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Title: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Wiz on June 23, 2021, 03:18:53 PM
THE DECLINE OF THE AMERICAN EMPIRE
Other countries are used to loathing America, admiring America,
and fearing America (sometimes all at once!), and now....
The US government ‘SEIZES’ the website of Iran’s Press TV,
and multiple other media outlets !


(https://cdni.rt.com/files/2021.06/l/60d21888203027330c5d410e.jpg) 

US authorities have apparently seized the web domains of Iran’s international media outlets Press TV and Al-Alam, along with the Yemeni TV channel Al Masirah, run by the Houthi faction, an Iraqi Shia satellite channel, and others.

Visitors to the PressTV.com and a number of other websites were greeted on Tuesday with a notice that they were seized under US laws that allow civil and criminal forfeiture of property involved in “trafficking in nuclear, chemical, biological, or radiological weapons technology or material, or the manufacture, importation, sale, or distribution of a controlled substance.”

The seizure notice by the US Department of Justice also invokes a law governing presidential authority in dealing with “unusual and extraordinary threat; declaration of national emergency,” which includes the Iran Nonproliferation Amendments Act of 2005 and the ironically named Iran Freedom Support Act of 2006.

The US government ‘SEIZES’ website of Iran’s Press TV (https://on.rt.com/bav0)

 :reading:
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Manny on June 29, 2021, 05:44:38 AM
Governments have long been quietly seizing websites that are inconvenient.

Nominet once threatened a .co.uk site of mine with closure over utter nonsense. The real reason was stuff I'd written about corruption in Guernsey's banking system and lack of depositor protection during the Icelandic banks collapse. I had to threaten them with the Daily Mail to get them to back off.  :reading:

But if the US government are doing it now with media sites, is RT next? Or the Chinese news sites? NKNews? Its a slippery slope. They probably feel bolder knowing FB, Twitter et al got away with censorship (https://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,29303.0.html).

Information is power as they say.

It may be that .ru or .cn sites will be the only places one can publish freely in the future.

Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: BC on June 29, 2021, 06:55:46 AM
Just don't use .com .net or .org which are under US control.

https://www.presstv.ir/

Works fine here, and in the US, so is only a minor annoyance for the website owners.
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Texan77 on June 29, 2021, 07:21:52 AM

Information is power as they say.

It may be that .ru or .cn sites will be the only places one can publish freely in the future.


The trouble is fake news is often more powerful than real news. Just look at Billy and the vaccine. Russia and China have long figured this out and restrict the news. It may have to happen in the west also. How do you not restrict real news and get rid of fake news? Manny you have to look no further than yourself and your feeling toward the people of Ukraine to see how powerful .ru fake news is. News programs in the USA have found they can get more viewers and with exciting fake news than with boring real news. Since they make money on how many viewers they have, it seem fake news is in.
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: andrewfi on June 29, 2021, 08:28:28 AM
Just don't use .com .net or .org which are under US control.

https://www.presstv.ir/

Works fine here, and in the US, so is only a minor annoyance for the website owners.

The problem is the when the domain goes all the search results go away. The thousands of links are broken and casual users lose the site. Traffic to the ir domain might increase but traffic to the sites overall will have taken a big hit.

Next step will be to block or and other domains on the grounds that they support whatever excuse is felt to be tolerable.

It's all a not good thing.
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: BC on June 29, 2021, 10:16:09 AM
Andrew,

Indeed, you are correct, past search links like in google are dead ends now.  Question remains if search engines will be parsing the .ir sites, gaining visibility again.

https://www.tehrantimes.com/ seems to be unaffected, so not a blanket action against all Iranian news sites, seemingly contrary to the rationale used to close the other sites.

Also, agree it's not a good thing when we go back to the Cold War days jamming each other's news transmissions.  I'd rather see efforts to teach kids the skills needed to better digest and discern what they see on their screens.
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Manny on July 02, 2021, 01:39:58 PM
Manny you have to look no further than yourself and your feeling toward the people of Ukraine to see how powerful .ru fake news is.

Where is this fantasy from, Tex?  :chuckle:

I have no negative feeling towards the people of Ukraine. What rot.
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Texan77 on July 02, 2021, 04:50:44 PM
You posted this and it appears to be how you feel about people of Ukraine and as well as how many Russians feel about people of Ukraine. Youi have posted a number of times back in the early stages of the war how no body in Ukraine can do anything but be corrupt. Then when I post some positive things happening in Ukraine you call it sort of fake news. It makes one feel you feel the people of Ukraine are inferior and dishonest. This is a big part why Ukraine want to be in European sphere of influence rather than the Russian sphere of influence. I feel just like this picture this feeling about Ukraine comes from the very bias RT news.   
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Contrarian on July 02, 2021, 10:26:33 PM
You posted this and it appears to be how you feel about people of Ukraine and as well as how many Russians feel about people of Ukraine. Youi have posted a number of times back in the early stages of the war how no body in Ukraine can do anything but be corrupt. Then when I post some positive things happening in Ukraine you call it sort of fake news. It makes one feel you feel the people of Ukraine are inferior and dishonest. This is a big part why Ukraine want to be in European sphere of influence rather than the Russian sphere of influence. I feel just like this picture this feeling about Ukraine comes from the very bias RT news.   

What's wrong Tex did the cartoon hit to close to home for you?  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Wiz on July 03, 2021, 12:52:57 AM
You posted this and it appears to be how you feel about people of Ukraine and as well as how many Russians feel about people of Ukraine. Youi have posted a number of times back in the early stages of the war how no body in Ukraine can do anything but be corrupt. Then when I post some positive things happening in Ukraine you call it sort of fake news. It makes one feel you feel the people of Ukraine are inferior and dishonest. This is a big part why Ukraine want to be in European sphere of influence rather than the Russian sphere of influence. I feel just like this picture this feeling about Ukraine comes from the very bias RT news.   

Tex

Amazing how little you know about Ukraine, its history and current situation....... all you believe is your home propaganda from your own government and the 6 Mass Media organisation who control all types of media in the US  and daily brainwashing you to the benefit of your elite....... like the family of your current President who was exposed ...... openly for their interests in Ukraine.

May I suggest you to read this article which was posted on the 16 December 2002 and you may learn something.

The American plan: a new Pearl Harbour (https://www.newstatesman.com/node/192545)

 tiphat
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Danchik on July 03, 2021, 01:20:33 AM
Tex, Simple question. How much time have you spent in Ukraine?
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Texan77 on July 03, 2021, 07:21:57 AM
You posted this and it appears to be how you feel about people of Ukraine and as well as how many Russians feel about people of Ukraine. Youi have posted a number of times back in the early stages of the war how no body in Ukraine can do anything but be corrupt. Then when I post some positive things happening in Ukraine you call it sort of fake news. It makes one feel you feel the people of Ukraine are inferior and dishonest. This is a big part why Ukraine want to be in European sphere of influence rather than the Russian sphere of influence. I feel just like this picture this feeling about Ukraine comes from the very bias RT news.   

Tex

Amazing how little you know about Ukraine, its history and current situation....... all you believe is your home propaganda from your own government and the 6 Mass Media organisation who control all types of media in the US  and daily brainwashing you to the benefit of your elite....... like the family of your current President who was exposed ...... openly for their interests in Ukraine.

May I suggest you to read this article which was posted on the 16 December 2002 and you may learn something.

The American plan: a new Pearl Harbour (https://www.newstatesman.com/node/192545)

 tiphat

No it tells me just how bias RT news is. I am actually glade Manny posted it.

Where to do think I am getting this progranda from? It is not on USA media. I get it from being in the country. I go to Ukraine several time a year.
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Texan77 on July 03, 2021, 07:49:44 AM
WHAT IN THE WORLD DOES THIS PIECE OF CRAP ARTICLE HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING REAL. The USA gave any remote chance of dominating humanity when we sent so much money to China starting on the 1960's. Your article is so far from what is happening you can not believe it. The decline of the America empire, the title on here is so much closer to what is really happening I can believe how miss informed you are. Socialist in the country and the world order has taken much if not most of the wealth out of this country as we spread wealth around the world by as we no longer produce products in this country but rather buying else where.  WE did not have to make shipping possible and aloud all these imports but we did. The only thing that has happen is the USA is no longer richer many other places as Manny keeps reminding us. How is this dominating Humanity? On 2002 when your article was written is was already too late for anything like domination humanity. Hell as Manny points out all the time, we could not even dominates Viet Nam when we had so much more. 
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: andrewfi on July 03, 2021, 08:21:22 AM
Texan77, the world is not a binary system.

The geopolitical plan outlined in the post by Wiz seems to be genuine and is reflected by what we see happening across the globe. One would need, even in the Land of the Free, to walk around with eyes closed and finger stuffed firmly into one's ears to be unaware of the pattern of activity globally.

That is separate to economic failures in planning in the USA where very poor economic policy choices incentiviaed businesses to move manufacturing out of the United States and to transfer the technologies to enable the offshore manufacturing to take place.

The outcome is something I pointed out almost 20 years ago and is now becoming clearer even to United States policymakers. That's is, if you reduce manufacturing capacity in the USA then you hollow out the ability of the population to spend money on domestic (and imported) goods. Tax revenues from businesses are reduced making it harder for the USA to impose and maintain its geopolitical ambitions.

So both points are valid and the second was dependent upon the first.

Please note, I am not suggesting that USA geopolitical ambitions are benign or evil. I am merely pointing out that economic policies led to an inability to afford the geopolitical policies.

And no, for those who think printing money solves the problem, it doesn't.
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Wiz on July 03, 2021, 08:29:31 AM
You posted this and it appears to be how you feel about people of Ukraine and as well as how many Russians feel about people of Ukraine. Youi have posted a number of times back in the early stages of the war how no body in Ukraine can do anything but be corrupt. Then when I post some positive things happening in Ukraine you call it sort of fake news. It makes one feel you feel the people of Ukraine are inferior and dishonest. This is a big part why Ukraine want to be in European sphere of influence rather than the Russian sphere of influence. I feel just like this picture this feeling about Ukraine comes from the very bias RT news.   

Tex

Amazing how little you know about Ukraine, its history and current situation....... all you believe is your home propaganda from your own government and the 6 Mass Media organisation who control all types of media in the US  and daily brainwashing you to the benefit of your elite....... like the family of your current President who was exposed ...... openly for their interests in Ukraine.

May I suggest you to read this article which was posted on the 16 December 2002 and you may learn something.

The American plan: a new Pearl Harbour (https://www.newstatesman.com/node/192545)

 tiphat

No it tells me just how bias RT news is. I am actually glade Manny posted it.

Where to do think I am getting this progranda from? It is not on USA media. I get it from being in the country. I go to Ukraine several time a year.

May I kindly ask you to get a pear of reading glasses so you cn read correctly the sources on my posts.

Manny instead of deleting the article on my original posting he just added his info regarding this matter.
On my previous post the source was British Mag and therefor has nothing to do with the BIAS OF RT as you say!

Finally, I bet you have not been to Ukraine for at least 2 years.......and have never published any tourist photos.

I am sorry but when it comes to International Politics you have not the foggiest idea.

BTW I have some more bad news for you.....The Russian Bear is replying in kind.......US Forced RT to register as a Foreign Agent.... and ...... "Russia banned the embassy from employing foreign nationals when it designated the U.S. as an “unfriendly” country in May, forcing it to cut 75% of its staff."

I understand that you will have only 37 staff down from 2.000 you had in 2014 when you put your nose in Ukraine and ousted Yanukovych from power in February 2014.

U.S. Embassy in Moscow to Halt Visa, Consular Services From Aug. 1 (https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/06/28/us-embassy-in-moscow-to-halt-visa-consular-services-from-aug-1-a74354)

I will be surprised if the USA Empire lasts more than 2030. I have been reading that China is holding 3 Trillion $ USA Government Bonds ... and if they decided to off load them they will buy 1/2 of the USA Empire.

I suggest to read around and stop listening to the US GOV propaganda.

Buy buy for now going for 2-3 hours siesta time.
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Contrarian on July 03, 2021, 09:15:20 AM
WHAT IN THE WORLD DOES THIS PIECE OF CRAP ARTICLE HAVE TO DO WITH ANYTHING REAL. The USA gave any remote chance of dominating humanity when we sent so much money to China starting on the 1960's. Your article is so far from what is happening you can not believe it. The decline of the America empire, the title on here is so much closer to what is really happening I can believe how miss informed you are. Socialist in the country and the world order has taken much if not most of the wealth out of this country as we spread wealth around the world by as we no longer produce products in this country but rather buying else where.  WE did not have to make shipping possible and aloud all these imports but we did. The only thing that has happen is the USA is no longer richer many other places as Manny keeps reminding us. How is this dominating Humanity? On 2002 when your article was written is was already too late for anything like domination humanity. Hell as Manny points out all the time, we could not even dominates Viet Nam when we had so much more.

This is the face of dementia Gentlemen.

Tex complains about how the USA isn't making products at home but doesn't seem to realize that the military industrial complex does make products in the USA, which sadly we export to foreign countries by bombing them into submission and stealing their oil and precious metals.

Tex then has the audacity to ask, "how is this dominating humanity"? Poor Tex would realize how, if he had been born in Iraq and watched as about 1 Million of his fellow citizens were murdered in cold blood and their murders were euphemistically called "collateral damage".

Tex complains about socialists and the NWO stealing America's wealth and spreading it around to other countries in the World without realizing that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq literally cost trillions of dollars which only benefited the top 1% of citizens who don't give a rats ass about the rest of us.

Part of the NWO plan all along has been to bankrupt the USA with unsustainable spending on foreign wars while simultaneously shipping more important manufacturing jobs overseas. Poor guy cannot seem to realize that he's only seeing one part of the equation.

Furthermore President Trump was the only President to ever stand up against China and the Globalists yet poor Tex is so confused that he hates Trump and condemns Trump supporters every chance he gets.

Manny said it was very difficult to read the book by warmonger Cheney about "American Exceptionalism". Well it's difficult for me to read the garbage from Tex.  :'(
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Manny on July 03, 2021, 11:35:27 AM
What's wrong Tex did the cartoon hit to close to home for you?  :coffeeread:

My first thought too.

It's a bit snowflakey to be offended by a cartoon. And that's a very old cartoon, he must have sat on it seething for years.
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Texan77 on July 04, 2021, 07:49:11 PM

I am sorry but when it comes to International Politics you have not the foggiest idea.

BTW I have some more bad news for you.....The Russian Bear is replying in kind.......US Forced RT to register as a Foreign Agent.... and ...... "Russia banned the embassy from employing foreign nationals when it designated the U.S. as an “unfriendly” country in May, forcing it to cut 75% of its staff."

I understand that you will have only 37 staff down from 2.000 you had in 2014 when you put your nose in Ukraine and ousted Yanukovych from power in February 2014.

U.S. Embassy in Moscow to Halt Visa, Consular Services From Aug. 1 (https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/06/28/us-embassy-in-moscow-to-halt-visa-consular-services-from-aug-1-a74354)

I will be surprised if the USA Empire lasts more than 2030. I have been reading that China is holding 3 Trillion $ USA Government Bonds ... and if they decided to off load them they will buy 1/2 of the USA Empire.

I suggest to read around and stop listening to the US GOV propaganda.

Buy buy for now going for 2-3 hours siesta time.

Where I am suppose to be getting this government propaganda from?

It really dose not concern me how many diplomats Russia kicks out but I do feel sad for the Russians that would of like receiving diplomatic services who will not be able to get them as before.

The three trillion dollars of bonds the Chinese own is much less than what we spent on Covid-19. If they sell them the dip in the market would be very short lived. They used to have four trillion dollars of them and when they sold a trillion it did not make much of a difference.

How can we lose half of an empire we do not have? It is all in your imagination. WE have a group of alliances with the UK being one of them. WE do not own any of these places and we do not have control of the government there. If you call that an empire maybe you should move out of it.
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Texan77 on July 04, 2021, 08:20:37 PM

Tex complains about how the USA isn't making products at home but doesn't seem to realize that the military industrial complex does make products in the USA, which sadly we export to foreign countries by bombing them into submission and stealing their oil and precious metals.

All right who have we bomb into submission? Steal Oil? Whose oil did we steal? If all this is about Iraq we did not steal their oil. WE only used enough to pay for the provisional government when we ran the country for a few months. We did not net any money we lost money during that period of time. What everyone forgets is no one has live with Saddam Hussam these years. Maybe you should read about this guy and have a better understand who we got rid of.

WE left the country but had to return because of ISIS. The government asked us back. WE are now down to a few thousand troops there and trying to find a responsible way out.   

Tex then has the audacity to ask, "how is this dominating humanity"? Poor Tex would realize how, if he had been born in Iraq and watched as about 1 Million of his fellow citizens were murdered in cold blood and their murders were euphemistically called "collateral damage".

That would mean we would have to control the world at one time.

Tex complains about socialists and the NWO stealing America's wealth and spreading it around to other countries in the World without realizing that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq literally cost trillions of dollars which only benefited the top 1% of citizens who don't give a rats ass about the rest of us.

Oh brother. Where do you get this stuff. No one stole our wealth they gave it away with some idea they were going to make the world better. I guess if your Chinese your life is better. 

Classified US military documents released by WikiLeaks in October 2010, record Iraqi and Coalition military deaths between January 2004 and December 2009.[9][10][11][12][16][17] The documents record 109,032 deaths broken down into "Civilian" (66,081 deaths), "Host Nation" (15,196 deaths),"Enemy" (23,984 deaths), and "Friendly" (3,771 deaths).[14][18]

The larger number come form trying to include all kinds of deaths most not having anything to do directly with the USA military.

Part of the NWO plan all along has been to bankrupt the USA with unsustainable spending on foreign wars while simultaneously shipping more important manufacturing jobs overseas. Poor guy cannot seem to realize that he's only seeing one part of the equation.

Another conspiracy theory again. I wonder how many of these do you believe.

Furthermore President Trump was the only President to ever stand up against China and the Globalists yet poor Tex is so confused that he hates Trump and condemns Trump supporters every chance he gets.

President did little to curb the Chinese.  For this we are supposed to have fake elections where he wins even when he loses?

Manny said it was very difficult to read the book by warmonger Cheney about "American Exceptionalism". Well it's difficult for me to read the garbage from Tex.  :'(

It is not difficult for me to read anything you write because it has so baseless.
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Texan77 on July 04, 2021, 08:25:39 PM
What's wrong Tex did the cartoon hit to close to home for you?  :coffeeread:

My first thought too.

It's a bit snowflakey to be offended by a cartoon. And that's a very old cartoon, he must have sat on it seething for years.

I do not take anything here seriously enough to bothered to be offended. You asked where you ever said anything against the people of the Ukraine so I show you thins. I did remember it because if so shows just how bias RT news is. Their other things you said much further back but I was not willing to go that far back to find them. Just not worth the time.
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Texan77 on July 04, 2021, 08:53:23 PM
Texan77, the world is not a binary system.

The geopolitical plan outlined in the post by Wiz seems to be genuine and is reflected by what we see happening across the globe. One would need, even in the Land of the Free, to walk around with eyes closed and finger stuffed firmly into one's ears to be unaware of the pattern of activity globally.

That is separate to economic failures in planning in the USA where very poor economic policy choices incentiviaed businesses to move manufacturing out of the United States and to transfer the technologies to enable the offshore manufacturing to take place.

The outcome is something I pointed out almost 20 years ago and is now becoming clearer even to United States policymakers. That's is, if you reduce manufacturing capacity in the USA then you hollow out the ability of the population to spend money on domestic (and imported) goods. Tax revenues from businesses are reduced making it harder for the USA to impose and maintain its geopolitical ambitions.

So both points are valid and the second was dependent upon the first.

Please note, I am not suggesting that USA geopolitical ambitions are benign or evil. I am merely pointing out that economic policies led to an inability to afford the geopolitical policies.

And no, for those who think printing money solves the problem, it doesn't.

I do not see where we disagree so much. The only thing that seem to be missing they just single out the USA when this is not just a USA problem. Nearly all the developed countries have the same problems, Under funded retirement, health care they can not pay for, over priced housing market, shortage of young tax payers, banking system on the verge of failure, climate change problems they have no idea how to deal with and out of control debt. I am sure their are a few things I am missing but this is a good started list. The not so distant future does not look all so good.

Just a side note. We some how thought when we let China import all that stuff the Chinese would appreciate us. Well that did not happen. Now the Chinese have gone around the world trying to help other countries they thought would be come allies.  They now find they are not appreciated neither.
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Wiz on July 05, 2021, 04:13:45 AM

I am sorry but when it comes to International Politics you have not the foggiest idea.

BTW I have some more bad news for you.....The Russian Bear is replying in kind.......US Forced RT to register as a Foreign Agent.... and ...... "Russia banned the embassy from employing foreign nationals when it designated the U.S. as an “unfriendly” country in May, forcing it to cut 75% of its staff."

I understand that you will have only 37 staff down from 2.000 you had in 2014 when you put your nose in Ukraine and ousted Yanukovych from power in February 2014.

U.S. Embassy in Moscow to Halt Visa, Consular Services From Aug. 1 (https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/06/28/us-embassy-in-moscow-to-halt-visa-consular-services-from-aug-1-a74354)

I will be surprised if the USA Empire lasts more than 2030. I have been reading that China is holding 3 Trillion $ USA Government Bonds ... and if they decided to off load them they will buy 1/2 of the USA Empire.

I suggest to read around and stop listening to the US GOV propaganda.

Buy buy for now going for 2-3 hours siesta time.

Where I am suppose to be getting this government propaganda from?

Read this old Post of mine.......

https://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,25889.msg452451.html#msg452451

I am sorry but I have not much free time today as I have to go on an important meeting in North London ..... with my 2 beautiful granddaughters and must go! SORRY  :)


It really dose not concern me how many diplomats Russia kicks out but I do feel sad for the Russians that would of like receiving diplomatic services who will not be able to get them as before.

The three trillion dollars of bonds the Chinese own is much less than what we spent on Covid-19. If they sell them the dip in the market would be very short lived. They used to have four trillion dollars of them and when they sold a trillion it did not make much of a difference.

How can we lose half of an empire we do not have? It is all in your imagination. WE have a group of alliances with the UK being one of them. WE do not own any of these places and we do not have control of the government there. If you call that an empire maybe you should move out of it.
 

Plenty of people around to educate you while I am away ... ask them nicely .... :P
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: BillyB on July 05, 2021, 10:03:56 AM
Manny you have to look no further than yourself and your feeling toward the people of Ukraine to see how powerful .ru fake news is.


You feel you're qualified to teach others about fake news?


Wiz, if the patriots win, there will be no decline of America. If the patriots lose, there will be a decline of America. I'm surprised that the media over there doesn't reveal to you guys that there may be some major changes in America in a few months that will shock the world. Maybe your media and government officials like Biden?
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Wiz on July 05, 2021, 01:42:03 PM
Manny you have to look no further than yourself and your feeling toward the people of Ukraine to see how powerful .ru fake news is.

You feel you're qualified to teach others about fake news?

Billy: Tex doesn't appear to have or have exhibited on this board such qualifications!!!

Wiz, if the patriots win, there will be no decline of America. If the patriots lose, there will be a decline of America. I'm surprised that the media over there doesn't reveal to you guys that there may be some major changes in America in a few months that will shock the world. Maybe your media and government officials like Biden?

Billy I am not aware of what you are talking about, despite I read USA Newspapers and visit many US and other international sites.

Am I to understand that the ex Us President is organising a civil war together with his KKK and Mafia friends, where the Right will win or most probably the Right will have IT'S OWN VIETNAM WAR AGAIN?

Either way it will be a good END for the rest of the world !
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: AvHdB on July 05, 2021, 06:57:15 PM
Manny you have to look no further than yourself and your feeling toward the people of Ukraine to see how powerful .ru fake news is.

You feel you're qualified to teach others about fake news?

Billy: Tex doesn't appear to have or have exhibited on this board such qualifications!!!

Wiz, if the patriots win, there will be no decline of America. If the patriots lose, there will be a decline of America. I'm surprised that the media over there doesn't reveal to you guys that there may be some major changes in America in a few months that will shock the world. Maybe your media and government officials like Biden?

Billy I am not aware of what you are talking about, despite I read USA Newspapers and visit many US and other international sites.

Am I to understand that the ex Us President is organising a civil war together with his KKK and Mafia friends, where the Right will win or most probably the Right will have IT'S OWN VIETNAM WAR AGAIN?

Either way it will be a good END for the rest of the world !


If I had a comedy club, I would invite you three to appear together.
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Wiz on July 05, 2021, 11:40:50 PM
Manny you have to look no further than yourself and your feeling toward the people of Ukraine to see how powerful .ru fake news is.

You feel you're qualified to teach others about fake news?

Billy: Tex doesn't appear to have or have exhibited on this board such qualifications!!!

Wiz, if the patriots win, there will be no decline of America. If the patriots lose, there will be a decline of America. I'm surprised that the media over there doesn't reveal to you guys that there may be some major changes in America in a few months that will shock the world. Maybe your media and government officials like Biden?

Billy I am not aware of what you are talking about, despite I read USA Newspapers and visit many US and other international sites.

Am I to understand that the ex Us President is organising a civil war together with his KKK and Mafia friends, where the Right will win or most probably the Right will have IT'S OWN VIETNAM WAR AGAIN?

Either way it will be a good END for the rest of the world !


If I had a comedy club, I would invite you three to appear together.

As far as I am aware, the last of the "Court Jesters" was "Dick" Pearce. He was the Earl of Suffolk's "fool", born in 1665 who eventually entered the service of the Berkeley family at Berkeley castle. In 1728 during a performance he overbalanced from the minstrel gallery and fell to his death.

Looks that the Master of the Board, following the old English tradition of the Aristocracy has employed the services of one too! To keep the members happy as well as the post count high, he promoted the old "Don Quixote" of the board to the post of the "Court Jester".

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Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Contrarian on July 05, 2021, 11:43:06 PM
Manny you have to look no further than yourself and your feeling toward the people of Ukraine to see how powerful .ru fake news is.

You feel you're qualified to teach others about fake news?

Billy: Tex doesn't appear to have or have exhibited on this board such qualifications!!!

Wiz, if the patriots win, there will be no decline of America. If the patriots lose, there will be a decline of America. I'm surprised that the media over there doesn't reveal to you guys that there may be some major changes in America in a few months that will shock the world. Maybe your media and government officials like Biden?

Billy I am not aware of what you are talking about, despite I read USA Newspapers and visit many US and other international sites.

Am I to understand that the ex Us President is organising a civil war together with his KKK and Mafia friends, where the Right will win or most probably the Right will have IT'S OWN VIETNAM WAR AGAIN?

Either way it will be a good END for the rest of the world !


If I had a comedy club, I would invite you three to appear together.

What about moi?  :king:
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Danchik on July 06, 2021, 04:38:45 AM
Tex, Simple question. How much time have you spent in Ukraine?
Tex, you haven't answered this question.  Did you perhaps overlook it, or are you avoiding it?

I'm just curious as it does lend credence to some of your takes.
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Markje on July 06, 2021, 07:30:09 AM
Tex, Simple question. How much time have you spent in Ukraine?
Tex, you haven't answered this question.  Did you perhaps overlook it, or are you avoiding it?

I'm just curious as it does lend credence to some of your takes.

He did answer that one :


Where to do think I am getting this progranda from? It is not on USA media. I get it from being in the country. I go to Ukraine several time a year.
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Danchik on July 06, 2021, 09:36:22 AM
Tex, Simple question. How much time have you spent in Ukraine?
Tex, you haven't answered this question.  Did you perhaps overlook it, or are you avoiding it?

I'm just curious as it does lend credence to some of your takes.

He did answer that one :


Where to do think I am getting this progranda from? It is not on USA media. I get it from being in the country. I go to Ukraine several time a year.
Well, not exactly. I was looking for total time, not frequency.

I've been to Sochi several times, but only for a total of 1-2 months as my trips tend to be 2-4 days each. I still have much to learn about the area.

I spent about a year in Russia before I moved here making several trips. I was still a major newly when I arrived for good. My knowledge of all things Russian was vastly superior to what I had known after living here for a couple of years.
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: BillyB on July 06, 2021, 09:56:59 AM
Billy I am not aware of what you are talking about, despite I read USA Newspapers and visit many US and other international sites.


When it comes to politics, the American mainstream media has gone full propaganda


Am I to understand that the ex Us President is organising a civil war together with his KKK and Mafia friends, where the Right will win or most probably the Right will have IT'S OWN VIETNAM WAR AGAIN?


When you say ex President, you mean Trump? Trump is not a racist and he's actually our legitimate president. He's dated black women, he's loan money to black entrepreneurs when banks wouldn't. He's funded black presidential candidate Jesse Jacksons run for president twice. Biden is a racist. He's attended the funerals of KKK following politicians and had great things to say about them. If a Civil War starts, it'll because the Deep State refuses to give up power.
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Manny on July 06, 2021, 12:08:37 PM
What's wrong Tex did the cartoon hit to close to home for you?  :coffeeread:

My first thought too.

It's a bit snowflakey to be offended by a cartoon. And that's a very old cartoon, he must have sat on it seething for years.

I do not take anything here seriously enough to bothered to be offended. You asked where you ever said anything against the people of the Ukraine so I show you thins. I did remember it because if so shows just how bias RT news is. Their other things you said much further back but I was not willing to go that far back to find them. Just not worth the time.

You lack a grasp of context and nuance.

The guy did that cartoon at the time of the Femen protests. One of the things they were objecting to was sex tourism. Many of the protestors held up signs saying "Ukraine is not a brothel". It became a title of a documentary as well.

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Hence the cartoon of an American sex tourist holding up his own sign. We call this humour, Tex.

Only you could transmute that to the poster harbouring "hatred of Ukrainian people" or whatever guff you wrote.

Jeez, I didn't know I had to simplify stuff to this level.  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Contrarian on July 06, 2021, 12:47:47 PM
What's wrong Tex did the cartoon hit to close to home for you?  :coffeeread:

My first thought too.

It's a bit snowflakey to be offended by a cartoon. And that's a very old cartoon, he must have sat on it seething for years.

I do not take anything here seriously enough to bothered to be offended. You asked where you ever said anything against the people of the Ukraine so I show you thins. I did remember it because if so shows just how bias RT news is. Their other things you said much further back but I was not willing to go that far back to find them. Just not worth the time.

You lack a grasp of context and nuance.

The guy did that cartoon at the time of the Femen protests. One of the things they were objecting to was sex tourism. Many of the protestors held up signs saying "Ukraine is not a brothel". It became a title of a documentary as well.

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Hence the cartoon of an American sex tourist holding up his own sign. We call this humour, Tex.

Only you could transmute that to the poster harbouring "hatred of Ukrainian people" or whatever guff you wrote.

Jeez, I didn't know I had to simplify stuff to this level.  :coffeeread:

This is why I won't waste much time trying to educate the guy about our immoral unconstitutional foreign policy. The guy is simply too far gone.

People like him will not understand how the Iraqi, Libyan and Syrian people feel until another superpower rises up and decides to "liberate" the USA and is dropping bombs on our head, calling any resisters "terrorists" and putting him or his friends and family in a hell hole like Abu Graib prison to be humiliated, tortured and then finally murdered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Wiz on July 06, 2021, 02:22:47 PM
What's wrong Tex did the cartoon hit to close to home for you?  :coffeeread:

My first thought too.

It's a bit snowflakey to be offended by a cartoon. And that's a very old cartoon, he must have sat on it seething for years.

I do not take anything here seriously enough to bothered to be offended. You asked where you ever said anything against the people of the Ukraine so I show you thins. I did remember it because if so shows just how bias RT news is. Their other things you said much further back but I was not willing to go that far back to find them. Just not worth the time.

You lack a grasp of context and nuance.

The guy did that cartoon at the time of the Femen protests. One of the things they were objecting to was sex tourism. Many of the protestors held up signs saying "Ukraine is not a brothel". It became a title of a documentary as well.

(Attachment Link)

Hence the cartoon of an American sex tourist holding up his own sign. We call this humour, Tex.

Only you could transmute that to the poster harbouring "hatred of Ukrainian people" or whatever guff you wrote.

Jeez, I didn't know I had to simplify stuff to this level.  :coffeeread:

This is why I won't waste much time trying to educate the guy about our immoral unconstitutional foreign policy. The guy is simply too far gone.

People like him will not understand how the Iraqi, Libyan and Syrian people feel until another superpower rises up and decides to "liberate" the USA and is dropping bombs on our head, calling any resisters "terrorists" and putting him or his friends and family in a hell hole like Abu Graib prison to be humiliated, tortured and then finally murdered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse

But most Americans claim that USA is the best DEMOCRACY in the world!  :biggrin:

 :laugh:
Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Texan77 on July 06, 2021, 04:52:47 PM
Tex, Simple question. How much time have you spent in Ukraine?
Tex, you haven't answered this question.  Did you perhaps overlook it, or are you avoiding it?

I'm just curious as it does lend credence to some of your takes.

I have been going to Ukraine for nine plus years now. The same girl for the last eight plus. I met her on my fourth trip. I make three or four trips a year usually ten days per trip. I like to make it two week ends and stay the week in between .I have spent well over 200 days in Ukraine. I had stop going with Covid-19 so my last trip was when I returned in March 2020. I was going to go this summer but the trip I was planning just was not working out.

I visited them in Lugansk, Zaporizhzhya, Kharkov, Kiev as well as where they now live in Ivona Frankivsk. In the first four trips with out them I was in Odessa, Kherson and Mordovia.

We have a friend in Ukraine that is starting a medical device company. He is planning to make a mini ultra sound machine as a first device. This is a start up company and is very risky at this point. He presently has become her employer. She is very busy and very excited as employees often are with start up companies. Her son off from college is working in another part of the country this summer. She was going thru the empty nest type of feeling also. I am getting old and have been pressing her to find work. The other side of this if I tried to go this summer it would likely not be much of a trip anyway. I most likely would spent all day on the computer writing you guys or something about that exciting. 

I bought her a flat about five years ago. We went to the stores together and bought all the supplies then hire people to do the work on the interior. I did four trips just buying and working on the flat. I just bought her son a flat and the building is being built. It should be ready next summer for us to start to build the interior. The last flat took nearly a year  after it was finished before all the utilities was hooked up so we are considering that might happen again.

I have traveled with them out of the country a couple of times. Once to Poland and once to Honduras. WE have applied for a visa to see if they could visit me in the USA. It may not happen but we are trying. They will both own property and both have other trips out of the country. Hopefully I will be able to get them both proof of employment in Ukraine. With Biden in power it is just a might or might not work. We could not get a date at the embassy until December because of Covid-19.

We often write and text message back and forth during the day. So it feels like I am in almost continual contact with them. A lot of what you get from the time is how observant you are and how much contact you have with people rather than how long you are there. When I am there we also double date with her friends. When I am not there I also hear stories of things that happening, her fears and concerns.   

Title: Re: The Decline OF The AMERICAN EMPIRE
Post by: Wiz on July 07, 2021, 09:38:55 AM
So you are her " Sugar Daddy"and she has made a big impression on you!

Well done..... everybody to his own but not my "cup of tea!"

 tiphat

Of course it's a custom of your country to visit ....err ... Invade foreign countries and then move out having spent in between Trillions of $........ Latest is Afghanistan.....history is been repeated since The Korean war and Vietnam.......!!!

As Taliban gains ground, Pentagon says US withdrawal from Afghanistan more than 90% complete (https://www.rt.com/usa/528513-afghanistan-troops-withdrawal-complete/)

US Central Command estimates the withdrawal from Afghanistan is more than 90% complete.

I just wonder how many innocent people have lost their lives during the period you were there!

I am sure the Debt of Trillions of $$$  you have spend abroad has kept your home industries going, since the END of WWII ..... but as we discussed earlier now the end of your Empire is coming soon!

 :smokin: