more than three absentee voters.

The allegations come just five weeks before a presidential election plagued with predictions of voter fraud. Both President Trump and Attorney General Bill Barr have warned that the increased use of mail-in ballots, due to COVID-19 concerns about in-person voting, is vulnerable to fraud, especially when unsolicited ballots are mailed to all voters in certain states.

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Project Veritas’ investigation in Minneapolis will pour gasoline on the fire, only 48 hours before Trump debates Joe Biden in the first presidential debate Tuesday, addressing topics including election security.

“Our investigation into this ballot harvesting ring demonstrates clearly how these unscrupulous operators exploit the elderly and immigrant communities” said James O’Keefe, founder and CEO of Project Veritas.

The alleged involvement of Omar, a controversial member of the “Squad” and frequent Trump target, is claimed on camera by two people in Veritas’ investigation, including whistleblower Omar Jamal, a Minneapolis community leader and chair of the city’s Somali Watchdog Group.

He claims Mohamed is “one of” Omar’s “many people.”

“It’s an open secret. She will do anything that she can do to get elected and she has hundreds of people on the streets doing that,” he told Veritas in an on-camera interview last Tuesday.


“It’s not only her. It’s all this DFL [Democratic-Farmers-Labor] machine [that’s] in . . . the state of Minnesota . . .

“The regulations, if you ignore that and you let corruption and fraud become a daily business and then tough luck, the country will not exist as they [Americans] know it.”

Also implicating Omar’s campaign in the scheme is an anonymous Minneapolis-based former political worker, who told Project Veritas that, before Minnesota’s primary elections Aug. 8, ballot harvesters “took every single ballot” from elderly people in a Minneapolis public housing complex — the Charles Horn Towers.

“Knock on the door and say, ‘Your ballots come? Give it to me.’ ”

She alleges Omar’s long-serving staffer, campaign deputy district director Ali (Isse) Gainey, was “coordinating everything.”

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Gainey, “who is working in Ilhan’s campaign, is the one who is managing the voting place. They bring them. They line them. They put the open ballots in there and then they take them in and say, ‘Here,’ and the people mark [the ballots] . . .

“They have perfected this system,” she said. “They will tell you, ‘We are applying for your ballot.’ They take a picture of your Social Security and your driver’s license. They have a database. When the ballot comes, they track it. Sometimes, they make fake emails. They track the ballot. Then they come and pick up the ballot, unopened . . .

“They don’t give a s–t about any Somali . . . The DFL wants to win this state at all costs . . . and the victims is the Somali people.”

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She also alleged that young people and women were paid for their ballots before last month’s Minnesota primary.

“Cash, cash, cash. They were carrying bags of money. . . . When you vote and they mark you off, then you get in the van, they give you the cash.”

Federal laws forbid paying someone to vote or register to vote
, or intimidating voters.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 12, 2020, 09:58:06 AM
Good news for USA upright Americans!!!

https://www.theepochtimes.com/election-2020
11th, November, 2020, US ET

President Trump is leading the China Commie lackey Biden!
(https://www.theepochtimes.com/assets/uploads/2020/11/12/EET_BigMap_Desk_Nov12.jpg)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 12, 2020, 11:29:53 AM
US Color Revolution, the Phantom Menace.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/us-color-revolution-not-so-phantom-menace
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on November 12, 2020, 12:44:21 PM
 This is huge if it is true...

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 12, 2020, 09:24:18 PM
This is huge if it is true...


Dominion IT tech worker whistle blower in podcast video in link below. She's not anonymous like fake news sources. She's a real person with a real name.

http://therightscoop.com/just-in-rudy-giuliani-suggests-dominion-whistleblowers-coming-forward/

She is naming names. This took place in Detroit. Here is the synopsis.

-This lady is an IT tech for Dominion Voting Systems, sent to the polls to make sure the machines operate correctly and assist the workers.

-While there observes anomalies in the counter on one of the tabulating machines, resulting in hundreds of votes being counted numerous times

-When reported to her boss Nick Ikonomakis (VP and co-owner) he took her aside and said “the last thing we need is a problem, we are only here to assist with IT, not help them run elections”

-There were 40 such machines running, she estimates thousands and thousands of anomalies like this, just in that one location

-If a reject ballot would not go thru the machine, the employee would get a blank ballot and fill it out, unsupervised, and then forge the voters signature. She witnessed this all day and all night.

-in a 24 hour shift, not a single ballot filled-in this way was for Trump. There was a table that they called “duplicate ballots” for these, which numbered in the thousands

-Two young guys in their 20s were responsible for inputting ALL the information from that location into the computer. There was no oversight of them. The two of them worked doubles, all day and all night, and were friendly with Nick.

-of all the workers there, this whistleblower lady was the ONLY republican, which she kept a secret. Every other worker was disparaging of Trump the entire time, and were wearing BLM stuff, ‘I can’t breathe’, etc.

-Also implicated in the mis-handling was City of Detroit employees and supervisors, including Daniel Baxter, doing forbidden things such as going outside to smoke. It is supposed to be a contained building. They were in and out all through the shift, with boxes of ballots just sitting on tables.

-City was supposed to provide food for the workers, but didn’t have enough. Vans were brought in supposedly to bring food, but no food ever came out of the vans. They were completely unmarked vehicles. Whatever was being unloaded from the vans went out their back doors and up the stairs.

-As she was leaving her shift, turned on the car radio, then heard the announcement about all the new ballots found in Detroit. So her assumption is that what was in the vans.

-One of the workers happened to be an old acquaintance who would disappear for hours at a time. He confided to her that they were not even trained, they thought they were coming in to clean, but were then told to run machines.

-There is an adjudication process for questionable ballots, which are viewed by a Republican and a Democrat. But the whistleblower watched the process happen with only two Democrats and no Republican. They had a huge stack that they were able to finish very quickly, not a surprise.

-At one point Samuel showed Nick they had a big loss of data. They both got on their phones and ‘figured it out’. She assumes they just hid the fact and moved on.

-Batches of 50 votes were bundled and then put in a steel locked box. These boxes were then stacked in a way to keep poll observers from seeing what was happening.

-Next day she made a report to the FBI, who cut her off on the first call. After a second call she was able to give the info, and they never called her back.

-After a few days her supervisor called asked for her resume and time sheets for the past week, and said he wanted her to work on some software upgrades. This was immediately after accusations of software glitches emerged.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 12, 2020, 09:39:41 PM
Trump got one victory in Pennsylvania which gets some ballots tossed.

http://nypost.com/2020/11/12/trump-campaign-has-minor-victory-in-pennsylvania-lawsuit-over-voter-id/


Although the media wants people to believe nobody is supporting Trump's lawsuits, there are now 17 States that filed a lawsuit against Pennsylvania's BS elections. I don't blame States for wanting to sue another State for trying to control who is going to be President for everybody.

http://www.indystar.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/11/11/curtis-hill-has-indiana-joining-challenge-pennsylvanias-mail-deadline/6252854002/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 12, 2020, 11:47:45 PM

of all the workers there, this whistleblower lady was the ONLY republican, which she kept a secret. Every other worker was disparaging of Trump the entire time, and were wearing BLM stuff, ‘I can’t breathe’, etc.

Billy,
I understand how much those workers had sympathy on George Floyd because they do not know the real background of George Floyd's death.

He launched counterfeit US$ bills printed in and imported from China(China Commie owns a central bank.  They can buy currency-grade paper).  He suffered from China Wuhan virus. He probably illegally traded fentanil manufactured in and imported from China.  He is a criminal, not a hero.

Those main stream media selectively omits this background information and blame Trump government as the fault.  I am sure China Commie bribe them a lot to hide the background details.

Please spend some effort to spread this truth to other Americans who suffer from ChiNazi's information censorship.


Also, prepare USA for China Commie's next stage to destroy USA's Law & Order:
Plan B (Antifa and BLM riots),
Plan C (to assassinate President Trump).
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 13, 2020, 11:23:51 AM
Jon Voight is calling for fighting against Corruption, Leftist and Satan(<==China Commie?!?)

Original English Conversation!

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2020, 12:15:50 PM
Trump confident of getting to 270.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/never-bet-against-me-trump-confident-hell-get-to-270-electoral-college-votes_3577769.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 14, 2020, 09:36:35 AM
Trump confident of getting to 270.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/never-bet-against-me-trump-confident-hell-get-to-270-electoral-college-votes_3577769.html


Friends,
Ballots count is not important any more, because the whole Biden campaign is being proved as a Traitor Gang!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 14, 2020, 09:45:58 AM
I heard from a Chinese source that USA Army Troop (national army troop, not police force, FBI or CIA) in Frankfurt Germany had seized a voting machine used for this US president election!

The company, which manufactures this voting machine, is Scytl.  I can only find a little information of it in English.  The Chinese source about Scytl said that China Commie has planned this Invasion for about 20 years in order to control USA Elections!
https://www.newsmax.com/US/online-voting-software-increasing/2015/11/25/id/703615/

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 14, 2020, 12:12:09 PM
Wisconsin voters sue to exclude 792,000 votes.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/wisconsin-voters-file-lawsuit-to-exclude-over-792000-votes-in-3-counties_3578417.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-14-1
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 14, 2020, 12:35:24 PM
Tucker Carlson exposes dead Americans used in voter fraud.

https://fort-russ.com/amp/2020/11/breaking-tucker-carlson-reveals-identities-of-dead-americans-who-were-used-in-election-fraud-video/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 14, 2020, 01:07:38 PM

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 14, 2020, 02:20:45 PM
This is an excellent expose on Dominion voting machines and who is behind them. Fraud Inc!!

https://fort-russ.com/amp/2020/11/hammer-and-scorecard-big-techs-drive-to-end-democracy/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on November 14, 2020, 03:55:28 PM
 It will be interesting to see what the results of the recount in Georgia turns up. If there is a major difference and Trump wins by a wide margin then any States that used the Dominion machines will be under the microscope.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 14, 2020, 08:13:24 PM
It will be interesting to see what the results of the recount in Georgia turns up. If there is a major difference and Trump wins by a wide margin then any States that used the Dominion machines will be under the microscope.

Great rally in DC.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 15, 2020, 02:53:33 AM
Scytl has all the tools it needs for election fraud
by Gerry Bello, Bob Fitrakis
7th November, 2014

https://freepress.org/article/scytl-has-all-tools-it-needs-election-fraud
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 15, 2020, 11:47:13 AM

Perdue, Ossoff cast Georgia Senate runoff as battle for control of the nation

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/perdue-ossoff-georgia-senate-runoff-biden-coronavirus-aoc-socialism
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: NS1 on November 15, 2020, 01:15:17 PM
so all BS aside, will any legal challenge actually get to trial?
never mind picking news story you like, they are easy to find.
Is there any reality that this is done or long way from it?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 15, 2020, 02:03:11 PM
so all BS aside, will any legal challenge actually get to trial?
never mind picking news story you like, they are easy to find.
Is there any reality that this is done or long way from it?

I honestly don't know.

It appears to me the chance of changing the result is very slim. However I definitely believe there was fraud. Proving that to a substantial degree isn't easy.

It is however very important to strive to have honest fair elections.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on November 15, 2020, 03:07:29 PM
so all BS aside, will any legal challenge actually get to trial?
never mind picking news story you like, they are easy to find.
Is there any reality that this is done or long way from it?

I think not. Evidence will be lost. Declared fake etc. It wont ever get to trial
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 15, 2020, 05:21:12 PM
If certain states refuse to certify election results and thus deprive Biden of reaching 270 electoral votes, then it goes to Congress and Trump wins.

Dershowitz: Trump May Seek to Deny Biden 270 Electoral Votes, Put Election in Congress https://link.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/dershowitz-trump-may-try-to-deny-biden-270-electoral-votes-put-election-in-congress_3579716.html
 
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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 15, 2020, 09:20:49 PM
so all BS aside, will any legal challenge actually get to trial?
never mind picking news story you like, they are easy to find.
Is there any reality that this is done or long way from it?

Most lower court judges won't act because they don't want backlash which is harmful to their career so they'll pass the buck to appeals court and then Supreme Court. There are over 15 lawsuits in Pennsylvania alone. Some got dropped and most are moving forward. Trump has an uphill battle. Even if he can eventually prove fraud, the States may certify their results and give the election to Biden. If Trump can convince a couple of major States elections are invalid, Joe Biden may finish with more electoral votes than Trump but if he's under 270 electoral votes, the House of Representatives get to pick the President and they'll choose Trump because there is more Red States than Blue States. The Senate gets to pick the VP and they'll pick Biden.

The biggest challenge I believe Trump is facing is time. I believe he can prove fraud but it takes time to gather all the evidence and he need to do it in time and have a court halt the process of some States certifying their elections. Trump can prove the voting machines can be manipulated, but he also has to prove they were used to rig the election in favor of Biden.

Watch the video in the link. The Dominion voting machines are used by the CIA to 'help' other countries with their elections to spread democracy. Some States won't use the machines because they're not secure. Some States use the machines and a few people in charge of buying those machines got kickbacks from the manufacturer. Some Democrat presidential candidates such as Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar once complained in written statements about those machines. The Trump attorneys have affidavits of IT workers saying they can easily be manipulated even during the day of the election. Trump's attorney in the video said the evidence is pouring in like a fire hose. There's more in the 10 min video

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/attorney-powell-on-election-legal-challenges-that-remain-active-in-several-states/vi-BB1b23YY?ocid=msedgdhp

Back in 1960, Democrats rigged the election to help Kennedy beat Nixon. Nixon did not challenge it but later investigations showed fraud on a major scale and over 670 election officials were indicted. As much as liberals are hating on Trump, I'm pretty sure some would cheat now as they did in the past. Question for the court is did enough of them cheat to affect an election to the point the court needs to get involved. If only 10,000 ballots were submitted by cheaters, I don't see the courts stepping in.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 15, 2020, 10:36:36 PM
Virginia is now in the mix!
Possible dirty tricks by the CIA is becoming a possibility.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-exclusive-multiple-reversals-proportional-vote-entries-virginia-election-night-11-pm-indicate-election-fraud-occurred-state/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 15, 2020, 11:59:28 PM

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/sidney-powell-drops-bomb-sunday-morning-futures-cia-may-used-dominion-benefit-gina-haspel-fired-immediately-video/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 16, 2020, 10:39:36 AM
A Chinese source says that USA Army Troop (not police force, FBI or CIA) raided the fraud voting server in Frankfurt Germany on 8th November.  The primitive election data (before they were tampered) showed that Trump won 400 electoral tickets and Commie Biden only got 168 electoral tickets!  Trump even wins California!

Pompeo and Pence are so confident and why aren't you?!?  My American Friends, pick your machine guns and protest on street everyday to support your President Trump!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 16, 2020, 10:43:48 AM
Trump lawyer Powell 'Ready to overturn election results.'
Trump 'Only fake news calls Biden winner'.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 16, 2020, 10:48:36 AM
so all BS aside, will any legal challenge actually get to trial?
never mind picking news story you like, they are easy to find.
Is there any reality that this is done or long way from it?

I think not. Evidence will be lost. Declared fake etc. It wont ever get to trial

Crucial evidences are being held by USA Army Troop (not police force, FBI or CIA) in Frankfurt Germany.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 16, 2020, 11:01:55 AM
Virginia is now in the mix!
Possible dirty tricks by the CIA is becoming a possibility.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-exclusive-multiple-reversals-proportional-vote-entries-virginia-election-night-11-pm-indicate-election-fraud-occurred-state/

Yes, it is.  Many western officers and politicians have been Blue/Gold/Yellow'ed by ChiNazi during the past 20 years.

I can name some who have admitted in public media:

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 16, 2020, 11:32:25 AM
I find this source which was posted on 8th November in German (by translation software)!
https://twitter.com/mol_zeynep/status/1325410262665613318

German language does not trigger Twitter's censorship software!!!  Save it at once!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: shakespear on November 16, 2020, 12:46:10 PM
Time to face reality -

Trump won a close election in 2016.  He lost a close election in 2020.

That's the way politics work.

All I've got to say is you learn a lot about the character a man by the way he behaves when he loses. 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on November 16, 2020, 01:28:51 PM
Time to face reality -

Trump won a close election in 2016.  He lost a close election in 2020.

That's the way politics work.

Ah yeah, not so fast my friend. Maybe it wasn't so close in 2016? If there was fraud in this election the evidence is there, if there was no fraud it isn't. Why not wait until that evidence has been submitted before making that statement?

Quote
All I've got to say is you learn a lot about the character a man by the way he behaves when he loses.

Perhaps he didn't lose? I'm confident if he thought it was a fair and free election he would concede. He's stated more than once he has evidence of widespread fraud. If true the election was compromised. I like the fact that he's fighting to prove it. Suppose he is fighting for the American people and fair and free elections.

Big tech, MSM and the globalist cabal want him out very badly and they are working mighty hard to convince the world Biden won. What if he didn't?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: shakespear on November 16, 2020, 04:32:13 PM

Perhaps he didn't lose? I'm confident if he thought it was a fair and free election he would concede.

Trump NEVER admits he loses at anything.

He's been setting his base up with the voter fraud story for months now.  He will NEVER admit he
lost this election fair and square.

Election fraud of the magnitude needed to swing a state 40,000 or 50,000 votes is just not
possible in the USA.  Take that to the bank.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 16, 2020, 05:39:00 PM

Perhaps he didn't lose? I'm confident if he thought it was a fair and free election he would concede.

Trump NEVER admits he loses at anything.

He's been setting his base up with the voter fraud story for months now.  He will NEVER admit he
lost this election fair and square.

Election fraud of the magnitude needed to swing a state 40,000 or 50,000 votes is just not
possible in the USA.  Take that to the bank.

That's simply false.

Dominion voting machines can do that and more.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on November 16, 2020, 06:21:25 PM

Perhaps he didn't lose? I'm confident if he thought it was a fair and free election he would concede.

Trump NEVER admits he loses at anything.

He's been setting his base up with the voter fraud story for months now.  He will NEVER admit he
lost this election fair and square.

Election fraud of the magnitude needed to swing a state 40,000 or 50,000 votes is just not
possible in the USA.  Take that to the bank.

I would disagree. You call it a setting his base up, I would call it a warning. You've deemed he lost this election fair and square yet you haven't seen the evidence Trump has to the contrary that will state his case. What are you, clairvoyant? The fraud and corruption thus far is leading to way beyond 40-50K votes. Maybe you should wait on the evidence?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8eujrTyRRE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8eujrTyRRE)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 16, 2020, 08:02:57 PM

Perhaps he didn't lose? I'm confident if he thought it was a fair and free election he would concede.

Trump NEVER admits he loses at anything.

He's been setting his base up with the voter fraud story for months now.  He will NEVER admit he
lost this election fair and square.

Election fraud of the magnitude needed to swing a state 40,000 or 50,000 votes is just not
possible in the USA.  Take that to the bank.

I would disagree. You call it a setting his base up, I would call it a warning. You've deemed he lost this election fair and square yet you haven't seen the evidence Trump has to the contrary that will state his case. What are you, clairvoyant? The fraud and corruption thus far is leading to way beyond 40-50K votes. Maybe you should wait on the evidence?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8eujrTyRRE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8eujrTyRRE)

Initially I felt like Shakespear does.

However now I believe the evidence is mounting of substantial fraud.

I very much would like to see where this leads. Glad that Trump has the courage to fight on behalf of all Americans for honest and fair elections.

Release the Kraken!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 16, 2020, 08:04:32 PM
Joe Biden, warmonger? Read between the lines.

Quote

"This is confirmed by the fact that Democratic Biden, then chairman of the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee, supported Republican President Bush’s decision in 2001 to attack and invade Afghanistan, and in 2002 promoted a bipartisan resolution of 77 senators authorizing President Bush to attack and invade Iraq with the accusation (later proven false) that it possessed weapons of mass destruction."

https://www.globalresearch.ca/joe-biden-foreign-policy/5729248
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 16, 2020, 10:37:56 PM

Perhaps he didn't lose? I'm confident if he thought it was a fair and free election he would concede.

Trump NEVER admits he loses at anything.

He's been setting his base up with the voter fraud story for months now.  He will NEVER admit he
lost this election fair and square.

Election fraud of the magnitude needed to swing a state 40,000 or 50,000 votes is just not
possible in the USA.  Take that to the bank.

Read this and weep!

https://www.technocracy.news/the-hammer-and-scorecard-weapons-of-mass-vote-manipulation/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 16, 2020, 11:20:38 PM
Election fraud of the magnitude needed to swing a state 40,000 or 50,000 votes is just not
possible in the USA.  Take that to the bank.


Powerhouse attorney, Sidney Powell, who got General Flynn out of a jam and leads the Trump lawsuits gave an interview and said she has witnesses that say the counting of the vote stopped when Trump had a huge lead the the voting machines in swing states were then shut down and reset with a patch to help Biden. A high ranking military witness can prove how the voting machines work and he says he witnesses how they are manipulated in real time when they were used in Venezuela to help Hugo Chavez win. Communist money pushes the software Smartmatic used in voting machines around the world. CIA knows this software can be manipulated. Why haven't they sounded off the alarm since it's being used in our elections and coincidently, used in swing states.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/sidney-powell-drops-bomb-mark-levin-show-witness-creation-smartmatic-system-used-change-election-results-video/

http://therightscoop.com/watch-sidney-powell-reads-bombshell-evidence-from-high-ranking-military-witness-explaining-how-smartmatic-was-created-to-throw-elections/

There are bad actors trying to undermine our nation and take away our freedoms and right to vote. We are headed in that direction. Some people kept this nation free by paying a price in blood. We are not at that point but there remains a cost to keeping our freedoms and donating to the Trump Defense Fund may not get Trump a 2nd term but it will certainly help discover any fraud in our elections and begin a process to prevent it from happening again.

http://secure.winred.com/djt/election-defense-fund?utm_medium=social&utm_source=djt_fb&utm_campaign=20201105_10_election-defense-fund_teamtrump
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on November 16, 2020, 11:24:27 PM


Election fraud of the magnitude needed to swing a state 40,000 or 50,000 votes is just not
possible in the USA.  Take that to the bank.

 It isn't?

https://coosavalleynews.com/2020/11/nearly-3000-additional-votes-discovered-in-hand-recount-in-floyd-county/?fbclid=IwAR2gVVJKWBfKpFyWPGgwjB8VBWO53wdq22KE6OhIge6zsO10I0JlBkt5BMA

According to Board of Elections Chairman Tom Rees, “the hand count added 2,631 more votes than were registered by computers.”  That number was released on Monday after nearly 20 hours of hand counting over the weekend.

It appears that the votes did not come from day of voting or absentee, but rather early voting.

According to Luke Martin, Floyd County GOP chairman, “It is scary that this happened in Floyd County.  Imagine what the numbers could look like in places like Fulton County.”  Martin added, “It appears that our elections office did not misplace any ballots, rather it appears as if this is a computer software mishap with the Dominion system.”

Wendy Davis, Rome City Commissioner. “I am proud of the wonderful people who came in and worked tirelessly for two days. What we discovered that the count that the elections office turned into the secretary of state was wrong. “

Of the 2,631 votes sources at the elections office told CVN that it appeared that between 1,600 and 1,900 were cast for President Trump.


 Already they are finding substantial discrepancies in Georgia. This was in just one county, there are 159. We'll have to see how many more "computer software mishaps" happen there   :coffeeread:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 17, 2020, 03:46:00 AM
EXCLUSIVE: How a Philly mob boss stole the election — and why he may flip on Joe Biden
November 14, 2020


https://buffalochronicle.com/2020/11/14/exclusive-how-a-philly-mob-boss-stole-the-election-and-why-he-may-flip-on-joe-biden/

The western free world has suddenly entered a "1984" Era.  It is very difficult to find Truth from main stream English media!  Most of my information posted here after October are actually originated from Chinese sources, and then I chase back to English source.  Hope my American Friends to know their Actual Situation!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 17, 2020, 03:52:32 AM
From a comment of the above quoted article:

bob wilson says:
November 17, 2020 at 12:45 am

Hillary Clinton is the only person in America that has 39 friends that committed suicide…Of course just before they were about to testify against her. Dems evil!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Guile on November 17, 2020, 03:58:17 AM
Loyalman what are you talking about?!   Lei gong di mut yeh fai waah?! lei hai m hai heung kong yun ah?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 17, 2020, 04:14:06 AM
Loyalman what are you talking about?!   Lei gong di mut yeh fai waah?! lei hai m hai heung kong yun ah?

or diu lay lo may heigh!!!  HAHAH!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on November 17, 2020, 04:20:27 AM
interview and said she has witnesses that say the counting of the vote stopped when Trump had a huge lead the the voting machines in swing states were then shut down and reset with a patch to help Biden. A high ranking military witness can prove how the voting machines work and he says he witnesses how they are manipulated in real time when they were used in Venezuela to help Hugo Chavez win.
If this statement is true, then a manual laboured recount shall expose this. In the Netherlands, all use of voting machines is banned because of this manipulation possibility. Some companies tried with proven open-source code etc. etc. but the law is clear enough and therefore voting here is still done on a ballot with pen/paper and in person identified by your passport/identity-card. Mail-in votes are not allowed. If you are living abroad, a vote is possible in the Dutch embassy (Or another embassy authorized by Dutch govt) at the time mentioned.

You can also vote for someone else (1 person!), but then you will need to have their original passport/identity card + signed by that other person declaration you are authorized to vote for them. You must also cast both votes at the same time. This can also be done only once, you are not allowed to vote for 3 or more people.

Also the NL have tons of locations where you can legally vote run by volunteers of all parties (or even enthousiast private citizens). Also, all counting of votes must be witnessed by at least 2 parties that are expected to win a significant amount of votes. Private citizens also have the right to witness the counting of votes and video-record the event. (citizens that wish this, must notify the admins running the voting-booth at least 10 minutes before counting starts).

After counting, all voting stations are then aggregated with city-districts, cities, counties (provinces) and finally a country-wide election result is posted. Usually the results are known within 4-5 hours although one famous time took 1 whole day.

The way it works scales indefinately, so even if the NL would get 400 million subjects, it would still be able to have all vote counting done within hours or 1 day maximum. And we have more than 2 parties, we have about 20 that make up the gov't.

the last time I voted for the legal government (2017) , I could choose about 20 names on each party. Meaning if I like (the current ruling) VVD, but dislike M. Rutte (currently president) , I could vote for someone else on the VVD ballot. When the nr.2 , 3,4,5 or even lower gets more votes than the leader nr.1 , it is expected they will then become the party-leader. If someone has enough votes to actually get a seat in the government but the place on the ballot was too low, law dictates the lower member will get their seat in the government by replacing someone with fewer personal votes.

Example of how this works:

(names are fiction, just examples)
1. Sharon
2. Hugo
3. Ferd
4. Mark

Now suppose the party they belong to scores 2 government seats. Normally that means Sharon+hugo get to goto the government. However, nr.3. gets so much votes he by himself is allowed a seat. Then nr.2 Hugo will forfeit and Ferd gets his seat in the govt. (luckily, to my knowledge it never happened that both 3+4 gets so much votes 1+2 are both replaced. The situation with 1 replaced seat has happened).

There are 250 seats total, the biggest party gets to choose the president from their ranks (usually also the nr.1 on their voting list "lijst trekker" ).

Mark.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Guile on November 17, 2020, 07:10:43 AM
Loyalman what are you talking about?!   Lei gong di mut yeh fai waah?! lei hai m hai heung kong yun ah?

or diu lay lo may heigh!!!  HAHAH!!!

lei pook gai! hahaha. Better speak English or everyone will get mad "lei goh chow hai sik dim sum ah".  I heard HK is doing very bad now.  All the politicians quit because of Beijing.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on November 17, 2020, 07:15:38 AM

Perhaps he didn't lose? I'm confident if he thought it was a fair and free election he would concede.

Trump NEVER admits he loses at anything.

He's been setting his base up with the voter fraud story for months now.  He will NEVER admit he
lost this election fair and square.

Election fraud of the magnitude needed to swing a state 40,000 or 50,000 votes is just not
possible in the USA.  Take that to the bank.

I would disagree. You call it a setting his base up, I would call it a warning. You've deemed he lost this election fair and square yet you haven't seen the evidence Trump has to the contrary that will state his case. What are you, clairvoyant? The fraud and corruption thus far is leading to way beyond 40-50K votes. Maybe you should wait on the evidence?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8eujrTyRRE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8eujrTyRRE)

Initially I felt like Shakespear does.

However now I believe the evidence is mounting of substantial fraud.

I very much would like to see where this leads. Glad that Trump has the courage to fight on behalf of all Americans for honest and fair elections.

Release the Kraken!!

I too was willing to accept the election until the 7 states arbitrarily stopped counting in the middle of the night. I've seen a lot of presidential elections and stayed awake to follow most of them. To give you some idea of how many I've seen Nixon win. I have never seen 7 states stop counting in the middle of the night. Here or there one state may have had some technical problems and halted temporarily, never 2 or more states that I can recall that stopped until the next day. My spidey senses went wild. Ironically 6 of those states can not determine a winner after Trump had substansial leads and was trending. When the counts resumed the next day the leads were suddenly gone in 6 states. The media was suddenly calling them Biden.

I want to see the Kracken
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 17, 2020, 09:48:21 AM
interview and said she has witnesses that say the counting of the vote stopped when Trump had a huge lead the the voting machines in swing states were then shut down and reset with a patch to help Biden. A high ranking military witness can prove how the voting machines work and he says he witnesses how they are manipulated in real time when they were used in Venezuela to help Hugo Chavez win.
If this statement is true, then a manual laboured recount shall expose this. In the Netherlands, all use of voting machines is banned because of this manipulation possibility. Some companies tried with proven open-source code etc. etc. but the law is clear enough and therefore voting here is still done on a ballot with pen/paper and in person identified by your passport/identity-card. Mail-in votes are not allowed. If you are living abroad, a vote is possible in the Dutch embassy (Or another embassy authorized by Dutch govt) at the time mentioned.


Some States use paperless voting machines so a recount may not be able to expose this. A computer scientist would need to investigate the history of the voting machines to see if there was manipulation or errors. Trump doesn't have much time to prove his case. I hope he does. Paper ballots are much better but elections can still be stolen just like when Nixon was robbed in 1960

https://www.govtech.com/elections/Despite-Risks-Some-States-Still-Use-Paperless-Voting-Machines.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 17, 2020, 02:14:19 PM
EXCLUSIVE: How a Philly mob boss stole the election — and why he may flip on Joe Biden
November 14, 2020


https://buffalochronicle.com/2020/11/14/exclusive-how-a-philly-mob-boss-stole-the-election-and-why-he-may-flip-on-joe-biden/

The western free world has suddenly entered a "1984" Era.  It is very difficult to find Truth from main stream English media!  Most of my information posted here after October are actually originated from Chinese sources, and then I chase back to English source.  Hope my American Friends to know their Actual Situation!

Good find Loyal Man!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 17, 2020, 02:27:44 PM
Two arrests for fraud, California.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/2-charged-with-voter-fraud-allegedly-submitted-8000-fraudulent-registration-applications_3583016.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-17-4
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 17, 2020, 08:33:31 PM

https://m.theepochtimes.com/hundreds-of-gop-voters-say-they-returned-mail-in-ballots-state-data-says-they-didnt_3582853.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-17-6
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on November 18, 2020, 12:31:24 AM
 Sidney Powell with more about the Dominion voting system. She claims the evidence they have gathered will have a world wide impact. Stay tuned folks, this could get interesting!

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on November 18, 2020, 05:44:05 AM
Sidney Powell with more about the Dominion voting system. She claims the evidence they have gathered will have a world wide impact. Stay tuned folks, this could get interesting!


By world wide impact, do you mean tantrums and tears for some and others pissing themselves laughing??  :chuckle:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on November 18, 2020, 07:48:02 AM
I am sure that governments around the world are looking at the corrupt mess that is the U.S. election system with some consternation. We 'normals' cannot help but find what is going on funny, in a rather unfortunate way. The consternation comes because the, to put it politely, confusion that reigns in the Land of the FreeTM will have effects that ripple around the world.

The idea that the government of the most bellicose nation of the world is, right now, and for a couple of months to come is effectively rudderless will have effects. Some nations may see opportunities and others may well see threats as the incumbent or expectant successor are distracted, or try to have a last gasp influence on world affairs. Possibly the greatest threat comes from those in the USAian power vertical who see a short window of opportunity to further their own agendas without the normal oversight or personal consequences that would normally, even in the USA, be expected.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2020, 12:13:03 PM
Sidney Powell with more about the Dominion voting system. She claims the evidence they have gathered will have a world wide impact. Stay tuned folks, this could get interesting!


By world wide impact, do you mean tantrums and tears for some and others pissing themselves laughing??  :chuckle:

Let's hope so!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2020, 12:37:55 PM
Another large error detected in Georgia.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/georgia-monitor-catches-9626-vote-error-in-hand-recount_3584168.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-18-2
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on November 18, 2020, 12:45:54 PM
Another large error detected in Georgia.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/georgia-monitor-catches-9626-vote-error-in-hand-recount_3584168.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-18-2

If I'm right, from Googling just now, Biden had GA by 13977 votes, so with the "error" factored in, if another 4352 are found anywhere there, Trump takes GA? Or is it not that simple?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2020, 01:36:40 PM
Another large error detected in Georgia.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/georgia-monitor-catches-9626-vote-error-in-hand-recount_3584168.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-18-2

If I'm right, from Googling just now, Biden had GA by 13977 votes, so with the "error" factored in, if another 4352 are found anywhere there, Trump takes GA? Or is it not that simple?

I believe you are correct.

In fact I believe there will be more votes found for Trump than just that in Georgia alone.

When looking at all 5 states which halted counting middle of night the scale of the fraud is massive.

Trump is definitely a fighter and if he and his attorneys can present sufficient evidence to the supreme court, heads are going to roll.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on November 18, 2020, 04:20:07 PM
Okay, I am going to have to say this just once:

This kind of large-scale fraud is unprecedented. I am now in the "fraud" camp, despite having thought Biden won fair and square.

I also think that Trump might not get all the way to the white house again, they will shoot him down somewhere down the road (not literally, but evidence lost, fake, etc. etc. etc.)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on November 18, 2020, 05:33:51 PM
Okay, I am going to have to say this just once:

This kind of large-scale fraud is unprecedented. I am now in the "fraud" camp, despite having thought Biden won fair and square.

I also think that Trump might not get all the way to the white house again, they will shoot him down somewhere down the road (not literally, but evidence lost, fake, etc. etc. etc.)

It does appear to be widespread and massive fraud. There really was nothing before or after the actual election that would lead one to believe that Biden could or would win the election. Biden's dirty laundry was silenced by the MSM coupled with his onset dementia, his penchant for lying and the fact that he sold access to the office of the VP one would think he'd have lost on that alone. It was looking like Trump in a landslide. The flood of unverified mail in ballots and now the Dominion software tampering it looks like the corruption was well planned and rampant
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2020, 08:12:30 PM
More on Georgia.

Quote

"Nine of the affiants swore to have seen suspiciously pristine, uncreased mail ballots, uniformly and perfectly filled out, almost always for Biden. In one case, a batch of such ballots included 500 ballots in a row all cast for Biden, the Democratic presidential nominee.

The lack of creases is strange considering that mail ballots have to be folded to fit in an envelope. Some of the witnesses said the perfect markings, all in black and never outside the voting bubble, appeared as though they were printed by a machine or stamped."

https://m.theepochtimes.com/georgia-recount-witnesses-saw-trump-votes-counted-for-biden-batches-of-suspicious-mail-ballots_3585027.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-18-4
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 18, 2020, 09:43:10 PM
Another large error detected in Georgia.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/georgia-monitor-catches-9626-vote-error-in-hand-recount_3584168.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-18-2

If I'm right, from Googling just now, Biden had GA by 13977 votes, so with the "error" factored in, if another 4352 are found anywhere there, Trump takes GA? Or is it not that simple?

Not quite. The kind of error if not found would've extended Biden's lead. It was never registered during the election. Still that batch of Ballots, 1081 went to Biden and only 13 to Trump is still suspicious.

"One of our monitors discovered a 9,626 vote error in the DeKalb County hand count. One batch was labeled 10,707 for Biden and 13 for Trump - an improbable margin even by DeKalb standards. The actual count for the batch was 1,081 for Biden and 13 for Trump."

https://www.cbs46.com/news/dekalb-ceo-responds-to-gop-claims-of-vote-counting-error/article_b41aa258-29de-11eb-974c-075daad6c21c.html

Trump's attorney is suing Georgia. He has info that the governor and Sec of State, both Republicans, who buys the machines got kickbacks from Dominion voting machine company. The recount you are seeing isn't an official recount, it's an audit, and even if Trump comes out on top, Trump doesn't win. By state law, an official recount must be done by machine. Trump's attorney is also complaining the audit isn't verifying signatures. The lawsuit also says the election rules changed right before the election by the Sec of State and by law, only State legislature could revise the rules. The Sec of State and elections officials need to save face so I don't expect this audit to reverse the outcome. More must be done to eliminate the dead people and other types of fraud.

Start at 3:10 in the video below. News coverage from local and national news showing vote counts for Trump actually going down and Biden going up the exact same amount. Other Republicans were a victim of these glitches. An intelligence expert says they aren't glitches. The machines were doing what they were programmed to do.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 18, 2020, 10:10:26 PM

In the link is a graph showing vote count in Michigan. Notice the huge spikes for Biden at certain times during the night.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/huge-elections-security-expert-finds-wisconsin-results-complete-fraud-current-machines-not-capability-count-mass-dumps-biden-reported-time-period-video/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 18, 2020, 10:31:08 PM
Due to pressure, threats and the failure of the Democrats to honor the audit, the Republicans rescind their votes to certify the Wayne County elections. Pro Biden Detroit in Wayne County has too many irregularities and more votes than voters. I don't blame them for not certifying the county election.

http://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/wayne-county-election-board-republicans-say-they-were-bullied-rescind

If Wayne County votes don't get certified, Trump wins Michigan. He will either win by majority vote since Wayne County's aren't counted or win because the State election will be invalid due to one county not certifying their votes since the State legislature, the Republicans own a majority, will decide who their state electors will be.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2020, 10:31:23 PM
Wayne county, Michigan Republicans rescind their votes which were under duress due to threats.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-wayne-county-michigan-election-board-republicans-rescind-votes-certifying-results-file-affidavits-families-threatened/

Edit to add: BillyB just posted about the same event.

Let's see if the MSM stops lying and covers this.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 19, 2020, 01:28:05 AM
Another large error detected in Georgia.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/georgia-monitor-catches-9626-vote-error-in-hand-recount_3584168.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-18-2

If I'm right, from Googling just now, Biden had GA by 13977 votes, so with the "error" factored in, if another 4352 are found anywhere there, Trump takes GA? Or is it not that simple?

I believe you are correct.

In fact I believe there will be more votes found for Trump than just that in Georgia alone.

When looking at all 5 states which halted counting middle of night the scale of the fraud is massive.

Trump is definitely a fighter and if he and his attorneys can present sufficient evidence to the supreme court, heads are going to roll.

Recounting ballots is far from enough!  Remember those videos showing small and large scale destruction of ballots voting President Trump!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 19, 2020, 01:33:49 AM
Okay, I am going to have to say this just once:

This kind of large-scale fraud is unprecedented. I am now in the "fraud" camp, despite having thought Biden won fair and square.

I also think that Trump might not get all the way to the white house again, they will shoot him down somewhere down the road (not literally, but evidence lost, fake, etc. etc. etc.)

Actual shooting is the Plan C!!!  Watch out!!!  Year 2020 USA Election is an historical milestone!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 19, 2020, 01:39:36 AM
Another American Hero!!!  Mellissa Carone Dominion Whistleblower!!!
11 Nov 2020

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 19, 2020, 01:45:34 AM
Wayne county, Michigan Republicans rescind their votes which were under duress due to threats.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-wayne-county-michigan-election-board-republicans-rescind-votes-certifying-results-file-affidavits-families-threatened/

Edit to add: BillyB just posted about the same event.

Let's see if the MSM stops lying and covers this.


American Friends,
Imaging how much $ is required in order to keep all Western Main Stream Media silent?!?  Then, you will be able to guess who is behind them!  A World Class Economic Body who must overthrow President Trump!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 19, 2020, 01:53:02 AM
President Trump supporters getting rid of CBS (fake news) reporters!!!
14 Nov 2020

Original English Conversation
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 19, 2020, 03:37:03 PM
Executive Order on Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election

DONALD J. TRUMP, USA President.

THE WHITE HOUSE, 12th September, 2018.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/ (https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 19, 2020, 07:36:45 PM

https://welovetrump.com/2020/11/19/giuliani-we-more-than-double-the-number-of-votes-to-overturn-the-election/?utm_source=newsletter_vm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=vm
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on November 20, 2020, 01:21:45 AM
Executive Order on Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election

DONALD J. TRUMP, USA President.

THE WHITE HOUSE, 12th September, 2018.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/ (https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/)

 I noticed you posted this earlier today and didn't pay much attention to it. But then I watched this youtube video out of Australia that mentions that same executive order and what powers it gives Trump in this election


 In the video he mentions how the executive order gives the US govt the right to seize any evidence pertaining to suspected fraud in the US election. I don't know if anyone here heard stories about a Dominion server being seized by US soldiers in Germany, I have read articles saying it was done, then I read fact checking sites that say it wasn't true. But earlier today, at the press conference Trump's lawyers held, Sidney Powell confirmed that said server actually had been taken. (So much for trusting the fact checkers!)



 At the 1:13:00 mark of the video she talks about it, she says they were taken but she wasn't sure if "good guys got it or bad guys got it"

 Then, I remembered something... does anyone remember Trump tweeting this on Nov 12th?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1326926226888544256

“REPORT: DOMINION DELETED 2.7 MILLION TRUMP VOTES NATIONWIDE. DATA ANALYSIS FINDS 221,000 PENNSYLVANIA VOTES SWITCHED FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP TO BIDEN. 941,000 TRUMP VOTES DELETED. STATES USING DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS SWITCHED 435,000 VOTES FROM TRUMP TO BIDEN.”

 Back when I first saw that the first thing I wondered was how did he know those numbers? So I did a quick search and couldn't find anything to back them up. But now that all this other info came out I'm suspecting that it was the "good guys" who seized that server, and it was from there that Trump got them.

 So if all this is true, all these lawsuits and recounts and confirmations don't mean a thing. It also shows why Trump is so confident that he is going to end up winning this election, he's going to win by default. Guess we'll have to see what happens in the coming weeks, if nothing else this is a hell of a story!



 

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 20, 2020, 10:40:25 AM
Canadian Friend,
Yes, my post quoted from White House is a clue to what Trump Team will do.

You can chase back my older posts. I have already said counting and recounting ballots are meaningless.  I understand USA's present situation even better than some USA friends here.  It is because I listen to alternative sources (Chinese, etc.).  These languages are not censored in main stream English media.

Trump Team says Year 2020 Election Coup is backed by Venezuela, Cuba and ChiNazi funds.  Also, Soros, who funds Antifa, also join.

Another big action is: USA Special Army Forces are now directly commanded by USA Defence Minister who, in turn, is directly commanded by President Trump.  I expect there will be intense military action against Biden Traitor Gang in the coming 2 months.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on November 20, 2020, 01:17:57 PM


Another big action is: USA Special Army Forces are now directly commanded by USA Defence Minister who, in turn, is directly commanded by President Trump.  I expect there will be intense military action against Biden Traitor Gang in the coming 2 months.

 I doubt it. Trump has mentioned before how difficult it is to prosecute a lot of the dirty politicians in DC. They are so well protected that they would be tied up with investigations and legal battles for years. Just look how hard it's been so far in the crossfire hurricane investigation.



 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on November 20, 2020, 02:27:37 PM
 Dominion voting systems lawyer up and back out of hearing with Pennsylvania House State Govt Committee

https://www.abc27.com/news/us-world/politics/election/state-government-committee-to-hold-virtual-hearing-on-voting-machines/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on November 20, 2020, 04:59:32 PM
All of this is why we have the 14th Amendment that Abraham Lincoln used to preserve the Republic and save the union.  Likely reason Trump reorganized the DoD.

https://patriotdailypress.com/2020/09/06/trumps-secret-weapon-revealed-fourteenth-amendment-allows-the-president-to-strip-electoral-college-votes-from-states-supporting-censorship-against-voters-enables-mass-arrests-of-mayors-govern/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 20, 2020, 06:34:12 PM
30% of Democrats believe there was election fraud!

https://welovetrump.com/2020/11/20/woah-30-of-democrats-believe-the-election-was-stolen-from-president-trump/?utm_source=newsletter_vm&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=vm
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 20, 2020, 09:44:29 PM

Sidney Powell says they may start putting documents online as early as this weekend. They got a tsunami wave of witnesses. They will go to court soon over it. She said servers used in our elections were sieged in Germany by our forces and other nations could access these servers and influence elections all over the world. She said she's on the right side of truth. I hope so. This would be huge discovery if foreign nations and bad actors could affect our and other nations elections. Let's go back to voting in person with paper ballots.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 21, 2020, 12:49:35 AM
Dominion voting systems lawyer up and back out of hearing with Pennsylvania House State Govt Committee

https://www.abc27.com/news/us-world/politics/election/state-government-committee-to-hold-virtual-hearing-on-voting-machines/

Citizens of Pennsylvania want answers to how the machines and software work and answers pertaining to the accusations from Sidney Powell, Trump's attorney. They promised to show up to the public hearing and didn't. They left a lot of citizens and government officials waiting. They are in trouble. They are going to lose a lot of customers. This could be the beginning of the end for them. Also, the Pennsylvania governor, a Democrat, decertified all voting machines in the state. Too bad mainstream fake news doesn't want to report this and keep Americans ignorant.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on November 21, 2020, 08:35:59 AM
Executive Order on Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election

DONALD J. TRUMP, USA President.

THE WHITE HOUSE, 12th September, 2018.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/ (https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/)

 I noticed you posted this earlier today and didn't pay much attention to it. But then I watched this youtube video out of Australia that mentions that same executive order and what powers it gives Trump in this election


 In the video he mentions how the executive order gives the US govt the right to seize any evidence pertaining to suspected fraud in the US election. I don't know if anyone here heard stories about a Dominion server being seized by US soldiers in Germany, I have read articles saying it was done, then I read fact checking sites that say it wasn't true. But earlier today, at the press conference Trump's lawyers held, Sidney Powell confirmed that said server actually had been taken. (So much for trusting the fact checkers!)



 At the 1:13:00 mark of the video she talks about it, she says they were taken but she wasn't sure if "good guys got it or bad guys got it"

 Then, I remembered something... does anyone remember Trump tweeting this on Nov 12th?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1326926226888544256

“REPORT: DOMINION DELETED 2.7 MILLION TRUMP VOTES NATIONWIDE. DATA ANALYSIS FINDS 221,000 PENNSYLVANIA VOTES SWITCHED FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP TO BIDEN. 941,000 TRUMP VOTES DELETED. STATES USING DOMINION VOTING SYSTEMS SWITCHED 435,000 VOTES FROM TRUMP TO BIDEN.”

 Back when I first saw that the first thing I wondered was how did he know those numbers? So I did a quick search and couldn't find anything to back them up. But now that all this other info came out I'm suspecting that it was the "good guys" who seized that server, and it was from there that Trump got them.

 So if all this is true, all these lawsuits and recounts and confirmations don't mean a thing. It also shows why Trump is so confident that he is going to end up winning this election, he's going to win by default. Guess we'll have to see what happens in the coming weeks, if nothing else this is a hell of a story!

That is an excellent observation. There is much more going on here than is being reported by the MSM. Either because the Trump admin is keeping a lid on it or the MSM just doesn't want the obvious and perhaps the truth of the matter out there.

Trump won in 2016 mostly on his campaign promise to "fight for America and America first". The presidency for him has not (yet anyway enriched him monetarily. Quite the opposite and likely will cost him billions of his own riches. Why does he do it? Is it power alone at the cost of his personal wealth and (no matter what the left now proclaims) his previously good name among the establishment and wealthy elites alike?

I suspect the server rumor has a lot of truth to it. I personally feel that Trump has the information to prove the election was stolen. There is no reason to believe he would not have conceded if the election was untainted and fair. He has a big ego no doubt but, it's not that big.

There is a rumor mostly from the internet that he suspected there are neferious players who would try to steal the election both in and out of country and he previously set up a sting operation to catch them. That part to date is only a rumor. The way and path his legal team seems to be pursuing would make sense if that were the case
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 21, 2020, 11:28:32 AM
President Trump supporters protesting in front of CNN head quarter.

Original English Conversation
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 21, 2020, 11:48:41 AM
Since the mainstream media feels it's more important to report on Giuliani's running hair dye, I'll keep you updated with the more important election news. Michigan and Pennsylvania are doing audits of their elections. I hope they're more thorough than Georgia's audit which didn't distinguish invalid ballots from valid ballots. Since certification of those States will be delayed, it buys Trump more time. If you notice in one article, The entity conducting Pennsylvania's audit is suppose to report back it's finding in February. That means they can't release their slate of 20 electors in time when Congress counts electoral ballots Jan 6.

http://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2020/11/secretary-of-state-says-michigan-will-perform-post-election-audit.html

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/politics-state/2020/11/19/Divided-Pennsylvania-House-gives-approval-for-audit-of-2020-election/stories/202011190148


Conservative Supreme Court justices will be overseeing Swing States election cases based on the release of their new Appeals Court assignments

http://beforeitsnews.com/global-unrest/2020/11/amazing-breaking-news-for-president-trump-as-the-4-conservative-supreme-court-justices-have-now-been-reassigned-to-cover-mi-wi-pa-and-ga-2529677.html

http://www.supremecourt.gov/orders/courtorders/112020zr_8o6a.pdf


FEC(Federal Elections Commission) Chairman read a lot of affidavits and said they're coming from hundreds of credible witnesses who have no relation to each other corroborating the events that have happened on the ground. He sees this going to trial.

http://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/federal-election-commission-chairman-trump-campaign-bringing-legitimate

20 Counties in America have all voted for the Presidential winner since 1980. 19 out of 20 voted for Trump and are wrong this time. Go figure.

http://welovetrump.com/2020/11/21/statistically-impossible-that-19-of-20-bellweather-counties-all-voted-for-trump-and-biden-wins/


Many of you remember some people suspected Hillary stealing the Presidential Democratic nomination from Bernie Sanders in 2016. It was claimed many Bernie votes weren't counted so he lost a close one to Hillary.

http://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/jun/10/blog-posting/pants-fire-viral-rumor-bernie-sanders-won-californ/


Sidney Powell says she has lots of smoking gun evidence. Witnesses will need federal protection. She will begin federal, not state, court lawsuits. She believes 7 million votes or more was stolen from Trump and Biden got 10 million fraudulent votes. She got pictures of check showing people were getting paid to commit fraud, There's various means and methods used for all sorts of fraud this election. She has a recording of a call from a Dominion employee saying to Antifa that not to worry, he's already got Trump losing the election. Sidney Powell has data from 2016 showing Hillary did it to Bernie Sanders in California.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 21, 2020, 12:02:35 PM
American Friends,
I heard a rumour from Chinese source that top democrats have changed their head photos on main stream social sites to Black/White all at the same time!

It may be a signal to execute the next Plan B after Plan A (voter fraud) has failed!  Believe it or not?!?
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 21, 2020, 12:18:09 PM
The Trump campaign pointed out a small pin resting on the table behind Whitmer during her interview (bottom left). The pin contained the numbers "8645."  "Whitmer is encouraging assassination attempts against President Trump," Trump's campaign alleged, explaining that "86 can be shorthand for killing someone." The last two numbers refer to Trump, who is the 45th president of the United States.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2020/10/19/8645-meaning-whitmer-trump/3708927001/ (https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/detroit/2020/10/19/8645-meaning-whitmer-trump/3708927001/)


"8645" is the Plan C?!?
(https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/10/19/PDTF/fe60d5ed-d8bb-4555-bb49-f181e3b6f241-Whitmer_Meet_the_Press.PNG?width=660&height=346&fit=crop&format=pjpg&auto=webp)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on November 21, 2020, 12:22:50 PM
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on November 21, 2020, 06:57:31 PM
Interesting article of a political/economical researcher in a major Dutch newspaper:

https://www.telegraaf.nl/watuzegt/1129189905/waren-verkiezingen-wel-zo-veilig-en-eerlijk

Gist of it:
No, the elections have not been fair, they have been defrauded massivly. Not by voter-fraud, but by public opinion fraud. Big tech influenced the american elections to ensure Biden would win. If thats allowed the man is not sure, but allowed or not, it is a hell of a scary thought that big-tech will choose the next President of the USA.

Quote from: Depeche mode
New Dress:

You can't change the world
But you can change the facts
And when you change the facts
You change points of view
If you change points of view
You may change a vote
And when you change a vote
You may change the world
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 21, 2020, 09:39:12 PM
Trump versus the Military Industrial Complex

https://fort-russ.com/2020/09/trump-vs-the-military-industrial-complex-military-coup-danger-escalates/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 22, 2020, 07:58:49 AM
Mr. Dave Evans, volunteer lawyer for President Trump, monitor of ballot counting in Detroit
Report about what he witnessed.
22 Nov 2020

Original English Conversation

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 22, 2020, 01:55:43 PM

Yesterday Sidney Powell said there's one State every Democrat candidate got a bonus 35,000 votes and the algorithm may have ran like that across the country. They're still investigating but she said one state for sure. At one point the voter machines gave Biden 186,000 votes in a row without giving one to Trump. She said hundreds of thousands of people are in prison that were convicted on far less evidence than they have. Some Democrats have lost votes due to vote flipping in the 2018 election which alarmed Amy Klobuchar and Elizabeth Warren enough to write letters to the manufactures of the machines asking for answers. Although mostly Democrats are involved, some Republicans paid for their wins. When the algorithms couldn't keep up with the amounts of votes Trump was getting, the machines needed to be turned off so they could change the algorithms and allow ballots to be created to match the numbers the computers were putting out. The algorithm weighed Trump's vote .75 and Biden's by 1.25 She's going to blow up Georgia first and get it flipped. They bought 100 million dollars worth of Dominion machines last second with the governor and Sec of State getting kickbacks. The lawsuit she'll be filing in Georgia will be of biblical proportions.

Pertaining to all this fraud, she said she can wait a month to file in court and everybody will have to undo State Certification of their elections. States should do the right thing investigating now before certifying because this could blow up in their face. Bernie Sanders won the 2016 California primaries but the machines were rigged to allow Hillary to win. Bernie was told the machines flipped California votes for Hillary but he played nice and got enough money to buy a fabulous new house.

It's amazing the Democrats were so mad when Russia interfered in our elections when much of the fraud is coming from our own people. They point the finger to Russia so we aren't occupied with what they're doing. A lot of Sidney Powell's witnesses ARE employees of Dominion. If all what Sidney Powell has been saying is true and can be proved in court, it's mind blowing that our votes haven't counted in years since a few people in our country and outside our country control who wins. Powell said our intelligence agencies probably knew what was going on but didn't do anything about it. A LOT of people should be going to jail but first we got to get Trump a second term because Biden won't do anything about it.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on November 22, 2020, 02:43:33 PM
 This is getting huge. I wonder who is going to be the first to commit suicide by shooting themselves in the back if the head 3 times!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on November 22, 2020, 03:33:25 PM
 Oan aired an investigation into Dominion voting machines this weekend. They hired a computer tech to go over the manuals for them who found the machines were actually designed to change data. Why would a feature like that even be needed other than to tamper with results?

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 22, 2020, 08:46:35 PM
They hired a computer tech to go over the manuals for them who found the machines were actually designed to change data. Why would a feature like that even be needed other than to tamper with results?


If their customers demand the feature, they'll create the feature.

A guy in the link below collected some info. He posts attorney Lin Wood interview where he says it's going to be revealed some people in the White House was into Satanic worship and pedophilia. I wonder if this is related to the Pizzagate conspiracy theory.

The guy also reported on Trump staffer, Brian Trascher giving an interview saying that our military seized Scytl servers from our CIA located in Germany. I hope they caught that event on video! So the good guys now have it and it's probably why Trump has been happily tweeting lately since the info in the servers will be revealed in a court of law.

http://rumble.com/vbbos1-satanic-pedophilia-and-voter-fraud-to-dovetail-seized-servers-confirmed-sco.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on November 22, 2020, 09:01:23 PM
https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2020/11/21/blackwell-the-greatest-electoral-heist-in-american-history/

Blackwell: The Greatest Electoral Heist in American History

And the Big Steal revealed by Big Data Statistical Analysis:


and;


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on November 22, 2020, 10:24:30 PM
They hired a computer tech to go over the manuals for them who found the machines were actually designed to change data. Why would a feature like that even be needed other than to tamper with results?


If their customers demand the feature, they'll create the feature.

A guy in the link below collected some info. He posts attorney Lin Wood interview where he says it's going to be revealed some people in the White House was into Satanic worship and pedophilia. I wonder if this is related to the Pizzagate conspiracy theory.

The guy also reported on Trump staffer, Brian Trascher giving an interview saying that our military seized Scytl servers from our CIA located in Germany. I hope they caught that event on video So the good guys now have it and it's probably why Trump has been happily tweeting lately since the info in the servers will be revealed in a court of law.

http://rumble.com/vbbos1-satanic-pedophilia-and-voter-fraud-to-dovetail-seized-servers-confirmed-sco.html

 Yep, I saw Trascher talking about the seizure earlier today. It's on this video if you want to check it out, starting at the 2:30 mark

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 24, 2020, 09:38:03 PM
I don't talk to my son much about politics but I know he voted for Trump. I have not talked to him about the election until today. He's in college and I don't want him preoccupied with what is going on. I asked him if he heard of the companies Dominion and Smartmatic. He has not. Apparently the media doesn't want him to know what is going on too. I told him we may soon be witnessing history when it's revealed the election was hijacked. In my State, everybody gets a ballot mailed to them. He turned it in on election day. Because of Covid, it was a drive thru drop off and nobody checked his ID. I guess that rule was done to prevent minimum interaction between voters and ballot collectors but we know what happens when ID is not checked.

Giuliani publicly thanked the Obama appointed district court judge for not stalling when he made a ruling quick so they can move on to the next step. Another Trump attorney ripped the district court judge for acting so fast that she knew he couldn't have looked at the evidence. The media will spend 3 years reporting of Trump stealing an election with Russia when they won't even take a look here when there's clear evidence. Once I show you what a court gets, you too will realize the lower courts didn't review all the evidence and simply passed the buck because they know this case and this election are much bigger than them.

There's a video of a shredding company shredding tons of ballots. They put out a statement they were just doing their job as requested by those that hired them and have contacted the elections board and FBI. Read the letter below.

http://twitter.com/ali/status/1331339861245177860/photo/1

Here's a lawsuit filed a week ago by Lin Wood. Hundreds of affidavits and other evidence. Try and read it all since the media thinks no evidence exist and what is there isn't worth reporting. There were pallets of ballots brought in. There was ballot shredding. I wonder who's ballots got shredded??? There's so much information, I see why lower court judges don't read it all and pass the buck quickly.

There's the high level Venezuelan that was at the meeting with Hugo Chavez and Smartmatic with Smartmatic agreeing to progam the machines to get a Chavez win. Chavez never lost an election. This software's DNA is in all the voting machines we use today. There was a time when Chavez was down 2 million votes and the machines were turned off and reset in the early morning hours and Chavez ended up winning a close one by 200K. Sound familiar? The software ended up winning elections for Chavez party members too. Maduro benefited too. There's a control room where they can watch in real time and move votes for one candidate to the other. I wonder if our control room was in our CIA compound in Germany where the server was seized? The Venezuela said what happened in America alarmed him that the vote count stopped at places the Dominion machines were at and then Biden took the lead. Gave him flashbacks since he knows how it works and was in the control room to watch it go down in his country.

http://www.dropbox.com/s/4f5gvx6oh9zskvf/2020-11-17%20TRO%20Motion%20with%20Exhibits.PDF?dl=0

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 24, 2020, 11:46:46 PM

Here is a guy who's been at a Antifa meeting conference call with Antifa loving Dominion executive, Eric Coomer and he tells them "Trump is not going to win. I made F'ing sure of that"

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 24, 2020, 11:49:57 PM

Here is the same Antifa loving Dominion Executive Eric Coomer teaching people how to alter the votes on their machines 2017 in Chicago.


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 25, 2020, 11:54:14 PM
Sidney Powell releases the Kraken on Georgia

https://defendingtherepublic.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/COMPLAINT-CJ-PEARSON-V.-KEMP-11.25.2020.pdf

Sidney Powell releases the Kraken on Michigan

https://defendingtherepublic.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Michigan-Complaint.pdf
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 25, 2020, 11:57:23 PM
Witnesses of massive fraud testify

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on November 26, 2020, 12:17:22 AM
Sidney Powell releases the Kraken on Georgia

https://defendingtherepublic.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/COMPLAINT-CJ-PEARSON-V.-KEMP-11.25.2020.pdf

Sidney Powell releases the Kraken on Michigan

https://defendingtherepublic.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Michigan-Complaint.pdf

What I don't get, is why they never forced a name-change on the 'dominion' voting software/machines. It sounds far too ominous to be accepted as democratic software.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 26, 2020, 12:49:49 AM
Sidney Powell releases the Kraken on Georgia

https://defendingtherepublic.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/COMPLAINT-CJ-PEARSON-V.-KEMP-11.25.2020.pdf

Sidney Powell releases the Kraken on Michigan

https://defendingtherepublic.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Michigan-Complaint.pdf

What I don't get, is why they never forced a name-change on the 'dominion' voting software/machines. It sounds far too ominous to be accepted as democratic software.

IIRC it was changed. From Sequoia I believe? It's all a bit confusing. Read the PDF of the complaint. I read a few pages of it. Fascinating stuff.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Gipsy on November 26, 2020, 12:51:39 AM
Sidney Powell releases the Kraken on Georgia

https://defendingtherepublic.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/COMPLAINT-CJ-PEARSON-V.-KEMP-11.25.2020.pdf

Sidney Powell releases the Kraken on Michigan

https://defendingtherepublic.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Michigan-Complaint.pdf

What I don't get, is why they never forced a name-change on the 'dominion' voting software/machines. It sounds far too ominous to be accepted as democratic software.

IIRC it was changed. From Sequoia I believe? It's all a bit confusing. Read the PDF of the complaint. I read a few pages of it. Fascinating stuff.

Big Brother is not only watching you, he is also controlling who you vote for..   :ROFL: :ROFL:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 26, 2020, 12:55:30 AM
Pretty sad and IMO obviously massive fraud

Biden gave a speech wishing Happy Thanksgiving today.

Supposedly only maybe 10K watched it, but allegedly he received 80 Million votes?

WOW! JUST SMH.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 26, 2020, 09:25:46 AM
Today's Summary
===========


Powell registered as a Military Lawyer

American Friends,
What does it imply in USA's system?

Powell also implied that the 2 top officers of Georgia State had been Blue/Gold/Yellow'ed by ChiNazi.


[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 26, 2020, 09:52:34 AM
Pretty sad and IMO obviously massive fraud

Biden gave a speech wishing Happy Thanksgiving today.

Supposedly only maybe 10K watched it, but allegedly he received 80 Million votes?

WOW! JUST SMH.


I really want to watch Biden family's Adult Videos:
Hunter Biden vs his own niece
Hunter Biden vs his brother's Wife.
Hunter Biden vs Obama's daughter Maria
Hunter Biden vs public prostitute Mulan
...
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Could anyone please upload them to porn sites?  ;)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 26, 2020, 10:03:31 AM
What I don't get, is why they never forced a name-change on the 'dominion' voting software/machines. It sounds far too ominous to be accepted as democratic software.


It was changed to Dominion from Sequoia since Sequoia got a bad name when used in rigged elections. Sequoia machines with Smartmatic software were used in Venezuela's fraudulent elections. Smartmatic agreed to sell Sequoia to avoid a US investigation. Dominion bought Sequoia in 2010 and got rid of their name after they bankrupt them. Dominion was a small company back then. Now they are responsible for handling a third of our votes but the Smartmatic software is also in machines made by other manufacture's too. Regardless what fake news been saying, Venezuelan people are involved in our elections.

Here's a 2006 video of CNN and Democrat politicians outraged those machines were used in our elections. They called for an investigation. Today, they accept those machines after they learned how beneficial they are to our elections them. Even liberal media gone quite about those machines since it'll get their preferred candidate elected.


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 26, 2020, 10:07:15 AM

Powell registered as a Military Lawyer

American Friends,
What does it imply in USA's system?


It means she can work in the military courts. She may even know people in military intelligence. Here's the type of evidence she will present in court. There may be evidence we can't see if deemed harmful to our national security but judges will be allowed to see it.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.1.15.pdf

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 26, 2020, 08:44:37 PM
I Googled Eric Coomer, the Dominion VP who in a conference call with Antifa said he's going to make sure Trump doesn't win. In a 2019 lawsuit, his declaration said he was VP of Sequoia before Dominion. Sequoia was the machines that used Smartmatic software to rig elections to get Communist Hugo Chavez  and other dictators around the world elected. Smartmatic ended up selling Sequoia to Dominion and apparently Eric Coomer and all his knowledge came with the package deal.

http://gaverifiedvoting.org/pdf-litigation/20191113-658_2-Ex-2-Coomer-Decl.pdf


In the 2019 lawsuit Eric Coomer participated in, the Secretary of State of Georgia was being sued over the new voting machines. The court said this in conclusion....

And at very least, the Court cannot fathom why, post-election, the State and Dominion would not at least be moving toward consideration of the software upgrade option Dominion originally promised, allowing voters to cast ballots that are solely counted based on their voting designations and not on an unencrypted, humanly unverifiable QR code that can be subject to external manipulation and does not allow proper voter verification and ballot vote auditing.

http://casetext.com/case/curling-v-raffensperger-3

Now we are dealing with an election mess in Georgia. I'm sure Lin Wood, Sidney Powell and Team Trump put these pieces together since it was easy for me.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 26, 2020, 09:37:55 PM

In the lawsuit I mentioned, Donna Curling represented the group Coalition for Good Governance and she was listed as the plaintiff. Based on experts in cybersecurity testimony, the court recognized the machines can be subject to external manipulation and a proper audit could not take place after an election. And to think, these machines were used all over America. Trump and other attorneys don't need to spend a lot of time proving the machines can be manipulated by outside sources. They have prior expert witness testimony and the Oct 11, 2020 conclusion of this federal district court.

http://coalitionforgoodgovernance.org/

The court made their final ruling Oct 11, 2020 less than a month before the election and their hands were tied to force changes due to the short amount of time remaining before the election.

Thus, although Plaintiffs have put on a strong case indicating they may prevail on the merits at some future juncture, the Court must exercise real caution in considering the grant of their request for extraordinary injunctive relief, given its obligation to follow governing Supreme Court and Eleventh Circuit authority. Despite the profound issues raised by the Plaintiffs, the Court cannot jump off the legal edge and potentially trigger major disruption in the legally established state primary process governing the conduct of elections based on a preliminary evidentiary record. The capacity of county election systems and poll workers, much less the Secretary of State's Office, to turn on a dime and switch to a full-scale hand-marked paper ballot system is contradicted by the entire messy electoral record of the past years. Implementation of such a sudden systemic change under these circumstances cannot but cause voter confusion and some real measure of electoral disruption. As with any systemic change, implementation of a statewide hand-marked paper ballot system as the State's primary electoral system would require long term planning and advanced poll worker training. Accordingly, based on the binding appellate legal authority, the State's strong legal interest in ensuring an orderly and manageable administration of the current election, and the Court's assessment of the operational realities before it, the Court must deny the Plaintiffs' Motions for Preliminary Injunctive Relief in so far as they request immediate replacement of the current BMD system with a statewide hand-marked paper ballot system
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 27, 2020, 03:08:16 AM
Cowboys MC Organisation fighting against Evil Communists

Original English Conversation
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 27, 2020, 04:42:02 PM

Some of you heard that HAMMER and SCORECARD was involved in this election. Here's an interview from Air Force Lt. General Tom McInerney 2 days before the election. He said Obama illegally spied on citizens. He said Obama took HAMMER from the military and gave it to the CIA. HAMMER is the tool and CIA uses SCORECARD, the software, to affect elections in other nations. Obama used HAMMER and SCORECARD in the 2012 election to benefit himself. People were shocked when Trump won in 2016. This was not supposed to happen but the system failed on them but they will have a backup this election. Hillary was furious because it was her turn. Hillary and Biden was supposed to lose to Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primaries being behind early but later made a comeback. The highest Biden ever got was 4th place in the States until he got to South Carolina when HAMMER and SCORECARD kicked in. Biden then left Bernie in the dust. Bernie got a new house for not raising hell. The general said his sources say they will use HAMMER and SCORECARD again on Trump this election in the battleground States. He was right. He said the media, the polls, and Democrats are one and the same and they will declare Biden the winner the night of or the morning after the election and secure public opinion to make it hard for Trump to challenge it.

He met Senator Biden in the 80's and Biden said he was in the military which the general later he found out Biden lied to him. He also said the Biden family gave away technology secrets to China. He said it was difficult for Trump to clean up the swamp. When Biden slipped a week before the generals interview and said "You guys did it for Obama and now we have put together the biggest voter fraud organization ever" Biden wasn't kidding. Obama got help in the elections too. Mitt Romney could've won but he was a pussy congratulating Obama and conceding too easily. Trump is no Mitt Romney.

The claim our military seized the Scytl servers from our CIA in Germany is looking to be more accurate.

https://davejanda.com/general-tom-mcinerney-hammers-the-deep-state-voter-fraud-operation/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 27, 2020, 05:27:16 PM
Boom!

Quote

"While speaking with Steve Bannon’s War Room, Doug Mastriano broke the news that the PA legislature will draft a joint resolution to take the power back from the Secretary of State to appoint the state’s presidential electors."

https://welovetrump.com/2020/11/27/breaking-news-pennsylvania-state-senator-doug-mastriano-says-legislature-will-seek-joint-resolution-to-appoint-the-presidential-electors/?utm_source=newsletter_randy&utm_medium=mixed&utm_campaign=newsletter_randy
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 27, 2020, 06:09:18 PM
3 states which may flip to Republican electors.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on November 28, 2020, 09:36:53 AM
A more likely scenario, although still slim, is that certain states invalidate their election results.  If Biden falls below 270 (without Trump gaining those votes) then the election goes to the House, where each state gets 1 vote and the GOP controls a majority of delegations - which I think holds up with the new Congress next year. 

In that situation, the Congress chooses the president from the three highest vote getters: Biden, Trump and Jo Jorgensen (the Libertarian candidate who finished third.)

Trump would have to either flip, or states would have to invalidate THREE of the five contested states, though.  That shows how important NE-02 was; if it had gone GOP, then Trump could have succeeded with PA and either of GA or MI.    Now he needs 3.  So not likely.

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 28, 2020, 10:15:41 AM
Now he needs 3.  So not likely.


Hillary had 232 electoral votes and 8 electors ended up not voting for her reducing her actual total. I still think Trump needs at least two States. PA with 20 electoral votes and either MI or GA which leaves Biden with 270 electoral votes and there's a chance one elector will refuse to vote for him knowing this is a sham election and he's got dementia.

Just like PA, MI and AZ Legislatures are holding hearings. They would not waste their time unless there were valid complaints. They most likely seen the evidence before agreeing to the hearing but this hearing is a necessary step before reversing their electoral votes. People should watch the conclusion of the PA hearing. I knew at that point they will begin the process of sending electors that reflect the will of the people, not the will of cheaters.

Trump had a major court win yesterday the liberal media is not covering. A PA judge ruled their election unconstitutional.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-huge-judge-mccullough-rules-2020-pa-election-likely-unconstitutional-gives-state-legislators-power-choose-electors/?ff_source=Twitter&ff_campaign=websitesharingbuttons
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 28, 2020, 10:28:11 AM
A more likely scenario, although still slim, is that certain states invalidate their election results.  If Biden falls below 270 (without Trump gaining those votes) then the election goes to the House, where each state gets 1 vote and the GOP controls a majority of delegations - which I think holds up with the new Congress next year. 

In that situation, the Congress chooses the president from the three highest vote getters: Biden, Trump and Jo Jorgensen (the Libertarian candidate who finished third.)

Trump would have to either flip, or states would have to invalidate THREE of the five contested states, though.  That shows how important NE-02 was; if it had gone GOP, then Trump could have succeeded with PA and either of GA or MI.    Now he needs 3.  So not likely.

B/B

What is NE-02? Is that a county in Maine or other New England state?

Thanks.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on November 28, 2020, 10:44:07 AM
What is NE-02? Is that a county in Maine or other New England state?

Thanks.

There are two states that assign electors by congressional district (with the overall state winner getting two electoral votes).  They are Maine and Nebraska.  This allows for split electors.  So Maine went for Biden but ME-02 (the 2nd congressional district) went for Trump.  The opposite happened in Nebraska.  NE-02 (the 2nd congressional district) went for Biden.  If Biden had 305 electoral votes, instead of 306, then PA (20) plus one of MI or GA (16 each) would bring Biden down to 269 and (Under this scenario Trump would also have 269) and then the election would go to the House.

If that does happen, btw, do not think for 2 seconds that Dems wouldn't try to steal the election.  Again.

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 28, 2020, 11:35:05 AM
What is NE-02? Is that a county in Maine or other New England state?

Thanks.

There are two states that assign electors by congressional district (with the overall state winner getting two electoral votes).  They are Maine and Nebraska.  This allows for split electors.  So Maine went for Biden but ME-02 (the 2nd congressional district) went for Trump.  The opposite happened in Nebraska.  NE-02 (the 2nd congressional district) went for Biden.  If Biden had 305 electoral votes, instead of 306, then PA (20) plus one of MI or GA (16 each) would bring Biden down to 269 and (Under this scenario Trump would also have 269) and then the election would go to the House.

If that does happen, btw, do not think for 2 seconds that Dems wouldn't try to steal the election.  Again.

B/B

How could they steal in that scenario?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 28, 2020, 12:50:23 PM
Quote

"The founders proved prescient: The elections of 1800 and 1824 did not produce winners in the Electoral College and were decided by the House. Thomas Jefferson was chosen in 1800 and John Quincy Adams in 1824."

https://theconversation.com/congress-could-select-the-president-in-a-disputed-election-149580
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on November 28, 2020, 07:07:41 PM
CiC Trump NOT forking around...

https://www.brighteon.com/55940a6c-a58e-422e-9b11-b0218206fbb5

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-11-28-monkey-werx-cia-rendition-flights-are-continuing-confessions-traitors.html

https://www.brighteon.com/f5b42fa9-c990-402c-b621-f4c6ff331ea9
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 28, 2020, 08:08:26 PM

https://m.theepochtimes.com/zuckerberg-funded-group-comes-into-spotlight-in-election-related-court-cases_3596912.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-28-4
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 29, 2020, 12:28:19 AM
CiC Trump NOT forking around...

https://www.brighteon.com/55940a6c-a58e-422e-9b11-b0218206fbb5

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-11-28-monkey-werx-cia-rendition-flights-are-continuing-confessions-traitors.html

https://www.brighteon.com/f5b42fa9-c990-402c-b621-f4c6ff331ea9




Lt General Tom McInerney said when Sidney Powell said she's going to release the 'Kraken', she's referring to the name of the 305th military intelligence battalion which is in charge of cyber warfare and they have told her there was Chinese and Iranian involvement in our election which is a first because they weren't involved in the rigged 2012 and unsuccessful rig of the 2016 elections. If I remember correctly, there was at least one witness in a lawsuit with experience in the 305th.

He said States, including Virginia, used exactly the same algorithm at the same time to get Biden votes to catch up and surpass Trump. That is impossible they all have exactly the same ratio of votes unless there was human intervention. He said Biden should concede because it's treason on a massive scale. The general is eager to read the Durham report to see who he exposes or learn if Durham's part of the Deep State too. They say many people were involved in the fraud and many of those people will be rewarded, some with cabinet appointments. Because so many people are involved, some leaked info of what happened.

The general is not ready to claim the release of COVID was a Democrat plan with the Chinese to help increase mail in ballots but he said COVID did help the Democrats in their effort to magnify the fraud needed to overcome Trump votes. From media, big tech, the post office, judges, and Democrats, there's massive collusion. The general said it would take some time to present the evidence that the Kraken(305th Military Intelligence) collected but it's so compelling that he's sure the Supreme Court will rule 9-0.

http://noqreport.com/2020/11/26/lt-gen-tom-mcinerney-this-is-the-start-of-a-counter-offensive/


General McInerney said behind the scenes there's currently a cyber warfare battle on the ground happening. A guy in the link below with a background in defense who currently monitors military flights say there's a huge spike in American military flight activity. CIA charters private planes used for ferrying prisoners are spiking too. Possibly ferrying traitors for interrogation over international waters to confess in exchange for immunity? It's against the law to interrogate American citizens on military planes but it can be done on private planes. Big military event coming up or is it completed? Maybe the military is just preparing for a big liberal riot in case Trump gets a 2nd term?

http://www.naturalnews.com/2020-11-28-monkey-werx-cia-rendition-flights-are-continuing-confessions-traitors.html


Sidney Powell said Biden should concede now before being implicated in criminal fraud. Guy in the link below says the traitors are turning. Heavy flights in and out of Gitmo. White hat CIA agents are rounding up the traitors. He says servers were seized in Canada, Spain, and in Germany.  Trump has another path to the White House besides state legislatures and court, it's the DoD(Department of Defense). The fact the election was compromised by our adversaries with cyber warfare and the fact the DoD operates in the international realm beyond the Courts jurisdiction, they can take control because it's within their jurisdiction and they can make things right. Using our military to make things right should be the last thing we do. Hopefully State legislatures and Courts sort it out.

http://www.brighteon.com/f5b42fa9-c990-402c-b621-f4c6ff331ea9


The guy in the link below says the Kraken goes out and compromises other servers. He said military witnesses will testify in Sidney Powell's lawsuits. Democrats do not control all forces, intelligence agencies and personnel. There's enough good guys working for America to catch the bad guys helping the Democrats rigging elections. The Democrats, media, and big tech expected public opinion would force Trump to concede. They threaten his attorneys with violence, cancel culture and rape. Trump's remaining attorneys won't quit. Trump isn't sweating it. He's playing golf.

http://www.brighteon.com/55940a6c-a58e-422e-9b11-b0218206fbb5


In this video, he mentions there was a firefight between the military and CIA agents. 5 special operations soldiers and one CIA operative were killed. Surprising ratio IMO. I'll assume the CIA had home field advantage and was prepared for an assault with alarms and traps. General McInerney's interview 2 days before the election may have tipped them off so they brought in CIA para militants from Afghanistan for extra security to protect the server farm. And of course reported in news a few weeks ago, 5 army soldiers died in a helicopter crash in Egypt and one CIA officer died in Somalia. German Intelligence assisted the good guys in some form.

The servers are currently in the hands of the good guys. CIA Director Gina Haspel was thought to be in Germany at the server farm and apprehended after being injured in the firefight. Based on following flight data, it is believed that Haspel was on a DoD rendition flight, getting interrogated if not getting tortured and eventually agreed to cooperate. Does anyone know if she's been seen in public recently?

It is a very dangerous time. Trump shuffles personnel in intelligence agencies. He pardons General Flynn and Flynn quickly gets his security clearance back so he can participate in processing information.

http://www.brighteon.com/f3ec1ad8-c2b9-4b2a-8e00-befae671189d

Gentlemen, you can try and keep up with what is going on behind the scenes or you can wait for the movie to come out. For those who truly believe Biden is going to be inaugurated Jan 20, let me know when Kamala Harris resigns from her Senate job.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 29, 2020, 12:56:27 AM

Found this Nov 10 Article with Secretary of Defense getting fired, FBI director Christopher Wray on the chopping block, and CIA director meeting with Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell with her fate being unclear. Trump has been shuffling things up.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cia-director-gina-haspel-mcconnell-unclear
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Gipsy on November 29, 2020, 02:12:37 AM
Ha ha ha, you all make me laugh... :ROFL:

The US shouted the loudest when Luka, "Supposedly" rigged the recent Belarus election, then you supported a person who claimed to have won "with little to no evidence, just her say so", then you imposed sanctions on Belarus..

Whilst, back home, you cannot even get a "Clean" election, and the person elected, who supposedly cheated, with much "so called factual evidence".

Where are the protests on the street, strikes asf against the results...

What a load of sycophants you are...

Would suggest that you clean up your own backyards BEFORE you tell any other country about theirs...

Its pathetic..  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on November 29, 2020, 02:38:21 AM

How could they steal in that scenario?

What, you think Nancy Pelosi is gonna go "Oh, yeah.  Here you go.  No problemo" and just give up?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 29, 2020, 02:53:08 AM
Found a retired Lt Col of the 82nd Airborne and West Point graduate Tom Watson who still works for the military as a civilian. Sidney Powell and Gen Flynn follows him on twitter. Seems like he's got insider info.

The CIA was stripped of Spec Ops Powers last week for a good reason. Castration by Trump A good indication that Military Intelligence has the goods. One has to understand the crimes those seized Servers contain are a matter of NAT SEC. "Enemies Foreign & Domestic."


http://twitter.com/tom2badcat/status/1331092835072925698?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1331092835072925698%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rumormillnews.com%2Fcgi-bin%2Fforum.cgi%3Fread%3D158880

http://twitter.com/tom2badcat/status/1328754690780254210

http://twitter.com/tom2badcat

http://twitter.com/tom2badcat/status/1331030716096897028/photo/1


The US shouted the loudest when Luka, "Supposedly" rigged the recent Belarus election, then you supported a person who claimed to have won "with little to no evidence, just her say so", then you imposed sanctions on Belarus..


The good people in America are against any rigged election. We're not hypocrites. Look at how the good people shout at the rigged election here done by the liberals. After it's over here, every nation in the world better review their voting machines and software. The liberals who are attempting a coup in America for control also wants to control the world. It's not just our problem.

Ever heard of the Great Reset?

https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 29, 2020, 03:02:48 AM
Where are the protests on the street, strikes asf against the results...


Are you living in America at this moment to know what is going on? The media is putting out propaganda Trump is in court in an attempt to steal the election violating the will of the people who voted. That's what most Americans are hearing now. They aren't getting the info we are posting here. They do not understand how corrupt the Democrat party is to even be angry at them. Media is saying there were no servers seized in Germany. Basically the media is saying Trump bad guy, Biden good guy. As we get closer to the finish line, it will become clear who is going to win and shit will hit the fan.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on November 29, 2020, 04:50:24 AM
Genuine question guys, do you honestly believe that Trump still has a reasonable chance of winning?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on November 29, 2020, 04:53:22 AM
Genuine question guys, do you honestly believe that Trump still has a reasonable chance of winning?

No
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 29, 2020, 09:49:04 AM

How could they steal in that scenario?

What, you think Nancy Pelosi is gonna go "Oh, yeah.  Here you go.  No problemo" and just give up?

No that's not what I meant. I just don't see how she can cheat if every state gets a representative who votes for that state.

Republicans win in that scenario.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 29, 2020, 09:51:09 AM
Genuine question guys, do you honestly believe that Trump still has a reasonable chance of winning?

Yes. Maybe.  :chuckle:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 29, 2020, 09:59:15 AM
Genuine question guys, do you honestly believe that Trump still has a reasonable chance of winning?

This is a War, not an election any more!  The Americans are winning!

War is in the sense of Free World vs Evil Chi-merica! The present civil war in USA is a starting point of the former.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 29, 2020, 10:02:27 AM
Ha ha ha, you all make me laugh... :ROFL:

The US shouted the loudest when Luka, "Supposedly" rigged the recent Belarus election, then you supported a person who claimed to have won "with little to no evidence, just her say so", then you imposed sanctions on Belarus..

Whilst, back home, you cannot even get a "Clean" election, and the person elected, who supposedly cheated, with much "so called factual evidence".

Where are the protests on the street, strikes asf against the results...

What a load of sycophants you are...

Would suggest that you clean up your own backyards BEFORE you tell any other country about theirs...

Its pathetic..  :coffeeread:

Yes, agreed.

https://m.theepochtimes.com/phill-kline-2020-election-one-of-the-most-lawless-in-us-history_3597223.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-29-1
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 29, 2020, 10:15:21 AM
Ever heard of the Great Reset?

https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/

Whether "Great Reset" is bad or not, will mostly depend on its goal.

As we all witness, fiat currency system is coming to an end!  We need a reform.

Its robbery nature is deep inside itself at the time when it was created by the Mongolian emperor Kublai Khan.

He drew a cloth signed with his name and then exchanged it with a foreign merchant's wealth.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 29, 2020, 10:23:29 AM
Genuine question guys, do you honestly believe that Trump still has a reasonable chance of winning?

Absolutely. Trump has 3 roads to the White House now and each road is very doable. Currently the media is quiet, keeping everybody stupid so they'll be shocking mad when the media finally educates them that Trump 'stole' the election

1) 3 State Legislatures agreed to hearings and Pennsylvania's has been completed. They see the fraud and they indicated they will be sending their 20 Trump electors to the electoral college. Arizona's legislature will meet Dec 30 and Michigan's Nov 2. More states may do the same. The government bodies would not meet and waste everybody's time simply because Trump is complaining. They have seen the evidence of fraud before they made the decision to hold a special emergency hearing.

2) Courts. Trump is on his way to the Supreme Court. Ignore the lower court rulings. Those judges aren't qualified to handle an issue of this magnitude so they quickly pass the buck. If you seen the hundreds of pages of evidence, no way those lower court judges read it all to make their rulings as quick as they did.

3) DoD(Department of Defense). Because the theft of the American election happened overseas that included other nations in cahoots with the Democrats, they have jurisdiction. Trump has certain powers and he can direct them to take control should the Courts be in bed with the criminals or make the wrong decision. It's going to take time to extract and process all what is in those servers but I hope it's done in time and shown to the judges which will be done in secret court hearings. Some witnesses will get witness protection. Retired General McInerney said the evidence is so compelling they should rule 9-0 in favor of Trump.

As far as courts go, Trump's current strategy is to prove some States elections were Unconstitutional, not fraud. Although much of his evidence shows fraud, he's not arguing it. Possible strategy to get his cases dismissed quickly to move to the Supreme Court. A President is going to get inaugurated Jan 20 so Trump has little time and he needs to get to the Supreme Court since the opposition can't waste more time appealing a decision past the Supreme Court. Trump's attorneys are considering filing more lawsuits as they see fit. Ignore the fake news that says Trump lost dozens of cases already. Most of those were filed by other people or organizations. Trump has probably filed a half dozen lawsuits against the swing states.

Netanyahu knows intelligence. Israel is good at collecting intel. When asked what he knows, his answer is in the link below.

http://twitter.com/BeholdIsrael/status/1328707796632793089


Ever heard of the Great Reset?

https://www.weforum.org/great-reset/

Whether "Great Reset" is bad or not, will mostly depend on its goal.

As we all witness, fiat currency system is coming to an end!  We need a reform.

Its robbery nature is deep inside itself at the time when it was created by the Mongolian emperor Kublai Khan.

He drew a cloth signed with his name and then exchanged it with a foreign merchant's wealth.


The Great Reset won't happen if Trump is the American President. He's not into BS.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 29, 2020, 12:10:59 PM

The good guys are winning the battle and have rounded up many traitors and probably still looking for them. Trump castrated the CIA removing a lot of their powers and CIA director Gina Haspel is probably in witness protection if she agreed to talk. If anybody seen her in public recently giving interviews or just walking about, please share a link here. She was last reported to have attended a secret meeting with Senate Majority leader Mitch McConnell Nov 10. The media noticed she was not invited to Trump's intel meeting Nov 13


http://www.mediaite.com/news/cnn-cia-director-haspel-iced-out-of-intel-meeting-with-trump-amid-speculation-she-could-be-fired/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 29, 2020, 02:06:20 PM
Billy,
Any news update about a hot battle between USA special force army vs USA CIA traitors in Frankfurt Germany on 8th November?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 29, 2020, 04:44:03 PM

I always wondered why Facebook's fact checking was plain stupid. Just found out far left organization Politifact is a fact checker at Facebook and had to uncensore Candice Owens post since she was going to go after them with lawyers. Politifact admitted they were wrong.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/candace-owens-challenges-fact-checker-and-wins

Judge orders freeze of all Dominion voting machines in Georgia.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-update-judge-timothy-batten-issues-order-freeze-dominion-machines-georgia/?ff_source=Twitter&ff_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

Sidney Powell says the Kraken will come to Virginia soon. Besides Trump, many Republican candidates had votes stolen from them. At least 29 States had their voting machines manipulation. If this is not big enough for SCOTUS Chief Justice Roberts to take up the case, he should be impeached.

https://nationalfile.com/krakenonsteroids-sidney-powell-claims-massive-voter-fraud-in-virginia-warns-see-you-soon/


Billy,
Any news update about a hot battle between USA special force army vs USA CIA traitors in Frankfurt Germany on 8th November?

I doubt we'll get any more info from Trump. They don't want to tip off too many people that they are being hunted. Trump's attorneys said enough about the servers being seized. The details in covert operations rarely get revealed but it's safe to assume the CIA had orders to protect the servers at all costs and the US military had orders to get the servers at all costs so something had to give. Since the US military won, there must be prisoners and they will extract confessions and info from those prisoners that may lead to the apprehension of more traitors involved in this massive scheme to rig American elections.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 29, 2020, 04:50:22 PM
Billy,
Any news update about a hot battle between USA special force army vs USA CIA traitors in Frankfurt Germany on 8th November?

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-11-27-situation-update-nov-27th-dod-vs-cia-covert-war.html#
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 29, 2020, 05:09:11 PM

Powell registered as a Military Lawyer

American Friends,
What does it imply in USA's system?


I want to come back to this. Sidney Power probably has close ties to the 305th military intelligence and she probably has top secret clearance to receive classified information.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 29, 2020, 05:54:14 PM
Still a coup in progress against President Trump...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/michael-flynn-says-coup-against-trump-still-progress-first-public-remarks-pardon
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 29, 2020, 06:16:17 PM
Watermarked ballots.

https://phibetaiota.net/2020/11/ed-jewett-jim-stone-700000-pa-ballots-without-a-watermark/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 29, 2020, 08:15:02 PM

I found out General McIrneney did work with the 305th military intelligence and probably why he still has connections there. Sidney Powell is a registered military lawyer. Probably explains why she has connections to the 305th and a high enough security clearance to talk to them and see their evidence. Trump's attorneys probably don't have that kind of security clearance which explains why they had to go separate ways and Trump's attorneys can't use the same evidence Sidney possesses. A lot of Sidney's witnesses and evidence won't be for public consumption but for the courts, but she said she may be able to reveal more in a week.

One reason Sidney filed her first lawsuit in Georgia is because there's an early January Senate runoff race. She needs to prevent those voting machines from being used again if the Democrats or outside sources are bold enough to manipulate the machines again.

Now I'm hearing besides the 5 US special forces soldiers and one CIA officer dying, most of the CIA para militants in the gun battle are dead. They were brought in from Afghanistan and told to defend the server farm with their lives. They were just following orders and probably weren't involved in election rigging. They were simply used by the Democrats to protect their operation.

Not too long ago Trump recently ordered that hangings and death by firing squad be legal to use in executions. Coincidence? Sidney Powell said people who rigged the elections are traitors. More witnesses are showing up, some Democrats. They may be willing to testify in exchange for immunity. Some were just hired to fill out ballots for Biden and don't want to be labeled and convicted as traitors. They did not know the operation was so big that it included China and Iran. Trump can't trust the DOJ to prosecute but because this is in the DoD's jurisdiction now, they can take action and label the guilty as traitors.

Some of the traitors who are rounded up will be ratting out those responsible in exchange for lesser sentences or immunity. The information gathering and interrogations are still ongoing. I have a feeling some people may flee the country and some people may end up with a bullet in their head.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 29, 2020, 10:32:14 PM

I found out General McIrneney did work with the 305th military intelligence and probably why he still has connections there. Sidney Powell is a registered military lawyer. Probably explains why she has connections to the 305th and a high enough security clearance to talk to them and see their evidence. Trump's attorneys probably don't have that kind of security clearance which explains why they had to go separate ways and Trump's attorneys can't use the same evidence Sidney possesses. A lot of Sidney's witnesses and evidence won't be for public consumption but for the courts, but she said she may be able to reveal more in a week.

One reason Sidney filed her first lawsuit in Georgia is because there's an early January Senate runoff race. She needs to prevent those voting machines from being used again if the Democrats or outside sources are bold enough to manipulate the machines again.

Now I'm hearing besides the 5 US special forces soldiers and one CIA officer dying, most of the CIA para militants in the gun battle are dead. They were brought in from Afghanistan and told to defend the server farm with their lives. They were just following orders and probably weren't involved in election rigging. They were simply used by the Democrats to protect their operation.

Not too long ago Trump recently ordered that hangings and death by firing squad be legal to use in executions. Coincidence? Sidney Powell said people who rigged the elections are traitors. More witnesses are showing up, some Democrats. They may be willing to testify in exchange for immunity. Some were just hired to fill out ballots for Biden and don't want to be labeled and convicted as traitors. They did not know the operation was so big that it included China and Iran. Trump can't trust the DOJ to prosecute but because this is in the DoD's jurisdiction now, they can take action and label the guilty as traitors.

Some of the traitors who are rounded up will be ratting out those responsible in exchange for lesser sentences or immunity. The information gathering and interrogations are still ongoing. I have a feeling some people may flee the country and some people may end up with a bullet in their head.

https://www.monkeywerxus.com/blog/increased-flight-activity
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 30, 2020, 01:29:30 AM
Guy in the link below follows flights. I mentioned his background earlier. He said there's a record number of military flights going on right now. DOJ aircraft has been going to Toronto Canada where Dominion headquarters are located. Some of their staff is missing. I've also heard the servers in Toronto were seized.

https://www.monkeywerxus.com/blog/increased-flight-activity

In this link he said to be prepared by mass unrest from the liberals in an attempt to storm the White House and destroy the suburbs. He communicates with people in the loop. He said there will be arrests and the first arrest will surprise us. I think he means Obama. I've read some far out stuff but the chatter is Obama may flee the country since he started the election rigging for himself and the Democrats.

https://www.monkeywerxus.com/blog/oghs7u84fmhsgsp7lazh3dl7tkir76


2019 article I wouldn't have believed if I read it last year but it makes sense this year. It talks about the super secret computer called the HAMMER that America uses to spy on other nations but Obama, Clapper, and Brennan took it from the military and gave it to the CIA to illegally spy on Americans. They of course spied on Trump and tried to bring Trump down. They have even collected data on Supreme Court Justices and will use anything they find as leverage. One Justice is Conservative Chief Justice Roberts who seems to vote with the liberals half the time. Maybe they got something on him. Obama spied on political enemies and put them in jail. Two being General Flynn and Dinesh de Souza who made movies trying to expose Obama's and Hillary's corruption. Obama went after Snowden and Assange hard but surprisingly this year, Democrat Tulsi Gabbert asked Trump to pardon them.

https://theamericanreport.org/2019/09/27/the-real-whistleblower-story-dennis-montgomery-the-hammer-the-hard-drives-the-wiretapping-of-trump-and-the-prosecution-of-general-flynn/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 30, 2020, 10:03:21 AM
Guy in the link below follows flights. I mentioned his background earlier. He said there's a record number of military flights going on right now. DOJ aircraft has been going to Toronto Canada where Dominion headquarters are located. Some of their staff is missing. I've also heard the servers in Toronto were seized.

https://www.monkeywerxus.com/blog/increased-flight-activity

In this link he said to be prepared by mass unrest from the liberals in an attempt to storm the White House and destroy the suburbs. He communicates with people in the loop. He said there will be arrests and the first arrest will surprise us. I think he means Obama. I've read some far out stuff but the chatter is Obama may flee the country since he started the election rigging for himself and the Democrats.

https://www.monkeywerxus.com/blog/oghs7u84fmhsgsp7lazh3dl7tkir76

My American Friends,
I have told you in earlier posts!
Once Plan "A" Presidential Election Fraud has failed, Chi-merica's Plan B is:
Antifa and BLM riots!

And after riots fail, they will execute Plan C - to assassinate your elected President Trump!!!

I also heard from a respected public Hongkong activist, the total amount of money spent on 2020 USA Presidential Election Fraud is estimated to be US$4 billion!  It includes those money spent by China Commie directly plus those spent by American traitor capitalists!  However, my family members say it should be much more than this amount!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 30, 2020, 10:11:13 AM
Billy,
Any news update about a hot battle between USA special force army vs USA CIA traitors in Frankfurt Germany on 8th November?

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-11-27-situation-update-nov-27th-dod-vs-cia-covert-war.html#

WTF!!!
Even to a very well prepared mind like me (I understand Evil China Commie very well), it is such a BIG SHOCK!!!  It is a small scaled civil war!!!

The 5 sacrificed USA soldiers have saved our Freedom!!!

This whole conflict sounds exactly like a Hollywood movie but this time, it DID happen in real world!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on November 30, 2020, 10:32:39 AM

How could they steal in that scenario?

What, you think Nancy Pelosi is gonna go "Oh, yeah.  Here you go.  No problemo" and just give up?

No that's not what I meant. I just don't see how she can cheat if every state gets a representative who votes for that state.

Republicans win in that scenario.

In that situation, they will try to pull some bullshit.  Mark my words.

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 30, 2020, 12:32:20 PM

Some people have asked where's AG Barr and the DOJ. Flight data shows they may be busy and not advertising to the media they are busy. Flight data shows a DOJ plane flew to Toronto Canada and stayed there for 4 days Nov 15-18. I remember reading servers were seized in Toronto besides those seized in Germany and Spain. Dominion's headquarters are in Toronto.

http://noqreport.com/2020/11/28/dominion-investigation-a-doj-plane-went-to-toronto-dominion-hq-then-to-atlanta/

That very same plane flew from D.C to Atlanta this weekend, stayed a few hours and then flew back to D.C. It is believed they picked up some hard drives. Regardless of the Georgia judge reversing his ruling that the election officials can reset the servers, the DOJ may have already collected everything they need.

http://noqreport.com/2020/11/29/manipulation-of-voting-machines-blocked-then-unblocked-but-the-fbi-may-already-have-the-evidence/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on November 30, 2020, 01:02:31 PM
I am interested to see how this turns out. It seems to be a whole heap of Nohopium is being mainlined here.

While I believe that the elections were fraudulent in many respects I find it rather hard to believe in the idea that the U.S. Army and the CIA had a pitched gun battle in Germany.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 30, 2020, 01:12:43 PM
I find it rather hard to believe in the idea that the U.S. Army and the CIA had a pitched gun battle in Germany.


I wouldn't have believe it myself but the fact Trump's attorneys, independent powerhouse attorney Lin Wood, military intelligence attorney Sidney Powell, retired generals and lower level officers with intelligence backgrounds all went on public record to say our forces seized servers in Germany led me to believe it's true. They didn't give the details of the covert operation but it's safe to assume those heavily guarded servers weren't handed over without a fight and some people paid a price with their life.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 30, 2020, 01:39:32 PM

Sidney Powell said her evidence is overwhelming and if Chief Justice for the Supreme Court John Roberts doesn't take up the case, he should be impeached. Many Republicans are hoping the court cases pertaining to the election make it to the Supreme Court.

Conspiracy theorists say Chief Justice Roberts is compromised and controlled by the deep state. He went from being a conservative judge to voting with the left on many decisions.

We know Jeffrey Epstein ferried the world's elite to his island with his plane "Lolita Express". Epstein knew too much. He may have committed suicide or he may have been assassinated. In the link below is a flight log of the Lolita Express. The name John Roberts is listed as a passenger. Does anybody know if this was our Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts?

http://www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/comments/hr562d/epstein_flight_log_with_the_name_of_supreme_court/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: NS1 on November 30, 2020, 02:35:54 PM
The scary thing about this is, the divide in the country.
Regardless of how this shakes out, it is going to take a long time
for the average folks to come together.

USA suffers no matter the outcome, strength comes in unity.
Weakness is pushed with a bigger divide.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on November 30, 2020, 03:17:38 PM
The scary thing about this is, the divide in the country.
Regardless of how this shakes out, it is going to take a long time
for the average folks to come together.

USA suffers no matter the outcome, strength comes in unity.
Weakness is pushed with a bigger divide.

There is allot of truth in the above as well as the above divide seems impossible to heal. Confederate noted the assassination of J. F. Kennedy as the staring point, I tend to think it was Wade V Roe (10 years latter) that marks the start of this trend.

In my perspective some are deluding them selves regarding the election and it is painful to read.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 30, 2020, 04:14:18 PM


Here's a CNN article written a few months before the election. They praise Chief Supreme Court John Roberts for the work he's done siding with the liberals on the court. They interestingly mention Roberts has a history of falling and and getting hurt. They said the last fall, he injured his head so bad it sent him to the hospital. Roberts did not report his injury to the public until over two weeks later and only after the media prodded him for answers. I don't know why CNN wrote that in the article. Maybe somebody wanted to refresh his memory.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/27/politics/john-roberts-supreme-court-liberals-daca-second-amendment/index.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on November 30, 2020, 04:15:40 PM
And the Germans say nothing?
The Democrats say nothing?
No stakeholder says a word?

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 30, 2020, 04:23:44 PM
And the Germans say nothing?
The Democrats say nothing?
No stakeholder says a word?

Very rarely the details of covert operations get publicly revealed. If you do a google search, you will find 5 US soldiers died in a helicopter crash in Egypt and a CIA officer died in Somalia a few weeks ago. Who knows if that is where they died.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on November 30, 2020, 06:07:57 PM
Genuine question guys, do you honestly believe that Trump still has a reasonable chance of winning?

100% The DoD patriots insure this.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on November 30, 2020, 06:23:07 PM
https://patriotdailypress.com/2020/09/06/trumps-secret-weapon-revealed-fourteenth-amendment-allows-the-president-to-strip-electoral-college-votes-from-states-supporting-censorship-against-voters-enables-mass-arrests-of-mayors-govern/

I strongly believe that the 14th Amendment Anti-Insurrection act is in full force and effect.  Curious the above site and link are down... Enemies DDOS attack suspected.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on November 30, 2020, 06:27:41 PM
...if Chief Justice for the Supreme Court John Roberts doesn't take up the case, he should be impeached.

CJ Roberts will not be impeached or convicted because the Dems have numbers in the House.

The good news is, it only takes 4 justices to grant a petition for certiorari.  Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett.  Pick 4 of those 5, and Roberts can fcuk off to Jupiter.

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 30, 2020, 07:39:55 PM
...if Chief Justice for the Supreme Court John Roberts doesn't take up the case, he should be impeached.

CJ Roberts will not be impeached or convicted because the Dems have numbers in the House.

The good news is, it only takes 4 justices to grant a petition for certiorari.  Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett.  Pick 4 of those 5, and Roberts can fcuk off to Jupiter.

B/B

That is good to know. I hope team Trump, Lin Wood, and Sidney Powell's lawsuits all make it to the Supreme Court at the same time. Sidney Powell represents the Kraken, 305th military intelligence battalion. Apparently people in that unit are fed up watching the bad guys in our government get away with crimes. Powell said she's only released a handful of her total evidence. She said she may be able to release more in a week to give the public a more clear picture of what is going on. In courts, I suspect much of her evidence and witness testimony be done in secret. She said with all that she knows, it would be a federal crime for her not to report it. After this, she said she going after States that knowingly certify fraudulent results. She is on a mission to clean this place up.

Although these patriots are working hard to clean up the swamp so we need an armed revolution to do it paying for it in blood, we can still do out part by helping in this fight paying them for their time and the hard working teams behind them. Trump, Sidney Powell, and Lin Wood's defense funds below. We can talk we don't like what's going on all we want or we can put some money where our mouths are and do our part to prevent Biden from taking our country to hell.

https://defendingtherepublic.org

https://secure.winred.com/djt/election-defense-fund-v2

https://fightback.law/donate/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on November 30, 2020, 08:11:19 PM
...if Chief Justice for the Supreme Court John Roberts doesn't take up the case, he should be impeached.

CJ Roberts will not be impeached or convicted because the Dems have numbers in the House.

The good news is, it only takes 4 justices to grant a petition for certiorari.  Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett.  Pick 4 of those 5, and Roberts can fcuk off to Jupiter.

B/B

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 30, 2020, 08:48:06 PM

Although these patriots are working hard to clean up the swamp so we DON'T need an armed revolution to do it paying for it in blood, we can still do out part by helping in this fight paying them for their time and the hard working teams behind them.


Had to add a word in there.

Conclusion to the Arizona hearing is that they will move forward to take control of their electors and send the appropriate ones to the electoral college. They are going to recommend the attorney general to summon a grand jury and go after the election fraudsters. Michigan legislature's hearing is Nov 2. Trump wins if he can flip these states with Pennsylvania.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on November 30, 2020, 10:35:32 PM
Holy Moly that Gina Haspel bird must have sang like a Canary at GITMO...

https://www.distributednews.com/478643.html

By some accounts, Joe Biden is preparing to concede the election and is reaching out to Trump to negotiate a pardon for all the crimes committed by himself and his family members. This claim, attributed to a "very reliable source," was broadcast by Lude Media (Gnews.org), the same group that first spilled the truth about Hunter Biden's laptop and all the outrageous content it contained. Such a deal would, of course, protect the Bidens but essentially serve as a selling out of Obama, Brennan and other deep state players who don't want to be prosecuted for treason and are very capable of, say, breaking someone's ankles to get them to comply. The official story on Biden's recent injury is that Joe Biden fractured his ankle "walking his dog," but no one believes that except for the clueless. This claim about Biden seeking a concession deal, which is not yet confirmed from other sources, is covered in today's Situation Update podcast that I've posted below. Here's the video from GTV (Guo / Lude Media) where this unconfirmed claim is being made:

Also covered in today's Situation Update (Nov. 30th)
Lin Wood's homework assignment for patriots.
The 57th NSAM - National Security Action Memorandum.
Georgia voting machines emergency order.
The transition of legal focus into criminal election fraud, not just civil arguments.
The three theaters of war: Constitutional (civil), Extraconstitutional (national security) and We the People (break glass in an emergency).
The FBI's effort to shut down all real investigations into vote fraud.
How patriots are fighting in the three layers of modern warfare: Information warfare, Psychological warfare, Cyber warfare.
How to take control over your own mental state and avoid being sucked into despair by the lying media.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 01, 2020, 12:14:36 AM
Holy Moly that Gina Haspel bird must have sang like a Canary at GITMO...

https://www.distributednews.com/478643.html


People should watch that video and listen to the Chinese guy.  He claims Biden wants a pardon for himself due to rigging the election and corrupt international business dealings and he also wants pardons for his whole family and in exchange, he'll concede.

He put out a video months ago. He said the Chinese gave Nancy Pelosi 3 hard drives. They ordered her to make sure Joe Biden is their Democratic nominee for President and make sure he wins the Presidency. They were going to use what's in those hard drives to control Biden. He describes one of the hard drives show Hunter doing drugs, into prostitutes and pedophilia. He said Hunter is extremely perverted and treated Chinese women less than human. Other hard drives show Biden family business dealings with Communist China. Months after he said that in a video, Giuliani releases what's on Hunter's laptop. After that happens, the CEO of the Biden and China State controlled business merger comes out to say Joe Biden was in on the business. This Chinese guy is not Nostradamus but his intelligence source is solid. Since he was right about the hard drives, I also believe him when he says China gave Pelosi all the dirt on Biden with the order to get him elected.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 02, 2020, 06:57:27 AM
Brannon House of WVWtv.com has published another bombshell interview with retired 3-star General Thomas McInerney, who is openly calling on President Trump to recognize severity of the cyber war assault on America by invoking the Insurrection Act, suspending Habeas Corpus (as Lincoln did) and initiate mass arrests under military authority.

The original, full interview is found at this link from WVWtv.com. We have posted a six-minute summary of the video highlights below, via Brighteon.com.

This call by Gen. McInerney, a highly-accomplished military veteran and loyal patriot, appears to be stemming from a realization that much of the existing government has gone rogue and is now colluding with enemies of the nation. State governors have gone rogue, court judges have gone rogue and state election officials have willfully engaged in coordinated, treasonous election rigging in order to achieve the overthrow of the executive leader, President Trump.

When government officials go rogue, and courts cannot be trusted, military authority can be invoked by the President, complete with mass arrests of treasonous actors, military tribunals that bypass the civilian court system, and the military seizure of all corporations that are actively working to undermine the United States of America. This would obviously include Big Tech and most of the left-wing media that has been complicit in election rigging and acts of journo-terrorism designed to plunge this nation into despair.

Highlights from this Howse / McInerney video
Here are my own highlights from this critical interview, and you can watch the six-minute highlight video below, or view the full interview at WVWtv.com.

All items in quotation marks are direct quotes from McInerney, during the interview.

What took place in America was not merely “vote fraud” but rather “cyber warfare.” These were acts of war against America, using cyber warfare weapons and techniques to overthrow the government via a rigged elections process.
McInerney calls for President Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act, suspend Habeas Corpus, declare martial law and deploy the military to seize and secure all the voting machines.
Six to ten states were coordinated via cyber warfare to change the outcome of the election. “These are treasonous acts.” Russia, China and Iran were also involved, adding to the treason.
FBI and DOJ are completely AWOL on all this, not lifting a finger.
Chris Krebs from CISA was lying when he claimed the election was “perfect.” This is “complicity to treason” and Krebs is part of the deep state.
President Trump must declare a national emergency based on the EO from Sep 12, 2018, which names “foreign interference” in US elections.
Trump should also invoke the Insurrection Act. He must suspend Habeas Corpus as Lincoln and FDR have both done in times of war.
The Democrats, Russians, Chinese and Iran, have committed blatant cyber warfare against America.
The President must “start arresting these people right away, [under] this national emergency. I would declare martial law.”
Officials from five swing states were engaged in “pre-planning” of “treasonous acts.” Not just fraudulent voting, but treason. “They have tried to overturn this government.”
Chris Miller is in place at the DoD because “the military active duty is going to have to suppress [Antifa and BLM].”
The President should suspend the Dec. 14th Electoral College meeting, and the inauguration of the new Congress on Jan. 6th.
Estimates that 85 million people voted for Trump.
Military tribunals are necessary because the regular courts are not capable of sorting this out.
The treasonous actors should be arrested and charged, subjected to military tribunals. This is the only system of justice that is capable of functioning without the current level of corruption.
Suspend the inauguration until this election is fully investigated.
We the People demand this action from the President.
“This is the last free election we will have” if we don’t expose this election fraud. And Georgia’s runoff election will be stolen using HAMMER, Scorecard and Dominion voting machines.
The Georgia runoff election needs to be suspended until the election fraud is fully investigated.
“This corruption cannot be accepted. It is treasonous, and we must have a thorough investigation of it.”
The President must support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. These are domestic enemies. “Like Stalin says, it doesn’t matter who votes, it matters who counts the votes.”
America’s judicial system people don’t understand how cyber warfare works. So they are missing a real grasp of the crimes and acts of war being committed against the United States.
“The ownership and leadership of Fox News is complicit in a treasonous act.”
U.S. Marshals should have seized all the Dominion servers the day after the election and secured them as forensic evidence.
People who changed votes in the machines should know that they will be prosecuted for treason and may face the death sentence.
The government is tracking the conversions of ballots to votes. “That’s where the manipulation is coming in. We’re tracking that. We have that information.”
Here’s the six-minute overview video. Feel free to post this elsewhere:

Brighteon.com/7497ff5e-44b3-44d4-9363-c9fcbea100ba
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on December 02, 2020, 07:29:16 AM
Cufflinks, it is clear that something has gone badly wrong with the electoral process in the USA. Thanks for sharing this information.

To be honest I think that much of what is being claimed about gun battles in Germany is no more than wish fulfilment fantasy by people whose knowledge of the world lags behind their desires. People who have been misled by story tellers and rabble rousers.

It is good to see that there are 'real people' who seem to be genuine voicing their concerns. Perhaps something can come of that activity.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 02, 2020, 09:03:51 AM
American Friends,
I heard from Chinese sources that ex-president Obama and CIA head have been arrested by Trump Team for the sake of Treason.

Please clarify.


Also, here is Linwood's posts for your reference:
https://twitter.com/LLinWood
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 02, 2020, 09:08:03 AM
Brannon House of WVWtv.com has published another bombshell interview with retired 3-star General Thomas McInerney, who is openly calling on President Trump to recognize severity of the cyber war assault on America by invoking the Insurrection Act, suspending Habeas Corpus (as Lincoln did) and initiate mass arrests under military authority.

American Friends,
These are simply what I suggested at the moment when I saw violation against Law & Order during ballot counting.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 02, 2020, 09:23:39 AM
The worst cases are:
Please prepare for these 2 worst cases!  I am not joking!

USSR and China Commies bought many topmost ranking officers and army generals in Republic of China!  It is part of their so called Revolution!

That is the reason why I suggest President Trump to use Military at once at the moment when I saw large scale of violation against Law & Order during ballot counting!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on December 02, 2020, 09:37:21 AM
American Friends,
I heard from Chinese sources that ex-president Obama and CIA head have been arrested by Trump Team for the sake of Treason.

Please clarify.


Also, here is Linwood's posts for your reference:
https://twitter.com/LLinWood

I wish we knew. In a perfect world that would be the case. There is some chatter on various websites, some dubious, some not that this is the case. There is also some speculation on the CIA chief Gina Hasper. Nothing that can be confirmed.

As we have witnessed since the late 90's our free press and news has systematically degraded and to the point it is now, completely transformed into propaganda. Either President Trump has initiated the insurrection act and arrested suspected traitors for treason or he hasn't. We just do not know.

If he has initiated the insurrection act we likely wouldn't know until at which time they chose to make it public. The MSM will present nothing but the propaganda of the narrative. Big Tech follows that suit. We are seriously in a unbiased news desert. Nobody really knows anything and those that do are not telling
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Guile on December 02, 2020, 12:44:38 PM
American Friends,
I heard from Chinese sources that ex-president Obama and CIA head have been arrested by Trump Team for the sake of Treason.

Please clarify.


Loyalman don't believe the fake news. are you so gullible? Beijing has you HK'ers spinning.   Sik di dim sum ah lei lo mei sui mai lung tou.

https://ca.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN28A2TU

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 02, 2020, 01:54:24 PM
Good News:

Trump was winning by historic margins so OBCBs (Obama Biden Clinton Bush). CoL/CFR deep state went so far beyond the pale that this gave.CiC Trump full rights to phase in the 14A and Insurrection acts plus NDAA.

Bad News

Success is Secrecy and Secrecy is Success... Trump must keep his plans as dark and impenetrable as night and when he moves... Move like lightning...

We simply do not have enough active and reserve SpecOps to round up, interrogate with harsh rendition 1 Million CCP/DNC traitors, try and execute them via Mil Tribunals and then take over MSM SocM and big tech.

They are so busy I volunteered to command firing squads but have not heard back yet.

At this point Rudy, Ellis, Lin and Sydney are nice to have PR for SCOTUS approvals... But the DNC/CCP Sock Puppets were warned a couple months ago when 200+ retired flag officer Patriots endorsed CiC POTUS Trump over the CCP owned Beijing Biden crime family.  The nice thing is these commie rats have all tattooed targets on their foreheads and Patriot Militias are armed up, ammoed up and ready to lock and load to get our active and reserve lads backs as well as support our LEOs so for any UN invaders... Pucker up buttercups we have over 400 Million precision hunting rifles and sidearms and just waiting for POTUS orders... The 20 Million Combat Veteran Standing Ready Reserve, Active and Reserves and 1 Million LEOs are not sitting around with our thumbs up our arses. 

POTUS gives the word and it is rock and roll time for the BLMAs while DoD SpecOps rounds up and renditions the top 100K DNC-CCP traitors.

The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed with the blood of both Patriots and traitors from time to time... Thomas Jefferson OG Patriot.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on December 02, 2020, 02:04:39 PM
They are so busy I volunteered to command firing squads but have not heard back yet.

 :whist11:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 02, 2020, 02:11:18 PM
Cufflinks, it is clear that something has gone badly wrong with the electoral process in the USA. Thanks for sharing this information.

To be honest I think that much of what is being claimed about gun battles in Germany is no more than wish fulfilment fantasy by people whose knowledge of the world lags behind their desires. People who have been misled by story tellers and rabble rousers.


Lol. You like what General McIreney said. He's a guy who formally worked in military intelligence and knows guys on the inside that said that there was a gun battle between US forces and the CIA over this server. You can't have it both ways. You trust the general or do you think he's living in fantasy land?

Good news is a Judge in PA ruled their vote was unconsitutional and the Legislature per Constitution rules gets to send forth the appropriate electors. Victory for Trump.

https://welovetrump.com/2020/12/02/pennsylvania-judge-mccullough-rules-vote-unconstitutional-grants-state-legislature-power-to-choose-electors/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 02, 2020, 02:35:30 PM
American Friends,
I heard from Chinese sources that ex-president Obama and CIA head have been arrested by Trump Team for the sake of Treason.


It is said Gina Haspel, who is the Director of the CIA, was in Frankfurt and got injured in the gun battle which happened a few days after the Nov 3rd election. Our media reported she had a meeting with Senate Majority leader Nov 10th and the media predicted she was going to get fired. A few people in Trump's cabinet got fired but not Gina. Till this day, she has not been fired. Nov 13 the media reported she was not invited to Trump's intelligence meeting. She is a public figure and is supposed to be seen in public but after the Nov 13 article, there's no mention she's been seen in public for these last 3 weeks now. It is believed she's in a witness protection program because she revealed who the major players are in this election steal.

I doubt Obama is arrested. Unless he was in Frankfurt during the raid, it must be proved he was in on the steal. That has to be proved in court and it's going to take time. If Biden becomes president, he won't investigate, everybody goes free and election stealing will continue.

Former Colonel and still working in the defense industry as a civilian, Tom Graham is followed by powerhouse military attorney Sidney Powell and General Flynn on twitter. I believe he's a good source for insider info. He said Trump castrated the CIA by removing Special Ops powers from them. This is a sign there is a covert war going on behind the scenes because Trump has removed much of the CIA's power in this battle to find all black hat CIA agents.

https://twitter.com/tom2badcat/status/1331092835072925698
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 02, 2020, 02:44:07 PM

When Netanyahu was asked who won the US elections, he said it's not for him to say but we all know what is going to happen.  I think German intelligence knew right away American election data was sent into their country and back to America after being manipulated. German Defense Minister said this Nov 4th, the day after the election.

“This is a very explosive situation. This is a situation that can lead to a constitutional crisis in the U.S., as experts are rightly saying. And it is something that must cause us great concern,”

http://nationalpost.com/pmn/elections-pmn/german-minister-worried-about-u-s-constitutional-crisis-after-vote
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 02, 2020, 03:25:34 PM

In a previous post I mentioned Gen McIrneny said Obama rigged the 2012 election and the 2016 election was rigged but something failed so Trump was able to get in.

GA Sec of State Kemp, who is now governor, wrote to Obama's Department of Homeland's security and asked them explain why they were attempting to breach his office's firewall before and after the election in 2016.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/12/wth-georgias-secretary-state-obamas-dhs-attempted

http://www.judicialwatch.org/documents/dhs-records-on-georgia-election-systems-2020-foia/

We know that Kemp purchased Dominion voting machines right before the 2020 primaries so it made the election steal easier. I don't think he was involved in the steal but he was corrupted by the money.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 02, 2020, 05:19:12 PM
They are so busy I volunteered to command firing squads but have not heard back yet.

 :whist11:

Interesting that 5 CCP Companies now own Dominion... proof of CCP foreign enemies interfered with our elections...  Cyber War in Full Force and Effect with DoD fully engaged...  With all those ChiComm and NoKor visas/stamps in your passport may be an issue next time you come to the USA.

I had to save the original image into 4 manageable sized images to upload...

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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 02, 2020, 05:19:49 PM
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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 02, 2020, 05:20:30 PM
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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 02, 2020, 09:59:13 PM

Sctyl, a company in Spain was bought by a company in the UK.

Also  Smartmatic’s CEO Antonio Mugica and British Lord Mark Malloch-Brown announced the launching of the SGO Corporation Limited

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartmatic#SGO_Corporation

SGO, Smartmatic, and Dominion share an office together in Barbados.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on December 03, 2020, 03:40:44 AM
This is beginning to sound like the snowflakes complaining about Hilary was not president four years ago.

MAN UP ~ Biden is going to be President, my only fear is will he last the term. K. Harris is a scary person.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on December 03, 2020, 06:54:19 AM
This is beginning to sound like the snowflakes complaining about Hilary was not president four years ago.

MAN UP ~ Biden is going to be President, my only fear is will he last the term. K. Harris is a scary person.


To quote the late great Yogi Berra, "It ain't over till it's over"
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on December 03, 2020, 07:00:17 AM
This is beginning to sound like the snowflakes complaining about Hilary was not president four years ago.

MAN UP ~ Biden is going to be President, my only fear is will he last the term. K. Harris is a scary person.


To quote the late great Yogi Berra, "It ain't over till it's over"

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 03, 2020, 07:07:41 AM
This is beginning to sound like the snowflakes complaining about Hilary was not president four years ago.

MAN UP ~ Biden is going to be President, my only fear is will he last the term. K. Harris is a scary person.


It sounds like your media is saying Trump doesn't have a chance. He's doing well through this process. Bush lost every court case against Gore until he won the last case in the Supreme Court. That is the way it's supposed to work here. Lower court judges don't want to deal with an issue bigger than them. State legislatures may not even give their electors to Biden but your media may not be telling you that. I'm betting Trump to win.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on December 03, 2020, 08:01:13 AM
This is beginning to sound like the snowflakes complaining about Hilary was not president four years ago.

MAN UP ~ Biden is going to be President, my only fear is will he last the term. K. Harris is a scary person.


It sounds like your media is saying Trump doesn't have a chance. He's doing well through this process. Bush lost every court case against Gore until he won the last case in the Supreme Court. That is the way it's supposed to work here. Lower court judges don't want to deal with an issue bigger than them. State legislatures may not even give their electors to Biden but your media may not be telling you that. I'm betting Trump to win.

For myself I listen and read a broad spectrum of media.

The comparison to G. H. W. Bush is not realistic. I also suspect because the way the conservative Supreme Court is presently they will not support an overturn of electoral votes, based on the evidence so far presented.

So far there is nothing concrete to support the fraud presented by D. Trump.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 03, 2020, 08:19:46 AM
This is beginning to sound like the snowflakes complaining about Hilary was not president four years ago.

MAN UP ~ Biden is going to be President, my only fear is will he last the term. K. Harris is a scary person.


Inauguration committee chairman refuses to call Biden "president-elect"
December 1, 2020
https://todaysoon.com/inauguration-committee-chairman-refuses-to-call-biden-president-elect/

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on December 03, 2020, 08:22:45 AM
This is beginning to sound like the snowflakes complaining about Hilary was not president four years ago.

MAN UP ~ Biden is going to be President, my only fear is will he last the term. K. Harris is a scary person.


It sounds like your media is saying Trump doesn't have a chance. He's doing well through this process. Bush lost every court case against Gore until he won the last case in the Supreme Court. That is the way it's supposed to work here. Lower court judges don't want to deal with an issue bigger than them. State legislatures may not even give their electors to Biden but your media may not be telling you that. I'm betting Trump to win.

For myself I listen and read a broad spectrum of media.

The comparison to G. H. W. Bush is not realistic. I also suspect because the way the conservative Supreme Court is presently they will not support an overturn of electoral votes, based on the evidence so far presented.

So far there is nothing concrete to support the fraud presented by D. Trump.



I don't know what media you're watching but you're not getting the fuller truth of the matter in the mainstream. In fact very little of it. The mainstream media even some of those that are suppose to be right leaning are lying to us.

The fraud and corruption is broad. The evidence is clear and compelling. How we get through this is a mystery. The media is only pressing harder with more diversion and fake news.

I'm betting on Trump
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 03, 2020, 08:30:16 AM
American Friends,
I heard from Chinese sources that ex-president Obama and CIA head have been arrested by Trump Team for the sake of Treason.


It is said Gina Haspel, who is the Director of the CIA, was in Frankfurt and got injured in the gun battle which happened a few days after the Nov 3rd election. Our media reported she had a meeting with Senate Majority leader Nov 10th and the media predicted she was going to get fired. A few people in Trump's cabinet got fired but not Gina. Till this day, she has not been fired. Nov 13 the media reported she was not invited to Trump's intelligence meeting. She is a public figure and is supposed to be seen in public but after the Nov 13 article, there's no mention she's been seen in public for these last 3 weeks now. It is believed she's in a witness protection program because she revealed who the major players are in this election steal.

If Gina Haspel, who is the Director of the CIA, has turned into a Tainted Witness, Trump Team will win this War much more easily.

Cheers!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 03, 2020, 08:36:01 AM
This is beginning to sound like the snowflakes complaining about Hilary was not president four years ago.

MAN UP ~ Biden is going to be President, my only fear is will he last the term. K. Harris is a scary person.


To quote the late great Yogi Berra, "It ain't over till it's over"


It is over.  According to Trump Team and pro-Trump media, Trump has got 3 ballots for 1 ballot got by China Biden.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 03, 2020, 10:36:06 AM
This is beginning to sound like the snowflakes complaining about Hilary was not president four years ago.

MAN UP ~ Biden is going to be President, my only fear is will he last the term. K. Harris is a scary person.


It sounds like your media is saying Trump doesn't have a chance. He's doing well through this process. Bush lost every court case against Gore until he won the last case in the Supreme Court. That is the way it's supposed to work here. Lower court judges don't want to deal with an issue bigger than them. State legislatures may not even give their electors to Biden but your media may not be telling you that. I'm betting Trump to win.

For myself I listen and read a broad spectrum of media.

The comparison to G. H. W. Bush is not realistic. I also suspect because the way the conservative Supreme Court is presently they will not support an overturn of electoral votes, based on the evidence so far presented.

So far there is nothing concrete to support the fraud presented by D. Trump.


It's not about a Conservative Supreme Court delivering a win for Trump. They can't decide an election. They can apply the law. There's no way lower court judges read all of Trump evidence. Did you watch the Pennsylvania, Arizona, and Michigan Legislature hearings? They were many hours long and only a handful of evidence in their possession was presented. The media doesn't get to decide what the definition of "evidence" is. Evidence according to the dictionary includes eyewitness testimony. One truck driver said he drove over 3 state lines with hundreds of thousands of ballots pre filled out. He recently came out and reported it because he felt guilty and didn't want to take that secret to his grave. How many more drivers out there delivered hundreds of thousands of ballots to Democrat cities? I guarantee you some State will not release their electors to the electoral coming up and if they do, they will flip for Trump. The evidence is on tv and court filings. Although the media doesn't want to report on it, it's there if anybody wants to read or watch it.


American Friends,
I heard from Chinese sources that ex-president Obama and CIA head have been arrested by Trump Team for the sake of Treason.


It is said Gina Haspel, who is the Director of the CIA, was in Frankfurt and got injured in the gun battle which happened a few days after the Nov 3rd election. Our media reported she had a meeting with Senate Majority leader Nov 10th and the media predicted she was going to get fired. A few people in Trump's cabinet got fired but not Gina. Till this day, she has not been fired. Nov 13 the media reported she was not invited to Trump's intelligence meeting. She is a public figure and is supposed to be seen in public but after the Nov 13 article, there's no mention she's been seen in public for these last 3 weeks now. It is believed she's in a witness protection program because she revealed who the major players are in this election steal.

If Gina Haspel, who is the Director of the CIA, has turned into a Tainted Witness, Trump Team will win this War much more easily.

Cheers!

General McIreney recently gave an interview and he said Sidney Powell has the 305th military and a few other witnesses he can't talk about. The 305th military deals with top secret stuff so the 'other' witnesses may be even more important or in a witness protection program. Could be Gina Haspel who may rat out the people in charge. Ideally, Trump needs to win the election in court or the electoral college. He needs favorable public opinion. Using our military to expose election steal and removing Biden may look like he's doing a hostile takeover.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 03, 2020, 08:33:23 PM
The hearing in Georgia is over and it's looking better for Trump. Video evidence showing election officials kicking out poll watchers and media and then resumed count after pulling out suitcases full of ballots that were stored under tables with drapes over them. They should go to jail. Hopefully they'll rat out the people above them. videos in link below.

https://therightscoop.com/watch-video-footage-shows-suitcases-filled-with-ballots-emerge-in-georgia-after-poll-workers-told-to-leave-the-room/

The colonel testified he and his white hat hackers were authorized to look into the Dominion machine in Michigan that gave 6000 Trump votes to Biden and they discovered it's vote data was shipped to Frankfurt Germany. He said the vote count is reported with decimals.  So lets say 10 of us voted and the vote should be recorded as 10 votes but instead it gets reported as 11.231 or 9.375 which would mean some peoples vote is worth more or less than other peoples vote. Each person should have exactly 1 vote. There should be no decimals in the reports but because there are, our votes don't exactly equal to 1. Also the colonel said there's watermarks on the ballots but the machine can be tweaked to accept fake ballots. They estimate at least 96,000 fake ballots were printed in China.

Another company in Dallas evaluated the election in whole country and other manufacture's machines seemed to be fine but on average, Dominion seemed to favor Biden by 5%.

Dominion, Smartmatic and SGO share the same physical address in Barbados.

My conclusion is Georgia may not send their electors to the electoral college or possibly send their Trump electors.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 03, 2020, 08:48:16 PM
This is beginning to sound like the snowflakes complaining about Hilary was not president four years ago.

MAN UP ~ Biden is going to be President, my only fear is will he last the term. K. Harris is a scary person.


If I want to piss and moan and wear a pink vagina hat I'm going to and you won't stop me!!  :ROFL:  :ROFL: :ROFL:   :ROFL:

But seriously we should resist them as much as they resisted us, and we definitely need to demand election reform!!

ID required to vote!
Vote in person only!
No computers, return to paper ballots!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 03, 2020, 10:34:00 PM

I want to explain more why are votes have decimals behind whole numbers based off what I heard at other hearings. Trump was ahead of Biden by hundreds of thousands of votes in swing states on election night. Smart mathematicians figure out how many votes are left to count and will weight things accordingly so Biden will edge Trump in the end. So in Arizona, they may weigh one vote for Biden as 1.3 and a vote for Trump as .7, In Nevada they may weigh one vote for Biden as 1.25 and one vote for Trump as .75  This is the method that were used to have Biden catch up.

Would anybody here would like it if my one vote was worth than your one vote? From early discussions, it was said the calculations was done in Frankfurt. Our votes all sent there and then returned with a different weight.  The CIA was in possession of the Scytl server but China, Iran, and Serbia was in that server during our elections. Did they supply the mathematicians to do the proper calculations? This may be revealed after a forensic inspection of the servers. After enough people speak up, it may be revealed Biden made an agreement with foreign nations to affect an American election just like he actually did quid pro quo in Ukraine.

Besides foreign actors being involved, their computer manipulation totals have to be matched by adding ballots to Biden's total and trashing Trump votes. Biden won by small amounts in Georgia, Nevada, Arizona, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Biden won in Michigan by 150,000 vote which is a bigger margin than the other states combined but the ground guys screwed up and over cheated. In some voting districts they had OVER 100% of the voters registered there show up to vote which is impossible.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on December 04, 2020, 01:19:49 AM

I want to explain more why are votes have decimals behind whole numbers based off what I heard at other hearings. Trump was ahead of Biden by hundreds of thousands of votes in swing states on election night. Smart mathematicians figure out how many votes are left to count and will weight things accordingly so Biden will edge Trump in the end. So in Arizona, they may weigh one vote for Biden as 1.3 and a vote for Trump as .7, In Nevada they may weigh one vote for Biden as 1.25 and one vote for Trump as .75  This is the method that were used to have Biden catch up.

Would anybody here would like it if my one vote was worth than your one vote? From early discussions, it was said the calculations was done in Frankfurt. Our votes all sent there and then returned with a different weight.  The CIA was in possession of the Scytl server but China, Iran, and Serbia was in that server during our elections. Did they supply the mathematicians to do the proper calculations? This may be revealed after a forensic inspection of the servers. After enough people speak up, it may be revealed Biden made an agreement with foreign nations to affect an American election just like he actually did quid pro quo in Ukraine.

Besides foreign actors being involved, their computer manipulation totals have to be matched by adding ballots to Biden's total and trashing Trump votes. Biden won by small amounts in Georgia, Nevada, Arizona, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Biden won in Michigan by 150,000 vote which is a bigger margin than the other states combined but the ground guys screwed up and over cheated. In some voting districts they had OVER 100% of the voters registered there show up to vote which is impossible.

Thanks Bill, this is interesting. Will hard evidence of this be able to be presented in a court, I hope so, but I expect No. That is why I am pessimistic. I understand the opinion of Confederate.

Worth noting while Berlin is the capitol of Germany like New York City in the States, Frankfurt is the financial capitol of Germany, who would have thought.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 04, 2020, 09:27:20 AM
Lin Wood interviewed by NTD Reporter
3 Dec 2020

Original English Conversation
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 04, 2020, 09:38:37 AM

I want to explain more why are votes have decimals behind whole numbers based off what I heard at other hearings. Trump was ahead of Biden by hundreds of thousands of votes in swing states on election night. Smart mathematicians figure out how many votes are left to count and will weight things accordingly so Biden will edge Trump in the end. So in Arizona, they may weigh one vote for Biden as 1.3 and a vote for Trump as .7, In Nevada they may weigh one vote for Biden as 1.25 and one vote for Trump as .75  This is the method that were used to have Biden catch up.

Would anybody here would like it if my one vote was worth than your one vote? From early discussions, it was said the calculations was done in Frankfurt. Our votes all sent there and then returned with a different weight.  The CIA was in possession of the Scytl server but China, Iran, and Serbia was in that server during our elections. Did they supply the mathematicians to do the proper calculations? This may be revealed after a forensic inspection of the servers. After enough people speak up, it may be revealed Biden made an agreement with foreign nations to affect an American election just like he actually did quid pro quo in Ukraine.

Besides foreign actors being involved, their computer manipulation totals have to be matched by adding ballots to Biden's total and trashing Trump votes. Biden won by small amounts in Georgia, Nevada, Arizona, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Biden won in Michigan by 150,000 vote which is a bigger margin than the other states combined but the ground guys screwed up and over cheated. In some voting districts they had OVER 100% of the voters registered there show up to vote which is impossible.

Thanks Bill, this is interesting. Will hard evidence of this be able to be presented in a court, I hope so, but I expect No. That is why I am pessimistic. I understand the opinion of Confederate.

Worth noting while Berlin is the capitol of Germany like New York City in the States, Frankfurt is the financial capitol of Germany, who would have thought.


I regret our British Empire/Commonwealth Army sacrificed their lives to free Holland, even though there was no Hard Evidence of large scale massacre presented onto Churchill's table.

I hope ChiNazi will also ruin EU.  At that days, no one will be able to free Europeans any more.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 04, 2020, 10:16:55 AM

I want to explain more why are votes have decimals behind whole numbers based off what I heard at other hearings. Trump was ahead of Biden by hundreds of thousands of votes in swing states on election night. Smart mathematicians figure out how many votes are left to count and will weight things accordingly so Biden will edge Trump in the end. So in Arizona, they may weigh one vote for Biden as 1.3 and a vote for Trump as .7, In Nevada they may weigh one vote for Biden as 1.25 and one vote for Trump as .75  This is the method that were used to have Biden catch up.

Would anybody here would like it if my one vote was worth than your one vote? From early discussions, it was said the calculations was done in Frankfurt. Our votes all sent there and then returned with a different weight.  The CIA was in possession of the Scytl server but China, Iran, and Serbia was in that server during our elections. Did they supply the mathematicians to do the proper calculations? This may be revealed after a forensic inspection of the servers. After enough people speak up, it may be revealed Biden made an agreement with foreign nations to affect an American election just like he actually did quid pro quo in Ukraine.

Besides foreign actors being involved, their computer manipulation totals have to be matched by adding ballots to Biden's total and trashing Trump votes. Biden won by small amounts in Georgia, Nevada, Arizona, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Biden won in Michigan by 150,000 vote which is a bigger margin than the other states combined but the ground guys screwed up and over cheated. In some voting districts they had OVER 100% of the voters registered there show up to vote which is impossible.

Thanks Bill, this is interesting. Will hard evidence of this be able to be presented in a court, I hope so, but I expect No. That is why I am pessimistic. I understand the opinion of Confederate.

Worth noting while Berlin is the capitol of Germany like New York City in the States, Frankfurt is the financial capitol of Germany, who would have thought.


I regret our British Empire/Commonwealth Army sacrificed their lives to free Holland, even though there was no Hard Evidence of large scale massacre presented onto Churchill's table.

I hope ChiNazi will also ruin EU.  At that days, no one will be able to free Europeans any more.

Are you in actual reality working for the CCP??
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 04, 2020, 10:20:56 AM

I want to explain more why are votes have decimals behind whole numbers based off what I heard at other hearings. Trump was ahead of Biden by hundreds of thousands of votes in swing states on election night. Smart mathematicians figure out how many votes are left to count and will weight things accordingly so Biden will edge Trump in the end. So in Arizona, they may weigh one vote for Biden as 1.3 and a vote for Trump as .7, In Nevada they may weigh one vote for Biden as 1.25 and one vote for Trump as .75  This is the method that were used to have Biden catch up.

Would anybody here would like it if my one vote was worth than your one vote? From early discussions, it was said the calculations was done in Frankfurt. Our votes all sent there and then returned with a different weight.  The CIA was in possession of the Scytl server but China, Iran, and Serbia was in that server during our elections. Did they supply the mathematicians to do the proper calculations? This may be revealed after a forensic inspection of the servers. After enough people speak up, it may be revealed Biden made an agreement with foreign nations to affect an American election just like he actually did quid pro quo in Ukraine.

Besides foreign actors being involved, their computer manipulation totals have to be matched by adding ballots to Biden's total and trashing Trump votes. Biden won by small amounts in Georgia, Nevada, Arizona, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Biden won in Michigan by 150,000 vote which is a bigger margin than the other states combined but the ground guys screwed up and over cheated. In some voting districts they had OVER 100% of the voters registered there show up to vote which is impossible.

Thanks Bill, this is interesting. Will hard evidence of this be able to be presented in a court, I hope so, but I expect No. That is why I am pessimistic. I understand the opinion of Confederate.

Worth noting while Berlin is the capitol of Germany like New York City in the States, Frankfurt is the financial capitol of Germany, who would have thought.


I spent two months in special assignment at a discrete location somewhere in Frankfurt and was billeted in Wiesbaden, sort of a sister city to Frankfurt where many wealthy people live.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on December 04, 2020, 05:05:18 PM
I spent two months in special assignment at a discrete location somewhere in Frankfurt and was billeted in Wiesbaden, sort of a sister city to Frankfurt where many wealthy people live.

 :-X I always found the Germans south of Frankfurt am Main enjoyable. North of Frankfurt they were just miserable or difficult for the most part.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 04, 2020, 07:54:15 PM
We have all the proof we need. Joe DiGenova & Victoria Toensing on AMERICA First


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 04, 2020, 08:36:36 PM

I want to explain more why are votes have decimals behind whole numbers based off what I heard at other hearings. Trump was ahead of Biden by hundreds of thousands of votes in swing states on election night. Smart mathematicians figure out how many votes are left to count and will weight things accordingly so Biden will edge Trump in the end. So in Arizona, they may weigh one vote for Biden as 1.3 and a vote for Trump as .7, In Nevada they may weigh one vote for Biden as 1.25 and one vote for Trump as .75  This is the method that were used to have Biden catch up.

Would anybody here would like it if my one vote was worth than your one vote? From early discussions, it was said the calculations was done in Frankfurt. Our votes all sent there and then returned with a different weight.  The CIA was in possession of the Scytl server but China, Iran, and Serbia was in that server during our elections. Did they supply the mathematicians to do the proper calculations? This may be revealed after a forensic inspection of the servers. After enough people speak up, it may be revealed Biden made an agreement with foreign nations to affect an American election just like he actually did quid pro quo in Ukraine.

Besides foreign actors being involved, their computer manipulation totals have to be matched by adding ballots to Biden's total and trashing Trump votes. Biden won by small amounts in Georgia, Nevada, Arizona, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Biden won in Michigan by 150,000 vote which is a bigger margin than the other states combined but the ground guys screwed up and over cheated. In some voting districts they had OVER 100% of the voters registered there show up to vote which is impossible.

Thanks Bill, this is interesting. Will hard evidence of this be able to be presented in a court, I hope so, but I expect No. That is why I am pessimistic. I understand the opinion of Confederate.

Worth noting while Berlin is the capitol of Germany like New York City in the States, Frankfurt is the financial capitol of Germany, who would have thought.


A federal court judge expedited Sidney Powell's case to appeals court. I assume he seen something in there of great importance. Sidney gave an interview today she has many bags worth of shredded ballots and more evidence is coming in.


The hearing in Georgia is over and it's looking better for Trump. Video evidence showing election officials kicking out poll watchers and media and then resumed count after pulling out suitcases full of ballots that were stored under tables with drapes over them. They should go to jail. Hopefully they'll rat out the people above them. videos in link below.

https://therightscoop.com/watch-video-footage-shows-suitcases-filled-with-ballots-emerge-in-georgia-after-poll-workers-told-to-leave-the-room/


A couple of women in the video pulling suitcases out from under a table in the link above is in a video in the link below. They are sitting at a table and one passes a flash drive to another election worker. These flash drives are used to manipulate the voting machines. They were also seen to put a single ballot in the machine many times. States spend hundreds of millions of dollars on voting machines and the machines can't even figure out the same ballot was inserted in them multiple times and those machines can be manipulated by election workers with a flash drive. Having to be a pro hacker is not a requirement to rigging an American election.

https://twitter.com/WW_NEWS_
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 04, 2020, 10:42:41 PM
Chief Justice of the Wisconsin Supreme Court said...

“I also am concerned that the public will misunderstand what our denial of the petition means,” wrote Chief Justice Patience Drake Roggensack. “Occasionally, members of the public seem to believe that a denial of our acceptance of a case signals that the petition’s allegations are either false or not serious. Nothing could be further from the truth. Indeed, sometimes, we deny petitions even when it appears that a law has been violated.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/dec/3/wisconsin-supreme-court-bucks-trumps-election-laws/


3000 ballots for Trump found in Lake Erie, PA. We need volunteers. We need to search garbage cans, lakes, rivers, landfills, dumpsters, and sewer treatment plants! We can win this for Trump. Just got to find the votes that were trashed.

http://parler.com/profile/TeamPowell/posts


Sidney Powell has bags of shredded ballots and more bag are on the way. The evidence keeps pouring in.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 04, 2020, 11:30:16 PM
We have all the proof we need. Joe DiGenova & Victoria Toensing on AMERICA First


Excellent audio program, recommend.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 05, 2020, 01:54:23 AM


I watched a video provided by Cufflinks on Nov 6 with Dr. Steve Pieczenik in an interview saying there were block chain and watermarks on the ballots and there were arrests going on as he spoke. By using that technology, it would be easy to distinguish the real ballots from the fakes. I dismissed it as a conspiracy theory but a lot of it came true and CIA Gina Haspel is still missing, maybe because she was arrested.  He said the biggest sting operation in our nation is happening as he spoke. I dismissed it as conspiracy theory talk back then but a lot of what he said in the video came true. He was born in Cuba to Russian Polish parents. He served in many Presidential administrations and was Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, and James Baker. He studied at MIT, Harvard, and Cornell where Dr. Fauci worked under him. He once worked as a psychiatrist for CIA employees.

Steve has a lot of connections and insider info. He has been given permission by Cyber Command to leak some on the Alex Jones show first because they don't trust mainstream media including Fox. By leaking some info, it will excite the Trump base and by by leaking on the Alex Jones show, the liberals will dismiss it as conspiracy theories. I never cared to listen to Alex Jones because much of what he says is hard to believe.

In a Dec 1 interview he said Trump has been preparing for the election steal for years and points to his previous executive orders to take control in the event of cyber warfare on America. He said there's all sorts of military flights going on in Florida now. Hundreds of people were arrested in Florida. That is similar to what a flight tracker said predicting some big military event is happening and there's a lot of rendition flights going on where they interrogate the people they arrest over international waters. Steve said Gitmo(miltary prison in Guantanamo Bay Cuba) had doubled in size since last year. He knows the guy that sold them the fence. The Bushes, Clintons, Obamas, and Bidens are all corrupt. Many of our politicians around the country are corrupt and he's thankful Trump is in office to clean it up. He's 100% positive Trump will be serving a second term. Some of the stuff he says in the interview is mind blowing. I dismissed him the first time but I'll be watching every interview he decides to give from here on out. He said the sting operation is ongoing and going well. I'm starting to wonder if Barr's claims there isn't much fraud to overturn an election was said on purpose to get the bad guys to think nobody is on to them.

http://banned.video/watch?id=5fc6cd4cb4b7ac58e58ffc81
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 05, 2020, 01:10:08 PM


I like to congratulate the former President of Smartmatic, Lord Mark Malloch Brown, on a new promotion to lead the Open Society Foundation given to him by George Soros . They don't even hide they're in bed together.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/george-soros-appoints-lord-mark-malloch-brown-former-president-smartmatic-lead-open-society-foundation/


After Trump gave himself more power in 2018 to go after individuals and organizations including CNN, WA Post, NY Times if they get involved Cyber warfare against our nation, he made a tweet last year saying this. I wouldn't be surprised to see some big names go down soon.

"It’s called the swamp. And you know what happened & you know what I did? A big favor. I caught the swamp. I caught them all." - President Trump on Nov. 8, 2019
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 05, 2020, 02:00:50 PM
https://twitter.com/Wizard_Predicts/status/1335077261129740288

Game on!

Josh Barnett for Congress (AZ-07)
@BarnettforAZ
 
BREAKING: Pennsylvania Election lawsuit has been officially docketed at the US Supreme Court!!! Justice Alito has ordered the state to respond no later than December 9th.

Per the NUKE OG Patriot...
Rudy Giuliani the USA's preeminent RICO Act prosecutor has practiced his opening statement at WI, MI, PA, GA, AZ and his team at NV... legislature hearings.   Who wants to take bets that the 6 Conservative Patriot Judges on the US Supreme Court DO NOT want to see a CCP Bought and Paid for Manchurian Candidate TRAITOR sworn in as the next POTUS after his DNC/CCP coconspirators manage to STEAL this election by illegal and Extra-Constitutional means...
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 05, 2020, 02:17:45 PM
Per B2 This Exactly...

I'm starting to wonder if Barr's claims there isn't much fraud to overturn an election was said on purpose to get the bad guys to think nobody is on to them.

Remember these are extremely arrogant Democommunists looking to get rich helping the CCP get richer by colonizing all of North and South America especially the USA...  DoD is fully engaged in this now active cyber/information warfare and insurrection against the USA.

Many of the Traitors will indeed face the Death Penalty at Military Tribunals.

Our Military Academies, USNA, USMA and USAFA all graduate PATRIOTS who will protect and defend the USA with their lives and know there are 74 Million Armed Patriots, including at least 20 Million Veterans as a ready militia to back them up as soon as we receive orders from the Commander in Chief.  The CCP Bought and Paid For Beijing Biden Crime Clan and Traitor Joe himself will never be allowed near the Nuclear Football and Launch Codes. You Brits can Make Bank on that at Ladbrokes.

http://banned.video/watch?id=5fc6cd4cb4b7ac58e58ffc81

Dr. Steve Pieczenik is a Patriot same as Rudy G, Sydney Powell, General Flynn and General McInerney and the 250 Flag Officers who endorsed POTUS Trump in writing!

You do not have to be a perfect person to be a Perfect PATRIOT!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 05, 2020, 04:04:22 PM
https://twitter.com/Wizard_Predicts/status/1335077261129740288

Game on!

Josh Barnett for Congress (AZ-07)
@BarnettforAZ
 
BREAKING: Pennsylvania Election lawsuit has been officially docketed at the US Supreme Court!!! Justice Alito has ordered the state to respond no later than December 9th.

Per the NUKE OG Patriot...
Rudy Giuliani the USA's preeminent RICO Act prosecutor has practiced his opening statement at WI, MI, PA, GA, AZ and his team at NV... legislature hearings.   Who wants to take bets that the 6 Conservative Patriot Judges on the US Supreme Court DO NOT want to see a CCP Bought and Paid for Manchurian Candidate TRAITOR sworn in as the next POTUS after his DNC/CCP coconspirators manage to STEAL this election by illegal and Extra-Constitutional means...

Is this for real??

Frigging awesome if it is!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 05, 2020, 04:39:25 PM
Pam Bondi:

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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 05, 2020, 06:18:20 PM
Electoral College dates not "Set in Stone"

https://mma.prnewswire.com/media/1359230/Electoral_College_Deadlines_White_Paper.pdf?p=pdf
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 05, 2020, 08:42:01 PM
https://www.brighteon.com/6bbae6f0-b443-4985-9f2c-889c8c6d4ae9

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 05, 2020, 09:25:04 PM
https://www.brighteon.com/85eb594a-046e-48b7-989d-25a1d868ba67
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 06, 2020, 10:04:04 AM


I like to congratulate the former President of Smartmatic, Lord Mark Malloch Brown, on a new promotion to lead the Open Society Foundation given to him by George Soros . They don't even hide they're in bed together.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/george-soros-appoints-lord-mark-malloch-brown-former-president-smartmatic-lead-open-society-foundation/


After Trump gave himself more power in 2018 to go after individuals and organizations including CNN, WA Post, NY Times if they get involved Cyber warfare against our nation, he made a tweet last year saying this. I wouldn't be surprised to see some big names go down soon.

"It’s called the swamp. And you know what happened & you know what I did? A big favor. I caught the swamp. I caught them all." - President Trump on Nov. 8, 2019

American Friends,
I told you before.  This 2020 Election may be a Game{Game} to trap those Commie Traitors down!!!

As time goes by, it is clearer and clearer!  CIA Head Gina Hasper has disappeared for a few weeks!  Either she is dead or has turned into a Tainted Witness!

I predict.  If Trump is successful, USA will be able to last her full power for at least 50 more years without any challenge on earth!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 06, 2020, 10:11:59 AM
Per B2 This Exactly...

I'm starting to wonder if Barr's claims there isn't much fraud to overturn an election was said on purpose to get the bad guys to think nobody is on to them.

Remember these are extremely arrogant Democommunists looking to get rich helping the CCP get richer by colonizing all of North and South America especially the USA...  DoD is fully engaged in this now active cyber/information warfare and insurrection against the USA.

Many of the Traitors will indeed face the Death Penalty at Military Tribunals.

Our Military Academies, USNA, USMA and USAFA all graduate PATRIOTS who will protect and defend the USA with their lives and know there are 74 Million Armed Patriots, including at least 20 Million Veterans as a ready militia to back them up as soon as we receive orders from the Commander in Chief.  The CCP Bought and Paid For Beijing Biden Crime Clan and Traitor Joe himself will never be allowed near the Nuclear Football and Launch Codes. You Brits can Make Bank on that at Ladbrokes.

http://banned.video/watch?id=5fc6cd4cb4b7ac58e58ffc81

Dr. Steve Pieczenik is a Patriot same as Rudy G, Sydney Powell, General Flynn and General McInerney and the 250 Flag Officers who endorsed POTUS Trump in writing!

You do not have to be a perfect person to be a Perfect PATRIOT!


I also agree on your point about Barr.  As you know, Pompeo graduated from West Point as Number One!  This guy has gone through most Military Strategy monographs published since the dawn of human being!

Be prepared yourselves for ChiNazi and Democommies' Plan B and Plan C!  They will not give up their illegal wealth as long as they can still breath!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 06, 2020, 10:16:30 AM

https://m.theepochtimes.com/georgia-county-cant-find-chain-of-custody-records-for-absentee-ballots_3606540.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-12-06-1
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 06, 2020, 02:22:05 PM
https://www.brighteon.com/7e81daf4-19ee-42b6-9550-fd6996e134dd

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 07, 2020, 07:24:00 PM

Worker for a fact checking site said they are told to fact check Conservative material on social media. They are hired to Facebook and twitter can claim they aren't responsible for the fact checking. Sometimes they'll write and article and prove something wrong by pointing back to the article. To prepare of for the Great Reset, they want to control the flow of information. Good read on how it works. I've already known for awhile fact checking is BS which backs up propaganda.

http://www.linkedin.com/pulse/mind-blowing-chilling-revelation-from-former-facebook-gregoire/

For those that think the Great Reset you've been hearing about lately is made up by Right Wingers, it's real and Trump is in their way.

http://www.weforum.org/great-reset/

As we enter a unique window of opportunity to shape the recovery, this initiative will offer insights to help inform all those determining the future state of global relations, the direction of national economies, the priorities of societies, the nature of business models and the management of a global commons. Drawing from the vision and vast expertise of the leaders engaged across the Forum’s communities, the Great Reset initiative has a set of dimensions to build a new social contract that honours the dignity of every human being.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 08, 2020, 02:42:22 AM
Worker for a fact checking site said they are told to fact check Conservative material on social media. They are hired to Facebook and twitter can claim they aren't responsible for the fact checking. Sometimes they'll write and article and prove something wrong by pointing back to the article. To prepare of for the Great Reset, they want to control the flow of information. Good read on how it works. I've already known for awhile fact checking is BS which backs up propaganda.


Network Fact Check works like this:
A==> B==> C==> ....... N==> A
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 08, 2020, 02:54:19 AM
As we enter a unique window of opportunity to shape the recovery, this initiative will offer insights to help inform all those determining the future state of global relations, the direction of national economies, the priorities of societies, the nature of business models and the management of a global commons. Drawing from the vision and vast expertise of the leaders engaged across the Forum’s communities, the Great Reset initiative has a set of dimensions to build a new social contract that honours the dignity of every human being.

According to my own interest and opinion, fiat currency system requires the most urgent reform.

As you see, each time economics is at a critical situation, astronomical amount of fiat currency will be issued by every central bank of strong currency. This massive amount of extra currency simply goes into evil IT firms' stock market. They will, in return, control us even more.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 08, 2020, 03:54:50 PM
Finally, a case gets on SCOTUS Docket - wait for it - from the Great State of Texas AG:

https://twitter.com/thedonalddotwin/status/1336408581445459971

TheDonald.win

Update (1515ET): Just twelve hours after it was filed, the US Supreme Court has officially put Texas's lawsuit against Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin on the docket, meaning the case will be heard.

Perhaps US Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) will argue the case...

https://thenationalpulse.com/news/entire-body-of-ballots-is-constitutionally-suspect-claims-texas-ag/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 08, 2020, 07:28:09 PM

Enjoy Christmas and NYE watch for SHTF around Jan 6 for T-Day...

https://healthrangerreport.com/situation-update-nov-8th-all-ballots-after-nov-3rd-are-null-and-void
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 08, 2020, 09:37:36 PM
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 08, 2020, 09:39:36 PM
Joining the TEXAS Lawsuit against PA, WI, MI and GA:
ALABAMA!
ARKANSAS!
FLORIDA!
KENTUCKY!
LOUISIANA!
MISSISSIPPI!
SOUTH CAROLINA!
SOUTH DAKOTA!

Wow! Still room for more! Come join us!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 09, 2020, 02:36:57 PM
https://twitter.com/Barnes_Law/status/1336769040350543872

Robert Barnes
@Barnes_Law
1h
17 states join the #TexasLawSuit. See their amicus brief.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163215/20201209144840609_2020-12-09%20-%20Texas%20v.%20Pennsylvania%20-%20Amicus%20Brief%20of%20Missouri%20et%20al.%20-%20Final%20with%20Tables.pdf
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 09, 2020, 02:38:45 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1336668083822473221

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
We will be INTERVENING in the Texas (plus many other states) case. This is the big one. Our Country needs a victory!

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 09, 2020, 02:47:56 PM
Mike Adams is a PATRIOT and not BPD like AJ at Infowars...

https://naturalnews.com/#

YouTube commits TREASON: Bans all videos exposing election FRAUD
Situation Update, Dec. 9th - Humanity's breakthrough moment: We REFUSE to be enslaved!
Situation Update, Dec. 8th - All ballots after Nov. 3rd are null and void, swing states to flip
Situation Update, Dec. 7th - DNI John Ratcliffe's foreign interference report, plus PCR fraud
Situation Update, Dec. 6th - China owns Dominion and controls all the elections officials
Hear all the Situation Update daily podcasts at Brighteon.com
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 09, 2020, 03:06:04 PM
https://www.revolver.news/2020/12/chinese-professor-reveals-plot-in-shock-video-us-elites-and-china-have-teamed-up-to-take-control-of-america/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 09, 2020, 04:27:59 PM
https://www.brighteon.com/7a47fe12-1d65-4388-9dc0-06c4e730bd35

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on December 09, 2020, 07:12:25 PM
  Oh oh, better stand down Cuffy, or Cynthia Johnson will send her soldiers after ya!   :laugh:


 Perfect example of what happens when stupid people get a little power...  unbelievable   (:)

 

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 10, 2020, 09:38:30 PM

22 States, 106 Republican lawmakers, and a few individuals are teamed up at the Supreme Court against the 4 swing states.

Earlier I mentioned Trump neutered the CIA by removing their special ops powers. This was supposed to been done by JFK's NSAM(National Security Action Memorandum) #57 but it was never initiated due to JFK getting assassinated. Trump is the first Prez to do it and he basically turned the CIA into paper pushers.

http://www.jfklibrary.org/archives/other-resources/national-security-action-memoranda-nsams


Just today Sec of Defense sends CIA director Gina Haspel a letter stating the DoD(Department of Defense) will end support of CIA missions. Now they are paper pushers without the backing of the military. Speaking of Gina Haspel, has anybody interviewed her on what she thought about that? After what Trump did, I don't think she's got any balls left.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pentagon-plans-cut-support-cias-counterterrorism-missions/story?id=74641591


Another peace treaty in the Middle East thanks to Trump.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/president-trump-announces-another-peace-deal-middle-east-israel-morocco-agree-full-diplomatic-relations/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 10, 2020, 10:46:55 PM
Billy might not like this. Aliens do exist, and Trump has been briefed!

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/12/09/597770/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 11, 2020, 01:10:39 AM
https://www.revolver.news/2020/12/chinese-professor-reveals-plot-in-shock-video-us-elites-and-china-have-teamed-up-to-take-control-of-america/

Your video has been banned by Google, but it is still here on Fox News!

A speech delivered in Shenzhen China on 28th November 2020 by a high level China commie.  He admitted that:
America's political elite have been working on behalf of China
Fox News,  8th, December, 2020

Live Video Record with English translation
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6214769762001
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 11, 2020, 01:15:41 AM
Billy might not like this. Aliens do exist, and Trump has been briefed!

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/12/09/597770/

Verbal dialogue cannot be a Proof!!!  ;)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 11, 2020, 10:31:14 PM
Billy might not like this. Aliens do exist, and Trump has been briefed!

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/12/09/597770/


I'm not buying that story. The Israeli said we have an underground Mars base we engage the aliens with. There are a lot of people who monitor rockets being sent to space and people searching the skies. Somebody would've spotted rockets going to and from Mars frequently and reported it by now.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 12, 2020, 09:06:29 AM
[attachimg=1]

As to such a massive scale of corruption in USA, a military operation seems imminent in order to restore a Clean and Powerful USA.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 12, 2020, 09:12:52 AM
Oh oh, better stand down Cuffy, or Cynthia Johnson will send her soldiers after ya!   :laugh:

Perfect example of what happens when stupid people get a little power...  unbelievable   (:)

Canadian Friend,
I heard from some Canadian netizens.  They also highly suspect that your PM Trudeau won by Dominion Balloting Machine.  They said that not many Canadian liked him but he turned out as the winner.

What is your opinion?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 12, 2020, 09:51:15 AM
Billy might not like this. Aliens do exist, and Trump has been briefed!

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/12/09/597770/


I'm not buying that story. The Israeli said we have an underground Mars base we engage the aliens with. There are a lot of people who monitor rockets being sent to space and people searching the skies. Somebody would've spotted rockets going to and from Mars frequently and reported it by now.

       :ROFL:          :ROFL:             :ROFL:

Billy still in denial that we are not alone in the Universe and that extraterrestrials have cloaking devices for their more advanced spacecraft.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 12, 2020, 03:50:04 PM
Heres a Newsflash rockets are just improved Nazi V2 Technology...  We have progressed far past rockets...

Search for the TR3B and TR3E... US Built Space Crafts...

Based upon Bob Lazar's description of the Area 51 - S4 "Sport Model" back in 1989:


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 12, 2020, 03:54:05 PM
B.O.T:

Trump's multiple paths to victory...

Ivan E. Raiklin
@Raiklin

#DigitalSoldiers #ThePlan is still on. SCOTUS <TX> ruling is only one play. 

Read, study and understand the paths to victory, study the plan & then read and understand the 12th Amendment! All below. See you tomorrow at a massive rally before SCOTUS where we still have pending cases.

https://twitter.com/Raiklin/status/1337559048116465664

###
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 12, 2020, 07:06:32 PM
Found a copy of Bob Lazars Original 1991 Video a bit grainy but Audio OK

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 12, 2020, 07:18:57 PM
Situation Updates by Mike Adams:

https://naturalnews.com/

Situation Update, Dec. 12th - SCOTUS betrayal allows Trump to invoke military tribunals and Fourteenth Amendment - Note Received some 404 Site Not Available errors likely due to heavy traffic by Patriots looking for reliable info...

https://www.brighteon.com/1aa596c5-5147-4fcd-aaf8-a5611c27bf33
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on December 12, 2020, 09:16:44 PM
REALITY TIME

Yes I am unhappy with J. Biden as President elect and outright scarred as C. Harris as Vice President. But come 20 January J. Biden will have his hand on a Bible. He will become SCOTUS, this I noted a while ago, sorry.

Try to get used to it and lets move forward.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 12, 2020, 09:46:35 PM
REALITY TIME

Yes I am unhappy with J. Biden as President elect and outright scarred as C. Harris as Vice President. But come 20 January J. Biden will have his hand on a Bible. He will become SCOTUS, this I noted a while ago, sorry.

Try to get used to it and lets move forward.


Too much booze today?

PoTUS.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 13, 2020, 12:19:18 AM
Situation Updates by Mike Adams:

https://naturalnews.com/

Situation Update, Dec. 12th - SCOTUS betrayal allows Trump to invoke military tribunals and Fourteenth Amendment - Note Received some 404 Site Not Available errors likely due to heavy traffic by Patriots looking for reliable info...

https://www.brighteon.com/1aa596c5-5147-4fcd-aaf8-a5611c27bf33

naturalnews and brighten are sources for you? You're the most ill-informed *snip* on the forum.  :'( :'(
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 13, 2020, 04:05:12 AM
My conclusion for today:
President Trump has delayed Military Operation until after Christmas and New Year Holiday so as to avoid huge disturbance to civil economics.

The situation of present USA is comparable to:
Upright Americans are very lucky.  They can learn from these 2 cases.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 13, 2020, 04:11:03 AM
Part of the Deep State referred to by President Trump.
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on December 13, 2020, 06:28:53 AM
REALITY TIME

Yes I am unhappy with J. Biden as President elect and outright scarred as C. Harris as Vice President. But come 20 January J. Biden will have his hand on a Bible. He will become SCOTUS, this I noted a while ago, sorry.

Try to get used to it and lets move forward.


Too much booze today?

PoTUS.

Dyslexic's rule, just think of of Patton.

Anyways we all will be FKTDUS by JB for 4 years.

Keep on smiling!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 13, 2020, 08:51:31 AM
REALITY TIME

Does he look like a Loser or President for 4 more years?!?

President Trump visiting West Point Military Academy on 12th December 2020!
Video from 1:13.

Live recording without English conversation.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 13, 2020, 08:59:21 AM
Situation Updates by Mike Adams:

https://naturalnews.com/

Situation Update, Dec. 12th - SCOTUS betrayal allows Trump to invoke military tribunals and Fourteenth Amendment - Note Received some 404 Site Not Available errors likely due to heavy traffic by Patriots looking for reliable info...

https://www.brighteon.com/1aa596c5-5147-4fcd-aaf8-a5611c27bf33

Upright American Friends,
If you do not want "2-country-1-system" Chi-merica happens,  prepare yourselves for Show Time after the Christmas and New Year Holidays!

Pompeo is West Point`s #1 graduate of his year.  He knows this very well:
Military is the last means to solve conflict.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 13, 2020, 11:06:46 AM
Situation Updates by Mike Adams:

https://naturalnews.com/

Situation Update, Dec. 12th - SCOTUS betrayal allows Trump to invoke military tribunals and Fourteenth Amendment - Note Received some 404 Site Not Available errors likely due to heavy traffic by Patriots looking for reliable info...

https://www.brighteon.com/1aa596c5-5147-4fcd-aaf8-a5611c27bf33

naturalnews and brighten are sources for you? You're the most ill-informed *snip* on the forum.  :'( :'(

So says the blind sheep who believes the Marxists who now control all major sources of information propaganda in the USA.

You don't have a protector to delete responses to your BS over here either.

Can't wait for a Cuffy power response to your nonsense.  :laugh:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 13, 2020, 11:23:18 AM
REALITY TIME

Yes I am unhappy with J. Biden as President elect and outright scarred as C. Harris as Vice President. But come 20 January J. Biden will have his hand on a Bible. He will become SCOTUS, this I noted a while ago, sorry.

Try to get used to it and lets move forward.


Your and our media are keeping people ignorant to what reality is. Trump says there was massive election fraud. He cant turn the government over to corrupt people. He has a Constitution duty to take action and action is coming.

A lot of politicians and military personal take an oath similiar to this.

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."


If the courts don't step in, Trump will take America down the path Lincoln took us which is invoking the Insurrection Act. Lincoln jailed many people including a SCOTUS judge. Lincoln's goal was to make sure all men were equal according to the Constitution. Over the years, the Democrats deviated from the Constitution. This time they are violating the Constitution by ignoring fair and free elections and conspiring with foreign powers to take control of the nation. Trump is committed and he won't quit now. Is anybody here ready to give up their life to protect Dominion voting machine secrets and getting Biden a job? 30 years ago I left college and volunteered for the Army to help the Kuwaiti people obtain freedom from Iraqi occupation. I certainly don't want to see my country go down the path of rigged elections and rule by the corrupt party that rigs the elections.

The Democrats and media have always claimed Trump didn't do enough to stop foreign influence in our elections. In the 2018 midterm elections, he turned off the internet to all of Russia's troll houses. The biggest thing he did was to create an Executive order called "Imposing Certain Sanctions in the event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election." It doesn't sound like much according to the title but after I read it, it's mind blowing and it will be used before Jan 20. I think Trump knew more about foreign interference and Democrats cheating than he led on to because the Executive order seems to be more designed for the 2020 elections, not the 2018 midterm elections.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/

According to that Executive Order, the Director of National Intelligence must release a report of the intelligence community's findings no later than 45 days after the election. 45 days after Nov 3rd is Dec 18th and Trump may release that report to the public on a day of his choosing. He may give the courts more time. If there is foreign interference with our election, Trump is ALLOWED to declare a National Emergency which changes the rules on a lot of things.

Americans are included in the executive order and there will be arrests and all assets of theirs will be seized. Trump will have to the power to stop media propaganda and use the Emergency Broadcasting Network through their airwaves to broadcast truth.

If you listen to a lot of people close to Trump and seen the evidence Sidney Powell has, they say Trump will 100% remain President. So let the electors vote. Congress doesn't have to accept their vote Jan 6th once they see the evidence. Trump doesn't have to accept it. The patriots who volunteered in our military and worked military intelligence have for years watched corruption in Obama's government and the elections he rigged. They watched Biden steal the election. Enough is enough. They are tired of it and finally there is a man powerful enough who's willing to stop it that they can back. They don't want to see our country go down the tubes. They will back Trump should guns be needed to settle disputes.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 13, 2020, 12:25:43 PM
Situation Updates by Mike Adams:

https://naturalnews.com/

Situation Update, Dec. 12th - SCOTUS betrayal allows Trump to invoke military tribunals and Fourteenth Amendment - Note Received some 404 Site Not Available errors likely due to heavy traffic by Patriots looking for reliable info...

https://www.brighteon.com/1aa596c5-5147-4fcd-aaf8-a5611c27bf33

naturalnews and brighten are sources for you? You're the most ill-informed *snip* on the forum.  :'( :'(

So says the blind sheep who believes the Marxists who now control all major sources of information propaganda in the USA.

You don't have a protector to delete responses to your BS over here either.

Can't wait for a Cuffy power response to your nonsense.  :laugh:

Spreading your ignorance as far and wide as possible like a good little "patriot" I see. A cuffy power response? I can't wait for his incoherent response either.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 13, 2020, 12:31:30 PM
Situation Updates by Mike Adams:

https://naturalnews.com/

Situation Update, Dec. 12th - SCOTUS betrayal allows Trump to invoke military tribunals and Fourteenth Amendment - Note Received some 404 Site Not Available errors likely due to heavy traffic by Patriots looking for reliable info...

https://www.brighteon.com/1aa596c5-5147-4fcd-aaf8-a5611c27bf33

naturalnews and brighten are sources for you? You're the most ill-informed *snip* on the forum.  :'( :'(

So says the blind sheep who believes the Marxists who now control all major sources of information propaganda in the USA.

You don't have a protector to delete responses to your BS over here either.

Can't wait for a Cuffy power response to your nonsense.  :laugh:
Need
Spreading your ignorance as far and wide as possible like a good little "patriot" I see. A cuffy power response  :laugh:, I can't wait for his incohernt response either.

The only one attempting to spread ignorance right now is you, the good little slave to the powers that be.

Since you lack critical thinking skills and a modicum of intelligence, you're better off going back to the Stalinist run site.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 13, 2020, 04:12:11 PM
With the intelligence report coming out this week and the US Dept of Treasury taking a big role in seizing assets, a foreign power hacked into the US Treasury and another agency responsible for telecommunications and internet policy. They may want to take a peek to see how we're going to deal with propaganda and who's assets we're targeting. Some people may need to flee the US before the report comes out.

http://www.reuters.com/article/usa-cyber-amazoncom/exclusive-us-treasury-breached-by-hackers-backed-by-foreign-government-sources-idUSL1N2IT0I8
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 13, 2020, 04:19:52 PM
Hmmm who could MHR7 Be....

The Commie formerly known as Moby Ho'in Russia 7 Days a week?

LOLOL  My team of Combat Veterans have formed up Neighborhood Watch teams in our local Rod and Hunt clubs...

Got some new Lazer Sighted Precision Long Range Rifles in and could use some Rooskie Commie Turkeys for Target Practice waiting for the Chinese Red Communists to go full on stupid...

Patriots geared up and ammoed up and SHTF soon...  :evilgrin0002:

PHOCK ALL USA HATING TRAITORS.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-13-situation-update-dec-13th-gen-perna-announces-vaccine-d-day-beginning-of-the-end.html

https://www.brighteon.com/fc65632e-e3c2-4b04-a686-3fe0a274cdae
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 13, 2020, 05:35:58 PM
Hmmm who could MHR7 Be....

The Commie formerly known as Moby Ho'in Russia 7 Days a week?

LOLOL  My team of Combat Veterans have formed up Neighborhood Watch teams in our local Rod and Hunt clubs...

Got some new Lazer Sighted Precision Long Range Rifles in and could use some Rooskie Commie Turkeys for Target Practice waiting for the Chinese Red Communists to go full on stupid...

Patriots geared up and ammoed up and SHTF soon...  :evilgrin0002:

PHOCK ALL USA HATING TRAITORS.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-13-situation-update-dec-13th-gen-perna-announces-vaccine-d-day-beginning-of-the-end.html

https://www.brighteon.com/fc65632e-e3c2-4b04-a686-3fe0a274cdae

Totally incoherent. Thanks cuffy, you didn't disappoint.

CIA assassination squads are active in America, taking out election fraud witnesses.

We are all now living on an active battlefield (CONUS).

Millions of Americans being held as Prisoners of War (POWs) by Democrat governor lockdowns.


Natural News nailed it.  :ROFL:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 13, 2020, 07:23:46 PM
If you guys aren't familiar with the Insurrection act, here it is.

“Whenever the President considers that unlawful obstructions, combinations, or assemblages, or rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impracticable to enforce the laws of the United States in any State by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings, he may call into Federal service such of the militia of any State, and use such of the armed forces, as he considers necessary to enforce those laws or to suppress the rebellion.”

http://welovetrump.com/2020/12/13/the-case-for-invoking-the-insurrection-act-of-1807/


Little over a minute video of Lindsay Graham questioning SCOTUS judge about citizens being tried in military court and judge agreed it can happen.

http://twitter.com/Mile_Voli_Disk0/status/1337563384749895680


Dec 10, 2020 Trump signs order of succession in the case the Secretary of Defense goes down.

Dec 11, 2020 Trump signs executive order giving government employees a day off Christmas eve except for those working in National security and Defense if needed.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/president-trump-quietly-issued-another-executive-order-one-concerning-military/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 13, 2020, 09:32:50 PM
Hmmm who could MHR7 Be....

The Commie formerly known as Moby Ho'in Russia 7 Days a week?

LOLOL  My team of Combat Veterans have formed up Neighborhood Watch teams in our local Rod and Hunt clubs...

Got some new Lazer Sighted Precision Long Range Rifles in and could use some Rooskie Commie Turkeys for Target Practice waiting for the Chinese Red Communists to go full on stupid...

Patriots geared up and ammoed up and SHTF soon...  :evilgrin0002:

PHOCK ALL USA HATING TRAITORS.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-13-situation-update-dec-13th-gen-perna-announces-vaccine-d-day-beginning-of-the-end.html

https://www.brighteon.com/fc65632e-e3c2-4b04-a686-3fe0a274cdae

Totally incoherent. Thanks cuffy, you didn't disappoint.

CIA assassination squads are active in America, taking out election fraud witnesses.

We are all now living on an active battlefield (CONUS).

Millions of Americans being held as Prisoners of War (POWs) by Democrat governor lockdowns.


Natural News nailed it.  :ROFL:

Not at all incoherent. You're just too flat out stupid to comprehend plain English from a Patriot.

When the civil war does come you and your ilk don't stand a chance, unless you learn to shut your pie hole and lie low.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 13, 2020, 10:10:26 PM
Hmmm who could MHR7 Be....

The Commie formerly known as Moby Ho'in Russia 7 Days a week?

LOLOL  My team of Combat Veterans have formed up Neighborhood Watch teams in our local Rod and Hunt clubs...

Got some new Lazer Sighted Precision Long Range Rifles in and could use some Rooskie Commie Turkeys for Target Practice waiting for the Chinese Red Communists to go full on stupid...

Patriots geared up and ammoed up and SHTF soon...  :evilgrin0002:

PHOCK ALL USA HATING TRAITORS.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-13-situation-update-dec-13th-gen-perna-announces-vaccine-d-day-beginning-of-the-end.html

https://www.brighteon.com/fc65632e-e3c2-4b04-a686-3fe0a274cdae

Totally incoherent. Thanks cuffy, you didn't disappoint.

CIA assassination squads are active in America, taking out election fraud witnesses.

We are all now living on an active battlefield (CONUS).

Millions of Americans being held as Prisoners of War (POWs) by Democrat governor lockdowns.


Natural News nailed it.  :ROFL:

Not at all incoherent. You're just too flat out stupid to comprehend plain English from a Patriot.

When the civil war does come you and your ilk don't stand a chance, unless you learn to shut your pie hole and lie low.

There's the full blown crazy I always knew was inside you. The civil war? Between who and who?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 13, 2020, 10:13:45 PM
Hmmm who could MHR7 Be....

The Commie formerly known as Moby Ho'in Russia 7 Days a week?

LOLOL  My team of Combat Veterans have formed up Neighborhood Watch teams in our local Rod and Hunt clubs...

Got some new Lazer Sighted Precision Long Range Rifles in and could use some Rooskie Commie Turkeys for Target Practice waiting for the Chinese Red Communists to go full on stupid...

Patriots geared up and ammoed up and SHTF soon...  :evilgrin0002:

PHOCK ALL USA HATING TRAITORS.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-13-situation-update-dec-13th-gen-perna-announces-vaccine-d-day-beginning-of-the-end.html

https://www.brighteon.com/fc65632e-e3c2-4b04-a686-3fe0a274cdae

Totally incoherent. Thanks cuffy, you didn't disappoint.

CIA assassination squads are active in America, taking out election fraud witnesses.

We are all now living on an active battlefield (CONUS).

Millions of Americans being held as Prisoners of War (POWs) by Democrat governor lockdowns.


Natural News nailed it.  :ROFL:

Not at all incoherent. You're just too flat out stupid to comprehend plain English from a Patriot.

When the civil war does come you and your ilk don't stand a chance, unless you learn to shut your pie hole and lie low.

There's the full blown crazy I always knew was inside you. The civil war? Between who and who?

Dude you are a full-blown frigging complete moron. After all the posts Billy has made for example you haven't learned anything.

Yawn.  :Zzzzsleep:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 13, 2020, 10:51:43 PM
I see, you're backing his craziness. I always thought you were a bit smarter and more creative than Billy but seems I'm wrong. Ok, I'll let you keep playing with the other kids.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on December 13, 2020, 11:05:58 PM
Lets keep it simple.

For what it is worth I read and not only 'main stream' news. The 'stolen election camp' has many theories and unsupported claims. They are just that unsupported and theories. I say dream on.

Yes I suspect there was fraud, but in the end Biden, will be President.

If any think that Trump will invoke some obscure legal/judicial means to remain in power, than there will be shitt storm. I sort of doubt Trump wants that to tarnish his reputation. (For what ever it is worth.)

For all clarity sake yes, I would prefer D. Trump to be President, he lost the election. SO GET OVER IT.

Please lets move on.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 14, 2020, 12:14:44 AM
I sort of doubt Trump wants that to tarnish his reputation. (For what ever it is worth.)


Trump doesn't care about his reputation. He's never been selfish. He lost over a billion dollars serving as our president and he wants to serve some more for the benefit of this nation, not himself. He risks being assassinated for taking the actions he has and for the actions he's about to take. Notice he neutered the CIA recently? The CIA director doesn't get to go to Trump's intel meetings, hasn't been seen in public for over a month and is probably locked up somewhere. When was the last time Trump and VP Pence were seen together in public? Notice Saturday's flyover D.C during the rally he had two Marine One decoy helicopters flying with his?  If Trump doesn't eliminate the corruption, it will only get worse. Our votes won't count and it will be a one party rule and eventually we'll be looking more like Venezuela where life sucks and it would take an armed rebellion to overthrow the government. Trump will come and go but he knows America will continue on without him so he wants to leave it a better place. He will go down in history as one of the greats but he won't if he concedes.


Trump will receive the intelligence report in a few days that he mandated in his 2018 executive order. I know what it's going to say. He will present the intelligence community's findings to the public at a day of his choosing and he will begin to take control. I'm going to predict one of the first things he does is seize the Dominion voting machines, ballots, envelopes with signatures etc.... The judges and election officials can guard them if they think Trump doesn't have a Constitutional right to do so. They should've agreed to be more transparent to begin with if they didn't have anything to hide.

Everybody can continue to believe the media or they can come to the logical conclusion of what is going on with massive ongoing military flights all over America, troop movements and currently there are 6 carriers and their battle groups surrounding America which are more American ships than our enemies have surrounding them combined.

https://news.usni.org/2020/12/07/usni-news-fleet-and-marine-tracker-dec-7-2020
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 14, 2020, 01:09:11 AM
What you've become is just sad, Billy.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 14, 2020, 01:37:33 AM

Your side has been cheating for decades and refuse to be transparent. That's sad. Obama started using the CIA and dominion machines to benefit himself in the 2012 elections. Military intelligence evidence is in the court filings. Anybody can read it. The military intelligence soldiers are tired of watching our corrupt politicians do their thing for years and they now have a man that is powerful enough and willing to do something about it that they can back. Our military will back Trump.

If you watch Trump's body language and listen to how he talks, he doesn't look like a man who's lost an election. If you listen to the people in his inner circle, they say there is massive foreign and domestic fraud in our elections and Trump will 100% be the President on Jan 20. History is about to be made and the World gets to see how real Americans deal with corruption. Are you going to risk your life protecting those voting machines when the military seizes them? Are you willing to risk your life for Joe Biden? Here's Trump this weekend at the Army Navy game. Listen how they cheer for him.

https://twitter.com/dhookstead/status/1337853969306185731
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 14, 2020, 05:08:23 AM
Billy,
CIA Head Gina Hasper has been disappearing for a month already.

A forum netizen guess she may disappear forever under a new identity.  She might have been jailed in Guantánamo Prison.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on December 14, 2020, 06:52:24 AM
...Trump will 100% be the President on Jan 20.

That's quite a big shout to be fair.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 14, 2020, 09:57:56 AM
What you've become is just sad, Billy.

It's not sad or crazy to seek truth and justice for the American people.

If you have an argument then make it on the facts.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 14, 2020, 12:35:39 PM
What you've become is just sad, Billy.

It's not sad or crazy to seek truth and justice for the American people.

If you have an argument then make it on the facts.

You don't know what facts are, conman.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 14, 2020, 01:03:22 PM
What you've become is just sad, Billy.

It's not sad or crazy to seek truth and justice for the American people.

If you have an argument then make it on the facts.

You don't know what facts are, conman.

You came here spewing insults and I see you're determined to continue.

Why don't you prove to us what the facts are.

Prove that for the first time in US election history that 4 or 5 states stopped counting in the evening when Trump had a strong lead and then miraculously over night Biden supposedly had a lead, even though they said they stopped counting.

Prove to us that Philadelphia doesn't have a history of corruption. Prove that Philly didn't cheat and bring in massive amounts of ballots, last minute, nearly all for Biden.

Prove that Dominion didn't count a Trump vote as .70 of a vote, but a Biden vote as 1.3 or higher, per what the crooks needed.

There are highly qualified Attorneys and State representatives working for truth and justice.

All you have done is repeat what your masters tell you, via your fake new sources. You're a wind-up monkey repeating key phrases.

I don't have time for your BS.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 14, 2020, 02:04:35 PM
What you've become is just sad, Billy.

It's not sad or crazy to seek truth and justice for the American people.

If you have an argument then make it on the facts.

You don't know what facts are, conman.

You came here spewing insults and I see you're determined to continue.

Why don't you prove to us what the facts are.

Prove that for the first time in US election history that 4 or 5 states stopped counting in the evening when Trump had a strong lead and then miraculously over night Biden supposedly had a lead, even though they said they stopped counting.

Prove to us that Philadelphia doesn't have a history of corruption. Prove that Philly didn't cheat and bring in massive amounts of ballots, last minute, nearly all for Biden.

Prove that Dominion didn't count a Trump vote as .70 of a vote, but a Biden vote as 1.3 or higher, per what the crooks needed.

There are highly qualified Attorneys and State representatives working for truth and justice.

All you have done is repeat what your masters tell you, via your fake new sources. You're a wind-up monkey repeating key phrases.

I don't have time for your BS.

I can't give any information you'll believe. So, what's the point?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 14, 2020, 03:31:59 PM
Biden went over the 270 mark with the electors without incident. Shoots down any conspiracies related to that.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 14, 2020, 05:33:59 PM
ACTION ACTION ACTION...

Steve Bannon - Keep the Faith, Hold the line, we are WINNING!

4 Swing States GOP legislatures sent slates of GOP Electors for acceptance by the President of the Senate VP Mike Pence!

Bill Barr "I have not seen any evidence"  GONE by Christmas...
https://pandemic.warroom.org/2020/12/14/ep-583-pandemic-exposing-the-nature-of-the-problem-w-maggie-vandenberghe-jack-posobiec-john-fredericks-boris-epshteyn-brian-kennedy/

Holidays Christmas to NYE looking like a good time for CiC Trump to take Massive DoD Anti-Insurrection Act 14A ACTION...

Grab your sox and stand by for the Patriots to save our Country from a CCP Russia invasion...

Scroll through for a number of CCP-Russia BOMBSHELLS:

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-13-communist-china-infiltrated-vaccine-giants-pfizer-astrazeneca-glaxosmithkline.html
Whoa UK OWNED by the CCP and USA not too far behind - Scroll down for multiple videos including lady from Australia News.

Phock You to the Russian disinformation agent known as MHR7

A.K.A Moby Ho'in Russia 7 by 24...
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 14, 2020, 05:57:39 PM
4 Swing States GOP legislatures sent slates of GOP Electors for acceptance by the President of the Senate VP Mike Pence!

This makes no sense, but nothing you write does.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 14, 2020, 08:02:02 PM
...Trump will 100% be the President on Jan 20.

That's quite a big shout to be fair.

Trump, an aide, a House Representitive, ex military personnel, and Trump's attorney's with stellar careers have all said there was a server seized in Frankfurt Germany where our votes were sent to and manipulated by foreign powers and there was also massive voter fraud within America. One can believe it or not. I believe it and if Trump believe's it, he can't consider this election valid and he can't turn over the government to corrupt people. He took an oath to defend the Constitution.

Lincoln was our first Republican President and he wanted to defend the Constitution by freeing the slaves. All men are supposed to be equal but the Democrats didn't think so. Lincoln's policies were taken to court and judges ruled against Lincoln. Lincoln enacted the Insurrection Act and declared Marshal Law. Mobs rounded up corrupt judges, beat them and jailed them.

In conclusion, Trump made a very big charge and he has the evidence so he can't turn the government over to Biden. In a few days, Trump will get an intelligence report from our intelligence agencies. I hope he makes it public. People will be shocked. Shit will hit the fan. Arrests will be made in America and overseas. Trump will still try to win the election in Courts but he may come to realize like Lincoln did, is that he doesn't need the courts to defend the Constitution.


4 Swing States GOP legislatures sent slates of GOP Electors for acceptance by the President of the Senate VP Mike Pence!

This makes no sense, but nothing you write does.

Your fake news doesn't make sense. They don't want you educated so they omit facts. 7 States who are supposed to send Biden electors also send Trump electors. VP Pence counts the electors so who do you think he'll count? Some States have the right to pull certain electors as their is a dispute and Trump could still win in court.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/exclusive-six-swing-states-pa-ga-mi-wi-az-nv-new-mexico-pick-slate-electoral-delegates-president-trump-joe-biden-means/


Finally a judge allows the release of the results of a forensic audit of voting machines in one county in Michigan. The machines ruled over 68% of the ballots had errors and kicked it to election officials to decide what the voter intended to pick as president. Sounds like a recipe for fraud.

https://therightscoop.com/forensic-report-on-dominion-voting-systems-says-antrim-county-should-not-have-been-certified/


Biden announces Smartmatic board chairman to his team. Earlier he appointed big tech executives to his administration. He needs to pay back a lot of people.

https://twitter.com/DonnaWR8/status/1333210040476569601
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 14, 2020, 10:31:25 PM

FBI, Texas Rangers, and U.S. Marshals raid SolarWinds headquarters. Dominion Voting Systems uses their products.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-fbi-texas-rangers-us-marshals-raid-solarwinds-hq-austin/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons


CISA orders all federal civilian agencies to power down their SolarWinds products immediately.

http://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/12/13/cisa-issues-emergency-directive-mitigate-compromise-solarwinds-orion-network
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on December 14, 2020, 11:01:51 PM

FBI, Texas Rangers, and U.S. Marshals raid SolarWinds headquarters. Dominion Voting Systems uses their products.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-fbi-texas-rangers-us-marshals-raid-solarwinds-hq-austin/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons


CISA orders all federal civilian agencies to power down their SolarWinds products immediately.

http://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/12/13/cisa-issues-emergency-directive-mitigate-compromise-solarwinds-orion-network

WOW!

You moan and groan, but Bucko it will be Biden as President next year. Suck it up and move on!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 15, 2020, 01:57:12 AM

FBI, Texas Rangers, and U.S. Marshals raid SolarWinds headquarters. Dominion Voting Systems uses their products.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-fbi-texas-rangers-us-marshals-raid-solarwinds-hq-austin/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons


CISA orders all federal civilian agencies to power down their SolarWinds products immediately.

http://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/12/13/cisa-issues-emergency-directive-mitigate-compromise-solarwinds-orion-network

WOW!

You moan and groan, but Bucko it will be Biden as President next year. Suck it up and move on!


I got $100 saying Trump is going to be President. Do you have $100 saying Biden is going to be President? How confident are you?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 15, 2020, 02:44:03 AM
4 Swing States GOP legislatures sent slates of GOP Electors for acceptance by the President of the Senate VP Mike Pence!
This makes no sense, but nothing you write does.

Your fake news doesn't make sense. They don't want you educated so they omit facts. 7 States who are supposed to send Biden electors also send Trump electors. VP Pence counts the electors so who do you think he'll count? Some States have the right to pull certain electors as their is a dispute and Trump could still win in court.

You're clueless about the electors.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on December 15, 2020, 02:50:46 AM
Considering that Vladimir Putin now also congratulated Biden on winning the election, I think its safe to say Trump lost permanently now. Even if his court-cases continue (and they dont) he won't win the presidency anymore, the best he can hope for is that some people will get punished for cheating but the presidency is now set.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on December 15, 2020, 05:03:01 AM

FBI, Texas Rangers, and U.S. Marshals raid SolarWinds headquarters. Dominion Voting Systems uses their products.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-fbi-texas-rangers-us-marshals-raid-solarwinds-hq-austin/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons


CISA orders all federal civilian agencies to power down their SolarWinds products immediately.

http://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/12/13/cisa-issues-emergency-directive-mitigate-compromise-solarwinds-orion-network

WOW!

You moan and groan, but Bucko it will be Biden as President next year. Suck it up and move on!


I got $100 saying Trump is going to be President. Do you have $100 saying Biden is going to be President? How confident are you?

Sorry, I don't do bets. Though I will hoist a glass to you if you are correct.

If Trump (and it is an IF) Trump wants to leave a historical reputation either he moves to FL/NY or he attempts to hold onto the Presidency. There will be a new decorating crew at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in about 4 weeks is my opinion.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: NS1 on December 15, 2020, 05:46:54 AM
it looks like its a done deal. like it or not.
Trump has scream, kicked and hollered
since day one, I expect he will go out same way.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 15, 2020, 09:44:32 AM
I got $100 saying Trump is going to be President. Do you have $100 saying Biden is going to be President? How confident are you?

I bet US$10,000.

President Trump will swear to the Lord as the 46th USA President on 20th January 2021 on AirForce #1.  By his side, there will be several F-22, F-35A escorting to prevent assassination.  Down the ocean, there is a Flagship Battle Group covering as well.

Cheers.


Lets add a note.  Biden Coup Gang will be jailed in Guamtanamo since 19th January 2021.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 15, 2020, 09:53:25 AM
it looks like its a done deal. like it or not.
Trump has scream, kicked and hollered
since day one, I expect he will go out same way.

Canadian Friend,
Mind your own country more.  Trudeau has used Dominion to win the election.

Canada Invited Communist China To Come To Country To Participate In Military Exercises
Reports By  Ryan Saavedra
Dec 11, 2020

https://www.dailywire.com/news/canada-invited-china-to-participate-in-military-exercises-reports
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 15, 2020, 10:59:26 AM
Also, I suggest sell short of Fackbook and Twister on 20th January 2021.

You may earn Big $$$.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 15, 2020, 12:32:16 PM
Mitch McConnell congratulates Biden as the next president.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 15, 2020, 12:35:59 PM
I got $100 saying Trump is going to be President. Do you have $100 saying Biden is going to be President? How confident are you?

I bet US$10,000.

President Trump will swear to the Lord as the 46th USA President on 20th January 2021 on AirForce #1.  By his side, there will be several F-22, F-35A escorting to prevent assassination.  Down the ocean, there is a Flagship Battle Group covering as well.

Cheers.


Lets add a note.  Biden Coup Gang will be jailed in Guamtanamo since 19th January 2021.

You're willing to bet 10K that all of this will come true?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: NS1 on December 15, 2020, 01:59:00 PM
it looks like its a done deal. like it or not.
Trump has scream, kicked and hollered
since day one, I expect he will go out same way.

Canadian Friend,
Mind your own country more.  Trudeau has used Dominion to win the election.

Canada Invited Communist China To Come To Country To Participate In Military Exercises
Reports By  Ryan Saavedra
Dec 11, 2020

https://www.dailywire.com/news/canada-invited-china-to-participate-in-military-exercises-reports
First off I do. I was not offering commentary on good or bad.
I am not a Biden fan. But the news now tends to be leaning hard that way.

Trust me I would like to see Trudeau gone, sooner than later.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 15, 2020, 02:04:36 PM
Mitch McConnell congratulates Biden as the next president.

(https://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=28325.0;attach=61438;image)
He is expected.  He is part of the Deep State referred to (^^^) by Trump Team.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 15, 2020, 02:09:46 PM
First off I do. I was not offering commentary on good or bad.
I am not a Biden fan. But the news now tends to be leaning hard that way.

Trust me I would like to see Trudeau gone, sooner than later.


It seems that he is also Blue/Gold/Yellow'ed by those ChiNazi Swallow Spies!  ;)
(https://dw-wp-production.imgix.net/2020/12/Trudeau-China-scaled.jpg)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 15, 2020, 02:15:03 PM
The current situation is:
Biden is showing 4 Aces: A A A A on table
 and hiding one more A

Trump is showing: 9 10 Q K
and hide a J.

At the moment they show their last cards, the winner is final.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 15, 2020, 02:42:19 PM
The current situation is:
Biden is showing 4 Aces: A A A A on table
 and hiding one more A

Trump is showing: 9 10 Q K
and hide a J.

At the moment they show their last cards, the winner is final.

You do know 5 of a kind beats a royal flush, right?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 15, 2020, 03:04:48 PM
MHR7 and assorted seditious CCP collaborating traitors...

A CCP bought and paid for TRAITOR and severe national security risk Beijing Biden Traitor Joe and Kommie Heels Up Kamala will NOT be inaugurated EVER ... At least 100 Million MAGA live free or DIE patriots armed with 400+ Million precision hunting rifles and mercy sidearms guarantee it ...

The real news MSM and Big Treason Tech refuse to tell you...

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-15-situation-update-dec-15th-parallel-electors-trump-seize-evidence.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 15, 2020, 05:20:46 PM
MHR7 and assorted seditious CCP collaborating traitors...

A CCP bought and paid for TRAITOR and severe national security risk Beijing Biden Traitor Joe and Kommie Heels Up Kamala will NOT be inaugurated EVER ... At least 100 Million MAGA live free or DIE patriots armed with 400+ Million precision hunting rifles and mercy sidearms guarantee it ...

The real news MSM and Big Treason Tech refuse to tell you...

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-15-situation-update-dec-15th-parallel-electors-trump-seize-evidence.html

 :Zzzzsleep: :Zzzzsleep: :Zzzzsleep: :Zzzzsleep: :Zzzzsleep: :Zzzzsleep: :Zzzzsleep: :Zzzzsleep:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 15, 2020, 06:14:18 PM
it looks like its a done deal. like it or not.
Trump has scream, kicked and hollered
since day one, I expect he will go out same way.

After witnessing the biggest scandal in American history during my lifetime, I think Trump has been calm. Trump tweeted the other day states that certify a fraudulent election are committing a severely punishable crime. That may seem something a sore loser would say to scare the States but it's a real warning people are going to jail if they commit this crime. As a result, 7 States sent alternate electors for Trump. Jan 6 the votes get counted in Congress by Vice President Pence and he doesn't have to count the Biden votes. The media fails to educate people properly and say it's a done deal, Biden wins, nothing more to see here. Have you heard recently media is reporting Hunter underpaid his taxes by $400,000 according to an email on his laptop? Before the election the media claimed the laptop was part of a Russian disinformation campaign. Our media needs an overhaul.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/exclusive-six-swing-states-pa-ga-mi-wi-az-nv-new-mexico-pick-slate-electoral-delegates-president-trump-joe-biden-means/


Investigations on Dominion voting machines just started and more investigations in other states were ordered.

Finally a judge allows the release of the results of a forensic audit of voting machines in one county in Michigan. The machines ruled over 68% of the ballots had errors and kicked it to election officials to decide what the voter intended to pick as president. Sounds like a recipe for fraud.

http://therightscoop.com/forensic-report-on-dominion-voting-systems-says-antrim-county-should-not-have-been-certified/


Here are the findings of the report. They conclude the Dominion voting systems were intentionally designed with errors to conduct election fraud and influence election results. Read page 1

https://www.scribd.com/document/488080093/Antrim-Michigan-Forensics-Report-121320-PRELIMINARY?secret_password=6tgofj7cUYx1kQwElves#from_embed


On page 7 they said this.

"Dominion voting system is a Canadian owned company with global subsidiaries. It is owned by Staple Street Capital which is in turn owned by UBS Securities LLC of which 3 out of their 7 board members are Chinese Nationals. The Dominion software is licensed from Smartmatic which is a Venezuelan owned and controlled company. Dominion Server locations have been determined to be in Serbia, Canada, the US, Spain, and Germany"



In the link below is the actual SEC filing on record for the $400 million that UBS Securities gave Staple Street Capital less than a month before the election.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1827586/000182758620000001/xslFormDX01/primary_doc.xml


In 2019 UBS Securities new owners was Bejing STATE OWNED Assets Management.

Fake news says Dominion has no ties to China but the money trail shows through an SEC filing the Chinese Communist government found a way to get Dominion and it's parent company Staple Street Capital $400 million dollars right before our election.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBS_Securities

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_State-owned_Assets_Management


There will be a new decorating crew at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in about 4 weeks is my opinion.


The inauguration stage is being built right now but Biden already said he will have a virtual inauguration with the Coronavirus being the excuse. Lincoln was not liked by a much of America. The Southern States elected their own president. We may have two presidents too next month.

http://www.americaslibrary.gov/jb/civil/jb_civil_davis_1.html#:~:text=On%20November%206%2C%201861%2C%20Jefferson,for%20a%20six-year%20term.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 15, 2020, 07:27:11 PM
it looks like its a done deal. like it or not.
Trump has scream, kicked and hollered
since day one, I expect he will go out same way.

After witnessing the biggest scandal in American history during my lifetime, I think Trump has been calm. Trump tweeted the other day states that certify a fraudulent election are committing a severely punishable crime. That may seem something a sore loser would say to scare the States but it's a real warning people are going to jail if they commit this crime. As a result, 7 States sent alternate electors for Trump. Jan 6 the votes get counted in Congress by Vice President Pence and he doesn't have to count the Biden votes. The media fails to educate people properly and say it's a done deal, Biden wins, nothing more to see here. Have you heard recently media is reporting Hunter underpaid his taxes by $400,000 according to an email on his laptop? Before the election the media claimed the laptop was part of a Russian disinformation campaign. Our media needs an overhaul.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/exclusive-six-swing-states-pa-ga-mi-wi-az-nv-new-mexico-pick-slate-electoral-delegates-president-trump-joe-biden-means/


Investigations on Dominion voting machines just started and more investigations in other states were ordered.

Finally a judge allows the release of the results of a forensic audit of voting machines in one county in Michigan. The machines ruled over 68% of the ballots had errors and kicked it to election officials to decide what the voter intended to pick as president. Sounds like a recipe for fraud.

http://therightscoop.com/forensic-report-on-dominion-voting-systems-says-antrim-county-should-not-have-been-certified/


Here are the findings of the report. They conclude the Dominion voting systems were intentionally designed with errors to conduct election fraud and influence election results. Read page 1

https://www.scribd.com/document/488080093/Antrim-Michigan-Forensics-Report-121320-PRELIMINARY?secret_password=6tgofj7cUYx1kQwElves#from_embed


On page 7 they said this.

"Dominion voting system is a Canadian owned company with global subsidiaries. It is owned by Staple Street Capital which is in turn owned by UBS Securities LLC of which 3 out of their 7 board members are Chinese Nationals. The Dominion software is licensed from Smartmatic which is a Venezuelan owned and controlled company. Dominion Server locations have been determined to be in Serbia, Canada, the US, Spain, and Germany"



In the link below is the actual SEC filing on record for the $400 million that UBS Securities gave Staple Street Capital less than a month before the election.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1827586/000182758620000001/xslFormDX01/primary_doc.xml


In 2019 UBS Securities new owners was Bejing STATE OWNED Assets Management.

Fake news says Dominion has no ties to China but the money trail shows through an SEC filing the Chinese Communist government found a way to get Dominion and it's parent company Staple Street Capital $400 million dollars right before our election.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UBS_Securities

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_State-owned_Assets_Management


There will be a new decorating crew at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in about 4 weeks is my opinion.


The inauguration stage is being built right now but Biden already said he will have a virtual inauguration with the Coronavirus being the excuse. Lincoln was not liked by a much of America. The Southern States elected their own president. We may have two presidents too next month.

http://www.americaslibrary.gov/jb/civil/jb_civil_davis_1.html#:~:text=On%20November%206%2C%201861%2C%20Jefferson,for%20a%20six-year%20term.

This is all BS Billy. We've been through this. You want to keep lying to yourself, have at it. At noon on Jan. 20th, Trump will be an ex-president.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on December 16, 2020, 01:50:51 AM
The current situation is:
Biden is showing 4 Aces: A A A A on table
 and hiding one more A

Trump is showing: 9 10 Q K
and hide a J.

At the moment they show their last cards, the winner is final.

You do know 5 of a kind beats a royal flush, right?
You're definately not a card-shark are you. There is no 5 of a kind unless you're cheating since a standard deck contains only 4 aces.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 16, 2020, 03:52:16 AM
The current situation is:
Biden is showing 4 Aces: A A A A on table
 and hiding one more A

Trump is showing: 9 10 Q K
and hide a J.

At the moment they show their last cards, the winner is final.

You do know 5 of a kind beats a royal flush, right?
You're definately not a card-shark are you. There is no 5 of a kind unless you're cheating since a standard deck contains only 4 aces.

It's possible if you're playing with wildcards, which is a bit unorthodox.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 16, 2020, 04:43:27 AM
Joe Visconti, chairman of Shakespeare Theatre, Connecticut State
Constitution has gone!  USA is owned by China Communists!

Original English Conversation
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 16, 2020, 04:48:28 AM
More update for today:

Linwood called for upright Americans:
[attachimg=1]


Another Deep State person exposed, who has been Blue/Gold/Yellow'ed by China Commie:
[attachimg=2]
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 16, 2020, 05:19:59 AM
Rehearsal of Defending President Trump Inauguration on 20th January 2021 in AirForce #1; China Communist and Deep State were trying to assassinate President Trump on AirForce #1:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 16, 2020, 08:53:05 AM
Mitch McConnell Received Donations from Voting Machine Lobbyists Before Blocking Election Security Bills

December 16, 2020

https://thespectator.info/2020/12/16/mitch-mcconnell-received-donations-from-voting-machine-lobbyists-before-blocking-election-security-bills/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 16, 2020, 08:55:57 AM
Dominion Lobbyists Paid McConnell Thousands Before He Crushed Election Integrity Bills, Ignored Election Contests

The Senate Majority Leader wouldn't allow a vote on the bills in July last year

Jack Hadfield December 15, 2020

https://nationalfile.com/dominion-lobbyists-paid-mcconnell-thousands-before-he-crushed-election-integrity-bills-ignored-election-contests/

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on December 16, 2020, 10:14:48 AM
"Dominion voting system is a Canadian owned company with global subsidiaries. It is owned by Staple Street Capital which is in turn owned by UBS Securities LLC of which 3 out of their 7 board members are Chinese Nationals. The Dominion software is licensed from Smartmatic which is a Venezuelan owned and controlled company. Dominion Server locations have been determined to be in Serbia, Canada, the US, Spain, and Germany"

It seems somewhat of an oversight to have voting machines that arent designed, built and maintained in the US by trusted companies. The US has the tech to do this, why farm it out to foreign companies?

At the very least, you'd want the servers and any checks and balances in place wholly in the US.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on December 16, 2020, 10:21:06 AM

It seems somewhat of an oversight to have voting machines that arent designed, built and maintained in the US by trusted companies. The US has the tech to do this, why farm it out to foreign companies?

At the very least, you'd want the servers and any checks and balances in place wholly in the US.

The conspiracy theorists contend that the company was chosen specifically because their systems are open to fraud. It was a qualification, not a hindrance.

By the way, what happened about the gun battle between the CIA and FBI? Has cognitive dissonance set in yet among the believers of that fairy tale?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 16, 2020, 11:24:54 AM
"Dominion voting system is a Canadian owned company with global subsidiaries. It is owned by Staple Street Capital which is in turn owned by UBS Securities LLC of which 3 out of their 7 board members are Chinese Nationals. The Dominion software is licensed from Smartmatic which is a Venezuelan owned and controlled company. Dominion Server locations have been determined to be in Serbia, Canada, the US, Spain, and Germany"

It seems somewhat of an oversight to have voting machines that arent designed, built and maintained in the US by trusted companies. The US has the tech to do this, why farm it out to foreign companies?

At the very least, you'd want the servers and any checks and balances in place wholly in the US.

Don't believe a word Billy says.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 16, 2020, 11:27:18 AM
Dominion Lobbyists Paid McConnell Thousands Before He Crushed Election Integrity Bills, Ignored Election Contests

The Senate Majority Leader wouldn't allow a vote on the bills in July last year

Jack Hadfield December 15, 2020

https://nationalfile.com/dominion-lobbyists-paid-mcconnell-thousands-before-he-crushed-election-integrity-bills-ignored-election-contests/

Loyalman, national file is a tin foil hat website. They have no credibility.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 16, 2020, 12:35:30 PM

It seems somewhat of an oversight to have voting machines that arent designed, built and maintained in the US by trusted companies. The US has the tech to do this, why farm it out to foreign companies?

At the very least, you'd want the servers and any checks and balances in place wholly in the US.

The conspiracy theorists contend that the company was chosen specifically because their systems are open to fraud. It was a qualification, not a hindrance.

By the way, what happened about the gun battle between the CIA and FBI? Has cognitive dissonance set in yet among the believers of that fairy tale?

In Frankfurt's CIA's territory, CIA and President Trump's USA Special Army encountered and shot at each other.  President Trump's Troop finally controlled the server farm.  5 USA soldiers sacrificed for the sake of our Free World.  One CIA officer is dead.  All hired military personnels, which were trained and hired from Afghanistan to guard the servers by CIA, were eradicated altogether and no more live left.

The present CIA Head Gin Hasper has disappeared for a whole month.  She is suspected to have turned into a Tainted Witness and is being jailed and protected in Guantánamo Prison.  She may disappear forever with a new identity.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 16, 2020, 01:01:23 PM

It seems somewhat of an oversight to have voting machines that arent designed, built and maintained in the US by trusted companies. The US has the tech to do this, why farm it out to foreign companies?

At the very least, you'd want the servers and any checks and balances in place wholly in the US.

The conspiracy theorists contend that the company was chosen specifically because their systems are open to fraud. It was a qualification, not a hindrance.

By the way, what happened about the gun battle between the CIA and FBI? Has cognitive dissonance set in yet among the believers of that fairy tale?

Democrats chose the companies because the systems could be exploited. If you don't think guns were involved, do tell us where CIA director Gina Haspel is. She is not fired but Trump doesn't invite her to his intelligence meetings. She hasn't been seen in public for over a month and she is not a spy, but a public figure to be seen in public running the spy agency. Trump also neutered the CIA after the servers were seized.


"Dominion voting system is a Canadian owned company with global subsidiaries. It is owned by Staple Street Capital which is in turn owned by UBS Securities LLC of which 3 out of their 7 board members are Chinese Nationals. The Dominion software is licensed from Smartmatic which is a Venezuelan owned and controlled company. Dominion Server locations have been determined to be in Serbia, Canada, the US, Spain, and Germany"

It seems somewhat of an oversight to have voting machines that arent designed, built and maintained in the US by trusted companies. The US has the tech to do this, why farm it out to foreign companies?

At the very least, you'd want the servers and any checks and balances in place wholly in the US.

Dominion has an office in America and their headquarters is in Canada. They are backed by American politicians and States control what they purchase for elections, not the federal government. It is coming out Dominion gave kickbacks to State politicians to buy their products. Dominion handles 1/3rd of Americas vote and are in enough counties in enough States to adequately rig elections. Nobody thought about digging in to deep into how their machines worked and the software they used until Trump. They use Smartmatic software which is owned by Venezuelans and it is now discovered they use Solarwind for a monitoring system. Scytl servers were seized in Germany that the CIA uses to rig elections. Scytl does work on many European elections. After this gets exposed over here, you guys may want to look at your election machines. There will be an intel report coming out this week. It is predicted to be explosive and it's expected Trump will take action after it's release. Trump can't be turning over our government to corrupt people or allowing our nation to continue forward with rigged elections because Biden wont' do anything about it.

Pentagon does an immediate emergency shutdown of all it's routers due to using SolarWind products which Dominion also uses after SolarWinds headquarters were raided by the FBI, U.S. Marshals and Texas Rangers.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/pentagon-imposes-emergency-shutdown-secret-internet-protocol-router-network-handles-classified-information-secret-level/

SolarWinds ties to Obama, Clintons, and China.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-exclusive-owners-solarwinds-related-obama-clintons-china-hong-kong-us-election-process/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 16, 2020, 01:09:04 PM
Dominion Lobbyists Paid McConnell Thousands Before He Crushed Election Integrity Bills, Ignored Election Contests

The Senate Majority Leader wouldn't allow a vote on the bills in July last year

Jack Hadfield December 15, 2020

https://nationalfile.com/dominion-lobbyists-paid-mcconnell-thousands-before-he-crushed-election-integrity-bills-ignored-election-contests/

Loyalman, national file is a tin foil hat website. They have no credibility.

They have no credibility with muppets and trolls like you

Read the article and then prove what they say to be false. For example, prove this is false:

Quote

"David Cohen and Brian Wild, both of lobbyist Brownstein Hyatt Farber Schreck, who lobbied for Dominion in 2019, donated $2,000 and $1,000 respectively to the McConnell campaign funds. And around the same time, Emily Kirlin and Jen Olson, who have lobbied for ES&S, also donated $1,000 each."
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 16, 2020, 01:15:28 PM
A Libertarian who voted for Jo Jorgensen and who was a US Postal Service contract  employee in Wisconsin explains how USPS employees threw away Trump ballots.

           
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 16, 2020, 01:18:33 PM
Nevada election fraud explained in Congress.

             
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: tfcrew on December 16, 2020, 02:32:14 PM
 :thumbsup:
It seems somewhat of an oversight to have voting machines that arent designed, built and maintained in the US by trusted companies. The US has the tech to do this, why farm it out to foreign companies?
At the very least, you'd want the servers and any checks and balances in place wholly in the US.
:thumbsup: But an "oversight" or a complete lack of vision?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 16, 2020, 02:32:48 PM

It seems somewhat of an oversight to have voting machines that arent designed, built and maintained in the US by trusted companies. The US has the tech to do this, why farm it out to foreign companies?

At the very least, you'd want the servers and any checks and balances in place wholly in the US.

The conspiracy theorists contend that the company was chosen specifically because their systems are open to fraud. It was a qualification, not a hindrance.

By the way, what happened about the gun battle between the CIA and FBI? Has cognitive dissonance set in yet among the believers of that fairy tale?

Democrats chose the companies because the systems could be exploited. If you don't think guns were involved, do tell us where CIA director Gina Haspel is. She is not fired but Trump doesn't invite her to his intelligence meetings. She hasn't been seen in public for over a month and she is not a spy, but a public figure to be seen in public running the spy agency. Trump also neutered the CIA after the servers were seized.


"Dominion voting system is a Canadian owned company with global subsidiaries. It is owned by Staple Street Capital which is in turn owned by UBS Securities LLC of which 3 out of their 7 board members are Chinese Nationals. The Dominion software is licensed from Smartmatic which is a Venezuelan owned and controlled company. Dominion Server locations have been determined to be in Serbia, Canada, the US, Spain, and Germany"

It seems somewhat of an oversight to have voting machines that arent designed, built and maintained in the US by trusted companies. The US has the tech to do this, why farm it out to foreign companies?

At the very least, you'd want the servers and any checks and balances in place wholly in the US.

Dominion has an office in America and their headquarters is in Canada. They are backed by American politicians and States control what they purchase for elections, not the federal government. It is coming out Dominion gave kickbacks to State politicians to buy their products. Dominion handles 1/3rd of Americas vote and are in enough counties in enough States to adequately rig elections. Nobody thought about digging in to deep into how their machines worked and the software they used until Trump. They use Smartmatic software which is owned by Venezuelans and it is now discovered they use Solarwind for a monitoring system. Scytl servers were seized in Germany that the CIA uses to rig elections. Scytl does work on many European elections. After this gets exposed over here, you guys may want to look at your election machines. There will be an intel report coming out this week. It is predicted to be explosive and it's expected Trump will take action after it's release. Trump can't be turning over our government to corrupt people or allowing our nation to continue forward with rigged elections because Biden wont' do anything about it.

Pentagon does an immediate emergency shutdown of all it's routers due to using SolarWind products which Dominion also uses after SolarWinds headquarters were raided by the FBI, U.S. Marshals and Texas Rangers.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/pentagon-imposes-emergency-shutdown-secret-internet-protocol-router-network-handles-classified-information-secret-level/

SolarWinds ties to Obama, Clintons, and China.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-exclusive-owners-solarwinds-related-obama-clintons-china-hong-kong-us-election-process/

Thanks for funny farm report Billy. Still waiting for that server in Germany to make an appearance. Dominion and Smartmatic are still competitors, they don't share software.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 16, 2020, 02:35:27 PM
All of this legal maneuvering is really just Classic Trump rattling shiny objects in front of the press as a distraction ... If Rudy or Sidney can get the SCOTUS Conservacucks to take up a case then fine.

However ancient wisdom such as illustrated in The Prince by Niccolo Machiavelli describes the methodologies by which a Man (Prince or Modern day CEO) must execute strategies to both gain and then Maintain Power - Is it better to be loved or feared? Since men and women love at their own fickle whims and tingles - but Fear at the actions of their leaders - a wise Prince (CEO/POTUS) must employ the tactics of fear as this is the only strategy he controls completely - think small carrots but bigger sticks. Then per General Sun Tsu; When planning a major strategic move you must keep your plans as dark and impenetrable and Night and when you move you must move like Lighting.

Military logistics and Air/Land activity regarding Covid Vaccines distribution are another convenient distraction for larger actions.

Overwatch reports Special Forces major Global Lockdown for 10 days+/- in the Dec 18 to 24 window - or alternately Jan 2nd to 6th timeframe.

At this point the Lawyers are just educating the Patriot faithful on the truth and evidence of the illegally stolen election to bolster their strong support.

To save the Republic from the EVIL plans of the Beijing Biden-Obama-Clinton-Harris CCP allied criminal TRAITORS - Trump's only options are the Ancient Wisdom options that he controls as CiC; Anti-Insurrection Act combined with the 14th Amendment and NDAA/Marshal Law.

So stock up now and be prepared for at least 90 days supply chain interruptions beginning with a 10 Day shelter in place Global Lockdown.

I expect SAC to track Santa as usual to impart a sense of Christmas normalcy while the loyal Patriot White Hats in the DoD and Fed Agencies are in full Stealth Hammer mode.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 16, 2020, 02:49:26 PM


Another Deep State person exposed, who has been Blue/Gold/Yellow'ed by China Commie:


(Attachment Link)

I don't buy that Mitch McConnell, the 4th most powerful politician in D.C. is Deep State. He had to congratulate Biden because he had to make a deal with the Democrats on a Coronavirus Stimulus package that is way overdue. No need to rock the boat in the 11th hour by insulting Biden. Like Gina Haspel, Mitch is from Kentucky and they know each other. After Gina was arrested in Frankfurt and brought back to the USA, the last person the media reported her seeing was Mitch McConnell in a secret unscheduled meeting. The media speculated she was to be fired. Mitch couldn't see her if Trump didn't want him to. A few days later the media noticed she wasn't invited to Trump's intel meeting. That's the last we heard of her.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 16, 2020, 02:51:13 PM
Dominion Lobbyists Paid McConnell Thousands Before He Crushed Election Integrity Bills, Ignored Election Contests

The Senate Majority Leader wouldn't allow a vote on the bills in July last year

Jack Hadfield December 15, 2020

https://nationalfile.com/dominion-lobbyists-paid-mcconnell-thousands-before-he-crushed-election-integrity-bills-ignored-election-contests/

Loyalman, national file is a tin foil hat website. They have no credibility.

They have no credibility with muppets and trolls like you

Read the article and then prove what they say to be false. For example, prove this is false:

Quote

"David Cohen and Brian Wild, both of lobbyist Brownstein Hyatt Farber Schreck, who lobbied for Dominion in 2019, donated $2,000 and $1,000 respectively to the McConnell campaign funds. And around the same time, Emily Kirlin and Jen Olson, who have lobbied for ES&S, also donated $1,000 each."

Yeah, lobbyists donate money, BFD. It's their job and McConnell is always at the top of the list in lobbyist donations. You think $3000 and $2000 is going to get some kind of favor done by a man who annually receives $500,000+ in donations? Dominion and ES&S are competitors, both were probably trying to have some influence on which machines Kentucky used. Dominion wasn't used in Kentucky.  Or they could have donated money for some very different reason.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 16, 2020, 05:13:54 PM
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-16-situation-update-dec-16th-epic-counterattack-readied-against-cyber-pearl-harbor.html

Situation Update, Dec. 16th – Epic counterattack readied against “Cyber Pearl Harbor”

Highlights:

Results of Dominion Voting Systems forensic audit concludes the machines are deliberately designed to alter votes through artificially high error rates followed by manual adjudication (fixing) of ballots.

Dominion machines were set to a 68% error rate in Antrim County, and then a 70% error rate in Clark County, Nevada, now showing two counties involved in the criminal election rigging and theft.

Trump knows this “Cyber Pearl Harbor” is bigger than 9/11.

Mitch McConnell goes “full RINO” and tells other Senators to accept the Biden electoral votes on Jan. 6th.

President Trump accuses Dominion machines of producing “fake election.”

Sidney Powell calls for every Dominion voting machine to be seized and forensically audited.

57% of Republicans believe Trump victory still likely through court action.

Wisconsin Supreme Court renders decision about voter ID on special ballots, effectively throwing 200,000 votes into dispute. (This is how Trump wins Wisconsin.)

Trump accuses Michigan Secretary of State of criminal misconduct.

Details about the SolarWinds hack and the CISA Emergency Directive 21-01.

GOP Chairperson of AZ says GOP electoral votes are the “legally cast votes” for the state.

How a Jan. 6th “contingent election” is likely to turn out.

Prather says Trump will wait until the very last minute to invoke the Insurrection Act.

Trump could nullify all U.S. national debt owed to China, over China’s use of biological weapons and cyber warfare against America.

Lin Wood tells Americans to prepare, seemingly about getting ready for troops in the streets.

The Fourteenth Amendment allows Trump to strip electors from public office if they violate their oaths of office and support rebellion or insurrection. This means Trump could instantly win the Jan. 6th electoral votes by simply invoking the Fourteenth Amendment before that day.

Lin Wood says GA Gov. Kemp and Sec. of State Raffensperger will soon be going to jail.

The AMA rescinds its attacks on hydroxychloroquine. It was all a sham to get vaccines approved under “emergency authorization.”

Veterans Affairs wants to vaccinate black veterans first, because it’s always blacks who are used in medical experiments.

GOP Representative calls for Pelosi to vaccinate all lawmakers. We say YES! Triple vaccinate them!

On MSNBC, Dr. Gupta says even after you get a vaccine, you still can’t travel, you might get infected, and you have to wear a mask. Seriously WTF?

Jeff Rosen in at the DOJ. Richard Donoghue moves up into deputy position. Huge implications.

Former FBI official pleads guilty to receiving bribes.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 16, 2020, 09:55:17 PM
As many of you know, Trump fired the Secretary and undersecretary of Defense after the election. Right before Thanksgiving, he also fired a lot of people on the Defense Policy board which included Henry Kissinger and Madeline Albright. This is the civilian board that gives the Pentagon recommendations. Trump has fired a lot of people lately and installed people who would be loyal to him. It's been said Trump was too nice of a guy and should've fired a lot of Obama holdovers earlier. He's not messing around now and needs people loyal to him to make a smooth transition into his 2nd term. Newt Gingrich is one of the new people on the Defense Policy Board.

https://news.yahoo.com/newt-gingrich-loyalists-tapped-defense-191855794.html


Director of National Intelligence said Iran, Russia, and China were involved with interfering with our elections. The report due December 18th has been delayed until January. Reason given was because 17 Intelligence agencies need more time to compile the final report that will be presented to the public. I believe Trump wants it delayed so people will have a peaceful Christmas and because Jan 6 will be the moment he won the election so he doesn't need to invoke the Insurrection Act before Jan 6. After Jan 6, all hell will break loose.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-catherine-herridge-reports-dni-john-ratcliffe-confirmed-foreign-election-interference-china-iran-russia-november-video/


Earlier I mentioned 7 States sent dual electors to vote Dec 14th and it was ruled Biden won but the actual vote count is Jan 6th in Congress and the count is performed by VP Pence. Also a member of Congress can contest the count and a process will happen that will lead to Trump being declared the winner. An Arizona State House Rep and elector explains it much better than I can. If anybody doubts Trump is going to win, this is how he'll do it without the courts or military. Because dual electors were sent, this becomes the most likely scenario for Trump to win. Too bad our media can't educate us properly and as a result, most of the world falsely thinks Biden is President elect.


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 16, 2020, 11:04:20 PM
Earlier I mentioned 7 States sent dual electors to vote Dec 14th and it was ruled Biden won but the actual vote count is Jan 6th in Congress and the count is performed by VP Pence. Also a member of Congress can contest the count and a process will happen that will lead to Trump being declared the winner. An Arizona State House Rep and elector explains it much better than I can. If anybody doubts Trump is going to win, this is how he'll do it without the courts or military. Because dual electors were sent, this becomes the most likely scenario for Trump to win. Too bad our media can't educate us properly and as a result, most of the world falsely thinks Biden is President elect.

Neither you nor the idiot in the video understand the process that takes place on Jan. 6th. Trust me, on that day Biden will get his 306 electoral votes.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 17, 2020, 12:13:59 AM
Jan. 6th. Trust me, on that day Biden will get his 306 electoral votes.


You're right that Biden currently doesn't have 306 electoral votes which means he's not president elect as the media falsely advertises.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 17, 2020, 01:13:03 AM
Jan. 6th. Trust me, on that day Biden will get his 306 electoral votes.


You're right that Biden currently doesn't have 306 electoral votes which means he's not president elect as the media falsely advertises.

You can either chose to do a little research or to remain ignorant and look like a fool. I've said this before and you always go for the latter.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on December 17, 2020, 01:57:42 AM
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9840583269
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 17, 2020, 02:13:56 AM


Another Deep State person exposed, who has been Blue/Gold/Yellow'ed by China Commie:

I don't buy that Mitch McConnell, the 4th most powerful politician in D.C. is Deep State. He had to congratulate Biden because he had to make a deal with the Democrats on a Coronavirus Stimulus package that is way overdue. No need to rock the boat in the 11th hour by insulting Biden. Like Gina Haspel, Mitch is from Kentucky and they know each other. After Gina was arrested in Frankfurt and brought back to the USA, the last person the media reported her seeing was Mitch McConnell in a secret unscheduled meeting. The media speculated she was to be fired. Mitch couldn't see her if Trump didn't want him to. A few days later the media noticed she wasn't invited to Trump's intel meeting. That's the last we heard of her.

Billy,
I heard this from a Chinese source without English reference.

Mitch McConnell's father-in-law, her wife's father, was schoolmate with ChiNazi's ex-Chairman Jiang Zhe Ming.  Mitch McConnell received a US$30 million "gift" from his father-in-law some years ago.
Also, his wife's family runs a company receiving business from ChiNazi's companies including some military companies.


For your reference, China Commie has studied free world's laws very thoroughly. They know how to use grey area to bribe officers.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 17, 2020, 02:23:45 AM
57% of Republicans believe Trump victory still likely through court action.

American Friends,
According to ancient military wisdom, it is called "sound like from east side, but attack from west side".

Cheers.

I still trust Pompeo. He is loyal to USA.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on December 17, 2020, 08:43:41 AM
Earlier I mentioned 7 States sent dual electors to vote Dec 14th and it was ruled Biden won but the actual vote count is Jan 6th in Congress and the count is performed by VP Pence. Also a member of Congress can contest the count and a process will happen that will lead to Trump being declared the winner. An Arizona State House Rep and elector explains it much better than I can. If anybody doubts Trump is going to win, this is how he'll do it without the courts or military. Because dual electors were sent, this becomes the most likely scenario for Trump to win. Too bad our media can't educate us properly and as a result, most of the world falsely thinks Biden is President elect.

Neither you nor the idiot in the video understand the process that takes place on Jan. 6th. Trust me, on that day Biden will get his 306 electoral votes.

 So you are saying you know better than an Arizona house member?

 Congressman Jim Jordan is saying the same thing...


 This same thing happened in 2000, except no senators backed it. You need one house member and one senate member to object to the electors given, Jordan is going to object and I am pretty sure that at least Cruz will this time around. And according to what I understand when congress votes on it each State gets a vote, not each member. And with the Repubs having more States then the Dems the only way Trump would lose is if enough Repub States vote against him. Which I cannot see happening.

 I really don't know for sure, so if you say it won't happen then tell us why. Show us that Billy is wrong instead of just saying he is.   :coffeeread:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on December 17, 2020, 08:49:55 AM
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9840583269


 Sorry, but I am going to pass on believing the AP fact checks after seeing their shady Anti Trump history...

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/11/09/ap-reporters-colluded-with-fbi-against-president/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 17, 2020, 12:11:17 PM
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9840583269


 Sorry, but I am going to pass on believing the AP fact checks after seeing their shady Anti Trump history...

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/11/09/ap-reporters-colluded-with-fbi-against-president/

Moby-lite will be along shortly and claim the Boston Herald is a conspiracy site.  :laugh:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 17, 2020, 12:14:39 PM
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9840583269

You know how I feel about liberal media's propaganda arm called "Fact Checking". Justice Ginsberg said Jan 6th is the important day for electors being certified. For example Michigan Representatives can say they want their Trump electors certified instead of their Biden electors. Anyway your fact check says the claim is "partially false" which means they admit it's "partially true".

How did fact checking work on Trump Russia collusion or Hunter's laptop before the election? Did they rule that laptop is 'Russia disinformation' or the real thing? You've been lied to for years yet you keep going back to the same liars to get educated.


Mitch McConnell's father-in-law, her wife's father, was schoolmate with ChiNazi's ex-Chairman Jiang Zhe Ming.  Mitch McConnell received a US$30 million "gift" from his father-in-law some years ago.


Some parents want to take good care of their kids no strings attached. Mitch McConnell was attacked a lot by the Democrats and they put a lot of money before the election to get his opponent elected. They really don't like him. Mitch was a key player in getting a record number of judges seated for Trump. I'm not convinced he's deep state. I don't mind him congratulating Biden so he can get a Stimulus package passed. Trump didn't hammer on him like he done other Republicans for congratulating Biden.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Danchik on December 17, 2020, 12:31:37 PM
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9840583269


 Sorry, but I am going to pass on believing the AP fact checks after seeing their shady Anti Trump history...

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/11/09/ap-reporters-colluded-with-fbi-against-president/
Very easy to find anything to support your personal narrative. AP is MSM, so hardly trusting.

I'm with you here, but the view from this angle is that Biden will be President. The Democrats have become the biggest danger to the citizens of America and yet most Dem supporters can't see beyond their collective noses.  Any partisan Dem here should read Listen Liberal by Thomas Frank instead of regurgitating MSM talking points.

Just for the record, I'm not that big of a Trump supporter,  but he has done some good things and some things I don't agree with. One thing is clear, you can't trust the Dems. I never got the "hate" for Trump from many of his detractors. Most of it seems emotionally void of facts.

I think Biden will be President because the Dems are that corrupt and they simply don't care as long as they get their way.


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 17, 2020, 01:28:10 PM
Earlier I mentioned 7 States sent dual electors to vote Dec 14th and it was ruled Biden won but the actual vote count is Jan 6th in Congress and the count is performed by VP Pence. Also a member of Congress can contest the count and a process will happen that will lead to Trump being declared the winner. An Arizona State House Rep and elector explains it much better than I can. If anybody doubts Trump is going to win, this is how he'll do it without the courts or military. Because dual electors were sent, this becomes the most likely scenario for Trump to win. Too bad our media can't educate us properly and as a result, most of the world falsely thinks Biden is President elect.

Neither you nor the idiot in the video understand the process that takes place on Jan. 6th. Trust me, on that day Biden will get his 306 electoral votes.

 So you are saying you know better than an Arizona house member?

 Congressman Jim Jordan is saying the same thing...


 This same thing happened in 2000, except no senators backed it. You need one house member and one senate member to object to the electors given, Jordan is going to object and I am pretty sure that at least Cruz will this time around. And according to what I understand when congress votes on it each State gets a vote, not each member. And with the Repubs having more States then the Dems the only way Trump would lose is if enough Repub States vote against him. Which I cannot see happening.

 I really don't know for sure, so if you say it won't happen then tell us why. Show us that Billy is wrong instead of just saying he is.   :coffeeread:

It happens just exactly as the ap fact check explains. Pence doesn't chose anything and for an objection to a state's electoral vote to succeed, it takes both the senate and house to agree on it. The house is controlled by democrats so any objection won't succeed. Biden will get his 306. That's the gist of it.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 17, 2020, 01:46:05 PM
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9840583269
Sorry, but I am going to pass on believing the AP fact checks after seeing their shady Anti Trump history...

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/11/09/ap-reporters-colluded-with-fbi-against-president/
If you don't trust the ap, go to an independent or government site and read about the process.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 17, 2020, 02:04:18 PM
Russia just cyber attacked the US government. Where is Trump? Is he doing anything? Saying anything? No. He's still pouting because of his loss. Same with covid, where is he? This why he is soon to be a former president.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on December 17, 2020, 02:33:43 PM
Russia just cyber attacked the US government. Where is Trump? Is he doing anything? Saying anything? No. He's still pouting because of his loss. Same with covid, where is he? This why he is soon to be a former president.

Did you run that past your trusted fact checking sites? The LP or MSNBC. Your obvious talents as a useful idiot knows no boundaries
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 17, 2020, 02:47:03 PM
Russia just cyber attacked the US government. Where is Trump? Is he doing anything? Saying anything? No. He's still pouting because of his loss. Same with covid, where is he? This why he is soon to be a former president.

Did you run that past your trusted fact checking sites? The LP or MSNBC. Your obvious talents as a useful idiot knows no boundaries
Please enlighten me.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on December 17, 2020, 03:10:21 PM
Russia just cyber attacked the US government. Where is Trump? Is he doing anything? Saying anything? No. He's still pouting because of his loss. Same with covid, where is he? This why he is soon to be a former president.

Did you run that past your trusted fact checking sites? The LP or MSNBC. Your obvious talents as a useful idiot knows no boundaries
Please enlighten me.

That would be like teaching a pig to sing. It's impossible to do and only annoys the pig
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 17, 2020, 03:28:55 PM
Russia just cyber attacked the US government. Where is Trump? Is he doing anything? Saying anything? No. He's still pouting because of his loss. Same with covid, where is he? This why he is soon to be a former president.

Did you run that past your trusted fact checking sites? The LP or MSNBC. Your obvious talents as a useful idiot knows no boundaries
Please enlighten me.

That would be like teaching a pig to sing. It's impossible to do and only annoys the pig

All talk and nothing of substance, again.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 17, 2020, 03:34:14 PM
Russia just cyber attacked the US government. Where is Trump? Is he doing anything? Saying anything? No. He's still pouting because of his loss. Same with covid, where is he? This why he is soon to be a former president.

Did you run that past your trusted fact checking sites? The LP or MSNBC. Your obvious talents as a useful idiot knows no boundaries

        :ROFL:           :ROFL:             :ROFL:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 17, 2020, 03:36:57 PM
Russia just cyber attacked the US government. Where is Trump? Is he doing anything? Saying anything? No. He's still pouting because of his loss. Same with covid, where is he? This why he is soon to be a former president.

Did you run that past your trusted fact checking sites? The LP or MSNBC. Your obvious talents as a useful idiot knows no boundaries
Please enlighten me.

That would be like teaching a pig to sing. It's impossible to do and only annoys the pig

All talk and nothing of substance, again.

That's the story of your life on this forum recently. Throw out some insults and bogus accusations about alternative media, then throw your arms up when asked to prove any of your claims.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 17, 2020, 03:40:35 PM
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9840583269


 Sorry, but I am going to pass on believing the AP fact checks after seeing their shady Anti Trump history...

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/11/09/ap-reporters-colluded-with-fbi-against-president/
Very easy to find anything to support your personal narrative. AP is MSM, so hardly trusting.

I'm with you here, but the view from this angle is that Biden will be President. The Democrats have become the biggest danger to the citizens of America and yet most Dem supporters can't see beyond their collective noses.  Any partisan Dem here should read Listen Liberal by Thomas Frank instead of regurgitating MSM talking points.

Just for the record, I'm not that big of a Trump supporter,  but he has done some good things and some things I don't agree with. One thing is clear, you can't trust the Dems. I never got the "hate" for Trump from many of his detractors. Most of it seems emotionally void of facts.

I think Biden will be President because the Dems are that corrupt and they simply don't care as long as they get their way.

I think you're right Biden will likely be President.

He will serve one term and then Republicans will take back the country.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 17, 2020, 03:45:01 PM
Russia just cyber attacked the US government. Where is Trump? Is he doing anything? Saying anything? No. He's still pouting because of his loss. Same with covid, where is he? This why he is soon to be a former president.

Did you run that past your trusted fact checking sites? The LP or MSNBC. Your obvious talents as a useful idiot knows no boundaries
Please enlighten me.

That would be like teaching a pig to sing. It's impossible to do and only annoys the pig

All talk and nothing of substance, again.

That's the story of your life on this forum recently. Throw out some insults and bogus accusations about alternative media, then throw your arms up when asked to prove any of your claims.

What claims haven't I proven? Where's the civil war? What about the camps where people have been rounded up? Where's the server seized from Germany? Where's the big Supreme Court win by the "kraken"? I've been waiting and waiting and waiting.....
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on December 17, 2020, 03:45:44 PM
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9840583269


 Sorry, but I am going to pass on believing the AP fact checks after seeing their shady Anti Trump history...

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/11/09/ap-reporters-colluded-with-fbi-against-president/
Very easy to find anything to support your personal narrative. AP is MSM, so hardly trusting.

I'm with you here, but the view from this angle is that Biden will be President. The Democrats have become the biggest danger to the citizens of America and yet most Dem supporters can't see beyond their collective noses.  Any partisan Dem here should read Listen Liberal by Thomas Frank instead of regurgitating MSM talking points.

Just for the record, I'm not that big of a Trump supporter,  but he has done some good things and some things I don't agree with. One thing is clear, you can't trust the Dems. I never got the "hate" for Trump from many of his detractors. Most of it seems emotionally void of facts.

I think Biden will be President because the Dems are that corrupt and they simply don't care as long as they get their way.

I think you're right Biden will likely be President.

He will serve one term and then Republicans will take back the country.

The way I see it, if this fraudulent election is allowed to stand and Biden enters the White House, there won't be any taking back the country IMHO. The country won't last 4 years and the integrity of the election will be like every other banana republic and communist country. Trump must win or the constitution is dead
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on December 17, 2020, 04:39:15 PM
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9840583269


 Sorry, but I am going to pass on believing the AP fact checks after seeing their shady Anti Trump history...

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/11/09/ap-reporters-colluded-with-fbi-against-president/
Very easy to find anything to support your personal narrative. AP is MSM, so hardly trusting.

I'm with you here, but the view from this angle is that Biden will be President. The Democrats have become the biggest danger to the citizens of America and yet most Dem supporters can't see beyond their collective noses.  Any partisan Dem here should read Listen Liberal by Thomas Frank instead of regurgitating MSM talking points.

Just for the record, I'm not that big of a Trump supporter,  but he has done some good things and some things I don't agree with. One thing is clear, you can't trust the Dems. I never got the "hate" for Trump from many of his detractors. Most of it seems emotionally void of facts.

I think Biden will be President because the Dems are that corrupt and they simply don't care as long as they get their way.

I think you're right Biden will likely be President.

He will serve one term and then Republicans will take back the country.

I am not as negative as Faux Pas.

Certainly Confederate, I hope you are right, I have noted the same before.

The Republican party needs to embrace those who supported D. Trump as well as build a few possible presidential contenders. As I have noted before M. Pence and R. Paul as VP would be first choice.

There is an interesting statistic emerging, on a broad spectrum urban Latino voters for Trump were a large percentage. Why?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on December 17, 2020, 06:05:49 PM
Earlier I mentioned 7 States sent dual electors to vote Dec 14th and it was ruled Biden won but the actual vote count is Jan 6th in Congress and the count is performed by VP Pence. Also a member of Congress can contest the count and a process will happen that will lead to Trump being declared the winner. An Arizona State House Rep and elector explains it much better than I can. If anybody doubts Trump is going to win, this is how he'll do it without the courts or military. Because dual electors were sent, this becomes the most likely scenario for Trump to win. Too bad our media can't educate us properly and as a result, most of the world falsely thinks Biden is President elect.

Neither you nor the idiot in the video understand the process that takes place on Jan. 6th. Trust me, on that day Biden will get his 306 electoral votes.

 So you are saying you know better than an Arizona house member?

 Congressman Jim Jordan is saying the same thing...


 This same thing happened in 2000, except no senators backed it. You need one house member and one senate member to object to the electors given, Jordan is going to object and I am pretty sure that at least Cruz will this time around. And according to what I understand when congress votes on it each State gets a vote, not each member. And with the Repubs having more States then the Dems the only way Trump would lose is if enough Repub States vote against him. Which I cannot see happening.

 I really don't know for sure, so if you say it won't happen then tell us why. Show us that Billy is wrong instead of just saying he is.   :coffeeread:

It happens just exactly as the ap fact check explains. Pence doesn't chose anything and for an objection to a state's electoral vote to succeed, it takes both the senate and house to agree on it. The house is controlled by democrats so any objection won't succeed. Biden will get his 306. That's the gist of it.

 I have read otherwise, that it doesn't matter if the Dems have the house, it's a one State one vote procedure. Like this article explains..

https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/verify-when-are-electoral-votes-cast-and-counted-what-if-congress-doesnt-approve-the-electoral-college-results/65-70016bb7-eb70-4493-8e2b-f44cd5c284fa

The U.S. code does allow Congress to object to electoral votes.

Here’s how it works: an objection needs to be in writing and signed by at least one Senator and one Representative.

In terms of what counts as a valid objection, Mulji said that the laws are vague.

"There isn't a ton of guidance about... what does and doesn't count as an objection," Mulji said. "Because these are internal rules of Congress, it's up to the houses of Congress to decide whether the objections are valid.”

After there’s an objection, the two houses will then hold separate votes on whether to accept or reject it.

If there’s a split decision, meaning the House voted one way and the Senate voted the other, the objection fails and votes are counted as originally cast.

From there, the typical electoral count continues. If a candidate gets a majority of votes at 270, then he or she officially wins.

If nobody has a majority during the Electoral College meeting, the vote goes to the House of Representatives, with each state getting one vote.


 I also found the same being said here...

file:///C:/Users/hpuser/Downloads/R40504.pdf

Contingent Election of the President and Vice
President by Congress: Perspectives and
Contemporary Analysis
Updated October 6, 2020

 In a contingent election, the House would choose among the three candidates who received the
most electoral votes. Each state, regardless of population, casts a single vote for President in a
contingent election. Representatives of states with two or more Representatives would therefore
need to conduct an internal poll within their state delegation to decide which candidate would
receive the state’s single vote. A majority of state votes, 26 or more, is required to elect, and the
House must vote “immediately” and “by ballot.” A


 AP's  fact checking claim can very well be wrong. That's why I'm asking, to try to find out what the actual procedure is. Because if it really is a one State one vote rule then Trump will probably win it in congress
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 17, 2020, 07:07:24 PM
Earlier I mentioned 7 States sent dual electors to vote Dec 14th and it was ruled Biden won but the actual vote count is Jan 6th in Congress and the count is performed by VP Pence. Also a member of Congress can contest the count and a process will happen that will lead to Trump being declared the winner. An Arizona State House Rep and elector explains it much better than I can. If anybody doubts Trump is going to win, this is how he'll do it without the courts or military. Because dual electors were sent, this becomes the most likely scenario for Trump to win. Too bad our media can't educate us properly and as a result, most of the world falsely thinks Biden is President elect.

Neither you nor the idiot in the video understand the process that takes place on Jan. 6th. Trust me, on that day Biden will get his 306 electoral votes.

 So you are saying you know better than an Arizona house member?

 Congressman Jim Jordan is saying the same thing...


 This same thing happened in 2000, except no senators backed it. You need one house member and one senate member to object to the electors given, Jordan is going to object and I am pretty sure that at least Cruz will this time around. And according to what I understand when congress votes on it each State gets a vote, not each member. And with the Repubs having more States then the Dems the only way Trump would lose is if enough Repub States vote against him. Which I cannot see happening.

 I really don't know for sure, so if you say it won't happen then tell us why. Show us that Billy is wrong instead of just saying he is.   :coffeeread:

It happens just exactly as the ap fact check explains. Pence doesn't chose anything and for an objection to a state's electoral vote to succeed, it takes both the senate and house to agree on it. The house is controlled by democrats so any objection won't succeed. Biden will get his 306. That's the gist of it.

 I have read otherwise, that it doesn't matter if the Dems have the house, it's a one State one vote procedure. Like this article explains..

https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/verify-when-are-electoral-votes-cast-and-counted-what-if-congress-doesnt-approve-the-electoral-college-results/65-70016bb7-eb70-4493-8e2b-f44cd5c284fa

The U.S. code does allow Congress to object to electoral votes.

Here’s how it works: an objection needs to be in writing and signed by at least one Senator and one Representative.

In terms of what counts as a valid objection, Mulji said that the laws are vague.

"There isn't a ton of guidance about... what does and doesn't count as an objection," Mulji said. "Because these are internal rules of Congress, it's up to the houses of Congress to decide whether the objections are valid.”

After there’s an objection, the two houses will then hold separate votes on whether to accept or reject it.

If there’s a split decision, meaning the House voted one way and the Senate voted the other, the objection fails and votes are counted as originally cast.

From there, the typical electoral count continues. If a candidate gets a majority of votes at 270, then he or she officially wins.

If nobody has a majority during the Electoral College meeting, the vote goes to the House of Representatives, with each state getting one vote.


 I also found the same being said here...

file:///C:/Users/hpuser/Downloads/R40504.pdf

Contingent Election of the President and Vice
President by Congress: Perspectives and
Contemporary Analysis
Updated October 6, 2020

 In a contingent election, the House would choose among the three candidates who received the
most electoral votes. Each state, regardless of population, casts a single vote for President in a
contingent election. Representatives of states with two or more Representatives would therefore
need to conduct an internal poll within their state delegation to decide which candidate would
receive the state’s single vote. A majority of state votes, 26 or more, is required to elect, and the
House must vote “immediately” and “by ballot.” A


 AP's  fact checking claim can very well be wrong. That's why I'm asking, to try to find out what the actual procedure is. Because if it really is a one State one vote rule then Trump will probably win it in congress
It can be confusing but the way the electoral college is set up this year, it will be one man one vote in the house.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 17, 2020, 07:19:58 PM
I think you're right Biden will likely be President.

He will serve one term and then Republicans will take back the country.

I'm surprised you said that because you're highly suspicious of the Deep State. I'm not into conspiracy theories but I've opened my mind to understand we have corrupt people in our government, so corrupt, they want total control. If Biden becomes President, he won't convict the cheaters at any level. He will learn from the mistakes of this election and make it harder to detect cheating next election. He will use the media and social media to go after any possible Republican challengers by having them write up scandals before and during their run for the presidency. There won't be another Republican president ever. Trump has to stop this now or we lose the country, not try to run in 2024.

The CEO of Overstock came out recently and of course mainstream media didn't pick up his story. He was recruited in 2015 by the FBI to tell Hillary Turkey wants to give her tens of millions in exchange for favorable policy. This sting operation was authorized by Obama. It was determined Hillary WILL be President for the next 8 years and an Obama loyalist in the FBI would safe keep this info to use as leverage against Hillary. Obama wanted to remain in power and control Hillary. She wouldn't be allowed to touch his signature policies such as Obamacare. Since Obama started election rigging in 2012 for himself, a select few from now one will get to determine who's turn it is to be POTUS. It has to end now before we get to the point of no return. Trump is the right man at the right time to get our country back on the right path.


https://www.deepcapture.com/2020/10/finale-the-deep-states-hillary-clinton-bribery-blackmail-sting-the-maria-butina-rape-murder-gambit/

In late 2015, two Men in Black from my distant Wall-Street-fighting past and the then-ongoing Maria Butina matter told me, “We need you to shift to working on something more important. The Bureau is setting Hillary Clinton up in a sting. We need you to facilitate a bribe for her.”  They explained using legal jargon (that will be useful for me later):

There are two groups in the FBI investigating the Clintons. There is a group looking into Hillary’s emails, but we think that is a whitewash. Yet there is a group of agents in New York City looking into her finances, and they want to put her ass in stir.

They walked me through the principles distinguishing a good sting from entrapment: An undercover cop can’t just walk down the street, go up to a stranger, and say, “Hey, do you want to buy some cocaine?” That would be entrapment: the target would have been drawn into a trap of committing a crime that likely would not otherwise have happened. Instead, the prosecutor needs to be able to show that the accused already had a prior disposition to buy the cocaine, which is done by proving that the person had already performed one or more predicate acts, such as, “He pulled his car over at a street corner known for drug distribution, he put his car in park, he rolled down his window…” These predicate acts demonstrate that the accused was already disposed to buy the cocaine, and so when the undercover cop approached and sold some to him it was not entrapment, but a crime that was going to happen anyway, so it is a good bust.

Comey had been blocking such “aggressive investigative techniques” (e.g., a sting) on Hillary, the Men In Black told me, claiming there were insufficient predicate acts to establish that she had the prior disposition.

Recently information had come in, however, that Hillary had accepted a bribe in the low tens of millions of dollars. They told me who it was from (a foreign government) and how it was done. The FBI agents in New York had leveraged that information to force Comey to sign off on setting Hillary up in a bribery sting, these agents explained.

Now those New York agents were asking for my help. It was believed that a different foreign government (of a country to which I had never traveled) wanted to pay Hillary a bribe (in the teens-millions) in return for having Hillary privately pledge what one aspect of President Hillary’s policy towards their nation would be. My assignment was the create the following end-state: within two months, Hillary Clinton and that government’s bagman are to be somewhere together alone in a room for 10 minutes. You take it from there, Byrne.

I said that I thought it was hairy. In my mitzvah/jihad onWall Street (2005-2008), USG and I always did business on a hand-shake (I had always said, “the fewer pieces of paper between us the better”). But now they were asking me to get involved in a federal election and bribe a presidential candidate. I told them that it was that rare request for which I would need one of their “Acts Otherwise Illegal” letters (which are letters Uncle Sam can give you if, as the name suggests, he asks you to do something that would otherwise be illegal).

They were polite and said they would go discuss it with their bosses.

Days later we met again. One agent said: “We’ve been instructed to inform you that you cannot be given a letter, but if you’ll come to DC the Director says you can be shown a letter…”

I said, “Oh, this request is coming from Director Comey?”

Nearly simultaneously, both Special Agents began nodding-coughing into their fists as they glanced and pointed up to the ceiling whilst still coughing.

I asked, “The Director and…. the President?”

This time they held my eyes as they simultaneously coughed into their hands and nodded.

“OK, well, you can tell Director Comey and President Obama that a” (I coughed into my hand in imitation of the agents) “from them is good enough for me. Consider Hillary bribed.”

I will leave out subsequent details, but assume my assignment broke down into Steps A – B – C – D, with “D” being, Hillary Clinton walks into a room alone and spends 10 minutes with that bagman. Within 5 weeks I had achieved A – B – C. In addition, Hillary was 13 hours away from walking into a room alone (using a method which would keep any record from appearing in Hillary’s schedule) to spend 10 minutes with that government’s bagman, where that government’s desires would be expressed and money offered….

 …. at which point the curtain came down for me.  I had visibility into the operation up to that point, and know that as of 13 hours before the meeting all was on track. And then, as I say, the curtain came down for me. I wasn’t “in the room when it happened” so I could not say for sure what happened over the next 13 hours.

Days later Men in Black summoned me to meet with me me. I was anxious: Had Hillary shown up? Did she take it?

The agents were sober as judges. They did not tell me whether Hillary had made it to the meeting or not. Instead they said, “Patrick, this mission has been scrubbed. We need you to forget every moment of it. We mean it. You must erase every second of this from your memory.” Accompanied by stern, menacing, looks as they gauged my reaction.

Here is the explanation they gave me in a nervous, even panicked, tone:

Hillary Clinton is going to be our next president and nothing can stop that now. The day she becomes President, the first thing she is going to do is send her people over to the FBI and find out who was part of investigating her, and we are all going to be destroyed. That includes you, Patrick. This mission has been scrubbed from the highest level.

I had to ask them to explain it to me again. I went home.  It did not sit well with me. A number of things felt wrong about their explanation:

The agents I met fighting Wall Street were all tough men and women. They get as panicky and nervous as a bag of cement. They were also honorable men and women: it was out-of-character any would go along with such an order. In addition, I had known these two Men In Black back then, and knew they were particularly solid. The vibe they were projecting to me seemed forced. Men In Black don’t scare easy.
If that was the line of reasoning, they would have performed that analysis and reached that conclusion before they had me do what I had done to facilitate a foreign government bribing Hillary Clinton.
We were the better part of a year before the election and many months before the DNC convention. They could have had me and other witnesses in front of a grand jury in a week. Indicting Hillary would give the Democrats a chance to pick a new, clean candidate. Else we are going to have a repeat of the 1990’s, with a Clinton in the White House under perpetual investigation.
After a couple-few weeks of stewing, I contacted them and let them know that I would like to meet (which is a rarity: it is generally they who appear in my life, just like that). This time, when I showed up it was the two Men In Black plus a new Man In Black, and what an especially MIB-kind-of-fellow was he. If I showed you a picture of a crowd of 1,000 people with this man in it and said, “Pick out the Man In Black,” you’d pick out this gentleman.

It is hard to describe exactly how that meeting developed. When they want to, feds have a way of saying things without saying things, of leading you to understand what they want you to understand, of nudging you to put pieces together with a minimum amount of help from them. Over the course of the meeting hints were dropped, small pieces exposed, and only occasionally, direct answers supplied. In that fashion, I came to understand Y and W, then over a muffin at a break Z and V, then suddenly I guessed X…. It is hard to say how long this went on, before it finally became clear:

What’s going on, Patrick, is that at this point President Obama has his people across the federal bureaucracy, but especially the Department of Justice. Hillary is going to be president for eight years and nothing is going to stop that, but while she’s president the evidence about bribery you were part of gathering is going to be sitting on a “Bunsen burner” inside the DOJ, and the hand on that Bunsen burner is going to be the hand of one of Barack Obama’s people. If Hillary is a good girl, defends Obamacare etc., that hand will keep the Bunsen burner on “Low”. If she is a bad girl, starts thinking for herself, that hand [mimes twisting a dial] will turn the Bunsen burner to “High”.  That way, for the eight years she is President, Hillary is going to be managed by Barack Obama. Then Hillary is going to step down, and Michelle is going to run… And Patrick, that’s the plan.[ii]

I wish to be clear that none of them acted like this was copacetic. Their delivery was not proud or threatening, not “That’s the way it’s going to be, mother :censored: er.” Just the opposite. Behind gruff MIB-exteriors they seemed to be ashamed, and it was all said in a matter-of-fact and measured fashion, with pauses for me to catch up, and with an air of sad finality (as in, It would help if you just accept this, because we’re all in the deep end together).

I flashed to an odd day in 2006, late summer, when a stack of Senate Institutionalists called me in to say, Help us Obi-wan, you are our only hope.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on December 17, 2020, 07:26:10 PM
Earlier I mentioned 7 States sent dual electors to vote Dec 14th and it was ruled Biden won but the actual vote count is Jan 6th in Congress and the count is performed by VP Pence. Also a member of Congress can contest the count and a process will happen that will lead to Trump being declared the winner. An Arizona State House Rep and elector explains it much better than I can. If anybody doubts Trump is going to win, this is how he'll do it without the courts or military. Because dual electors were sent, this becomes the most likely scenario for Trump to win. Too bad our media can't educate us properly and as a result, most of the world falsely thinks Biden is President elect.

Neither you nor the idiot in the video understand the process that takes place on Jan. 6th. Trust me, on that day Biden will get his 306 electoral votes.

 So you are saying you know better than an Arizona house member?

 Congressman Jim Jordan is saying the same thing...


 This same thing happened in 2000, except no senators backed it. You need one house member and one senate member to object to the electors given, Jordan is going to object and I am pretty sure that at least Cruz will this time around. And according to what I understand when congress votes on it each State gets a vote, not each member. And with the Repubs having more States then the Dems the only way Trump would lose is if enough Repub States vote against him. Which I cannot see happening.

 I really don't know for sure, so if you say it won't happen then tell us why. Show us that Billy is wrong instead of just saying he is.   :coffeeread:

It happens just exactly as the ap fact check explains. Pence doesn't chose anything and for an objection to a state's electoral vote to succeed, it takes both the senate and house to agree on it. The house is controlled by democrats so any objection won't succeed. Biden will get his 306. That's the gist of it.

 I have read otherwise, that it doesn't matter if the Dems have the house, it's a one State one vote procedure. Like this article explains..

https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/verify-when-are-electoral-votes-cast-and-counted-what-if-congress-doesnt-approve-the-electoral-college-results/65-70016bb7-eb70-4493-8e2b-f44cd5c284fa

The U.S. code does allow Congress to object to electoral votes.

Here’s how it works: an objection needs to be in writing and signed by at least one Senator and one Representative.

In terms of what counts as a valid objection, Mulji said that the laws are vague.

"There isn't a ton of guidance about... what does and doesn't count as an objection," Mulji said. "Because these are internal rules of Congress, it's up to the houses of Congress to decide whether the objections are valid.”

After there’s an objection, the two houses will then hold separate votes on whether to accept or reject it.

If there’s a split decision, meaning the House voted one way and the Senate voted the other, the objection fails and votes are counted as originally cast.

From there, the typical electoral count continues. If a candidate gets a majority of votes at 270, then he or she officially wins.

If nobody has a majority during the Electoral College meeting, the vote goes to the House of Representatives, with each state getting one vote.


 I also found the same being said here...

file:///C:/Users/hpuser/Downloads/R40504.pdf

Contingent Election of the President and Vice
President by Congress: Perspectives and
Contemporary Analysis
Updated October 6, 2020

 In a contingent election, the House would choose among the three candidates who received the
most electoral votes. Each state, regardless of population, casts a single vote for President in a
contingent election. Representatives of states with two or more Representatives would therefore
need to conduct an internal poll within their state delegation to decide which candidate would
receive the state’s single vote. A majority of state votes, 26 or more, is required to elect, and the
House must vote “immediately” and “by ballot.” A


 AP's  fact checking claim can very well be wrong. That's why I'm asking, to try to find out what the actual procedure is. Because if it really is a one State one vote rule then Trump will probably win it in congress
It can be confusing but the way the electoral college is set up this year, it will be one man one vote in the house.

 So you are telling me that the rules laid out in the 12th amendment of the constitution can be changed ???
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 17, 2020, 07:41:11 PM
Billy we lost the country when Bush Jr was allowed to cover up who really did 9/11 and plunged the country into two foreign wars at a cost of Trillions of dollars. The "patriot act" increased the "deep state" power to spy on American citizens.

At least you have finally woken up a little bit as to how bad things are and may become.

Hopefully the crooks will be happy with the payola they're gonna get under Biden and the country will survive.

They know this country is their best breadwinner so hopefully they won't be stupid enough to destroy it.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 17, 2020, 07:44:05 PM
Earlier I mentioned 7 States sent dual electors to vote Dec 14th and it was ruled Biden won but the actual vote count is Jan 6th in Congress and the count is performed by VP Pence. Also a member of Congress can contest the count and a process will happen that will lead to Trump being declared the winner. An Arizona State House Rep and elector explains it much better than I can. If anybody doubts Trump is going to win, this is how he'll do it without the courts or military. Because dual electors were sent, this becomes the most likely scenario for Trump to win. Too bad our media can't educate us properly and as a result, most of the world falsely thinks Biden is President elect.

Neither you nor the idiot in the video understand the process that takes place on Jan. 6th. Trust me, on that day Biden will get his 306 electoral votes.

 So you are saying you know better than an Arizona house member?

 Congressman Jim Jordan is saying the same thing...


 This same thing happened in 2000, except no senators backed it. You need one house member and one senate member to object to the electors given, Jordan is going to object and I am pretty sure that at least Cruz will this time around. And according to what I understand when congress votes on it each State gets a vote, not each member. And with the Repubs having more States then the Dems the only way Trump would lose is if enough Repub States vote against him. Which I cannot see happening.

 I really don't know for sure, so if you say it won't happen then tell us why. Show us that Billy is wrong instead of just saying he is.   :coffeeread:

It happens just exactly as the ap fact check explains. Pence doesn't chose anything and for an objection to a state's electoral vote to succeed, it takes both the senate and house to agree on it. The house is controlled by democrats so any objection won't succeed. Biden will get his 306. That's the gist of it.

 I have read otherwise, that it doesn't matter if the Dems have the house, it's a one State one vote procedure. Like this article explains..

https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/verify-when-are-electoral-votes-cast-and-counted-what-if-congress-doesnt-approve-the-electoral-college-results/65-70016bb7-eb70-4493-8e2b-f44cd5c284fa

The U.S. code does allow Congress to object to electoral votes.

Here’s how it works: an objection needs to be in writing and signed by at least one Senator and one Representative.

In terms of what counts as a valid objection, Mulji said that the laws are vague.

"There isn't a ton of guidance about... what does and doesn't count as an objection," Mulji said. "Because these are internal rules of Congress, it's up to the houses of Congress to decide whether the objections are valid.”

After there’s an objection, the two houses will then hold separate votes on whether to accept or reject it.

If there’s a split decision, meaning the House voted one way and the Senate voted the other, the objection fails and votes are counted as originally cast.

From there, the typical electoral count continues. If a candidate gets a majority of votes at 270, then he or she officially wins.

If nobody has a majority during the Electoral College meeting, the vote goes to the House of Representatives, with each state getting one vote.


 I also found the same being said here...

file:///C:/Users/hpuser/Downloads/R40504.pdf

Contingent Election of the President and Vice
President by Congress: Perspectives and
Contemporary Analysis
Updated October 6, 2020

 In a contingent election, the House would choose among the three candidates who received the
most electoral votes. Each state, regardless of population, casts a single vote for President in a
contingent election. Representatives of states with two or more Representatives would therefore
need to conduct an internal poll within their state delegation to decide which candidate would
receive the state’s single vote. A majority of state votes, 26 or more, is required to elect, and the
House must vote “immediately” and “by ballot.” A


 AP's  fact checking claim can very well be wrong. That's why I'm asking, to try to find out what the actual procedure is. Because if it really is a one State one vote rule then Trump will probably win it in congress
It can be confusing but the way the electoral college is set up this year, it will be one man one vote in the house.

 So you are telling me that the rules laid out in the 12th amendment of the constitution can be changed ???

The Dems control the House, therefore a Trump victory via Congress is extremely unlikely.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on December 17, 2020, 07:57:08 PM
Earlier I mentioned 7 States sent dual electors to vote Dec 14th and it was ruled Biden won but the actual vote count is Jan 6th in Congress and the count is performed by VP Pence. Also a member of Congress can contest the count and a process will happen that will lead to Trump being declared the winner. An Arizona State House Rep and elector explains it much better than I can. If anybody doubts Trump is going to win, this is how he'll do it without the courts or military. Because dual electors were sent, this becomes the most likely scenario for Trump to win. Too bad our media can't educate us properly and as a result, most of the world falsely thinks Biden is President elect.

Neither you nor the idiot in the video understand the process that takes place on Jan. 6th. Trust me, on that day Biden will get his 306 electoral votes.

 So you are saying you know better than an Arizona house member?

 Congressman Jim Jordan is saying the same thing...


 This same thing happened in 2000, except no senators backed it. You need one house member and one senate member to object to the electors given, Jordan is going to object and I am pretty sure that at least Cruz will this time around. And according to what I understand when congress votes on it each State gets a vote, not each member. And with the Repubs having more States then the Dems the only way Trump would lose is if enough Repub States vote against him. Which I cannot see happening.

 I really don't know for sure, so if you say it won't happen then tell us why. Show us that Billy is wrong instead of just saying he is.   :coffeeread:

It happens just exactly as the ap fact check explains. Pence doesn't chose anything and for an objection to a state's electoral vote to succeed, it takes both the senate and house to agree on it. The house is controlled by democrats so any objection won't succeed. Biden will get his 306. That's the gist of it.

 I have read otherwise, that it doesn't matter if the Dems have the house, it's a one State one vote procedure. Like this article explains..

https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/verify-when-are-electoral-votes-cast-and-counted-what-if-congress-doesnt-approve-the-electoral-college-results/65-70016bb7-eb70-4493-8e2b-f44cd5c284fa

The U.S. code does allow Congress to object to electoral votes.

Here's how it works: an objection needs to be in writing and signed by at least one Senator and one Representative.

In terms of what counts as a valid objection, Mulji said that the laws are vague.

"There isn't a ton of guidance about... what does and doesn't count as an objection," Mulji said. "Because these are internal rules of Congress, it's up to the houses of Congress to decide whether the objections are valid."

After there's an objection, the two houses will then hold separate votes on whether to accept or reject it.

If there's a split decision, meaning the House voted one way and the Senate voted the other, the objection fails and votes are counted as originally cast.

From there, the typical electoral count continues. If a candidate gets a majority of votes at 270, then he or she officially wins.

If nobody has a majority during the Electoral College meeting, the vote goes to the House of Representatives, with each state getting one vote.


 I also found the same being said here...

file:///C:/Users/hpuser/Downloads/R40504.pdf

Contingent Election of the President and Vice
President by Congress: Perspectives and
Contemporary Analysis
Updated October 6, 2020

 In a contingent election, the House would choose among the three candidates who received the
most electoral votes. Each state, regardless of population, casts a single vote for President in a
contingent election. Representatives of states with two or more Representatives would therefore
need to conduct an internal poll within their state delegation to decide which candidate would
receive the state's single vote. A majority of state votes, 26 or more, is required to elect, and the
House must vote "immediately" and "by ballot." A


 AP's  fact checking claim can very well be wrong. That's why I'm asking, to try to find out what the actual procedure is. Because if it really is a one State one vote rule then Trump will probably win it in congress
It can be confusing but the way the electoral college is set up this year, it will be one man one vote in the house.

 So you are telling me that the rules laid out in the 12th amendment of the constitution can be changed ???

The Dems control the House, therefore a Trump victory via Congress is extremely unlikely.

d672 is correct. The 12th is the same as it always is every year. The EC is not anymore confusing this year than any other time. The democrats control the house by seats, not by states. There are more republican states represented in the House than democrats. One vote one state. If the electors are challenged by one Rep and one senator. They will debate and attempt to compromise. A compromise is highly unlikely. The electors will either return to the state legislatures or back to the House for a state vote. One vote, one state. This scenario is highly unlikely but possible. Trump has other presidential perjoratives however, available to him
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on December 17, 2020, 08:00:27 PM
 Confed, California for example has 53 representatives in the house. But from what I understand the 12th amendment says there will be only 1 vote coming from those 53, since each state only gets one vote. So it is not which party holds the house that is important, but how many States each party has.


 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on December 17, 2020, 08:03:21 PM
Confed, California for example has 53 representatives in the house. But from what I understand the 12th amendment says there will be only 1 vote coming from those 53, since each state only gets one vote. So it is not which party holds the house that is important, but how many States each party has.

You are correct sir
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 17, 2020, 08:05:02 PM
Russia just cyber attacked the US government. Where is Trump? Is he doing anything? Saying anything? No. He's still pouting because of his loss. Same with covid, where is he? This why he is soon to be a former president.

You want him to send over nukes? Trump has taken more action against Russia than Obama has. Obama did nothing when Russia hacked the White House, the Pentagon, the DNC and Hillary's private server. Trump is busy raiding Solarwinds offices since they made it easy for foreign nations to spy on us. Obama's friends own those companies and hired them for government use.


Joe says his son Hunter is the smartest man he knows. Joe is either dumb, a liar or both.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/smartest-man-know-joe-biden-defends-son-hunter-softball-interview-promoted-cbs-evening-news-video/


Some people think Georgia governor Kemp was given a warning by somebody that killed his daughter's boyfriend. Officer investigating the case dies. They said it was suicide.

https://twitter.com/correctthemedia/status/1339363414624362502


Dominion Voting systems threatened to sue Sydney Powell for defamation. Why talk about it? Do it! If they start a civil case, Sydney will be forced to present her evidence and a judge will finally see it and have to charge Dominion with crimes. I'm sure a lot of Dominion workers are innocent but their owners and parent company is in control. FYI, the Kraken has been docketed at the Supreme Court.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/legal-experts-explain-defamation-lawsuit-threat-made-by-dominion-voting-systems-against-sidney-powell/ar-BB1c1fJv?ocid=msedgntp


A SCOTUS staffer says Chief Justice Roberts was heard screaming SCOTUS shouldn't take up the case because of potential riots. Seems like he doesn't want to do the right thing and have election fraud evidence revealed in his court room that will force the judges to take action in favor of Trump. He is compromised. I'm sure he's the 'John Roberts' on Epstein's plane logbook.

https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1339641451215544322[/size]
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on December 17, 2020, 08:12:31 PM
Confed, California for example has 53 representatives in the house. But from what I understand the 12th amendment says there will be only 1 vote coming from those 53, since each state only gets one vote. So it is not which party holds the house that is important, but how many States each party has.

You are correct sir

 Thanks for the clarification

 Faux Pas, why do you say it's highly unlikely that it would go to a congress vote? I thought with the dual electors being presented from the swing states that pretty much set things up for it to happen.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on December 17, 2020, 08:25:09 PM
Confed, California for example has 53 representatives in the house. But from what I understand the 12th amendment says there will be only 1 vote coming from those 53, since each state only gets one vote. So it is not which party holds the house that is important, but how many States each party has.

You are correct sir

 Thanks for the clarification

 Faux Pas, why do you say it's highly unlikely that it would go to a congress vote? I thought with the dual electors being presented from the swing states that pretty much set things up for it to happen.

The unlikeliness is that congress will agree or compromise based on the republican controlled Senate and democrat controlled House. It's possible but unlikely. Maybe they will as it is what they are suppose to do. It'll be interesting to see how it shakes out. Keep in mind the Georgia senate election comes into play as well. Should the democrats win that election it'll get really sticky. If that is the case Pence will still be the tie breaker.

What one has to keep in mind is, these are safeguards that were put into the constitution to combat fraudulent elections. If I were to lay a bet on the situation I'd wager that Trump isn't counting on this happening. It could but it's unlikely especially if Pelosi is still the speaker of the house
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 17, 2020, 08:29:52 PM
Also keep in mind from now till Jan 6th States are still investigating fraud and they can decertify their elections and recall their Democrat electors.

Lin Wood announces he just acquired some evidence on Chief Justice Roberts and has given it to other parties for safe keeping. Maybe SCOTUS will now start hearing cases.

https://welovetrump.com/2020/12/17/lin-wood-confirms-chief-justice-john-roberts-was-on-epsteins-pedo-island-has-documentation/


Somebody has it figured out on how Pence can count the electors votes

https://twitter.com/Enduroskills/status/1339275573991002114/photo/1
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 17, 2020, 08:33:51 PM
Confed, California for example has 53 representatives in the house. But from what I understand the 12th amendment says there will be only 1 vote coming from those 53, since each state only gets one vote. So it is not which party holds the house that is important, but how many States each party has.

You are correct sir

 Thanks for the clarification

 Faux Pas, why do you say it's highly unlikely that it would go to a congress vote? I thought with the dual electors being presented from the swing states that pretty much set things up for it to happen.

There aren't duel sets of electors. The electors are the ones certified by each state and chosen by the governor of each state. The electors are set.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 17, 2020, 08:38:11 PM
Russia just cyber attacked the US government. Where is Trump? Is he doing anything? Saying anything? No. He's still pouting because of his loss. Same with covid, where is he? This why he is soon to be a former president.

You want him to send over nukes? Trump has taken more action against Russia than Obama has. Obama did nothing when Russia hacked the White House, the Pentagon, the DNC and Hillary's private server. Trump is busy raiding Solarwinds offices since they made it easy for foreign nations to spy on us. Obama's friends own those companies and hired them for government use.


Joe says his son Hunter is the smartest man he knows. Joe is either dumb, a liar or both.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/smartest-man-know-joe-biden-defends-son-hunter-softball-interview-promoted-cbs-evening-news-video/


Some people think Georgia governor Kemp was given a warning by somebody that killed his daughter's boyfriend. Officer investigating the case dies. They said it was suicide.

https://twitter.com/correctthemedia/status/1339363414624362502


Dominion Voting systems threatened to sue Sydney Powell for defamation. Why talk about it? Do it! If they start a civil case, Sydney will be forced to present her evidence and a judge will finally see it and have to charge Dominion with crimes. I'm sure a lot of Dominion workers are innocent but their owners and parent company is in control. FYI, the Kraken has been docketed at the Supreme Court.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/legal-experts-explain-defamation-lawsuit-threat-made-by-dominion-voting-systems-against-sidney-powell/ar-BB1c1fJv?ocid=msedgntp


A SCOTUS staffer says Chief Justice Roberts was heard screaming SCOTUS shouldn't take up the case because of potential riots. Seems like he doesn't want to do the right thing and have election fraud evidence revealed in his court room that will force the judges to take action in favor of Trump. He is compromised. I'm sure he's the 'John Roberts' on Epstein's plane logbook.

https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1339641451215544322[/size]
Clueless as usual.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on December 17, 2020, 09:01:31 PM
Confed, California for example has 53 representatives in the house. But from what I understand the 12th amendment says there will be only 1 vote coming from those 53, since each state only gets one vote. So it is not which party holds the house that is important, but how many States each party has.

You are correct sir

 Thanks for the clarification

 Faux Pas, why do you say it's highly unlikely that it would go to a congress vote? I thought with the dual electors being presented from the swing states that pretty much set things up for it to happen.

There aren't duel sets of electors. The electors are the ones certified by each state and chosen by the governor of each state. The electors are set.

So, are you pretending the republican electors just don't exist? I can assure you they do. Your information sources are lying to you. I must have told you this 20 times and you still ignore that one irrefutable fact. You are a carrier of bad information and worse is, you insist it's true. Please tell us what is confusing about the electoral college "this year"?

You are carrying the water of the leftist MSM and it's narrative. You won't even comprehend that there may be a real truth that they do not tell you. Joe Biden is not to this date, today, president elect.  I know you find that confounding as hell but, it's the truth. The MSM, big tech and your fact checkers do not determine the president
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 17, 2020, 09:03:42 PM
Earlier I mentioned 7 States sent dual electors to vote Dec 14th and it was ruled Biden won but the actual vote count is Jan 6th in Congress and the count is performed by VP Pence. Also a member of Congress can contest the count and a process will happen that will lead to Trump being declared the winner. An Arizona State House Rep and elector explains it much better than I can. If anybody doubts Trump is going to win, this is how he'll do it without the courts or military. Because dual electors were sent, this becomes the most likely scenario for Trump to win. Too bad our media can't educate us properly and as a result, most of the world falsely thinks Biden is President elect.

Neither you nor the idiot in the video understand the process that takes place on Jan. 6th. Trust me, on that day Biden will get his 306 electoral votes.

 So you are saying you know better than an Arizona house member?

 Congressman Jim Jordan is saying the same thing...


 This same thing happened in 2000, except no senators backed it. You need one house member and one senate member to object to the electors given, Jordan is going to object and I am pretty sure that at least Cruz will this time around. And according to what I understand when congress votes on it each State gets a vote, not each member. And with the Repubs having more States then the Dems the only way Trump would lose is if enough Repub States vote against him. Which I cannot see happening.

 I really don't know for sure, so if you say it won't happen then tell us why. Show us that Billy is wrong instead of just saying he is.   :coffeeread:

It happens just exactly as the ap fact check explains. Pence doesn't chose anything and for an objection to a state's electoral vote to succeed, it takes both the senate and house to agree on it. The house is controlled by democrats so any objection won't succeed. Biden will get his 306. That's the gist of it.

 I have read otherwise, that it doesn't matter if the Dems have the house, it's a one State one vote procedure. Like this article explains..

https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/verify-when-are-electoral-votes-cast-and-counted-what-if-congress-doesnt-approve-the-electoral-college-results/65-70016bb7-eb70-4493-8e2b-f44cd5c284fa

The U.S. code does allow Congress to object to electoral votes.

Here’s how it works: an objection needs to be in writing and signed by at least one Senator and one Representative.

In terms of what counts as a valid objection, Mulji said that the laws are vague.

"There isn't a ton of guidance about... what does and doesn't count as an objection," Mulji said. "Because these are internal rules of Congress, it's up to the houses of Congress to decide whether the objections are valid.”

After there’s an objection, the two houses will then hold separate votes on whether to accept or reject it.

If there’s a split decision, meaning the House voted one way and the Senate voted the other, the objection fails and votes are counted as originally cast.

From there, the typical electoral count continues. If a candidate gets a majority of votes at 270, then he or she officially wins.

If nobody has a majority during the Electoral College meeting, the vote goes to the House of Representatives, with each state getting one vote.


 I also found the same being said here...

file:///C:/Users/hpuser/Downloads/R40504.pdf

Contingent Election of the President and Vice
President by Congress: Perspectives and
Contemporary Analysis
Updated October 6, 2020

 In a contingent election, the House would choose among the three candidates who received the
most electoral votes. Each state, regardless of population, casts a single vote for President in a
contingent election. Representatives of states with two or more Representatives would therefore
need to conduct an internal poll within their state delegation to decide which candidate would
receive the state’s single vote. A majority of state votes, 26 or more, is required to elect, and the
House must vote “immediately” and “by ballot.” A


 AP's  fact checking claim can very well be wrong. That's why I'm asking, to try to find out what the actual procedure is. Because if it really is a one State one vote rule then Trump will probably win it in congress
It can be confusing but the way the electoral college is set up this year, it will be one man one vote in the house.

 So you are telling me that the rules laid out in the 12th amendment of the constitution can be changed ???
The 12th amemdmemt rules regarding the house only apply if no candidate gets 270 electoral votes. Biden will get 306 so the house will play no part.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on December 17, 2020, 09:05:47 PM
Russia just cyber attacked the US government. Where is Trump? Is he doing anything? Saying anything? No. He's still pouting because of his loss. Same with covid, where is he? This why he is soon to be a former president.

You want him to send over nukes? Trump has taken more action against Russia than Obama has. Obama did nothing when Russia hacked the White House, the Pentagon, the DNC and Hillary's private server. Trump is busy raiding Solarwinds offices since they made it easy for foreign nations to spy on us. Obama's friends own those companies and hired them for government use.


Joe says his son Hunter is the smartest man he knows. Joe is either dumb, a liar or both.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/smartest-man-know-joe-biden-defends-son-hunter-softball-interview-promoted-cbs-evening-news-video/


Some people think Georgia governor Kemp was given a warning by somebody that killed his daughter's boyfriend. Officer investigating the case dies. They said it was suicide.

https://twitter.com/correctthemedia/status/1339363414624362502


Dominion Voting systems threatened to sue Sydney Powell for defamation. Why talk about it? Do it! If they start a civil case, Sydney will be forced to present her evidence and a judge will finally see it and have to charge Dominion with crimes. I'm sure a lot of Dominion workers are innocent but their owners and parent company is in control. FYI, the Kraken has been docketed at the Supreme Court.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/legal-experts-explain-defamation-lawsuit-threat-made-by-dominion-voting-systems-against-sidney-powell/ar-BB1c1fJv?ocid=msedgntp


A SCOTUS staffer says Chief Justice Roberts was heard screaming SCOTUS shouldn't take up the case because of potential riots. Seems like he doesn't want to do the right thing and have election fraud evidence revealed in his court room that will force the judges to take action in favor of Trump. He is compromised. I'm sure he's the 'John Roberts' on Epstein's plane logbook.

https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1339641451215544322[/size]
Clueless as usual.

Attack his message or STFU
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on December 17, 2020, 09:07:50 PM
Earlier I mentioned 7 States sent dual electors to vote Dec 14th and it was ruled Biden won but the actual vote count is Jan 6th in Congress and the count is performed by VP Pence. Also a member of Congress can contest the count and a process will happen that will lead to Trump being declared the winner. An Arizona State House Rep and elector explains it much better than I can. If anybody doubts Trump is going to win, this is how he'll do it without the courts or military. Because dual electors were sent, this becomes the most likely scenario for Trump to win. Too bad our media can't educate us properly and as a result, most of the world falsely thinks Biden is President elect.

Neither you nor the idiot in the video understand the process that takes place on Jan. 6th. Trust me, on that day Biden will get his 306 electoral votes.

 So you are saying you know better than an Arizona house member?

 Congressman Jim Jordan is saying the same thing...


 This same thing happened in 2000, except no senators backed it. You need one house member and one senate member to object to the electors given, Jordan is going to object and I am pretty sure that at least Cruz will this time around. And according to what I understand when congress votes on it each State gets a vote, not each member. And with the Repubs having more States then the Dems the only way Trump would lose is if enough Repub States vote against him. Which I cannot see happening.

 I really don't know for sure, so if you say it won't happen then tell us why. Show us that Billy is wrong instead of just saying he is.   :coffeeread:

It happens just exactly as the ap fact check explains. Pence doesn't chose anything and for an objection to a state's electoral vote to succeed, it takes both the senate and house to agree on it. The house is controlled by democrats so any objection won't succeed. Biden will get his 306. That's the gist of it.

 I have read otherwise, that it doesn't matter if the Dems have the house, it's a one State one vote procedure. Like this article explains..

https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/verify-when-are-electoral-votes-cast-and-counted-what-if-congress-doesnt-approve-the-electoral-college-results/65-70016bb7-eb70-4493-8e2b-f44cd5c284fa

The U.S. code does allow Congress to object to electoral votes.

Here’s how it works: an objection needs to be in writing and signed by at least one Senator and one Representative.

In terms of what counts as a valid objection, Mulji said that the laws are vague.

"There isn't a ton of guidance about... what does and doesn't count as an objection," Mulji said. "Because these are internal rules of Congress, it's up to the houses of Congress to decide whether the objections are valid.”

After there’s an objection, the two houses will then hold separate votes on whether to accept or reject it.

If there’s a split decision, meaning the House voted one way and the Senate voted the other, the objection fails and votes are counted as originally cast.

From there, the typical electoral count continues. If a candidate gets a majority of votes at 270, then he or she officially wins.

If nobody has a majority during the Electoral College meeting, the vote goes to the House of Representatives, with each state getting one vote.


 I also found the same being said here...

file:///C:/Users/hpuser/Downloads/R40504.pdf

Contingent Election of the President and Vice
President by Congress: Perspectives and
Contemporary Analysis
Updated October 6, 2020

 In a contingent election, the House would choose among the three candidates who received the
most electoral votes. Each state, regardless of population, casts a single vote for President in a
contingent election. Representatives of states with two or more Representatives would therefore
need to conduct an internal poll within their state delegation to decide which candidate would
receive the state’s single vote. A majority of state votes, 26 or more, is required to elect, and the
House must vote “immediately” and “by ballot.” A


 AP's  fact checking claim can very well be wrong. That's why I'm asking, to try to find out what the actual procedure is. Because if it really is a one State one vote rule then Trump will probably win it in congress
It can be confusing but the way the electoral college is set up this year, it will be one man one vote in the house.

 So you are telling me that the rules laid out in the 12th amendment of the constitution can be changed ???
The 12th amemdmemt rules regarding the house only apply if no candidate gets 270 electoral votes. Biden will get 306 so the house will play no part.

Wrong. Where in the 12th amendment does it say anything about 270 electoral votes?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 17, 2020, 09:10:46 PM
There aren't duel sets of electors. The electors are the ones certified by each state and chosen by the governor of each state. The electors are set.


What you're not getting is the actual certification that matters happens Jan 6th. What do you think about Lin Wood being in possession of a phone call with Chief Justice Roberts telling a liberal justice Breyers he's going to make sure that mother :censored: er doesn't get re-elected?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 17, 2020, 09:22:48 PM
Confed, California for example has 53 representatives in the house. But from what I understand the 12th amendment says there will be only 1 vote coming from those 53, since each state only gets one vote. So it is not which party holds the house that is important, but how many States each party has.

You are correct sir

 Thanks for the clarification

 Faux Pas, why do you say it's highly unlikely that it would go to a congress vote? I thought with the dual electors being presented from the swing states that pretty much set things up for it to happen.

There aren't duel sets of electors. The electors are the ones certified by each state and chosen by the governor of each state. The electors are set.

So, are you pretending the republican electors just don't exist? I can assure you they do. Your information sources are lying to you. I must have told you this 20 times and you still ignore that one irrefutable fact. You are a carrier of bad information and worse is, you insist it's true. Please tell us what is confusing about the electoral college "this year"?

You are carrying the water of the leftist MSM and it's narrative. You won't even comprehend that there may be a real truth that they do not tell you. Joe Biden is not to this date, today, president elect.  I know you find that confounding as hell but, it's the truth. The MSM, big tech and your fact checkers do not determine the president

I stand by what I said. Each state gets ONE set of electors and they have been chosen and certified already. No, the msm doesn't chose the president, the electors do and they have given Biden 306 votes. I said the rules could be confusing not the election. It's over FP, Biden will be the next president like it or not.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 17, 2020, 09:28:41 PM
Earlier I mentioned 7 States sent dual electors to vote Dec 14th and it was ruled Biden won but the actual vote count is Jan 6th in Congress and the count is performed by VP Pence. Also a member of Congress can contest the count and a process will happen that will lead to Trump being declared the winner. An Arizona State House Rep and elector explains it much better than I can. If anybody doubts Trump is going to win, this is how he'll do it without the courts or military. Because dual electors were sent, this becomes the most likely scenario for Trump to win. Too bad our media can't educate us properly and as a result, most of the world falsely thinks Biden is President elect.

Neither you nor the idiot in the video understand the process that takes place on Jan. 6th. Trust me, on that day Biden will get his 306 electoral votes.

 So you are saying you know better than an Arizona house member?

 Congressman Jim Jordan is saying the same thing...


 This same thing happened in 2000, except no senators backed it. You need one house member and one senate member to object to the electors given, Jordan is going to object and I am pretty sure that at least Cruz will this time around. And according to what I understand when congress votes on it each State gets a vote, not each member. And with the Repubs having more States then the Dems the only way Trump would lose is if enough Repub States vote against him. Which I cannot see happening.

 I really don't know for sure, so if you say it won't happen then tell us why. Show us that Billy is wrong instead of just saying he is.   :coffeeread:

It happens just exactly as the ap fact check explains. Pence doesn't chose anything and for an objection to a state's electoral vote to succeed, it takes both the senate and house to agree on it. The house is controlled by democrats so any objection won't succeed. Biden will get his 306. That's the gist of it.

 I have read otherwise, that it doesn't matter if the Dems have the house, it's a one State one vote procedure. Like this article explains..

https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/verify-when-are-electoral-votes-cast-and-counted-what-if-congress-doesnt-approve-the-electoral-college-results/65-70016bb7-eb70-4493-8e2b-f44cd5c284fa

The U.S. code does allow Congress to object to electoral votes.

Here’s how it works: an objection needs to be in writing and signed by at least one Senator and one Representative.

In terms of what counts as a valid objection, Mulji said that the laws are vague.

"There isn't a ton of guidance about... what does and doesn't count as an objection," Mulji said. "Because these are internal rules of Congress, it's up to the houses of Congress to decide whether the objections are valid.”

After there’s an objection, the two houses will then hold separate votes on whether to accept or reject it.

If there’s a split decision, meaning the House voted one way and the Senate voted the other, the objection fails and votes are counted as originally cast.

From there, the typical electoral count continues. If a candidate gets a majority of votes at 270, then he or she officially wins.

If nobody has a majority during the Electoral College meeting, the vote goes to the House of Representatives, with each state getting one vote.


 I also found the same being said here...

file:///C:/Users/hpuser/Downloads/R40504.pdf

Contingent Election of the President and Vice
President by Congress: Perspectives and
Contemporary Analysis
Updated October 6, 2020

 In a contingent election, the House would choose among the three candidates who received the
most electoral votes. Each state, regardless of population, casts a single vote for President in a
contingent election. Representatives of states with two or more Representatives would therefore
need to conduct an internal poll within their state delegation to decide which candidate would
receive the state’s single vote. A majority of state votes, 26 or more, is required to elect, and the
House must vote “immediately” and “by ballot.” A


 AP's  fact checking claim can very well be wrong. That's why I'm asking, to try to find out what the actual procedure is. Because if it really is a one State one vote rule then Trump will probably win it in congress
It can be confusing but the way the electoral college is set up this year, it will be one man one vote in the house.

 So you are telling me that the rules laid out in the 12th amendment of the constitution can be changed ???
The 12th amemdmemt rules regarding the house only apply if no candidate gets 270 electoral votes. Biden will get 306 so the house will play no part.

Wrong. Where in the 12th amendment does it say anything about 270 electoral votes?

Are you dense? The 12th amendment clearly says a MAJORITY OF THE VOTES. That would be 270, understand?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 17, 2020, 09:32:07 PM
There aren't duel sets of electors. The electors are the ones certified by each state and chosen by the governor of each state. The electors are set.


What you're not getting is the actual certification that matters happens Jan 6th. What do you think about Lin Wood being in possession of a phone call with Chief Justice Roberts telling a liberal justice Breyers he's going to make sure that mother :censored: er doesn't get re-elected?

I think Wood is full of s**t.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 17, 2020, 11:29:51 PM

Chief Justice Roberts flying on the Lolita Express to hang out with Bill Clinton at Epstein's pedophile island. They probably got video on him f'ing some kid and it's probably why he went from a Conservative judge to a Liberal judge overnight.

https://twitter.com/AOECOIN/status/1339647741119483904
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 18, 2020, 12:23:49 AM

Chief Justice Roberts flying on the Lolita Express to hang out with Bill Clinton at Epstein's pedophile island. They probably got video on him f'ing some kid and it's probably why he went from a Conservative judge to a Liberal judge overnight.

https://twitter.com/AOECOIN/status/1339647741119483904

Why do you believe everything you read on twitter? Nobody has anything on Roberts, it's just more far-right sore loserism.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Danchik on December 18, 2020, 12:50:44 AM
I think Wood is full of s**t.
OK, but you haven't made anywhere near to a solid case for your beliefs, just brief opinions based on emotion.

I'm curious, do you think Obama did a good job as President and why/why not? What is your opinion of Biden's 47 years in public office? And, why exactly do you want Trump out of office?

No monosalybic answers please.



Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 18, 2020, 02:35:30 AM
Notice the middle Britannica Flag!!!
It reminds you the British Common Law & Order!!!
(https://headtopics.com/images/2020/12/12/sbsnews/thousands-of-donald-trump-supporters-rally-in-washington-to-protest-us-election-result-1337858033565585409.webp)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 18, 2020, 02:44:57 AM
I think you're right Biden will likely be President.

He will serve one term and then Republicans will take back the country.

I'm surprised you said that because you're highly suspicious of the Deep State. I'm not into conspiracy theories but I've opened my mind to understand we have corrupt people in our government, so corrupt, they want total control. If Biden becomes President, he won't convict the cheaters at any level. He will learn from the mistakes of this election and make it harder to detect cheating next election. He will use the media and social media to go after any possible Republican challengers by having them write up scandals before and during their run for the presidency. There won't be another Republican president ever. Trump has to stop this now or we lose the country, not try to run in 2024.

I totally agree with Billy!

Once a country begins to corrupt and deviate from the most successful British Style Common Law & Order, that country will be sliding down forever.  People's living standard will also be sliding forever.  Don't expect you will be able to correct it if you let it go TODAY!

I give 2 examples here, Philippine and People's Republic of China.  They are infamous of their corruption.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 18, 2020, 02:56:52 AM
I have told you already.  The Supreme Court may not be as fair as you wish!

John Roberts has turned out to be a BAD GUY!!!  Dis-Qualify him at once!!!
https://twitter.com/i/status/1308215776466403328

(https://themillennialbridge.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/66428596_467222727341469_3783504997430447352_n.jpg)

https://www.tmbfiles.com/haha-cant-wait-for-them-to-all-be-exposed-pain-prayforthechildren-2/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 18, 2020, 08:53:52 AM
Chi-merica has murdered 2 persons in Georgia.

That is the reason why Georgia Governor has flipped his decisions in 3 days.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 18, 2020, 09:07:57 AM
Billy we lost the country when Bush Jr was allowed to cover up who really did 9/11 and plunged the country into two foreign wars at a cost of Trillions of dollars. The "patriot act" increased the "deep state" power to spy on American citizens.

At least you have finally woken up a little bit as to how bad things are and may become.

Hopefully the crooks will be happy with the payola they're gonna get under Biden and the country will survive.

They know this country is their best breadwinner so hopefully they won't be stupid enough to destroy it.


Chi-merican Friend,
Let me list your present choices:

"Surrender and Improve" is never valid in human history.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 18, 2020, 11:20:52 AM
Billy we lost the country when Bush Jr was allowed to cover up who really did 9/11 and plunged the country into two foreign wars at a cost of Trillions of dollars. The "patriot act" increased the "deep state" power to spy on American citizens.

At least you have finally woken up a little bit as to how bad things are and may become.

Hopefully the crooks will be happy with the payola they're gonna get under Biden and the country will survive.

They know this country is their best breadwinner so hopefully they won't be stupid enough to destroy it.


Chi-merican Friend,
Let me list your present choices:
  • Surrender to and be slaved by Chi-merica tyrant;
  • Resist and Win.

"Surrender and Improve" is never valid in human history.

We are waiting for leadership from President Trump.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 18, 2020, 11:23:01 AM

Chief Justice Roberts flying on the Lolita Express to hang out with Bill Clinton at Epstein's pedophile island. They probably got video on him f'ing some kid and it's probably why he went from a Conservative judge to a Liberal judge overnight.

https://twitter.com/AOECOIN/status/1339647741119483904

Why do you believe everything you read on twitter? Nobody has anything on Roberts, it's just more far-right sore loserism.

Nah, it's you who dismisses everything without any investigation whatsoever.

You really don't know how honey trap operations work do you?

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on December 18, 2020, 12:43:50 PM

Chief Justice Roberts flying on the Lolita Express to hang out with Bill Clinton at Epstein's pedophile island. They probably got video on him f'ing some kid and it's probably why he went from a Conservative judge to a Liberal judge overnight.

https://twitter.com/AOECOIN/status/1339647741119483904

He doesn't know how anything whatsoever works unless it was posted on Politico, The Atlantic or the NYT
Why do you believe everything you read on twitter? Nobody has anything on Roberts, it's just more far-right sore loserism.

Nah, it's you who dismisses everything without any investigation whatsoever.

You really don't know how honey trap operations work do you?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on December 18, 2020, 01:19:00 PM
Earlier I mentioned 7 States sent dual electors to vote Dec 14th and it was ruled Biden won but the actual vote count is Jan 6th in Congress and the count is performed by VP Pence. Also a member of Congress can contest the count and a process will happen that will lead to Trump being declared the winner. An Arizona State House Rep and elector explains it much better than I can. If anybody doubts Trump is going to win, this is how he'll do it without the courts or military. Because dual electors were sent, this becomes the most likely scenario for Trump to win. Too bad our media can't educate us properly and as a result, most of the world falsely thinks Biden is President elect.

Neither you nor the idiot in the video understand the process that takes place on Jan. 6th. Trust me, on that day Biden will get his 306 electoral votes.

 So you are saying you know better than an Arizona house member?

 Congressman Jim Jordan is saying the same thing...


 This same thing happened in 2000, except no senators backed it. You need one house member and one senate member to object to the electors given, Jordan is going to object and I am pretty sure that at least Cruz will this time around. And according to what I understand when congress votes on it each State gets a vote, not each member. And with the Repubs having more States then the Dems the only way Trump would lose is if enough Repub States vote against him. Which I cannot see happening.

 I really don't know for sure, so if you say it won't happen then tell us why. Show us that Billy is wrong instead of just saying he is.   :coffeeread:

It happens just exactly as the ap fact check explains. Pence doesn't chose anything and for an objection to a state's electoral vote to succeed, it takes both the senate and house to agree on it. The house is controlled by democrats so any objection won't succeed. Biden will get his 306. That's the gist of it.

 I have read otherwise, that it doesn't matter if the Dems have the house, it's a one State one vote procedure. Like this article explains..

https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/verify-when-are-electoral-votes-cast-and-counted-what-if-congress-doesnt-approve-the-electoral-college-results/65-70016bb7-eb70-4493-8e2b-f44cd5c284fa

The U.S. code does allow Congress to object to electoral votes.

Here’s how it works: an objection needs to be in writing and signed by at least one Senator and one Representative.

In terms of what counts as a valid objection, Mulji said that the laws are vague.

"There isn't a ton of guidance about... what does and doesn't count as an objection," Mulji said. "Because these are internal rules of Congress, it's up to the houses of Congress to decide whether the objections are valid.”

After there’s an objection, the two houses will then hold separate votes on whether to accept or reject it.

If there’s a split decision, meaning the House voted one way and the Senate voted the other, the objection fails and votes are counted as originally cast.

From there, the typical electoral count continues. If a candidate gets a majority of votes at 270, then he or she officially wins.

If nobody has a majority during the Electoral College meeting, the vote goes to the House of Representatives, with each state getting one vote.


 I also found the same being said here...

file:///C:/Users/hpuser/Downloads/R40504.pdf

Contingent Election of the President and Vice
President by Congress: Perspectives and
Contemporary Analysis
Updated October 6, 2020

 In a contingent election, the House would choose among the three candidates who received the
most electoral votes. Each state, regardless of population, casts a single vote for President in a
contingent election. Representatives of states with two or more Representatives would therefore
need to conduct an internal poll within their state delegation to decide which candidate would
receive the state’s single vote. A majority of state votes, 26 or more, is required to elect, and the
House must vote “immediately” and “by ballot.” A


 AP's  fact checking claim can very well be wrong. That's why I'm asking, to try to find out what the actual procedure is. Because if it really is a one State one vote rule then Trump will probably win it in congress
It can be confusing but the way the electoral college is set up this year, it will be one man one vote in the house.

 So you are telling me that the rules laid out in the 12th amendment of the constitution can be changed ???
The 12th amemdmemt rules regarding the house only apply if no candidate gets 270 electoral votes. Biden will get 306 so the house will play no part.

 ^^^^^^
 You statement has absolutely nothing to do with what we were discussing. We were talking about what if the electors were disputed in congress, which looks like could be very possible. You claim the AP fact check was right and that it was a one man one vote situation, not one state one vote. I found what is written in the 12th amendment says otherwise. Does your attempt to deflect from the subject mean you might be wrong? No shame in admitting that you know!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 18, 2020, 03:55:48 PM
Earlier I mentioned 7 States sent dual electors to vote Dec 14th and it was ruled Biden won but the actual vote count is Jan 6th in Congress and the count is performed by VP Pence. Also a member of Congress can contest the count and a process will happen that will lead to Trump being declared the winner. An Arizona State House Rep and elector explains it much better than I can. If anybody doubts Trump is going to win, this is how he'll do it without the courts or military. Because dual electors were sent, this becomes the most likely scenario for Trump to win. Too bad our media can't educate us properly and as a result, most of the world falsely thinks Biden is President elect.

Neither you nor the idiot in the video understand the process that takes place on Jan. 6th. Trust me, on that day Biden will get his 306 electoral votes.

 So you are saying you know better than an Arizona house member?

 Congressman Jim Jordan is saying the same thing...


 This same thing happened in 2000, except no senators backed it. You need one house member and one senate member to object to the electors given, Jordan is going to object and I am pretty sure that at least Cruz will this time around. And according to what I understand when congress votes on it each State gets a vote, not each member. And with the Repubs having more States then the Dems the only way Trump would lose is if enough Repub States vote against him. Which I cannot see happening.

 I really don't know for sure, so if you say it won't happen then tell us why. Show us that Billy is wrong instead of just saying he is.   :coffeeread:

It happens just exactly as the ap fact check explains. Pence doesn't chose anything and for an objection to a state's electoral vote to succeed, it takes both the senate and house to agree on it. The house is controlled by democrats so any objection won't succeed. Biden will get his 306. That's the gist of it.

 I have read otherwise, that it doesn't matter if the Dems have the house, it's a one State one vote procedure. Like this article explains..

https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/verify-when-are-electoral-votes-cast-and-counted-what-if-congress-doesnt-approve-the-electoral-college-results/65-70016bb7-eb70-4493-8e2b-f44cd5c284fa

The U.S. code does allow Congress to object to electoral votes.

Here’s how it works: an objection needs to be in writing and signed by at least one Senator and one Representative.

In terms of what counts as a valid objection, Mulji said that the laws are vague.

"There isn't a ton of guidance about... what does and doesn't count as an objection," Mulji said. "Because these are internal rules of Congress, it's up to the houses of Congress to decide whether the objections are valid.”

After there’s an objection, the two houses will then hold separate votes on whether to accept or reject it.

If there’s a split decision, meaning the House voted one way and the Senate voted the other, the objection fails and votes are counted as originally cast.

From there, the typical electoral count continues. If a candidate gets a majority of votes at 270, then he or she officially wins.

If nobody has a majority during the Electoral College meeting, the vote goes to the House of Representatives, with each state getting one vote.


 I also found the same being said here...

file:///C:/Users/hpuser/Downloads/R40504.pdf

Contingent Election of the President and Vice
President by Congress: Perspectives and
Contemporary Analysis
Updated October 6, 2020

 In a contingent election, the House would choose among the three candidates who received the
most electoral votes. Each state, regardless of population, casts a single vote for President in a
contingent election. Representatives of states with two or more Representatives would therefore
need to conduct an internal poll within their state delegation to decide which candidate would
receive the state’s single vote. A majority of state votes, 26 or more, is required to elect, and the
House must vote “immediately” and “by ballot.” A


 AP's  fact checking claim can very well be wrong. That's why I'm asking, to try to find out what the actual procedure is. Because if it really is a one State one vote rule then Trump will probably win it in congress
It can be confusing but the way the electoral college is set up this year, it will be one man one vote in the house.

 So you are telling me that the rules laid out in the 12th amendment of the constitution can be changed ???
The 12th amemdmemt rules regarding the house only apply if no candidate gets 270 electoral votes. Biden will get 306 so the house will play no part.

 ^^^^^^
 You statement has absolutely nothing to do with what we were discussing. We were talking about what if the electors were disputed in congress, which looks like could be very possible. You claim the AP fact check was right and that it was a one man one vote situation, not one state one vote. I found what is written in the 12th amendment says otherwise. Does your attempt to deflect from the subject mean you might be wrong? No shame in admitting that you know!

As I said before, the 12th amendment rules regarding the house picking the president only come into play if no candidate receives 270 electoral votes (a majority). If a member of the senate and a member of the house challenge a state's electoral vote, the two houses of congress separately discuss the challenge for no more than 2 hours. After the 2 hours, a roll call (individual) vote is taken. For the electoral vote to fail, both the house and senate must agree. The majority of the house are democrats so the challenge to an electoral vote will fail. An objection to a state's electoral vote has only gone to a discussion twice (1968, 2004) and both failed. I don't know how I can make it any clearer.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 18, 2020, 03:59:00 PM

Chief Justice Roberts flying on the Lolita Express to hang out with Bill Clinton at Epstein's pedophile island. They probably got video on him f'ing some kid and it's probably why he went from a Conservative judge to a Liberal judge overnight.

https://twitter.com/AOECOIN/status/1339647741119483904

He doesn't know how anything whatsoever works unless it was posted on Politico, The Atlantic or the NYT
Why do you believe everything you read on twitter? Nobody has anything on Roberts, it's just more far-right sore loserism.

Nah, it's you who dismisses everything without any investigation whatsoever.

You really don't know how honey trap operations work do you?

You're a one trick pony FP. It's getting boring.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 18, 2020, 04:13:59 PM

Chief Justice Roberts flying on the Lolita Express to hang out with Bill Clinton at Epstein's pedophile island. They probably got video on him f'ing some kid and it's probably why he went from a Conservative judge to a Liberal judge overnight.

https://twitter.com/AOECOIN/status/1339647741119483904

Why do you believe everything you read on twitter? Nobody has anything on Roberts, it's just more far-right sore loserism.

Nah, it's you who dismisses everything without any investigation whatsoever.

You really don't know how honey trap operations work do you?

Roberts has simply become the far-rights new scape goat. Lin Wood has baselessly attacked Roberts for no reason.

1. That photo wasn't taken at Epstein's island, it was taken in the Dominican Republic.

2. No conversations could have been overheard at the Supreme Court because the SC hasn't met in person for the past 9 months due to covid. They do their discussions via conference calls.

3. If Wood has a recording of Roberts, why isn't he sharing it with the world? Because he's full of s**t.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on December 18, 2020, 04:18:42 PM


 I have read otherwise, that it doesn't matter if the Dems have the house, it's a one State one vote procedure. Like this article explains..

https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/verify-when-are-electoral-votes-cast-and-counted-what-if-congress-doesnt-approve-the-electoral-college-results/65-70016bb7-eb70-4493-8e2b-f44cd5c284fa

The U.S. code does allow Congress to object to electoral votes.

Here’s how it works: an objection needs to be in writing and signed by at least one Senator and one Representative.

In terms of what counts as a valid objection, Mulji said that the laws are vague.

"There isn't a ton of guidance about... what does and doesn't count as an objection," Mulji said. "Because these are internal rules of Congress, it's up to the houses of Congress to decide whether the objections are valid.”

After there’s an objection, the two houses will then hold separate votes on whether to accept or reject it.

If there’s a split decision, meaning the House voted one way and the Senate voted the other, the objection fails and votes are counted as originally cast.

From there, the typical electoral count continues. If a candidate gets a majority of votes at 270, then he or she officially wins.

If nobody has a majority during the Electoral College meeting, the vote goes to the House of Representatives, with each state getting one vote.


 I also found the same being said here...

file:///C:/Users/hpuser/Downloads/R40504.pdf

Contingent Election of the President and Vice
President by Congress: Perspectives and
Contemporary Analysis
Updated October 6, 2020

 In a contingent election, the House would choose among the three candidates who received the
most electoral votes. Each state, regardless of population, casts a single vote for President in a
contingent election. Representatives of states with two or more Representatives would therefore
need to conduct an internal poll within their state delegation to decide which candidate would
receive the state’s single vote. A majority of state votes, 26 or more, is required to elect, and the
House must vote “immediately” and “by ballot.” A


 AP's  fact checking claim can very well be wrong. That's why I'm asking, to try to find out what the actual procedure is. Because if it really is a one State one vote rule then Trump will probably win it in congress
It can be confusing but the way the electoral college is set up this year, it will be one man one vote in the house.

 So you are telling me that the rules laid out in the 12th amendment of the constitution can be changed ???
The 12th amemdmemt rules regarding the house only apply if no candidate gets 270 electoral votes. Biden will get 306 so the house will play no part.

 ^^^^^^
 You statement has absolutely nothing to do with what we were discussing. We were talking about what if the electors were disputed in congress, which looks like could be very possible. You claim the AP fact check was right and that it was a one man one vote situation, not one state one vote. I found what is written in the 12th amendment says otherwise. Does your attempt to deflect from the subject mean you might be wrong? No shame in admitting that you know!

As I said before, the 12th amendment rules regarding the house picking the president only come into play if no candidate receives 270 electoral votes (a majority). If a member of the senate and a member of the house challenge a state's electoral vote, the two houses of congress separately discuss the challenge for no more than 2 hours. After the 2 hours, a roll call (individual) vote is taken. For the electoral vote to fail, both the house and senate must agree. The majority of the house are democrats so the challenge to an electoral vote will fail. An objection to a state's electoral vote has only gone to a discussion twice (1968, 2004) and both failed. I don't know how I can make it any clearer.

 Ok, so why do you say that the majority the Democrats has in the house has any bearing when the links I gave above clearly say that each state has one vote, not each representative? If each representative had a vote then yes, I agree with you, Trump would be finished. But from what I read that is not the case, it really is one state, one vote. I left those links above showing this. If you have anything documentation showing otherwise I would like to see it.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 18, 2020, 04:18:53 PM
Billy we lost the country when Bush Jr was allowed to cover up who really did 9/11 and plunged the country into two foreign wars at a cost of Trillions of dollars. The "patriot act" increased the "deep state" power to spy on American citizens.

At least you have finally woken up a little bit as to how bad things are and may become.

Hopefully the crooks will be happy with the payola they're gonna get under Biden and the country will survive.

They know this country is their best breadwinner so hopefully they won't be stupid enough to destroy it.


Chi-merican Friend,
Let me list your present choices:
  • Surrender to and be slaved by Chi-merica tyrant;
  • Resist and Win.

"Surrender and Improve" is never valid in human history.

We are waiting for leadership from President Trump.

You're going to be waiting for a looooong time because Trump is AWOL and isn't leading or doing anything. He has stopped being president, even in the wake of Russia's huge cyberattack and Covid being the worst it's ever been. Don't expect him to do anything for the remainder of his presidency.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on December 18, 2020, 04:34:35 PM
Billy we lost the country when Bush Jr was allowed to cover up who really did 9/11 and plunged the country into two foreign wars at a cost of Trillions of dollars. The "patriot act" increased the "deep state" power to spy on American citizens.

At least you have finally woken up a little bit as to how bad things are and may become.

Hopefully the crooks will be happy with the payola they're gonna get under Biden and the country will survive.

They know this country is their best breadwinner so hopefully they won't be stupid enough to destroy it.


Chi-merican Friend,
Let me list your present choices:
  • Surrender to and be slaved by Chi-merica tyrant;
  • Resist and Win.

"Surrender and Improve" is never valid in human history.

We are waiting for leadership from President Trump.

You're going to be waiting for a looooong time because Trump is AWOL and isn't leading or doing anything. He has stopped being president, even in the wake of Russia's huge cyberattack and Covid being the worst it's ever been. Don't expect him to do anything for the remainder of his presidency.

 Yeah, sure he's doing nothing... here is a just a few things he has done since the election

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-brokered-peace-israel-kingdom-morocco/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/26/trump-executive-order-taskforce-violence-against-indigenous-women

https://www.voanews.com/usa/trump-signs-anti-doping-act-law

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-executive-order-coronavirus-vaccine-america-first
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 18, 2020, 04:38:07 PM


 I have read otherwise, that it doesn't matter if the Dems have the house, it's a one State one vote procedure. Like this article explains..

https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/verify-when-are-electoral-votes-cast-and-counted-what-if-congress-doesnt-approve-the-electoral-college-results/65-70016bb7-eb70-4493-8e2b-f44cd5c284fa

The U.S. code does allow Congress to object to electoral votes.

Here’s how it works: an objection needs to be in writing and signed by at least one Senator and one Representative.

In terms of what counts as a valid objection, Mulji said that the laws are vague.

"There isn't a ton of guidance about... what does and doesn't count as an objection," Mulji said. "Because these are internal rules of Congress, it's up to the houses of Congress to decide whether the objections are valid.”

After there’s an objection, the two houses will then hold separate votes on whether to accept or reject it.

If there’s a split decision, meaning the House voted one way and the Senate voted the other, the objection fails and votes are counted as originally cast.

From there, the typical electoral count continues. If a candidate gets a majority of votes at 270, then he or she officially wins.

If nobody has a majority during the Electoral College meeting, the vote goes to the House of Representatives, with each state getting one vote.


 I also found the same being said here...

file:///C:/Users/hpuser/Downloads/R40504.pdf

Contingent Election of the President and Vice
President by Congress: Perspectives and
Contemporary Analysis
Updated October 6, 2020

 In a contingent election, the House would choose among the three candidates who received the
most electoral votes. Each state, regardless of population, casts a single vote for President in a
contingent election. Representatives of states with two or more Representatives would therefore
need to conduct an internal poll within their state delegation to decide which candidate would
receive the state’s single vote. A majority of state votes, 26 or more, is required to elect, and the
House must vote “immediately” and “by ballot.” A


 AP's  fact checking claim can very well be wrong. That's why I'm asking, to try to find out what the actual procedure is. Because if it really is a one State one vote rule then Trump will probably win it in congress
It can be confusing but the way the electoral college is set up this year, it will be one man one vote in the house.

 So you are telling me that the rules laid out in the 12th amendment of the constitution can be changed ???
The 12th amemdmemt rules regarding the house only apply if no candidate gets 270 electoral votes. Biden will get 306 so the house will play no part.

 ^^^^^^
 You statement has absolutely nothing to do with what we were discussing. We were talking about what if the electors were disputed in congress, which looks like could be very possible. You claim the AP fact check was right and that it was a one man one vote situation, not one state one vote. I found what is written in the 12th amendment says otherwise. Does your attempt to deflect from the subject mean you might be wrong? No shame in admitting that you know!

As I said before, the 12th amendment rules regarding the house picking the president only come into play if no candidate receives 270 electoral votes (a majority). If a member of the senate and a member of the house challenge a state's electoral vote, the two houses of congress separately discuss the challenge for no more than 2 hours. After the 2 hours, a roll call (individual) vote is taken. For the electoral vote to fail, both the house and senate must agree. The majority of the house are democrats so the challenge to an electoral vote will fail. An objection to a state's electoral vote has only gone to a discussion twice (1968, 2004) and both failed. I don't know how I can make it any clearer.

 Ok, so why do you say that the majority the Democrats has in the house has any bearing when the links I gave above clearly say that each state has one vote, not each representative? If each representative had a vote then yes, I agree with you, Trump would be finished. But from what I read that is not the case, it really is one state, one vote. I left those links above showing this. If you have anything documentation showing otherwise I would like to see it.

The bottom line is that the 12th amendment isn't going to play any role in this year's election, none whatsoever.
The last time the 12th amendment came into play was 1877.

This explains the process of contesting a state's electoral vote -

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/electoral-college-presidential-election-results-trump-challenge/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 18, 2020, 04:46:24 PM
Billy we lost the country when Bush Jr was allowed to cover up who really did 9/11 and plunged the country into two foreign wars at a cost of Trillions of dollars. The "patriot act" increased the "deep state" power to spy on American citizens.

At least you have finally woken up a little bit as to how bad things are and may become.

Hopefully the crooks will be happy with the payola they're gonna get under Biden and the country will survive.

They know this country is their best breadwinner so hopefully they won't be stupid enough to destroy it.


Chi-merican Friend,
Let me list your present choices:
  • Surrender to and be slaved by Chi-merica tyrant;
  • Resist and Win.

"Surrender and Improve" is never valid in human history.

We are waiting for leadership from President Trump.

You're going to be waiting for a looooong time because Trump is AWOL and isn't leading or doing anything. He has stopped being president, even in the wake of Russia's huge cyberattack and Covid being the worst it's ever been. Don't expect him to do anything for the remainder of his presidency.

 Yeah, sure he's doing nothing... here is a just a few things he has done since the election

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-brokered-peace-israel-kingdom-morocco/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/26/trump-executive-order-taskforce-violence-against-indigenous-women

https://www.voanews.com/usa/trump-signs-anti-doping-act-law

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-executive-order-coronavirus-vaccine-america-first

Well, he's done 3 of those things. The taskforce for violence against indigenous women took place in 2019. Where is he lately? Why isn't he responding to the two major issues facing America right now?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on December 18, 2020, 05:22:45 PM


 I have read otherwise, that it doesn't matter if the Dems have the house, it's a one State one vote procedure. Like this article explains..

https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/verify-when-are-electoral-votes-cast-and-counted-what-if-congress-doesnt-approve-the-electoral-college-results/65-70016bb7-eb70-4493-8e2b-f44cd5c284fa

The U.S. code does allow Congress to object to electoral votes.

Here’s how it works: an objection needs to be in writing and signed by at least one Senator and one Representative.

In terms of what counts as a valid objection, Mulji said that the laws are vague.

"There isn't a ton of guidance about... what does and doesn't count as an objection," Mulji said. "Because these are internal rules of Congress, it's up to the houses of Congress to decide whether the objections are valid.”

After there’s an objection, the two houses will then hold separate votes on whether to accept or reject it.

If there’s a split decision, meaning the House voted one way and the Senate voted the other, the objection fails and votes are counted as originally cast.

From there, the typical electoral count continues. If a candidate gets a majority of votes at 270, then he or she officially wins.

If nobody has a majority during the Electoral College meeting, the vote goes to the House of Representatives, with each state getting one vote.


 I also found the same being said here...

file:///C:/Users/hpuser/Downloads/R40504.pdf

Contingent Election of the President and Vice
President by Congress: Perspectives and
Contemporary Analysis
Updated October 6, 2020

 In a contingent election, the House would choose among the three candidates who received the
most electoral votes. Each state, regardless of population, casts a single vote for President in a
contingent election. Representatives of states with two or more Representatives would therefore
need to conduct an internal poll within their state delegation to decide which candidate would
receive the state’s single vote. A majority of state votes, 26 or more, is required to elect, and the
House must vote “immediately” and “by ballot.” A


 AP's  fact checking claim can very well be wrong. That's why I'm asking, to try to find out what the actual procedure is. Because if it really is a one State one vote rule then Trump will probably win it in congress
It can be confusing but the way the electoral college is set up this year, it will be one man one vote in the house.

 So you are telling me that the rules laid out in the 12th amendment of the constitution can be changed ???
The 12th amemdmemt rules regarding the house only apply if no candidate gets 270 electoral votes. Biden will get 306 so the house will play no part.

 ^^^^^^
 You statement has absolutely nothing to do with what we were discussing. We were talking about what if the electors were disputed in congress, which looks like could be very possible. You claim the AP fact check was right and that it was a one man one vote situation, not one state one vote. I found what is written in the 12th amendment says otherwise. Does your attempt to deflect from the subject mean you might be wrong? No shame in admitting that you know!

As I said before, the 12th amendment rules regarding the house picking the president only come into play if no candidate receives 270 electoral votes (a majority). If a member of the senate and a member of the house challenge a state's electoral vote, the two houses of congress separately discuss the challenge for no more than 2 hours. After the 2 hours, a roll call (individual) vote is taken. For the electoral vote to fail, both the house and senate must agree. The majority of the house are democrats so the challenge to an electoral vote will fail. An objection to a state's electoral vote has only gone to a discussion twice (1968, 2004) and both failed. I don't know how I can make it any clearer.

 Ok, so why do you say that the majority the Democrats has in the house has any bearing when the links I gave above clearly say that each state has one vote, not each representative? If each representative had a vote then yes, I agree with you, Trump would be finished. But from what I read that is not the case, it really is one state, one vote. I left those links above showing this. If you have anything documentation showing otherwise I would like to see it.

The bottom line is that the 12th amendment isn't going to play any role in this year's election, none whatsoever.
The last time the 12th amendment came into play was 1877.

This explains the process of contesting a state's electoral vote -

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/electoral-college-presidential-election-results-trump-challenge/

 Ahhhhh! Now I see the problem... you believe CBS! Well here's a newsflash for you... they are wrong! It is NOT one vote per representative ( like I've said many many times). It is one vote per State. All you have to do is look it up.. go read the 12th amendment. It's so easy! I even gave you a link to it to help you out.

 Geez, it's like I'm talking politics to a clueless little kid. You come on here guns a blazing calling people idiots, saying state senators don't know what they are talking about, and after I ask you a couple simple questions you prove to us that it's you who has no idea wtf you're talking about. Yes, we get it, you hate Trump. Fine, it's alright to do that. But don't give me some bullshit about how your elections work if you are not sure about it. I'm trying to learn about how the procedures work myself, there is so much misinformation out there a guy doesn't know what to believe. But obviously I can't go by what you say, I'll keep that in mind next time you post
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on December 18, 2020, 05:30:17 PM
Billy we lost the country when Bush Jr was allowed to cover up who really did 9/11 and plunged the country into two foreign wars at a cost of Trillions of dollars. The "patriot act" increased the "deep state" power to spy on American citizens.

At least you have finally woken up a little bit as to how bad things are and may become.

Hopefully the crooks will be happy with the payola they're gonna get under Biden and the country will survive.

They know this country is their best breadwinner so hopefully they won't be stupid enough to destroy it.


Chi-merican Friend,
Let me list your present choices:
  • Surrender to and be slaved by Chi-merica tyrant;
  • Resist and Win.

"Surrender and Improve" is never valid in human history.

We are waiting for leadership from President Trump.

You're going to be waiting for a looooong time because Trump is AWOL and isn't leading or doing anything. He has stopped being president, even in the wake of Russia's huge cyberattack and Covid being the worst it's ever been. Don't expect him to do anything for the remainder of his presidency.

 Yeah, sure he's doing nothing... here is a just a few things he has done since the election

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-brokered-peace-israel-kingdom-morocco/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/26/trump-executive-order-taskforce-violence-against-indigenous-women

https://www.voanews.com/usa/trump-signs-anti-doping-act-law

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-executive-order-coronavirus-vaccine-america-first

Well, he's done 3 of those things. The taskforce for violence against indigenous women took place in 2019. Where is he lately? Why isn't he responding to the two major issues facing America right now?

 So you were bullshitting us again when you said he's done nothing. Got it!   :thumbsup:

 And he IS responding to your two most important issues... vaccines are coming out even though your precious msm said there was no way it would be done this year, and he is fighting voter fraud which is probably the most serious threat to your republic since it was formed. Whether you choose to acknowledge that or not is up to you.   :coffeeread:

 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 18, 2020, 07:00:22 PM


 I have read otherwise, that it doesn't matter if the Dems have the house, it's a one State one vote procedure. Like this article explains..

https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/verify-when-are-electoral-votes-cast-and-counted-what-if-congress-doesnt-approve-the-electoral-college-results/65-70016bb7-eb70-4493-8e2b-f44cd5c284fa

The U.S. code does allow Congress to object to electoral votes.

Here’s how it works: an objection needs to be in writing and signed by at least one Senator and one Representative.

In terms of what counts as a valid objection, Mulji said that the laws are vague.

"There isn't a ton of guidance about... what does and doesn't count as an objection," Mulji said. "Because these are internal rules of Congress, it's up to the houses of Congress to decide whether the objections are valid.”

After there’s an objection, the two houses will then hold separate votes on whether to accept or reject it.

If there’s a split decision, meaning the House voted one way and the Senate voted the other, the objection fails and votes are counted as originally cast.

From there, the typical electoral count continues. If a candidate gets a majority of votes at 270, then he or she officially wins.

If nobody has a majority during the Electoral College meeting, the vote goes to the House of Representatives, with each state getting one vote.


 I also found the same being said here...

file:///C:/Users/hpuser/Downloads/R40504.pdf

Contingent Election of the President and Vice
President by Congress: Perspectives and
Contemporary Analysis
Updated October 6, 2020

 In a contingent election, the House would choose among the three candidates who received the
most electoral votes. Each state, regardless of population, casts a single vote for President in a
contingent election. Representatives of states with two or more Representatives would therefore
need to conduct an internal poll within their state delegation to decide which candidate would
receive the state’s single vote. A majority of state votes, 26 or more, is required to elect, and the
House must vote “immediately” and “by ballot.” A


 AP's  fact checking claim can very well be wrong. That's why I'm asking, to try to find out what the actual procedure is. Because if it really is a one State one vote rule then Trump will probably win it in congress
It can be confusing but the way the electoral college is set up this year, it will be one man one vote in the house.

 So you are telling me that the rules laid out in the 12th amendment of the constitution can be changed ???
The 12th amemdmemt rules regarding the house only apply if no candidate gets 270 electoral votes. Biden will get 306 so the house will play no part.

 ^^^^^^
 You statement has absolutely nothing to do with what we were discussing. We were talking about what if the electors were disputed in congress, which looks like could be very possible. You claim the AP fact check was right and that it was a one man one vote situation, not one state one vote. I found what is written in the 12th amendment says otherwise. Does your attempt to deflect from the subject mean you might be wrong? No shame in admitting that you know!

As I said before, the 12th amendment rules regarding the house picking the president only come into play if no candidate receives 270 electoral votes (a majority). If a member of the senate and a member of the house challenge a state's electoral vote, the two houses of congress separately discuss the challenge for no more than 2 hours. After the 2 hours, a roll call (individual) vote is taken. For the electoral vote to fail, both the house and senate must agree. The majority of the house are democrats so the challenge to an electoral vote will fail. An objection to a state's electoral vote has only gone to a discussion twice (1968, 2004) and both failed. I don't know how I can make it any clearer.

 Ok, so why do you say that the majority the Democrats has in the house has any bearing when the links I gave above clearly say that each state has one vote, not each representative? If each representative had a vote then yes, I agree with you, Trump would be finished. But from what I read that is not the case, it really is one state, one vote. I left those links above showing this. If you have anything documentation showing otherwise I would like to see it.

The bottom line is that the 12th amendment isn't going to play any role in this year's election, none whatsoever.
The last time the 12th amendment came into play was 1877.

This explains the process of contesting a state's electoral vote -

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/electoral-college-presidential-election-results-trump-challenge/

 Ahhhhh! Now I see the problem... you believe CBS! Well here's a newsflash for you... they are wrong! It is NOT one vote per representative ( like I've said many many times). It is one vote per State. All you have to do is look it up.. go read the 12th amendment. It's so easy! I even gave you a link to it to help you out.

 Geez, it's like I'm talking politics to a clueless little kid. You come on here guns a blazing calling people idiots, saying state senators don't know what they are talking about, and after I ask you a couple simple questions you prove to us that it's you who has no idea wtf you're talking about. Yes, we get it, you hate Trump. Fine, it's alright to do that. But don't give me some bullshit about how your elections work if you are not sure about it. I'm trying to learn about how the procedures work myself, there is so much misinformation out there a guy doesn't know what to believe. But obviously I can't go by what you say, I'll keep that in mind next time you post

I've explained things to the point that any 5 year old could understand. There is a difference between contesting a state"s electoral vote and the 12th ammendment. Like I said, THE 12TH AMMENDMENT DOES NOT APPLY TO THIS ELECTION!! CBS explains the process of contesting a state's electoral vote very accurately and that probably will happen on Jan.6th. It's that simple.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 18, 2020, 07:05:27 PM
Billy we lost the country when Bush Jr was allowed to cover up who really did 9/11 and plunged the country into two foreign wars at a cost of Trillions of dollars. The "patriot act" increased the "deep state" power to spy on American citizens.

At least you have finally woken up a little bit as to how bad things are and may become.

Hopefully the crooks will be happy with the payola they're gonna get under Biden and the country will survive.

They know this country is their best breadwinner so hopefully they won't be stupid enough to destroy it.


Chi-merican Friend,
Let me list your present choices:
  • Surrender to and be slaved by Chi-merica tyrant;
  • Resist and Win.

"Surrender and Improve" is never valid in human history.

We are waiting for leadership from President Trump.

You're going to be waiting for a looooong time because Trump is AWOL and isn't leading or doing anything. He has stopped being president, even in the wake of Russia's huge cyberattack and Covid being the worst it's ever been. Don't expect him to do anything for the remainder of his presidency.

 Yeah, sure he's doing nothing... here is a just a few things he has done since the election

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-brokered-peace-israel-kingdom-morocco/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/26/trump-executive-order-taskforce-violence-against-indigenous-women

https://www.voanews.com/usa/trump-signs-anti-doping-act-law

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-executive-order-coronavirus-vaccine-america-first

Well, he's done 3 of those things. The taskforce for violence against indigenous women took place in 2019. Where is he lately? Why isn't he responding to the two major issues facing America right now?

 So you were bullshitting us again when you said he's done nothing. Got it!   :thumbsup:

 And he IS responding to your two most important issues... vaccines are coming out even though your precious msm said there was no way it would be done this year, and he is fighting voter fraud which is probably the most serious threat to your republic since it was formed. Whether you choose to acknowledge that or not is up to you.   :coffeeread:

Trump has been compltely silent about Covid which is at it's worst inthe US. He has also done NOTHING about the Russian cyberattack.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on December 18, 2020, 08:04:45 PM

I've explained things to the point that any 5 year old could understand. There is a difference between contesting a state"s electoral vote and the 12th ammendment. Like I said, THE 12TH AMMENDMENT DOES NOT APPLY TO THIS ELECTION!! CBS explains the process of contesting a state's electoral vote very accurately and that probably will happen on Jan.6th. It's that simple.

 Wrong again, the 12th amendment applies to EVERY federal election. It is basically the rulebook on how the election is run. I also highlighted the part where CBS is wrong about the votes. Read this and learn something...

file:///C:/Users/hpuser/Downloads/R40504.pdf

The 12th Amendment to the Constitution requires that presidential and vice presidential candidates
gain “a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed” in order to win election. With a total
of 538 electors representing the 50 states and the District of Columbia, 270 electoral votes is the
“magic number,” the arithmetic majority necessary to win the presidency.
What would happen if no candidate won a majority of electoral votes? In these circumstances, the
12
th Amendment also provides that the House of Representatives would elect the President, and
the Senate would elect the Vice President, in a procedure known as “contingent election.”
Contingent election has been implemented twice in the nation’s history under the 12th
Amendment: first, to elect the President in 1825, and second, the Vice President in 1837.
In a contingent election, the House would choose among the three candidates who received the
most electoral votes. Each state, regardless of population, casts a single vote for President in a
contingent election. Representatives of states with two or more Representatives would therefore
need to conduct an internal poll within their state delegation to decide which candidate would
receive the state’s single vote.
A majority of state votes, 26 or more, is required to elect, and the
House must vote “immediately” and “by ballot.” Additional precedents exist from 1825, but they
would not be binding on the House in a contemporary election. In a contingent election, the
Senate elects the Vice President, choosing one of the two candidates who received the most
electoral votes. Each Senator casts a single vote, and the votes of a majority of the whole Senate,
51 or more, are necessary to elect. The District of Columbia, which is not a state, would not
participate in a contingent election, despite the fact that it casts three electoral votes.
Although contingent election has been implemented only once each for President and Vice
President since the 12th Amendment was ratified, the failure to win an electoral college majority is
a potential outcome in any presidential election. Some examples include an election closely
contested by two major candidates, one in which one or more third-party or independent
candidacies might win a portion of the electoral vote, or one involving defections by a significant
number of so-called “faithless” electors.
A contingent election would be conducted by a newly elected Congress, immediately following
the joint congressional session that counts and certifies electoral votes. This session is set by law
for January 6 of the year following the presidential election, but is occasionally rescheduled. If
the House is unable to elect a President by the January 20 inauguration day, the 20th Amendment
provides that the Vice President-elect would act as President until the impasse is resolved. If
neither a President nor Vice President has been chosen by inauguration day, the Presidential
Succession Act applies, under which the Speaker of the House of Representatives, the President
pro tempore of the Senate, or a Cabinet officer, in that order, would act as President until a
President or Vice President qualifies.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on December 18, 2020, 08:15:48 PM
Billy we lost the country when Bush Jr was allowed to cover up who really did 9/11 and plunged the country into two foreign wars at a cost of Trillions of dollars. The "patriot act" increased the "deep state" power to spy on American citizens.

At least you have finally woken up a little bit as to how bad things are and may become.

Hopefully the crooks will be happy with the payola they're gonna get under Biden and the country will survive.

They know this country is their best breadwinner so hopefully they won't be stupid enough to destroy it.


Chi-merican Friend,
Let me list your present choices:
  • Surrender to and be slaved by Chi-merica tyrant;
  • Resist and Win.

"Surrender and Improve" is never valid in human history.

We are waiting for leadership from President Trump.

You're going to be waiting for a looooong time because Trump is AWOL and isn't leading or doing anything. He has stopped being president, even in the wake of Russia's huge cyberattack and Covid being the worst it's ever been. Don't expect him to do anything for the remainder of his presidency.

 Yeah, sure he's doing nothing... here is a just a few things he has done since the election

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-brokered-peace-israel-kingdom-morocco/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/26/trump-executive-order-taskforce-violence-against-indigenous-women

https://www.voanews.com/usa/trump-signs-anti-doping-act-law

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-executive-order-coronavirus-vaccine-america-first

Well, he's done 3 of those things. The taskforce for violence against indigenous women took place in 2019. Where is he lately? Why isn't he responding to the two major issues facing America right now?

 So you were bullshitting us again when you said he's done nothing. Got it!   :thumbsup:

 And he IS responding to your two most important issues... vaccines are coming out even though your precious msm said there was no way it would be done this year, and he is fighting voter fraud which is probably the most serious threat to your republic since it was formed. Whether you choose to acknowledge that or not is up to you.   :coffeeread:

Trump has been compltely silent about Covid which is at it's worst inthe US. He has also done NOTHING about the Russian cyberattack.

 Lol! Do you realize how stupid that sounds right after you acknowledged that he did do this?

 https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-executive-order-coronavirus-vaccine-america-first

 And number one, the cyber attack just just happened, and number two, it is nothing compared to the voter fraud.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 18, 2020, 09:30:02 PM

Chief Justice Roberts flying on the Lolita Express to hang out with Bill Clinton at Epstein's pedophile island. They probably got video on him f'ing some kid and it's probably why he went from a Conservative judge to a Liberal judge overnight.

https://twitter.com/AOECOIN/status/1339647741119483904

He doesn't know how anything whatsoever works unless it was posted on Politico, The Atlantic or the NYT
Why do you believe everything you read on twitter? Nobody has anything on Roberts, it's just more far-right sore loserism.

Nah, it's you who dismisses everything without any investigation whatsoever.

You really don't know how honey trap operations work do you?

You're a one trick pony FP. It's getting boring.

You're quoting me, but thank you.

I think his comment may have been edited.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 18, 2020, 09:35:20 PM


 I have read otherwise, that it doesn't matter if the Dems have the house, it's a one State one vote procedure. Like this article explains..

https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/verify-when-are-electoral-votes-cast-and-counted-what-if-congress-doesnt-approve-the-electoral-college-results/65-70016bb7-eb70-4493-8e2b-f44cd5c284fa

The U.S. code does allow Congress to object to electoral votes.

Here’s how it works: an objection needs to be in writing and signed by at least one Senator and one Representative.

In terms of what counts as a valid objection, Mulji said that the laws are vague.

"There isn't a ton of guidance about... what does and doesn't count as an objection," Mulji said. "Because these are internal rules of Congress, it's up to the houses of Congress to decide whether the objections are valid.”

After there’s an objection, the two houses will then hold separate votes on whether to accept or reject it.

If there’s a split decision, meaning the House voted one way and the Senate voted the other, the objection fails and votes are counted as originally cast.

From there, the typical electoral count continues. If a candidate gets a majority of votes at 270, then he or she officially wins.

If nobody has a majority during the Electoral College meeting, the vote goes to the House of Representatives, with each state getting one vote.


 I also found the same being said here...

file:///C:/Users/hpuser/Downloads/R40504.pdf

Contingent Election of the President and Vice
President by Congress: Perspectives and
Contemporary Analysis
Updated October 6, 2020

 In a contingent election, the House would choose among the three candidates who received the
most electoral votes. Each state, regardless of population, casts a single vote for President in a
contingent election. Representatives of states with two or more Representatives would therefore
need to conduct an internal poll within their state delegation to decide which candidate would
receive the state’s single vote. A majority of state votes, 26 or more, is required to elect, and the
House must vote “immediately” and “by ballot.” A


 AP's  fact checking claim can very well be wrong. That's why I'm asking, to try to find out what the actual procedure is. Because if it really is a one State one vote rule then Trump will probably win it in congress
It can be confusing but the way the electoral college is set up this year, it will be one man one vote in the house.

 So you are telling me that the rules laid out in the 12th amendment of the constitution can be changed ???
The 12th amemdmemt rules regarding the house only apply if no candidate gets 270 electoral votes. Biden will get 306 so the house will play no part.

 ^^^^^^
 You statement has absolutely nothing to do with what we were discussing. We were talking about what if the electors were disputed in congress, which looks like could be very possible. You claim the AP fact check was right and that it was a one man one vote situation, not one state one vote. I found what is written in the 12th amendment says otherwise. Does your attempt to deflect from the subject mean you might be wrong? No shame in admitting that you know!

As I said before, the 12th amendment rules regarding the house picking the president only come into play if no candidate receives 270 electoral votes (a majority). If a member of the senate and a member of the house challenge a state's electoral vote, the two houses of congress separately discuss the challenge for no more than 2 hours. After the 2 hours, a roll call (individual) vote is taken. For the electoral vote to fail, both the house and senate must agree. The majority of the house are democrats so the challenge to an electoral vote will fail. An objection to a state's electoral vote has only gone to a discussion twice (1968, 2004) and both failed. I don't know how I can make it any clearer.

 Ok, so why do you say that the majority the Democrats has in the house has any bearing when the links I gave above clearly say that each state has one vote, not each representative? If each representative had a vote then yes, I agree with you, Trump would be finished. But from what I read that is not the case, it really is one state, one vote. I left those links above showing this. If you have anything documentation showing otherwise I would like to see it.

That would be AFTER they (the entire Congress) agreed to vote for President.

As I wrote before, the Democrat controlled House will NOT go along with that. At least this is my understanding.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 18, 2020, 09:37:45 PM

I've explained things to the point that any 5 year old could understand. There is a difference between contesting a state"s electoral vote and the 12th ammendment. Like I said, THE 12TH AMMENDMENT DOES NOT APPLY TO THIS ELECTION!! CBS explains the process of contesting a state's electoral vote very accurately and that probably will happen on Jan.6th. It's that simple.

 Wrong again, the 12th amendment applies to EVERY federal election. It is basically the rulebook on how the election is run. I also highlighted the part where CBS is wrong about the votes. Read this and learn something...

file:///C:/Users/hpuser/Downloads/R40504.pdf

The 12th Amendment to the Constitution requires that presidential and vice presidential candidates
gain “a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed” in order to win election. With a total
of 538 electors representing the 50 states and the District of Columbia, 270 electoral votes is the
“magic number,” the arithmetic majority necessary to win the presidency.
What would happen if no candidate won a majority of electoral votes? In these circumstances, the
12
th Amendment also provides that the House of Representatives would elect the President, and
the Senate would elect the Vice President, in a procedure known as “contingent election.”
Contingent election has been implemented twice in the nation’s history under the 12th
Amendment: first, to elect the President in 1825, and second, the Vice President in 1837.
In a contingent election, the House would choose among the three candidates who received the
most electoral votes. Each state, regardless of population, casts a single vote for President in a
contingent election. Representatives of states with two or more Representatives would therefore
need to conduct an internal poll within their state delegation to decide which candidate would
receive the state’s single vote.
A majority of state votes, 26 or more, is required to elect, and the
House must vote “immediately” and “by ballot.” Additional precedents exist from 1825, but they
would not be binding on the House in a contemporary election. In a contingent election, the
Senate elects the Vice President, choosing one of the two candidates who received the most
electoral votes. Each Senator casts a single vote, and the votes of a majority of the whole Senate,
51 or more, are necessary to elect. The District of Columbia, which is not a state, would not
participate in a contingent election, despite the fact that it casts three electoral votes.
Although contingent election has been implemented only once each for President and Vice
President since the 12th Amendment was ratified, the failure to win an electoral college majority is
a potential outcome in any presidential election. Some examples include an election closely
contested by two major candidates, one in which one or more third-party or independent
candidacies might win a portion of the electoral vote, or one involving defections by a significant
number of so-called “faithless” electors.
A contingent election would be conducted by a newly elected Congress, immediately following
the joint congressional session that counts and certifies electoral votes. This session is set by law
for January 6 of the year following the presidential election, but is occasionally rescheduled. If
the House is unable to elect a President by the January 20 inauguration day, the 20th Amendment
provides that the Vice President-elect would act as President until the impasse is resolved. If
neither a President nor Vice President has been chosen by inauguration day, the Presidential
Succession Act applies, under which the Speaker of the House of Representatives, the President
pro tempore of the Senate, or a Cabinet officer, in that order, would act as President until a
President or Vice President qualifies.

The 12th Amendment to the Constitution requires that presidential and vice presidential candidates
gain “a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed” in order to win election. With a total
of 538 electors representing the 50 states and the District of Columbia, 270 electoral votes is the
“magic number,” the arithmetic majority necessary to win the presidency.


That's the only part of the 12th amendment which applies to modern elections. Biden has 306 electoral votes, more than the 270 he needs to win. What happens on Jan. 6th is largely ceremonial and Biden's 306 electoral votes will not change. CBS is 100% accurate because it addresses what happens if someone objects to a state's electoral vote, a different thing than the 12th amendment as I have posted for the third time now.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: tfcrew on December 18, 2020, 10:59:13 PM
The Dems control the House, therefore a Trump victory via Congress is extremely unlikely.
I had guessed as much and now I see it reported...Why the courts kept throwing out the election suits----


A government based on fear...how utterly communist of them.
 
 
 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 18, 2020, 11:03:28 PM
The Dems control the House, therefore a Trump victory via Congress is extremely unlikely.
I had guessed as much and now I see it reported...Why the courts kept throwing out the election suits----


A government based on fear...how utterly communist of them.
 
 
 

As I wrote earlier, the Supreme Court hasn't met in person for the last 9 months due to Covid. They discuss cases by teleconference.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 18, 2020, 11:17:47 PM
1. That photo wasn't taken at Epstein's island, it was taken in the Dominican Republic.


Where's your evidence? Regardless of where he was, he was with playboy Bill Clinton and other known frequent fliers of the Lolita Express. The liberal media needs to stick a microphone and camera in Justice Roberts face and ask him straight up if he is the John Roberts that is listed multiple times on flight logs of the Lolita Express. Bill Clinton was there dozens of times.

As some of you know by now, the Pentagon stopped giving Biden briefings. A senior Trump campaign advisor says Biden couldn't get even a low level security clearance because he may be compromised by the Chinese.

https://twitter.com/CortesSteve/status/1339954056597532683


General Flynn says other countries have monitored our elections and will share their intelligence with Trump. I know Germany was monitoring because the day after the election the German Defense Minister said pertaining to our elections it's an explosive situation and can lead to a Constitutional crisis. Flynn also says he believes the American people will support Trump in whatever he'll do in response to the cyber assault we recently experienced. Democrats will tell you we just experienced a Pearl Harbor sized cyber attack and they also will tell you with a straight face we just had the safest, most secure election in American history.  Anybody know what Biden's response was and what he'll do about it?

https://twitter.com/TArrived17/status/1340064354679599107


Biden usually tweets multiple times a day. He's been silent for over 24 hrs.

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden


Arizona county officials refuse to turn over voting machines to State. What do they have to hide?

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1340026532836896768


Dominion Voting Systems>Staple Street Capital>UBS>China

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If your President bends the knee, history will remember him ONLY by his final act of surrender.

Not his accomplishments.

His surrender.

If you think he is going to go out like that, you don't know anything

https://twitter.com/tom2badcat/status/1340093925021937666[/size]
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on December 18, 2020, 11:29:32 PM

I've explained things to the point that any 5 year old could understand. There is a difference between contesting a state"s electoral vote and the 12th ammendment. Like I said, THE 12TH AMMENDMENT DOES NOT APPLY TO THIS ELECTION!! CBS explains the process of contesting a state's electoral vote very accurately and that probably will happen on Jan.6th. It's that simple.

 Wrong again, the 12th amendment applies to EVERY federal election. It is basically the rulebook on how the election is run. I also highlighted the part where CBS is wrong about the votes. Read this and learn something...

file:///C:/Users/hpuser/Downloads/R40504.pdf

The 12th Amendment to the Constitution requires that presidential and vice presidential candidates
gain “a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed” in order to win election. With a total
of 538 electors representing the 50 states and the District of Columbia, 270 electoral votes is the
“magic number,” the arithmetic majority necessary to win the presidency.
What would happen if no candidate won a majority of electoral votes? In these circumstances, the
12
th Amendment also provides that the House of Representatives would elect the President, and
the Senate would elect the Vice President, in a procedure known as “contingent election.”
Contingent election has been implemented twice in the nation’s history under the 12th
Amendment: first, to elect the President in 1825, and second, the Vice President in 1837.
In a contingent election, the House would choose among the three candidates who received the
most electoral votes. Each state, regardless of population, casts a single vote for President in a
contingent election. Representatives of states with two or more Representatives would therefore
need to conduct an internal poll within their state delegation to decide which candidate would
receive the state’s single vote.
A majority of state votes, 26 or more, is required to elect, and the
House must vote “immediately” and “by ballot.” Additional precedents exist from 1825, but they
would not be binding on the House in a contemporary election. In a contingent election, the
Senate elects the Vice President, choosing one of the two candidates who received the most
electoral votes. Each Senator casts a single vote, and the votes of a majority of the whole Senate,
51 or more, are necessary to elect. The District of Columbia, which is not a state, would not
participate in a contingent election, despite the fact that it casts three electoral votes.
Although contingent election has been implemented only once each for President and Vice
President since the 12th Amendment was ratified, the failure to win an electoral college majority is
a potential outcome in any presidential election. Some examples include an election closely
contested by two major candidates, one in which one or more third-party or independent
candidacies might win a portion of the electoral vote, or one involving defections by a significant
number of so-called “faithless” electors.
A contingent election would be conducted by a newly elected Congress, immediately following
the joint congressional session that counts and certifies electoral votes. This session is set by law
for January 6 of the year following the presidential election, but is occasionally rescheduled. If
the House is unable to elect a President by the January 20 inauguration day, the 20th Amendment
provides that the Vice President-elect would act as President until the impasse is resolved. If
neither a President nor Vice President has been chosen by inauguration day, the Presidential
Succession Act applies, under which the Speaker of the House of Representatives, the President
pro tempore of the Senate, or a Cabinet officer, in that order, would act as President until a
President or Vice President qualifies.

The 12th Amendment to the Constitution requires that presidential and vice presidential candidates
gain “a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed” in order to win election. With a total
of 538 electors representing the 50 states and the District of Columbia, 270 electoral votes is the
“magic number,” the arithmetic majority necessary to win the presidency.


That's the only part of the 12th amendment which applies to modern elections. Biden has 306 electoral votes, more than the 270 he needs to win. What happens on Jan. 6th is largely ceremonial and Biden's 306 electoral votes will not change. CBS is 100% accurate because it addresses what happens if someone objects to a state's electoral vote, a different thing than the 12th amendment as I have posted for the third time now.

WRONG.  It is usually ceremonial when the election isn't contested. The election is fraudulent and will be contested. The evidence of fraud is overwhelming. 6 states while certified by the states are still very much contested which bring to the the table all of the electors in those 6 states. CBS is wrong and you are free to post it 3 more times if you wish, you'll still be wrong. The debate among the House and Senate will be to send the electors back to their respective state legislatures or accept them as presented. They may or may not accept the electors as presented. That is to be determined. Congress may also decide to take a state vote which is unlikely. Your sources continue to make you look like a fool
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 19, 2020, 12:12:38 AM

I've explained things to the point that any 5 year old could understand. There is a difference between contesting a state"s electoral vote and the 12th ammendment. Like I said, THE 12TH AMMENDMENT DOES NOT APPLY TO THIS ELECTION!! CBS explains the process of contesting a state's electoral vote very accurately and that probably will happen on Jan.6th. It's that simple.

 Wrong again, the 12th amendment applies to EVERY federal election. It is basically the rulebook on how the election is run. I also highlighted the part where CBS is wrong about the votes. Read this and learn something...

file:///C:/Users/hpuser/Downloads/R40504.pdf

The 12th Amendment to the Constitution requires that presidential and vice presidential candidates
gain “a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed” in order to win election. With a total
of 538 electors representing the 50 states and the District of Columbia, 270 electoral votes is the
“magic number,” the arithmetic majority necessary to win the presidency.
What would happen if no candidate won a majority of electoral votes? In these circumstances, the
12
th Amendment also provides that the House of Representatives would elect the President, and
the Senate would elect the Vice President, in a procedure known as “contingent election.”
Contingent election has been implemented twice in the nation’s history under the 12th
Amendment: first, to elect the President in 1825, and second, the Vice President in 1837.
In a contingent election, the House would choose among the three candidates who received the
most electoral votes. Each state, regardless of population, casts a single vote for President in a
contingent election. Representatives of states with two or more Representatives would therefore
need to conduct an internal poll within their state delegation to decide which candidate would
receive the state’s single vote.
A majority of state votes, 26 or more, is required to elect, and the
House must vote “immediately” and “by ballot.” Additional precedents exist from 1825, but they
would not be binding on the House in a contemporary election. In a contingent election, the
Senate elects the Vice President, choosing one of the two candidates who received the most
electoral votes. Each Senator casts a single vote, and the votes of a majority of the whole Senate,
51 or more, are necessary to elect. The District of Columbia, which is not a state, would not
participate in a contingent election, despite the fact that it casts three electoral votes.
Although contingent election has been implemented only once each for President and Vice
President since the 12th Amendment was ratified, the failure to win an electoral college majority is
a potential outcome in any presidential election. Some examples include an election closely
contested by two major candidates, one in which one or more third-party or independent
candidacies might win a portion of the electoral vote, or one involving defections by a significant
number of so-called “faithless” electors.
A contingent election would be conducted by a newly elected Congress, immediately following
the joint congressional session that counts and certifies electoral votes. This session is set by law
for January 6 of the year following the presidential election, but is occasionally rescheduled. If
the House is unable to elect a President by the January 20 inauguration day, the 20th Amendment
provides that the Vice President-elect would act as President until the impasse is resolved. If
neither a President nor Vice President has been chosen by inauguration day, the Presidential
Succession Act applies, under which the Speaker of the House of Representatives, the President
pro tempore of the Senate, or a Cabinet officer, in that order, would act as President until a
President or Vice President qualifies.

The 12th Amendment to the Constitution requires that presidential and vice presidential candidates
gain “a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed” in order to win election. With a total
of 538 electors representing the 50 states and the District of Columbia, 270 electoral votes is the
“magic number,” the arithmetic majority necessary to win the presidency.


That's the only part of the 12th amendment which applies to modern elections. Biden has 306 electoral votes, more than the 270 he needs to win. What happens on Jan. 6th is largely ceremonial and Biden's 306 electoral votes will not change. CBS is 100% accurate because it addresses what happens if someone objects to a state's electoral vote, a different thing than the 12th amendment as I have posted for the third time now.

WRONG.  It is usually ceremonial when the election isn't contested. The election is fraudulent and will be contested. The evidence of fraud is overwhelming. 6 states while certified by the states are still very much contested which bring to the the table all of the electors in those 6 states. CBS is wrong and you are free to post it 3 more times if you wish, you'll still be wrong. The debate among the House and Senate will be to send the electors back to their respective state legislatures or accept them as presented. They may or may not accept the electors as presented. That is to be determined. Congress may also decide to take a state vote which is unlikely. Your sources continue to make you look like a fool

Is the shit going to hit the fan? Martial law on the 2nd of January?

Will Trump go down fighting? Is there potential for a civil war?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 19, 2020, 12:47:23 AM
We were talking about what if the electors were disputed in congress, which looks like could be very possible. You claim the AP fact check was right and that it was a one man one vote situation, not one state one vote. I found what is written in the 12th amendment says otherwise. Does your attempt to deflect from the subject mean you might be wrong? No shame in admitting that you know!

Here's the thing when it comes to dueling electors disputes. mhr7 is right there will be a one man one vote scenario and you are right about one state, one vote scenario. America has had an election in the past just like this one with dueling electors and laws created afterwards to address it better should it ever happen again. We should read multiple returns(dueling electors) and then discuss. Look what I highlighted in bold. There WILL be a one man one vote scenario where they have to decide which set of electors are chosen but both Houses have to agree and if they don't agree, then it goes to a one state, one vote method of choosing the Prez and VP if Biden or Trump doesn't have the required 270 electoral votes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_Count_Act


Multiple returns

Origins

Congress was confronted with the problem of multiple returns in the 1876 United States presidential election: from each of four states, two sets of returns were transmitted to Washington, D.C.

Louisiana and South Carolina initially reported returns favoring the Democrat (Tilden), but results were marked by electoral fraud and threats of violence against Republican voters, including an impossible 101 percent turnout in South Carolina. Republican canvassing boards rejected some Democratic votes and certified the election of Republican governors and presidential electors. In response, Democrats established rival state governments under the leadership of their gubernatorial candidates, who then certified Democratic electors.

In Florida, the Republican returning board certified Hayes and the Republican gubernatorial candidate as winners, but the Florida Supreme Court overruled them, and awarded the governorship to the Democrat who then announced that Tilden had carried Florida.

In Oregon, all sides agreed that Hayes had won the state, but the Democratic governor determined that one elector (John W. Watts) was ineligible and replaced him with a Democrat (C.A. Cronin). In Florida, Louisiana, and South Carolina, both slates of electors assembled and cast conflicting votes, while in Oregon both Watts and Cronin cast ballots.

Approach

In cases where multiple returns have been submitted from a state, Section 4 (3 U.S.C. § 15) seeks "[to direct] Congress away from an open ended search for the proper return, and towards the simpler issues of identifying the state's final determination authority and whether that institution had reached its decision according to the terms and conditions of [3 U.S.C. § 5]."[3]:627 It seeks to "reduce to a minimum the cases where any difference can properly arise."[31]:1020 In one sentence of 275 words, the law appears to envision three different scenarios:

First, if more than one return, or paper purporting to be a return, from a state is received by the president of the Senate, then the only votes to be counted are those that have been "regularly given" by those electors (or their validly-appointed successors) who are shown by the "determination" mentioned in 3 U.S.C. § 5 ("safe harbor") to have been appointed, assuming the determination has been made.[23] That is, if there are multiple returns yet only one is compliant with the safe harbor, then the safe harbor return must be counted as the true return, assuming the votes have been "regularly given" by the electors.

Second, in case the question arises "which of two or more ... State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in [3 U.S.C. § 5], is the lawful tribunal of such State," then votes "regularly given" will only be counted from electors that the two houses, acting separately, concurrently decide is supported by "the decision of such State so authorized by its law."[23] That is, if two or more returns from a state can claim the safe harbor, then neither will be counted unless both houses agree to count one of them as the true return supported by state law. This appears to be Congress' response to the problem of dueling state governments that arose during the election of 1876.

Third, if there has been "no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid," votes will only be counted that the two houses concurrently decide were cast by "lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State," unless the two Houses, acting separately, concurrently decide "such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State."[23] Here, there are multiple returns yet none can claim the safe harbor. Read in isolation, it would mean that one return can be counted as the true return if both houses agree it complies with state law, unless both houses further agree the votes themselves were not "regularly given" by the electors.
However, this critical sentence then follows: "But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then ... the votes of the electors whose appointment has been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted."[23]
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 19, 2020, 01:22:31 AM
There are no dueling sets of electors. Each state has certified ONE set of electors, No state has certified 2 sets of electors.
So this is a non-issue.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 19, 2020, 01:45:42 AM
There are no dueling sets of electors. Each state has certified ONE set of electors, No state has certified 2 sets of electors.
So this is a non-issue.

Seven States sent 2 sets of electors. Per the Electoral Count Act, if a member of the House and Senate object on which set of electors to choose, then it goes to a vote, one man one vote and if both Houses can't agree on the same set of electors for the 7 states who sent 2 sets of electors and nobody obtains 270 electoral votes, then it goes to another vote, one state, one vote to choose the Prez and VP.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 19, 2020, 01:57:41 AM
There are no dueling sets of electors. Each state has certified ONE set of electors, No state has certified 2 sets of electors.
So this is a non-issue.

Seven States sent 2 sets of electors. Per the Electoral Count Act, if a member of the House and Senate object on which set of electors to choose, then it goes to a vote, one man one vote and if both Houses can't agree on the same set of electors for the 7 states who sent 2 sets of electors and nobody obtains 270 electoral votes, then it goes to another vote, one state, one vote to choose the Prez and VP.

Well us Trump supporters hope you're right Billy.

But I'm not so sure.  :hidechair:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 19, 2020, 03:07:19 AM
There are no dueling sets of electors. Each state has certified ONE set of electors, No state has certified 2 sets of electors.
So this is a non-issue.

Seven States sent 2 sets of electors. Per the Electoral Count Act, if a member of the House and Senate object on which set of electors to choose, then it goes to a vote, one man one vote and if both Houses can't agree on the same set of electors for the 7 states who sent 2 sets of electors and nobody obtains 270 electoral votes, then it goes to another vote, one state, one vote to choose the Prez and VP.
You're dead wrong. Each state has only certified one set of electors. The governor of each state only certifies one set of electors.

And Trump’s chosen electors did indeed meet in states including Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Nevada, and Michigan to cast their votes for Trump — though some involved tried to downplay the significance of this move, calling it merely a legal formality.

In fact, it’s a legally frivolous and baseless action. The legitimate and legally recognized electors in states Biden won have had their appointments certified by each state governor, in accordance with the vote totals in each state. The president’s “alternate” electors were acting with no legal authority whatsoever, apparently because Trump doesn’t want to acknowledge the election is over and that he’s lost.


https://www.vox.com/22173990/electoral-college-trump-biden-stephen-miller

The Electoral Count Act of 1887 requires Congress to consider any “papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes.” If one slate has been certified, Congress will accept that slate. If there are multiple slates, none of which has been properly certified, Congress must choose. Congress will also intervene if at least one House member and one Senator object to a state’s electors. In choosing a slate, both Houses must agree. If there’s no agreement, the Act says that Congress must select the slate (if any) that has been approved by the “state executive,” who is the governor in most states. If there’s still no resolution, none of the electors would be counted. In 2020, the slates in all of the contested states were approved by the governor.[/b]

https://www.cato.org/blog/presidential-elections-primer
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 19, 2020, 03:10:47 AM
There are no dueling sets of electors. Each state has certified ONE set of electors, No state has certified 2 sets of electors.
So this is a non-issue.

Seven States sent 2 sets of electors. Per the Electoral Count Act, if a member of the House and Senate object on which set of electors to choose, then it goes to a vote, one man one vote and if both Houses can't agree on the same set of electors for the 7 states who sent 2 sets of electors and nobody obtains 270 electoral votes, then it goes to another vote, one state, one vote to choose the Prez and VP.

Well us Trump supporters hope you're right Billy.

But I'm not so sure.  :hidechair:


I do not agree at all.

If Chi-merica allows fair election and transparent ballot counting, they would not have murdered Georgia governor's daughter's boyfriend and this case's policeman.

Hot confrontation is inevitable.  I guess a limited gun battle is inevitable.  It is similar to the Frankfurt's conflict.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 19, 2020, 09:01:58 AM
If there are multiple slates, none of which has been properly certified, Congress must choose. Congress will also intervene if at least one House member and one Senator object to a state’s electors.

https://www.cato.org/blog/presidential-elections-primer


You see those two words 'properly certified'? That's where there will be objections because you can't certify a fraudulent election so there will be a dispute that the electors are properly certified since an investigation on fraud didn't take place. Contrary to popular belief, a State just can't rush electors to be certified and call them 'legal' while ignoring fraud that is clearly present in their election. As long as a House and Senate member object to the certification of electors, then there WILL be a debate and a vote. Most likely the House controlled by Democrats will vote that the Democrat electors be counted and most likely the Senate controlled by the Republicans will vote for the Republican electors to be counted. If both Houses can't agree on which electors to send forward, then it goes to a one state one vote method of choosing the Prez and VP. You better hope your Democrats use some of their Chinese money to bribe Republicans before Jan 6th.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 19, 2020, 09:50:28 AM
Brian Kemp calls out conspiracy theories about death of daughter's boyfriend

by Mike Brest, Breaking News Reporter, 18th December, 2020

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/brian-kemp-georgia-daughter-boyfriend
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 19, 2020, 11:06:39 AM

https://sarah-chamberlain-42954.medium.com/open-letter-from-an-american-coward-c60530a7a8e9
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 19, 2020, 11:11:13 AM
Dementia Joe bumbling....

https://rumble.com/vc03l1-watch-greg-kelly-breaks-down-joe-bidens-bumbling-scatterbrained-colbert-int.html?mref=23gga&mc=8uxj1
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 19, 2020, 03:25:51 PM
If there are multiple slates, none of which has been properly certified, Congress must choose. Congress will also intervene if at least one House member and one Senator object to a state’s electors.

https://www.cato.org/blog/presidential-elections-primer


You see those two words 'properly certified'? That's where there will be objections because you can't certify a fraudulent election so there will be a dispute that the electors are properly certified since an investigation on fraud didn't take place. Contrary to popular belief, a State just can't rush electors to be certified and call them 'legal' while ignoring fraud that is clearly present in their election. As long as a House and Senate member object to the certification of electors, then there WILL be a debate and a vote. Most likely the House controlled by Democrats will vote that the Democrat electors be counted and most likely the Senate controlled by the Republicans will vote for the Republican electors to be counted. If both Houses can't agree on which electors to send forward, then it goes to a one state one vote method of choosing the Prez and VP. You better hope your Democrats use some of their Chinese money to bribe Republicans before Jan 6th.
Does the legal system no longer matter? No court of law has found any fraud and that matters. Complain all you want, there was no fraud, just empty talk by sore losers and nothing else.
The Senate won't support any objections, several Republican members have already said as much. On Jan. 6th, Biden will get his 306.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 19, 2020, 03:48:22 PM
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-18-situation-update-dec-18th-cyber-red-dawn.html

Here are the highlights from today’s Situation Update:

Trump’s intelligence and military team members have put everything in place for an Insurrection Act scenario, but Trump still has to be the one to pull the trigger. Will he?

The Republican party is finished. McConnell just committed career suicide and discredited the entire party by siding with Biden as the “winner” of the obviously fraudulent election.

A new political party will arise from all this, and Americans will reject both the hopelessly corrupt DNC and the pathetic, spineless GOP.

We’ve all been thinking too small. Signs are now pointing toward war with China, not merely a domestic war with the deep state. America may be in an active international war before Jan. 20th.

Cyber hacks that appear to be from China (although the fake news media keeps reporting Russia) have penetrated and compromised the US government agencies that control all nuclear missiles and nuclear material stockpiles. This was a devastating cyber attack, with huge implications for national security.

I am designating this event a “Cyber Red Dawn.”

Gen. Flynn appears to call for Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act. Confirms “foreign interference” in the US elections.

Lin Wood accuses SCOTUS Justice Roberts of being a treasonous, corrupt, (possible) pedophile who has betrayed America.

SCOTUS now designated as “complicit” in conspiracy to overthrow the United States of America.

Reminder of the Pentagon order to shut down its internal “secure” communications systems, across the board, due to devastating cyber intrusion.

The Department of Energy and National Nuclear Security Administration were both hacked and compromised, revealing national security secrets and details about America’s nuclear missiles, nuclear fuel, conventional power grid assets and more. A huge breach. Cyber warfare.

US Army reveals, “We expect adversary actions directed against the homeland.”

SCOTUS is slow-walking the Sidney Powell lawsuit in yet another betrayal of America. The courts will NOT be the solution. Only the military.

Dr. Jerome Corsi says Trump will win.

There is a tug of war within the National Intelligence Agency. Miles Guo (gnews) says, “the war between the CCP and the United States has already started and the battlefield is in the United States.”

Vaccine news: A SECOND Alaska healthcare worker has an allergic reaction to Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine just one day after another staff member at the same hospital went into anaphylactic shock.

A nurse in the USA passes out and nearly face plants on camera, just minutes after taking the coronavirus vaccine on live TV. Public relations nightmare for the vaccine industry. Doctors rushed to block the camera on the scene…


###
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 19, 2020, 09:56:56 PM
Victory for Trump!

https://nypost.com/2020/12/18/scotus-rejects-challenge-of-trump-bid-to-exclude-non-citizens-from-2020-census/?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_6076385
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 20, 2020, 04:08:54 AM
Miss Mellisa Carone, insider of Diminion Voting Machine, Whistleblower, Live Speech
Michigan State, 18th December, 2020.

Original English Conversation, with Chinese Translation
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 20, 2020, 04:15:47 AM
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-18-situation-update-dec-18th-cyber-red-dawn.html

Here are the highlights from today’s Situation Update:

Trump’s intelligence and military team members have put everything in place for an Insurrection Act scenario, but Trump still has to be the one to pull the trigger. Will he?

We’ve all been thinking too small. Signs are now pointing toward war with China, not merely a domestic war with the deep state. America may be in an active international war before Jan. 20th.

Chi-merica Friends,
I am glad you finally understand how evil China Commies are.

We are on the same boat now.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on December 20, 2020, 05:37:17 AM
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-18-situation-update-dec-18th-cyber-red-dawn.html

Here are the highlights from today’s Situation Update:

Trump’s intelligence and military team members have put everything in place for an Insurrection Act scenario, but Trump still has to be the one to pull the trigger. Will he?

We’ve all been thinking too small. Signs are now pointing toward war with China, not merely a domestic war with the deep state. America may be in an active international war before Jan. 20th.

Chi-merica Friends,
I am glad you finally understand how evil China Commies are.

We are on the same boat now.

Can I disembark?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 20, 2020, 09:32:17 AM
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-18-situation-update-dec-18th-cyber-red-dawn.html

Here are the highlights from today’s Situation Update:

Trump’s intelligence and military team members have put everything in place for an Insurrection Act scenario, but Trump still has to be the one to pull the trigger. Will he?

We’ve all been thinking too small. Signs are now pointing toward war with China, not merely a domestic war with the deep state. America may be in an active international war before Jan. 20th.

Chi-merica Friends,
I am glad you finally understand how evil China Commies are.

We are on the same boat now.

Can I disembark?

European Friends (present tense):
Yes, if this is your choice.

But don`t expect these will happen once more!

https://www.holland.com/global/tourism/holland-stories/liberation-route/how-britain-helped-liberate-holland.htm

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/U0myBNF9t_k/maxresdefault.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/05/ef/f4/05eff4b671d0e962c498a55fa76e535f.jpg)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 20, 2020, 10:10:20 AM
My personal anticipation is:
President Trump will launch Military Operation after the 1st and before the 6th Day of 2021 so as to minimize its disturbance to civil economics.

These Chi-merica topmost persons will be in Guantánamo Prison for their whole lives:

etc


Cheers!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 20, 2020, 12:43:26 PM
Speaking of Facebook:

Dinesh D'Souza was convicted of a felony for election finance fraud.

Will Zuckerberg be convicted of a felony also?

https://welovetrump.com/2020/12/01/john-solomon-reports-mark-zuckerberg-sent-at-least-350-million-to-election-judges/

Quote

"The 2020 election was stolen because leftists were able to exploit the coronavirus pandemic to weaken, alter, and eliminate laws that were put in place over the course of decades to preserve the integrity of the ballot box. But just as importantly, it was stolen because those same leftists had a thoroughly-crafted plan, and because they were rigorous in its implementation and ruthless in its execution."

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 20, 2020, 02:17:34 PM
Additional quote

"Under the pretext of assisting election officials conduct “safe and secure” elections in the age of COVID, Zuckerberg donated $400 million — as much money as Congress appropriated for the same general purpose — to nonprofit organizations founded and run by left-wing activists. The primary recipient was the Center for Tech and Civic Life (CTCL), which received the staggering sum of $350 million. Prior to Zuckerberg’s donations, CTCL’s annual operating expenses averaged less than $1 million per year. How was Zuckerberg even aware of such a small-potatoes operation, and why did he entrust it with ⅞ of the money he was pouring into this election cycle, despite the fact that it had no prior experience handling such a massive amount of money?

Predictably, given the partisan background of its leading officers, CTCL proceeded to distribute Zuckerberg’s funds to left-leaning counties in battleground states. The vast majority of the money handed out by CTCL — especially in the early days of its largesse — went to counties that voted overwhelmingly for Hillary Clinton in 2016. Some of the biggest recipients, in fact, were the very locales Plouffe had identified as the linchpins of the Democrat strategy in 2020.

Zuckerberg and CTCL left nothing to chance, however, writing detailed conditions into their grants that dictated exactly how elections were to be conducted, down to the number of ballot drop boxes and polling places. The Constitution gives state lawmakers sole authority for managing elections, but these grants put private interests firmly in control."
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 20, 2020, 03:22:50 PM
My personal anticipation is:
President Trump will launch Military Operation after the 1st and before the 6th Day of 2021 so as to minimize its disturbance to civil economics.

These Chi-merica topmost persons will be in Guantánamo Prison for their whole lives:

  • Hussein Obama - ex-President of USA, Black Marxist; Voter Fraud Chief Organiser, illegal Deep State President, Leader of organised crimes;
  • Hilarious Clinton - ex-Secretary of USA; Iran's undercover in USA Government
  • Joke Biden - ex-Vice President of USA, dis-qualified president candidate, China Commie's undercover in USA Government, illegal Deep State Spokesman
  • Lolita Roberts -  Chief Justice of Federal Supreme Court of USA, criminal offender of under-aged Sex.
  • CEO of Fackbook - violating USA People's Freedom of Speech; bribing USA government officers;
  • CEOs of Twister, Google - violating USA People's Freedom of Speech;
  • Gina Haspel - CIA Head, Tainted Witness of Voter Fraud, having assisted in killing 5 USA soldiers.
  • ...
etc


Cheers!

Man, you really have finger on the pulse of absolutely nothing. You really know nothing about America. Stop with the Chi-merica bullshit, it's very offensive and just outright ignorant.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 20, 2020, 03:26:33 PM
My personal anticipation is:
President Trump will launch Military Operation after the 1st and before the 6th Day of 2021 so as to minimize its disturbance to civil economics.

These Chi-merica topmost persons will be in Guantánamo Prison for their whole lives:

  • Hussein Obama - ex-President of USA, Black Marxist; Voter Fraud Chief Organiser, illegal Deep State President, Leader of organised crimes;
  • Hilarious Clinton - ex-Secretary of USA; Iran's undercover in USA Government
  • Joke Biden - ex-Vice President of USA, dis-qualified president candidate, China Commie's undercover in USA Government, illegal Deep State Spokesman
  • Lolita Roberts -  Chief Justice of Federal Supreme Court of USA, criminal offender of under-aged Sex.
  • CEO of Fackbook - violating USA People's Freedom of Speech; bribing USA government officers;
  • CEOs of Twister, Google - violating USA People's Freedom of Speech;
  • Gina Haspel - CIA Head, Tainted Witness of Voter Fraud, having assisted in killing 5 USA soldiers.
  • ...
etc


Cheers!

Man, you really have finger on the pulse of absolutely nothing. You really know nothing about America. Stop with the Chi-merica bullshit, it's very offensive and just outright ignorant.

Not really.

If his posts get your panties in a bunch and you don't like his blunt and funny assessments you're welcome to go back and stay over there with your totalitarian "friend" who despises freedom of speech.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 20, 2020, 03:32:25 PM
Yeah, you would defend his stupidity, no surprise there.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 20, 2020, 03:42:34 PM
Trump gets angry at Michael Bolton for for critisizing Trump' martial law, military overwatch of a second election plan. A plan the Trumpidiots have no problem supporting. A Trump dictatorship being a utopia for them.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 20, 2020, 04:10:45 PM
*John Bolton   :'(
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 20, 2020, 04:18:57 PM
Yeah, you would defend his stupidity, no surprise there.

Trump gets angry at Michael Bolton for for critisizing Trump' martial law, military overwatch of a second election plan. A plan the Trumpidiots have no problem supporting. A Trump dictatorship being a utopia for them.

*John Bolton   :'(

Sure einstein.  :ROFL:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on December 20, 2020, 04:55:48 PM
*John Bolton   :'(
While some say J. Bolton is a hawk with extreme views of American exceptionalism, I find him an outright scary person. While some statements might be made before a select audience, he has repeatedly shown a lack of pragmatic intellect in dealings with foreign nations and leaders.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 20, 2020, 05:29:22 PM
Interesting sitrep..

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-20-situation-update-dec-20th-the-misdirection-ploy.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 20, 2020, 08:19:06 PM
No court of law has found any fraud and that matters.


No court has held a hearing to hear the evidence. Their strategy is to let the states deal with their disputes and the final dispute will happen Jan 6. SCOTUS has given swing states till Jan 14th to respond to Sydney Powell's Kraken lawsuit. Texas and 20 other states can refile if they don't like the Jan 6th results because this time they will be affected by the outcome if it's in favor of Biden due to swing states cheating and illegally changing election laws right before the election. The courts can still be a factor in the election.

There's plenty of evidence besides the 305th military evidence. There's the truck driver who confessed to driving hundreds of thousands of pre filled ballots across state lines. The voting machines have shown to be designed for fraud. Too much more to list. The Democrats resistance to being transparent tells us all we need to know about what they did. If nothing was done wrong, there wouldn't be anything to hide.


Lately a lot of players are hanging out at the same place. The media keeps saying Sydney Powell was fired but she's still a major player on Trump's team although her lawsuit is different than Guiliani's.

https://twitter.com/LetsRoll404/status/1340359829513187328


CEO of Overstock was at the White House meeting and says the media is lying about the talk of Marshal Law.

https://twitter.com/PatrickByrne/status/1340747321294909444


This man has had enough of the Lockdown measures

https://twitter.com/prayingmedic/status/1340325674360295424


Trump closing last two consulates in Russia

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-says-it-is-shuttering-last-2-consulates-in-russia/ar-BB1c3jFq?ocid=msedgntp


VP Pence doesn't have to accept fraudulent electoral votes.

https://nationalfile.com/law-prohibits-pence-from-accepting-electoral-votes-from-fraudulently-certified-states-constitutional-lawyer/


Lin Wood and Sydney Powell are begging Smartmatic to sue them so they can get a court to see their evidence.

https://www.ntd.com/lawyer-for-sidney-powell-to-smartmatic-file-your-lawsuit_543168.html


Lin Wood's official response letter to Smartmatic's threat to sue. Simple but hilarious!

https://twitter.com/LLinWood/status/1340729543267667970/photo/1


Trump tells people to be in D.C Jan 6 for anti fraud march. I might go. He's asking a lot from people. I might go. If the people can't stop the fraud, he better do it. I don't think Trump will do anything that will require military or police before Jan 6th. He has a chance in winning when the Legislature gets together to count the electoral votes.

https://thebl.com/politics/president-trump-calls-for-massive-anti-fraud-march-on-jan-6.html


Dec 23th the VP can send a letter to swing states to send a non fraudulent slate of electors. They can disagree with the VP and sue him saying his analysis of their elections are incorrect but SCOTUS doesn't seem interested in taking up an election case or redo their elections or send the proper slate of electors based on the evidence of fraud that that happened in their elections. If the States insist on sending wrong electors, VP Pence doesn't have to open them up the envelope and do a Nancy Pelosi by ripping it up in front of everybody. Constitutional lawyer and former Green Beret explains it well and says Dec 23rd could be a very big day with liberals melting down if VP Pence takes the steps he outlined.

https://twitter.com/Raiklin/status/1340670966867832836


Wonderful video. People all over the world fighting for Trump. People all over the world should be nervous. If corrupt politicians can rig elections easily with people on the inside and outside influences like China, they will lose their freedom. You don't see anybody anywhere in the world celebrating Biden like what you see for Trump.

https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1340208320951562240


Another inspirational video.

https://rumble.com/vc1g1r-discorso-motivazionale-di-donald-trump.html


Where's CIA director Gina Haspel? Will somebody let me know when Kamala Harris resigns from her Senate seat? Until then, I don't think Joe and Kamala have a lot of confidence they got a another job waiting for them.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 20, 2020, 08:47:38 PM
No court of law has found any fraud and that matters.


No court has held a hearing to hear the evidence. Their strategy is to let the states deal with their disputes and the final dispute will happen Jan 6. SCOTUS has given swing states till Jan 14th to respond to Sydney Powell's Kraken lawsuit. Texas and 20 other states can refile if they don't like the Jan 6th results because this time they will be affected by the outcome if it's in favor of Biden due to swing states cheating and illegally changing election laws right before the election. The courts can still be a factor in the election.

There's plenty of evidence besides the 305th military evidence. There's the truck driver who confessed to driving hundreds of thousands of pre filled ballots across state lines. The voting machines have shown to be designed for fraud. Too much more to list. The Democrats resistance to being transparent tells us all we need to know about what they did. If nothing was done wrong, there wouldn't be anything to hide.

The courts have looked at evidence 60 times and handed losses to Trump and his allies 59 times. Get it? On Jan. 6th, Biden will get his 306 votes and after that, it will be over. Texas and other states will not be able to do anything. Swing states have already rejected Powell's lawsuit and she is on the verge of being sued by Dominion. FOX News has already had to retract their statements about Smartmatic in order not to be sued.The 305th military evidence is a fantasy as is the testimony of the truck driver. It all boils down to this; Trump lost and a Democrat won so the election was rigged, no evidence, no proof and nothing will stop Biden from becoming president on Jan. 20th.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 20, 2020, 10:42:30 PM
If you believe all that mhr7, you will be in for a big shock soon.

It seems there are some people here that think there are Scytl servers in Frankfurt in possession by our CIA that helped rigged our election was left unguarded so they were easily seized without a gun battle or they believe those servers don't exist. They have been educated by MSM. They can't explain where CIA director Gina Haspel is and they can't explain why Frankfurt shattered their previous record for internet traffic by over 20% during election night in America.

https://www.de-cix.net/en/about-de-cix/news/de-cix-frankfurt-hits-10-tbps-peak-traffic


The media portrays Trump and his supporters as racists and Nazis. Good video how Republicans treat Democrats and Democrats treat Republicans. Can you guess how the party of peace and love did?

https://twitter.com/yzzirfgal/status/1338208137053081601

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 20, 2020, 10:58:27 PM
If you believe all that mhr7, you will be in for a big shock soon.

It seems there are some people here that think there are Scytl servers in Frankfurt in possession by our CIA that helped rigged our election was left unguarded so they were easily seized without a gun battle or they believe those servers don't exist. They have been educated by MSM. They can't explain where CIA director Gina Haspel is and they can't explain why Frankfurt shattered their previous record for internet traffic by over 20% during election night in America.

https://www.de-cix.net/en/about-de-cix/news/de-cix-frankfurt-hits-10-tbps-peak-traffic


The media portrays Trump and his supporters as racists and Nazis. Good video how Republicans treat Democrats and Democrats treat Republicans. Can you guess how the party of peace and love did?

https://twitter.com/yzzirfgal/status/1338208137053081601

Billy, you have no evidence Gina Haspel is missing and I've been waiting for a "big surprise" for quite some time.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 21, 2020, 12:54:33 AM
Billy, you have no evidence Gina Haspel is missing and I've been waiting for a "big surprise" for quite some time.


Your fact checking sites can't locate her. Write them and complain you're in a debate with BillyB and you need facts to win the debate.

After the server raid with her reportedly there and arrested, she was last reported to have an unscheduled secret meeting with Senate Majority leader Mitch McConnell Nov 10. Everybody thought she was going to get fired but Trump didn't fire her.

Nov 13 the media reported she was not invited to Trump's intelligence meeting with the other intel chiefs.

Then Trump removed the CIA's special ops powers which take away their guns. Now they are paper pushing spies that use the military special ops soldiers for their missions.

Then Trump has the Pentagon write a letter to the CIA saying they will not support CIA missions anymore with their special ops soldiers.

Recently, the Pentagon stopped giving Biden intel briefings.

You waiting for the big surprise? Trump doesn't need to use guns yet. There is a court and Constitutional process that's available to him. Dec 23 VP Pence can force swing states to investigate their fraud or their electors don't get counted.

Trump has not yet conceded. The media would love to non stop call Trump a big crybaby and sore loser but they know they shouldn't piss him off because they know fraud happened and a lot of their friends are going to go down.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 21, 2020, 01:42:06 AM
Dec 23 VP Pence can force swing states to investigate their fraud or their electors don't get counted.

 :ROFL: That's a good one. Your sources are amazing.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 21, 2020, 02:21:43 AM
Dec 23 VP Pence can force swing states to investigate their fraud or their electors don't get counted.

 :ROFL: That's a good one. Your sources are amazing.

Let me remind you that fraud has not been proven by ANYONE at ANY TIME. It does NOT exist.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 21, 2020, 03:45:24 AM
Dec 23 VP Pence can force swing states to investigate their fraud or their electors don't get counted.

 :ROFL: That's a good one. Your sources are amazing.

Let me remind you that fraud has not been proven by ANYONE at ANY TIME. It does NOT exist.

You will be in Jail very soon if you also committed Voter Fraud and joined to overthrow President Trump elected by Americans on 3rd November 2020.  It is a Treason, not a Computer Software Game.  If it is your first time to encounter British Style Common Law & Order, I have to say "Sorry" to you.

It is altogether effortless shouting on forums.  USA Troops will be outside your home very soon.


In a computer era, digital information is also Physical Evidence after it has been audited by computer engineers and scientists.

Check your email server's DKIM (DomainKeys Identified Mail) if you think you are not tracked at all.  DKIM is unique and cannot be duplicated.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 21, 2020, 08:08:56 AM
Let me remind you that fraud has not been proven by ANYONE at ANY TIME. It does NOT exist.


Your media sources are providing you with a poor education. What do you think about the Democrats in charge of the Intelligence committee not kicking off from the committee the Democrat who was sleeping with a Chinese spy? How stupid can Adam Schiff and the Democrats be? China loves the Democrats.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 21, 2020, 11:10:03 AM
Secret Empires:
How the American Political Class Hides Corruption and Enriches Family and Friends

by Peter Schweizer
Publisher: HarperCollins
Publication date: 03/26/2019

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/secret-empires-peter-schweizer/1127903355

(https://prodimage.images-bn.com/pimages/9780062569370_p0_v1_s550x406.jpg)

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 21, 2020, 11:19:50 AM
Billy, have a Look.

McConnell is China Commie's "Strategy Undercover" in USA government.

China Commie (or USSR) has a tradition.  They do train some so called "Strategy Undercover".  They are different from "Tactic Spy" who mainly steals physical or informative assets.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 21, 2020, 12:04:42 PM
Dec 23 VP Pence can force swing states to investigate their fraud or their electors don't get counted.

 :ROFL: That's a good one. Your sources are amazing.

Let me remind you that fraud has not been proven by ANYONE at ANY TIME. It does NOT exist.

I am surprised Moby Hoe'in Russia 7x24 is showing a Russia flag when he is the best CCP agitation propaganda disinformation agent on RUA.  Go ahead and show the CCP Red Commies flag - you know you want to!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 21, 2020, 12:07:42 PM
Boom...
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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 21, 2020, 12:37:44 PM
There's a lot of misinformation out there and a lack of information to keep people ignorant. Even the European media has got their people thinking Biden will be President. I found sources that have close ties to intel that talks about the current military readiness should Trump pull the trigger, that is currently not the option Trump is using. Forget about what everybody is saying and focus on what Constitutional attorneys are saying pertaining to the laws and process. After VP Pence sends a letter to States with dueling electors asking them to send a non fraudulent slate of electors, the burden of proof is on the States to show their State was fraud free. They have two weeks till Jan 6th to do so. They must prove all the allegations of fraud in their elections doesn't exist. They have to do a forensic audit on the machines to show they work fine and were not influenced by election officials or foreign powers.

There's so much fraud that I'm not going to explain it all again. We'll do simple math and the States in question will have to explain it or their electors for Biden won't count.

Now that all the States submitted their numbers, lets do math which can be verified by the sites below. There are 212 million total registered voters in America. 66.2% of those registered voters participated in voting. The 66.2% equals to 140 million voters. States record Trump getting 74 million votes. He probably got more since election officials stole his votes and gave it to Biden but for arguments sake, we'll say he got 74 million votes. Since only 140 million people voted, that leaves 66 million votes for Biden to claim assuming independents got zero votes. So there's 14 million mysterious votes out there that aren't connected to a registered voter that States have to prove that aren't fraudulent or their electors won't count. I heard one guy was so mad at his parents for voting for Biden that he dug up their graves and beat them death.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-huge-simple-math-shows-biden-claims-13-million-votes-eligible-voters-voted-2020-election/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/number-of-registered-voters-by-state

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1184621/presidential-election-voter-turnout-rate-state/

Trump gave an interview saying they found the answers to winning. People "who gets it" are congratulating each other on the internet. I suspect the Jan 6th rally in D.C Trump is asking for and saying it's going to be wild is not to put pressure on Legislature to choose his electors but a rally to celebrate. Party time!

https://gab.com/M2Madness/posts/105418657018767219
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 21, 2020, 12:38:07 PM
Dec 23 VP Pence can force swing states to investigate their fraud or their electors don't get counted.

 :ROFL: That's a good one. Your sources are amazing.

Let me remind you that fraud has not been proven by ANYONE at ANY TIME. It does NOT exist.

I am surprised Moby Hoe'in Russia 7x24 is showing a Russia flag when he is the best CCP agitation propaganda disinformation agent on RUA.  Go ahead and show the CCP Red Commies flag - you know you want to!

The truth is something so unnatutal to you, you've no idea how to handle it. Keep being one of Trump's groupies, maybe he'll take you back to the hotel when his show is over.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 21, 2020, 12:47:48 PM
MHR7 what a worthless punk you are.  :smokin:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 21, 2020, 12:50:21 PM
There's a lot of misinformation out there and a lack of information to keep people ignorant. Even the European media has got their people thinking Biden will be President. I found sources that have close ties to intel that talks about the current military readiness should Trump pull the trigger, that is currently not the option Trump is using. Forget about what everybody is saying and focus on what Constitutional attorneys are saying pertaining to the laws and process. After VP Pence sends a letter to States with dueling electors asking them to send a non fraudulent slate of electors, the burden of proof is on the States to show their State was fraud free. They have two weeks till Jan 6th to do so. They must prove all the allegations of fraud in their elections doesn't exist. They have to do a forensic audit on the machines to show they work fine and were not influenced by election officials or foreign powers.

There's so much fraud that I'm not going to explain it all again. We'll do simple math and the States in question will have to explain it or their electors for Biden won't count.

Now that all the States submitted their numbers, lets do math which can be verified by the sites below. There are 212 million total registered voters in America. 66.2% of those registered voters participated in voting. The 66.2% equals to 140 million voters. States record Trump getting 74 million votes. He probably got more since election officials stole his votes and gave it to Biden but for arguments sake, we'll say he got 74 million votes. Since only 140 million people voted, that leaves 66 million votes for Biden to claim assuming independents got zero votes. So there's 14 million mysterious votes out there that aren't connected to a registered voter that States have to prove that aren't fraudulent or their electors won't count. I heard one guy was so mad at his parents for voting for Biden that he dug up their graves and beat them death.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/breaking-huge-simple-math-shows-biden-claims-13-million-votes-eligible-voters-voted-2020-election/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/number-of-registered-voters-by-state

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1184621/presidential-election-voter-turnout-rate-state/

Trump gave an interview saying they found the answers to winning. People "who gets it" are congratulating each other on the internet. I suspect the Jan 6th rally in D.C Trump is asking for and saying it's going to be wild is not to put pressure on Legislature to choose his electors but a rally to celebrate. Party time!

https://gab.com/M2Madness/posts/105418657018767219

If Pence says the swing state's electors are fraudulent, burden of proof is on him. But he isn't going to do anything,it's not his place nor his right. Biden will be president, there's nothing Trump can do about it. NO FRAUD HAS BEEN PROVEN.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 21, 2020, 01:24:39 PM
To counter the enormous CCP Agitation Propaganda on RUA:

Pro America replacement for Drudge Sludge report..

https://populist.press
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 21, 2020, 01:25:43 PM
Just for you mhr7

https://twitter.com/Wordofbeak/status/1340661548914765824
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 21, 2020, 02:03:21 PM
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-21-situation-update-dec-21st-the-pence-raiklin-maneuver.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 21, 2020, 02:04:53 PM
Just for you mhr7

https://twitter.com/Wordofbeak/status/1340661548914765824

I'm the only one here who is fighting for the rights of the majority who voted. How is that related to communism? BTW, 159,633,396 people voted.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 21, 2020, 02:09:22 PM
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-21-situation-update-dec-21st-the-pence-raiklin-maneuver.html

Thank you cuffy for your daily dose of clickbait.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 21, 2020, 02:24:24 PM
Newsmax, Fox Business and Fox News have begun airing corrections and clarifications to baseless allegations of election fraud involving Smartmatic and Dominion following legal threats by the two voting machine companies.

https://www.axios.com/newsmax-correction-fox-news-dominion-smartmatic-0886023b-a9fc-42c5-b68f-d8492ad04e5e.html?fbclid=IwAR2otijh3-vbd-XQnjpnADkpyyXCBMktZ-Fpcf54uOGYa8sG1dspuwn8bsg
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 21, 2020, 02:27:14 PM
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-21-situation-update-dec-21st-the-pence-raiklin-maneuver.html

American Friends,
It is a decisive move:
Trump must use the National Emergency Broadcast System to communicate with the American people and bypass the media / Big Tech siege that continues.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 21, 2020, 02:35:37 PM
To counter the enormous CCP Agitation Propaganda on RUA:

Pro America replacement for Drudge Sludge report..

https://populist.press

How do I post article there?  It seems that it is not a public forum.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 21, 2020, 02:36:39 PM
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-21-situation-update-dec-21st-the-pence-raiklin-maneuver.html

Thank you cuffy for your daily dose of clickbait.

The only poster on RUA with a more rancid mangina that you was the infamous Mobster - you are either Moby2 on a VPN or channeling his inner Commie Lefty Loonie.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 21, 2020, 02:39:33 PM
To counter the enormous CCP Agitation Propaganda on RUA:

Pro America replacement for Drudge Sludge report..

https://populist.press

How do I post article there?  It seems that it is not a public forum.

It is a new News Aggregator featured on Steve Bannon's Warroom iirc scroll all the way down to the right to submit links/ideas... They moderate the links for veracity.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on December 21, 2020, 04:35:31 PM

Let me remind you that fraud has not been proven by ANYONE at ANY TIME. It does NOT exist.

 
The truth is something so unnatutal to you, you've no idea how to handle it. Keep being one of Trump's groupies, maybe he'll take you back to the hotel when his show is over.

There you go using the "Truth" word again. You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the ass.

The election fraud has been proven. It is widespread, well coordinated and massive. It was with fraudulent ballots, with Dominion machines and software along with polling stations in democratic cities with democrats breaking the law and hiding the election counting process. It has been proven, you guys cheated and it's not just cheating, it's TREASON. If you would remove your head from from your butt long enough to turn off Rachel Maddow, you would know this. It is proven, it is yet to be adjudicated. But rest assured, it will be adjudicated.

I look forward to the perpetrators and all who aided them being lined up in front of a firing squad

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 21, 2020, 06:17:42 PM

Let me remind you that fraud has not been proven by ANYONE at ANY TIME. It does NOT exist.

 
The truth is something so unnatutal to you, you've no idea how to handle it. Keep being one of Trump's groupies, maybe he'll take you back to the hotel when his show is over.

There you go using the "Truth" word again. You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the ass.

The election fraud has been proven. It is widespread, well coordinated and massive. It was with fraudulent ballots, with Dominion machines and software along with polling stations in democratic cities with democrats breaking the law and hiding the election counting process. It has been proven, you guys cheated and it's not just cheating, it's TREASON. If you would remove your head from from your butt long enough to turn off Rachel Maddow, you would know this. It is proven, it is yet to be adjudicated. But rest assured, it will be adjudicated.

I look forward to the perpetrators and all who aided them being lined up in front of a firing squad

No, Faux Pas, it hasn't been proven. If there was so much proof it would have seen the light of day by now. There were many failsafes along the way. Bi-partisan watchers, paper trails, hand re-counts, Dominion machines were forensically audited, bi-partisan election officials, Republican secretaries of state, Republican governors. How convenient that voting machines were only fixed in Democratic cities in swing states, even though all of those cities didn't use Dominion,  Philadelphia, for example. Trump and his allies 1-59 in court. There is no proof, it would have turned up by now, it's been 7 weeks.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 21, 2020, 06:56:09 PM
Trump and Biden got a combined 154 million votes when only 140 million registered voters voted per the combined total reported by States. There are more votes than voters. It's not that hard to figure out what is going on mhr7. I think you're in massive denial. Don't be surprised if Trump is inaugurated Jan 20. A lot of ignorant people educated by the MSM will be in the streets rioting but at least you've been educated by us to know better.


Newsmax, Fox Business and Fox News have begun airing corrections and clarifications to baseless allegations of election fraud involving Smartmatic and Dominion following legal threats by the two voting machine companies.

https://www.axios.com/newsmax-correction-fox-news-dominion-smartmatic-0886023b-a9fc-42c5-b68f-d8492ad04e5e.html?fbclid=IwAR2otijh3-vbd-XQnjpnADkpyyXCBMktZ-Fpcf54uOGYa8sG1dspuwn8bsg

Dominion and Smartmatic won't sue Sydney Powell who has actual evidence in her possession. They'll be going out of business soon.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on December 21, 2020, 07:09:52 PM
No, Faux Pas, it hasn't been proven. If there was so much proof it would have seen the light of day by now. There were many failsafes along the way. Bi-partisan watchers, paper trails, hand re-counts, Dominion machines were forensically audited, bi-partisan election officials, Republican secretaries of state, Republican governors. How convenient that voting machines were only fixed in Democratic cities in swing states, even though all of those cities didn't use Dominion,  Philadelphia, for example. Trump and his allies 1-59 in court. There is no proof, it would have turned up by now, it's been 7 weeks.

The proof is massive and overwhelming. Your news sources are lying to you. The fraud was well planned and strategic. The evidence in clear as day, right under your nose and you refuse to even acknowledge it. It's not being reported in the fake MSM. Neither was quid pro Joe's millions from Ukraine and billions from China. Nor was Hunters sham companies selling Beijing Joe's access. There is a whole lot they are not telling you. Don't you ever question why? If you have one patriot bone left in your worthless carcass, look at what they are not telling you
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 21, 2020, 07:18:37 PM
Hunters sham companies selling Beijing Joe's access.


Speaking of Hunter, his phone call recordings are getting released. Here is one where Hunter complains his Chinese partner worth 323 billion dollars and richest man in the world is now missing. I think the Chinese played Hunter never intending to do business with Hunter and then disappeared after they got enough dirt on the Biden family. Everything the Democrats accuse Trump of doing, Joe Biden did, quid pro quo, collusion with a foreign power, election interference, etc.... and they presented Biden to the American people as the best they have to offer to run our country.


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 21, 2020, 07:27:13 PM

Let me remind you that fraud has not been proven by ANYONE at ANY TIME. It does NOT exist.

 
The truth is something so unnatutal to you, you've no idea how to handle it. Keep being one of Trump's groupies, maybe he'll take you back to the hotel when his show is over.

There you go using the "Truth" word again. You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the ass.

The election fraud has been proven. It is widespread, well coordinated and massive. It was with fraudulent ballots, with Dominion machines and software along with polling stations in democratic cities with democrats breaking the law and hiding the election counting process. It has been proven, you guys cheated and it's not just cheating, it's TREASON. If you would remove your head from from your butt long enough to turn off Rachel Maddow, you would know this. It is proven, it is yet to be adjudicated. But rest assured, it will be adjudicated.

I look forward to the perpetrators and all who aided them being lined up in front of a firing squad

 :biggrin:  :bow:  :BEER:  tiphat   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 21, 2020, 07:32:56 PM
Trump and Biden got a combined 154 million votes when only 140 million registered voters voted per the combined total reported by States. There are more votes than voters. It's not that hard to figure out what is going on mhr7. I think you're in massive denial. Don't be surprised if Trump is inaugurated Jan 20. A lot of ignorant people educated by the MSM will be in the streets rioting but at least you've been educated by us to know better.


Newsmax, Fox Business and Fox News have begun airing corrections and clarifications to baseless allegations of election fraud involving Smartmatic and Dominion following legal threats by the two voting machine companies.

https://www.axios.com/newsmax-correction-fox-news-dominion-smartmatic-0886023b-a9fc-42c5-b68f-d8492ad04e5e.html?fbclid=IwAR2otijh3-vbd-XQnjpnADkpyyXCBMktZ-Fpcf54uOGYa8sG1dspuwn8bsg

Dominion and Smartmatic won't sue Sydney Powell who has actual evidence in her possession. They'll be going out of business soon.

Billy, the number of voters I gave you is correct, do a little research. I would love to see Dominion and Smartmatic sue Powell, then she'd have to show her lack of evidence and would have to STFU.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/flawed-calculation-behind-false-claim-of-fraudulent-votes/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 21, 2020, 08:00:13 PM
Just for you mhr7

https://twitter.com/Wordofbeak/status/1340661548914765824

I'm the only one here who is fighting for the rights of the majority who voted.

      :ROFL:         :ROFL:        :ROFL:

No, you're the only delusional fool here supporting the crooks who used crooked computer programs and mafia crooks bringing fraudulent ballots in the middle of the night to steal the election from the legitimate winner; President Trump.

Blind dishonest fools like you are destroying this country.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 21, 2020, 08:03:28 PM

Let me remind you that fraud has not been proven by ANYONE at ANY TIME. It does NOT exist.

 
The truth is something so unnatutal to you, you've no idea how to handle it. Keep being one of Trump's groupies, maybe he'll take you back to the hotel when his show is over.

There you go using the "Truth" word again. You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the ass.

The election fraud has been proven. It is widespread, well coordinated and massive. It was with fraudulent ballots, with Dominion machines and software along with polling stations in democratic cities with democrats breaking the law and hiding the election counting process. It has been proven, you guys cheated and it's not just cheating, it's TREASON. If you would remove your head from from your butt long enough to turn off Rachel Maddow, you would know this. It is proven, it is yet to be adjudicated. But rest assured, it will be adjudicated.

I look forward to the perpetrators and all who aided them being lined up in front of a firing squad.

 :biggrin:  :bow:  :BEER:  tiphat   :thumbsup:

 tiphat  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 21, 2020, 08:10:06 PM
https://populist.press/bannons-war-room-just-reached-monumental-milestone/

“War Room” is what we needed in 2020 and millions of listeners agree. The popularity of the show which rightfully touts being “the signal, not the noise,” has just hit a milestone in podcasting by becoming the number one political podcast in the country.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 21, 2020, 08:13:31 PM
Just for you mhr7

https://twitter.com/Wordofbeak/status/1340661548914765824

I'm the only one here who is fighting for the rights of the majority who voted.

      :ROFL:         :ROFL:        :ROFL:

No, you're the only delusional fool here supporting the crooks who used crooked computer programs and mafia crooks bringing fraudulent ballots in the middle of the night to steal the election from the legitimate winner; President Trump.

Blind dishonest fools like you are destroying this country.

The numbers don't lie, neither does the paper trail. I love this song-

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 21, 2020, 08:23:04 PM
Trump and Biden got a combined 154 million votes when only 140 million registered voters voted per the combined total reported by States. There are more votes than voters. It's not that hard to figure out what is going on mhr7. I think you're in massive denial. Don't be surprised if Trump is inaugurated Jan 20. A lot of ignorant people educated by the MSM will be in the streets rioting but at least you've been educated by us to know better.


Newsmax, Fox Business and Fox News have begun airing corrections and clarifications to baseless allegations of election fraud involving Smartmatic and Dominion following legal threats by the two voting machine companies.

https://www.axios.com/newsmax-correction-fox-news-dominion-smartmatic-0886023b-a9fc-42c5-b68f-d8492ad04e5e.html?fbclid=IwAR2otijh3-vbd-XQnjpnADkpyyXCBMktZ-Fpcf54uOGYa8sG1dspuwn8bsg

Dominion and Smartmatic won't sue Sydney Powell who has actual evidence in her possession. They'll be going out of business soon.

Billy, the number of voters I gave you is correct, do a little research. I would love to see Dominion and Smartmatic sue Powell, then she'd have to show her lack of evidence and would have to STFU.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/flawed-calculation-behind-false-claim-of-fraudulent-votes/

You and your silly fact checking sites. Instead of relying on them, why don't you use your own brain? Let's try Pennsylvania who was accused of fraud. Pennsylvania has 9,358,833 people 18 years and older which qualifies them to vote IF they register and become an eligible voter.

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&hs=cxv&ei=417hX4rZDc2U-gSrtqioAQ&q=age+group+pennsylvania&oq=age+group+pennsylvania&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCAAQzQIyBQgAEM0COgQIABBHOgUIABDJAzoCCAA6CQgAEMkDEBYQHjoGCAAQFhAeOgUIIRCgAToICCEQFhAdEB46CAgAEAgQDRAeOgsIABDJAxAIEA0QHlCp3QlYqPUJYKL3CWgAcAN4AIABZIgB8gaSAQQxMS4xmAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesgBCMABAQ&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjK1vqQyuDtAhVNip4KHSsbChUQ4dUDCAw&uact=5

Pennsylvania reports 71% of their ELIGBLE voting population voted in the 2020 election which means there were 6,644,771 people MAX who voted in Pennsylvania. Of course many of those adults were not eligible because they have a felony record or never registered to vote but for arguments sake, I'll say everybody who was an adult was registered to vote and had clean records so they are eligible to vote.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1184621/presidential-election-voter-turnout-rate-state/

Although there were 6,644,771 people who voted in Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania reported there were 6,838,186 votes cast which means there's almost 200,000 more votes in  Pennsylvania than voters. This doesn't include the other kinds of fraud of flipping votes from Trump to Biden.

https://www.foxnews.com/elections/2020/general-results

Of course there's much more than 200,000 votes that doesn't have an eligible voter connected to the votes in Pennsylvania. In a couple of days VP will asks certain states with dueling electors to explain themselves which they can't because they know their elections had major fraud involved.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 21, 2020, 08:47:52 PM
Trump and Biden got a combined 154 million votes when only 140 million registered voters voted per the combined total reported by States. There are more votes than voters. It's not that hard to figure out what is going on mhr7. I think you're in massive denial. Don't be surprised if Trump is inaugurated Jan 20. A lot of ignorant people educated by the MSM will be in the streets rioting but at least you've been educated by us to know better.


Newsmax, Fox Business and Fox News have begun airing corrections and clarifications to baseless allegations of election fraud involving Smartmatic and Dominion following legal threats by the two voting machine companies.

https://www.axios.com/newsmax-correction-fox-news-dominion-smartmatic-0886023b-a9fc-42c5-b68f-d8492ad04e5e.html?fbclid=IwAR2otijh3-vbd-XQnjpnADkpyyXCBMktZ-Fpcf54uOGYa8sG1dspuwn8bsg

Dominion and Smartmatic won't sue Sydney Powell who has actual evidence in her possession. They'll be going out of business soon.

Billy, the number of voters I gave you is correct, do a little research. I would love to see Dominion and Smartmatic sue Powell, then she'd have to show her lack of evidence and would have to STFU.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/flawed-calculation-behind-false-claim-of-fraudulent-votes/

You and your silly fact checking sites. Instead of relying on them, why don't you use your own brain? Let's try Pennsylvania who was accused of fraud. Pennsylvania has 9,358,833 people 18 years and older which qualifies them to vote IF they register and become an eligible voter.

https://www.google.com/search?client=opera&hs=cxv&ei=417hX4rZDc2U-gSrtqioAQ&q=age+group+pennsylvania&oq=age+group+pennsylvania&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCAAQzQIyBQgAEM0COgQIABBHOgUIABDJAzoCCAA6CQgAEMkDEBYQHjoGCAAQFhAeOgUIIRCgAToICCEQFhAdEB46CAgAEAgQDRAeOgsIABDJAxAIEA0QHlCp3QlYqPUJYKL3CWgAcAN4AIABZIgB8gaSAQQxMS4xmAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdpesgBCMABAQ&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjK1vqQyuDtAhVNip4KHSsbChUQ4dUDCAw&uact=5

Pennsylvania reports 71% of their ELIGBLE voting population voted in the 2020 election which means there were 6,644,771 people MAX who voted in Pennsylvania. Of course many of those adults were not eligible because they have a felony record or never registered to vote but for arguments sake, I'll say everybody who was an adult was registered to vote and had clean records so they are eligible to vote.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1184621/presidential-election-voter-turnout-rate-state/

Although there were 6,644,771 people who voted in Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania reported there were 6,838,186 votes cast which means there's almost 200,000 more votes in  Pennsylvania than voters. This doesn't include the other kinds of fraud of flipping votes from Trump to Biden.

https://www.foxnews.com/elections/2020/general-results

Of course there's much more than 200,000 votes that doesn't have an eligible voter connected to the votes in Pennsylvania. In a couple of days VP will asks certain states with dueling electors to explain themselves which they can't because they know their elections had major fraud involved.

Billy, the PA population statistics you're using are from the 2000 census.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 21, 2020, 09:04:22 PM
 Under 6.5 million people in Pennsylvania registered to vote yet over 6.8 million votes were cast. Figure it out mhr7

https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/number-of-voters-and-voter-registration-in-thousands-as-a-share-of-the-voter-population/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B"colId":"Location","sort":"asc"%7D
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 21, 2020, 09:29:56 PM
Under 6.5 million people in Pennsylvania registered to vote yet over 6.8 million votes were cast. Figure it out mhr7

https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/number-of-voters-and-voter-registration-in-thousands-as-a-share-of-the-voter-population/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B"colId":"Location","sort":"asc"%7D

He's not smart enough to figure it out on his own.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 21, 2020, 09:33:17 PM

Really all this math and arguing about fraud it useless. One side says it happened and the other side said it didn't happen and won't turn over the voting machines or require signature matching of the ballots. So other paths must be taken by Trump.

When the important people sort it out, I hope mhr7 can accept Trump as the President for the next 4 years, maybe 8 if we give him a bonus term because it's going to take that long to clean up the corruption in the Democratic Party. Don't rely on your fact checking sites too much. Remember when they said Trump fired Sydney Powell? She's been seen in the White House 3 of the last 4 days and she's always been admired by Trump although she took a different path to SCOTUS.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 21, 2020, 09:39:44 PM
Under 6.5 million people in Pennsylvania registered to vote yet over 6.8 million votes were cast. Figure it out mhr7

https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/number-of-voters-and-voter-registration-in-thousands-as-a-share-of-the-voter-population/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B"colId":"Location","sort":"asc"%7D

Pennsylvania had 8.6 million registered voters as of June 2020.

https://www.dos.pa.gov/VotingElections/OtherServicesEvents/VotingElectionStatistics/Documents/2020%20Primary%20VR%20Stats%20%20FINAL.pdf

If a state had more votes than voters, they wouldn't have certified their vote.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 21, 2020, 09:57:33 PM
Under 6.5 million people in Pennsylvania registered to vote yet over 6.8 million votes were cast. Figure it out mhr7

https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/number-of-voters-and-voter-registration-in-thousands-as-a-share-of-the-voter-population/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B"colId":"Location","sort":"asc"%7D

Pennsylvania had 8.6 million registered voters as of June 2020.

https://www.dos.pa.gov/VotingElections/OtherServicesEvents/VotingElectionStatistics/Documents/2020%20Primary%20VR%20Stats%20%20FINAL.pdf

If a state had more votes than voters, they wouldn't have certified their vote.

So Pennsylvania wants everyone to believe they increased the registered voters in their state by 2.1 million in a year and a half. 2.1 million divided by 547 days means they created 3,839 new registered voters everyday! They sure were busy. mhr7, it really doesn't matter what numbers you present to make things look right, it just gets more unbelievable.

Although Trump supporters get their wish of a signature audit in Georgia, the Georgia Secretary of State will use kids just out of high school to do the signature verification instead of handwriting experts. Lol. You can't make this shit up! Democrats and RINOs think we're all dumb.

https://twitter.com/DavidShafer/status/1341210965019422720
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 21, 2020, 10:14:01 PM
Under 6.5 million people in Pennsylvania registered to vote yet over 6.8 million votes were cast. Figure it out mhr7

https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/number-of-voters-and-voter-registration-in-thousands-as-a-share-of-the-voter-population/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B"colId":"Location","sort":"asc"%7D

Pennsylvania had 8.6 million registered voters as of June 2020.

https://www.dos.pa.gov/VotingElections/OtherServicesEvents/VotingElectionStatistics/Documents/2020%20Primary%20VR%20Stats%20%20FINAL.pdf

If a state had more votes than voters, they wouldn't have certified their vote.

So Pennsylvania wants everyone to believe they increased the registered voters in their state by 2.1 million in a year and a half. 2.1 million divided by 547 days means they created 3,839 new registered voters everyday! They sure were busy. mhr7, it really doesn't matter what numbers you present to make things look right, it just gets more unbelievable.

Although Trump supporters get their wish of a signature audit in Georgia, the Georgia Secretary of State will use kids just out of high school to do the signature verification instead of handwriting experts. Lol. You can't make this shit up! Democrats and RINOs think we're all dumb.

https://twitter.com/DavidShafer/status/1341210965019422720

In a year and a half the number of registered voters increased by about 100,000. I have no idea where you're getting your numbers. Go to the pdf I gave you to see the numbers.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 21, 2020, 10:17:00 PM
I have no idea where you're getting your numbers.


https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/number-of-voters-and-voter-registration-in-thousands-as-a-share-of-the-voter-population/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B"colId":"Location","sort":"asc"%7D

It's not posting correctly. Copy and paste the link into your browser.

Trump says a big dump in Pennsylvania is going to be revealed soon. Already Hundreds of thousands of ballots have mysteriously showed up from out of State. More will be revealed according to Trump.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/big-news-coming-pennsylvania-trump-tweets-big-illegal-ballot-drop/?ff_source=Twitter&ff_campaign=websitesharingbuttons
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 21, 2020, 10:25:46 PM
I have no idea where you're getting your numbers.


https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/number-of-voters-and-voter-registration-in-thousands-as-a-share-of-the-voter-population/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B"colId":"Location","sort":"asc"%7D

It's not posting correctly. Copy and paste the link into your browser.

Trump says a big dump in Pennsylvania is going to be revealed soon. Already Hundreds of thousands of ballots have mysteriously showed up from out of State. More will be revealed according to Trump.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/big-news-coming-pennsylvania-trump-tweets-big-illegal-ballot-drop/?ff_source=Twitter&ff_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

It works for me.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on December 22, 2020, 02:25:02 AM
Pennsylvania is the 5th most populous state.

Voter participation in general has hovered around 60%. Not all eligible voters are registered to vote.

Simple, many more felt compared to register and vote this year, even over 9 million or so overseas folks. Pennsylvania represents 3.8% of US population.  That's around 350,000 Pennsylvanians overseas.  300k new voters July - October domestic and overseas? Yeah, very possible.

Really don't know why I even posted this.  The election is over, decided, and in a few weeks, Biden and Harris will be inaugurated, the best belated Christmas present I could wish for.

Grinch couldn't produce a Kraken and won't.  The disgruntled will just have to deal with the facts.

Merry Christmas all!

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on December 22, 2020, 05:24:01 AM
There is no proof, it would have turned up by now, it's been 7 weeks.

There is tons of proof, the USA courts just refuse to look at it and quickly declare to dismiss the case.

However, the higher and supreme courts will be forced to look at the proof.

That being said:

I still think trump is not going to win, because they won't let him win. The entire system is stacked against him.

I think that after all is said and done, maybe some people will go to jail for election tampering, but Biden will be president.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on December 22, 2020, 06:51:57 AM
My estimation is that nothing substantive will happen because stakeholders on both sides of the elected representatives in the USA benefit from the existing system.

Trump is an outsider, a transient. As I wrote several years ago, the Trump presidency was the last chance for the USA to become once again a representative democracy. I did not expect that he would succeed in effecting change back then and I was proven correct.

The democratic process in the United States will become ever more of a sham that gives the exceptional people the illusion of having a say in the selection of their political leadership. Less and less will the reality match the illusion.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 22, 2020, 08:37:12 AM
China is under a nation-wide electricity Black Out (including Beijing, shanghai, etc.), even though electric water dams are at a very high level of water!!!

It seems that USA begins to retaliate and attack ChiNazi's electricity network!!!

Lin Wood says that USA has been attacked by ChiNazi twice in year 2020, namely, Wuhan virus bio warfare, presidential election!!!  Lin Wood emphasizes that USA is being under a War with ChiNazi!!!  He asks Americans to prepare for it!  Check out his platform on Twister!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 22, 2020, 08:42:33 AM
There is no proof, it would have turned up by now, it's been 7 weeks.

There is tons of proof, the USA courts just refuse to look at it and quickly declare to dismiss the case.

However, the higher and supreme courts will be forced to look at the proof.

That being said:

I still think trump is not going to win, because they won't let him win. The entire system is stacked against him.

I think that after all is said and done, maybe some people will go to jail for election tampering, but Biden will be president.

Trump is a True Patriot.

He determined to resume Law & Order on the 1st day of his presidency in 2017.  He decided to save USA and accept all those arrows being shot to him.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 22, 2020, 09:04:37 AM
https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-12-18-situation-update-dec-18th-cyber-red-dawn.html

Trump’s intelligence and military team members have put everything in place for an Insurrection Act scenario, but Trump still has to be the one to pull the trigger. Will he?

We’ve all been thinking too small. Signs are now pointing toward war with China, not merely a domestic war with the deep state. America may be in an active international war before Jan. 20th.

Cyber hacks that appear to be from China (although the fake news media keeps reporting Russia) have penetrated and compromised the US government agencies that control all nuclear missiles and nuclear material stockpiles. This was a devastating cyber attack, with huge implications for national security.

I am designating this event a “Cyber Red Dawn.”

Gen. Flynn appears to call for Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act. Confirms “foreign interference” in the US elections.

Reminder of the Pentagon order to shut down its internal “secure” communications systems, across the board, due to devastating cyber intrusion.

The Department of Energy and National Nuclear Security Administration were both hacked and compromised, revealing national security secrets and details about America’s nuclear missiles, nuclear fuel, conventional power grid assets and more. A huge breach. Cyber warfare.

US Army reveals, “We expect adversary actions directed against the homeland.”

There is a tug of war within the National Intelligence Agency. Miles Guo (gnews) says, “the war between the CCP and the United States has already started and the battlefield is in the United States.”

American Friends,
Everything I heard from Chinese sources today is pointing to an Alternative War between USA and China Commie!  Lin Wood also confirms that USA is being attacked by China Commie twice during this year.

Many people in Asia show that they are supporting Trump and upright Americans!

Europeans (such as some members and administrator in RUA) are very retarded already as they don`t know yet they are/(will be) the 'Unlimited War'`s victims after USA has fallen into Red Dawn!


Keep updating USA situation please.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on December 22, 2020, 10:05:21 AM
China is under a nation-wide electricity Black Out (including Beijing, shanghai, etc.), even though electric water dams are at a very high level of water!!!

It seems that USA begins to retaliate and attack ChiNazi's electricity network!!!

Lin Wood says that USA has been attacked by ChiNazi twice in year 2020, namely, Wuhan virus bio warfare, presidential election!!!  Lin Wood emphasizes that USA is being under a War with ChiNazi!!!  He asks Americans to prepare for it!  Check out his platform on Twister!!!


There is NOT a blackout in China. Where do you get such twaddle from?

What there is is a request to use less energy across the country.

The reason for that is becasue China is embargoing Australian coal due t the ongoing spat between the two countries. I have no comment to make on whether taking this action was the best possible choice but it is not what you imagine Loyalman.

Why do you make this stuff up, or accept unquestioningly, stories that people who do not wish you well tell you?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 22, 2020, 11:33:45 AM
January 2nd:

Will Trump activate the Insurection Act or not?

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 22, 2020, 11:56:12 AM
January 2nd:

Will Trump activate the Insurection Act or not?

If I were Trump, I would plan this way -
...
...
etc.

It sounds like an alternative War, right?  But Lin Wood has confirmed that ChiNazi has been attacking USA twice this year.  Retaliation is a MUST.

ChiNazi is very fragile.  Kick down their main door and they will collapse.

If Americans give up, USA will disintegrate.  US$ will become a 2nd rated currency. Post WWII World Order will come to an end.  A long period of global instability will come along with many hot wars.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on December 22, 2020, 07:40:56 PM
President D. Trump gave a speech rejecting the newest Relief Package and indicating that he is not in any way conceding the election.


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 22, 2020, 09:20:11 PM
  The election is over, decided, and in a few weeks, Biden and Harris will be inaugurated, the best belated Christmas present I could wish for.

Grinch couldn't produce a Kraken and won't.  The disgruntled will just have to deal with the facts.

Merry Christmas all!

Here's a famous Christmas song that's tailored for Democrats.

You better watch out!

You better cry

You better pout

I'm telling you why

The Grinch is coming..... to town!

This year, the Democrats Grinch is named VP Pence and he takes your presents tomorrow!

A look at things to come.

https://twitter.com/Raiklin/status/1341503364589375490/photo/1


In other news....

Trump is going to veto the COVID stimulus package because it has too much pork such as giving hundreds of millions of dollars to other nations such as Pakistan to help them with gender studies. Trump wants to give each American $2000 instead of $600 Pelosi wants to give. Trump is also vetoing the Defense Bill. The Democrats stuck a bill in there that takes away a Presidents power to use the Insurrection Act.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1341537886315950080


Trump makes dozens of new appointments for his administration

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/president-donald-j-trump-announces-intent-appoint-individuals-key-administration-posts-122220/?utm_source=twitter


Georgia Secretary of State who's election involved a lot of fraud and who isn't eager to investigate has a brother in China who works as an officer of Huawei. China just passes out jobs to family members of Americans they influence. Hunter isn't the only one that is lucky.

https://twitter.com/absolveyoursins/status/1336264946104098818?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1336264946104098818%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2020%2F12%2Fbreaking-exclusive-ron-raffensperger-brother-georgia-secretary-state-brad-raffensperger-works-huawei-china-close-china-government%2F


President D. Trump gave a speech rejecting the newest Relief Package and indicating that he is not in any way conceding the election.


Over 5000 pages of mostly garbage that politicians voted on without reading it all. Most of the money goes to people, organizations, and nations that has nothing to do with our COVID issues. I'm glad Trump vetoed it. Just IMAGINE if the Democrats wins the two Senate seats in Georgia to take the Senate and Biden becomes President. Stuff like this and WORSE will pass all the time.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 22, 2020, 09:37:21 PM
  The election is over, decided, and in a few weeks, Biden and Harris will be inaugurated, the best belated Christmas present I could wish for.

Grinch couldn't produce a Kraken and won't.  The disgruntled will just have to deal with the facts.

Merry Christmas all!

Here's a famous Christmas song that's tailored for Democrats.

You better watch out!

You better cry

You better pout

I'm telling you why

The Grinch is coming..... to town!

This year, the Democrats Grinch is named VP Pence and he takes your presents tomorrow!

A look at things to come.

https://twitter.com/Raiklin/status/1341503364589375490/photo/1


In other news....

Trump is going to veto the COVID stimulus package because it has too much pork such as giving hundreds of millions of dollars to other nations such as Pakistan to help them with gender studies. Trump wants to give each American $2000 instead of $600 Pelosi wants to give. Trump is also vetoing the Defense Bill. The Democrats stuck a bill in there that takes away a Presidents power to use the Insurrection Act.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1341537886315950080


Trump makes dozens of new appointments for his administration

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/president-donald-j-trump-announces-intent-appoint-individuals-key-administration-posts-122220/?utm_source=twitter


Georgia Secretary of State who's election involved a lot of fraud and who isn't eager to investigate has a brother in China who works as an officer of Huawei. China just passes out jobs to family members of Americans they influence. Hunter isn't the only one that is lucky.

https://twitter.com/absolveyoursins/status/1336264946104098818?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1336264946104098818%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2020%2F12%2Fbreaking-exclusive-ron-raffensperger-brother-georgia-secretary-state-brad-raffensperger-works-huawei-china-close-china-government%2F


President D. Trump gave a speech rejecting the newest Relief Package and indicating that he is not in any way conceding the election.


Over 5000 pages of mostly garbage that politicians voted on without reading it all. Most of the money goes to people, organizations, and nations that has nothing to do with our COVID issues. I'm glad Trump vetoed it. Just IMAGINE if the Democrats wins the two Senate seats in Georgia to take the Senate and Biden becomes President. Stuff like this and WORSE will pass all the time.

ALL certificates have been accepted. Absolutely nothing will happen tomorrow. Georgia Sec. of State does NOT have a brother working in China. They simply have the same last name.

You'll believe anything, wake up!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on December 22, 2020, 11:01:17 PM

ChiNazi is very fragile.  Kick down their main door and they will collapse.

If Americans give up, USA will disintegrate.  US$ will become a 2nd rated currency. Post WWII World Order will come to an end.  A long period of global instability will come along with many hot wars.

Either you are delusional or you live in an alternative state of mind.

WAR & AGGRESSION IS NOT A GOOD THING

China has so many internal fractures that its collapse will happen, look at its own history. Tomorrow no, next year I doubt it, in ten years possibly.

Try to become real you are becoming tiring. There is no discussion just your somewhat morbid hatred of China as you perceive it.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 22, 2020, 11:42:24 PM

ChiNazi is very fragile.  Kick down their main door and they will collapse.

If Americans give up, USA will disintegrate.  US$ will become a 2nd rated currency. Post WWII World Order will come to an end.  A long period of global instability will come along with many hot wars.

Either you are delusional or you live in an alternative state of mind.

WAR & AGGRESSION IS NOT A GOOD THING

China has so many internal fractures that its collapse will happen, look at its own history. Tomorrow no, next year I doubt it, in ten years possibly.

Try to become real you are becoming tiring. There is no discussion just your somewhat morbid hatred of China as you perceive it.


Just because we live in 2 different worlds, just like water life and land life.  Don't cry for help next time when some one says your somewhat morbid hatred of some Tyrant which have nothing to do with us in Asia, UK or USA.

You better talk to your ChiNazi to stop their invasion to USA.  Americans have confirmed that these are WAR against USA.

Byebye.  Don't read my posts please!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 23, 2020, 01:26:36 AM
[attachimg=1]

Trump Supporters Street Interviews on 19th December 2020, Washington DC!

Original English Conversation

My particular recommendation is to watch video from 2:27, a guy betrayed by Liberals (hypocrite such as AvHdB on rua), describing liberals` actual conduct in reality.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on December 23, 2020, 05:38:51 AM
Don't read my posts please!

LoyalMan, I WILL READ WHAT I WANT - I WILL FORM MY OWN OPINIONS - Are you the NAZI THOUGHT POLICE?
Have a nice day!
tiphat
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on December 23, 2020, 05:41:16 AM
It seems China is beating capitalists at their own game.

The US and other companies have profited from low-cost production in China.  Each item from China is resold multiple times and each party profits from it.  Walmart and all its employees would not exist if it wasn't for products made in China.

The main difference as I see it is that profits in China are dumped back into the economy to increase production even more instead of being hoarded on Wall Street and investors demanding high yield.

Wages in China are rapidly reaching levels of many developed nations.

Capitalism is about competition or? 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on December 23, 2020, 06:57:41 AM
It seems China is beating capitalists at their own game.

The US and other companies have profited from low-cost production in China.  Each item from China is resold multiple times and each party profits from it.  Walmart and all its employees would not exist if it wasn't for products made in China.

The main difference as I see it is that profits in China are dumped back into the economy to increase production even more instead of being hoarded on Wall Street and investors demanding high yield.

Wages in China are rapidly reaching levels of many developed nations.

Capitalism is about competition or?

Spoken like a true socialist. Walmart existed long before China was embraced for trade by the US. As for the wages in China are you referring to the $.30 an hour 16 hour days production peeps make in the sweatshops of NIKE and Apple or the elite members of the CCP?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on December 23, 2020, 09:48:09 AM
As for the wages in China are you referring to the $.30 an hour 16 hour days production peeps make in the sweatshops of NIKE and Apple or the elite members of the CCP?

As if america is better than these things. Many minimum-wage jobs in america are working the same hours with 2 and even 3 jobs being normal just to make ends meet.

Whilst minimum wage in the USA is around 7/hour or so, the fixed-costs are also much higher. I dare bet that the average chinese sweatshop guy/girl has no better or worse life than a burger flipper at mac-d.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on December 23, 2020, 10:06:49 AM

As if america is better than these things. Many minimum-wage jobs in america are working the same hours with 2 and even 3 jobs being normal just to make ends meet.

Whilst minimum wage in the USA is around 7/hour or so, the fixed-costs are also much higher. I dare bet that the average chinese sweatshop guy/girl has no better or worse life than a burger flipper at mac-d.

I take it math isn't one of your better subjects. I believe $8.50 is the minimum in many states in which it does vary by state. Some states are $11.50 and other states somewhere in between those figures. 8 hours is a workday in the US with time and a half paid for anytime over that which brings that to somewhere $17.25 for overtime hours. Continue on to comparing that with China production workers at $.30 per hour (that is on the high side) working 16 hours a day vs an American wages and actually believe they are no better or no worse is beyond absurdity. Chinese workers would have to work 16 hours in sweatshop conditions to obtain roughly half what an American minimum wage worker would make in 30 minutes. No doubt you'd vote democrat if you could eh? Seems your head is stuck inside your exit only as proof of your position
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 23, 2020, 10:14:07 AM
It seems China is beating capitalists at their own game.

The US and other companies have profited from low-cost production in China.  Each item from China is resold multiple times and each party profits from it.  Walmart and all its employees would not exist if it wasn't for products made in China.

The main difference as I see it is that profits in China are dumped back into the economy to increase production even more instead of being hoarded on Wall Street and investors demanding high yield.

Wages in China are rapidly reaching levels of many developed nations.

Capitalism is about competition or?

Friend,
You are only at kindergarten level when it comes to discussing about Evil Tyrant.  If you still believe in China Commie's propaganda, no one can help.

ChiNazi's Premier Li leaked in a meeting in October that 0.6 billion of China people monthly wage is less than RMB 1,000.  Wage of 95% labour people is less than RMB5,000 per month.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 23, 2020, 10:22:17 AM
Fraudulent Dominion voting machines tied to Obama`s ACORN scam

Barack Obama appears to be a kingpin behind election fraud

by Natural News

1st December, 2020

https://noqreport.com/2020/12/01/fraudulent-dominion-voting-machines-tied-to-obamas-acorn-scam/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 23, 2020, 10:42:53 AM
Why are there Rallies in Japan, Taiwan and (2019`s Hong Kong) supporting Trump Team?
 while Europeans are silent about USA 2020 Election Crisis?!?  ;)

Because we know our success have been nurtured by USA and UK.

Europeans have already forgot the Good Old USA and in 21st Century, they want to earn some little dirty RMB even though USA Troops are still safe guarding their homes.

I totally agree with President Trump completely cancelling Troops guarding Germany and Europe so that they can invite Russians and ChiNazi into their homes  ;)

Welcome Back US Navy and Royal Navy!  Japan and Asia 4 Little Dragons are on your side! We are willing to share military cost ^^
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 23, 2020, 10:59:48 AM
My own summary about Election Crisis is:
Trump Team has 2 sides.

1. Rudy Giuliani and Jenna Ellis - who choose to follow the Institution to resume Law & Order.
2. Powell and Lin Wood - who petition President Trump to activate 2018 Administration Order to correct the Law and Order.

My opinion is (1) to be the apparent route; while (2) is as a strong support to (1).  Both sides must work together seamlessly.

Cheers!  ^^
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Guile on December 23, 2020, 11:57:30 AM
LoyalMan you need a Russian girlfriend  :ROFL: :ROFL:  problem is you can't even get a Chinese girlfriend.  :ROFL:

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 23, 2020, 02:19:53 PM
Pelosi agrees to send a slice of cake along with the $600 check.

https://babylonbee.com/news/pelosi-announces-every-600-check-will-come-with-free-slice-of-cake
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on December 23, 2020, 05:03:41 PM
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Pelosi agrees to send a slice of cake along with the $600 check.

https://babylonbee.com/news/pelosi-announces-every-600-check-will-come-with-free-slice-of-cake

Something like "let them eat cake.'
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 23, 2020, 05:59:56 PM
For Billy and Loyalman -

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on December 23, 2020, 07:06:19 PM
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Pelosi agrees to send a slice of cake along with the $600 check.

https://babylonbee.com/news/pelosi-announces-every-600-check-will-come-with-free-slice-of-cake

Something like "let them eat cake.'

While a few will understand the expression, "let them eat cake." Some may wonder about the analogy, from Wikipedia is an explanation. While I am not sure if Pelosi in fact said that it certainly fits her character.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cake
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on December 23, 2020, 07:53:04 PM
As for the wages in China are you referring to the $.30 an hour 16 hour days production peeps make in the sweatshops of NIKE and Apple or the elite members of the CCP?

As if america is better than these things. Many minimum-wage jobs in america are working the same hours with 2 and even 3 jobs being normal just to make ends meet.

Whilst minimum wage in the USA is around 7/hour or so, the fixed-costs are also much higher. I dare bet that the average chinese sweatshop guy/girl has no better or worse life than a burger flipper at mac-d.

In this state only the new hires and students working part time will make the minimum wage while the prove they will show up everyday and learn the job. Once they know what they are doing and prove they a profitable employee they get raises or they find another burger job that pay better.  If you do not pay 9 dollars you will not be able to keep any help. This is not an expensive place to live like most of Europe. Long time employees are usually making over 10 dollars. If you can count on your fingers and toes up to twenty you may move into management.  These jobs are not for the smartest of people. When I talk to people who have these type of jobs usually it is a wife and the husband also has a job, they are a student getting help from parents, or they live with several family members and share rent. The really big concern is what happens when these burger places automate and they no longer hire these type of people.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 23, 2020, 08:27:40 PM
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Pelosi agrees to send a slice of cake along with the $600 check.

https://babylonbee.com/news/pelosi-announces-every-600-check-will-come-with-free-slice-of-cake

Something like "let them eat cake.'

While a few will understand the expression, "let them eat cake." Some may wonder about the analogy, from Wikipedia is an explanation. While I am not sure if Pelosi in fact said that it certainly fits her character.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cake

Babylonbee is satire.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on December 23, 2020, 08:32:06 PM
While a few will understand the expression, "let them eat cake." Some may wonder about the analogy, from Wikipedia is an explanation. While I am not sure if Pelosi in fact said that it certainly fits her character. [/size][/font]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cake

It is mostly used as a metaphor in relation to Pelosi. Most folks probably understand this is a  take from the Marie Antoinette quote as to the pheasants "let them eat cake". Nancy Pelosi did a bit on some morning show about her $5000 worth of specialty ice cream in her $24K freezer. This was just after the first chinavirus relief package while many people had just lost their jobs and she passed a pork filled bill in congress. It is a comparison to her and the queen of France just prior to the french revolution. A fair comparison at that, satire or not
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 23, 2020, 08:34:47 PM
As for the wages in China are you referring to the $.30 an hour 16 hour days production peeps make in the sweatshops of NIKE and Apple or the elite members of the CCP?

As if america is better than these things. Many minimum-wage jobs in america are working the same hours with 2 and even 3 jobs being normal just to make ends meet.

Whilst minimum wage in the USA is around 7/hour or so, the fixed-costs are also much higher. I dare bet that the average chinese sweatshop guy/girl has no better or worse life than a burger flipper at mac-d.

Minimum wage in my state, Colorado, is $12/hr. Going to $13 on Jan. 1.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 23, 2020, 08:46:25 PM
For Billy and Loyalman -


Karl Rove has been out of the loop for over a decade. He doesn't think Trump can use the Insurrection act against people who are trying to steal an election. He should check out the definition of Insurrection. Last time the Insurrection act was used was in 1992 when Bill Clinton used it during the LA riots, hardly an event that would take over the federal government like what we're seeing here.

Karl Rove is not impressed with Sydney Powell. Mainstream media hates her because she will out a lot of their allies. Regardless of what fake news says, she's still a big player for Trump. Trump just appointed a Gen Flynn ally to chairman of the board of the group that declassifies info for public consumption. He also allowed special prosecutors to use classified info to prosecute people. Now a grand jury gets to see that stuff. Durham and the next special prosecutor, probably Sydney Powell, will be able to make real progress.

Tomorrow, Thursday Dec 24th, all Americans will be sent a message from the President on their cell phones in a test to make sure the system is working properly. Sorry, you can't opt out or silence the message. The system may be needed soon when Trump has something really important to announce. No matter what videos or articles you post here by 'experts', today is the day Trump's odds significantly increase for him to be inaugurated Jan 20. I thought he may have had to use guns but thanks to our Constitution, it provides protection against corrupt people trying to steal elections. Brilliantly played by Team Trump.

A few days ago, Trump created a Commission to promote patriotic education to counter liberal BS in our school system. Why would he make so many new appointments and commissions lately if he is going to be out of a job next month?

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2020/12/19/Trump-appoints-members-to-patriotic-education-group/5131608394387/

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 23, 2020, 09:08:59 PM

Trump tweets powerful video. It concludes with they tried to steal our country but instead, they awoke a sleeping giant. They tried to trigger a Great Reset but instead they triggered a great awakening. 5 years from now we will tell our children we fought for and won our freedom like our forefathers did in 1776.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1341948764068704256
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on December 23, 2020, 09:25:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RovAF-EeUQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RovAF-EeUQ)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 23, 2020, 09:38:05 PM

Trump tweets powerful video. It concludes with they tried to steal our country but instead, they awoke a sleeping giant. They tried to trigger a Great Reset but instead they triggered a great awakening. 5 years from now we will tell our children we fought for and won our freedom like our forefathers did in 1776.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1341948764068704256

That's a nice fantasy but it's not going to happen. Giuliani and Powell are being sued,  they'll have to put up or shut up and I'm betting on the latter. No one will receive a message on their phone, just like there was nothing done by Pence today.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 23, 2020, 10:50:29 PM
Giuliani and Powell are being sued,


Sued by a Dominion employee because his feelings got hurt. Let us know when Dominion and Smartmatic sues them. That will force a judge to look at Sydney Powell's evidence and a civil trial can turn into a criminal trial if the judge sees Dominion and Smartmatic done wrong.

Acting Sec of Defense thanks VP Pence for his efforts in some of the most complex military operations in history. I guess the operation is classified because they ain't telling what those operations were about

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/acting-secretary-department-defense-chris-miller-thanks-vp-pence-efforts-complex-military-operation-history/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 23, 2020, 11:06:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RovAF-EeUQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RovAF-EeUQ)

Thank you for this Christmas video by President Trump with the First Lady.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 23, 2020, 11:12:25 PM
Giuliani and Powell are being sued,


Sued by a Dominion employee because his feelings got hurt. Let us know when Dominion and Smartmatic sues them. That will force a judge to look at Sydney Powell's evidence and a civil trial can turn into a criminal trial if the judge sees Dominion and Smartmatic done wrong.

Acting Sec of Defense thanks VP Pence for his efforts in some of the most complex military operations in history. I guess the operation is classified because they ain't telling what those operations were about

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/acting-secretary-department-defense-chris-miller-thanks-vp-pence-efforts-complex-military-operation-history/

Got his feelings hurt? He and his family received death threats and they had to go into hiding. Powell and Guiliani have been warned of imminent lawsuits,don't expect them to say anything negative about Dominion.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 24, 2020, 01:24:04 AM
Got his feelings hurt? He and his family received death threats and they had to go into hiding.


Eric Coomer wrote many nasty things about Trump. In his Antifa manifesto to Trump he posted on the internet, he said Trump and his supporters represent the worst in humanity. Eric lives by the sword, he'll die by the sword. Dominion should've never put this man in charge of anything related to elections.

Powell and Guiliani have been warned of imminent lawsuits,don't expect them to say anything negative about Dominion.


Powell gave an interview today saying Dominion machines were shipping our votes to Frankfurt and Dominion and Smartmatic have a relationship. She's not going to stop talking about them.

https://www.sidneypowell.com/media/listen-below-for-sidney-powells-latest-insight-into-the-fraudulent-2020-election

Lin Wood wrote them a letter asking them to sue Sidney Powell. Read the short and to the point response letter below.

https://parler.com/post/83818c23cdf643b384409c83c98fb779
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 24, 2020, 02:14:57 AM
Eric Coomer wrote many nasty things about Trump. In his Antifa manifesto to Trump he posted on the internet, he said Trump and his supporters represent the worst in humanity. Eric lives by the sword, he'll die by the sword. Dominion should've never put this man in charge of anything related to elections.

No, Eric Coomer has no connection to or communication with antifa whatsoever. It's one of the reasons he is suing for defamation.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 24, 2020, 03:44:34 AM
Eric Coomer wrote many nasty things about Trump. In his Antifa manifesto to Trump he posted on the internet, he said Trump and his supporters represent the worst in humanity. Eric lives by the sword, he'll die by the sword. Dominion should've never put this man in charge of anything related to elections.

No, Eric Coomer has no connection to or communication with antifa whatsoever. It's one of the reasons he is suing for defamation.

Trying to figure out who is mhr7?!?
(https://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=29044.0;attach=61453;image)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 24, 2020, 09:37:06 AM
16th December, 2020
USA Senate hearing
James Troupis Speech

Original English Conversation
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 24, 2020, 10:49:53 AM
16th December, 2020
USA Senate hearing
James Troupis Speech

Original English Conversation

This is an excellent video featuring a lawyer who took a case on behalf of President Trump.

He talks about the intimidation tactics of the left including "cancel culture" and how the radical left has been intimidating our court system. We saw this when the Supreme Court declined to take the case from Texas. Also featuring real journalist James O O'Keefe.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 24, 2020, 11:00:37 AM
Senator Rand Paul explains the reality of 2020: treasury brought in 3.3 Trillion in taxes but Congress spent 6.6 Trillion, a record deficit of 3.3 Trillion.

           
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 24, 2020, 12:09:19 PM

Low energy Biden in 30 seconds can't speak clearly when talking about Santa Claus, tells everybody "good afternoon" when it's morning and introduces himself as Joe Biden. Why does he have to tell us his name all the time? It's him that can't remember anything.

https://twitter.com/TrnNews007/status/1341880287274287104

Watch the video in the link below. 7 years ago Biden was mentally a lot sharper and actually talked about making our elections better to prevent fraud.

https://pjmedia.com/election/matt-margolis/2020/12/16/flashback-biden-was-concerned-about-manipulated-voting-machines-called-for-paper-ballots-n1215252
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 24, 2020, 12:27:22 PM
16th December, 2020
USA Senate hearing
James Troupis Speech

Original English Conversation

This is an excellent video featuring a lawyer who took a case on behalf of President Trump.

He talks about the intimidation tactics of the left including "cancel culture" and how the radical left has been intimidating our court system. We saw this when the Supreme Court declined to take the case from Texas. Also featuring real journalist James O O'Keefe.

The left intimidated the Supreme Court? Is that your lame excuse?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 24, 2020, 12:27:32 PM
For those who haven't yet read this:

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2020/12/14/forensics-report-on-mich-countys-voting-machines-claims-dominion-intentionally-and-purposefully-designed-for-fraud-n1210573
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 24, 2020, 12:28:45 PM
Eric Coomer wrote many nasty things about Trump. In his Antifa manifesto to Trump he posted on the internet, he said Trump and his supporters represent the worst in humanity. Eric lives by the sword, he'll die by the sword. Dominion should've never put this man in charge of anything related to elections.

No, Eric Coomer has no connection to or communication with antifa whatsoever. It's one of the reasons he is suing for defamation.

Trying to figure out who is mhr7?!?
(https://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=29044.0;attach=61453;image)

Couldn't care less.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on December 24, 2020, 04:37:11 PM

Minimum wage in my state, Colorado, is $12/hr. Going to $13 on Jan. 1.
Thats very nice of colorado, but thats a state-perk, I'm talking federal-level.

(and the same to other commentors on the same subject).

I watch shows that depict america (unwillingly, or as a side-dish) in a more real light than they intend to do.

Shows like "undercover boss" , where a benevolant boss goes undercover, meets up with sobstories and hands them 20k-30k dollar bonusses for their honesty. But listening to those stories, you do get a real feel what real minimum wage jobs in america pay, and it aint much.

You guys scorn china with their low wages, but you keep forgetting life in china is equally a lot cheaper and they aren't worse off.

Just like minimum wage in NL is also around 1500 euro/month. That means that if you hire someone for only 20 hours/week, you need to pay them at least 20/hour, instead of 10/hour if they work full time... it discourages businesses to hire 'throw-away' personell. Although businesses (As always) find ways around that.

However, if you really, really want to see a first-nation state like Netherlands misbehaving, research 'toeslagen affaire' in the Dutch news. Its really , really bad and the poison hasn't finished yet.

In short: Families have been broken, suicide of people. Divorces, evictions, all because the tax-office ran unchecked by the powers that be on the hunt for fraudsters and punished the non-fraudsters equally hard when they became suspect.

So far, they estimate at least 30.000 low-wage families with little spending-power have been incorrectly ordered to pay $30k in taxes to the tax-office on suspicion of fraud.

Now the government is finally waking up, but its a decade too late.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 24, 2020, 05:14:01 PM
Thats very nice of colorado, but thats a state-perk, I'm talking federal-level.

You guys scorn china with their low wages, but you keep forgetting life in china is equally a lot cheaper and they aren't worse off.


$15 per hour is minimum wage in Seattle which is more than Washington State that city is in. Local and State governments may set minimum wage higher based on cost of living. Federal level minimum wage is the minimum guildeline all cities and States must abide by.  I bet a house in Seattle would cost double of the same house in Texas. Minimum wage may be a way of life for most people in some Asian countries but it's not here. My son works fast food while going to college. It's a place to get experience. I don't want him to make a living wage. After a few years working fast food, he understands the value of college and he wants to make more. Here in America, most people can easily move ahead in life and not be stuck at minimum wage. Here's a comparison of USA and China for minimum wage over the years.

https://countryeconomy.com/countries/compare/china/usa?sc=XE0H
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 24, 2020, 09:44:48 PM
16th December, 2020
USA Senate hearing
James Troupis Speech

Original English Conversation

This is an excellent video featuring a lawyer who took a case on behalf of President Trump.

He talks about the intimidation tactics of the left including "cancel culture" and how the radical left has been intimidating our court system. We saw this when the Supreme Court declined to take the case from Texas. Also featuring real journalist James O O'Keefe.

American Friend,
I am glad you appreciate my information.
Nowadays, non-English title may avoid censorship!  HAHAHA!

I have just submitted this video to Bannon's War Room!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 24, 2020, 10:00:30 PM
You guys scorn china with their low wages, but you keep forgetting life in china is equally a lot cheaper and they aren't worse off.

European Friend,
Living cost in mainland China is not cheap if you also count the payout for such low cost service or products.

For crucial public services like telecom, electricity, finance etc,  there is no competition and China commie can charge you anything.

For medical services, only regular China Communist members can enjoy free service.

For real estate, they say that in order to buy a new apartment, they need "2 generations + 3 families", that is, husband + wife + husband's parents + wife's parents.  If the apartment's quality is low, they will lose everything.

As to food, most are chemically polluted and one has to pay huge cost of health care in their later life.

For those higher income group like IT persons, their regular working hours are 9-9-6, that is, from 9am to 9pm 6 days per week.  They say their extra earned money are spent in ICU.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 24, 2020, 10:05:02 PM
GA Senate Committee Releases Damning Report On Election Fraud –
Election "Untrustworthy".  Recommends Decertifying Electors

by Steven Ahle, 23rd, December, 2020

https://djhjmedia.com/steven/ga-senate-committee-releases-damning-report-on-election-fraud-election-untrustworthyrecommends-decertifying-electors/

The Full Report:
http://www.senatorligon.com/THE_FINAL%20REPORT.PDF (http://www.senatorligon.com/THE_FINAL%20REPORT.PDF)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 24, 2020, 11:05:25 PM
Some of the best things Trump did recently is install people who will help decide to declassify info so it can be released to the public and allow the Attorney General to use classified info to indict people. Why is this important? Because in the past grand juries could not see classified evidence and the CIA, FBI and other organizations could veto the release of classified info in their possession. So if CIA director Gina Haspel or Joe Biden committed crimes that are classified, it would be hard to prosecute them in a court of law and in the court of public opinion before Trump changed the rules. It's a game changer but if Biden becomes President, he can undo everything Trump did but I don't think Trump intends for that to happen. Me thinks we are soon going to read about some big names in big trouble.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 25, 2020, 11:27:36 AM
Billy,
Can this report help correcting Law & Order of this Election on/before 6th January?!?

The Full Report:
http://www.senatorligon.com/THE_FINAL%20REPORT.PDF (http://www.senatorligon.com/THE_FINAL%20REPORT.PDF)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on December 26, 2020, 08:49:04 AM
Georgia Secretary of State who's election involved a lot of fraud and who isn't eager to investigate has a brother in China who works as an officer of Huawei. China just passes out jobs to family members of Americans they influence. Hunter isn't the only one that is lucky.
ALL certificates have been accepted. Absolutely nothing will happen tomorrow. Georgia Sec. of State does NOT have a brother working in China. They simply have the same last name.
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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 26, 2020, 10:02:10 AM

Trump doesn't tweet anything about the intentional Nashville bombing in which a loudspeaker gave a 15 minute warning to people to clear the area before the explosion. It seems they wanted to do infrastructure damage. The bombing has ties to Dominion voting machines.

https://welovetrump.com/2020/12/26/att-building-that-was-bombed-in-nashville-has-connections-to-dominion/


The man in the video is the CEO of the company that does the deep forensic audits of the voting machines. He said in Georgia, there is a smart thermostat that through wifi picks up signals from the voting machines and sends it to China. He also said our votes were sent to Frankfurt. In a previous video, he said the CEO of Dominion machines lied to Michigan legislatures when he told them the machines do not count votes in decimals. The Dominion manual says it counts votes in decimals.

https://twitter.com/PrivilegedLydia/status/1342640029353578500


Sec of State says we lead the world and need to protect our technology from theft from China.

https://twitter.com/SecPompeo/status/1339643335905079296


A physical brawl translation of the election battle. Watch what happens in the end.

https://twitter.com/NewYorkCity1986/status/1342377471648419840
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 26, 2020, 03:38:39 PM
Trump doesn't tweet anything about the intentional Nashville bombing in which a loudspeaker gave a 15 minute warning to people to clear the area before the explosion. It seems they wanted to do infrastructure damage. The bombing has ties to Dominion voting machines.

https://welovetrump.com/2020/12/26/att-building-that-was-bombed-in-nashville-has-connections-to-dominion/


The man in the video is the CEO of the company that does the deep forensic audits of the voting machines. He said in Georgia, there is a smart thermostat that through wifi picks up signals from the voting machines and sends it to China. He also said our votes were sent to Frankfurt. In a previous video, he said the CEO of Dominion machines lied to Michigan legislatures when he told them the machines do not count votes in decimals. The Dominion manual says it counts votes in decimals.


The bombing has ties to Dominion? Are they a terrorist group now?

A Detroit Free Press story from Nov. 21 quotes Rudy Giuliani as saying Michigan has “over-votes in numerous precincts of 150%, 200% and 300%.” Giuliani’s source was an affidavit from Ramsland, who is a former Republican congressional candidate.  All 19 of the precincts cited in his affidavit are in Minnesota, not Michigan. Ramsland has also inaccurately stated the voter turnout rate in Detroit, saying it was nearly three times higher than it actually was.

https://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,4534,7-359--547422--,00.html

Ramsland is part of the Trump, Giuliani, Powell group.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 27, 2020, 10:29:45 AM

This is a good read by Patrick Byrne who was told by the FBI to bribe Hillary. He said federal law enforcement was weaponized to serve politics and it was turned on Hillary. The FBI asked him to sleep with Russian spy Maria Butina to get info but he felt the FBI bosses allowed it to go on too long by letting her infiltrate into political campaigns. Now he puts the puzzle together and he understands that the allowed it to happen so they can use it against Hillary, Trump, Rubio, or Cruz who was going to be President. The Russians didn't want to target Bernie since they believed he had zero chance in winning. Apparently they must've known about the Democrats cheating in the primary elections and it was going to be Hillary winning. Patrick thinks Maria Butina would make a good Russian President. She's smart, knows a lot about our Constitution and life and he doesn't think she's a bad person and would bring good to Russia.

https://www.deepcapture.com/2019/08/maria-butina-and-i-part-deux-romancing-maria/


The bombing has ties to Dominion? Are they a terrorist group now?


Read the article and connections. The AT&T building holds to the equipment that the NSA spies on people. Some people who worked at AT&T works at Dominion's parent company. Lots more connections.

https://twitter.com/dark2light_q/status/1342576639562182657

https://nationalfile.com/solarwinds-parent-company-owned-data-center-affected-by-nashville-christmas-day-bomb-until-2015/

A Detroit Free Press story from Nov. 21 quotes Rudy Giuliani as saying Michigan has “over-votes in numerous precincts of 150%, 200% and 300%.” Giuliani’s source was an affidavit from Ramsland, who is a former Republican congressional candidate.  All 19 of the precincts cited in his affidavit are in Minnesota, not Michigan. Ramsland has also inaccurately stated the voter turnout rate in Detroit, saying it was nearly three times higher than it actually was.

https://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,4534,7-359--547422--,00.html

Ramsland is part of the Trump, Giuliani, Powell group.

The Michigan AG doesn't know anything about a voting machine. She just goes around saying everybody is wrong and she is trying to put sanctions on any attorney that says there was election fraud so they can't practice law in Michigan. She is a true Communist.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 27, 2020, 01:48:07 PM
Read the article and connections. The AT&T building holds to the equipment that the NSA spies on people. Some people who worked at AT&T works at Dominion's parent company. Lots more connections.

It's a very, very, weak case.

Quote
The Michigan AG doesn't know anything about a voting machine.

Neither do you.

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She is a true Communist.

Definition of communism

1a: a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed

b: a theory advocating elimination of private property


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/communism
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 28, 2020, 04:08:39 PM
Although there were 6,644,771 people who voted in Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania reported there were 6,838,186 votes cast which means there's almost 200,000 more votes in  Pennsylvania than voters. This doesn't include the other kinds of fraud of flipping votes from Trump to Biden.


I posted this a week ago and today Trump Tweeted there's 205,000 more votes than voters in Pennsylvania. Does he read RUAdventures?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1343663159085834248
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on December 31, 2020, 02:46:33 PM
Democrats and liberals especially have a very limited knowledge
of both History and the constitution. So they believe whatever is
told to them by the left wing activist press and lefty elected leaders.

Lefty Sen. Amy Klobuchar called Sen. Josh Hawley objection to the
electoral college count a coup attempt.

Klobuchar Rips Hawley over Plan to Object to Electoral College Results:
‘Coup Attempt’

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/klobuchar-rips-hawley-over-plan-190903999.html


Remember 2004? California Senator Barbara Boxer alleged widespread
voting irregularities on election day and objected to counting of Ohio's
electoral votes. Nobody accused her of a coup attempt.

Democrats challenge Ohio electoral votes
Move delays official certification of presidential election
Thursday, January 6, 2005

https://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/06/electoral.vote.1718/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on December 31, 2020, 03:05:20 PM
Democrats and liberals especially have a very limited knowledge
of both History and the constitution. So they believe whatever is
told to them by the left wing activist press and lefty elected leaders.

Lefty Sen. Amy Klobuchar called Sen. Josh Hawley objection to the
electoral college count a coup attempt.

Klobuchar Rips Hawley over Plan to Object to Electoral College Results:
‘Coup Attempt’

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/klobuchar-rips-hawley-over-plan-190903999.html


Remember 2004? California Senator Barbara Boxer alleged widespread
voting irregularities on election day and objected to counting of Ohio's
electoral votes. Nobody accused her of a coup attempt.

Democrats challenge Ohio electoral votes
Move delays official certification of presidential election
Thursday, January 6, 2005

https://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/06/electoral.vote.1718/

 Interesting... taken from Bill's yahoo link above...

 Brooks and other House Republicans could succeed in having their objections heard, though there is no indication that vice president Mike Pence will refuse to certify the results.

 Even on yahoo they indicate it's possible for Pence to refuse to certify the electors. So much for his position just being ceremonial...    :coffeeread:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 31, 2020, 05:42:28 PM
Democrats and liberals especially have a very limited knowledge
of both History and the constitution. So they believe whatever is
told to them by the left wing activist press and lefty elected leaders.

Lefty Sen. Amy Klobuchar called Sen. Josh Hawley objection to the
electoral college count a coup attempt.

Klobuchar Rips Hawley over Plan to Object to Electoral College Results:
‘Coup Attempt’

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/klobuchar-rips-hawley-over-plan-190903999.html


Remember 2004? California Senator Barbara Boxer alleged widespread
voting irregularities on election day and objected to counting of Ohio's
electoral votes. Nobody accused her of a coup attempt.

Democrats challenge Ohio electoral votes
Move delays official certification of presidential election
Thursday, January 6, 2005

https://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/06/electoral.vote.1718/

 Interesting... taken from Bill's yahoo link above...

 Brooks and other House Republicans could succeed in having their objections heard, though there is no indication that vice president Mike Pence will refuse to certify the results.

 Even on yahoo they indicate it's possible for Pence to refuse to certify the electors. So much for his position just being ceremonial...    :coffeeread:

Unfortunately for Trump, legal experts say Pence has absolutely no authority, constitutional or otherwise, to prevent ratification of the electoral college votes. The Constitution states that Pence “shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted.” The “shall” in the provision is an imperative command, unambiguously requiring the act be completed, making Pence’s role merely ceremonial.

“The 12th Amendment merely designates the President of the Senate (the VP) to ‘open all the certificates.’ But then uses the passive voice: ‘the votes shall then be counted.’ Implicitly, Congress does the counting,” Fordham law professor and legal historian Jed Shugerman clarified on Twitter.

Similarly, the Electoral Count Act of 1887—which describes the process for counting Electoral College votes—stipulates that Pence open “all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States.”

“Note that the president of the Senate (the VP) has no special role in resolving any dispute,” Shugerman wrote, also noting that slates of electors can only be overridden if “BOTH Houses ‘concurrently reject’ that slate.”

“Bottom line: There is no secret legal maneuver left to stop a Biden presidency. Pence & [Mitch] McConnell understand these rules & are in an awkward political position of their own sad making. Any drama before or on Jan 6 will be merely a pathetic show of Trump loyalty/cowardice,” Shugerman concluded.


https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/mike-pence-cannot-block-the-certification-of-joe-bidens-victory-when-the-senate-formally-counts-electoral-college-votes-on-jan-6th/

Wake up, use your brain and read the constitutional laws.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on December 31, 2020, 05:50:48 PM
Interesting... taken from Bill's yahoo link above...

 Brooks and other House Republicans could succeed in having their objections heard, though there is no indication that vice president Mike Pence will refuse to certify the results.

 Even on yahoo they indicate it's possible for Pence to refuse to certify the electors. So much for his position just being ceremonial...    :coffeeread:

I don't think they will have any more success than Bab's did back in 2004.
I was just pointing out that Barby Boxer was holding up the show back
during GWB second election and now the Left is acting as if this is
a coup attempt.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on December 31, 2020, 07:03:46 PM
https://lawandcrime.com/2020-election/mike-pence-cannot-block-the-certification-of-joe-bidens-victory-when-the-senate-formally-counts-electoral-college-votes-on-jan-6th/

Wake up, use your brain and read the constitutional laws.

It's slightly more complicated than that, but you are correct that
Pence can't do anything. The more complicated part is that a
member of the house and a member of the Senate can dispute
the electoral college BUT both the House and the Senate have to
vote to toss out the election results that's not going to happen.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 31, 2020, 07:51:43 PM
Big Daddy is ending his vacation early and coming back to D.C

https://twitter.com/MermanEthal/status/1344688965614497792

Read what I have highlighted in bold below because that is what we have here. There are two sets of electors sent by State authorities that met the safe harbor deadline. Both the House and Senate have to agree to count one set or none gets counted. If you guys truly believe Biden will be President, Trump should be packing his bags. He's not.

Multiple returns
Origins
Congress was confronted with the problem of multiple returns in the 1876 United States presidential election: from each of four states, two sets of returns were transmitted to Washington, D.C.

Louisiana and South Carolina initially reported returns favoring the Democrat (Tilden), but results were marked by electoral fraud and threats of violence against Republican voters, including an impossible 101 percent turnout in South Carolina. Republican canvassing boards rejected some Democratic votes and certified the election of Republican governors and presidential electors. In response, Democrats established rival state governments under the leadership of their gubernatorial candidates, who then certified Democratic electors.

In Florida, the Republican returning board certified Hayes and the Republican gubernatorial candidate as winners, but the Florida Supreme Court overruled them, and awarded the governorship to the Democrat who then announced that Tilden had carried Florida.

In Oregon, all sides agreed that Hayes had won the state, but the Democratic governor determined that one elector (John W. Watts) was ineligible and replaced him with a Democrat (C.A. Cronin). In Florida, Louisiana, and South Carolina, both slates of electors assembled and cast conflicting votes, while in Oregon both Watts and Cronin cast ballots.

Approach
In cases where multiple returns have been submitted from a state, Section 4 (3 U.S.C. § 15) seeks "[to direct] Congress away from an open ended search for the proper return, and towards the simpler issues of identifying the state's final determination authority and whether that institution had reached its decision according to the terms and conditions of [3 U.S.C. § 5]."[10]:627 It seeks to "reduce to a minimum the cases where any difference can properly arise."[44]:1020 In one sentence of 275 words, the law appears to envision three different scenarios:

First, if more than one return, or paper purporting to be a return, from a state is received by the president of the Senate, then the only votes to be counted are those that have been "regularly given" by those electors (or their validly-appointed successors) who are shown by the "determination" mentioned in 3 U.S.C. § 5 ("safe harbor") to have been appointed, assuming the determination has been made.[35] That is, if there are multiple returns yet only one is compliant with the safe harbor, then the safe harbor return must be counted as the true return, assuming the votes have been "regularly given" by the electors.

Second, in case the question arises "which of two or more ... State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in [3 U.S.C. § 5], is the lawful tribunal of such State," then votes "regularly given" will only be counted from electors that the two houses, acting separately, concurrently decide is supported by "the decision of such State so authorized by its law."[35] That is, if two or more returns from a state can claim the safe harbor, then neither will be counted unless both houses agree to count one of them as the true return supported by state law. This appears to be Congress' response to the problem of dueling state governments that arose during the election of 1876.

Third, if there has been "no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid," votes will only be counted that the two houses concurrently decide were cast by "lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State," unless the two Houses, acting separately, concurrently decide "such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State."[35] Here, there are multiple returns yet none can claim the safe harbor. Read in isolation, it would mean that one return can be counted as the true return if both houses agree it complies with state law, unless both houses further agree the votes themselves were not "regularly given" by the electors.
However, this critical sentence then follows: "But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then ... the votes of the electors whose appointment has been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted."[35]
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on December 31, 2020, 09:27:43 PM
Read what I have highlighted in bold below because that is what we have here. There are two sets of electors sent by State authorities that met the safe harbor deadline. Both the House and Senate have to agree to count one set or none gets counted. If you guys truly believe Biden will be President, Trump should be packing his bags. He's not.

No, there is one set of electors sent by state authorities. The ones who voted on Dec. 14th.

Quote
State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in [3 U.S.C. § 5], is the lawful tribunal of such State,"

And each state has determined which electors have been appointed.

Miller indicated that Trump supporters will act as "alternates" in a handful of contested states, including Georgia, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, to submit their own, unofficial results. Should the Trump campaign succeed in overturning the outcome in any of those states, Miller said, the alternate electors could then be recognized by Congress.

Nothing in the Constitution or state electoral processes allows for such an "alternate" slate of electors.


https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/530092-stephen-miller-alternate-electors-will-keep-trump-challenge-alive-post
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on December 31, 2020, 11:44:21 PM

Nothing in the Constitution or state electoral processes allows for such an "alternate" slate of electors.[/i]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/530092-stephen-miller-alternate-electors-will-keep-trump-challenge-alive-post

Maybe you can rewrite the history books saying dueling electors can't happen and never did. As of now, history books say you're wrong.

Also if you still think the VP plays a ceremonial role in the count, this is what Biden said earlier this month.

Biden stated that in 2016 “I did my job” as the Vice President to certify the election for Trump, “Now it's time to turn the page as we've done throughout our history."
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 01, 2021, 12:51:39 AM

Nothing in the Constitution or state electoral processes allows for such an "alternate" slate of electors.[/i]

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/530092-stephen-miller-alternate-electors-will-keep-trump-challenge-alive-post

Maybe you can rewrite the history books saying dueling electors can't happen and never did. As of now, history books say you're wrong.

Also if you still think the VP plays a ceremonial role in the count, this is what Biden said earlier this month.

Biden stated that in 2016 “I did my job” as the Vice President to certify the election for Trump, “Now it's time to turn the page as we've done throughout our history."

No, the vice president doesn't have to certify the election for the next president to take office, he can't stop the process. The part of what I cited about alternate slates of electors is spot on, "alternate" slates of electors have no power or authority or say in the outcome whatsoever. Alternate sets of electors are not the same as dueling sets of electors.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 01, 2021, 01:21:46 AM
 
Did you watch the Georgia hearing the other day? They hacked into the Dominion machines sending and receiving data. It's against State election rules to have voting machines online. The CEO of Dominion lied when he said the machine don't go online.

Now that we got facts, it puts pressure on all States that use Dominion voting machines to decertify their elections and Biden electors. They can't certify an election if it fails to abide by their own election laws. Individuals and groups that did the certification can be held criminally responsible for knowingly certifying a fraudulent election. A panel of Republican and Democrat politicians from Georgia unanimously called for a signature audit in the county that is accused of massive fraud. Before the audit has begun, the election officials there are shredding ballots. Georgia may be the first state to flip their electors from Biden to Trump. The fraud exists. There's a reason for the massive resistance to transparency. The voting machines go online and receive and send data. Are you still a denier? Even if you get your wish Biden is announced the winner Jan 6th, Trump isn't going to hand over the government to corrupt people. It would be irresponsible for him to allow our country to be run by criminals. He has a Constitutional duty to defend our country from enemies foreign and domestic.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 01, 2021, 02:57:13 AM

Did you watch the Georgia hearing the other day? They hacked into the Dominion machines sending and receiving data. It's against State election rules to have voting machines online. The CEO of Dominion lied when he said the machine don't go online.

Now that we got facts, it puts pressure on all States that use Dominion voting machines to decertify their elections and Biden electors. They can't certify an election if it fails to abide by their own election laws. Individuals and groups that did the certification can be held criminally responsible for knowingly certifying a fraudulent election. A panel of Republican and Democrat politicians from Georgia unanimously called for a signature audit in the county that is accused of massive fraud. Before the audit has begun, the election officials there are shredding ballots. Georgia may be the first state to flip their electors from Biden to Trump. The fraud exists. There's a reason for the massive resistance to transparency. The voting machines go online and receive and send data. Are you still a denier? Even if you get your wish Biden is announced the winner Jan 6th, Trump isn't going to hand over the government to corrupt people. It would be irresponsible for him to allow our country to be run by criminals. He has a Constitutional duty to defend our country from enemies foreign and domestic.

The hearing simply had a man (a man who previously appeared on infowars) who said the machines had been hacked into. There's no evidence of a hack and no evidence anything happened on election day. Georgian voting machines passed a forensic audit, Georgia worked together with CISA, Georgia Security, and Georgia Tech to provide a safe election.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 01, 2021, 12:07:31 PM
The hearing simply had a man (a man who previously appeared on infowars) who said the machines had been hacked into. There's no evidence of a hack and no evidence anything happened on election day. Georgian voting machines passed a forensic audit, Georgia worked together with CISA, Georgia Security, and Georgia Tech to provide a safe election.


After 2+ years of your news sources duping you pertaining to Trump/Russia collusion, you should've switch source but apparently you didn't. Did you know the Sec of State of Georgia approved of two types of ballots for the election with slight differences? So when the machines read Republican leaning ballots with printing errors on them, it sends it for adjudication which means an election official can determine who the person voted for. Lots of stealing Trump votes and flipping them for Biden happened. After a lot of people go to jail, maybe you will switch news sources then? Maybe you will switch before then when you learn Trump is going to serve his second term.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 01, 2021, 01:08:14 PM
 
Look what Sec of State Pompeo posted on twitter a few minutes ago. Is this a sign CIA director Gina Haspel will do the right thing?

https://twitter.com/SecPompeo/status/1345097467965140993
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 01, 2021, 01:53:36 PM
The hearing simply had a man (a man who previously appeared on infowars) who said the machines had been hacked into. There's no evidence of a hack and no evidence anything happened on election day. Georgian voting machines passed a forensic audit, Georgia worked together with CISA, Georgia Security, and Georgia Tech to provide a safe election.


After 2+ years of your news sources duping you pertaining to Trump/Russia collusion, you should've switch source but apparently you didn't. Did you know the Sec of State of Georgia approved of two types of ballots for the election with slight differences? So when the machines read Republican leaning ballots with printing errors on them, it sends it for adjudication which means an election official can determine who the person voted for. Lots of stealing Trump votes and flipping them for Biden happened. After a lot of people go to jail, maybe you will switch news sources then? Maybe you will switch before then when you learn Trump is going to serve his second term.

I don't believe that for a second.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 01, 2021, 11:52:23 PM

Look what Sec of State Pompeo posted on twitter a few minutes ago. Is this a sign CIA director Gina Haspel will do the right thing?

https://twitter.com/SecPompeo/status/1345097467965140993

Yes!  I guessed she had turned into a Tainted Witness!

However, the Court does not look into this Election fraud even though Trump Team has submitted so much materials to them.

Trump and his supporters must use military to secure his sworn-in.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 02, 2021, 01:06:46 AM
WOW!!!

I just heard from a Chinese source that VP Pence would resign on Monday!
Pompeo or Flynn will replace him as Vice President of USA for the next 4 years!!!

Cheers!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 02, 2021, 10:27:01 AM
However, the Court does not look into this Election fraud even though Trump Team has submitted so much materials to them.


The Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches are suppose to check and balance each other. I don't blame the courts for not rushing in because there are options for the legislature to correct the situation. If that fails, the courts can step in, or......

Trump and his supporters must use military to secure his sworn-in.


The executive branch can step in. Bottom line is our politicians took an oath to defend America from enemies foreign and domestic and we have both here with the cheating in our elections. Everything the Democrats accused Trump of doing, they have done.

WOW!!!

I just heard from a Chinese source that VP Pence would resign on Monday!
Pompeo or Flynn will replace him as Vice President of USA for the next 4 years!!!

Cheers!!!

I seriously doubt that would happen. Pence has been loyal to Trump at all times. There's so much misinformation thrown out there to confuse the Democrats, don't be a victim of that misinformation. Pence has done nothing the last 4 years to show he's deep state as some people accuse him of being. Also, if Pence resigns, Trump could not appoint a VP without a majority vote of approval from both Houses and that is impossible at this time.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 02, 2021, 09:21:29 PM

For the 6th year in a row, Donald Trump wins the most dangerous man on the internet award. Russian, North Korean, Iranian and Chinese hackers need to step up their game if they want the award next year. According to the judges, Trump is the biggest cyberbully and biggest source of misinformation in the world.

https://www.wired.com/story/2020-most-dangerous-people-internet/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 03, 2021, 08:06:14 PM
Trump pressures Ga, Sec. of State to "find" votes.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 03, 2021, 08:31:55 PM

Lol, WA Post splicing the recording and taking sentences out of context. They release 4 1/2 minutes of a 60 minute phone call. Trump may release the full recording to embarrass them. Goes to show you 'Republican' Sec of State was always on the left since he secretly recorded Trump and released the recording to the liberal press in no time. Trump knows he's being recorded 24/7 anyway. Trump warned him of crimes certifying a fraudulent election. Trump isn't the one going to jail.

Here's how Sec of State of GA helped rig an election and gave hackers easy access to Dominion machines. The State and Dominion's contract is in the link below. The guy is finished politically and he may be sitting behind bars for a long time when this is over. He should've shown some cooperation in the investigation but instead, he's resisted every effort for transparency of the election he conducted.

https://creativedestructionmedia.com/investigations/2021/01/03/gas-sos-raffensperger-gave-hackers-roadmap-to-infiltrate-machines-a-year-before-election/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 03, 2021, 09:00:17 PM

Lol, WA Post splicing the recording and taking sentences out of context. They release 4 1/2 minutes of a 60 minute phone call. Trump may release the full recording to embarrass them. Goes to show you 'Republican' Sec of State was always on the left since he secretly recorded Trump and released the recording to the liberal press in no time. Trump knows he's being recorded 24/7 anyway. Trump warned him of crimes certifying a fraudulent election. Trump isn't the one going to jail.

Here's how Sec of State of GA helped rig an election and gave hackers easy access to Dominion machines. The State and Dominion's contract is in the link below. The guy is finished politically and he may be sitting behind bars for a long time when this is over. He should've shown some cooperation in the investigation but instead, he's resisted every effort for transparency of the election he conducted.

https://creativedestructionmedia.com/investigations/2021/01/03/gas-sos-raffensperger-gave-hackers-roadmap-to-infiltrate-machines-a-year-before-election/


Trump may have committed extortion and election fraud.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 03, 2021, 09:42:20 PM
Trump may have committed extortion and election fraud.


I listened to the first minute and there's a slug of people being introduced including attorneys on both sides. At what point of this conference call do you feel Trump tried to extort and commit election fraud? Asking to investigate fraud and doing the right thing is not a crime.

If you can't find anybody to hold a $1000 for us, let me know if you want to bet $100 using the honor system. Bet now, pay later. There's no way in hell Trump is going to turn over the keys of America to Biden.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 03, 2021, 10:49:40 PM

Turns out the phone calls were to settle litigation and was confidential under State and Federal law. Due to the leaks, the Sec of State of Georgia is getting a State and Federal lawsuit slapped on him. Was this all worth it? It would've been so much easier to turn over the machines and paper ballots over a month ago for inspection. So much resistance to transparency, it's clear they are hiding something and stupid Sec of State of Georgia thinks the liberal media will help him out. He risks prison time for certifying a fraudulent election.
 
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/president-trump-files-two-lawsuits-dirty-georgia-secretary-state-raffensperger-leaking-confidential-litigation-call/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 04, 2021, 03:36:12 PM
Trump may have committed extortion and election fraud.


I listened to the first minute and there's a slug of people being introduced including attorneys on both sides. At what point of this conference call do you feel Trump tried to extort and commit election fraud? Asking to investigate fraud and doing the right thing is not a crime.

If you can't find anybody to hold a $1000 for us, let me know if you want to bet $100 using the honor system. Bet now, pay later. There's no way in hell Trump is going to turn over the keys of America to Biden.

I'll do a bet for $250. Trump doesn't have control of the "keys". If he's not out of the WH by noon Jan. 20th voluntarily, the Secret Service will escort him out.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 04, 2021, 10:03:29 PM
I'll do a bet for $250.


Since you can't find anybody to hold the money since nobody likes money these days, I'll to a gentlemen's agreement for $250. The bet ends when it's determined the winner of the Presidency even if we have to wait past Jan 20. Let's hope war doesn't have to determine the winner because it could take years to settle it.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 04, 2021, 10:24:46 PM
I'll do a bet for $250.


Since you can't find anybody to hold the money since nobody likes money these days, I'll to a gentlemen's agreement for $250. The bet ends when it's determined the winner of the Presidency even if we have to wait past Jan 20. Let's hope war doesn't have to determine the winner because it could take years to settle it.

It's a bet.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on January 04, 2021, 10:34:44 PM
On January 20 Trump will leave the white house and be flown to where he wants like all the other previous presidents. There is not going to be any war. The only thing done by all the legal fighting is cause the Republicans to lose control of the senate. After likely losing the two   senate seats that the republicans were way ahead in tomorrow in Georgia Trumps life in the white house would not be so good if he stayed. Trumps popularity has dropped since the election and he would get impeach in thirty days if he is still there.

All of this is just a big show to make the case the democrats stole the election to get more people fired up in two years and vote republican and in four years put a republican back in the white house. In politics everything is a dog and pony show.     
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 04, 2021, 10:46:44 PM

Turns out the phone calls were to settle litigation and was confidential under State and Federal law. Due to the leaks, the Sec of State of Georgia is getting a State and Federal lawsuit slapped on him. Was this all worth it? It would've been so much easier to turn over the machines and paper ballots over a month ago for inspection. So much resistance to transparency, it's clear they are hiding something and stupid Sec of State of Georgia thinks the liberal media will help him out. He risks prison time for certifying a fraudulent election.
 
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/president-trump-files-two-lawsuits-dirty-georgia-secretary-state-raffensperger-leaking-confidential-litigation-call/

Trump tweet -

“I spoke to Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger yesterday about Fulton County and voter fraud in Georgia. He was unwilling, or unable, to answer questions such as the 'ballots under table' scam, ballot destruction, out of state 'voters,' dead voters, and more. He has no clue!”

Raffensperger reply -

“It was a private conversation as far as I was concerned, and he broke privacy when he put out a tweet. But then his tweet was false,”

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/532589-raffensperger-if-youre-going-to-put-out-stuff-that-we-dont-believe-is-true
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 04, 2021, 11:00:03 PM
The only thing done by all the legal fighting is cause the Republicans to lose control of the senate. After likely losing the two   senate seats that the republicans were way ahead in tomorrow in Georgia Trumps life in the white house would not be so good if he stayed.


Because all eyes will be on election counting, cheating will almost be non existent in Georgia which means the two Republicans will win easily. Actually they won on Nov 3rd easily but the cheating allowed the two Democrats to keep it close forcing two runoff elections.


All of this is just a big show to make the case the democrats stole the election to get more people fired up in two years and vote republican and in four years put a republican back in the white house. In politics everything is a dog and pony show.     


Trump is not a politician. I don't know what news you read but the media has kept America in the dark about the massive fraud from enemies foreign and domestic. We came close to losing our country to bad actors who'd rig elections from here on out. America's election 2020 was no better than the elections we see in the likes of Venezuela. America was about to be taken over led by enemies from within. It's a shame people don't know how serious it is but the good guys will win just like they did in the Civil War.



Turns out the phone calls were to settle litigation and was confidential under State and Federal law. Due to the leaks, the Sec of State of Georgia is getting a State and Federal lawsuit slapped on him. Was this all worth it? It would've been so much easier to turn over the machines and paper ballots over a month ago for inspection. So much resistance to transparency, it's clear they are hiding something and stupid Sec of State of Georgia thinks the liberal media will help him out. He risks prison time for certifying a fraudulent election.
 
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/president-trump-files-two-lawsuits-dirty-georgia-secretary-state-raffensperger-leaking-confidential-litigation-call/

Trump tweet -

“I spoke to Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger yesterday about Fulton County and voter fraud in Georgia. He was unwilling, or unable, to answer questions such as the 'ballots under table' scam, ballot destruction, out of state 'voters,' dead voters, and more. He has no clue!”

Raffensperger reply -

“It was a private conversation as far as I was concerned, and he broke privacy when he put out a tweet. But then his tweet was false,”

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/532589-raffensperger-if-youre-going-to-put-out-stuff-that-we-dont-believe-is-true

Brad can tweet about the call in response to Trump's tweet if he wanted to. Recording the President without his permission and releasing it to the public can be considered espionage. Guys like Edward Snowden and Julian Assange got charged with espionage for leaking info.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 04, 2021, 11:34:14 PM
The only thing done by all the legal fighting is cause the Republicans to lose control of the senate. After likely losing the two   senate seats that the republicans were way ahead in tomorrow in Georgia Trumps life in the white house would not be so good if he stayed.


Because all eyes will be on election counting, cheating will almost be non existent in Georgia which means the two Republicans will win easily. Actually they won on Nov 3rd easily but the cheating allowed the two Democrats to keep it close forcing two runoff elections.


All of this is just a big show to make the case the democrats stole the election to get more people fired up in two years and vote republican and in four years put a republican back in the white house. In politics everything is a dog and pony show.     


Trump is not a politician. I don't know what news you read but the media has kept America in the dark about the massive fraud from enemies foreign and domestic. We came close to losing our country to bad actors who'd rig elections from here on out. America's election 2020 was no better than the elections we see in the likes of Venezuela. America was about to be taken over led by enemies from within. It's a shame people don't know how serious it is but the good guys will win just like they did in the Civil War.



Turns out the phone calls were to settle litigation and was confidential under State and Federal law. Due to the leaks, the Sec of State of Georgia is getting a State and Federal lawsuit slapped on him. Was this all worth it? It would've been so much easier to turn over the machines and paper ballots over a month ago for inspection. So much resistance to transparency, it's clear they are hiding something and stupid Sec of State of Georgia thinks the liberal media will help him out. He risks prison time for certifying a fraudulent election.
 
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/president-trump-files-two-lawsuits-dirty-georgia-secretary-state-raffensperger-leaking-confidential-litigation-call/

Trump tweet -

“I spoke to Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger yesterday about Fulton County and voter fraud in Georgia. He was unwilling, or unable, to answer questions such as the 'ballots under table' scam, ballot destruction, out of state 'voters,' dead voters, and more. He has no clue!”

Raffensperger reply -

“It was a private conversation as far as I was concerned, and he broke privacy when he put out a tweet. But then his tweet was false,”

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/532589-raffensperger-if-youre-going-to-put-out-stuff-that-we-dont-believe-is-true

Brad can tweet about the call in response to Trump's tweet if he wanted to. Recording the President without his permission and releasing it to the public can be considered espionage. Guys like Edward Snowden and Julian Assange got charged with espionage for leaking info.

There was no confidentiality agreement. Trump outright lied, as always, so Raffensperger released the call so everyone would know the truth. It's not against the law to record a call with the president.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 04, 2021, 11:44:10 PM
It's not against the law to record a call with the president.


Guess the two lawsuits Brad got slapped on him will figure it out.

https://www.mwl-law.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/RECORDING-CONVERSATIONS-CHART.pdf


Today Trump gave a speech and said watch what happens over the next two weeks. Watch what comes out. Watch what is going to get revealed.

https://twitter.com/J24995229/status/1346318728263315461
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 05, 2021, 12:44:25 AM
It's not against the law to record a call with the president.


Guess the two lawsuits Brad got slapped on him will figure it out.

https://www.mwl-law.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/RECORDING-CONVERSATIONS-CHART.pdf


Today Trump gave a speech and said watch what happens over the next two weeks. Watch what comes out. Watch what is going to get revealed.

https://twitter.com/J24995229/status/1346318728263315461

One-Party Consent

If the consent of one party is required, you can record a conversation if you’re a party to the conversation. If you’re not a party to the
conversation, you can record a conversation or phone call provided one party consents to it after having full knowledge and notice that the
conversation will be recorded. Under Federal law, 18 U.S.C. § 2511(2)(d) requires only that one party give consent. In addition to this Federal
statute, thirty-eight (38) states and the District of Columbia have adopted a “one-party” consent requirement. Nevada has a one-party
consent law, but Nevada’s Supreme Court has interpreted it as an all-party consent law.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 05, 2021, 12:15:24 PM
I guess some members on this forum are travelling to Washington!

Even though most members here are not young men, they still want to keep USA a country of Law & Order for their children and grand children to live happily.

Best Wishes!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 05, 2021, 12:36:06 PM
Another upright American witness
Debbie Fisher, Georgia State

31 Dec 2020
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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 05, 2021, 04:48:20 PM
On January 20 Trump will leave the white house and be flown to where he wants like all the other previous presidents. There is not going to be any war. The only thing done by all the legal fighting is cause the Republicans to lose control of the senate. After likely losing the two   senate seats that the republicans were way ahead in tomorrow in Georgia Trumps life in the white house would not be so good if he stayed. Trumps popularity has dropped since the election and he would get impeach in thirty days if he is still there.

All of this is just a big show to make the case the democrats stole the election to get more people fired up in two years and vote republican and in four years put a republican back in the white house. In politics everything is a dog and pony show.   

Tex, Thank You!

So far I have not seen any definitive proof of fraud. Nor has any court. This is sounding like Democratic snowflakes complaining that Trump/Russia stole the election four years ago.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 05, 2021, 08:58:31 PM
So far I have not seen any definitive proof of fraud. Nor has any court.


No court has agreed to hear the evidence. No court has dismissed a case based on merits. All the court case rulings are online and if you can find me one where a judge looked at the evidence and said "Nothing to see here", please post it. You don't have to wait for the media to report it and you don't have to believe the media that courts rejected the evidence because they haven't. We have been conditioned to believe if it's not reported by the media, it doesn't exist. I agree most people in the world think like you and Tex on this issue. The media IS a powerful tool in manipulating minds.

Trump is probably ahead of us but it's been leaked that the data sent to the Frankfurt servers then got sent to Rome. Italy is now involved. In 2017, Obama secured 400 million to fund the steal of this election. Some CIA, MI-6, and former Italian politicians. After we clean up our mess, you guys in Europe better take a look at your elections. Liberals are the same everywhere.

https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1345421605153943552


Former high level CIA officer said Obama changed the CIA with ex Director Brennen. They started to spy on Americans and got into politics.

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/04/i-spent-decades-as-a-covert-cia-operative-this-is-my-new-mission/


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 05, 2021, 10:13:15 PM
So far I have not seen any definitive proof of fraud. Nor has any court.


No court has agreed to hear the evidence. No court has dismissed a case based on merits. All the court case rulings are online and if you can find me one where a judge looked at the evidence and said "Nothing to see here", please post it. You don't have to wait for the media to report it and you don't have to believe the media that courts rejected the evidence because they haven't. We have been conditioned to believe if it's not reported by the media, it doesn't exist. I agree most people in the world think like you and Tex on this issue. The media IS a powerful tool in manipulating minds.

Trump is probably ahead of us but it's been leaked that the data sent to the Frankfurt servers then got sent to Rome. Italy is now involved. In 2017, Obama secured 400 million to fund the steal of this election. Some CIA, MI-6, and former Italian politicians. After we clean up our mess, you guys in Europe better take a look at your elections. Liberals are the same everywhere.

https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1345421605153943552


Former high level CIA officer said Obama changed the CIA with ex Director Brennen. They started to spy on Americans and got into politics.

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/04/i-spent-decades-as-a-covert-cia-operative-this-is-my-new-mission/

"This court allowed the plaintiff the chance to make his case and he has lost on the merits. In his reply brief, plaintiff 'asks that the Rule of Law be followed.' It has been."

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/12/trump-wisconsin-lawsuit-dismissed-federal-judge/3894689001/

“Instead, this Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by the evidence,” Brann fumed.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/21/trump-loses-l.html

The court ruled that Trump’s challenge to voters who were indefinitely confined was without merit and that the other claims came too late.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/wisconsin-supreme-court-rejects-trump-election-lawsuit

A federal appeals court in Pennsylvania has delivered a strongly worded repudiation of Donald Trump’s latest attempt to overturn his presidential election defeat, dismissing his challenge to the state’s results as without merit, and backing a district judge who likened the president’s evidence-free and error-strewn lawsuit to “Frankenstein’s monster”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/27/trump-voter-fraud-lawsuit-rejected-pennsylvania-court
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 05, 2021, 11:32:38 PM
In the link below is a conversation with the woman putting out the Italian evidence. She can't tell all yet but she is working with Italian reporters and more will come out. She gave affidavits containing confessions of those involved. She gave Trump some evidence Christmas eve and had multiple meetings with his attorneys. An Italian judge filed for an investigation. Obama is the center of the investigation because he diverted 400 million headed to Iran for the use of paying off players involved in this massive election steal. The Italian government is in panic. They fired a lot of people in their cyber command. Italian intelligence services supplied photos, phone calls, and other evidence.

https://vocaroo.com/1e976QE4oDoy



"This court allowed the plaintiff the chance to make his case and he has lost on the merits. In his reply brief, plaintiff 'asks that the Rule of Law be followed.' It has been."

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/12/trump-wisconsin-lawsuit-dismissed-federal-judge/3894689001/


Trump vs Wisconsin Elections Commission didn't talk about fraud. Trump took them to court saying the way they ran the election violated the Constitution.



“Instead, this Court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by the evidence,” Brann fumed.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/21/trump-loses-l.html


Trump vs Kelly Brookvar  is another case Trump is suing the way Pennsylvania conducted it's elections saying equal protection was violated. Not anything to do with fraud


The court ruled that Trump’s challenge to voters who were indefinitely confined was without merit and that the other claims came too late.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/wisconsin-supreme-court-rejects-trump-election-lawsuit


Trump challenging Wisconsin on the way they handled their elections. Cases not alleging fraud.



A federal appeals court in Pennsylvania has delivered a strongly worded repudiation of Donald Trump’s latest attempt to overturn his presidential election defeat, dismissing his challenge to the state’s results as without merit, and backing a district judge who likened the president’s evidence-free and error-strewn lawsuit to “Frankenstein’s monster”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/27/trump-voter-fraud-lawsuit-rejected-pennsylvania-court

You've already posted this in the CNBC link. Don't find me articles. Find me court filings involving evidence of fraud a judge concludes after reviewing the evidence, dismisses it on merits. Out of over 50 cases, it hasn't happened. Cases get dismissed over some other technicality.




Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 06, 2021, 12:20:31 AM

I was wrong about the Georgia elections. The fraud continues. Here's ABC News reporting and watch as the Republican vote count goes down. The Republican candidate loses 32,000 votes in a matter of seconds

https://twitter.com/tom2badcat/status/1346709749115592706


Here's Fox News with vote numbers going all over the place.

https://mobile.twitter.com/mrhodes9/status/1346643751293366274


I guess these people believe if the media ignored the fraud during the Presidential election, they'll ignore the fraud again and nobody will get in trouble. I'm sure Trump has people watching closely on how the machines are manipulated today. There's probably going to be arrests soon.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 06, 2021, 01:16:32 AM

CNN showing Republican candidate losing votes.

https://mobile.twitter.com/esstormchase/status/1346675534579826694


Another ABC News video showing Republican candidate losing votes.

https://twitter.com/Antifearmnger/status/1346677102561652736
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 06, 2021, 01:52:58 AM
Upright Americans gathering in Washington and praying.
5th January 2021
Original English Conversation
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 06, 2021, 02:15:19 AM
(https://oathkeepers.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/zzzTrumpDCRally.jpg)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 06, 2021, 02:22:49 AM

CNN showing Republican candidate losing votes.

https://mobile.twitter.com/esstormchase/status/1346675534579826694


Another ABC News video showing Republican candidate losing votes.

https://twitter.com/Antifearmnger/status/1346677102561652736
Fart People covering their eyes say "Prove it.  I need physical hard evidence.  I can't see any evidence.  Measure the height, weight, volume and density of the evidences."  ;)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 06, 2021, 09:35:08 AM
Washington Rally - A Vietnamese American from Seattle said "We Love Trump. He places Americans first. We Love (British) Hong Kong.  She saved us from Communism when we were refugees."

English and Cantonese dual languages.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 06, 2021, 09:47:09 AM
Utah American - She was brought up behind Iron Curtain; and her father was a CIA undercover fighting against Communists.  She could not believe she has to fight against Communist from within USA NOW!

English and Cantonese dual languages.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 06, 2021, 09:50:27 AM
Mr. Laquiere and his family from Detroit - the first time ever in Washington in their lives - to defend USA and Constitution

Original English Conversation
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 06, 2021, 09:29:23 PM
Three Ways that the US Media resembles the media of Communist China.

Quote

"When I was growing up in China, the communist state-run media were the only voices we were exposed to. We were told that only the CCP could take care of the people. Socialism was the only correct path for human life, and the only way to provide us with a happy life.

As I grew older, immigrated to America, and lived a different life in which I read more and traveled more, I started to understand that the communist media machine is like poison. It poisons minds and plagues society.

The communist media are not meant to inform. They are a machine the communists created to lie. It is made to hide the truth and to use lies to control the people. It is not meant for small lies, but to systematically lead the entire society to believe in its lies.

By pushing a theory, a narrative, an ideology that is against human nature, against human tradition, and against our cultural heritage, they can brainwash the entire country to such an extent that there is no longer any standard of right and wrong. They actually set up the opposite standard: Evil is treated as right, and good as wrong."


https://m.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/three-ways-americas-mainstream-media-resemble-communist-media_3599102.html?v=ul
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 06, 2021, 09:45:10 PM
Affidavit signed today. Will Trump be able to act on if fast enough. He has little support from Congress and courts. He needs the military.

https://twitter.com/MarineInTexas/status/1346998572076716035/photo/1


Liberals inflitrated the Trump rally to cause false flag, and the media blames Trump for inciting riots. Trump gave a speech to ask people to stop the violence and peacefully go home. He says we need peace. Twitter took it down saying it violated it's terms of service and suspended Trump from tweeting. Facebook also followed with temp ban. The speech goes against their narrative that he is inciting violence. Here are photos taken of people at Antifa and BLM gatherings that have shown up in Congress causing havoc to get the world to believe Trump supporters are violent. Also, one woman was behind a locked door and was shot dead by police. She wasn't a threat or anyway near the police.

One guy in the photo below has a tattoo of the USSR hammer and sickle.

https://twitter.com/replouiegohmert/status/1346934205377343491/photo/1

https://twitter.com/ZalosnyGameplay/status/1346938060555083778/photo/1

https://twitter.com/Whisper61763243/status/1346938361794146308

https://gab.com/jhomes55/posts/105510830744141894

https://gab.com/StormIsUponUs/posts/105510932680448379

https://twitter.com/SidneyPowell1/status/1347023681730576386/photo/1


Look at all the acting by the cop in this video. Not enough security and the doors weren't closed. Basically they let Trump supporters in and reported they stormed in.

https://twitter.com/AndrewNeumann12/status/1346969772093812737


BLM fist pump in. He forgot he was supposed to act like a Trump supporter

https://twitter.com/TGinja8/status/1346913123727364099/photo/1


Here's the initial breach. Pretty weak stuff. Guy turns MAGA hat backwards which is a signal he's Antifa.

https://therightscoop.com/heres-the-moment-the-breach-of-the-us-capitol-began-video/

https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1346954650797355009

https://twitter.com/SiIasSavant/status/1346918693234683905


Here's the video that got Trump suspended on social media.

https://twitter.com/tom2badcat/status/1347015353390522368


Media around the world is probably blaming it on Trump supporters and aren't telling you Leftist thugs promoted chaos.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 06, 2021, 09:57:45 PM

By pushing a theory, a narrative, an ideology that is against human nature, against human tradition, and against our cultural heritage, they can brainwash the entire country to such an extent that there is no longer any standard of right and wrong. They actually set up the opposite standard: Evil is treated as right, and good as wrong."

https://m.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/three-ways-americas-mainstream-media-resemble-communist-media_3599102.html?v=ul

The story is interesting, but I bolded the part that I believe is essential. Does the United States have any more standards?

My own feeling the concept of standards for politicians what ever flavor they are is lower than a group of pimps.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 06, 2021, 10:08:57 PM
Does the United States have any more standards?


I believe most Americans want good government, security, peace, and a good life for their families. I am shocked at the amount of judges, politicians, and media that only care about their own self interests. They always existed but it was just revealed how much of them are out there and currently it may be too much for Trump to overcome. There's always evil trying to overtake good, even in America. I hope America pulls through this otherwise it's going to become a very dangerous world.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 06, 2021, 11:38:22 PM
Affidavit signed today. Will Trump be able to act on if fast enough. He has little support from Congress and courts. He needs the military.

https://twitter.com/MarineInTexas/status/1346998572076716035/photo/1


Liberals inflitrated the Trump rally to cause false flag, and the media blames Trump for inciting riots. Trump gave a speech to ask people to stop the violence and peacefully go home. He says we need peace. Twitter took it down saying it violated it's terms of service and suspended Trump from tweeting. Facebook also followed with temp ban. The speech goes against their narrative that he is inciting violence. Here are photos taken of people at Antifa and BLM gatherings that have shown up in Congress causing havoc to get the world to believe Trump supporters are violent. Also, one woman was behind a locked door and was shot dead by police. She wasn't a threat or anyway near the police.

One guy in the photo below has a tattoo of the USSR hammer and sickle.

https://twitter.com/replouiegohmert/status/1346934205377343491/photo/1

https://twitter.com/ZalosnyGameplay/status/1346938060555083778/photo/1

https://twitter.com/Whisper61763243/status/1346938361794146308

https://gab.com/jhomes55/posts/105510830744141894

https://gab.com/StormIsUponUs/posts/105510932680448379

https://twitter.com/SidneyPowell1/status/1347023681730576386/photo/1


Look at all the acting by the cop in this video. Not enough security and the doors weren't closed. Basically they let Trump supporters in and reported they stormed in.

https://twitter.com/AndrewNeumann12/status/1346969772093812737


BLM fist pump in. He forgot he was supposed to act like a Trump supporter

https://twitter.com/TGinja8/status/1346913123727364099/photo/1


Here's the initial breach. Pretty weak stuff. Guy turns MAGA hat backwards which is a signal he's Antifa.

https://therightscoop.com/heres-the-moment-the-breach-of-the-us-capitol-began-video/

https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1346954650797355009

https://twitter.com/SiIasSavant/status/1346918693234683905


Here's the video that got Trump suspended on social media.

https://twitter.com/tom2badcat/status/1347015353390522368


Media around the world is probably blaming it on Trump supporters and aren't telling you Leftist thugs promoted chaos.

 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Yeah, the left caused all the damage today.

 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

You are reaching new heights of gullibility.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 07, 2021, 12:01:34 AM
Here's a video of Washington D.C. cops opening the gates allowing the protestors in. It's almost as if the Democrats ordered this to happen in an attempt to turn a Trump rally into a shit show to make Trump look bad. Anyway, Trump left D.C today on Air Force One and is now at the National Defense Command Center in Texas. Lets see who is in control of the military, Trump or Congress.


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 07, 2021, 12:47:12 AM
Trump tweet -

 "These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!"

He's not one bit upset about what happened.

When a federal court tossed U.S. Rep. Louie Gohmert’s far-fetched lawsuit asking Vice President Mike Pence to challenge Joe Biden’s legitimacy as president-elect, the Texas Republican appeared to propose violence in response.

“Basically, in effect, the ruling would be that you got to go to the streets and be as violent as Antifa and [Black Lives Matter],” he told Newsmax, a hyperpartisan, pro-Donald Trump media company, last Friday.


https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01/06/capitol-storm-texas-republicans-congress/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 07, 2021, 02:01:34 AM
Trump tweet -

 "These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!"

He's not one bit upset about what happened.

When a federal court tossed U.S. Rep. Louie Gohmert’s far-fetched lawsuit asking Vice President Mike Pence to challenge Joe Biden’s legitimacy as president-elect, the Texas Republican appeared to propose violence in response.

“Basically, in effect, the ruling would be that you got to go to the streets and be as violent as Antifa and [Black Lives Matter],” he told Newsmax, a hyperpartisan, pro-Donald Trump media company, last Friday.


https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01/06/capitol-storm-texas-republicans-congress/

Yeah sure bud. You weren't too concerned when Antifa and company were Burning Looting and even Murdering people over the summer.

Newsmax "hyperpartisan and pro Trump"? As opposed to the legacy media which covered for a corrupt creep who fondled women and children on national media for years? A media which refused to cover the story that his son Hunter was a crook and drug addict on the take with both China and Ukraine?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 07, 2021, 02:06:28 AM
Affidavit signed today. Will Trump be able to act on if fast enough. He has little support from Congress and courts. He needs the military.

https://twitter.com/MarineInTexas/status/1346998572076716035/photo/1


Liberals inflitrated the Trump rally to cause false flag, and the media blames Trump for inciting riots. Trump gave a speech to ask people to stop the violence and peacefully go home. He says we need peace. Twitter took it down saying it violated it's terms of service and suspended Trump from tweeting. Facebook also followed with temp ban. The speech goes against their narrative that he is inciting violence. Here are photos taken of people at Antifa and BLM gatherings that have shown up in Congress causing havoc to get the world to believe Trump supporters are violent. Also, one woman was behind a locked door and was shot dead by police. She wasn't a threat or anyway near the police.

One guy in the photo below has a tattoo of the USSR hammer and sickle.

https://twitter.com/replouiegohmert/status/1346934205377343491/photo/1

https://twitter.com/ZalosnyGameplay/status/1346938060555083778/photo/1

https://twitter.com/Whisper61763243/status/1346938361794146308

https://gab.com/jhomes55/posts/105510830744141894

https://gab.com/StormIsUponUs/posts/105510932680448379

https://twitter.com/SidneyPowell1/status/1347023681730576386/photo/1


Look at all the acting by the cop in this video. Not enough security and the doors weren't closed. Basically they let Trump supporters in and reported they stormed in.

https://twitter.com/AndrewNeumann12/status/1346969772093812737


BLM fist pump in. He forgot he was supposed to act like a Trump supporter

https://twitter.com/TGinja8/status/1346913123727364099/photo/1


Here's the initial breach. Pretty weak stuff. Guy turns MAGA hat backwards which is a signal he's Antifa.

https://therightscoop.com/heres-the-moment-the-breach-of-the-us-capitol-began-video/

https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1346954650797355009

https://twitter.com/SiIasSavant/status/1346918693234683905


Here's the video that got Trump suspended on social media.

https://twitter.com/tom2badcat/status/1347015353390522368


Media around the world is probably blaming it on Trump supporters and aren't telling you Leftist thugs promoted chaos.

Good research Billy. The guy with his hat on backwards? That whole scene looked completely staged to me. We'll never really know for sure, except that we do know Antifa is very well funded and that the media and CIA have been intimately involved in the theft of the US election and in engineering both CV19 and the riots as a method to steal the election.

Vote by mail? Even Democrat Jimmy Carter stated it was a way to commit massive fraud. Now with the computers and crooks in Philadelphia? The could have elected a wind up monkey. It wouldn't matter to them.

The name of the woman murdered in cold blood is

Ashley Babbitt.
A 14 year Air Force Veteran
Say her name.
Media Silence is Violence.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 07, 2021, 03:43:36 AM
My impression is-
Trump does not want to use military to stop election crime.  It encourages those illegal deep state to keep their criminal operation.

He also hoped that Pence would take the burden for him.  From Pence's viewpoint, Trump is the elected President, Chief Commander who should be the one taking the burden.  I personally does not blame Pence.  He may be a good government executive officer.

Remember this point - illegal Deep State and ChiNazi do not obey Law & Order.  Trump Team confine themselves to obey Law & Order (Jenna Ellis, Giuliani, etc).  Without military, illegal deep state wins illegally.  With the help of military, Trump still have a chance to win legally.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 07, 2021, 07:06:11 AM
Here's the woman, Air Force veteran, that got shot by the cop. She behind a door and windows. He wasn't being threatened and he didn't fire a warning shot. He went for the kill. Notice on this first video at the 5 sec mark, a bunch of cops are with the Trump supporters and no fighting going on. They really didn't do anything to get them to evacuate the building yet the media says the Trump supporters stormed the building. Graphic video

https://banned.video/watch?id=5ff63502f23a18318ceb28a7


Another angle. Notice D.C. cops with Trump supporters.

https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1347076676342185984


I think I posted this earlier but it seems this cop leads the protestors in the right direction. If they wanted to protect Congress, the police did a bad job or were told to allow the Trump supporters in. Belarus does a better job keeping protestors out.

https://twitter.com/35Leosa/status/1346977048456175620


He also hoped that Pence would take the burden for him.  From Pence's viewpoint, Trump is the elected President, Chief Commander who should be the one taking the burden.  I personally does not blame Pence.  He may be a good government executive officer.


The biggest election steal in history just took place by foreign and domestic actors. Most people aren't MAN enough to take it on. We'll see what Trump is made of. Will he allow our nation to be run by corrupt people who even stole the Jan 5th runoff election in front of our eyes? It not going to stop unless Trump stops it now. These people are bad for America and they will be bad for the world.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 07, 2021, 09:37:13 AM
He also hoped that Pence would take the burden for him.  From Pence's viewpoint, Trump is the elected President, Chief Commander who should be the one taking the burden.  I personally do not blame Pence.  He may be a good government executive officer.
The biggest election steal in history just took place by foreign and domestic actors. Most people aren't MAN enough to take it on. We'll see what Trump is made of. Will he allow our nation to be run by corrupt people who even stole the Jan 5th runoff election in front of our eyes? It not going to stop unless Trump stops it now. These people are bad for America and they will be bad for the world.
Deep State + ChiNazi is so powerful that Trump is the only Man on earth who is powerful enough to stop them!
Now I understand why China Biden is so confident about their illegal operation.  They are even holding dirty materials about Lolita Roberts's criminal conduct.

At this moment, do not push responsibility to one another.  Upright Americans must gather in Washington to petition, showing your strong will to President Trump to start a legal military action to resume Law & Order.  Several million+ Americans are a minimum.

My feeling is not very optimistic.  Trump may easily give up and turn to enjoying his multi-billion luxury life with his family.  His burden will then be left over to ordinary majority of Americans, and majority in other parts of the world.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 07, 2021, 10:31:41 AM
For all those who are under the impression that the president of the United States is about to mount some kind of military intervention to enable him to retain power here you go:

"Even though I totally disagree with the outcome of the election, and the facts bear me out, nevertheless there will be an orderly transition on January 20th," Trump said. "I have always said we would continue our fight to ensure that only legal votes were counted. While this represents the end of the greatest first term in presidential history, it’s only the beginning of our fight to Make America Great Again!"
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 07, 2021, 05:43:32 PM
For all those who are under the impression that the president of the United States is about to mount some kind of military intervention to enable him to retain power here you go:

"Even though I totally disagree with the outcome of the election, and the facts bear me out, nevertheless there will be an orderly transition on January 20th," Trump said. "I have always said we would continue our fight to ensure that only legal votes were counted. While this represents the end of the greatest first term in presidential history, it’s only the beginning of our fight to Make America Great Again!"

Nowhere in that statement did Trump concede. Although he admits this first term will end, he did not say who will be President after his first term. You see the statement as a glass half empty. I see it as a glass half full.  Trump flew to a very important military base. They conduct important things there like initiating launch codes for nukes and control the hotlines between the American President and other world leaders. It sounds to me like Trump is still at work instead of preparing for retirement. Kamala Harris hasn't resigned from her Senate seat, Gina Haspel is still missing, and the Democrats are calling for Trump to be removed from office right now. Why? He's supposed to be gone in less than two weeks unless they think he's up to something. Trump gave the speech to calm them down but they are still in panic mode. Top Democrat Nancy Pelosi called Mike Pence to ask him to invoke the 25th Amendment to begin Trump's removal now. She was put on hold for 25 minutes until she gave up on the call. Congress was evacuated yesterday and Nancy's laptop was taken. A souvenir taken by a knucklehead protestor or evidence taken by team Trump?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 07, 2021, 07:09:17 PM
Billy Trump clearly said he will work for a smooth transition of power!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 07, 2021, 09:06:03 PM
Video showing antifa scaling Capitol walls and breaking  windows and Trump supporters booing them, and saying they're Antifa.

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1347176538551197696


Another video showing cops hanging out with Trump supporters in the Capital and they don't seem scared of the 'mob'.

https://banned.video/watch?id=5ff63502f23a18318ceb28a7


D.C. cops opening gates waving Trump supporters to come through. Yet media all over the world said Trump supporters stormed the Capitol

https://twitter.com/MajorPatriot/status/1347316424583372800


Man feeling guilty and confessing being paid to riot.

https://twitter.com/tom2badcat/status/1347247051298496512


Another angle of the shooting. Woman wasn't even a threat to the guy in a black suit. He may not have been an officer of the law.

https://twitter.com/dancohen3000/status/1347076676342185984


Although Trump supporters went home and they aren't violent, a temporary new fence will be erected around the Capitol and 6200 National Guard soldiers are going to surround it. Are they there to protect politicians or keep them inside to be rounded up later?

https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/military-to-erect-7-foot-fence-around-capitol-after-horribleshameful-day-in-u-s-history-official/


Billy Trump clearly said he will work for a smooth transition of power!!


You are 100% correct but the question is for who?

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on January 07, 2021, 09:34:28 PM
When you have a rally like that foreign powers infiltrate it to help cause anarchy when ever they can. Trump should of known better.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 07, 2021, 09:59:53 PM
When you have a rally like that foreign powers infiltrate it to help cause anarchy when ever they can. Trump should of known better.


Don't assume Trump is dumb. Amid the chaos presented opportunity. There were multiple laptops taken yesterday from politicians offices. I don't think Trump supporters would steal, especially since there's cameras everywhere. Trump planned for a peaceful protest and he probably knew it would be ruined by bad actors. Trump knew the Georgia runoff election was going to be rigged but instead of calling for it to be cancelled, he allowed it to proceed and watched them cheat again. I'm pretty sure he recorded it.

Trump knew corruption was growing in our government and if he doesn't stop it, it may grow too big to stop. If you're a Trump supporter and feeling down, watch the 3 1/2 minute video below. Whistleblowers came forward saying they've been recording everything and will continue to record everything for the next few months. This is part of Trump's plan. Trump tried to do things peacefully through courts, state legislatures, and Congress. People can't say he didn't try every peaceful avenue. We have laws and if foreign powers are involved in manipulating our elections, our military must act.

https://twitter.com/Project_Veritas/status/1347206205979193344
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 08, 2021, 07:39:41 AM
Billykins, it is clear that you do not understand the meaning of the word 'transition'.  :'(

To help you learn the language of your adopted country:
Quote
noun: transition; plural noun: transitions
the process or a period of changing from one state or condition to another.
"students in transition from one programme to another"
https://www.google.com/search?q=defintion+of+transition&rlz=1C1GIGM_enGB830GB830&oq=defintion+of+transition&aqs=chrome..69i57.4519j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

If you have any more words that you'd like help with understanding, please check this link: https://www.amazon.com/My-First-Dictionary-Pictures-Definitions/dp/0756693136/ref=sxin_9_fly_sptw_srch_rwt_u_0756693136_3_childrensdiction?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 08, 2021, 08:49:16 AM
I just heard from a Chinese source reporting that Trump had given up.

He still emphasizes Law & Oder even when his rival breaks all the Law & Order from ex-president, supreme court judge, down to election staffs and postmen.

Greedy Capitalists` Deep State + ChiNazi have destroyed the good old USA completely.
(https://civiliandefenseforce.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/America2020Tombstone.png)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 08, 2021, 09:44:11 AM
I just watched another Chinese source's analysis.

6th of January isn't Trump's pre-planned end game.  Trump Team let those Deep State show their criminal goal in public.  Also, there is a schedule of a USA military aeroplane (Air Force #1 ?!?) landing in Scotland on 19th January.

In Trump's announcement, he emphasized that 1st Term Presidency was complete and guaranteed a smooth transition to new government on 20th January, but he had NOT mentioned that it would be Biden government.

The End Game is not yet complete.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on January 08, 2021, 09:56:46 AM
The End Game is not yet complete.

I rather suspect it is.

I don't doubt deep state and Democrat involvement in both some election results and what happened in DC recently. One way or another they wanted him out and the machine is bigger than Trump. The machine won.

I can't see him running for another term in four years. He's not a young man after all. I can see him getting his daughter to run next time with him in the background. But the machine knows how to rig elections now and get away with it, so that will probably keep her out.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 08, 2021, 09:59:53 AM
When you have a rally like that foreign powers infiltrate it to help cause anarchy when ever they can. Trump should of known better.


Don't assume Trump is dumb. Amid the chaos presented opportunity. There were multiple laptops taken yesterday from politicians offices. I don't think Trump supporters would steal, especially since there's cameras everywhere. Trump planned for a peaceful protest and he probably knew it would be ruined by bad actors. Trump knew the Georgia runoff election was going to be rigged but instead of calling for it to be cancelled, he allowed it to proceed and watched them cheat again. I'm pretty sure he recorded it.

Trump knew corruption was growing in our government and if he doesn't stop it, it may grow too big to stop. If you're a Trump supporter and feeling down, watch the 3 1/2 minute video below. Whistleblowers came forward saying they've been recording everything and will continue to record everything for the next few months. This is part of Trump's plan. Trump tried to do things peacefully through courts, state legislatures, and Congress. People can't say he didn't try every peaceful avenue. We have laws and if foreign powers are involved in manipulating our elections, our military must act.

https://twitter.com/Project_Veritas/status/1347206205979193344

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/delusional
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 08, 2021, 10:00:51 AM
The End Game is not yet complete.

I rather suspect it is.

I don't doubt deep state and Democrat involvement in both some election results and what happened in DC recently. One way or another they wanted him out and the machine is bigger than Trump. The machine won.

I can't see him running for another term in four years. He's not a young man after all. I can see him getting his daughter to run next time with him in the background. But the machine knows how to rig elections now and get away with it, so that will probably keep her out.

This. Very well said!

I doubt if a Republican will ever win again.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 08, 2021, 01:52:29 PM


https://www.globalresearch.ca/pandemic-invention-disease-called-fear/5706596
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 08, 2021, 08:15:32 PM

Billykins, it is clear that you do not understand the meaning of the word 'transition'.  :'(


There will be a transition to a new administration. Trump will get rid of the traitors and install new people in the administration. It will change and have a different look.


The liberals don't act like they won. CNN and other media sources say Trump is unstable and their 'anonymous' sources say Trump 'lost it'. Social media outlet twitter banned Trump and they did a massive ban on his supporters in an effort to silence them with the excuse being they are promoting violence. There's a cleansing. Stuff we see in Communist countries, we are seeing here. Some people who aren't banned are losing thousands of followers per hour on twitter. Big tech giants Google and Apple tells lesser known social media such as Parler to censor Trump and his supporters or they will drop them from their platform. Pelosi called General Miley, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to ask him to prevent Trump from doing things she worries about. Pelosi is calling for Trump to resign immediately or she'll begin the process of removal on Monday. What's the rush? Trump got less than 12 days left on the job. They should feel relaxed and celebrate. Biden won. Right? They are all afraid of being exposed and losing their power.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 08, 2021, 10:57:59 PM

Yesterday an affidavit of an Italian man admitted to changing the votes was submitted to Congress. Today the report on foreign election interference was submitted to Congress. It seems they were more interested in impeaching Trump! Note the traitors and power hungry politicians eager to remove an outsider who's a threat to their way of life.

https://americacanwetalk.org/italian-intrigue-in-the-stolen-election-of-2020/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 09, 2021, 12:38:08 AM
Dominion Voting Systems files $1.3 billion defamation lawsuit against pro-Trump election attorney Sidney Powell

Now that Trump's out of the way, time to slaughter a kraken.

https://www.businessinsider.com/dominion-sues-sidney-powell-libel-billion-damages-2021-1
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 09, 2021, 12:41:31 AM

Yesterday an affidavit of an Italian man admitted to changing the votes was submitted to Congress. Today the report on foreign election interference was submitted to Congress. It seems they were more interested in impeaching Trump! Note the traitors and power hungry politicians eager to remove an outsider who's a threat to their way of life.

https://americacanwetalk.org/italian-intrigue-in-the-stolen-election-of-2020/

It's over, time for the conspiracy theories to die.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 09, 2021, 04:08:53 AM
The End Game is not yet complete.

I rather suspect it is.

I don't doubt deep state and Democrat involvement in both some election results and what happened in DC recently. One way or another they wanted him out and the machine is bigger than Trump. The machine won.

I can't see him running for another term in four years. He's not a young man after all. I can see him getting his daughter to run next time with him in the background. But the machine knows how to rig elections now and get away with it, so that will probably keep her out.

This. Very well said!

I doubt if a Republican will ever win again.

American Friend,
It is not about which party.  Deep State (including Wall Street) + ChiNazi will not allow any one, who hurts their benefits, to be president.  Winner has been written in software before election.

This is quite similar to Russia and some 3rd world countries'.  One can still vote as usual but the winner has already been decided.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 09, 2021, 04:26:37 AM
My overall impression is:
Trump is a wealthy 2nd generation.  He loves USA and Americans.  However, he does not possess the quality and spirit of a Knight.  He may easily choose to give up the burden.  If he were a man from ordinary or poor family, he would have fought to the end to keep his legal power.

As contrary, the emperor of United Kingdom will never give up His/Her own country, because the whole country is theoretically His/Her property.  S/he must fight until the end of His/Her life to keep His/Her country intact.  S/he is a Knight as well.

My conclusion is - every system is like a knife having 2 faces - Good and Bad. ChiNazi has studied USA's system very well and founded all her weakness to attack and finally wins.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on January 09, 2021, 11:08:00 AM
Do you see China's hand in absolutely everything?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 09, 2021, 12:57:42 PM

https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-trumps-final-days-lines-are-drawn-for-a-republican-civil-war-11609772298
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 09, 2021, 02:56:40 PM

Yesterday an affidavit of an Italian man admitted to changing the votes was submitted to Congress. Today the report on foreign election interference was submitted to Congress. It seems they were more interested in impeaching Trump! Note the traitors and power hungry politicians eager to remove an outsider who's a threat to their way of life.

https://americacanwetalk.org/italian-intrigue-in-the-stolen-election-of-2020/

It's over, time for the conspiracy theories to die.

The facts involved in the slow moving Coup d'Etat against President Trump and the theft of the election away from Republicans will never die.

Whether or not we the people ever get any sort of justice remains to be seen.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 09, 2021, 05:48:34 PM

Yesterday an affidavit of an Italian man admitted to changing the votes was submitted to Congress. Today the report on foreign election interference was submitted to Congress. It seems they were more interested in impeaching Trump! Note the traitors and power hungry politicians eager to remove an outsider who's a threat to their way of life.

https://americacanwetalk.org/italian-intrigue-in-the-stolen-election-of-2020/

It's over, time for the conspiracy theories to die.

The facts involved in the slow moving Coup d'Etat against President Trump and the theft of the election away from Republicans will never die.

Whether or not we the people ever get any sort of justice remains to be seen.

The "facts" never existed, you lost an election. We the people are getting justice. Trump's been castrated, he has no allies, he's banned from twitter, Trump rioters have been arrested, Josh Hawley lost a book deal and Powell's being sued for over a billion.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 09, 2021, 06:06:43 PM

Yesterday an affidavit of an Italian man admitted to changing the votes was submitted to Congress. Today the report on foreign election interference was submitted to Congress. It seems they were more interested in impeaching Trump! Note the traitors and power hungry politicians eager to remove an outsider who's a threat to their way of life.

https://americacanwetalk.org/italian-intrigue-in-the-stolen-election-of-2020/

It's over, time for the conspiracy theories to die.

The facts involved in the slow moving Coup d'Etat against President Trump and the theft of the election away from Republicans will never die.

Whether or not we the people ever get any sort of justice remains to be seen.

The "facts" never existed, you lost an election. We the people are getting justice. Trump's been castrated, he has no allies, he's banned from twitter, Trump rioters have been arrested, Josh Hawley lost a book deal and Powell's being sued for over a billion.

You really are a POS with your statement that "Josh Hawley lost a book deal". Lennin, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot are all smiling at what a gigantic tool and useful idiot you are.

Not wasting any more time on the rest of your rubbish.  :prophead:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 09, 2021, 06:09:59 PM
Dominion Voting Systems files $1.3 billion defamation lawsuit against pro-Trump election attorney Sidney Powell

Now that Trump's out of the way, time to slaughter a kraken.

https://www.businessinsider.com/dominion-sues-sidney-powell-libel-billion-damages-2021-1

Bring it baby! They are only going to expose themselves.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 09, 2021, 08:54:52 PM
Dominion Voting Systems files $1.3 billion defamation lawsuit against pro-Trump election attorney Sidney Powell

Now that Trump's out of the way, time to slaughter a kraken.

https://www.businessinsider.com/dominion-sues-sidney-powell-libel-billion-damages-2021-1

Bring it baby! They are only going to expose themselves.

When it comes to discovery, they'll drop the case. They were told to file the lawsuit now to join the onslaught of Conservatives. They better hope Biden becomes President or they're done. The Democrats will continue to buy and use their machines for elections if Biden is in.

4.5 million patriots were purged from twitter and other social media platforms during the Friday night massacre. Actress Kristie Alley said she lost 30,000 followers after the purge. Conservatives moved over to twitter's competition Parler and Gab. Parler CEO just announced an hour ago Amazon will shut them down tomorrow. More Conservatives getting silenced. Gab owns their own servers so they probably won't get shut down. Iran's Ayatollah, Venezuela's dictator Maduro, and Communist China's various groups can still tweet since they aren't as dangerous to America as Conservatives.

Youtube has removed a lot of channels run by Conservatives. The walkaway group containing 5000 stories from former liberals walking away from the Democrat party have been removed by Youtube. I'll be using Rumble more often. If you guys don't think the Great Reset is anything to worry about, just look what is going on in America right now. If you don't think a certain way, you will be punished. If it is allowed to stand here, it will be coming your way soon.

Pakistan has a nationwide blackout today. The Vatican had a complete blackout too. Pakistan got involved in both our recent elections. The Vatican was in charge of the satellite that Italian defense contractor Leonardo used to send manipulated votes back to the voting machines.

In the video in the link below, Lt Gen McInerney says special forces siezed Nancy Pelosi's laptop Jan 6 after Congress was evaculated. Some of you may have seen some Youtube videos of guys with black hoodies, masks and sunglasses running through the crowd while some accused them of being Antifa. One of those guys responded "We're not here to be Antifa".

https://welovetrump.com/2021/01/09/gen-mcinerny-says-special-ops-got-pelosis-laptop-this-is-high-treason/

Italian courts seem to be taking more action than American courts. Video below of Supreme Court of Italy legal counsel testifying under oath about interference in 2020 election. He's got a heavy accent so here's what he said “Under distraction and direction of U.S. persons working from U.S. embassy in Rome, undertook the operation to switch data from the U.S. election from 3 Nov. 2020 from significant margin of victory from Donald Trump to Joe Biden in a number of states where Joe Biden was losing the vote totals. Defendant states that he was working in  [inaudible] facility of Leonardo spa and utilized military grade cyber warfare encryption capabilities to transmit and switch votes via military satellite from  [inaudible] tower to Frankfurt, Germany. The Defendant swears that the data in some cases may have been switched to represent more than total voter [inaudible]. The Defendant states that he is willing to testify to all individuals and entities involved in the switching of votes from Donald Trump to Joe Biden, where he shall be in total protection from himself and his family. Defendant states he is secured in an undisclosed location. The makeup of the original data and data switched, upon instruction, to provide as evidence in court in this matter. I hereby declare and swear the above stated facts have been stated in my presence.”

https://twitter.com/Yoder_Esqq/status/1348055966995128327

Trump's been hanging out a a top military base that provides instructions to all military units. I hope he has the courage to do what's right. If he wins, he will go down as one of the greatest presidents in American history. If he loses, guess who gets to write the history books.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 09, 2021, 09:57:33 PM
Thank you for the daily dose of craziness.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 09, 2021, 10:00:21 PM
The End Game is not yet complete.

I rather suspect it is.

I don't doubt deep state and Democrat involvement in both some election results and what happened in DC recently. One way or another they wanted him out and the machine is bigger than Trump. The machine won.

I can't see him running for another term in four years. He's not a young man after all. I can see him getting his daughter to run next time with him in the background. But the machine knows how to rig elections now and get away with it, so that will probably keep her out.

This. Very well said!

I doubt if a Republican will ever win again.

Not so sure about this.

In Connecticut the Hispanic vote was only by a small majority pro Biden. There seems to be growing realization that the Democrats are still suffering from Hillary denial. And that more former Democratic votes will orient towards a 'Republican' government. I would not be surprised if in two years the Democrats lose both the House and Senate. And in four years a NEW Republican president is elected.

Yes Trump has not helped the Republican cause in the big picture but the ground work is being laid by the Democrats.

The bigger problem (and my fear) will those elected be really willing to attack the status quo?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 09, 2021, 10:56:51 PM
The End Game is not yet complete.

I rather suspect it is.

I don't doubt deep state and Democrat involvement in both some election results and what happened in DC recently. One way or another they wanted him out and the machine is bigger than Trump. The machine won.

I can't see him running for another term in four years. He's not a young man after all. I can see him getting his daughter to run next time with him in the background. But the machine knows how to rig elections now and get away with it, so that will probably keep her out.

This. Very well said!

I doubt if a Republican will ever win again.

Not so sure about this.

In Connecticut the Hispanic vote was only by a small majority pro Biden. There seems to be growing realization that the Democrats are still suffering from Hillary denial. And that more former Democratic votes will orient towards a 'Republican' government. I would not be surprised if in two years the Democrats lose both the House and Senate. And in four years a NEW Republican president is elected.

Yes Trump has not helped the Republican cause in the big picture but the ground work is being laid by the Democrats.

The bigger problem (and my fear) will those elected be really willing to attack the status quo?


I fear that massive fraud will continue because of the new ability to vote by mail and to vote early. The vast majority of postal workers appear to be "Democrats".

Apparently they are fine with crooks who throw away thousands or hundreds of thousands of Conservative votes while simultaneously bringing in truckloads of ballots filled out for liberals.

Democrats have a long history of cheating and dishonesty in elections.

It's now much worse due to vote by mail. Jimmy Carter, one of the few honest Democrats, warned about the high likelihood of fraud with a vote by mail system

Then on top of it we have crooks with voting machines which can clearly steal an election.

TBH I believe Bush Jr. was the first crook to win by manipulation of computer voting systems.

Now if you're right that Conservatives will once again win believe me we the people hope you are correct!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 09, 2021, 11:12:11 PM
Confederate, I used to think you were crazy with all your conspiracy theories but if what the the guy in the video says is true, I won't think you crazy as much anymore. But I'm surprised you think Trump is going to lose. I've always dismissed Q or some know it as QAnan. But predictions made back in 2017 are coming true. They predicted Trump will be banned from twitter and Conservatives will have a period of pain. Conservatives are feeling pain right now.

The guy says our military has always known what our government was up to and wanted to take action during the Obama administration. During that time, Hillary as Sec of State approved the Uranium One sale to Russia but we skimmed some off the stockpile we sold them and that product was taken by the CIA and given to Syria, Iran and North Korea to create a dirty bomb that would be set off in an American city and an investigation would trace the Uranium signature to the stockpile we sold Russia and with angry American citizens support, Hillary would launch nukes at Russia. It would start a war that would thin the herd. Hillary was supposed to be president for the next 8 years after Obama but I suspect our military interfered with their cheating so Trump would be elected and the guy in the video claims he's a de facto president in a military sting operation. I would have dismissed this video if I watched it a few months ago but I see predictions have come true and strange things happening in our country. Putin once said the New World Order are Satan worshipers. He may be right. This isn't a battle between Democrats and Republicans or Liberals and Conservatives. It's a battle between good and evil.


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 09, 2021, 11:49:22 PM
Thank you for the daily dose of craziness.

Says the guy who expressed happiness at censorship.

You really don't have a clue as to what you have signed up for.

Censorship is just the beginning. Far worse horrors await the next few generations.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_Soviet_Union
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 09, 2021, 11:56:41 PM
Confederate, I used to think you were crazy with all your conspiracy theories but if what the the guy in the video says is true, I won't think you crazy as much anymore. But I'm surprised you think Trump is going to lose. I've always dismissed Q or some know it as QAnan. But predictions made back in 2017 are coming true. They predicted Trump will be banned from twitter and Conservatives will have a period of pain. Conservatives are feeling pain right now.

The guy says our military has always known what our government was up to and wanted to take action during the Obama administration. During that time, Hillary as Sec of State approved the Uranium One sale to Russia but we skimmed some off the stockpile we sold them and that product was taken by the CIA and given to Syria, Iran and North Korea to create a dirty bomb that would be set off in an American city and an investigation would trace the Uranium signature to the stockpile we sold Russia and with angry American citizens support, Hillary would launch nukes at Russia. It would start a war that would thin the herd. Hillary was supposed to be president for the next 8 years after Obama but I suspect our military interfered with their cheating so Trump would be elected and the guy in the video claims he's a de facto president in a military sting operation. I would have dismissed this video if I watched it a few months ago but I see predictions have come true and strange things happening in our country. Putin once said the New World Order are Satan worshipers. He may be right. This isn't a battle between Democrats and Republicans or Liberals and Conservatives. It's a battle between good and evil.



Of course it's a battle between good and evil. I am not at all convinced that Trump has a snowball's chance in Hell of remaining President.

I personally believe the Q anon BS was controlled disinformation to give Trump and his more gullible supporters confidence.

Naturally I hope I am wrong and something truly miraculous happens.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 10, 2021, 12:19:24 AM
Letter from Nancy Pelosi to Communist sympathizer Mayor Ted Wheeler during the riots in Portland.

It seems that Liberal Representatives are totally fine with violent insurrection, as long as they can benefit from it.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 10, 2021, 12:35:04 AM

Letter from Nancy Pelosi to Communist sympathizer Mayor Ted Wheeler during the riots in Portland.

It seems that Liberal Representatives are totally fine with violent insurrection, as long as they can benefit from it.

Did that come from her stolen laptop?


I personally believe the Q anon BS was controlled disinformation to give Trump and his more gullible supporters confidence.


Based on what the guy in the video said, Q was created to gain a following who'd help spread the word. I'm not one to sit on riddles for years waiting to see if they'd come true but recently I quickly identified a lot of what they said is true because what they said is happening now. The military was supposed to make arrests years ago but with Trump they waited it out to to allow more traitors to expose themselves and expose they did on Jan 6th when they refused to reject the electors and certify the election fraud. They will pay a price.

A day after the Electoral Vote count by Congress, the FCC put out a notice reminding every broadcaster their responsibilities to the government Emergency Alert System and the notice cited law. There will be a price to pay to censor an FCC Emergency message. More things are coming out and even if you guys don't want to stay tuned, you're going to get the message forced on you.

https://postimg.cc/5HF68691

A lot of people on the forum claim to be smart but the evidence is clear on election fraud. Except for classified evidence, it's all easily accessible on the dozens of court filings online. Many are too lazy to do their own research and allow their own media which they know is irresponsible to educate them. I've tried to help with links, articles, affidavits and even presented video testimony like the one in Italy. There are many other events happening that is unreal like the mass censorship of conservatives. This was a master plan conspired by bad people. Trump will remain president because I believe he and many around him have the courage to do the right thing. If we lose America and it goes, the world goes. Trump tried to play nice and tried to correct a fraudulent election through the Constitutional process but too many in our government didn't want to do the the right thing by doing their Constitutional duty. Besides not doing the right thing to correct this election, there's many other wrongs our politicians did that will get them sent to prison. There will be shocking things coming out soon. Things are going to start happening and there will be pain getting through this. Stock up on food and water.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on January 10, 2021, 08:36:45 AM
Trump will remain president

I fail to see how he could.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 10, 2021, 09:02:50 AM
Billy, it does not matter what you think about election fraud. I too have some misgivings about the US election system, but that's not the point. The new president has been elected and approved according to the laws and practices of the USA. Trump has said there wil be an orderly transition. The job is done.

You can fantasise all you want, you can ignore what the stakeholders tell you, but that will not change anything.

In a few days time you will probably start to feel very angry and rather confused - you might get depressed. That's your brain telling you 'Hey man, that stuff you thought you knew? You didn't, and the way that you thought the world is? The world is not the way you imagined.'

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 10, 2021, 09:24:02 AM

There will be no Great Reset. There will be a Great Awakening.


Most Americans want a peaceful life, happy family, good job, and what's best for our country although we disagree on how to get there. How did our government get to the corrupt state it's in today? After 9/11 and under Bush our government started to record everybody in America to look for terrorists. They recorded everything, your phone calls and emails and cataloged them. They don't have the time and they didn't care if you were committing adultery, lying to somebody or bragging to your buddies you stole tools from your neighbor.

Then came Obama who began to use this info to compromise high level people in many positions and he also started rigging elections starting with his own in 2012. The Democrats stole the election from Bernie Sanders in their primaries in 2016 and 2020. Our Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts is compromised. He is controlled and it influenced a lot of decisions in rulings, one being Obamacare. All humans have done wrong and if revealed, we would be embarrassed and humiliated so we are willing to do things so that the dirty laundry doesn't get revealed. Although people on the left are largely to blame, many Republicans have been compromised and are now corrupt. That's how we got here to MOST. Our military intelligence has been watching this but due to oaths to secrecy, they couldn't reveal intelligence and if they did, the politicians and media wouldn't report it. Hundreds of generals wanted to take action in 2015 but with misinformation thrown out there by our media, they may not get public support and they would be accused of a coup. But along came Trump and he miraculously beat Hillary in an election that was rigged against him. The military now has the man they needed to get public support for their sting to cleanse our government and give it back to the people. Although the fight on terror and terrorists have diminished significantly, our military has recently spent hundreds of millions of dollars in doubling the size of GITMO, our military prison in Cuba. Traitors to our nation will go to a military prison while they wait for a trial by military tribunal. Sydney Powell is one of the few civilians licensed to work military tribunals.

Trump is a good man and if he has the courage to do what's right, he will go down in history as one of the greatest Presidents in American history. Like Lincoln, he will be risking everything of his for this moment but he truly cares about us and the USA and I believe he will do the right thing in the next few weeks.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 10, 2021, 09:28:40 AM
Here's something that is worth taking a few minutes to read. Written by a very sensible young man, a political analyst whose work has been published all over the place.

http://oneworld.press/?module=articles&action=view&id=1864
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 10, 2021, 09:55:20 AM

Andrew, you like to think of yourself as an intelligent bloke. I hope after this is over, you seriously consider changing the sources you read so that you'd get an improved education on what is going on in the world.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 10, 2021, 11:25:39 AM

There will be no Great Reset. There will be a Great Awakening.


Most Americans want a peaceful life, happy family, good job, and what's best for our country although we disagree on how to get there. How did our government get to the corrupt state it's in today? After 9/11 and under Bush our government started to record everybody in America to look for terrorists. They recorded everything, your phone calls and emails and cataloged them. They don't have the time and they didn't care if you were committing adultery, lying to somebody or bragging to your buddies you stole tools from your neighbor.

Then came Obama who began to use this info to compromise high level people in many positions and he also started rigging elections starting with his own in 2012. The Democrats stole the election from Bernie Sanders in their primaries in 2016 and 2020. Our Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts is compromised. He is controlled and it influenced a lot of decisions in rulings, one being Obamacare. All humans have done wrong and if revealed, we would be embarrassed and humiliated so we are willing to do things so that the dirty laundry doesn't get revealed. Although people on the left are largely to blame, many Republicans have been compromised and are now corrupt. That's how we got here to MOST. Our military intelligence has been watching this but due to oaths to secrecy, they couldn't reveal intelligence and if they did, the politicians and media wouldn't report it. Hundreds of generals wanted to take action in 2015 but with misinformation thrown out there by our media, they may not get public support and they would be accused of a coup. But along came Trump and he miraculously beat Hillary in an election that was rigged against him. The military now has the man they needed to get public support for their sting to cleanse our government and give it back to the people. Although the fight on terror and terrorists have diminished significantly, our military has recently spent hundreds of millions of dollars in doubling the size of GITMO, our military prison in Cuba. Traitors to our nation will go to a military prison while they wait for a trial by military tribunal. Sydney Powell is one of the few civilians licensed to work military tribunals.

Trump is a good man and if he has the courage to do what's right, he will go down in history as one of the greatest Presidents in American history. Like Lincoln, he will be risking everything of his for this moment but he truly cares about us and the USA and I believe he will do the right thing in the next few weeks.
Glad to see Americans are recognising the extreme threat of ChiNazi to our Free World.

Rumours are - Pelosi`s laptop had been captured by Trump`s special agent on 6th January during Houses being evacuated.  She has been arrested by Trump according to 2018 President Order.

Trump may turn out to be a True Knight!  If he is, he will be praised by people born in this century!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 10, 2021, 11:31:06 AM
Here's something that is worth taking a few minutes to read. Written by a very sensible young man, a political analyst whose work has been published all over the place.

http://oneworld.press/?module=articles&action=view&id=1864

You had never anticipated anything which turned out to be true.  Full Stop.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 10, 2021, 11:33:09 AM
Hundreds of generals wanted to take action in 2015 but with misinformation thrown out there by our media, they may not get public support and they would be accused of a coup.

Billy, what exactly was this action in 2015?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 10, 2021, 12:06:30 PM
Hundreds of generals wanted to take action in 2015 but with misinformation thrown out there by our media, they may not get public support and they would be accused of a coup.

Billy, what exactly was this action in 2015?

There was no action by our military although they wanted to take action to remove Obama in 2015. They were afraid the time wasn't right because public opinion would be on the bad guys side and used against them. But with Trump who secured public support, the time is right. People ask why wait so long to begin the arrests. It's because they wanted to continue to record criminal acts as they were taking place. Yesterday an article said ballots were illegally getting shredded. The FBI claimed jurisdiction and completed the shredding! Watch the video. Team Trump had legal ballots imprinted with an isotope watermark that can be GPS located. We will also know if legal ballots or illegal ballots printed in China have been shredded.


The guy in the military intelligence video recommended this video below. What is said to be happening in this video is what is allegedly claimed by good people working in our intelligence agencies. I can't vouch for everything but as truths are revealed to us over the years, it validates what they've claimed in the video. It was released March last year before the election and talked about our voting machines being able to switch votes for one candidate and given to another so they have told the truth there. It's a good watch and gives something to think about why we live in a crazy world now. They also claim the Cabal took control over the North Korean regime many years ago and now claim Kim Jong Un was open to peace with the right people who are not in the Cabal, one being Trump. With the belief Trump lost the election and Biden will become President, North Korea just put out a statement America is the biggest enemy.

https://news.yahoo.com/north-koreas-kim-says-u-120842694.html

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 10, 2021, 12:23:04 PM
Hundreds of generals wanted to take action in 2015 but with misinformation thrown out there by our media, they may not get public support and they would be accused of a coup.

Billy, what exactly was this action in 2015?

There was no action by our military although they wanted to take action to remove Obama in 2015. They were afraid the time wasn't right because public opinion would be on the bad guys side and used against them. But with Trump who secured public support, the time is right. People ask why wait so long to begin the arrests. It's because they wanted to continue to record criminal acts as they were taking place. Yesterday an article said ballots were illegally getting shredded. The FBI claimed jurisdiction and completed the shredding! Watch the video. Team Trump had legal ballots imprinted with an isotope watermark that can be GPS located. We will also know if legal ballots or illegal ballots printed in China have been shredded.


The guy in the military intelligence video recommended this video below. What is said to be happening in this video is what is allegedly claimed by good people working in our intelligence agencies. I can't vouch for everything but as truths are revealed to us over the years, it validates what they've claimed in the video. It was released March last year before the election and talked about our voting machines being able to switch votes for one candidate and given to another so they have told the truth there. It's a good watch and gives something to think about why we live in a crazy world now. They also claim the Cabal took control over the North Korean regime many years ago and now claim Kim Jong Un was open to peace with the right people who are not in the Cabal, one being Trump. With the belief Trump lost the election and Biden will become President, North Korea just put out a statement America is the biggest enemy.

https://news.yahoo.com/north-koreas-kim-says-u-120842694.html


Hey Billy, did you notice in that video Save the World  near the start they say if a criminal becomes President they could commit horrific crimes, and then they show an airplane crashing into one of the twin towers?

Are you finally waking up Billy? I have told you at least a dozen times that the laws of physics don't get suspended for a Hollywood magic trick.

Keep thinking Billy, you might get there.

And yes the Pelosi letter to Wheeler came off her laptop, allegedly.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 10, 2021, 12:56:47 PM
Hey Billy, did you notice in that video Save the World  near the start they say if a criminal becomes President they could commit horrific crimes, and then they show an airplane crashing into one of the twin towers?

Are you finally waking up Billy? I have told you at least a dozen times that the laws of physics don't get suspended for a Hollywood magic trick.


Let's wait for more to come out. There are terrorists in this world that want to do horrific acts against us. The first World Trade Center bombing by terrorists happened during the Bill Clinton presidency and he didn't go to war over it. NOW if Bush and the CIA knew airplanes were getting hijacked and flown into buildings and did nothing about it so they have an excuse to start a war, then they are criminal.


And yes the Pelosi letter to Wheeler came off her laptop, allegedly.


I doubt Pelosi would type that on real paper and fax it over to the mayor.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 10, 2021, 01:08:19 PM
Hey Billy, did you notice in that video Save the World  near the start they say if a criminal becomes President they could commit horrific crimes, and then they show an airplane crashing into one of the twin towers?

Are you finally waking up Billy? I have told you at least a dozen times that the laws of physics don't get suspended for a Hollywood magic trick.


Let's wait for more to come out. There are terrorists in this world that want to do horrific acts against us. The first World Trade Center bombing by terrorists happened during the Bill Clinton presidency and he didn't go to war over it. NOW if Bush and the CIA knew airplanes were getting hijacked and flown into buildings and did nothing about it so they have an excuse to start a war, then they are criminal.


And yes the Pelosi letter to Wheeler came off her laptop, allegedly.


I doubt Pelosi would type that on real paper and fax it over to the mayor.

The 1st bombing was an inside job and Clinton knew it. You have a long ways to go.

Read the Engineering study by University of Alaska Fairbanks for starters. It's very heavy reading.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on January 10, 2021, 05:25:14 PM
 I don't follow this guy, don't know anything about him but I saw he posted this today. He claims Trump signed the insurrection Act



 Monkey Werx, an air traffic tracker who I have seen before says the same


 If it's true I wish everyone luck and hope you all stay safe
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: d672 on January 10, 2021, 06:13:34 PM
 More from a Brit source

https://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2021/01/trump-signs-insurrection-act-general-michael-flynn-to-be-appointed-vice-president-must-3560954.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 10, 2021, 07:00:36 PM


Remember when Bill Clinton pardoned the bomber who detonated a bomb at the Capitol to kill Republicans? She's now President of the Black Lives Matter Network

https://twitter.com/Yoder_Esqq/status/1348084508789239810


Who can forget the 60 Secret Service agents injured during the BLM riots into the White House. Forget? I can't remember MSM reporting that many enforcement agents getting hurt.

https://vdare.com/posts/in-the-blm-white-house-siege-may-31-2020-60-secret-service-agents-were-injured-protecting-trump-from-george-floyd-insurrectionists


"There will be blood in the streets." -Loretta Lynch

"Who says protests have to be peaceful?" -Chris Cuomo

"There needs to be unrest in the streets." -Ayanna Pressley

"Protesters should not let up." -Kamala Harris

"I just don't know why there aren't uprisings all over this country. Maybe there should be."-Nancy Pelosi

"You get out and create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them they are not welcome anymore, anywhere."-Maxine Waters

"Go home with love and in peace. Remember this day forever!" President Trump

Only one of these was considered violent and hateful.

Yes, the buzz is Trump signed the Insurrection Act and the military is in charge. We are living in a crazy world folks. It will be fixed soon. There's a covert war of Biblical proportions that's been going on for years and it's about to end. When things go down, keep your family safe at home. Don't participate with the Democrat calls for riots. They are the ones that will put people in harms way hoping you will preserve their way of life. Pray for our nation, pray for the safety of our good men and women that will right this wrong and pray for Trump. He needs us as much as we need him at this moment.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 10, 2021, 07:59:16 PM
BREAKING NEWS!! Republicans banned from owning carrier pigeons.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 10, 2021, 09:53:08 PM

       
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 10, 2021, 09:58:27 PM

           
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 10, 2021, 10:32:30 PM


Remember when Bill Clinton pardoned the bomber who detonated a bomb at the Capitol to kill Republicans? She's now President of the Black Lives Matter Network

https://twitter.com/Yoder_Esqq/status/1348084508789239810


Who can forget the 60 Secret Service agents injured during the BLM riots into the White House. Forget? I can't remember MSM reporting that many enforcement agents getting hurt.

https://vdare.com/posts/in-the-blm-white-house-siege-may-31-2020-60-secret-service-agents-were-injured-protecting-trump-from-george-floyd-insurrectionists


"There will be blood in the streets." -Loretta Lynch

"Who says protests have to be peaceful?" -Chris Cuomo

"There needs to be unrest in the streets." -Ayanna Pressley

"Protesters should not let up." -Kamala Harris

"I just don't know why there aren't uprisings all over this country. Maybe there should be."-Nancy Pelosi

"You get out and create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them they are not welcome anymore, anywhere."-Maxine Waters

"Go home with love and in peace. Remember this day forever!" President Trump

Only one of these was considered violent and hateful.

Yes, the buzz is Trump signed the Insurrection Act and the military is in charge. We are living in a crazy world folks. It will be fixed soon. There's a covert war of Biblical proportions that's been going on for years and it's about to end. When things go down, keep your family safe at home. Don't participate with the Democrat calls for riots. They are the ones that will put people in harms way hoping you will preserve their way of life. Pray for our nation, pray for the safety of our good men and women that will right this wrong and pray for Trump. He needs us as much as we need him at this moment.

Black Lives Matter Network doesn't have a president or board members and bombs don't discriminate in who they kill.

No msm coverage?

More than 60 Secret Service officers and agents were injured near the White House this weekend

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/george-floyd-protests-05-31-20/h_cb459ab077b164295d8d61d80987e3fb

At least 60 Secret Service members injured during George Floyd protests in DC

https://www.foxnews.com/us/more-than-60-secret-service-officers-injured-during-violent-george-floyd-protests-in-washington-d-c

George Floyd: protesters clash with Secret Service as unrest comes to the White House

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/30/protest-washington-dc-george-floyd-white-house-trump

Quote
"Go home with love and in peace. Remember this day forever!" President Trump (out of context)

Yes, the buzz is Trump signed the Insurrection Act and the military is in charge. We are living in a crazy world folks. It will be fixed soon. There's a covert war of Biblical proportions that's been going on for years and it's about to end. When things go down, keep your family safe at home. Don't participate with the Democrat calls for riots. They are the ones that will put people in harms way hoping you will preserve their way of life. Pray for our nation, pray for the safety of our good men and women that will right this wrong and pray for Trump. He needs us as much as we need him at this moment.

No, no Insurrection Act. If this is what you think the near future really is maybe you should pay me the $250 now before psychosis fully consumes you.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 11, 2021, 11:04:18 AM
Another source claiming that President Trump are moving fast forward to set up fishnet hunting down those USA traitors.  Please prepare for the 10 Days Blackout!
Author: Robert David Steele (ex-CIA agent)

11th January 2021

Original English Conversation
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 11, 2021, 11:13:45 AM
Jenna Ellis interview - Fight is not Over.

NTD, 11th Jan 2021

Original English Conversation
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on January 11, 2021, 11:01:42 PM
I have someone coming over Thursday that was at the Trump rally and afterwards. It will be interesting to get her version of things that happened. So far all she has said do not believe the press.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 11, 2021, 11:08:50 PM
Commie douche Brennan says all you Trump supporters best renounce him, or else!

https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2021/01/11/communist-brennan-demands-republicans-renounce-trump/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on January 11, 2021, 11:51:39 PM
Commie douche Brennan says all you Trump supporters best renounce him, or else!

https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2021/01/11/communist-brennan-demands-republicans-renounce-trump/

Fork Brennan
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 12, 2021, 01:57:06 AM
Please update USA`s situation as soon as possible!  It is very hard to get it from English media.


These are what I got from Chinese sources today:
Also, this claims to be the official announcement of Trump Team on Telegram:
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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 12, 2021, 04:40:23 AM
Grancy Pelosi was absent on 11th January House meeting!!!

What did she lose?

What could be her outcome?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 12, 2021, 09:20:02 AM
Commie douche Brennan says all you Trump supporters best renounce him, or else!

https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2021/01/11/communist-brennan-demands-republicans-renounce-trump/

Fork Brennan


Agree 100%!

He should get prison for treason.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 12, 2021, 09:53:58 AM
Full combat USA military units move into place - Under the cover of darkness (video)
https://www.simonparkes.org/post/military-units-moving-in

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 12, 2021, 10:09:00 PM

These are what I got from Chinese sources today:
  • Trump has announced that Washington enters Emergency Status.  Several thousand troops are keeping public order in Washington.
  • Pelosi has been arrested by Trump.
  • Vatican outsources its communication infra-structure to ChiNazi Hwawei.  Thus, China Commie possesses all those dirty materials of Vatican.
  • Italy is the control centre of this Election fraud, but the one behind is ChiNazi.


National Guard troops are coming from Democratic controlled States to protect D.C for the next month. The governors of those states are in charge of the troops. If Trump signs the insurrection act, he can take charge of those troops.

I don't think Pelosi is arrested but she's panicking and plotting the fastest way to remove Trump in less than a week. She really has no options for a quick removal at this time. I heard the first arrests will be of lower level people and they will be interrogated to get info on higher ups.

The Vatican is involved in a lot of bad things. Their bank holds the money of many deep state actors. The deep church is in charge the Catholic Church.

Various foreign powers are involved in the election fraud.


Full combat USA military units move into place - Under the cover of darkness (video)
https://www.simonparkes.org/post/military-units-moving-in


The armored vehicles are not set up for training or war. They are set up for a specialize mission probably for riot control for something about to get out of control. Do you know if they are near Washington D.C or another American city? The gun on top is .50 cal and is the largest caliber that can legally kill combatants according to Geneva convention rules. The specialized fencing attached around the vehicles is probably to keep people off of them. They are easily identified by signs painted with R1, R2, R3 and so on. The soldiers on the ground have night vision goggles on their helmets. They are prepared to operate with lights out. When Trump takes action, he knows some people aren't going to like it and will riot. It may be hard for some people to believe but he does care about all Americans including rioters who's minds have been manipulated. He wants the military to stop the riots with minimal amount of harm to citizens.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 13, 2021, 02:29:44 AM
To the Commie loving troll:

Official statement of the White House press secretary

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-press-secretary-kayleigh-mcenany/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Danchik on January 13, 2021, 08:19:48 AM
https://www.facebook.com/xxtopuxx/posts/199136318556003


Thoughts?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 13, 2021, 08:41:16 AM
https://www.facebook.com/xxtopuxx/posts/199136318556003


Thoughts?

 :'( :hidechair: :dh: :laugh:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Danchik on January 13, 2021, 08:43:16 AM
https://www.facebook.com/xxtopuxx/posts/199136318556003


Thoughts?

 :'( :hidechair: :dh: :laugh:
sure, tell me more about the great plague Andrew.

I happen to believe some of what he said, not sure about all. What do they say, truth is stranger than fiction.

Oh BTW, the video has been pulled from youtube.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 13, 2021, 08:53:09 AM
Billy, this guy's information matches with what you told me very well!  Trump determined to become a Knight to save USA and Freedom 5 years ago!

Trump Team`s and Patriot Generals' Game{Game} is becoming clearer!

Speaker: Jerome Corsi - American author
Date: unknown
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 13, 2021, 08:59:47 AM
Full combat USA military units move into place - Under the cover of darkness (video)
https://www.simonparkes.org/post/military-units-moving-in
The armored vehicles are not set up for training or war. They are set up for a specialize mission probably for riot control for something about to get out of control. Do you know if they are near Washington D.C or another American city? The gun on top is .50 cal and is the largest caliber that can legally kill combatants according to Geneva convention rules. The specialized fencing attached around the vehicles is probably to keep people off of them. They are easily identified by signs painted with R1, R2, R3 and so on. The soldiers on the ground have night vision goggles on their helmets. They are prepared to operate with lights out. When Trump takes action, he knows some people aren't going to like it and will riot. It may be hard for some people to believe but he does care about all Americans including rioters who's minds have been manipulated. He wants the military to stop the riots with minimal amount of harm to citizens.
The poster has not showed any information about the place of this troop.

The date should be around 11th January 2021, as indicated by the post's time.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 13, 2021, 09:02:19 AM
The more deluded among you will still be waiting for trump to pull something out of his arse when you are on your deathbeds or in a nursing home.

Nurse, when is Trump planning to overthrow the government?

There, there, old man Mr Trump promises that his righteous army will rise up soon. Now eat your jello, it tastes very good today!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 13, 2021, 09:13:18 AM
The more deluded among you will still be waiting for trump to pull something out of his arse when you are on your deathbeds or in a nursing home.

Nurse, when is Trump planning to overthrow the government?

There, there, old man Mr Trump promises that his righteous army will rise up soon. Now eat your jello, it tastes very good today!


Repeat:
You had never anticipated anything which turned out to be true.  Full Stop.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 13, 2021, 10:24:35 AM
Not sure what you're trying to say here Loyalman.

As far as I can tell, I was not far off. Trump is not re-elected, there has been no election overturned, there has been no coup, no gun battle in Germany, no arrests of people against Trump, no arrests of 'deep staters'.

All that's left are delusional people whose cognitive dissonance is making them more and more mad as they find themselves painted into a psychological corner with no way out.

And no China is not pulling the strings in the USA. They are not behind every bad thing that happens there.

Come back to earth. Start to use your, probably limited, cognitive abilities. If you cannot see the world as it is then you have no hope of changing it or making your own life better.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 13, 2021, 11:45:56 AM
The more deluded among you will still be waiting for trump to pull something out of his arse when you are on your deathbeds or in a nursing home.

Nurse, when is Trump planning to overthrow the government?

There, there, old man Mr Trump promises that his righteous army will rise up soon. Now eat your jello, it tastes very good today!

 :laugh:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 13, 2021, 03:27:55 PM
Trump is not re-elected,


Trump was re-elected fair and square. You need to switch news sources so you're better educated. My sources say Italy's government is on the verge of collapse for interfering in our elections and other crimes.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 13, 2021, 03:33:42 PM
Trump is not re-elected,


Trump was re-elected fair and square. You need to switch news sources so you're better educated. My sources say Italy's government is on the verge of collapse for interfering in our elections and other crimes.

This will not be the first time a 'government' in Italy has collapsed.

But the reality Trump is not the cause, effect, or problem. Rather a Junior Partner in the Government has withdrawn support for an economic recovery plan.

Please let's try to stay real!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 13, 2021, 03:49:10 PM
But the reality Trump is not the cause, effect, or problem. Rather a Junior Partner in the Government has withdrawn support for an economic recovery plan.


I believe Trump's partnered with our military patriots. Much of our government politicians have been compromised by China and other players. If you guys would do me a favor, if high level Italian politicians get arrested, please post right away. I would like to compare your media with ours. I doubt our MSM will be reporting since it's related to election fraud.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on January 13, 2021, 04:59:25 PM

I believe Trump's partnered with our military patriots. Much of our government politicians have been compromised by China and other players. If you guys would do me a favor, if high level Italian politicians get arrested, please post right away. I would like to compare your media with ours. I doubt our MSM will be reporting since it's related to election fraud.

Their media, our media is pretty much the same media. Just a different facade to where ever it's broadcasted. Many haven't yet discovered this and continue to absorb and believe every morsel as truth.

I do admire your tenacity but attempting to get some of these folks to look past the illusion they're sucked into is akin to teaching a pig to sing
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 13, 2021, 05:17:23 PM

I believe Trump's partnered with our military patriots. Much of our government politicians have been compromised by China and other players. If you guys would do me a favor, if high level Italian politicians get arrested, please post right away. I would like to compare your media with ours. I doubt our MSM will be reporting since it's related to election fraud.

Their media, our media is pretty much the same media. Just a different facade to where ever it's broadcasted. Many haven't yet discovered this and continue to absorb and believe every morsel as truth.

I do admire your tenacity but attempting to get some of these folks to look past the illusion they're sucked into is akin to teaching a pig to sing

Just curious, do you know who owns the world wide media which continues to deceive people to the detriment of humanity?

Asking for a friend.

BTW even Elon Musk knows the answer.  :laugh:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: tfcrew on January 13, 2021, 05:32:21 PM
(https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gv011321dAPR20210113084505.jpg)

(https://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/MC_BoilingPoint_web20210108013052.jpg)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 13, 2021, 07:11:41 PM

Jovan Pulitzer is one of the great minds behind the election fraud investigations. He's compiled and released evidence to show 65 nations were involved in manipulating our election. Remember brain dead Biden let slip in the video that he's compiled 'The greatest fraud organization' in history? Apparently it's true. After Trump rounds up all the corrupt politicians in both parties, there will be hell to pay from the nations that got involved with our elections. Italy will probably pay first with arrests at the highest levels. Trump will ask our allies to arrest those involved whether they may be a President, Prime Minister, or King or Queen. For our enemies who are involved in our elections, I don't know what Trump will do. Although people think he's done, he's still is and will continue to be the most powerful man on earth. I doubt he wants war but I suspect for a country like China, he'd either ask them to make wholesale changes in their government which they probably won't do or ask the world to not do business with China.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/huge-report-shows-numerous-countries-interfered-2020-election-resulting-millions-invalid-ballots-inserted-election/

It may be hard for some of you to believe but Trump cares about ALL Americans including those who's minds are manipulated by the Democrats and are likely to riot soon. Trump will make it to where there's minimal harm to the civilian population and troops. Before arresting high profiled politicians, he'll probably arrest leaders of the groups most likely to riot. He may turn off cell phones and the power grid so there can't be calls to organize or lights to navigate the streets. When this is over, we will wake up in a new world. Be open to the evidence. You will learn some people are very bad and some are pure evil. It will challenge everything you thought you knew. Trump isn't just saving America, he's saving the world because he'll be coming after the bad guys overseas.

Trump known for years how bad our government got. MOST politicians have been compromised and we almost lost our country. What is going on is much bigger than election fraud. Trump could've stopped it earlier but he's part of a plan that started before he decided to run for the Presidency. The long game covert military sting is about to get overt. They wanted to wait for more people to hang themselves Jan 6th when they accepted the electors instead of challenging the election fraud and allow them hang themselves now as they observe how they vote during Impeachment. Some politician surprised me. Ones I thought supported Trump abandoned him in the end. But they didn't just abandoned Trump, they abandoned the American people by not being transparent, not investigating election fraud, and not even giving us peace of mind our votes counted. Trump also allowed the media to show how bias they are in reporting and how they set up Trump supporters at the Capitol. Trump showed us businesses and social media abandoning free speech censoring millions as they ban Conservatives and deny them business. Trump has allowed them to portray him as a weak President with a week left to go to show us, the American people and the World, how corrupt power hungry people have come into power to control us. He's allowed them to humiliate him to the end for our benefit so we'd wake up to a better world.

You're going to find out people in all walks of life that you loved and admired were involved in evil plots. One of the most evil I heard involved Obama and Hillary resetting relations with Russia and then approving the sale of 20% of America's uranium to Russia. They kept some of that stockpile and had the CIA deliver some Uranium to Iran and North Korea so they make a dirty bomb. After Obama, it was determined Hillary would be president for 8 years and a dirty bomb would go off in an American city creating a 9/11 event. An investigation would show the uranium isotopes traced back to the pile we sold to Russia and with an angry American public support, Hillary would nuke Moscow starting a major war. Hillary won the Democratic primaries cheating Bernie Sanders. She was going to cheat Trump but I believe our military intercepted the cheating to where Trump won legitimately. The evil actors involved had to wait and it was Biden's turn. Sure half the country doesn't like Biden at this moment but what better way to unite the country than a 9/11 type event that we can rally around and uniting us into war?

Your media doesn't report this and if they do, it's not on page 1, but these are facts. CIA director Gina Haspel is still missing. After the election, Trump removed special ops powers from the CIA and denied them military special ops soldiers for their missions. CIA has been castrated and they are basically paper pushers without guns now. Team Trump is still very busy collecting evidence as you can see the special ops soldiers gathering a bunch of laptops last week in the Capitol. Over the last 1 1/2 years our military has has spent 200 million to upgrade and double the size of GITMO, our military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. War on terrorists is practically non existent so there's lots of vacant rooms. Sidney Powell is a military lawyer who can work military tribunals. Right before the election Trump legalized hangings and death by firing squad for those who commit crimes against America. American citizens can go to a military prison if they commit crimes against America. Figure it out folks.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: tfcrew on January 13, 2021, 08:30:41 PM
 One point...Pres Trump will not be put on trial for anything. The Senate cannot constitutionally conduct judicial hearings regarding a private citizen.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 13, 2021, 08:59:49 PM
Billy will you send mhr7 the $250 on January 21st?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 13, 2021, 09:07:27 PM
While there is some wishful fantasies from some Trump supporters. Someone needs to tell you the election is over.

TRUMP LOST

Was there fraud sadly, YES.  Is it worth destroying the fabric of the nation, NO.

Lets move on.

The Republican's need to man up and figure out a game plan.

Despite the prophets of gloom, the war was not lost only a battle.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 13, 2021, 10:49:40 PM
Billy will you send mhr7 the $250 on January 21st?

Yes, he will.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on January 13, 2021, 10:55:51 PM

Yes, he will.

Get your $250 ready. Hopefully one day you'll realize the lie you've bought into
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 13, 2021, 11:27:20 PM
Billy will you send mhr7 the $250 on January 21st?

Yes, he will.

Remember, the bet is completed after all avenues of determining the President have been exhausted whether it be State Legislatures, Congress, Courts or guns. All we have left are courts and guns. SCOTUS is going to hear a case after Jan 20th because they delayed it on purpose since they are compromised but I believe this will get settled with guns sooner. The only court left for Biden will be military tribunal.


I have a friend in his 50's. When he was in his 20's he moved to Thailand to live free. He went to parties full of drugs and girls. Lots of fun. He got to know people and they'd invite him to other parties. Next party drugs and orgy. As they trusted him to be a potential 'cult' member, they invited him to a party that had a performance of humans having sex with animals which he didn't participate in. Each party became increasingly disturbing. Things were happening that are clearly wrong and bordering criminal but he knew better and never showed he was disgusted with what he seen because he could get hurt or killed. The last party he attended had a performance where they were shoving things in a young girl...a lot of things. She was probably bought or taken from her parents. Maybe these people went to a village and told the parents they can take the child to the big city for education and a job. Village people in them countries can be naïve and easily believe their child can have a future in the big cities. At that party the little girl screamed until she couldn't scream no more. My friend witnesses a crime many years ago and he started to realize that he was close to being part of a group that once you're 'in', you can't get out. He ran from that life and never looked back but it still haunts him till this day.

It's natural that we believe people in business and politics are compromised with money. With money, you can temporarily control a person. But there are ways of controlling a person for life. Give the person a child to beat and torture. Film it. Give the person a child to have sex with. Film it. After that person does a dirty deed to a child and knows there's evidence of it they may be handed a gun and told to kill the child. Film it and you own the person for life. They then release the person back into society and tell them with rigged elections, their job is secure. They will be rich and powerful for life as long as they do as they are told. There is a lot of pure evil in this world and it was taking over America and other nations. The American military and Trump will put an end to this.

We have a week to go. If what I claim about Trump remaining President is true, think about the posts I've been writing may be true too. Trump will release evidence of many types of crimes, not just pertaining to election fraud. I'm not sure Trump will release photos and videos of crimes against children. I don't know if the American public and the World can handle it.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 13, 2021, 11:50:11 PM
There are photos out there of Trump with his former pal Epstein. Have you ever considered that maybe that's why he didn't sign the Insurrection act over the summer when he had a chance?

I don't know how this miracle is going to happen but last I saw there were approximately 10,000 National Guardsmen with automatic weapons guarding the Capitol with more to come.

I think there are quite a few people on YouTube getting paid for clicks making wild claims.

Why are their videos still up and running? Maybe controlled disinformation to keep some peoples hoping?

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 14, 2021, 12:20:52 AM
Jim Jordan speaks the truth today.

           
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 14, 2021, 01:11:40 AM
There are photos out there of Trump with his former pal Epstein. Have you ever considered that maybe that's why he didn't sign the Insurrection act over the summer when he had a chance?


The Insurrection Act should only get signed before action is to be taken. When Epstein harassed a teen girl in 2007, Trump barred him from his property. Bill Clinton on the other hand flew on many flights to Epstein's Island solidifying his friendship with Epstein who provided flesh. Trump never flew on Lolita Express.

https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/arts-culture/article/3096424/trump-says-jeffrey-epstein-was-never-mar-lago-member-new

I think there are quite a few people on YouTube getting paid for clicks making wild claims.


There is a lot of misinformation out there. I filtered out the BS and listen to those who know somebody on the inside.


Why are their videos still up and running? Maybe controlled disinformation to keep some peoples hoping?


The people I listen to, if they post a Youtube video talking about evidence or reality, it's quickly taken down or they are banned from posting any videos. The BS videos get to remain on Youtube.


I don't know how this miracle is going to happen but last I saw there were approximately 10,000 National Guardsmen with automatic weapons guarding the Capitol with more to come.


If Trump takes action, it'll probably be with real troops, not weekend warriors like the National Guard. Soldiers used for guard duty and keeping the peace are almost never carrying live ammo. The military doesn't want an incident where a nervous soldier empties his clip into a crowd of civilians.




Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 14, 2021, 04:43:45 AM
Here are some summary of Chinese sources today:


Here is a video of Washington showing military troops moving around, plus a man`s English conversation from 1:00.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 14, 2021, 05:02:41 AM
It's natural that we believe people in business and politics are compromised with money. With money, you can temporarily control a person. But there are ways of controlling a person for life. Give the person a child to beat and torture. Film it. Give the person a child to have sex with. Film it. After that person does a dirty deed to a child and knows there's evidence of it they may be handed a gun and told to kill the child. Film it and you own the person for life. They then release the person back into society and tell them with rigged elections, their job is secure. They will be rich and powerful for life as long as they do as they are told. There is a lot of pure evil in this world and it was taking over America and other nations.

ChiNazi's Blue/Gold/Yellow Strategy is not complete yet.

I also heard that ChiNazi has a follow-up Green strategy - Its goal is to make sure that their high ranking governmental officer "Old Friends" in western countries can live as long as possible.  The actual practice is very Evil, for instances, extracting fresh hormones from kids, harvesting pre-matched and tested Live Human Organs, etc.  Then, these fresh and living human organs are then transferred to ChiNazi's western "Old Friends".

So, Blue/Gold/Yellow/Green is a more complete description.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 14, 2021, 07:27:59 AM
What at least part of the civilised world is thinking right now:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 14, 2021, 07:49:57 AM
There are photos out there of Trump with his former pal Epstein. Have you ever considered that maybe that's why he didn't sign the Insurrectioan act over the summer when he had a chance?


The Insurrection Act should only get signed before action is to be taken. When Epstein harassed a teen girl in 2007, Trump barred him from his property. Bill Clinton on the other hand flew on many flights to Epstein's Island solidifying his friendship with Epstein who provided flesh. Trump never flew on Lolita Express.

https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/arts-culture/article/3096424/trump-says-jeffrey-epstein-was-never-mar-lago-member-new

I think there are quite a few people on YouTube getting paid for clicks making wild claims.


There is a lot of misinformation out there. I filtered out the BS and listen to those who know somebody on the inside.


Why are their videos still up and running? Maybe controlled disinformation to keep some peoples hoping?


The people I listen to, if they post a Youtube video talking about evidence or reality, it's quickly taken down or they are banned from posting any videos. The BS videos get to remain on Youtube.


I don't know how this miracle is going to happen but last I saw there were approximately 10,000 National Guardsmen with automatic weapons guarding the Capitol with more to come.


If Trump takes action, it'll probably be with real troops, not weekend warriors like the National Guard. Soldiers used for guard duty and keeping the peace are almost never carrying live ammo. The military doesn't want an incident where a nervous soldier empties his clip into a crowd of civilians.

President Trump had a chance over the summer to use special forces to break up the riots in Portland, Seattle and elsewhere, arrest their leaders and also arrest and prosecute Democrat leaders who were formenting the insurrection and financing it.

As soon as he became a lame duck President the career military officers in charge would refuse orders as being un Constitutional, because they want to protect their livelihoods and families.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 14, 2021, 08:52:58 AM
President Trump had a chance over the summer to use special forces to break up the riots in Portland, Seattle and elsewhere, arrest their leaders and also arrest and prosecute Democrat leaders who were formenting the insurrection and financing it.

As soon as he became a lame duck President the career military officers in charge would refuse orders as being un Constitutional, because they want to protect their livelihoods and families.
American Friends,
If rumour about Trump Team is correct, it is a Strategy.

Trump pretends to be losing and encourages Deep State & ChiNazi to throw ALL their 4 Aces + 1 Fake Ace on table!!!  ;)
"Pretending to lose" is a very popular Tactic in military operation.
Its outcome is very obvious.  It led to China Commie announcing National Security Act in Hong Kong which violates its own Basic Law.

Another reason is about Trump himself.  He is a very kind man.  He does not wish to hurt any innocent Americans.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 14, 2021, 11:23:43 AM
What at least part of the civilised world is thinking right now:
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 14, 2021, 11:27:05 AM
President Trump had a chance over the summer to use special forces to break up the riots in Portland, Seattle and elsewhere, arrest their leaders and also arrest and prosecute Democrat leaders who were formenting the insurrection and financing it.

As soon as he became a lame duck President the career military officers in charge would refuse orders as being un Constitutional, because they want to protect their livelihoods and families.
Another reason is about Trump himself.  He is a very kind man.  He does not wish to hurt any innocent Americans.

You know nothing about Trump. Have a good look at his past.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 14, 2021, 12:01:35 PM
President Trump had a chance over the summer to use special forces to break up the riots in Portland, Seattle and elsewhere, arrest their leaders and also arrest and prosecute Democrat leaders who were formenting the insurrection and financing it.

As soon as he became a lame duck President the career military officers in charge would refuse orders as being un Constitutional, because they want to protect their livelihoods and families.
Another reason is about Trump himself.  He is a very kind man.  He does not wish to hurt any innocent Americans.

You know nothing about Trump. Have a good look at his past.

Says the twit who is happy with crooked Joe the groper with dementia.  :sick0012:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on January 14, 2021, 12:26:01 PM

You know nothing about Trump. Have a good look at his past.

Yes, take a look at his past. What do YOU know about his past that would make him a bad man or a bad president. Sans the fake news
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 14, 2021, 01:49:14 PM

You know nothing about Trump. Have a good look at his past.

Yes, take a look at his past. What do YOU know about his past that would make him a bad man or a bad president. Sans the fake news

Sexual assault
Beauty Pageant scandals
Racial housing discrimination
Trump University
Trump Institute
4 Bankruptcies (no, not normal)
Trump Foundation
Hiring undocumented workers
Leaving hundreds of workers unpaid
Tenant intimidation
Breaking casino rules
Antitrust violations
Buying $55,000 worth of his own book (against FEC rules)
Impeached twice
Calling the Georgia SOS and begging him to "find" more votes
Interfering with electoral certification (impeachable offense)

There are others but these are enough to start.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on January 14, 2021, 03:09:24 PM

You know nothing about Trump. Have a good look at his past.

Yes, take a look at his past. What do YOU know about his past that would make him a bad man or a bad president. Sans the fake news

Sexual assault
Beauty Pageant scandals
Racial housing discrimination
Trump University
Trump Institute
4 Bankruptcies (no, not normal)
Trump Foundation
Hiring undocumented workers
Leaving hundreds of workers unpaid
Tenant intimidation
Breaking casino rules
Antitrust violations
Buying $55,000 worth of his own book (against FEC rules)
Impeached twice
Calling the Georgia SOS and begging him to "find" more votes
Interfering with electoral certification (impeachable offense)

There are others but these are enough to start.

Bullshit. I said sans the fake news. None of that is true and you can not prove that it is. It's made up.  Where were those allegations before he ran for president? You really should do some thinking for yourself. You've got nothing and you can't find anything that isn't there
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 14, 2021, 03:59:29 PM

You know nothing about Trump. Have a good look at his past.

Yes, take a look at his past. What do YOU know about his past that would make him a bad man or a bad president. Sans the fake news



Sexual assault
Beauty Pageant scandals
Racial housing discrimination
Trump University
Trump Institute
4 Bankruptcies (no, not normal)
Trump Foundation
Hiring undocumented workers
Leaving hundreds of workers unpaid
Tenant intimidation
Breaking casino rules
Antitrust violations
Buying $55,000 worth of his own book (against FEC rules)
Impeached twice
Calling the Georgia SOS and begging him to "find" more votes
Interfering with electoral certification (impeachable offense)

There are others but these are enough to start.

Bullshit. I said sans the fake news. None of that is true and you can not prove that it is. It's made up.  Where were those allegations before he ran for president? You really should do some thinking for yourself. You've got nothing and you can't find anything that isn't there

You know they exist, you just get some kick out of pretending there's some sort of alternate reality only a chosen few have access to where the "real" facts prance around in all their glory. Kind of like a cult.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 14, 2021, 06:16:55 PM

You know nothing about Trump. Have a good look at his past.

Yes, take a look at his past. What do YOU know about his past that would make him a bad man or a bad president. Sans the fake news

Sexual assault
Beauty Pageant scandals
Racial housing discrimination
Trump University
Trump Institute
4 Bankruptcies (no, not normal)
Trump Foundation
Hiring undocumented workers
Leaving hundreds of workers unpaid
Tenant intimidation
Breaking casino rules
Antitrust violations
Buying $55,000 worth of his own book (against FEC rules)
Impeached twice
Calling the Georgia SOS and begging him to "find" more votes
Interfering with electoral certification (impeachable offense)

There are others but these are enough to start.

Sexual assault?

Were all the women who accused Biden of sexual assault and worse just fibbing?

See you don't really care about any of that. You're a real-life partisan freak show.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 14, 2021, 06:44:39 PM
  • NEVER visit big cities, particularly Philadelphia and some most corrupted areas.  Fart People or Low End population like *snip*, etc, who have enjoyed some breads thrown by Deep State and ChiNazi, will go riot.  President Trump`s troops will have battle there.

That you are delusional is not my problem.

That you believe strange and unproven conspiracies is your own problem.

That you make accusations and assumptions towards other posters on a public forum is a problem.

My suggestions make your excuses for your slander forthwith.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 14, 2021, 07:13:27 PM

You know nothing about Trump. Have a good look at his past.

Yes, take a look at his past. What do YOU know about his past that would make him a bad man or a bad president. Sans the fake news

Sexual assault
Beauty Pageant scandals
Racial housing discrimination
Trump University
Trump Institute
4 Bankruptcies (no, not normal)
Trump Foundation
Hiring undocumented workers
Leaving hundreds of workers unpaid
Tenant intimidation
Breaking casino rules
Antitrust violations
Buying $55,000 worth of his own book (against FEC rules)
Impeached twice
Calling the Georgia SOS and begging him to "find" more votes
Interfering with electoral certification (impeachable offense)

There are others but these are enough to start.

Sexual assault?

Were all the women who accused Biden of sexual assault and worse just fibbing?

See you don't really care about any of that. You're a real-life partisan freak show.

Who are all the women who've accused Biden of sexual assault?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: tfcrew on January 14, 2021, 08:47:05 PM

Who are all the women who've accused Biden of sexual assault?
Quote
Eight women have alleged that Biden either touched them inappropriately or violated their personal space in ways that made them uncomfortable.
Look them yourself [but you probably won't]
Quote
Biden has also been criticized for repeatedly commenting on the physical appearance of women on the campaign trail, and for refusing to explicitly apologize for his behavior.
Quote
One of those women, Tara Reade, alleges that Biden sexually assaulted her in 1993. Biden has unequivocally denied assaulting or harassing Reade.
https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-allegations-women-2020-campaign-2019-6

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: tfcrew on January 14, 2021, 09:11:04 PM
   
Impeached twice
The Democrats started an impeachment campaign before Trump was ever inaugurated. We all know that. The impeachment of 2020 left 200 million Americans scratching their heads wondering where the beef was. The impeachment of this month was done without any hearings or investigation...just thumbs down.... at the snap of Pelosi's fingers and it will backfire in due time. Because it is learned that the melee was not spontaneous at all. That it was planned...and that the Nat'l Guard was called several times to take positions around the capitol and told by DC politicians that they will not be needed.
I asked several times...what did Biden accomplish during his political career?
Never got an answer to that.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 14, 2021, 09:29:10 PM
President Trump had a chance over the summer to use special forces to break up the riots in Portland, Seattle and elsewhere, arrest their leaders and also arrest and prosecute Democrat leaders who were formenting the insurrection and financing it.


Democrat mayors wouldn't have cooperated with Trump and any troops he'd send to cities. They wouldn't tell them where to go within the cities to apprehend bad actors. They may even set up something up where somebody gets shot and blame it on the troops and Trump for attacking civilians with live ammo.

Soon it's going to begin. First Trump is going to declassify documents to expose the Democrats dirty laundry. This will educate Americans and it'll reduce the shock after the arrests. Some of you will still live in fantasy land thinking after Trump releases all this dirty laundry, Biden's Justice Department will get revenge on a civilian named Trump and ride his ass till he dies poor, humiliated and possibly in jail along with some of his family members. There will be no Biden Justice Department.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 14, 2021, 09:32:59 PM

Who are all the women who've accused Biden of sexual assault?
Quote
Eight women have alleged that Biden either touched them inappropriately or violated their personal space in ways that made them uncomfortable.
Look them yourself [but you probably won't]
Quote
Biden has also been criticized for repeatedly commenting on the physical appearance of women on the campaign trail, and for refusing to explicitly apologize for his behavior.
Quote
One of those women, Tara Reade, alleges that Biden sexually assaulted her in 1993. Biden has unequivocally denied assaulting or harassing Reade.
https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-allegations-women-2020-campaign-2019-6

Reade is a bit shady.

Reade has been accused of misrepresenting herself and her life experiences, including of lying under oath and in court proceedings. Specifically, her claims of holding a bachelor's degree from Antioch University,[2] and also of working as an "online visiting professor" there have been disputed. She has purported to having received a "fast-tracked" degree in order to help protect her identity from her allegedly abusive ex-husband, a claim that has been denied by the university. The law school she later graduated from, Seattle University, has not shared details of her initial application. Reade has been under investigation by prosecutors in Monterey County, California, for lying under oath about her educational credentials in her appearances as an expert witness on domestic abuse.[3][4]

Prior to accusing Biden of sexual assault in 2020, Reade made various other comments that cast her encounters with Biden in a different light. Reade says that in 1993, she filed a complaint against Biden with a Senate human resources office in which she alleged that Biden had made Reade feel uncomfortable through comments she deemed demeaning, allegedly including a compliment about her looks and a request for Reade to serve drinks at a Senate event. However, in her complaint, Reade did not accuse Biden of any kind of sexual misconduct and made no mention of the alleged assault.[5] A few years before she accused Biden of sexual assault, Reade repeatedly praised Biden on her personal Twitter account, retweeting or otherwise endorsing comments which characterized Biden as a leader in combating sexual violence.[6]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden_sexual_assault_allegation
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 14, 2021, 11:03:38 PM
President Trump had a chance over the summer to use special forces to break up the riots in Portland, Seattle and elsewhere, arrest their leaders and also arrest and prosecute Democrat leaders who were formenting the insurrection and financing it.


Democrat mayors wouldn't have cooperated with Trump and any troops he'd send to cities. They wouldn't tell them where to go within the cities to apprehend bad actors. They may even set up something up where somebody gets shot and blame it on the troops and Trump for attacking civilians with live ammo.

Soon it's going to begin. First Trump is going to declassify documents to expose the Democrats dirty laundry. This will educate Americans and it'll reduce the shock after the arrests. Some of you will still live in fantasy land thinking after Trump releases all this dirty laundry, Biden's Justice Department will get revenge on a civilian named Trump and ride his ass till he dies poor, humiliated and possibly in jail along with some of his family members. There will be no Biden Justice Department.

This is the weakest argument I have ever heard.

President Trump was the CIC of the armed forces.

By filing the insurrection act Trump could have shut down the media who were fanning the flames of riots, solely for profit.

That was an act of sedition right there alone.

Just as Lincoln suspended habeas corpus Trump could have done the same thing, if he had any testicles like Lincoln did.

Instead come to find out Trump was a blowhard who liked to talk tough but could not deliver.

Which is why we are now in the disgusting situation of more and more tyranny, coming our way.

Thanks Trump, for worse than nothing.

Low IQ blubber butt delivered us into the hands of our enemies, with a bow tie.

Hardened combat special forces needed cooperation of Demon rat govs and mayors?

                 :ROFL:          :ROFL:            :ROFL:            :ROFL:

You truly know jack shit about the overwhelming fury he could have released on those rioters.

Get ready to pay the $250. No more fantasies, no more excuses, no more BS.

      https://youtube.com/shorts/BuiH3ssTpB8
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 14, 2021, 11:45:13 PM
Reality. What a concept for some.

https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2021-01-15/trump-plans-to-live-at-mar-a-lago-and-employ-some-current-aides
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 15, 2021, 12:21:05 AM
Thanks Trump, for worse than nothing.

Low IQ blubber butt delivered us into the hands of our enemies, with a bow tie.


You're starting to think like a Democrat. Trump is brilliant because he's got his enemies thinking he's dumb. They will be taken out. He's waiting till the last minute so they can expose themselves further and so we can clearly see them for who they are. Trump allowed us to see who voted to accept fraudulent electors and certify a fraudulent election. Trump allowed us to see MSM and big tech in a way we would've never seen if he didn't do what he did. We knew they were fake news but we didn't know how evil they were. Many of our politicians. MSM, and big tech are corrupt to the point they would begin the decline of our nation. It scares you. It scares me. It scares the world. Trump told his base to go home in peace. No more protesting and certainly no violence. Trump's got this. Are you a religious man? Have faith. Something most people don't know is Trump prays every night before he goes to bed. He wants to do the right thing for America and humanity. He will do the right thing.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on January 15, 2021, 02:01:03 AM
Sexual assault
Didn't happen. Was proven in court even.

Beauty Pageant scandals
Distasteful maybe, but bad president?

Racial housing discrimination
And trump also banned the critical race theory (which will soon be un-banned by the biden administration).
So looks like Trump isn't a racist if thats what you are implying.

Trump University
Trump Institute
Trump University/Trump institute actually sound like good things, who wouldn't want an education.

4 Bankruptcies (no, not normal)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_career_of_Donald_Trump#Business_bankruptcies

Looks like they filed for bankrupcy themselves to get a better deal from the banks.
Nice try though and according to the 'pedia there were 6 not 4.

Trump Foundation
Again, sounds like something any rich punter would do.

Hiring undocumented workers
Him and half of america that needed their houses cleaned.

Leaving hundreds of workers unpaid
When? Where?

Tenant intimidation

Quote from: money.cnn.com/2016
Trump tells a very different story in his book, The Art of the Deal. He described the renters as privileged, rich "yuppies" who benefited unfairly from rent-control. The rent Trump collected barely covered expenses. That's why he installed cheaper light bulbs and cut back, he wrote.

"If there's one thing I've learned about the rich, it's that they have a very low threshold for even the mildest discomfort," Trump wrote.

To be fair, these people had an unbelievably sweet deal: low-rent homes a short stroll away from Broadway theaters and Carnegie Hall. Dr. Richman paid $700 a month for Apartment 5C. Fashion designer Arnold Scaasi paid $985 for his mind-blowing, six-bedroom with killer views of the park.

In New York City, this is the stuff of legend. But the law protected them. Yet Trump kept up the pressure.


Riiiiight, good example of bad orange man there, how dare he try to get rid of those near-freeloaders.

Breaking casino rules
Quote from: edition.cnn.com/2017
The casino repeatedly failed to properly report gamblers who cashed out $10,000 or more in a single day, the government said.
Trump's casino ended up paying the Treasury Department a $477,000 fine in 1998 without admitting any liability under the Bank Secrecy Act.

Oooooh bad Trump, or was it actually the casino management and trump didn't even know about it until the court case itself.
Questions questions.



Antitrust violations
Buying $55,000 worth of his own book (against FEC rules)
Proven false by now, it was part of the anti-trump-election campaign if I remember correctly.
Soon settled after the election was done and Trump became president.

Impeached twice
But not thrown out. The first impeachment was an utter failure and the second will follow the first.
Seems like impeachment is a democrat party tool instead of a serious procedure nowadays.

Calling the Georgia SOS and begging him to "find" more votes
Interfering with electoral certification (impeachable offense)
Riiiight, because the elections were fair and unbiased which of course they weren't
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 15, 2021, 04:37:18 AM
Biblical Moment is coming!!!

President Trump Declassifies Russia Collusion Documents — Coming as Soon as Friday
Author: Jim Hoft
14th January, 2021

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/breaking-president-trump-declassifies-russia-collusion-documents-sen-grassley-devin-nunes-given-copies/


What do you expect after these criminal records have been exposed?  Could Deep State high ranking officers escape from USA now?

Very well planned  ;)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 15, 2021, 09:34:17 AM
Biblical Moment is coming!!!

President Trump Declassifies Russia Collusion Documents — Coming as Soon as Friday
Author: Jim Hoft
14th January, 2021

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/breaking-president-trump-declassifies-russia-collusion-documents-sen-grassley-devin-nunes-given-copies/


What do you expect after these criminal records have been exposed?  Could Deep State high ranking officers escape from USA now?

Very well planned  ;)

I expect the MSM to cover it up and call it a "conspiracy theory".

Just like they did with Hunter Bidens laptop, China allegations and Ukraine allegations against the Bidens. As well as Joe Bidens brother war profiteering on the Afghanistan war.

When the "media" is controlled by white collar criminals, their puppets can commit crime with impunity.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 15, 2021, 10:25:38 AM
Confederate my Friend,
I heard from a Chinese source that a Lockheed EC-130J Commando Solo aeroplane begins to broadcast along East Coast of USA.  Turn on your TV39 Channel and AM/FM radio receiver.

https://www.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/104535/ec-130j-commando-solo/


PomPeo had told you on Parler last week.  There would be about 10 Days communication break.  Why are you still worried?  Pompeo and General Flynn are not ordinary executive officers.

Try to contact Trump Team on Telegram.
https://telegram.org/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 15, 2021, 01:34:11 PM
Sexual assault
Didn't happen. Was proven in court even.

Beauty Pageant scandals
Distasteful maybe, but bad president?

Racial housing discrimination
And trump also banned the critical race theory (which will soon be un-banned by the biden administration).
So looks like Trump isn't a racist if thats what you are implying.

Trump University
Trump Institute
Trump University/Trump institute actually sound like good things, who wouldn't want an education.

4 Bankruptcies (no, not normal)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_career_of_Donald_Trump#Business_bankruptcies

Looks like they filed for bankrupcy themselves to get a better deal from the banks.
Nice try though and according to the 'pedia there were 6 not 4.

Trump Foundation
Again, sounds like something any rich punter would do.

Hiring undocumented workers
Him and half of america that needed their houses cleaned.

Leaving hundreds of workers unpaid
When? Where?

Tenant intimidation

Quote from: money.cnn.com/2016
Trump tells a very different story in his book, The Art of the Deal. He described the renters as privileged, rich "yuppies" who benefited unfairly from rent-control. The rent Trump collected barely covered expenses. That's why he installed cheaper light bulbs and cut back, he wrote.

"If there's one thing I've learned about the rich, it's that they have a very low threshold for even the mildest discomfort," Trump wrote.

To be fair, these people had an unbelievably sweet deal: low-rent homes a short stroll away from Broadway theaters and Carnegie Hall. Dr. Richman paid $700 a month for Apartment 5C. Fashion designer Arnold Scaasi paid $985 for his mind-blowing, six-bedroom with killer views of the park.

In New York City, this is the stuff of legend. But the law protected them. Yet Trump kept up the pressure.


Riiiiight, good example of bad orange man there, how dare he try to get rid of those near-freeloaders.

Breaking casino rules
Quote from: edition.cnn.com/2017
The casino repeatedly failed to properly report gamblers who cashed out $10,000 or more in a single day, the government said.
Trump's casino ended up paying the Treasury Department a $477,000 fine in 1998 without admitting any liability under the Bank Secrecy Act.

Oooooh bad Trump, or was it actually the casino management and trump didn't even know about it until the court case itself.
Questions questions.



Antitrust violations
Buying $55,000 worth of his own book (against FEC rules)
Proven false by now, it was part of the anti-trump-election campaign if I remember correctly.
Soon settled after the election was done and Trump became president.

Impeached twice
But not thrown out. The first impeachment was an utter failure and the second will follow the first.
Seems like impeachment is a democrat party tool instead of a serious procedure nowadays.

Calling the Georgia SOS and begging him to "find" more votes
Interfering with electoral certification (impeachable offense)
Riiiight, because the elections were fair and unbiased which of course they weren't

You need to do more research on the things I've mentioed. Get away from Wiki.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 15, 2021, 04:08:29 PM
BLM/Antifa member arrested for participating in the Capito riots.

https://catholicsfortruth.us/archives/3714
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: tfcrew on January 15, 2021, 04:09:15 PM
President Trump had a chance over the summer to use special forces to break up the riots in Portland, Seattle and elsewhere, arrest their leaders and also arrest and prosecute Democrat leaders who were formenting the insurrection and financing it.
He would have been damned either way that he could have gone with that. The media is definitely in control. Biden didn't win....America lost :drunk:   
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 15, 2021, 04:48:06 PM
President Trump had a chance over the summer to use special forces to break up the riots in Portland, Seattle and elsewhere, arrest their leaders and also arrest and prosecute Democrat leaders who were formenting the insurrection and financing it.
He would have been damned either way that he could have gone with that. The media is definitely in control. Biden didn't win....America lost :drunk:

No he would not have been "damned"

He should have signed the insurrection act May, 2020, suspended habeas corpus and shut down CNN, MSNBC and any other Democrats instigating violence.

Was the press going to piss and moan if they could? They already did that and worse.

This country will never heal until the Billionaires who control the press are arrested for sedition and the country gets 90 days minimum without any national news whatsoever.

Lincoln had testicles and did the right thing. Did they murder him? Yes. But first he did the right thing.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 15, 2021, 04:52:56 PM
Sexual assault
Didn't happen. Was proven in court even.

Beauty Pageant scandals
Distasteful maybe, but bad president?

Racial housing discrimination
And trump also banned the critical race theory (which will soon be un-banned by the biden administration).
So looks like Trump isn't a racist if thats what you are implying.

Trump University
Trump Institute
Trump University/Trump institute actually sound like good things, who wouldn't want an education.

4 Bankruptcies (no, not normal)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_career_of_Donald_Trump#Business_bankruptcies

Looks like they filed for bankrupcy themselves to get a better deal from the banks.
Nice try though and according to the 'pedia there were 6 not 4.

Trump Foundation
Again, sounds like something any rich punter would do.

Hiring undocumented workers
Him and half of america that needed their houses cleaned.

Leaving hundreds of workers unpaid
When? Where?

Tenant intimidation

Quote from: money.cnn.com/2016
Trump tells a very different story in his book, The Art of the Deal. He described the renters as privileged, rich "yuppies" who benefited unfairly from rent-control. The rent Trump collected barely covered expenses. That's why he installed cheaper light bulbs and cut back, he wrote.

"If there's one thing I've learned about the rich, it's that they have a very low threshold for even the mildest discomfort," Trump wrote.

To be fair, these people had an unbelievably sweet deal: low-rent homes a short stroll away from Broadway theaters and Carnegie Hall. Dr. Richman paid $700 a month for Apartment 5C. Fashion designer Arnold Scaasi paid $985 for his mind-blowing, six-bedroom with killer views of the park.

In New York City, this is the stuff of legend. But the law protected them. Yet Trump kept up the pressure.


Riiiiight, good example of bad orange man there, how dare he try to get rid of those near-freeloaders.

Breaking casino rules
Quote from: edition.cnn.com/2017
The casino repeatedly failed to properly report gamblers who cashed out $10,000 or more in a single day, the government said.
Trump's casino ended up paying the Treasury Department a $477,000 fine in 1998 without admitting any liability under the Bank Secrecy Act.

Oooooh bad Trump, or was it actually the casino management and trump didn't even know about it until the court case itself.
Questions questions.



Antitrust violations
Buying $55,000 worth of his own book (against FEC rules)
Proven false by now, it was part of the anti-trump-election campaign if I remember correctly.
Soon settled after the election was done and Trump became president.

Impeached twice
But not thrown out. The first impeachment was an utter failure and the second will follow the first.
Seems like impeachment is a democrat party tool instead of a serious procedure nowadays.

Calling the Georgia SOS and begging him to "find" more votes
Interfering with electoral certification (impeachable offense)
Riiiight, because the elections were fair and unbiased which of course they weren't

You need to do more research on the things I've mentioed. Get away from Wiki.

Take your own advice.

Bidens major "accomplishment"? A crime bill which overwhelmingly punished blacks and other inner city minorities.

Kamala Harris? A very similar record.

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/election/presidential-election/article244639912.html

Those two clowns are going to heal America??
 
    :ROFL:       :ROFL:          :ROFL:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on January 15, 2021, 05:21:32 PM

You need to do more research on the things I've mentioed. Get away from Wiki.
Right, so I beat you hands down on facts with quoting sources and this is the best what you can come up with?

Thanks for wasting my time. Btw, wiki and cnn and other leftist-preferred media as usual since
I didn't want you to throw up the "source" as contested. Still did though so I could have saved myself the trouble there.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: tfcrew on January 15, 2021, 05:45:44 PM
You need to do more research on the things I've mentioed. Get away from Wiki.
Yeah... and go to CNN for your disinfo :coffeeread: [just don't forget your shovel] 

This country will never heal until the Billionaires who control the press are arrested for sedition and the country gets 90 days minimum without any national news whatsoever.
What ever you're smoking...pass it around.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 15, 2021, 06:22:38 PM
This country will never heal until the Billionaires who control the press are arrested for sedition and the country gets 90 days minimum without any national news whatsoever.


Trump knew about the media and D.C corruption. He gave this speech BEFORE the 2016 elections. Trump KNEW the truth and I can't see him turning this government over to a corrupt people. He loves this country too much.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on January 15, 2021, 06:38:53 PM

Trump knew about the media and D.C corruption. He gave this speech BEFORE the 2016 elections. Trump KNEW the truth and I can't see him turning this government over to a corrupt people. He loves this country too much.


This is correct. This is far from over and is about to get really interesting
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 15, 2021, 08:10:34 PM

You need to do more research on the things I've mentioed. Get away from Wiki.
Right, so I beat you hands down on facts with quoting sources and this is the best what you can come up with?

Thanks for wasting my time. Btw, wiki and cnn and other leftist-preferred media as usual since
I didn't want you to throw up the "source" as contested. Still did though so I could have saved myself the trouble there.

Take a closer look at Trump University, Trump Institute and the Trump Foundation.

Tenant intimidation -

1981, Trump scooped up a building on Central Park South, reasoning that the existing structure was a dump, but the land it was on would be a great place for luxury condos. Trump’s problem was that the existing tenants were—understandably and predictably—unwilling to let go of their rent-controlled apartments on Central Park. Trump used every trick in the book to get them out. He tried to reverse exceptions the previous landlord had given to knock down walls, threatening eviction. Tenants said he cut off heat and hot water. Building management refused to make repairs; two tenants swore in court that mushrooms grew on their carpet from a leak. Perhaps Trump’s most outlandish move was to place newspaper ads offering to house homeless New Yorkers in empty units—since, as Trump wrote in The Art of the Deal, he didn’t intend to fill units with permanent residents anyway. City officials turned him down, saying the idea did not seem appropriate. Typically, Trump also sued tenants for $150 million when they complained.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/donald-trump-scandals/474726/

Unpaid workers -

https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/columnists/mike-kelly/2020/01/24/donald-trump-still-owes-money-to-contractors-who-built-taj-mahal-atlantic-city/4547037002/

Breaking casino rules -

Trump has been repeatedly fined for breaking rules related to his operation of casinos. In 1990, with Trump Taj Mahal in trouble, Trump’s father Fred strolled in and bought 700 chips worth a total of $3.5 million. The purchase helped the casino pay debt that was due, but because Fred Trump had no plans to gamble, the New Jersey gaming commission ruled that it was a loan that violated operating rules. Trump paid a $30,000 fine; in the end, the loan didn’t prevent a bankruptcy the following year. As noted above, New Jersey also fined Trump $200,000 for arranging to keep black employees away from mafioso Robert LiButti’s gambling table. In 1991, the Casino Control Commission fined Trump’s company another $450,000 for buying LiButti nine luxury cars. And in 2000, Trump was fined $250,000 for breaking New York state law in lobbying to prevent an Indian casino from opening in the Catskills, for fear it would compete against his Atlantic City casinos.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/donald-trump-scandals/474726/

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 15, 2021, 08:54:19 PM
Seems even the far-right think Qanon believers are gullible.

Ben Collins
Fri, January 15, 2021, 2:50 PM
Online far-right movements are splintering in the wake of last week’s Capitol riot, as some radical anti-government movements show signs of disillusionment with the relatively hands-off approach of some QAnon conspiracy theorists amid warnings of future violence.

Users on forums that openly helped coordinate the Jan. 6 riot and called for insurrection, including 4chan and TheDonald, have become increasingly agitated with QAnon supporters, who are largely still in denial that President Donald Trump will no longer be in the Oval Office after Jan. 20.

QAnon adherents, who believe Trump is secretly saving the world from a cabal of child-eating Satanists, have identified Inauguration Day as a last stand, and falsely think he will force a 10-day, countrywide blackout that ends in the mass execution of his political enemies and a second Trump term.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/online-far-movements-fracture-wake-215000078.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 15, 2021, 10:27:47 PM

You need to do more research on the things I've mentioed. Get away from Wiki.
Right, so I beat you hands down on facts with quoting sources and this is the best what you can come up with?

Thanks for wasting my time. Btw, wiki and cnn and other leftist-preferred media as usual since
I didn't want you to throw up the "source" as contested. Still did though so I could have saved myself the trouble there.

To be blunt he or she was mostly a waste of time somewhere else.

He/she has some nerve to mention wiki because he or she once put up an exact quote from wikipedia and pretended it was her own words.

I don't know which one is writing messages here because moby referred to him/her as mary.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 15, 2021, 10:35:41 PM
You need to do more research on the things I've mentioed. Get away from Wiki.
Yeah... and go to CNN for your disinfo :coffeeread: [just don't forget your shovel] 

This country will never heal until the Billionaires who control the press are arrested for sedition and the country gets 90 days minimum without any national news whatsoever.
What ever you're smoking...pass it around.

Are you trying to be funny?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 15, 2021, 11:23:06 PM
This is far from over and is about to get really interesting


I don't know if this was done on purpose or by accident but Mike Lindell held important papers in his hand that photographers could shoot. Sidney Powell was on it. I knew fake news was lying when they said Trump didn't want to have anything to do with her. It also names a new acting CIA leader. Sounds good because CIA director Gina Haspel has been missing for a couple of months now. Trump is still at hard at work! He did say there'd be a new administration. He's not lying.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/breaking-mike-lindell-visits-trump-white-house-media-captures-pictures-notes-president-referring-crimes-insurrection-act/

Seems even the far-right think Qanon believers are gullible.


If I read Q posts a few months ago, I'd agree. Q is said to be a group of military intelligence personnel and a quantum super computer some believe has artificial intelligence. Some say the computer's name is Kraken. Q started dropping hints 3 years ago. They said the first marker will be 10.3 which translates to November 3rd. Then they predicted a series of events with the first event being Trump is going to get banned from twitter. The Q Anon followers have made incorrect predictions and claims off Q's intelligence leaks to which people said they're conspiracy theorists but now here today they celebrate as the intelligence drops come true as it points out to the current events unfolding. I'm starting to be a believer and that our military has known for a long time about our government, has a plan and has helped prepare the public for what is about to happen.


QAnon adherents, ..... falsely think he will force a 10-day, countrywide blackout that ends in the mass execution of his political enemies and a second Trump term.[/i]


I believe Q Anon followers have made an incorrect prediction as the journalist in the article claims. Q said we'd enter 10 days of darkness. I don't believe it's a blackout of the entire nation.  I believe Jan 6th was the day the darkness began when Trump supporters felt all is lost and there is no hope. It's been quiet for over a week and people are still lost and confused. 10 days of darkness are almost up and the light will shine as bombshell evidence is released and action will be taken soon after.


After doing some research, I conclude the last American president with a pure heart that we had before Trump showed up is in the video below.





Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 16, 2021, 01:56:44 AM
Enjoy this break from the BS... :laugh:

       
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 16, 2021, 02:13:38 AM
         
Title: Inviting you into a Trap
Post by: LoyalMan on January 16, 2021, 02:39:33 AM
American Friends,
Video taken in Washington DC!  The fences do not look like blocking people from outside.  They look like that these are to prevent Deep State officers from escaping!

In our wisdom, it is called "Inviting you into a Trap"!  HAHAHAAA!!!

Watch carefully by yourself.  No comment.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 16, 2021, 02:50:33 AM
Enjoy this break from the BS... :laugh:

       
Have you ever bought one for your woman and helped her to shave her pubic before she shows up in public?  ;)
Title: Brandishing notes about Martial Law & Insurrection Act seen at White House
Post by: LoyalMan on January 16, 2021, 10:40:10 AM
Daily Mail, UK
By Geoff Earle, Deputy U.S. Political Editor and Keith Griffith
Published: 15th January 2021

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9153263/Donald-Trump-holds-talks-MyPillow-CEO-Mike-Lindell-brandishes-notes-MARTIAL-LAW.html

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/15/23/38067410-9153263-image-a-44_1610754428863.jpg)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 16, 2021, 01:54:56 PM
We are living in a historic time and amazingly, most people don't know it. What is about to happen will be one of the greatest stories ever told and we are blessed to witness it with minimal bloodshed. We have been in a war for decades and it's about to end with the good guys winning. Some of the bad actors are businesses, intelligence agencies, banks, individuals and governments around the world. They don't care about our political leanings, religious beliefs, or rights as citizens of the World. They only care about money and power and maintain the status quo with a tighter grip on us by corrupting as much people in positions of power as they can.

Mike Lindell is the CEO of MyPillow, a company that makes pillows. There's no reason for him to have access to the document he was photographed with so it was done on purpose with certain words blacked out with a marker which aren't to be revealed. The purpose was to show us, the people of the world what Trump just did signing that paper. The media today is failing to run with a bombshell this big but I suspect Biden, Congress and SCOTUS were given what Trump signed but they are colluding with the media to keep it quiet.

It's quite possible the 10 days of darkness isn't here yet and will begin in a day or two when Trump releases evidence which will include witness testimony. This isn't about just election fraud. It's about crimes against humanity and the world will be shocked but this evidence must be revealed so that we have no doubt and we will be united to stop this evil. Don't get caught sleeping because Trump won't let you. As you can read from the document Mr. Lindell was holding, Trump can invoke Marshal law at the first hint of any 'violence'(is a missing word and there may be more). That means the military will be in control of the United States with Trump as it's commander in chief. Who knows? Maybe Marshal law has already been declared and we have a military government in charge right now with the civilian government and courts rendered powerless. If Biden, others, and a SCOTUS judge tries to inaugurate Biden to be President Jan 20th, they can be charged with attempting to overthrow the American government. This masterful plan that ends down to the wire allows corrupt people one last time to hang themselves.

I don't use social media but after the elections, I decided to search for answers. Out of millions of people that posts information and disinformation, I found the few that has access to legitimate military sources. They are Brits and Americans. There could be others speaking another language that I don't know about. American military intelligence have chosen people that can be considered conspiracy theorists such as Charlie Ward, Simon Parkes, and Alex Jones. Alex Jones was chosen decades ago to put out the info that they wanted. I can only assume conspiracy theorists were chosen because they may be closer to the truth about what goes on and enough people will buy into it but they can also easily be dismissed by the enemy so the public won't buy into what they're saying.

Although this covert war has been going on for decades, it was supposed to end with the US military overthrowing Obama in 2015 after they discovered his evil plans that were to be continued into the Hillary administration. Enough was enough but they found someone and decided to wait. They spied on Trump and found him to be a good man who truly loves the country. He had the personality and popularity to win the Presidency so with cyberwarfare, they thwarted a plan by Obama and Hillary to cheat in the 2016 election. Now that Trump has entered this decades long war he is part of a U.S. military sting operation of biblical proportions to conclude it. In a nutshell, Trump and the U.S. military is going to save the world because we were close to losing it to the bad guys under their Great Reset initiative. Instead, Trump will give us the Great Awakening.

I believe Trump will take over all tv, radio, and internet soon in America. He may even take over the world's communications so that everybody in the World can be educated on what has been going on. Trump wants everybody focused on the evidence he's about to present. There's could be 10 days of reveals so be prepared to have limited or no communications with loved ones. Hopefully there isn't panic but just in case, stock up on food and drinks today. If you live in America, buy toilet paper while you still can.

When this is over, we will wake up into a new world that's getting an overhaul. America will have a new government and court system when this is over. We will be taking preventive measures so it's not so easy for people in power can be corrupted to the point we almost lost our country. They will be watched and be held accountable quickly should they commit crimes against We The People. The Marshal law Trump will declare may be worldwide so our military will also be making arrests of foreign politicians and other important people. Thousands of military units planted around the world are waiting for orders before acting. While Trump will be cleaning up America's government and arresting those involved in taking over America, not all corrupt people in governments will be arrested since they didn't participate in crimes against America. People around the world will have to unite to clean up their own governments. I have heard 95% of the UK's politicians are corrupted at some level. Foreign and domestic powers around the world, especially China, have been quite successful in corrupting politicians in our nation and getting us to believe they are not our enemy.

Q, U.S. military intelligence, made around 4500 intelligence drops over the last 3 years. In early December, 2020 when it was becoming clear State and local governments and courts were not going to do anything pertaining to correcting election fraud, Q(U.S. military intelligence) made one last post on the internet before disappearing and focusing on competing their work. This video is Q's last post and although it gets removed from social media when discovered, patriots keep reposting to send a message. I hope it brings as big a smile to your face as it did mine.


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 16, 2021, 04:21:52 PM
So what’s the parallel in the dark arts of communication? Simple: Don’t let the chronic liars cash in on their dishonesty. Press secretaries like Joe Lockhart, Ari Fleischer and Jay Carney, who left the White House with their reputations in various stages of intact, made millions taking their skills — and credibility — to corporate America. Trump’s liars don’t merit that same golden parachute. Let it be known to the business world: Hire any of Trump’s fellow fabulists above, and Forbes will assume that everything your company or firm talks about is a lie. We’re going to scrutinize, double-check, investigate with the same skepticism we’d approach a Trump tweet. Want to ensure the world’s biggest business media brand approaches you as a potential funnel of disinformation? Then hire away.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllane/2021/01/07/a-truth-reckoning-why-were-holding-those-who-lied-for-trump-accountable/?sh=17d901fc5710
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 16, 2021, 04:23:25 PM
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 16, 2021, 06:27:28 PM
So what’s the parallel in the dark arts of communication? Simple: Don’t let the chronic liars cash in on their dishonesty. Press secretaries like Joe Lockhart, Ari Fleischer and Jay Carney, who left the White House with their reputations in various stages of intact, made millions taking their skills — and credibility — to corporate America. Trump’s liars don’t merit that same golden parachute. Let it be known to the business world: Hire any of Trump’s fellow fabulists above, and Forbes will assume that everything your company or firm talks about is a lie. We’re going to scrutinize, double-check, investigate with the same skepticism we’d approach a Trump tweet. Want to ensure the world’s biggest business media brand approaches you as a potential funnel of disinformation? Then hire away.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllane/2021/01/07/a-truth-reckoning-why-were-holding-those-who-lied-for-trump-accountable/?sh=17d901fc5710

More gleeful partisan politics and cancel culture from our resident Bulshevik Marxist mary.

Now let's examine the real facts and costs to the business climate and the stock market of letting only one party proclaim what is true.

Quote

We all condemn the violence at the Capitol,” Justin pointed out. “But if we’re talking about inciting violence, President Obama’s rhetoric against the police led to five law enforcement officers gunned down in Dallas. Should we go back and try to [impeach] Obama for that? I don’t think so.”

He noted that it was Nancy Pelosi who claimed the election was “hijacked” in 2016, and that members of her party also claimed the 2004 election was stolen
.

And:

At the behest of the Chinese Communist Party, Apple – of course – deletes many apps from its app store, largely news apps, at the behest of the Chinese Communist Party. And, specifically, they deleted apps that the freedom fighters in Hong Kong were using to communicate and to get information and to get news…

So clearly, in China, Apple is operating as an extra-governmental arm of the Chinese Communist Party – acting at the behest of the communists to do what they want. Well, we have folks like Nancy Pelosi and AOC, Kamala Harris in the United States calling on Twitter and Facebook and others to ban President Trump.  And to take down Parler.

And what are they doing? They’re honoring those requests.

This creates a dangerous situation for transforming free speech protections and the open discussion of news and ideas in America. And the impact has been seen on Wall Street.

Twitter’s permanent ban of President Trump led to a dramatic loss of share value for the company. The company’s political decision has hurt it financially, putting investors at risk:

Lawsuits should abound from shareholders.

Because boards of directors and management – their job, under state law, is to act as a steward for shareholders. That is their legal obligation. They are not to act as an extra-governmental arm of one party of another.


https://nationalcenter.org/ncppr/2021/01/14/big-techs-liberal-appeasement-puts-investors-at-risk/?utm_source=The+National+Center&utm_campaign=ea55891f10-big-techs-liberal-appeasement-puts-investors-&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6a1e22842e-ea55891f10-159380738
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 16, 2021, 08:37:34 PM

We all condemn the violence at the Capitol,” Justin pointed out. “But if we’re talking about inciting violence, President Obama’s rhetoric against the police led to five law enforcement officers gunned down in Dallas. Should we go back and try to [impeach] Obama for that? I don’t think so.”

He noted that it was Nancy Pelosi who claimed the election was “hijacked” in 2016, and that members of her party also claimed the 2004 election was stolen
.

And:

At the behest of the Chinese Communist Party, Apple – of course – deletes many apps from its app store, largely news apps, at the behest of the Chinese Communist Party. And, specifically, they deleted apps that the freedom fighters in Hong Kong were using to communicate and to get information and to get news…

So clearly, in China, Apple is operating as an extra-governmental arm of the Chinese Communist Party – acting at the behest of the communists to do what they want. Well, we have folks like Nancy Pelosi and AOC, Kamala Harris in the United States calling on Twitter and Facebook and others to ban President Trump.  And to take down Parler.

And what are they doing? They’re honoring those requests.

This creates a dangerous situation for transforming free speech protections and the open discussion of news and ideas in America. And the impact has been seen on Wall Street.

Twitter’s permanent ban of President Trump led to a dramatic loss of share value for the company. The company’s political decision has hurt it financially, putting investors at risk:

Lawsuits should abound from shareholders.

Because boards of directors and management – their job, under state law, is to act as a steward for shareholders. That is their legal obligation. They are not to act as an extra-governmental arm of one party of another.

https://nationalcenter.org/ncppr/2021/01/14/big-techs-liberal-appeasement-puts-investors-at-risk/?utm_source=The+National+Center&utm_campaign=ea55891f10-big-techs-liberal-appeasement-puts-investors-&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_6a1e22842e-ea55891f10-159380738

Confederate makes some interesting points. He is correct on many points, sadly I might add.

But I suspect few shareholders will launch suits and in fact they will face an uphill battle because management will hide behind the reality they were doing what they think is best for the shareholder.

Danchik and I have noted before that as opposed to the Oligarchy of Russia the United States is a Corporatocracy
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 16, 2021, 09:13:21 PM
We are living in a historic time and amazingly, most people don't know it. What is about to happen will be one of the greatest stories ever told and we are blessed to witness it with minimal bloodshed. We have been in a war for decades and it's about to end with the good guys winning. Some of the bad actors are businesses, intelligence agencies, banks, individuals and governments around the world. They don't care about our political leanings, religious beliefs, or rights as citizens of the World. They only care about money and power and maintain the status quo with a tighter grip on us by corrupting as much people in positions of power as they can.

. . .

It's quite possible the 10 days of darkness isn't here yet and will begin in a day or two when Trump releases evidence which will include witness testimony. This isn't about just election fraud. It's about crimes against humanity and the world will be shocked but this evidence must be revealed so that we have no doubt and we will be united to stop this evil. Don't get caught sleeping because Trump won't let you. As you can read from the document Mr. Lindell was holding, Trump can invoke Marshal law at the first hint of any 'violence'(is a missing word and there may be more). That means the military will be in control of the United States with Trump as it's commander in chief. Who knows? Maybe Marshal law has already been declared and we have a military government in charge right now with the civilian government and courts rendered powerless. If Biden, others, and a SCOTUS judge tries to inaugurate Biden to be President Jan 20th, they can be charged with attempting to overthrow the American government. This masterful plan that ends down to the wire allows corrupt people one last time to hang themselves.

. . .

Although this covert war has been going on for decades, it was supposed to end with the US military overthrowing Obama in 2015 after they discovered his evil plans that were to be continued into the Hillary administration. Enough was enough but they found someone and decided to wait. They spied on Trump and found him to be a good man who truly loves the country. He had the personality and popularity to win the Presidency so with cyberwarfare, they thwarted a plan by Obama and Hillary to cheat in the 2016 election. Now that Trump has entered this decades long war he is part of a U.S. military sting operation of biblical proportions to conclude it. In a nutshell, Trump and the U.S. military is going to save the world because we were close to losing it to the bad guys under their Great Reset initiative. Instead, Trump will give us the Great Awakening.

I believe Trump will take over all tv, radio, and internet soon in America. He may even take over the world's communications so that everybody in the World can be educated on what has been going on. Trump wants everybody focused on the evidence he's about to present. There's could be 10 days of reveals so be prepared to have limited or no communications with loved ones. Hopefully there isn't panic but just in case, stock up on food and drinks today. If you live in America, buy toilet paper while you still can.

When this is over, we will wake up into a new world that's getting an overhaul. America will have a new government and court system when this is over. We will be taking preventive measures so it's not so easy for people in power can be corrupted to the point we almost lost our country. They will be watched and be held accountable quickly should they commit crimes against We The People. The Marshal law Trump will declare may be worldwide so our military will also be making arrests of foreign politicians and other important people. Thousands of military units planted around the world are waiting for orders before acting. While Trump will be cleaning up America's government and arresting those involved in taking over America, not all corrupt people in governments will be arrested since they didn't participate in crimes against America. People around the world will have to unite to clean up their own governments. I have heard 95% of the UK's politicians are corrupted at some level. Foreign and domestic powers around the world, especially China, have been quite successful in corrupting politicians in our nation and getting us to believe they are not our enemy.

. . .

BillyB, Sorry to abbreviate your post but I dislike long posts.

Either you are the smartest poster on the forum or you are going to be ridiculed for the rest of your posting history. Only a MSMoby style dodge will assist you if the sun rises on the 21st with J. Biden in the White House.

My suggestion start back peddling sooner rather than latter.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 16, 2021, 10:57:24 PM
My suggestion start back peddling sooner rather than latter.


Read Manny's signature line. I still stand by that Dec 14th statement. I have $350 in bets that Trump will be our President the next 4 years. My confidence is high. Biden may fake an inauguration but it won't be legit since the military is in charge of the nation which means politicians and judges are powerless to inaugurate Biden. I'm not sure when the military will arrest Biden before or after the fake inauguration but he will be doing time behind bars. There is a chance the worldwide internet and this forum may go down for 10 days soon as Trump presents facts to the world. If that happens, lets discuss after it's back up. We'll have lots to talk about. There would be enough evidence presented to convince us what really is going on but much more will be presented later. There's around 200,000 signed indictments sitting on a table which means a lot of people are going to jail. It's quite possible 80% of the politicians in the American government will be arrested when this is over. Judges at the highest levels will be sitting in jail for the rest of their lives too.

Here's a few fun facts

President H.W. Bush entered a major war a little over a year after he was elected. His popularity went up due to it. During the 1992 Presidential debates, Ross Perot insinuated Bush told Iraq they could attack Kuwait.

A year after Bill Clinton was elected, the first World Trade Center bombing happened with the truck bomb parked near columns so that one tower would fall into the other. Attack did not achieve success. Years later special operation forces notified D.C that they had Obama Bin Laden in their sites but Bill told them to stand down.

Shortly after George Bush was elected, 9/11 happened which resulted in war and the increased approval rating of Bush.

Obama entered the presidency with America already in too many wars so he reset relations with Russia which opened the door for Hillary to sell 20% of America's Uranium to Russia. Hillary was supposed to become president after Obama and a Pearl Harbor/9/11 event would happen when a dirty nuke blows up an American city. Hillary would lead us into war with Russia and history books would have nice things to say about her at the expense of millions of lives.


This video got banned on youtube since it was put out by the Q movement but it basically describes the forced reality we live in and a couple of years ago predicted the bad guys causing the problems will soon be eradicated from the earth. It's a good watch so open your mind so it'll lessen the shock when reality changes in front of your eyes and you wake up into a whole new world.

https://rumble.com/vbd957-q-the-plan-to-save-the-world-1080p60.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 17, 2021, 04:22:09 AM
Summary of Chinese sources today:

U.S. Capitol Police was testing audible emergency notification system
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 17, 2021, 06:47:15 AM
My suggestion start back peddling sooner rather than latter.


Read Manny's signature line. I still stand by that Dec 14th statement. I have $350 in bets that Trump will be our President the next 4 years. My confidence is high. Biden may fake an inauguration but it won't be legit since the military is in charge of the nation which means politicians and judges are powerless to inaugurate Biden. I'm not sure when the military will arrest Biden before or after the fake inauguration but he will be doing time behind bars. There is a chance the worldwide internet and this forum may go down for 10 days soon as Trump presents facts to the world. If that happens, lets discuss after it's back up. We'll have lots to talk about. There would be enough evidence presented to convince us what really is going on but much more will be presented later. There's around 200,000 signed indictments sitting on a table which means a lot of people are going to jail. It's quite possible 80% of the politicians in the American government will be arrested when this is over. Judges at the highest levels will be sitting in jail for the rest of their lives too.
:Zzzzsleep:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 17, 2021, 09:13:36 AM


Q Anon(Q's followers) have been trying to decipher clues for years and Q understood they would lose their followers if they didn't deliver results so Q also gave clues not related to their plan one being Trump using military funds to build the wall before Trump decided to use military funds to build the wall to keep their followers hooked.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is their go to guy now for answers since Q's last post was made Dec 8. It's a video I previously posted. I questioned if Q Anons are being duped by the CIA to go on a wild Goose chase but Pompeo is not CIA, he's on Trump's team and has insider knowledge of what is going on. Pompeo has been tweeting strangely lately. He'd be tweeting in exact 30 minute increments and Q Anons also pays attention to any words or numbers and photos Pompeo posts. Here is an example of a Pompeo tweet today.

https://twitter.com/SecPompeo/status/1350805075690708993

The Anons examine the tweet and concluded the numbers on the two ships in the photo are 104 and 113 and is relevant so they go back to Q's posts made over 3 years ago and send their findings to the world. Of course Q Anons have been censored more than Trump supporters so it doesn't go far. In the link below is Q's posts 104 and 113 that Pompeo is telling us to look at.  Post 104 says it's time to pray, we are operational and God bless the USA. Post 113 asks us to look at the shareholders in the media, social media, and investors in Fox News. Yes they knew Fox News was going to be shifting to the left since 2017 or earlier. They ask if Operation Mockingbird is active. Mockingbird is the codeword for MSM and many of us have figured out by now the media has been taken over and are now delivering propaganda. So with those two Q posts, it's seems operations have begun and Trump will be taking action against social media and media.

https://gab.com/Littllemel/posts/105571459305983956

One reason I'm spending a lot of time talking about it is so when Trump takes action, nobody accuses him of being a sore loser attempting a last minute coup to remain in power. This military sting has been planned for years and military intelligence understood how people would react so they needed proof to point back to to show it wasn't a spur of the moment thing. Q made around 4500 posts starting over 3 years ago to begin waking up the citizens of the world preparing for a day that is almost here.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 17, 2021, 09:23:55 AM
BillyB Q anon is deep state disinformation designed to give you confidence.

Chuck Schumer gets an earful from an outraged woman who has had enough of his lies.

         
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 17, 2021, 09:46:07 AM
Confederate,
Pompeo's newest post "RED 6" - considered as a secret corresponding to Q Anon's Red Stage 6!

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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 17, 2021, 10:07:46 AM
Benjamin de Rothschild (head of Edmond de Rothschild Holding SA) died at 57 following an "Heart Attack".

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/benjamin-rothschild-dies-holding-sa-switzerland

Rothschild family is considered a crucial member of the hidden secret World Order (Deep State).

57 year-old man is considered young in 21st century.  Also, heart and vessel diseases are considered non-lethal any more.

I also know that there is a toxic material which can trigger instant heart attack used by secret agent assassination.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 17, 2021, 10:26:56 AM
BillyB Q anon is deep state disinformation designed to give you confidence.


I dismissed them long ago but old posts of Q's are coming true. People needed to be patient. I found this video today which they attempt to show how they've connected the dots with the intelligence drops and real world events.

 If you start at the 7:30 mark, you will learn some things about  North Korea. The CIA and Deep State controls them, not Kim Jong Un, and although Trump was President and Obama was out of office, Obama visited North Korea in 2017 to discuss nukes Q claims. That seems unbelievable but remember, John Kerry who was out of office when Trump became President visited Iran to discuss nukes. It's seems they wanted to continue to run the show after being disappointed Hillary didn't win. Q also claimed during Obama's presidency, he helped NK develop nukes and miniaturize them. Since Hillary didn't become President, it's possible we will see a nuke go off in an American city IF Biden becomes President. If all these are facts and Trump knows it, he will not allow Biden to become President and he will eliminate the Deep State. We don't know the ending to the movie but the end to this movie is near.

http://www.bitchute.com/video/fC1lNfVMc3SI/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 17, 2021, 10:35:35 AM

If you notice at the beginning of the video I just posted which was made a few years ago, Q's slogan is "Where we go one, we go all". In the 2020 article below, CNN accused General Flynn of saying slogans and phrases of the Q movement. Remember, Gen Flynn was part of military intelligence and Obama went after him hard. Gen Flynn and Sec of State Pompeo are in Trump's inner circle and have shown hints of being connected to Q lately.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/politics/michael-flynn-qanon-video/index.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 17, 2021, 10:39:48 AM
Q Anon is a group of Upright American Military Elites which may include some Trump Team members!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 17, 2021, 10:41:00 AM

John McCain, a Republican, was Deep State too. Remember him being in the photo with some known terrorists? Check this video out. It stolen off his laptop after a hack.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 17, 2021, 10:46:51 AM
If you start at the 7:30 mark, you will learn some things about  North Korea. The CIA and Deep State controls them, not Kim Jong Un, and although Trump was President and Obama was out of office, Obama visited North Korea in 2017 to discuss nukes Q claims. That seems unbelievable but remember, John Kerry who was out of office when Trump became President visited Iran to discuss nukes. It's seems they wanted to continue to run the show after being disappointed Hillary didn't win. Q also claimed during Obama's presidency, he helped NK develop nukes and miniaturize them. Since Hillary didn't become President, it's possible we will see a nuke go off in an American city IF Biden becomes President. If all these are facts and Trump knows it, he will not allow Biden to become President and he will eliminate the Deep State. We don't know the ending to the movie but the end to this movie is near.

http://www.bitchute.com/video/fC1lNfVMc3SI/
Billy, but your claim seems too evil even to a very well prepared mind like me!

Why do Deep State and Obama want to control North Korea?
Why do they want to attack USA city with atomic bomb?

They themselves, their children and grand children live in USA!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 17, 2021, 06:54:51 PM
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 17, 2021, 07:47:18 PM
Wow! Those troops didn't seem enthusiastic with VP Pence speaking. Troops tend to treat Trump like a rock star and cheer loud for him. For the last few months, Pence ran around America telling people he would not stop fighting until every legal vote counted and every illegal vote was thrown out but in the end, he easily allowed for the count of fraudulent electors. There's also a group email that included Pence released discussing removing Trump as the Republican Presidential candidate and installing Pence as the candidate three weeks before the 2016 election so it's questionable Pence was truly loyal to Trump. I think some of them troops are not happy with Pence and have told other troops who don't follow the news the truth about Pence.

Pence is telling the truth that he's leaving. My prediction is General Flynn will be the next Vice President. Election fraud happened and the politicians involved can't legally hold public office per our Constitution based on their crimes. Democrats, Biden, and a SCOTUS judge may attempt an inauguration of Biden at the risk of committing more crimes.

Here's an intelligence drop made June 4, 2020. Red1 is Trump getting removed from twitter. Red4 is military units moving under the guise of riot control.

https://qalerts.app/?n=4414

Here's an intelligence drop from over 4 years ago. They hint who's in control and their worth. They hint they are Satan worshippers. Interestingly the last thing they posted was words of Putin's hinting Putin knows the truth too. There's a lot more at stake than our elections. Crimes against humanity are taking place. I don't believe Trump is going to allow it to stand.

https://qalerts.app/?n=133
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 17, 2021, 08:04:05 PM
My suggestion start back peddling sooner rather than latter.


Read Manny's signature line. I still stand by that Dec 14th statement. I have $350 in bets that Trump will be our President the next 4 years. My confidence is high. Biden may fake an inauguration but it won't be legit since the military is in charge of the nation which means politicians and judges are powerless to inaugurate Biden. I'm not sure when the military will arrest Biden before or after the fake inauguration but he will be doing time behind bars. There is a chance the worldwide internet and this forum may go down for 10 days soon as Trump presents facts to the world. If that happens, lets discuss after it's back up. We'll have lots to talk about. There would be enough evidence presented to convince us what really is going on but much more will be presented later. There's around 200,000 signed indictments sitting on a table which means a lot of people are going to jail. It's quite possible 80% of the politicians in the American government will be arrested when this is over. Judges at the highest levels will be sitting in jail for the rest of their lives too.

Here's a few fun facts

President H.W. Bush entered a major war a little over a year after he was elected. His popularity went up due to it. During the 1992 Presidential debates, Ross Perot insinuated Bush told Iraq they could attack Kuwait.

A year after Bill Clinton was elected, the first World Trade Center bombing happened with the truck bomb parked near columns so that one tower would fall into the other. Attack did not achieve success. Years later special operation forces notified D.C that they had Obama Bin Laden in their sites but Bill told them to stand down.

Shortly after George Bush was elected, 9/11 happened which resulted in war and the increased approval rating of Bush.

Obama entered the presidency with America already in too many wars so he reset relations with Russia which opened the door for Hillary to sell 20% of America's Uranium to Russia. Hillary was supposed to become president after Obama and a Pearl Harbor/9/11 event would happen when a dirty nuke blows up an American city. Hillary would lead us into war with Russia and history books would have nice things to say about her at the expense of millions of lives.


This video got banned on youtube since it was put out by the Q movement but it basically describes the forced reality we live in and a couple of years ago predicted the bad guys causing the problems will soon be eradicated from the earth. It's a good watch so open your mind so it'll lessen the shock when reality changes in front of your eyes and you wake up into a whole new world.

https://crooksandliars.com/2014/01/jfk-wished-he-could-splinter-cia-thousand


https://rumble.com/vbd957-q-the-plan-to-save-the-world-1080p60.html


BTW this is an excellent video which speaks the truth about who the real criminals are. If there's going to be a miracle, does it begin tomorrow or the morning of the 20th??
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 18, 2021, 03:46:31 AM
177 military vehicles passing through Acworth, Georgia last night
16th Jan 2021
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 18, 2021, 03:53:10 AM
I also heard a rumour that Junior John Kennedy is still alive.  He is also a member of Q Anon.

FBI disclosed a letter sent 20 years ago from Jr Kennedy to Joke Biden.  Jr Kennedy scolded Joke Biden as Traitor in that letter.

It seems that Jr Kennedy wanted to find out who (Deep State?!?) killed his father and uncle!

Confederate, any more information you can send me?!?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 18, 2021, 03:55:22 AM
National Guard Troops Arrive at Michigan`s Capitol
16th Jan 2021

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 18, 2021, 12:47:18 PM
The Actual Mission of Troops in Washington DC
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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 18, 2021, 02:58:13 PM
I hope all these inane posts end after Wednesday. 9
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 18, 2021, 03:32:19 PM
Q Anon(Q's followers) have been trying to decipher clues for years and Q understood they would lose their followers . . .

What surprised me is that some here have deciphered how to tie your own shoe laces.

Some are truly clueless.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 18, 2021, 04:34:05 PM
President Trump's former Attorney General Bill Barr called Mr Trump's legal team "clownish" and the president's claims that the election had been stolen from him "bull****," according to reporting by Axios.

This was during a December meeting in the White House that Mr Trump had asked Mr Barr to attend after seeing a story by the Associated Press that quoted Mr Barr as saying "we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election".

Mr Barr had been one of the most loyal members of Mr Trump’s administration, supporting his executive power at every turn and spinning the release of the Mueller report on Russian interference in the 2016 election in the best way possible for the president. But he would not go so far as to claim that there was widespread voter fraud when he couldn't see the evidence of it.

Despite his loyalty to the president, the relationship between Mr Barr and Mr Trump was silently falling apart, Axios writes. Mr Barr left his post on December 23.

Even Mr Trump's most loyal lieutenants thought that he had got too deep into the conspiracy theories and alternative reality espoused by his legal team led by Mr Trump's personal lawyer and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/bill-barr-trump-fraud-election-b1788956.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 18, 2021, 05:29:07 PM
 The above is just a reminder.  tiphat
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on January 18, 2021, 06:06:12 PM
Email Update from Mike Adams today:

I hope you're ready for some good news today. The situation may look dire, but today I bring you details on why it may yet turn out in our favor.

The military buildup in DC isn't about protecting Biden from protesters, it's about turning DC into a holding facility for upcoming military tribunals against the traitors who tried to overthrow America with rigged elections.

The US Marines are even being deployed there now, and 2,000 National Guard troops were just deputized today as US Marshals with arrest power.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-01-18-situation-update-jan-18-2021-trump-pathways-to-victory.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 18, 2021, 08:49:06 PM

Impeachment talks just suddenly died. It's apparent the corrupt establishment knows it almost over, they lost, and they better start playing nice. It's too late. They had their chance. Military tribunals await. Checkmate.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 18, 2021, 08:55:05 PM
As the clock ticked over into the first minutes of Nov. 4, Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani ranted to top campaign aides: "There's no way he lost; this thing must have been stolen. Just say we won Michigan! Just say we won Georgia! Just say we won the election! He needs to go out and claim victory." Trump’s campaign manager Bill Stepien later told associates: "That was  :censored: ing crazy."

For weeks, Trump had been laying the groundwork to declare victory on election night — even if he lost. But the real-time results, punctuated by Fox’s shocking call, upended his plans and began his unraveling.

Trump had planned for Americans to go to bed on Nov. 3 celebrating — or resigned to — his re-election. The maps they saw on TV should be bathed in red. But at 11:20 p.m. that vision fell apart, as the nation’s leading news channel among conservatives became the first outlet to call Arizona for Joe Biden. Inside the White House, Trump's inner circle erupted in horror.

Over the next two months, Trump took the nation down with him as he descended into denial, despair and a reckless revenge streak that fueled a deadly siege on the U.S. Capitol by his backers seeking to overturn the election. This triggered a constitutional crisis and a bipartisan push to impeach Trump on his way out the door, to try to cast him out of American politics for good.


https://www.axios.com/trump-election-premeditated-lie-ebaf4a1f-46bf-4c37-ba0d-3ed5536ef537.html

Good read.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 18, 2021, 08:59:02 PM

Impeachment talks just suddenly died. It's apparent the corrupt establishment knows it almost over, they lost, and they better start playing nice. It's too late. They had their chance. Military tribunals await. Checkmate.

If this were true, would Trump's aides and cabinet members be leaving as quickly as they are? The Senate isn't back in session until tomorrow, that's why it's been quiet.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 18, 2021, 09:25:55 PM
As the clock ticked over into the first minutes of Nov. 4, Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani ranted to top campaign aides: "There's no way he lost; this thing must have been stolen. Just say we won Michigan! Just say we won Georgia! Just say we won the election! He needs to go out and claim victory." Trump’s campaign manager Bill Stepien later told associates: "That was  :censored: ing crazy."

For weeks, Trump had been laying the groundwork to declare victory on election night — even if he lost. But the real-time results, punctuated by Fox’s shocking call, upended his plans and began his unraveling.

Trump had planned for Americans to go to bed on Nov. 3 celebrating — or resigned to — his re-election. The maps they saw on TV should be bathed in red. But at 11:20 p.m. that vision fell apart, as the nation’s leading news channel among conservatives became the first outlet to call Arizona for Joe Biden. Inside the White House, Trump's inner circle erupted in horror.

Over the next two months, Trump took the nation down with him as he descended into denial, despair and a reckless revenge streak that fueled a deadly siege on the U.S. Capitol by his backers seeking to overturn the election. This triggered a constitutional crisis and a bipartisan push to impeach Trump on his way out the door, to try to cast him out of American politics for good.


https://www.axios.com/trump-election-premeditated-lie-ebaf4a1f-46bf-4c37-ba0d-3ed5536ef537.html

Good read.

Lol. Ever since Trump became President, the media said he and his administration were dysfunctional and incompetent. Countless articles and books have been written about it. Trump and his trusted inner circle is and have always been geniuses. Why put down the man and his team when everything will be revealed soon?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 18, 2021, 09:33:27 PM
As the clock ticked over into the first minutes of Nov. 4, Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani ranted to top campaign aides: "There's no way he lost; this thing must have been stolen. Just say we won Michigan! Just say we won Georgia! Just say we won the election! He needs to go out and claim victory." Trump’s campaign manager Bill Stepien later told associates: "That was  :censored: ing crazy."

For weeks, Trump had been laying the groundwork to declare victory on election night — even if he lost. But the real-time results, punctuated by Fox’s shocking call, upended his plans and began his unraveling.

Trump had planned for Americans to go to bed on Nov. 3 celebrating — or resigned to — his re-election. The maps they saw on TV should be bathed in red. But at 11:20 p.m. that vision fell apart, as the nation’s leading news channel among conservatives became the first outlet to call Arizona for Joe Biden. Inside the White House, Trump's inner circle erupted in horror.

Over the next two months, Trump took the nation down with him as he descended into denial, despair and a reckless revenge streak that fueled a deadly siege on the U.S. Capitol by his backers seeking to overturn the election. This triggered a constitutional crisis and a bipartisan push to impeach Trump on his way out the door, to try to cast him out of American politics for good.


https://www.axios.com/trump-election-premeditated-lie-ebaf4a1f-46bf-4c37-ba0d-3ed5536ef537.html

Good read.

Lol. Ever since Trump became President, the media said he and his administration were dysfunctional and incompetent. Countless articles and books have been written about it. Trump and his trusted inner circle is and have always been geniuses. Why put down the man and his team when everything will be revealed soon?

Trump is anything BUT a genius. Everything was revealed on Jan. 6th. Trump's new approval rating - 29%
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 18, 2021, 11:06:22 PM
     Freedom of speech, what a concept!! Levin leaves Farce book and Twat.

         
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 18, 2021, 11:35:08 PM
The Senate isn't back in session until tomorrow, that's why it's been quiet.


So they'll be back in Congress tomorrow surrounded by a fence and tens of thousands of troops. NY Governor Cuomo decided against going to the inauguration citing safety concerns. At least he's got some brains.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 19, 2021, 12:03:33 AM

This general let the cat out of the bag. Oh well, he's National Guard and they aren't as good as active duty troops.

https://twitter.com/SAMcKay3/status/1351383582078545925
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 19, 2021, 12:43:39 AM

This general let the cat out of the bag. Oh well, he's National Guard and they aren't as good as active duty troops.

https://twitter.com/SAMcKay3/status/1351383582078545925

That interview clip was cut at a very opportune and out of context time.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on January 19, 2021, 12:53:05 AM
Now Trump is about to leave, there is an article in the Japan Times here giving a pretty accurate overview of his presidency as seen from the perspective of many abroad: Donald Trump: From the American dream to American nightmare (https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/01/19/world/politics-diplomacy-world/donald-trump-american-nightmare/)

I don’t agree with all of it, but it’s not a bad read.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 19, 2021, 05:21:19 AM
Emergency Broadcast System will be on for 72 hours!

Upright American Friends, congratulate to you!
You have elected a Knight fighting for our Freedom!
Every baby born in 21st Century will thank you!

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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 19, 2021, 07:11:58 AM
Now Trump is about to leave, there is an article in the Japan Times here giving a pretty accurate overview of his presidency as seen from the perspective of many abroad: Donald Trump: From the American dream to American nightmare (https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/01/19/world/politics-diplomacy-world/donald-trump-american-nightmare/)

I don’t agree with all of it, but it’s not a bad read.

That news source says Trump is about to leave and talks about his failures. My sources say Trump is serving a second term, explained why, and he will go down as one of the greatest American Presidents in history. MSM has the same access to my sources yet they continue to write a different narrative and lie to the world.


One of my favorite videos

http://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1327436666492112897


Q(US military intelligence) wrote this 3 years ago and said to remember this day. Keep in mind, they said remember the day, not the year. I guess they want to prove that Trump isn't taking action just because he lost the election. They knew he'd lose because the Democrats cheat and Trump's actions taken now were planned years ago.

http://qalerts.app/?n=562&src=rss


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on January 19, 2021, 08:08:13 AM
Now Trump is about to leave, there is an article in the Japan Times here giving a pretty accurate overview of his presidency as seen from the perspective of many abroad: Donald Trump: From the American dream to American nightmare (https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/01/19/world/politics-diplomacy-world/donald-trump-american-nightmare/)

I don’t agree with all of it, but it’s not a bad read.

Not even a good read IMHO unless you enjoy fiction. It's a targeted hack piece, cleverly done nonetheless. Too many accusations with few facts to back it up
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 19, 2021, 09:03:16 AM
Now Trump is about to leave, there is an article in the Japan Times here giving a pretty accurate overview of his presidency as seen from the perspective of many abroad: Donald Trump: From the American dream to American nightmare (https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/01/19/world/politics-diplomacy-world/donald-trump-american-nightmare/)

I don’t agree with all of it, but it’s not a bad read.

Not even a good read IMHO unless you enjoy fiction. It's a targeted hack piece, cleverly done nonetheless. Too many accusations with few facts to back it up

Some people have stocked up Twitter, Fackbook, Amazon, etc, at their highest prices.  They can't bear huge loss after President Trump de-register them as public internet companies.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 19, 2021, 09:15:41 AM
Trump will serve a 2nd term which will be longer than Roosevelt's.  This smokeless WAR is more complicated than 2nd World War.

Some mid-level American officers are discussing about how to drag Trump's new term into a failed presidency; while some foolish people (on this site as well) are still discussing how they could benefit from China Biden's policy!  HAHAHAHAA!!!

Do you ChiNazi lackeys feel shame when you watch yourselves in the Mirrors?!?!  ;)

Trump Team has saved USA from a Hot Civil War, and saved the World from a hot 3rd World War.


I begin to suspect Kin-singer has received a lot of fresh kids` hormone, and some pre-matched fresh live human organs harvested from healthy live humans.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 19, 2021, 09:24:30 AM
Email Update from Mike Adams today:

I hope you're ready for some good news today. The situation may look dire, but today I bring you details on why it may yet turn out in our favor.

The military buildup in DC isn't about protecting Biden from protesters, it's about turning DC into a holding facility for upcoming military tribunals against the traitors who tried to overthrow America with rigged elections.

The US Marines are even being deployed there now, and 2,000 National Guard troops were just deputized today as US Marshals with arrest power.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-01-18-situation-update-jan-18-2021-trump-pathways-to-victory.html
Hello American Friend,
I just thought you had joined the Oath Keeper and would be absent from this site for a long time!  ;)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 19, 2021, 12:01:04 PM
Now Trump is about to leave, there is an article in the Japan Times here giving a pretty accurate overview of his presidency as seen from the perspective of many abroad: Donald Trump: From the American dream to American nightmare (https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/01/19/world/politics-diplomacy-world/donald-trump-american-nightmare/)

I don’t agree with all of it, but it’s not a bad read.

That news source says Trump is about to leave and talks about his failures. My sources say Trump is serving a second term, explained why, and he will go down as one of the greatest American Presidents in history. MSM has the same access to my sources yet they continue to write a different narrative and lie to the world.

It's because they don't see the world through the eyes of a cult and, yes, Qanon is a cult. Trump's been letting it lead you around by the nose instead of denouncing them. He's complicit in the crime of insurection and should be spending time in prison. Fortunately, he and his family will be screwed for quite some time starting very soon.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 19, 2021, 09:16:04 PM
Trump isn't going to meet Biden. That means Trump isn't going to give Biden the nuclear football. So who's Trump going to give it to? Trump will step aside until the 'new administration' presents evidence to the American people and transfers that power back to the true President, Trump. Who is this new administration? Today Secretary Pompeo tweeted in 26 hrs people will be able to follow him on another twitter account. Strange he posted specifically 26 hrs but the 26th post from Q over 3 years ago said 11.3 or Nov 3 will be the first marker and mentions what the ONLY way will be as if they know other methods won't work. There may be a delay before the true winner is announced but it'll give mhr7 time to collect the money he'll be owning me.

http://qalerts.app/?n=26
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 19, 2021, 09:27:53 PM
Trump isn't going to meet Biden. That means Trump isn't going to give Biden the nuclear football. So who's Trump going to give it to? Trump will step aside until the 'new administration' presents evidence to the American people and transfers that power back to the true President, Trump. Who is this new administration? Today Secretary Pompeo tweeted in 26 hrs people will be able to follow him on another twitter account. Strange he posted specifically 26 hrs but the 26th post from Q over 3 years ago said 11.3 or Nov 3 will be the first marker and mentions what the ONLY way will be as if they know other methods won't work. There may be a delay before the true winner is announced but it'll give mhr7 time to collect the money he'll be owning me.

http://qalerts.app/?n=26

It's all over tomorrow.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 19, 2021, 09:58:23 PM

Although Gina Haspel is out of a job, nobody can interview her. Where is she? Executed? Who wrote the tweet on CIA's twitter? Somebody playing games to show dominance? It was tweeted out at 1:29 PM Eastern time and Q's post #129 over three years ago says the CIA's closing act will be it being dismantled because it's impossible to clean and the operation will be conducted by the NSA which is where Q is at.

https://gab.com/truthandlife/posts/105584875216060851

https://qalerts.app/?n=129

https://twitter.com/CIA/status/1351597676182302726
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 20, 2021, 12:29:21 AM
Planet Earth calling BillyB, Please return to terra firma.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on January 20, 2021, 03:30:23 AM
The 10th Mountain Division of USA Army has been identified in Washington today! (video)
https://gab.com/qalerts/posts/105585500995725965 (https://gab.com/qalerts/posts/105585500995725965)


If China Biden is in such danger that he needs 25,000 armed military forces to protect him in Washington DC, how come he didn't need any protection when he gave his "tearful farewell" in Delaware?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 20, 2021, 10:03:48 AM
Will Billy and LM stop with the nonsense now or do we need to wait a few more days?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 20, 2021, 10:18:58 AM
Billy, time to pay up!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on January 20, 2021, 10:46:59 AM
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on January 20, 2021, 02:13:50 PM
How much of the swamp did Team Trump drain and how many
of the GOP swampsters are thinking that they can fill it right back
up?

They've got Mittens Romney, Lizzard Cheney and plenty of Rino
republicans who can't wait to sell out the voters who put them
in office.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 20, 2021, 03:06:27 PM
Will Billy and LM stop with the nonsense now or do we need to wait a few more days?

I am sure that Billy will have some new fantasy about a renegade Trump hiding out and leading a secret army to take over the government. He'll be well informed by his usual sources as he stands in line with them to collect whatever meds he is on and they, their anti-psychotic drugs.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: tfcrew on January 20, 2021, 04:23:08 PM
Not sure where I saw this but here it is [again maybe]--------------
Quote
Trump Supporter Yells At Capitol Police While Protestors Are Storming Capitol
asks Capitol Police:"Why Are You Allowing This?"
This man is a True Patriot why isn't this video on every mainstream news network?
https://rumble.com/vd1eo1-trump-supporter-yells-at-capitol-police-while-protestors-are-storming-capit.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 20, 2021, 06:11:33 PM
Will Billy and LM stop with the nonsense now or do we need to wait a few more days?

Hopefully BillB will realize that the chicken has flown the coop. As for Loyal Man he will power post on, oblivious to others. Most of it is infantile drivel, but sometimes there is an interesting insight.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 20, 2021, 10:03:05 PM
Billy, time to pay up!


Whoa buddy! There's a few more things to sort out. If I lose, I intend to pay you and Moby who I also made a bet with.

The inauguration was illegal if the military was in charge. Two days ago in an interview the General in charge of the National Guard accidently slipped and said they are there for a peaceful transition to military power. He let the cat out of the bag. Video below. If the military is in charge of the country, the politicians and judges have no power and they certainly wouldn't have power to inaugurate Biden. A guy who does podcasts from Spain said he watched the inauguration 10 hrs before it went live in America. If true, the ceremony was pre recorded and took place before the Constitution allows which makes the inauguration invalid. Also Biden was sworn in 13 minutes before the Constitution allows so it if was taped and presented to America live, they got their timing wrong.

https://twitter.com/SAMcKay3/status/1351383582078545925


Also, the Supreme Court still has to hear cases and they have a say on who was legitimately elected if the military isn't in control. Three documents today and yesterday were submitted to the Supreme Court in this case.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docket/docketfiles/html/public%5C20-845.html


Some troops stood at attention but most troops turned their backs to Biden as his motorcade cruised down the road. Nobody saluted or cheered.

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/u-s-troops-turned-their-backs-to-biden-no-salutes-either


Biden announced Trump sent a letter to him and he will talk to Trump about it. Letter has been leaked. Trump kept it short and simple "Joe, you know I won."

https://twitter.com/cthennebry/status/1352021018194264065


Today Trump said he'll be back soon. Behind him were 17 flags. The 17th letter in the alphabet is Q. Here's an interesting speech by Trump. He's not happy.

https://twitter.com/FROGTrumpet/status/1351972612507922435
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 20, 2021, 10:40:21 PM
Billy, if you want to keep playing around with stupid bullshit, have at it. I don't. The bet was about who the next president would be and the next president is Biden. Pay up! I'm not taking the word of any twitter idiots or Q cultists. It's over.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 20, 2021, 11:39:59 PM
The bet was about who the next president would be


Exactly. If the military is in charge, there's no civilian or government official that can legally appoint Biden President. Take a look at the video in the link below. Biden had to fly into D.C on a civilian plane. Notice a couple of Presidential planes on the tarmac not being used? The crews of those planes have nothing better to do but be on standby? Of course there are important people to ferry right now but maybe those people are being rejected. Biden is the first president elect that had to fly to his inauguration on a civilian plane. The Air Force controls the President's planes. While Biden is allowed to act the part to show the world that there isn't an internal struggle in our government that our enemies can take advantage of, court battles or the military will settle the dispute. Judges seem corrupted so Biden may win there but I seriously doubt our military will allow Biden to remain President knowing he took bribes from China and cheated in an election with our enemies. The American people are more important than Biden.


https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-inauguration-dc-security-01-19-21/h_f6e4b15b3e30aa3fc972532fd5d01373
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 21, 2021, 12:45:17 AM
Billy perhaps you should read the link you posted.

"A White House official, meanwhile, said the Biden team did not ask for a government plane to bring Biden to DC. The official said the administration explained to the Biden team what the options were. But aides to Biden explained they preferred to fly on private aircraft, the official added."
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 21, 2021, 01:07:33 AM
The bet was about who the next president would be


Exactly. If the military is in charge, there's no civilian or government official that can legally appoint Biden President. Take a look at the video in the link below. Biden had to fly into D.C on a civilian plane. Notice a couple of Presidential planes on the tarmac not being used? The crews of those planes have nothing better to do but be on standby? Of course there are important people to ferry right now but maybe those people are being rejected. Biden is the first president elect that had to fly to his inauguration on a civilian plane. The Air Force controls the President's planes. While Biden is allowed to act the part to show the world that there isn't an internal struggle in our government that our enemies can take advantage of, court battles or the military will settle the dispute. Judges seem corrupted so Biden may win there but I seriously doubt our military will allow Biden to remain President knowing he took bribes from China and cheated in an election with our enemies. The American people are more important than Biden.


https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/biden-inauguration-dc-security-01-19-21/h_f6e4b15b3e30aa3fc972532fd5d01373

The military isn't in charge.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 21, 2021, 04:48:49 AM
It must be getting quite stressful for poor Billykins right now. I bet his wife is suffering!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 21, 2021, 09:21:38 AM
It must be getting quite stressful for poor Billykins right now. I bet his wife is suffering!

Pay up Billykins!!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: tfcrew on January 21, 2021, 09:45:26 AM
The military isn't in charge.
  (https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Smileys/DarkB/cheesy.gif)(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Smileys/DarkB/cheesy.gif)
The laughs on you-------------------
The Pentagon has been in charge since 1943.........
Quote
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
                     from President Dwight D. Eisenhower's Farewell Address (1961)

JFK failed to heed the warning....it cost him.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 21, 2021, 10:34:10 AM
It must be getting quite stressful for poor Billykins right now. I bet his wife is suffering!

Pay up Billykins!!  :chuckle:

I am sure that no paying up will take place, just as with most silly Internet bets about silly Internet stuff. He'll find excuse after excuse - and he will believe all of them and call himself an honest man.

I'd like to be wrong but I'd wager a lot of imaginary Internet money that I'm right.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 21, 2021, 10:53:07 AM
It must be getting quite stressful for poor Billykins right now. I bet his wife is suffering!

Pay up Billykins!!  :chuckle:

I am sure that no paying up will take place, just as with most silly Internet bets about silly Internet stuff. He'll find excuse after excuse - and he will believe all of them and call himself an honest man.

I'd like to be wrong but I'd wager a lot of imaginary Internet money that I'm right.

I will bet you 1,000 monopoly bucks, that Billy will pay up, within 45 days from today!!  :laugh:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 21, 2021, 11:27:53 AM
The military isn't in charge.
  (https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Smileys/DarkB/cheesy.gif)(https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Smileys/DarkB/cheesy.gif)
The laughs on you-------------------
The Pentagon has been in charge since 1943.........
Quote
In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
                     from President Dwight D. Eisenhower's Farewell Address (1961)

JFK failed to heed the warning....it cost him.

Central bankers and MIC warmongers love wars, and the fraudulent war on terror has been a big money maker for the crooks who really control this country.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/weary-of-war-trump-determined-to-bring-u-s-troops-home

https://www.stripes.com/news/us/trump-says-troops-love-him-attacks-top-brass-who-want-to-do-nothing-but-fight-wars-1.644216
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on January 21, 2021, 12:02:29 PM
Contrary to what Billy and others want or imagine, Biden appears to be president.

The corrupt BBC are gleefully documenting his executive orders reversing some of Trumps stuff: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55738746

This stood out:

Quote from: BBC
On immigration Mr Biden has revoked the Trump administration's emergency declaration that helped fund the building of a wall along the Mexican border and also ended a travel ban on some majority-Muslim countries.

Other orders cover race and gender equality.

I think it's a sad time for the US. The violence, rioting and division isn't healthy. That will damage tourism too.

Despite his boorishness, childishness, illiteracy, narcissism and bombastic nature, I think Trump was a pretty reasonable president. He was what the US needed (and probably still needs). The media never reported on much of the good stuff he did or the support he has inland away from the east and west coasts. He never started any wars, which is a big plus in my book. And why should a border wall be controversial? Countries need borders, right? A wall seems just logical.

So y'all have the decrepit old waxwork Biden now. For all intents and purposes, his politics seem to align with Tony Blair. Blair managed to single-handedly ruin the UK. The damage will take decades to undo and much of it cannot be reversed (opening of the immigration floodgates for example).

If Billy has made bets that Biden wouldn't be president, he should now pay up. If the situation happens to be reversed, he can claim a refund.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 21, 2021, 12:34:53 PM
Contrary to what Billy and others want or imagine, Biden appears to be president.

The corrupt BBC are gleefully documenting his executive orders reversing some of Trumps stuff: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55738746

This stood out:

Quote from: BBC
On immigration Mr Biden has revoked the Trump administration's emergency declaration that helped fund the building of a wall along the Mexican border and also ended a travel ban on some majority-Muslim countries.

Other orders cover race and gender equality.

I think it's a sad time for the US. The violence, rioting and division isn't healthy. That will damage tourism too.

Despite his boorishness, childishness, illiteracy, narcissism and bombastic nature, I think Trump was a pretty reasonable president. He was what the US needed (and probably still needs). The media never reported on much of the good stuff he did or the support he has inland away from the east and west coasts. He never started any wars, which is a big plus in my book. And why should a border wall be controversial? Countries need borders, right? A wall seems just logical.

So y'all have the decrepit old waxwork Biden now. For all intents and purposes, his politics seem to align with Tony Blair. Blair managed to single-handedly ruin the UK. The damage will take decades to undo and much of it cannot be reversed (opening of the immigration floodgates for example).

If Billy has made bets that Biden wouldn't be president, he should now pay up. If the situation happens to be reversed, he can claim a refund.

Great post.

Yes Biden voted yes for Bush Jr's immoral and illegal war in Iraq.

Sadly he will also flood us with yet more immigrants and he will make concessions to Marxists who will continue efforts to destroy this formerly great country.

Normal peace loving people who wish to live in safe neighborhoods and cities are very apprehensive.

Ammunition that normally lasts two weeks on a store shelf only lasts an hour or so now.

Agree with you also, Billy should stop dragging his feet and pay up like honorable people do.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on January 21, 2021, 01:48:38 PM

Quote from: BBC
On immigration Mr Biden has revoked the Trump administration's emergency declaration that helped fund the building of a wall along the Mexican border and also ended a travel ban on some majority-Muslim countries.

I think it's a sad time for the US. The violence, rioting and division isn't healthy. That will damage tourism too.

So y'all have the decrepit old waxwork Biden now. For all intents and purposes, his politics seem to align with Tony Blair. Blair managed to single-handedly ruin the UK. The damage will take decades to undo and much of it cannot be reversed (opening of the immigration floodgates for example).


My friend has told me there 80,000 Hondurans lined up at the Honduran border ready to start the march to the USA! If many of them get in then there will be millions. So far they have been telling them nothing changed.  We will just have to see what happens.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 21, 2021, 03:51:40 PM

Quote from: BBC
On immigration Mr Biden has revoked the Trump administration's emergency declaration that helped fund the building of a wall along the Mexican border and also ended a travel ban on some majority-Muslim countries.

I think it's a sad time for the US. The violence, rioting and division isn't healthy. That will damage tourism too.

So y'all have the decrepit old waxwork Biden now. For all intents and purposes, his politics seem to align with Tony Blair. Blair managed to single-handedly ruin the UK. The damage will take decades to undo and much of it cannot be reversed (opening of the immigration floodgates for example).


My friend has told me there 80,000 Hondurans lined up at the Honduran border ready to start the march to the USA! If many of them get in then there will be millions. So far they have been telling them nothing changed.  We will just have to see what happens.

While the number differs from what I heard, yes there seems to be an ant colony moving North.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 21, 2021, 10:37:39 PM
Billy perhaps you should read the link you posted.

"A White House official, meanwhile, said the Biden team did not ask for a government plane to bring Biden to DC. The official said the administration explained to the Biden team what the options were. But aides to Biden explained they preferred to fly on private aircraft, the official added."

That was the statement released after they learned the Air Force wasn't going to let him fly on Air Force One. You can continue to believe CNN if you want.  Biden would love to fly on Air Force One to give the public the belief he's in command of the military. Mrh7 and Moby doesn't need to worry about getting paid. If I see Biden in command of the military, I will pay up. If the military is in charge and rules Biden illegitimate and Trump won, I hope they'll be man enough to pay up.


2tallBill posted a link saying none of Biden's cabinet appointees have been confirmed by the Senate. The Senate is still busy talking about how to keep Trump from ever coming back using Impeachment as a tool. I guess that is more important than confirming the cabinet of an illegitimate President.

https://twitter.com/ByronYork/status/1352438724890656768


I provided a video of troops turning their back to the President. Here's a photo of many turning their backs. For those who were in the military, think what would happen if you turned your back to a general? Think what would happen if you turned your back to the Commander in Chief? Biden is not the Commander in Chief.

https://twitter.com/Annakhait/status/1352135012657881089/photo/1


Trump declassified Obamagate documents Jan 19th. He doesn't seem scared a Biden Justice Department will come after him for releasing the swamp's dirty laundry.

https://www.mystateline.com/news/national/in-one-of-his-final-acts-trump-declassifies-documents-on-fbis-russia-probe/


Bus loads of troops still arriving in D.C. The fence is still erected with razor wire. The military I.D's everybody leaving the Capitol. The locks to the gates are on the outside. Think about it. Does your front door have the lock on the outside?

https://welovetrump.com/2021/01/21/d-c-troop-count-not-going-down-new-video-shows-four-new-busloads-of-troops-arriving/


Biden's earpiece tells him to salute the Marines so he says "Salute the Marines" instead of actually doing it.

https://nationalfile.com/video-bidens-earpiece-says-salute-the-marines-so-he-says-salute-the-marines-out-loud-doesnt-salute-them/


For those who believe Biden is signing legitimate Executive Orders, he's signing randomly in the middle instead of the bottom of the page. He can continue to play a game hoping to win over public support he's legitimate.

https://gab.com/Storm4Real/posts/105595817923018570


Another reminder that the General in charge of the National Guard in D.C. gave an interview saying they're there to help transition to military power.

https://twitter.com/SAMcKay3/status/1351383582078545925
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 21, 2021, 10:48:20 PM
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2021/01/20/biden-inaugurated-commander-in-chief-amid-heavy-military-presence-at-capitol/

https://www.airforcemag.com/biden-sworn-in-as-commander-in-chief-pledges-unity/

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/us-military-confirms-biden-as-46th-commander-in-chief/2107892

https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/01/commander-chief-joe-biden-swears/171505/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 21, 2021, 11:13:07 PM
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2021/01/20/biden-inaugurated-commander-in-chief-amid-heavy-military-presence-at-capitol/

https://www.airforcemag.com/biden-sworn-in-as-commander-in-chief-pledges-unity/

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/us-military-confirms-biden-as-46th-commander-in-chief/2107892

https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/01/commander-chief-joe-biden-swears/171505/

Biden already faces impeachment. Oops!!  :laugh:
I know, she filed it but with swamp creatures controlling Congress....

https://nationalfile.com/breaking-marjorie-taylor-greene-keeps-promise-files-articles-of-impeachment-against-joe-biden/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on January 22, 2021, 01:26:28 AM
Bus loads of troops still arriving in D.C. The fence is still erected with razor wire. The military I.D's everybody leaving the Capitol. The locks to the gates are on the outside. Think about it. Does your front door have the lock on the outside?

https://welovetrump.com/2021/01/21/d-c-troop-count-not-going-down-new-video-shows-four-new-busloads-of-troops-arriving/
Although I love your vigor in this discussion, this one is too funny.

Of course my lock is on the outside, how else would I go grocery shopping AND lock my house!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 22, 2021, 12:59:58 PM
Bus loads of troops still arriving in D.C. The fence is still erected with razor wire. The military I.D's everybody leaving the Capitol. The locks to the gates are on the outside. Think about it. Does your front door have the lock on the outside?

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/01/21/thousands-of-national-guard-troops-begin-leaving-dc-weekend.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 22, 2021, 02:18:13 PM
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2021/01/20/biden-inaugurated-commander-in-chief-amid-heavy-military-presence-at-capitol/

https://www.airforcemag.com/biden-sworn-in-as-commander-in-chief-pledges-unity/

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/us-military-confirms-biden-as-46th-commander-in-chief/2107892

https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/01/commander-chief-joe-biden-swears/171505/

Biden already faces impeachment. Oops!!  :laugh:
I know, she filed it but with swamp creatures controlling Congress....

https://nationalfile.com/breaking-marjorie-taylor-greene-keeps-promise-files-articles-of-impeachment-against-joe-biden/

Both Green and Boebert are in need of serious psychological help. They have no place in government.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on January 22, 2021, 04:04:32 PM
Has Billy paid up yet?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 22, 2021, 05:11:52 PM
Has Billy paid up yet?


Not yet.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 22, 2021, 05:40:51 PM
So it seems former president D. Trump has set up residence in Mar-a-Largo. Only a minor problem by deed it seems the property can not be used as a residence.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 22, 2021, 08:01:27 PM
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2021/01/20/biden-inaugurated-commander-in-chief-amid-heavy-military-presence-at-capitol/

https://www.airforcemag.com/biden-sworn-in-as-commander-in-chief-pledges-unity/

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/us-military-confirms-biden-as-46th-commander-in-chief/2107892

https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/01/commander-chief-joe-biden-swears/171505/

Biden already faces impeachment. Oops!!  :laugh:
I know, she filed it but with swamp creatures controlling Congress....

https://nationalfile.com/breaking-marjorie-taylor-greene-keeps-promise-files-articles-of-impeachment-against-joe-biden/

Both Green and Boebert are in need of serious psychological help. They have no place in government.

There you go again, attempting to smear someone for partisan reasons.

You had no problem with insurrectionists over the summer, burning down Police stations, felony looting of hundreds of Millions if not Billions, and even murder of those who got in their way.

Anyone who is an apologist for violent marxists should definitely seek professional help.

Whether it be a shrink or a Priest, get some help for your consistent failure to have a conscience.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 22, 2021, 08:26:19 PM

President Trump procures a fortified compound off the coast.

https://secure.caseyresearch.com/?cid=MKT512639&eid=MKT514863&encryptedSnaid=5HLf60nReAGcADTFdBMgx4D8mXC0%2F%20z5bBM3TPkw7iA%3D&snaid=SAC0017048229&step=start&emailjobid=4923751&emailname=210122-TBE-Free-CST-Disturbing-Move-Ded&assetId=AST166125&page=1
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 22, 2021, 10:23:09 PM
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2021/01/20/biden-inaugurated-commander-in-chief-amid-heavy-military-presence-at-capitol/

https://www.airforcemag.com/biden-sworn-in-as-commander-in-chief-pledges-unity/

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/us-military-confirms-biden-as-46th-commander-in-chief/2107892

https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/01/commander-chief-joe-biden-swears/171505/

Biden already faces impeachment. Oops!!  :laugh:
I know, she filed it but with swamp creatures controlling Congress....

https://nationalfile.com/breaking-marjorie-taylor-greene-keeps-promise-files-articles-of-impeachment-against-joe-biden/

Both Green and Boebert are in need of serious psychological help. They have no place in government.

There you go again, attempting to smear someone for partisan reasons.

You had no problem with insurrectionists over the summer, burning down Police stations, felony looting of hundreds of Millions if not Billions, and even murder of those who got in their way.

Anyone who is an apologist for violent marxists should definitely seek professional help.

Whether it be a shrink or a Priest, get some help for your consistent failure to have a conscience.

Who said I didn't have a problem with violent protestors? Don't try to strawman me.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 23, 2021, 12:12:14 AM
Of course my lock is on the outside, how else would I go grocery shopping AND lock my house!


In the way the Capitol fencing and prison cells are set up?


Has Billy paid up yet?


Biden isn't allowed to fly on Air Force One which is reserved for the President of the USA. If Biden shows he commands the military and functions as a President, mhr7 and Moby who I also had a bet with will get paid. Read my previous posts and this below to get a better understanding.


Pentagon continues to block Biden administration officials.

https://news.abs-cbn.com/spotlight/01/21/21/inside-the-ugly-transition-at-the-pentagon-how-joe-bidens-team-was-denied-critical-info


The House of Representatives cancels work next week. Seems like our government isn't functioning very well. MSM fails to cover this.

https://twitter.com/GOPLeader/status/1352290595541282820


Senate will begin work on Impeachment. Senator Schumer said each Senator will have to decide if Trump incited an erection. Why do they feel they need to impeach somebody unless he/she were still President?

https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1352732298978992130


This government website updates everyday and keeps records of Executive Orders. Although Biden and MSM claims he signed dozens of Executive Orders, this government website says he signed none.

https://www.federalregister.gov/presidential-documents/executive-orders


I've read many posts from people who were there or knows soldiers who were there Jan 20th and they said the inauguration didn't take place the time the Constitution requires which is noon Jan 20th but it was broadcast to America and advertised as live. Guy in Spain who said he saw it 10 hours before it happened seems credible now. Basically. it was a pre recorded show and an illegal inauguration.

https://twitter.com/DPotcner/status/1352323264006258690


Here's a little fun exercise. Maybe our European friends can see if it works for them. Last year Trump designated Antifa as a terrorist organization.  If you type "Antifa.com" into your web browser, it'll go to Biden's White House page. MSM won't report it. Just think what MSM would do if KKK.com was redirected to Trump's White House page. Biden is not in full control of his own web pages. He's not the most powerful man on earth. If I can easily find these things, foreign intelligence agencies probably know more. Lets see how many world leaders are willing to meet Biden to give him legitimacy. I think they know what is going on and who is really in charge.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 23, 2021, 12:31:10 AM
Biden isn't allowed to fly on Air Force One which is reserved for the President of the USA. If Biden shows he commands the military and functions as a President, mhr7 and Moby who I also had a bet with will get paid. Read my previous posts and this below to get a better understanding.

Biden is allowed to fly on AF One and I posted 4 articles from good sources showing that Biden is Commander-in-Chief. He lives in the White House and has signed executive orders, he is the  :censored: ing president. Stop moving the goalposts, man-up and pay-up!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on January 23, 2021, 04:29:03 AM

Has Billy paid up yet?


Biden isn't allowed to fly on Air Force One which is reserved for the President of the USA. If Biden shows he commands the military and functions as a President, mhr7 and Moby who I also had a bet with will get paid. Read my previous posts and this below to get a better understanding.


Nothing is, as it appears. As long as there are troops in DC you would do well not to pay up until they are gone and Biden is indeed president. I'm beginning to believe we are seeing a theatrical production
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 23, 2021, 09:51:12 AM
Billy the crackpot conspiracy theorist goes full wacko.

The site you posted above on Executive orders shows Biden has issued 9 of them.

If there is some sort of miracle and Biden gets arrested for treason, I will be cheering.

They would also need to arrest some key members of the media who went along with the claim of no election fraud.

Until then methinks Billy should pay up.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 23, 2021, 10:06:07 AM
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2021/01/20/biden-inaugurated-commander-in-chief-amid-heavy-military-presence-at-capitol/

https://www.airforcemag.com/biden-sworn-in-as-commander-in-chief-pledges-unity/

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/us-military-confirms-biden-as-46th-commander-in-chief/2107892

https://www.defenseone.com/policy/2021/01/commander-chief-joe-biden-swears/171505/

Biden already faces impeachment. Oops!!  :laugh:
I know, she filed it but with swamp creatures controlling Congress....

https://nationalfile.com/breaking-marjorie-taylor-greene-keeps-promise-files-articles-of-impeachment-against-joe-biden/

Both Green and Boebert are in need of serious psychological help. They have no place in government.

Okay, let's forget about the fact that you did NOT sufficiently denounce violent insurrections over the summer, neither did you denounce leftist Politicians who were egging them on.

What makes you think you are qualified to determine the two listed above need "serious psychological help" and that they have no place in government?

Trying to smear Conservatives has always been a radical left tactic. Now you and other book burners and totalitarian freaks don't want Conservatives to be able to publish a memoir nor have any employment prospects.

When I say it's you who should seek help, I don't say that flippantly.

I say it because any form of extremist totalitarian government, speech codes, attempted thought controls, etc are harmful to the entire human race.

You have been deceived into supporting a crooked man with dementia who is only a tool for very wicked people with evil plans.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 23, 2021, 10:18:22 PM
I posted 4 articles from good sources showing that Biden is Commander-in-Chief.


Although those media sources talk about military news, they aren't owned by the military. Check out their 'About' page.


As far as Impeachment goes, the Constitution clearly lays out it's a tool to use against a President, not an ex President. There's so much important work needed to be done for the American people, why waste any time on Trump unless he's still President? Even if they feel Trump can be Impeached again, what's the rush? Next Presidential election is almost 4 years away. Don't they know there's a pandemic going on and the American people and businesses need help?

https://www.cato.org/blog/impeachment-ex-president-unconstitutional


8 days ago Mike Lindell walked out of the White House with papers in his hand that photographers took a photo of. Trump assigned people in charge and it talked about foreign election interference, Marshal Law and Insurrection Act. If Trump signed those papers, our military is in charge and civilian judges and politicians have no power and they certainly can't inaugurate a new President. Photo of the Action to be Taken Immediately documents in link below.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9156965/MyPillow-CEO-Mike-Lindell-says-hopes-Trump-use-heavy-military-presence-Capitol-COUP.html


Joe Biden murmurs "I don't know what I'm signing" but signs it anyway. He'll sign anything put in front of him.

https://gab.com/MajorPatriot/posts/105602480540938116


Biden and Harris schedules are still empty

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1352959724866699265


Another Congress person can't figure out why the whole House of Representatives were sent home and all work cancelled next week. Everybody wants to get the hell out of D.C.? Our Legislative branch refuses to work or not allowed to function? Why haven't MSM reported on this? Why haven't they interviewed Pelosi? There's a pandemic going on and they decided to take an unscheduled vacation shutting down our government without explanation.

https://twitter.com/laurenboebert/status/1352362625196314631


Biden and MSM duped America and the world. Below is Biden's inauguration advertised live to America. It was a pre-recorded event that illegally took place before the Constitution allows. Jan 20th at noon is when a President is supposed to be inaugurated. There is a full overcast of clouds up to 4:37:12 in the video but 10 minutes later, there's hardly any clouds when Biden is inaugurated. At 5:01:52 in the video it shows the extreme shadows of people so the inauguration took place soon after sunrise or before sunset, not at noon. Although Biden was inaugurated with the sun in his eyes, on the internet people posted a snapshot of a live cam in D.C Jan 20th at noon showing the sky with a full overcast and no sun. At 4:47:29 you'll see Biden's grandkids near him as he's taking the oath. A boy wearing black with a red tie, a girl in pink with a pink mask and a girl in white with a white mask. At 4:47:43 the kids are not in the video. At 4:47:58 they are back in the video near Biden. At 4:48:01 they are not in the video. At 4:48:16 they are back in the video near Biden. Apparently multiple takes were needed to put this video together. Other people were shown and then missing but I stuck with the kids because the are more easily identifiable.


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 24, 2021, 12:29:39 AM
I posted 4 articles from good sources showing that Biden is Commander-in-Chief.


Although those media sources talk about military news, they aren't owned by the military. Check out their 'About' page.


As far as Impeachment goes, the Constitution clearly lays out it's a tool to use against a President, not an ex President. There's so much important work needed to be done for the American people, why waste any time on Trump unless he's still President? Even if they feel Trump can be Impeached again, what's the rush? Next Presidential election is almost 4 years away. Don't they know there's a pandemic going on and the American people and businesses need help?

https://www.cato.org/blog/impeachment-ex-president-unconstitutional


8 days ago Mike Lindell walked out of the White House with papers in his hand that photographers took a photo of. Trump assigned people in charge and it talked about foreign election interference, Marshal Law and Insurrection Act. If Trump signed those papers, our military is in charge and civilian judges and politicians have no power and they certainly can't inaugurate a new President. Photo of the Action to be Taken Immediately documents in link below.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9156965/MyPillow-CEO-Mike-Lindell-says-hopes-Trump-use-heavy-military-presence-Capitol-COUP.html


Joe Biden murmurs "I don't know what I'm signing" but signs it anyway. He'll sign anything put in front of him.

https://gab.com/MajorPatriot/posts/105602480540938116


Biden and Harris schedules are still empty

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1352959724866699265


Another Congress person can't figure out why the whole House of Representatives were sent home and all work cancelled next week. Everybody wants to get the hell out of D.C.? Our Legislative branch refuses to work or not allowed to function? Why haven't MSM reported on this? Why haven't they interviewed Pelosi? There's a pandemic going on and they decided to take an unscheduled vacation shutting down our government without explanation.

https://twitter.com/laurenboebert/status/1352362625196314631


Biden and MSM duped America and the world. Below is Biden's inauguration advertised live to America. It was a pre-recorded event that illegally took place before the Constitution allows. Jan 20th at noon is when a President is supposed to be inaugurated. There is a full overcast of clouds up to 4:37:12 in the video but 10 minutes later, there's hardly any clouds when Biden is inaugurated. At 5:01:52 in the video it shows the extreme shadows of people so the inauguration took place soon after sunrise or before sunset, not at noon. Although Biden was inaugurated with the sun in his eyes, on the internet people posted a snapshot of a live cam in D.C Jan 20th at noon showing the sky with a full overcast and no sun. At 4:47:29 you'll see Biden's grandkids near him as he's taking the oath. A boy wearing black with a red tie, a girl in pink with a pink mask and a girl in white with a white mask. At 4:47:43 the kids are not in the video. At 4:47:58 they are back in the video near Biden. At 4:48:01 they are not in the video. At 4:48:16 they are back in the video near Biden. Apparently multiple takes were needed to put this video together. Other people were shown and then missing but I stuck with the kids because the are more easily identifiable.



We made a gentleman's bet, I thought I could trust you but I now see that I can't. You've welched on our bet because you don't live in reality anymore. Enjoy your new status on the forum.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 24, 2021, 04:16:54 AM
BillyB, If you attempted to prove the earth is flat I suspect no one on RUA would be surprised. I certainly would not bother to discuss this with you.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 24, 2021, 07:40:04 AM
Yeah, I don't think that Billy is any more dishonest than average - which means that he is, of course, situationally dishonest.

Whats going on is that he has persuaded himself of a view of the world that is not real. That's undoubtedly stressful for as he sees clear evidence that countervails he fictional worldview.

Right now, he can't pay up because to do so would mean accepting that large parts of the world are not as he sees it. The cost, in this particular context is that to most people he now seems to be dishonest, to be a welcher, a man who cannot be trusted.

I mentioned in a previous post that he is probably having problems elsewhere in his life as a result of his faulty worldview. Those problems will be growing, perhaps he has made other bets, other commitments, that he cannot carry out. Taking on bets and commitments is, it seems to me, a way to demonstrate the validity of his worldview so I'd expect him to have undertaken other demonstrations of proof elsewhere in his life.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on January 24, 2021, 09:39:44 AM
Quote from: BillyB
Last year Trump designated Antifa as a terrorist organization.  If you type "Antifa.com" into your web browser, it'll go to Biden's White House page. MSM won't report it. Just think what MSM would do if KKK.com was redirected to Trump's White House page.

That is true. But the domain is registered behind a proxy. Anyone could have bought that domain and put that redirect on.

You could buy the domain kkk.network (https://uk.godaddy.com/domainsearch/find?checkAvail=1&domainToCheck=kkk.com) for under thirty quid and redirect it free to one of Trump's sites if you felt so inclined. But it wouldn't prove anything.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on January 24, 2021, 09:43:27 AM
Has Billy paid up yet?

Biden isn't allowed to fly on Air Force One which is reserved for the President of the USA. If Biden shows he commands the military and functions as a President, mhr7 and Moby who I also had a bet with will get paid.

So when he flies on Airforce One will be easy to verify. But if I recall from a film, and it was correct, any plane carrying the president can use the call sign Airforce One.

What is your test of "in command of the military" that would satisfy you enough to pay your debts? Must he start a war? You could claim he isn't forever by moving the goalposts as you are doing now.

Billy, Biden is your president.  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 24, 2021, 09:46:55 AM
No matter how many realities you show him he will find another fantasy. You're just winding him up!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on January 24, 2021, 09:52:19 AM
No matter how many realities you show him he will find another fantasy. You're just winding him up!

I think people who make bets should pay up.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 24, 2021, 09:55:54 AM
Has Billy paid up yet?

Biden isn't allowed to fly on Air Force One which is reserved for the President of the USA. If Biden shows he commands the military and functions as a President, mhr7 and Moby who I also had a bet with will get paid.

So when he flies on Airforce One will be easy to verify. But if I recall from a film, and it was correct, any plane carrying the president can use the call sign Airforce One.

What is your test of "in command of the military" that would satisfy you enough to pay your debts? Must he start a war? You could claim he isn't forever by moving the goalposts as you are doing now.

Billy, Biden is your president.  :coffeeread:

Let's clarify something. He is not my President either, but it does appear he is acting as President, on behalf of someone.

         
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 24, 2021, 10:04:08 AM
         
           
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 24, 2021, 10:07:27 AM
Quote from: BillyB
Last year Trump designated Antifa as a terrorist organization.  If you type "Antifa.com" into your web browser, it'll go to Biden's White House page. MSM won't report it. Just think what MSM would do if KKK.com was redirected to Trump's White House page.

That is true. But the domain is registered behind a proxy. Anyone could have bought that domain and put that redirect on.

You could buy the domain kkk.network (https://uk.godaddy.com/domainsearch/find?checkAvail=1&domainToCheck=kkk.com) for under thirty quid and redirect it free to one of Trump's sites if you felt so inclined. But it wouldn't prove anything.


A President and all his resources can easily correct that. Problem is, military intelligence, isn't a resource of Biden's. As much as the liberals were pranking Trump, they couldn't do to Trump what is happening to Biden.

A few minutes past noon Washington D.C. time as I post this. Live Cam of the Capitol in link below. Notice shadows of light poles and benches near the bottom aren't as long as the shadows of Biden's inauguration. Splicing together a few rehearsals and advertising it as live isn't an inauguration.

https://balticlivecam.com/cameras/united-states/washington/capitol/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 24, 2021, 10:54:27 AM
So when he flies on Airforce One will be easy to verify. But if I recall from a film, and it was correct, any plane carrying the president can use the call sign Airforce One.

What is your test of "in command of the military" that would satisfy you enough to pay your debts? Must he start a war? You could claim he isn't forever by moving the goalposts as you are doing now.


The call sign is "Air Force One" for any plane the President flies on but there's only a few painted baby blue and white the Air Force controls. Since Presidents were flying on planes, Biden is the first president elect that the military never flew into D.C for an inauguration and Trump is the first outgoing President they flew out of D.C before an inauguration for another.  I believe the patriots and military is in control of America and done in such as way it would cause minimal bloodshed as they sort out the election fraud that included foreign interference. Over 500 politicians in the House were told to go home without a reason. The Senate's focus is on impeachment which they can't legally do if the military is in charge. The US government is basically ineffective and Biden doesn't know what he's signing.


If Biden flies on Air Force One, I'll pay up. Starting wars in not an indication Biden is President. A US military in charge of this country can do what they want to protect America's interest anywhere in the world. I know there's an article saying US troops entered into Syria but I haven't seen Biden give the command and explain to the American people why it needed to happen.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 24, 2021, 03:40:39 PM

Nobody has yet disputed my claim the inauguration was faked with spliced up pre recorded rehearsal footage and sold to America as live coverage. The video evidence is indisputable and if anybody here didn't watch the video, here's a few photos attached. You may have to log on to view the photos.

First photo shows Joe's granddaughter in pink next to Joe daughter and Behind Jill. granddaughter in white stands next to granddaughter in pink.

Second photo shows grandson in black suit with red tie stand next to granddaughter in white. Granddaughter in tan stands next to grandson. Notice the man in black standing next to granddaughter in tan. Notice 4 grandkids stand tightly between Joe's daughter and the man in black.

Third photo, notice between Joe's daughter and the man in black, the 4 kids are missing. If you watch the video again, the swearing in takes a minute and from 3 video camera angles Joe's grandkids are in only one. Based on film, this event was spliced together with rehearsal footage. Based on position of the sun and shadows, this event didn't take place at noon per Constitution requirements and it may not have even taken place Jan 20th.

I seen both Democrats and Republicans attend the event. They are all in the sham inauguration and fraudulent elections together. No transparency and selling us a story. I will never vote Republican or Democrat again. It's clear what has become of both parties. Corruption has overtaken them. I hope you guys wake up too.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 24, 2021, 03:48:42 PM
Billy, there's no point in trying to dissuade you from your cognitive dissonance issues. That's something that you need to deal with for yourself.

Of course, the very fact that nobody wants to indulge you will tend to strengthen your issues. But we're not your counsellors, not your therapists.

You've demonstrated the same problem before and demonstrated to us all that you have this problem and that we cannot help you.

At some point you're going to reach a crisis. Probably you'll switch to a new set of delusions as you have done before. Who knows what that new set of fantasies will be about. But we'll probably get some entertainment from them even as we understand what is going on and that it us, shall we say, unfortunate.

Hell, if you're lucky you might even become an Internet star and make good bank from your mental issues. You'd not be the first to do so. You might want to check out the history of a bloke called David Icke as a prototype - however, he was already well known in the UK before he had his first public meltdown that set the course for the next 35 years of his life and 'success'.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 24, 2021, 04:10:10 PM
Now is the time....

Quote

"These are the folks who would kill free speech, impose wealth redistribution, punish white people for being born white, and promote LGBT and trans issues as if they accounted for half the population.  They want to do away with suburbs because they deem them unfair to city-dwellers.  They plan to pack the SCOTUS with six more leftist judges in order to invalidate the opinions of any conservatives on the court.  They intend to make Puerto Rico and Washington, D.C. into states so they can have four more Democrat senators.

And the most egregious aspect of the left today is that they feel entitled to cheat to win.  They do not even care that everyone knows they cheated; they are confident that the old fix they count on was and remains "in."  And it seems they are correct; no judge or justice (except for Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito) has had the guts to do the right thing and uphold not only the Constitution, but their own state constitutions.  Bottom line?  The country is under attack, and all good men and women do need to come the aid of their nation."



https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/12/now_is_the_time_for_all_good_men_to_come_to_the_aid_of_their_country.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 24, 2021, 04:24:33 PM
The note Trump wrote to Biden:

The note said:
"The Secret Service aren't really that good.  Obama said he kept a .45 in the side drawer.  I did too.  I recommend you do so as well, because many of my followers are crazy.  Sorry about that.
We think multiple rooms have been bugged by the Chinese, but NSA couldn't find their devices....just odd signals at night."
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 24, 2021, 07:48:04 PM
Billy, there's no point in trying to dissuade you from your cognitive dissonance issues.


There's nobody on the internet that follows me around like a nagging woman more than you. If you can't explain why Biden's grandkids appear and disappear within a one minute swearing in, just admit it. All MSM coverage of the inauguration is carried on youtube and you'll see the same results. Why didn't they use their own cameras? Because they were handed the video that was to be used and advertised as being live coverage. I'm not the one duping you so go be angry with somebody else.


This journalist interviewed over 50 soldiers, police and citizens the day after inauguration and not one seen or heard the inauguration Jan 20th

http://twitter.com/DPotcner/status/1352323264006258690


This Brit living in Spain said he seen the inauguration 10 hrs before it was shown to America. This means they used a rehearsal and peddled it to America as being the real thing.

http://www.bitchute.com/video/PY8HAKyV0vYO/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 25, 2021, 08:59:37 AM
 Rudy Giuliani sued for defamation.
   
     
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 25, 2021, 11:47:41 AM
Billy, have you ever heard of timezones? You have several of them across the USA.

Talk about the dumb (mis)leading the dumber!

I hope that you do not have a gun licence!

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: yankee on January 25, 2021, 02:11:37 PM
Billy, have you ever heard of timezones? You have several of them across the USA.

Talk about the dumb (mis)leading the dumber!

I hope that you do not have a gun licence!

In many states one does not need a permit or license to own a fire arm. 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 25, 2021, 03:51:20 PM
Billy, have you ever heard of timezones? You have several of them across the USA.

Talk about the dumb (mis)leading the dumber!

I hope that you do not have a gun licence!

In many states one does not need a permit or license to own a fire arm.

Whooosh!
That's the sound of a point being missed.  :'(
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: yankee on January 25, 2021, 04:26:55 PM
Billy, have you ever heard of timezones? You have several of them across the USA.

Talk about the dumb (mis)leading the dumber!

I hope that you do not have a gun licence!

In many states one does not need a permit or license to own a fire arm.

Whooosh!
That's the sound of a point being missed.  :'(

If you are trying to make a point you should try to be factually correct.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 25, 2021, 06:59:53 PM
Billy, there's no point in trying to dissuade you from your cognitive dissonance issues. That's something that you need to deal with for yourself.

Of course, the very fact that nobody wants to indulge you will tend to strengthen your issues. But we're not your counsellors, not your therapists.

You've demonstrated the same problem before and demonstrated to us all that you have this problem and that we cannot help you.

At some point you're going to reach a crisis. Probably you'll switch to a new set of delusions as you have done before. Who knows what that new set of fantasies will be about. But we'll probably get some entertainment from them even as we understand what is going on and that it us, shall we say, unfortunate.

Very well put.
Title: Billy's words
Post by: mhr7 on January 25, 2021, 07:09:05 PM
If Biden flies on Air Force One, I'll pay up.

See if this actually happens. I'm not counting on it.
Title: Re: Billy's words
Post by: AvHdB on January 25, 2021, 07:32:14 PM
If Biden flies on Air Force One, I'll pay up.

See if this actually happens. I'm not counting on it.

Flying on Air Force One or payment?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 25, 2021, 08:28:22 PM
Republicans support President Trump by a large majority over McConnell.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/01/14/poll-republicans-overwhelmingly-side-with-president-trump-over-mitch-mcconnell/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 25, 2021, 08:33:21 PM
Trump opens an office in Florida to advance his agenda.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-creates-office-of-the-former-president-in-florida
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 25, 2021, 08:36:10 PM
Rudy Giuliani sued for defamation.
   
     

Rudy responds.

"President Trump’s attorney took the suit in stride, saying it will allow him to investigate the company’s history, finances and practices fully.

“We get to see the machines that are crooked, the ballots that are fraudulent, and if we’re wrong, we will be made fools of,” Giuliani said. “But if we’re right, a lot of them will go to jail. So, let’s have a trial by combat.”

https://www.oann.com/giuliani-dominion-suit-is-act-of-intimidation-by-hate-filled-left/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 25, 2021, 09:29:51 PM
Billy, have you ever heard of timezones? You have several of them across the USA.

Talk about the dumb (mis)leading the dumber!

I hope that you do not have a gun licence!

I know you're not dumber than a box of rocks but you're sure trying to act like it. Hopefully you watch the video before making a comment but I doubt it. The Brit living in Spain was sent a copy of the inauguration 10 hours before Noon Eastern time which is when America seen it and it was advertised to us as being 'live'. If the Brit lives in Barcelona, it's six hours ahead of Eastern time so it would be 6 PM in Barcelona when it was broadcast to America. How good are you in math? If he was given the recording 10 hours before we seen it, he would have watched it 8 AM Barcelona time while much of America is asleep in bed.


If Biden flies on Air Force One, I'll pay up.

See if this actually happens. I'm not counting on it.

Are you starving and need money now for food and rent? Everyday you are crying for money and successfully getting people to feel sorry for you. You knew the terms of the bet and that is who will be President after all disputes are settled but now you want to move the goal posts. There are currently 30 active court cases. Click on links in link below for the status of each court case. There is currently a dispute on who is in charge of the country since I'm pretty sure the military is. I have been kind enough to make it easier for you to win. If Biden is allowed to fly on the Air Force's Air Force One showing he has the support of the military, I will pay you and Moby. You both don't have to wait for court cases to settle it. So please stop soliciting sympathy and be patient. But if the military arrests Biden for conspiracy with foreign nations to commit fraud in elections or other crimes, then I hope you're man enough to pay up.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/breaking-exclusive-accurate-list-2020-election-fraud-cases-shows-81-cases-total-31-still-active-not-one-single-court-allowed-evidence-argued/


Justice Roberts will not preside over Trump's impeachment. The Constitution clearly lays out that the Supreme Court Chief Justice must preside over a President's impeachment. The Senate continue this Impeachment without Roberts presiding by appointing a Democrat as the Judge. More illegal activity by our government.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/just-chief-justice-roberts-will-not-preside-trump-senate-impeachment-trial/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 25, 2021, 09:55:59 PM
Are you starving and need money now for food and rent? Everyday you are crying for money and successfully getting people to feel sorry for you. You knew the terms of the bet and that is who will be President after all disputes are settled but now you want to move the goal posts. There are currently 30 active court cases. Click on links in link below for the status of each court case. There is currently a dispute on who is in charge of the country since I'm pretty sure the military is. I have been kind enough to make it easier for you to win. If Biden is allowed to fly on the Air Force's Air Force One showing he has the support of the military, I will pay you and Moby. You both don't have to wait for court cases to settle it. So please stop soliciting sympathy and be patient. But if the military arrests Biden for conspiracy with foreign nations to commit fraud in elections or other crimes, then I hope you're man enough to pay up.


People don't feel sorry for me, they feel sorry for you. You hope I'm man enough? I think it's safe to say you're not. The bet was about the next president. That is CLEARLY Biden. You really think Trump is going to come back to be president for another term? That was your bet. You lost.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 26, 2021, 01:21:11 AM
Notice how Billykins has reframed the bet upon which he has refused to pay out.

According to him, the debt is due only when 'all disputes are settled' pushing off into the future the point at which he must accept reality.

He has accepted that Biden is now president, that's a step forward for him. But he is retaining the Fantasy of the renegade Team Trump counterattack. He will be falling back on the next election soon enough.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 26, 2021, 01:28:23 AM
Billy, have you ever heard of timezones? You have several of them across the USA.

Talk about the dumb (mis)leading the dumber!

I hope that you do not have a gun licence!

In many states one does not need a permit or license to own a fire arm.

Whooosh!
That's the sound of a point being missed.  :'(

If you are trying to make a point you should try to be factually correct.

People can be dumb as rocks when they try to demonstrate the contrary.
Where did I make any claims about the universality of gun licensing legislation? I referred to one man in one case.

Yankee, you're not smart enough to even try to play the role of a bright person in a pantomime.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 26, 2021, 07:07:37 AM
Notice how Billykins has reframed the bet upon which he has refused to pay out.

According to him, the debt is due only when 'all disputes are settled' pushing off into the future the point at which he must accept reality.


Andrew, you continue to be dumb. I didn't reframe anything. You can go back and read my old posts to see what the terms of the bet are yet you prefer to lie to everybody that I'm reframing the terms of the bet.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 26, 2021, 07:10:37 AM
Remember, the bet is completed after all avenues of determining the President have been exhausted whether it be State Legislatures, Congress, Courts or guns. All we have left are courts and guns. SCOTUS is going to hear a case after Jan 20th because they delayed it on purpose since they are compromised but I believe this will get settled with guns sooner. The only court left for Biden will be military tribunal.



People don't feel sorry for me, they feel sorry for you. You hope I'm man enough? I think it's safe to say you're not. The bet was about the next president. That is CLEARLY Biden. You really think Trump is going to come back to be president for another term? That was your bet. You lost.


Yes, you continue to try to get people to feel sorry for you. The terms of the bet was laid out on this and another forum. You're trying to change the rules.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: yankee on January 26, 2021, 07:46:49 AM
Billy, have you ever heard of timezones? You have several of them across the USA.

Talk about the dumb (mis)leading the dumber!

I hope that you do not have a gun licence!

In many states one does not need a permit or license to own a fire arm.

Whooosh!
That's the sound of a point being missed.  :'(

If you are trying to make a point you should try to be factually correct.

People can be dumb as rocks when they try to demonstrate the contrary.
Where did I make any claims about the universality of gun licensing legislation? I referred to one man in one case.

Yankee, you're not smart enough to even try to play the role of a bright person in a pantomime.

Andrew have you ever noticed that almost every time someone corrects or adds clarity to one of your statements you retort with statements trying to personally attack the other person?  Rather childish on your part.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 26, 2021, 08:55:11 AM
Billy, have you ever heard of timezones? You have several of them across the USA.

Talk about the dumb (mis)leading the dumber!

I hope that you do not have a gun licence!

In many states one does not need a permit or license to own a fire arm.

Whooosh!
That's the sound of a point being missed.  :'(

If you are trying to make a point you should try to be factually correct.

People can be dumb as rocks when they try to demonstrate the contrary.
Where did I make any claims about the universality of gun licensing legislation? I referred to one man in one case.

Yankee, you're not smart enough to even try to play the role of a bright person in a pantomime.

Andrew have you ever noticed that almost every time someone corrects or adds clarity to one of your statements you retort with statements trying to personally attack the other person?  Rather childish on your part.

 :thumbsup:

Just kick old Andy right back in the balls.

He seems to enjoy it.  :laugh:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on January 26, 2021, 09:19:07 AM
Trump will extremely likely never be president again. The capitol riot ended any possible chance of him coming back to power.  6 people died in the riot and Trump is partly responsible.  They are going to impeach him so no matter how any law suite comes out he still will not be president. It is highly unlikely he able to run again.

Trump has a string of problems since November that is going to make it hard for him to stay out of jail. His financial empire is collapsing. The poor man will lucky to not to be on food stamps in 24 months if he in not in prison.

Before he ran for President he said he was worth about 8 billion dollars. About half of that was the value of his name bran. He received payments from hotels to have the Trump name on them thou Trump did not own them.  His name bran  worthless on hotels now. He is in the hotel business and it has been very hard on the hotel business since covid-19. The remaining 4 billion dollars has mainly gone away. He is heavily mortgage in most properties  which have lost value and instead of positive value they are now a negative equality value and most likely losing money every month.  He will continue to have huge legal expenses and life style he likely will not be able to maintain in the future.  One of the dumbest things Trump ever did was to become president.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on January 26, 2021, 09:21:26 AM

Andrew, you continue to be dumb. I didn't reframe anything. You can go back and read my old posts to see what the terms of the bet are yet you prefer to lie to everybody that I'm reframing the terms of the bet.

Hold your ground Billy. You would be correct in not paying up, yet. Perfectly understandable as there are to many loose ends not tied up.

IIRC the bet was that who would win the presidency. Clearly Trump won the election.

Biden was declared the winner of a proven cheated, stolen and fraudulent election. While we saw something that resembled an inauguration there are too many questions concerning it, the troop occupation being the glaring question, there are many others that indicate something else is in play.

Vegas odd makers too, haven't paid out on that bet, also some allowing withdrawal of the bet. Biden installed as the winner in a stolen election doesn't satisfy Vegas bets.

There are numerous indications that the military has intervened and likely controls the government until the military turns it over to the CiC.

Until the military makes that move Biden is nothing more than a play pretend president. Until then, the winner of the bet is whoever bet on the military
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 26, 2021, 09:29:02 AM

Andrew, you continue to be dumb. I didn't reframe anything. You can go back and read my old posts to see what the terms of the bet are yet you prefer to lie to everybody that I'm reframing the terms of the bet.

Hold your ground Billy. You would be correct in not paying up, yet. Perfectly understandable as there are to many loose ends not tied up.

IIRC the bet was that who would win the presidency. Clearly Trump won the election.

Biden was declared the winner of a proven cheated, stolen and fraudulent election. While we saw something that resembled an inauguration there are too many questions concerning it, the troop occupation being the glaring question, there are many others that indicate something else is in play.

Vegas odd makers too, haven't paid out on that bet, also some allowing withdrawal of the bet. Biden installed as the winner in a stolen election doesn't satisfy Vegas bets.

There are numerous indications that the military has intervened and likely controls the government until the military turns it over to the CiC.

Until the military makes that move Biden is nothing more than a play pretend president. Until then, the winner of the bet is whoever bet on the military

Interesting speculation. As I said up thread Trump should have declared an insurrection over the summer, shut down media crooks and instituted martial law. Like Lincoln did.

Now the country is on the precipice of descending into the hellish nightmare of Communism.

Trump had his chance and he blew it. My two cents
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on January 26, 2021, 10:01:14 AM

Andrew, you continue to be dumb. I didn't reframe anything. You can go back and read my old posts to see what the terms of the bet are yet you prefer to lie to everybody that I'm reframing the terms of the bet.

Hold your ground Billy. You would be correct in not paying up, yet. Perfectly understandable as there are to many loose ends not tied up.

IIRC the bet was that who would win the presidency. Clearly Trump won the election.

Biden was declared the winner of a proven cheated, stolen and fraudulent election. While we saw something that resembled an inauguration there are too many questions concerning it, the troop occupation being the glaring question, there are many others that indicate something else is in play.

Vegas odd makers too, haven't paid out on that bet, also some allowing withdrawal of the bet. Biden installed as the winner in a stolen election doesn't satisfy Vegas bets.

There are numerous indications that the military has intervened and likely controls the government until the military turns it over to the CiC.

Until the military makes that move Biden is nothing more than a play pretend president. Until then, the winner of the bet is whoever bet on the military

Interesting speculation. As I said up thread Trump should have declared an insurrection over the summer, shut down media crooks and instituted martial law. Like Lincoln did.

Now the country is on the precipice of descending into the hellish nightmare of Communism.

Trump had his chance and he blew it. My two cents

If it were over I would tend to agree with you. As long as there is an occupation of DC by US troops, it isn't over. Perhaps Trump didn't blow his chances? They may have stolen the election but control of the White House is not in Ol' Earpiece's hands. There's more at play than the MSM is reporting on (big surprise there)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 26, 2021, 11:35:15 AM
Remember, the bet is completed after all avenues of determining the President have been exhausted whether it be State Legislatures, Congress, Courts or guns. All we have left are courts and guns. SCOTUS is going to hear a case after Jan 20th because they delayed it on purpose since they are compromised but I believe this will get settled with guns sooner. The only court left for Biden will be military tribunal.



People don't feel sorry for me, they feel sorry for you. You hope I'm man enough? I think it's safe to say you're not. The bet was about the next president. That is CLEARLY Biden. You really think Trump is going to come back to be president for another term? That was your bet. You lost.


Yes, you continue to try to get people to feel sorry for you. The terms of the bet was laid out on this and another forum. You're trying to change the rules.

Anyone feel sorry for me? Thought not. Billy, your bet was that Trump would serve another term, that's never going to happen, period. You have zero chance of winning the bet. This country isn't without a president, if that were the case EVERYONE would know. Call your congressmen or the White House and ask them if Biden is president, see what they say.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 26, 2021, 11:42:45 AM

Andrew, you continue to be dumb. I didn't reframe anything. You can go back and read my old posts to see what the terms of the bet are yet you prefer to lie to everybody that I'm reframing the terms of the bet.

Hold your ground Billy. You would be correct in not paying up, yet. Perfectly understandable as there are to many loose ends not tied up.

IIRC the bet was that who would win the presidency. Clearly Trump won the election.

Biden was declared the winner of a proven cheated, stolen and fraudulent election. While we saw something that resembled an inauguration there are too many questions concerning it, the troop occupation being the glaring question, there are many others that indicate something else is in play.

Vegas odd makers too, haven't paid out on that bet, also some allowing withdrawal of the bet. Biden installed as the winner in a stolen election doesn't satisfy Vegas bets.

There are numerous indications that the military has intervened and likely controls the government until the military turns it over to the CiC.

Until the military makes that move Biden is nothing more than a play pretend president. Until then, the winner of the bet is whoever bet on the military

Proof? No? Thought not. Vegas has paid out on their bets and there are NO indications that the military controls anything.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on January 26, 2021, 05:02:03 PM
The military is there to protect Biden. Biden signs executive order everyday and the country follows them. He has moved into the white house and Trump has moved out. Proof Biden is President is the orders he is signing are the same ones he campaigned for.

If the military is in charge then who is he? What is the name of this military man who is president.

I guess it is Billy is the one who is broke and can not afford to pay up.

Read news clip below. Many of these people who entered the capitol building may be in far more serious trouble than they thought.

“We are closely looking at evidence related to the sedition charges," Michael Sherwin, the acting U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia, told reporters on Tuesday. “I think the results will bear fruit very soon.”


The federal criminal statute on seditious conspiracy relates to efforts to conspire to overthrow the U.S. government, to oppose its authority by force, to use force to hinder the execution of any U.S. law, or to use force to seize U.S. government property. "You're talking about 20-year penalties," Sherwin said.

Sherwin said investigators are scrutinizing any organized groups or militia members who traveled to Washington, D.C., and participated in the Capitol riot. Last week, the Justice Department accused a leader in the right-wing, militia-type group known as the Oath Keepers of “conspiracy” and other crimes in connection to the siege of Congress. The FBI special agent who wrote the criminal affidavit noted that members of the “paramilitary organization” were among those who breached the Capitol on Jan. 6.
Title: Former President Trump
Post by: AvHdB on January 26, 2021, 08:01:25 PM
Hopefully it is obvious to all that the travel industry is suffering. Curious has anyone seen what effect it is having on the Trump Empire?

Trump will extremely likely never be president again. The capitol riot ended any possible chance of him coming back to power.  6 people died in the riot and Trump is partly responsible.  They are going to impeach him so no matter how any law suite comes out he still will not be president. It is highly unlikely he able to run again.

Trump has a string of problems since November that is going to make it hard for him to stay out of jail. His financial empire is collapsing. The poor man will lucky to not to be on food stamps in 24 months if he in not in prison.

Before he ran for President he said he was worth about 8 billion dollars. About half of that was the value of his name bran. He received payments from hotels to have the Trump name on them thou Trump did not own them.  His name bran  worthless on hotels now. He is in the hotel business and it has been very hard on the hotel business since covid-19. The remaining 4 billion dollars has mainly gone away. He is heavily mortgage in most properties  which have lost value and instead of positive value they are now a negative equality value and most likely losing money every month.  He will continue to have huge legal expenses and life style he likely will not be able to maintain in the future.  One of the dumbest things Trump ever did was to become president.

Most Presidents are remembered by the tone they set in there first 100 days in office. I suspect that D. Trump will be remembered best by his last 100 days. I doubt though that D. Trump was worth even 1 billion dollars. (Unless ego is an asset)

My guess the impeachment trial will be to appease some left leaning Senators and House Members and the United States will move on. Perhaps the Republicans will learn a lesson and figure out a strategy to keep the loyal Trump supporters onboard and engage and grow a new more dynamic & diverse base of voters. I fear things will not go well for J. Biden in the next 4 years politically not with standing how much cash they pump in the national economy.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 26, 2021, 09:45:38 PM
If the military is in charge then who is he? What is the name of this military man who is president.

I guess it is Billy is the one who is broke and can not afford to pay up.


After I made my most recent posts, most people "get it". Reread to understand the terms of the bet.

Biden and Obama went after General Flynn hard. Almost put him in jail over BS charges of lying to the FBI related to Trump Russia collusion. The Army just promoted Flynn's younger brother to 4 star General. That has got to be a slap on Biden's face. If Biden truly is President and Commander in Chief, not only can he block the promotion, he can fire the general.

https://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/charles-flynn-brother-of-former-national-security-adviser-tapped-to-lead-us-army-pacific-1.659849


Perhaps the Republicans will learn a lesson and figure out a strategy to keep the loyal Trump supporters onboard and engage and grow a new more dynamic & diverse base of voters.


I'm never voting Democrat or Republican ever again. Instead of pushing for an investigation on election fraud to make sure our votes counted, Republicans laid in bed with the Democrats to push Trump out. There's a lot of Conservatives out there that feel the same way I do.


I fear things will not go well for J. Biden in the next 4 years politically not with standing how much cash they pump in the national economy.


Biden owes a lot to a lot of people, organizations and nations for their assistance during the election. It will cost America dearly. As far as political consequences, it doesn't hurt Biden as long as the Democrats control elections and he does want the party wants.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 26, 2021, 11:07:39 PM
Billy we all understand your frustration with DC politicians. If the country survives and there is ever another good Republican choice hopefully you will change your mind and vote.

Although with the vote by mail fraud it does seem hopeless.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on January 27, 2021, 05:31:13 AM
Anyone feel sorry for me? Thought not. Billy, your bet was that Trump would serve another term, that's never going to happen, period. You have zero chance of winning the bet. This country isn't without a president, if that were the case EVERYONE would know. Call your congressmen or the White House and ask them if Biden is president, see what they say.

I think Billy should pay up.

He can use excuses to avoid it forever if the goalposts keep moving. He said he was going to pay up the other day as soon as Biden travels on Air Force One (the one in livery), but when he does, Billy will say its fake footage, etc. As he did with the inauguration.

I think the election was very likely corrupt in some states. I've read enough to think that likely. But whether by votes or corruption, Biden is president so Billy should pay.

All these fantasies of the army secretly running the country and Trump being about to victoriously ride back into the Whitehouse on a white unicorn with his bleached quiff quivering in the breeze et al, are just that. Fantasies.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on January 27, 2021, 11:33:25 AM
Anyone feel sorry for me? Thought not. Billy, your bet was that Trump would serve another term, that's never going to happen, period. You have zero chance of winning the bet. This country isn't without a president, if that were the case EVERYONE would know. Call your congressmen or the White House and ask them if Biden is president, see what they say.

I think Billy should pay up.

He can use excuses to avoid it forever if the goalposts keep moving. He said he was going to pay up the other day as soon as Biden travels on Air Force One (the one in livery), but when he does, Billy will say its fake footage, etc. As he did with the inauguration.

I think the election was very likely corrupt in some states. I've read enough to think that likely. But whether by votes or corruption, Biden is president so Billy should pay.

All these fantasies of the army secretly running the country and Trump being about to victoriously ride back into the Whitehouse on a white unicorn with his bleached quiff quivering in the breeze et al, are just that. Fantasies.

There is no doubt the election was fraudulent and stolen. The evidence is clear posted all over the internet and in the hands of the military. Who knows what they'll choose to do with it? All the markers indicate that the military is in control of the government, not Biden. I don't know what we're seeing but none of it makes sense
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 27, 2021, 01:18:33 PM
Anyone feel sorry for me? Thought not. Billy, your bet was that Trump would serve another term, that's never going to happen, period. You have zero chance of winning the bet. This country isn't without a president, if that were the case EVERYONE would know. Call your congressmen or the White House and ask them if Biden is president, see what they say.

I think Billy should pay up.

He can use excuses to avoid it forever if the goalposts keep moving. He said he was going to pay up the other day as soon as Biden travels on Air Force One (the one in livery), but when he does, Billy will say its fake footage, etc. As he did with the inauguration.

I think the election was very likely corrupt in some states. I've read enough to think that likely. But whether by votes or corruption, Biden is president so Billy should pay.

All these fantasies of the army secretly running the country and Trump being about to victoriously ride back into the Whitehouse on a white unicorn with his bleached quiff quivering in the breeze et al, are just that. Fantasies.

There is no doubt the election was fraudulent and stolen. The evidence is clear posted all over the internet and in the hands of the military. Who knows what they'll choose to do with it? All the markers indicate that the military is in control of the government, not Biden. I don't know what we're seeing but none of it makes sense

The ultimate proof Biden is Prez is that he is pushing the radical left looney tunes perverse agenda which is really an attack on normal women and their parents.

Destroying traditional families is part of the Communist manifesto, as well as further dividing the population.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9173767/Biden-signs-divisive-executive-order-pushing-schools-include-transgender-athletes-girls-sport.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 27, 2021, 04:24:13 PM
Biden was declared the winner of a proven cheated, stolen and fraudulent election. While we saw something that resembled an inauguration there are too many questions concerning it, the troop occupation being the glaring question, there are many others that indicate something else is in play.

Vegas odd makers too, haven't paid out on that bet, also some allowing withdrawal of the bet. Biden installed as the winner in a stolen election doesn't satisfy Vegas bets.

There are numerous indications that the military has intervened and likely controls the government until the military turns it over to the CiC.

Until the military makes that move Biden is nothing more than a play pretend president. Until then, the winner of the bet is whoever bet on the military


After I made my most recent posts, most people "get it". Reread to understand the terms of the bet.


While I have no doubt that there was fraud in the election, the Democrats played the game better. The election is over.

I would note Team Trump tried numerous legal challenges and was rebuffed every time with his 'evidence'.

Perhaps you two should say out loud 10 times every morning J. Biden is POTUS. You can mutter I did not vote for him.

There is an expression; 'The wise man knows what he does not know.'
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: tfcrew on January 27, 2021, 06:34:30 PM
I would note Team Trump tried numerous legal challenges and was rebuffed every time with his 'evidence'.
Quote
  The anomalies:
    In 132 years, no president has received more votes in his run for reelection and lost. Yet Donald Trump received 10 million more votes in 2020 than in 2016 -- and lost.
    Trump won 18 of the 19 counties both Democrats and Republicans regard as the "bellwether" counties that virtually always go with the outcome of presidential elections. Yet he lost.
    He won four bellwether states -- Florida, Ohio, Iowa and North Carolina. Yet he lost.
    Republicans held onto all the House seats they were defending and gained another 13 seats. Yet, Trump lost.

    Unprecedented efforts were made in some states to change election laws.
    Mostly Democratic states sent out tens of millions of ballots or applications for absentee ballots to people who never requested them.
    Voting began in some states six weeks before Election Day.
    People have submitted sworn affidavits at great personal cost and with possible perjury charges that they witnessed ballot tampering on election night.
    But all these things would matter little if Democrats involved in ballot-counting felt morally compelled to count votes honestly.

    So, then, there is one question I have never heard posed that trumps all other considerations: Would moral considerations prevent Democrats from cheating to oust Trump? Or, to put the question in the positive: Would Democrats deem it morally obligatory to cheat on behalf of Joe Biden?
    For four years, the media and their party, the Democrats, told us every day that Trump is a fascist, a dictator, a racist and a white supremacist; that he was an agent of the Russian government -- a real-life Manchurian candidate. We were also repeatedly told by the lying media (Trump's accurate description of the mainstream media) that in Charlottesville, Virginia, Trump said there are "very fine" Nazis (see the PragerU video, "The Charlottesville Lie"). Yes, the media told us with a straight face that a man with a Jewish daughter, Jewish son-in-law and Jewish grandchildren said there are fine Nazis.
MORE.....
http://townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/2021/01/26/the-most-important-question-about-the-2020-election-n2583706
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on January 27, 2021, 07:10:10 PM


While I have no doubt that there was fraud in the election, the Democrats played the game better. The election is over.

I would note Team Trump tried numerous legal challenges and was rebuffed every time with his 'evidence'.

Perhaps you two should say out loud 10 times every morning J. Biden is POTUS. You can mutter I did not vote for him.

There is an expression; 'The wise man knows what he does not know.'


I'll give you the benefit of the doubt as you may not be familiar with the US constitution or the US military. Who played the game better means nothing if the game (election) was conducted fraudulently. If so and it has been documented and proven, Earpiece Joe would be an illegitimate president and there are safeguards in protocals against installing a CiC under those circumstances. It has never happened to the point where it was discovered as it has in this case.

Maybe Ol' Earpiece stays in office, maybe he doesn't. We just do not know at this point. There are troops in DC and more on the way. They are not there protecting Ol' dementia Earpiece or even the capitol. Something is afoot and until it plays out we won't know what it is. Actions have been taken to rectify the fraud of the election. Where the chips fall we'll have to wait and see.

The 60 cases to which you refer were all dismissed on procedural grounds not on the merits or evidence of the cases. Billy is right not to pay at this time, I wouldn't either. There is a reason Earpiece hasn't been in the oval office or the pentagon to date. Until he is, he ain't president
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 27, 2021, 08:41:04 PM


While I have no doubt that there was fraud in the election, the Democrats played the game better. The election is over.

I would note Team Trump tried numerous legal challenges and was rebuffed every time with his 'evidence'.

Perhaps you two should say out loud 10 times every morning J. Biden is POTUS. You can mutter I did not vote for him.

There is an expression; 'The wise man knows what he does not know.'


I'll give you the benefit of the doubt as you may not be familiar with the US constitution or the US military. Who played the game better means nothing if the game (election) was conducted fraudulently. If so and it has been documented and proven, Earpiece Joe would be an illegitimate president and there are safeguards in protocals against installing a CiC under those circumstances. It has never happened to the point where it was discovered as it has in this case.

Maybe Ol' Earpiece stays in office, maybe he doesn't. We just do not know at this point. There are troops in DC and more on the way. They are not there protecting Ol' dementia Earpiece or even the capitol. Something is afoot and until it plays out we won't know what it is. Actions have been taken to rectify the fraud of the election. Where the chips fall we'll have to wait and see.

The 60 cases to which you refer were all dismissed on procedural grounds not on the merits or evidence of the cases. Billy is right not to pay at this time, I wouldn't either. There is a reason Earpiece hasn't been in the oval office or the pentagon to date. Until he is, he ain't president

I could swear I saw photos of the newly decorated Oval Office for Biden.

I certainly admire your optimism that the military is going to make things right but highly doubt it.

Jerk Stanley McCrystal said some pretty rude things about Trump supporters. Seems that most or all military officers prefer the money over risking life, limb and reputation to do the right thing.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2021/01/retired-army-general-likens-trump-supporters-to-al-qaeda-says-both-had-leader-who-justified-their-violence
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 27, 2021, 10:17:10 PM

After I made my most recent posts, most people "get it". Reread to understand the terms of the bet.


While I have no doubt that there was fraud in the election, the Democrats played the game better. The election is over.

I would note Team Trump tried numerous legal challenges and was rebuffed every time with his 'evidence'.

Perhaps you two should say out loud 10 times every morning J. Biden is POTUS. You can mutter I did not vote for him.

There is an expression; 'The wise man knows what he does not know.'


It doesn't matter what people think. Mhr7 and Moby should honor the terms of the bet and that is who is president after all disputes have ended.


All these fantasies of the army secretly running the country and Trump being about to victoriously ride back into the Whitehouse on a white unicorn with his bleached quiff quivering in the breeze et al, are just that. Fantasies.


Was it a fantasy when the general in charge of tens of thousands of troops in D.C. saying on national tv they're there for a peaceful transition to military power? Was the photograph of documents talking about insurrection act, marshal law, and appointments fantasy? There are thousands of troops that will remain in D.C. and they will patrol an unscalable fence topped with razor wire. Do you think it's to keep Trump supporters out? Our government is surrounded. If Biden was truly Commander in Chief, he can order the fence taken down and the troops to go home. After the fake inauguration, Biden went to Arlington National Cemetery to visit the tomb of the Unknown Soldier, a tradition of newly inaugurated Presidents. The military there did not give him a 21 gun salute which is done for Presidents. The gun salute they gave him was for foreign dignitaries. His inauguration is still on youtube if you don't believe me. A lot of talk on who is running this country. Biden's team knows this and they can silence the critics by asserting authority by firing a few generals, telling the troops in D.C. to go home and taking a ride on Air Force One.

Do you remember when President Jefferson Davis and Vice President Alexander Stephens were inaugurated by the Democrats Feb 18, 1861? Most people don't. Lincoln, the rightful President, kicked their ass. They came close to taking D.C. and if they did, history books would've been written differently. So we have another dispute on who is running this country 160 years later. Why is that so hard to believe?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on January 28, 2021, 09:45:44 AM

I could swear I saw photos of the newly decorated Oval Office for Biden.

I certainly admire your optimism that the military is going to make things right but highly doubt it.

Jerk Stanley McCrystal said some pretty rude things about Trump supporters. Seems that most or all military officers prefer the money over risking life, limb and reputation to do the right thing.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2021/01/retired-army-general-likens-trump-supporters-to-al-qaeda-says-both-had-leader-who-justified-their-violence

You haven't seen Biden in the oval office yet. It is obvious to those who actually looked, his first signing of EO's were not in the oval office. The rest have been in the Capitol building.

McCrystal is welcome to his opinion as are the rest of the US population and being the Obama supporter he is there is no doubt where his allegiances lie. It's okay for McCrystal to be wrong. I disagree with you though about most of the military. Many to most are God loving patriots and take their oath very seriously, I did and still do. There is however, no doubt there is some within the military that ignore their oath and have nefarious orders given to them by nefarious superiors. The military is the only entity in position to correct a wrong and make a difference. We'll have to stay on the sideline and see if they do. It's pretty obvious to me they are currently in control and have no intention of being there in the long term. I have no idea how this will play out but IMO, to date they have not turned the government over to Ol'Earpiece
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 28, 2021, 11:52:09 AM

I could swear I saw photos of the newly decorated Oval Office for Biden.

I certainly admire your optimism that the military is going to make things right but highly doubt it.

Jerk Stanley McCrystal said some pretty rude things about Trump supporters. Seems that most or all military officers prefer the money over risking life, limb and reputation to do the right thing.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2021/01/retired-army-general-likens-trump-supporters-to-al-qaeda-says-both-had-leader-who-justified-their-violence

You haven't seen Biden in the oval office yet. It is obvious to those who actually looked, his first signing of EO's were not in the oval office. The rest have been in the Capitol building.

McCrystal is welcome to his opinion as are the rest of the US population and being the Obama supporter he is there is no doubt where his allegiances lie. It's okay for McCrystal to be wrong. I disagree with you though about most of the military. Many to most are God loving patriots and take their oath very seriously, I did and still do. There is however, no doubt there is some within the military that ignore their oath and have nefarious orders given to them by nefarious superiors. The military is the only entity in position to correct a wrong and make a difference. We'll have to stay on the sideline and see if they do. It's pretty obvious to me they are currently in control and have no intention of being there in the long term. I have no idea how this will play out but IMO, to date they have not turned the government over to Ol'Earpiece

Well of course all Patriots hope you are right. What we are seeing though is a two-tiered system of justice playing out in front of our eyes.

They are saying that if you were Antifa and BLM and proclaimed you wish to overthrow the US government and that you burned down Police stations and shopping centers and looted Billions you won't be prosecuted.

But the crooks in Congress who voted to certify a thief, a liar and now a Marxist, well that's okay and to further the charade the Capitol protesters are facing years, perhaps decades in jail

#PatriotLivesMatter
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 28, 2021, 12:11:07 PM
#AshliBabbitsLifeMatters

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/capitol-protests-who-was-ashli-babbitt.print
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 28, 2021, 01:45:43 PM
You haven't seen Biden in the oval office yet. It is obvious to those who actually looked, his first signing of EO's were not in the oval office. The rest have been in the Capitol building.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: NS1 on January 28, 2021, 02:13:32 PM
I don't think many like the fact that Biden won and how he won.
But reality is, hes the New president of the USA.

Bets should be paid or it says what kind of man you are.
I bet if you paid and were proven right, then folks would refund your money and pay up.
Own it, or your no better than what your trying to defend.

Or you can write more excuses??

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on January 28, 2021, 02:43:59 PM

Was it a fantasy when the general in charge of tens of thousands of troops in D.C. saying on national tv they're there for a peaceful transition to military power? Was the photograph of documents talking about insurrection act, marshal law, and appointments fantasy? There are thousands of troops that will remain in D.C. and they will patrol an unscalable fence topped with razor wire. Do you think it's to keep Trump supporters out? Our government is surrounded. If Biden was truly Commander in Chief, he can order the fence taken down and the troops to go home. After the fake inauguration, Biden went to Arlington National Cemetery to visit the tomb of the Unknown Soldier, a tradition of newly inaugurated Presidents. Biden's team knows this and they can silence the critics by asserting authority by firing a few generals, telling the troops in D.C. to go home and taking a ride on Air Force One.


What is the name of this general? If that was on national TV that should be recorded some place. What is that not on fox news?

Why should Biden want the fence taken down and the troops to go home. They are they to protect him and to keep him as president. Once the senate certified the electoral college vote on Jan 6 there is little can be done to reverse the election. Biden is president for four years no matter what. If there is fraud in some states they need to be deal with in the courts but at this point it does not change the election. 

The troops in DC maybe permanent to prevent any future capitol riot. Just because they are there does not mean they are in any way in charge.  Previously we have had one of the lease guarded capitols of a major country in the world. This very well may change.  It would not surprise me if there is not talk of moving the capitol out of DC to more in the center of the country where it can be better protected.

Ever day goes by Biden is more in charge. All the republicans are calling him President Biden.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on January 28, 2021, 03:02:11 PM
Apparently, It does not swing virginia, but it is a huge win for trump

https://www.lifezette.com/2021/01/judge-rules-elections-board-in-virginia-broke-the-law-with-rule-about-late-absentee-mail-in-ballots/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 28, 2021, 03:42:23 PM
Apparently, It does not swing virginia, but it is a huge win for trump

https://www.lifezette.com/2021/01/judge-rules-elections-board-in-virginia-broke-the-law-with-rule-about-late-absentee-mail-in-ballots/

https://publicinterestlegal.org/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 28, 2021, 03:50:04 PM
https://fort-russ.com/2021/01/counter-intelligence-operations-and-how-to-not-get-played/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 28, 2021, 09:04:01 PM

Was it a fantasy when the general in charge of tens of thousands of troops in D.C. saying on national tv they're there for a peaceful transition to military power? Was the photograph of documents talking about insurrection act, marshal law, and appointments fantasy? There are thousands of troops that will remain in D.C. and they will patrol an unscalable fence topped with razor wire. Do you think it's to keep Trump supporters out? Our government is surrounded. If Biden was truly Commander in Chief, he can order the fence taken down and the troops to go home. After the fake inauguration, Biden went to Arlington National Cemetery to visit the tomb of the Unknown Soldier, a tradition of newly inaugurated Presidents. Biden's team knows this and they can silence the critics by asserting authority by firing a few generals, telling the troops in D.C. to go home and taking a ride on Air Force One.


What is the name of this general? If that was on national TV that should be recorded some place. What is that not on fox news?

Why should Biden want the fence taken down and the troops to go home. They are they to protect him and to keep him as president. Once the senate certified the electoral college vote on Jan 6 there is little can be done to reverse the election. Biden is president for four years no matter what. If there is fraud in some states they need to be deal with in the courts but at this point it does not change the election. 

The troops in DC maybe permanent to prevent any future capitol riot. Just because they are there does not mean they are in any way in charge.  Previously we have had one of the lease guarded capitols of a major country in the world. This very well may change.  It would not surprise me if there is not talk of moving the capitol out of DC to more in the center of the country where it can be better protected.

Ever day goes by Biden is more in charge. All the republicans are calling him President Biden.

Here is the transcript from GMA, Gen. Walker and George Stephanopoulos doing the speaking.

George. Martha, thanks. Let's bring in major general William walker, thank you for joining us this morning. Can you start out by saying the current threat level is, do you have what you need to place to counter it? Good morning, sir. If I can first say, happy holiday to martin Luther king. Please allow me to say how proud I am of the almost 25,000 national guardsmen who have come in from all 50 states and territories to help support the secret service and the police departments, with a peaceful transition of military power. Good morning, sir. Thank you for that, sir. So the question was, do I have enough? Yes, I believe do. Tell us what the role of the National Guard is going to be, are they trained for policing activities? What can they do? What can't they do? What are they trained for? We're trained for civil disturbance. We practice it yearly. We rehears it when we get here. So we are the backup, layer of protection for the secret service the capitol police, the metropolitan police department and the United States parks police. We're part of the layered defense to ensure that the bubble, the bubble that will be around the vice President-Elect and the President-Elect, so that we can have a peaceful transfer of power. We do this every four years. Not with these kind of numbers. Not with these kind of numbers. I will tell you, we've had close to 10,000 in the past. Tell me, the secretary of the army said the guard deployed to the capitol will be screened for possible insider threats, can that be done this quickly? We have the technology. We do that every four years as well. What happens is, they're screened before they leave their state and what it is, is a credentialing process. They're screened and repeatedly screened until they are actually put on the street. What does that entail? Are they asked if they believe this was a legitimate election, questions like that. No, it's all about their backgrounds. A regular background check is enhanced with more screening, more details, and it's layered. The FBI is part of it. The secret service is part of it and once they are certain that there's no insider threat, then that soldier, guardsman or airman is given a credential. What does it say to you about the situation we're facing today that soldiers have to be screened for an insider threat? Well, we already screened -- to join the United States military, you go through a series of background checks, so every guardsman, every military person is screened to make sure that we know our soldiers and airmen. So it's just another layer and then a layer on top of that, just to be absolutely certain. But everyone joining the military is screened in and for an event like this, you're scene out. You confident you have the situation in hand? I am, sir. Major, thanks for your time this morning, robin.

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/News/video/head-dc-national-guard-discusses-inauguration-security-75318914

Note he says "of military power" not "to military power". Does anything in this interview make you think the military controls the country instead of President Biden??
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 28, 2021, 09:32:38 PM


While I have no doubt that there was fraud in the election, the Democrats played the game better. The election is over.

I would note Team Trump tried numerous legal challenges and was rebuffed every time with his 'evidence'.

Perhaps you two should say out loud 10 times every morning J. Biden is POTUS. You can mutter I did not vote for him.

There is an expression; 'The wise man knows what he does not know.'


I'll give you the benefit of the doubt as you may not be familiar with the US constitution or the US military. Who played the game better means nothing if the game (election) was conducted fraudulently. If so and it has been documented and proven, Earpiece Joe would be an illegitimate president and there are safeguards in protocals against installing a CiC under those circumstances. It has never happened to the point where it was discovered as it has in this case.

Maybe Ol' Earpiece stays in office, maybe he doesn't. We just do not know at this point. There are troops in DC and more on the way. They are not there protecting Ol' dementia Earpiece or even the capitol. Something is afoot and until it plays out we won't know what it is. Actions have been taken to rectify the fraud of the election. Where the chips fall we'll have to wait and see.

The 60 cases to which you refer were all dismissed on procedural grounds not on the merits or evidence of the cases. Billy is right not to pay at this time, I wouldn't either. There is a reason Earpiece hasn't been in the oval office or the pentagon to date. Until he is, he ain't president

After the 2020 United States presidential election, the campaign for incumbent President Donald Trump and others filed and lost 86 lawsuits[1][2][3][4][5][6] contesting election processes, vote counting, and the vote certification process in multiple states, including Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.[7]

Nearly all the suits were dismissed or dropped due to lack of evidence;[8] judges, lawyers, and other observers described the suits as "frivolous"[9] and "without merit".[10] In one instance, the Trump campaign and other groups seeking his reelection collectively lost multiple cases in six states on a single day.[11] Only one ruling was initially in Trump's favor: the timing within which first-time Pennsylvania voters must provide proper identification if they wanted to “cure” their ballots. This ruling affected very few votes,[2] and it was later overturned by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election

Some cases were dismissed for lack of standing and others based on the merits of the voter fraud allegations. The decisions have came from both Democratic-appointed and Republican-appointed judges – including federal judges appointed by Trump.

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/politics/elections/2021/01/06/trumps-failed-efforts-overturn-election-numbers/4130307001/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 28, 2021, 09:40:02 PM
It doesn't matter what people think. Mhr7 and Moby should honor the terms of the bet and that is who is president after all disputes have ended.

Was it a fantasy when the general in charge of tens of thousands of troops in D.C. saying on national tv they're there for a peaceful transition to military power? Was the photograph of documents talking about insurrection act, marshal law, and appointments fantasy? There are thousands of troops that will remain in D.C. and they will patrol an unscalable fence topped with razor wire. Do you think it's to keep Trump supporters out? Our government is surrounded. If Biden was truly Commander in Chief, he can order the fence taken down and the troops to go home. After the fake inauguration, Biden went to Arlington National Cemetery to visit the tomb of the Unknown Soldier, a tradition of newly inaugurated Presidents. The military there did not give him a 21 gun salute which is done for Presidents. The gun salute they gave him was for foreign dignitaries. His inauguration is still on youtube if you don't believe me. A lot of talk on who is running this country. Biden's team knows this and they can silence the critics by asserting authority by firing a few generals, telling the troops in D.C. to go home and taking a ride on Air Force One.

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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 28, 2021, 09:48:35 PM

After I made my most recent posts, most people "get it". Reread to understand the terms of the bet.


While I have no doubt that there was fraud in the election, the Democrats played the game better. The election is over.

I would note Team Trump tried numerous legal challenges and was rebuffed every time with his 'evidence'.

Perhaps you two should say out loud 10 times every morning J. Biden is POTUS. You can mutter I did not vote for him.

There is an expression; 'The wise man knows what he does not know.'


It doesn't matter what people think. Mhr7 and Moby should honor the terms of the bet and that is who is president after all disputes have ended.


All these fantasies of the army secretly running the country and Trump being about to victoriously ride back into the Whitehouse on a white unicorn with his bleached quiff quivering in the breeze et al, are just that. Fantasies.


Was it a fantasy when the general in charge of tens of thousands of troops in D.C. saying on national tv they're there for a peaceful transition to military power? Was the photograph of documents talking about insurrection act, marshal law, and appointments fantasy? There are thousands of troops that will remain in D.C. and they will patrol an unscalable fence topped with razor wire. Do you think it's to keep Trump supporters out? Our government is surrounded. If Biden was truly Commander in Chief, he can order the fence taken down and the troops to go home. After the fake inauguration, Biden went to Arlington National Cemetery to visit the tomb of the Unknown Soldier, a tradition of newly inaugurated Presidents. The military there did not give him a 21 gun salute which is done for Presidents. The gun salute they gave him was for foreign dignitaries. His inauguration is still on youtube if you don't believe me. A lot of talk on who is running this country. Biden's team knows this and they can silence the critics by asserting authority by firing a few generals, telling the troops in D.C. to go home and taking a ride on Air Force One.

Do you remember when President Jefferson Davis and Vice President Alexander Stephens were inaugurated by the Democrats Feb 18, 1861? Most people don't. Lincoln, the rightful President, kicked their ass. They came close to taking D.C. and if they did, history books would've been written differently. So we have another dispute on who is running this country 160 years later. Why is that so hard to believe?

Moby and I have honored the bet. There is nothing left that can change the outcome.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-meme-nine-questions/fact-check-meme-features-false-list-of-nine-questions-to-claim-biden-is-not-president-idUSKBN29V2CV

This has more credibility to it than you do, don't care if you don't "believe" in them.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 28, 2021, 10:46:43 PM
You haven't seen Biden in the oval office yet. It is obvious to those who actually looked, his first signing of EO's were not in the oval office. The rest have been in the Capitol building.


Every evening the power has been turned off at the White House. Live Cam proves this. Hope they turned off the heat too.


What is the name of this general? If that was on national TV that should be recorded some place. What is that not on fox news?


Video in link below where General said "troops are in D.C for a peaceful transition to military power". He then realized he let the cat out of the bag and redirected the interview in another direction. Biden still isn't allowed to fly on the Air Force's Air Force One. Fox News has gone to the left. In 2017 they appointed Biden's ex Chief of Staff to VP of operations. The also hired other liberals. Don't expect them to report something favorable to Trump.

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/News/video/head-dc-national-guard-discusses-inauguration-security-75318914


Ever day goes by Biden is more in charge. All the republicans are calling him President Biden.


That's what MSM wants you to believe and they are all too eager to show you when a Republican calls Biden "President". How many people here know that the House Republican leader flew down to Florida today to have a private meeting with Trump? What did they talk about in private that couldn't be talked about over the phone?


I don't think many like the fact that Biden won and how he won.
But reality is, hes the New president of the USA.

Bets should be paid or it says what kind of man you are.
I bet if you paid and were proven right, then folks would refund your money and pay up.
Own it, or your no better than what your trying to defend.

Or you can write more excuses??

Terms of the contract to the bet are clear. I don't know why I have to repeat myself 50 times. Don't encourage people to violate a contract. Mhr7, Moby and I all knew the dispute could go past Jan 20th. I believe I won and I'm not asking to get paid right now. Insurrection Act has been signed and military is in charge with troops in DC to promote the peaceful transfer to military power. The peaceful transfer was successful. The fence is still up and troops remain not to keep protestors away but to keep politicians in check. Biden along with MSM can show a fake inauguration within the fenced area but it doesn't make Biden the legitimate President. Once the military conducts court hearings quietly, they will find China and other foreign powers got involved in our elections and will take corrective action.


https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-meme-nine-questions/fact-check-meme-features-false-list-of-nine-questions-to-claim-biden-is-not-president-idUSKBN29V2CV

This has more credibility to it than you do, don't care if you don't "believe" in them.

MSM factchecking doesn't have any credibility. Earlier you posted a video of the canon shots during Biden's visit and then removed it. Why? Because it wasn't a 21 gun salute? There were three canons present with an 8 second pause between firing for Biden. That is the salute the military provides for foreign dignitaries. Below is a video of the salute they give to Presidents, Trump inauguration in particular. 4 canons are present and they fire in rapid succession which is a clear difference than what Biden got. Watch both videos closely and you'll realize I'm not lying to you. As usual, MSM fact checking is lying to you and the World.




Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on January 28, 2021, 10:56:28 PM
You haven't seen Biden in the oval office yet. It is obvious to those who actually looked, his first signing of EO's were not in the oval office. The rest have been in the Capitol building.



This clips first photo of Ol' Earpiece shows a truck in the rose garden. Look through the window. There are no trucks in the rose garden. The earlier photos of Dementia Joe in the Oval office signing EOs there was a parking lot in the rose garden. Guess what, there's no parking lot there either. There were numerous other differences as well but I'll leave you to work those out. Those photo ops were taken on a Hollywood movie set. China Joe isn't in the Oval office

The bet isn't yet settled. Pedo Joe isn't in charge of the country. Does the man that supposedly gained more votes than any presidential candidate in history really need 25K soldiers to protect him? From who? Yeah, the same candidate that couldn't fill up a school bus at his rallies? Too many things are not adding up. If you are needing money that bad that you can't wait until it is settled perhaps I could loan you a few bucks? Are you hungry, have they cut your lights off, what? What's your hurry?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 28, 2021, 11:54:47 PM

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-meme-nine-questions/fact-check-meme-features-false-list-of-nine-questions-to-claim-biden-is-not-president-idUSKBN29V2CV

This has more credibility to it than you do, don't care if you don't "believe" in them.

MSM factchecking doesn't have any credibility. Earlier you posted a video of the canon shots during Biden's visit and then removed it. Why? Because it wasn't a 21 gun salute? There were three canons present with an 8 second pause between firing for Biden. That is the salute the military provides for foreign dignitaries. Below is a video of the salute they give to Presidents, Trump inauguration in particular. 4 canons are present and they fire in rapid succession which is a clear difference than what Biden got. Watch both videos closely and you'll realize I'm not lying to you. As usual, MSM fact checking is lying to you and the World.



You don't have any credibility Billy, go ahead and dismiss anything that upsets you and disagrees with your psychotic fantisises. This is the dumbest bet I've ever been a part of.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 29, 2021, 12:09:48 AM
If Dementia Joe is not Prez than why did this man get laid off from the Keystone pipeline?

Trump had his chance to stop a real insurrection this summer and his failure to act cost this country dearly.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 29, 2021, 12:12:00 AM
You haven't seen Biden in the oval office yet. It is obvious to those who actually looked, his first signing of EO's were not in the oval office. The rest have been in the Capitol building.



This clips first photo of Ol' Earpiece shows a truck in the rose garden. Look through the window. There are no trucks in the rose garden. The earlier photos of Dementia Joe in the Oval office signing EOs there was a parking lot in the rose garden. Guess what, there's no parking lot there either. There were numerous other differences as well but I'll leave you to work those out. Those photo ops were taken on a Hollywood movie set. China Joe isn't in the Oval office

The bet isn't yet settled. Pedo Joe isn't in charge of the country. Does the man that supposedly gained more votes than any presidential candidate in history really need 25K soldiers to protect him? From who? Yeah, the same candidate that couldn't fill up a school bus at his rallies? Too many things are not adding up. If you are needing money that bad that you can't wait until it is settled perhaps I could loan you a few bucks? Are you hungry, have they cut your lights off, what? What's your hurry?

There's no convincing those lost in Imagination Land.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 29, 2021, 01:57:48 AM
FP, there's nothing I can say that will change your mind and I want my money because there is no reasonable dispute that's going to change anything. It's over, Biden won, he is president. Trump is gone for good. The bet has been won. Billy has gone beyond the bounds of the spirit of the bet. If I'd known he was going to be like this, there would have been no bet. He has no honor.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 29, 2021, 02:50:33 AM
FP, there's nothing I can say that will change your mind and I want my money because there is no reasonable dispute that's going to change anything. It's over, Biden won, he is president. Trump is gone for good. The bet has been won. Billy has gone beyond the bounds of the spirit of the bet. If I'd known he was going to be like this, there would have been no bet. He has no honor.

The above was why I did not engage BillyB when he offered to wager with me.

I can respect his viewpoint, but not his standpoint. It is time to look forward and plan for a different future.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 29, 2021, 04:30:28 AM
mhr7, it isn't a matter of honour or honesty for Billy. He is inhabiting a fantasy world disconnected from reality.

Imagine the stress he'd go through by paying you? It'd mean accepting that his world does not exist and building a new version of a world which to us does not exist but for Billy is entirely real.

I knew somebody who showed similar characteristics, it is very hard to deal with such people. Those close to victims of this disorder find themselves questioning their own reality. I pity Billy's family, it must be very difficult for them when his version of the world differs from their reality.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: NS1 on January 29, 2021, 10:23:42 AM
So he gives excuses, makes it hard to take him seriously and
his word is worthless. One less person to read now,
I will just pass by his posts, he does not live in the same world as rest of us.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 29, 2021, 10:27:56 AM
So he gives excuses, makes it hard to take him seriously and
his word is worthless. One less person to read now,
I will just pass by his posts, he does not live in the same world as rest of us.


Oh, Billy is far from being alone! here are millions like him. Not all share the same beliefs, but many do. Our mental palaces are all very individual even if some aspects of them are shared by other similarly afflicted people.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: NS1 on January 29, 2021, 10:32:08 AM
So he gives excuses, makes it hard to take him seriously and
his word is worthless. One less person to read now,
I will just pass by his posts, he does not live in the same world as rest of us.


Oh, Billy is far from being alone! here are millions like him. Not all share the same beliefs, but many do. Our mental palaces are all very individual even if some aspects of them are shared by other similarly afflicted people.

I understand we all see the world slightly different.
based on our views, how we live, money and a myriad of other things.
But I am old school, being a man of your word holds value to me.
his beliefs are not even normal. and yes I know there are millions
who are not normal lol.

But he is now being delusional, seeing things that are not there.
I hope his family can get him the help he needs.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 29, 2021, 10:38:31 AM
NS1, I get that and, to a degree I agree.

The problem is that to delusional people, the world they see is as real to them as what we see of the world is to non-delusional people. That's why I said that, to Billy, he is not being dishonourable. In his world, Biden is not the president, the army are running things and Trump remains the president of the Untied States.

As I noted, I have experienced similar delusions in somebody very close to me. Her world was entirely real to her, just as it is to Billy. He probably cannot even understand why people are calling him a welcher, dishonest or dishonourable.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: NS1 on January 29, 2021, 10:58:40 AM
NS1, I get that and, to a degree I agree.

The problem is that to delusional people, the world they see is as real to them as what we see of the world is to non-delusional people. That's why I said that, to Billy, he is not being dishonourable. In his world, Biden is not the president, the army are running things and Trump remains the president of the Untied States.

As I noted, I have experienced similar delusions in somebody very close to me. Her world was entirely real to her, just as it is to Billy. He probably cannot even understand why people are calling him a welcher, dishonest or dishonourable.

That in itself is scary and I hope others around him recognize this and get him help.
Before he hurts himself or someone else. I doubt the ones owed money here are worried about it,
 its more bragging rights. But this whole conversation leads to deeper issues.

rights
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 29, 2021, 11:42:48 AM
I doubt there's any help for him, after all, there's millions similar to him.

The affected person was somebody I have written about on here before - properly ill.
In the USA right now, Billy and those like him (Repub or Dem are the same) are the new normal.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 29, 2021, 12:19:12 PM
If we removed standpoints and political positions, there would not be much difference between ms and BillyB.

Sort of scary when you think about it.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 29, 2021, 03:21:14 PM
No, I don't think so. Moby knew what he was doing. It was a planned and practiced set of skills and strategies.

Billy just lives in a world where Donald Trump is still the president of the USA and where Kim Jon-un died several months ago.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 29, 2021, 04:33:16 PM
mhr7, it isn't a matter of honour or honesty for Billy. He is inhabiting a fantasy world disconnected from reality.

Imagine the stress he'd go through by paying you? It'd mean accepting that his world does not exist and building a new version of a world which to us does not exist but for Billy is entirely real.

I knew somebody who showed similar characteristics, it is very hard to deal with such people. Those close to victims of this disorder find themselves questioning their own reality. I pity Billy's family, it must be very difficult for them when his version of the world differs from their reality.

I understand and that's why I mention his fantasy world in my post. Then there is the other side of keeping money hostage, misrepresenting himself regarding the terms of the bet and being a gentleman. It's not my problem that Billy is in his own world but I keep having to play the game by his rules. I believe a strict date has to be set instead of some unknown time when Biden actually travels on AF One. I think that is a reasonable solution. I think Feb. 20th is a fair date as that will have given Billy 1 month's time and I would also like to find someone who will hold onto the money to ensure the rules are followed and Billy can't keep extending the time or making excuses.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 29, 2021, 04:57:38 PM
I agree. The deal was that if Biden became president he'd pay up. It is clear that he did. Even if Trump were to ride up on a white horse tomorrow, he should've paid up days ago.

But he's clinging to his fantasy. If Biden were to clamber down the steps of AF-1 tomorrow he'd likely make a new condition on the basis that it was an impostor becsuae the real Joe Biden is in a military jail.

In the end it isn't unreasonable to expect delusional people to actually live in the real world. We shouldn't pander to their delusions.

I was commenting on what I reckon is going through his mind.

As long as people's delusions don't get in the way of real life then let them have their fantasy world but they still need to live by the normal rules and social conventions of our lives. You wanna believe the world is flat that's fine, but don't expect me to fly to China rather than take a boat to avoid falling off the edge of the world.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 29, 2021, 07:20:40 PM
No, I don't think so. Moby knew what he was doing. It was a planned and practiced set of skills and strategies.

Billy just lives in a world where Donald Trump is still the president of the USA and where Kim Jon-un died several months ago.

Both are delusional, ms had a looser grip on his past but the fantasy is the foundation. One can call the coping means, skills and strategies but it has no solid base in reality. On a number of tabloids today are images of K. Harris anf J. Biden in the oval office of the White House.

While I have a bit more respect for BillyB, I suspect/fear based on his past history BillyB will not relinquish his beliefs for months.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 29, 2021, 07:21:20 PM
Remember, the bet is completed after all avenues of determining the President have been exhausted whether it be State Legislatures, Congress, Courts or guns. All we have left are courts and guns. SCOTUS is going to hear a case after Jan 20th because they delayed it on purpose since they are compromised but I believe this will get settled with guns sooner. The only court left for Biden will be military tribunal.


Mhr7, because you continue to cry, I will go back to the original terms of the bet. If I see Biden fly on Air Force One, I will pay Moby. I have his Paypal address. For you, all disputes must be settled as we previously AGREED on. Courts and guns are still in play. I posted the terms clearly on this and the other forum. You didn't complain about the terms then when you made the bet. The people on this forum who are complaining on your behalf didn't complain about the terms of the bet when it was made but apparently they are complaining now. They seem to be the type of people who do not honor contracts while claiming others as being dishonorable. We do live in different worlds.

The military is in charge of our country right now as they sort things out. Biden had to take a commercial plane to D.C. while Trump got Air Force One and the nuclear football to go to Florida. General in charge of National Guard said troops are there for a peaceful transfer to military power. Biden faked his inauguration. Military gives two 21 gun salutes for new presidents on the day of their inauguration. Biden got none. He did get a canon salute that foreign dignitaries get at Arlington National Cemetery because the military views D.C. as being occupied by a foreign power and it's why they've been surround. Doesn't anybody really believe they are there to defend against Trump supporters? The VP's house is located at the Naval Observatory which is on military property. Kamala Harris is not allowed to move in.

The whole House of Representatives shut down work for the week. The media failed to report our government failing to show up for work. No telling when they'll get back to work. The House Republican leader flew down to Florida yesterday to have a private talk with Trump. Apparently what was talked about couldn't be said over the phone.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 29, 2021, 07:31:43 PM
mhr7 there is nothing that anyone can post to change the standpoint of BillyB.

My guess he will admit in due time the actual reality and pay up. For myself it is not worth the effort to dispel the fantasy. There are enough forums for this sort of fantasy so lets with RUA go back to reality and other topics.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 29, 2021, 07:49:47 PM
Remember, the bet is completed after all avenues of determining the President have been exhausted whether it be State Legislatures, Congress, Courts or guns. All we have left are courts and guns. SCOTUS is going to hear a case after Jan 20th because they delayed it on purpose since they are compromised but I believe this will get settled with guns sooner. The only court left for Biden will be military tribunal.


Mhr7, because you continue to cry, I will go back to the original terms of the bet. If I see Biden fly on Air Force One, I will pay Moby. I have his Paypal address. For you, all disputes must be settled as we previously AGREED on. Courts and guns are still in play. I posted the terms clearly on this and the other forum. You didn't complain about the terms then when you made the bet. The people on this forum who are complaining on your behalf didn't complain about the terms of the bet when it was made but apparently they are complaining now. They seem to be the type of people who do not honor contracts while claiming others as being dishonorable. We do live in different worlds.

The military is in charge of our country right now as they sort things out. Biden had to take a commercial plane to D.C. while Trump got Air Force One and the nuclear football to go to Florida. General in charge of National Guard said troops are there for a peaceful transfer to military power. Biden faked his inauguration. Military gives two 21 gun salutes for new presidents on the day of their inauguration. Biden got none. He did get a canon salute that foreign dignitaries get at Arlington National Cemetery because the military views D.C. as being occupied by a foreign power and it's why they've been surround. Doesn't anybody really believe they are there to defend against Trump supporters? The VP's house is located at the Naval Observatory which is on military property. Kamala Harris is not allowed to move in.

The whole House of Representatives shut down work for the week. The media failed to report our government failing to show up for work. No telling when they'll get back to work. The House Republican leader flew down to Florida yesterday to have a private talk with Trump. Apparently what was talked about couldn't be said over the phone.

Then I'm dropping out of the bet. You're not going to dictate your bullshit terms on our bet. Take that money and shove it right up your ass.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 29, 2021, 08:48:23 PM
mhr7 there is nothing that anyone can post to change the standpoint of BillyB.

My guess he will admit in due time the actual reality and pay up.

It seems to me that if Biden was not President the guys who had been working on the Keystone Pipeline would not have been laid off.

Although I will admit to being an optimist and do believe that many odd things are possible.

Over all I think Biden is President, as much as that is a gigantic disappointment as I believe there was indeed massive fraud.

People are saying Billy is delusional and I say mhr7 and company are just as delusional when they deny there was massive fraud.

Looks to me like Biden is Prez and eventually I suspect Billy will pay the bet. Although after carefully considering his requirements for the bet I do believe he has a right to wait a bit.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on January 29, 2021, 09:37:56 PM

It seems to me that if Biden was not President the guys who had been working on the Keystone Pipeline would not have been laid off.

Although I will admit to being an optimist and do believe that many odd things are possible.

Over all I think Biden is President, as much as that is a gigantic disappointment as I believe there was indeed massive fraud.

People are saying Billy is delusional and I say mhr7 and company are just as delusional when they deny there was massive fraud.

Looks to me like Biden is Prez and eventually I suspect Billy will pay the bet. Although after carefully considering his requirements for the bet I do believe he has a right to wait a bit.

If or when at anytime it is clear Pedo Joe is president I have no doubt Billy will pay the bet. I believe Billy to be an honorable man and have no reason to believe he is not. There are too many variables that indicate Pedo isn't in control of the gubmint thus, isn't president. I don't blame Billy for not paying out yet. Have you ever heard of an honorable democrat? Much less one that would pay money back on a bet like this if it were proven Ol' Earpiece wasn't president? Billy, hang on to your money for now. Hope that when/if China Joe is yanked and in the stockade mrh7 pays you as agreed.

mhr7 is already whining like a stood up prom date. Apparently the cupboard bare and the boy is hungry. I've offered to loan him money to hold him over until it's resolved but he's declined. I suppose the interest rate isn't to his liking
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 29, 2021, 11:41:56 PM
Then I'm dropping out of the bet. You're not going to dictate your bullshit terms on our bet. Take that money and shove it right up your ass.


A bet is a bet. You already agreed to the terms and we both are committed. Are you getting nervous your liberal news sources say the military may oust Biden as an illegitimate president who stole Americans votes and an election? Biden and company stole votes from Trump and flipped them to Biden. A lot of Americans are still steaming mad their votes were manipulated. When the military finishes sorting this mess out, they will reveal their findings with an announcement.

Yesterday somebody secretly recorded Trump at a golf course and thanked him for his service. Trump replied he wasn't finished yet and he will be back. Turn up the volume to hear Trump's response.


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 30, 2021, 09:26:28 AM
Then I'm dropping out of the bet. You're not going to dictate your bullshit terms on our bet. Take that money and shove it right up your ass.


A bet is a bet. You already agreed to the terms and we both are committed. Are you getting nervous your liberal news sources say the military may oust Biden as an illegitimate president who stole Americans votes and an election? Biden and company stole votes from Trump and flipped them to Biden. A lot of Americans are still steaming mad their votes were manipulated. When the military finishes sorting this mess out, they will reveal their findings with an announcement.

Yesterday somebody secretly recorded Trump at a golf course and thanked him for his service. Trump replied he wasn't finished yet and he will be back. Turn up the volume to hear Trump's response.



I agreed to reasonable terms under the impression you'd be realistic. That's no longer the case. I will not be part of your psycho world. You will keep moving and moving the goalposts. No bet. If you will agree to a definate deadline no later than the 1st of March and someone else holding the money, then we can renew the bet.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 30, 2021, 09:31:14 AM

It seems to me that if Biden was not President the guys who had been working on the Keystone Pipeline would not have been laid off.

Although I will admit to being an optimist and do believe that many odd things are possible.

Over all I think Biden is President, as much as that is a gigantic disappointment as I believe there was indeed massive fraud.

People are saying Billy is delusional and I say mhr7 and company are just as delusional when they deny there was massive fraud.

Looks to me like Biden is Prez and eventually I suspect Billy will pay the bet. Although after carefully considering his requirements for the bet I do believe he has a right to wait a bit.

If or when at anytime it is clear Pedo Joe is president I have no doubt Billy will pay the bet. I believe Billy to be an honorable man and have no reason to believe he is not. There are too many variables that indicate Pedo isn't in control of the gubmint thus, isn't president. I don't blame Billy for not paying out yet. Have you ever heard of an honorable democrat? Much less one that would pay money back on a bet like this if it were proven Ol' Earpiece wasn't president? Billy, hang on to your money for now. Hope that when/if China Joe is yanked and in the stockade mrh7 pays you as agreed.

mhr7 is already whining like a stood up prom date. Apparently the cupboard bare and the boy is hungry. I've offered to loan him money to hold him over until it's resolved but he's declined. I suppose the interest rate isn't to his liking.

           :ROFL:             :ROFL:           :ROFL:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on January 30, 2021, 09:52:04 AM
Dream on. The secretary of defense has been appointed by Joe Biden. Anti Biden generals and top brass has been retired from the military. An on going effort is being conducted to get rid of any left overs. The military is not going to put Biden out of office. Once the electoral college voted and the senate certified it, it is over.  Stolen or not Biden is president for 4 years. Biden so far enjoys a 65 per cent approval rating. No one is going to put him out of power any time soon. Noticed how this has change. A few days ago the military was secretly in charge and now they are going to replace Biden in the near future. How long is the near future?   How about the end of February if Biden is still in control is that proof? How about the end of March? How about a time limited when this is going to happen?  If Biden fly on air force one and meet foreign heads of state, does this mean he is president to stay? 

That clip on the golf court does not mean anything.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 30, 2021, 12:41:36 PM
mhr7 is already whining like a stood up prom date. Apparently the cupboard bare and the boy is hungry. I've offered to loan him money to hold him over until it's resolved but he's declined. I suppose the interest rate isn't to his liking

How bout you loan me the money then Billy can pay you whenever you ladies decide to come back to reality.
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on January 30, 2021, 12:53:16 PM
FP, there's nothing I can say that will change your mind and I want my money because there is no reasonable dispute that's going to change anything. He has no honor.

I disagree,

I think Billy really thinks that Trump is still president and that
they've turned off the power at the white house. I didn't realize
until reading his recent posts what he really believes.

I don't like that Biden is president and I DO believe that the Dem's
stole the election by fraud and the limp dick Republican'ts let them
but Biden is president. It sucks, but it's true. 



Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 30, 2021, 01:17:58 PM
At least a few posters are capable to see the (sad) reality that J. Biden is President.

DillyBilly and Social Mistake live in some alternative zone where they 'think' Trump will come riding back to the Presidency, perhaps on a golf cart.

It is over for now, can Democracy arise from this, yes I believe so. Hopefully it will be four years and the Republicans can in the meantime regain control of the Senate and gain ground in the House.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: NS1 on January 30, 2021, 03:03:30 PM
I bet this bet never gets paid  :nod:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 30, 2021, 03:14:46 PM
FP, there's nothing I can say that will change your mind and I want my money because there is no reasonable dispute that's going to change anything. He has no honor.

I disagree,

I think Billy really thinks that Trump is still president and that
they've turned off the power at the white house. I didn't realize
until reading his recent posts what he really believes.

I don't like that Biden is president and I DO believe that the Dem's
stole the election by fraud and the limp dick Republican'ts let them
but Biden is president. It sucks, but it's true.

Billy doesn't think Trump is president, he thinks the military is in charge. By the original terms of the bet, he's lost. There is no process that will return Trump to the WH, so there is no way Billy can win. He's playing this game of Biden being illegit and it could go on forever. I want the money that is rightly owed to me.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 30, 2021, 03:41:23 PM
I got $100 saying Trump is going to be President. Do you have $100 saying Biden is going to be President? How confident are you?

I bet US$10,000.

President Trump will swear to the Lord as the 46th USA President on 20th January 2021 on AirForce #1.  By his side, there will be several F-22, F-35A escorting to prevent assassination.  Down the ocean, there is a Flagship Battle Group covering as well.

Cheers.

Lets add a note.  Biden Coup Gang will be jailed in Guamtanamo since 19th January 2021.

Lets look at the RUA reality - we are plagued less by one ding bat.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on January 30, 2021, 05:38:09 PM

I agreed to reasonable terms under the impression you'd be realistic. That's no longer the case. I will not be part of your psycho world. You will keep moving and moving the goalposts. No bet. If you will agree to a definate deadline no later than the 1st of March and someone else holding the money, then we can renew the bet.

Why would you want to let him out of the bet. You already won. Biden will be in the white for four years unless he dies for some reason.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 30, 2021, 07:06:53 PM

I agreed to reasonable terms under the impression you'd be realistic. That's no longer the case. I will not be part of your psycho world. You will keep moving and moving the goalposts. No bet. If you will agree to a definate deadline no later than the 1st of March and someone else holding the money, then we can renew the bet.

Why would you want to let him out of the bet. You already won. Biden will be in the white for four years unless he dies for some reason.

I won but I'll never see the money because Billy's lost touch with objective reality. It's not worth the frustration.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on January 30, 2021, 07:28:15 PM
At least a few posters are capable to see the (sad) reality that J. Biden is President.

DillyBilly and Social Mistake live in some alternative zone where they 'think' Trump will come riding back to the Presidency, perhaps on a golf cart.

It is over for now, can Democracy arise from this, yes I believe so. Hopefully it will be four years and the Republicans can in the meantime regain control of the Senate and gain ground in the House.


I don't think the problem is that you are ignorant per se', it's just that you know so much that isn't true. I have no idea that Trump will comeback riding into the presidency. I believe I have stated numerous times that I have no idea how this will play out. The military is in charge not Pedo Joe.

Being declared a winner in a fraudulent election doesn't mean he's a winner thus, Billy should not pay, yet. China Joe has committed treason in numerous ways and he's not alone. That is one side of the wager. The other side is, will Trump be proven the winner of the fraudulent election? I don't necessarily think so. The election was fraudulent possibly to the point no winner can be named.

This is in the hands of the military and there are things happening of which we know nothing about. That includes you. The more you attempt to sound intelligent on this subject the more you just embarrass yourself. You really should be more mindful
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 30, 2021, 08:55:57 PM
I agreed to reasonable terms under the impression you'd be realistic. That's no longer the case. I will not be part of your psycho world. You will keep moving and moving the goalposts. No bet. If you will agree to a definate deadline no later than the 1st of March and someone else holding the money, then we can renew the bet.



The terms was reasonable so you took the bet. I never moved the goalposts but now it seems you are by trying to renegotiating the terms. The terms were simple and were posted on two forums. It wasn't  10 pages you had to sign like when buying a car or home. This ordeal has been revealing. You and a few people here seem to get upset when you learn the terms AFTER you agree to them. Originally I wanted us to put money down and have a third party hold it. I gave in because you couldn't find a third party so I went ahead and made the bet. I should've stuck to that. It's apparent you didn't understand the terms of the bet and now want to renegotiate the bet placing a time limit. A few days ago I put a link to all open court cases which is around 30 at the moment. Politicians in the past have taken office only to be removed at a later date when it was proven in court they are illegitimate. Also, the military has gotten involved. No, the fence and troops aren't there to keep Trump supporters out. So if in two days, two weeks, or two months Biden is ruled illegitimate and Trump won the election, are you going to pay? I will pay once the terms of our agreement are settled. I'm still going to go easy with Moby and will pay him when Biden takes a ride on Air Force One. When I offered you that, instead of thanking me for easing up on the terms, you continued to bitch to gather sympathy so I'll stick with the original terms of our agreement.


Being declared a winner in a fraudulent election doesn't mean he's a winner


Besides the fraudulent election, the inauguration was faked. A prisoner surrounded by fence and razor wire at a state penitentiary can have an inauguration with guards looking on but it doesn't make him President either.

Earlier I posted videos and photos of Biden's inauguration. His grandkids were in some shots of his being sworn in and were missing in other shots. A podcaster in Spain gets hundreds of thousands of viewers said he was given a tape of the inauguration 10 hours before it was shown "live" to America. It was a bunch of rehearsals spliced together and sold to America as "live".

Watch this 4 minute video carefully. Mainstream media was put on a roof far from the inauguration on Jan 20th and couldn't see the podium. MSM was not allowed to install their cameras up close, so the inauguration they had to show America was provided by the Biden Administration hired film company. Lady Gaga sings the National Anthem at the 3:15 mark. At one point the camera shows the sky and it's a full overcast.

https://rumble.com/vd6l4d-most-important-video-of-the-decade-real-biden-inauguration.html

Here's the video that was shown to America on Jan 20th and advertised as "live". As Lady Gaga sings the National Anthem, at the 4:38:12 mark the camera shows the skies and it's only half filled with clouds. which is different than the video above. People don't have to take my word that the inauguration was faked and the one shown to America didn't take place at noon Jan 20th as the Constitution requires. Two videos I'm providing show a different story and people can verify if what I'm saying is true or false.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 30, 2021, 10:31:17 PM
Trump lost the election and has no way of serving another term, you can't win the bet. I'm not going to wait until YOU decide Biden has won. I'm out of the bet.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on January 31, 2021, 01:12:22 AM
I agreed to reasonable terms under the impression you'd be realistic. That's no longer the case. I will not be part of your psycho world. You will keep moving and moving the goalposts. No bet. If you will agree to a definate deadline no later than the 1st of March and someone else holding the money, then we can renew the bet.



The terms was reasonable so you took the bet. I never moved the goalposts but now it seems you are by trying to renegotiating the terms. The terms were simple and were posted on two forums. It wasn't  10 pages you had to sign like when buying a car or home. This ordeal has been revealing. You and a few people here seem to get upset when you learn the terms AFTER you agree to them. Originally I wanted us to put money down and have a third party hold it. I gave in because you couldn't find a third party so I went ahead and made the bet. I should've stuck to that. It's apparent you didn't understand the terms of the bet and now want to renegotiate the bet placing a time limit. A few days ago I put a link to all open court cases which is around 30 at the moment. Politicians in the past have taken office only to be removed at a later date when it was proven in court they are illegitimate. Also, the military has gotten involved. No, the fence and troops aren't there to keep Trump supporters out. So if in two days, two weeks, or two months Biden is ruled illegitimate and Trump won the election, are you going to pay? I will pay once the terms of our agreement are settled. I'm still going to go easy with Moby and will pay him when Biden takes a ride on Air Force One. When I offered you that, instead of thanking me for easing up on the terms, you continued to bitch to gather sympathy so I'll stick with the original terms of our agreement.


Being declared a winner in a fraudulent election doesn't mean he's a winner


Besides the fraudulent election, the inauguration was faked. A prisoner surrounded by fence and razor wire at a state penitentiary can have an inauguration with guards looking on but it doesn't make him President either.

Earlier I posted videos and photos of Biden's inauguration. His grandkids were in some shots of his being sworn in and were missing in other shots. A podcaster in Spain gets hundreds of thousands of viewers said he was given a tape of the inauguration 10 hours before it was shown "live" to America. It was a bunch of rehearsals spliced together and sold to America as "live".

Watch this 4 minute video carefully. Mainstream media was put on a roof far from the inauguration on Jan 20th and couldn't see the podium. MSM was not allowed to install their cameras up close, so the inauguration they had to show America was provided by the Biden Administration hired film company. Lady Gaga sings the National Anthem at the 3:15 mark. At one point the camera shows the sky and it's a full overcast.

https://rumble.com/vd6l4d-most-important-video-of-the-decade-real-biden-inauguration.html

Here's the video that was shown to America on Jan 20th and advertised as "live". As Lady Gaga sings the National Anthem, at the 4:38:12 mark the camera shows the skies and it's only half filled with clouds. which is different than the video above. People don't have to take my word that the inauguration was faked and the one shown to America didn't take place at noon Jan 20th as the Constitution requires. Two videos I'm providing show a different story and people can verify if what I'm saying is true or false.


Dream on Billy. Biden is president and will stay that way for at least four years if he does not die from something, or get impeached. The military is not in charge. You simple reading too much fake news.

The military will never leave the Capitol building again. It has been decided the capitol needs more security. Plans are in place that 6,000 troops will stay there permanently and the number will be reduce from the current 10,000 in March. All the fencing will stay permanently.  It does not mean they are in charge.  Trump will only escape impeachment because he is not in office if he escapes. It is likely he will be voted to not be aloud to run for president again.

There is no chance Biden will be put out of office and Trump installed. Trumps popularity number have sunk while Biden number have risen. There is no political support for this. The military top brass has been purged of pro Trump supporters. The secretary of defense appointed by Biden. There is no chance the military is going to put Biden out of office. 

Where ever and when ever the inauguration was it is good enough that everyone in congress is calling Biden Mr. President. It does not matter if it was in a shit house, Biden said I do someplace.

The court cases brought up when Trump won and beat Hillary lasted for years. There was no chance of Trump being removed no matter how much Democrats claimed the election was fake. Once the senate certified the electoral college is it over. No court can change it. It is a done deal and Biden is president just like Trump was four years ago. Even the supreme court has no way of over turning the senate vote on the electoral college. Nothing in the constitution gives them that power.  Even the senate can not say we made a mistake and vote to change it.  They would have to impeach Biden and there is not political will to do this now. 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 31, 2021, 11:46:53 AM
Trump lost the election and has no way of serving another term, you can't win the bet. I'm not going to wait until YOU decide Biden has won. I'm out of the bet.

So be it. Patience is a virtue and you have none. If you were so confident Biden was going to win and wouldn't have to pay out a dime so no risk to you, all you would need is to exercise a little more patience.


Dream on Billy. Biden is president and will stay that way for at least four years if he does not die from something, or get impeached. The military is not in charge. You simple reading too much fake news.


The inauguration we were told was live wasn't actually live. There is a reason they want to dupe us. Don't fall for fake news

Remember that document Washington Post took a photo of outside the White House before Jan 20th? If Trump signed it, politicians and judges have no power and certainly no power to inaugurate Biden. The Insurrection Act and Marshall Law puts the military in charge. Biden can pretend to be president so our advisaries doesn't think America is in a weakened state while our military sorts it out quietly. Trump still has a SCIF at his property in Florida which allows him to communicate with the Pentagon without communications being intercepted. Trump is also having secret meetings with Republican leadership. The Constitution only allows for an impeachment of a US President. Guess what the Democrats are doing to Trump? They see him as a person who still has power.

Currently Arizona State Legislature is compiling a dream team of cybersecurity experts to do a thorough audit of their ballots and machines which hasn't been done due to all the resistance from the Democrats and a few Republicans. They will also use nano technology and can learn if the fiber in the paper ballots were made from trees in China and they could even discover if the person handling the ballot is a smoker. If it's not over for Arizona, it's not over for me.

Do you remember when President Jefferson Davis and Vice President Alexander Stephens were inaugurated by the Democrats Feb 18, 1861? They conducted State business and even commanded the military. No joke! They were inaugurated illegally before Lincoln, the rightful President who ended up kicking their ass. So 160 years later and while most people believe Biden is President, I believe after this is over, Biden will be remembered as a Jefferson Davis and Trump will be remembered as a Lincoln.

Democrats still in panic mode. They know it's not over. Here's some of their chatter.

http://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1355027200777576452

http://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1354980549253865478

http://twitter.com/getreal2/status/1354904177701490695
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 31, 2021, 03:21:47 PM
Billy, you might want to consider getting some help. It is clear that your version of the world is somewhat delusional.

At some point you will be faced with reality and its going to be tough for you and those around you. The stress that people undergo when they are forced to come to terms with reality is real. You might find it worthwhile to prepare for that inevitable situation.

I know that you're likely to reject the suggestion because, to you, your delusions are real but they are not. You cannot continue to clutch at straws each day. This will end. It will end badly for you.

Just go back through your posts over the past few weeks, read them carefully, perhaps with your wife or mother in law. Discuss with them how you have had to change your personal narrative as each day passes,how each new version is less connected to the real world. Perhaps they csn help you to come to terms with your situation before you reach a crisis.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 31, 2021, 04:21:28 PM
So be it. Patience is a virtue and you have none. If you were so confident Biden was going to win and wouldn't have to pay out a dime so no risk to you, all you would need is to exercise a little more patience.

Indeed patience is a virtue, greater assets are common sense & intelligence. Try to obtain some of that.

Billy, you might want to consider getting some help. It is clear that your version of the world is somewhat delusional.

At some point you will be faced with reality and its going to be tough for you and those around you. The stress that people undergo when they are forced to come to terms with reality is real. You might find it worthwhile to prepare for that inevitable situation.

I know that you're likely to reject the suggestion because, to you, your delusions are real but they are not. You cannot continue to clutch at straws each day. This will end. It will end badly for you.

Just go back through your posts over the past few weeks, read them carefully, perhaps with your wife or mother in law. Discuss with them how you have had to change your personal narrative as each day passes,how each new version is less connected to the real world. Perhaps they csn help you to come to terms with your situation before you reach a crisis.

Andrew makes an valid point, certainly you do not understand us (RUA). Go to some some one in law, a person of the cloth, a law man, or a mental health professional and review your posts together. It seems everyone has moved on, except you.

Based solely on the shifting sands of your viewpoint I suspect you will find little support for your delusions.

Sorry but it is over.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 31, 2021, 05:22:20 PM
Based solely on the shifting sands of your viewpoint I suspect you will find little support for your delusions.


Trump is president and Biden is not yet you and Andrew think I shifted my viewpoint. As far as delusional goes, you both could not grasp the simple terms of my bet with mhr7 even after it was posted multiple times.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 31, 2021, 06:37:52 PM
Trump is president and Biden is not

The vote was fraudulent, there was a gun battle over a server in Germany, the head of the CIA is missing, the legislatures are going to fix things, the lawsuits are going to fix things, there will be men showing up at doors with guns, there will be a civil war, the kraken will fix things, the SC will interfere, VP Pence will choose who he wants, the Italians are involved, congress will change the vote, the military is in charge, the inauguration was fake, there will be military tribunals, Biden and others will go to Guantanamo, state legislatures can still change their vote and on and on and on.......There's always one more delusional thing that will save the day for Trump. That's why I ended the bet, your story will just keep endlessly changing.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on January 31, 2021, 08:14:05 PM

You ended the bet because you knew there's a good chance in the end Biden will be ruled illegitimate and you'd have to pay up. Speaking of CIA Director Gina Hapsel, where is she? Over a month ago a Captain who flew to GITMO said he seen her in hand cuffs with a bandage around her arm where she got shot in Frankfurt. Now that she's out of a job, why isn't anybody interviewing her? CNN just loves to put former CIA and FBI directors on their shows hoping they'll say something bad about Trump. I guess Gina is too busy in her new private life behind bars to be giving out interviews.

If we were living 160 years ago, you, AvHdB and Andrew would be claiming Jefferson Davis is President because the media reported he's been inaugurated and running the government. I'd be claiming Abraham Lincoln, who hasn't been inaugurated yet, is President and you guy would call me "delusional". Go figure.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 31, 2021, 08:25:07 PM
You ended the bet because you knew there's a good chance in the end Biden will be ruled illegitimate and you'd have to pay up.

No, I ended it because you never will. I'm obviously not the only one here who thinks that.

Quote
Over a month ago a Captain who flew to GITMO said he seen her in hand cuffs with a bandage around her arm where she got shot in Frankfurt.


'Nuff said.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on January 31, 2021, 10:23:41 PM
Trump lost the election and has no way of serving another term, you can't win the bet. I'm not going to wait until YOU decide Biden has won. I'm out of the bet.

So be it. Patience is a virtue and you have none. If you were so confident Biden was going to win and wouldn't have to pay out a dime so no risk to you, all you would need is to exercise a little more patience.


Dream on Billy. Biden is president and will stay that way for at least four years if he does not die from something, or get impeached. The military is not in charge. You simple reading too much fake news.


The inauguration we were told was live wasn't actually live. There is a reason they want to dupe us. Don't fall for fake news

Remember that document Washington Post took a photo of outside the White House before Jan 20th? If Trump signed it, politicians and judges have no power and certainly no power to inaugurate Biden. The Insurrection Act and Marshall Law puts the military in charge. Biden can pretend to be president so our advisaries doesn't think America is in a weakened state while our military sorts it out quietly. Trump still has a SCIF at his property in Florida which allows him to communicate with the Pentagon without communications being intercepted. Trump is also having secret meetings with Republican leadership. The Constitution only allows for an impeachment of a US President. Guess what the Democrats are doing to Trump? They see him as a person who still has power.

Currently Arizona State Legislature is compiling a dream team of cybersecurity experts to do a thorough audit of their ballots and machines which hasn't been done due to all the resistance from the Democrats and a few Republicans. They will also use nano technology and can learn if the fiber in the paper ballots were made from trees in China and they could even discover if the person handling the ballot is a smoker. If it's not over for Arizona, it's not over for me.

Do you remember when President Jefferson Davis and Vice President Alexander Stephens were inaugurated by the Democrats Feb 18, 1861? They conducted State business and even commanded the military. No joke! They were inaugurated illegally before Lincoln, the rightful President who ended up kicking their ass. So 160 years later and while most people believe Biden is President, I believe after this is over, Biden will be remembered as a Jefferson Davis and Trump will be remembered as a Lincoln.

Democrats still in panic mode. They know it's not over. Here's some of their chatter.

http://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1355027200777576452

http://twitter.com/PamKeithFL/status/1354980549253865478

http://twitter.com/getreal2/status/1354904177701490695

People can still go to jail for what they did in the election but Biden can not be removed even if fraud is discovered in some states.   
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 31, 2021, 10:46:19 PM
People can still go to jail for what they did in the election but Biden can not be removed even if fraud is discovered in some states.

He's lost touch, don't expect a logical response.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on January 31, 2021, 10:51:27 PM
 Billy, Pam Keith, Esq is just trying to get political support and donations by claiming Trump is a big problem when he is not.  Yes he can have a meeting with someone and pretend to be president but when it is over he will not be able to make US policy. Yes Trump will have tens of million follows but the number will drop the longer he is out of office. His patriate party is going no where long term and will likely not be a factor in 2024.

Trump may cause Biden some problems while he is in office just like Obama cause Trump some problem also but nothing like causing him to lose the job.

Billy it is really good you have this crazy point of view. If you did not no one on this forum would have anything to write about. What make it so entertaining is you totally believe this stuff.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on January 31, 2021, 11:29:16 PM
The alternatively gifted have risen to prominence in the Land of the Free. I find myself wondering why that is.

Also worth noting, this is not about party politics but a much more general case of which politics is just a notable example.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on February 01, 2021, 02:58:41 AM
The alternatively gifted have risen to prominence in the Land of the Free. I find myself wondering why that is.

Also worth noting, this is not about party politics but a much more general case of which politics is just a notable example.

BillyB has moved to a personal delusional state. I feel sorry for those who are near to him.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on February 01, 2021, 07:04:09 AM
Billy, whether you like it or not Biden is president of the United States. Even president Putin who hung back from congratulating Biden has now done so and acknowledged that he is the president of the United States of America.

I understand that you prefer to think that Biden is not president, that does not alter the facts in evidence. Right now you are harming yourself by refusing to live up to your personal commitments. The sensible thing to do is to pay up.

This is one of those points in life where, as we all do, we do things that we do not fully believe in in order to make life better. Pay up your debt of honour and argue till the cows come home why Biden is not the legitimate president of the United States, but pay up because, right now, Joe Biden is your president.

Then once you've done that, seek out some help for the personal issues that you are clearly facing. Right now, you are only proving me right when I foretold what you would do and how you would behave.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on February 01, 2021, 07:07:53 AM
The alternatively gifted have risen to prominence in the Land of the Free. I find myself wondering why that is.

Also worth noting, this is not about party politics but a much more general case of which politics is just a notable example.

BillyB has moved to a personal delusional state. I feel sorry for those who are near to him.

Life must be tough for those who care about him right now. If what I have seen in the past is similar to what Billy is going through, his delusions will start to spread into other areas of his life as his world diverges increasingly from reality. It is easy enough to overlook what can be justified as a personal eccentricity, but the more that 'eccentricity' impinges upon how he interacts with the world and those who share life with him the less willing those people will be to accommodate him.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on February 01, 2021, 01:27:54 PM
I posted a few weeks back about two members of congress who needed psychological/psychiatric care. Here's more specific info as to why.

Qanon Queen Marjorie Taylor Greene -

“Some people are saying maybe [House Speaker] Nancy Pelosi will throw her out” of Congress, Sterling said, referring to the House speaker. “The Democrats would never throw her out. They want her to be the definition of what a Republican is. They’re gonna give her every opportunity to speak and be heard and look crazy — like what came out Wednesday, the Jewish space laser to start fires. I mean, I don't know how far down the rabbit hole you go.”
Judging from old social media posts and videos that surfaced last week, that hole is fairly deep. Greene has promoted the conspiracy theory that space lasers caused California wildfires, that school shootings were hoaxes and suggested that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi should be executed for treason.


https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/31/marjorie-taylor-greene-georgia-gop-cringes-464170

She also believes Obama is Muslim, the Clinton's had JFK Jr. killed and that a plane didn't crash into the Pentagon on 9/11.

She currently sits on the education committee in Congress.  :o
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on February 01, 2021, 01:47:54 PM
The alternatively gifted have risen to prominence in the Land of the Free. I find myself wondering why that is.

Also worth noting, this is not about party politics but a much more general case of which politics is just a notable example.

BillyB has moved to a personal delusional state. I feel sorry for those who are near to him.

Life must be tough for those who care about him right now. If what I have seen in the past is similar to what Billy is going through, his delusions will start to spread into other areas of his life as his world diverges increasingly from reality. It is easy enough to overlook what can be justified as a personal eccentricity, but the more that 'eccentricity' impinges upon how he interacts with the world and those who share life with him the less willing those people will be to accommodate him.

You two couldn't grasp the simple terms of the bet I made with mhr7, get upset and decide to go on to personal attacks that a 4th grader would be proud of. For over 14 years people have read my trip reports and know I've had a great single man's life with the ladies before getting married. A couple of FSUW said on the forums that my wife is the most beautiful FSUW they've seen a Western man marry. You've experienced many years of loneliness and it's affected the way you think. It's best you two find a woman willing to marry you before acting like experts on what goes on in other people's married life. Solve your problems but it won't be solved if you continue to act like grade school children.


People can still go to jail for what they did in the election but Biden can not be removed even if fraud is discovered in some states.   


Breaking News!!! Military removes government for committing massive voter fraud!

https://nationalfile.com/burmese-leader-ousted-for-vote-fraud-in-military-coup-had-close-clinton-soros-ties/

Never say "never" Tex.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on February 01, 2021, 02:37:31 PM
Billy, your delusions are probably unrelated to your self claimed success in shagging your way through a collection of women motivated to shag you.

I am happy that you had such productive visits to Eurasia.

As far as I can tell, you were due to pay up if Joe Biden became president. He has. You owe the money. All other details about legitimacy are moot.

Please tell me, just what has your self claimed success with motivated women got to do with your unwillingness to settle a debt? I get that you have delusions about the world - you have a history of delusions about matters yiu know nothing about but the United States has a president and his name is Joe Biden.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on February 01, 2021, 02:52:28 PM
Breaking News!!! Military removes government for committing massive voter fraud!

https://nationalfile.com/burmese-leader-ousted-for-vote-fraud-in-military-coup-had-close-clinton-soros-ties/

Never say "never" Tex.

nationalfile.com is one of Billy's favorite sources.

Overall, we rate National File an extreme right Tin-Foil Hat Conspiracy website based on the promotion of unproven/debunked claims and a Strong Pseudoscience purveyor based on using junk science to support claims.


https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/national-file/

At the same time, he claims the msm is fake news and lying to everyone.

Clinton and Soros involved in Burmese dirty politics because, well, of course.  (:)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on February 01, 2021, 03:04:23 PM
You two couldn't grasp the simple terms of the bet I made with mhr7,

The terms were simple as was the result. Except to you.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on February 01, 2021, 04:05:03 PM
You two couldn't grasp the simple terms of the bet I made with mhr7,

The terms were simple as was the result. Except to you.

For clarity's sake why does some one not quote the actual post with what ever terms. I looked and can not find the bet on this thread. I know BillyB offered a bet to me that was straight up or down, Trump or Biden as president, I declined.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on February 01, 2021, 06:04:23 PM
You two couldn't grasp the simple terms of the bet I made with mhr7,

The terms were simple as was the result. Except to you.

For clarity's sake why does some one not quote the actual post with what ever terms. I looked and can not find the bet on this thread. I know BillyB offered a bet to me that was straight up or down, Trump or Biden as president, I declined.

The bet was Trump or Biden but the money wouldn't be paid to me until all disputes (court cases and so forth) were settled and complete. Now, he won't even accept that Biden is president and he's convinced there are endless possibilities that could still make Trump president. I accepted his terms but was under the impression he meant disputes that were currently happening or soon to happen and had a reasonable chance of overturning the results, of which there are none. I thought he would be rational but he clearly is not. The $250 should have easily been mine but I pulled out of the bet because I didn't want the frustration of dealing with his lunacy.

He thinks the military is in charge which, I guess, makes the current Sec. of Defense (Lloyd J Austin lll who was appointed by Biden) the real boss of the country.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on February 01, 2021, 06:25:08 PM
You two couldn't grasp the simple terms of the bet I made with mhr7,

The terms were simple as was the result. Except to you.

For clarity's sake why does some one not quote the actual post with what ever terms. I looked and can not find the bet on this thread. I know BillyB offered a bet to me that was straight up or down, Trump or Biden as president, I declined.

The bet was Trump or Biden but the money wouldn't be paid to me until all disputes (court cases and so forth) were settled and complete. Now, he won't even accept that Biden is president and he's convinced there are endless possibilities that could still make Trump president. I accepted his terms but was under the impression he meant disputes that were currently happening or soon to happen and had a reasonable chance of overturning the results, of which there are none. I thought he would be rational but he clearly is not. The $250 should have easily been mine but I pulled out of the bet because I didn't want the frustration of dealing with his lunacy.

He thinks the military is in charge which, I guess, makes the current Sec. of Defense (Lloyd J Austin lll who was appointed by Biden) the real boss of the country.

So what post # was the bet made based on? Me thinks BillyB is winging a tad to much. I declined the wager with BillyB, it was straight up or down.

Preferably RUA can move beyond this silly billiness.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on February 01, 2021, 06:33:38 PM
Look at #1701
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: tfcrew on February 01, 2021, 06:52:56 PM
From the snowflake tweeters
Quote
Pam ***** Esq.
@Pam****FL
As soon as the GOP “acquits” him, he is going to change this to:

“Office of the Real President.”

More than half the GOP, including at least 19 Governors, are going to treat him as the real president.

The ONLY way to prevent this total DISASTER is to criminally indict him NOW!
RESPONSE-------
Quote
Sir *****
@53*****
·
Jan 28
Replying to
@Pam****FL
Biden admin should cut off all federal financial help to those states. They can go beg their former president for financial help.
Wow! Such unity!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: tfcrew on February 01, 2021, 07:07:35 PM

It seems to me that if Biden was not President the guys who had been working on the Keystone Pipeline would not have been laid off.
That was probably unconstitutional...most likely illegal...absolutely wrong and definitely vile to have done this. I propose that they go back to work anyway. What does this project look like? How far along was it? What are the environmental consequences of it's incomplete status?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on February 01, 2021, 09:38:38 PM
Clinton and Soros involved in Burmese dirty politics because, well, of course.  (:)


https://gab.com/America_MUST_Unite/posts/105657059162474710

https://gab.com/America_MUST_Unite/posts/105657237313477360

https://gab.com/MajorPatriot/posts/105657226071071379

I think they hooked them up with Smartmatic voting machines.

https://gab.com/MajorPatriot/posts/105657387692499657
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on February 01, 2021, 10:54:19 PM
Clinton and Soros involved in Burmese dirty politics because, well, of course.  (:)


https://gab.com/America_MUST_Unite/posts/105657059162474710

https://gab.com/America_MUST_Unite/posts/105657237313477360

https://gab.com/MajorPatriot/posts/105657226071071379

I think they hooked them up with Smartmatic voting machines.

https://gab.com/MajorPatriot/posts/105657387692499657

Photos together don't mean anything. The Clintons have probably been photographed with 50-100 world leaders. Election fraud has only been alleged, not proven.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on February 01, 2021, 11:30:31 PM
The real reason Trump lost the election. I could see Trump was losing ground with people I know because of how he handled the virus.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poor-handling-of-virus-cost-trump-his-reelection-campaign-autopsy-finds/ar-BB1diLrr?ocid=msedgntp

The real Donald Trump!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/despite-raising-dollar170-million-for-his-legal-defense-a-new-report-claims-trump-was-incensed-over-dollar3-million-budget-proposed-by-former-impeachment-attorney/ar-BB1dj5eo?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on February 02, 2021, 12:12:47 AM
The real reason Trump lost the election. I could see Trump was losing ground with people I know because of how he handled the virus.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poor-handling-of-virus-cost-trump-his-reelection-campaign-autopsy-finds/ar-BB1diLrr?ocid=msedgntp


It seemed obvious to me in the early fall that Trump was not that much focused on the virus and was thinking he had won a second term by the time he realized the reality the consensus was against him. I believe sometime in late August I noted the election was for Trump to lose and he did exactly that.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on February 02, 2021, 07:26:29 AM
The real reason Trump lost the election. I could see Trump was losing ground with people I know because of how he handled the virus.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poor-handling-of-virus-cost-trump-his-reelection-campaign-autopsy-finds/ar-BB1diLrr?ocid=msedgntp


It seemed obvious to me in the early fall that Trump was not that much focused on the virus and was thinking he had won a second term by the time he realized the reality the consensus was against him. I believe sometime in late August I noted the election was for Trump to lose and he did exactly that.

Your news source is lying to you. I've tried to enlighten you but, you in the arena of being able to grasp even the simplest of concepts, are woefully deficient. Trump did not lose the election. Despite the MSM narrative, Trump did not mishandle the China/election virus. In fact, early on Trump gave you a cure to the virus in hydroxychloroquine. Did you listen? It is a shame you are not questioning your information sources as they are misleading you. Tis a pity you lack the ability to not be mislead. You are intellectually lazy. Try harder, the truth is out there for those seeking it. There is more going on behind those razor fences at the DC capitol than you know. Approach it from that angle for a change. Surprise us and show us you are not just another sheeple. Put down the vodka and bon bons and really look.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on February 02, 2021, 08:07:19 AM
The real reason Trump lost the election. I could see Trump was losing ground with people I know because of how he handled the virus.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poor-handling-of-virus-cost-trump-his-reelection-campaign-autopsy-finds/ar-BB1diLrr?ocid=msedgntp


It seemed obvious to me in the early fall that Trump was not that much focused on the virus and was thinking he had won a second term by the time he realized the reality the consensus was against him. I believe sometime in late August I noted the election was for Trump to lose and he did exactly that.

Your news source is lying to you. I've tried to enlighten you but, you in the arena of being able to grasp even the simplest of concepts, are woefully deficient. Trump did not lose the election. Despite the MSM narrative, Trump did not mishandle the China/election virus. In fact, early on Trump gave you a cure to the virus in hydroxychloroquine. Did you listen? It is a shame you are not questioning your information sources as they are misleading you. Tis a pity you lack the ability to not be mislead. You are intellectually lazy. Try harder, the truth is out there for those seeking it. There is more going on behind those razor fences at the DC capitol than you know. Approach it from that angle for a change. Surprise us and show us you are not just another sheeple. Put down the vodka and bon bons and really look.

My opinion was based on listening to friends and acquaintances. When my hair stylist, a Trump supporter, in late October  started to express her reservations it was obvious that it would be difficult for D. Trump to win.

While I read a variety of news sources I can think and not label everything with as preconceived opinion or bias. This is a skill Social Mistake you should try to learn, you are not to old. And perhaps get out more and speak with people of divergent view points, trying listening and again I repeat thinking. To me it seems you never developed that skill.

Hydroxychloroquine has been tested and retested while interesting it does not seem to work except in a few instances. Worth noting Markje was the first to bring this compound to our attention, it seems it was developed in a Belgium/Dutch unit dealing with tropical medicine, primarily malaria. Feel free though to live in your fantasy world. When you publish lies and misinformation you will confronted with this reality that you are challenged with the thinking concept.

While I enjoy the occasional Leonidas in general I do not consume hard alcohol, you seem to enjoy being stupefied by fake news on a daily basis.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on February 02, 2021, 03:42:56 PM
Team Biden screens press questions before they are asked.
The Press allows this to happen. Imagine the faces melting
if Team Trump tried to do this.

Biden WH under fire for reportedly screening briefing questions
https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-white-house-psaki-questions-reporters-advance


Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on February 02, 2021, 03:52:06 PM
The left is losing their minds, it ONLY happens about 20 times
per day and that's why I don't watch news on television. They
start hyperventilating about nothing and I flip it off and start
searching to see what really happened.

The Washington Post has decided that Trump should not be
allowed to have a presidential library. Every president has one. 
Obama has one planned but he spent 5 years in court battles
and not a single shovel full of dirt has been moved yet.

It's on the Washington Post website, but they have a paywall and
I'm not paying those lefty lunatics.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on February 02, 2021, 05:01:51 PM
The left is losing their minds, it ONLY happens about 20 times
per day and that's why I don't watch news on television. They
start hyperventilating about nothing and I flip it off and start
searching to see what really happened.

The Washington Post has decided that Trump should not be
allowed to have a presidential library. Every president has one. 
Obama has one planned but he spent 5 years in court battles
and not a single shovel full of dirt has been moved yet.

It's on the Washington Post website, but they have a paywall and
I'm not paying those lefty lunatics.


I wouldn't read it if it was on my door step with a 100 dollar bill stuck inside. Bezos resigned from Amazon today. Looks like the pedos are starting to fall
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on February 02, 2021, 05:50:29 PM
The real reason Trump lost the election. I could see Trump was losing ground with people I know because of how he handled the virus.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poor-handling-of-virus-cost-trump-his-reelection-campaign-autopsy-finds/ar-BB1diLrr?ocid=msedgntp


It seemed obvious to me in the early fall that Trump was not that much focused on the virus and was thinking he had won a second term by the time he realized the reality the consensus was against him. I believe sometime in late August I noted the election was for Trump to lose and he did exactly that.

Your news source is lying to you. I've tried to enlighten you but, you in the arena of being able to grasp even the simplest of concepts, are woefully deficient. Trump did not lose the election. Despite the MSM narrative, Trump did not mishandle the China/election virus. In fact, early on Trump gave you a cure to the virus in hydroxychloroquine. Did you listen? It is a shame you are not questioning your information sources as they are misleading you. Tis a pity you lack the ability to not be mislead. You are intellectually lazy. Try harder, the truth is out there for those seeking it. There is more going on behind those razor fences at the DC capitol than you know. Approach it from that angle for a change. Surprise us and show us you are not just another sheeple. Put down the vodka and bon bons and really look.

Hydroxychloroquine works? Hmm, wonder why hospitals don't use it. Wonder why people are still dying and why Trump himself wasn't treated with it when he got Covid. I mean, I'm sure Dr. Trump MD carried out very thorough and carefully thought out research. I have no idea why the FDA didn't greenlight this miracle treatment to be used by the masses.

Yep, the truth is there for those who seek it. You know, oftentimes the advice people dispense to others is really advice they should be following themselves. And the ones calling others 'sheeple' are merely just projecting.

I hope one day you seek help in escaping the Trump/Qanon cult you've unfortunately become a member of. I mean that sincerely.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on February 02, 2021, 06:01:34 PM
Team Biden screens press questions before they are asked.
The Press allows this to happen. Imagine the faces melting
if Team Trump tried to do this.

Biden WH under fire for reportedly screening briefing questions
https://www.foxnews.com/media/biden-white-house-psaki-questions-reporters-advance

Is this any worse than Trump's press secretaries giving non-answers or becoming unnecessarily aggressive with reporters? Or going a whole year without any press conferences at all?

I don't approve of screening questions if that's what's taking place but Trump isn't innocent of avoiding questions either.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on February 03, 2021, 05:02:44 AM
Quote

"Chief Justice John Roberts, the constitutional officer designated to preside over Senate impeachment trials, has said he will not preside over this latest trial of the ex-president. With Roberts seeing no constitutional duty, and declining the honor, his replacement as the presiding officer will be Patrick Leahy of Vermont, the longest-serving Democrat and the president pro tempore of the Senate.  But Leahy is viscerally hostile to Trump and one of a Democratic bloc that voted twice last January to convict Trump of high crimes and misdemeanors. How will it look to the world if this partisan is installed as both judge and juror at the trial of his political enemy?           

Welcome to Zimbabwe     

https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/is-the-establishment-still-terrified-of-trump-/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on February 03, 2021, 09:01:40 AM
Maybe evidence enough? 


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on February 03, 2021, 09:54:22 AM
To be fair BC he was taking the piss!

While one might argue about the way Twitter et al. have been closing down voices unlike by the current administration, posting as Lidell did was tugging the beard of Jack Dorsey in a manner that was not going to be ignored.

In the context of his previous Tweets and banning, using the company Twitter account as Liddell did could have only one outcome. Again, in the context, I see nothing untoward about the account closure.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on February 03, 2021, 11:40:19 AM
Tucker Carlson on crazy Pelosi.

           
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on February 03, 2021, 11:53:22 AM

Is this any worse than Trump's press secretaries giving non-answers or becoming unnecessarily aggressive with reporters? Or going a whole year without any press conferences at all?

I don't approve of screening questions if that's what's taking place but Trump isn't innocent of avoiding questions either.

Avoiding questions is totally acceptable, the public see's that the question was
asked then either danced around or not answered. That is informative to the
public in itself.

The press have joined team Biden. It's collusion between the press and the
White House to provide a united lefty front and to jointly control the news
of the day and steer it exactly as Orwell predicted. 

New York Times calls for MINISTRY OF TRUTH, urging
Biden to appoint a ‘REALITY CZAR’ to head up fight against ‘misinformation’

https://www.rt.com/usa/514419-nyt-calls-for-reality-czar/


New York Times ‘Experts’ Urge Biden To Establish
Orwellian ‘Reality Czar’ To Dictate Truth

https://thefederalist.com/2021/02/02/new-york-times-experts-urge-biden-to-establish-orwellian-reality-czar-to-dictate-truth/


A Biden-Appointed ‘Reality Czar’? Sure, No Way That Could Backfire
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/a-biden-appointed-reality-czar-sure-no-way-that-could-backfire/

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on February 03, 2021, 08:49:42 PM


I don't know if the Myanmar military are good or bad guys but they do have a case for removing their civilian government over election fraud. Myanmar uses Smartmatic and Dominion machines which are easily manipulated. There are photos of Obama kissing the cheek of the President of Myanmar, Hillary holding hands with her and George Soros meeting with her. I'm sure they helped promote the voting machines for Myanmar elections.

Contrary to popular belief, Trump and the Republicans weren't the first to claim election fraud and ask to inspect the machines. Earlier I provided documents signed by Democrat Presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren and other Democrats asking for information on the voting machines. Back in 2016 Warren went on tv and said the Democrat primaries were rigged and we need to fix the system. Video in link below.

https://gab.com/KanekoaTheGreat/posts/105648436118185725

Apparently nothing has been done to fix the system and the fraud grew and because nothing is being done, it will continue to grow. Most Americans aren't outraged and even accepted the propaganda media narrative there's no evidence of fraud. At this time, our votes don't count. Democrats who are happy Trump lost don't understand their votes don't count and don't even count even in their primaries. Our government will get progressively worse if we don't take action. Congressman Eric Stalwell who slept with a Chinese spy is still on the Intelligence Committee. Our government isn't taking precautions for America's benefit. They are taking care of each other to stay in power. Our European friends aren't immune to this election fraud either. Bad politicians in other nations will see the benefit to using the same voting machines we use.

A little history. After 9/11 our government was given permission to spy on citizens in the quest of finding terrorists among us. Hammer was the tool the military was allowed to use to spy on us. They have every phone call, text message and email we ever wrote on file. The CIA uses the tool called Scorecard to manipulate the elections in other nations to counter the manipulation of those elections by our advisaries. Obama took Hammer from the military and gave it to the CIA. The CIA can now spy on our elections real time and manipulate it. They know just about everything about everybody. They can take the dirty laundry of politicians and judges and use it as leverage to manipulate their rulings and votes. Here we are at almost the point of no return. Our media has pacified the public so we won't do anything about it. Our military is our last hope.

Apparently Biden and his Defense Secretary doesn't have the power to tell generals to give them a briefing so yesterday through Biden's press secretary, she tweets an invitation to them to give Biden a briefing anytime they want to discuss their work. What do you guys think? Will the generals give Biden a briefing? Maybe if Biden says "Pretty please"

https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/1356758904596811776
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on February 03, 2021, 08:54:47 PM
Billy when are you going to pay Mary what you owe her?

She's obviously been rather distressed over your procrastination.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on February 04, 2021, 01:22:13 AM

Apparently Biden and his Defense Secretary doesn't have the power to tell generals to give them a briefing so yesterday through Biden's press secretary, she tweets an invitation to them to give Biden a briefing anytime they want to discuss their work. What do you guys think? Will the generals give Biden a briefing? Maybe if Biden says "Pretty please"

https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/1356758904596811776

Which General are we talking about. Lets put a name on this guy.

Biden controls who gets security breifings.
https://nypost.com/2021/02/01/biden-considers-revoking-trump-access-to-intelligence-briefings/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on February 04, 2021, 07:10:24 AM
I agree with 2tallbill here.
Of course, it would be great if all questions were answered fully, accurately and honestly. But that's not possible for all sorts of reasons ranging from security through political and commercial.

However, the refusals or obfuscations - as well as the demeanour of the respondent are also a form of signalling and communication. That's useful to reporters and analysts.

Preclearance of questions removes that route of communication. Any question that is not cleared will not be answered and simply falls into a memory hole as if the question had never even been thought of. That makes the process inherently censored.

This is worthy of comparison to the Soviet times in the USSR where a similar process was followed. Worth also noting the manner of communication in modern Russia as a contrast to the USA today.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on February 04, 2021, 09:34:28 AM
Which General are we talking about. Lets put a name on this guy.


Biden's press secretary isn't talking about one guy. She put out an invitation to members(plural) to give Biden a briefing. Members in this case are anybody in the military with a star on their shoulders.


Biden controls who gets security breifings.
https://nypost.com/2021/02/01/biden-considers-revoking-trump-access-to-intelligence-briefings/


That article doesn't say Biden controls who gets security briefings. That article is saying Biden is thinking about revoking Trump's access to security briefings. You and I also have the power to put out press releases saying we are thinking about revoking Trump's access to security briefings. When you find an article saying the Pentagon has stopped giving Trump intel briefings, please post that instead of what Biden is thinking about doing.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on February 04, 2021, 09:47:26 AM
Which General are we talking about. Lets put a name on this guy.


Biden's press secretary isn't talking about one guy. She put out an invitation to members(plural) to give Biden a briefing. Members in this case are anybody in the military with a star on their shoulders.



Ok who is this fake dude?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on February 04, 2021, 10:06:08 AM
Which General are we talking about. Lets put a name on this guy.


Biden's press secretary isn't talking about one guy. She put out an invitation to members(plural) to give Biden a briefing. Members in this case are anybody in the military with a star on their shoulders.



Ok who is this fake dude?

I've tried to explain it's not one dude and certainly they aren't fake. It's multiple generals. Here is Biden's press secretary twitter post again. If you have a twitter account and need more detailed info, ask her. It's clear to me that she's inviting any general to feel free to stop by and give Biden a briefing.

https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/1356758904596811776
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on February 04, 2021, 02:42:24 PM
https://news.yahoo.com/white-house-reporters-biden-team-020024623.html

Quote
According to three sources with knowledge of the matter, as well as written communications reviewed by The Daily Beast, the new president’s communications staff have already on occasion probed reporters to see what questions they plan on asking new White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki when called upon during briefings.

The requests prompted concerns among the White House press corps, whose members, like many reporters, are sensitive to the perception that they are coordinating with political communications staffers.

I don't read that 'screening' is required.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on February 04, 2021, 02:52:58 PM
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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on February 04, 2021, 08:06:52 PM
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Space Force is a military branch and the members are military. Biden is not happy he's not getting briefings and Trump is. I doubt Biden has the power to stop Trump from getting briefings when the military isn't honoring his request of getting a briefing himself. Go to every branch of the military's twitter accounts. They don't follow Biden and they still follow Trump.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on February 05, 2021, 12:21:58 AM
Sometime I think you do not want to get it. The intelligent briefing you so talk about do not come from the military but from the CIA. The CIA does not report on the USA military but foreign powers. Her saying that some one from the space force could come by and say what they are doing do not mean Bidden is not getting intelligent reports. That info would not be in the CIA intelligent report.

Biden has an unfriendly repour with the space force as he want to abolish it.  I bet they want to stay as far away from him as possible. In the article I showed said plainly said Biden controls who get a security briefing which would have to do mainly with information on foreign powers. Like China, Russia, middle east.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on February 05, 2021, 05:12:49 AM
Par for the course Texan.  One of these days we'll hear that we were only being tested with all the gab.

Wouldn't be the first time either.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on February 05, 2021, 06:41:49 AM
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BC you continually amaze me at your lack of information. You are a techie and former military comm grunt, aren't you? I suspect you have no idea of the scope of space force and what it entails. There's much more going on there that you can glean from CNN and yahoo. Look man, look.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on February 05, 2021, 01:18:25 PM
FP you continually amaze me at your lack of information.  How you can interpret so much about me from an image of someone else's tweet is puzzling.

If something bothers you, look first within before projecting irrelevant ignorance upon others.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on February 05, 2021, 03:45:57 PM
Sometime I think you do not want to get it. The intelligent briefing you so talk about do not come from the military but from the CIA. The CIA does not report on the USA military but foreign powers. Her saying that some one from the space force could come by and say what they are doing do not mean Bidden is not getting intelligent reports. That info would not be in the CIA intelligent report.


Actually you don't get it. I'm not talking about the CIA and neither is Biden's press secretary. There are 18 intelligence agencies in America with Space Force being the newest member. It will also become the most important member because it controls our spy and weaponized satellites. They will be in charge of recording not only what our advisaries are doing but what every single person in this world is doing and file what they do, say, and write based on the electronics they use. Biden is probably getting intel briefings from the anti Trump FBI and CIA. He is not getting military intel briefings because the military is in charge and don't answer to Biden.

https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/2466657/ussf-becomes-18th-member-of-intel-community/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on February 05, 2021, 05:54:25 PM

New video released paid by Mike Lindel which clearly describes election fraud and presents evidence that would be seen in a court room. The video gets taken down off social media as fast as it's put up. Social media is suppressing free speech and is protecting foreign and domestic powers who hijacked our elections. Most of you are comfortable with your life and probably won't watch it but if nothing is done, it will be the beginning of the end. China and Iran voting in American elections are worth more than our votes.

In 2015 FBI director Comey was told of election fraud and he did nothing. Obama had corrupted our FBI, CIA, and DOJ to the point that they no longer serve America's interest and accept compromised elections. Obama also compromised politicians on both sides of the aisle.

In the video you will see some of America's best civilian cyber experts present their evidence which was peer reviewed and everybody working on it were horrified how easily the voting machines can be hacked and the amount of fraud committed in our election by over 60 countries in collusion with domestic enemies. Contrary to what Dominion is saying, they show you their user manual on how to connect the machines to the internet. They found thermometers on the walls that connect to the voting machines. They have video evidence of van after van bringing in ballots to count at 3AM in the morning when observers and media already gone home.

At 1:36:30 in the video is a list of IP addresses and ID's to the computers used to hack into voting machines all over the country. The list shows how many votes were taken from Trump and given to Biden. Trump won in a landslide with over 80 million votes while Biden got far less. This list was compiled by people who work in our government. I assume they meant Space Force. They know everything and record everything. They knew people were conspiring to steal the election and set up operations prior. They knew the servers were in Frankfurt, UK, Spain, Italy, and other places prior to the election. If you guys think the cyber data they collected isn't nothing. Consider how the FBI finds those hosting websites full of child porn and those who frequent those websites. This data can be used in a court of law to convict violators. I suspect our military will conduct operations soon after they collect more evidence. They need to make sure they round up everybody and if they are Americans, they need to be tried for treason. The military spent 200 million on increasing the size of Gitmo. Gina Haspel can probably tell us how comfortable the place is.

Here's the video. Do your part and pass it around to educate our people that a few Americans and nations want to control our nation.

https://rumble.com/vdlbl7-absolute-proof-mike-lindell-election-documentary-full.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on February 05, 2021, 07:31:21 PM
Sometime I think you do not want to get it. The intelligent briefing you so talk about do not come from the military but from the CIA. The CIA does not report on the USA military but foreign powers. Her saying that some one from the space force could come by and say what they are doing do not mean Bidden is not getting intelligent reports. That info would not be in the CIA intelligent report.


Actually you don't get it. I'm not talking about the CIA and neither is Biden's press secretary. There are 18 intelligence agencies in America with Space Force being the newest member. It will also become the most important member because it controls our spy and weaponized satellites. They will be in charge of recording not only what our advisaries are doing but what every single person in this world is doing and file what they do, say, and write based on the electronics they use. Biden is probably getting intel briefings from the anti Trump FBI and CIA. He is not getting military intel briefings because the military is in charge and don't answer to Biden.

https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/2466657/ussf-becomes-18th-member-of-intel-community/

The military does not normally give briefing to the president when not at war. This is done by the secretary of defense. 

Biden is negotiating stimulus checks. He interacts with senators and congress people to get legislation passed.  He is signing executive orders. In foreign news they all talk about President Biden's policy and what they like and do not like. He is changing immigration policy which got temporary stop in the courts.  None of the foreign powers are talking about dealing with the military over USA policy to their country.  Their are complaints he is putting millions of people out of work with is executive orders on climate control.  He has shut down the keystone pipeline.  He is working on the vaccine distribution. He has said that 150 millions USAians will have their Covid-19 vaccine in the first 100 days of him being in office.

Latest news
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-gives-final-approval-to-budget-plan-including-biden-s-1-9-trillion-stimulus-over-unified-republican-opposition/ar-BB1dqTmP?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on February 05, 2021, 07:57:13 PM
Biden plans to purge more conservatives out of military.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/breaking-down-bidens-plan-to-purge-military-of-conservatives/vi-BB1dp9vd?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on February 05, 2021, 09:00:51 PM

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on February 05, 2021, 09:19:03 PM
The military does not normally give briefing to the president when not at war. This is done by the secretary of defense. 

Biden is negotiating stimulus checks. He interacts with senators and congress people to get legislation passed.  He is signing executive orders. In foreign news they all talk about President Biden's policy and what they like and do not like. He is changing immigration policy which got temporary stop in the courts.  None of the foreign powers are talking about dealing with the military over USA policy to their country.  Their are complaints he is putting millions of people out of work with is executive orders on climate control.  He has shut down the keystone pipeline.  He is working on the vaccine distribution. He has said that 150 millions USAians will have their Covid-19 vaccine in the first 100 days of him being in office.

Latest news
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-gives-final-approval-to-budget-plan-including-biden-s-1-9-trillion-stimulus-over-unified-republican-opposition/ar-BB1dqTmP?ocid=msedgntp

Billy's gibberish doesn't deserve a rebuttal Texan. It's just noise.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on February 05, 2021, 09:30:31 PM
The military does not normally give briefing to the president when not at war. This is done by the secretary of defense. 


Now you're making stuff up. 9 out of the 18 intelligence agencies are military. The President is supposed to receive a daily briefing everyday based on intel contributed by ALL intelligence agencies. Some miltary intelligence agencies aren't participating. They weren't even participating prior to Jan 20th.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President%27s_Daily_Brief
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on February 06, 2021, 12:35:33 AM
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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on February 06, 2021, 06:35:59 AM
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Come on Billy, cough up, there’s ya prez on the plane you wanted.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on February 06, 2021, 09:48:39 AM
If the military was in charge we would not have a border crisis. This is a beast of Biden's creation.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/migrant-families-force-biden-to-confront-new-border-crisis/ar-BB1dru5P?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on February 06, 2021, 11:44:19 AM
Come on Billy, cough up, there’s ya prez on the plane you wanted.


Actually it's not the plane I wanted. It's the smaller version that the VP usually gets to fly in. Biden flew on that instead of the 747. But the spirit of the terms was met because Biden did fly on a plane controlled by the Air Force so I paid Moby. He asked that I send it to the Alzheimers Society in the UK. Although I still think Biden is and always was illegitimate, doesn't have control over top military brass and they or SCOTUS will remove Biden soon, I will not ask Moby pay up if that happens because he asked that it go to charity.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on February 06, 2021, 01:48:34 PM

Actually it's not the plane I wanted. It's the smaller version that the VP usually gets to fly in. Biden flew on that instead of the 747. But the spirit of the terms was met because Biden did fly on a plane controlled by the Air Force so I paid Moby. He asked that I send it to the Alzheimers Society in the UK. Although I still think Biden is and always was illegitimate, doesn't have control over top military brass and they or SCOTUS will remove Biden soon, I will not ask Moby pay up if that happens because he asked that it go to charity.

Good Man!

It should be noted even as VP during the Obama tenure J. Biden disliked flying. From his home in Delaware to Washington DC it is some 120 miles. It is perfectly logical on a short flight a smaller aircraft was used.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on February 06, 2021, 05:47:45 PM
FP you continually amaze me at your lack of information.  How you can interpret so much about me from an image of someone else's tweet is puzzling.

If something bothers you, look first within before projecting irrelevant ignorance upon others.

Not even a good deflection BC but, I'll give you kudos for the effort.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on February 06, 2021, 06:15:37 PM
Come on Billy, cough up, there’s ya prez on the plane you wanted.


Actually it's not the plane I wanted. It's the smaller version that the VP usually gets to fly in. Biden flew on that instead of the 747. But the spirit of the terms was met because Biden did fly on a plane controlled by the Air Force so I paid Moby. He asked that I send it to the Alzheimers Society in the UK. Although I still think Biden is and always was illegitimate, doesn't have control over top military brass and they or SCOTUS will remove Biden soon, I will not ask Moby pay up if that happens because he asked that it go to charity.

Hmm., that letter actually reads as if msmoby has deceased.  :eeekk:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on February 06, 2021, 06:22:44 PM

Actually it's not the plane I wanted. It's the smaller version that the VP usually gets to fly in. Biden flew on that instead of the 747. But the spirit of the terms was met because Biden did fly on a plane controlled by the Air Force so I paid Moby. He asked that I send it to the Alzheimers Society in the UK. Although I still think Biden is and always was illegitimate, doesn't have control over top military brass and they or SCOTUS will remove Biden soon, I will not ask Moby pay up if that happens because he asked that it go to charity.

IMHO you should have waited. Vegas, the gold standard of bets hasn't paid yet. You are mostly right about most of the statements you have made except the timeline. How anyone can ignore the military at the White House and Capital building and declare bidnezz as usual is beyond me
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on February 06, 2021, 09:13:11 PM
IMHO you should have waited.


I relaxed the terms for Moby to win the bet with Biden getting a flight on Air Force 1. The rules were relaxed for Mhr7 too but he complained instead of thanking me so I went back to original terms and he dropped out of the bet. As much as people dislike Moby, I'm impressed he didn't pocket the money and asked me to donate to charity instead. I know his mom has been suffering from Alzheimer's so I actually feel good paying a bet that helps others.


Do not understand what temperature has to do with voting machines?


Most people wouldn't suspect a thermometer on the wall to be connected to voting machines. That's why they used something that looks harmless and people don't pay attention to. The cybersecurity experts who were allowed into the rooms detected the signals from the voting machines were going through the thermostat.



Lou Dobbs who had the highest ratings in Fox News Business was just fired as some of you may have learned. The video below is from 15 years ago, 2006, when he was on CNN. On CNN he exposed the massive election fraud of the Democratic primaries in Chicago where Obama is from. He claimed the Smartmatic voting machines the Democrats used has ties with Venezuela and Hugo Chavez. He called for an investigation. MSM and politicians didn't accuse him of false election fraud claims back then. Our government actually investigated election fraud and found Smartmatic used Sequoia voting machines which were used in Venezuela's rigged elections and now used in Democrat primaries. In 2007 Smartmatic agreed to sell Sequoia in exchange for having the government investigation dropped. Government document below

https://maloney.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/smartmatic-announces-sale-sequoia-voting-systems

For years, Smartmatic couldn't find a buyer for Sequoia since it had acquired a bad reputation. In 2010 they eventually found a Canadian buyer named Dominion Voting Systems. Dominion incorporated Sequoia technology into their machines and then bankrupted the tarnished Sequoia name. During the Obama administration Dominion Voting Systems had become one of the biggest, if not the biggest, supplier of voting machines in America. Obama rigged the 2012 election against Romney. In 2016 the election was rigged against Trump but the overwhelming votes a very popular Trump got offset the number of illegal ballots produced. Yes, Trump was and still is very popular regardless of what rigged polls say. With making mail in ballots mandatory in many areas in 2020, tens of millions of illegal ballots could be created and used to be thrown in the vote count to match the numbers foreign nations manipulated and offset Trump's landslide win.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequoia_Voting_Systems

Still today, Smartmatic and Dominion share the same physical offshore address in Barbados. Most people can find what I'm finding within seconds if the right questions are asked on Google. It's not hard to see the path of rigged elections on the local level back then moving to the national level now. Our media and politicians are covering up the corruption and if they get away with it, they don't need to answer to voters/American citizens anymore. They choose the winners and losers among themselves. Anybody honest need not apply as a Democrat or Republican. These past years, Republicans have become as corrupt as the Democrats. They can't win in a rigged election so they've taken the attitude "If you can't beat them, join them."

https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-01-04-dominion-smartmatic-share-same-offshore-address-barbados.html


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on February 06, 2021, 10:17:37 PM

Actually it's not the plane I wanted. It's the smaller version that the VP usually gets to fly in. Biden flew on that instead of the 747. But the spirit of the terms was met because Biden did fly on a plane controlled by the Air Force so I paid Moby. He asked that I send it to the Alzheimers Society in the UK. Although I still think Biden is and always was illegitimate, doesn't have control over top military brass and they or SCOTUS will remove Biden soon, I will not ask Moby pay up if that happens because he asked that it go to charity.

IMHO you should have waited. Vegas, the gold standard of bets hasn't paid yet. You are mostly right about most of the statements you have made except the timeline. How anyone can ignore the military at the White House and Capital building and declare bidnezz as usual is beyond me

How anyone can say Vegas hasn't paid bets is beyond me. Evidence for once?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on February 06, 2021, 11:10:23 PM
Do not understand what temperature has to do with voting machines?


Most people wouldn't suspect a thermometer on the wall to be connected to voting machines. That's why they used something that looks harmless and people don't pay attention to. The cybersecurity experts who were allowed into the rooms detected the signals from the voting machines were going through the thermostat.


Maxx, sadly, does not post on RUA anymore.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on February 06, 2021, 11:37:43 PM
Do not understand what temperature has to do with voting machines?


Most people wouldn't suspect a thermometer on the wall to be connected to voting machines. That's why they used something that looks harmless and people don't pay attention to. The cybersecurity experts who were allowed into the rooms detected the signals from the voting machines were going through the thermostat.


Maxx, sadly, does not post on RUA anymore.

My bad. I sometimes post the same info on multiple forums and accidently cut and paste a question Maxx had elsewhere here.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on February 07, 2021, 08:19:09 AM
Perhaps maxx wants to return now that moby is banned
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on February 07, 2021, 10:38:52 AM
IMHO you should have waited.


I relaxed the terms for Moby to win the bet with Biden getting a flight on Air Force 1. The rules were relaxed for Mhr7 too but he complained instead of thanking me so I went back to original terms and he dropped out of the bet.

Is that right mhr7? Did you drop out? Billy owes you nothing?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on February 07, 2021, 10:53:27 AM
IMHO you should have waited.


I relaxed the terms for Moby to win the bet with Biden getting a flight on Air Force 1. The rules were relaxed for Mhr7 too but he complained instead of thanking me so I went back to original terms and he dropped out of the bet.

Is that right mhr7? Did you drop out? Billy owes you nothing?

I didn't want mhr7 to drop out of the bet but he said it numerous times so I granted his wish. His Post #1720 in this thread on Jan 30 was the most recent post of his saying he's out of the bet. Even if he stayed in the bet, he wouldn't get paid until the terms of our bet have been satisfied. Jan 27th SCOTUS schedule says they will take on election fraud Feb 19. They will hear Trump's, Sidney Powell's, Lin Wood's, and other cases all lumped into one. Their cases never died in court as the fake news media claimed.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docket/docketfiles/html/public%5C20-845.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on February 07, 2021, 05:11:54 PM
IMHO you should have waited.


I relaxed the terms for Moby to win the bet with Biden getting a flight on Air Force 1. The rules were relaxed for Mhr7 too but he complained instead of thanking me so I went back to original terms and he dropped out of the bet.

Is that right mhr7? Did you drop out? Billy owes you nothing?

When Billy didn't pay after the result was so conviningly oobvious, payment would happen at Billy's whim. I didn't want someone  brainwashed by Qanon to be in charge of the bet, so I dropped out.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on February 07, 2021, 10:07:24 PM
I didn't want mhr7 to drop out of the bet but he said it numerous times so I granted his wish. His Post #1720 in this thread on Jan 30 was the most recent post of his saying he's out of the bet. Even if he stayed in the bet, he wouldn't get paid until the terms of our bet have been satisfied. Jan 27th SCOTUS schedule says they will take on election fraud Feb 19. They will hear Trump's, Sidney Powell's, Lin Wood's, and other cases all lumped into one. Their cases never died in court as the fake news media claimed.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docket/docketfiles/html/public%5C20-845.html

Powell withdrew her case from the SC last month. There are no Trump related election cases pending before the SC that could change the outcome of the election. I told you this when I was trying to get my money, but you have trouble believing actual reality.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on February 07, 2021, 10:19:36 PM
Powell withdrew her case from the SC last month. There are no Trump related election cases pending before the SC that could change the outcome of the election. I told you this when I was trying to get my money, but you have trouble believing actual reality.


Is that what fake news is saying?

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1357674954364485633
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on February 07, 2021, 10:39:05 PM
Powell withdrew her case from the SC last month. There are no Trump related election cases pending before the SC that could change the outcome of the election. I told you this when I was trying to get my money, but you have trouble believing actual reality.


Is that what fake news is saying?

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1357674954364485633

Sidney Powell Drops Georgia Kracken Lawsuit On Eve Of Biden’s Inauguration

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/01/19/sidney-powell-drops-georgia-kracken-lawsuit-on-eve-of-bidens-inauguration/?sh=42f43fb71e49

You can read it if you want but it is actual reality and I know you two don't get along. Or keep believing twitter  :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on February 07, 2021, 11:08:41 PM
Powell withdrew her case from the SC last month. There are no Trump related election cases pending before the SC that could change the outcome of the election. I told you this when I was trying to get my money, but you have trouble believing actual reality.


Is that what fake news is saying?

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1357674954364485633

Sidney Powell Drops Georgia Kracken Lawsuit On Eve Of Biden’s Inauguration

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/01/19/sidney-powell-drops-georgia-kracken-lawsuit-on-eve-of-bidens-inauguration/?sh=42f43fb71e49

You can read it if you want but it is actual reality and I know you two don't get along. Or keep believing twitter  :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Did you not understand the News link I provided? SCOTUS will hear Trump's Pennsylvania's case, Sidney Powell's Michigan case, and Lin Wood's Georgia case. Your link does not dispute this. SCOTUS can also add more cases any time. Once SCOTUS recognizes election fraud, the military can begin arrests of politicians, civilians and nations involved.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on February 08, 2021, 01:27:08 AM
Powell withdrew her case from the SC last month. There are no Trump related election cases pending before the SC that could change the outcome of the election. I told you this when I was trying to get my money, but you have trouble believing actual reality.


Is that what fake news is saying?

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1357674954364485633

Sidney Powell Drops Georgia Kracken Lawsuit On Eve Of Biden’s Inauguration

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/01/19/sidney-powell-drops-georgia-kracken-lawsuit-on-eve-of-bidens-inauguration/?sh=42f43fb71e49

You can read it if you want but it is actual reality and I know you two don't get along. Or keep believing twitter  :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Did you not understand the News link I provided? SCOTUS will hear Trump's Pennsylvania's case, Sidney Powell's Michigan case, and Lin Wood's Georgia case. Your link does not dispute this. SCOTUS can also add more cases any time. Once SCOTUS recognizes election fraud, the military can begin arrests of politicians, civilians and nations involved.

The Supreme Court isn't going to hear these cases they are going to consider hearing them. If they agree to hear any of them, it won't happen until October. I guarantee they will not hear any cases from Powell or Wood.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on February 08, 2021, 01:35:32 AM
Powell withdrew her case from the SC last month. There are no Trump related election cases pending before the SC that could change the outcome of the election. I told you this when I was trying to get my money, but you have trouble believing actual reality.


Is that what fake news is saying?

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1357674954364485633

Sidney Powell Drops Georgia Kracken Lawsuit On Eve Of Biden’s Inauguration

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/01/19/sidney-powell-drops-georgia-kracken-lawsuit-on-eve-of-bidens-inauguration/?sh=42f43fb71e49

You can read it if you want but it is actual reality and I know you two don't get along. Or keep believing twitter  :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

In this case, I would prefer to believe the supreme courts own website over forbes.com and on that website the kraken-lawsuit is very much alive, last update 27 januari which is after bidens inauguration. I mean if they didn't close a case a week after it was supposedly dropped,  then I consider that dropped lawsuit to be fake news.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docket/docketfiles/html/public%5C20-845.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on February 08, 2021, 04:58:28 AM
Powell withdrew her case from the SC last month. There are no Trump related election cases pending before the SC that could change the outcome of the election. I told you this when I was trying to get my money, but you have trouble believing actual reality.


Is that what fake news is saying?

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1357674954364485633

Sidney Powell Drops Georgia Kracken Lawsuit On Eve Of Biden’s Inauguration

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/01/19/sidney-powell-drops-georgia-kracken-lawsuit-on-eve-of-bidens-inauguration/?sh=42f43fb71e49

You can read it if you want but it is actual reality and I know you two don't get along. Or keep believing twitter  :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

In this case, I would prefer to believe the supreme courts own website over forbes.com and on that website the kraken-lawsuit is very much alive, last update 27 januari which is after bidens inauguration. I mean if they didn't close a case a week after it was supposedly dropped,  then I consider that dropped lawsuit to be fake news.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docket/docketfiles/html/public%5C20-845.html

Your source has nothing to do with Powell. Everything in that post has to do with just 1 case, Trump Inc v. Kathy Bookevar and nothing else.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on February 08, 2021, 04:41:19 PM
A while ago I posted about Marjorie Taylor Greene and high school dropout Lauren Boebert. I said neither of them were fit for congress. We've already seen the antics of MTG but here is a video about Boebert. Please watch, she doesn't just represent a district in my state, she represents all Americans.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: tfcrew on February 08, 2021, 06:13:33 PM
  Please watch, she doesn't just represent a district in my state, she represents all Americans.
Oh...you mean like Wacky Maxine Waters who now calls for Donald Trump to be tried as a mass murderer and anyone who voted/supported him as accessories to premeditated murder?
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Congresswoman Maxine Waters of California said former President Donald Trump initiated the riot at the U.S. Capitol Building on January 6 and that he should face premeditated murder charges for the lives lost in the day's violence.

Waters, who represents California's 43rd District in Los Angeles County, discussed during a Tuesday appearance on MSNBC's The ReidOut how she felt "lucky" to be locked in her office amid the riots. Even so, Waters said she has faced threats for years and can relate to the fear that Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez felt on that day, which the New York congresswoman detailed in an Instagram Live earlier this week.

"Because I took on this president early, I called for his impeachment early, I have been threatened time and time again," Waters said. 
https://www.newsweek.com/maxine-waters-wants-donald-trump-charged-premeditated-murder-capitol-riot-1566626
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on February 09, 2021, 03:16:07 AM
Of course, biden is in office for only a few weeks but:

The "united" states of america heh.

Soon you guys might have your own version of brexit, where states leave.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Dogsoldier on February 09, 2021, 07:28:05 AM
Of course, biden is in office for only a few weeks but:

The "united" states of america heh.

Soon you guys might have your own version of brexit, where states leave.

I hear Texas is getting ready for ‘Texit’
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on February 09, 2021, 02:50:57 PM
Of course, biden is in office for only a few weeks but:

The "united" states of america heh.

Soon you guys might have your own version of brexit, where states leave.

I hear Texas is getting ready for ‘Texit’

 :laugh:   :ROFL:

In fact I believe there are two states that have some form of right to succeed from The "United' States; Vermont, home to B. Sanders & Texas which is sort of Waco.

Would be sweet if we could launch California into orbit with M. Walters as pilot.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on February 09, 2021, 04:38:37 PM
Impeachment trial begins today. No chance to convict. 44 Senators voted the trial is illegal. Unless they change their mind that is enough to keep any conviction from happening.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on February 09, 2021, 10:12:58 PM

Trump told people to walk over to the Capitol and make their voices heard. If you told people to walk over to a building and make their voices heard and somebody in the crowd broke the windows, Democrats would want to put you in jail.

Plenty of video evidence on Youtube that Youtube didn't take down yet showing cops opening gates, opening doors and waving people to come in. The guy with the horns and fur even got a police escort around the Capitol since he was great for photo ops. FBI and NYPD gave prior warning before Jan 6th telling Capitol police there could be violence. They visited extremists and told them not to go to D.C. Trump offered troops to help with crowd control. The DC mayor and Democrats turned down the offer.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/fbi-nypd-told-capitol-police-about-possibility-violence-riot-senior-n1253646

People in France don't like how America has moved so far left. I never thought I'd be saying that.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9242453/Out-control-woke-leftism-cancel-culture-threat-FRANCE-French-politicians-say.html

Aunt Jemima officially changed its name. The liberals continue to push for the removal of minority names and pictures off of products and sports teams. Uncle Ben's is supposed to change the name and remove the picture of the black man off their products. Washington Redskins will change their name and Cleveland Indians will follow. Aunt Jemima's parent company, Quaker Oats, is still keeping the white guy on their products.

http://www.yahoo.com/news/brand-formerly-known-aunt-jemima-235545247.html

Deputy Secretary of Defense under Obama became CEO of Italian defense contractor Leonardo North American division who was a major player in the steal of our votes in cyberspace.

http://gab.com/KanekoaTheGreat/posts/105701745478677416
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on February 11, 2021, 09:10:46 AM
This might not make any since to some of you but to some of us in the USA this could be pretty funny.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on February 11, 2021, 09:19:06 AM
This might not make any since to some of you but to some of us in the USA this could be pretty funny.

https://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=28325.0;attach=61514;image

:thumbsup:

I would give some a pat on the back and say it's okay. But this comes to mind. Realize some on RUA might say they watched E.P. buying some perfume for his new sweety.

It's okay we understand.


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on February 14, 2021, 11:59:23 AM

If any of you are wondering about the Trump impeachment trial, it's over with Trump being acquitted. Like the fake dossier and fake ballots, the Democrats got caught manufacturing fake evidence. They doctored evidence using photo shop changing words and dates. When it came to calling witnesses, Trump's attorneys were going to call Democrats to the witness stand to use their own words against them so the Democrats ended the trial early. The World needs to be very afraid of what our government has become.

Trump's team was given the Democrat's evidence 2 days before they were to respond to it and here are some of the things they caught in a short time.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Dogsoldier on February 14, 2021, 09:36:59 PM

If any of you are wondering about the Trump impeachment trial, it's over with Trump being acquitted. Like the fake dossier and fake ballots, the Democrats got caught manufacturing fake evidence. They doctored evidence using photo shop changing words and dates. When it came to calling witnesses, Trump's attorneys were going to call Democrats to the witness stand to use their own words against them so the Democrats ended the trial early. The World needs to be very afraid of what our government has become.

Trump's team was given the Democrat's evidence 2 days before they were to respond to it and here are some of the things they caught in a short time.

Quite a damning indictment of the whole impeachment and trial circus.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on February 15, 2021, 11:58:26 PM

We've talked about fraud in swing states. But there was fraud all over America where Dominion and Smartmatic machines were used.

Virginia experienced three 300,000 vote dumps in a matter of hours.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/exclusive-three-300000-biden-vote-dumps-late-election-night-virginia-cannot-adequately-explained-tied-final-results/

New Hampshire hand count revealed the voting machines shorted every Republican 300 votes.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/developing-new-hampshire-department-justice-refuses-investigate-largest-voting-machine-counting-error-state-history/

California's election was manipulated too. Biden consistently got 2/3rds the vote on every vote tally update. There was one update where the vote tally was increased by one vote. So Biden got 2/3rds of that one vote. Trump got just under 1/3rd of that vote. Other candidates got 1.9% of that one vote.

https://gab.com/KanekoaTheGreat/posts/105728797913078853

Class action suit against Dominion, Facebook, and State officials. Every voter is qualified to get $1000. No cost to sign up to the class action suit. I've signed up to class action suits in the past and won money.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/group-vote-matters-suing-facebook-dominion-mark-zuckerberg-certain-state-officials-others-infringing-upon-right-vote-assemble-speak-freely-can-join/

https://dominionclassaction.com

Trump gets plenty of attention on President's day. Biden got none but he did play video games all weekend.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/crowd-goes-wild-president-trump-drives-past-motorcade-rally-west-palm-beach-presidents-day-video/

https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1361428603427295240

https://gab.com/KanekoaTheGreat/posts/105738124691361927
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on March 08, 2021, 01:05:04 PM
Daily Mail Stirs up the Trump pot again...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9334181/Trump-headed-New-York-amid-rift-Jared-Kushner-election-loss.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on March 31, 2021, 02:47:37 PM

Have faith people. Although things seem hopeless, there are a lot of patriots hard at work trying to right the wrong. Trump just opened his new website. He'll be doing rallies. The media isn't reporting this stuff. Trump could be back in office this year. There will be no fair election in 2024 unless we get the crooks out of office and there are a lot of crooks both Democrats and Republicans that were involved in the election rigging.


http://www.45office.com
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on March 31, 2021, 03:28:15 PM

Have faith people. Although things seem hopeless, there are a lot of patriots hard at work trying to right the wrong. Trump just opened his new website. He'll be doing rallies. The media isn't reporting this stuff. Trump could be back in office this year. There will be no fair election in 2024 unless we get the crooks out of office and there are a lot of crooks both Democrats and Republicans that were involved in the election rigging.


http://www.45office.com

Dream On
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on April 02, 2021, 10:32:48 PM

The media isn't reporting the progress made in the investigations. Here's a teaser of things to come. Within weeks it will be revealed.

https://gab.com/KanekoaTheGreat/posts/105998439337651884

https://gab.com/OutlawJW/posts/105998171008647385
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on April 03, 2021, 08:44:55 AM
Trump could be back in office this year.

Will you be taking bets on that one? I'd bet that he won't be.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: NS1 on April 03, 2021, 12:31:40 PM
Trump could be back in office this year.

Will you be taking bets on that one? I'd bet that he won't be.

He would welsh on that one too :ROFL:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on April 03, 2021, 07:02:58 PM

The media isn't reporting the progress made in the investigations. Here's a teaser of things to come. Within weeks it will be revealed.

https://gab.com/KanekoaTheGreat/posts/105998439337651884

https://gab.com/OutlawJW/posts/105998171008647385

You do not understand the system. Biden would have to be involved and impeached. Other wise it does not matter at this point how much they cheated. He is still President. People who cheated in the electron can be in prisoned but the President can not be removed unless impeached. Not going to happen!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on April 03, 2021, 08:18:27 PM
You do not understand the system. Biden would have to be involved and impeached.


You're not understanding the system. States can reverse their electoral votes after Jan 20th inauguration and Biden will not be President. The media isn't educating you on that but it can happen. Look how the media and our government is deceiving you. Here's one sample. Pete Butigieg, presidential candidate and now Secretary of Transportation is lying to Americans. He drives a gas guzzling SUV to work but stops short and rides a bicycle the rest of the way so the media can show the public he cares about the environment. Pete will participate in lying to the America public if he wants to climb the ladder in the Democratic party. Remember, they control the elections and they pick the winners.

https://twitter.com/Xeriland/status/1377757687954423808



Trump could be back in office this year.

Will you be taking bets on that one? I'd bet that he won't be.

I'll make one more bet, with you if you want. My $100 on Trump with you picking Biden. Same terms and I gave Moby and Mhr7. Who wins the bet will be determined based on who is President after all disputes are settled. After I repeated the terms many times on the forum, it seems NS1 still can't comprehend it. If it's clear to you, take the bet. No crying that it's taking so long but I will add a time limit that the bet ends at the end of this year.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on April 04, 2021, 02:05:20 AM
 Billy, be honest, be sensible. When you use words like 'after all disputes are settled' you make it clear that you have no intention of paying out your wager. All that will happen is that you will once again bring up some spurious point and refuse to pay.

Be honest. Be clear. Be a man, not a child.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on April 04, 2021, 09:33:51 AM
Billy, be honest, be sensible. When you use words like 'after all disputes are settled' you make it clear that you have no intention of paying out your wager. All that will happen is that you will once again bring up some spurious point and refuse to pay.

Be honest. Be clear. Be a man, not a child.

In the past, I put up links to news organizations that stay on top of the election and aftermath. Instead of subscribing to news that keeps you dumb, you could educate yourself better with proper news and understand there are real investigations going on at state levels that could reverse their electoral votes. Also, I added a time limit to the bet so stupid people like yourself understand there is an end to the bet but you still failed to grasp the concept there is an end and the bet must be paid out.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: NS1 on April 04, 2021, 09:39:08 AM
Billy if you wanna make an honest bet, its simple.
Trump is either back in office by December 31st
or he isn't, anything else is just bullshit excuses.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on April 04, 2021, 10:10:52 AM


You're not understanding the system. States can reverse their electoral votes after Jan 20th inauguration and Biden will not be President. The media isn't educating you on that but it can happen. Look how the media and our government is deceiving you. Here's one sample. 

Remember, they control the elections and they pick the winners.

No crying that it's taking so long but I will add a time limit that the bet ends at the end of this year.

The senate can not reversed the certification. The senate is controlled by democrats. They are not even going to try. It does not matter what the states do. It is too late. There is no way for Trump to become president this year without throwing the constitution out the window.  No matter what, Biden will be president unless he is impeached, resigns or dies. If it was not like that we would be arguing elections forever and no body would run the country.

You said, "Remember, they control the elections and they pick the winners." you think they are going to lose now?  ???
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on April 04, 2021, 11:35:39 AM
Billy if you wanna make an honest bet, its simple.
Trump is either back in office by December 31st
or he isn't, anything else is just bullshit excuses.

That's what I just said to Manny. Why repeat it?

The senate can not reversed the certification. The senate is controlled by democrats.


We are talking about reversing the electoral vote count at the state level which is the rights of states and some are doing a full forensic audit that will show fraud. There's a reason ballots must be kept for 22 months after an election, for investigative purposes. In history, judges have removed politicians in office and replaced them with the challenger that lost after fraud was revealed in court. Much of our court system is corrupt for not looking at evidence but some judges have ordered audits now.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: NS1 on April 04, 2021, 01:43:22 PM
no billy, you said we pick biden, same terms, which had all kinds of conditions.

What I am suggesting is simple, Trump in office by December 31st, oh ya 2021  LOL
no other terms, conditions, exceptions simple, he is either president again or not,
Simple.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on April 04, 2021, 02:16:38 PM

We are talking about reversing the electoral vote count at the state level which is the rights of states and some are doing a full forensic audit that will show fraud. There's a reason ballots must be kept for 22 months after an election, for investigative purposes. In history, judges have removed politicians in office and replaced them with the challenger that lost after fraud was revealed in court. Much of our court system is corrupt for not looking at evidence but some judges have ordered audits now.

It can not be done for the president. No other office is certified  by the Senate in this manner. The constitution does not let the states correct or replace there vote after the president has been in office. All other positions that are elected are elected within the state and the state can change it mind because they are state representatives but not the president. It will not matter the out come of the audits, Biden will remain president unless impeached, resigns, declared incompetent or dies. Even if any of that happens Trump will not get the office back.

No judge or court can remove a president no mater what. This is a power that takes both houses of congress or the vice president to do. They are all controlled by the democrats. It is not going to happen.

There is a state selection that was in error for a congress woman. When it was found that there was an error in the votes and the other candidate won only congress could seat the other candidate. Last I heard they were refusing to do that. When the state sent the candidate it is over.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on April 04, 2021, 06:37:45 PM
It can not be done for the president. No other office is certified  by the Senate in this manner. The constitution does not let the states correct or replace there vote after the president has been in office. All other positions that are elected are elected within the state and the state can change it mind because they are state representatives but not the president. It will not matter the out come of the audits, Biden will remain president unless impeached, resigns, declared incompetent or dies. Even if any of that happens Trump will not get the office back.

No judge or court can remove a president no mater what. This is a power that takes both houses of congress or the vice president to do. They are all controlled by the democrats. It is not going to happen.


At least you admit there are avenues to remove Biden, a guy who cheated with the help of a corrupt system. The military is another way to remove Biden if he doesn't want to step down. It's happened in other countries, it can happen here. Soldiers took an oath to defend America from enemies foreign and domestic, What kind of guy are you Tex? Will you pick up a rifle and go after people who are trying to take over our country? I will.


no billy, you said we pick biden, same terms, which had all kinds of conditions.

What I am suggesting is simple, Trump in office by December 31st, oh ya 2021  LOL
no other terms, conditions, exceptions simple, he is either president again or not,
Simple.

Exactly what is the purpose of injecting yourself into other people's contracts? Why would I value your opinion? Over a month ago I made the terms of the bets clear. I even relaxed the terms. For some reason people like you thought Jan 20th was the end of the bet. There were crybabies and accusations made against me for not honoring the bet. I put a link to an old post with the terms of the bet. People shut up because it would look foolish denying the truth but over a month later you again tell people I failed to honor the bet. What is the purpose of lying in an attempt to assassinate someone's character? Think about how it makes you look. I expect such actions from a guy like Andrew. Don't be an Andrew.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on April 04, 2021, 08:11:11 PM
Billy what you are talking about is anarchy. It would not end good and would make a the country a third world county. Only a few lunatics would support that. For the military to take over the country, we would have to throw out the constitution. Under military rule, we would get us down to the level of Venezuela. Trump is not coming back into office. Pick up a weapon and you will spend life in prison. Shoot some body and you will likely get shot dead on the spot.

Maybe you should find something else to support that is not so harmful. First you want to kill of millions of people by not using any vaccines then you want to take up arms against the government because you believe it is unfair.   

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on April 04, 2021, 08:30:24 PM
Billy what you are talking about is anarchy. It would not end good and would make a the country a third world county. Only a few lunatics would support that. For the military to take over the country, we would have to throw out the constitution. Under military rule, we would get us down to the level of Venezuela. Trump is not coming back into office. Pick up a weapon and you will spend life in prison. Shoot some body and you will likely get shot dead on the spot.

Maybe you should find something else to support that is not so harmful. First you want to kill of millions of people by not using any vaccines then you want to take up arms against the government because you believe it is unfair.

The election was fraudulent. Thus we  have both a fraudulent President and a fraudulent VP and with those results no telling of the senate and house seats that are fraudulent as well. Do you honestly believe Bidan won a free and fair election? Having a president installed as a result of a fraudulent election alone has the US down to the level of Venezuela now. If this fraudulent election is to stand, fair, honest and free elections in this country are no more.

There are provisions and safe guards in the constitution where if elections were frauds it is up to the military to make a determination. Every other arm of government in the process have failed the American citizens, I expect that it likely will to. Is it over and Bidan is actually president, some say yes and others say no. Something is definitely up and it's going to be interesting
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on April 04, 2021, 08:57:03 PM
Tex, it's apparent you prefer to live on your knees and chains than do something about crooks who took over our government illegally. At what point will you take any action against a hostile government that acts the same way the Venezuelan government acts, you know the one we don't recognize as legit?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on April 04, 2021, 09:19:38 PM

One more thing Tex. America encourages people around the world to stand up to their corrupt government and protest. We ask them to put their lives on the line for Democracy. When this BS corruption hits our country, don't wimp out. Grow a pair.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on April 04, 2021, 10:54:38 PM
Most of the fraud it in what you guys believe. A smart person find away to benefit from the conditions at hand. A dumb person ends up dead fighting for stuff they have been manipulated into believing. You guys go a head and see what happens.  I feel sorry for you.

First you must know Trump was no saint!!! You need to look at who you are dying for. Still just a little reality, Biden will be in office January 1, 2022, January 1, 2023 and January 1, 2024. So are so out of touch with what is real you are becoming dangerous to yourself and your family.  Whether you guys are alive when Biden leaves office is your choice. Whether you guys are still with us or not he is still going to be there.

Some crazy dream the army is going to put him out of office is just crazy.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on April 04, 2021, 11:12:28 PM
First you must know Trump was no saint!!! You need to look at who you are dying for.


You're a fool Tex. This ain't about Trump. It never was. It's about you and I. It's about all Americans. The people fighting election fraud is fighting for us, not for Trump. Guys like Trump come and go. Our elections stay with us forever unless it's stolen and it is stolen and will remain stolen if Biden and his corrupt team stay in power. You're probably all for Venezuelans Ukrainians and Belarussians standing up to their governments but when it's your turn, you say it's dangerous. If your woman was in danger, would you stand in front of her or behind her? I think you'd be selfish and worry about your own hide hoping a real MAN shows up to defend her. There are real men and women fighting on your behalf right now so if you don't want this to end in gun battles, at least support them in their peaceful attempt to fix this mess.



There are some that will complain about our government's bad policies year after year after year. But there are others who's actually doing something about it. Regardless of the lack of news from fake news, there is a lot going on behind the scenes to right the wrong.

Obama really F'd up our country. He compromised people and he installed lots of corrupt people into our institutions. If they did a good job, like Clapper, Brennan, Comey, Strozk, and McCabe, they were rewarded with book deals and jobs with CNN.

There are many on social media and radio trying to get out the message and present the evidence. In the past, I put links to all court cases and the evidence in court filings is accessible to the public. Here are some people who are working for the American people. They risk their careers and lives to benefit us all. Nobody is asking you to do much but if all you're doing is complaining about our government, you're useless. Help them out or at least spread the word. You don't have to pick up a rifle...yet.  Keep people educated what our government has become. Lots of Americans are asleep. They've been scammed by sexy Boris and refused to believe it happened. For our European friends, it's in their interest for the good guys to win. If our government continues on the path of corruption and lust for power, it's not only bad for America, it's bad for the world.

Maria Zack has been doing investigations in Europe, particularly Italy. She has affidavits of people who confessed to interfering in our election. She has the names of our intelligence agents that were involved in rigging the election. She accepts donations at NationsInAction.Org She said when Obama sent pallets of cash to Iran, he set $400 million aside in a secret bank account for future use. While Trump was president, Obama used some of that money to bribe foreign officials to participate in rigging our elections. Here's her in an interview.

https://rumble.com/vf6ehn-dougs-interview-with-maria-zach.-march-29-2021.html

Former Overstock.com CEO Patrick Byrne been working hard for our country. He exposed fraud in Wall Street which led to the arrest of many. Our government asked him to sleep with Russian spy Maria Butina and doing his patriotic duty, he slept with many times to gather info. Our government asked him to bribe Hillary 18 million and she accepted it. He learned our government wasn't bringing Hillary down. Instead, Hillary was determined to be President and Obama was going to control her with the dirt he obtain. He also was upset our government allowed Maria Butina to stay in America for years and sleep with a lot of people in power. Our government allowed people to get compromised so they can control those people. Patrick is a Libertarian who didn't vote for Trump. He is spending his own money to investigate fraud and sound the alarm on what our government has become. He asks for no donations.

https://creativedestructionmedia.com/news/politics/2021/03/30/byrne-america-will-know-the-truth-in-a-few-weeks-its-possible-trump-could-be-back-in-office/

Lt. General Flynn, a lifelong Democrat, worked military intelligence when Obama was President. Flynn didn't like what he seen and spoke out against it. He was on Obama's shit list because Flynn knew it ALL but didn't want to play along with Obama's program of spying on Americans and using it to control Americans. After Trump appointed Flynn to his cabinet, like Trump, Flynn was a political target by our DOJ and they set him up to get fired and put him in jail. He won his court case with the help of Sidney Powell. He now gives interviews and does tours to wake Americans up.

https://app.clouthub.com/public/1b836e3b-db85-470e-9063-973345e5a43c

Mike Lindell, owner of My Pillow with made in America pillows is spending his own money to investigate election fraud and creates videos to educate people. He went from being a drug addict to an American success story and he wants to give back to America so he's working hard to expose the fraud and bring back elections with integrity.

https://gab.com/RealMikeLindell

Sidney Powell, a powerhouse attorney who was a president of an attorney organization and was involved in 500 Appeals cases is a hero in the fight to expose election fraud. After her opening statement in the Dominion case, Dominion had to get a new team of lawyers. She will bring them down. Dominion and other voting machine manufactures need to be shut down. If they aren't they'll control our elections on behalf of our corrupt politicians. The machines will eventually be exported to more countries. Hear that Europe? Ask Malaysia how it worked for them. Sidney does accept donations in the link below. She has a large group of people working for her and together, they are working for Americans.

https://defendingtherepublic.org

Lin Wood is also another famous attorney who successfully defended famous people. His fight in more in Georgia for election integrity. He accept donations to support his team.

https://fightback.law

Jovan Pulitzer, inventor of the bar and QR codes. He's been educating people how they misprint our ballots so machines send the ballots to election officials for adjudication. Then election officials can take a group of hundreds of Trump votes and assign them to Biden. He also can evaluate the paper ballots with nano technology. He will determine if the fibers of the paper ballot came from trees in China. He can even tell if a person handling a paper ballot is a smoker or not.

https://gab.com/JovanHuttonPulitzer

These people and more have done a lot for this country. They aren't working for Trump. They are working for YOU. They've hired the best civilian cyber security teams to collect IP addresses and computer IDs from all over the world. Our own intelligence agencies hire these civilian cyber security companies to do the work that's too sophisticated for them. We have finally found judges in certain states that ordered complete forensic audits to happen. The machines will be opened. Paper ballots will be analyzed. States who have enough politicians with integrity will reverse their electoral vote count once the audits are concluded. It's a slow process because election officials are stalling but with judges orders, they have to give up the machines and ballots or face jail.

They have it all. They did two methods of counting votes. Both methods conclude Trump got just under 80 million votes and Biden got 66 million. This is based off cyber data on how may votes were stolen from Trump and given to Biden in cyberspace. These totals does not reflect the Trump ballots that got trashed or fake ballots created for Biden.

As more evidence unfolds, get your lazy ass off the couch and do your part. Donate money and/or write your Congress person and Senators. Write the White House. Write the Pentagon. Write the Supreme Court. Let them know what went on is unacceptable and want action. Do it over and over again. Lets try and fix our government peacefully before there's a need of guns for corrective action. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" Edmund Burke.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on April 05, 2021, 10:17:43 AM
At least you admit there are avenues to remove Biden, a guy who cheated with the help of a corrupt system. The military is another way to remove Biden if he doesn't want to step down. It's happened in other countries, it can happen here. Soldiers took an oath to defend America from enemies foreign and domestic, What kind of guy are you Tex? Will you pick up a rifle and go after people who are trying to take over our country? I will.

Billy what you are talking about is anarchy. It would not end good and would make a the country a third world county. Only a few lunatics would support that. For the military to take over the country, we would have to throw out the constitution. Under military rule, we would get us down to the level of Venezuela. Trump is not coming back into office. Pick up a weapon and you will spend life in prison. Shoot some body and you will likely get shot dead on the spot.

Maybe you should find something else to support that is not so harmful. First you want to kill of millions of people by not using any vaccines then you want to take up arms against the government because you believe it is unfair.

The election was fraudulent. Thus we  have both a fraudulent President and a fraudulent VP and with those results no telling of the senate and house seats that are fraudulent as well. Do you honestly believe Bidan won a free and fair election? Having a president installed as a result of a fraudulent election alone has the US down to the level of Venezuela now. If this fraudulent election is to stand, fair, honest and free elections in this country are no more.

There are provisions and safe guards in the constitution where if elections were frauds it is up to the military to make a determination. Every other arm of government in the process have failed the American citizens, I expect that it likely will to. Is it over and Bidan is actually president, some say yes and others say no. Something is definitely up and it's going to be interesting

What BillyB is suggesting is anarchy.

While I suspect there was fraud involved in the Presidential election, I suspect it cuts both ways. Team Trump had a chance to prove in the courts the fraud and they lost.

It is time to move on and hope the Republicans can form a strong ticket in some four years.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on April 05, 2021, 11:35:03 AM
What BillyB is suggesting is anarchy.


Is the media changing the definition of anarchy? Nobody I know who's upset with our government is calling for anarchy. We all want good and honest government and we want all bad government abolished. No different than Ukrainians and Belarussians.

While I suspect there was fraud involved in the Presidential election, I suspect it cuts both ways. Team Trump had a chance to prove in the courts the fraud and they lost.


You and Tex may believe all avenues the Constitution provided has run out but there are Constitutional processes that can still happen. We've been given a 2nd Amendment to use as a Constitutional process to right the wrong.

It is time to move on and hope the Republicans can form a strong ticket in some four years.


Apparently you still think American elections are free and fair. Once the corrupt politicians in Europe sees the benefits of the voting machines we used, it'll be coming to Europe.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on April 05, 2021, 12:01:01 PM
At least you admit there are avenues to remove Biden, a guy who cheated with the help of a corrupt system. The military is another way to remove Biden if he doesn't want to step down. It's happened in other countries, it can happen here. Soldiers took an oath to defend America from enemies foreign and domestic, What kind of guy are you Tex? Will you pick up a rifle and go after people who are trying to take over our country? I will.

Some do not understand the meaning of anarchy. The above quote is a reasonable picture of some one who is an anarchist & will go beyond the law and principles of democracy. To help, below is a definition.

1. The theory or doctrine that all forms of government are oppressive and undesirable and should be abolished.
2. Active resistance and terrorism against the state, as used by some anarchists.
3. Rejection of all forms of coercive control and authority: "He was inclined to anarchism; he hated system and organization and uniformity" (Bertrand Russell).
4. A person who causes through violence, disorder or upheaval.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on April 05, 2021, 12:13:13 PM
1. The theory or doctrine that all forms of government are oppressive and undesirable and should be abolished.
2. Active resistance and terrorism against the state, as used by some anarchists.
3. Rejection of all forms of coercive control and authority: "He was inclined to anarchism; he hated system and organization and uniformity" (Bertrand Russell).
4. A person who causes through violence, disorder or upheaval.


Your definition proves you wrong.

1) I never said ALL forms of goverment is oppressive and should be abolished

2) Active resistance against a state is used by SOME anarchists. Who else does that? Good citizens at appropriate times. Were Americans anarchists or terrorists in the Revolutionary war or were they Heroes and great Patriots?

3) Rejection of ALL FORMS of authority. I've never told anybody to reject good honest government.

4) The disorder and upheaval in this case is coming from the American government. Some people may have even violently died because of the American governments actions. Anybody seen ex CIA director Gina Haspel? She's been missing since after the election. CNN would've rewarded her with a tv contract by now but nobody can locate her.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on April 05, 2021, 02:55:05 PM
1. The theory or doctrine that all forms of government are oppressive and undesirable and should be abolished.
2. Active resistance and terrorism against the state, as used by some anarchists.
3. Rejection of all forms of coercive control and authority: "He was inclined to anarchism; he hated system and organization and uniformity" (Bertrand Russell).
4. A person who causes through violence, disorder or upheaval.


Your definition proves you wrong.

1) I never said ALL forms of goverment is oppressive and should be abolished

2) Active resistance against a state is used by SOME anarchists. Who else does that? Good citizens at appropriate times. Were Americans anarchists or terrorists in the Revolutionary war or were they Heroes and great Patriots?

Stop trying to avoid the reality.

Just your words, you are doing a Moby Swerve from your below quote. Really quite simple.


Will you pick up a rifle and go after people who are trying to take over our country? I will.

Simple.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on April 05, 2021, 09:58:15 PM
Billy I do not know if Trump won or not. But I do not it was no land side for Trump and in all likely hood he lost the popular vote worse than he did in the first election.  From the people I know there were a lot of people who did not want to see him win again because of his management style as well as perceived miss handling the virus. In Belarus the people believed he lost by 80 per cent to 20 per cent of the vote. We did not have anything like that. The people in western Ukraine wanted no part of going back to be part of Russia. They were very bad memories of being starved and missed treated for centuries. Nothing like that has happened in the USA.

Putin separating off pro Russian supporters has made it where the Ukraine will likely not be close to Russia any time this century. Ukraine was a 50 million people country but it is down to 38 million people where 12 million people who were mainly pro Russian are not in the country and no longer voting. This makes what is left of the country anti Russian thanks to Putin's bad choices. If Putin had not removed these people from the Ukraine it would be likely in a few years they would voted in a pro Russian government.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on April 05, 2021, 11:46:16 PM

Just your words, you are doing a Moby Swerve from your below quote. Really quite simple. [/size][/font]

Will you pick up a rifle and go after people who are trying to take over our country? I will.

Simple.

If you're afraid of taking action when corrupt people take over your government, just say so but don't fool yourself and others by labelling the good people willing to take action as anarchists or terrorists.

When Lincoln, the first Republican President took office, he had lots of resistance when trying to enact policy. There were court challenges and the judges were installed by Democrats. Judges ruled against Lincoln's policies. Lincoln couldn't get anything done. Guns ended up settling disputes.

"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." Abraham Lincoln

https://twitter.com/JovanHPulitzer/status/1379259338552963075
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on April 07, 2021, 07:10:43 AM
Maybe we are beginning to see the Trump replacement who will be running in 2024. The news media is so unpopular if the press does not like them that means they must be good.  :thumbsup:

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis is bolstering his position as a potential leading 2024 Republican presidential contender amid a high-profile battle with CBS's "60 Minutes

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gov-desantis-wins-new-fans-on-right-in-60-minutes-fight/ar-BB1fo3CU?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on April 07, 2021, 08:49:54 AM

If you're afraid of taking action when corrupt people take over your government, just say so but don't fool yourself and others by labelling the good people willing to take action as anarchists or terrorists.

When Lincoln, the first Republican President took office, he had lots of resistance when trying to enact policy. There were court challenges and the judges were installed by Democrats. Judges ruled against Lincoln's policies. Lincoln couldn't get anything done. Guns ended up settling disputes.

"We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution." Abraham Lincoln

https://twitter.com/JovanHPulitzer/status/1379259338552963075

If it was Bernie Sanders won by a Quote "landside" I doubt you would be so vocal so ready to pick up a gun.  This is more about your candidate did not win than anything else.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on April 07, 2021, 09:54:16 AM
This is more about your candidate did not win than anything else.


I don't support cheaters even if my candidate was found to cheat. Besides bashing Democrats, I've told people to not donate or vote Republican. Most did not challenge election fraud so their silence means they've accepted corruption in our government.

In another post of yours, you wondered if any Republican could be Biden in 2024. The guy has dementia. Everybody could beat Biden. He should've have even won the Democratic primaries. I showed a book, documents, and a video of high level Democrats saying their is election cheating in their primaries. Hillary was chosen. Biden was chosen. Quit talking about who WE can vote in. WE don't matter anymore.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on April 16, 2021, 08:49:08 PM
This is more about your candidate did not win than anything else.


I don't support cheaters even if my candidate was found to cheat. Besides bashing Democrats, I've told people to not donate or vote Republican. Most did not challenge election fraud so their silence means they've accepted corruption in our government.

In another post of yours, you wondered if any Republican could be Biden in 2024. The guy has dementia. Everybody could beat Biden. He should've have even won the Democratic primaries. I showed a book, documents, and a video of high level Democrats saying their is election cheating in their primaries. Hillary was chosen. Biden was chosen. Quit talking about who WE can vote in. WE don't matter anymore.

WE have not mattered for 100 plus years. Welcome to reality, Billy.

JFK and now Trump are good examples of what happens if a President refuses to do what TPTB want him to do.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on April 17, 2021, 11:52:22 PM

Punk icon John Lydon, the former Sex Pistols frontman who recently endorsed President Trump’s reelection campaign, said the Democratic Party will slowly but effectively “stifle the living daylights” out of Americans.

In an interview Thursday with Fox News, Mr. Lydon, formerly “Johnny Rotten,” slammed the left’s culture of political correctness and rush to take the “moral high ground.”

Johnny is right.

Supporting Trump is punk rock.


https://jermwarfare.com/blog/donald-trumps-accomplishments
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on April 19, 2021, 09:58:24 PM
Movie: Kill Chain. Featuring Finnish hacker and Cyber Security expert Harri Hursti who explains who insecure modern elections really are. The movie is about one third of the way down after clicking on the link.

https://themarshallreport.wordpress.com/2021/03/31/patrick-byrne-the-deep-rig-book-and-trump-will-be-back/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on April 19, 2021, 10:23:58 PM
Movie: Kill Chain. Featuring Finnish hacker and Cyber Security expert Harri Hursti who explains who insecure modern elections really are. The movie is about one third of the way down after clicking on the link.

https://themarshallreport.wordpress.com/2021/03/31/patrick-byrne-the-deep-rig-book-and-trump-will-be-back/

At about 34:45 into the video, Cyber security expert Jake Stauffer (Coherent Cyber) offers to test Dominion and another system for California and was able to easily exploit those two systems.

At a little more than 40 minutes into the video, Harri finds 1,200 voting machines for sale at a recycler in Ohio. So he and his partner go there and purchase two of them.

According to voting officials, normal people or hackers cannot get their hands onto voting machines. Harri easily proves that to be false!

Not only that, but once he gets the machines to an office, the first thing the machine asks when powered up is, would you like to connect to the internet?

This after James Comey and numerous others tell bold face lies, that the machines are not connected to the internet! Harri explains why that is demonstrably FALSE.

Basically folks, I previously had little interest or knowledge about voting computers and security, and I have quickly learned the depth that the media has been lying to us, as well as our elected officials. These machines are a joke! A very dark joke, easily exploited by hackers.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on April 19, 2021, 11:01:40 PM
Movie: Kill Chain. Featuring Finnish hacker and Cyber Security expert Harri Hursti who explains who insecure modern elections really are. The movie is about one third of the way down after clicking on the link.

https://themarshallreport.wordpress.com/2021/03/31/patrick-byrne-the-deep-rig-book-and-trump-will-be-back/

At about 34:45 into the video, Cyber security expert Jake Stauffer (Coherent Cyber) offers to test Dominion and another system for California and was able to easily exploit those two systems.

At a little more than 40 minutes into the video, Harri finds 1,200 voting machines for sale at a recycler in Ohio. So he and his partner go there and purchase two of them.

According to voting officials, normal people or hackers cannot get their hands onto voting machines. Harri easily proves that to be false!

Not only that, but once he gets the machines to an office, the first thing the machine asks when powered up is, would you like to connect to the internet?

This after James Comey and numerous others tell bold face lies, that the machines are not connected to the internet! Harri explains why that is demonstrably FALSE.

Basically folks, I previously had little interest or knowledge about voting computers and security, and I have quickly learned the depth that the media has been lying to us, as well as our elected officials. These machines are a joke! A very dark joke, easily exploited by hackers.

At 53 minutes into the video, they show a bunch of real voting machines to hackers. A hacker is able to use his laptop to turn a machine off. He then explains that drive by hackers could actually drive by an election, change thousands of votes without the machine knowing it, and then drive off.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on April 20, 2021, 08:37:14 PM
Not sure where to put this, however since I have been discussing election fraud in relation to the 2020 election, I will put it here.

Mike Lindell sues Dominion for 1.6 Billion dollars.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2021/04/19/mypillow-ceo-mike-lindell-says-hes-suing-dominion-for-16-billion/?sh=17872507f3fe
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on April 30, 2021, 08:54:24 PM
No matter is you're a left winger a right winger in the middle or just don't care, this interview was rather funny.

         
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on May 01, 2021, 05:38:24 PM
, skip the first 5 minutes, its just an annoying beep.

Interesting take.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on May 03, 2021, 10:18:55 PM
, skip the first 5 minutes, its just an annoying beep.

Interesting take.

Yes if you take the time to listen to everything he has to say it's clear that President Trump did a great job building an economy which blessed all Americans regardless of race or gender.

It's too bad that our media is controlled by people who dislike this country and disrespect normal citizens. They did a number on President Trump and about half the country was deceived by their lies and manipulations.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on May 03, 2021, 11:03:52 PM
No matter is you're a left winger a right winger in the middle or just don't care, this interview was rather funny.



More importantly, the media can't ignore the audits and election fraud anymore. They are ridiculing it though.

"Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized.
In the first stage it is ridiculed,
in the second stage it is opposed,
in the third it is regarded as self-evident"

Arthur Schopenhauer
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on May 04, 2021, 02:59:29 AM
No matter is you're a left winger a right winger in the middle or just don't care, this interview was rather funny.



More importantly, the media can't ignore the audits and election fraud anymore. They are ridiculing it though.

"Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized.
In the first stage it is ridiculed,
in the second stage it is opposed,
in the third it is regarded as self-evident"

Arthur Schopenhauer


In the computer-world this has been transcribed as:
- First they ignore you
- Second they will try to create fear, uncertainty, doubt about you
- Third they will ridicule you
- Then you win.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on May 27, 2021, 10:41:06 AM
Memorial Day greetings from the desk of Donald J. Trump, 45th and 46th President of the USA.

"With Memorial Day Weekend coming up, tomorrow people start driving in the biggest automobile days of the year. I’m sorry to say the gasoline prices that you will be confronted with are far higher than they were just a short number of months ago where we had gasoline under $2 a gallon. Remember as you’re watching the meter tick, and your dollars pile up, how great of a job Donald Trump did as President. Soon Russia and the Middle East will be making a fortune on oil, and you will be saying how good it was to have me as your President. Wasn’t it great to be energy independent, but we are energy independent no more. Shame, shame, shame. Other than that, have a great Memorial Day Weekend!"



https://www.donaldjtrump.com/desk

https://secure.winred.com/save-america-joint-fundraising-committee/storefront/don-t-blame-me-i-voted-for-trump-garden-sign-24-x-12-blue/details
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on May 27, 2021, 03:12:21 PM
25 percent of Americans believe Trump is the true President!


https://news.yahoo.com/poll-quarter-americans-believe-donald-160433989.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on May 27, 2021, 03:28:01 PM
CNN makes a bold move!

https://babylonbee.com/news/cnn-hires-trump-as-news-anchor-to-recover-lost-viewers
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on May 27, 2021, 06:25:02 PM
25 percent of Americans believe Trump is the true President!


https://news.yahoo.com/poll-quarter-americans-believe-donald-160433989.html

It's going to be more soon. We need to keep waking people up with the truth.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on May 29, 2021, 04:22:04 PM
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/news  Donald J. Trump's new Save America Social Media website - instead of Twittering Twaats its press releases in classic Trump the NYC Developer brawling style!

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on May 29, 2021, 11:09:55 PM
CNN makes a bold move!

https://babylonbee.com/news/cnn-hires-trump-as-news-anchor-to-recover-lost-viewers

This is completely funny. He looks like a complete joke. Best laugh I had all day.

Yes Billy. The other 75 per cent would never vote for him again. That movie they are going to make will be about as convincing as the Inconvenient Truth was. I do not think that movie made anyone want to vote for Al Gore. All of you nut cases will love it and become even more crazy than you are now and divide the country more make it even harder for Republicans to get elected.  You guys are helping the very same people you claim to hate whether you know it or not.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on May 30, 2021, 12:59:30 AM
Fake election news. Many of the new broadcasters are admitting that the news they are putting out about the election is fake. They are being sued and are saying that no reasonable person would believe them. They are not news but rather news entertainment.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-truly-sinister-message-behind-the-right-s-defense-of-its-lies/ar-AAKwrEJ?ocid=msedgntp

That defense, dubbed the “No Reasonable Person” defense, has been made by a string of prominent conservatives, including Sidney Powell, Alex Jones, and Tucker Carlson. It argues that “no reasonable person” would believe the statements they make, which ostensibly gives them the right to say whatever they want—no matter how reckless or untrue. The “No Reasonable Person” defense is significant because it shows that conservative media stars and their networks, and even prominent conservative lawyers, are finally admitting that they are not reliable sources of facts: They are opportunists and entertainers, first and foremost.

Take Sidney Powell, Donald Trump’s former lawyer. In March, Powell sought to dismiss a $1.3 billion defamation suit filed against her by Dominion Voting Systems. Her lawyers argued that “No reasonable person would conclude that the statements [Powell made] were truly statements of fact.” The “statements” the motion referred to were Powell’s claims that Dominion engaged in a widespread conspiracy to rig the 2020 presidential election for Joe Biden—by, among other things, electronically switching votes cast for Trump to Biden. Those statements were repeated constantly by Fox News and other right-wing outlets, doing untold damage to our democracy by helping entrench the fallacy that the election was stolen (polls show most Republicans still believe this).

As Orwellian as Powell’s defense sounds—she is a lawyer, after all—it was just the latest attempt by a prominent conservative to use this argument to avoid responsibility for making potentially libelous claims. Given the enormous influence Powell [by representing Trump] and these other conservative stars hold on the Republican electorate, the essence of the argument is jaw-dropping. They are arguing, in a court of law, that they should not be held accountable for their statements because most people should know that their statements are not true. Whether their viewers and listeners are “reasonable” is another matter, but one need only look at Antonio and the Capitol riot to know that ludicrous, baseless statements are often widely believed.

This disingenuousness extends to entire networks, as well. Take One America News, an increasingly influential conservative news channel. For a story published in April, Marty Golingan, a producer at OAN, told The New York Times that he believed his channel’s misinformation helped spark the Capitol riot. Moreover, he claimed that most OAN employees did not believe Trump’s voter fraud claims even though the network frequently promoted them. Checking his claims, The Times interviewed 18 current and former employees and found that 16 of them backed Golingan, agreeing that the channel ran stories that were “misleading, inaccurate, or untrue.” (Twelve OAN employees ultimately quit in the wake of the riot.)

In spreading his “Big Lie,” Trump was aided by people like Powell, Jones, Carlson, Rudy Guiliani, Jeanine Pirro, Lou Dobbs (these last three are being sued by Smartmatic, another voting systems company) and so many like them. But again, these are entertainers and lackeys, not serious commentators. The evidence—indeed, their own courtroom admissions—is increasingly bearing this out.

One more example bears repeating. In September 2020, a federal judge dismissed a defamation suit against Fox News brought by Karen McDougal, the former Playmate who claimed she had had an affair with Trump. What prompted McDougal to file the suit was Tucker Carlson's on-air claim that she had attempted to extort Trump by alleging the affair. But Fox's lawyers succeeded in getting the suit tossed by arguing that Carlson's statements "are not reasonably understood as being factual." U.S. District Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil agreed, ruling that "Given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer arrives with an appropriate amount of skepticism about the statements he makes."



Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on May 31, 2021, 09:38:54 AM
Fake election news. Many of the new broadcasters are admitting that the news they are putting out about the election is fake. They are being sued and are saying that no reasonable person would believe them. They are not news but rather news entertainment.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-truly-sinister-message-behind-the-right-s-defense-of-its-lies/ar-AAKwrEJ?ocid=msedgntp

That defense, dubbed the “No Reasonable Person” defense, has been made by a string of prominent conservatives, including Sidney Powell, Alex Jones, and Tucker Carlson. It argues that “no reasonable person” would believe the statements they make, which ostensibly gives them the right to say whatever they want—no matter how reckless or untrue. The “No Reasonable Person” defense is significant because it shows that conservative media stars and their networks, and even prominent conservative lawyers, are finally admitting that they are not reliable sources of facts: They are opportunists and entertainers, first and foremost.

Take Sidney Powell, Donald Trump’s former lawyer. In March, Powell sought to dismiss a $1.3 billion defamation suit filed against her by Dominion Voting Systems. Her lawyers argued that “No reasonable person would conclude that the statements [Powell made] were truly statements of fact.” The “statements” the motion referred to were Powell’s claims that Dominion engaged in a widespread conspiracy to rig the 2020 presidential election for Joe Biden—by, among other things, electronically switching votes cast for Trump to Biden. Those statements were repeated constantly by Fox News and other right-wing outlets, doing untold damage to our democracy by helping entrench the fallacy that the election was stolen (polls show most Republicans still believe this).

As Orwellian as Powell’s defense sounds—she is a lawyer, after all—it was just the latest attempt by a prominent conservative to use this argument to avoid responsibility for making potentially libelous claims. Given the enormous influence Powell [by representing Trump] and these other conservative stars hold on the Republican electorate, the essence of the argument is jaw-dropping. They are arguing, in a court of law, that they should not be held accountable for their statements because most people should know that their statements are not true. Whether their viewers and listeners are “reasonable” is another matter, but one need only look at Antonio and the Capitol riot to know that ludicrous, baseless statements are often widely believed.

This disingenuousness extends to entire networks, as well. Take One America News, an increasingly influential conservative news channel. For a story published in April, Marty Golingan, a producer at OAN, told The New York Times that he believed his channel’s misinformation helped spark the Capitol riot. Moreover, he claimed that most OAN employees did not believe Trump’s voter fraud claims even though the network frequently promoted them. Checking his claims, The Times interviewed 18 current and former employees and found that 16 of them backed Golingan, agreeing that the channel ran stories that were “misleading, inaccurate, or untrue.” (Twelve OAN employees ultimately quit in the wake of the riot.)

In spreading his “Big Lie,” Trump was aided by people like Powell, Jones, Carlson, Rudy Guiliani, Jeanine Pirro, Lou Dobbs (these last three are being sued by Smartmatic, another voting systems company) and so many like them. But again, these are entertainers and lackeys, not serious commentators. The evidence—indeed, their own courtroom admissions—is increasingly bearing this out.

One more example bears repeating. In September 2020, a federal judge dismissed a defamation suit against Fox News brought by Karen McDougal, the former Playmate who claimed she had had an affair with Trump. What prompted McDougal to file the suit was Tucker Carlson's on-air claim that she had attempted to extort Trump by alleging the affair. But Fox's lawyers succeeded in getting the suit tossed by arguing that Carlson's statements "are not reasonably understood as being factual." U.S. District Judge Mary Kay Vyskocil agreed, ruling that "Given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer arrives with an appropriate amount of skepticism about the statements he makes."


Fake news for gullible sheep like Tex.

Sidney Powell has no choice but to use the tricks of liberals to fight the bogus lawsuit.

Any story can and will be twisted by the lame stream media, and the sheep will bay.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on May 31, 2021, 10:13:59 AM

Tex, the court documents are online to read. Your media translation is awful because their interpretation of the documents is awful. Your media has been lying to you everyday. They tell you enough truth to get you to believe them. Tampa Bay won the Superbowl and it's sunny outside today. All true but when it comes to politics, it's propaganda. When this is over, Dominion will be extinct.
Title: Trump BACK on the campaign trail for 2024!
Post by: Contrarian on June 01, 2021, 02:58:54 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-s-back-here-s-what-his-re-entry-means-n1269136
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on June 02, 2021, 12:55:45 PM
CNN makes a bold move!

https://babylonbee.com/news/cnn-hires-trump-as-news-anchor-to-recover-lost-viewers

I like the Babylon Bee for satire.

Quote
During his first night on the job, Trump simply yelled about election fraud for two hours. "Very sad, very pathetic, worst-run election in history, maybe ever! Worse than North Korea!"

At least in North Korea they have a pretty good idea who is going to win and there will be no dodgy ballot machines or surprise winners. Its stability in many ways.  :whist11:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on June 09, 2021, 10:31:52 AM
         
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 10, 2021, 12:14:53 PM


Colorado is going to visit the Arizona audit to see how to do one better than the audits the government provides. People are paying for the audits, not the government so one can donate below.

https://americaproject.com


Gen Flynn says why it's important Americans keep these audits going. This is our chance to check on the quality of elections our government provides us.

https://t.me/KanekoaTheGreat/360


Dr. Frank who came to my state is now educating Ohioans. Frank has figured out the algorithms for cheating in most states. He tells Ohioans to imagine rolling a 20 sided die 83 times in one county and then doing in in the 87 other counties Ohio has and they all came up with the same 83 numbers. Every county has the same algorithm in Ohio but other States use a different algorithm but the every county in those States will have the same algorithm.


Capitol security tape obtained showing Anitfa gang breaking windows and entering Capitol building. No alarms going off and no resistance from cops. Seems to me they knew where to enter unopposed.

https://t.me/WeTheMedia/21997


Trump's inauguration speech Jan 2017 makes more sense now. He said we are taking back power from Washington DC and giving it back to people. He said a small group of people in government prospered at the expense of the people.


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on June 10, 2021, 04:53:28 PM
It shows just how delusional people can be when they see enough propaganda. There is no chance Trump will be President this year or any time before the next president election.

Republicans do not know what to do to dent Biden's popularity so they say fake Elections. Remember this when the year ends and see who is president. Whether I or Billy like it or not, it will be not be Trump.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nearly-one-in-three-republicans-say-it-s-likely-that-trump-will-be-reinstated-as-president-this-year-a-new-poll-shows/ar-AAKS6uK?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 11, 2021, 12:17:56 AM
It shows just how delusional people can be when they see enough propaganda.


Let's revisit this statement before the year is up. Some of us are embracing a healthy dose of propaganda on a daily basis.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on June 11, 2021, 10:20:38 PM
It shows just how delusional people can be when they see enough propaganda.


Let's revisit this statement before the year is up. Some of us are embracing a healthy dose of propaganda on a daily basis.

Yea lets do that!!!  On or about January 15, I said there was no chance Trump would be president on January 20 and you said their was a 100 per cent chance he would be. On January 20 Trump was on his way home and Biden was president. It was stupid of you then because there was no way for Biden not to become president. Billy, you and Ms Harris have something in common. You are both slow learners.  January 1, 2022 Trump will not be president!!!

Contrarian: No bogus lawsuits just fake news. He completely could not prove his story. So he argued this news was so fake that no intelligent person would believe it.  Why do you believe anything this guys says?

AZ audit should finish this week. They are now not releasing any info for two months. AZ senate Republicans are scared it will not prove any fraud in Elections. Their backs are against a wall. If they do not find any fraud they will be so out of office. They have to find fraud someplace or they look really stupid. So now Republicans are desperately trying to see if they can find fraud some place else in the two months. In the end they will end up proving Biden just won. Why don't you guys do the whole country? Maybe republicans can pass a new audit tax to pay for it. Maybe ask every voter to pay ten dollars donation so if the republicans lose they pay for extra audits.

If they manage to find any fraud some place they will put ever who did it in jail and Biden will still be president. This concept of putting Trump back in office has zero chance of happening. Finding enough fraud that would of change the election is a very extremely low chance. This is just fake making stuff up that the supreme court would reinstate Trump. They do not even have the power to do that. You guys are so dumb you believe anything even if it has no way of happening.   
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on June 12, 2021, 12:57:10 AM
It shows just how delusional people can be when they see enough propaganda.


Let's revisit this statement before the year is up. Some of us are embracing a healthy dose of propaganda on a daily basis.

Yea lets do that!!!  On or about January 15, I said there was no chance Trump would be president on January 20 and you said their was a 100 per cent chance he would be. On January 20 Trump was on his way home and Biden was president. It was stupid of you then because there was no way for Biden not to become president. Billy, you and Ms Harris have something in common. You are both slow learners.  January 1, 2022 Trump will not be president!!!

Contrarian: No bogus lawsuits just fake news. He completely could not prove his story. So he argued this news was so fake that no intelligent person would believe it.  Why do you believe anything this guys says?

AZ audit should finish this week. They are now not releasing any info for two months. AZ senate Republicans are scared it will not prove any fraud in Elections. Their backs are against a wall. If they do not find any fraud they will be so out of office. They have to find fraud someplace or they look really stupid. So now Republicans are desperately trying to see if they can find fraud some place else in the two months. In the end they will end up proving Biden just won. Why don't you guys do the whole country? Maybe republicans can pass a new audit tax to pay for it. Maybe ask every voter to pay ten dollars donation so if the republicans lose they pay for extra audits.

If they manage to find any fraud some place they will put ever who did it in jail and Biden will still be president. This concept of putting Trump back in office has zero chance of happening. Finding enough fraud that would of change the election is a very extremely low chance. This is just fake making stuff up that the supreme court would reinstate Trump. They do not even have the power to do that. You guys are so dumb you believe anything even if it has no way of happening.

I suspect Tex pretty much nails it with a sledgehammer.

Sorry Billy, lets look forward.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 12, 2021, 12:13:14 PM

Guys, please stop reading fake news. You're out of the loop thinking it's over. It's just getting started. 1/3rd of all the States have been to the Arizona audit to learn how to do a proper forensic audit. You think I'm wasting my time. Do you think States are wasting their time too if nothing fruitful will come of these audits? Of course something fruitful will come of it because Democrats have been fighting in court for months to stop them but judges seen the evidence and allowed audits to proceed in third party hands since the government provided elections showed fraud. Government supplied audits were BS.


PM Boris Johnson wants to build back better in a greener, gender neutral and in a feminine way. Is he adopting Biden's program or mocking Biden? What is Biden giving to Europe to make them adopt Biden's plan?

https://t.me/disclosetv/2834


Biden's AG made a statement about the audits. Arizona State Sen promises prison for DOJ officials should they get involved in their investigation of their elections.

https://twitter.com/wendyrogersaz/status/1403456229486247942?s=12


Besides voting machine manufactures, ballot printing companies will be going out of business. They purposely misprinted ballots so the machines would reject them and send them for adjudication. This is how they count a Trump ballot for Biden.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/breaking-exclusive-huge-printers-ballots-better-lawyer-2020-ballots-modified-multiple-republican-areas-forcing-adjudication-potential-fraudulent-vote-switching/


Other things coming out of the Arizona audit is 10% of the ballots in Maricopa County are missing. That's over 200,000 ballots missing in a state that Biden won by 10,500. No wonder they were resisting an audit so much in Arizona. They will continue to resist audits starting up all over the nation. In Arizona they also found the machines were hooked up to the internet which alone would invalidate the election. Xerox copies of ballots were used. Safety seals off ballot boxes and machines were cut. There's more.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 12, 2021, 12:37:50 PM

I get the feeling that the truth is too much for some to handle. To learn their government has taken away free and fair elections goes against everything they believe in. They'll have to admit their whole education from propaganda media was a lie. Who wants to admit they embraced propaganda for years and couldn't figure it out?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on June 12, 2021, 09:35:43 PM

I get the feeling that the truth is too much for some to handle. To learn their government has taken away free and fair elections goes against everything they believe in. They'll have to admit their whole education from propaganda media was a lie. Who wants to admit they embraced propaganda for years and couldn't figure it out?

Billy thank you very much for posting the links above!

This story here is truly shocking, but somehow it does not surprise me.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/raffensperger-gets-caught-georgia-ballots-printed-differently-gop-counties-vs-dem-counties-election-rigged/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 13, 2021, 09:53:34 AM

I get the feeling that the truth is too much for some to handle. To learn their government has taken away free and fair elections goes against everything they believe in. They'll have to admit their whole education from propaganda media was a lie. Who wants to admit they embraced propaganda for years and couldn't figure it out?

Billy thank you very much for posting the links above!

This story here is truly shocking, but somehow it does not surprise me.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/raffensperger-gets-caught-georgia-ballots-printed-differently-gop-counties-vs-dem-counties-election-rigged/

 Arizona's audit just confirmed that particular criminal activity occurred. I remember reading that article back in December and it's evidence like that that gets judges to okay 3rd party audits. Can't trust the government to do an audit when they gave us a fraudulent election. Like other States, the fight to audit Georgia has met massive resistance from the Democrats. Soon they will get one and it'll confirm all the witness testimony that judges have reviewed.


The media is saying these audits are a waste of time yet there is a massive fight to stop them. Arizona's audit consisted of the Presidential and Senate races but they've approved a second audit for down ballot races. If this happens around the country, the Republicans may take the House and Senate. Judges in the past have removed sitting politicians and installed the true winner or ordered new elections when discovered an election was rigged. Your and my donations to these audits will put people in jail, make changes in Congress and possibly in the Executive branch once Biden is ruled illegitimate and his name erased from the history books as being an American President.

Good summary somebody on the internet wrote:

Imagine being the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors; your routers show remote access from foreign countries, you adjudicated over 230,000 ballots, your chain of custody documents are a joke, you deleted a database to cover up all of the discrepancies, and you know that you certified a fraudulent election.

So you fight the court ordered subpoena from your State's Senate for 5-months, then you make it as difficult as possible for the auditors, you hit the television circuit to discredit them, you start a social media campaign to discredit them, and you deny, deny, deny.

Doesn't all of their childish behavior make sense now?

On top of everything else they did... they might have been missing up to 200,000 ballots this entire time!!!



Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on June 13, 2021, 11:21:07 AM
Wow what a reliable source. "Somebody on the internet wrote!" and the article by someone no body heard of.

Fake news by Billy
January 20 100 per cent Trump would be president.
The country is controlled by the military and Biden is a prisoner.
Biden will never meet with foreign leaders or fly on Air force 1.
Trump would be returned to office in March.
And so much more. AS I said you are a slow learner. Look at your on post over the passed 5 months. See a pattern?
Now lets talk about who is reading fake news.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 13, 2021, 12:54:52 PM
January 20 100 per cent Trump would be president.


That's what history books will record because he won the election. Biden will be recorded as somebody who was never president.


Look at your on post over the passed 5 months. See a pattern?
Now lets talk about who is reading fake news.


You're making stuff up. You accuse me of saying certain things. Quote me. There's a search engine here so take a few seconds of your time to prove you're not into manufacturing fake news like the ones you read. If you can't quote me, fake news has taught you well. You should apply for a job there.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on June 13, 2021, 03:56:22 PM
Come on Billy, cough up, there’s ya prez on the plane you wanted.


Actually it's not the plane I wanted. It's the smaller version that the VP usually gets to fly in. Biden flew on that instead of the 747. But the spirit of the terms was met because Biden did fly on a plane controlled by the Air Force so I paid Moby. He asked that I send it to the Alzheimers Society in the UK. Although I still think Biden is and always was illegitimate, doesn't have control over top military brass and they or SCOTUS will remove Biden soon, I will not ask Moby pay up if that happens because he asked that it go to charity.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on June 13, 2021, 04:02:25 PM
Based solely on the shifting sands of your viewpoint I suspect you will find little support for your delusions.


Trump is president and Biden is not yet you and Andrew think I shifted my viewpoint. As far as delusional goes, you both could not grasp the simple terms of my bet with mhr7 even after it was posted multiple times.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on June 13, 2021, 04:04:49 PM
Then I'm dropping out of the bet. You're not going to dictate your bullshit terms on our bet. Take that money and shove it right up your ass.


A bet is a bet. You already agreed to the terms and we both are committed. Are you getting nervous your liberal news sources say the military may oust Biden as an illegitimate president who stole Americans votes and an election? Biden and company stole votes from Trump and flipped them to Biden. A lot of Americans are still steaming mad their votes were manipulated. When the military finishes sorting this mess out, they will reveal their findings with an announcement.

Yesterday somebody secretly recorded Trump at a golf course and thanked him for his service. Trump replied he wasn't finished yet and he will be back. Turn up the volume to hear Trump's response.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on June 13, 2021, 04:12:26 PM

Did you not understand the News link I provided? SCOTUS will hear Trump's Pennsylvania's case, Sidney Powell's Michigan case, and Lin Wood's Georgia case. Your link does not dispute this. SCOTUS can also add more cases any time. Once SCOTUS recognizes election fraud, the military can begin arrests of politicians, civilians and nations involved.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on June 13, 2021, 04:18:40 PM

Apparently Biden and his Defense Secretary doesn't have the power to tell generals to give them a briefing so yesterday through Biden's press secretary, she tweets an invitation to them to give Biden a briefing anytime they want to discuss their work. What do you guys think? Will the generals give Biden a briefing? Maybe if Biden says "Pretty please"

https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/1356758904596811776
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on June 13, 2021, 04:20:17 PM
Based solely on the shifting sands of your viewpoint I suspect you will find little support for your delusions.


Trump is president and Biden is not yet you and Andrew think I shifted my viewpoint. As far as delusional goes, you both could not grasp the simple terms of my bet with mhr7 even after it was posted multiple times.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on June 13, 2021, 04:24:03 PM

Besides the fraudulent election, the inauguration was faked. A prisoner surrounded by fence and razor wire at a state penitentiary can have an inauguration with guards looking on but it doesn't make him President either.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on June 13, 2021, 04:26:08 PM


People can still go to jail for what they did in the election but Biden can not be removed even if fraud is discovered in some states.   


Breaking News!!! Military removes government for committing massive voter fraud!

https://nationalfile.com/burmese-leader-ousted-for-vote-fraud-in-military-coup-had-close-clinton-soros-ties/

Never say "never" Tex.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 13, 2021, 04:40:12 PM

The country is controlled by the military and Biden is a prisoner.
Biden will never meet with foreign leaders or fly on Air force 1.
Trump would be returned to office in March.

 Look at your on post over the passed 5 months.


I'm going to ask you one more time Tex. You made the claims above so quote me. Either your brain doesn't work properly or you're lying. Doesn't really matter, no quality person or quality woman would want to hang around a guy with either problem. Next time you make claims that are false, expect to challenged.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on June 13, 2021, 05:07:19 PM
Lets do this one at a time. Which one is false?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 13, 2021, 05:24:12 PM
Lets do this one at a time. Which one is false?

Read my previous post. It's not that hard to figure out.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on June 13, 2021, 06:11:18 PM
well if you look below they seem to be all proving right though the words may not be exact.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on June 13, 2021, 07:21:11 PM
Lets start with this one,

Biden will never meet with foreign leaders or fly on Air force 1

You had bet that would pay if Biden ever flown on air force one as that would prove he was president. You finally paid.

January 20 100 per cent Trump would be president.

Trump is president and Biden is not yet you and Andrew think I shifted my viewpoint.

That's what history books will record because he won the election. Biden will be recorded as somebody who was never president. This one is really dumb!!!! Manny posted this on the bottom of his posts for a number of months.

The country is controlled by the military and Biden is a prisoner.

Besides the fraudulent election, the inauguration was faked. A prisoner surrounded by fence and razor wire at a state penitentiary can have an inauguration with guards looking on but it doesn't make him President either.

Breaking News!!! Military removes government for committing massive voter fraud! You will believe anything!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 13, 2021, 09:23:29 PM
the words may not be exact.


Yes, they aren't exact because you made stuff up or lied. For example, I never said Biden would not fly on Air Force One or meet with foreign leaders. I made a bet with Moby saying Trump will be President when all disputes are settled. I felt sorry for Moby after Jan 20th so I eased up on the terms saying if Biden flies on AF1, I'll go ahead and pay him while disputes in court continue on. Now you twisted this among other things to say I claimed Biden would never fly on AF1 or meet with foreign leaders.

I knew Trump would win court cases because election fraud evidence is massive and clear and not all judges have been bought. I did not expect the Democrats to hire a 100 attorneys to fight the Arizona audit delaying it for 4 months. This process should've happened much faster if the Democrats were into transparency. They probably feel the money spent fighting the Arizona audit and the dozens of other state audits that are now starting up is worth it to keep that sorry piece of sh!t on the job for a few more months.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on June 14, 2021, 12:14:37 AM
the words may not be exact.


Yes, they aren't exact because you made stuff up or lied. For example, I never said Biden would not fly on Air Force One or meet with foreign leaders. I made a bet with Moby saying Trump will be President when all disputes are settled. I felt sorry for Moby after Jan 20th so I eased up on the terms saying if Biden flies on AF1, I'll go ahead and pay him while disputes in court continue on. Now you twisted this among other things to say I claimed Biden would never fly on AF1 or meet with foreign leaders.

I knew Trump would win court cases because election fraud evidence is massive and clear and not all judges have been bought. I did not expect the Democrats to hire a 100 attorneys to fight the Arizona audit delaying it for 4 months. This process should've happened much faster if the Democrats were into transparency. They probably feel the money spent fighting the Arizona audit and the dozens of other state audits that are now starting up is worth it to keep that sorry piece of sh!t on the job for a few more months.

 :ROFL:

Billy you know I want Biden/Harris gone but sadly TPTB will not, IMO, allow Trump back into the White House so soon, if ever. They would probably rather have martial law and all sorts of other stuff rather than admit that they cheated.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on June 14, 2021, 12:10:06 PM
Prissy pansy purse puppie Canuck PM tells staffers at G7 he expects Kommie  Kameltoe Heels Up Hookin Harris to be POTUS by end of 2022 due to Beijing Biden's clearly demonstrated cognitive decline during G7 meetings...

https://populist.press/leaked-white-house-expects-kamala-to-be-president-by-end-of-2022/


###
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 14, 2021, 01:17:07 PM
Billy you know I want Biden/Harris gone but sadly TPTB will not, IMO, allow Trump back into the White House so soon, if ever. They would probably rather have martial law and all sorts of other stuff rather than admit that they cheated.


They don't have to admit anything. Once the States and/or SCOTUS rules Biden and Kamala are illegitimate, they'll have to step down. If not, the FBI, CIA, DOJ, other law enforcement agencies and US military will have to choose sides. Choosing the side of an illegitimate president isn't the smart thing to do. People will get killed trying to keep a criminal in power.
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on June 14, 2021, 04:51:07 PM
They don't have to admit anything. Once the States and/or SCOTUS rules Biden and Kamala are illegitimate, they'll have to step down. If not, the FBI, CIA, DOJ, other law enforcement agencies and US military will have to choose sides. Choosing the side of an illegitimate president isn't the smart thing to do. People will get killed trying to keep a criminal in power.

Show me where this is possible in the US Constitution. Joe Biden is
the president, the removal process is impeachment or waiting until
the next election.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on June 14, 2021, 08:23:51 PM
They don't have to admit anything. Once the States and/or SCOTUS rules Biden and Kamala are illegitimate, they'll have to step down. If not, the FBI, CIA, DOJ, other law enforcement agencies and US military will have to choose sides. Choosing the side of an illegitimate president isn't the smart thing to do. People will get killed trying to keep a criminal in power.

Show me where this is possible in the US Constitution. Joe Biden is
the president, the removal process is impeachment or waiting until
the next election.

Exactly. And it would be pretty much impossible to impeach the old goat when Congress is controlled by the Demon rats.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 14, 2021, 11:46:02 PM
They don't have to admit anything. Once the States and/or SCOTUS rules Biden and Kamala are illegitimate, they'll have to step down. If not, the FBI, CIA, DOJ, other law enforcement agencies and US military will have to choose sides. Choosing the side of an illegitimate president isn't the smart thing to do. People will get killed trying to keep a criminal in power.

Show me where this is possible in the US Constitution. Joe Biden is
the president, the removal process is impeachment or waiting until
the next election.

Constitution says States are in control of their elections so if they want to reverse things, they can. SCOTUS has original jurisdiction in some cases like when it comes to national security. Watch Mike Lindell's next case go to SCOTUS bypassing lower courts. SCOTUS can remove an enemy impostor in our government. Joe Biden can't be impeached because he's not POTUS which States and possibly SCOTUS is about to prove. If you think people and States are wasting their time and money doing these audits, shoot them a message.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 15, 2021, 12:09:29 AM


Chain of custody missing from Georgia ballots. Nobody wants to say they had control over ballots. Election officials are asking judge to drop  the case for audits with the reason being is they have no control over elections. Seems to me they know there's fraud and claiming they weren't part of it.

https://georgiastarnews.com/2021/06/14/fulton-county-election-official-admits-chain-of-custody-documents-missing-for-2020-absentee-ballots-deposited-in-drop-boxes/


Ruby Freeman and her election manager daughter had depositions. More will give depositions. Soon they'll be ratting each other out to get lesser punishment.

https://creativedestructionmedia.com/news/politics/2021/06/14/ga-election-fraud-case-attorneys-subpoena-fulton-election-officials-for-deposition/


They said reporter who broke Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch tarmac story committed suicide.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/breaking-reporter-broke-clinton-lynch-tarmac-story-found-dead-apartment/


In this interview he said he received death threats and had taken action to protect himself and his family.

https://t.me/WeTheMediaChat/2126223


Lots of people who knew Putin  the Clintons have committed suicide. True story bro.

https://babylonbee.com/news/cdc-people-dirt-clintons-843-greater-risk-suicide


Arizona will design ballots similar to money which is hard to counterfeit.

https://uncoverdc.com/2021/06/12/the-ballot-integrity-project/


New video going viral called "Snowflakes". GQ may like this.

https://rumble.com/vi7ifr-liberals-melt-after-incredible-new-rap-video-speaks-truth.html


Decertification of Arizona's election being discussed.

https://creativedestructionmedia.com/news/politics/2021/06/12/massive-number-of-missing-ballots-foretold-in-arizona-election-audit-decertification-now-openly-discussed/


Listen to all these prominent Democrats complain about voting machines can be hacked. They're just upset because they have no real possibility to win a Democratic nomination for POTUS.

https://t.me/JovanHuttonPulitzer/1421


Reporter ready to bust out a big story on FOX. She was on live tv to tell how they muzzle reporters.

https://t.me/WeTheMediaChat/2138551


Colonel Walden said he had to investigate election fraud in foreign for 30 years. Never did he imagine he'd be doing it here. What he saw here in real time happens elsewhere.

https://tv.gab.com/channel/auyrnnet/view/there-was-plenty-of-evidence-of-60c6976e366ab51bb7dffd15
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on June 15, 2021, 12:47:11 AM


Chain of custody missing from Georgia ballots. Nobody wants to say they had control over ballots. Election officials are asking judge to drop  the case for audits with the reason being is they have no control over elections. Seems to me they know there's fraud and claiming they weren't part of it.

https://georgiastarnews.com/2021/06/14/fulton-county-election-official-admits-chain-of-custody-documents-missing-for-2020-absentee-ballots-deposited-in-drop-boxes/
If that is true, then their election should be de-certified. It cannot prove the legality of their voting process.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on June 15, 2021, 09:57:00 PM
First it is another one of the news outlet no body has ever heard of. Just can not have any real trust in it. Many of these outlets are created just to make fake news. There is no body to sue or hold labile as you can not find an owner to them. Well should I say the owner very well be some homeless drunk who got a free six pack to own this. They are just a web site not a news organization. I do not know any thing about this one.

Then they are talking about one small county in the state. Noticed the official was black so most likely it a a democrat district where Trump would lost wide margin. Then it is only the mail in ballots from a single county. Not likely very many Trump votes in that bunch that could of been lost.

Massive Number Of Missing Ballots Foretold In Arizona Election Audit…Decertification Now Openly Discussed
Once again look at name who is saying this. look at the name of the news out let. Like above it is just a web site.  Not much of a story. It goes on and on with more fake news.

Mike Lindell does not know what he is talking about. No the state can not change their mind. It was approves by the senate. It is done. Biden is President. We have a new election in three year and a few months.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 15, 2021, 11:37:57 PM

CNN, NY Times, and Washington Post is real news? Remember when they told you 5 months ago that Trump lost every court case and it's over?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on June 16, 2021, 12:16:17 AM

CNN, NY Times, and Washington Post is real news? Remember when they told you 5 months ago that Trump lost every court case and it's over?

Where's the beef ?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on June 16, 2021, 01:41:38 AM
As soon as one see that Georgia Star News site one knows that something is amiss.

It is clearly a site set up to disseminate disinformation aimed at low-voltage readers.

For quick context, the site looks very similar to those fake news sites set up to promote fake goods such as health or weight-loss cures. Clearly using a template, fake looking links and banners promoting a single perspective, single content theme with consistent voice and framing.

Anyway, here's a report on the site, it's background, content sourcing policies and more.
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/the-georgia-star-news-guard-nutrition-label/f6cdca592e581206/full.pdf
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on June 16, 2021, 07:14:49 AM
As soon as one see that Georgia Star News site one knows that something is amiss.

It is clearly a site set up to disseminate disinformation aimed at low-voltage readers.

For quick context, the site looks very similar to those fake news sites set up to promote fake goods such as health or weight-loss cures. Clearly using a template, fake looking links and banners promoting a single perspective, single content theme with consistent voice and framing.

Anyway, here's a report on the site, it's background, content sourcing policies and more.
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/the-georgia-star-news-guard-nutrition-label/f6cdca592e581206/full.pdf

That is a bit unfair, the Georgia Star is an extremely conservative news outlet. A bit of an aggregator of content that it wants to promote from the owners perspective.
Fair enough in my book. J. Bezos does more or less the same via The Washington Post.

My opinion understand the perspective of the source and work backwards from there. But I must admit Andrew that you have the patience to wade through all this nonsense is a compliment to your character. I lack the time and patience.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on June 16, 2021, 08:01:05 AM

CNN, NY Times, and Washington Post is real news? Remember when they told you 5 months ago that Trump lost every court case and it's over?

Where's the beef ?


AS far as I know all the real outlets are right!!!! It is over! Biden meets with Putin today.  He went to G7 meeting over the week end. Sure looks to me like he is president. Some people are wanting to claim he is not fit to be president. Then we would get Ms Harris. Not an improvement. I would rather have Biden.

It does not matter how many conservative news site say other wise. If Trump won all these court cases why is he not president? AS far as I know the only cases he won were in republican states where he lost to be able to hold audits on the fake premise this was being done only to improve future elections. None of these audits are suppose to be done to over turn the last election.

Actually what you do not know is people like you and Donald Trump is the best thing to happen to the democrat party. Example Trump is going to Alaska to try unseat the republican senator who voted against him in the impeachment trail. It become likely the new comer if he wins being a Donald Trump candidate will lose the general election. So now the democrat majority will grow. This is likely to happen a number of time until the democrats will come close to having a super majority in Senate. House majority likely to grow as all of this is not is not going over well with the public. A huge majority of the people in the USA do not want Donald Trump as president. They are not going to change their minds. It was extremely irresponsible of him to hold that rally on January 6. The USA public did not like it. His number were dipping before that but since then they are in the trash. Any new election would not even be close.

The majority of the people in the USA are pro vaccine and many Trump supporters are anti vaccine. You can say what you want about the vaccine, but this one issue is killing republicans nationally. No wants to go back to over crowded hospitals and lock downs. Republicans seem to want to do nothing about the virus saying it is fake to control people. This is not going over well with the public and it is why I think Donald Trump just lost. The more Trump supporters do not like the vaccine the less support Donald Trump has nationally. 

Billy, I want to thank you on behalf of the democrat party of the USA for your on going help to win future elections.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on June 16, 2021, 08:43:24 AM
To call that site a 'news outlet' is to be confused about what news is and what an outlet is.

It only takes a second to see what kind of a site it is. The linked PDF is objectively correct in the information provided, no matter that some might agree with the content of the 'news outlet'. The assessment provided there went into much greater detail than I could bother to do, but essentially confirmed my impression.

One might say that this is the kind of site that was being criticised as being Russian false news designed to cause societal disruption and distrust in the electoral system. But it's OK now because it is being bankrolled by a wealthy American with a strident point of view. That its content is designed to mislead, cause societal disruption and increase distrust in the electoral system is fine now, eh?

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on June 16, 2021, 09:22:06 AM
To call that site a 'news outlet' is to be confused about what news is and what an outlet is.

It only takes a second to see what kind of a site it is. The linked PDF is objectively correct in the information provided, no matter that some might agree with the content of the 'news outlet'. The assessment provided there went into much greater detail than I could bother to do, but essentially confirmed my impression.

One might say that this is the kind of site that was being criticised as being Russian false news designed to cause societal disruption and distrust in the electoral system. But it's OK now because it is being bankrolled by a wealthy American with a strident point of view. That its content is designed to mislead, cause societal disruption and increase distrust in the electoral system is fine now, eh?

I was trying to be kind! It is true this whole thing about the election ( not just this one source ) is just what you said, "content is designed to mislead, cause societal disruption and increase distrust in the electoral system." I am sure Putin is just loving it. As he has never been able to do this good of a job. I do not know who is financing it but it is really damaging to the USA.  It is the reason that my dislike for democrat's ideas have been over shadowed by my dislike for republican miss information. The really sad part about it these guys like Billy think they are some sort of patriot for doing this. I posted a link about the same problem in Brazil. It has all the ear marks of the current right win movement in the USA. I  really doubt if any body looked at the video. Hitler's rise to power also had a lot of the ear marks of miss information and the so called "patriots"  we see today. I posted a video about that also. There are movements like Trumpism all over Europe. I hope they die out and it does not spread. I would rather keep this problem in the USA. 

With the slant of our main stream news, and the fake news on the other side, it is hard to make out heads or tails of what is going on politically.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 16, 2021, 09:29:59 AM
As soon as one see that Georgia Star News site one knows that something is amiss.

It is clearly a site set up to disseminate disinformation aimed at low-voltage readers.

For quick context, the site looks very similar to those fake news sites set up to promote fake goods such as health or weight-loss cures. Clearly using a template, fake looking links and banners promoting a single perspective, single content theme with consistent voice and framing.

Anyway, here's a report on the site, it's background, content sourcing policies and more.
https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/the-georgia-star-news-guard-nutrition-label/f6cdca592e581206/full.pdf

NY Times fact checking. Lol.  Anyway, there are election fraud investigations happening right now in Georgia although some of you guys don't want to hear it or believe it using fake news sites to validate your beliefs. Do you guys believe there was a legitimate audit done in Arizona? Conservative news said it happened. Just because left wing news doesn't want to report it doesn't mean it didn't happen. But you guys can continue to think Trump lost all court cases. Trump doesn't need to win every court case, just a few and the final one.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 16, 2021, 09:33:21 AM
With the slant of our main stream news, and the fake news on the other side, it is hard to make out heads or tails of what is going on politically.


It's not hard to figure out Tex. Politicians rig elections. There are legitimate audits approved by judges starting up all around the country. Court cases are online and you can see the evidence for yourself. You don't have to rely on media to tell you want is going on. Stop being lazy.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on June 16, 2021, 11:40:00 AM
He will not win anything. He will only help democrats win more seats and make it wear republicans get killed in the 2024 presidential election. I think this means 66 per cent of the people of the USA will not vote for Trump if elections were held now. Quote from the article.

While he is still popular within the party, Mr. Trump is a diminished political figure: 66 percent of Americans now hope he won't run again in 2024, including 30 percent of Republicans.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/memo-to-respectable-republicans-stop-looking-for-gop-heroes-to-fight-trumpism-from-the-inside/ar-AAL6fZT?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 16, 2021, 01:45:42 PM

Again you're missing the BIG picture. This whole thing is not about Trump. Even if he gets back into power, he won't be around for very long. Free and fair elections are for our benefit, not Trump's. We'll be around for a lot longer than Trump.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on June 16, 2021, 03:28:33 PM
With the slant of our main stream news, and the fake news on the other side, it is hard to make out heads or tails of what is going on politically.


It's not hard to figure out Tex. Politicians rig elections. There are legitimate audits approved by judges starting up all around the country. Court cases are online and you can see the evidence for yourself. You don't have to rely on media to tell you want is going on. Stop being lazy.

Correction: Politicians do not rig elections. Politicians are puppets.

The people who finance politicians control elections.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on June 16, 2021, 05:09:36 PM
With the slant of our main stream news, and the fake news on the other side, it is hard to make out heads or tails of what is going on politically.


It's not hard to figure out Tex. Politicians rig elections. There are legitimate audits approved by judges starting up all around the country. Court cases are online and you can see the evidence for yourself. You don't have to rely on media to tell you want is going on. Stop being lazy.

Correction: Politicians do not rig elections. Politicians are puppets.

The people who finance politicians control elections.

Sadly true.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 17, 2021, 01:23:00 AM
Correction: Politicians do not rig elections. Politicians are puppets.

The people who finance politicians control elections.


I don't doubt guys like Zuckerberg helped pick the winners but politicians are active in rigging elections as we learn more about evidence and who was involved.

First photo attached is Georgia politician Stacy Abrams visiting Arizona's Democratic chairman. He gave her credit for what happened in Arizona. Same type of fraud happened in both states and it's not a coincidence.

Second photo attached is Arizona's Democratic chairman with Kamala back in Jan 2019. He said she'll be the next VP. How did he know that when she was trying to win the Democratic primaries for President? It was determined Biden would be the winner and Kamala VP long before it was publicly announced.

Stacy Abrams ran Fulton County elections in Georgia, which is one of the counties with mass fraud.

https://creativedestructionmedia.com/news/politics/2021/06/16/breaking-evidence-presented-at-hearing-today-shows-stacey-abrams-ran-fulton-county-elections/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on June 17, 2021, 02:53:48 AM
Billy, I did something that you are clearly incapable of doing. I read the link I shared.

Go through the contents and you will see that the points are objectively made and are factual. Had they not been, I would not have bothered to share them.

You see that is how simpletons get misled. They read something (or more often for these people, watch a video) without applying any critical thinking. What they consume feeds and strengthens their preconceptions and, in people like you Billy, with known issues with cognitive dissonance, react with unthinking anger when their fantasies are challenged by inconvenient facts or reality.

Sadly, Billy, it is the millions of undereducated, unthinking men and women similar to yourself who are the destined target of such websites. The rest of us can see this type of propaganda and disinformation for what it is. Sadly, you and your cohort of marching morons will act and vote as if this stuff were all true and be proud of yourselves for doing so.

Billykins, you know the worst thing about you and people like you who fall for this tosh?
It is clear that the U.S electoral system is corrupt from bottom to top. It is clear that there was election fraud in the last general election for president.

However, because of loony-tunes folks who read, believe and act on stuff like the contents of your 'news outlet' there are millions of people who will refuse to associate themselves with people like you and thus not join in any campaign for electoral reform.

You have been motivated by, and serve the interests of, those who have no interest in electoral reform but who want to continue to benefit from a corrupt electoral system.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on June 17, 2021, 07:05:35 AM
Billy, I did something that you are clearly incapable of doing. I read the link I shared.

Go through the contents and you will see that the points are objectively made and are factual. Had they not been, I would not have bothered to share them.

You see that is how simpletons get misled. They read something (or more often for these people, watch a video) without applying any critical thinking. What they consume feeds and strengthens their preconceptions and, in people like you Billy, with known issues with cognitive dissonance, react with unthinking anger when their fantasies are challenged by inconvenient facts or reality.

Sadly, Billy, it is the millions of undereducated, unthinking men and women similar to yourself who are the destined target of such websites. The rest of us can see this type of propaganda and disinformation for what it is. Sadly, you and your cohort of marching morons will act and vote as if this stuff were all true and be proud of yourselves for doing so.

Billykins, you know the worst thing about you and people like you who fall for this tosh?
It is clear that the U.S electoral system is corrupt from bottom to top. It is clear that there was election fraud in the last general election for president.

However, because of loony-tunes folks who read, believe and act on stuff like the contents of your 'news outlet' there are millions of people who will refuse to associate themselves with people like you and thus not join in any campaign for electoral reform.

You have been motivated by, and serve the interests of, those who have no interest in electoral reform but who want to continue to benefit from a corrupt electoral system.

Could you please link the article you are referring to here in your rather strident criticism of Billy?

Thank you, I would like to read it. As you may or may not have noticed, I have a $20 bet with Billy that Trump will not be re-instated as President sometime before the end of 2021.

I think it is more probable that Biden will either die or be declared unfit to continue as President, sometime before the end of 2022.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on June 17, 2021, 07:40:14 AM
I think it is more probable that Biden will either die or be declared unfit to continue as President, sometime before the end of 2022.

On two occasions, as I recall, J. Biden has had brain surgeries. I suspect Wikipedia has the actual details.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on June 17, 2021, 03:27:24 PM
Quote

"But when I went to the rally, I was blown away. I was blown away at how nice, respectful, and American—when I say American, I mean a group of people from all walks of life getting along together—how much of a representation of America the rally was, the people there supporting Trump.

The things that he said were not polarized and divisive, unless you just hate America, then it may be divisive to you. But he said a lot of things that I agree with. The protesters were out of control. I had never seen anything like that in my life.

I’ll never forget walking to the entrance of the rally, very impartial. I didn’t even support Trump at the time. I remember walking through and I felt like Martin Luther King, not that extreme because of course, he had a lot more. But I felt like, “Did Martin Luther King feel this energy of hate and contempt  just for standing up for the freedom to express yourself?”

I was walking down this thing, had no real involvement with the Trump campaign or anything, and they are calling me a white supremacist and that I’m supporting white people, and I should be ashamed of myself.

It was so haunting to me that people were that evil to people just going to see what a candidate has to say about where he stands. That it really changed my mind, and I made a video, never made videos before. I made a video just expressing my thoughts."

Brandon Tatum

https://www.theepochtimes.com/brandon-tatum-the-illusion-of-widespread-police-brutality_3860032.html




Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 17, 2021, 11:16:52 PM

Andrew, you're a fat useless piece of shit. If your country was in trouble, you can't be relied on to help. If your family was on a sinking ship and there was only one life preserver, you'd be the only survivor. Maybe I'll be more like you..... when it comes to name calling.


More evidence politician Stacy Abrams rigged the election. She financed and controlled the staff.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/failed-gubernatorial-candidate-stacey-abrams-hired-controlled-staffing-fulton-county-georgias-2020-election/

Missing ballots and chain of custody issues in Georgia

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/georgia-audit-documents-show-unsecured-missing-ballot-batches-ballots

As the Arizona audit completed the hand counting, the paper evaluation continues and should be completed June 26. So much fraud found that they already have enough to take action.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/arizona-audit-finishes-with-hand-count-closing-in-on-end-of-paper-evaluation_3862627.html?v=ul

A third of the states visited Arizona's audit. Some of you guys thing these audits are a waste of time and won't bring results. Video talks about how secure and thorough the audit is compared to the audits the government gave us. In the video is Arizona's state senator who told the AG Garland he'll be sitting in an Arizona prison if he interferes with Arizona affairs.


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on June 18, 2021, 11:31:55 AM
Some Good News from the New Hampshire Republican Party:

Some good news from the State House today!

The House and Senate have reached an agreement to pass one of the most conservative, responsible budgets that our state has ever seen!

This budget agreement:

Reduces our property tax burden by sending $100 million directly back to the taxpayers

Cuts the BET and BPT (Business Enterprise and Business Profits Taxes) for our ailing small businesses and reduces the Rooms and Meals Tax for the first time in decades

Includes Pro-Life provisions prohibiting abortions after 24 weeks and prohibiting any tax dollars from being used to fund abortion services

Bans the teaching of racial superiority or inferiority in our classrooms

Provides needed reforms and oversight over a Governor's Emergency powers

Phases out the Interest and Dividends tax

Supports Our Police and helps create safer communities

Creates Education Savings Accounts to increase school choice

No income tax, no sales tax, no capital gains tax

We are very proud of the budget that we helped to create and very thankful to our colleagues in the House for their hard work to reach this agreement!

Thank you,

NH Senate Republicans


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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 18, 2021, 05:50:18 PM


Over 7000 affidavits in Michigan claiming election fraud. People sign those things under penalty of perjury and each one can be used in a court of law.

https://justthenews.com/nation/states/over-7000-affidavits-delivered-michigan-lawmakers-claim-election-fraud


Receipt found in dumpster show Georgia County of 800,000 people ordering 25 million voter applications from Secretary of State. County refuses to comment. Sounds like we got to go to court over another issue.

https://creativedestructionmedia.com/investigations/2021/06/15/dekalb-county-ga-refuses-to-provide-information-on-open-records-request-regarding-receipt-for-25m-voter-registration-applications-ordered-for-county-of-800k/


100 million in Congress approved security assurances to Ukraine to buy lethal weapons frozen by Biden. If Trump did that, it would be an impeachable offense.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/18/white-house-ukraine-military-lethal-weapons-495169


Facebook and Twitter invited to Georgia court over election fraud.

https://creativedestructionmedia.com/news/politics/2021/06/18/attorneys-in-ga-election-fraud-case-subpoena-facebook-and-twitter-in-discovery/


More evidence FBI involved in stirring up trouble Jan 6th. It was discovered that 80% of the people who were to kidnap Democratic Michigan Gov were FBI and they were going to blame it on white supremacists. FBI still won't turn over Capitol security video footage of Jan 6th but he did admit to Congress that nobody has been charged with insurrection.

https://twitter.com/BrebDaily/status/1405473568096358413?s=19

https://beckernews.com/this-is-scary-stuff-texas-republican-turns-up-the-heat-on-the-fbi-over-january-6th-39784/

https://beckernews.com/2-watch-fbi-director-wray-gets-wrecked-by-congressman-grilling-him-over-january-6th-capitol-riots-39773/

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/03/caught-video-fbi-dhs-attempt-recruit-former-green-beret-infiltrate-spy-oath-keepers-proud-boys-recorded-conversation/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on June 18, 2021, 08:14:03 PM
Andrew, you're a fat useless piece of shit. If your country was in trouble, you can't be relied on to help. If your family was on a sinking ship and there was only one life preserver, you'd be the only survivor. Maybe I'll be more like you..... when it comes to name calling.

Civility goes a long way in keeping the forum enjoyable.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on June 18, 2021, 08:57:14 PM
Some Good News from the New Hampshire Republican Party:

Some good news from the State House today!

The House and Senate have reached an agreement to pass one of the most conservative, responsible budgets that our state has ever seen!

NH Senate Republicans

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Any of those guys running for president? Trump, Biden, and Hilary, my gosh!!! We can not have better choices?

Andrew, I am not sure what you wrote that Billy is up set over but based on his response I am sure it is something I completely agree with.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on June 19, 2021, 03:19:23 AM
Confederate, the article to which Billy linked is above, published on a template misinformation site called Georgia Star, part of a network of similarly named aites that cross post the same material.

I linked to a PDF report about the site. Worth a read.

Billy, notice how you are behaving exactly as I said you would? Kinda suggests that my other points are on the button as well.

This is an area of life in which I'd much prefer to be wrong. I didn't want to be proven correct.
But there you go and here we are!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 19, 2021, 03:19:19 PM
Billy, notice how you are behaving exactly as I said you would?


Lol. I got over 15,000 posts on forums like this and make one out of character post and you think you got me figured out. Insults aren't good but they get attention so you must like attention. If everybody were like you, this would be a very shitty forum in a very shitty world. Moral of the story, don't be an Andrew.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on June 20, 2021, 07:59:33 PM
Proof positive these election cases claiming election fraud are fake.

Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel has asked the court to sanction Powell, a Texas lawyer, along with Michigan attorneys Greg Rohl, Scott Hagerstrom and Stefanie Junttila, for pursuing a case that sought to overturn state election results based on lies.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-attorney-sidney-powell-summoned-to-sanctions-hearing-for-misleading-court/ar-AALf92Y?ocid=msedgntp
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on June 20, 2021, 09:15:05 PM
Proof positive these election cases claiming election fraud are fake.

Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel has asked the court to sanction Powell, a Texas lawyer, along with Michigan attorneys Greg Rohl, Scott Hagerstrom and Stefanie Junttila, for pursuing a case that sought to overturn state election results based on lies.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-attorney-sidney-powell-summoned-to-sanctions-hearing-for-misleading-court/ar-AALf92Y?ocid=msedgntp

To sanction an attorney is this case is extremely risky for the prosecuter. The suit has little to do with attempts to overturn the election results. Part of me doubts many judges unless proactive and very liberal will go down this path.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on June 21, 2021, 07:00:29 AM
Billy, no matter how many intemperate, ill-informed posts you have made in the past is absolutely irrelevant. The point was that I was able to accurately predict how you would behave in a specific case. I was not generalising, I was being specific. You behaved exactly as I predicted you would.

Of course, the prediction was based on your previous behaviour and the insights gained from your previous posts. That's about analysis and learning. Try them, you might find yourself less 'angry' and intemperate as you successfully beat back the demon that is your cognitive dissonance.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on June 21, 2021, 08:18:52 AM
Billy, no matter how many intemperate, ill-informed posts you have made in the past is absolutely irrelevant. The point was that I was able to accurately predict how you would behave in a specific case. I was not generalising, I was being specific. You behaved exactly as I predicted you would.

Of course, the prediction was based on your previous behaviour and the insights gained from your previous posts. That's about analysis and learning. Try them, you might find yourself less 'angry' and intemperate as you successfully beat back the demon that is your cognitive dissonance.

There are still a lot of us who expect you to be you...

More or less a pompous ass.  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on June 21, 2021, 09:47:31 AM
There goes another one suffering similar issues to poor Billykins. There are a lot of you unfortunates out there in the Land of the Free.

Can we expect something similarly intemperate from you shortly, confederate? Or perhaps you have gotten your self-control sorted again after your last little outburst?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on June 21, 2021, 10:06:27 AM
There goes another one suffering similar issues to poor Billykins. There are a lot of you unfortunates out there in the Land of the Free.

Can we expect something similarly intemperate from you shortly, contrarian? Or perhaps you have gotten your self-control sorted again after your last little outburst?

"Last little outburst" says the perpetual crank.  :Zzzzsleep:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on June 21, 2021, 10:38:13 AM

To sanction an attorney is this case is extremely risky for the prosecuter. The suit has little to do with attempts to overturn the election results. Part of me doubts many judges unless proactive and very liberal will go down this path.

Court date for SANCTION HEARING July 6 at 2 pm. Hopefully we will find out what happened shortly after that.

Judge Linda Parker ordered Powell and Michigan attorneys Greg Rohl, Scott Hagerstrom, and Stefanie Junttila to appear before a judge at 2 p.m. on July 6, according to the Detroit Free Press.  For "The scheme and artifice to defraud illegally and fraudulently manipulate the vote count.

https://news.yahoo.com/sidney-powell-facing-sanctions-hearing-204500357.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 21, 2021, 02:40:29 PM
Tex, they try to sanction and bar every major attorney fighting for election integrity. Our current government has reduced themselves to the same tyrants they criticize for going after political opponents. You seem to be enjoying the punishing of people who don't think like you. You might want to apply for a job escorting people you don't like into a gas chamber. That's is where we are headed.


In other news, now 20 States have visited the Arizona audit to see how it's done before starting up one in their state. The ball keeps rolling even though they target the leaders in the fight for election integrity. Soon, so many people will be fighting for election integrity they won't be able to stop us all.

https://twitter.com/AuditWarRoom/status/1406659892279222274?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on June 21, 2021, 08:47:31 PM

In other news, now 20 States have visited the Arizona audit to see how it's done before starting up one in their state. The ball keeps rolling even though they target the leaders in the fight for election integrity. Soon, so many people will be fighting for election integrity they won't be able to stop us all.

https://twitter.com/AuditWarRoom/status/1406659892279222274?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

The trouble is simple. They have brought up fake cases and presented testimony in court they new was fake. That is why they are getting sanctioned. Not looking for a job.

This has nothing to do with election integrity. It is a partisan game trying to over turn the election Trump lost. It is not going to happen. It does not matter how many republicans visit AZ it will not change anything.

Carlson Tucker claims he is not running for president in 2024. That is usually a sure sign he will. Maybe he is smarter than the average republican and figured out Trump will not be coming back?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 22, 2021, 08:03:54 PM

In other news, now 20 States have visited the Arizona audit to see how it's done before starting up one in their state. The ball keeps rolling even though they target the leaders in the fight for election integrity. Soon, so many people will be fighting for election integrity they won't be able to stop us all.

https://twitter.com/AuditWarRoom/status/1406659892279222274?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

The trouble is simple. They have brought up fake cases and presented testimony in court they new was fake. That is why they are getting sanctioned. Not looking for a job.

This has nothing to do with election integrity. It is a partisan game trying to over turn the election Trump lost. It is not going to happen. It does not matter how many republicans visit AZ it will not change anything.


Attorneys who are fighting against the fraud are threatened they won't be able to work again and those who say there's election fraud get silenced. Millions of people got banned on social media for saying there's election fraud and people are losing their jobs for blowing the whistle. You are okay with the very behavior you criticize authoritarian governments in other countries of doing because you say those who claim election fraud is playing a game to overturn an election.




Microsoft software hacking tool found on Dominion voting machines. Why would Microsoft sign a contract with a manufacture of voting machines to allow their hacking software on those machines?

https://freedomheadlines.com/freedom-wire/dominion-machines-secret-backdoor-discovered-in-michigan-this-could-change-everything/


Trump's voice on GPS? You might like it.

https://www.tiktok.com/@captaindeplorable/video/6974941971462802694?lang=en&is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1


Secretary of State is in trouble over the election fraud in Georgia so he's cleaning up over 100,000 names off the voter registration who are ineligible to vote. I wonder how many of that 100K voted in the election and why didn't he do it prior to the election.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/18/politics/georgia-voter-registration-file-removal/index.html


Biden tells Putin certain things should be off limits to hacks. Don't know why he didn't tell Putin everything in America should be off limits to hacks or there's a price to pay.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/biden-tells-putin-certain-cyber-attacks-should-be-off-limits-2021-06-16/


Hunter had his stripper girlfriend teach Obama's daughter basketball. Seems like Hunter can get anybody past security to get close to Obama's family.

https://nypost.com/2021/06/14/hunter-biden-baby-mama-was-basketball-mentor-to-daughter-sasha-obama/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 26, 2021, 03:55:04 PM

Wednesday I attended a patriot rally in Idaho. 5 hour drive for me but since all the major rallies are East, I had to go to this one. Scott McKay was the speaker and he gets more people at his rallies than Biden does at his. I seen at least 10 people open carry their guns at the event. Two guns in the two photos below. The event was scheduled to be at a mall parking lot but they cancelled last moment and had to hold the event at a church parking lot. There has been numerous attempts to stop this travelling patriot rally.

I sat next to a black gal in her mid to late 20's. I asked about her accent and why she's attending the event. She's from Cameroon Africa and when she was a little girl, she told her mom she's coming to America. Her mom laughed at the near impossible dream. She loves America and everything about it and she's currently an American citizen. She cried Jan 20th knowing bad politicians when she sees them since she's used to it back in Cameroon.

I'm impressed with her understanding of the situation. I know men twice her age and they are clueless about what is going on. I told her we are going to win and take this country back and she should be proud she is part of this Revolution that will take back our country. I told her it's important to keep educating people our government is hostile and have taken away our rights to vote and pick our leaders even though many may reject the fact.


Today the Deep Rig movie comes out and Trump has his rally. Massive people already at the event and still long lines of cars to get to it. I'll be watching in on the internet on Trump's new channel on Rumble below.

https://rumble.com/c/DonaldTrump

http://www.crowdcast.io/e/thedeeprig/register


Good news, the final part of Arizona's audit is complete. It was the part they evaluated the paper. The counting and machine forensic audits were complete weeks ago. They can now prepare a report.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/breaking-update-history-made-final-arizona-ballot-inspections-completed-huge-preliminary-report-expected-monday-true-number-ballot-totals-announced/


For the 5th time, Georgia judge rules citizens get to inspect the physical ballots. The Democrats been delaying the process in court with "WAIT!!! They can't see the ballots because (insert excuse).

http://t.me/KanekoaTheGreat/565


Giuliani suspended in NY from practicing law because they claim he lied when he said there was election fraud. Our government continues to go after political opponents as if they were running a 3rd world country.

http://www.yahoo.com/news/rudy-giuliani-suspended-from-practicing-law-in-ny-over-false-2020-election-claims-163226222.html


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on June 27, 2021, 05:46:26 AM
There goes another one suffering similar issues to poor Billykins. There are a lot of you unfortunates out there in the Land of the Free.

Can we expect something similarly intemperate from you shortly, contrarian? Or perhaps you have gotten your self-control sorted again after your last little outburst?

"Last little outburst" says the perpetual crank.  :Zzzzsleep:

Trying to keep yourself under control? Is that the best that your inadequate self-control can manage?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on June 27, 2021, 10:44:21 AM

Giuliani suspended in NY from practicing law because they claim he lied when he said there was election fraud. Our government continues to go after political opponents as if they were running a 3rd world country.

http://www.yahoo.com/news/rudy-giuliani-suspended-from-practicing-law-in-ny-over-false-2020-election-claims-163226222.html

Just a tid bit. Trump never paid Giuliani. Giuliani loses license over a client who stiffed him. That is so Donald Trump.

Mike Pence booed because he does not believe claims of election fraud and certified election results. Still believes that election fraud is fake.

Barr resigned over what he felt was fake claims of election fraud.  He has not seen anything to change his mind.

For though of you who think I am dumb for not believing the election was fake, I have some interesting company.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on June 27, 2021, 11:51:49 AM
McConnel does not believe in election fraud neither. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mcconnell-urged-barr-to-speak-out-on-trump-s-election-claims/ar-AALuUSr?ocid=msedgntp

But the Kentucky Republican had been telling Barr privately since mid-November that Trump's claims were damaging to the party and to the country.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 27, 2021, 01:23:40 PM
McConnel does not believe in election fraud neither. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mcconnell-urged-barr-to-speak-out-on-trump-s-election-claims/ar-AALuUSr?ocid=msedgntp

But the Kentucky Republican had been telling Barr privately since mid-November that Trump's claims were damaging to the party and to the country.

McConnell is part of the Deep State. Of course claims of election fraud are damaging to the Republican Party and that is because they were engaged in it. When States start reversing electoral votes, people are going to get arrested. Republicans who colluded will get arrested along with Democrats. They will continue to deny election fraud because they are facing prison time.

If our government were honest, they would make public announcements to open the sealed boxes full of ballots and get them counted so we all have peace of mind our elections are fair and transparent and the right people are in power. It is costing the Democrats tens of millions of dollars to hire hundreds of attorneys to stop audits happening. It's better and cheaper if we all join hands and count the ballots together.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on June 27, 2021, 02:06:29 PM




Trump decided to hold his first rally in the 17th State in the Union and he said he visited Washington D.C 17 times before becoming POTUS. The Anons are celebrating as Trump sends them yet another message he's still engaged to save the country like he does in every speech. 17th letter of the alphabet is 'Q'.

Trump got tens of thousands of people to show up at the rally if not more. In less than 20 hours 2.7 million people watched it on youtube and Rumble. Major fake news networks were there but I doubt they showed the speech live. Remember, Biden couldn't fill in 12 circles at a high school gymnasium.

http://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/21051


John McAfee was killed. Numerous times he said he would never commit suicide and his wife said they had a plan to get him out of prison. The Anons think he's still alive with Epstein and CIA director Gina Haspel who are both missing but can offer a lot of info on the Deep State. McAfee once said he gave out free laptops to politicians and recorded everything.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/suicide-didnt-whackd-john-mcafee-previously-hinted-us-officials-threatened-life/

http://t.me/disclosetv/3041

http://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1141757940673732611?s=21

http://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1316801215083225096?s=19

http://t.me/SteelTruthChannel/2081


Minutes after McAfee's death was reported, someone got into McAfee's Instagram account and posted "Q". Sound like a message to the Deep State. Instagram was asked to delete the post.

http://t.me/littllemel/5468

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/john-mcafee-instagram-qanon-death-b1871672.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on July 02, 2021, 10:53:24 AM
Trump has announced he is running for president IN 2024. I guess this means he is now admitting he will not going to be returning to office in August like Billy said.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on July 02, 2021, 12:48:33 PM
Billy, you're living in a fantasy world.
Apart from your fantasies about Trump, North Korea and Trump do you have any fun fantasies that keep you warm at night?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on July 07, 2021, 11:14:04 AM
Trump has announced he is running for president IN 2024. I guess this means he is now admitting he will not going to be returning to office in August like Billy said.

Billy will love this: Mike Lindell set August 13 as the date in his bonkers theory that Trump will be reinstated as president (https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-lindell-claims-august-13-trump-reinstatement-2021-7?r=US&IR=T)

This Mike bloke apparently has a pillow company in Minnesota.  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on July 07, 2021, 11:30:56 AM
Trump has announced he is running for president IN 2024. I guess this means he is now admitting he will not going to be returning to office in August like Billy said.

Billy will love this: Mike Lindell set August 13 as the date in his bonkers theory that Trump will be reinstated as president (https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-lindell-claims-august-13-trump-reinstatement-2021-7?r=US&IR=T)

This Mike bloke apparently has a pillow company in Minnesota.  :coffeeread:

Business Insider is fake news. Mike Lindell never claimed August 13th Trump will be reinstated as the headline says. It's an article written to imply Lindell is a crazy conspiracy theorist. When Aug 13th passes, they can point back at this article and say "See, we told you Lindell is a nut!" They are lying. Deep State is in panic. Why else would they spend so much time writing articles everyday attacking a guy who manufactures pillows? I said Trump is going to be president and I'm funding audits and they aren't spending any time attacking me. Lindell has the evidence that's got them scared.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on July 07, 2021, 12:44:38 PM

Business Insider is fake news.


Modus operandi for Trumpeteers:

If you don't agree: Deny, divert, and discredit
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on July 07, 2021, 01:01:18 PM

Business Insider is fake news.


Modus operandi for Trumpeteers:

If you don't agree: Deny, divert, and discredit

When you can't provide proof Lindell said Trump will be in office Aug 13th to back Business Insider's claims, make the above post.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on July 07, 2021, 01:14:14 PM
When you can't provide proof Lindell said Trump will be in office Aug 13th to back Business Insider's claims, make the above post.

No need to provide proof, watch the video yourself.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-mypillow-conspiracy-theory-b1879276.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on July 07, 2021, 01:22:25 PM
When you can't provide proof Lindell said Trump will be in office Aug 13th to back Business Insider's claims, make the above post.

No need to provide proof, watch the video yourself.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-mypillow-conspiracy-theory-b1879276.html

You say "No need to provide proof"? And then you provide a video that proves nothing of what Business Insider claimed. You're defending the lying media and you're wanting people here to embrace their claims. They have lied to you for years. They lie, they lie, they lie. When will you learn they lie to you? Get mad at them, not me.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on July 07, 2021, 01:53:58 PM
When you can't provide proof Lindell said Trump will be in office Aug 13th to back Business Insider's claims, make the above post.

No need to provide proof, watch the video yourself.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-mypillow-conspiracy-theory-b1879276.html

You say "No need to provide proof"? And then you provide a video that proves nothing of what Business Insider claimed. You're defending the lying media and you're wanting people here to embrace their claims. They have lied to you for years. They lie, they lie, they lie. When will you learn they lie to you? Get mad at them, not me.

Methinks you're wasting your time Billy. He isn't going to get mad at them, because he's one of them.

There have always been Benedict Arnolds in our midsts, and BC fits the mold.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on July 07, 2021, 02:01:58 PM
Long overdue. Trump is suing Twitter and Facebook.

https://twitter.com/FreeSpeechAmer/status/1412792613715972101
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on July 07, 2021, 03:43:13 PM
He isn't going to get mad at them, because he's one of them.


If he wants to promote propaganda media to brainwash people at the expense of his reputation, he must feel it's worth it. Propaganda media ratings are in the tank right now. People have figured them out. I was hoping BC would've figure them out by now too but you could be right, he's with them embracing and echoing the propaganda they put out.


Long overdue. Trump is suing Twitter and Facebook.

https://twitter.com/FreeSpeechAmer/status/1412792613715972101

It's a class action suit. Millions who were silenced and banned on big tech can join in.
 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on July 07, 2021, 04:44:42 PM
Highly doubt the class action will go far. IMO just another grievance leveraged for airtime and presence.

https://www.cnet.com/news/youtube-isnt-bound-by-first-amendment-court-rules/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: TomT on October 06, 2021, 10:36:40 PM
It's remarkable that one can be on hiatus for 3 1/2 years and everything is exactly the same... except for missing Anteros and exiled Moby, of course. 

What jumps at me the most though is the way that Billy still manages to be completely wrong, irrespective the subject. Calling election 2020 for Trump was blindingly foolish.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Wiz on October 07, 2021, 01:14:48 AM
It's remarkable that one can be on hiatus for 3 1/2 years and everything is exactly the same... except for missing Anteros and exiled Moby, of course. 

What jumps at me the most though is the way that Billy still manages to be completely wrong, irrespective the subject. Calling election 2020 for Trump was blindingly foolish.

Welcome back dancer.....

I hope all is Fine with you .... and life goes on ... did you know what they say......The "Guilty  always return to the crime place ..... LOL  :party0011:

 tiphat

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on October 07, 2021, 02:21:55 AM
It's remarkable that one can be on hiatus for 3 1/2 years and everything is exactly the same... except for missing Anteros and exiled Moby, of course. 

What jumps at me the most though is the way that Billy still manages to be completely wrong, irrespective the subject. Calling election 2020 for Trump was blindingly foolish.
Welcome back Tom
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on October 07, 2021, 05:07:00 AM
Highly doubt the class action will go far. IMO just another grievance leveraged for airtime and presence.

https://www.cnet.com/news/youtube-isnt-bound-by-first-amendment-court-rules/

While I agree about the case and the judgement, I think this is an example of laws being behind the times. The world has changed.

Another issue and, I am, of course, not a lawyer, but I have some relevant experience, that of censorship and free speech.

I have a website that contains hundreds of thousands of articles submitted by all and sundry. It has been moribund for years, I keep it up as a kind of expensive souvenir and CV entry. At one time it was a very high traffic and revenue site. It was impossible to monitor all content submissions and comments on the site - at least not in a financially sensible manner. Of course, we were not alone. There was a site called, IIRC Facebook that had a similar issue.

Our big problem was copyright infringement claims. But we were concerned about content that we felt shouldn't be on the site. Back then we felt 'protected' by section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, but there was a caveat. We could take advantage of those protections only as long as we were a distributor of content and not a publisher.

Hmm... a difference without a distinction some might say, and these days, it seems to have become so. But back then, it was quite simple. If we posted content without restriction (subject to some limits for such things as kiddie porn and copyright infringment) then we were a distributor and had no liability for what was published.

If we moderated and curated content then we were a publisher and had to take liability for everything on the site. We protected ourselves very strongly in respect of copyright with some fairly advanced tools we built for ourselves and never, ever, lost in a copyright claim or takedown notice. At the same time, there is plenty of stuff on the site with which I do not agree or find distasteful.

This system seemed to be reasonable to us at the time (still seems that way to me). But over the years, the large content aggregators such as YouTube, Facebook, Twitter -  basically all social media sites have rounded off the edges of the legislation, partly as a response to alterations to the basic legislation and partly to suit their own purposes.

The result now is that YouTube, for example, has changed from being an open forum for communication and dissemination of ideas and knowledge to a walled garden where content is removed (censored) in line with the ideals and beliefs of the management of the site. In essence, YouTube is now a publisher of content, not a distributor. Given the power of these sites within our culture, not just in the United States, I think this is a bad thing.

It is my opinion that sites such as YouTube should be bound by First Amendment rules. The management of these sites has stepped beyond those limits. But so too have businesses such as Amazon, through AWS, who now routinely deny infrastructure support to businesses or messages with which their management do not agree. Even worse, payment providers are doing the same thing.

What we have is censorship, a pervasive and chilling restriction upon not only what people can say or communicate in public, but even worse self-censorship by these individuals who want to use sites such as YouTube. In order to try to avoid issues with content distributors and infrastructure providers, content creators tend to be even more rigorous than their service providers in order to preempt any possible issues. Content creators must, in effect, try to guess what might offend their platform, infrastructure or payment providers.

In the Soviet Union, there was a system of samizdat, where people could share ideas and information outside of the established media. It was, of course, illegal but it was pretty effective. In the modern world, where is the analogue of samizdat for the Internet age?

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: TomT on October 07, 2021, 03:22:59 PM
Welcome back dancer.....

I hope all is Fine with you .... and life goes on ... did you know what they say......The "Guilty  always return to the crime place ..... LOL  :party0011:

 tiphat

I'm more of a master reprobater than a prodigal son but I'll settle for "bad penny" and we'll call it even.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on October 07, 2021, 03:36:35 PM
TT

Hope all is well

It is a breath of fresh air to have some one sensible posting and hopefully we will read more of your insights. Further quotes of the week have been sparse.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on October 07, 2021, 03:40:04 PM
Andrew,

private websites like youtube et al., like private newspapers and magazines currently are not declared as a public space, which would allow free speech.  Free speech can come in many forms i.e. even pornography.

Constitutional issues aside, If legislation pushes social websites to allow free speech, they would have to allow all forms.  Can't easily pick and choose. 

I just googled Donald Trump Porn, and it shows a number of little nasties on pornhub, so trying to limit to the political realm isn't that feasible either.  Heck, even found some vaccination porn LOLO. Is that a fetish nowadays?

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: TomT on October 07, 2021, 03:41:49 PM
Welcome back Tom

A lot of water has passed under the bridge since I enjoyed your hospitality. So much water, in fact, that it seems like a lifetime ago.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: TomT on October 07, 2021, 03:54:05 PM
TT

Hope all is well

It is a breath of fresh air to have some one sensible posting and hopefully we will read more of your insights. Further quotes of the week have been sparse.


That depends on the definition of "well."

With respect to quotes of the week, you shouldn't expect too much. I don't have nearly the amount of free time that I once did.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 23, 2021, 04:51:35 PM
Some interesting photos...

https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/trump-girls
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 23, 2021, 05:04:10 PM
Beautiful photos of First Lady Melania...

https://www.earnthenecklace.com/here-are-9-hot-photos-of-melania-trump-you-need-to-see/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on November 23, 2021, 11:34:53 PM
That Trump fellow, he's lived a life!
Managed to snag some fine DNA and flung a fair chunk of it, mixed up with his own, into the future.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 01, 2021, 12:36:30 PM
Trump book selling like hotcakes! Over 1 million dollars of sales within 24 hours.  :)

https://www.christianitydaily.com/articles/14052/20211125/donald-trumps-new-book-reaches-1-million-in-sales-during-first-24-hours-of-release.htm
Title: Re: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Valenki on December 02, 2021, 11:34:20 PM
Iran, the country of peace and love found a couple UK oil tankers
that they hijacked, kidnapped fell in love with and took
to Iran.

Iran announces capture of British oil tanker; US officials say two ships seized
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/19/middleeast/british-tanker-seized-iran-intl/index.html


Iran seizes two British oil tankers with dozens of
crew on board in the Gulf just 43 minutes apart in major escalation
days after clash with Royal Navy

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9544266/iran-british-oil-tanker-revolutionary-guard-royal-navy/
Play with fire and you get burned. Taunt your adversary and you'll get a bloody nose. Whoever navigated those ships are to blame.

EDIT: How in hell did I get this on the wrong thread?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 04, 2021, 01:00:11 PM
http://projectnovaeuropa.com/how-to-separate/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on December 05, 2021, 02:45:16 PM
Bob Dole died yesterday. I have many opinions about him and his brand of
politics but I will do that at a later date.

Bob Dole was a GOP presidential candidate 3 times. He was very seriously
injured in Italy fighting the Nazi's in WW2 as a second lieutenant in the
10th Mountain Division and he never regained much use in his right arm.
He carried a pen in that hand to keep people from grabbing his hand to shake it.

Bob Dole was 98








Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 05, 2021, 02:54:06 PM
Bob Dole died yesterday. I have many opinions about him and his brand of
politics but I will do that at a later date.

Bob Dole was a GOP presidential candidate 3 times. He was very seriously
injured in Italy fighting the Nazi's in WW2 as a second lieutenant in the
10th Mountain Division and he never regained much use in his right arm.
He carried a pen in that hand to keep people from grabbing his hand to shake it.

Bob Dole was 98

RIP Bob Dole
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 06, 2021, 04:54:03 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/republican-devin-nunes-to-quit-congress-and-head-trumps-social-media-platform/ar-AARxhxC
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 12, 2022, 05:28:10 PM
Trump to build shiny new Hotel on our southern border.

https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-announces-he-is-building-1954-mile-long-trump-hotel-along-mexican-border
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on January 12, 2022, 07:29:57 PM
LOL Trump shaking in his shoes now...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/democratic-operatives-say-hillary-clinton-is-best-option-for-party-to-win-2024-election
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 12, 2022, 07:39:41 PM
LOL Trump shaking in his shoes now...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/democratic-operatives-say-hillary-clinton-is-best-option-for-party-to-win-2024-election


They must be smoking crack. Then again dementia Joe allegedly won.  :smokin:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on January 13, 2022, 02:08:09 AM
LOL Trump shaking in his shoes now...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/democratic-operatives-say-hillary-clinton-is-best-option-for-party-to-win-2024-election
You mean the woman that lost the election to a buffoon and very rude man ?

And yes, Trump has many strenghts and I think history will judge him a good president later on , but he is a buffoon and very rude man with the political karma of a flea.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 13, 2022, 09:17:32 AM
LOL Trump shaking in his shoes now...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/democratic-operatives-say-hillary-clinton-is-best-option-for-party-to-win-2024-election
You mean the woman that lost the election to a buffoon and very rude man ?

And yes, Trump has many strenghts and I think history will judge him a good president later on , but he is a buffoon and very rude man with the political karma of a flea.

what is the political karma of a flea?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 13, 2022, 09:46:27 AM
LOL Trump shaking in his shoes now...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/democratic-operatives-say-hillary-clinton-is-best-option-for-party-to-win-2024-election
You mean the woman that lost the election to a buffoon and very rude man ?

And yes, Trump has many strenghts and I think history will judge him a good president later on , but he is a buffoon and very rude man with the political karma of a flea.

what is the political karma of a flea?

Usually we take clear tape and wrap the ticks and fleas up!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AJ on January 13, 2022, 12:07:24 PM
LOL Trump shaking in his shoes now...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/democratic-operatives-say-hillary-clinton-is-best-option-for-party-to-win-2024-election
You mean the woman that lost the election to a buffoon and very rude man ?

And yes, Trump has many strenghts and I think history will judge him a good president later on , but he is a buffoon and very rude man with the political karma of a flea.

Good synopsis
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on January 13, 2022, 02:28:35 PM
what is the political karma of a flea?

Something small that everyone and their mother tries to swat a.s.a.p.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 13, 2022, 03:00:56 PM
what is the political karma of a flea?

Something small that everyone and their mother tries to swat a.s.a.p.


That's what a flea is but how is that related to Trump? Okay never mind I got it.  :laugh:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on January 14, 2022, 04:19:48 AM
LOL Trump shaking in his shoes now...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/democratic-operatives-say-hillary-clinton-is-best-option-for-party-to-win-2024-election

Someone should dump a bucket of water on her, just in case (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n0wMeOdpg4&t=136s).  She's been (in)effectively running for president for 20 years, and remains profoundly unlikeable (https://news.gallup.com/poll/243242/snapshot-hillary-clinton-favorable-rating-low.aspx).  I'm not sure if it's the arrogance or the entitlement.  Probably both.

Speaking of arrogance, I'm sure if you ask L'Arrogance, John Kerry, then "John Kerry" is the best option for Dems.  :chuckle:

They just do not have a deep bench.  Dementia Joe is wildly unpopular, and his VP, is even less popular - 28% approval for her, putting her somewhere between Jeffrey Dahmer and the flu.

They seem to be peddling Buttigieg, who, as Sec Transportation was MIA during the supply chain crisis.

Gov Nipple Rings would have been a popular choice before he became the 3rd consecutive Dem Governor of NY to resign in disgrace. 

Crazy Uncle Bernie will be 83. 

Looking through the governorships of big, liberal states, Newsom is a candidate, but not one with mass appeal, the incumbent Gov of NJ *barely* eked out victor of 3.1% in a state that went for Biden by nearly 16%.  VA, MD and MA have GOP governors. 

Governor Whitmer has a positive approval rating, but in a recent poll, more people wanted a new governor than to re-elect her, 41.7% to 39.9%.  Not what you want to see as an incumbent. 

J.B Pritzker has the $ (the Pritzker family boasts 11 billionaires, including him, most of whom hate each other, evidently) but comes with some other negatives, such as only looking healthy if he's running against Chris Christie.

The GOP has Trump, who, while a malignant narcissist can point to the job he did prior to the Couffe taking over.  There's also Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, who is clearly on the Dems radar, given the outright lies that the Dems tell about him - when 60 Minutes did a shameful, malicious, lying hit piece on him, even Florida Dems defended him (https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/05/media/60-minutes-gov-ron-desantis-publix/index.html).

Pence will likely run, but I think the bloom is off the rose for him with the right wing, but we'll see.  Chris Christie will likely run again, but I think the dark horse may be former SecState and CIA Director Mike Pompeo.  He's a brilliant guy, and he has lost 90lbs (40.8 KG) in the last year, going from a biscuit under 300lbs to 210.  Nice work.  He should send his diet and workout regiment to Pritzker and Christie.

Oh, and Ted Cruz might run again, but nobody really likes him.

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 14, 2022, 04:32:32 AM
Personally I would like to see Senator Rand Paul, run for President. He is a top public speaker and has solid conservative credentials.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on January 14, 2022, 07:15:44 AM
Dementia Joe is wildly unpopular, and his VP, is even less popular - 28% approval for her, putting her somewhere between Jeffrey Dahmer and the flu.

In reality the VP is as popular as Jeffrey Dahmer and Jeffrey Epstein.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 16, 2022, 03:21:49 PM
President Trump just had a large rally in Arizona. My question is, if De Santis runs, will Trump also run?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2024-watch-trump-holds-first-rally-of-2022
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 16, 2022, 03:23:06 PM
Dementia Joe is wildly unpopular, and his VP, is even less popular - 28% approval for her, putting her somewhere between Jeffrey Dahmer and the flu.

In reality the VP is as popular as Jeffrey Dahmer and Jeffrey Epstein.


I think you can lump Biden in there as well. His approval rating is awful and there's no sign that he's capable of doing much about it.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on January 16, 2022, 03:30:45 PM
President Trump just had a large rally in Arizona. My question is, if De Santis runs, will Trump also run?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2024-watch-trump-holds-first-rally-of-2022

I think the questions is more will DeSantis run if Trump does?

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 17, 2022, 08:01:53 PM
President Trump just had a large rally in Arizona. My question is, if De Santis runs, will Trump also run?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2024-watch-trump-holds-first-rally-of-2022

I think the questions is more will DeSantis run if Trump does?

B/B


Excellent question and we'll have to wait a few weeks or months to find out.  :coffeeread:


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-potential-2024-showdown-with-desantis
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on January 18, 2022, 03:09:27 PM
Any GOP Candidate for the WIN - however...

My nuanced opinion - Trump is a bull in the China shop and gets in everybody's face "You're Fired" style - works for a CEO who controls 100% of his biz empire - Not so much with suburban white women soccer moms and white male college grads who will not vote for someone who reminds them of a mean hated boss they had to endure at some point in their lives.

That said Trump is not in prime shape due to 7 decades of US Fast Foods and Steaks. Fact is Trump will be 78 in 2024 and is not completely transparent about his health (Shades of Beijing Biden) - the upside is Trump has an ego large enough to do battle with the CCP Controlled media including Wall Street and Silicon Valley and Hollywood liberal socialist progressives power centers.  You do not have to be a perfect person to be a perfect patriot...  Trump is a Patriot willing to fight the Wuhan Bioweapons warfare CCP Murderers that Beijing Biden has been bought off by.

I have photos of me with Rand Paul when he ran for President in 2016 in first in the nation Primary State of New Hampshire - a fine brilliant man and fully prepared with 21 plus detailed position papers - unfortunately, this is too much information for the Leftist Media to twist the meaning of and not easily condensed into a laser-focused message why we should vote for him like we will Save America Again.

Ron DeSantis has a Bronze Star for service in the Sandboxes as a JAG Officer authorizing the use of deadly force against HVTs for elite special forces (US Navy Seals, Naval Aviation Air Strikes, etc.).   Ron has proven himself as a governor of one of the largest and most diverse states and his policies have pulled the state in a more conservative direction - a major plus since so many northern liberals seek refuge in safe conservative Florida.  This is a man willing to kick the Kommie Media elites in the Arse and provide an environment of Freedom that allows Floridas residents to thrive.  As a commissioned Naval Officer and special forces, JAG military lawyer he could easily corral CCP influenced Joint Chiefs of Staff to recall their oaths to protect and defend the US Constitution and Country and do their damn DUTY and not even think of selling out to the CCP.

If Trump could contain his ego for five minutes the best slate would be Trump President and DeSantis Vice President.

Trump now knows where all the Bear Traps, Tiger Traps, and Land Mines are and Tump/DeSantis would easily strike fear and panic in the CCP Swamp Monsters (Ref: Nicolo Machiavelli in The Prince - Is it better to be loved or feared!)

Trump would be wise to play good cop to DeSantis bad cop - this would give DeSantis 4 years of valuable experience to assume the reins of power for transition to POTUS when Trump wisely reties at 82 yo after his next term.   DeSantis would benefit greatly by serving as an America First Loyalist for 4 years and being the one Trump could pass the baton to - then DeSantis would be wise to Run for POTUS with DJ Trump Jr. as his second cementing the patriots' Trump legacy for the next generation of brilliant articulate Trump America First Patriot sons.

One can hope.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on January 18, 2022, 03:16:25 PM
LOL Trump shaking in his shoes now...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/democratic-operatives-say-hillary-clinton-is-best-option-for-party-to-win-2024-election

Someone should dump a bucket of water on her, just in case (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n0wMeOdpg4&t=136s).  She's been (in)effectively running for president for 20 years, and remains profoundly unlikeable (https://news.gallup.com/poll/243242/snapshot-hillary-clinton-favorable-rating-low.aspx).  I'm not sure if it's the arrogance or the entitlement.  Probably both.

Speaking of arrogance, I'm sure if you ask L'Arrogance, John Kerry, then "John Kerry" is the best option for Dems.  :chuckle:

They just do not have a deep bench.  Dementia Joe is wildly unpopular, and his VP, is even less popular - 28% approval for her, putting her somewhere between Jeffrey Dahmer and the flu.

They seem to be peddling Buttigieg, who, as Sec Transportation was MIA during the supply chain crisis.

Gov Nipple Rings would have been a popular choice before he became the 3rd consecutive Dem Governor of NY to resign in disgrace. 

Crazy Uncle Bernie will be 83. 

Looking through the governorships of big, liberal states, Newsom is a candidate, but not one with mass appeal, the incumbent Gov of NJ *barely* eked out victor of 3.1% in a state that went for Biden by nearly 16%.  VA, MD and MA have GOP governors. 

Governor Whitmer has a positive approval rating, but in a recent poll, more people wanted a new governor than to re-elect her, 41.7% to 39.9%.  Not what you want to see as an incumbent. 

J.B Pritzker has the $ (the Pritzker family boasts 11 billionaires, including him, most of whom hate each other, evidently) but comes with some other negatives, such as only looking healthy if he's running against Chris Christie.

The GOP has Trump, who, while a malignant narcissist can point to the job he did prior to the Couffe taking over.  There's also Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, who is clearly on the Dems radar, given the outright lies that the Dems tell about him - when 60 Minutes did a shameful, malicious, lying hit piece on him, even Florida Dems defended him (https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/05/media/60-minutes-gov-ron-desantis-publix/index.html).

Pence will likely run, but I think the bloom is off the rose for him with the right wing, but we'll see.  Chris Christie will likely run again, but I think the dark horse may be former SecState and CIA Director Mike Pompeo.  He's a brilliant guy, and he has lost 90lbs (40.8 KG) in the last year, going from a biscuit under 300lbs to 210.  Nice work.  He should send his diet and workout regiment to Pritzker and Christie.

Oh, and Ted Cruz might run again, but nobody really likes him.

B/B

BB = Bloody Brilliant  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: tiphat :smokin:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on January 19, 2022, 01:49:24 PM
T2B How are you and the Mrs and daughter doing coping with Covid?

We all caught Covid, and we have all recovered.

I caught it first and was teased that I was complaining of imaginary man flu type
joint pain. Four days later Angel Eyes suffered the same and I asked if she had
something worse than the imaginary man flu variety.

Mini Me usually runs around at 75 mph, but covid slowed him down to running
around at only 69 mph. 

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 19, 2022, 04:59:03 PM
T2B How are you and the Mrs and daughter doing coping with Covid?

We all caught Covid, and we have all recovered.

I caught it first and was teased that I was complaining of imaginary man flu type
joint pain. Four days later Angel Eyes suffered the same and I asked if she had
something worse than the imaginary man flu variety.

Mini Me usually runs around at 75 mph, but covid slowed him down to running
around at only 69 mph.


Glad to hear you all had it and apparently received without any problems; your immune systems are likely fully capable of repelling it from now on.

MiniMe sounds nearly indestructible.  :laugh:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 27, 2022, 04:29:19 PM


https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-won-t-budge-voting-204105603.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on January 28, 2022, 02:34:27 AM


https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-won-t-budge-voting-204105603.html

Aha, so the voting machines are flawed, and so much so that the judge apparently ordered this finding a secret and won't budge (yet) on that.

And they plan on using the same voting machines next election coming May. AAAAh wat a good idea.

Security through obscurity. Never a good idea because you don't know how many people still know this secret.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 28, 2022, 03:42:13 AM


https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-won-t-budge-voting-204105603.html

Aha, so the voting machines are flawed, and so much so that the judge apparently ordered this finding a secret and won't budge (yet) on that.

And they plan on using the same voting machines next election coming May. AAAAh wat a good idea.

Security through obscurity. Never a good idea because you don't know how many people still know this secret.


A very important election, the midterm elections, are in November. This November! Yet we have an obstructionist Judge who wants to keep it a secret, and an obstructionist media which wants to call election fraud a conspiracy theory! Unfriggenbelievable.  :sick0012:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on February 03, 2022, 10:35:09 AM
Trump to become speaker of the House?

Title: RIP P.J. O'Rourke
Post by: 2tallbill on February 15, 2022, 05:30:42 PM
RIP P.J. O'Rourke

P.J. O’Rourke was America’s greatest satirist and coolest conservative
https://nypost.com/2022/02/15/p-j-orourke-was-americas-greatest-satirist-and-coolest-conservative/



"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And
with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences."

P. J. O'Rourke
Title: Re: RIP P.J. O'Rourke
Post by: Contrarian on February 15, 2022, 06:47:43 PM
RIP P.J. O'Rourke

P.J. O’Rourke was America’s greatest satirist and coolest conservative
https://nypost.com/2022/02/15/p-j-orourke-was-americas-greatest-satirist-and-coolest-conservative/



"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And
with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences."

P. J. O'Rourke


Wow! I didn't know he passed, until reading this post just now.

It shouldn't be a secret that I liked him, after all one of his sayings is on my signature line.

RIP P.J.


Quote


"P.J. had bigger game to hunt. In 1991, just a year after his gift to me, he would become the most successful political satirist in America upon the publication of his book “Parliament of Whores.”

The book was and remains an utterly devastating portrait of the US Congress’ mediocrity, mendacity, self-dealing and uselessness — and revealed uncomfortable truths about the way Washington worked that the DC press corps refused to acknowledge or portray. There have been hundreds, thousands of imitations in the decades since. None has come close."
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on February 23, 2022, 07:53:12 PM
Racism was over until the marxist introduced CRT....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/marjorie-taylor-greene-we-ended-racism-but-now-it-is-back-with-crt/vi-AAUeflB
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 08, 2022, 01:33:40 PM
Funny but the Dem's and the MSM are ridiculing her but I like her logic on this one.  :laugh:


https://www.yahoo.com/news/rep-lauren-boebert-ridiculed-hot-083504616.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 08, 2022, 01:35:34 PM
I agree with Pence on this one and wonder, what in the world was Trump thinking?


https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/pence-hits-trump-no-room-in-gop-for-apologists-for-putin/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 08, 2022, 01:37:57 PM
Trump changes his mind on Putin. Seems to me that this is overdue. What in the World was he thinking?

Quote

"We will save the country from destruction of the fascist left, he said amid applause from the audience. The tycoon’s attack rains on a Biden that is plunging into the polls. According to the latest Washington Post-Abc News reports, only 37% of Americans promote it. The president has rejected the economic front, the pandemic and also the management of the crisis in Ukraine. Precisely the conflict with Russia is at the center of the Biden’s first State of the Union address which, in a departure from tradition, focuses more on foreign policy than on domestic policy."

https://www.italy24news.com/News/388742.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on June 21, 2022, 03:09:21 PM
Brilliant article the case for Trump 2024... on Thursday this week same writer drops his next article the case against Trump 2024... fair and balanced?  We will see...

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2022/06/20/the-case-for-donald-trump-2024-n2608957


###

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: dorbradavid on June 21, 2022, 06:55:35 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/judge-won-t-budge-voting-204105603.html

Aha, so the voting machines are flawed, and so much so that the judge apparently ordered this finding a secret and won't budge (yet) on that.

And they plan on using the same voting machines next election coming May. AAAAh wat a good idea.

Security through obscurity. Never a good idea because you don't know how many people still know this secret.


A very important election, the midterm elections, are in November. This November! Yet we have an obstructionist Judge who wants to keep it a secret, and an obstructionist media which wants to call election fraud a conspiracy theory! Unfriggenbelievable.  :sick0012:
[/quote]

Bear in mind the  news source is yahoo - not esp. credible.  :8)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: WestCoast on July 16, 2022, 12:53:12 PM
2 men who pepper-sprayed officers at the Capitol riot last year wept as a judge sentenced them to over 3 years in prison.

The Republicans that rioted at the Capitol have to be among the stupidest people in America. What did they think would happen when they broke through police lines into the buildings of Congress? Did they believe that the results of the election would magically be overturned?


https://ca.yahoo.com/news/2-men-pepper-sprayed-officers-135057105.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on July 17, 2022, 03:32:16 AM
If Trump would have behaved differently and admitted defeat and help with the transition, he would be a shoe in to get elected in 2024.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Jonas! on July 17, 2022, 08:45:20 AM
2 men who pepper-sprayed officers at the Capitol riot last year wept as a judge sentenced them to over 3 years in prison.

The Republicans that rioted at the Capitol have to be among the stupidest people in America. What did they think would happen when they broke through police lines into the buildings of Congress? Did they believe that the results of the election would magically be overturned?


https://ca.yahoo.com/news/2-men-pepper-sprayed-officers-135057105.html
Mislead numbskulls, and they are paying dearly for being such chuckleheads. 

If Trump would have behaved differently and admitted defeat and help with the transition, he would be a shoe in to get elected in 2024.

Despite everything, Trump still has a good chance, but yeah he handled defeat so badly it does hurt him going forward.  if it is Biden/Trump election in 2024, I think Trump takes it.  I'd hope we would have 2 different candidates though, and a good 3rd party candidate too.

Jonas!   
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on July 17, 2022, 08:45:01 PM
if it is Biden/Trump election in 2024, I think Trump takes it.  I'd hope we would have 2 different candidates though, and a good 3rd party candidate too.

Jonas!

I rarely agree with you politically, but I hope the GOP nominates someone else.
I like DeSantis. Likewise I hope the Dem's nominate someone else even though
Biden would be the easiest to defeat. I like Tulsi Gabbard but she has zero chances
to get elected as a Dem candidate. She matches most of you ideals except she
doesn't dislike America. She doesn't want foreign wars, she is still a liberal lefty
but is not cRaZy about converting children to trans, she thinks weaponizing the
justice department against political enemies is terrible etc.

I think Tulsi is someone you could support if she won, but she won't win in the
primaries and there won't be any democratic party primaries.

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Jonas! on July 18, 2022, 08:30:45 AM
if it is Biden/Trump election in 2024, I think Trump takes it.  I'd hope we would have 2 different candidates though, and a good 3rd party candidate too.

Jonas!

I rarely agree with you politically, but I hope the GOP nominates someone else.
I like DeSantis. Likewise I hope the Dem's nominate someone else even though
Biden would be the easiest to defeat. I like Tulsi Gabbard but she has zero chances
to get elected as a Dem candidate. She matches most of you ideals except she
doesn't dislike America. She doesn't want foreign wars, she is still a liberal lefty
but is not cRaZy about converting children to trans, she thinks weaponizing the
justice department against political enemies is terrible etc.

I think Tulsi is someone you could support if she won, but she won't win in the
primaries and there won't be any democratic party primaries.

Udachi!

Bill
It's too far off to know.   I don't believe Biden has dementia, he just isn't a good president.
  Unfortunately, whoever we bring in is going to be burdened with a worsening position overall for the US.  Debt, not so great work force, aging populace...yet high expectations from the entitled (And drugged up) populace.   It would take a charismatic leader, to usher in wholesale changes which I feel are necessary to remain a top tier country...without having to resort to threats and constant aggressive military action. 

Jonas!   
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on July 18, 2022, 09:39:35 AM
if it is Biden/Trump election in 2024, I think Trump takes it.  I'd hope we would have 2 different candidates though, and a good 3rd party candidate too.

Jonas!

I rarely agree with you politically, but I hope the GOP nominates someone else.
I like DeSantis. Likewise I hope the Dem's nominate someone else even though
Biden would be the easiest to defeat. I like Tulsi Gabbard but she has zero chances
to get elected as a Dem candidate. She matches most of you ideals except she
doesn't dislike America. She doesn't want foreign wars, she is still a liberal lefty
but is not cRaZy about converting children to trans, she thinks weaponizing the
justice department against political enemies is terrible etc.

I think Tulsi is someone you could support if she won, but she won't win in the
primaries and there won't be any democratic party primaries.

Udachi!

Bill


Well said Bill.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on August 09, 2022, 10:45:02 AM
As a Navy man I respect and admire DeSantis ... The Best ticket for 2024 is in fact Trump & DeSantis whereas Trump is expert at Deflecting Media Slings and Arrows and DeSantis is a JAG who can help dismantle the Administrative State and legally destroy the Woke Tranny nonsense in the DoD and Intel agencies.

We get 4 years of Trump and 8 more years of DeSantis to restore the USA and destroy our Marxist Globalist LGBTranny enemies.

God King Emporer Trump though an imperfect messenger is nevertheless a perfect patriot.  DJT has long said when someone hits you you come back with a bat or gun.

We 100 Million Patriots have been working hard and stocking up on 9MM, .357 Magnums, .45 and .308/NATO 7,62x51mm long range hunting rounds that can take Venison  for your meat locker at 500 yards/metres/paces and with study of windage/elevation ballistics can take a phooking Marxist CCP commies heart out of their evil chests at 1,000 y/m/p.

This is our new motivation and battle hymn... The Best is Yet to Come!

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/08/09/watch-the-thunder-rolls-donald-trump-releases-dramatic-political-video-after-fbi-raid-at-mar-a-lago/

To all Patriots Do Your Homework NOW to prepare for the battles ahead as our founders gave us the 2A for a reason
... to fight TYRANNY!

HOMEWORK:

Ryan M Cleckner
Long Range Shooting Handbook: The Complete Beginner's Guide to Precision Rifle Shooting

https://ryancleckner.com/long-range-shooting-handbook/


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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on August 09, 2022, 11:11:59 AM
Therefore DeSantis is an Excellent XO however no one can inspire true PATRIOTS like Trump.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 09, 2022, 01:56:15 PM
https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2022/08/09/report-magistrate-bruce-reinhart-represented-jeffrey-epstein-personnel-approved-fbi-raid-mar-a-lago/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 09, 2022, 02:30:30 PM
Citizens leaving CA, Illinois and NY are flocking to Florida for freedom from tyranny. Will De Santis announce for President soon?

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on August 09, 2022, 04:56:11 PM
I don't believe Biden has dementia
Jonas!

Majority of Americans think Biden lacks the ‘mental sharpness’ to be president, poll finds
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/biden-mentally-sharp-state-union-b2025207.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on August 09, 2022, 05:23:17 PM
Just after Trumps inauguration a dutch comedian made a video to appeal to him:


Funny stuff  :king:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: WestCoast on August 09, 2022, 05:24:26 PM
I don't believe Biden has dementia
Jonas!

Majority of Americans think Biden lacks the ‘mental sharpness’ to be president, poll finds
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/biden-mentally-sharp-state-union-b2025207.html

When Trump was in office the Dems and the MSM were all saying Trump needed to take an exam to prove his mental competence. Trump took the exam and passed.

Now with all the flubs Biden's had there's no talk from the Dems and MSM about Biden taking the same exam. The MSM won't one word about Biden's mental competence. The MSM really are an enemy of the people.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on August 09, 2022, 05:25:53 PM
66% of all voters - including 43% of Democrats - believe Biden should take and publicly release the results of a cognitive test and majority think he is not fit for office, new poll shows
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10524543/66-voters-43-Dems-believe-Biden-release-results-cognitive-test.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Jonas! on August 09, 2022, 06:11:21 PM
I don't believe Biden has dementia
Jonas!

Majority of Americans think Biden lacks the ‘mental sharpness’ to be president, poll finds
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/biden-mentally-sharp-state-union-b2025207.html
My full quote was "I don't believe biden has dementia, he just isn't a good president". 

He may wind up with dementia but for now he just isn't the person I'd choose to run the country.   3rd party has a real chance if we wind up with Trump/biden again.   

Jonas! 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on August 09, 2022, 06:40:27 PM
The electoral college is winner take all for a reason to prevent 3rd party fascists or kukoos from seizing control of the USA.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on August 09, 2022, 07:30:36 PM

Funny stuff  :king:

I Agree, Saturday night live did countless skits about Trump and none of them were
as funny as this.
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on August 09, 2022, 07:32:16 PM

My full quote was "I don't believe biden has dementia, he just isn't a good president". 

He may wind up with dementia but for now he just isn't the person I'd choose to run the country.   3rd party has a real chance if we wind up with Trump/biden again.   

Jonas!

I believe that's what you believe. You have been consistent about that all along.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on August 09, 2022, 10:42:44 PM

When Trump was in office the Dems and the MSM were all saying Trump needed to take an exam to prove his mental competence. Trump took the exam and passed.

Now with all the flubs Biden's had there's no talk from the Dems and MSM about Biden taking the same exam. The MSM won't one word about Biden's mental competence. The MSM really are an enemy of the people.

What happens if he fails. Then Mrs. Harris takes over. What happens if she fails the exam? Then Pelosi takes over.  Be careful what you wish for, you might get it.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 09, 2022, 11:20:07 PM
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on August 10, 2022, 11:32:54 AM
I have a $100 Bet with another veteran (Air Force Long-Haired Retired Hippy) that Beijing Joe and Jill Biden stunned by the extent of the November Patriots wave, stay in the White House through Christmas and New Year's Eve 2023 and realize they can and will be impeached for dozens of treasonous acts.  Old Joe pardons his son, brother, sisters, and wife and then announces for health reasons he is stepping down and Kamala becomes the first nit-wit India-Jamaica word-salad leftist female lawyer to become POTUS. 

The Patriots wait for all the new House and Senate GOP winners to be sworn in at which time there will be serious Criminal Investigations of the Commie Crats.  Kommie Kamala when POTUS before that mass of new GOP House and Senate Patriots,  pardons old Beijing Joe with a promise that he goes to Delaware and hides in his Basement of Beach House with his full pardons and Secret Service Protection and writes his tell-all memoirs about Obama the rump riding arse captain and Kamala gets a copy of Hunter Biden's CCP Black Book of Elite Capture payments contacts for her own use.

By now Kevin McCarthy is sworn in as the new GOP Speaker of the House 3rd in line to the POTUS and institutes IMPEACHMENT procedures against Kommie Kamala for the dozens of treasons she participated in with Old Joe and his Crime Family.

Kamala is then Impeached in the House Convicted in the US Senate and removed from office - moves to Shanghai with Hunter's Rolodex and Kevin McCarthy becomes the 47th POTUS of the USA appointing Trump VP to consolidate the Patriot's support while making the GOP Establishment quite Happy with a parliamentary type power bloc coalition.   After a year McCarthy resigns and Trump becomes POTUS for the rest of the term.  Perhaps he appoints McCarthy as VP who then works to consolidate support among patriots by working hard to save America.  After 4 years Trump retires at 81yo and DeSantis runs as VP with McCarthy's second term and then DeSantis the FLA Gov runs for two terms (8 Years) as POTUS 48 giving Patriots 16 Years to Save the USA and sending off the Marxist Socialist Woke Burn Loot Murder Tranny-Crats to the new American Gulags.


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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 10, 2022, 05:34:14 PM
Nancy Pelosi is more dangerous to the USA than China is.

https://www.revolver.news/2022/08/nancy-pelosi-a-bigger-danger-to-america-than-china/
Title: President Trump II LOL
Post by: Lon on August 10, 2022, 05:49:21 PM
I have a $100 Bet with another veteran (Air Force Long-Haired Retired Hippy) that Beijing Joe and Jill Biden stunned by the extent of the November Patriots wave, stay in the White House through Christmas and New Year's Eve 2023 and realize they can and will be impeached for dozens of treasonous acts.  Old Joe pardons his son, brother, sisters, and wife and then announces for health reasons he is stepping down and Kamala becomes the first nit-wit India-Jamaica word-salad leftist female lawyer to become POTUS. 

The Patriots wait for all the new House and Senate GOP winners to be sworn in at which time there will be serious Criminal Investigations of the Commie Crats.  Kommie Kamala when POTUS before that mass of new GOP House and Senate Patriots,  pardons old Beijing Joe with a promise that he goes to Delaware and hides in his Basement of Beach House with his full pardons and Secret Service Protection and writes his tell-all memoirs about Obama the rump riding arse captain and Kamala gets a copy of Hunter Biden's CCP Black Book of Elite Capture payments contacts for her own use.

By now Kevin McCarthy is sworn in as the new GOP Speaker of the House 3rd in line to the POTUS and institutes IMPEACHMENT procedures against Kommie Kamala for the dozens of treasons she participated in with Old Joe and his Crime Family.

Kamala is then Impeached in the House Convicted in the US Senate and removed from office - moves to Shanghai with Hunter's Rolodex and Kevin McCarthy becomes the 47th POTUS of the USA appointing Trump VP to consolidate the Patriot's support while making the GOP Establishment quite Happy with a parliamentary type power bloc coalition.   After a year McCarthy resigns and Trump becomes POTUS for the rest of the term.  Perhaps he appoints McCarthy as VP who then works to consolidate support among patriots by working hard to save America.  After 4 years Trump retires at 81yo and DeSantis runs as VP with McCarthy's second term and then DeSantis the FLA Gov runs for two terms (8 Years) as POTUS 48 giving Patriots 16 Years to Save the USA and sending off the Marxist Socialist Woke Burn Loot Murder Tranny-Crats to the new American Gulags.

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I like it.  maybe we can throw in some of the Trump brood into the mix also   :)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on August 10, 2022, 08:03:23 PM
Don Jr. runs as VP with DeSatis and gives us another 8 years when he runs for POTUS after DeSantis 8Years and all is Right in the world. :smokin:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 10, 2022, 11:58:25 PM
Nancy Pelosi is more dangerous to the USA than China is.

https://www.revolver.news/2022/08/nancy-pelosi-a-bigger-danger-to-america-than-china/

Quote from link above:

"So how does the GAE (Globalist American Empire) respond to this? Does it call for a moratorium on Chinese immigration, bar dual nationals from security jobs, and monitor the Chinese community for potential links to the CCP? Absolutely not. It calls all those ideas racist. In fact, the Department of Justice recently ended one of its programs to look out for potential Chinese spies because it was deemed “anti-Asian.” The intelligence community is ordered to hire Chinese Americans despite their greater risk. The GAE isn’t serious at all about countering ChiCom subversion.

The same story plays out with the economic ties between China and America. The political establishment is universally hostile to the idea of placing tariffs on Chinese goods and other measures to stifle the communist state’s economic prosperity. Donald Trump effectively wielded the tariff threat to force the ChiComs to make concessions. Democrats and establishment Republicans complained about Trump’s threats, even though they produced actual results. The GAE wants to continue helping helping China grow into an economic powerhouse without any hurdles."
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 11, 2022, 01:55:37 AM
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 11, 2022, 01:58:21 AM
The FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago is an attack on the Constitution and the rule of law. Interview of Rand Paul.

Title: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 12, 2022, 01:47:12 AM
Former Florida Attorney General Bondi on the illegal immoral Banana Republic stunt by Obama/Biden/Garland.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on August 12, 2022, 01:53:42 AM
President Trump responds.

Title: Jordan Peterson's opinion of President Trump
Post by: WestCoast on August 28, 2022, 09:21:33 PM
Jordan Peterson's view of Donald Trump

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bHSNsUTBUrM
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: WestCoast on November 09, 2022, 03:58:52 PM
Former U.S. President Donald Trump on Wednesday lost a bid to delay the appointment of a watchdog at his real estate company, which is facing a civil fraud lawsuit by the New York state attorney general.

The Appellate Division, a mid-level state appeals court, rejected Trump's request for a stay of Manhattan-based Justice Arthur Engoron's Nov. 3 order requiring an independent monitor for the Trump Organization.

Trump's going to have a court appointed watchdog overseeing everything at his real estate company. There is also the matter of Letitia James, the New York attorney general's years long investigation into Trump's businesses. Who knows when that will end and what charges will result.

Trump's red wave never appeared and now many in the GOP are blaming Trump for the fizzle of the red wave.

It will also be interesting to discover if the overturning of Roe vs Wade had anything to do with the fizzle of the red wave? The media is bound to be investigating why the rumored red wave did not materialize. Was it because of Roe vs Wade? Was it because of Trump? Or was it something else entirely?

Is Trump done for in 2024? Will Ron DeSantis be the 2024 GOP nominee?


https://ca.yahoo.com/news/trump-cannot-delay-watchdog-company-215012671.html
https://ca.yahoo.com/news/shocked-republicans-lay-blame-trump-075031686.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on November 09, 2022, 04:26:28 PM
Based on listening to his speech here,
I'd vote for this guy (republican):

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on November 09, 2022, 08:40:11 PM
It will also be interesting to discover if the overturning of Roe vs Wade had anything to do with the fizzle of the red wave? The media is bound to be investigating why the rumored red wave did not materialize. Was it because of Roe vs Wade? Was it because of Trump? Or was it something else entirely?

Is Trump done for in 2024? Will Ron DeSantis be the 2024 GOP nominee?

Roe was important to some but there was plenty of polling
showing it wasn't the top concern in most voters minds.

Trump campaigned for some candidates but him being involved 
can't explain why the GOP wave didn't really take off.

Only Trump can decide what his future holds. Since it's illegal to send mean tweets about the left every lefty prosecutor is going after him.

The Dems's are already whining about potential GOP
investigations of the Biden crime family. The hypocrisy
of the left has NO Bounds, no shame and no limits.

CNN is floating the idea that the GOP candidate quality was
bad. Hhahahahaha......... They trotted out John Fetterman
who couldn't talk.

If I had my way, Trump wouldn't run again. I would happily
support DeSantis instead.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 09, 2022, 09:06:21 PM
CNN is floating the idea that the GOP candidate quality was
bad. Hhahahahaha......... They trotted out John Fetterman
who couldn't talk.


Media is already putting out the idea Fetterman could be the next president and they are right if they are allowed to continue to cheat in elections. It is possible for brain dead people to win the highest office in the country.

https://t.me/joeoltmann/5326


For those who don't know who Fetterman is, He's was the Lt. Governor of Pennsylvania and just won the election for Governor. He had a stroke 6 months ago which affects his brain to perform even worse than before. Here's a small sample video of him talking.

https://t.me/KAGDrogo/4427
Title: President Trump II frothing
Post by: Lon on November 09, 2022, 09:12:01 PM
If I had my way, Trump wouldn't run again. I would happily
support DeSantis instead.

but just think how frothing at the mouth all the liberals will be  :GRRRR:   wouldn't you like to see that?  I would   :chuckle:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on November 09, 2022, 09:25:30 PM
The democrats want Trump to run again because he is guaranteed to lose.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on November 11, 2022, 01:49:31 AM

What happens if he fails. Then Mrs. Harris takes over. What happens if she fails the exam? Then Pelosi takes over.  Be careful what you wish for, you might get it.

Nobody has suggested that Kamala Harris has mental problems
she would never be asked to take an exam.
Pelosi won't be elected Speaker with a GOP majority in the house.

Title: Re: President Trump II frothing
Post by: 2tallbill on November 11, 2022, 01:51:06 AM
If I had my way, Trump wouldn't run again. I would happily
support DeSantis instead.

but just think how frothing at the mouth all the liberals will be  :GRRRR:   wouldn't you like to see that?  I would   :chuckle:

Not really, it got old really fast last time.

Title: President Trump II short attention span
Post by: Lon on November 11, 2022, 01:56:29 PM
If I had my way, Trump wouldn't run again. I would happily
support DeSantis instead.

but just think how frothing at the mouth all the liberals will be  :GRRRR:   wouldn't you like to see that?  I would   :chuckle:

Not really, it got old really fast last time.

but you have such a short attention span   :)
for me, it was fun watching all the libs on social media crying, screaming and carrying on over the evil/fascist/racist president did/was doing.
but I suppose you are right, watching the lying manipulative media/politicians go on and on was very tiresome.
Title: Re: President Trump II frothing
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2022, 02:02:55 PM
If I had my way, Trump wouldn't run again. I would happily
support DeSantis instead.

but just think how frothing at the mouth all the liberals will be  :GRRRR:   wouldn't you like to see that?  I would   :chuckle:

Not really, it got old really fast last time.


I liked Trump enough but agree and hope he doesn't declare.

I also would rather vote for DeSantis. Time will tell.  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: WestCoast on November 11, 2022, 07:54:11 PM
Why is Trump continuing to avoid testifying or giving documents such as tax records or other documentation to the Jan. 6 committee?

The answer is simple if the GOP take the majority in the House in 2022 it is very likely the Jan. 6 committee will be dissolved.

Maybe if the Dems win back the House in 2024 the Jan. 6 committee or some version of it will be restarted but if the GOP win in 2022 the committee will be gone. Good enough reason for Trump to stall and hope the committee is ended by a GOP victory.

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/trump-files-lawsuit-avoid-jan-013036562.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Select_Committee_on_the_January_6_Attack
Title: Re: President Trump II frothing
Post by: BillyB on November 11, 2022, 08:58:18 PM
I also would rather vote for DeSantis. Time will tell.  :coffeeread:


The Lincoln Project which is operated by RINOS and funded by Democrats just endorsed Ron DeSantis. Time will tell if DeSantis moves away from the values that got him elected the first time in 2020. Until I hear DeSantis saying all of America's elections need to be cleaned up, he won't be good for America. Anybody that stays silent on election fraud probably does so because they will benefit from it in exchange for their silence. But for now, Ron DeSantis done a good job cleaning up Florida's elections.

https://t.me/theprofessorsrecord/9624


Why is Trump continuing to avoid testifying or giving documents such as tax records or other documentation to the Jan. 6 committee?


What does tax records have to do with a protest? They've been going after Trump's tax records for over 6 years. The thing is they've already seen Trump's personal and business tax records because they own the IRS. Trump has over 500 business interests. He's probably one of the most audited people in the world. After decades of being in business, they can't find anything bad on him.

The reason they're going after Trump's tax records is not because he did something illegal, they want to go after everybody that done business with him in their Cancel Culture agenda.


Title: Re: President Trump II frothing
Post by: WestCoast on November 11, 2022, 09:55:27 PM
Why is Trump continuing to avoid testifying or giving documents such as tax records or other documentation to the Jan. 6 committee?


What does tax records have to do with a protest? They've been going after Trump's tax records for over 6 years. The thing is they've already seen Trump's personal and business tax records because they own the IRS. Trump has over 500 business interests. He's probably one of the most audited people in the world. After decades of being in business, they can't find anything bad on him.

The reason they're going after Trump's tax records is not because he did something illegal, they want to go after everybody that done business with him in their Cancel Culture agenda.

Because if the committee can get one of Trump's accountants or lawyers to admit something was done wrong, omitted or something else then the committee can get another look at some records and maybe redo an audit.

If the GOP controls the House the committee is probably ended.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 11, 2022, 10:27:31 PM
I also would rather vote for DeSantis. Time will tell.  :coffeeread:


The Lincoln Project which is operated by RINOS and funded by Democrats just endorsed Ron DeSantis. Time will tell if DeSantis moves away from the values that got him elected the first time in 2020.


DeSantis was first elected to be Governor of Florida in 2018 and started office in 2019.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on November 12, 2022, 10:49:24 AM
Why is Trump continuing to avoid testifying or giving documents such as tax records or other documentation to the Jan. 6 committee?

When you don't actively help the prosecution incriminate
yourself. The Lefties call that obstruction of justice. They
are free to raid the offices, files and computers of your
defense council, then use what they find to threaten
them to produce incriminating evidence. Failure to do
so is obviously obstruction of justice.

However with the left, any witness with a law degree can 
can be assigned as your defense council and they can't be
questioned or interviewed or produce any evidence against
you.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 12, 2022, 11:02:56 AM
I also would rather vote for DeSantis. Time will tell.  :coffeeread:


The Lincoln Project which is operated by RINOS and funded by Democrats just endorsed Ron DeSantis. Time will tell if DeSantis moves away from the values that got him elected the first time in 2020.


DeSantis was first elected to be Governor of Florida in 2018 and started office in 2019.

You are correct Contrarian. I'm still stuck on 2020
Title: Dementia Boy
Post by: 2tallbill on November 12, 2022, 11:18:10 AM

The Lincoln Project which is operated by RINOS and funded by Democrats just endorsed Ron DeSantis. Time will tell if DeSantis moves away from the values that got him elected the first time in 2020. Until I hear DeSantis saying all of America's elections need to be cleaned up, he won't be good for America. Anybody that stays silent on election fraud probably does so because they will benefit from it in exchange for their silence. But for now, Ron DeSantis done a good job cleaning up Florida's elections.

The Lincoln project has always been Dem's. They are FAKE
Rino's their sole purpose being to sew discord among GOP
voters. They were never Republicans. You bought into the
Lefty media fake news narrative about them.

Kelly Anne Conway's husband is and always has been a leftist.
Title: Re: Dementia Boy
Post by: BillyB on November 12, 2022, 11:51:49 AM

The Lincoln Project which is operated by RINOS and funded by Democrats just endorsed Ron DeSantis. Time will tell if DeSantis moves away from the values that got him elected the first time in 2020. Until I hear DeSantis saying all of America's elections need to be cleaned up, he won't be good for America. Anybody that stays silent on election fraud probably does so because they will benefit from it in exchange for their silence. But for now, Ron DeSantis done a good job cleaning up Florida's elections.

The Lincoln project has always been Dem's. They are FAKE
Rino's their sole purpose being to sew discord among GOP
voters. They were never Republicans. You bought into the
Lefty media fake news narrative about them.

Kelly Anne Conway's husband is and always has been a leftist.

George Conway worked for a high level US appeals court judge appointed by conservatives. As an attorney he sued people like Bill Clinton. He is a conservative in many ways. Trump even considered him for a job. He's not a leftist. He is a RINO and one of the guys in charge of the Lincoln Project funded by the Democrats. Taking this job does not define his entire career and beliefs. But he's allowed himself to be used by the left to manipulate people on the right's minds. There's no doubt in my mind they are trying to get Ron DeSantis into their orbit too. The Lincoln Project, the GOP, the Democratic party and MSM all say DeSantis is a superstar when we all know they are against election integrity and they should be hating on DeSantis for how he cleaned up Florida.
Title: Re: Dementia Boy
Post by: 2tallbill on November 12, 2022, 12:58:42 PM

The Lincoln project has always been Dem's. They are FAKE
Rino's their sole purpose being to sew discord among GOP
voters. They were never Republicans. You bought into the
Lefty media fake news narrative about them.

He is a conservative in many ways.

If so, you could name some examples of his conservative comments.
He has NONE that I could find. He's a Faker not a Rino.

Title: Re: Dementia Boy
Post by: BillyB on November 12, 2022, 04:40:35 PM

The Lincoln project has always been Dem's. They are FAKE
Rino's their sole purpose being to sew discord among GOP
voters. They were never Republicans. You bought into the
Lefty media fake news narrative about them.

He is a conservative in many ways.

If so, you could name some examples of his conservative comments.
He has NONE that I could find. He's a Faker not a Rino.

Like myself, George Conway doesn't attract the media enough so they put microphones in front of our faces every time we speak. They have written articles that he was part of teams of conservatives that went after Clinton and fought in court for conservatives. Here's a 1999 article that talks about his role in going after Clinton to get him impeached. Action is more important than words. Today, Conway gets lots of attention from the media by working for the Lincoln Project. Media likes to quote him and have him speak on news programs. Maybe he likes the attention and the money the Democrats are paying him. But what is certain, everybody is a target by the left and if they can flip Conway, they will go after Ron DeSantis. DeSantis isn't blind to the amount of positive media attention he's getting now. Question is, will he want more or will he continue to clean up corruption in his state and the nation? If he chooses the later, he will not get positive media attention.

https://www.newsweek.com/right-wing-web-168906
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: WestCoast on November 13, 2022, 06:04:55 PM
Here's a horrifying thought. Donald Trump as Speaker of the House. It appears that the GOP might take the House. Normally this would mean House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) would be voted in as House Speaker.

Apparently some GOP members have discussed voting for Trump as Speaker. The Speaker of the House does not have to be a member of Congress.

Imagine Trump as Speaker of the House and having him run for president in 2024?

https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/3733257-raskin-suggests-some-far-right-house-members-could-vote-trump-for-speaker/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: WestCoast on November 15, 2022, 09:45:44 PM
Former President Donald Trump announced Tuesday that he would again seek the Republican nomination for president in 2024.

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/trump-announces-3rd-presidential-run-despite-mounting-headwinds-022254364.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on November 15, 2022, 11:59:29 PM
Here's a horrifying thought. Donald Trump as Speaker of the House. It appears that the GOP might take the House.

I put this in the pipe dream category.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on November 16, 2022, 12:23:30 PM
I put this in the pipe dream category.

Agreed. He will have to settle for President in January 2025
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 27, 2022, 10:12:49 AM
https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/3751634-hutchinson-calls-trump-meeting-with-nick-fuentes-very-troubling/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BillyB on November 27, 2022, 11:07:05 AM
https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/3751634-hutchinson-calls-trump-meeting-with-nick-fuentes-very-troubling/

I don't know who Nick Fuentes is but according to the had dinner with Trump and a black man. I googled is name. The DOJ labels Nick a white nationalist and MSM says he's racist. This is the same DOJ that witch hunts Trump and his supporters and raids their homes. It's the same MSM that writes articles that those people are guilty and they deserve the police state style harassment.
Title: President Trump II
Post by: Lon on November 28, 2022, 01:38:56 PM
short vid...president Trump's campaign promises

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tpfNVk07vtk

how hard would it be to vote for that?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 09, 2022, 11:19:01 AM
Thank you Ann Coulter, now I understand why Trump had dinner with Nick Fuentes. It was a publicity stunt!  :laugh:

https://www.northwestgeorgianews.com/catoosa_walker_news/opinion/columns/ann-coulter-donald-trump-is-nick-fuentes/article_3f5c89de-7182-11ed-97ce-fbfcbbf6920a.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on December 11, 2022, 03:44:26 PM
I just finished watching this documentary about the last nine months leading to the total withdrawal of the US and it’s coalition from Afghanistan. It chronicled events, mostly from the Afghan force, notably it’s young general, and their perspective of the Taliban’s take over and the fall of Kabut.

Riveting.


I didn’t realize the US gave a standing order to destroy unused ammunition instead of handing them over to the afghan force.  :censored:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 12, 2022, 02:57:14 PM
I just finished watching this documentary about the last nine months leading to the total withdrawal of the US and it’s coalition from Afghanistan. It chronicled events, mostly from the Afghan force, notably it’s young general, and their perspective of the Taliban’s take over and the fall of Kabut.

Riveting.


I didn’t realize the US gave a standing order to destroy unused ammunition instead of handing them over to the afghan force.  :censored:


Thanks for the heads up, but apparently what you posted here is just some sort of review? I will look for the actual movie, unless you know how to find it.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on December 12, 2022, 05:15:22 PM
It aired December 8th at Nat Geo TV (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/tv/shows/retrograde). I actually caught it two days later (I run Amazon's Firestick) when I browsed through looking for something interesting to watch. If you subscribe to Nat Geo TV, they may have it streaming right now.

It is scheduled to stream on Disney+. Exactly when, I do not know.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 12, 2022, 07:53:24 PM
It aired December 8th at Nat Geo TV (https://www.nationalgeographic.com/tv/shows/retrograde). I actually caught it two days later (I run Amazon's Firestick) when I browsed through looking for something interesting to watch. If you subscribe to Nat Geo TV, they may have it streaming right now.

It is scheduled to stream on Disney+. Exactly when, I do not know.

Thank you.
Title: President Trump Did Not Violate Twitter Rules
Post by: Contrarian on December 12, 2022, 08:33:32 PM
So it turns out that Trump was correct, he did not violate Twitter rules but he was hounded off of the site by woke creeps hell-bent on their agenda.


https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/twitter-files-donald-trump-censorship/2022/12/12/id/1100191/
Title: Re: President Trump Did Not Violate Twitter Rules
Post by: Contrarian on December 12, 2022, 08:46:30 PM
So it turns out that Trump was correct, he did not violate Twitter rules but he was hounded off of the site by woke creeps hell-bent on their agenda.


https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/twitter-files-donald-trump-censorship/2022/12/12/id/1100191/


Twitter is both a social media company and a crime scene! Elon Musk.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/elon-musk-twitter-files/2022/12/10/id/1099985/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 14, 2022, 09:21:43 PM
Where's Tex been lately? I hope he didn't kick the bucket after getting a booster, I would miss his looney commentary. Speaking of which, Tex likes to call Trump supporters "Nazis". Well here is a reporter who is calling the Democrats "Nazis". Enjoy.  :chuckle:


https://www.unz.com/proberts/trumps-response-to-the-nazi-democrats/?highlight=January+6+and+FBI

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 14, 2022, 11:43:22 PM
Where's Tex been lately? I hope he didn't kick the bucket after getting a booster, I would miss his looney commentary. Speaking of which, Tex likes to call Trump supporters "Nazis". Well here is a reporter who is calling the Democrats "Nazis". Enjoy.  :chuckle:


https://www.unz.com/proberts/trumps-response-to-the-nazi-democrats/?highlight=January+6+and+FBI

Gotta LOVE President Trumps response to the January 6 committee, he comes out swinging with both fists!  :laugh:

Quote

Dear Chairman Thompson,

THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION OF 2020 WAS RIGGED AND STOLEN!

The same group of Radical Left Democrats who utilized their Majority position in Congress to create the fiction of Russia, Russia, Russia, Impeachment Hoax #1, Impeachment Hoax #2, the $48 Million Mueller Report (which ended in No Collusion!), Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, the atrocious and illegal Spying on my Campaign, and so much more, are the people who created this Committee of highly partisan political Hacks and Thugs whose sole function is to destroy the lives of many hard-working American Patriots, whose records in life have been unblemished until this point of attempted ruination. The double standard of the Unselects between what has taken place on the “RIGHT,” and what has taken place with Radical Left, lawless groups such as Antifa, Black Lives Matter, and others, is startling and will never be acceptable, even to those who will be writing the history of what you have done to America. This memo is being written to express our anger, disappointment, and complaint that with all of the hundreds of millions of dollars spent on what many consider to be a Charade and Witch Hunt, and despite strong and powerful requests, you have not spent even a short moment on examining the massive Election Fraud that took place during the 2020 Presidential Election, and have targeted only those who were, as concerned American Citizens, protesting the Fraud itself. Those who committed the Fraud, thereby having created the Crime of the Century.....

                             

Speaking of the STOLEN election in 2020, this is just a portion of the fraud which occurred in Arizona in 2020 (and has now occurred again).


 Arizona
• Maricopa County accepted at least 20,000 mail-in ballots after ElectionDay 2020, including 18,000 on November 4, 2020, picked up from the U.S. Postal Service—more than the entire Election margin of 10,457 ballots.
• A study of early ballot envelope signatures identified 229,430mismatched signatures in Maricopa County. Officials only reported 25,000 mismatches, or 1.3%.
• The Arizona Forensic Audit of Maricopa County identified numerous anomalies, fraud, and Election law violations that are determinative, including 17,322 duplicate absentee ballot envelopes, which surged after  the Election. Between November 4th and November 9th, scores of mail-in ballot duplicates emerged. 96% of the ballots that came in on two of these days were duplicates
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 15, 2022, 10:14:34 AM
The average where I live is $4 a gallon. It's probably an average price of $5 a gallon or higher in California.

All people with a bit of common sense know that the price of gas was much less when Trump was President AND it would still be much less if the election hadn't been stolen from Trump and the American people.

I doubt that, and you do mean the election was declared stolen from 'some' American people.  Didn't steal anything from me, even when DumpsterTrumpster was elected.

I wasn't a sore loser and accepted that Trump won with electoral votes. Y'all were sore winners when he won and remained sore losers when he lost.

In Arizona only. Look at the link posted above to see all the other states which had huge problems causing indicating theft.

 Arizona
• Maricopa County accepted at least 20,000 mail-in ballots after ElectionDay 2020, including 18,000 on November 4, 2020, picked up from the U.S. Postal Service—more than the entire Election margin of 10,457 ballots.
• A study of early ballot envelope signatures identified 229,430 mismatched signatures in Maricopa County. Officials only reported 25,000 mismatches, or 1.3%.
• The Arizona Forensic Audit of Maricopa County identified numerous anomalies, fraud, and Election law violations that are determinative, including 17,322 duplicate absentee ballot envelopes, which surged after  the Election. Between November 4th and November 9th, scores of mail-in ballot duplicates emerged. 96% of the ballots that came in on two of these days were duplicates
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on December 15, 2022, 11:24:46 AM

In Arizona only. Look at the link posted above to see all the other states which had huge problems causing indicating theft.

 Arizona
• Maricopa County accepted at least 20,000 mail-in ballots after ElectionDay 2020, including 18,000 on November 4, 2020, picked up from the U.S. Postal Service—more than the entire Election margin of 10,457 ballots.
• A study of early ballot envelope signatures identified 229,430 mismatched signatures in Maricopa County. Officials only reported 25,000 mismatches, or 1.3%.
• The Arizona Forensic Audit of Maricopa County identified numerous anomalies, fraud, and Election law violations that are determinative, including 17,322 duplicate absentee ballot envelopes, which surged after  the Election. Between November 4th and November 9th, scores of mail-in ballot duplicates emerged. 96% of the ballots that came in on two of these days were duplicates

It's all been debunked, yet you still spout such swill.  The official response:

https://elections.maricopa.gov/asset/jcr:a9e03750-0a8f-4162-859f-1d46ac54b485/Correcting%20The%20Record%20-%20January%202022%20Report.pdf

Take the time to read it.   All documents are at at the bottom of this page https://elections.maricopa.gov/voting/just-the-facts.html



Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 15, 2022, 05:31:08 PM

In Arizona only. Look at the link posted above to see all the other states which had huge problems causing indicating theft.

 Arizona
• Maricopa County accepted at least 20,000 mail-in ballots after ElectionDay 2020, including 18,000 on November 4, 2020, picked up from the U.S. Postal Service—more than the entire Election margin of 10,457 ballots.
• A study of early ballot envelope signatures identified 229,430 mismatched signatures in Maricopa County. Officials only reported 25,000 mismatches, or 1.3%.
• The Arizona Forensic Audit of Maricopa County identified numerous anomalies, fraud, and Election law violations that are determinative, including 17,322 duplicate absentee ballot envelopes, which surged after  the Election. Between November 4th and November 9th, scores of mail-in ballot duplicates emerged. 96% of the ballots that came in on two of these days were duplicates

It's all been debunked, yet you still spout such swill.



False and not by a long shot. The only "swill" being spouted is by you.

Trump won the election in 2020 fair and square and he won it by a huge margin.

Someday real historians will print the truth -- the election was stolen by a very evil cabal.

In the meantime honest citizens know the truth and can read the truth. Honest elections are won on the day of the election, fraudulent elections require the "vote by mail" scheme used by crooks.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on December 15, 2022, 08:28:32 PM

False and not by a long shot. The only "swill" being spouted is by you.

Trump won the election in 2020 fair and square and he won it by a huge margin.

Someday real historians will print the truth -- the election was stolen by a very evil cabal.

In the meantime honest citizens know the truth and can read the truth. Honest elections are won on the day of the election, fraudulent elections require the "vote by mail" scheme used by crooks.

At least my swill has substance.  Yours only conjecture.

It seems all conspiracies end in the same manner, i.e. "Someday historians will print the truth...." and the deadline just gets pushed down the road, or hidden by other last straw conspiracy theories like super secret sealed SCOTUS election cases that will put Trump back in the Oval.  The Rapture has been predicted since 1844 and many times since, so how long are you gonna wait for Trump to reclaim the country?  How long are you going to remain a tool?

"Honest citizens" in this context is oxymoronic, a catchphrase that only serves to divide and promote yet another unfounded conspiracy as an 'us vs them' agenda.  Joe Biden, the president of the United States sits in the Oval Office, an undeniable fact, yet you and others base your hopes on a simple logical fallacy with almost religious fanaticism. The Big Lie lives on only with the legs you give it.  I think they call such 'ignorant bliss' or such.

Much easier if you just state the only truth, that this is your opinion and nothing more, instead of touting unsupportable 'facts'.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 15, 2022, 09:42:26 PM
Facts are facts. Trump won the election and only crooks like BC are election deniers.


 Arizona
• Maricopa County accepted at least 20,000 mail-in ballots after ElectionDay 2020, including 18,000 on November 4, 2020, picked up from the U.S. Postal Service—more than the entire Election margin of 10,457 ballots.
• A study of early ballot envelope signatures identified 229,430 mismatched signatures in Maricopa County. Officials only reported 25,000 mismatches, or 1.3%.
• The Arizona Forensic Audit of Maricopa County identified numerous anomalies, fraud, and Election law violations that are determinative, including 17,322 duplicate absentee ballot envelopes, which surged after  the Election. Between November 4th and November 9th, scores of mail-in ballot duplicates emerged. 96% of the ballots that came in on two of these days were duplicates
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on December 15, 2022, 09:58:10 PM
Facts are facts. Trump won the election and only crooks like BC are election deniers.


 Arizona
• Maricopa County accepted at least 20,000 mail-in ballots after ElectionDay 2020, including 18,000 on November 4, 2020, picked up from the U.S. Postal Service—more than the entire Election margin of 10,457 ballots.
• A study of early ballot envelope signatures identified 229,430 mismatched signatures in Maricopa County. Officials only reported 25,000 mismatches, or 1.3%.
• The Arizona Forensic Audit of Maricopa County identified numerous anomalies, fraud, and Election law violations that are determinative, including 17,322 duplicate absentee ballot envelopes, which surged after  the Election. Between November 4th and November 9th, scores of mail-in ballot duplicates emerged. 96% of the ballots that came in on two of these days were duplicates

No, these are debunked opinions from a pundit website shilling a book for you to buy.

https://www.capitolhellway.com/2022/10/16/january-6th/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 16, 2022, 03:07:57 PM
Facts are facts. Trump won the election and only crooks like BC are election deniers.


 Arizona
• Maricopa County accepted at least 20,000 mail-in ballots after ElectionDay 2020, including 18,000 on November 4, 2020, picked up from the U.S. Postal Service—more than the entire Election margin of 10,457 ballots.
• A study of early ballot envelope signatures identified 229,430 mismatched signatures in Maricopa County. Officials only reported 25,000 mismatches, or 1.3%.
• The Arizona Forensic Audit of Maricopa County identified numerous anomalies, fraud, and Election law violations that are determinative, including 17,322 duplicate absentee ballot envelopes, which surged after  the Election. Between November 4th and November 9th, scores of mail-in ballot duplicates emerged. 96% of the ballots that came in on two of these days were duplicates

No, these are debunked opinions from a pundit website shilling a book for you to buy.

https://www.capitolhellway.com/2022/10/16/january-6th/


NOT debunked, not at all.

Only crooked election deniers like you think it's okay to accept votes by mail after the actual election, and to only correct about 1% of the fraudulent votes.



Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 16, 2022, 03:32:27 PM
I know cuffy is a fan, I wonder if he got on board? This will drive the libs crazy for sure!  :ROFL:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/donald-trump-s-first-nft-offering-sells-out-in-less-than-a-day/ar-AA15mFP2?cvid=fb483d167b5c4a858a463fad4d0dc3d8
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 16, 2022, 05:10:54 PM
I know cuffy is a fan, I wonder if he got on board? This will drive the libs crazy for sure!  :ROFL:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/donald-trump-s-first-nft-offering-sells-out-in-less-than-a-day/ar-AA15mFP2?cvid=fb483d167b5c4a858a463fad4d0dc3d8

LOL After all of the FTX skullduggery it is clear the only way to make a profit on NFTs is to mint and sell them... Same goes for 95% of the Alt Coins and tokens...  Waiting for Harry Dent's forecasted BTC 95% drop to $3,250+/- then ride the next 2024 halving bull run to crazy new highs.



Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 17, 2022, 10:14:49 AM
I know cuffy is a fan, I wonder if he got on board? This will drive the libs crazy for sure!  :ROFL:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/donald-trump-s-first-nft-offering-sells-out-in-less-than-a-day/ar-AA15mFP2?cvid=fb483d167b5c4a858a463fad4d0dc3d8

LOL After all of the FTX skullduggery it is clear the only way to make a profit on NFTs is to mint and sell them... Same goes for 95% of the Alt Coins and tokens...  Waiting for Harry Dent's forecasted BTC 95% drop to $3,250+/- then ride the next 2024 halving bull run to crazy new highs.



Leave it to Trump to rescue NFTs!
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on December 18, 2022, 10:14:23 AM
It seems all conspiracies end in the same manner, i.e. "Someday historians will print the truth...." and the deadline just gets pushed down the road, or hidden by other last straw conspiracy theories like super secret sealed SCOTUS election cases that will put Trump back in the Oval. 
Much easier if you just state the only truth, that this is your opinion and nothing more, instead of touting unsupportable 'facts'.

You spent years believing that there was a criminal conspiracy
between Trump and Putin and that there is nothing wrong
with an aggressive and illegal investigations by the corrupt
hold overs of the Obama administration.

There was nothing wrong in raiding his attorneys offices and
investigating them for criminality in order to get them to give
up the things like defense strategies.

In your mind there is nothing wrong with team Biden starting
criminal investigations now of their top competitor.

You ........... Pot, kettle, black.

(https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.2081091889.6882/st,small,507x507-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.jpg)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 18, 2022, 11:02:21 AM
It seems all conspiracies end in the same manner, i.e. "Someday historians will print the truth...." and the deadline just gets pushed down the road, or hidden by other last straw conspiracy theories like super secret sealed SCOTUS election cases that will put Trump back in the Oval. 
Much easier if you just state the only truth, that this is your opinion and nothing more, instead of touting unsupportable 'facts'.

You spent years believing that there was a criminal conspiracy
between Trump and Putin and that there is nothing wrong
with an aggressive and illegal investigations by the corrupt
hold overs of the Obama administration.

There was nothing wrong in raiding his attorneys offices and
investigating them for criminality in order to get them to give
up the things like defense strategies.

In your mind there is nothing wrong with team Biden starting
criminal investigations now of their top competitor.

You ........... Pot, kettle, black.

(https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.2081091889.6882/st,small,507x507-pad,600x600,f8f8f8.jpg)


Imagine if we had full control of Congress, meaning a solid majority in both houses. And imagine if every one of them were truly dedicated at getting to the truth --

They could spend the next two years impeaching Biden for his unlawful interference in both Ukraine and China, as well as throwing his son in prison. And they could also find a way to investigate the 2020 election for the next two years, hopefully throwing one of the key crooks into prison for life.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on December 18, 2022, 08:55:16 PM

You spent years believing that there was a criminal conspiracy
between Trump and Putin and that there is nothing wrong
with an aggressive and illegal investigations by the corrupt
hold overs of the Obama administration.

There was nothing wrong in raiding his attorneys offices and
investigating them for criminality in order to get them to give
up the things like defense strategies.

In your mind there is nothing wrong with team Biden starting
criminal investigations now of their top competitor.

You ........... Pot, kettle, black.

No, 2tall, I spent years answering that I would accept the findings of the Mueller investigation and still do.

Have any of the search warrants been challenged by these lawyers as being illegal searches and seizures?  If so, how did the courts rule?

Team Biden is not investigating Trump. DOJ is investigating Trump.

Oct 2021:
“The Department of Justice will make its own independent decisions in all prosecutions based solely on the facts and the law. Period. Full stop,”
-DOJ spokesperson Anthony Coley
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on December 19, 2022, 12:48:10 AM
No, 2tall, I spent years answering that I would accept the findings of the Mueller investigation and still do.
And yet Mueller's investigation has finished and completely destroyed the case, but you still think Trump is guilty of something and the prosecutions new case should proceed  :sick0012:

Have any of the search warrants been challenged by these lawyers as being illegal searches and seizures?  If so, how did the courts rule?
The lawyers nor any of trumps representatives were not present at the raid of mar-a-lago because they were barred by the justice department. Therefore they have no comment wether or not it was an illegal search. Their forced absense however was deemed illegal by the judges, no penalties but a formal slap on the wrist without consequences.

Team Biden is not investigating Trump. DOJ is investigating Trump.

Oct 2021:
“The Department of Justice will make its own independent decisions in all prosecutions based solely on the facts and the law. Period. Full stop,”
-DOJ spokesperson Anthony Coley
:dh:

If they truly did, the (lack of) evidence should have closed this case long ago. It is a complete and utter waste of the taxpayers money and therefore their motives are less than open and Anthony Coley is talking out of his ass.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 19, 2022, 09:39:57 AM
No, 2tall, I spent years answering that I would accept the findings of the Mueller investigation and still do.
And yet Mueller's investigation has finished and completely destroyed the case, but you still think Trump is guilty of something and the prosecutions new case should proceed  :sick0012:

Have any of the search warrants been challenged by these lawyers as being illegal searches and seizures?  If so, how did the courts rule?
The lawyers nor any of trumps representatives were not present at the raid of mar-a-lago because they were barred by the justice department. Therefore they have no comment wether or not it was an illegal search. Their forced absense however was deemed illegal by the judges, no penalties but a formal slap on the wrist without consequences.

Team Biden is not investigating Trump. DOJ is investigating Trump.

Oct 2021:
“The Department of Justice will make its own independent decisions in all prosecutions based solely on the facts and the law. Period. Full stop,”
-DOJ spokesperson Anthony Coley
:dh:

If they truly did, the (lack of) evidence should have closed this case long ago. It is a complete and utter waste of the taxpayers money and therefore their motives are less than open and Anthony Coley is talking out of his ass.

Just like BC.  :ROFL:
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on December 19, 2022, 10:00:09 AM

Team Biden is not investigating Trump. DOJ is investigating Trump.
Hahahahahaha! Total

Oct 2021:
“The Department of Justice will make its own independent decisions in all prosecutions based solely on political expediency and to benefit the radical left and this president, Period. Full stop,”
-DOJ apologist and team Biden sycophant Anthony Coley

This politically weaponized DOJ has listed parents complaining at
school board meetings as domestic terrorists.

True the Vote, which trains election volunteers and aims to root out voter fraud has been subjected to six FBI domestic terrorism
inquiries, an IRS visit, two IRS business audits, two IRS personal
audits, and inspections of her equipment manufacturing company
by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), the U.S. Department of Labor Occupational Safety and Health
Administration (OSHA).

The left uses the power of the state to attack and punish those
that disagree with them.  Period. Full stop.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on December 19, 2022, 12:06:37 PM
No, 2tall, I spent years answering that I would accept the findings of the Mueller investigation and still do.
And yet Mueller's investigation has finished and completely destroyed the case, but you still think Trump is guilty of something and the prosecutions new case should proceed  :sick0012:

How did it destroy the case?  Charges ensued, resulting in guilty pleas and verdicts for a number of folks directly related to the Trump campaign. IIRC for lying to the FBI, Congress, and several other charges. Mueller did not assess whether Trump was culpable, as a sitting president cannot be indicted, but did state that if Trump was exonerated of obstruction by the investigation, he would have said so.  He did not.  The law says don't lie to the FBI.  It also says don't lie to Congress or when questioned by a special counsel.  That's not hard to understand or?

Have any of the search warrants been challenged by these lawyers as being illegal searches and seizures?  If so, how did the courts rule?
The lawyers nor any of trumps representatives were not present at the raid of mar-a-lago because they were barred by the justice department. Therefore they have no comment wether or not it was an illegal search. Their forced absense however was deemed illegal by the judges, no penalties but a formal slap on the wrist without consequences.

Probable cause, leading to the search warrant, was listed in the warrant and was provided to Trump's lawyers, who could have had any evidence collected thrown out if the search was not proper.  They were not able to do so as the warrant was proper. Classified documents are government property.  A simple concept Trump decided to ignore.

Team Biden is not investigating Trump. DOJ is investigating Trump.

Oct 2021:
“The Department of Justice will make its own independent decisions in all prosecutions based solely on the facts and the law. Period. Full stop,”
-DOJ spokesperson Anthony Coley
:dh:

If they truly did, the (lack of) evidence should have closed this case long ago. It is a complete and utter waste of the taxpayers money and therefore their motives are less than open and Anthony Coley is talking out of his ass.

As your opinion, that's fine. But remember there are several investigations, not one continuous one and evidence abounds. My opinion, stated long ago regarding dealings with Russian officials and others was that if Trump & Co had been open and honest about their dealings, there would have been no investigation.  Instead, they knowingly dug their own hole.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on December 19, 2022, 12:24:24 PM

This politically weaponized DOJ has listed parents complaining at
school board meetings as domestic terrorists.

Partisan hype.  Unless you can provide evidence, these parents were listed as domestic terrorists.  Can you?

Quote
True the Vote, which trains election volunteers and aims to root out voter fraud has been subjected to six FBI domestic terrorism
inquiries, an IRS visit, two IRS business audits, two IRS personal
audits, and inspections of her equipment manufacturing company
by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF), the U.S. Department of Labor Occupational Safety and Health
Administration (OSHA).

I admit I haven't followed the TTV affair.  Has anything been ruled as improper?

Quote
The left uses the power of the state to attack and punish those
that disagree with them.  Period. Full stop.

Our opinions differ.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on December 19, 2022, 12:26:02 PM
FBI Official Accused Of Suppressing Hunter Biden Laptop
Story STILL Briefing Facebook, Twitter About Alleged Disinformation

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-official-accused-of-suppressing-hunter-biden-laptop-story-still-briefing-facebook-twitter-about-alleged-disinformation/ar-AA13IscC


DOJ, FBI Confirm Hunter Biden Laptop Is NOT Part Of ‘Russian Disinformation Campaign,’
https://www.dailywire.com/news/breaking-doj-fbi-confirm-hunter-biden-laptop-is-not-part-of-russian-disinformation-campaign

FBI Officials Told Agents Not to Investigate Hunter Biden
Laptop ahead of 2020 Election, Whistleblower Says

https://news.yahoo.com/fbi-officials-told-agents-not-124942196.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on December 19, 2022, 12:51:51 PM
Partisan hype.  Unless you can provide evidence, these parents were listed as domestic terrorists.  Can you?

Our opinions differ.

Garland Defends Decision to Mobilize FBI Against Threats to School Board Members
The attorney general's directive came five days after the National School Boards Association wrote a letter to President Joe Biden asking for federal assistance in responding to the mounting threats and violence that they likened to "domestic terrorism" against school board members related to their decisions on COVID-19 school safety policies, critical race theory and more.

"A snitch line on parents, started five days after a left-wing political organization asked for it," Rep. Jim Jordan, Ohio Republican and ranking member of the committee, said. "If that's not political, I don't know what is."

https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2021-10-21/garland-defends-decision-to-mobilize-fbi-against-threats-to-school-board-members

Are Parents Being Tagged as “Domestic Terrorists”
by the FBI? Justice Department Needs to Show Its Cards

https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/are-parents-being-tagged-domestic-terrorists-the-fbi-justice


Merrick Garland Abuses His Authority To Suppress Dissent
https://www.heritage.org/education/commentary/merrick-garland-abuses-his-authority-suppress-dissent


Link to the actual memo
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2021-11/FBIWhistleblowerDocument.pdf
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on December 19, 2022, 01:21:10 PM
Partisan hype.  Unless you can provide evidence, these parents were listed as domestic terrorists.  Can you?

Our opinions differ.

Garland Defends Decision to Mobilize FBI Against Threats to School Board Members
The attorney general's directive came five days after the National School Boards Association wrote a letter to President Joe Biden asking for federal assistance in responding to the mounting threats and violence that they likened to "domestic terrorism" against school board members related to their decisions on COVID-19 school safety policies, critical race theory and more.

"A snitch line on parents, started five days after a left-wing political organization asked for it," Rep. Jim Jordan, Ohio Republican and ranking member of the committee, said. "If that's not political, I don't know what is."

https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2021-10-21/garland-defends-decision-to-mobilize-fbi-against-threats-to-school-board-members

Are Parents Being Tagged as “Domestic Terrorists”
by the FBI? Justice Department Needs to Show Its Cards

https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/are-parents-being-tagged-domestic-terrorists-the-fbi-justice


Merrick Garland Abuses His Authority To Suppress Dissent
https://www.heritage.org/education/commentary/merrick-garland-abuses-his-authority-suppress-dissent


Link to the actual memo
https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2021-11/FBIWhistleblowerDocument.pdf

Nothing here includes any evidence that these folks were listed as being terrorists, as you previously stated.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 19, 2022, 02:11:35 PM
BC reminds me of Baghdad Bob, except some of his predictions came true.  :8)
Title: BC was correct and I was wrong about that issue
Post by: 2tallbill on December 19, 2022, 05:19:56 PM
Nothing here includes any evidence that these folks were listed as being terrorists, as you previously stated.

You are correct and I was wrong. I listened to too much crap that
I didn't independently verify.
Title: Re: BC was correct and I was wrong about that issue
Post by: Contrarian on December 19, 2022, 05:31:14 PM
Nothing here includes any evidence that these folks were listed as being terrorists, as you previously stated.

You are correct and I was wrong. I listened to too much crap that
I didn't independently verify.


Yes and that is the sole purpose of an unprofessional media -- defame the President or whatever target they want to and eventually people will believe it.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on December 20, 2022, 01:45:53 AM
How did it destroy the case?  Charges ensued, resulting in guilty pleas and verdicts for a number of folks directly related to the Trump campaign. IIRC for lying to the FBI, Congress, and several other charges. Mueller did not assess whether Trump was culpable, as a sitting president cannot be indicted, but did state that if Trump was exonerated of obstruction by the investigation, he would have said so.  He did not.  The law says don't lie to the FBI.  It also says don't lie to Congress or when questioned by a special counsel.  That's not hard to understand or?


Let me try an analogy:

Me: You cannot drive because there is no road there, only bushes.
BC: But you have a flat tire

The tire can be fixed (trump is now ex-president) , but there is still no road there (no evidence found).

Therefore trump is not indicted. There is no evidence, none-found full stop, end of story.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on December 20, 2022, 03:36:27 AM
Therefore trump is not indicted. There is no evidence, none-found full stop, end of story.

Trump was not indicted because a sitting president cannot be indicted.  Mueller's investigation is closed, and a list of his key findings is available here: https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-presidential-investigation-education-project/other-resources/key-findings-of-the-mueller-report/



Title: Re: BC was correct and I was wrong about that issue
Post by: BC on December 20, 2022, 03:44:43 AM
Yes and that is the sole purpose of an unprofessional media -- defame the President or whatever target they want to and eventually people will believe it.

Isn't that a coin with two sides?  I've often read headlines on the same subject that come to opposing conclusions.  Parsing the facts to form an informed opinion is left up to the reader.  I don't blame the media on either side of their take on a story. Media is not news and is simply a few facts (or not) with a ton of opinion added to catch the eye and pocketbooks of their curated audience.  I do, however, criticize those who don't want to take the effort to get beyond the headlines and/or ignore the facts presented (or fail to note the lack thereof).  Far too many are not able to differentiate opinions from facts.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on December 20, 2022, 04:37:01 AM
Therefore trump is not indicted. There is no evidence, none-found full stop, end of story.

Trump was not indicted because a sitting president cannot be indicted.  Mueller's investigation is closed, and a list of his key findings is available here: https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-presidential-investigation-education-project/other-resources/key-findings-of-the-mueller-report/

If that was the reason, he would be indicted 7 jan, the day he ceased to be a president.

There is none, because there is no evidence, that you can't comprehend that single fact seems unbelievable.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on December 20, 2022, 09:17:14 AM

If that was the reason, he would be indicted 7 jan, the day he ceased to be a president.


Yes, he could have been indicted anytime after 20 January 2021, and still can, until the statute of limitations runs out.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on December 20, 2022, 09:20:35 AM
Yes, he could have been indicted anytime after 20 January 2021, and still can, until the statute of limitations runs out.

The unfortunate problem is that he didn't commit a crime.
Disagreeing with the far left is still not a crime in the US.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on December 20, 2022, 11:01:23 AM

If that was the reason, he would be indicted 7 jan, the day he ceased to be a president.


Yes, he could have been indicted anytime after 20 January 2021, and still can, until the statute of limitations runs out.

IF there was evidence, they already would, that's the point.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on December 21, 2022, 12:03:09 AM
IF there was evidence, they already would, that's the point.

Markje,

I assume you haven't read Mueller's report.  Below is a decent legal assessment of the evidence presented and a legal assessment.  Why DOJ has not indicted him is a question only they can answer.  Since Mueller's investigation did not assess whether or not to charge Trump, they may not want to start another investigation on top of several other ongoing investigations.  Trump likes to pile it on it seems.  The evidence Mueller collected does not go away and can be used in supporting other, more serious charges that may be forthcoming.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/obstruction-justice-mueller-report-heat-map
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on December 21, 2022, 12:55:37 AM
IF there was evidence, they already would, that's the point.

Markje,

I assume you haven't read Mueller's report.  Below is a decent legal assessment of the evidence presented and a legal assessment.  Why DOJ has not indicted him is a question only they can answer.  Since Mueller's investigation did not assess whether or not to charge Trump, they may not want to start another investigation on top of several other ongoing investigations.  Trump likes to pile it on it seems.  The evidence Mueller collected does not go away and can be used in supporting other, more serious charges that may be forthcoming.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/obstruction-justice-mueller-report-heat-map

yes, I have read muellers docs. You just keep hoping, I'm sure Trump won't ever be indicted with what they have now.

I think the white house press secretary said it best after Mueller trying to defend his report in court:

Quote

“The last three hours have been an epic embarrassment for the Democrats,” White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said in a statement after the first round of hearings. “Expect more of the same in the second half.”

And about his exoneration (direct quote from Mueller)
Quote
(The report says, “while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”)
So, there was a big old nothin' burger as in: I fully believe trump was wrong, I just can't prove it.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on December 21, 2022, 04:31:10 AM
You just keep hoping, I'm sure Trump won't ever be indicted with what they have now.

I don't worry about things I can't change Markje.  It's up to DOJ what they want to do with the evidence in the Mueller report.

Quote
I think the white house press secretary said it best after Mueller trying to defend his report in court:

“The last three hours have been an epic embarrassment for the Democrats,” White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said in a statement after the first round of hearings. “Expect more of the same in the second half.”

I would expect such a statement from a Trump aide at the time.  Stepanie did author a book about her stint at the WH with tidbits of this and that, don't know what she would say if you asked her today.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/exclusive-trump-aide-stephanie-grisham-terrified-trump-running/story?id=80398083

Quote
And about his exoneration (direct quote from Mueller)
Quote
(The report says, “while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”)
So, there was a big old nothin' burger as in: I fully believe trump was wrong, I just can't prove it.

Mueller left it open for others to decide how his findings would be used.  In full context:

Fourth, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President
clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state.
Based on the facts and the
applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment.
The evidence we
obtained about the President’s actions and intent presents difficult issues that prevent us from
conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred. Accordingly, while this report does
not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.


Yes, Mueller purposefully beat around the bush ass-backward.  Putting it any other way would constitute an indictment which he could not do as Trump was still president at the time the report was released. 

At the Judiciary Committee hearings Mueller stated:

"Based on Justice Department policy and principles of fairness, we decided we would not make a determination as to whether the President committed a crime. That was our decision then and it remains our decision today."

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on December 21, 2022, 04:56:24 AM
I would expect such a statement from a Trump aide at the time.  Stepanie did author a book about her stint at the WH with tidbits of this and that, don't know what she would say if you asked her today.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/exclusive-trump-aide-stephanie-grisham-terrified-trump-running/story?id=80398083
Innuendo and allegations, as far as I know, she never changed her mind on that.

Quote
And about his exoneration (direct quote from Mueller)
Quote
(The report says, “while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”)
So, there was a big old nothin' burger as in: I fully believe trump was wrong, I just can't prove it.

Mueller left it open for others to decide how his findings would be used.  In full context:

Fourth, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President
clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state.
Based on the facts and the
applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment.
The evidence we
obtained about the President’s actions and intent presents difficult issues that prevent us from
conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred. Accordingly, while this report does
not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.


Yes, Mueller purposefully beat around the bush ass-backward.  Putting it any other way would constitute an indictment which he could not do as Trump was still president at the time the report was released. 

At the Judiciary Committee hearings Mueller stated:

"Based on Justice Department policy and principles of fairness, we decided we would not make a determination as to whether the President committed a crime. That was our decision then and it remains our decision today."
[/quote]
All that text and yet it says nothing different: We suspect he did things wrong, yet we can't prove it so we won't indict.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on December 21, 2022, 09:53:21 AM
Trump was not indicted because a sitting president cannot be indicted.  Mueller's investigation is closed, and a list of his key findings is available here: https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-presidential-investigation-education-project/other-resources/key-findings-of-the-mueller-report/

YET THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE, the Mueller report exonerated
Trump vis-a-vis Russian collusion. The only thing Mueller said
was that

Trump didn't help them incriminate himself enough for their
liking. So they mumbled vague things about Obstruction.

You have lost this argument 500 times. You continue
to hold out hope that something was said in the entire
report that incriminates Trump, but it doesn't. That's
why you send a link to a huge report rather than a quote.

From the radical left wing activists at the Associated Press
No collusion: Key takeaways from Mueller’s Russia findings
https://apnews.com/article/north-america-donald-trump-ap-top-news-elections-politics-3053d226815e4c8d905322ea1d8cd1a1

You have repeatedly said that you would accept Muellers findings
but clearly you have not.
https://apnews.com/article/north-america-donald-trump-ap-top-news-elections-politics-3053d226815e4c8d905322ea1d8cd1a1



Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 21, 2022, 10:19:41 AM
Trump was not indicted because a sitting president cannot be indicted.  Mueller's investigation is closed, and a list of his key findings is available here: https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-presidential-investigation-education-project/other-resources/key-findings-of-the-mueller-report/

YET THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE, the Mueller report exonerated
Trump vis-a-vis Russian collusion. The only thing Mueller said
was that

Trump didn't help them incriminate himself enough for their
liking. So they mumbled vague things about Obstruction.

You have lost this argument 500 times. You continue
to hold out hope that something was said in the entire
report that incriminates Trump, but it doesn't. That's
why you send a link to a huge report rather than a quote.

From the radical left wing activists at the Associated Press
No collusion: Key takeaways from Mueller’s Russia findings
https://apnews.com/article/north-america-donald-trump-ap-top-news-elections-politics-3053d226815e4c8d905322ea1d8cd1a1

You have repeatedly said that you would accept Muellers findings
but clearly you have not.
https://apnews.com/article/north-america-donald-trump-ap-top-news-elections-politics-3053d226815e4c8d905322ea1d8cd1a1


No doubt he's lost the argument many times. The question in my mind is how will he react when Republicans impeach Biden and perhaps Mayorkis as well. Both should be impeached for Treason re the border. Biden should be brought before an independent MD to determine if he has dementia, which appears obvious.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on December 21, 2022, 11:55:54 AM
is how will he react when Republicans impeach Biden and perhaps Mayorkis as well. Both should be impeached for Treason re the border. Biden should be brought before an independent MD to determine if he has dementia, which appears obvious.

He will ask, "was he convicted?" and that in his mind proves
that Team Biden is totally innocent of everything.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on December 22, 2022, 12:32:26 AM
All that text and yet it says nothing different: We suspect he did things wrong, yet we can't prove it so we won't indict.

The language is very specific Markje.  Mueller said they would not make a determination as to whether Trump obstructed justice, Congress, or his investigation.  DOJ policy - that of not being able to indict a sitting president.  He could not do something the DOJ policy would not allow him to do.  He could however clear Trump, which would not have been against DOJ policy.  He did not do so.

Simple as that. 

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on December 22, 2022, 12:45:05 AM

You have lost this argument 500 times. You continue
to hold out hope that something was said in the entire
report that incriminates Trump, but it doesn't. That's
why you send a link to a huge report rather than a quote.


There is nothing to lose 2tall.  That Mueller did not find that Trump or the campaign conspired to work with Russia to interfere with the election is clear in the report and always was.  That does not, however, absolve the charges for obstruction, lying to the FBI, to Congress, and Mueller's investigation team by others associated with the Trump campaign.  Obstruction is a crime in itself and is not dependent on the outcome of any investigation.

The law doesn't allow you to have your cake and eat it too.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on December 22, 2022, 12:56:59 AM
No doubt he's lost the argument many times. The question in my mind is how will he react when Republicans impeach Biden and perhaps Mayorkis as well. Both should be impeached for Treason re the border. Biden should be brought before an independent MD to determine if he has dementia, which appears obvious.

If GOP decides to use its Constitutional powers to impeach Biden, that's fine.  The big question is if there are enough votes to do so.  How many attempts have there been so far to impeach Biden?  Nine? Ten?  The first articles of impeachment were submitted on the first day he was in office.  Par for the course nowadays.  Let me know when they have the votes.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on December 22, 2022, 12:58:50 AM
All that text and yet it says nothing different: We suspect he did things wrong, yet we can't prove it so we won't indict.

The language is very specific Markje.  Mueller said they would not make a determination as to whether Trump obstructed justice, Congress, or his investigation.  DOJ policy - that of not being able to indict a sitting president.  He could not do something the DOJ policy would not allow him to do.  He could however clear Trump, which would not have been against DOJ policy.  He did not do so.

Simple as that.

Please read the wording carefully. Its about something completely else than "Russian Collusion" or "Russian interference in the Election process". Wether or not he committed "Obstruction of Justice" remains to be seen, because there Mueller again thinks He's guilty but won't indict since the original crime went away with this investigation.

Sitting president or not, there is nothing here.


Editted to add: So you agree that Trump was not guilty and never was of "Russian Collusion". Good Finally , case closed, nothing to see here move along.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on December 22, 2022, 04:10:26 AM

Please read the wording carefully. Its about something completely else than "Russian Collusion" or "Russian interference in the Election process". Wether or not he committed "Obstruction of Justice" remains to be seen, because there Mueller again thinks He's guilty but won't indict since the original crime went away with this investigation.

Sitting president or not, there is nothing here.

Editted to add: So you agree that Trump was not guilty and never was of "Russian Collusion". Good Finally , case closed, nothing to see here move along.

If I state I stand by Mueller's report and subsequent statements, it means exactly that. Folks that took the time to read and fully comprehend the report would understand the context of my responses.  That some still fail to do so is not my problem.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on December 22, 2022, 04:39:41 AM

Please read the wording carefully. Its about something completely else than "Russian Collusion" or "Russian interference in the Election process". Wether or not he committed "Obstruction of Justice" remains to be seen, because there Mueller again thinks He's guilty but won't indict since the original crime went away with this investigation.

Sitting president or not, there is nothing here.

Editted to add: So you agree that Trump was not guilty and never was of "Russian Collusion". Good Finally , case closed, nothing to see here move along.

If I state I stand by Mueller's report and subsequent statements, it means exactly that. Folks that took the time to read and fully comprehend the report would understand the context of my responses.  That some still fail to do so is not my problem.


It is in fact your heavy politically driven, personal problem alone.

The report, and subsequent statements found no evidence of Russian collusion. As for obstruction of Justice, the report never made any determination as to whether or not Trump committed a crime - FULL STOP.


At 2:15:

Quote from: Mueller
…And beyond department policy we were guided by the principles of fairness that it would be unfair to potentially accuse somebody of a crime when there can be no court resolution of the actual charge.

So that was Justice Department policy. Those were the principles under which we operated and from them we concluded that we would not reach a determination one way or the other about whether the president committed a crime…that is the office (re: report) final position and we will not comment on any other conclusions or hypotheticals about the president…

FULL STOP.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on December 22, 2022, 04:44:25 AM
All that text and yet it says nothing different: We suspect he did things wrong, yet we can't prove it so we won't indict.

The language is very specific Markje.  Mueller said they would not make a determination as to whether Trump obstructed justice, Congress, or his investigation.  DOJ policy - that of not being able to indict a sitting president.  He could not do something the DOJ policy would not allow him to do.  He could however clear Trump, which would not have been against DOJ policy.  He did not do so.

Simple as that.

Please read the wording carefully. Its about something completely else than "Russian Collusion" or "Russian interference in the Election process". Wether or not he committed "Obstruction of Justice" remains to be seen, because there Mueller again thinks He's guilty but won't indict since the original crime went away with this investigation.

Sitting president or not, there is nothing here.


Editted to add: So you agree that Trump was not guilty and never was of "Russian Collusion". Good Finally , case closed, nothing to see here move along.

Exactly. Drowned out in all these is that fact Clinton escaped prosecution by/of destroying federal evidence Re: bleaching her personal server drive and hammering numerous cell phones.

Now they’re doing the exact same thing with Biden’s family criminal activity, including Hunter’s laptop and misdeeds ( which could implicate Biden ), by focusing on another Trump witch hunt.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on December 22, 2022, 05:11:08 AM
All that text and yet it says nothing different: We suspect he did things wrong, yet we can't prove it so we won't indict.

The language is very specific Markje.  Mueller said they would not make a determination as to whether Trump obstructed justice, Congress, or his investigation.  DOJ policy - that of not being able to indict a sitting president.  He could not do something the DOJ policy would not allow him to do. He could however clear Trump, which would not have been against DOJ policy.  He did not do so.

Simple as that.

Obviously not to you.

Exactly how can he clear Trump, or anyone of anything, if they didn’t make a determination whether or not a crime even existed or was committed?

Is this really a struggle for you?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on December 22, 2022, 05:12:20 AM

Please read the wording carefully. Its about something completely else than "Russian Collusion" or "Russian interference in the Election process". Wether or not he committed "Obstruction of Justice" remains to be seen, because there Mueller again thinks He's guilty but won't indict since the original crime went away with this investigation.

Sitting president or not, there is nothing here.

Editted to add: So you agree that Trump was not guilty and never was of "Russian Collusion". Good Finally , case closed, nothing to see here move along.

If I state I stand by Mueller's report and subsequent statements, it means exactly that. Folks that took the time to read and fully comprehend the report would understand the context of my responses.  That some still fail to do so is not my problem.


It is in fact your heavy politically driven, personal problem alone.

The report, and subsequent statements found no evidence of Russian collusion. As for obstruction of Justice, the report never made any determination as to whether or not Trump committed a crime - FULL STOP.


At 2:15:

Quote from: Mueller
…And beyond department policy we were guided by the principles of fairness that it would be unfair to potentially accuse somebody of a crime when there can be no court resolution of the actual charge.

So that was Justice Department policy. Those were the principles under which we operated and from them we concluded that we would not reach a determination one way or the other about whether the president committed a crime…that is the office (re: report) final position and we will not comment on any other conclusions or hypotheticals about the president…

FULL STOP.

Ahh.. I see someone else needs a refresher in reading comprehension.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on December 22, 2022, 05:13:06 AM
All that text and yet it says nothing different: We suspect he did things wrong, yet we can't prove it so we won't indict.

The language is very specific Markje.  Mueller said they would not make a determination as to whether Trump obstructed justice, Congress, or his investigation.  DOJ policy - that of not being able to indict a sitting president.  He could not do something the DOJ policy would not allow him to do. He could however clear Trump, which would not have been against DOJ policy.  He did not do so.

Simple as that.

Obviously not to you.

Exactly how can he clear Trump, or anyone of anything, if they didn’t make a determination whether or not a crime even existed or was committed?

Is this really a struggle for you?

Read the report, and learn something.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on December 22, 2022, 05:20:03 AM

Please read the wording carefully. Its about something completely else than "Russian Collusion" or "Russian interference in the Election process". Wether or not he committed "Obstruction of Justice" remains to be seen, because there Mueller again thinks He's guilty but won't indict since the original crime went away with this investigation.

Sitting president or not, there is nothing here.

Editted to add: So you agree that Trump was not guilty and never was of "Russian Collusion". Good Finally , case closed, nothing to see here move along.

If I state I stand by Mueller's report and subsequent statements, it means exactly that. Folks that took the time to read and fully comprehend the report would understand the context of my responses.  That some still fail to do so is not my problem.


It is in fact your heavy politically driven, personal problem alone.

The report, and subsequent statements found no evidence of Russian collusion. As for obstruction of Justice, the report never made any determination as to whether or not Trump committed a crime - FULL STOP.


At 2:15:

Quote from: Mueller
…And beyond department policy we were guided by the principles of fairness that it would be unfair to potentially accuse somebody of a crime when there can be no court resolution of the actual charge.

So that was Justice Department policy. Those were the principles under which we operated and from them we concluded that we would not reach a determination one way or the other about whether the president committed a crime…that is the office (re: report) final position and we will not comment on any other conclusions or hypotheticals about the president…

FULL STOP.

Ahh.. I see someone else needs a refresher in reading comprehension.

Exactly.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on December 22, 2022, 05:27:00 AM
All that text and yet it says nothing different: We suspect he did things wrong, yet we can't prove it so we won't indict.

The language is very specific Markje.  Mueller said they would not make a determination as to whether Trump obstructed justice, Congress, or his investigation.  DOJ policy - that of not being able to indict a sitting president.  He could not do something the DOJ policy would not allow him to do. He could however clear Trump, which would not have been against DOJ policy.  He did not do so.

Simple as that.

Obviously not to you.

Exactly how can he clear Trump, or anyone of anything, if they didn’t make a determination whether or not a crime even existed or was committed?

Is this really a struggle for you?

Read the report, and learn something.

Weak. I just provided Robert Mueller himself, complete with easy reading transcript for your reading pleasure, to see if what you said above have an ounce of merit. LMAO! We now know you really don’t.

You have zero credibility chomp. Your partisan indoctrination had left you void of any sensical distinction of reality.

Lingering Military drug experimentation side effects perhaps, BC? Camp Legeune?

Lol!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on December 22, 2022, 05:39:36 AM
All that text and yet it says nothing different: We suspect he did things wrong, yet we can't prove it so we won't indict.

The language is very specific Markje.  Mueller said they would not make a determination as to whether Trump obstructed justice, Congress, or his investigation.  DOJ policy - that of not being able to indict a sitting president.  He could not do something the DOJ policy would not allow him to do. He could however clear Trump, which would not have been against DOJ policy.  He did not do so.

Simple as that.

Obviously not to you.

Exactly how can he clear Trump, or anyone of anything, if they didn’t make a determination whether or not a crime even existed or was committed?

Is this really a struggle for you?

Read the report, and learn something.

Weak. I just provided Robert Mueller himself, complete with easy reading transcript for your reading pleasure, to see if what you said above have an ounce of merit. LMAO! We now know you really don’t.

You have zero credibility chomp. Your partisan indoctrination had left you void of any sensical distinction of reality.

Lingering Military drug experimentation side effects perhaps, BC? Camp Legeune?

Lol!

You're perfect proof that some just can't be helped.  Maybe someday you'll re-read this thread and see what an ass you made of yourself.  You can't see it now because your head is stuck too far 'up there'.  Cheers buddy :)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on December 22, 2022, 05:47:02 AM
So there you go. Apparently even Mueller’s explanation couldn’t penetrate the solidified woke indoctrination in our fellow displaced American. Damn those LSD!

Thanks for your service anyway fella!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 22, 2022, 12:45:53 PM
So there you go. Apparently even Mueller’s explanation couldn’t penetrate the solidified woke indoctrination in our fellow displaced American. Damn those LSD!

Thanks for your service anyway fella!


Maybe that was the problem, essentially a chemical lobotomy.  :laugh: :laugh:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on December 23, 2022, 07:10:53 AM
So there you go. Apparently even Mueller’s explanation couldn’t penetrate the solidified woke indoctrination in our fellow displaced American. Damn those LSD!

Thanks for your service anyway fella!

Maybe that was the problem, essentially a chemical lobotomy.  :laugh: :laugh:

Something anyway. Remembering the era of the CIA, ‘60s, hippies, LSD, (LMAO) and all the “CHAOS” in that period, mesuspects pre-Googling CNN’er BC once volunteered to a secret ‘initiative’ study along with a dude named ‘Charlie’.

Fascinating how excluding himself, everyone else including Robert Mueller, sees the color pale but our Googling hero is convinced everyone else is nutty because he sees ‘tangerine trees and marmalade skies’.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on December 23, 2022, 09:11:50 PM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/12/23/poll-trump-holds-24-point-lead-in-hypothetical-2024-republican-primary/

Poll: Trump Holds 24-Point Lead in Hypothetical 2024 Republican Primary:

2024 National Republican Primary:

Trump 51% (+24)
DeSantis 27%
Pence 10%
Cruz 4%
Haley 4%
Cheney 3%
Sununu 1%
Youngkin 1%

###
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on January 08, 2023, 02:08:51 PM
Gentlemen,

You are all more than capable of debating without resorting to name calling or ad hominem attacks.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 08, 2023, 08:34:53 PM
Gentlemen,

You are all more than capable of debating without resorting to name calling or ad hominem attacks.


Was that a delayed reaction or what?  :laugh:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 09, 2023, 02:16:18 PM
Quote

"Finally, we will get down to the people's business of stealing all their money for our pet projects, making backroom deals, and holding meaningless investigations where we yell and point angrily at people to get some sweet sound bytes for our reelections," said McCarthy to the assembled warmongers, rapists, and half-dead geriatrics in the room."


https://babylonbee.com/news/after-15-grueling-house-speaker-votes-americas-long-national-nightmare-can-finally-begin
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on January 09, 2023, 04:22:43 PM
Gentlemen,

You are all more than capable of debating without resorting to name calling or ad hominem attacks.


Was that a delayed reaction or what?  :laugh:

I've had some personal issues that has kept me
from participating as frequently at the forum as
I did previously.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 09, 2023, 05:16:26 PM
Gentlemen,

You are all more than capable of debating without resorting to name calling or ad hominem attacks.


Was that a delayed reaction or what?  :laugh:

I've had some personal issues that has kept me
from participating as frequently at the forum as
I did previously.


Hope everything is okay.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 10, 2023, 07:23:28 PM
President Trump promises to use the full force of the US military against Mexican drug cartels when he is reelected (for a 3rd time!). Wimpy guys won't like that.  :laugh:

https://www.theepochtimes.com/trump-vows-to-wage-war-on-mexican-drug-cartels-with-full-force-of-us-military_4966425.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11603625/Trump-vows-use-NAVY-blockades-wage-war-drug-cartels.html
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on January 16, 2023, 05:14:33 PM
Hope everything is okay.  :thumbsup:

I'll send you a PM
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 24, 2023, 04:03:06 PM
You just cannot make this stuff up! LOL!  :laugh: :laugh:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ex-fbi-official-involved-trump-183649903.html
Title: President Trump Campaign Speech in New Hampshire
Post by: Contrarian on January 28, 2023, 05:00:50 PM
President Trump gave great speeches today, both in New Hampshire and in South Carolina. The audiences were really pumped up and excited, he was calm and right on message.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-appears-take-aim-potential-2024-gop-rivals-doesnt-have-much-competition


I wonder did 2tallbill or any other Americans watch these speeches besides me?
Title: President Trump Campaign Speech in New Hampshire
Post by: 2tallbill on January 30, 2023, 12:31:20 PM
President Trump gave great speeches today, both in New Hampshire and in South Carolina. The audiences were really pumped up and excited, he was calm and right on message.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-appears-take-aim-potential-2024-gop-rivals-doesnt-have-much-competition


I wonder did 2tallbill or any other Americans watch these speeches besides me?

I didn't watch them. I haven't wrapped my head around the idea that it's
presidential primary time yet. Trump is the only one that has announced.
Biden got hamstringed by the deep state, with his classified docs. Although
Biden has said he intends to run, his official announcement continues getting
delayed. The press has started to be slightly critical of him at times. No Dem
can survive even a slightly critical press.

Biden isn't going to be able to run from his basement this time, besides he
might have have secret docs there.

Nobody else in the GOP has announced yet. I would far prefer DeSantis than
Trump, but I prefer Trump to anyone the Dem's have.

The GOP

Mike Pence:    Exciting as babushka panties
Mike Pompeo: GOP Swamp creature
Nikki Haley:    VP potential at best
Kristi Noem:    VP potential at best
Chris Sununu:  GOP Swamp creature

Title: Re: President Trump Campaign Speech in New Hampshire
Post by: Contrarian on January 30, 2023, 01:53:31 PM
President Trump gave great speeches today, both in New Hampshire and in South Carolina. The audiences were really pumped up and excited, he was calm and right on message.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-appears-take-aim-potential-2024-gop-rivals-doesnt-have-much-competition


I wonder did 2tallbill or any other Americans watch these speeches besides me?

I didn't watch them. I haven't wrapped my head around the idea that it's
presidential primary time yet. Trump is the only one that has announced.
Biden got hamstringed by the deep state, with his classified docs. Although
Biden has said he intends to run, his official announcement continues getting
delayed. The press has started to be slightly critical of him at times. No Dem
can survive even a slightly critical press.

Biden isn't going to be able to run from his basement this time, besides he
might have have secret docs there.

Nobody else in the GOP has announced yet. I would far prefer DeSantis than
Trump, but I prefer Trump to anyone the Dem's have.

The GOP

Mike Pence:    Exciting as babushka panties
Mike Pompeo: GOP Swamp creature
Nikki Haley:    VP potential at best
Kristi Noem:    VP potential at best
Chris Sununu:  GOP Swamp creature


Some Babushka's are only 40 something years old.

And the average FSU woman at that age looks pretty good compared to what is over here!  :laugh:

Nikki Haley is a swamp creature in my book.  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: President Trump Campaign Speech in New Hampshire
Post by: Texan77 on January 30, 2023, 02:56:48 PM



Mike Pence:    Exciting as babushka panties
Mike Pompeo: GOP Swamp creature
Nikki Haley:    VP potential at best
Kristi Noem:    VP potential at best
Chris Sununu:  GOP Swamp creature

Which of these candidates would you vote for if they were running against Joe Biden? The GOP will win if they just get rid of Trump and the Nazis.
Title: Re: President Trump Campaign Speech in New Hampshire
Post by: mhr7 on January 30, 2023, 03:32:42 PM



Mike Pence:    Exciting as babushka panties
Mike Pompeo: GOP Swamp creature
Nikki Haley:    VP potential at best
Kristi Noem:    VP potential at best
Chris Sununu:  GOP Swamp creature


Which of these candidates would you vote for if they were running against Joe Biden? The GOP will win if they just get rid of Trump and the Nazis.

I agree, the GOP can win but Trump isn't the guy. I'm not even sure if Desantis is either. The GOP needs a moderate, I don't think the country wants another right wing asshat.
Title: Re: President Trump Campaign Speech in New Hampshire
Post by: 2tallbill on January 30, 2023, 04:15:57 PM

1. Which of these candidates would you vote for if they were running against Joe Biden?
2. The GOP will win if they just get rid of Trump and the Nazis.

1. DeSantis
2. Nazi's are left wing radicals, there are zero of them in the GOP.
Title: Re: President Trump Campaign Speech in New Hampshire
Post by: 2tallbill on January 30, 2023, 04:19:43 PM
I agree, the GOP can win but Trump isn't the guy. I'm not even sure if Desantis is either. The GOP needs a moderate, I don't think the country wants another right wing asshat.

Liberals don't get to pick GOP presidential candidates. The Dem's need to pick
a moderate, but they won't. Anyone/everyone can beat Biden.
Title: Re: President Trump Campaign Speech in New Hampshire
Post by: mhr7 on January 30, 2023, 05:01:45 PM
I agree, the GOP can win but Trump isn't the guy. I'm not even sure if Desantis is either. The GOP needs a moderate, I don't think the country wants another right wing asshat.

Liberals don't get to pick GOP presidential candidates. The Dem's need to pick
a moderate, but they won't. Anyone/everyone can beat Biden.

Trump didn't beat Biden, don't underestimate him.
Title: Re: President Trump Campaign Speech in New Hampshire
Post by: Contrarian on January 30, 2023, 06:09:30 PM
I agree, the GOP can win but Trump isn't the guy. I'm not even sure if Desantis is either. The GOP needs a moderate, I don't think the country wants another right wing asshat.

Liberals don't get to pick GOP presidential candidates. The Dem's need to pick
a moderate, but they won't. Anyone/everyone can beat Biden.

Trump didn't beat Biden, don't underestimate him.


Yes he did.

Just because we have a bunch of Stalins counting votes and working for the media doesn't change the outcome.

Once we get rid of the nazi's on the left this country can get back to being great.  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: President Trump Campaign Speech in New Hampshire
Post by: Contrarian on January 30, 2023, 06:11:22 PM

1. Which of these candidates would you vote for if they were running against Joe Biden?
2. The GOP will win if they just get rid of Trump and the Nazis.

Nazi's are left wing radicals, there are zero of them in the GOP.



Word.

Too bad so many sheep like mhr think that normal people are "right wing blah blah blah".

That is the result of extensive cradle to grave indoctrination and propaganda.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 30, 2023, 06:38:18 PM
Grow up Contrarian.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 30, 2023, 11:19:10 PM
Grow up Contrarian.

You're the guy who votes for a party which thinks there are more than two genders.

Not only that, they think it's acceptable to give children drugs to change their gender.

On top of this, they think that a man pretending to be a woman and ruining women's sports is progress.

They also think it's progress to release hardened criminals without paying bail back into society.

You're not only beyond growing up, you're mentally incapable of discerning normal reality.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on January 31, 2023, 12:40:18 AM
Grow up Contrarian.

You're the guy who votes for a party which thinks there are more than two genders.

Not only that, they think it's acceptable to give children drugs to change their gender.

On top of this, they think that a man pretending to be a woman and ruining women's sports is progress.

They also think it's progress to release hardened criminals without paying bail back into society.

You're not only beyond growing up, you're mentally incapable of discerning normal reality.

If republicans do not appeal to mid-stream voters, the dems will win again. Enough people see the Nazis of America worse than all the above policies would be. Putin is what happens when you have a Nazi in control and just watch what happens to Russia over the next ten years as Russia returns to what it was before it was friendly with the west.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on January 31, 2023, 12:46:05 AM
I"d vote for Tim. Loved his common sense, common ground speech
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 31, 2023, 09:17:40 AM
I"d vote for Tim. Loved his common sense, common ground speech


Tim who? Who are you talking about?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 31, 2023, 09:36:57 AM
Grow up Contrarian.

You're the guy who votes for a party which thinks there are more than two genders.

Not only that, they think it's acceptable to give children drugs to change their gender.

On top of this, they think that a man pretending to be a woman and ruining women's sports is progress.

They also think it's progress to release hardened criminals without paying bail back into society.

You're not only beyond growing up, you're mentally incapable of discerning normal reality.

Do you have proof that the Democratic party believes these things? Don't tell me what I believe, you don't know me.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 31, 2023, 09:51:00 AM
I should not need to dig out proof for each obvious point which I made. You should know what your party stands for. However your lack of knowledge is typical.

Here is a statement from the White House, talking about "rights" for transgender children. What they're not telling you is that there are evil people who confuse children, who are not old enough to decide, that they might be "transgender". This is usually done without the knowledge of the parents. Then if these evil people can sow seeds of doubt into a child's mind, they can turn the child over to a medical corporation which will use chemicals to castrate a boy. The same chemicals are given to men in prison who raped someone, and the judge declares that the rapist must be castrated. Those chemicals cause permanent damage to the boy, damage which cannot be changed. Much of these actions are done against the objections of the parents. This is essentially medical experimentation on children, for the profit of large corporations. They don't really know what these drugs do to children but they proceed under the guise that the parent does not know best, but the for profit corporation and the handlers do.

You say I don't know what you believe? It's you who votes for a party, apparently without a clue of what you're voting for. Get an education. Then grow up.


https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/03/31/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-advances-equality-and-visibility-for-transgender-americans/


https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/parents-just-lost-custody-teenage-daughter-who-wants-transition-boy-what-you-need
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 31, 2023, 10:25:39 AM
I should not need to dig out proof for each obvious point which I made. You should know what your party stands for. However your lack of knowledge is typical.

Here is a statement from the White House, talking about "rights" for transgender children. What they're not telling you is that there are evil people who confuse children, who are not old enough to decide, that they might be "transgender". This is usually done without the knowledge of the parents. Then if these evil people can sow seeds of doubt into a child's mind, they can turn the child over to a medical corporation which will use chemicals to castrate a boy. The same chemicals are given to men in prison who raped someone, and the judge declares that the rapist must be castrated. Those chemicals cause permanent damage to the boy, damage which cannot be changed. Much of these actions are done against the objections of the parents. This is essentially medical experimentation on children, for the profit of large corporations. They don't really know what these drugs do to children but they proceed under the guise that the parent does not know best, but the for profit corporation and the handlers do.

You say I don't know what you believe? It's you who votes for a party, apparently without a clue of what you're voting for. Get an education. Then grow up.


https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/03/31/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-advances-equality-and-visibility-for-transgender-americans/


https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/parents-just-lost-custody-teenage-daughter-who-wants-transition-boy-what-you-need


Books at school, indoctrinating children. Isn't that great?  :sick0012:

https://www.familyequality.org/family-support/lgbtq-books/early-elementary/?gclid=CjwKCAiAleOeBhBdEiwAfgmXfwu_QHjhYL6opy6BoZZSsh2A-oVzS0HBHWLBA3hAiObE9NPLUk3YohoC51UQAvD_BwE
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 31, 2023, 10:28:25 AM
I should not need to dig out proof for each obvious point which I made. You should know what your party stands for. However your lack of knowledge is typical.

Here is a statement from the White House, talking about "rights" for transgender children. What they're not telling you is that there are evil people who confuse children, who are not old enough to decide, that they might be "transgender". This is usually done without the knowledge of the parents. Then if these evil people can sow seeds of doubt into a child's mind, they can turn the child over to a medical corporation which will use chemicals to castrate a boy. The same chemicals are given to men in prison who raped someone, and the judge declares that the rapist must be castrated. Those chemicals cause permanent damage to the boy, damage which cannot be changed. Much of these actions are done against the objections of the parents. This is essentially medical experimentation on children, for the profit of large corporations. They don't really know what these drugs do to children but they proceed under the guise that the parent does not know best, but the for profit corporation and the handlers do.

You say I don't know what you believe? It's you who votes for a party, apparently without a clue of what you're voting for. Get an education. Then grow up.


https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/03/31/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-advances-equality-and-visibility-for-transgender-americans/


https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/parents-just-lost-custody-teenage-daughter-who-wants-transition-boy-what-you-need


Books at school, indoctrinating children. Isn't that great?  :sick0012:

https://www.familyequality.org/family-support/lgbtq-books/early-elementary/?gclid=CjwKCAiAleOeBhBdEiwAfgmXfwu_QHjhYL6opy6BoZZSsh2A-oVzS0HBHWLBA3hAiObE9NPLUk3YohoC51UQAvD_BwE


Criminals released without paying bail, being done by Democratic District Attorneys.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-04/gop-seizes-on-bail-reform-as-weapon-to-bash-democrats-on-crime
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 31, 2023, 10:31:52 AM
Republicans attempt to protect biological women in sports at college from males who say they are "transgender".

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/republicans-aim-make-protecting-female-sports-biological-male-transgender-athletes-election-issue
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on January 31, 2023, 12:03:17 PM
I"d vote for Tim. Loved his common sense, common ground speech



Tim who? Who are you talking about?

https://eu.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2021/04/29/gop-response-biden-and-democrats-pulling-us-apart/4884661001/

Watch the whole vid.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on January 31, 2023, 12:08:38 PM
I"d vote for Tim. Loved his common sense, common ground speech



Tim who? Who are you talking about?

https://eu.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2021/04/29/gop-response-biden-and-democrats-pulling-us-apart/4884661001/

Watch the whole vid.

Im stuck on mobile phone. This vid is much more powerful in whole, not this cut version.

Better vid
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on January 31, 2023, 12:18:26 PM
Books at school, indoctrinating children. Isn't that great?  :sick0012:

Too late. Liberals already established various platform of early indoctrination. What better way to do it then force feed them with a deluge of western media propaganda.

https://newsforkids.net/

https://www.timeforkids.com/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/kidspost/

https://www.nbcnews.com/nightlykids

Just to spot a few...
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 31, 2023, 12:52:36 PM
I"d vote for Tim. Loved his common sense, common ground speech



Tim who? Who are you talking about?

https://eu.usatoday.com/videos/news/nation/2021/04/29/gop-response-biden-and-democrats-pulling-us-apart/4884661001/

Watch the whole vid.


Thank you.

Although Tim Scott is well liked, I don't think he wants to run for President.

He's a good guy as you noticed.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on January 31, 2023, 01:15:59 PM
If republicans do not appeal to mid-stream voters, the dems will win again. Enough people see the Nazis of America worse than all the above policies would be. Putin is what happens when you have a Nazi in control and just watch what happens to Russia over the next ten years as Russia returns to what it was before it was friendly with the west.

Is English your native language? It's mine and I have no idea what you are trying
to say.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on January 31, 2023, 04:44:29 PM
I should not need to dig out proof for each obvious point which I made. You should know what your party stands for. However your lack of knowledge is typical.

Here is a statement from the White House, talking about "rights" for transgender children. What they're not telling you is that there are evil people who confuse children, who are not old enough to decide, that they might be "transgender". This is usually done without the knowledge of the parents. Then if these evil people can sow seeds of doubt into a child's mind, they can turn the child over to a medical corporation which will use chemicals to castrate a boy. The same chemicals are given to men in prison who raped someone, and the judge declares that the rapist must be castrated. Those chemicals cause permanent damage to the boy, damage which cannot be changed. Much of these actions are done against the objections of the parents. This is essentially medical experimentation on children, for the profit of large corporations. They don't really know what these drugs do to children but they proceed under the guise that the parent does not know best, but the for profit corporation and the handlers do.

You say I don't know what you believe? It's you who votes for a party, apparently without a clue of what you're voting for. Get an education. Then grow up.


https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/03/31/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-advances-equality-and-visibility-for-transgender-americans/


https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/parents-just-lost-custody-teenage-daughter-who-wants-transition-boy-what-you-need

Let me educate you; I'm an independent moderate with liberal leanings who is conservative on many social issues. Understand? I don't like Trump and in general, I don't like the GOP but I would vote for a republican if I thought they were the best person for the job.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 31, 2023, 06:33:14 PM
I should not need to dig out proof for each obvious point which I made. You should know what your party stands for. However your lack of knowledge is typical.

Here is a statement from the White House, talking about "rights" for transgender children. What they're not telling you is that there are evil people who confuse children, who are not old enough to decide, that they might be "transgender". This is usually done without the knowledge of the parents. Then if these evil people can sow seeds of doubt into a child's mind, they can turn the child over to a medical corporation which will use chemicals to castrate a boy. The same chemicals are given to men in prison who raped someone, and the judge declares that the rapist must be castrated. Those chemicals cause permanent damage to the boy, damage which cannot be changed. Much of these actions are done against the objections of the parents. This is essentially medical experimentation on children, for the profit of large corporations. They don't really know what these drugs do to children but they proceed under the guise that the parent does not know best, but the for profit corporation and the handlers do.

You say I don't know what you believe? It's you who votes for a party, apparently without a clue of what you're voting for. Get an education. Then grow up.


https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/03/31/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-advances-equality-and-visibility-for-transgender-americans/


https://www.heritage.org/gender/commentary/parents-just-lost-custody-teenage-daughter-who-wants-transition-boy-what-you-need

Let me educate you; I'm an independent moderate with liberal leanings who is conservative on many social issues. Understand? I don't like Trump and in general, I don't like the GOP but I would vote for a republican if I thought they were the best person for the job.


Translation: You voted for Biden and you're trying to justify it.  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on February 03, 2023, 07:37:05 AM
It's early still, time for some humor.  :chuckle:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QiyRqGelufo
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on February 19, 2023, 07:56:08 PM
Trump poll focuses on 5 key states needed to win in 2024.

Quote

"As Donald Trump builds out a presidential-campaign-in-waiting, his team is focusing on an electoral strategy that relies on recapturing the five states that flipped to Joe Biden in 2020.

The five states — Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — delivered a total of 73 electoral votes in 2020, enough to produce a decisive Electoral College victory for Biden. Since then, Trump has held four rallies, endorsed dozens of candidates and played a key role in shaping contests that could put his allies in top offices in those states in 2024."


https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/23/trump-2024-map-523230
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on February 19, 2023, 08:11:05 PM
In a recent poll, Trump beats Biden 46 percent to 41 percent.


https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3863637-trump-beats-biden-harris-in-2024-matchups-poll/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on February 20, 2023, 02:53:40 AM
Far too early to even think much about 2024

I do agree with NH's statement, though:

“We’ve lost the popular vote in 7 of the last 8 presidential elections,”
 “Our cause is right, but we have failed to win the confidence of a majority of Americans.”

Until the GOP can win a presidential election without crutches, it'll hobble around.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on February 20, 2023, 09:30:14 AM
In a recent poll, Trump beats Biden 46 percent to 41 percent.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3863637-trump-beats-biden-harris-in-2024-matchups-poll/

This could well be because Trump was scheduled to go to E. Palestine, OHIO due to the environmental catastrophe it suffered and are suffering. Whereas, Biden never even remotely considered visiting the disaster as the leader/president of this nation.

Instead, he's in Ukraine...go figure.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on February 20, 2023, 09:49:08 AM
In a recent poll, Trump beats Biden 46 percent to 41 percent.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3863637-trump-beats-biden-harris-in-2024-matchups-poll/

This could well be because Trump was scheduled to go to E. Palestine, OHIO due to the environmental catastrophe it suffered and are suffering. Whereas, Biden never even remotely considered visiting the disaster as the leader/president of this nation.

Instead, he's in Ukraine...go figure.


The money laundering organization in Ukraine pays better....
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on February 20, 2023, 10:19:56 AM
That's pretty cheeky Contrarian  :laugh:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on February 20, 2023, 10:22:00 AM
In a recent poll, Trump beats Biden 46 percent to 41 percent.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3863637-trump-beats-biden-harris-in-2024-matchups-poll/

This could well be because Trump was scheduled to go to E. Palestine, OHIO due to the environmental catastrophe it suffered and are suffering. Whereas, Biden never even remotely considered visiting the disaster as the leader/president of this nation.

Instead, he's in Ukraine...go figure.

Trump gonna throw some paper towels to the needy again?  Or blame everyone else for nixing additional brakes for HAZMAT trains?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on February 20, 2023, 11:24:06 AM
That's pretty cheeky Contrarian  :laugh:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fpa9qMNaYAI7A-W?format=jpg&name=small)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpZ_HkYWcAIeg8r?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on February 20, 2023, 11:30:32 AM
In a recent poll, Trump beats Biden 46 percent to 41 percent.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3863637-trump-beats-biden-harris-in-2024-matchups-poll/

This could well be because Trump was scheduled to go to E. Palestine, OHIO due to the environmental catastrophe it suffered and are suffering. Whereas, Biden never even remotely considered visiting the disaster as the leader/president of this nation.

Instead, he's in Ukraine...go figure.

Trump gonna throw some paper towels to the needy again?  Or blame everyone else for nixing additional brakes for HAZMAT trains?


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpagGyGXoAEycII?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on February 20, 2023, 11:55:17 AM
That's pretty cheeky Contrarian  :laugh:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fpa9qMNaYAI7A-W?format=jpg&name=small)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FpZ_HkYWcAIeg8r?format=jpg&name=medium)

 :ROFL:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on February 20, 2023, 12:17:30 PM

Trump gonna throw some paper towels to the needy again?  Or blame everyone else for nixing additional brakes for HAZMAT trains?

OY! A bona fide CNNer, aren't you? It has nothing to do with the brakes. Do some reading of actual news. I heard a liberal talking head  got verbally smacked on TV yesterday for uttering that silly lame material.

But, you're in Italy after all...

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on February 22, 2023, 01:27:45 PM
President Trump arrived for a visit in East Palestine, Ohio today. He told the crowd that "You are not forgotten" and he stopped at McDonalds to purchase lunch for all of the Firefighters, who he also handed out hats to those who wanted one.

Quote

"Trump spoke to a small group of local leaders, first responders and the media at the local fire station. He said he is donating thousands of bottles of cleaning supplies and pallets of bottled water to the area that were collected through his Trump organizations."

https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/east-palestine-train-derailment/trump-comes-to-east-palestine-what-we-know/


https://twitter.com/afbranco/status/1627793252765270016?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on February 22, 2023, 01:46:05 PM
Whoa!

Kavenaugh accuser confesses that she lied, was not raped and never met the man? Lying to Congress is a felony!


https://thebeltwayreport.com/2023/02/p6203/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on February 22, 2023, 02:06:55 PM
Whoa!

Kavenaugh accuser confesses that she lied, was not raped and never met the man? Lying to Congress is a felony!


https://thebeltwayreport.com/2023/02/p6203/

Not a big deal, if true...the only person I know who bought into that chapter hook, line and sinker was BC anyway. But he lives in Italy so he has an excuse...
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on February 25, 2023, 09:01:24 AM
 :chuckle:


Biden/Harris 2024!!!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on February 25, 2023, 11:20:10 AM
Not a big deal, if true...the only person I know who bought into that chapter hook, line and sinker was BC anyway. But he lives in Italy so he has an excuse...

Surely you can back up your words?  What did I say? do tell...
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on February 26, 2023, 09:52:22 AM
Not a big deal, if true...the only person I know who bought into that chapter hook, line and sinker was BC anyway. But he lives in Italy so he has an excuse...

The left doesn't want pipelines, and they want to blame the train companies
for their spills and derailments, but most of all they desire to blame Trump.

The left and Team Biden has forced 162,000 barrels of crude oil per day onto
the rail lines. It's stupid because trains derail and spill more than pipelines do.
It also increases wear and tear on the rail lines throughout the USA and it
brings dangerous petrochemicals directly into cities especially into poor
neighborhoods. Pipeline are routed around cities.

The Wacko left accuse Trump of removing some of the onerous Obama regulations
on rail roads. Yet Biden oversaw the largest strike threat in recent modern railroad
history deciding that no additional regulations were needed at this time.

Biden spoiled his opportunity to correct any wrongs caused by Trump so he
now owns this derailment.

Politico December 2, 2022
Biden signs law bringing rail strike saga to an end
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/12/02/biden-brings-rail-saga-to-close-in-signing-ceremony-00071907

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 03, 2023, 10:19:36 PM
Bill, the lefty's are mentally ill borderline retards and they know it!

Ted Nugent says why he will vote for Trump!!

Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on March 04, 2023, 03:03:46 PM
Bill, the lefty's are mentally ill borderline retards and they know it!

Ted Nugent says why he will vote for Trump!!



I like Ted Nugent. Trump shoots himself in the foot or ass, then reloads and does
it again. Take John McCain for example. John McCain was a total Rino and part
of the problem with our never ending wars and screwing up everything just so
he could be a media darling aka the "Maverick" for a week. Trump
questioned whether he was a hero and Trump never had anyone on Earth
that he trusted to tell him to stop shooting and he would stop. That is
why I don't want Trump to run again.

John McCain was awarded the Silver Star, two Legion of Merits, Distinguished
Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Purple Hearts, two Navy and Marine
Corps Commendation Medals, and the Prisoner of War Medal.

There are at least a dozen people, I know that if they told me to shut up
and put my dick away, I would do it without asking, knowing they were
telling me to do so exclusively for my benefit. Trump has zero people
like that and never will.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 04, 2023, 06:52:45 PM
Trump just gave an awesome speech at CPAC 2023. He is by far in the lead to become the nominee.
He won the CPAC poll with about 63% for him, perhaps 20% for Ron DeSantis and then a few percent for the remaining.

Not sure what you're talking about 2tallbill, I think you are living in the past maybe. Trump seems to have matured.


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on March 05, 2023, 07:11:25 AM
No DT for me for the exact same reason TTB mentioned. That, plus he wanted to not only bombed Mexico (lol) he also wanted to completely pull all the troops out of Afghanistan before the inauguration just for spite. What a doozy that was!  :chuckle: :chuckle:

Instead, it’s Biden/Harris 2024 for me. I’m so amped!!

BC was absolutely right in 2020. This was the fastest way to really phuck this country up, baby! I’m so excited that I plan to be at the poll early hopeful to run into BC there and give him a thunderous, US-special high 5 in helping pave the way to destroy this country.

Or if he stays in Italy where he lives because he loves the US so much he votes from elsewhere phucking the country up. Then sits back in Italy and talks about how it’s so much better in Italy and how phucked up it is in the US, lol, for the ensuing years. Arguably the zaniest thing you’ll see in the internet.

I might even join these snowflakes mail multiple mail-in ballots each day for the entire election month, for, you guessed it - Biden/Harris 2024!!!

Destroying our country together!!! Hip, hip Hooray!! The RED, THE WHITE, THE DOODOO!!!

Biden/Harris 2024!!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 05, 2023, 11:31:59 AM
Here is my favorite part of President Trump's CPAC 2023 speech:


"I am your warrior, I am your justice.....I am your retribution."   


Yea baby. America First, it isn't complicated. That's what Americans want!!  :popcorn:


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 05, 2023, 02:53:23 PM
Retribution? Gut the FBI. First shut it down, fire every SOB working there, and then re-interview every single one of them. I reckon at least 40% of them have Communist sympathies and should be at the very least, unemployed.


FBI has (allegedly) been protecting their "assets" who pretended to be Trump supporters and were part of the January 6th "Insurrection". Anyone with a brain knows that it was not an insurrection, it's just a way for "the powers that be" to warn you what happens when you question their tyranny. What they did is called entrapment. Each and every defendant or person already convicted in that sham and abuse of power should be immediately released!

Quote

"The Boston office initially opened cases on two individuals that “definitive evidence” showed were in restricted areas of the Capitol, Hill said. Because those individuals organized the buses to D.C., the WFO wanted cases opened on every individual on the bus.

Boston’s Supervisory Special Agent (SSA) declined to open cases on everyone who went to D.C. because they were “going to a political rally, which is First Amendment protected activity,” according to Hill."

The FBI’s Washington Field Office requested the Boston Field Office open investigations into 140 individuals who took buses from Massachusetts to D.C. on Jan. 6., but denied the office’s request to see video proving those individuals were inside the Capitol, FBI whistleblower George Hill said during a Feb. 10 interview with the House Select Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government. The office claimed they needed to “protect” the identity of possible undercover agents, according to Hill."

https://truthpress.com/news/fbi-shielded-identities-of-undercover-assets-who-may-have-been-inside-capitol-on-jan-6-whistleblower-says/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 06, 2023, 09:36:05 PM
Honest folks of this forum: watch this video and compare the truths revealed to how it looked on the edited Marxist version which was broadcast. Shame, shame, shame.

What really happened on January 6th.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 06, 2023, 10:47:56 PM
More of what really happened on January 6, with other commenatary. At 21 minutes in is proof that the radical left-wing democrats lied about Officer Siknik. He was alive and well, contrary to their malicious lies. He did not die of a head injury.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 06, 2023, 11:13:28 PM
More of what really happened on January 6, with other commenatary. At 21 minutes in is proof that the radical left-wing democrats lied about Officer Siknik. He was alive and well, contrary to their malicious lies. He did not die of a head injury.



The radical left-wing Demon rats are just that -- evil unscrupulous scumbags, whose dishonesty and willingness to lie to the American public for political gain knows no bounds.

Officer Sicknick (pardon, I misspelled his name above) died of natural causes, the day after the Demon rats told bold-faced lies to the American people.


https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/19/brian-sicknick-died-of-natural-causes-after-capitol-riot-medical-examiner-rules.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on March 07, 2023, 03:11:33 AM
When Tucker Carlson says on his show “[r]emember the facts of the story; these are undisputed" no reasonable person would believe that he was about to state facts. At least, that was Tucker Carlson's own argument in defending himself from a libel suit.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 07, 2023, 06:29:38 AM
When Tucker Carlson says on his show “[r]emember the facts of the story; these are undisputed" no reasonable person would believe that he was about to state facts. At least, that was Tucker Carlson's own argument in defending himself from a libel suit.


What is in the videos is self-evident and speaks the truth all by itself; opinions of leftist-whack jobs from the peanut gallery notwithstanding.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on March 07, 2023, 06:50:45 AM
Honest folks of this forum: watch this video and compare the truths revealed to how it looked on the edited Marxist version which was broadcast. Shame, shame, shame.

What really happened on January 6th.


What really happened in Jan 6th?!? WTF!!! What’s been happening to our country for well over a decade now!!! 45’s entire term had been nothing but a blatant stream of well orchestrated political assault on a duly elected president and Constitution.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on March 07, 2023, 06:56:26 AM
When Tucker Carlson says on his show “[r]emember the facts of the story; these are undisputed" no reasonable person would believe that he was about to state facts. At least, that was Tucker Carlson's own argument in defending himself from a libel suit.

And right on cue BC rears his head again to desperately deflect and deny what is undoubtedly hitting him head-on. 40,000 hours of surveillance footages mostly showing Democrat cronyism and he’s here grasping at straws.

Biden/Harris 2024!!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on March 07, 2023, 09:21:22 AM
Tucker Carlson in the video: "These are not rioters; these are people who wandered over from a political rally."

What he fails to state is, while some rioted, that each one of them was trespassing. 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 07, 2023, 09:35:34 AM
Tucker Carlson in the video: "These are not rioters; these are people who wandered over from a political rally."

What he fails to state is, while some rioted, that each one of them was trespassing.


False. There were Capitol Police officers who opened doors for them to come in.

To later complain about that and to falsely accuse them of trespassing is called entrapment.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 07, 2023, 10:49:26 AM
When Tucker Carlson says on his show “[r]emember the facts of the story; these are undisputed" no reasonable person would believe that he was about to state facts. At least, that was Tucker Carlson's own argument in defending himself from a libel suit.

And right on cue BC rears his head again to desperately deflect and deny what is undoubtedly hitting him head-on. 40,000 hours of surveillance footages mostly showing Democrat cronyism and he’s here grasping at straws.

Biden/Harris 2024!!!!


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqnxiJbWYAUYS3M?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on March 07, 2023, 02:42:26 PM
More than 950 January 6th defendants are in jail, it's hard to argue with that fact but some here will argue it anyway. Trump will not get the Republican nomination regardless of what the CPAC straw poll shows. CPAC was poorly attended, poorly sponsored and full of MAGA morons. Even Fox News skipped it.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on March 07, 2023, 04:16:31 PM
Tucker Carlson in the video: "These are not rioters; these are people who wandered over from a political rally."

What he fails to state is, while some rioted, that each one of them was trespassing.

To be fair, I just saw a clip of that Shaman guy being walked around the building by security, who were showing him all the rooms. It looked like a peaceful stroll with a buddy more than anything else.

It looks a bit ridiculous and not how the story was told.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 07, 2023, 07:25:46 PM
Tucker Carlson in the video: "These are not rioters; these are people who wandered over from a political rally."

What he fails to state is, while some rioted, that each one of them was trespassing.

To be fair, I just saw a clip of that Shaman guy being walked around the building by security, who were showing him all the rooms. It looked like a peaceful stroll with a buddy more than anything else.

It looks a bit ridiculous and not how the story was told.

The vast majority of the persons in the Capitol committed no crimes of vandalism or otherwise except for merely being there, after being waved in by officers near an open door.

Here is a generic definition of entrapment (I've placed a more conclusive link down below):

An affirmative defense in which a defendant alleges that a law enforcement agent or agent of the state acquired the evidence necessary to commence prosecution of the defendant by inducing the defendant to engage in a criminal act that the defendant would not otherwise have committed.

The Shaman is a very mild mannered character who thought he was on an escorted tour of the Capitol, which he really was. He also made a prayer in the rotunda thanking the officers. Of course that and most footage was withheld from the kangaroo court for January 6th made up of Trump haters.

This same committee claimed that the flags protestors were carrying were weapons -- there were no other "weapons" found on them.


https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-645-entrapment-elements
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on March 07, 2023, 09:38:15 PM
WASHINGTON — Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and other Senate Republicans lashed out at conservative Fox News host Tucker Carlson on Tuesday after he characterized the deadly Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol as "mostly peaceful chaos."

At a GOP leadership news conference, McConnell, R-Ky., said he wanted to align himself with the letter sent to the U.S. Capitol Police force by Capitol Police Chief Thomas Manger, who denounced Carlson for spreading “offensive and misleading conclusions” about the insurrection on Jan. 6, 2021, including a “disturbing accusation” that Officer Brian Sicknick’s death had nothing to do with the riot.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/bulls-gop-senators-rebuke-tucker-214720655.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 07, 2023, 10:39:34 PM
WASHINGTON — Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and other Senate Republicans lashed out at conservative Fox News host Tucker Carlson on Tuesday after he characterized the deadly Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol as "mostly peaceful chaos."

At a GOP leadership news conference, McConnell, R-Ky., said he wanted to align himself with the letter sent to the U.S. Capitol Police force by Capitol Police Chief Thomas Manger, who denounced Carlson for spreading “offensive and misleading conclusions” about the insurrection on Jan. 6, 2021, including a “disturbing accusation” that Officer Brian Sicknick’s death had nothing to do with the riot.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/bulls-gop-senators-rebuke-tucker-214720655.html


Mitch McConnell will likely go down in history as a traitor. We do not yet know all of his connections however I suspect he has many improper connections with China as well he may have colluded with the FBI against President Trump.

This is tonights episode of Tucker Carlson, featuring a former Capitol Hill Police officer with 22 years of service. At the start of the video there was a clip of Chuck Shumer making a fool of himself calling for censorship. Whether it's Shumer or two-face McConnell the American people can watch the videos and decide for themselves.


https://www.youtube.com/live/7UZ6LVanMEs?feature=share
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on March 08, 2023, 02:50:34 AM
The vast majority of the persons in the Capitol committed no crimes of vandalism or otherwise except for merely being there, after being waved in by officers near an open door.

We'll have our own opinions regarding Jan 6th and what exactly happened that day but what is clear, is that the footage was deliberately edited to show the events in the very worst light. Some would say intentionally exaggerated.

When we see what was available to them given the 1000's of hours of footage on tap, it's clear that they intended to create a tale of murder, mayhem and rioting, as opposed to proving a balanced account. It would have been the right thing to do but it wouldn't have had the same shock and awe impact, for the plebs watching.

You then ask why they would do that and what the benefit would be?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on March 08, 2023, 04:53:00 AM
More than 950 January 6th defendants are in jail, it's hard to argue with that fact but some here will argue it anyway. Trump will not get the Republican nomination regardless of what the CPAC straw poll shows. CPAC was poorly attended, poorly sponsored and full of MAGA morons. Even Fox News skipped it.

 :-\

Dunno who the more than 950 defendants are or what they’re in jail for, but if true that those charged of any wrong doing were denied access and use of these tapes to make a case for their defense, then the Democrats version of governance is literally no different than the government ran by the likes of Saddam Hussein.


Thanks largely to BC maybe even you for putting these numbnuts in charge!

Biden/Harris 2024!!!  4 more years!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on March 08, 2023, 05:06:52 AM
A bank robber is observed with a camera loitering outside the bank, going in the door past the security guard, asking for a restroom, filling out a slip of paper, and waiting patiently in line for a clerk.  He finally gets to the window, pulls a gun, she hands him the cash, and in a flash, he's out the door.  His two accomplices, that were just keeping a lookout, walk out normally and leave.

20 minutes of video, with only 1 minute of a criminal act.

You think this somehow lessens his crime? Should the accomplices not be charged because they did not do anything?

Some of the folks in the crowd outside at the capitol were not charged.  Those that trespassed and committed other crimes were charged.

Your peaceful QAnon shaman pled guilty and was sentenced to 41 months in prison for obstruction of an official proceeding.

No matter how you or Tucker Carlson portray this event, these folks weren't on a Capitol tour.  A world of difference from the tour I went on.  No one in my family was arrested or charged with a crime.

Criminal charges:

Approximately 326 defendants have been charged with assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers or employees, including approximately 106 individuals who have been charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to an officer.
Approximately 140 police officers were assaulted Jan. 6 at the Capitol, including about 80 from the U.S. Capitol Police and about 60 from the Metropolitan Police Department.
Approximately 11 individuals have been arrested on a series of charges that relate to assaulting a member of the media, or destroying their equipment, on Jan. 6.
Approximately 919 defendants have been charged with entering or remaining in a restricted federal building or grounds. Of those, 101 defendants have been charged with entering a restricted area with a dangerous or deadly weapon.
Approximately 61 defendants have been charged with destruction of government property, and approximately 46 defendants have been charged with theft of government property.
More than 306 defendants have been charged with corruptly obstructing, influencing, or impeding an official proceeding, or attempting to do so.
Approximately 55 defendants have been charged with conspiracy, either: (a) conspiracy to obstruct a congressional proceeding, (b) conspiracy to obstruct law enforcement during a civil disorder, (c) conspiracy to injure an officer, or (d) some combination of the three.


Sentencings:

Approximately 420 federal defendants have had their cases adjudicated and received sentences for their criminal activity on Jan. 6. Approximately 220 have been sentenced to periods of incarceration. Approximately 100 defendants have been sentenced to a period of home detention, including approximately 15 who also were sentenced to a period of incarceration.


https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/26-months-jan-6-attack-capitol

And let's not forget the dozen or so charged and convicted of seditious conspiracy, most found guilty and some guilty pleas.

The complete list here:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases

So there ya go, rosco and Bodine, your peaceful Capitol tour!

(https://i.postimg.cc/HsZ3bHzT/Screenshot-2023-03-08-at-13-03-08.jpg)


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on March 08, 2023, 05:47:15 AM
A bank robber is observed with a camera loitering outside the bank, going in the door past the security guard, asking for a restroom, filling out a slip of paper, and waiting patiently in line for a clerk.  He finally gets to the window, pulls a gun, she hands him the cash, and in a flash, he's out the door.  His two accomplices, that were just keeping a lookout, walk out normally and leave.

20 minutes of video, with only 1 minute of a criminal act.

You think this somehow lessens his crime? Should the accomplices not be charged because they did not do anything?

Some of the folks in the crowd outside at the capitol were not charged.  Those that trespassed and committed other crimes were charged.

Your peaceful QAnon shaman pled guilty and was sentenced to 41 months in prison for obstruction of an official proceeding.

No matter how you or Tucker Carlson portray this event, these folks weren't on a Capitol tour.  A world of difference from the tour I went on.  No one in my family was arrested or charged with a crime.

Criminal charges:

Approximately 326 defendants have been charged with assaulting, resisting, or impeding officers or employees, including approximately 106 individuals who have been charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon or causing serious bodily injury to an officer.
Approximately 140 police officers were assaulted Jan. 6 at the Capitol, including about 80 from the U.S. Capitol Police and about 60 from the Metropolitan Police Department.
Approximately 11 individuals have been arrested on a series of charges that relate to assaulting a member of the media, or destroying their equipment, on Jan. 6.
Approximately 919 defendants have been charged with entering or remaining in a restricted federal building or grounds. Of those, 101 defendants have been charged with entering a restricted area with a dangerous or deadly weapon.
Approximately 61 defendants have been charged with destruction of government property, and approximately 46 defendants have been charged with theft of government property.
More than 306 defendants have been charged with corruptly obstructing, influencing, or impeding an official proceeding, or attempting to do so.
Approximately 55 defendants have been charged with conspiracy, either: (a) conspiracy to obstruct a congressional proceeding, (b) conspiracy to obstruct law enforcement during a civil disorder, (c) conspiracy to injure an officer, or (d) some combination of the three.


Sentencings:

Approximately 420 federal defendants have had their cases adjudicated and received sentences for their criminal activity on Jan. 6. Approximately 220 have been sentenced to periods of incarceration. Approximately 100 defendants have been sentenced to a period of home detention, including approximately 15 who also were sentenced to a period of incarceration.


https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/26-months-jan-6-attack-capitol

And let's not forget the dozen or so charged and convicted of seditious conspiracy, most found guilty and some guilty pleas.

The complete list here:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases

So there ya go, rosco and Bodine, your peaceful Capitol tour!

(https://i.postimg.cc/HsZ3bHzT/Screenshot-2023-03-08-at-13-03-08.jpg)

Funny. Then why keep all of the captured video from the public? Why not let the constitutional process take its course. Why withhold access to them so legal representative can use them to make their case?

You do understand whatever garbage you’re providing and linking are the very same garbage Democrats would like for you to disseminate, right? At this time, everything in the government possession about this, and other matters circling DC, are scripted, orchestrated by the very same cronies you support. 

No different than the Kavanaugh appointment, Russian collusion, and all the crap you vehemently tried to defend in your support of these numbnuts.
Defending the indefensible. Phuck!

Biden/Harris 2024!!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on March 08, 2023, 06:35:18 AM
WASHINGTON — Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and other Senate Republicans lashed out at conservative Fox News host Tucker Carlson on Tuesday after he characterized the deadly Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol as "mostly peaceful chaos."

At a GOP leadership news conference, McConnell, R-Ky., said he wanted to align himself with the letter sent to the U.S. Capitol Police force by Capitol Police Chief Thomas Manger, who denounced Carlson for spreading “offensive and misleading conclusions” about the insurrection on Jan. 6, 2021, including a “disturbing accusation” that Officer Brian Sicknick’s death had nothing to do with the riot.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/bulls-gop-senators-rebuke-tucker-214720655.html


Mitch McConnell will likely go down in history as a traitor. We do not yet know all of his connections however I suspect he has many improper connections with China as well he may have colluded with the FBI against President Trump.

This is tonights episode of Tucker Carlson, featuring a former Capitol Hill Police officer with 22 years of service. At the start of the video there was a clip of Chuck Shumer making a fool of himself calling for censorship. Whether it's Shumer or two-face McConnell the American people can watch the videos and decide for themselves.


https://www.youtube.com/live/7UZ6LVanMEs?feature=share

The Schumer segment pretty much highlighted the Democrats’ cronyism. Calling out for censorship on National TV on the Senate floor?!? WTF!!!

There’s another segment in the released footage concerning Sen. Hawley. They really honed in on Josh Hawley for the simple reason he’s a Trump supporter.  They repeatedly showed him, in slow motion, walking hurriedly from the house floor ‘to escape’ the ‘mob’ in front of a hall full of people. He was mocked for being a ‘coward’.

Except what they didn’t show was seconds before Hawley came breezing by, a whole bunch of these morons were stampeding ahead of Hawley.

These are BC’s numbnuts. No doubt he’ll be here shortly defending this.

Biden/Harris 2024!!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on March 08, 2023, 06:42:46 AM
One reason is that the video allows everyone to know exactly where every security surveillance camera is located in the Capitol.  If that isn't enough, also the defined escape procedures and routes that are used in emergencies. 

Anyone that has been charged and is preparing their defense would be able to review the tapes of their actions.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on March 08, 2023, 07:23:04 AM

You do understand whatever garbage you’re providing and linking are the very same garbage Democrats would like for you to disseminate, right? At this time, everything in the government possession about this, and other matters circling DC, are scripted, orchestrated by the very same cronies you support.
Biden/Harris 2024!!!!

Garbage?  Is anything in my post or sources not factual?

Ya know, the funny thing about truth and common sense is that it's quite easy to follow. Most people know the moon is not made of cheese, yet some do.  You are among the naysayers that work hard to defend the indefensible with a complete lack of substantiation, and total avoidance of fact.

All you can do is express your misguided opinion that it's garbage.

Quote
Biden/Harris 2024!!!!

Indeed.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on March 08, 2023, 09:39:11 AM
One reason is that the video allows everyone to know exactly where every security surveillance camera is located in the Capitol.  If that isn't enough, also the defined escape procedures and routes that are used in emergencies. 

Lol aye ok BC.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on March 08, 2023, 09:57:22 AM

You do understand whatever garbage you’re providing and linking are the very same garbage Democrats would like for you to disseminate, right? At this time, everything in the government possession about this, and other matters circling DC, are scripted, orchestrated by the very same cronies you support.
Biden/Harris 2024!!!!

Garbage?  Is anything in my post or sources not factual?

Ya know, the funny thing about truth and common sense is that it's quite easy to follow. Most people know the moon is not made of cheese, yet some do.  You are among the naysayers that work hard to defend the indefensible with a complete lack of substantiation, and total avoidance of fact.

All you can do is express your misguided opinion that it's garbage.

Quote
Biden/Harris 2024!!!!

Indeed.

 :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

So Robert Muellereasque, don'it?

It isn't an 'opinion' that nothing coming out of the Democrats' *Le Resistance* is factual BC. You are so deluded with Obama's koolaid you still cannot see through all these BS.

But living in Italy, you do have an excuse. How the heck do you actually know facts happening in Somalia sitting where you are and have nothing but a keyboard with worn-out 'G-O-O-G-L-E' keys.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on March 08, 2023, 09:58:28 AM
One reason is that the video allows everyone to know exactly where every security surveillance camera is located in the Capitol.  If that isn't enough, also the defined escape procedures and routes that are used in emergencies. 

Anyone that has been charged and is preparing their defense would be able to review the tapes of their actions.

WTF!?!!!

Dig deep, baby!  :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

Oh wait, I almost forgot!!

Biden/Harris 2024!!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 08, 2023, 10:20:42 AM
A bank robber is observed with a camera loitering outside the bank, going in the door past the security guard, asking for a restroom, filling out a slip of paper, and waiting patiently in line for a clerk.  He finally gets to the window, pulls a gun, she hands him the cash, and in a flash, he's out the door.  His two accomplices, that were just keeping a lookout, walk out normally and leave.



More inane ramblings from the most partisan hack I've ever read.

When we get a real President all those sitting in jail will be released, since the Feds not only did not give their defense team the exculpatory evidence which is required by law, the Feds still have not admitted how many officers were dressed as Trump supporters (like Ray Eps) and encouraged people to breach the Capitol. How many of these bogus Trump supporters who were actually Feds, pushed over barricades, to entice crowd members inside?

Fact:  Feds did not give exculpatory evidence to the Defense
Fact:  FBI director Wray has been busted on cross examination in Congress, refusing to tell them how many of the Fed traitors to the President were inside in their operation to
         make President Trump look bad.
Fact:  Pelosi and DC Officials conspired to keep the National Guard away, and conspired to keep the actual Capitol Police officers inside in the dark as to what was coming. This
         testimony of one officer in particular with 22 years of experience was withheld, but Tucker Carlson found him and interviewed him.
Fact:  Officer Sicknick was not killed by a fire extinguisher, he died of natural causes.
Fact:  There is indeed video of a cold-blooded murder, the assassination of Ashli Babbet who was unarmed by Officer Byrd. Funny but I don't hear you calling for Officer Byrd to be
         prosecuted, why not? Because you're a partisan hack.
Fact:  Chuck Shumer whined for censorship. Have you protested against this? Hell no. Partisan hacks do not believe in freedom of the Press.


Why have these scumbag Demonrats withheld this video from the American people for 26 months? For more power and in the hopes they could win more fraudulent elections and in the process stop the American people, the true people who should control this government, from being in control of this government.

100 years from now legitimate Historians will acknowledge that the January 6 committee was a Kangaroo Court and that the US People were bamboozled by Government officials who were treasonous traitors who did not keep their oath to the Constitution.


NEVER FORGET!

These liars ran a one-sided, communist style kangaroo court like our country has never seen.
For the 1st time in history, Republicans weren't allowed their picks on a committee.
They hired a Hollywood film producer to selectively edit J6 videos to look as bad as possible while hiding footage that showed the truth.

Everyone of these serial lying, traitors belong in prison.
https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1633095762681683973


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqnrdYyXsAIUxMo?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 08, 2023, 10:36:37 AM
One reason is that the video allows everyone to know exactly where every security surveillance camera is located in the Capitol.  If that isn't enough, also the defined escape procedures and routes that are used in emergencies. 

Anyone that has been charged and is preparing their defense would be able to review the tapes of their actions.

WTF!?!!!

Dig deep, baby!  :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

Oh wait, I almost forgot!!

Biden/Harris 2024!!!!


The manure is so deep with his inane ramblings, it's unbelievable that somebody could be so willfully ignorant!!

Here's an article about a real Insurrection, funny I don't see any posts by him about it...guess the hack only cares about his own Party.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/southern-poverty-law-center-lawyer-charged-domestic-terrorism-atlanta-riot-released-bail

Biden/Harris 2024!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on March 08, 2023, 03:01:11 PM
Ya know, the funny thing about truth and common sense is that it's quite easy to follow. Most people know the moon is not made of cheese, yet some do.  You are among the naysayers that work hard to defend the indefensible with a complete lack of substantiation, and total avoidance of fact.

All you can do is express your misguided opinion that it's garbage.

Quote
Biden/Harris 2024!!!!

Indeed.[/b]

Well said.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 08, 2023, 03:52:31 PM
Ya know, the funny thing about truth and common sense is that it's quite easy to follow. Most people know the moon is not made of cheese, yet some do.  You are among the naysayers that work hard to defend the indefensible with a complete lack of substantiation, and total avoidance of fact.

All you can do is express your misguided opinion that it's garbage.

Quote
Biden/Harris 2024!!!!

Indeed.[/b]

Well said.

Never Forget!

Feds committed entrapment!!

https://www.themainewire.com/2022/11/fbi-dir-chris-wray-refuses-to-say-whether-fbi-had-agents-in-jan-6-crowd/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10391647/FBI-executive-assistant-director-stays-mum-Cruz-asks-agents-participated-January-6-riot.html


Here, I will leave you with a photo of a couple of your favorite Kangaroo court members.  :laugh:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqnsC1WWAAEGoYD?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 08, 2023, 04:09:45 PM
Tucker Carlson in the video: "These are not rioters; these are people who wandered over from a political rally."

What he fails to state is, while some rioted, that each one of them was trespassing.

To be fair, I just saw a clip of that Shaman guy being walked around the building by security, who were showing him all the rooms. It looked like a peaceful stroll with a buddy more than anything else.

It looks a bit ridiculous and not how the story was told.


As you may or may not know, the original footage is silent without noise. The Demonrats hired a liberal producer to add sounds, to make it sound bad.

Since turnabout is fair play, please watch and especially listen to this one! The soundtrack will have you in stitches.  :laugh: :laugh:

https://twitter.com/Lukewearechange/status/1633516926675689481
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 08, 2023, 05:02:53 PM
One reason is that the video allows everyone to know exactly where every security surveillance camera is located in the Capitol.  If that isn't enough, also the defined escape procedures and routes that are used in emergencies. 

Lol aye ok BC.


BC claims he is concerned about "security" and "defined escape procedures".

Funny, but CNN apparently told the entire nation who was watching where members of Congress were taken to, for their protection.

I do not recall BC complaining about CNN's very bad judgement that day, do you?

Listen to the speak of the House, about 47 seconds into this video.


https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1633272638360412160
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on March 08, 2023, 05:27:11 PM
BC claims he is concerned about "security" and "defined escape procedures".

Funny, but CNN apparently told the entire nation who was watching where members of Congress were taken to, for their protection.

I do not recall BC complaining about CNN's very bad judgement that day, do you?

Listen to the speak of the House, about 47 seconds into this video.

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1633272638360412160

Donchaknow? Wherever CNN goes, so goes BC. Nothing new.

I just think these snowflakes can be really funny sometimes, yah know..They do try to weasel and mask the stupidity of knowing they actually voted for...Biden/Harris 2020!!! LMAO. Give that a second to sink in... :laugh:

Those darn bumper stickers may be tough to remove so maybe I should cut 'em a little slack...........

....nnnnnnnnnnnnnNah!

Biden/Harris 2024!!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 08, 2023, 05:52:48 PM
BC claims he is concerned about "security" and "defined escape procedures".

Funny, but CNN apparently told the entire nation who was watching where members of Congress were taken to, for their protection.

I do not recall BC complaining about CNN's very bad judgement that day, do you?

Listen to the speak of the House, about 47 seconds into this video.

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1633272638360412160

Donchaknow? Wherever CNN goes, so goes BC. Nothing new.

I just think these snowflakes can be really funny sometimes, yah know..They do try to weasel and mask the stupidity of knowing they actually voted for...Biden/Harris 2020!!! LMAO. Give that a second to sink in... :laugh:

Those darn bumper stickers may be tough to remove so maybe I should cut 'em a little slack...........

....nnnnnnnnnnnnnNah!

Biden/Harris 2024!!!!


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fqua3UBX0AECdRT?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on March 08, 2023, 06:29:01 PM
So Chansley and his attorney were not only deprived of access to the video, they apparently stuck the guy in solitary confinement during his hearing.

This process is what the likes of BC voted for and defend? WTF, aren’t these the same snowflakes who made the case before that captured Al Qaeda fighters in gitmo deserves judicial process?

Biden/Harris 2024!!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 08, 2023, 06:36:15 PM
B/B is a Lawyer and has not been around lately, I wonder what he thinks of all this?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FqtzL4qXsAA_qgT?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 08, 2023, 06:43:43 PM
So Chansley and his attorney were not only deprived of access to the video, they apparently stuck the guy in solitary confinement during his hearing.

This process is what the likes of BC voted for and defend? WTF, aren’t these the same snowflakes who made the case before that captured Al Qaeda fighters in gitmo deserves judicial process?

Biden/Harris 2024!!!!


According to the Cornell Law School Legal Information Institute:

"The Brady rule, named after Brady v. Maryland, requires prosecutors to disclose material, exculpatory information in the government’s possession to the defense. Brady material, or the evidence the prosecutor is required to disclose under this rule, includes any information favorable to the accused which may reduce a defendant’s potential sentence, go against the credibility of an unfavorable witness, or otherwise allow a jury to infer against the defendant’s guilt."


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/03/qanon-shaman-jacob-chansleys-former-atty-claims-government-chose-not-to-disclose-exculpatory-evidence-to-chansley-that-aired-by-tucker-carlson/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 08, 2023, 06:51:40 PM
Police brutality? 24 seconds in you can see a fat officer launch projectiles directly into the crowd. This was done without any announcement and unprovoked.

https://twitter.com/InvestigateJ6/status/1627767483959595022


2020 Riots versus alleged "insurrection". Buckle your seats!

https://rumble.com/v19jgvt-the-real-insurrection-2020-riots-vs.-jan.-6.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 19, 2023, 01:45:38 AM
President Trump says he expects to be arrested, calls for protests.


https://fox2now.com/news/national/ap-us-news/trump-says-hell-be-arrested-tuesday-as-da-eyes-charges/


Opinion on this by Vivek Ramaswany.

https://twitter.com/VivekGRamaswamy/status/1637168605308526592


Vivek Ganapathy Ramaswamy (/vɪˈvɛk rɑːmɑːˈswɑːmiː/; born August 9, 1985) is an American entrepreneur, author, and conservative political activist. The author of Woke, Inc. (2021) and Nation of Victims (2022), he was labeled "one of the intellectual godfathers of the anti-woke movement" by Politico.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on March 19, 2023, 07:41:06 AM
The US, courtesy of BC’s, Mhr7’s & Texan77 political party, had finally arrived at the same governance we once ridiculed. We are now at the same level the likes of Syria’s Assad, Saddam’s IRAQ, Russia under Putin, Haiti, Somalia, No. Korea, So. Sudan, Libya, etc…

What a sad period for this country.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 19, 2023, 10:59:51 AM
The US, courtesy of BC’s, Mhr7’s & Texan77 political party, had finally arrived at the same governance we once ridiculed. We are now at the same level the likes of Syria’s Assad, Saddam’s IRAQ, Russia under Putin, Haiti, Somalia, No. Korea, So. Sudan, Libya, etc…

What a sad period for this country.


Texan has said that he voted for Trump twice, but after the January 6th event he has decidedly turned against Trump, and he often derides Tucker Carlson.  :chuckle:

Whether or not Texan will vote Republican again likely depends on who the nominee is. It should not matter if one likes Trump, as Vivek Ramaswany said in the video I posted, it should matter if a person believes in fairness and the rule of law.

As I recall, former President Clinton paid a woman $850,000 to satisfy her legal demands, instead of going to trial. Wasn't he still President when he did this?

As usual with the democrats, there is a perpetual double standard.  :coffeeread:


https://twitter.com/leslibless/status/1637108517814321154
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on March 19, 2023, 02:23:58 PM
The US, courtesy of BC’s, Mhr7’s & Texan77 political party, had finally arrived at the same governance we once ridiculed. We are now at the same level the likes of Syria’s Assad, Saddam’s IRAQ, Russia under Putin, Haiti, Somalia, No. Korea, So. Sudan, Libya, etc…

What a sad period for this country.

Ironically they all criticise Putin and Russia but make excuses for what the US has turned into. The anti Trump mob aren't even that discrete about it anymore. The old yea its not right what we're doing but its happening to someone we hate, so all good.

Can you imagine if this were happening under Trump? The screeching at street protests, hollywood actors threatening to leave the US and the global popular media filling our screen time with rage.

 :'( 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on March 19, 2023, 02:33:07 PM
As I recall, former President Clinton paid a woman $850,000 to satisfy her legal demands, instead of going to trial. Wasn't he still President when he did this?

That's what I was thinking. You can't get upset at something that has happened before, just because you hate him.

It's like that classic moment when Hilary takes aim at Trump for not paying taxes due to a loop hole in the system and Trump openly admits to doing so because he could......just like all the Dem donors who are doing so but they refused to change the laws so they could take donor money.

Hypocrisy.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 20, 2023, 09:39:18 PM
As I recall, former President Clinton paid a woman $850,000 to satisfy her legal demands, instead of going to trial. Wasn't he still President when he did this?

That's what I was thinking. You can't get upset at something that has happened before, just because you hate him.

It's like that classic moment when Hilary takes aim at Trump for not paying taxes due to a loop hole in the system and Trump openly admits to doing so because he could......just like all the Dem donors who are doing so but they refused to change the laws so they could take donor money.

Hypocrisy.


https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1637987122836656132?cxt=HHwWiMC-tYOnprstAAAA
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 21, 2023, 07:15:54 AM
A $20 bet over who wins in 2024.


https://www.foxnews.com/media/daily-show-guest-host-al-franken-spars-lindsey-graham-over-senators-support-trump


https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/3910157-graham-franken-bet-20-on-trump-vs-biden-2024/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on April 09, 2023, 10:13:29 PM
More court cases showing Trump really lost election and the story about how it was taken away from him was just made up. Anyway, this should be proof that Fox is not news but rather propaganda and much of it made up. As I said Trump just lost the election. Internal memos show Fox even knew they were running fake stories about the election.  Rosco should have egg on his face because of his comments he made at that time when I said that back in 2021.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fox-news-settles-with-venezuelan-businessman-in-election-defamation-lawsuit/ar-AA19FcRF?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=2538ad17f78d4bcd916f974e32402f96&ei=14

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/31/business/fox-dominion-defamation-case.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on April 10, 2023, 03:02:05 AM
More court cases showing Trump really lost election and the story about how it was taken away from him was just made up. Anyway, this should be proof that Fox is not news but rather propaganda and much of it made up. As I said Trump just lost the election. Internal memos show Fox even knew they were running fake stories about the election.  Rosco should have egg on his face because of his comments he made at that time when I said that back in 2021.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fox-news-settles-with-venezuelan-businessman-in-election-defamation-lawsuit/ar-AA19FcRF?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=2538ad17f78d4bcd916f974e32402f96&ei=14

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/31/business/fox-dominion-defamation-case.html

Care to quote me or are you writing yet more nonsense from your fantasy world?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on April 10, 2023, 04:21:57 AM
Why nonsense? It's all well documented in court records.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on April 10, 2023, 04:48:35 AM
Why nonsense? It's all well documented in court records.

My comments??  :eeekk:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on April 11, 2023, 08:52:24 AM
Why nonsense? It's all well documented in court records.

Did someone say 'kangaroo'?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on April 13, 2023, 06:12:23 AM
Trump did an interview with Tucker Carlson in recent days. He talks of Ukraine, Russia and China too.

Find it here: https://rumble.com/v2hod3e-commercial-free-replay-tucker-carlson-tonight-04-11-2023.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on April 13, 2023, 06:56:29 AM
It hasn’t been too long ago when we, in the US, laid witness to other nations’ leaders imprison leading political opponent/s to secure its rule, and thought how it can never happen here….
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on April 13, 2023, 11:39:10 AM
It hasn’t been too long ago when we, in the US, laid witness to other nations’ leaders imprison leading political opponent/s to secure its rule, and thought how it can never happen here….

He's getting what he deserves, he broke the law. I imagine you're a law and order guy, am I right? You wouldn't want a criminal to get away would you?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on April 13, 2023, 01:48:57 PM
It hasn’t been too long ago when we, in the US, laid waste to other nations’ leaders, imprison leading political opponent/s & secure our rule, and thought how it can happen here….

Admit it, you really wanted to write above .....  :laugh:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on April 13, 2023, 03:16:37 PM
It hasn’t been too long ago when we, in the US, laid witness to other nations’ leaders imprison leading political opponent/s to secure its rule, and thought how it can never happen here….

He's getting what he deserves, he broke the law. I imagine you're a law and order guy, am I right? You wouldn't want a criminal to get away would you?

Funny.

Damned straight! In a state where the rule of law prevails and equal justice is afforded each and everyone, and no one is ever above the law.

But now 'we' both know that 'state' doesn't include US anymore, right? Ask Hillary amongst others if you're uncertain.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on April 13, 2023, 03:19:47 PM
It hasn’t been too long ago when we, in the US, laid waste to other nations’ leaders, imprison leading political opponent/s & secure our rule, and thought how it can happen here….

Admit it, you really wanted to write above .....  :laugh:

Hahah! With the current geo-political climate and our present 'foreign policies' - that's spot on!

 :snivel:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on April 14, 2023, 12:43:27 PM
It hasn’t been too long ago when we, in the US, laid witness to other nations’ leaders imprison leading political opponent/s to secure its rule, and thought how it can never happen here….

He's getting what he deserves, he broke the law. I imagine you're a law and order guy, am I right? You wouldn't want a criminal to get away would you?

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.  What is clear is that this is ENTIRELY a political prosecution.  How many men has Bragg ever prosecuted for paying "hush money"?  Is that number "exactly 1"?  I note that DOJ declined to prosecute.  I would fully expect that, the next time there is a GOP Atty General, Hunter Biden (and possibly Joe) will get "The Treatment". 

The Lawfare Party grows bolder.  They have long touched themselves in the dark over the though of Kissinger or Bush II being dragged to the dock at  The Hague in irons.  This is a Rubicon they should not cross.

But not my call.

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on April 15, 2023, 04:49:45 AM

The Lawfare Party grows bolder.  They have long touched themselves in the dark over the though of Kissinger or Bush II being dragged to the dock at  The Hague in irons.  This is a Rubicon they should not cross.

But not my call.

B/B

Im having trouble with this part, i expect the 2 spelling misstakes get me. can someone explain what b/b means?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on April 15, 2023, 08:08:06 AM
English is my 4th language so if I missed the point in my attempt to explain that I don’t get a timeout.

The Democrats had been using legal actions against its political opponent, justly or otherwise, to gain critical political advantage - (beyond this present absurdity, read the prosecutorial sham made against Sen. Ted Stevens (AK) to remove him from the ballot so the Democrats can gain a crucial seat in the senate to aid Obama’s administration).

Methinks the word should be ‘thought’, ’the thought of’.

His warning was the repeated lawfare action have crossed a line of no return, a leap into the breach, point of no return, etc. A dangerous political precedent.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on April 15, 2023, 02:15:08 PM

Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.  What is clear is that this is ENTIRELY a political prosecution.  How many men has Bragg ever prosecuted for paying "hush money"?  Is that number "exactly 1"?  I note that DOJ declined to prosecute.  I would fully expect that, the next time there is a GOP Atty General, Hunter Biden (and possibly Joe) will get "The Treatment". 


AFAIK, the indictment is not about hush money. It's about motives immediately prior to an election, how the funds were paid and booked-whether documents were falsified/misrepresented to cover the payment, and if it represented an illegal campaign contribution.  Correct me if I'm wrong.

Bragg stated they prosecute many similar cases every year.

Like any other private citizen, Trump will have the chance to defend himself in court. 

This is just another case of Trump digging holes too deep to get out of.  He wasn't pushed in.
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on April 16, 2023, 12:40:57 PM
Bragg stated they prosecute many similar cases every year.

I looked for those type of cases but couldn't find any.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on April 16, 2023, 01:14:43 PM
Martin Armstrong's Dire Socrates AI predictions 2nd half 2023 and 2024:

USA/NATO WWIII with Russia in Ukraine and USA/Japan/SoKorea VS China in Taiwan Straits/South China Sea.

Biden & Fetterman 2024 - It's a NO-BRAINER!   Wartime Presidents are always Re-elected.

Inflation spikes to 20% to 30% because of WARs.

Biden's real approvals down to 9.5%.

Socrates AI: Trump probably has no chance at all to win WH in 2024 - NEOCONS may even try to assassinate him.

NEOCONS have complete control of the WH and are dedicated to war in 2024.


This was shocking to read but not fully unexpected - NEOCONs pulling out all the stops to foment wars for their beloved SATAN and M.I.C. and willing to do anything to derail TRUMP including eliminating him...  Trump will need all of the Pro America Patriots alongside him to give the NEOCONs a taste of their own intentions.

Best now to go full prepper/survivalist and stock up on barter-tradable inflation-proof assets, i.e. Gold, Silver, Ammo, Some Crypto in case CBDCs wipe out cash, Heavy Duty Trucks, Tools, Solar Off Grid arrays, Plenty of Canned and Freeze Dried Food, Fruits and Veggies, organic gardens/Hens-Eggs, Goats/Milk/Cheese,  Good Hunting Rifles with Scopes (My Remington 700 .308 and/or 7.62x51mm NATO gauged Rifle with a Rugged Bull Barrel, learn Scope windages and elevations and range shooting apps (Use a Laser Range Finder) to hunt for Venison, Varmint Meats, mRNA Zombies, etc.  - and - 12 Gauge Shotguns for Pheasants, Ducks, Geese etc.  (New England Canadian Geese populations exploding - Goose Crap Everywhere Even in Boston Parks.

Make sure you have enough ammo and carry daily - I have for EDC (Every Day Carry) a Glock 43 9MM 6 Shot, a Sig 938 9MM 7 shot both with Red Crimson Trace Lasers sighted in at 50 feet, a S&W CSX 9mm staggered 12 round mags same size as the Sig 938 and a 2 shot SS Bond .357 Heavy Duty Texas Derringer.  I typically Carry 2 9MM and The Bond .357 (Small Form Factor) daily to protect against insane Brain Damaged mRNA - murdererRNA psychos.

Have a reliable car bought and paid for and perhaps an Electric Mountain Bicycle that you can recharge from your portable emergency Solar Genset in case Car and Truck Fuel becomes scarce - Farms in New Hampshire Grow Sunflowers for Sunflower Oil that their Diesel Trucks and Tractors run on with a few tuning tweaks.

This will be a TRUE SHTF scenario - forearmed is forewarned and Vice Versa....

https://rumble.com/v2igcnm-ukraine-war-causes-inflation-and-higher-rates-martin-armstrong.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on April 16, 2023, 10:39:03 PM
Bragg stated they prosecute many similar cases every year.

I looked for those type of cases but couldn't find any.

In Bragg’s first 15 months as DA, his team filed 166 felony counts for falsifying business records against 34 people or companies. Under former District Attorney Cy Vance, it took three years – between 2019 and 2021 - to charge about the same number of business record felonies.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/i-team-falsification-of-business-records-rarely-the-top-charge-on-ny-indictments/4222710/

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on April 17, 2023, 01:06:01 AM
Bragg stated they prosecute many similar cases every year.

I looked for those type of cases but couldn't find any.

In Bragg’s first 15 months as DA, his team filed 166 felony counts for falsifying business records against 34 people or companies. Under former District Attorney Cy Vance, it took three years – between 2019 and 2021 - to charge about the same number of business record felonies.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/i-team-falsification-of-business-records-rarely-the-top-charge-on-ny-indictments/4222710/

34 businesses / people on a scale of 8 Million people ? Thats negligable.

In NL in 2021 there were 877 cases brought against businesses which were won (could not find the total number) , which is  around 430 for the same number of people as NYC.


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on April 17, 2023, 08:16:59 AM

In Bragg’s first 15 months as DA, his team filed 166 felony counts for falsifying business records against 34 people or companies. Under former District Attorney Cy Vance, it took three years – between 2019 and 2021 - to charge about the same number of business record felonies.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/i-team-falsification-of-business-records-rarely-the-top-charge-on-ny-indictments/4222710/

Note: You won't find any of this on Fox News since I researched this myself.

BC is sort of making Trumps case for him. He sought out a NDA from a person
and had his lawyer draw it up and pay the hush money. He wrote it off as a legal
fees since he had his lawyer handle it. Falsification of business records is usually
related to creating fake receipts for things that didn't happen.

An example of falsifying business records is to make up fake expenses such as
claiming to pay invoices for rent or materials that never existed so that you can
pay lower taxes. Falsifying business records is NEVER claiming something something
that you actually paid was in one type of legal category instead of another.

Every insurance company and big business pays fees to settle disagreements out
of court without admitting fault because dealing with it in open court would hurt
their brand or image. Getting an NDA is a normal course of business and is deductable under the tax code. What should it be classified as? Not a legal fee, since the person getting the money didn't provide legal advice, it was something else.

That's a felony? Heck no it's not. He would have to create fake expenses that
never existed AND that he didn't pay AND he would have to present fake
invoices to the tax authorities because that's falsifying records.

This is like is deducting office supplies as a janitorial expense or putting a legitament
expense on the wrong line of your tax return. Falsifying records is something else.

The fact that the prosecutor claims this is falsifying records makes all the other
cases suspicous because that is clearly not falsifying records.

Here are some legal tests which must occur for falsifying records.
One is materiality
The common law test for materiality is the standard to use when false statement statutes. Simply states  That test is whether the statement has a “natural tendency
to influence, or was capable of influencing, the decision of the decisionmaking
body to which it was addressed.”

Two is Materiality must be demonstrated by the government

Nobody was trying to influence a government entity of anything. Since team Trump
was only deducting a legitament business expense no influence was sought or obtained.

Sources:
1. United States v. Oren
2. United States v. Gaudin
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on April 17, 2023, 08:28:17 AM
34 businesses / people on a scale of 8 Million people ? Thats negligable.

Some might consider 500 murders also negligible @ 0.00625%

There is no threshold tolerance for criminal acts.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on April 17, 2023, 09:17:07 AM
34 businesses / people on a scale of 8 Million people ? Thats negligable.

Some might consider 500 murders also negligible @ 0.00625%

There is no threshold tolerance for criminal acts.
Apples and oranges.

You forgot to quote NL's number of businesses convicted. And thats only 2x the population of NYC (that is city, not state).

And about that murder:
Every murder in the NL makes national headlines, each and every time.
Every murder in the states is lucky to get a single line in a local paper.
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on April 17, 2023, 04:20:14 PM
There is no threshold tolerance for criminal acts.

Taking a legal deduction on your tax return but mislabeling it (even intentionally)
it is not a criminal act. Never has been and never will be.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on April 18, 2023, 04:31:39 AM
There is no threshold tolerance for criminal acts.

Taking a legal deduction on your tax return but mislabeling it (even intentionally)
it is not a criminal act. Never has been and never will be.

It's all contained in the indictment and statement of facts.  You can read it here:
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/04/read-the-trump-indictment-document-00087925
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on April 18, 2023, 05:27:55 AM
It's all contained in the indictment and statement of facts.  You can read it here:
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/04/read-the-trump-indictment-document-00087925

Yes indeed, it's all there and you've made Trumps case for him.

SCHEME TO DEFRAUD IN THE FIRST DEGREE: NY PL 190.65
If New York prosecutors arrest or indict you for a First Degree Scheme to Defraud
pursuant to New York Penal Law 190.65, it is likely that they firmly believe your conduct was not merely a one time criminal transgression, but part of an ongoing act of serious fraud. To be clear, whether you are charged with other defendants or as a sole perpetrator, it is very likely that Scheme to Defraud is one of many crimes, allegations and arrest charges you will face. While you and your criminal defense attorney will do your best to determine what other crimes may be on the horizon, be prepared to face both a District Attorney’s Office and a New York court system that does not look kindly upon
allegations of wide spread or multi-victim financial crimes.

UNDERSTANDING FIRST DEGREE SCHEME TO DEFRAUD
"You are guilty of Scheme to Defraud in the First Degree if you conduct yourself in
one of the two following manners:

(a) You engage in a course of conduct scheme that is systematic or ongoing. Your
scheme must be perpetrated with an intent to defraud at least ten people or to
obtain property from ten or more people. Further, you must attempt to obtain the
property by false pretenses or representations and actually obtain property from
at least one of these individuals.


Or

(b) You engage in a course of conduct scheme that is systematic or ongoing. Your scheme must be perpetrated with an intent to defraud at least two people or to obtain property from two or more people. Further, you must attempt to obtain the property by false pretenses or representations and actually obtain property from at least one of these individuals with a value in excess of $1,000.*"

Nobody was defrauded, no property of value was obtained. Trump didn't obtain the
property of others. He was paying out money to others in exchange for a settlement
and none disclosure of a story that could harm his brand.

You are correct, those are the facts. Therefore he is obviously innocent.

* https://www.newyorktheftandlarcenylawyers.com/scheme-to-defraud-in-the-first-degree.html

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on April 19, 2023, 03:33:32 AM
It's all contained in the indictment and statement of facts.  You can read it here:
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/04/read-the-trump-indictment-document-00087925

Yes indeed, it's all there and you've made Trumps case for him.

SCHEME TO DEFRAUD IN THE FIRST DEGREE: NY PL 190.65


2tall,

If you read the indictment you would have seen  Penal Law §175.10 was referenced, and not Penal Law §190.65

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/175.10

§ 175.10 Falsifying business records in the first degree.

A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree
when he commits the crime of falsifying business records in the second
degree, and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit
another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.

Falsifying business records in the first degree is a class E felony


I'm not a lawyer, but you seem to be barking up the wrong tree.  I'm sure better legal minds are at work here.  The best we can do is watch and see what happens next.  Will Trump be able to settle like fox did at the last minute to the tune of 3/4 billion, before the trial started? I kinda doubt it.  Remember Cohen went to jail for the stuff he did, IIRC at least some related to the Stormy Daniels transactions, including campaign finance crimes that dovetail with:

 "intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.."  Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think your claim that my post somehow makes the case for Trump is totally unfounded.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on April 19, 2023, 05:06:43 AM

I think your claim that my post somehow makes the case for Trump is totally unfounded.
[/quote]

They will first have to prove:
the crime of falsifying business records in the second degree, before the other indictments can stick.

First: he was not charged with penal law 175.05 (falsifying business records in the second degree) , so his motive to do so (important for 175.10 ) will not be important to any proceedings. But should they continue:

- He did not omit to include the payment to ms. Daniels
- He did actually pay ms. Daniels.

end of case, end of story.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on April 19, 2023, 09:16:10 AM
More Very Serious DOOM from Dr. Charles Nenner following Martin Armstrong's DOOM above:

Dollar Finished – America in Danger – Charles Nenner

https://rumble.com/v2j1h3u-dollar-finished-america-in-danger-charles-nenner.html
Via Greg Hunter’s USAWatchdog.com,

Renowned geopolitical and financial cycle expert Dr. Charles Nenner, who moved from Netherlands to Israel (To avoid EU influx of radical Islamist Jew Killers), says his analysis shows the world will start a huge war cycle by 2023.

This type of war is similar to WWII but much bigger.   Nenner explains, “The cycle work I do on wars starts at the Mandarin Empire 3,000 years before Jesus came into this world..."

"... The long cycle only picks up the big wars.  Wars in Korea and Iraq do not show up.  So, I say the big War Cycle is up, and this is going to be a big war because the small ones don’t even show up.  So, I am very worried. . . . There was a Jewish prophet that once said, ‘The last war is going to take 8 minutes.’  Nobody took this serious because how can a war last 8 minutes?  Now we have an idea why a war can only take 8 minutes.  Things could calm down in the short term this summer.  Then, next year, it can start full force again, and the whole thing is very dangerous.”

How many casualties will there be in the next world war?  Nenner estimates,

“It’s very interesting how you calculate something like that.  It’s the same way you calculate a cycle in IBM.  When you see IBM going down, you can get an upside price target, which we have.  You can do the same thing on the war cycle. About one third of the population is not going to survive in this world.”

So, more than 2.5 billion people are going to die in the next world war that is just around the corner?  Nenner says,

“Yes, the numbers say if you have a world war, it’s going to take out 1/3 of the population.”

On the financial front, Nenner says,

“There is a catastrophe going on in bonds.  They lost their capital and are not going to get it back.  It’s the same thing that is happening in stocks.”

Nenner advised to get out of both the bond and stock markets at the beginning of the year, and he was on target.  Nenner predicts it’s going to get worse for stocks and bonds.  Nenner says the next downside target is “15,000 on the DOW,” and it will eventually hit around “5,000 on the DOW.”

Nenner says food will never be cheaper and expects food shortages and big price increases for years into the future.

Nenner also says he thinks oil will keep rising and will hit $150 per barrel, and it could eventually hit “$250” per barrel.

USD at $101.7 targeted to drop 30+ % to $0.70+/-

Nenner is still long term bullish on gold and says it will hit “$2,500” in the not-too-distant future.  Nenner says if the world goes back on a gold standard, “gold will hit $40,000 per ounce.”

Nenner says people who are getting a pension should expect big cuts in the future and also expect big inflation too.  It will be the worst of both worlds.

On top of that, expect civil unrest in America to keep growing.


And a global Banking Crisis likely 2nd Half 2023 and 2024.

###

This is a major triple SHTF scenario.

Looks like Lord Afi saw this coming, made himself scarce around here and is executing his bucket list partying with his sugar babies like there will literally be no tomorrow...

Time to go on a Mistress Hunt and take a nice Med cruise with Norwegian or Viking cruises before there are no more nuclear radiation free zones in the French, Italian and Greek antiquities areas.  Of course, Berlin and London and Warsaw and Kiev will ALL be ground zero....

Time for all you Euro War mongers to bend over and kiss your arses GOODBYE!

Not that we have much longer to live than you lot here in the Free State of New Hampshire...

Found a good web site to buy ammo on line... for survival and barter...  I found a box of .357/.38 special centerfire ammo that I purchased with my original .357 Revolver 40 years ago and it still shoots fine! Point is AMMO has a tremendous real world shelf life and is good for both Survival and Barter at least in the USA and the Cartel Countries in Central and South America...

https://www.opticsplanet.com/ammunition.html



Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on April 19, 2023, 05:45:42 PM


2tall,

If you read the indictment you would have seen  Penal Law §175.10 was referenced, and not Penal Law §190.65

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/175.10

§ 175.10 Falsifying business records in the first degree.

A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree
when he commits the crime of falsifying business records in the second
degree, and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit
another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.

Falsifying business records in the first degree is a class E felony


I'm not a lawyer, but you seem to be barking up the wrong tree.  I'm sure better legal minds are at work here.  The best we can do is watch and see what happens next.  Will Trump be able to settle like fox did at the last minute to the tune of 3/4 billion, before the trial started? I kinda doubt it.  Remember Cohen went to jail for the stuff he did, IIRC at least some related to the Stormy Daniels transactions, including campaign finance crimes that dovetail with:

 "intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.."  Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think your claim that my post somehow makes the case for Trump is totally unfounded.

I think we are just running in a circle. I am convinced (as of today) that there is
no case against him and even the lefty's publicly think the legal theory/evidence
is weak.

I can post several articles that agree with me from the left, but I think I we will
have to find something else to productively debate about.

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on April 21, 2023, 03:55:36 PM

I think we are just running in a circle. I am convinced (as of today) that there is
no case against him and even the lefty's publicly think the legal theory/evidence
is weak.

I can post several articles that agree with me from the left, but I think I we will
have to find something else to productively debate about.

Udachi!

Bill

Indeed.  Opinions abound.  Best to stick to facts.
Title: Durham report further exonerates Trump
Post by: 2tallbill on May 16, 2023, 01:33:15 AM
Weaponized federal agencies manufactured a false conspiracy theory
and it was presented to them by Trumps political opponent Hillary Clinton.

The Durham report has been issued.
You can read the Full transcript here
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23813394/report-on-matters-related-to-intelligence-activities-and-investigations-arising-out-oft-he-2016-presidential-campaigns.pdf

Title: Re: Durham report further exonerates Trump
Post by: B.B. on May 16, 2023, 09:59:23 AM
Weaponized federal agencies manufactured a false conspiracy theory
and it was presented to them by Trumps political opponent Hillary Clinton.

The FBI KNEW within 36 hours of Sussman walking into their offices that the whole thing was bullshit.  So WHY was there a Mueller Report in the first place?

B/B
Title: Re: Durham report further exonerates Trump
Post by: Bodine on May 16, 2023, 01:13:24 PM
Weaponized federal agencies manufactured a false conspiracy theory
and it was presented to them by Trumps political opponent Hillary Clinton.

The Durham report has been issued.
You can read the Full transcript here
https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23813394/report-on-matters-related-to-intelligence-activities-and-investigations-arising-out-oft-he-2016-presidential-campaigns.pdf

Another multi-hundred pages of taxpayer paid effort proving what was already clearly known from the word ‘go’ that it was always a pho king witch hunt.

No one will, of course be held accountable.

You can hear crickets from the various media outlets about ‘revelation’ II. I’m sure BC still believes the collusion happened just as Hillary paid for it.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on June 14, 2023, 09:16:33 AM
With the general election looming upon us again, the witch hunting wagon began turning its squeaky wheels once again. It doesn't matter how you feel about DJT, MAGA and all the mustard around the political mess we are bombarded with since the two Greek columns welcomed its so-called messiah, at the very least, you have to admit the optic of this current DC circus act is just unnerving.

An opinion (https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1668747661028081664?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)

Strangely, like DJT, Tucker is also getting targeted even by its former employer for cutting across the grain.

https://www.axios.com/2023/06/12/fox-letter-tucker-carlson-twitter

Everything in our country today is simply damning!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on August 01, 2023, 07:23:20 PM
Donald Trump seriously indicted for January 6 activities.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on August 02, 2023, 05:09:35 AM
I've just started reading about all the new charges going Donald Trumps direction and from the outset, it smells very much like a democrat/deep state plan to remove him from being re-elected.

Yes it's all very technical and he probably has crossed the line somewhere but so have others yet they're seemingly exempt. It appears really unfair or rigged and there is little desire by anyone to prosecute people on the other side. It's almost as though anyone challenging the Dems, will face the wrath of the mob.

The Biden stuff about Ukraine, foreign money, the laptop and files being found in his garage, all seems to get swept under a carpet and forgotten about. If you hate Trump then this is great but as a neutral, it looks like a set up to me.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on August 02, 2023, 09:32:07 AM
Trump is not re electable. The hard-core republicans may like him, but he does not carry the center of the country. If he is nominated it will end just like last time with him losing by an even bigger margin, then claiming it was all fake after he really lost.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on August 02, 2023, 12:03:04 PM
Trump is not re electable. The hard-core republicans may like him, but he does not carry the center of the country. If he is nominated it will end just like last time with him losing by an even bigger margin, then claiming it was all fake after he really lost.

Both Martin Armstrong programmer in chief of the Socrates Global AI system that has been forecasting Global Trends for more that 20 years and Gerald Celente of the Trends Journal Magazine belive that if Trump runs he loses due to the massive number of College Zgen-Zoomers and Millennials that are brainwashed libtards and thus TDS Trump Haters.

That said the only hope for our nation NOT to be overrun and ENDED by the CCP and their Fentanyl Narco Terrorists allies in Mexico is to elect Trump.

Steve Bannon runs his Warroom to a huge nationwide Online, TV and Radio audience of America First Patriots, brings Mark Mitchell of Rasmussen Polling on constantly who is reporting Trumps approval ratings among patriot republican voters is 72%.

Independents (Trump Leads by 15%) when asked about Biden vs Trump - Trump wins 52% and most surprisingly Trump among Democrats has 27% of their vote...  Seems there are still a handful (one third) of Democrats who are Patriots  (Kennedy Democrats) who do not want to see Joe Beijing Biden turn over control of the USA to our enemies the CCP as in Communist Freaking Red Chinese Wuhan Bioweapons murderers.

I am voting FOR SAVING AMERICA with TRUMP.

I train (long range rifle target practice, Optics, MOA, Windage, Laser Rangefinding, Ballistics Computer Apps) with Fellow Veterans - the younger have all served in Combat

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on August 02, 2023, 01:36:26 PM
Trump can't even save his own ass there's no way he can help this country. I agree with Texan, Trump's not electable. Nobody wants another Jan 6th.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on August 02, 2023, 03:11:44 PM
Trump can't even save his own ass there's no way he can help this country. I agree with Texan, Trump's not electable. Nobody wants another Jan 6th.

Do you want Biden and the Dems for another term? Look at the state of the US and the world in general.

Trump is a Bawbag but he kept the peace and the economy was good, which meant the world was safe and prosperous.

F*ck creepy Joe and the war mongering Dems.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on August 03, 2023, 02:24:29 AM
I've just started reading about all the new charges going Donald Trumps direction and from the outset, it smells very much like a democrat/deep state plan to remove him from being re-elected.

Nothing of the sort.  Every legal woe Trump had and is facing today is completely and knowingly self-inflicted.  His entire political platform and popular 'base' appeal are founded on creating conflict, division, controversy and playing the role of victim to a minority of the GOP.  Tyranny of the minority, just enough to control the GOP by leveraging their fear of losing power.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on August 03, 2023, 05:07:29 AM
I've just started reading about all the new charges going Donald Trumps direction and from the outset, it smells very much like a democrat/deep state plan to remove him from being re-elected.

Nothing of the sort.  Every legal woe Trump had and is facing today is completely and knowingly self-inflicted.  His entire political platform and popular 'base' appeal are founded on creating conflict, division, controversy and playing the role of victim to a minority of the GOP.  Tyranny of the minority, just enough to control the GOP by leveraging their fear of losing power.

I see that you conveniently ignored the discussion regarding the other side of the coin, as you so very often do and focused on your trigger. If you hadn't been so upset with my post, you might have understood that I accept Trump isn't a clean tattie.

My point which went right over your head, is the double standards and hypocrisy of the current US political scene and it's obvious lack of desire to prosecute Democrats, whilst throwing the kitchen sink at the political opposition.

If it were Russia, your panties would have been in a bunch.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on August 03, 2023, 05:18:32 AM
I've just started reading about all the new charges going Donald Trumps direction and from the outset, it smells very much like a democrat/deep state plan to remove him from being re-elected.

Nothing of the sort.  Every legal woe Trump had and is facing today is completely and knowingly self-inflicted.  His entire political platform and popular 'base' appeal are founded on creating conflict, division, controversy and playing the role of victim to a minority of the GOP.  Tyranny of the minority, just enough to control the GOP by leveraging their fear of losing power.

I see that you conveniently ignored the discussion regarding the other side of the coin, as you so very often do and focused on your trigger. If you hadn't been so upset with my post, you might have understood that I accept Trump isn't a clean tattie.

My point which went right over your head, is the double standards and hypocrisy of the current US political scene and it's obvious lack of desire to prosecute Democrats, whilst throwing the kitchen sink at the political opposition.

If it were Russia, your panties would have been in a bunch.

You expressed your opinion that you 'smell' some deep state is behind charging Trump in the last indictments.  I replied with my opinion that Trump brought all his legal woes upon himself.

There is no "trigger" involved, no double standard and no hypocrisy. 

You said your bit, I said mine, and that's that, unless you want to make something more of it. 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on August 03, 2023, 05:32:49 AM
I've just started reading about all the new charges going Donald Trumps direction and from the outset, it smells very much like a democrat/deep state plan to remove him from being re-elected.

Nothing of the sort.  Every legal woe Trump had and is facing today is completely and knowingly self-inflicted.  His entire political platform and popular 'base' appeal are founded on creating conflict, division, controversy and playing the role of victim to a minority of the GOP.  Tyranny of the minority, just enough to control the GOP by leveraging their fear of losing power.

I see that you conveniently ignored the discussion regarding the other side of the coin, as you so very often do and focused on your trigger. If you hadn't been so upset with my post, you might have understood that I accept Trump isn't a clean tattie.

My point which went right over your head, is the double standards and hypocrisy of the current US political scene and it's obvious lack of desire to prosecute Democrats, whilst throwing the kitchen sink at the political opposition.

If it were Russia, your panties would have been in a bunch.

You expressed your opinion that you 'smell' some deep state is behind charging Trump in the last indictments.  I replied with my opinion that Trump brought all his legal woes upon himself.

There is no "trigger" involved, no double standard and no hypocrisy. 

You said your bit, I said mine, and that's that, unless you want to make something more of it.

Well swerved again BC.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on August 03, 2023, 05:55:54 AM
I've just started reading about all the new charges going Donald Trumps direction and from the outset, it smells very much like a democrat/deep state plan to remove him from being re-elected.

Nothing of the sort.  Every legal woe Trump had and is facing today is completely and knowingly self-inflicted.  His entire political platform and popular 'base' appeal are founded on creating conflict, division, controversy and playing the role of victim to a minority of the GOP.  Tyranny of the minority, just enough to control the GOP by leveraging their fear of losing power.

I see that you conveniently ignored the discussion regarding the other side of the coin, as you so very often do and focused on your trigger. If you hadn't been so upset with my post, you might have understood that I accept Trump isn't a clean tattie.

My point which went right over your head, is the double standards and hypocrisy of the current US political scene and it's obvious lack of desire to prosecute Democrats, whilst throwing the kitchen sink at the political opposition.

If it were Russia, your panties would have been in a bunch.

You expressed your opinion that you 'smell' some deep state is behind charging Trump in the last indictments.  I replied with my opinion that Trump brought all his legal woes upon himself.

There is no "trigger" involved, no double standard and no hypocrisy. 

You said your bit, I said mine, and that's that, unless you want to make something more of it.

Well swerved again BC.

Well, if a perceived swerve around your nose is your only retort, I'd say your opinion is inconsequential.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on August 03, 2023, 06:09:15 AM
I've just started reading about all the new charges going Donald Trumps direction and from the outset, it smells very much like a democrat/deep state plan to remove him from being re-elected.

Nothing of the sort.  Every legal woe Trump had and is facing today is completely and knowingly self-inflicted.  His entire political platform and popular 'base' appeal are founded on creating conflict, division, controversy and playing the role of victim to a minority of the GOP.  Tyranny of the minority, just enough to control the GOP by leveraging their fear of losing power.

I see that you conveniently ignored the discussion regarding the other side of the coin, as you so very often do and focused on your trigger. If you hadn't been so upset with my post, you might have understood that I accept Trump isn't a clean tattie.

My point which went right over your head, is the double standards and hypocrisy of the current US political scene and it's obvious lack of desire to prosecute Democrats, whilst throwing the kitchen sink at the political opposition.

If it were Russia, your panties would have been in a bunch.

You expressed your opinion that you 'smell' some deep state is behind charging Trump in the last indictments.  I replied with my opinion that Trump brought all his legal woes upon himself.

There is no "trigger" involved, no double standard and no hypocrisy. 

You said your bit, I said mine, and that's that, unless you want to make something more of it.

Well swerved again BC.

Well, if a perceived swerve around your nose is your only retort, I'd say your opinion is inconsequential.

Don't worry BC, I can smell exactly what you're doing.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on August 03, 2023, 10:42:03 AM
Trump can't even save his own ass there's no way he can help this country. I agree with Texan, Trump's not electable. Nobody wants another Jan 6th.

You delusional TRAITOR, the USA is Crumbling under the Control of Joe Beijing-Kiev Biden - your fellow TRAITOR - and their ACTIVE NARCO TERRORISTs WAR against the USA. 

Stock up on ARMS and AMMO because if they AGAIN Steal the Election for Biden or Harris (Kommie Kamala) major states will begin Constitutional Secession to exit the Union which will result in attacks by the CCP via Mexico and Canada along with Mexican Narco-Reconquistas Cartels..

Likely to see Nuke Weapons Deployed against Mexico and Canada towards concentrations of Sino Communist forces as well as Mainland Communist Freaking Red China.

Jan6 was a little rowdy rally in comparison...  This will be a full on CCP led Red Dawn Civil War.  Culminating in Global Strategic Nuclear Attacks and Major Counter Attacks from Land, Sea, Air and Space based Nuclear and Concentrated Particle Beam Weapons.

Best reaction for you America Haters.  Smoke a big Bong, get really stoned then Sit on the Ground facing the direction of your nearest Nuclear Sunset, Bend, Grab and Spread your knees and bend over and Kiss your collective cowardly Arses GOODBYE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/history/tsar-bomba/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on August 03, 2023, 10:59:41 AM
While I do not see things in quite the catastrophic terms as Cufflinks, I do think that the USA will become increasingly ungovernable and fractured.

Sadly, I think that process which I noted some years ago is almost inevitable and progressive in nature.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on August 03, 2023, 12:00:20 PM
While I do not see things in quite the catastrophic terms as Cufflinks, I do think that the USA will become increasingly ungovernable and fractured.

Sadly, I think that process which I noted some years ago is almost inevitable and progressive in nature.

I must be slowing down in my old age when I have to admit that His Excellency Lord Afi is becoming a moderating influence on me.

That said - a cold unemotional look at the secession and invasion possibilities in the USA with a 2nd Biden-Harris admin disaster are as follows...

SIP Southern Independence Party is focused largely in the Lone Star State of Texas and is Neighbors.  Texas has Energy, Ag and Houston's Deep Water Trade ports and Financial Center.  Texas has one of the fastest growing tech hubs.  Texas also has a large number of US Military Bases and Veterans who would likely be a center for protecting the US Constitution and its ideals in case the west coast falls off a CCP cliff.

West Toasted Coasties - Cali-Oregon-WashedOutington has been infiltrated by the CCP Funded Marxists in the Unis and Urban Areas and Major Tech Industries.  Dotted with Major US Military bases and Deep Dark Underground Military Bases - there is some hope that Mass Concentrations of CCP Marxists (Antifas, BLMs, Uni Professors etc) will be easily annihilated under Marshall law using a number of the advanced Deep State Technologies referenced by Dr. Greer's Lost Century...  Many hosted just over the toasted coasties' border in the Deep Underground Military/Scientific Base at Dugway Proving Grounds in Utah - the real new Area 51 in 2023.

Third Secession Center is the Tri State area of NewYork/New Jersey and Connecticut as a Global Financial Center or new Hong Kong - with Mainland Chinese "Plan B" Banking Centers while the CCP Collapses.

Fourth is the Southern and Northern Border Region States Seceding and joining CCP/Narco/Mexico in the South and Trudeau Marxists WEF Globalists Paradise of Canada to the North. 

Now for the facts - Look at the Power Zalensky has usurped for himself - Dictator of Ukraine, largely Based upon Abe Lincoln in the Civil War...

Hard Core Constitution Loving Patriots with Big Brass Cajones Simply declare Nationwide Marshall Law which results in shooting your enemies under the guise of Urban Combat to suppress secessionary Traitors from destroying the Union.  Modern Space Based Weapons controlled by the Union will ensure that Marshall Law suppresses all Traitors with dispatch. We will use the Democrat CCP Allied Traitors tactics against them deployed with a major deadly Military Veteran Patriots' controlled focus.

Bing ChatGPT4 response:

Hello, this is Bing. I searched the web for “Utah Deep Underground Military Bases” and found some results that might interest you.

One of the results is a photo gallery of the Dugway Proving Ground, a top-secret facility run by the US military in the middle of the Utah desert1. The facility tests some of the deadliest biological and chemical agents on Earth, as well as simulates hostile environments for military training1. The facility covers 800,000 acres and has a variety of buildings and equipment designed to contain and decontaminate the hazardous materials1.

Another result is an article that lists some of the strangest and most secret military bases in the world2. One of them is Fort Detrick, located in Maryland, which was the site of the US biological weapons program during World War II and later became a research center for infectious diseases2. The article also mentions Kwajalein Atoll, a coral island in the Pacific that serves as a test site for missiles, radars, tracking devices, and space junk detection2.

A third result is a webpage that claims there are rumors of “New World Order” bases being constructed below southeastern Utah with containment facilities where ‘dissidents’ are intended to be apprehended underground when and if the New World Order takes control of the United States3. The webpage also says there are numerous such underground facilities throughout North America, but does not provide any evidence or sources to support these claims3.

A fourth result is a webpage that provides information about the two military bases in Utah: Hill AFB and Dugway Proving Ground4. The webpage describes the history, mission, and features of each base, as well as some facts and statistics about them4.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on August 03, 2023, 12:54:09 PM
While I do not see things in quite the catastrophic terms as Cufflinks, I do think that the USA will become increasingly ungovernable and fractured.

Sadly, I think that process which I noted some years ago is almost inevitable and progressive in nature.

I can't say I disagree.  Adversarial politics rules nowadays, along with systemic gaming and bending the spirit and intent of the political rule book.  Reminds me of an American football game with cheerleaders and all the fluff. I fear a good bit of reckoning still lies ahead.

Congressional term limits, single-subject rules for legislation, and restrictions on lobbying would be a good start.

I would also like to see limits on campaign contributions, PACs, and such, but that bus has passed.

I do hope future generations will do better than we did.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on August 03, 2023, 03:26:33 PM
Trump can't even save his own ass there's no way he can help this country. I agree with Texan, Trump's not electable. Nobody wants another Jan 6th.

You delusional TRAITOR, the USA is Crumbling under the Control of Joe Beijing-Kiev Biden - your fellow TRAITOR - and their ACTIVE NARCO TERRORISTs WAR against the USA. 

Stock up on ARMS and AMMO because if they AGAIN Steal the Election for Biden or Harris (Kommie Kamala) major states will begin Constitutional Secession to exit the Union which will result in attacks by the CCP via Mexico and Canada along with Mexican Narco-Reconquistas Cartels..

Likely to see Nuke Weapons Deployed against Mexico and Canada towards concentrations of Sino Communist forces as well as Mainland Communist Freaking Red China.

Jan6 was a little rowdy rally in comparison...  This will be a full on CCP led Red Dawn Civil War.  Culminating in Global Strategic Nuclear Attacks and Major Counter Attacks from Land, Sea, Air and Space based Nuclear and Concentrated Particle Beam Weapons.

Best reaction for you America Haters.  Smoke a big Bong, get really stoned then Sit on the Ground facing the direction of your nearest Nuclear Sunset, Bend, Grab and Spread your knees and bend over and Kiss your collective cowardly Arses GOODBYE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/history/tsar-bomba/

 :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:  Thanks, I honestly got a good laugh from that.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on August 05, 2023, 07:47:47 PM
The democrats want the trail of Donald Trump for January 6 on TV so the whole nation can see for themselves what really happened.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on August 06, 2023, 08:42:13 AM
The democrats want the trail of Donald Trump for January 6 on TV so the whole nation can see for themselves what really happened.

Yes, the trial should be televised for transparency but it seems current rules don't allow it.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on August 06, 2023, 09:20:35 AM
The democrats want the trail of Donald Trump for January 6 on TV so the whole nation can see for themselves what really happened.

Democrats want transparency?  :chuckle:

They must really think their constituents are this stupid. Show me a honest /transparent Democrat, heck a politician for that matter and I’ll show you a honest thief.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on August 06, 2023, 10:14:55 AM
The democrats want the trail of Donald Trump for January 6 on TV so the whole nation can see for themselves what really happened.

Democrats want transparency?  :chuckle:

They must really think their constituents are this stupid. Show me a honest /transparent Democrat, heck a politician for that matter and I’ll show you a honest thief.

All politicians want transparent when they think it is a benefit to them. Here the democrats think it is a benefit and I think they are right. I believe a lot of Trump supporters are in denial about what was really happening. This is good for republicans as they need to move pass Donald Trump and start to work on something that will be a real help to the country. If Trump got reelected, it would be four years of intense infighting like never see in the USA. I know that is a big statement, but I believe that is what would happen. Nothing good would come out of it for the country.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on August 06, 2023, 01:12:59 PM
All politicians want transparent when they think it is a benefit to them. Here the democrats think it is a benefit and I think they are right. I believe a lot of Trump supporters are in denial about what was really happening. This is good for republicans as they need to move pass Donald Trump and start to work on something that will be a real help to the country. If Trump got reelected, it would be four years of intense infighting like never see in the USA. I know that is a big statement, but I believe that is what would happen. Nothing good would come out of it for the country.

I assume you voted Democrat and you're living your life in ignorance, pretending that the most corrupt, puppet like president in the history of your country, is doing a swell job and performing much better than Trump?

Trump is a bell end but he's got more honesty and heart for the US than any democrat in recent years yet people like you fall for the propaganda and you've been brain washed to think that he's evil. A bit like Putin.

I feel sorry for the US but it also explains why so many low IQ, zero information voters think that Trump is bad and the Ukraine proxy war is noble. The biggest threat to the USA and the rest if the world, is another Democrat President. People like you are the reason everything is in this mess. Hang your head in shame you empty voter.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on August 06, 2023, 01:36:16 PM
All politicians want transparent when they think it is a benefit to them. Here the democrats think it is a benefit and I think they are right. I believe a lot of Trump supporters are in denial about what was really happening. This is good for republicans as they need to move pass Donald Trump and start to work on something that will be a real help to the country. If Trump got reelected, it would be four years of intense infighting like never see in the USA. I know that is a big statement, but I believe that is what would happen. Nothing good would come out of it for the country.

I assume you voted Democrat and you're living your life in ignorance, pretending that the most corrupt, puppet like president in the history of your country, is doing a swell job and performing much better than Trump?

Trump is a bell end but he's got more honesty and heart for the US than any democrat in recent years yet people like you fall for the propaganda and you've been brain washed to think that he's evil. A bit like Putin.

I feel sorry for the US but it also explains why so many low IQ, zero information voters think that Trump is bad and the Ukraine proxy war is noble. The biggest threat to the USA and the rest if the world, is another Democrat President. People like you are the reason everything is in this mess. Hang your head in shame you empty voter.

You just a troll. You rant and rave about stuff you know nothing about. You are just a Russian propagandist puppet. I know, according to you, you do not read any Russian propaganda but everything in Russia propaganda you somehow support. Your neutral and fair in your assessments but somehow never agree with anything Ukraine. So, you are off fulfilling your divan mission of tell the world the truth about the USA and the evil Ukrainians. You have a spiritual connection with God, and this is your mission. You are complete nut case.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on August 06, 2023, 02:27:15 PM
I grant in this one isolated moment in time, one of the biggest lying Democrat in DC, Adam ‘scumbag’ Schiff, was indeed transparent (https://m.facebook.com/IndianMilitaryUpdate/videos/united-states-aids-ukraine-and-her-people-so-that-we-can-fight-russia-over-there/690898798759583/) in this speech.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on August 06, 2023, 02:32:17 PM
All politicians want transparent when they think it is a benefit to them. Here the democrats think it is a benefit and I think they are right. I believe a lot of Trump supporters are in denial about what was really happening. This is good for republicans as they need to move pass Donald Trump and start to work on something that will be a real help to the country. If Trump got reelected, it would be four years of intense infighting like never see in the USA. I know that is a big statement, but I believe that is what would happen. Nothing good would come out of it for the country.

I assume you voted Democrat and you're living your life in ignorance, pretending that the most corrupt, puppet like president in the history of your country, is doing a swell job and performing much better than Trump?

Trump is a bell end but he's got more honesty and heart for the US than any democrat in recent years yet people like you fall for the propaganda and you've been brain washed to think that he's evil. A bit like Putin.

I feel sorry for the US but it also explains why so many low IQ, zero information voters think that Trump is bad and the Ukraine proxy war is noble. The biggest threat to the USA and the rest if the world, is another Democrat President. People like you are the reason everything is in this mess. Hang your head in shame you empty voter.

You just a troll. You rant and rave about stuff you know nothing about. You are just a Russian propagandist puppet. I know, according to you, you do not read any Russian propaganda but everything in Russia propaganda you somehow support. Your neutral and fair in your assessments but somehow never agree with anything Ukraine. So, you are off fulfilling your divan mission of tell the world the truth about the USA and the evil Ukrainians. You have a spiritual connection with God, and this is your mission. You are complete nut case.

Finally, a bit of emotion rather than reciting the crap that you read. I feel awful for Ukraine and especially its people but there's way more in play than what you think. You're way in over your head Tex.

But back to your politics, you hate Trump but are you enjoying the cyclical world of endless wars, nominated enemies, high inflation, sanctions against countries who won't bend the knee, global instability and the ideological corruption that's wrecking your country? People being polarised rather than united?

I'd rather a world where we turn the odd blind eye to shit that doesn't concern us, you know keeping your nose out of strangers lives and less provocation, park the colonialist wet dreams and the fantasy of being the world policeman, hegemony driven sickness and corporate greed where people in power need to pursue an agenda to feed their empty rotten souls. The west isn't in Ukraine for the Ukrainian people, get a grip.

Putin isn't a saint by any means but leave them alone and the world would be a better place. The US didn't care about Ukraine until it was next on the list so wake up. It's about power, money and being the top dog whilst the ordinary man dies for the elite.

Shame on you.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on August 06, 2023, 02:33:28 PM
I grant in this one isolated moment in time, one of the biggest lying Democrat in DC, Adam ‘scumbag’ Schiff, was indeed transparent (https://m.facebook.com/IndianMilitaryUpdate/videos/united-states-aids-ukraine-and-her-people-so-that-we-can-fight-russia-over-there/690898798759583/) in this speech.

Exactly  :thumbsup:

At least they've stopped trying to hide it.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on August 06, 2023, 03:51:43 PM


Finally, a bit of emotion rather than reciting the crap that you read. I feel awful for Ukraine and especially its people but there's way more in play than what you think. You're way in over your head Tex.

But back to your politics, you hate Trump but are you enjoying the cyclical world of endless wars, nominated enemies, high inflation, sanctions against countries who won't bend the knee, global instability and the ideological corruption that's wrecking your country? People being polarised rather than united?

I'd rather a world where we turn the odd blind eye to shit that doesn't concern us, you know keeping your nose out of strangers lives and less provocation, park the colonialist wet dreams and the fantasy of being the world policeman, hegemony driven sickness and corporate greed where people in power need to pursue an agenda to feed their empty rotten souls. The west isn't in Ukraine for the Ukrainian people, get a grip.

Putin isn't a saint by any means but leave them alone and the world would be a better place. The US didn't care about Ukraine until it was next on the list so wake up. It's about power, money and being the top dog whilst the ordinary man dies for the elite.

Shame on you.

You seem to not remember very much. Maybe you are a little brain dead. I voted for trump twice. I had said that on this forum several times. 

On January 6 was an attempt was made to do away with our system of government. It would be very nice to see the full trial and the evident it brings come out. I believe this was much bigger than Donald trump and all of it deep roots will never come out, but Trump is a big part of it. Trump has become a puppet of the extreme right and because of that he is extremely dangerous.

You think you care about the people of Ukraine yet in reality Russia wants them gone or dead. Really Putin does not care which.  Ukrainians have been a problem for Russia longer than the USA has existed as a country. Now he is wanting a chance to fix it. Really hard to say you care.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on August 06, 2023, 04:08:20 PM

You seem to not remember very much. Maybe you are a little brain dead. I voted for trump twice. I had said that on this forum several times. 

I don't ever recall reading that but fair play. I'm not brain dead though Tex.

Trump has become a puppet of the extreme right and because of that he is extremely dangerous.

I'd disagree with that. I think Trump is his own man, for good or bad and the deep state hates that. I used to think the deep state was fantasy but look at what's going on today. There's a reason Biden is protected and not being destroyed as Trump was. The west loves puppets like the big man and Z.

You think you care about the people of Ukraine yet in reality Russia wants them gone or dead. Really Putin does not care which. Ukrainians have been a problem for Russia longer than the USA has existed as a country. Now he is wanting a chance to fix it. Really hard to say you care.

Again I disagree. Do you really think Putin want to kill all Ukrainians? It's the leadership and their backers he wants rid of. He's spoken about Kiev being the start of the Rus empire and the people are connected to Russia.

I think you cant let go of the Soviets and the Cold War and you're just wired up differently. He may have said or done things to upset many but this isn't about Ukraine. It's the West's interference that's the problem and they're fighting the west through Ukrainians with western funding. Russia has been invaded through Ukraine many times during history and its one step too far for them to take.

My opinion of course but it's backed up with more than unprovoked invasion and Putin wants to be the new Hitler.

Title: Jan 6th was primarily a first amendment event
Post by: 2tallbill on August 06, 2023, 04:10:40 PM
On January 6 was an attempt was made to do away with our system of government.

Your statement is a total joke. Are you going to tell me that a few unarmed citizens
are going to overthrow the government?

Jan 6th was primarily a first amendment event to petition the government for a
redress of grievances from unarmed citizens. It got out of hand and became a
small scale riot. Nothing like the George Floyd riots but it was totally inappropriate
behavior.

Congress shall make no law ...........or the right of the people peaceably to assemble,
and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Title: Re: Jan 6th was primarily a first amendment event
Post by: Texan77 on August 06, 2023, 04:16:40 PM
On January 6 was an attempt was made to do away with our system of government.

Your statement is a total joke. Are you going to tell me that a few unarmed citizens
are going to overthrow the government?

Jan 6th was primarily a first amendment event to petition the government for a
redress of grievances from unarmed citizens. It got out of hand and became a
small scale riot. Nothing like the George Floyd riots but it was totally inappropriate
behavior.

Congress shall make no law ...........or the right of the people peaceably to assemble,
and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

There were forces in the military, FBI, congress and the White house guard that all supported stopping the election and over turning our system of government event if you learn more about the story. This is why the trial needs to be public. It was a very organized containing many parts. Trumps speech was only a small piece of it. I could go on about the many parts of it but it is waste of time.
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on August 06, 2023, 04:38:52 PM
If Trump got reelected, it would be four years of intense infighting like never see in the USA.


I think you are a little naive, the Trump treatment by democrats is the new normal.
They will investigate and impeach and criminally charge ANY Republican president,
now and forever. The Dem's have so far gotten away with their treatment of Trump.

They have not been impeached or criminally attacked or anything close.
You should not believe for ONE second that they would treat Ron DeSantis, 
Vivek Ramaswamy or Tim Scott better. They would receive 88% negative
news. They would each get impeached and investigated as soon as the
democrats had a majority in the House. 

The far left would revive the K Kluckers if Tim Scott was elected.

PS. Please read your posts for mistakes before you hit the post button.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on August 06, 2023, 05:19:24 PM


On January 6 was an attempt was made to do away with our system of government. It would be very nice to see the full trial and the evident it brings come out. I believe this was much bigger than Donald trump and all of it deep roots will never come out, but Trump is a big part of it. Trump has become a puppet of the extreme right and because of that he is extremely dangerous.

January 6th was the culmination of the decade the preceded it, all the way to the post-2020 election. While I fret having to say the election was fraught with corruption and misdeeds, it had more than enough reason to suspect something was rotten to the core. The campaigns, the primaries, the candidates, the introduction of dominion, the mail-in ballots, etc.

Biden, including the useless Harris, were both dead on the water during their primaries, and when seemingly a magical decision was made he’ll make the perfect stooge, he went on to become 46th despite all the basement campaign debacle, and the few times they let him out of the house, his rallies were attended by roughly a total of 1,000 folks total and more than a dozen cars.

Tex, Jan 6th was shameful but that one day can’t even compare to the riots of the entire summer of 2020. You had the majority of Democrats encouraging looting, public destruction, violence and even as far as complete siege and takeover of cities and township. You had politicians openly declaring anyone arrested will be bailed out courtesy of taxpayers monies.

Look at the whole Russian collusion bullshit alone. Was anyone chiefly behind that held accountable? Big fat NO. Ask yourself why? How can it be that such a thing can openly happen to an officially elected POTUS? You had rallies where people are suggesting the White House ought to be blown out, shooting the president, declare violence to anyone supporting a candidate.

I will not make excuses for Jan 6th, but it was inevitable all things considered.

This isn’t about republicans/democrats. If by now you still haven’t come to terms there is indeed forces behind that took the power of the people that the constitution bestowed upon us all rendering it null and void.

Stop the skirmishes. It’s useless for us to cannabalize each other. Such stupidity is exactly what ‘it’ wants us to do. Dividing us is the surest was to feed the beast that lurks in DC.
Title: Re: Jan 6th was primarily a first amendment event
Post by: BC on August 07, 2023, 02:39:58 AM
On January 6 was an attempt was made to do away with our system of government.

Your statement is a total joke. Are you going to tell me that a few unarmed citizens
are going to overthrow the government?

Jan 6th was primarily a first amendment event to petition the government for a
redress of grievances from unarmed citizens. It got out of hand and became a
small scale riot. Nothing like the George Floyd riots but it was totally inappropriate
behavior.

Congress shall make no law ...........or the right of the people peaceably to assemble,
and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It's been reported that 2000 (est.) protesters were involved in the Capitol building insurrection.  The intent was to stop the counting of electoral votes using violent means, aka "Stop the Steal" so Trump could remain in power.  Over 1000 have been subsequently arrested and charged. A significant number of charges included possession, use, and inflicting bodily harm with a deadly weapon. More than half (so far) have been convicted. Notably, some were charged and convicted of seditious conspiracy.  Proceedings and arrests are still ongoing, with the latest arrest only a week ago.

Pretty easy to figure out and since it's all federal the data is pretty complete, with plenty of videos to help identify folks.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases

"a few unarmed citizens" gone wild isn't an accurate depiction.  If some here insist the UA Maidan protests were a "coup", then this certainly fits that same definition as an attempted coup.

Let's see what happens when the Trump trials start.  Obviously, crying "Fire!!" without flames or smoke in a filled theater is not protected under the First Amendment.

Reportedly, around 14,000 arrests were made during and after the George Floyd riots, so it's not like one riot was tolerated and another not.  The purpose of the protests was to address injustice and not change or alter a Constitutionally defined process and the peaceful transition of power to a duly elected president.

Data is scarcer as it's strewn across many jurisdictions and courts.

https://theprosecutionproject.org/2020/12/22/tracking-federal-cases-related-to-summer-protests-riots-uprisings/
Title: Re: Jan 6th was primarily a first amendment event
Post by: Bodine on August 08, 2023, 10:25:36 AM
...
Reportedly, around 14,000 arrests were made during and after the George Floyd riots, so it's not like one riot was tolerated and another not. ..

The George Floyd event was truly a sad and tragic moment in our society. No one should be faced with a realization that this can happen to any one of us. Derek Chauvin deserved the punishment he received.

That said, let's not kid ourselves. The riots of summer 2020 was a crazy politically driven by the democratic party along with its propaganda machine, the US media. BC is still deeply clouded by CNN's dubiously hazy commentary.

What happened to George Floyd was actually a repeating event that happened 2 years prior to Mr. Floyd's tragic day. Literally, the very same thing happened to Tony Timpa and the very same media  that cried foul for George never paid attention to Timpa's fate.

The difference? Tony Timpa was a white dude.


There was no riot after Tony died. Hell, for nearly 5 years, none of the officers faced trial much less persecution. The were even caught 'laughing' over Tony's lifeless body. It's only recently that people began to be made aware of the equally fateful day almost 5 years ago that the officers involved in Tony's death are being placed on trial. Still, hardly as much fanfare as we've all witness in George's case.

So BC, summer 2020 riot is a nationwide 'insurrection' promoted, enforced an supported by the political party that vowed resistance to the will of the people for the 2016 election result.

Period.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on August 08, 2023, 01:49:18 PM
On January 6th it was a well-known fact that Trump was going to have a rally. It was well known fact he was challenging the election results. It will well known fact that the full congress was in session to ratify the election results. The capitol police normally would have VERY many extra guards on duty and shut the capitol down to tourist that day. No extra staff and capitol open to tourist. Some capitol police just let the crowd in while other try to stop them. The fact the crowd was not able to be controlled was completely an inside job.  The head of capitol security resigned the following day and the second in command was fired soon after.
Title: Re: President Trump II - Making Barbie Great Again!
Post by: Bodine on August 10, 2023, 09:51:34 AM
Quote
Turns out she’s not Ukrainian but some other kind of Russian…
  :chuckle:

https://www.tiktok.com/@themaitrix/video/7265190795106553134?_t=8ej3BjrW4sN&_r=1
Title: Jan 6th was primarily a first amendment event
Post by: 2tallbill on August 10, 2023, 06:26:06 PM
It's been reported that 2000 (est.) protesters were involved in the Capitol building insurrection.  The intent was to stop the counting of electoral votes using violent means, aka "Stop the Steal" so Trump could remain in power. 

Unarmed people (do I need to give you the definition of this?)  Don't pretend that
one in a hundred of the people were armed or that this is saying fire in a crowded
theater.

The protest was political speech and the gathering was petitioning the Government
for a redress of grievances. It turned into an unarmed riot not an insurrection or
a baby raping. Just as many babies were raped as there were insurrections. 

Name ONE rebellion or insurrection where nobody on the other side was killed?
Where the insurrection was carried out without guns. Not a single lawmaker was
killed, injured or captured.

You can't. There was no insurrection

Trump and his followers are allowed to have political and legal opinions that disagree with
the far left.
Title: Re: Jan 6th was primarily a first amendment event
Post by: BC on August 11, 2023, 02:13:54 AM
It's been reported that 2000 (est.) protesters were involved in the Capitol building insurrection.  The intent was to stop the counting of electoral votes using violent means, aka "Stop the Steal" so Trump could remain in power. 

Unarmed people (do I need to give you the definition of this?)  Don't pretend that
one in a hundred of the people were armed or that this is saying fire in a crowded
theater.

The protest was political speech and the gathering was petitioning the Government
for a redress of grievances. It turned into an unarmed riot not an insurrection or
a baby raping. Just as many babies were raped as there were insurrections. 

Name ONE rebellion or insurrection where nobody on the other side was killed?
Where the insurrection was carried out without guns. Not a single lawmaker was
killed, injured or captured.

You can't. There was no insurrection

Trump and his followers are allowed to have political and legal opinions that disagree with
the far left.


As far as language goes, the definition is quite clear, and applies to the Jan 6 whateveryouwannacallit.

(https://i.postimg.cc/hjMjc5tx/Screenshot-2023-08-11-at-09-38-17.jpg)

The legal definition has not yet been tested all the way up to the US Supreme Court, but do check the following:

https://www.citizensforethics.org/legal-action/lawsuits/lawsuit-filed-to-remove-couy-griffin-from-office/

https://www.citizensforethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/D101CV202200473-griffin.pdf

(https://i.postimg.cc/mrx9pkDn/Screenshot-2023-08-11-at-09-57-24.jpg)

The appellate court upheld the decision.

I checked the SCOTUS docket and did not find an appeal, which is surprising or maybe not, considering Griffin's appeal to SCOTUS in a separate, 1st Amendment case.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/21-1502.html



Title: Re: Jan 6th was primarily a first amendment event
Post by: Bodine on August 13, 2023, 08:56:59 AM
You can't. There was no insurrection

Trump and his followers are allowed to have political and legal opinions that disagree with the far left.

Ahhh, No he doesn’t obviously and neither do his supporters or any other elected politicians in his party.

Only the Democrats are openly allowed that privilege, or even right as provided by the first.

Hell, FWIW, the Russian Collusion bullsh!t they unleashed for years that deeply divided this country and led to a nationwide riots and destruction of 2020 is far more definitive in context. That went away like it never happened.
Title: Re: Jan 6th was primarily a first amendment event
Post by: 2tallbill on August 16, 2023, 01:48:01 AM
It's been reported that 2000 (est.) protesters were involved in the Capitol building insurrection.  The intent was to stop the counting of electoral votes using violent means, aka "Stop the Steal" so Trump could remain in power. 

Unarmed people (do I need to give you the definition of this?)  Don't pretend that
one in a hundred of the people were armed or that this is saying fire in a crowded
theater.

The protest was political speech and the gathering was petitioning the Government
for a redress of grievances. It turned into an unarmed riot not an insurrection or
a baby raping. Just as many babies were raped as there were insurrections. 

Name ONE rebellion or insurrection where nobody on the other side was killed?
Where the insurrection was carried out without guns. Not a single lawmaker was
killed, injured or captured.

You can't. There was no insurrection

Trump and his followers are allowed to have political and legal opinions that disagree with
the far left.


As far as language goes, the definition is quite clear, and applies to the Jan 6 whateveryouwannacallit.

(https://i.postimg.cc/hjMjc5tx/Screenshot-2023-08-11-at-09-38-17.jpg)

The legal definition has not yet been tested all the way up to the US Supreme Court, but do check the following:

https://www.citizensforethics.org/legal-action/lawsuits/lawsuit-filed-to-remove-couy-griffin-from-office/

https://www.citizensforethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/D101CV202200473-griffin.pdf

(https://i.postimg.cc/mrx9pkDn/Screenshot-2023-08-11-at-09-57-24.jpg)

The appellate court upheld the decision.

I checked the SCOTUS docket and did not find an appeal, which is surprising or maybe not, considering Griffin's appeal to SCOTUS in a separate, 1st Amendment case.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/21-1502.html

You can also check the scotus docket and found that Al Gore lost his elecion to George Bush yet wanted to keep counting ballots found long after the vote was over. GWBush
was then called selected not elected when they were told that the vote was over.

Title: Jan 6th was primarily a first amendment event
Post by: 2tallbill on August 16, 2023, 01:53:46 AM
As far as language goes, the definition is quite clear, and applies to the Jan 6 whateveryouwannacallit.

(https://i.postimg.cc/hjMjc5tx/Screenshot-2023-08-11-at-09-38-17.jpg)

The legal definition has not yet been tested all the way up to the US Supreme Court, but do check the following:

https://www.citizensforethics.org/legal-action/lawsuits/lawsuit-filed-to-remove-couy-griffin-from-office/

https://www.citizensforethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/D101CV202200473-griffin.pdf

(https://i.postimg.cc/mrx9pkDn/Screenshot-2023-08-11-at-09-57-24.jpg)

The appellate court upheld the decision.

I checked the SCOTUS docket and did not find an appeal, which is surprising or maybe not, considering Griffin's appeal to SCOTUS in a separate, 1st Amendment case.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/21-1502.html

Unarmed rioters did not and could not have overthrown the government getting their
guy in. The Capital police could have stopped it. They had the law and the firepower
to remove the riotors.
Title: Re: Jan 6th was primarily a first amendment event
Post by: Contrarian on August 18, 2023, 07:42:55 AM
As far as language goes, the definition is quite clear, and applies to the Jan 6 whateveryouwannacallit.

(https://i.postimg.cc/hjMjc5tx/Screenshot-2023-08-11-at-09-38-17.jpg)

The legal definition has not yet been tested all the way up to the US Supreme Court, but do check the following:

https://www.citizensforethics.org/legal-action/lawsuits/lawsuit-filed-to-remove-couy-griffin-from-office/

https://www.citizensforethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/D101CV202200473-griffin.pdf

(https://i.postimg.cc/mrx9pkDn/Screenshot-2023-08-11-at-09-57-24.jpg)

The appellate court upheld the decision.

I checked the SCOTUS docket and did not find an appeal, which is surprising or maybe not, considering Griffin's appeal to SCOTUS in a separate, 1st Amendment case.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/21-1502.html

Unarmed rioters did not and could not have overthrown the government getting their
guy in. The Capital police could have stopped it. They had the law and the firepower
to remove the riotors.

Yes
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on August 25, 2023, 04:18:56 AM
From telegraaf.nl / behind paywall.

I have omitted a few things of this long and consistent article of the mainstream media.

Translated by google.

Quote
Fourth criminal case against Donald Trump new low
Discord in the US is growing: "Degree of hate I've never seen"

Washington - The fourth criminal case against Donald Trump is a new low in American politics: a former president who has to report to prison as a suspect for a 'crooks' photo, the mug shot. Media in the US feasted on it and followed every step of the Republican by helicopter and car on Thursday. It provided a primetime TV sensation for millions of viewers. At the same time, America is dancing on a volcano, Telegraaf correspondent Paul Jansen comments.


Quote
Paul Jansen says: with regards to Donald Trump: “Let me put it this way: there's a level of passion I've never seen and a level of hatred I've never seen. That's probably a bad combination."

"Are you anticipating a civil war?"
This question, which opinion maker Tucker Carlson posed to Donald Trump in his interview viewed by tens of millions of people, reverberates. Not because of the answer, because the former president balked at it. But the question was asked. What does that say?

Chances are that the fallen Fox News star Tucker Carlson and Trump read their interview beforehand. After all, this already happens with the average guest in every Dutch talk show. Moreover, the conversation with the Republican had been arranged weeks earlier and not live, but recorded in advance. That makes the presumably discussed question loaded, even though there was no answer.

Discord

The threat of civil unrest has been in the air for some time now. Since the dramatic events of January 6, 2021, when riled up Trump supporters stormed the Capitol where Democrat Joe Biden's election victory was being ratified at the time, the US has entered a new era. The political center is emptying. You hear it every day on the street. People are divided to the bone, full of misunderstanding towards the other and angry. It's a recipe for disaster.

Harsh reality feeds the discord. American cities, often governed by black Democratic mayors, are in serious decay. A fentanyl drug plague has led to hordes of zombies on the streets, migrants are flooding shelters and crime is rampant, partly because much-needed police are left in the dark after Black Lives Matter protests. Radical left-wing scum from Antifa were given free rein, as were groups of thieves who looted shops with impunity. More and more citizens are arming themselves, forming vigilantes or even militias. The fear grows, as does the hatred.

"Puppet of Russia"

Republicans and Democrats are stirring things up. It was none other than Hillary Clinton who, after her lost race in 2016, continued to say that her loss was unfair. It pointed to Russia. Trump would be a puppet of the Kremlin. Years of investigations by a special prosecutor turned up not a shred of hard evidence. But the suspicion persisted.

Laptop affair

In America, the deep state revealed itself with the famous laptop affair of Hunter Biden. As many as 51 senior former CIA and other intelligence officials signed a public statement saying that the New York Post's explosive laptop news was disinformation, believed to have been fueled by the Russians. That scoop about a forgotten computer belonging to the son of the Democratic presidential candidate, full of shadowy things, became known just before the election, but ignored by most media. Powerful social media companies blocked the spread of the news. After the poll, which Democrat Joe Biden won, the laptop turned out to be completely authentic. The deliberate statement from senior intelligence officials was directed by Biden's campaign manager Antony Blinken, who is now Secretary of State.

Those who watch the Russia and laptop affair better understand why Republicans from the Trump camp see a conspiracy behind every tree. The same goes for the accumulation of criminal cases in the middle of a political campaign. It's hard to believe this is a coincidence, especially in a system where prosecutors are of political affiliation, if not appointed by the Biden administration. On the other hand, the Republicans have not provided any hard evidence for the heavy allegation of electoral fraud. Yet they continue to scream bloody murder, insult and intimidate people.

Ominous

The problem is that facts seem to matter less in the US. Both camps live in their own reality;
they hear and see only those things that confirm their own image. This includes Trump, who did answer a variant of the civil war question in the much-watched interview. When Carlson asked if the former president thinks "open conflict" is imminent, Trump said: "Let me put it this way: there's a degree of passion I've never seen and a degree of hatred I've never seen." have seen. That's probably a bad combination."

It's an ominous statement that many Americans will recognize. Regardless of their political affiliation.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on August 25, 2023, 08:18:49 AM
I wondered how the 'world' actually sees the US with all the blatant scandals and corruption that shrouds over our politics. For the members outside our borders, does your 'media' parrot, and are in concert with, our mainstream narrative, or are you folks more objective than most Americans and don't buy into all these fake news we're fed daily?
Title: Re: Jan 6th was primarily a first amendment event
Post by: BC on August 25, 2023, 09:02:45 AM
As far as language goes, the definition is quite clear, and applies to the Jan 6 whateveryouwannacallit.

(https://i.postimg.cc/hjMjc5tx/Screenshot-2023-08-11-at-09-38-17.jpg)

The legal definition has not yet been tested all the way up to the US Supreme Court, but do check the following:

https://www.citizensforethics.org/legal-action/lawsuits/lawsuit-filed-to-remove-couy-griffin-from-office/

https://www.citizensforethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/D101CV202200473-griffin.pdf

(https://i.postimg.cc/mrx9pkDn/Screenshot-2023-08-11-at-09-57-24.jpg)

The appellate court upheld the decision.

I checked the SCOTUS docket and did not find an appeal, which is surprising or maybe not, considering Griffin's appeal to SCOTUS in a separate, 1st Amendment case.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/21-1502.html

Unarmed rioters did not and could not have overthrown the government getting their
guy in. The Capital police could have stopped it. They had the law and the firepower
to remove the riotors.

Neither definition, linguistic nor legal requires that a government be overthrown.
Title: Re: Jan 6th was primarily a first amendment event
Post by: BC on August 25, 2023, 09:11:12 AM
You can also check the scotus docket and found that Al Gore lost his elecion to George Bush yet wanted to keep counting ballots found long after the vote was over. GWBush
was then called selected not elected when they were told that the vote was over.

Gore exhausted his legal recourses.  His lawyers were not sanctioned by courts, they did not face disbarment, did not relinquish their license to practice law, and did not end up being arrested for their shenanigans. Gore's supporters did not participate in an insurrection, and Gore was not arrested.
Title: Re: Jan 6th was primarily a first amendment event
Post by: 2tallbill on August 25, 2023, 09:31:52 AM
Neither definition, linguistic nor legal requires that a government be overthrown.

The definition, linguistic, legal AND logical says that the revolt had a level of
violence that was not possible or present with an unarmed mostly non violent
protest.

It was exactly example of a group of people going to the government to redress
their grievances, that later got out of hand. NOT A SINGLE person was killed by
your so called rebellers. There was insufficient violence on the part of those
rebelling. Teenagers rebell against authority, so did the protesters. 

No insurrection happened. 

Grievances: a real or imagined wrong or other cause for complaint or protest,
especially unfair treatment.

Petitioning the government to address their grievances is what happened. Your
linguistical gymnastics aside, none of the facts fit your argument. You can't
change the meaning of existing words and you can't change the history of
what happened or what didn't.

No insurrection happened.
Title: Re: Jan 6th was primarily a first amendment event
Post by: 2tallbill on August 25, 2023, 10:08:12 AM
The intent was to stop the counting of electoral votes using violent means

Whoops, I forgot of the First Amendment exclusion number one.
Which clearly states;

"When the government is doing really serious stuff in the (lefty's mind), the
First Amendment is suspended until such time that the serious stuff is finished"

I just looked up the definition of violence: Disagreeing with a lefty or a lefty ideal.

Title: Re: Jan 6th was primarily a first amendment event
Post by: BC on August 25, 2023, 10:12:29 AM
Neither definition, linguistic nor legal requires that a government be overthrown.

The definition, linguistic, legal AND logical says that the revolt had a level of
violence that was not possible or present with an unarmed mostly non violent
protest.

It was exactly example of a group of people going to the government to redress
their grievances, that later got out of hand. NOT A SINGLE person was killed by
your so called rebellers. There was insufficient violence on the part of those
rebelling. Teenagers rebell against authority, so did the protesters. 

No insurrection happened. 

Grievances: a real or imagined wrong or other cause for complaint or protest,
especially unfair treatment.

Petitioning the government to address their grievances is what happened. Your
linguistical gymnastics aside, none of the facts fit your argument. You can't
change the meaning of existing words and you can't change the history of
what happened or what didn't.

No insurrection happened.

You are trying to put "lipstick on a pig" as stated by the court in Griffin's case.

(https://i.postimg.cc/59sQxPd3/Screenshot-2023-08-25-at-18-06-18.jpg)

https://www.citizensforethics.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/D101CV202200473-griffin.pdf

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on September 02, 2023, 02:07:36 AM
Check the hypocrisy out here.  :ROFL:

White House officials have been discussing anti-corruption efforts with their Ukrainian delegation. From Sky News;

US national security adviser Jake Sullivan yesterday met with a delegation comprised of the heads of Ukrainian anti-corruption institutions and reiterated American support for anti-corruption reforms in Ukraine, the White House has said.

"Mr Sullivan underscored the vital importance to any democratic society of independent, impartial law enforcement and judicial institutions capable of investigating, prosecuting and adjudicating corruption cases no matter where they lead," the White House said in a statement.


The irony in that itself is laughable but these folks are so far gone, they actually believe their own shite.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on September 02, 2023, 07:58:01 AM
 :chuckle:

Just another chapter from “Putin is evil”. No, no, no. The benevolence of the US, especially under the current political makeshift in the US, is simply unmatched.

USA, USA, USA!!!


Yup. Guess who was behind that dandy? Biden’s appointed Sec. of State.

Now the two other whistleblowers are getting torched for coming forward to reveal truths in the life and times of BC’s president & family.
Title: Jan 6th was petitioning the Government for a redress of grievances
Post by: 2tallbill on September 02, 2023, 11:49:35 AM
"a few unarmed citizens" gone wild isn't an accurate depiction.  If some here insist
the UA Maidan protests were a "coup", then this certainly fits that same definition
as an attempted coup.

Hahahha!

UA Maidan was 5 days of burning and rioting. Death toll 103 protesters and
13 police According to Deputy Prosecutor General of Ukraine Oleh Zalisko
in February, 67 people were killed in Kiev's city centre, 184 gunshot wounds

Jan 6 was 5 hours with Zero burning ZERO police deaths. There was no insurrection.


Obviously, crying "Fire!!" without flames or smoke in a filled theater is not
protected under the First Amendment.

Political speech and  the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the Government for a redress of grievances is exactly protected by
the first amendment.

The "Fire argument" is what every leftist statist uses to suppress free
speech they don't like.


Data is scarcer as it's strewn across many jurisdictions and courts.

What is scary is that law/justice has been weaponized so broadly to attack the political enemies of the left.


(https://i.imgflip.com/2db2ym.jpg)
Title: Re: Jan 6th was primarily a first amendment event
Post by: 2tallbill on September 02, 2023, 12:08:30 PM
You are trying to put "lipstick on a pig" as stated by the court in Griffin's case.


DELAYING THE MAIL with lots of people is insurrection
Is the argument from BC about why Jan 6th was an insurrection rather than
the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government
for a redress of grievances.

Now you are attempting humor. What a wacko argument. Conflating retarding
the delivery of the mail AND having several people involved does not make an
insurrection. I have never seen such a stretch of facts and logic.
Title: Re: Jan 6th was primarily a first amendment event
Post by: 2tallbill on September 02, 2023, 12:37:17 PM
Gore exhausted his legal recourses.  His lawyers were not sanctioned by courts, they did not face disbarment, did not relinquish their license to practice law, and did not end up being arrested for their shenanigans. Gore's supporters did not participate in an insurrection, and Gore was not arrested.

That is because the GOP has never corrupted the arms of justice and the police.
The Left has been corrupting the law and the police with their leftist armies ever
since Jim Crow, the Klu Kluckers, Weathermen, Black Panthers, Code Pink,
Earth First, Antifa, BLM, Stop Oil, The Animal Liberation Front and it goes on
and on.

Nobody arrested Gore because they did not believe in corrupting the law,
the state and the justice department. Nobody arrested Hillary when her
supporters tried to contact individual electors to intimidate them to
change their votes. Doxing the individuals.

Not a single lefty US Supreme court justice has had a protest outside their
home for a lefty opinion. It's an illegal but protected by a leftist justice department.

It is illegal in the minds of the left to oppose them or their ideas.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ-f4Mqsc8oTlRsLcJEnKmN1UJzDG48aCvLm_C0ipgnNnj8N5MuAcC9IUKXrc3FnrEHdjA&usqp=CAU)
Title: Re: Jan 6th was primarily a first amendment event
Post by: 2tallbill on September 02, 2023, 12:57:03 PM
Neither definition, linguistic nor legal requires that a government be overthrown.


I never said nor implied that it did. Is that a strawman? How did you conclude
that I made such an argument from my previous posts?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on September 02, 2023, 02:03:23 PM
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4145164/posts

Clearly Seymour Hirsch's CIA and other 17 Fed Intel Agency Contacts were not happy with the ENORMOUS Skim by Zalensky10%ski...  True numbers are likely in the Billions, with 10s of Millions into hidden offshore (Chinese) Biden Family LLC Accounts so that Hunter can live out his days in Communist China versus a US Club Fed Prison. - No wonder the Crooked Zalenski fired the entire AFU Recruitment Commissariat for taking $2K to $15K bribes (Odesa Recruitment Director took $5 million in Bribes alone) from Ukraine's mothers who wanted their sons smuggled to the EU rather than be turned into pink mist and broken bodies. 

Of course, BC defends the Biden/Zalensky Embezzlement Criminal Regime because he could give zero shites about the UA and RU boys and men being killed in this NATO proxy war to divide Russia into smaller WEF-compliant regimes just like Italy and the other EU puppets except for Orban's Hungary.

Ukraine War: Zelensky Embezzled $400 Million Allocated By The US For Purchasing Fuel – Seymour Hersh
Eurasian Times ^ | 4-12-23 | By EurAsian Times Desk
Posted on 4/12/2023, 8:51:48 PM by dynachrome


Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky embezzled hundreds of millions of dollars that the US allocated for the purchase of fuel, according to Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh.

In his blog, Hersh writes – The Ukraine government, headed by Volodymyr Zelensky, has been using American taxpayers’ funds to pay dearly for the vitally needed diesel fuel that is keeping the Ukrainian army on the move in its war with Russia.

It is unknown how much the Zalensky government is paying per gallon for the fuel, but the Pentagon was paying as much as $400 per gallon to transport gasoline from a port in Pakistan, via truck or parachute, into Afghanistan during the decades-long American war there.

The issue of corruption was directly raised with Zelensky in a meeting last January in Kiev with CIA Director William Burns. His message to the Ukrainian president, I was told by an intelligence official with direct knowledge of the meeting, was out of a 1950s mob movie.

Follow-up reports indicated Burns warned Z10%ski his UA Generals were not happy with the small share they received from Zalensky's greedy Ministers hiding funds for themselves all over the world from Spain to Malta to Singapore, Thailand, and Miami!  The true amount of embezzlement skim likely in the Billions of USD and Euros.

It has come down to USA Grafting Grifters working closely with UA Grafting Grifters at the expense of 400,000 Dead Ukrainian Men and 50,000 Dead Russian Men. 

Trump may be a lot of things but he never enriched himself as POTUS at the public trough like the Clintons, Obamas, Bidens and every other Democrat Communist trying to get on the CCP Elite Capture Payroll to sell out the USA.

Will not be long now before Nukes fry these Crooks.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on September 02, 2023, 02:17:01 PM
Seymour Hersh is nothing but a Russian stooge. I wouldn't trust his opinions on anything.
Title: Re: Jan 6th was primarily a first amendment event
Post by: BC on September 03, 2023, 06:07:04 AM
Neither definition, linguistic nor legal requires that a government be overthrown.


I never said nor implied that it did. Is that a strawman? How did you conclude
that I made such an argument from my previous posts?

https://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,28325.msg548551.html#msg548551

Your words, not mine.
Title: Re: Jan 6th was primarily a first amendment event
Post by: BC on September 03, 2023, 06:12:49 AM
You are trying to put "lipstick on a pig" as stated by the court in Griffin's case.


DELAYING THE MAIL with lots of people is insurrection
Is the argument from BC about why Jan 6th was an insurrection rather than
the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government
for a redress of grievances.

Now you are attempting humor. What a wacko argument. Conflating retarding
the delivery of the mail AND having several people involved does not make an
insurrection. I have never seen such a stretch of facts and logic.

I'm not doing anything at all except passing it on to you. Take it up with the judge and appellate court that handled this matter brought before them.  Griffin made the same or very similar argument as you do.  Note that, AFAIK, an appeal was not filed, and their ruling still stands.  Follow the facts, 2tall.
Title: Jan 6th was a first amendment event
Post by: 2tallbill on September 03, 2023, 10:47:38 AM

https://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,28325.msg548551.html#msg548551

Your words, not mine.

Let me clarify, arguments in the press (and Tex) claimed that January 6th was
an attempt to overthrow the government. I was simply refuting that rather
than claiming that it was a criteria for an insurrection to take place.

There have been thousands of protests that started peacefull that got out of
hand and turned into a riot. This is the ONLY one that was an insurrection.

January 6th was a peaceful first amendment protected protest that got out of
hand, nothing else.
Title: Re: Jan 6th was a first amendment event
Post by: Texan77 on September 03, 2023, 11:19:00 AM

https://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,28325.msg548551.html#msg548551

Your words, not mine.

Let me clarify, arguments in the press (and Tex) claimed that January 6th was
an attempt to overthrow the government. I was simply refuting that rather
than claiming that it was a criteria for an insurrection to take place.

There have been thousands of protests that started peacefull that got out of
hand and turned into a riot. This is the ONLY one that was an insurrection.

January 6th was a peaceful first amendment protected protest that got out of
hand, nothing else.

January 6 was an organized between Trump, others and the Prouds boys to install fake electors. Trump asked Mike Pense to not accept the electors. It used the cover of a peaceful demonstration to disguise what was really going on. The others may not ever be all found but powers inside the government were key to letting this happen like not nearly enough security at the congress building when they knew Trump was having a rally. Some people inside the FBI and the capitol police were actually helping protesters. During this Trump was ask to call this off but he waited and did not do so in a meaningful way. Then all at once enough capitol police showed up and everyone left. Where were they before all of this happened. Trumps contacts before the event show he was involved. His lack of response during the event show he approved. They believed the Trump propaganda and believed they are following his orders.
Title: Re: Jan 6th was a first amendment event
Post by: BC on September 03, 2023, 11:48:08 AM

Let me clarify, arguments in the press (and Tex) claimed that January 6th was
an attempt to overthrow the government. I was simply refuting that rather
than claiming that it was a criteria for an insurrection to take place.

An organized attempt to usurp our Constitution fits the bill, and intent of what the press, Tex, and even judges are saying.

Quote
There have been thousands of protests that started peacefull that got out of
hand and turned into a riot. This is the ONLY one that was an insurrection.


Indeed. My guess is one has to take intent into account.

Quote
January 6th was a peaceful first amendment protected protest that got out of
hand, nothing else.

The courts disagreed and ruled against such "lipstick on a pig" arguments.

This article is pretty informative on this subject.
https://www.csis.org/analysis/understanding-insurrection-and-sedition

Of course, you are free to opine otherwise.
Title: Jan 6th was a first amendment event
Post by: 2tallbill on September 03, 2023, 12:17:34 PM
An organized attempt to usurp our Constitution fits the bill, and intent of what the press, Tex, and even judges are saying.

Only things you don't like is usurping the constitution. Your favorite lefty judge
ruled that delaying the mail by many people is an insurrection. You and your
fellow lefty's in the activist press don't get to redefine English, facts or history.

Title: Re: Jan 6th was primarily a first amendment event
Post by: 2tallbill on September 03, 2023, 12:33:28 PM
Name ONE rebellion or insurrection where nobody on the other side was killed?
Where the insurrection was carried out without guns. Not a single
lawmaker was killed, injured or captured.

You can't. There was no insurrection

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: cufflinks on September 03, 2023, 02:08:57 PM
Seymour Hersh is nothing but a Russian stooge. I wouldn't trust his opinions on anything.

The ignorance displayed by this UA Propagandist mhr7's comment is contemptible.

Clearly, UAs Zalensky 10%ski is embezzling billions $$$ along with his Cabinet Commissars and Military Leaders.

The sad irony is Z-10% corruptski will likely never get to enjoy this War Booty since he will certainly face the Mussolini fate of being hung by his ankles and beat to death by the loved ones of the 400,000+ of UAs best men Z-dog callously condemned to death on SUICIDE missions against the Russian Army.
Title: Re: Jan 6th was a first amendment event
Post by: BC on September 03, 2023, 03:11:32 PM
An organized attempt to usurp our Constitution fits the bill, and intent of what the press, Tex, and even judges are saying.

Only things you don't like is usurping the constitution. Your favorite lefty judge
ruled that delaying the mail by many people is an insurrection. You and your
fellow lefty's in the activist press don't get to redefine English, facts or history.

2tall,

If you take the time to read the court documents, you'll find this case had nothing to do with the mail, which was used as an example, and everything to do with Griffin's actions related to the Jan 6 insurrection.

If you don't want to read and comprehend, fine. Stick with your uninformed opinion.
Title: Re: Jan 6th was a first amendment event
Post by: 2tallbill on September 04, 2023, 04:25:42 PM
January 6 was an organized between Trump

WTF is "was an organized"
My wife can use poor English and get a response from me.
I don't have time for yours.
Title: Jan 6th was a first amendment event
Post by: 2tallbill on September 04, 2023, 04:30:47 PM

2tall,

If you take the time to read the court documents, you'll find this case had nothing to do with the mail, which was used as an example, and everything to do with Griffin's actions related to the Jan 6 insurrection.

If you don't want to read and comprehend, fine. Stick with your uninformed opinion.

You don't get to tell me I must do X,Y or Z otherwise the facts of my points
are not valid and only uninformed opinions.

If you can't argue your points to my happiness, stick with your uninformed opinions, 
illogical and fallacial arguments.

Title: Re: Jan 6th was a first amendment event
Post by: BC on September 05, 2023, 12:54:16 AM

2tall,

If you take the time to read the court documents, you'll find this case had nothing to do with the mail, which was used as an example, and everything to do with Griffin's actions related to the Jan 6 insurrection.

If you don't want to read and comprehend, fine. Stick with your uninformed opinion.

You don't get to tell me I must do X,Y or Z otherwise the facts of my points
are not valid and only uninformed opinions.

If you can't argue your points to my happiness, stick with your uninformed opinions, 
illogical and fallacial arguments.

I wouldn't consider an opinion, upheld on appeal is illogical and fallacious ;)  That is purely your opinion.

Title: Jan 6th twist, stretch and change the meanings of words
Post by: 2tallbill on September 05, 2023, 11:07:52 AM
I wouldn't consider an opinion, upheld on appeal is illogical and fallacious ;)  That is purely your opinion.

I've spent over an hour Googling January 6 court crap.

You are seriously misrepresentating any/all of the appeals to what they said
or determined. ZERO of the appeals said that there was an insurrection. ZERO

The worst I have seen is an appeals court said that some of the defendents could
legally be tried of "the obstruction of an official proceeding before Congress"
That's hardly an insurrection or seditious conspiracy, blah, blah, blah.

The charges that will probably stick are trespassing, disorderly conduct, etc. 

That means 100% of your previous claims are false. There was no insurrection,
I am right and you are wrong. You have to twist, stretch and change the meanings
of words for every post you've made on this subject.
 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on September 05, 2023, 11:15:01 AM
From the left wing wacko's at the New York Times
Quote
"The decision by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia means that the charge — the obstruction of an official proceeding before Congress — can continue to be used in the Justice Department’s prosecutions related to the Jan. 6 riot. It could also ultimately be used against Mr. Trump should the special counsel, Jack Smith, decide to file a case against him related to his efforts to overturn the 2020 election.

But even though the three-judge panel, in a 2-1 ruling, left in place the status quo and temporarily avoided crippling hundreds of Jan. 6 cases by invalidating the obstruction count, it still presented a serious challenge to the Justice Department moving forward.

A provision of the law requires proving that any interference with a congressional proceeding be done “corruptly.” Two of the judges said they were inclined to define that term in a narrow way as receiving a personal benefit — even though the panel as a whole put off a final decision on the issue."
Unquote


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/07/us/politics/dc-appeals-court-jan-6-prosecutions.html
Title: Re: Jan 6th twist, stretch and change the meanings of words
Post by: BC on September 05, 2023, 10:52:45 PM
I wouldn't consider an opinion, upheld on appeal is illogical and fallacious ;)  That is purely your opinion.

I've spent over an hour Googling January 6 court crap.

You are seriously misrepresentating any/all of the appeals to what they said
or determined. ZERO of the appeals said that there was an insurrection. ZERO

The worst I have seen is an appeals court said that some of the defendents could
legally be tried of "the obstruction of an official proceeding before Congress"
That's hardly an insurrection or seditious conspiracy, blah, blah, blah.

The charges that will probably stick are trespassing, disorderly conduct, etc. 

That means 100% of your previous claims are false. There was no insurrection,
I am right and you are wrong. You have to twist, stretch and change the meanings
of words for every post you've made on this subject.

2tall,

We are discussing the legal definition of an insurrection and whether it applies to Jan 6.

You either seem to be looking for the proverbial needle in the haystack or wandering off and beating about every busy you encounter.  Anything but the case I mentioned.

You don't have to Google; I already gave you the link to the source documents for this case, which defines the defendant's actions as taking part in an insurrection. Griffin used the same 'lipstick on a pig' arguments you posted here in his failed attempts to defend himself.

My post and source documents for discussion:  https://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,28325.msg548673.html#msg548673

Based on your reply, I doubt you read the source documents or cannot comprehend what is written in the rulings.

No word twisting, nothing taken out of context, no fallacies involved.

What prosecutors decided to charge the other 1,100 other defendants is irrelevant.  They have a lot of leeway.  They will pick charges that are the easiest to prove and carry a punishment they feel is warranted.



 
Title: Jan 6th twist, stretch and change the meanings of words
Post by: 2tallbill on September 06, 2023, 12:39:31 PM
I wouldn't consider an opinion, upheld on appeal is illogical and fallacious ;)  That is purely your opinion.

I've spent over an hour Googling January 6 court crap.

You are seriously misrepresentating any/all of the appeals to what they said
or determined. ZERO of the appeals said that there was an insurrection. ZERO

The worst I have seen is an appeals court said that some of the defendents could
legally be tried of "the obstruction of an official proceeding before Congress"
That's hardly an insurrection or seditious conspiracy, blah, blah, blah.

The charges that will probably stick are trespassing, disorderly conduct, etc. 

That means 100% of your previous claims are false. There was no insurrection,
I am right and you are wrong. You have to twist, stretch and change the meanings
of words for every post you've made on this subject.

You don't have to Google; I already gave you the link to the source documents for this case, which defines the defendant's actions as taking part in an insurrection. Griffin used the same 'lipstick on a pig' arguments you posted here in his failed attempts to defend himself.

I read your documents howeveer.

You claimed that an appeals court agreed, yet offered no lipsticking on the pig proof.
Nor did any appeals court use the word insurrection 30 times.

I used Google trying to find the text of the appeals court decisions. Your proof
that a leftist wackjob judge agrees but you've shown nothing, nor could I find
anything to support your appeals court claims. I have found countless news
reports about the appeals court but none of them support your claims.

Title: Re: Jan 6th twist, stretch and change the meanings of words
Post by: Contrarian on September 06, 2023, 08:09:15 PM
I wouldn't consider an opinion, upheld on appeal is illogical and fallacious ;)  That is purely your opinion.

I've spent over an hour Googling January 6 court crap.

You are seriously misrepresentating any/all of the appeals to what they said
or determined. ZERO of the appeals said that there was an insurrection. ZERO

The worst I have seen is an appeals court said that some of the defendents could
legally be tried of "the obstruction of an official proceeding before Congress"
That's hardly an insurrection or seditious conspiracy, blah, blah, blah.

The charges that will probably stick are trespassing, disorderly conduct, etc. 

That means 100% of your previous claims are false. There was no insurrection,
I am right and you are wrong. You have to twist, stretch and change the meanings
of words for every post you've made on this subject.

You don't have to Google; I already gave you the link to the source documents for this case, which defines the defendant's actions as taking part in an insurrection. Griffin used the same 'lipstick on a pig' arguments you posted here in his failed attempts to defend himself.

I read your documents howeveer.

You claimed that an appeals court agreed, yet offered no lipsticking on the pig proof.
Nor did any appeals court use the word insurrection 30 times.

I used Google trying to find the text of the appeals court decisions. Your proof
that a leftist wackjob judge agrees but you've shown nothing, nor could I find
anything to support your appeals court claims. I have found countless news
reports about the appeals court but none of them support your claims.

Bitter Commie probably has onset dementia, although not as far advanced as Biden he's still incoherent and posts non-stop falsehoods.  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on September 06, 2023, 08:28:34 PM
Left-wing radical wack jobs planning to harm President Trump? Tucker Carlson believes so.

Title: Re: Jan 6th twist, stretch and change the meanings of words
Post by: BC on September 07, 2023, 05:40:40 AM


I read your documents howeveer.

You claimed that an appeals court agreed, yet offered no lipsticking on the pig proof.
Nor did any appeals court use the word insurrection 30 times.

I used Google trying to find the text of the appeals court decisions. Your proof
that a leftist wackjob judge agrees but you've shown nothing, nor could I find
anything to support your appeals court claims. I have found countless news
reports about the appeals court but none of them support your claims.

The documents regarding Griffin's appeal are all at the bottom of the page at the link I gave you, including Dismissing Order of his appeal and Order Denying Motion for Reconsideration.
https://www.citizensforethics.org/legal-action/lawsuits/lawsuit-filed-to-remove-couy-griffin-from-office/

(https://i.postimg.cc/DyzTz4zL/Screenshot-2023-09-07-at-13-23-08.jpg)

Appellate courts do not say much at all about a case if they deny an appeal.  The US Supreme Court uses only 9 words.

(https://i.postimg.cc/X7nwB4Mw/Screenshot-2023-09-07-at-13-13-05.jpg)



Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on September 07, 2023, 10:06:43 AM
Left-wing radical wack jobs planning to harm President Trump? Tucker Carlson believes so.


It is just another trick to try to get votes, but if they keep talking about it might give somebody an idea.
Title: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on September 10, 2023, 11:38:07 PM
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on September 27, 2023, 08:52:53 AM
Victor Davis Hanson on The Case For Trump.

Bio of VDH:

"Victor Davis Hanson is an American commentator, classicist, and military historian, and has written on warfare and contemporary politics for The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, National Review, The Washington Times and more.

Hanson was awarded the National Humanities Medal in 2007, and the Bradley Prize in 2008, as well as the Edmund Burke Award (2018), William F. Buckley Prize (2015), the Claremont Institute’s Statesmanship Award (2006), and the Eric Breindel Award for opinion journalism (2002).

Hanson is the author of hundreds of articles, book reviews, scholarly papers, and newspaper editorials on matters ranging from ancient Greek, agrarian and military history to foreign affairs, domestic politics, and contemporary culture."

Quote

"Trump gained prominence in the 1980s with the development of Trump Tower in Manhattan and his ownership of various casinos, hotels, and resorts. He branded himself as a successful entrepreneur and became known for his flamboyant lifestyle and self-promotion. Trump also ventured into the entertainment industry as the host of the reality TV show The Apprentice from 2004 to 2015.

In 2016, Trump ran as the Republican candidate for the presidency of the United States.

Despite being initially considered an outsider in the race, he secured the party’s nomination and went on to win the electoral college, defeating Hillary Clinton."


https://jermwarfare.com/conversations/victor-davis-hanson
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on September 28, 2023, 06:43:53 AM
OY! Boje Moy! Cannibalism at its best!


When you witness these types of mud slinging it isn’t hard to realize each of these idiots, except for one, are neck deep in a mud pit.

Our country desperately needs to boot out and refresh…we are so screwed up. These guys emphasize the disease that is a politician.

Republicans/Democrats. What a failure!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on September 28, 2023, 07:07:30 PM
Matt Gaetz letter I just received in my email about the government shutdown. No, I'm not suggesting you donate to him, unless you live in Florida and unless you want to. I am suggesting that those who say they're Conservative, consider what he says here. I am 100% for term limits for Congress.

Fellow Patriot,

The federal government is likely shutting down on October 1, and I wanted to let you know:
 
I’ve officially asked for the Chief Administrative Officer of the House to withhold my pay for the entire duration of the shutdown.
 
It’s not fair to the working men and women of this country that Congress should be collecting a salary when so many of them are not.
 
Fact is, you deserve better from Congress, Fellow Patriot.
 
You deserve the things that I’ve been demanding Speaker Kevin McCarthy deliver for the conservatives who got him into office… things like:
 
●      A VOTE on Term Limits
●      A VOTE for a balanced budget amendment,
●      A PLAN to have individual appropriations bills considered
●      A FULL release of the January 6 tapes

●       NO spending cut to raise the Debt Limit.
 
The federal government will likely shut down, and it’s an absolute shame because it didn’t have to.
 
The establishment, at any point, could have agreed to honor their word to conservative colleagues like me, and honor their commitment to conservative voters like you.
 
I’m not going to stop fighting for what we’ve been promised.
 
In fact, I’m going to ramp up this fight considerably once the federal government shuts down… and make sure that the establishment takes their orders from you, the conservative majority in this country.
 
But it’s going to be a tough fight and you know that the establishment is going to throw everything they’ve got at me.
 
They won’t let up, and we can’t either. I need you to help keep me fighting, help keep up my resolve, and help win the fight to put the federal government back on track.
 
Is that something I can trust you to do, Fellow Patriot? If you can, let me know by chipping in $25 or even $50 to this fight.
 
 
 
DONATE
Thanks,
 
 
Matt Gaetz

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on September 28, 2023, 07:15:10 PM
OY! Boje Moy! Cannibalism at its best!


When you witness these types of mud slinging it isn’t hard to realize each of these idiots, except for one, are neck deep in a mud pit.

Our country desperately needs to boot out and refresh…we are so screwed up. These guys emphasize the disease that is a politician.

Republicans/Democrats. What a failure!


Which one are you referring to in the sentence above with I highlighted, Bodine?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on September 28, 2023, 07:38:54 PM
President Trump press conference from 8 days ago about how fast he will rid the military and schools of the "woke" agenda and other topics.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 03, 2023, 04:45:31 PM
Buh bye!  :laugh: :laugh:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2023/oct/03/mccarthy-speaker-republicans-trump-trial-biden-live-updates
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Jonas! on October 03, 2023, 08:00:44 PM
Buh bye!  :laugh: :laugh:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2023/oct/03/mccarthy-speaker-republicans-trump-trial-biden-live-updates

Gaetz is reading the congress the riot act. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoSzgImBSFQ    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoSzgImBSFQ)

Jonas!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 03, 2023, 09:57:13 PM
Buh bye!  :laugh: :laugh:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2023/oct/03/mccarthy-speaker-republicans-trump-trial-biden-live-updates

Gaetz is reading the congress the riot act. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoSzgImBSFQ    (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoSzgImBSFQ)

Jonas!


Great speech!

In this speech outside he mentions dedollarization and the crushing debt of 33 Trillion dollars on working class Americans. McCarthy was a creature of the swamp who quickly sold out to lobbyists, thus selling our future generations out.

Chances are it's already too late but we'll see what happens. The economic crash likely coming will be worse than 2008 by far. Tragic it has come to this, but Matt Gaetz has done the right thing.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 17, 2023, 02:36:51 PM
Pro Trump rap song, LOL!  :laugh:

https://rumble.com/v3c02ai-donald-trump-i-aint-saying-she-a-vote-rigger-but-fatty-only-made-my-lead-bi.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 17, 2023, 02:45:09 PM
Presidential Olympics, featuring Donald Trump of the United States of America versus Joe Biden of the United States of Ukraine.  :laugh:

https://rumble.com/v3pd3md-presidential-olympics-.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on October 17, 2023, 02:57:30 PM
Unbelievable! THIS (https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-war-biden-rafah-e062825a375d9eb62e95509cab95b80c) is what we are supporting.

Here at home, this is what happened two days ago: 6 year old Palestinian boy stabbed 26 times (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/6-year-old-boy-killed-anti-muslim-attack-illinois-police-say-rcna120543). His mother stabbed over a dozen times but survived. Families of these two blame the biased media coverage and Biden's speeches in support of Israel.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 17, 2023, 06:41:56 PM
Unbelievable! THIS (https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-war-biden-rafah-e062825a375d9eb62e95509cab95b80c) is what we are supporting.

Here at home, this is what happened two days ago: 6 year old Palestinian boy stabbed 26 times (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/6-year-old-boy-killed-anti-muslim-attack-illinois-police-say-rcna120543). His mother stabbed over a dozen times but survived. Families of these two blame the biased media coverage and Biden's speeches in support of Israel.

Both horrific events.

The Hospital deaths are catastrophic. Imagine being sick or injured, going to a Hospital and that happens?

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Jonas! on October 17, 2023, 08:18:58 PM
Unbelievable! THIS (https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-war-biden-rafah-e062825a375d9eb62e95509cab95b80c) is what we are supporting.

Here at home, this is what happened two days ago: 6 year old Palestinian boy stabbed 26 times (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/6-year-old-boy-killed-anti-muslim-attack-illinois-police-say-rcna120543). His mother stabbed over a dozen times but survived. Families of these two blame the biased media coverage and Biden's speeches in support of Israel.
We (The US) will find a way to justify the bombing of the hospital.  If Israel were a nation that China or Russia were staunch allies with, we would be trying to state China/Russia were guilty by association.  In our new information age, the world gets to see our unending hypocrisy and that is at least one reason why the worldwide disdain for America is growing.  Even within allied states, the populace of many of those countries are not fond of us at all.  We are earning their disdain.   

Jonas! 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 17, 2023, 09:20:19 PM
Unbelievable! THIS (https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-war-biden-rafah-e062825a375d9eb62e95509cab95b80c) is what we are supporting.

Here at home, this is what happened two days ago: 6 year old Palestinian boy stabbed 26 times (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/6-year-old-boy-killed-anti-muslim-attack-illinois-police-say-rcna120543). His mother stabbed over a dozen times but survived. Families of these two blame the biased media coverage and Biden's speeches in support of Israel.
We (The US) will find a way to justify the bombing of the hospital.  If Israel were a nation that China or Russia were staunch allies with, we would be trying to state China/Russia were guilty by association.  In our new information age, the world gets to see our unending hypocrisy and that is at least one reason why the worldwide disdain for America is growing.  Even within allied states, the populace of many of those countries are not fond of us at all.  We are earning their disdain.   

Jonas!


Who is "we"??

Clearly you mean the illigitimate Biden regime.

There certainly are some numb nuts in this country who hide behind heretical interpretations of their religion, however hopefully a majority of Americans know that bombing a Hospital is completely OFF LIMITS by any civilized Nation.

Israel denies they did it. Unfortunately when one ponders that Israeli actions have been condemned by the United Nations over 100 times throughout the years and far more than any other Nation, it becomes clear they have a problem with being truthful.

Apparently a social media influencer based in Israel initially claimed that Israel did indeed bomb the Hospital, claiming that there were terrorists inside of it. Then the post was taken down.

Quote

Who is Hananya Naftali, who said Israel bomb hospital then backtracked?

"Hananya Naftali’s social media posts have been circulating online as Israel bombed al-Ahli hospital in Gaza.

“Israeli Air Force struck a Hamas terrorest base inside a hospital in Gaza,” Naftali wrote on X. But as the death toll mounted, he quickly deleted his post.

He later said he “mistakenly” shared a Reuters report that said Israel was behind the attack, but the news agency never reported that a Hamas base was struck.

Naftali has been a rising influencer in social media circles supportive of Israel with 357,000 followers on X alone. For the past few years, he has been working as part of Netanyahu’s digital team as well.

He often defends Israeli conduct with headlines like, “Palestinians never cared about Shireen Abu Akleh”.

Naftali started gaining fame after the 2014 Gaza war, where he served in the army, and shared online content backing Israel."


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/17/israel-hamas-war-live-anger-after-israeli-strike-kills-500-in-hospital
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 17, 2023, 10:26:02 PM
Biden joins Truth social media and gets spanked big time.  :ROFL:


https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-joins-truth-social-immediately-gets-pummelled-oblivion
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on October 18, 2023, 03:44:36 PM
Unfortunately when one ponders that Israeli actions have been condemned by the United Nations over 100 times throughout the years and far more than any other Nation, it becomes clear they have a problem with being truthful.

Look I am hardly in the "the Israelis can do no wrong" camp, but let's not pretend that the UN has any kind of moral authority.  It is a corrupt dictators club.

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 19, 2023, 05:04:22 PM
Jim Jordan decides to give up after losing a 2nd vote to be Speaker of the House.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/jordan-suspends-bid-for-us-house-speaker-backs-mchenry-lawmaker/ar-AA1iwcEs?bncnt=BroadcastNews_BreakingNews&ocid=msedgdhp&FORM=BNC001&pc=ASTS&cvid=e684ed4e389a4e0ddd08deb79179e4b7&ei=7
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 20, 2023, 05:41:19 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/ouch-rep-matt-gaetz-eviscerates-leftist-media-compares/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on October 28, 2023, 09:22:41 AM
Barnacle Bills Restaurant! :laugh:

https://redstatenation.com/people-irate-about-cowboys-blunt-sign-try-to-remove-it-big-mistake/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 13, 2023, 09:47:59 AM
Trump refers to some on the radical left as "vermin". The PC left goes nuts.  :chuckle:

https://www.axios.com/2023/11/13/trump-vermin-fascist-language-speech
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Jonas! on November 14, 2023, 09:47:17 PM
I see no alternative to Trump for the Republicans.   Nikki 'heels' Haley today is demanding that all of us idiots on social media go by our real names.  She says that is the first thing she does in office.  How stupid!!   She demands strict adherence to her often-idiotic hawkish narrative.   

Critics rip Nikki Haley over vow to require all social media users be verified: 'blatantly unconstitutional'

Republican presidential candidate and former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley was ripped by critics Tuesday after she vowed to require all social media users be verified in the name of "national security."

"When I get into office, the first thing we have to do, social media accounts, social media companies, they have to show America their algorithms. Let us see why they're pushing what they're pushing. The second thing is every person on social media should be verified by their name," Haley said during an appearance on Fox News earlier in the day.


  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/critics-rip-nikki-haley-over-vow-to-require-all-social-media-users-be-verified-blatantly-unconstitutional/ar-AA1jWiHG   (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/critics-rip-nikki-haley-over-vow-to-require-all-social-media-users-be-verified-blatantly-unconstitutional/ar-AA1jWiHG)


Jonas!   
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 14, 2023, 10:04:50 PM
I see no alternative to Trump for the Republicans.   Nikki 'heels' Haley today is demanding that all of us idiots on social media go by our real names.  She says that is the first thing she does in office.  How stupid!!   She demands strict adherence to her often-idiotic hawkish narrative.   

Critics rip Nikki Haley over vow to require all social media users be verified: 'blatantly unconstitutional'

Republican presidential candidate and former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley was ripped by critics Tuesday after she vowed to require all social media users be verified in the name of "national security."

"When I get into office, the first thing we have to do, social media accounts, social media companies, they have to show America their algorithms. Let us see why they're pushing what they're pushing. The second thing is every person on social media should be verified by their name," Haley said during an appearance on Fox News earlier in the day.


  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/critics-rip-nikki-haley-over-vow-to-require-all-social-media-users-be-verified-blatantly-unconstitutional/ar-AA1jWiHG   (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/critics-rip-nikki-haley-over-vow-to-require-all-social-media-users-be-verified-blatantly-unconstitutional/ar-AA1jWiHG)


Jonas!


My name is Phuc Yu Nazi Haley!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on November 16, 2023, 09:06:33 AM
Summer of 2020, eve of the 2020 general election. The George Floyd saga. What we never saw and knew about that summer:

https://www.thefallofminneapolis.com/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 16, 2023, 01:53:03 PM
Summer of 2020, eve of the 2020 general election. The George Floyd saga. What we never saw and knew about that summer:

https://www.thefallofminneapolis.com/


I just watched that movie from start to finish. It was very difficult to hear and see the truth, after so much dishonest propaganda. It almost makes you physically sick. I could only imagine what the Police felt during and afterwards.

380 Police in Minneapolis quit after the riots and crime is way up. Sadly the usual suspects lie about that and everything else.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on November 16, 2023, 09:18:44 PM
I admit taking a strong position that justice was served during that trial. Served only what the establishment ( band of crony politicians ) and the media fed us and felt vindicated at the conviction of Chauvin.

I feel sick watching how politicians shown in this documentary outright lie under oath and get away with it unscathed. How sick our country had really become.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 17, 2023, 09:24:58 AM
I admit taking a strong position that justice was served during that trial. Served only what the establishment ( band of crony politicians ) and the media fed us and felt vindicated at the conviction of Chauvin.

I feel sick watching how politicians shown in this documentary outright lie under oath and get away with it unscathed. How sick our country had really become.


Are you kidding?

Massive amounts of evidence was withheld. For example Floyd had an artery that was 75% closed, and on top of that he had both meth and fentanyl in his system. In fact he had 3X the amount of fentanyl which would cause an OD, which is what he died of.

Justice won't be served until all 4 of the officers are released, have their records expunged and get large settlements.

What we had was mob mentality which was whipped into a frenzy by the Marxist owned media and the Marxist mayor. They should be in prison, not those Officers.

They (the owners of the media) should also be required to repay the city to rebuild the 3rd precinct Police station and all other damages caused by their reckless actions.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: andrewfi on November 17, 2023, 09:32:15 AM
I confess that the whole case bothered me. It looks like Chauvin (?) was no angel and that there was a previous history between the two, which complicated matters, but it looks like the verdict was more about appearances than justice.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 17, 2023, 10:20:21 PM
I admit taking a strong position that justice was served during that trial. Served only what the establishment ( band of crony politicians ) and the media fed us and felt vindicated at the conviction of Chauvin.

I feel sick watching how politicians shown in this documentary outright lie under oath and get away with it unscathed. How sick our country had really become.


So did you change your mind? Do you now understand more clearly how the media can be used by evil people for very nefarious purposes?

Until we get a President who clamps down on the media and even totally suspends it, or limits its power, we won't have a country anymore.

We haven't had a "free media" since they covered for the assassination of JFK, possibly even before then, but that was a biggie.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: LoyalMan on November 18, 2023, 03:11:02 AM
I admit taking a strong position that justice was served during that trial. Served only what the establishment ( band of crony politicians ) and the media fed us and felt vindicated at the conviction of Chauvin.

I feel sick watching how politicians shown in this documentary outright lie under oath and get away with it unscathed. How sick our country had really become.


So did you change your mind? Do you now understand more clearly how the media can be used by evil people for very nefarious purposes?

Until we get a President who clamps down on the media and even totally suspends it, or limits its power, we won't have a country anymore.

We haven't had a "free media" since they covered for the assassination of JFK, possibly even before then, but that was a biggie.

Dear American Friends,
It has been a long time since I monitored closely the last USA presidency election.

I also feel that there is no actual free-will election in USA any more because the globally super wealthy groups behind are controlling whom to be elected.  Popular election is only a drama show.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on November 18, 2023, 07:00:00 AM
I admit taking a strong position that justice was served during that trial. Served only what the establishment ( band of crony politicians ) and the media fed us and felt vindicated at the conviction of Chauvin.

I feel sick watching how politicians shown in this documentary outright lie under oath and get away with it unscathed. How sick our country had really become.

Those politicians were doing as they were told and most likely paid a hefty sum or future gains for. The truth be dammed. What the movie points out intentionally or not, is Mass Formation Psychosis. It has been widely used by the elites on the global population since at least WW2. Covid, Russian invasion of Ukraine, 9-11, the Kennedy assassination, Iraq, Afghanistan wars, pick your crisis.

This movie shows how easily it is for corruption in government and media to lead the global masses around by the nose to follow whatever narrative they dictate, usually for divide and conquer or just as often for profit for those same elites.

Take the current war on Gaza. It is now completely acceptable for at least half of the worlds population to inflict genocide on civilian innocents because they are Palestinian. It has been happening over and over, the world over, for at least the previous 75 years. It is even more effective today than it has ever been to a totally "dumbed down" global population.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 18, 2023, 08:19:48 PM
So not only was the trial of Chauvin and company a sham, now it appears that the January 6 committee hid certain facts.  :sick0012:

Quote

"Given the evidence they apparently suppressed, how much footage (and how many other records) do you think Nancy Pelosi and the J6 committee deliberately lost or destroyed?" Lee questioned in one post."


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sen-mike-lee-calls-investigation-j6-committee-tapes-released-deliberately-hid-us?spark_wn=1#_intcmp=fnvpl_playlist_2_Trump_up_21_points_with_independents_since_2020:_FOX_News_poll
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 20, 2023, 10:25:22 AM
Did Democrat Dan Goldman just call for Trump to be assassinated? Unbelievable rhetoric.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-has-be-eliminated-another-dan-goldman-gaffe-or-call-assassination
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 24, 2023, 05:45:13 PM
To the Americans here, hope you all had a good Thanksgiving.

President Trump and Governor Abbot served a Thanksgiving meal to Texas National Guard and Border Patrol in Texas.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 25, 2023, 04:44:52 PM
https://revolver.news/2023/10/the-definitive-maga-legal-counter-offensive-strike-back-against-regime-political-prosecution-spree/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 29, 2023, 12:07:09 PM
A Revolver article on an alleged shady traitor who was involved in the theft of the 2020 election from President Trump.

https://revolver.news/2020/09/meet-norm-eisen-color-revolution/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on November 29, 2023, 12:17:39 PM
The secret shadow campaign which stole the election (they say it "saved" the election).

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Guile on November 29, 2023, 09:40:58 PM
da Trump train a comin'  :ROFL:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 02, 2023, 05:51:53 PM
I admit taking a strong position that justice was served during that trial. Served only what the establishment ( band of crony politicians ) and the media fed us and felt vindicated at the conviction of Chauvin.

I feel sick watching how politicians shown in this documentary outright lie under oath and get away with it unscathed. How sick our country had really become.

Those politicians were doing as they were told and most likely paid a hefty sum or future gains for. The truth be dammed. What the movie points out intentionally or not, is Mass Formation Psychosis. It has been widely used by the elites on the global population since at least WW2. Covid, Russian invasion of Ukraine, 9-11, the Kennedy assassination, Iraq, Afghanistan wars, pick your crisis.

This movie shows how easily it is for corruption in government and media to lead the global masses around by the nose to follow whatever narrative they dictate, usually for divide and conquer or just as often for profit for those same elites.

Take the current war on Gaza. It is now completely acceptable for at least half of the worlds population to inflict genocide on civilian innocents because they are Palestinian. It has been happening over and over, the world over, for at least the previous 75 years. It is even more effective today than it has ever been to a totally "dumbed down" global population.


Surprised you wrote that, I thought you thought that the Israeli's were infallible.

You might like this article since you think the OT is correct.

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2023/11/19/were-the-biblical-prophets-anti-semitic/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on December 02, 2023, 10:35:14 PM
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2023/11/19/were-the-biblical-prophets-anti-semitic/

A well written article though the second to last paragraph is bizarre.

Thank you for posting.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 02, 2023, 10:48:40 PM
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2023/11/19/were-the-biblical-prophets-anti-semitic/

A well written article though the second to last paragraph is bizarre.

Thank you for posting.


Agree, it was the one part of the article which didn't make sense.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on December 03, 2023, 07:46:06 AM
I admit taking a strong position that justice was served during that trial. Served only what the establishment ( band of crony politicians ) and the media fed us and felt vindicated at the conviction of Chauvin.

I feel sick watching how politicians shown in this documentary outright lie under oath and get away with it unscathed. How sick our country had really become.

Those politicians were doing as they were told and most likely paid a hefty sum or future gains for. The truth be dammed. What the movie points out intentionally or not, is Mass Formation Psychosis. It has been widely used by the elites on the global population since at least WW2. Covid, Russian invasion of Ukraine, 9-11, the Kennedy assassination, Iraq, Afghanistan wars, pick your crisis.

This movie shows how easily it is for corruption in government and media to lead the global masses around by the nose to follow whatever narrative they dictate, usually for divide and conquer or just as often for profit for those same elites.

Take the current war on Gaza. It is now completely acceptable for at least half of the worlds population to inflict genocide on civilian innocents because they are Palestinian. It has been happening over and over, the world over, for at least the previous 75 years. It is even more effective today than it has ever been to a totally "dumbed down" global population.


Surprised you wrote that, I thought you thought that the Israeli's were infallible.

You might like this article since you think the OT is correct.

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2023/11/19/were-the-biblical-prophets-anti-semitic/


So Paul Craig Roberts is your prophet now or are you still following that ancient Babylonian idol worship.? I, myself have been deceived by the synagogue of satan much like apparently you are still deceived. I would suggest you revisit that book you detest so much "The Holy Bible" and yes both the New and Old Testaments. Pray and ask for guidance from the Holy Ghost in the name of Jesus as you read it. It may look different to you.

If you do chose to seek the truth, learn and know the difference in Judaism of the ancient text and modern day Zionism. They are not the same. Nor is the Talmud the same as the Old Testament.If you choose to believe the people God led out of Egypt and modern day Israel are the same folks, well, that is on you. I can only point you back to the word of God and pray for you.

You and I can't serve the same God mostly, because you believe mere men or Satan can corrupt the word of the Almighty God. To whom do you give credit?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 03, 2023, 09:04:12 AM
I admit taking a strong position that justice was served during that trial. Served only what the establishment ( band of crony politicians ) and the media fed us and felt vindicated at the conviction of Chauvin.

I feel sick watching how politicians shown in this documentary outright lie under oath and get away with it unscathed. How sick our country had really become.

Those politicians were doing as they were told and most likely paid a hefty sum or future gains for. The truth be dammed. What the movie points out intentionally or not, is Mass Formation Psychosis. It has been widely used by the elites on the global population since at least WW2. Covid, Russian invasion of Ukraine, 9-11, the Kennedy assassination, Iraq, Afghanistan wars, pick your crisis.

This movie shows how easily it is for corruption in government and media to lead the global masses around by the nose to follow whatever narrative they dictate, usually for divide and conquer or just as often for profit for those same elites.

Take the current war on Gaza. It is now completely acceptable for at least half of the worlds population to inflict genocide on civilian innocents because they are Palestinian. It has been happening over and over, the world over, for at least the previous 75 years. It is even more effective today than it has ever been to a totally "dumbed down" global population.


Surprised you wrote that, I thought you thought that the Israeli's were infallible.

You might like this article since you think the OT is correct.

https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2023/11/19/were-the-biblical-prophets-anti-semitic/


So Paul Craig Roberts is your prophet now or are you still following that ancient Babylonian idol worship.? I, myself have been deceived by the synagogue of satan much like apparently you are still deceived. I would suggest you revisit that book you detest so much "The Holy Bible" and yes both the New and Old Testaments. Pray and ask for guidance from the Holy Ghost in the name of Jesus as you read it. It may look different to you.

If you do chose to seek the truth, learn and know the difference in Judaism of the ancient text and modern day Zionism. They are not the same. Nor is the Talmud the same as the Old Testament.If you choose to believe the people God led out of Egypt and modern day Israel are the same folks, well, that is on you. I can only point you back to the word of God and pray for you.

You and I can't serve the same God mostly, because you believe mere men or Satan can corrupt the word of the Almighty God. To whom do you give credit?


You're deeply confused and there isn't any point in trying to have a conversation with someone who is so brainwashed and delusional. Good luck.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on December 03, 2023, 09:38:21 AM


You're deeply confused and there isn't any point in trying to have a conversation with someone who is so brainwashed and delusional. Good luck.

It's no wonder (to me) you chose not to answer. That's okay I'm praying for you anyway. I do find it ironic you used the terms delusional and brainwashed.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 03, 2023, 01:52:30 PM


You're deeply confused and there isn't any point in trying to have a conversation with someone who is so brainwashed and delusional. Good luck.

It's no wonder (to me) you chose not to answer. That's okay I'm praying for you anyway. I do find it ironic you used the terms delusional and brainwashed.

https://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,30324.msg550843.html#msg550843
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 21, 2023, 02:43:40 PM
The Colorado supreme court has found that Trump cannot be on the ballot in Colorado, for truly bogus reasons.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/victor-davis-hanson-colorado-insurrection
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on December 21, 2023, 03:12:09 PM
The Colorado supreme court has found that Trump cannot be on the ballot in Colorado, for truly bogus reasons.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/victor-davis-hanson-colorado-insurrection

And you guys make fun of dictatorships. What if the only viable choices coming elections are Trump/Biden , and Trump is non-electable in Colorado. You can then only choose Biden or not vote at all.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on December 22, 2023, 02:26:42 PM
If Trump is DQ'd the GOP will nominate someone else.
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on December 23, 2023, 09:08:39 AM
If Trump is DQ'd the GOP will nominate someone else.

If the constitution is suspended the Dem's can enact pure beneficial communism (not the bad kind).

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on December 23, 2023, 09:17:48 AM
The Colorado supreme court has found that Trump cannot be on the ballot in Colorado, for truly bogus reasons.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/victor-davis-hanson-colorado-insurrection

And you guys make fun of dictatorships. What if the only viable choices coming elections are Trump/Biden , and Trump is non-electable in Colorado. You can then only choose Biden or not vote at all.

Maybe the reasons are not really so bogus. Trump will be lucky to not be in jail by election time. Anybody else can run to be president who did not try to overthrow the government and the constitution. It is only Trump that cannot be on the ballot the other 300 plus millions Americans who qualify can be. Just a lot of crying from Trump's pro NAZI supporters. Markje for someone who does not like NAZIs you seem to support a lot of them.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on December 23, 2023, 12:58:01 PM
Russia bans antiwar candidate from running.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67810463
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on December 23, 2023, 03:43:41 PM
Anybody else can run to be president who did not try to overthrow the government and the constitution.
I didn't see any attempt to overthrow the government.

What trump did would be trying to kiss a girl on the cheek without her wanting you to. Then cry rape, rape, you rapist!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on December 23, 2023, 04:34:28 PM
If Trump is DQ'd the GOP will nominate someone else.

If the constitution is suspended the Dem's can enact pure beneficial communism (not the bad kind).

IIRC The Constitution can be abolished but can't be suspended.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 23, 2023, 07:18:27 PM
The Colorado supreme court has found that Trump cannot be on the ballot in Colorado, for truly bogus reasons.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/victor-davis-hanson-colorado-insurrection

And you guys make fun of dictatorships. What if the only viable choices coming elections are Trump/Biden , and Trump is non-electable in Colorado. You can then only choose Biden or not vote at all.

Maybe the reasons are not really so bogus. Trump will be lucky to not be in jail by election time. Anybody else can run to be president who did not try to overthrow the government and the constitution. It is only Trump that cannot be on the ballot the other 300 plus millions Americans who qualify can be. Just a lot of crying from Trump's pro NAZI supporters. Markje for someone who does not like NAZIs you seem to support a lot of them.


Lord have mercy.... :prophead:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 23, 2023, 07:19:12 PM
Anybody else can run to be president who did not try to overthrow the government and the constitution.
I didn't see any attempt to overthrow the government.

What trump did would be trying to kiss a girl on the cheek without her wanting you to. Then cry rape, rape, you rapist!


This.

Tex should just change parties...
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on December 24, 2023, 06:57:23 AM
This is just like all the other fake election stuff. Giuliuan ordered to pay 148 millions dollars for claim election fraud in a video when there was no fraud. This is the type of junk all the Pro trump NAZIs believe. What he did here should be criminal and he should be serving time.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/opinion-the-elephant-in-the-giuliani-defamation-courtroom/ar-AA1lYzYW?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=032e2d9f8c434586ba837b08d5f6f31b&ei=19
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 24, 2023, 08:16:31 AM
This is just like all the other fake election stuff. Giuliuan ordered to pay 148 millions dollars for claim election fraud in a video when there was no fraud. This is the type of junk all the Pro trump NAZIs believe. What he did here should be criminal and he should be serving time.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/opinion-the-elephant-in-the-giuliani-defamation-courtroom/ar-AA1lYzYW?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=032e2d9f8c434586ba837b08d5f6f31b&ei=19


You should also be serving time, in a dementia care facility.  :laugh:

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 28, 2023, 08:34:13 PM
Here we go again, more libtard idiocy which will need to be fixed.  :sick0012:

When Trump wins we really do need to give them a taste of their own medicine.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-legal-news-brief-maine-secretary-of-state-rules-trump-is-ineligible-to-appear-on-2024-ballot-002625185.html
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on December 29, 2023, 01:41:29 AM
Here we go again, more libtard idiocy which will need to be fixed.  :sick0012:

When Trump wins we really do need to give them a taste of their own medicine.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-legal-news-brief-maine-secretary-of-state-rules-trump-is-ineligible-to-appear-on-2024-ballot-002625185.html

Yeah, well luckily the Dems are only going to be fascist until they win.... *cough-cough*   They are just embarrassing themselves.  There is ZERO chance this stands up.  They need to form a support group called "Democrats Against Democracy."

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on December 29, 2023, 02:10:44 PM
Some people will have a field day with this.

Im not sure, but it looks like good news for mr. Trump.

Quote
slashdot.org (https://slashdot.org/story/23/12/29/1942241/michael-cohen-used-ai-to-feed-lawyer-bogus-cases)


Cohen also said he did not realize that the lawyer filing the motion on his behalf, David M. Schwartz, "would drop the cases into his submission wholesale without even confirming that they existed." The revelation could have serious implications for the Manhattan criminal case against Mr. Trump, in which Mr. Cohen is expected to serve as the star witness. The former president's lawyers have long attacked Mr. Cohen as a serial fabulist; now, they will have a brand-new example.

Full article here:
https://slashdot.org/story/23/12/29/1942241/michael-cohen-used-ai-to-feed-lawyer-bogus-cases
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on December 31, 2023, 09:30:08 AM
Here we go again, more libtard idiocy which will need to be fixed.  :sick0012:

When Trump wins we really do need to give them a taste of their own medicine.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-legal-news-brief-maine-secretary-of-state-rules-trump-is-ineligible-to-appear-on-2024-ballot-002625185.html

Yeah, well luckily the Dems are only going to be fascist until they win.... *cough-cough*   They are just embarrassing themselves.  There is ZERO chance this stands up.  They need to form a support group called "Democrats Against Democracy."

B/B


Democrats against Democracy, I like that.

Maybe they can hire our own BC to lead it?  :laugh:
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on January 03, 2024, 09:48:42 AM
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Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on January 18, 2024, 09:50:16 PM
I never saw this segment. Too funny…

https://youtube.com/shorts/wAQkA3drs44?si=1yse2fq05QXD9NYk
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 24, 2024, 09:18:36 PM
Nikki Haley encountered a Veteran, who was respectful but blunt in his assessment that she won't beat Trump. For anyone in Europe who doesn't know, Trump beat Haley both in Iowa and now in New Hampshire, but she says she is staying in the race.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on January 25, 2024, 05:55:16 AM
Nikki Haley encountered a Veteran, who was respectful but blunt in his assessment that she won't beat Trump. For anyone in Europe who doesn't know, Trump beat Haley both in Iowa and now in New Hampshire, but she says she is staying in the race.


She needs to step aside because she's finished. Not sure if it's a stubborn woman thing or a Dem stooge but she's working against Republican interests right now.

CNN have been cracking me up over the last week. They're so anti Republican but more so anti Trump. They've got right behind NH and their agenda has been so transparent.

Absolute idiots.... :chuckle:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on January 25, 2024, 08:04:53 AM

She needs to step aside because she's finished. Not sure if it's a stubborn woman thing or a Dem stooge but she's working against Republican interests right now.

CNN have been cracking me up over the last week. They're so anti Republican but more so anti Trump. They've got right behind NH and their agenda has been so transparent.

Absolute idiots.... :chuckle:

She's wholly supported and propped up by the RINO's. She's already went down in flames but the RINOs will keep her in the race for bargaining purposes in case Trump win's the presidency, all the while supporting whomever the Left put's in the race to beat him. In a fair and free election Trump would win hands down in a landslide which that in itself creates a different bigger problem.

The deep state is a worldwide cabal of separate cabals jockeying for control. They are extremely deceptive, crafty and carrying out an evil agendas most of us can not begin to understand. The reality of Trump being so popular behind and underneath the fake news (which is true) media could very well be another dastardly plan of the cabal(s) for world dominance.

There is a lot of moving parts to the puzzle. All, and I repeat all of the politicians and leaders the world over are controlled by one faction or another. If there were not, you wouldn't know anything about them
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on January 25, 2024, 08:33:36 AM

She needs to step aside because she's finished. Not sure if it's a stubborn woman thing or a Dem stooge but she's working against Republican interests right now.

CNN have been cracking me up over the last week. They're so anti Republican but more so anti Trump. They've got right behind NH and their agenda has been so transparent.

Absolute idiots.... :chuckle:

She's wholly supported and propped up by the RINO's. She's already went down in flames but the RINOs will keep her in the race for bargaining purposes in case Trump win's the presidency, all the while supporting whomever the Left put's in the race to beat him. In a fair and free election Trump would win hands down in a landslide which that in itself creates a different bigger problem.

The deep state is a worldwide cabal of separate cabals jockeying for control. They are extremely deceptive, crafty and carrying out an evil agendas most of us can not begin to understand. The reality of Trump being so popular behind and underneath the fake news (which is true) media could very well be another dastardly plan of the cabal(s) for world dominance.

There is a lot of moving parts to the puzzle. All, and I repeat all of the politicians and leaders the world over are controlled by one faction or another. If there were not, you wouldn't know anything about them

I suppose if Nikki Haley were to win or threaten Trump, its win win for the deep state. If the Dems lose, they get an appointed Republican representative to serve them.

I'm assuming this is part of the so called swamp?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on January 25, 2024, 08:54:09 AM

I suppose if Nikki Haley were to win or threaten Trump, its win win for the deep state. If the Dems lose, they get an appointed Republican representative to serve them.

I'm assuming this is part of the so called swamp?

Absolutely. Never say never but Haley doesn't stand a snowballs chance in Hell of ever being a threat to Trump (Again, in a fair and free election). Elections are rigged and never more so than in the US. It was never more blatant and "in your face" obvious than the 2020 election. Biden in 2020 was dead in the water heading into South Carolina primaries where campaign was supposedly resurrected. It was all rigged. Those of us with our eyes open saw it then.

The republican primaries are now headed to Haley's home state South Carolina. We might even see the same resurrection there, with her. I would say if so, just to keep peoples attention away from what is really going on in the country and the world. In a fair and unfettered election, Trump wins in all states hands down in a landslide. 2020 exposed and brought to the surface what has been going on hidden and behind the scenes for many years and that being, the peoples will means dick. The warring players behind the scenes are calling the shots
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on January 25, 2024, 09:55:36 AM

She needs to step aside because she's finished. Not sure if it's a stubborn woman thing or a Dem stooge but she's working against Republican interests right now.

CNN have been cracking me up over the last week. They're so anti Republican but more so anti Trump. They've got right behind NH and their agenda has been so transparent.

Absolute idiots.... :chuckle:

She's wholly supported and propped up by the RINO's. She's already went down in flames but the RINOs will keep her in the race for bargaining purposes in case Trump win's the presidency, all the while supporting whomever the Left put's in the race to beat him. In a fair and free election Trump would win hands down in a landslide which that in itself creates a different bigger problem.

The deep state is a worldwide cabal of separate cabals jockeying for control. They are extremely deceptive, crafty and carrying out an evil agendas most of us can not begin to understand. The reality of Trump being so popular behind and underneath the fake news (which is true) media could very well be another dastardly plan of the cabal(s) for world dominance.

There is a lot of moving parts to the puzzle. All, and I repeat all of the politicians and leaders the world over are controlled by one faction or another. If there were not, you wouldn't know anything about them

I suppose if Nikki Haley were to win or threaten Trump, its win win for the deep state. If the Dems lose, they get an appointed Republican representative to serve them.

I'm assuming this is part of the so called swamp?


Trump is also part of the deep state, it's just a more palatable part for most of us.

For example he is against the trans-gender agenda, he believes parents have a right to determine what schools teach their children, he believes we should finish the keystone pipeline and re-open drilling in the gulf of Mexico and Alaska, and he believes we should secure our borders and send most of the free loaders back to whence they came. He also believes that sending Billions to Ukraine is a complete waste of money and he's stated he could quickly end that war.

The main reasons he lost the 2020 election is because he refused to start a war with Iran on behalf of the illegitimate nation of Israel, and because he tried to save the steel industry and other industries in the USA. If he is allowed to win in 2024 I suspect he will have to make some sort of deal in regards to Iran. So we're screwed either way, because if the US starts a war with Iran I suspect it will end in disaster for millions, possibly billions of people.

I liked Trump for his domestic policies but was disappointed he agreed to move the US embassy in Israel. I still consider him a much better choice than dementia Joe.

At least the Repubiclan party appears to still love America and care about average Americans in some ways. The demo rats are just that, rats who hate America and are destroying it and will continue to destroy it if they manage to win in 2024.  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on February 05, 2024, 03:15:48 PM
Hate to do this but I'm going to (hahah). Yes, another meaningless 'poll'.


Biden/Harris 2024!!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on February 05, 2024, 07:42:16 PM


Trump is also part of the deep state, it's just a more palatable part for most of us.

For example he is against the trans-gender agenda, he believes parents have a right to determine what schools teach their children, he believes we should finish the keystone pipeline and re-open drilling in the gulf of Mexico and Alaska, and he believes we should secure our borders and send most of the free loaders back to whence they came. He also believes that sending Billions to Ukraine is a complete waste of money and he's stated he could quickly end that war.

The main reasons he lost the 2020 election is because he refused to start a war with Iran on behalf of the illegitimate nation of Israel, and because he tried to save the steel industry and other industries in the USA. If he is allowed to win in 2024 I suspect he will have to make some sort of deal in regards to Iran. So we're screwed either way, because if the US starts a war with Iran I suspect it will end in disaster for millions, possibly billions of people.

I liked Trump for his domestic policies but was disappointed he agreed to move the US embassy in Israel. I still consider him a much better choice than dementia Joe.

At least the Repubiclan party appears to still love America and care about average Americans in some ways. The demo rats are just that, rats who hate America and are destroying it and will continue to destroy it if they manage to win in 2024.  :coffeeread:

Trump lost lost because of his handling of cov-19 and his connections to the extreme right.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: AvHdB on February 05, 2024, 08:03:55 PM

The main reasons he lost the 2020 election is because he refused to start a war with Iran on behalf of the illegitimate nation of Israel, and because he tried to save the steel industry and other industries in the USA. If he is allowed to win in 2024 I suspect he will have to make some sort of deal in regards to Iran. So we're screwed either way, because if the US starts a war with Iran I suspect it will end in disaster for millions, possibly billions of people.

I liked Trump for his domestic policies but was disappointed he agreed to move the US embassy in Israel. I still consider him a much better choice than dementia Joe.

At least the Repubiclan party appears to still love America and care about average Americans in some ways. The demo rats are just that, rats who hate America and are destroying it and will continue to destroy it if they manage to win in 2024.

Trump lost lost because of his handling of cov-19 and his connections to the extreme right.

Tex, a bit of thinking will not hurt you. Look at realities and facts. Certainly I have misgivings regarding D. Trump, but the other scenarios are far more scary.

Perhaps G. Newson as President and I. A. Omar as VP would be more to your taste?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Texan77 on February 05, 2024, 11:42:17 PM

Trump lost lost because of his handling of cov-19 and his connections to the extreme right.

Tex, a bit of thinking will not hurt you. Look at realities and facts. Certainly I have misgivings regarding D. Trump, but the other scenarios are far more scary.

Perhaps G. Newson as President and I. A. Omar as VP would be more to your taste?


Anything except Trump.

Maybe after Trumps losses to this loser Biden in four years we can take what is left of the country and move forward. Almost none of Trump's cabinet or his vice president who served with him support him. There is reason for this. He is an awful leader who has turned the presidency of the USA into a reality show full of unnecessary drama and infighting. Then in the end he has been captured by the extreme right who see him as a way to justify their cause to suspend the government we now have for something much worse. Trump is mentally unstable and extreme right forces are able to use him with his ego to achieve their goals. This claiming the elections were stolen was one of their ploys to undermine the population's trust in elections so they can one day soon take over the country saying they won when they did not and suspend elections all together because they know who would really "won." Then do away with the media so we can have a popular presidents like Russia and China have. Trump is too dumb to be the leader he is their puppet. His ego blinds him to what he is really doing, and he really does not care that much anyway. If he gets back in office the problems will make Biden immigration failures look like child's play. There is more than a good chance he will get successfully impeached then not leave office claiming it was rigged. Then start an internal up rising like the USA has not seen in modern times.  Trump is a more dangerous force than Russia and/or China to the USA. I hope after this election cycle I can be republican again.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on February 06, 2024, 03:20:37 AM
Anything except Trump.

And this is the problem in America, which then migrates through the rest of the world. Tex and people like him, would literally vote for anyone but Trump due to their programming, creating the opportunity for more dangerous and less able career politicians to become President.

Trump may well have continued to trigger and upset millions around the world with his show but the world would be in a much safer and more prosperous place had he been re-elected. Nothing good has come from the Biden camp and I don't really care how that affects the US but unfortunately team Biden's decisions and policy have huge ramifications with what happens around the globe.

Trump is the lesser of the two evils and lets face it, Joe Biden is an embarrassment portraying weakness and confusion.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on February 06, 2024, 06:10:24 AM

Trump lost lost because of his handling of cov-19 and his connections to the extreme right.

Tex, a bit of thinking will not hurt you. Look at realities and facts. Certainly I have misgivings regarding D. Trump, but the other scenarios are far more scary.

Perhaps G. Newson as President and I. A. Omar as VP would be more to your taste?


Anything except Trump.

Maybe after Trumps losses to this loser Biden in four years we can take what is left of the country and move forward. Almost none of Trump's cabinet or his vice president who served with him support him. There is reason for this. He is an awful leader who has turned the presidency of the USA into a reality show full of unnecessary drama and infighting. Then in the end he has been captured by the extreme right who see him as a way to justify their cause to suspend the government we now have for something much worse. Trump is mentally unstable and extreme right forces are able to use him with his ego to achieve their goals. This claiming the elections were stolen was one of their ploys to undermine the population's trust in elections so they can one day soon take over the country saying they won when they did not and suspend elections all together because they know who would really "won." Then do away with the media so we can have a popular presidents like Russia and China have. Trump is too dumb to be the leader he is their puppet. His ego blinds him to what he is really doing, and he really does not care that much anyway. If he gets back in office the problems will make Biden immigration failures look like child's play. There is more than a good chance he will get successfully impeached then not leave office claiming it was rigged. Then start an internal up rising like the USA has not seen in modern times.  Trump is a more dangerous force than Russia and/or China to the USA. I hope after this election cycle I can be republican again.

https://youtube.com/shorts/CYBwz0b7xIw?si=7YJ2-F33O_2VMT3U

I’ve no reservation had Biden been the one seated at that moment Tex, one of two things is sure to happen. Either he’s asleep or there would’ve been a reversal on the money exchange.

Biden/Harris 2024!!
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on February 07, 2024, 03:50:41 PM
According to Ann Coulter, Evangelicals are easily conned. I tend to think she's correct.

https://www.takimag.com/article/prove-youre-not-easily-led-evangelicals/
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on February 08, 2024, 01:06:33 AM
According to Ann Coulter, Evangelicals are easily conned. I tend to think she's correct.

https://www.takimag.com/article/prove-youre-not-easily-led-evangelicals/

So I personally regard AC as somewhere between a joke and a bacillus.  She's probably a (mildly) net negative for the party, but at least she's (usually) directing fire at our enemies.

Trump courted Christian Conservatives.  He not only courted them before the election, and unlike traditional Republican who, after winning basically say "Thanks for your votes, guys! We're going to go work on the economy now!", he delivered for them. He put a Christian conservative on the ticket as VP, he put three conservatives on the Supreme Court - leading directly to Roe going "POOF!" in a puff of smoke - he doubled the per child tax credit, and he directed DoJ to intervene on behalf of the baker in "Masterpiece Cake". Even GWB wouldn't have done that. Sure, he may think that the first two Apostles were David and Goliath, but he's the best president the Religious Right ever had.

Trump's SCOTUS and judicial picks were a Big Win for conservatives, not just for Evangelicals.  Abortion legislation got returned to the states where it got heavily restricted in Missi-bama-tucky, and got expanded in Nuevo York and Commiefornia, where you now get a Starbucks gift-card with your free abortion (BOGO pricing for twins!)  Returning the matter to the states is the outcome a conservative would want.

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on February 08, 2024, 10:55:31 AM
According to Ann Coulter, Evangelicals are easily conned. I tend to think she's correct.

https://www.takimag.com/article/prove-youre-not-easily-led-evangelicals/

So I personally regard AC as somewhere between a joke and a bacillus.  She's probably a (mildly) net negative for the party, but at least she's (usually) directing fire at our enemies.

Trump courted Christian Conservatives.  He not only courted them before the election, and unlike traditional Republican who, after winning basically say "Thanks for your votes, guys! We're going to go work on the economy now!", he delivered for them. He put a Christian conservative on the ticket as VP, he put three conservatives on the Supreme Court - leading directly to Roe going "POOF!" in a puff of smoke - he doubled the per child tax credit, and he directed DoJ to intervene on behalf of the baker in "Masterpiece Cake". Even GWB wouldn't have done that. Sure, he may think that the first two Apostles were David and Goliath, but he's the best president the Religious Right ever had.

Trump's SCOTUS and judicial picks were a Big Win for conservatives, not just for Evangelicals.  Abortion legislation got returned to the states where it got heavily restricted in Missi-bama-tucky, and got expanded in Nuevo York and Commiefornia, where you now get a Starbucks gift-card with your free abortion (BOGO pricing for twins!)  Returning the matter to the states is the outcome a conservative would want.

B/B


You didn't read the article, did you?

Even though what you wrote is true, maybe read what she wrote and respond to that?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on February 08, 2024, 05:50:39 PM
I did read it.  It's the typical whine that there isn't a "cooler" candidate.  We have Trump and Biden.  Trump is better, so vote for him and hope he gets most things right.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on February 08, 2024, 07:36:15 PM
I did read it.  It's the typical whine that there isn't a "cooler" candidate.  We have Trump and Biden.  Trump is better, so vote for him and hope he gets most things right.


Sure, there isn't much of a choice. Dementia Joe or a man who realizes some basic truths. Doesn't change the fact that she's right, he did not keep his promise to finish the wall, which allegedly Mexico was going to pay for, but who cares, just get it done. That's one of many things.

Will "TPTB" actually let Trump win? He should win a huge landslide, yet the lefts messaging indicates the people who control them will not let it happen.

We live in interesting times.  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on February 09, 2024, 01:08:43 AM

Sure, there isn't much of a choice. Dementia Joe or a man who realizes some basic truths. Doesn't change the fact that she's right, he did not keep his promise to finish the wall, which allegedly Mexico was going to pay for, but who cares, just get it done. That's one of many things.

The president alone can not make the wall happen. It was fairly documented why it did not came to be: Congress fought him on it every step of the way and in the end they won.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on February 12, 2024, 11:44:02 AM
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"Students of history are less surprised. Political Tribunals masquerading as Law Courts were standard under Communist rule. Dreaming up ways to confiscate the property of political opponents was common in cruder times. As illustrated in Colleen McCullough’s Masters of Rome series of novels, it was standard procedure in the last years of the Roman Republic. And, of course, it was in large part to stop this activity by the Crown that the English Barons forced Magna Carta on King John in 1215.

I doubt if any of the ancestors of NYAG James’ legal hit squad were within a thousand miles of England in 1215.

But there may be more behind this legal piracy than Trump Derangement Syndrome."


https://vdare.com/articles/john-derbyshire-just-why-did-the-u-s-deep-state-declare-war-on-russia
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on February 12, 2024, 01:00:31 PM
I did read it.  It's the typical whine that there isn't a "cooler" candidate.  We have Trump and Biden.  Trump is better, so vote for him and hope he gets most things right.


Sure, there isn't much of a choice. Dementia Joe or a man who realizes some basic truths. Doesn't change the fact that she's right, he did not keep his promise to finish the wall, which allegedly Mexico was going to pay for, but who cares, just get it done. That's one of many things.

Will "TPTB" actually let Trump win? He should win a huge landslide, yet the lefts messaging indicates the people who control them will not let it happen.

We live in interesting times.  :coffeeread:

Several government agencies were conspiring against him from the jump and actively trying to unseat a democratically-elected president.  Bill Priestap, McCabe, Comey, and whichever one that "gay pedo face" dude was should all be strung up by their nuts.

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on February 19, 2024, 04:44:16 PM
This is the hearing held last Friday and Fani Willis' testimony. Fani Willis is Georgia's DA that is trying to sue Trump for alleged election interference. They're determining whether or not to remove her from this trial  due to corruption/conflict of interest.

DA Fani Willis hired lawyer Nathan Wayde to be the prosecutorial lawyer against Trump. Wade was paid at least between $653K to as much as a million dollars for the job. The day he got the contract from the DA, he filed for divorce and made sure the terms of his hiring by the DA be shielded from the divorce.

As it turns out, Wade made varying 'covert' trip reservations and met with DA Willis. You get the idea. It was Wade's divorced wife that called 'foul'!

The testimony is hysterical.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on February 20, 2024, 12:14:39 AM
Bodine,

obviously, you have not been watching the proceedings with the lawyers on the Trumpy side getting shut down for chasing nothing burgers.

I doubt Willis will be removed, and even if she is the proceedings will continue.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on February 20, 2024, 05:39:09 AM
Will Willis be removed from the case? Don’t be silly. The cause of the case is to keep Trump from the 2024 election. If you actually live here, you’d know that.

There’s no doubt what happened in the matter dealing with Willis/Wade, or as black Americans call it, it’s ghetto! LMAO.

Removing her will require new appointment of legal team which will take time beyond the 2024 election and could possibly lead to reduce charges and even ultimately be dropped altogether.

The likely outcome of this is the judge will decide not to remove her despite the obvious evidence. Get with the program, man.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Faux Pas on February 20, 2024, 07:27:46 AM
Bodine,

obviously, you have not been watching the proceedings with the lawyers on the Trumpy side getting shut down for chasing nothing burgers.

I doubt Willis will be removed, and even if she is the proceedings will continue.

BC, your list of nothing burgers that are in fact fat juicy cheeseburgers is getting long and lengthy. If there is any justice left in this world the Soros backed Big Fanny Willis will at a minimum get bounced from the case. Likely replaced with another Soros backed prosecutor. As Bodine mentions the end game isn't to prosecute Trump as it is to keep him off the upcoming ballot.

If you are the champion of democracy as you claim, why doesn't that not bother you? Honest question. In 2020 Trump did not corrupt the election, collaborate with Russians and he did not instigate Jan 6th. Those were part and parcel of the left. In your heart of hearts you know this to be true. The truth is there, you just refuse to embrace it
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on February 20, 2024, 09:23:32 AM
The segment pertaining to Ms. D.A. Fani Willis testimony in this video is pretty funny especially the part about 'continents'.


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on February 20, 2024, 09:36:49 AM
These silly indictments and charges is no different than what they did to Sen. Ted Stevens just prior to the 2008 election. They tied him up in court to keep him from the election. This assured a long time Republican from his pending re-election campaign into a skid and switched the majority senate to the Democrats.

After the election, it was revealed that the prosecuting team withheld crucial evidence that would've exonerated the senator. That election was a massive turning point in America that we are experiencing today.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on February 21, 2024, 01:26:43 AM
Will Willis be removed from the case? Don’t be silly. The cause of the case is to keep Trump from the 2024 election. If you actually live here, you’d know that.

Where I live is irrelevant. Every shred of information available to you is available to me. This case is to determine if Trump and his pals knowingly and willfully conspired to unlawfully change the outcome of the 2020 election. The judge will now decide whether or not any actions by Willis have tainted the prosecution. Other pending cases address whether or not Trump is eligible to be on the ballot in 2024 in certain states. Maybe you should pay more attention to the facts instead of jumping to meaningless conclusions.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on February 21, 2024, 01:56:16 AM
Will Willis be removed from the case? Don’t be silly. The cause of the case is to keep Trump from the 2024 election. If you actually live here, you’d know that.
Maybe you should pay more attention to the facts instead of jumping to meaningless conclusions.
I wish judges would do that more often. Then all of these trump-cases would have been thrown out as nothing-burgers as you'd like to say.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on February 21, 2024, 03:23:14 AM
Will Willis be removed from the case? Don’t be silly. The cause of the case is to keep Trump from the 2024 election. If you actually live here, you’d know that.

Where I live is irrelevant. Every shred of information available to you is available to me. This case is to determine if Trump and his pals knowingly and willfully conspired to unlawfully change the outcome of the 2020 election. The judge will now decide whether or not any actions by Willis have tainted the prosecution. Other pending cases address whether or not Trump is eligible to be on the ballot in 2024 in certain states. Maybe you should pay more attention to the facts instead of jumping to meaningless conclusions.

Well of course it’s relevant. Because if you did you’d understand facts are the first thing ignored in kangaroo courts. Im not surprised you have difficulties recognizing facts from drowning yourself with CNN feeds.

Willis and Wade lied under oath! Fact. Usually at the very least they’re both thrown out of the case against Trump & company. As prosecuting attorneys they could also be disbarred altogether.

Again, considering this is a kangaroo court there’s a YUGE probability, like the what happened to the prosecuting team on Steven’s’ case, these idiots fate will be fine.

Almost just like what happened in the case regarding the classified docs with Trump & Biden. Pretty cool they not only ‘excused’ Biden from the same crime, they did it with more time left to campaign.

Hard to realize age is now a threshold to determine whether or not one is above the law in America these days, no? You don’t really ‘buy’ that Biden is an old forgetful empty suit to stand trial but not old enough to be a shell and run a country, do you?

See what I mean? Kangaroo courts. You would know this if you actually live here and not just rely on what CNN feeds you.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on February 21, 2024, 12:22:21 PM
I wish judges would do that more often. Then all of these trump-cases would have been thrown out as nothing-burgers as you'd like to say.

Although not perfect, our judicial system is quite robust, with multiple layers of recourse.  I don't always agree, but I have to say that this is the one branch of government I trust the most, as their range of action is limited by laws and the Constitution.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on February 21, 2024, 12:36:03 PM

Well of course it’s relevant. Because if you did you’d understand facts are the first thing ignored in kangaroo courts. Im not surprised you have difficulties recognizing facts from drowning yourself with CNN feeds.

I watched the proceedings Bodine without any form of interpretation by third parties.  I also listen to Supreme Court hearings and read the associated documents. 

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Willis and Wade lied under oath! Fact. Usually at the very least they’re both thrown out of the case against Trump & company. As prosecuting attorneys they could also be disbarred altogether.

If you have any proof whatsoever, send it to Trump's defense team.  Perjury is a serious offense.

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Again, considering this is a kangaroo court there’s a YUGE probability, like the what happened to the prosecuting team on Steven’s’ case, these idiots fate will be fine.

I saw no kangaroos in the courtroom. 

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Almost just like what happened in the case regarding the classified docs with Trump & Biden. Pretty cool they not only ‘excused’ Biden from the same crime, they did it with more time left to campaign.

Biden was deemed not to have committed a crime that could be prosecuted, nor did he attempt to obstruct. This was not the case with Trump. Apples and oranges.

(https://i.postimg.cc/0N91nxmm/Screenshot-2024-02-19-at-15-28-18.jpg)

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Hard to realize age is now a threshold to determine whether or not one is above the law in America these days, no? You don’t really ‘buy’ that Biden is an old forgetful empty suit to stand trial but not old enough to be a shell and run a country, do you?

I agree pickings are slim on both sides, but in the end I trust Biden more than Trump.

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See what I mean? Kangaroo courts. You would know this if you actually live here and not just rely on what CNN feeds you.

I watch and read a number of sources. You are relying far more on interpreted 'news' shows and are less informed than I am as far as assessments of facts go.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on February 21, 2024, 05:31:15 PM
I watched the proceedings Bodine without any form of interpretation by third parties.  I also listen to Supreme Court hearings and read the associated documents.

  Then why you never to fail to regurgitate CNN narrative, BC? What was it you said to me once about CNN? Just as reliable as any other ?

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If you have any proof whatsoever, send it to Trump's defense team.  Perjury is a serious offense.

No need. Asleigh Merchant already has provided all that she needs, BC. ‘Looks good’ enough to me.

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I saw no kangaroos in the courtroom.

Turn off CNN, Grasshopper.

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Biden was deemed not to have committed a crime that could be prosecuted,

You weren't as up to snuff as you believe you are because you vacillate at your convenience. Is being 'deemed not to have committed a crime' carry the same burden as saying 'but he is not exonerated'? Because we all know what you believe that word represents. In this case, they actually have evidence Biden did in fact broke the law.

Quote from: Hur Report – Executive Summary
Our investigation uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private citizen. These materials included (1) marked classified documents about military and foreign policy in Afghanistan, and (2) notebooks containing Mr. Biden's handwritten entries about issues of national security and foreign policy implicating sensitive intelligence sources and methods. FBI agents recovered these materials from the garage, offices, and basement den in Mr. Biden's Wilmington, Delaware home.

One Kangaroo. The *He’s a well-intentioned elderly man with poor memory* clause kept his arse from getting scuttlebutt. Give me a break!

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nor did he attempt to obstruct.

Sure, and neither did his 'ghostwriter' when he tried to delete the memoir he took when Biden share classified information to him. Two Kangaroos.

Remember Hillary’s subpoenaed secret server bleaching drama and hammered cell phones? Does that constitute 'obstruction'? Or does it count simply because her last name didn’t happen to be ‘Trump’? Three Kangaroos...

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This was not the case with Trump. Apples and oranges.

You can say that again. Now you're getting it. Four Kangaroos.

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I agree pickings are slim on both sides, but in the end I trust Biden more than Trump.

Even after he tells you El Sisi is now Mexico's president? LMAO! Five Kangaroos.

Quote from: Bodine
See what I mean? Kangaroo courts. You would know this if you actually live here and not just rely on what CNN feeds you.

And that is exactly the point, BC. Kangaroos abound.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on February 21, 2024, 10:48:00 PM

  Then why you never to fail to regurgitate CNN narrative, BC? What was it you said to me once about CNN? Just as reliable as any other ?

I didn't regurgitate CNN narrative Bodine.  I watched and read the source material and formed my opinion. Maybe CNN agrees with me? Just because CNN or another news media outlet states something doesn't mean it's wrong.

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No need. Asleigh Merchant already has provided all that she needs, BC. ‘Looks good’ enough to me.

Well whoopie. It's not about what looks good to you, Bodine; it's about what the Judge hears and agrees with.

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Turn off CNN, Grasshopper.

You're repeating yourself.


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You weren't as up to snuff as you believe you are because you vacillate at your convenience. Is being 'deemed not to have committed a crime' carry the same burden as saying 'but he is not exonerated'? Because we all know what you believe that word represents. In this case, they actually have evidence Biden did in fact broke the law.

Quote from: Hur Report – Executive Summary
Our investigation uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private citizen. These materials included (1) marked classified documents about military and foreign policy in Afghanistan, and (2) notebooks containing Mr. Biden's handwritten entries about issues of national security and foreign policy implicating sensitive intelligence sources and methods. FBI agents recovered these materials from the garage, offices, and basement den in Mr. Biden's Wilmington, Delaware home.

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One Kangaroo. The *He’s a well-intentioned elderly man with poor memory* clause kept his arse from getting scuttlebutt. Give me a break!

Read the bottom of page 10 and top of page 11 of Hur's report:

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The exception is former President Trump. It is not our role to
assess the criminal charges pending against Mr. Trump, but several material
distinctions between Mr. Trump's case and Mr. Biden's are clear.
Unlike the evidence
involving Mr. Biden, the allegations set forth in the indictment of Mr. Trump, if
proven, would present serious aggravating facts.

Most notably, after being given multiple chances to return classified
documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According
to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but
he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about
it.
In contrast, Mr. Biden turned in classified documents to the National Archives and
the Department of Justice, consented to the search of multiple locations including his
homes, sat for a voluntary interview. and in other ways cooperated with the
investigation.

Quote
Sure, and neither did his 'ghostwriter' when he tried to delete the memoir he took when Biden share classified information to him. Two Kangaroos.

If his ghostwriter broke the law he can be charged separately. Did Biden tell him to do so like Trump told his folks to obstruct?

Quote
Remember Hillary’s subpoenaed secret server bleaching drama and hammered cell phones? Does that constitute 'obstruction'? Or does it count simply because her last name didn’t happen to be ‘Trump’? Three Kangaroos...

Ah yes, it's all Hillary's fault. You'll have to read the reports about that. It has no bearing on the investigation of Biden or Trump.

Quote
You can say that again. Now you're getting it. Four Kangaroos.

Nothing to 'get' except that you fail to substantiate your point.

Quote
Even after he tells you El Sisi is now Mexico's president? LMAO! Five Kangaroos.

Meh... and?

Quote
See what I mean? Kangaroo courts. You would know this if you actually live here and not just rely on what CNN feeds you.

And that is exactly the point, BC. Kangaroos abound.

Yes they do.  You are the one jumping around aimlessly.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on February 22, 2024, 12:10:32 AM

Sure, and neither did his 'ghostwriter' when he tried to delete the memoir he took when Biden share classified information to him. Two Kangaroos.

Remember Hillary’s subpoenaed secret server bleaching drama and hammered cell phones? Does that constitute 'obstruction'? Or does it count simply because her last name didn’t happen to be ‘Trump’? Three Kangaroos...


Read from page 334 of the Hur report for this topic.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024.pdf

Quote
CONCLUSION
For the foregoing reasons, we conclude that no criminal charges are warranted
in this matter.
[/b]
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on February 22, 2024, 03:31:50 AM
I didn't regurgitate CNN narrative Bodine.  I watched and read the source material and formed my opinion. Maybe CNN agrees with me? Just because CNN or another news media outlet states something doesn't mean it's wrong.

Maybe. But I’ll raise a thousand on ‘regurgitate’ for the win.

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Well whoopie. It's not about what looks good to you, Bodine; it's about what the Judge hears and agrees with.

And yet you claim you watched the hearing…

speaking of which, watching the hearing myself, did ghetto Fani admitted to violating ethics rule when she openly ‘fessed up pulling sums out of her campaign for personal use? Isn’t there a IRS rule about 501s and ‘income’ reporting?

Bottom line, I was led to believe officers of the courts are held to higher and stricter standard. They need not be proven much of anything to violate ethics rule, they need only to show an appearance of one.

Who knows, she’s a Democrat. Likely not applicable.

Quote
You're repeating yourself.

I felt the need, Grasshopper.

Quote
Read the bottom of page 10 and top of page 11 of Hur's report:

The exception is former President Trump. It is not our role to
assess the criminal charges pending against Mr. Trump, but several material
distinctions between Mr. Trump's case and Mr. Biden's are clear.
Unlike the evidence involving Mr. Biden, the allegations set forth in the indictment of Mr. Trump, if proven, would present serious aggravating facts.
Most notably, after being given multiple chances to return classified
documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it.
In contrast, Mr. Biden turned in classified documents to the National Archives and
the Department of Justice, consented to the search of multiple locations including his homes, sat for a voluntary interview. and in other ways cooperated with the
investigation.

Must be age. No one can possibly be this dense.

Having evidence to prove your hero committed a crime has zero to do with what Trump may or may not be guilty. Get it?

They found evidence he committed a crime and was exonerated. Makes no difference how two persons murdered another, knifed or shot, each is guilty of murder.

To make this even more absurd, in your dimmed lenses, Mueller’s report they found no evidence to convict Trump to be guilty as charged but it didn’t  exonerate him - and you and CNN feverishly debated made him guilty! Ten kangaroos.

Rub eyes…blink…see clearly

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If his ghostwriter broke the law he can be charged separately. Did Biden tell him to do so like Trump told his folks to obstruct?


‘IF’? Did Biden tell him anything? Who cares? He shared sensitive information makes him culpable to anything the person does with the material. Again, he’s proven to be guilty as charged - yet…

Quote
Ah yes, it's all Hillary's fault. You'll have to read the reports about that. It has no bearing on the investigation of Biden or Trump.

Read the report, for what? To reinforced the belief our justice system had become a joke? LMAO! I don’t watch CNN!

Quote
Nothing to 'get' except that you fail to substantiate your point.

Must these kangaroos need to jump on top of your head, BC?

Quote
Meh... and?

Now I got you to admit you’ve lost the ability to distinguish lies, truth and the basic element of ‘trust’.

Quote
Yes they do.  You are the one jumping around aimlessly.

Still confused after all these years.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on February 22, 2024, 03:55:54 AM
Read from page 334 of the Hur report for this topic.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024.pdf

Quote
CONCLUSION
For the foregoing reasons, we conclude that no criminal charges are warranted
in this matter.
[/b]

::::yawn::::

Keep up Grasshopper! They already stated ‘he’s a well-intentioned elderly man with poor memory’, so they gave him a free pass.

Funny that Biden and his cronies were actually even insulted by that. Gift…horse….mouth, no?

All they really need to say is his last name isn’t Trump. Even Hillary understands that’s the Trump card.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: rosco on February 22, 2024, 06:33:46 AM
Unfortunately for BC, he's unsuccessfully attempting to quote or use documents produced by a corrupt system, to try and prove that the system isn't corrupt. It's both hilarious and depressing, watching someone try to justify the indefensible.

A fair system would look to prosecute both Trump and Biden or admonish them both. The clear and obvious preferential treatment towards Biden, proves that they don't even care to hide the crookedness anymore.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on February 22, 2024, 09:06:10 PM
A fair system would look to prosecute both Trump and Biden or admonish them both. The clear and obvious preferential treatment towards Biden, proves that they don't even care to hide the crookedness anymore.

Had Trump handled the matter in the same way Biden did, he would not have been indicted.  Read the reports and note the differences.  Trump digs his own holes and falls in them without being pushed or shoved.
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on February 24, 2024, 06:35:21 AM
Had Trump handled the matter in the same way Biden did, he would not have been indicted.  Read the reports and note the differences.  Trump digs his own holes and falls in them without being pushed or shoved.

False equivalence fallacy.

We are back to this false comparison rather than the law. Biden was vice president.
Trump was president. Trump has the constitutional authority to make any document declassified. Congress can make no law to change that. The constitution defines the
separation of powers, not the congress. If Orange man is president he can do that.
If Bumbling man is Veep he can't do it.

If Bumbleman is VP, but really nice and means well and does what the bureaucrats
of the state say, he still committed a crime. If Orange man was President does the
same thing he committed no crime even if he tells bureacrats of the state to F#ck
themselves.

Bumbleman committed a crime. Mean Orangeman, no crime. Now the facts are
correct. Based on the facts, please make your argument based on that. 

Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on February 24, 2024, 07:05:05 AM
Strawman fallacy Biden did not commit espionage, so he is innocent!!!!!

Taking those documents home, to his office, reading them to a ghost writer and
generally scattering them around is a different crime, which he is guilty.

I will use your exact fallacy. Trump did not commit murder so he is innocent!!
Trump did not commit espionage either so he is innocent of things regarding
Mar-a-Lago valuations!!

You just proved Trump innocent using logic and the facts!!


(https://i.postimg.cc/0N91nxmm/Screenshot-2024-02-19-at-15-28-18.jpg)

Hard to realize age is now a threshold to determine whether or not one is above the law in America these days, no? You don’t really ‘buy’ that Biden is an old forgetful empty suit to stand trial but not old enough to be a shell and run a country, do you?


Redefinition fallacies: All Tim Liberal Favorite is to change the meaning of words, or using the wrong words to define something.

The leftists are calling Bidens old rather than having dementia or diminished cognitian.
Lefty's refer to Bidens age, yet ignore his inability to speak or walk or get off a stage.

All the polls ask
"Is Biden too old to be president" rather than
"Does Biden have the mental acuity to be president"

There are people far older than Biden who can speak and think far better than he can.
So it's the classic redefinition using better sounding words that do not mean the same thing.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on February 24, 2024, 08:19:30 AM
I will frame the argument correctly

If Biden has dimential
Does that mean he is incompetent to be held legally responsible for his crimes?
Answer: That is for a judge and a jury to decide. 



If Biden is too cognitively impaired to perform his duties as president.
(Which is one of the most difficult jobs in the world).
Answer: That is for the American people to decide. 

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on February 24, 2024, 09:57:19 AM
Strawman fallacy Biden did not commit espionage, so he is innocent!!!!!

Taking those documents home, to his office, reading them to a ghost writer and
generally scattering them around is a different crime, which he is guilty.

I will use your exact fallacy. Trump did not commit murder so he is innocent!!
Trump did not commit espionage either so he is innocent of things regarding
Mar-a-Lago valuations!!

You just proved Trump innocent using logic and the facts!!


(https://i.postimg.cc/0N91nxmm/Screenshot-2024-02-19-at-15-28-18.jpg)

Hard to realize age is now a threshold to determine whether or not one is above the law in America these days, no? You don’t really ‘buy’ that Biden is an old forgetful empty suit to stand trial but not old enough to be a shell and run a country, do you?


Redefinition fallacies: All Tim Liberal Favorite is to change the meaning of words, or using the wrong words to define something.

The leftists are calling Bidens old rather than having dementia or diminished cognitian.
Lefty's refer to Bidens age, yet ignore his inability to speak or walk or get off a stage.

All the polls ask
"Is Biden too old to be president" rather than
"Does Biden have the mental acuity to be president"

There are people far older than Biden who can speak and think far better than he can.
So it's the classic redefinition using better sounding words that do not mean the same thing.

Bill,

you are all over the place. did you read subsection (d)  of Section 793?  This is what Hur points to. Trump should have turned over the materials on demand as Biden did. Had he done so this topic in this thread would not exist.
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on February 24, 2024, 12:07:31 PM
you are all over the place. did you read subsection (d)  of Section 793?  This is what Hur points to. Trump should have turned over the materials on demand as Biden did. Had he done so this topic in this thread would not exist.

Hur, the justice department and all of their minions have ZERO authority over TRUMP.
A president can constitutionally unclassify anything he wants. Nobody has any authority
to change that without an amendment to the constitution. 100% of his papers were
from his administration. If it was from the Biden administration, then Hur would have
a legal leg to stand on.


Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on February 24, 2024, 12:11:10 PM

Bill,

you are all over the place. did you read subsection (d)  of Section 793?  This is what Hur points to. Trump should have turned over the materials on demand as Biden did. Had he done so this topic in this thread would not exist.

If the left or congress wants to limit the presidents power, they have to change the
constitution. They can't add some line to a spending bill.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on February 24, 2024, 10:29:02 PM
you are all over the place. did you read subsection (d)  of Section 793?  This is what Hur points to. Trump should have turned over the materials on demand as Biden did. Had he done so this topic in this thread would not exist.

Hur, the justice department and all of their minions have ZERO authority over TRUMP.
A president can constitutionally unclassify anything he wants. Nobody has any authority
to change that without an amendment to the constitution. 100% of his papers were
from his administration. If it was from the Biden administration, then Hur would have
a legal leg to stand on.

Bill,

Your logic doesn't hold water.  He no longer holds executive powers.  Using the same logic, he could wake up tomorrow morning and say he pardoned Sidney Powell, Rudi Giuliani, Lynn Wood, etc., because he 'thought about it' the last day he was in office.

It doesn't work that way.  On his last day in office, he pardoned Albert J. Pirro, Jr.  As much as he would like, his powers to pardon, along with all other executive powers, ended at noon on January 20th, 2021.  All pardons are memorialized.  https://www.justice.gov/pardon/pardons-granted-president-donald-j-trump-2017-2021#Jan202021

He can 'thunk' all he wants but not pardon anyone else.

Trump did not memorialize declassification actions for any of the classified documents in question.  Were any of the documents marked "Declassified on:______ by Donald J. Trump"?  No, they were not.

Get it now?

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on February 25, 2024, 08:18:27 AM
Get it now?

Actually it is you who don’t *get it*.

There’s nothing on EO 13526 that obligates the president to any declassifying constraints. Matter of fact, any definitive procedure to declassify an information is brief. Its order is set at on ‘who’ can declassify and at what standard it should apply. In a perfect world he can go through any exercise to declassify he so chooses, but he can also ignore any ‘perceived’ procedure because it doesn’t exist.

Case in point, in the aftermath of the operation to raid and kill OBL, Obama wasn’t obligated to any constraints but immediately declassified the operation and announced the result of the mission to the public.

Stop watching CNN already.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on February 25, 2024, 08:27:38 AM
He can 'thunk' all he wants but not pardon anyone else.

Trump did not memorialize declassification actions for any of the classified documents in question. Were any of the documents marked "Declassified on:______ by Donald J. Trump"?  No, they were not.

Get it now?

Since you don’t live here and no way for you to know other than what you see and read from the garbages you get from CNN, ‘it is not ‘documents’ that are classified. It is the information that are.

Moreover, literally almost every single piece of classified information are derivative. Meaning, any report that follows, add to, etc. that inherently contains all or part of this ’information’, such report inherits the original classification.

You really need to stop your silly nonsensical, highly bipartisan need to inject your misinformed mentality. Enjoy Italy and leave the US affairs to Americans living here. Folks like you are the underlying reasons there’s a deep divide in our nation today. 
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: B.B. on February 25, 2024, 09:51:10 AM
A fair system would look to prosecute both Trump and Biden or admonish them both. The clear and obvious preferential treatment towards Biden, proves that they don't even care to hide the crookedness anymore.

Had Trump handled the matter in the same way Biden did, he would not have been indicted.  Read the reports and note the differences.  Trump digs his own holes and falls in them without being pushed or shoved.

This is simply false.  The Administrative State has been weaponized against Trump, starting on the night of the election.  Biden is evidently a doddering old man who cannot be held responsible for his actions - yet he can somehow still be president.

Trump, meanwhile, cooperated with authorities, added additional security measures they requested, let them into his home to review the documents, and told them to come back if they needed anything. 

If they wanted to subpoena anything, then the protocol - especially with a former president - would be to serve a subpoena on his legal representative, returnable in 24 hours naming the items demanded.  Instead, they waited until they knew he would be in NYC, then did the whole "FBI RAID!!!" Sturm und Drang for the media. They also would not let his attorneys observe them and what they took - so who knows what they did?

The Lawfare Party is doing everything it can to prevent Trump from winning - and Biden's current approval rating is hovering at 38%, near where Jimmy Carter's was when he got SLAUGHTERED by Reagan in 1980.  Put another way, no president in the modern era has ever been re-elected with an approval rate in the 30s.  Biden is in trouble and the Dems know it, so the only way out is to lie, cheat and steal.

B/B
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on February 25, 2024, 10:11:34 AM

Trump did not memorialize declassification actions for any of the classified documents in question.  Were any of the documents marked "Declassified on:______ by Donald J. Trump"?  No, they were not.

Get it now?

BC, show me the place in the constitution that the president must write declassified on a piece of paper in order to read something or to keep it.
Nothing is given to the president, then he writes declassified on it so that
he can read/have it himself. By being president at the time of having read
it and by keeping it, it is something that he can have.

You are trying to add laws that do not exist ex post facto for political
persecution/prosecution.

Once a president leaves office he can't declassify new things, disseminate to
others or read classified things to others (like ghost writers). But he himself
is in on the things he has, knows, has read and always will be. 

I can't understand how you and the thought police don't get this.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on February 25, 2024, 10:21:50 AM
BC had been wrong about Russian Collusion, wrong about Mueller’s Report, Durham Report, he was wrong about Lockdown, Vaccination, immunity, lab leak, etc…
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on February 25, 2024, 10:51:48 AM
Actually it is you who don’t *get it*.

There’s nothing on EO 13526 that obligates the president to any declassifying constraints. Matter of fact, any definitive procedure to declassify an information is brief. Its order is set at on ‘who’ can declassify and at what standard it should apply. In a perfect world he can go through any exercise to declassify he so chooses, but he can also ignore any ‘perceived’ procedure because it doesn’t exist.

Case in point, in the aftermath of the operation to raid and kill OBL, Obama wasn’t obligated to any constraints but immediately declassified the operation and announced the result of the mission to the public.

EO 13526 was an Obama executive order. One president can't write an
executive order limiting the constitutional powers of the next president.

However
Senile Joe was 100%, utterly, wholly, absolutely, positively, without any
question or reservation bound by that order as his vice president as the
unequivocal law on the matter.

Joe was obliged and failed criminally.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on February 25, 2024, 12:03:48 PM
Bill-

EO 13526 didn’t limit constitutional powers of ensuing president/s. If anything, it only set clarity on matters related to classifying/declassifying information.

The only exception that overrides this order is the one dealing with atomic energy.

https://fam.state.gov/fam/05fam/05fam0480.html

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on February 25, 2024, 01:09:13 PM
Add: Remember when Trump said “he can declassify anything just by thinking about it!”

Narcissistic as they may sound, he’s right.

Quote
… You know, there's a public executive order out there on classification that anyone can go read. There's nothing in there about procedures that the President has to follow. It's really ultimately left to the President's discretion as how to declassify information.

https://justsecuritypodcast.buzzsprout.com/2074610/12965230
Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on February 25, 2024, 01:13:09 PM
Bill-

EO 13526 didn’t limit constitutional powers of ensuing president/s. If anything, it only set clarity on matters related to classifying/declassifying information.

The only exception that overrides this order is the one dealing with atomic energy.

EO's can do many things, I agree 13526 purpose was to clarify. HOWEVER
EO's can't change anything constitutionally, even if they are about atomic
energy, UFO's, the eye on the pyramid or Left wing idiocy.

My points are that

1. The President by definition has certain powers in Section Two of the
     constitution. EO's can't limit, change or alter them.
2. As sure as the law of gravity or the laws of thermal dynamics Biden was
    restricted by Obama's EO. Being a polite, doddering, incompetent old coot
    does/did not free him from that restriction.

Title: President Trump II
Post by: 2tallbill on February 25, 2024, 01:17:29 PM
Add: Remember when Trump said “he can declassify anything just by thinking about it!”

Narcissistic as they may sound, he’s right.


Now we are on the same page and it's section two of the constitution that
makes it almost irreversibly true
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on February 25, 2024, 02:57:19 PM
Add: Remember when Trump said “he can declassify anything just by thinking about it!”

Narcissistic as they may sound, he’s right.


Now we are on the same page and it's section two of the constitution that
makes it almost irreversibly true

In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized. A federal appeals court in a 2020 Freedom of Information Act case, New York Times v. CIA, underscored that point: “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,” the court said.


https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2022/10/fact-check-presidential-authority/#:~:text=Under%20the%20U.S.%20Constitution%2C%20the,through%20use%20of%20executive%20orders.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on February 25, 2024, 03:15:29 PM
Add: Remember when Trump said “he can declassify anything just by thinking about it!”

Narcissistic as they may sound, he’s right.


Now we are on the same page and it's section two of the constitution that
makes it almost irreversibly true

In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized. A federal appeals court in a 2020 Freedom of Information Act case, New York Times v. CIA, underscored that point: “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,” the court said.


https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2022/10/fact-check-presidential-authority/#:~:text=Under%20the%20U.S.%20Constitution%2C%20the,through%20use%20of%20executive%20orders.

Here comes another of the 80+ million…did you even understand the full context of the link you posted?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on February 25, 2024, 06:56:48 PM

EO 13526 was an Obama executive order. One president can't write an
executive order limiting the constitutional powers of the next president.


An executive order remains in effect and has the force of law unless it is revoked or modified by a subsequent president, or invalidated by the courts.  Since the EO can be modified or rescinded, the constitutional powers of the next president is not limited.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on February 25, 2024, 07:27:04 PM
Add: Remember when Trump said “he can declassify anything just by thinking about it!”

Narcissistic as they may sound, he’s right.

Quote
… You know, there's a public executive order out there on classification that anyone can go read. There's nothing in there about procedures that the President has to follow. It's really ultimately left to the President's discretion as how to declassify information.

https://justsecuritypodcast.buzzsprout.com/2074610/12965230

We'll know soon enough as Trump's case winds through the courts.  Then you'll whine and blame the judicial branch when 'thunk' doesn't work.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: mhr7 on February 25, 2024, 08:24:20 PM
Add: Remember when Trump said “he can declassify anything just by thinking about it!”

Narcissistic as they may sound, he’s right.


Now we are on the same page and it's section two of the constitution that
makes it almost irreversibly true

In all cases, however, a formal procedure is required so governmental agencies know with certainty what has been declassified and decisions memorialized. A federal appeals court in a 2020 Freedom of Information Act case, New York Times v. CIA, underscored that point: “Declassification cannot occur unless designated officials follow specified procedures,” the court said.


https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2022/10/fact-check-presidential-authority/#:~:text=Under%20the%20U.S.%20Constitution%2C%20the,through%20use%20of%20executive%20orders.

Here comes another of the 80+ million…did you even understand the full context of the link you posted?

A thought has to be followed with action to have any merit is the point. Trump's comment was off-handed and pulled right out of his ass, it's not worth too much of an argument. Even his lawyers aren't pushing it.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on February 25, 2024, 08:28:18 PM
BC had been wrong about Russian Collusion, wrong about Mueller’s Report, Durham Report, he was wrong about Lockdown, Vaccination, immunity, lab leak, etc…

The Bodine Rule: "Everyone and everything is wrong except what I agree with." 

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on February 25, 2024, 08:57:03 PM
A thought has to be followed with action to have any merit is the point. Trump's comment was off-handed and pulled right out of his ass, it's not worth too much of an argument. Even his lawyers aren't pushing it.

There are over 2 million folks that can classify an information. Most hardly ever do. All except the president must follow procedures to declassify. The lone exception is the Atomic Energy Act.

Whether you like that or not.

Again, best reading your own link and understand it.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on February 25, 2024, 09:00:44 PM
Add: Remember when Trump said “he can declassify anything just by thinking about it!”

Narcissistic as they may sound, he’s right.

Quote
… You know, there's a public executive order out there on classification that anyone can go read. There's nothing in there about procedures that the President has to follow. It's really ultimately left to the President's discretion as how to declassify information.

https://justsecuritypodcast.buzzsprout.com/2074610/12965230

We'll know soon enough as Trump's case winds through the courts.  Then you'll whine and blame the judicial branch when 'thunk' doesn't work.

LMAO! Better come up with new material BC. You’ve been saying literally the same thing every time and you’ve yet to make a single point.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on February 25, 2024, 09:03:06 PM
BC had been wrong about Russian Collusion, wrong about Mueller’s Report, Durham Report, he was wrong about Lockdown, Vaccination, immunity, lab leak, etc…

The Bodine Rule: "Everyone and everything is wrong except what I agree with."

The reward for not solely relying on CNN for information.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on February 25, 2024, 09:12:27 PM
A fair system would look to prosecute both Trump and Biden or admonish them both. The clear and obvious preferential treatment towards Biden, proves that they don't even care to hide the crookedness anymore.

Had Trump handled the matter in the same way Biden did, he would not have been indicted.  Read the reports and note the differences.  Trump digs his own holes and falls in them without being pushed or shoved.

This is simply false.  The Administrative State has been weaponized against Trump, starting on the night of the election.  Biden is evidently a doddering old man who cannot be held responsible for his actions - yet he can somehow still be president.

Trump, meanwhile, cooperated with authorities, added additional security measures they requested, let them into his home to review the documents, and told them to come back if they needed anything. 

If they wanted to subpoena anything, then the protocol - especially with a former president - would be to serve a subpoena on his legal representative, returnable in 24 hours naming the items demanded.  Instead, they waited until they knew he would be in NYC, then did the whole "FBI RAID!!!" Sturm und Drang for the media. They also would not let his attorneys observe them and what they took - so who knows what they did?

The Lawfare Party is doing everything it can to prevent Trump from winning - and Biden's current approval rating is hovering at 38%, near where Jimmy Carter's was when he got SLAUGHTERED by Reagan in 1980.  Put another way, no president in the modern era has ever been re-elected with an approval rate in the 30s.  Biden is in trouble and the Dems know it, so the only way out is to lie, cheat and steal.

B/B

B/B

guess you missed this part on pages 3 and 4 of the indictment:

(https://i.postimg.cc/hvFGmKn6/Screenshot-2024-02-26-at-05-04-45.jpg)

Alleged actions in the indictment clearly differ from the assertions in your reply (marked bold)  https://www.justice.gov/storage/US-v-Trump-Nauta-De-Oliveira-23-80101.pdf

The courts will have the final say in this matter.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: BC on February 26, 2024, 05:53:21 AM
B/B

The relevant subpoena and other information is available here:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.48.1_7.pdf
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on February 26, 2024, 09:50:37 PM
At least the Italians in Italy know that Biden is finished.  :8)

https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1761552726570188957
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on February 27, 2024, 09:15:36 PM
Bodine,

obviously, you have not been watching the proceedings with the lawyers on the Trumpy side getting shut down for chasing nothing burgers.

I doubt Willis will be removed, and even if she is the proceedings will continue.

BC, your list of nothing burgers that are in fact fat juicy cheeseburgers is getting long and lengthy. If there is any justice left in this world the Soros backed Big Fanny Willis will at a minimum get bounced from the case. Likely replaced with another Soros backed prosecutor. As Bodine mentions the end game isn't to prosecute Trump as it is to keep him off the upcoming ballot.

If you are the champion of democracy as you claim, why doesn't that not bother you? Honest question. In 2020 Trump did not corrupt the election, collaborate with Russians and he did not instigate Jan 6th. Those were part and parcel of the left. In your heart of hearts you know this to be true. The truth is there, you just refuse to embrace it

This case just got uglier. The mini-trial going on about silly Willis & Wade sexy time is just the tip of the iceberg in comparison. It appears now that this prosecuting team has a White House ‘plant’ in it all along. 

Talk about election interference. Jeff DeSantis, about as rabid a Democrat pusher as one can get, was at the very core of this case from inception and specifically arranged all of the dynamics to simply target Trump. From Willis to the grand jury selection. This Fulton case would’ve have been the WH’s Ace in the hole.

A real Banana Republic chapter. So this (Biden) is what that Italian dude will trust at the end of the day!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on March 01, 2024, 09:46:24 PM
Holy Molly! If and when judge McAfee decides DA Willis and sexy time squeeze Wade find themselves kicked off the case against Trump and Co., disbarred if not jailed for conflict and corruption, then they can squarely blame it on counsel Adam Abate’s closing argument.

He’s getting blasted on X.



Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 05, 2024, 11:25:03 PM
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Markje on March 06, 2024, 01:24:25 AM

Is it just me, or does this whole ad look like its A.I. generated.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Manny on March 07, 2024, 05:29:08 AM
Is that an official ad or one some blokes have put together?
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 10, 2024, 03:13:08 PM
Is that an official ad or one some blokes have put together?

Not sure who put it out. I found it once and posted it. Couldn't find it again. This speech by Trump is too typical for me.

Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Bodine on March 14, 2024, 03:44:58 PM
I agree pickings are slim on both sides, but in the end I trust Biden more than Trump....


Note: BC, IINM, was in the military.
Title: Re: President Trump II
Post by: Contrarian on March 22, 2024, 06:38:19 AM