I think Kim Jong Un has a Napoleon complex and should be very careful how he plays this. If he keeps poking the US in the eye Trump may rename N Kor as "The Great Smoking Ditch".
This is why the Ukraine needs nuclear weapons to protect against Russia silliness.
This is why Ukraine needs nuclear weapons to protect against Russia silliness.
Thoughts?
See, that's where you and millions of others have not understood why North Korea has a nuclear weapons program or why it is that the US has actually done nothing.
See, that's where you and millions of others have not understood why North Korea has a nuclear weapons program or why it is that the US has actually done nothing.
I understand that fine. I don't understand how some tin pot dictator can threaten a nuclear attack (repeatedly), take pot shots with his missiles while promising to hit Hawaii and San Fran yet the US is supposed to laugh it off? No.
I'm also against a nuclear FIRST strike (pollution concerns etc.) but in the 2nd strike Ok. Actually dropping a MOAB on Un's head taking HIM out would be the best for both of our countries.
As we know, Trump has now started threatening North Korea, who have warned him not to bother or they will retaliate to any attack or attempted US invasion.
Russia and China are rapidly moving troops and equipment to their respective borders with NK, ostensibly to stem any refugee crisis that may occur if there is some kind of war there.
Personally, I think Trump has foolishly bitten off more than he can chew here.
This is more aggression and warmongering from the US.
Trump cannot be permitted to continue the worldwide terrorism that his predecessors started.
The man has bombed two countries in a fortnight and is now threatening a third.
What if..... NK has a nuke and they can shoot it with reasonable accuracy between 300-400 km far (200 miles)
Suppose war breaks out between USA and NK. Whats stopping them from launching a nuke against an aircraft carrier group. As I understand it, Satellite systems can guide such a rocket so the blast-radius will take out the carrier group, even if it isn't a perfect hit.
Mark.
What if..... NK has a nuke and they can shoot it with reasonable accuracy between 300-400 km far (200 miles)
Suppose war breaks out between USA and NK. Whats stopping them from launching a nuke against an aircraft carrier group. As I understand it, Satellite systems can guide such a rocket so the blast-radius will take out the carrier group, even if it isn't a perfect hit.
Mark.
That's why the US has been moving anti missile systems to S Kor and the Chinese are having fits about it.
The witness statements in this case included an accusation that Trump admitted to killing a 12-year-old girl. Curiously, or perhaps not so curious, is a report out of Japan that their intelligence agency has purchased a video tape of Trump murdering a 12-year-old girl. The source on this is a former CIA asset living in Japan who I questioned. Normally such a claim might be seen as a wild conspiracy theory except that soon afterward, Trump sent an American naval flotilla to confront North Korea.
Our CIA asset had claimed this is what Japan demanded in their blackmail of Trump, information that predated the military order by 10 days. Let’s call it a coincidence but also be forewarned as well as we are piling up coincidences. They are forming a pattern and the pattern is now overwhelming, blackmail, personal deals, radical policy changes, it doesn’t take a genius to put it together.
Some interesting - if far-fetched sounding - content here suggesting Japan may be behind what Trump is doing: http://journal-neo.org/2017/04/22/insanity-and-the-art-of-trump-s-deal/QuoteThe witness statements in this case included an accusation that Trump admitted to killing a 12-year-old girl. Curiously, or perhaps not so curious, is a report out of Japan that their intelligence agency has purchased a video tape of Trump murdering a 12-year-old girl. The source on this is a former CIA asset living in Japan who I questioned. Normally such a claim might be seen as a wild conspiracy theory except that soon afterward, Trump sent an American naval flotilla to confront North Korea.
Our CIA asset had claimed this is what Japan demanded in their blackmail of Trump, information that predated the military order by 10 days. Let’s call it a coincidence but also be forewarned as well as we are piling up coincidences. They are forming a pattern and the pattern is now overwhelming, blackmail, personal deals, radical policy changes, it doesn’t take a genius to put it together.
Many, are you seeking a listing as a fake news site for RUA?
That's some pretty outrageous and silly slander you've just published against the President of the USA. :coffeeread:
That's some pretty outrageous and silly slander you've just published against the President of the USA. :coffeeread:
Slander is speech not writing, I quoted a linked source. This is not an American site, we are free to discuss media articles freely here. Even outrageous or silly ones.
The rape case was certainly real: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-accused-underage-rape-lawsuit-a7352976.html
Furthermore the efforts to discredit Trump before the election and even after he won, IMO were because he had stated that he would not continue perpetual wars and that he wanted a better relationship with Russia.
Furthermore the efforts to discredit Trump before the election and even after he won, IMO were because he had stated that he would not continue perpetual wars and that he wanted a better relationship with Russia.
Thats the point though, isnt it? He has u-turned completely. He has bombed two countries in a fortnight, Syria was without evidence and because Ivanka saw a pic on Twitter? (:) I mean come on......
And now he is threatening North Korea, who from what I can make out simply wants to be left alone. It seems Trump started the warmongering again against NK, and they are responding by pointing out they won't be bullied and will defend themselves.
the situation with North Korea was bound to happen someday, which is right now.
OK, why has a bloke elected on a "no wars" rhetoric suddenly decided to do his best to start one?
OK, why has a bloke elected on a "no wars" rhetoric suddenly decided to do his best to start one?
The wars are already started. Trump is trying to end them.
There is no war with North Korea. So why has a bloke elected on a "no wars" rhetoric suddenly decided to do his best to start one?
There is no war with North Korea. So why has a bloke elected on a "no wars" rhetoric suddenly decided to do his best to start one?
There is no war with North Korea. So why has a bloke elected on a "no wars" rhetoric suddenly decided to do his best to start one?
There will be no problem if Un behaves. If he takes a shot at our navy with his missiles then Un is the one starting a war and we will respond.
It's about who shoots first.
There is no war with North Korea. So why has a bloke elected on a "no wars" rhetoric suddenly decided to do his best to start one?
Did I miss something? When was the peace treaty signed?
There is no war with North Korea. So why has a bloke elected on a "no wars" rhetoric suddenly decided to do his best to start one?
There will be no problem if Un behaves. If he takes a shot at our navy with his missiles then Un is the one starting a war and we will respond.
It's about who shoots first.
The point is your navy has no business being there. It is a provocative action. If you left them alone, they wouldn't need to remind you they will defend themselves.
Trump is itching to invade the place - for no reason - and ruin it as you did with Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. Should they sit there and wait for that or threaten retaliation as they are doing?
This is the US doing what it does, and Trump doing exactly the opposite of what he said he would do. I fail to see how this "makes America great again" or why you people might make whooping noises at the prospect of more war.
Or are you all too brainwashed to even question it?
The point is your navy has no business being there. It is a provocative action. If you left them alone, they wouldn't need to remind you they will defend themselves.
There is no war with North Korea. So why has a bloke elected on a "no wars" rhetoric suddenly decided to do his best to start one?
There will be no problem if Un behaves. If he takes a shot at our navy with his missiles then Un is the one starting a war and we will respond.
It's about who shoots first.
The point is your navy has no business being there. It is a provocative action. If you left them alone, they wouldn't need to remind you they will defend themselves.
Trump is itching to invade the place - for no reason - and ruin it as you did with Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. Should they sit there and wait for that or threaten retaliation as they are doing?
This is the US doing what it does, and Trump doing exactly the opposite of what he said he would do. I fail to see how this "makes America great again" or why you people might make whooping noises at the prospect of more war.
Or are you all too brainwashed to even question it?
The point is your navy has no business being there. It is a provocative action. If you left them alone, they wouldn't need to remind you they will defend themselves.
Trump is itching to invade the place - for no reason - and ruin it as you did with Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.
This is the US doing what it does, and Trump doing exactly the opposite of what he said he would do. I fail to see how this "makes America great again" or why you people might make whooping noises at the prospect of more war.
There is no war with North Korea. So why has a bloke elected on a "no wars" rhetoric suddenly decided to do his best to start one?
Did I miss something? When was the peace treaty signed?
I take it that you did not notice that there has not been a state of war for many years? That there is an armistice, but not a peace treaty, between North and South Korea? That the United States has no territorial claims upon North Korea?
Whoops no, that'd require some knowledge as opposed to 'feelz' and programming.
Time for you lot to start acquiring the knowledge required to enable you to overcome your programing because right now your lack of knowledge is what allows you lot to go along with the madness of your leadership.
The point is your navy has no business being there. It is a provocative action. If you left them alone, they wouldn't need to remind you they will defend themselves.
Lulz. If only.Trump is itching to invade the place - for no reason - and ruin it as you did with Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.
The Europeans were all hot and heavy to intervene in Libya, and we pretty much got *invited* into Afghanistan.This is the US doing what it does, and Trump doing exactly the opposite of what he said he would do. I fail to see how this "makes America great again" or why you people might make whooping noises at the prospect of more war.
As I noted, above, Trump exercised some hard power on Assad, and later on Afghanistan. A few bombs doth not an "invasion" make. With the NoKos, he did a drive by with the Carl Vinson.
The US would love nothing more than for Kim Jong Un to stop threatening SoKo and Japan, and go back to watching Donald Duck cartoons. Or maybe that was his father. In any case, Trump is doing precisely what he should do, which is signal to China that KJU is *their* problem and they need to handle it.
For folks who live in SoKo, there are basically, in sum, 11 months of "normal" and one month of Kim behaving like a twit and other countries responding. Simple.
B/B
The point is your navy has no business being there. It is a provocative action. If you left them alone, they wouldn't need to remind you they will defend themselves.
You are all flip-flopping and avoiding the question.
Here it is again:The point is your navy has no business being there. It is a provocative action. If you left them alone, they wouldn't need to remind you they will defend themselves.
Can one of our American friends tell us WHY Trump is provoking NK?
Here it is again:The point is your navy has no business being there. It is a provocative action. If you left them alone, they wouldn't need to remind you they will defend themselves.
Can one of our American friends tell us WHY Trump is responding to the provocations of NK?
Looks more like North Korea is the one looking for a fight. Has Trump threatened to nuke NK?
North Korea threatens Australia with nuclear strike over 'toeing the line' with U.S.
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/04/23/north-korea-threatens-australia-with-nuclear-strike-over-toeing-line-with-us-alliance/22051796/
US tells North Korea to cease 'destabilizing actions and rhetoric'
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/23/politics/pentagon-north-korea/
Our Navy has the right to be in international waters all over the world like everyone else's Navy including that of Russia and Great Britain.
This is why the Ukraine needs nuclear weapons to protect against Russia silliness.
This is why the Ukraine needs nuclear weapons to protect against Russia silliness.
I have read some strange and whacky ideas on RUA, but this might be the winner for this year.
There is no war with North Korea. So why has a bloke elected on a "no wars" rhetoric suddenly decided to do his best to start one?
Did I miss something? When was the peace treaty signed?
I take it that you did not notice that there has not been a state of war for many years? That there is an armistice, but not a peace treaty, between North and South Korea? That the United States has no territorial claims upon North Korea?
Whoops no, that'd require some knowledge as opposed to 'feelz' and programming.
Time for you lot to start acquiring the knowledge required to enable you to overcome your programing because right now your lack of knowledge is what allows you lot to go along with the madness of your leadership.
I have read some strange and whacky ideas on RUA, but this might be the winner for this year.
Prepare for what comes next
I don’t think we will survive another 1,000 years without escaping beyond our fragile planet
I think the development of full artificial intelligence could spell the end of the human race
Avhdb, please take more care. When you write it is convenient to make sure that you do not contradict yourself. (at least you did not pull the specious call to authority trick again)
As you pointed out, when trying to disagree with me, there is an armistice and the Koreans are not at war.
It is not the Koreans winding up the bellicosity.
Time to sleep it off old boy. The liver is less effective as one reaches early old age.
I’m contemplating a trip to North Korea later this year. :nod:
I’m contemplating a trip to North Korea later this year. :nod:
I’m contemplating a trip to North Korea later this year. :nod:
If you need any close quarter protection just let me know.. But I don't come cheap!! You get what you pay for!! If a situation arrises I can get you out alive and in one piece :laugh:
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I’m contemplating a trip to North Korea later this year. :nod:
If you need any close quarter protection just let me know.. But I don't come cheap!! You get what you pay for!! If a situation arrises I can get you out alive and in one piece :laugh:
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You don’t know too much about N. Korean military training do you?
They’d quickly beat the phock out of you, then you’d be another Otto Warmbier and leave in a coma, if you even left at all.
I’m contemplating a trip to North Korea later this year. :nod:
If you need any close quarter protection just let me know.. But I don't come cheap!! You get what you pay for!! If a situation arrises I can get you out alive and in one piece :laugh:
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You don’t know too much about N. Korean military training do you?
They’d quickly beat the phock out of you, then you’d be another Otto Warmbier and leave in a coma, if you even left at all.
You think Im going to have some N Korean 4ft midget give me a hard time.. :ROFL:
I’m contemplating a trip to North Korea later this year. :nod:
If you need any close quarter protection just let me know.. But I don't come cheap!! You get what you pay for!! If a situation arrises I can get you out alive and in one piece :laugh:
I would never put my self in the situation of being "the board" Christ they are bloody slow!! I would of grabbed his foot and broken it within a few seconds.. ;D
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You don’t know too much about N. Korean military training do you?
They’d quickly beat the phock out of you, then you’d be another Otto Warmbier and leave in a coma, if you even left at all.
You think Im going to have some N Korean 4ft midget give me a hard time.. :ROFL:
Just imagine that you are the board they’re smashing. :laugh:
I’m contemplating a trip to North Korea later this year. :nod:
If you need any close quarter protection just let me know.. But I don't come cheap!! You get what you pay for!! If a situation arrises I can get you out alive and in one piece :laugh:
I would never put my self in the situation of being "the board" Christ they are bloody slow!! I would of grabbed his foot and broken it within a few seconds.. ;D
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You don’t know too much about N. Korean military training do you?
They’d quickly beat the phock out of you, then you’d be another Otto Warmbier and leave in a coma, if you even left at all.
You think Im going to have some N Korean 4ft midget give me a hard time.. :ROFL:
Just imagine that you are the board they’re smashing. :laugh:
I would never put my self in the position of being "The board" they are as slow as hell.. I would of broken his foot by now.. :Zzzzsleep:
Kim Jong Un executes officials of the failed nuke summit and send others to hard labor and re-education camps.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/north-koreas-kim-jong-un-carrying-out-purge-after-hanoi-summit-collapse-chosun-ilbo/ar-AAC9ZgJ?ocid=spartanntp
I like going to interesting countries but one that starved it's citizens...?
Not on my wish list
What I don't understand is these people who work for him in one way or another..
If I was one of these guys and I knew I **** up a job I certainly wouldn't be going home to drink tea..I would of packed my bags and got out of there, in fact I would of had a contingency plan even before I started the job..
I like the idea of the hard labour camps though, it is some thing the UK needs , I know thousands already that 3 years hard labour would give a totally different view on life..
It would also be a good way to deter petty criminals , at the moment they just go to holiday camps!!
N Korea has its good points! :laugh:
I like going to interesting countries but one that starved it's citizens...?
Not on my wish list
There is actually quite a large and vibrant tourist industry that has sprung up. Departures are from Vladivostok or Beijing. I’m researching at the moment and will probably do it as a side trip while in China in a few months.
I’m thinking of maybe five days, quite a few firms do interesting trips. Starvation not required.
Look at the #NorthKorea on Instagram and it looks like the world and his wife are there already. Its heaving with Russians.
As with Russia or China, North Korea is no different in the respect that if you don’t do silly things nothing bad happens. With the propaganda that Americans are fed, I can see why it might be an eye-opening prospect for some over the pond.
They never did the job properly ... If that rule was applied to everyone life would be much better.. for a start the population would be halved and secondly everyone else would be doing their job as they are supposed to be doing.. nice one.. :ROFL:
This killing of advisors is a common trope used by propagandists. The idea feeds into the dehumanisation and demonisation of opponents - essential if one is to enable the sheeple to hate and fight the supposed enemy.
They never did the job properly ... If that rule was applied to everyone life would be much better.. for a start the population would be halved and secondly everyone else would be doing their job as they are supposed to be doing.. nice one.. :ROFL:
What's a proper job? Make no deal and get executed. Make a deal with Trump, give up too much, and get executed.This killing of advisors is a common trope used by propagandists. The idea feeds into the dehumanisation and demonisation of opponents - essential if one is to enable the sheeple to hate and fight the supposed enemy.
If you worked for somebody and they killed you because your work performance was unsatisfactory, you don't want us to believe they are a bad person? When's the last time anybody seen Un's uncle?
I think we can all agree the streets of North Korea are safer than those of the USA?
I think we can all agree the streets of North Korea are safer than those of the USA?
I expect there is a zero likelihood of being shot either by criminals or the police.
Another dozen shot in the town hall in Virginia Beach today I gather......
I expect that is another tough pill to swallow for our friends over the pond.
I think we can all agree the streets of North Korea are safer than those of the USA?
I can agree the streets in N Korea are safer than in America. People are scared to get in trouble. They have no freedoms to carry weapons. Most are skinny, small, malnourished and weak. I've never heard of a N Korean citizen going off on a tourist. It's the government that one needs to worry about. Even with gun deaths in America, most N Koreans would prefer life here than over there. Most Americans don't care how Un runs his country. We just don't want the nut to have nukes.
I think any major european city (maybe paris excepted) is safer than most american large cities.
I can walk at night in any district of amsterdam without fear of being killed. Robbed maybe, but not killed.
Who the fcuk are you (plural) to dictate to another independent Nation what they must do for the defence of their Nation and to protect their country from from threatening bullies like the USA ?
I agree that if Kim didn’t have nukes as a deterrent the US would have invaded and killed him by now.
NK isn’t a threat unless you prod them with a sharp stick. Leave them be and they’ll leave you be.
Who the fcuk are you (plural) to dictate to another independent Nation what they must do for the defence of their Nation and to protect their country from from threatening bullies like the USA ?
Wiz, if you fukc with me disguising it as defense, I fukc with you to make your life uncomfortable. That is how life works.I agree that if Kim didn’t have nukes as a deterrent the US would have invaded and killed him by now.
I don't think so. Un's father and grandfather both survived from the 1950 ceasefire to 2006 before they acquired nukes and America hasn't invaded them. We've given them concessions, not war.NK isn’t a threat unless you prod them with a sharp stick. Leave them be and they’ll leave you be.
S Korea is constantly harassed by N Korea. S Korea's land gets shelled, missiles shot over their heads, people kidnapped, and boats sunk. N Korea is the biggest counterfeiter of American dollars in the world. They also sell nuke technology to America's enemies. If a neighbor of yours is hostile to you, shoots over your head, kidnap or family, and sells weapons to neighbors that are hostile to you, you are free to do nothing hoping that is the trick that will make it all go away. I will do something my neighbor doesn't like. Don't fault America for taking care of it's friends and being hostile to our enemies. This type of taking care of friends and being hostile to enemies behavior has been happening since the beginning of man. It's normal behavior.
Who the fcuk are you (plural) to dictate to another independent Nation what they must do for the defence of their Nation and to protect their country from from threatening bullies like the USA ?
Wiz, if you fukc with me disguising it as defense, I fukc with you to make your life uncomfortable. That is how life works.
Who the fcuk are you (plural) to dictate to another independent Nation what they must do for the defence of their Nation and to protect their country from from threatening bullies like the USA ?
Wiz, if you fukc with me disguising it as defense, I fukc with you to make your life uncomfortable. That is how life works.
Billy
After all the years you know me you should know better, by now, that i don't take threats kindly neither I am afraid of such threats like yours.
If you can't accept criticism for your New country USA, then don't get involved in any discussion and debate.
I expect you must have noticed that Europeans have a very different outlook on the news coming from the US, mostly fake and also see the world very different from the programmed and brainwashed American public from the Zionist controlled Mass Media.
BTW North Korea is supported and protected by China and that is why you have not invaded the country..... and
Confederate....I read a report from a Greek woman reporter that visited NK and she did not reported any starvation.......and any lack of consumer food and other items is probably it's down to the US Sanctions.
tiphat
After all the years you know me you should know better, by now, that i don't take threats kindly neither I am afraid of such threats like yours.
If you can't accept criticism for your New country USA, then don't get involved in any discussion and debate.
If you can't accept criticism for your New country USA, then don't get involved in any discussion and debate.
BTW North Korea is supported and protected by China and that is why you have not invaded the country..... and
Kim Jong Un starves his own people and sends his closest associates to labor camps or murders them with artilary.
He’s a sick puppy and megalomaniac, not the type of character who should get a nuke.
Can you tell me one nation that relies on China and/or Russia and is doing well? Their problem isn't America.
Speculation is growing over the whereabouts of North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un 's wife - who has not been seen in public for SEVEN months.
There are genuine, growing fears that she has fallen out of favour with the leader of the communist state and/or his family.......
..............But Kim Jong-un also has form for getting rid of those close to him if they fall out of favour.
Sept. 21 (UPI) -- North Korea first lady Ri Sol Ju reportedly asked a South Korean magician visiting Pyongyang if he could "make her disappear" during the landmark inter-Korea summit this week, according to a South Korean press report.
Who the fcuk are you (plural) to dictate to another independent Nation what they must do for the defence of their Nation and to protect their country from from threatening bullies like the USA ?
Wiz, if you fukc with me disguising it as defense, I fukc with you to make your life uncomfortable. That is how life works.
Kim Jong Un starves his own people and sends his closest associates to labor camps or murders them with artilary.
I have yet to see this "starves his own people" lark. The US will lock up its enemies till the end of time given a chance. The US murders many of thousands of people a year. With artillery. Abroad mostly, but sometimes it's your own cops on the streets. Some states also murder their criminals. Not so different when one looks at outcomes.He’s a sick puppy and megalomaniac, not the type of character who should get a nuke.
Some would say the same about Trump.
And that is exactly why Russia, China and others seek to circumvent and exclude the US in many ways from de-dollarisation to self sufficiency to new payment systems or trade between themselves. The aggressive US hegemony needs to be carefully dismantled. It's a work in progress that seems to be going quite well. Hence why the US is lashing out against North Korea, Russia, China and others.
Ahh yes, the resurrections.
Remember when he was alleged by western media to have bumped off his wife Ri Sol-ju?Quote from: Fake NewsSpeculation is growing over the whereabouts of North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un 's wife - who has not been seen in public for SEVEN months.
There are genuine, growing fears that she has fallen out of favour with the leader of the communist state and/or his family.......
..............But Kim Jong-un also has form for getting rid of those close to him if they fall out of favour.
Source (https://www.sde.co.ke/article/2000221760/fears-grow-as-wife-of-north-korean-dictator-kim-jong-un-missing).
Oh but then she appeared again making jokes about the speculation:QuoteSept. 21 (UPI) -- North Korea first lady Ri Sol Ju reportedly asked a South Korean magician visiting Pyongyang if he could "make her disappear" during the landmark inter-Korea summit this week, according to a South Korean press report.
Source (https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2018/09/21/Report-North-Koreas-Ri-Sol-Ju-jokes-to-magician-about-disappearing/3851537548898/).
Yep, another one not dead. :coffeeread:
News for Billy.
Another top Korean official has been 'unexecuted'. More people rise from the dead in North Korea than anywhere else in the world. In the Middle East, just one man rises from the dead and he starts a new religion. In North Korea, or at least U.S reporting of Korean affairs, it is almost tiresome in its routineness!
Another North Korean general rises from the dead: https://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/10/asia/north-korea-army-chief-ri-yong-gil-alive/index.html
Here's another one, this time the bloke who was supposed to have been executed after the talks went badly in Hanoi: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/05/31/report-north-korean-officials-execution-prompts-skepticism-concern-about-gaps-knowledge/?utm_term=.96aca27389d1
Billy, when will you cease the gullibility? When will you learn to question your programming?
Billy remember what you post remains here...... and I suggest ask somebody else to explain to you the tone and language you have used. Never mind don't give a F......
I will suggest you to take a good time off and read the USA history after the end of WWII till today.
Starting with the Korean war...... were nearly 5 million people died. More than half of these–about 10 percent of Korea's prewar population–were civilians. (This rate of civilian casualties was higher than World War II's and Vietnam's.) Almost 40,000 Americans died in action in Korea, and more than 100,000 were wounded.
... and then you continue with the Vietnam war.
In 1995 Vietnam released its official estimate of war dead: as many as 2 million civilians on both sides and some 1.1 million North Vietnamese and Viet Cong fighters. The U.S. military has estimated that between 200,000 and 250,000 South Vietnamese soldiers died in the war.
I will let you continue reading and learn the History of the USA after WWII till today, because the list is very long......"The United States has invaded about 200 nations and territories."
Just to be helpful here is a list: Historically, how many countries has the US invaded? (https://www.quora.com/Historically-how-many-countries-has-the-US-invaded)
also
These are all the countries the USA has invaded, in one map (https://www.indy100.com/article/usa-american-army-invasions-police-actions-overseas-dod-defense-war-troops-deployment-marines-7908611)
Ukraine has repeatedly chosen to seek closer ties with the West.
And that is exactly why Russia, China and others seek to circumvent and exclude the US in many ways from de-dollarisation to self sufficiency to new payment systems or trade between themselves. The aggressive US hegemony needs to be carefully dismantled. It's a work in progress that seems to be going quite well. Hence why the US is lashing out against North Korea, Russia, China and others.
Good luck to those nations in their new endeavors. Hopefully someday they would be trusted more than America so that other nations would adopt their currencies and invite their troops into their homes. I don't think their plan is going to work. They need to figure out how to build trust first.Ahh yes, the resurrections.
Remember when he was alleged by western media to have bumped off his wife Ri Sol-ju?Quote from: Fake NewsSpeculation is growing over the whereabouts of North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un 's wife - who has not been seen in public for SEVEN months.
There are genuine, growing fears that she has fallen out of favour with the leader of the communist state and/or his family.......
..............But Kim Jong-un also has form for getting rid of those close to him if they fall out of favour.
Source (https://www.sde.co.ke/article/2000221760/fears-grow-as-wife-of-north-korean-dictator-kim-jong-un-missing).
Oh but then she appeared again making jokes about the speculation:QuoteSept. 21 (UPI) -- North Korea first lady Ri Sol Ju reportedly asked a South Korean magician visiting Pyongyang if he could "make her disappear" during the landmark inter-Korea summit this week, according to a South Korean press report.
Source (https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2018/09/21/Report-North-Koreas-Ri-Sol-Ju-jokes-to-magician-about-disappearing/3851537548898/).
Yep, another one not dead. :coffeeread:
Nowhere in the article it claims Un wife was executed or dead. Just speculation there was marital problems or she was pregnant.News for Billy.
Another top Korean official has been 'unexecuted'. More people rise from the dead in North Korea than anywhere else in the world. In the Middle East, just one man rises from the dead and he starts a new religion. In North Korea, or at least U.S reporting of Korean affairs, it is almost tiresome in its routineness!
Another North Korean general rises from the dead: https://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/10/asia/north-korea-army-chief-ri-yong-gil-alive/index.html
Here's another one, this time the bloke who was supposed to have been executed after the talks went badly in Hanoi: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/05/31/report-north-korean-officials-execution-prompts-skepticism-concern-about-gaps-knowledge/?utm_term=.96aca27389d1
Billy, when will you cease the gullibility? When will you learn to question your programming?
I don't care about those guys. I asked you where is Un's uncle and half brother. Not everything in life is propaganda Andrew. I can believe mistakes in intelligence gathering happens but too many people do get executed, sent to hard labor or re-education camps and starve in N Korea and some here support the man in charge.Billy remember what you post remains here...... and I suggest ask somebody else to explain to you the tone and language you have used. Never mind don't give a F......
When you take a hostile tone with somebody, you need to expect a hostile reaction. That's life. And you wonder why America is upset with Iran and N Korea?I will suggest you to take a good time off and read the USA history after the end of WWII till today.
Starting with the Korean war...... were nearly 5 million people died. More than half of these–about 10 percent of Korea's prewar population–were civilians. (This rate of civilian casualties was higher than World War II's and Vietnam's.) Almost 40,000 Americans died in action in Korea, and more than 100,000 were wounded.
... and then you continue with the Vietnam war.
In 1995 Vietnam released its official estimate of war dead: as many as 2 million civilians on both sides and some 1.1 million North Vietnamese and Viet Cong fighters. The U.S. military has estimated that between 200,000 and 250,000 South Vietnamese soldiers died in the war.
I will let you continue reading and learn the History of the USA after WWII till today, because the list is very long......"The United States has invaded about 200 nations and territories."
Just to be helpful here is a list: Historically, how many countries has the US invaded? (https://www.quora.com/Historically-how-many-countries-has-the-US-invaded)
also
These are all the countries the USA has invaded, in one map (https://www.indy100.com/article/usa-american-army-invasions-police-actions-overseas-dod-defense-war-troops-deployment-marines-7908611)
After WWII, America was glad the war was over and wanted to relax. After all, we didn't want to participate in the war but came in late due to being bombed by Japan. The USSR remained active and went into Eastern Europe to spread influence. They supported their commie friends in China, Korea, and Vietnam. America was late to China but supported our friends in Korea and Vietnam. The communist side in China, Korea, and Vietnam went to war against those that didn't want Communism.
You're free to believe whatever history you want. I'm just glad America ended on top. Now China realizes our money is critical to their success. Vietnam is real friendly with us and wants to do business. South Korea is thriving and have a better standard of living than China and Vietnam since they were able to keep the Communists out.
Ukraine has repeatedly chosen to seek closer ties with the West.
Poland is similar in size to Ukraine in size, population, and in location. Ukraine watched Poland get out from Russia's foot and have a good standard of living with good income on par or better than the average Russian. Ukraine remained under Russia's foot and makes 3 times less than the average Russian. Most Ukrainians tried Russia and don't like it. Can't blame them for wanting a better life and desire to have closer ties to the West, like Poland did.
And that is exactly why Russia, China and others seek to circumvent and exclude the US in many ways from de-dollarisation to self sufficiency to new payment systems or trade between themselves. The aggressive US hegemony needs to be carefully dismantled. It's a work in progress that seems to be going quite well. Hence why the US is lashing out against North Korea, Russia, China and others.
Good luck to those nations in their new endeavors. Hopefully someday they would be trusted more than America so that other nations would adopt their currencies and invite their troops into their homes. I don't think their plan is going to work. They need to figure out how to build trust first.Ahh yes, the resurrections.
Remember when he was alleged by western media to have bumped off his wife Ri Sol-ju?Quote from: Fake NewsSpeculation is growing over the whereabouts of North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un 's wife - who has not been seen in public for SEVEN months.
There are genuine, growing fears that she has fallen out of favour with the leader of the communist state and/or his family.......
..............But Kim Jong-un also has form for getting rid of those close to him if they fall out of favour.
Source (https://www.sde.co.ke/article/2000221760/fears-grow-as-wife-of-north-korean-dictator-kim-jong-un-missing).
Oh but then she appeared again making jokes about the speculation:QuoteSept. 21 (UPI) -- North Korea first lady Ri Sol Ju reportedly asked a South Korean magician visiting Pyongyang if he could "make her disappear" during the landmark inter-Korea summit this week, according to a South Korean press report.
Source (https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2018/09/21/Report-North-Koreas-Ri-Sol-Ju-jokes-to-magician-about-disappearing/3851537548898/).
Yep, another one not dead. :coffeeread:
Nowhere in the article it claims Un wife was executed or dead. Just speculation there was marital problems or she was pregnant.News for Billy.
Another top Korean official has been 'unexecuted'. More people rise from the dead in North Korea than anywhere else in the world. In the Middle East, just one man rises from the dead and he starts a new religion. In North Korea, or at least U.S reporting of Korean affairs, it is almost tiresome in its routineness!
Another North Korean general rises from the dead: https://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/10/asia/north-korea-army-chief-ri-yong-gil-alive/index.html
Here's another one, this time the bloke who was supposed to have been executed after the talks went badly in Hanoi: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/05/31/report-north-korean-officials-execution-prompts-skepticism-concern-about-gaps-knowledge/?utm_term=.96aca27389d1
Billy, when will you cease the gullibility? When will you learn to question your programming?
I don't care about those guys. I asked you where is Un's uncle and half brother. Not everything in life is propaganda Andrew. I can believe mistakes in intelligence gathering happens but too many people do get executed, sent to hard labor or re-education camps and starve in N Korea and some here support the man in charge.Billy remember what you post remains here...... and I suggest ask somebody else to explain to you the tone and language you have used. Never mind don't give a F......
When you take a hostile tone with somebody, you need to expect a hostile reaction. That's life. And you wonder why America is upset with Iran and N Korea?I will suggest you to take a good time off and read the USA history after the end of WWII till today.
Starting with the Korean war...... were nearly 5 million people died. More than half of these–about 10 percent of Korea's prewar population–were civilians. (This rate of civilian casualties was higher than World War II's and Vietnam's.) Almost 40,000 Americans died in action in Korea, and more than 100,000 were wounded.
... and then you continue with the Vietnam war.
In 1995 Vietnam released its official estimate of war dead: as many as 2 million civilians on both sides and some 1.1 million North Vietnamese and Viet Cong fighters. The U.S. military has estimated that between 200,000 and 250,000 South Vietnamese soldiers died in the war.
I will let you continue reading and learn the History of the USA after WWII till today, because the list is very long......"The United States has invaded about 200 nations and territories."
Just to be helpful here is a list: Historically, how many countries has the US invaded? (https://www.quora.com/Historically-how-many-countries-has-the-US-invaded)
also
These are all the countries the USA has invaded, in one map (https://www.indy100.com/article/usa-american-army-invasions-police-actions-overseas-dod-defense-war-troops-deployment-marines-7908611)
After WWII, America was glad the war was over and wanted to relax. After all, we didn't want to participate in the war but came in late due to being bombed by Japan. The USSR remained active and went into Eastern Europe to spread influence. They supported their commie friends in China, Korea, and Vietnam. America was late to China but supported our friends in Korea and Vietnam. The communist side in China, Korea, and Vietnam went to war against those that didn't want Communism.
You're free to believe whatever history you want. I'm just glad America ended on top. Now China realizes our money is critical to their success. Vietnam is real friendly with us and wants to do business. South Korea is thriving and have a better standard of living than China and Vietnam since they were able to keep the Communists out.
Ukraine has repeatedly chosen to seek closer ties with the West.
Poland is similar in size to Ukraine in size, population, and in location. Ukrainian watch Poland get out from Russia's foot and have a good standard of living with good income on par or better than the average Russian. Ukraine remained under Russia's foot and makes 3 times less than the average Russian. Most Ukrainians tried Russia and don't like it. Can't blame them for wanting a better life and desire to have closer ties to the West, like Poland did.
I like going to interesting countries but one that starved it's citizens...?
Not on my wish list
There is actually quite a large and vibrant tourist industry that has sprung up. Departures are from Vladivostok or Beijing. I’m researching at the moment and will probably do it as a side trip while in China in a few months.
I’m thinking of maybe five days, quite a few firms do interesting trips. Starvation not required.
Look at the #NorthKorea on Instagram and it looks like the world and his wife are there already. Its heaving with Russians.
As with Russia or China, North Korea is no different in the respect that if you don’t do silly things nothing bad happens. With the propaganda that Americans are fed, I can see why it might be an eye-opening prospect for some over the pond.
I have no desire to be a propaganda tool
Unless on behalf of the BBC or the Guardian.
There fixed all the Anti-USA rubbish for you...Can you tell me one nation that relies on China and/or Russia and is doing well? Their problem isn't America.
Well, aside from China being the world's biggest economy itself (or second depending how you measure), it's a fact that any country that seeks to do much with either gets sanctioned by the UK Globalists who then leans on its cohorts (like the EU and the USA) to follow suit.
So what you are essentially saying is that UK Globalists bullying has often historically worked.
And that is exactly why Russia, China and others seek to circumvent and exclude the UK Globalists in many ways from de-dollarisation to self sufficiency to new payment systems or trade between themselves. The aggressive UK Globalists hegemony needs to be carefully dismantled. It's a work in progress that seems to be going quite well. Hence why the UK Globalists is lashing out against North Korea, Russia, China and others.
Russia prevented UK Globalists from stealing Crimea and gaining full control of Ukraine, Russia prevented UK Globalists from ousting and killing Assad, China (and NK's nukes) prevented UK Globalists from ousting and killing Un. UK Globalists are being boxed off each time you move to destroy another country. It's doubtful UK Globalists will be left alone to invade Venezuela either. Again, why UK Globalists are lashing out like a wounded dinosaur. Russia, China and even Kim with his nukes are preventing the animal from feeding. The world is hearing the howls of hunger........
Russia says something different.
Looks like more poor USAians are being misled again.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1135671/venezuela-crisis-vladimir-putin-news-russia-nicolas-maduro-washington-caracas-spt/amp
You poor misled, gullible, people.
Unlike you - do not take money for my opinion -
There is no way for I, or anyone else, to prove a negative, that a particular thing has not happened. However, there are some things we can know to be true:
1) North Korea employs the death penalty for certain crimes.
2) The United States employs the death penalty for certain crimes.
So during a future visit to China, I was contemplating a side visit to North Korea. It's not terribly expensive and for anyone interested, I thought I'd drop a link of the outfit I am looking at: https://www.uritours.com/tours/the-dprk-weekender-north-korea/
A multi visit Chinese visa and the ability to arrive in Beijing or Shanghai is needed.
Remember not to take any posters, pass out religious materials, or handle any controlled substances or you will be sorry. :chuckle:
Remember not to take any posters, pass out religious materials, or handle any controlled substances or you will be sorry. :chuckle:
True, although I hardly think Manny will be doing any of that. The one thing that comes to mind is having proper documentation for any prescription medications one might be traveling with, but I'm sure he knows that.
Personally, you can count me out for any visitation there… too many 'ghost stories.' :laugh:
Not pointing fingers here but the reactions between people from certain countries is interesting.
Europeans/Brits tend to be curious and open to visiting Korea. The US boys are far more cynical.
I wonder, is that down to media hype and bogey man stories in your press, or are you just concerned that karma might catch up with you, after what you boys did to the Koreans earlier this century? ;D
I wonder, is that down to media hype and bogey man stories
in your press, or are you just concerned that karma might catch up with you, after what you boys did to the Koreans earlier this century? ;D
Do they have nice malls, museums, restaurants, theaters and the like to visit? I mean I figure they must have something, but probably not anything I'd be interested in.
Pueblo, still held by North Korea today, officially remains a commissioned vessel of the United States Navy. Since early 2013, the ship has been moored along the Potong River in Pyongyang, and used there as a museum ship at the Pyongyang Victorious War Museum. Pueblo is the only ship of the U.S. Navy still on the commissioned roster currently being held captive.
Europeans/Brits tend to be curious and open to visiting Korea. The US boys are far more cynical.
I wonder, is that down to media hype and bogey man stories in your press, or are you just concerned that karma might catch up with you, after what you boys did to the Koreans earlier this century? ;D
Our friends over the pond are generally cautious about anywhere they think of as the "enemy" - why they go bint hunting in Ukraine instead of Russia, why they are scared or NK or China. The prospect of visas seems to perplex them too. As a nation, they're not great travellers; as you know so few of them even have a passport.
Our friends over the pond are generally cautious about anywhere they think of as the "enemy" - why they go bint hunting in Ukraine instead of Russia, why they are scared or NK or China. The prospect of visas seems to perplex them too. As a nation, they're not great travellers; as you know so few of them even have a passport.
Not pointing fingers here but the reactions between people from certain countries is interesting.
Europeans/Brits tend to be curious and open to visiting Korea. The US boys are far more cynical.
I wonder, is that down to media hype and bogey man stories in your press, or are you just concerned that karma might catch up with you, after what you boys did to the Koreans earlier this century? ;D
I wonder, is that down to media hype and bogey man stories
in your press, or are you just concerned that karma might catch up with you, after what you boys did to the Koreans earlier this century? ;D
My Dad is 79 years old but he was 10 when the Korean war
started and 13 when it was over. I would be interested in
seeing Angkor Wat in Cambodia and Americans fought
there in my lifetime.
There are plenty of bogey man stories for sure. My brother was
in the Army and spent two tours in Korea, his bogey man stories sounded pretty credible to me.
If I was going to go on a holiday/vacation, I would be far more
interested in going to Seoul than Pyongyang. Am I curious? Sure
I am, but curious enough to load up the family spend 16+ hours
to get there when I haven't seen the Pyramids or Machu Picchu
yet?
There are at least 50 places I would really, really like to see
before I start feeding the worms and Pyongyang doesn't
crack the top 50.
Lastly, we Americans are somewhat restricted from traveling
to certain places and North Korea is one of those places.
We have to get a special validation
https://koryogroup.com/blog/can-us-citizens-travel-to-north-korea
Our friends over the pond are generally cautious about anywhere they think of as the "enemy" - why they go bint hunting in Ukraine instead of Russia, why they are scared or NK or China. The prospect of visas seems to perplex them too. As a nation, they're not great travellers; as you know so few of them even have a passport.
Most of the Americans in this forum have passports, and that's who
your talking to. I've personally been to Russia and married a girl from
there. Fear about travel to China? I haven't heard that one before,
is it new?
I'm not sure why you need to do your occasional American bashing.
I don't like following up with my version of UK bashing, since it lumps
in a bunch of guys that I like around here.
Our friends over the pond are generally cautious about anywhere they think of as the "enemy" - why they go bint hunting in Ukraine instead of Russia, why they are scared or NK or China. The prospect of visas seems to perplex them too. As a nation, they're not great travellers; as you know so few of them even have a passport.
Most of the Americans in this forum have passports, and that's who
your talking to. I've personally been to Russia and married a girl from
there. Fear about travel to China? I haven't heard that one before,
is it new?
I'm not sure why you need to do your occasional American bashing.
I don't like following up with my version of UK bashing, since it lumps
in a bunch of guys that I like around here.
This particular member has worked in 18 different countries plus visited another dozen or so.
Our friends over the pond are generally cautious about anywhere they think of as the "enemy" - why they go bint hunting in Ukraine instead of Russia, why they are scared or NK or China. The prospect of visas seems to perplex them too. As a nation, they're not great travellers; as you know so few of them even have a passport.
Most of the Americans on this forum have passports, and that's who
your talking to.
I'm not sure why you need to do your occasional American bashing.
I don't like following up with my version of UK bashing, since it lumps
in a bunch of guys that I like around here.
1/ YOU are on record moaning about getting a RU visa from the UK..
2/ Nations - whose govts are setting off conflicts in their neighbours and issuing passports to citizens of those states (and posioning their citizens on UK soil ) are not 'friendly' acts ..
Many Brits think travelling to Spain and getting pissed out of their tiny minds and coming back with Tats is the epitomy of overseas travel..
No doubt you can move this to my 'Russophobe' thread - lest too many of our cousins might read this ;)
Do they have nice malls, museums, restaurants, theaters and the like to visit? I mean I figure they must have something, but probably not anything I'd be interested in.
They have a captured American navy ship and a US plane they shot down in a museum people can gawp at. :chuckle:QuotePueblo, still held by North Korea today, officially remains a commissioned vessel of the United States Navy. Since early 2013, the ship has been moored along the Potong River in Pyongyang, and used there as a museum ship at the Pyongyang Victorious War Museum. Pueblo is the only ship of the U.S. Navy still on the commissioned roster currently being held captive.
There's actually quite a lot to see there for those interested in political history.
If I was going to go on a holiday/vacation, I would be far more
interested in going to Seoul than Pyongyang. Am I curious? Sure
I am, but curious enough to load up the family spend 16+ hours
to get there when I haven't seen the Pyramids or Machu Picchu
yet?
There are at least 50 places I would really, really like to see
before I start feeding the worms and Pyongyang doesn't
crack the top 50.
It would be interesting to see some tourist literature about North Korea. For instance, what are the hotels like? I don't suppose you might find a Four Seasons over there…? :ROFL:
Our friends over the pond are generally cautious about anywhere they think of as the "enemy" - why they go bint hunting in Ukraine instead of Russia, why they are scared or NK or China. The prospect of visas seems to perplex them too. As a nation, they're not great travellers; as you know so few of them even have a passport.
Most of the Americans in this forum have passports, and that's who
your talking to. I've personally been to Russia and married a girl from
there. Fear about travel to China? I haven't heard that one before,
is it new?
I'm not sure why you need to do your occasional American bashing.
I don't like following up with my version of UK bashing, since it lumps
in a bunch of guys that I like around here.
This particular member has worked in 18 different countries plus visited another dozen or so.
How does someone manage to work in 18 different countries?
Our friends over the pond are generally cautious about anywhere they think of as the "enemy" - why they go bint hunting in Ukraine instead of Russia, why they are scared or NK or China. The prospect of visas seems to perplex them too. As a nation, they're not great travellers; as you know so few of them even have a passport.
Most of the Americans in this forum have passports, and that's who
your talking to. I've personally been to Russia and married a girl from
there. Fear about travel to China? I haven't heard that one before,
is it new?
I'm not sure why you need to do your occasional American bashing.
I don't like following up with my version of UK bashing, since it lumps
in a bunch of guys that I like around here.
This particular member has worked in 18 different countries plus visited another dozen or so.
How does someone manage to work in 18 different countries?
One travels to the country, one does some work, one leaves the country. I only lived in 4 of the countries.
It would be interesting to see some tourist literature about North Korea. For instance, what are the hotels like? I don't suppose you might find a Four Seasons over there…? :ROFL:
From my research, I'll be staying in the Koryo:
It would be interesting to see some tourist literature about North Korea. For instance, what are the hotels like? I don't suppose you might find a Four Seasons over there…? :ROFL:
From my research, I'll be staying in the Koryo:
Are you trying to up the post count with this ?..
Our friends over the pond are generally cautious about anywhere they think of as the "enemy" - why they go bint hunting in Ukraine instead of Russia, why they are scared or NK or China. The prospect of visas seems to perplex them too. As a nation, they're not great travellers; as you know so few of them even have a passport.
1/ YOU are on record moaning about getting a RU visa from the UK..
2/ Nations - whose govts are setting off conflicts in their neighbours and issuing passports to citizens of those states (and posioning their citizens on UK soil ) are not 'friendly' acts ..
Many Brits think travelling to Spain and getting pissed out of their tiny minds and coming back with Tats is the epitomy of overseas travel.. I'd not be too quick to mock other nations
No doubt you can move this to my 'Russophobe' thread - lest too many of our cousins might read this ;)
Not pointing fingers here but the reactions between people from certain countries is interesting.
Europeans/Brits tend to be curious and open to visiting Korea. The US boys are far more cynical.
I wonder, is that down to media hype and bogey man stories in your press, or are you just concerned that karma might catch up with you, after what you boys did to the Koreans earlier this century? ;D
What did we do, other than liberate half a continent from a murderous regime that starves it’s own citizens to death and “re-educates” free thinkers?
And what is this “you boys”? The UK, Canada, Australia and NZ were part of that action.
Not pointing fingers huh? Perhaps those who give much needed foreign currency to such a regime should consider what they are supporting.
His experience being limited to killing as many Communists, mostly Chinese as possible. Of course he hardly was likely to have positive personal interactions with them.
Guests are not allowed to step off of the property and go explore the city.
Well you have yourself a nice stay at the ping-pong inn and don't forget to bow to their statues. :)
Guests are not allowed to step off of the property and go explore the city.
Sure you can - with your guide, to places open to tourists. Its kinda part of the experience, yknow? :prophead:Well you have yourself a nice stay at the ping-pong inn and don't forget to bow to their statues. :)
There are two you must take flowers to and dress formally. I'm undecided on a tour operator yet, of the many that exist, these seem the better ones for me:
https://www.youngpioneertours.com/
https://www.juchetravelservices.com/
https://www.uritours.com/
For anyone generally interested in the subject, I'd suggest following the #northkorea hashtag on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/northkorea/) for photos and links to blogs etc from those who have been. Although it is a little polluted by Trump spam memes at the moment as he stepped five paces in there from the DMZ recently. (:)
His experience being limited to killing as many Communists, mostly Chinese as possible. Of course he hardly was likely to have positive personal interactions with them.
FTFY
His experience being limited to killing as many Communists, mostly Chinese as possible. Of course he hardly was likely to have positive personal interactions with them.
FTFY
That's fixed only if you are trying to put words into my mouth that there's no evidence to support. Tell us oh stupid 'expert' which of my words in my post above were not true?
If you want to 'fix something' do some learning and post something cogent in your own words. For example, please tell us how Mr. Caine came to be fighting Chinse soldiers and not Koreans and just how it was that he was able to form the personal relationships with his Korean adversaries that might give him the impression he said he had? I am especially keen to learn where Mr. Caine learned to speak the fluent Korean he would have used to communicate and make such conclusions.
Really, many of you poor Americans are so bloody stupid that it can be hard to take you at all seriously.
Fear about travel to China? I haven't heard that one before,
is it new?
I'm not sure why you need to do your occasional American bashing.
I don't like following up with my version of UK bashing, since it lumps
in a bunch of guys that I like around here.
Gee let me think about this. Visit a drab Communist country or go to a paradise like Hawaii, Fiji, Tahiti, etc
Anywhere on the California Coast. Lake Tahoe, Reno, Las Vegas....
Such a tough decision! :laugh:
Oh, look who’s come along to argue, derail and disagree with everything. :rolleye0009:
Why isn't Libya or Iraq, Iran on the list of "fascinating" places to visit?
I wouldn't go to N.Korea if someone gave me an all expenses "luxury" trip there on first class.... I might be coming home in a body bag like that doofus Otto who stupidly decided to steal something there.
And you are interested in a dictator country where the leader kills even his close relatives for "treason"?
I'd rather go visit Macau and gamble and have fun anyday.
The intelligent observers will trust combat veterans with experience over an annoying and boorish propagandist who a few months ago was so obese he couldn’t even wipe his ass. The same buffoon were never in Ukraine either but fancies himself an expert.
Macau and Pyongyang are chalk and cheese through aren't they? But then again so are Hong Kong and Shenzhen - but they are a few train stops apart.
As it goes, I was in the Bank of China queue in the Canton Fair last year and I got talking to a Mongolian girl who had a bunch of Macau Dollars she wanted to change for RMB. We had a good chat. And that unique sort of experience is one of many reasons why I want to go to North Korea.....
Most people in the world are very accepting and a bit curious, so foreigners can be a novelty.
North Korea could be a great country to visit as long as you respect the laws and customs.
Goes the same for most any country
The intelligent observers will trust combat veterans with experience over an annoying and boorish propagandist who a few months ago was so obese he couldn’t even wipe his ass. The same buffoon were never in Ukraine either but fancies himself an expert.
What are you talking about? Did you change your meds or something?
Stop rambling and get help.
If you stopped taking your meds then get back on them. You might think you are OK, but you are not.
One thing nice about this forum is how everyone is always worried whether everyone else is taking their meds :chuckle:
Ahh, we are such a close, caring group here, aren't we? :chuckle:
As a nation, they're not great travellers; as you know so few of them even have a passport.
Why isn't Libya or Iraq, Iran on the list of "fascinating" places to visit?
Many of them 'come back to life' six months later. Most of those tales are fake western media.
His experience being limited to killing as many Communists, mostly Chinese as possible. Of course he hardly was likely to have positive personal interactions with them.
FTFY
That's fixed only if you are trying to put words into my mouth that there's no evidence to support. Tell us oh stupid 'expert' which of my words in my post above were not true?
If you want to 'fix something' do some learning and post something cogent in your own words. For example, please tell us how Mr. Caine came to be fighting Chinse soldiers and not Koreans and just how it was that he was able to form the personal relationships with his Korean adversaries that might give him the impression he said he had? I am especially keen to learn where Mr. Caine learned to speak the fluent Korean he would have used to communicate and make such conclusions.
Really, many of you poor Americans are so bloody stupid that it can be hard to take you at all seriously.
From my research, I'll be staying in the Koryo:
QuoteAs a nation, they're not great travellers; as you know so few of them even have a passport.
Did you realize that a 2015 law (the "FAST" Act) will nullify your passport renewal if you are tax scofflaw? The State Dept. will be alerted to cancel passports by the IRS. :money: :evilgrin0002: tiphat
It would be interesting to see some tourist literature about North Korea. For instance, what are the hotels like? I don't suppose you might find a Four Seasons over there…? :ROFL:
You love posting and quipping about snaggle toothed Brits and you know it. :chuckle:
From my research, I'll be staying in the Koryo:
Interesting to see the escalators turned off and when the receptionist see the guy filming, she rushes to go do something. Seconds later the guy turns the video camera around and the escalators are turned on. The guy filming made many videos and he says almost everything in NK is scripted.
https://carbuzz.com/news/a-north-korean-car-dealership-is-the-creepiest-place-on-earth
I remember when I first started this international dating quest I told myself I would never go to Russia. All those years of propaganda I believed Russia was way too risky and dangerous.
But on my first trip to Russia I took my two young daughters along. Never once did I have any worries.
Most people in the world are very accepting and a bit curious, so foreigners can be a
novelty.
You love posting and quipping about snaggle toothed Brits and you know it. :chuckle:
And the food and the balmy beaches!
From my research, I'll be staying in the Koryo:
Interesting to see the escalators turned off and when the receptionist see the guy filming, she rushes to go do something. Seconds later the guy turns the video camera around and the escalators are turned on. The guy filming made many videos and he says almost everything in NK is scripted.
https://carbuzz.com/news/a-north-korean-car-dealership-is-the-creepiest-place-on-earth
You love posting and quipping about snaggle toothed Brits and you know it. :chuckle:And the food and the balmy beaches!
1/ Food.. The US with FIVE times the UK's population has less then three times the number of top rated Restaurants..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Michelin_3-star_restaurants (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Michelin_3-star_restaurants)
2/ Balmy beaches ... Steveboy came the wrong time ,,,
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Always glad to help with misconceptions, Beel ! ;)
Instead, North Korean state TV showed Kim leading the four-day Workers’ Party meeting, with the stentorian narration that has long accompanied the regime’s biggest propaganda moments. Kim had delivered a televised address every year since 2013 and speculation was building for months about what he might say hours after the expiration of his year-end deadline for U.S. President Donald Trump to ease up on sanctions.
He said that the U.S. labeled our state as its enemy, "axis of evil" and "target of its preemptive nuclear strike" and applied the most brutal and inhuman sanctions against and posed the persistent nuclear threat to the latter over the past seven decades, and the current situation on the Korean peninsula is getting more dangerous and reaching serious phase, owing to the former's hostile policy towards the latter.
In the past two years alone when the DPRK took preemptive and crucial measures of halting its nuclear test and ICBM test-fire and shutting down the nuclear-test ground for building confidence between the DPRK and the U.S., the U.S., far from responding to the former with appropriate measures, conducted tens of big and small joint military drills which its president personally promised to stop and threatened the former militarily through the shipment of ultra-modern warfare equipment into south Korea, he said. The U.S. also took more than ten independent sanctions measures only to show before the world once again that it remained unchanged in its ambition to stifle the former, he said.
He stressed that under such condition, there is no ground for us to get unilaterally bound to the commitment any longer, the commitment to which there is no opposite party, and this is chilling our efforts for worldwide nuclear disarmament and non-proliferation.
Saying that we should more actively push forward the project for developing strategic weapons, he confirmed that the world will witness a new strategic weapon to be possessed by the DPRK in the near future, declaring that we can not give up the security of our future just for the visible economic results and happiness and comfort in reality now that hostile acts and nuclear threat against us are increasing and nothing has changed between the days when we maintained the line of simultaneously pushing forward the economic construction and the building of nuclear force and now when we struggle to direct our efforts to the economic construction owing to the U.S. gangster-like acts.
He solemnly declared that there is no need to hesitate with any expectation of the U.S. lift of sanctions even now that we had close look into the real intention of the U.S., adding if the U.S. persists in its hostile policy towards the DPRK, there will never be the denuclearization on the Korean peninsula and the DPRK will steadily develop necessary and prerequisite strategic weapons for the security of the state until the U.S. rolls back its hostile policy towards the DPRK and lasting and durable peace-keeping mechanism is built.
The new year’s event was the latest example of Kim’s efforts to paint himself as a versatile leader, from handshake photo-ops with Trump to rides on horseback across the snowy slopes of the sacred Mt. Paektu. A year ago, when diplomacy between Kim and Trump looked more promising, the North Korean leader ditched the formalities of a podium and microphone bank to deliver his new year’s address from a plush leather chair in front of a wooden mantelpiece, like a fireside chat.
I pointed out Manny is a now useful idiot to two nations who either have a dynasty that are a dictatorship or one that makes a mockery of free elections ....
No he just has to post in every thread.I pointed out Manny is a now useful idiot to two nations who either have a dynasty that are a dictatorship or one that makes a mockery of free elections ....
Is there something specific you’d like to discuss? Something useful you’d like to add?
As I've recently took an interest in North Korea (http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,28510.msg501672.html#msg501672), having just watched Putin's New year address, I thought I'd look up Kim Jong-un's version.
This year he didn't do a traditional address, instead, to quote Bloomberg:Quote from: BloombergInstead, North Korean state TV showed Kim leading the four-day Workers’ Party meeting, with the stentorian narration that has long accompanied the regime’s biggest propaganda moments. Kim had delivered a televised address every year since 2013 and speculation was building for months about what he might say hours after the expiration of his year-end deadline for U.S. President Donald Trump to ease up on sanctions.
You can sift through the text >>here<< (https://kcnawatch.org/newstream/1577829999-473709661/report-on-5th-plenary-meeting-of-7th-c-c-wpk/) if you like, but here are some takeaways:Quote from: Kim Jong unHe said that the U.S. labeled our state as its enemy, "axis of evil" and "target of its preemptive nuclear strike" and applied the most brutal and inhuman sanctions against and posed the persistent nuclear threat to the latter over the past seven decades, and the current situation on the Korean peninsula is getting more dangerous and reaching serious phase, owing to the former's hostile policy towards the latter.
In the past two years alone when the DPRK took preemptive and crucial measures of halting its nuclear test and ICBM test-fire and shutting down the nuclear-test ground for building confidence between the DPRK and the U.S., the U.S., far from responding to the former with appropriate measures, conducted tens of big and small joint military drills which its president personally promised to stop and threatened the former militarily through the shipment of ultra-modern warfare equipment into south Korea, he said. The U.S. also took more than ten independent sanctions measures only to show before the world once again that it remained unchanged in its ambition to stifle the former, he said.
He stressed that under such condition, there is no ground for us to get unilaterally bound to the commitment any longer, the commitment to which there is no opposite party, and this is chilling our efforts for worldwide nuclear disarmament and non-proliferation.Quote from: Kim Jong unSaying that we should more actively push forward the project for developing strategic weapons, he confirmed that the world will witness a new strategic weapon to be possessed by the DPRK in the near future, declaring that we can not give up the security of our future just for the visible economic results and happiness and comfort in reality now that hostile acts and nuclear threat against us are increasing and nothing has changed between the days when we maintained the line of simultaneously pushing forward the economic construction and the building of nuclear force and now when we struggle to direct our efforts to the economic construction owing to the U.S. gangster-like acts.
He solemnly declared that there is no need to hesitate with any expectation of the U.S. lift of sanctions even now that we had close look into the real intention of the U.S., adding if the U.S. persists in its hostile policy towards the DPRK, there will never be the denuclearization on the Korean peninsula and the DPRK will steadily develop necessary and prerequisite strategic weapons for the security of the state until the U.S. rolls back its hostile policy towards the DPRK and lasting and durable peace-keeping mechanism is built.
Bloomberg's summary which you can read >>here<< (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-01/kim-jong-un-keeps-world-guessing-with-new-year-s-speech-surprise) concluded:Quote from: BloombergThe new year’s event was the latest example of Kim’s efforts to paint himself as a versatile leader, from handshake photo-ops with Trump to rides on horseback across the snowy slopes of the sacred Mt. Paektu. A year ago, when diplomacy between Kim and Trump looked more promising, the North Korean leader ditched the formalities of a podium and microphone bank to deliver his new year’s address from a plush leather chair in front of a wooden mantelpiece, like a fireside chat.
CNN are claiming Kim Jong-un is in a coma following heart surgery.
An overview without the western media hysteria here:
https://www.rt.com/news/486390-kim-north-korea-surgery-cnn/
An overview without the western media hysteria here:
https://www.rt.com/news/486390-kim-north-korea-surgery-cnn/
One more link in Russian, shall someone care... :reading:
https://lenta.ru/brief/2020/04/22/kim_jong_healthy/
Although a little overweight and a heavy smoker, he's only 36 years young. His father died at age 70. His grandfather died at age 82. I don't know about his mother side if her family had a history of heart problems. Kim recently missing out honoring his father and grandfather was odd. Kim has put his sister in a lot of leadership roles but I would think Kim would want his son to be future leader. If he had heart surgery, I'm sure he had a plan in case he didn't make it. Whether seasoned leaders in the party would honor his wishes or not is anybody's guess.
Other unconfirmed reports, attributed to senior party sources in Beijing, said an operation to insert a stent went wrong because the surgeon’s hands were shaking so badly.
Olga, the video showed Kim Jong Un having sex with a nuke bomb doggy style.:nod:
Are those responsible for making that video still alive?Alive and doing well. Even nominated to represent Russia at Eurovision (which was, unfortunately, cancelled due to the coronavirus...).
QuoteOther unconfirmed reports, attributed to senior party sources in Beijing, said an operation to insert a stent went wrong because the surgeon’s hands were shaking so badly.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/kim-jong-un-in-vegetative-state-japanese-media-report-says-2020-04-25
Oops. :duh: (:)
Never depend on a medical professional when your life is on the line. tiphat :biggrin: :snivel: :scared0005: :sick0012: :GRAVE: :pointlaugh:
It's hard for a doctor to stay focused when there are guards pointing guns at his head.
https://www.rt.com/news/486905-kim-train-letter-health/
So, reading between the lines, it seems he may have had a procedure, is now recovering and avoiding the virus by chilling at the coast and isn’t dead.
The Guardian (often fake news)
If his train has recently arrived there, it’s a pretty fair bet he was on it.
If his train has recently arrived there, it’s a pretty fair bet he was on it.
It's a fair bet he was on the train although his body was nowhere in site? And I'm the one talking propaganda? This is the time North Korea should be taking photos of Kim Jong Un but instead it is reported he writes letters to workers and World leaders.
Why the games? Presidents Ronald Reagan and JFK got shot, so it's reported. A President goes in for surgery, it gets reported. Boris Johnson gets coronavirus, it gets reported and everybody wishes him well!
For some reason the Communist Party thinks being in the hospital is a sign of weakness. They should've never promoted Kim Jong Un as a God to begin with and there wouldn't be a need for games.
(imagine the US chose that moment to invade again?).
(They dont give a rats arse what anyone abroad thinks.
(They dont give a rats arse what anyone abroad thinks.
Yeah they do. It's why they are behaving strangely and aren't letting anybody know what's going on. So they should expect rumors and ridicule which is well deserved. It's not Korean culture, it's Communist culture. In South Korea, if a President commits suicide, it gets reported. There's no hiding death or even hiding the embarrassing way a leader died.
Based on the few Korean people I have met they are hyper sensitive of how foreigners perceive their nation. I suspect it is a more Asian trait but the few people I know from the Phillipines really do not care. So not really sure if it nationality or ethnicity thing
They dont give a rats arse what anyone abroad thinks.Yeah they do. It's why they are behaving strangely and aren't letting anybody know what's going on. So they should expect rumors and ridicule which is well deserved. It's not Korean culture, it's Communist culture.
In South Korea, if a President commits suicide, it gets reported. There's no hiding death or even hiding the embarrassing way a leader died.
Based on the few Korean people I have met they are hyper sensitive of how foreigners perceive there nation. I suspect it is a more Asian trait but the few people I know from the Phillipines really do not care. So not really sure if it nationality or ethnicity thing.
What obligation do they have to let anybody know what is going on?
Since when is minding your own business behaving strangely?
Why should they care about rumours and ridicule from abroad?
Those three concepts are completely irrelevant there.
South Korea is an occupied client state of the US. Not really the same thing.
South Korea is an occupied client state of the US. Not really the same thing.
Why don't you go to South Korea and learn something about it before you make all these very crazy statements. Why don't you go the museums that show the war crimes of the north and China? There is another complete other side of this. If you knew anything about South Korea it is less occupied than the UK is by the USA and has a standard of living as high. We have forces in the UK also. Out largest force in all of Europe next to Germany. Germany is another occupied country by the USA that is more occupied than South Korea if you count the amount of influence we have over the government. South Korea is a democracy and its people really vote not like the fake elections in Russia where you can vote for the Putin selected candidate of your choice.
South Korea is an occupied client state of the US. Not really the same thing.
Why don't you go to South Korea and learn something about it before you make all these very crazy statements. Why don't you go the museums that show the war crimes of the north and China? There is another complete other side of this. If you knew anything about South Korea it is less occupied than the UK is by the USA and has a standard of living as high. We have forces in the UK also. Out largest force in all of Europe next to Germany. Germany is another occupied country by the USA that is more occupied than South Korea if you count the amount of influence we have over the government. South Korea is a democracy and its people really vote not like the fake elections in Russia where you can vote for the Putin selected candidate of your choice.
There goes the neighborhood!
Now we will get some Wiz diatribe about we started a War, if we are lucky only going back to the War in 1776, perhaps earlier though. Than ms will tell us he knows a friend who was there, after that Confederate will say it is a conspiracy from little green and yellow chaps who manipulate banks.
Manny will crack open a good red, Andrew will wonder why no one can understand what they read and Rosco will attempt to explain to ms that it was not possible what he states. LoyalMan will blame a bunch of slant eyed yellow people who have embraced Nazism. In the end Cuffy will drop a mega screed.
Shakes, B.B. And Chris will polish up the shit and another week will have started.
Did I miss anyone?
South Korea is an occupied client state of the US. Not really the same thing.
Why don't you go to South Korea and learn something about it before you make all these very crazy statements. Why don't you go the museums that show the war crimes of the north and China? There is another complete other side of this. If you knew anything about South Korea it is less occupied than the UK is by the USA and has a standard of living as high. We have forces in the UK also. Out largest force in all of Europe next to Germany. Germany is another occupied country by the USA that is more occupied than South Korea if you count the amount of influence we have over the government. South Korea is a democracy and its people really vote not like the fake elections in Russia where you can vote for the Putin selected candidate of your choice.
There goes the neighborhood!
Now we will get some Wiz diatribe about we started a War, if we are lucky only going back to the War in 1776, perhaps earlier though. Than ms will tell us he knows a friend who was there, after that Confederate will say it is a conspiracy from little green and yellow chaps who manipulate banks.
Manny will crack open a good red, Andrew will wonder why no one can understand what they read and Rosco will attempt to explain to ms that it was not possible what he states. LoyalMan will blame a bunch of slant eyed yellow people who have embraced Nazism. In the end Cuffy will drop a mega screed.
Shakes, B.B. And Chris will polish up the shit and another week will have started.
Did I miss anyone?
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :thumbsup:
South Korea it is less occupied than the UK is by the USA and has a standard of living as high.
South Korea is an occupied client state of the US. Not really the same thing.
Why don't you go to South Korea and learn something about it before you make all these very crazy statements. Why don't you go the museums.....
What obligation do they have to let anybody know what is going on?You think it's nobody's business when it's actually everybody's business. If somebody wants to get on stage and be a world leader, they need to remain on the stage at all times.
Since when is minding your own business behaving strangely?
Why should they care about rumours and ridicule from abroad?
Those three concepts are completely irrelevant there.
There's not enough US troops in South Korea to effectively invade North Korea.
South Korea is not interested in reunification by force either.
You think the intimate details of the life of any leader should me made available for consumption by foreigners. I disagree.
The concept of reunification by force is something I believe you have just made up. There is no suggestion of this from either side
If he is sick they won't trumpet it in their media (imagine the US chose that moment to invade again?).
I’d say standing at the DMZ looking at US soldiers manning the border with South Korea is kinda learning something. I also went to the Victorious Fatherland Liberation War Museum.
I’d say standing at the DMZ looking at US soldiers manning the border with South Korea is kinda learning something. I also went to the Victorious Fatherland Liberation War Museum.
Yes you took the propaganda tour and want to the propaganda museum. So what. You only went there to build you belief the USA is bad and so you got your money worth. South Korea pay us for those troop and maintain more control over them than what the Uk has over USA troops there. Recently when trump wanted to use Korea for USA military aircraft the request was deigned and we had to use bases elsewhere. They are not occupied and it is not a government that we control. These troops stay near the border to deter North Korea from attacking. North Korea could get rid of the troops easily by ending the war and recognizing the south. North Korea goal is to unify with the south by destroying it. Standing on the border looking at US troops did not teach you anything. Everyone know they are there. Not exactly a state secrete like Russian troops in Lugansk.
Billy, do you believe what you write, or do you go a bit 'Mystic Moby' and make stuff up just for fun.
If North Korea were to have launched missiles at South Korea then you can be certain that the frozen conflict would have heated up very fast. The conflict is still frozen, ergo, no missiles fired at South Korea.
By the look of it, you’ve done your own wee propaganda tour yourself. :coffeeread:
Billy, do you believe what you write, or do you go a bit 'Mystic Moby' and make stuff up just for fun.
If North Korea were to have launched missiles at South Korea then you can be certain that the frozen conflict would have heated up very fast. The conflict is still frozen, ergo, no missiles fired at South Korea.
You continue to prove you live in a bubble and make stuff up. You'd be great for a propaganda machine since you like to erase and change history. Were you part of the team that erased Kim Jong Un's uncle from all historic photographs and videos and made his aunt disappear from public eye for 6 years? There's lots of propaganda going on in the world. There's a reason North Korea doesn't have many friends. Are the intelligent leaders of most nations in the World wrong? You don't 'get it'. It seems you like to side with the losers every time. See if the below articles refresh your deteriorating memory.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/8156067/Death-toll-rises-after-North-Koreas-missile-attack-on-South-Korea.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-11818005
North Korea goal is to unify with the south by destroying it.
I had a Vietnamese wife for twenty two years.
By the look of it, you’ve done your own wee propaganda tour yourself. :coffeeread:
Rocco I had a Vietnamese wife for twenty two years. We had south Korea friends. What is your source of insight. RT fake news?
North Korea goal is to unify with the south by destroying it.
The circumstances of who fired first there are disputed. IIRC (from their war museum), the North Koreans say the first shot was fired by a US ship that was on manoeuvres with the South Koreans, and possibly in error. The North responded. That there is dispute is noted in the articles you posted. Also, that is a small island, and the missiles were on a military installation not the South Korean mainland. You were disingenuous to imply the North fires on the South routinely.
The circumstances of who fired first there are disputed. IIRC (from their war museum), the North Koreans say the first shot was fired by a US ship that was on manoeuvres with the South Koreans, and possibly in error. The North responded. That there is dispute is noted in the articles you posted. Also, that is a small island, and the missiles were on a military installation not the South Korean mainland. You were disingenuous to imply the North fires on the South routinely.
History is almost always disputed between nations that aren't getting along. Who's telling the truth? Some nations are trusted more than others. North Korea is not in that group.
Manny you realize that cuts both ways, not everyone has your views of the USAThe circumstances of who fired first there are disputed. IIRC (from their war museum), the North Koreans say the first shot was fired by a US ship that was on manoeuvres with the South Koreans, and possibly in error. The North responded. That there is dispute is noted in the articles you posted. Also, that is a small island, and the missiles were on a military installation not the South Korean mainland. You were disingenuous to imply the North fires on the South routinely.
History is almost always disputed between nations that aren't getting along. Who's telling the truth? Some nations are trusted more than others. North Korea is not in that group.
Trusted by whom? You have your US rose coloured glasses on again. You'll be telling us about US exceptionalism in a minute. :sick0012:
Some nations are trusted more than others, indeed. All the countries that the US has destroyed might not be too trusting of Uncle Sam. Likewise, all the countries that the DPRK has good relations with will be likely to trust them. The DPRK has good relations with China, Russia, much of Asia, much of South America and more than one or two friends in the EU. In actual fact, they have good relations with more of the planet than the US I'd suggest.
Remember, not everyone shares the views of the US. Those that dont agree with you are not 'wrong', they merely hold a different opinion.
I remember a Dutch government news broadcast (on Dutch 1, the gov't channel), that had president Mark Rutte say:
Remember, not everyone shares the views of the US. Those that dont agree with you are not 'wrong', they merely hold a different opinion.
I remember a Dutch government news broadcast (on Dutch 1, the gov't channel), that had president Mark Rutte say:
Remember, not everyone shares the views of the US. Those that dont agree with you are not 'wrong', they merely hold a different opinion.
- Now that Trump is at the helm, perhaps we should work out scenarios where the USA isn't our friend.
I don't remember the exact date, but it was with Trump about 1 year in office.
Noteworthy. Of course he quickly mitigated the exact words, amended them to do a 180 later, but it was said, out loud on national TV.
it is the north that want to attack the south.
I remember a Dutch government news broadcast (on Dutch 1, the gov't channel), that had president Mark Rutte say:
- Now that Trump is at the helm, perhaps we should work out scenarios where the USA isn't our friend.
it is the north that want to attack the south.
Why are you repeating this lie again after being corrected above several times?
The USA is posed to have a manufacturing rebirth not were we export in quantities like before but where we import much less. A country where we still trade but where most of our trade partners have a more balanced trade with us. Trump is trying to bring an end to globalism as we know it now. This is why Putting likes him so much. This is why Trump is so hated in our globalistic press.
In actual fact, they have good relations with more of the planet than the US I'd suggest.
In 1975 South Viet Nam fell to the north. Untold numbers of people were killed including some of my wife's family. A great wave of poverty came after that.
There are more voices being heard in The States to punish China. Not with sanctions but more a buy America mentality. Translated Joe America will pay more for a non Chinese product. Will this mentality last, not sure.
it is the north that want to attack the south.
Why are you repeating this lie again after being corrected above several times?
it is the north that want to attack the south.
Why are you repeating this lie again after being corrected above several times?
Because it is not a lie. The south does not want to attacked the north and destroy it. You just believe an untruth. If the south would feel safe they would stop paying for USA troops and we would go home. Look at what happen in Vien Nam. WE went home and the North attacked the south not the other way around. This is no different.
In 1975 South Viet Nam fell to the north. Untold numbers of people were killed including some of my wife's family. A great wave of poverty came after that. Hard for me to see anything good about it from first hand accounts. It is hard for me to see any different in North Korea. It is not the south that want to attack the north it is the north that want to attack the south. In Lugansk my now girl friend continues to have to deal with the extreme poverty her family lives in brought about by Russian intervening to separated areas where 70 per Cent of the population left to get away from it. If you think seeing US troops on the border means anything trying having you wife family treated as such and then see how different you see things. If North Koreans could leave they would in large numbers just like they did in Lugansk.
There are more voices being heard in The States to punish China. Not with sanctions but more a buy America mentality. Translated Joe America will pay more for a non Chinese product. Will this mentality last, not sure.
Manufacture's of products will see a decline in sales and they will move their factories to Vietnam, Mexico or similar nations. If there's a big enough backlash against China for their stupidity, even retail giants like Walmart and Amazon my tell manufactures to move their plants to another country or they won't buy.
If the USA stops buying products in as large quantities form Europe it will bring about a lower standard of living in Europe...
India now has a more powerful military than any European nation....It is time for Europe to pay for its own protection......Russian sponsored news is trying to encourage this as much as it can by bashing the USA as a terrorist nation and such making it where European people do not understand the connection between the USA and their standard of living.
The USA is posed to have a manufacturing rebirth not were we export in quantities like before but where we import much less. A country where we still trade but where most of our trade partners have a more balanced trade with us. Trump is trying to bring an end to globalism as we know it now. This is why Putting likes him so much. This is why Trump is so hated in our globalistic press.
Somebody should tell President Moon Jae-in of South Korea that North Korea doesn't want to attack his nation so he can make the decision to reduce the size of the South Korean Army and tell American troops to go home.
Somebody should tell President Moon Jae-in of South Korea that North Korea doesn't want to attack his nation so he can make the decision to reduce the size of the South Korean Army and tell American troops to go home.
Ideally, yes. But as a client state of the US they have to do as they're told. The US needs its bogeymen. Remember "axis of evil", "war on terror" and "Russian aggression"? The whole "Rocketman" thing is a narrative same as those ideas were.
Somebody should tell President Moon Jae-in of South Korea that North Korea doesn't want to attack his nation so he can make the decision to reduce the size of the South Korean Army and tell American troops to go home.
Ideally, yes. But as a client state of the US they have to do as they're told. The US needs its bogeymen. Remember "axis of evil", "war on terror" and "Russian aggression"? The whole "Rocketman" thing is a narrative same as those ideas were.
Somebody should tell President Moon Jae-in of South Korea that North Korea doesn't want to attack his nation so he can make the decision to reduce the size of the South Korean Army and tell American troops to go home.
Ideally, yes. But as a client state of the US they have to do as they're told. The US needs its bogeymen. Remember "axis of evil", "war on terror" and "Russian aggression"? The whole "Rocketman" thing is a narrative same as those ideas were.
Having worked with the South Korean military for several years I sincerely think you don't have a clue about what you are talking about (with regards to the South Koreans).
I suspect your government would need to push the propaganda none stop for this one to happen, install a siege like mentality. In the short term, you might find a few patriots willing to pay a bit more to avoid buying Chinese. In the end, consumerism is led by price and quality and when the talk of the enemy is over, capitalism wins.
Ideally, yes. But as a client state of the US they have to do as they're told. The US needs its bogeymen. Remember "axis of evil", "war on terror" and "Russian aggression"? The whole "Rocketman" thing is a narrative same as those ideas were.
but South Koreans know they have a real bogeyman next door.
but South Koreans know they have a real bogeyman next door.
Sure, those aggressive North Koreans that have *not invaded* for seventy years. I'm sure the South Koreans are still trembling at the prospect. :-\
It all rather smells like how Russia has allegedly - according to the US - constantly been poised to invade bits of the EU for decades. But um... didn't.
But yes, those pesky North Koreans. The impudence of wanting to reunify their country, buy some tractor parts, cows and develop a self sufficient agriculture and import/export industry without American interference. How dare they not want to be dictated to by some imperialists from thousands of miles away? :prophead:
Perhaps you think they should trust the US after John Bolton said, “We have very much in mind the Libya model from 2003, 2004,”
That means disarming voluntarily and then being invaded and the leader killed. The NYT helpfully explains that here so I don't have to: How the ‘Libya Model’ Became a Sticking Point in North Korea Nuclear Talks (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/16/world/asia/north-korea-libya-model.html)
Sure, those aggressive North Koreans that have *not invaded* for seventy years. I'm sure the South Koreans are still trembling at the prospect. :-\
The North killed millions of South Koreans. That was real. For some people 9/11, Crimea invasion, Iraq hostility and violation of UN resolutions are not real but South Koreans know they have a real bogeyman next door.
Crimea has been in a happy place since 2014.
You almost think they let them in with open arms......... oh wait
And yes i am in crimea every year
Did you know that Bolton is no longer an advisor to the US?
Sure, those aggressive North Koreans that have *not invaded* for seventy years. I'm sure the South Koreans are still trembling at the prospect. :-\
You wonder why N Koreans have not invaded for 70 years? Who's providing security for South Korea?
While N Korea heavily invests its economy into the military to create the 4th largest army in the world behind China, India, USA but ahead of Russia, S Koreans are living the good life.
https://www.globalfirepower.com/active-military-manpower.asp
If Kim Jong Un shares your belief American and South Korea wants to invade, he's missing out on the good life. Well, he won't miss it but his people will.
Crimea has been in a happy place since 2014.
You almost think they let them in with open arms......... oh wait
And yes i am in crimea every year
America can make a large portions of Russia a happy place too. Should we invade?
I never said South Korea wanted to invade the North - you made that up.
I said that if there were the prospect of winning easily and not pissing off China and Russia, the US would have overthrown Kim already. But they couldn't win 70 years ago and they certainly couldn't now, so they bully them with sanctions. Same as Russia. Both countries give you the middle finger so sanctions are permanent.
Of course the people and the leadership of the north want the good life. But they don't want to surrender to the US to get it, and why should they need to? Any poverty that exists in North Korea is a direct result of US sanctions. Your sanctions only hurt the people. The people there know that.
Trump threw away a huge opportunity. He could have gone down in history as the guy that solved a 70 year stalemate. I actually think he wanted to, but the deep state and the power behind the throne prevented it.
Crimea has been in a happy place since 2014.
You almost think they let them in with open arms......... oh wait
And yes i am in crimea every year
America can make a large portions of Russia a happy place too. Should we invade?
You have not because you know you can't win. Hasn't the penny dropped yet? You lot even come second against blokes on camels and geezers in caves. You're good at destruction of third world countries. Actually winning and having a good outcome, less so. You came second in North Korea, Vietnam. Destroyed Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan with no good outcome. You're not really terribly good at it. :coffeeread:
How happy is the United States right now? 26 million unemployed and rising. Food shortages imminent. Social unrest across the nation.
Things are looking real good right now. I'd that the 'happiness' that USAians want to export right now?
Crimea has been in a happy place since 2014.
You almost think they let them in with open arms......... oh wait
And yes i am in crimea every year
America can make a large portions of Russia a happy place too. Should we invade?
You're correct to a point, because they way they do it, gives the results.Crimea has been in a happy place since 2014.
You almost think they let them in with open arms......... oh wait
And yes i am in crimea every year
America can make a large portions of Russia a happy place too. Should we invade?
You have not because you know you can't win. Hasn't the penny dropped yet? You lot even come second against blokes on camels and geezers in caves. You're good at destruction of third world countries. Actually winning and having a good outcome, less so. You came second in North Korea, Vietnam. Destroyed Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan with no good outcome. You're not really terribly good at it. :coffeeread:
How happy is the United States right now? 26 million unemployed and rising. Food shortages imminent. Social unrest across the nation.
Things are looking real good right now. I'd that the 'happiness' that USAians want to export right now?
North Korean defectors call family back home but can't get answers. Some family members hang up knowing the government is listening.
North Korean defectors call family back home but can't get answers. Some family members hang up knowing the government is listening.
That isn't true. Most numbers in North Korea - those belonging to regular people - can't receive incoming international calls.
I wrote about this previously. Educate yourself >>here<< (https://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,28510.msg502509.html#msg502509).
If you keep making things up like this, we'll have to start calling you Moby2. :chuckle:
But they couldn't win 70 years ago and they certainly couldn't now, so they bully them with sanctions. Same as Russia. Both countries give you the middle finger so sanctions are permanent.
Trump threw away a huge opportunity. He could have gone down in history as the guy that solved a 70 year stalemate. I actually think he wanted to, but the deep state and the power behind the throne prevented it.You mean Kim Jong Un passed up opportunity. Trump isn't like previous presidents that will shower North Korea with food and money hoping they keep their end of the bargain.
Crimea has been in a happy place since 2014.
You almost think they let them in with open arms......... oh wait
And yes i am in crimea every year
America can make a large portions of Russia a happy place too. Should we invade?
You have not because you know you can't win. Hasn't the penny dropped yet? You lot even come second against blokes on camels and geezers in caves. You're good at destruction of third world countries. Actually winning and having a good outcome, less so. You came second in North Korea, Vietnam. Destroyed Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan with no good outcome. You're not really terribly good at it. :coffeeread:
Maybe we partnered up with UK and the UK is the reason for the results you didn't like? The only way to beat some people is to liquidate them. America and the UK won't do that but they have the means to liquidate people and get a win that will impress you.
How happy is the United States right now? 26 million unemployed and rising. Food shortages imminent. Social unrest across the nation.
But they couldn't win 70 years ago and they certainly couldn't now, so they bully them with sanctions. Same as Russia. Both countries give you the middle finger so sanctions are permanent.
The sanctions against North Korea were voted on in the UN and both Russia and Chine voted for them. Please explain
But they couldn't win 70 years ago and they certainly couldn't now, so they bully them with sanctions. Same as Russia. Both countries give you the middle finger so sanctions are permanent.
The sanctions against North Korea were voted on in the UN and both Russia and Chine voted for them. Please explain
Where are your evidence for your statement?
That is your Reality....... from the Jewish Wikipedia ;D
The United States imposed sanctions in the 1950s and tightened them further after international bombings against South Korea by North Korean agents during the 1980s, including the Rangoon bombing and the bombing of Korean Air Flight 858. In 1988, the United States added North Korea to its list of state sponsors of terrorism.
Have you read thee whole article? :biggrin:
Now just a whole lot of North Korea claiming fake victim. No real meaningful sanctions against North Korea.
Now just a whole lot of North Korea claiming fake victim. No real meaningful sanctions against North Korea.
That’s inaccurate. Sanctions have and do hurt them. It means they can’t trade as freely as they’d like. That has held them back considerably. Of course, many countries still trade with them, so they are not as cut off as the US would hope. But to say they claim fake victim or sanctions aren’t meaningful is again, as with several of your statements about this country, simply false.
Many people misunderstand the sanctions. They don’t prohibit all trade, they prohibit trade in certain types of things. Food for example is meant to be exempted from sanctions. But try sending some from the west and you’ll hit a huge wall of terrified bureaucracy.
One of the difficulties of sanctions is they prohibit trade in what’s called dual use goods; that is stuff that can be used by the military. But that doesn’t just mean things like guns and components for weapons as you’d imagine. In the real world that can be applied to pretty much anything. Tyres, screwdrivers, automotive components, appliances, etc.
They are able to kept the regime and all of its people under control because being at war.
and would get rid of there nuclear weapons and bring all of this to an end.
Our sanction against the North Korea is for everything.
China buy their coal and other raw materials sell them anything they want. China does not want them to have factories which they could have if they would get rid of the nuclear weapons.
they need the nuclear weapons for their protection when they do not.
I do not see an end to any of this because no one has a motive to end it.
North Korean defectors call family back home but can't get answers. Some family members hang up knowing the government is listening.
That isn't true. Most numbers in North Korea - those belonging to regular people - can't receive incoming international calls.
I wrote about this previously. Educate yourself >>here<< (https://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,28510.msg502509.html#msg502509).
If you keep making things up like this, we'll have to start calling you Moby2. :chuckle:
Most recently, one post suggested that Kim was injured by shrapnel from an exploding cruise missile while monitoring a weapons test.
North Korean defectors call family back home but can't get answers. Some family members hang up knowing the government is listening.
That isn't true. Most numbers in North Korea - those belonging to regular people - can't receive incoming international calls.
I wrote about this previously. Educate yourself >>here<< (https://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,28510.msg502509.html#msg502509).
If you keep making things up like this, we'll have to start calling you Moby2. :chuckle:
Most numbers in NK can't be called to but some can. There are many calling card sites I can buy a calling card to call NK. Sure some hotels and government officials can be called but like anything, people can work around restrictions and break the law to receive international calls.
http://speedypin.com/phone/card/guide-call-north-korea.html
https://www.amantel.com/cheap-calling/calling-page.aspx
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-possible-to-make-a-phone-call-to-North-Korea
I'm sure NK blocks calls from certain countries like South Korea completely but they do allow calls from China. I'm sure some NK businessmen can accept calls from China and Russia. NK may even allow calls coming in from other nations to gather information about where their criminal defectors are located at and learn what's on their mind.
You didn't read the info I supplied,BillyMoby2.
Come back to us when you have dialled a few private people.
I dont need to speculate or Google. I've been there and had these discussions with North Koreans. :coffeeread:
I dont need to speculate or Google. I've been there and had these discussions with North Koreans. :coffeeread:
I dont need to speculate or Google. I've been there and had these discussions with North Koreans. :coffeeread:
You are speculating. Regardless of what the law is and the few people repeating what the law says, there's always a way around things. Always. Just got to find people smart enough to get around things.
I dont need to speculate or Google. I've been there and had these discussions with North Koreans. :coffeeread:
You are speculating. Regardless of what the law is and the few people repeating what the law says, there's always a way around things. Always. Just got to find people smart enough to get around things.
Manny, I think Moby 2 is working for NSA or the CIA so he knows better how to call N. Korea!
:chuckle:
You didn't read the info I supplied,BillyMoby2.
Come back to us when you have dialled a few private people.
I dont need to speculate or Google. I've been there and had these discussions with North Koreans. :coffeeread:
Oooh,
Speaking of me,have you decided why the Russian in NK saw a completely different ( real?) side you 'missed' ..
Don't try Manny.
I dont need to speculate or Google. I've been there and had these discussions with North Koreans. :coffeeread:
If North Korea can hack into Sony and America can shut down North Korea's internet as retaliation, I'm sure somebody is smart enough to figure out how to make a phone call in and out of North Korea. But you guys go on thinking people can't work around the law.
CNN are claiming Kim Jong-un is in a coma following heart surgery.
The rest of the world’s media have copied and embellished the story with various bits of their own fake news.
Having read the original article, it appears to be uncorroborated speculation based on the claim he wasn’t present at the recent Day of the Sun celebrations.
If it is true, and something happens to him, the future is unclear. His sister Kim Yo-jong some may assume the obvious successor, but a female leader is unlikely there. He has a ten year old son, but a child leader seems equally unlikely.
An overview without the western media hysteria here: https://www.rt.com/news/486390-kim-north-korea-surgery-cnn/
How happy is the United States right now? 26 million unemployed and rising. Food shortages imminent. Social unrest across the nation.
Things are looking real good right now. I'd that the 'happiness' that USAians want to export right now?
A question relating to personal freedoms in North Korea: does anyone know if Kim's subjects are able to pursue a private pilot's license (PPL) for fixed wing, rotary wing or lighter-than-air aircraft?
Officials say more than 4,000 North Koreans have gone up in the ultralight fleet since, along with "hundreds of foreigners" from 12 countries.
The flights go directly over some of Pyongyang's most iconic spots, including the gargantuan May Day stadium, the torch-tipped Juche Tower and Kim Il Sung Square area, and the Munsu Water Park, yet another of Kim's leisure spot "gifts" to the city.
Flights start off over a typically rural setting, with a mixture of farmland and small hamlets.
A question relating to personal freedoms in North Korea: does anyone know if Kim's subjects are able to pursue a private pilot's license (PPL) for fixed wing, rotary wing or lighter-than-air aircraft?
Some people must be able to because one can take flights there. The Mirim flying club offers locals and foreigners microlight flights. I didn't do it as I didn't want to trust some little microlight with an unknown service history.
Koryo tours do the microlight thing and helicopter flights as well: https://koryogroup.com/blog/2016-in-review-the-year-we-conquered-both-air-and-sea
Even US media seems to have picked up on it: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/north-koreas-latest-fad-sightseeing-in-ultralight-airplanes/QuoteOfficials say more than 4,000 North Koreans have gone up in the ultralight fleet since, along with "hundreds of foreigners" from 12 countries.
The flights go directly over some of Pyongyang’s most iconic spots, including the gargantuan May Day stadium, the torch-tipped Juche Tower and Kim Il Sung Square area, and the Munsu Water Park, yet another of Kim’s leisure spot "gifts" to the city.
Flights start off over a typically rural setting, with a mixture of farmland and small hamlets.
That said, the man in the street probably wouldn't have the disposable income to pursue such a hobby. As anywhere, it will be a middle class pursuit there.
The only balloons I recall mentioned were the ones filled with propaganda, USB sticks and DVDs etc., sent by activists floated over from the south. I think they shoot those down.....
The mention of Hot Air Balloons peaked my interest as I used to do this, regularly. A former next door neighbor was a pilot.
I found this info on Koreans using non passenger balloons
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balloon_propaganda_campaigns_in_Korea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balloon_propaganda_campaigns_in_Korea)
Pak cited accounts from defectors with family still inside North Korea. The message, she said: "It's really bad here."
If they wanted to sell products to the USA they should of made friends with the USA.
It's hard for a doctor to stay focused when there are guards pointing guns at his head.
Meanwhile, away from Billy's gun fantasies, RT report his train parked at Wonsan (as the Daily Mirror reported above) and his greetings to construction workers is reported by DPRK media:
https://www.rt.com/news/486905-kim-train-letter-health/
So, reading between the lines, it seems he may have had a procedure, is now recovering and avoiding the virus by chilling at the coast and isn't dead.
And now theres a new rumour he is dead. If he turns up alive that newspaper will be degraded to tabloid status
As predicted, Kim Jong-un is alive and well.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8279299/Kim-Jong-makes-public-appearance-20-days-fertiliser-plant.html
Manny do you think the virus will open new windows of opportunity for you to do business there or in China?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8279299/Kim-Jong-makes-public-appearance-20-days-fertiliser-plant.html
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8279299/Kim-Jong-makes-public-appearance-20-days-fertiliser-plant.html
More BS propaganda photos N Korea provided. The two murals behind Kim Jong Un aren't the same. They better execute the photoshop workers so the next crew will do a better job. Another photo below that showing an army of people celebrating is very fuzzy. Photographers 100 years ago could take better photos than that. Photographers take hundreds of photos at events and the State media chooses the fuzzy one. Lol.
I'm sure even North Koreans know that about America.
Is that all you got for me? I thought you were going to try to claim the two photos N Korea State media supplied with different photoshopped murals were actually the same with some funny reasoning behind it. Maybe somebody else will come forward and claim the photos are real?
Manny do you think the virus will open new windows of opportunity for you to do business there or in China?
I doubt new. Apart from maybe the mask business. But the world and his wife will be all over that soon enough and there'll be no profit to be had once its a race to the bottom.
China is pretty much business as usual again, and mostly open. NK haven't confirmed they had any virus at all. Unofficial reports suggest they have, but they were on it quite quickly and its well under control.
Things Billyb hasn't heard of, number 9,235: perspective.
Perspective is the way a 3 dimensional scene is depicted in 2 dimensional form. Images that are captured from a different position to each other will have differing relationships in terms of size and position.
In the images that have so confused poor Billyb we can see that various elements of each image are visible in both the images. Because they are a 2 dimensional representation of a 3 dimensional scene the relationships between the elements are different.
The 'mural' that so concerned poor Billykins is clearly the same, one can see elements of the mural in both pics and there are parts of the mural in common. In addition, the positioning and size of the elements are consistent across both photos.
While, from the evidence provided it is not possible to be certain that President Kim is alive, the images do not seem to be fakes or misrepresentations - at least not on the grounds that poor Billyb thought.
I bet that it's hard for you to drive, eh Billy? Or do you have special spectacles to help you with depth perception?
Perhaps cleaning supplies and medical equipment and pharmaceuticals.
Does North Korea have any type of non military manufacturing?
I imagine they import almost everything from China.
Not only is one photo is elongated compared to the other the railroad tracks are a completely different pattern. Click on the photos to blow them up and if you can't see, use a magnifying glass or reading glasses.
The video does not have any obvious evidence of doctoring or being made at different times. One would need a special program to be absolutely certain.
State media releases photos and video of the leader opening a new factory, and to you this is suspicious.
Others think skipping the ceremonies on Wednesday had more to do with the current dictator trying to distance himself from his family and highlight his own legacy.
"Kim Jong Un wants to break away from the past, as well as the North's traditional cult of personality," Ahn Chan-il, a North Korean defector and researcher in Seoul, told Agence France-Presse.
"He wants to come across and brand himself as a leader who is modern and competent, rather than a descendant of his predecessors," he told the news agency. "And he wants to gradually tone down the idolization of the two late leaders as it goes against his agenda to brand the North as a 'normal state.'"
Another North Korean observer noted that the country had an "unusually low-key commemoration" for the national holiday this year.
"This could be part of North Korea's ongoing propaganda effort to distance Kim Jong Un from the legacies of his grandfather and his father, a trend detected since the latter half of last year, the North's handling of the party founding anniversary in October 2019 being one example," Minyoung Lee, an expert in North Korean media and leadership, told NK News.
Celebrations in North Korea were noticeably quieter this year, with no large-scale events. A major marathon event in Pyongyang to mark the holiday was also canceled, according to Yonhap.
Any truth to it?
That analysis makes some sense. Kim Jong Un's administration has been responsible for some very significant changes in the way the country is run in social, political and economic terms. In those terms moving away from the past makes sense.
As discussed in posts passim, one never knows how much credence to give testimony of defectors; it should be viewed through that skeptical lense. But none of it sounds too surprising. We can't be sure it's all accurate, but it seems mostly credible.
As discussed in posts passim, one never knows how much credence to give testimony of defectors; it should be viewed through that skeptical lense. But none of it sounds too surprising. We can't be sure it's all accurate, but it seems mostly credible.
You see that is the problem. When I leave the USA I am a tourist. When a north Korean Leaves north Korea he/she is a defector. When I return home often the people working at customs often say welcome home. When the North Korea returns home he/she is put in prison. It is a huge difference.
There is some truth to that statement,
As discussed in posts passim, one never knows how much credence to give testimony of defectors; it should be viewed through that skeptical lense. But none of it sounds too surprising. We can't be sure it's all accurate, but it seems mostly credible.
You see that is the problem. When I leave the USA I am a tourist. When a north Korean Leaves north Korea he/she is a defector. When I return home often the people working at customs often say welcome home. When the North Korea returns home he/she is put in prison. It is a huge difference.
An American - who doesn't get alternative political systems - wonders why the whole world isn't like America. :coffeeread: :fighting0025: (:)
An American - who doesn't get alternative political systems - wonders why the whole world isn't like America. :coffeeread: :fighting0025: (:)There is some truth to that statement,
but you see it polar opposite.
Why is the whole world not like Russia or China.
Funny being the industrial type you are ( capitalist )
I am not sure why you think communism at any level is good?
As discussed in posts passim, one never knows how much credence to give testimony of defectors; it should be viewed through that skeptical lense. But none of it sounds too surprising. We can't be sure it's all accurate, but it seems mostly credible.
You see that is the problem. When I leave the USA I am a tourist. When a north Korean Leaves north Korea he/she is a defector. When I return home often the people working at customs often say welcome home. When the North Korea returns home he/she is put in prison. It is a huge difference.
Just watched this video and I like what I see.........Life in North Korea
tiphat
I enjoyed that.
That’s the Korea I saw.
Billykins, do you still think that Kim Jong Un is dead?
Unlike Czech authorities (who have recently removed a monument to Marshal Konev :D), Kim dynasty takes good care of the graves of Soviet soldiers, who died in Korea in 1945. Thus a medal for Kim the young:
https://news.mail.ru/politics/41655000/?
More pics here:
https://www.facebook.com/pg/RusEmbDPRK/posts/
I doubt that you have the ability to think for yourself,
That’s the Korea I saw.
That's the Korea they wanted you to see.
That’s the Korea I saw.
That's the Korea they wanted you to see.
That is a convenient propagandist line that people who have never been like to tell everybody and anyone who will listen.
If you had the balls to visit, you might understand. You haven’t, so you won’t.
I know what I saw. It’s all spelled out in the topic, there’s video, photos, etc. I doubt they’re going to put on a theatre production involving thousands of people for somebody spending €1000. Use your brain.
But the prospects for any major positive breakthrough on the peninsula are rather slim for the time being. The US is far too busy at home to have time to actively deal with the Korea situation and it would be a risky feat politically for Trump to attempt any kind of diplomacy with the North as of now.
The only way things could move in the right direction would be if the US had a sudden change of heart and was willing to finally allow the reduction or removal of certain sanctions currently in place against the North. This would be a major help to Pyongyang, given that it is currently suffering serious economic problems caused by the border closure with China over the coronavirus.
Kim Jong-un has given more responsibility to his sister Kim Yo-jong in recent months. She has responsibility for much of the inter-relations.
Organisations in the south - some openly funded the US - have been flying drones and balloons full of western propaganda into the north. The north has repeatedly asked them to prevent it and simply leave them alone. Especially if they want to continue good north-south relations.
The south - as US puppets - did nothing. The balloons kept coming.
Organisations in the south - some openly funded the US - have been flying drones and balloons full of western propaganda into the north. The north has repeatedly asked them to prevent it and simply leave them alone. Especially if they want to continue good north-south relations.
The south - as US puppets - did nothing. The balloons kept coming.
When I was in the Army in the early 90's, soldiers I knew who were stationed in South Korea said North Korea would fly balloons over and drop propaganda leaflets and blast speakers all night with more propaganda so they couldn't sleep.
Interesting, still today, the North Koreans say only South Korea does those awful things. That's propaganda for you.
Organisations in the south - some openly funded the US - have been flying drones and balloons full of western propaganda into the north. The north has repeatedly asked them to prevent it and simply leave them alone. Especially if they want to continue good north-south relations.
The south - as US puppets - did nothing. The balloons kept coming.
When I was in the Army in the early 90's, soldiers I knew who were stationed in South Korea said North Korea would fly balloons over and drop propaganda leaflets and blast speakers all night with more propaganda so they couldn't sleep.
Interesting, still today, the North Koreans say only South Korea does those awful things. That's propaganda for you.
A month or so ago I looked a Windguru.cz to see the mid and low altitude winds for the Korean Peninsula. While more an app for kite sailors it was clear the prevailing winds were not conducive for balloons flying from South Korea to North Korea.
With out doubt there will be days where perhaps this is feasible.
Kim Jong-un has given more responsibility to his sister Kim Yo-jong in recent months. She has responsibility for much of the inter-relations.
Where's Kim Jong Un? He's an absent leader
Kim Jong-un has given more responsibility to his sister Kim Yo-jong in recent months. She has responsibility for much of the inter-relations.
Where's Kim Jong Un? He's an absent leader
You are weeks out of date. Have you been too sick to get to a computer during your absence?
See this post (https://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,26512.msg510295.html#msg510295) and this post (https://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,26512.msg510328.html#msg510328).
The big question is why is Kim turning over more of the government to his sister? Maybe he is not all that well? Does he have a heart problem and needs to slow down? I surely do not know just asking.
Billy, I know that I am repeating myself, but you really do need to get your eyes checked. From what you keep telling us you could be a danger to those around you.
Your eyesight problems have, as you know, been an issue in at least one other thread.
I can tell you that getting your eyesight corrected will, quite literally, change the way you see the world.
US funded groups (let’s not forget that bit) to send leaflets into the north.
US funded groups (let's not forget that bit) to send leaflets into the north.
If the US wants to get hostile, there's better ways than dropping leaflets. Got any N Korean news of N Korea blaming US for the leaflets?
To help the people left behind, Park and other North Korean defectors are big supporters of the US-funded, Seoul-based Free North Korea Radio that began the year Park escaped and which broadcasts news of the outside world every day and night without fail into the Hermit Kingdom.
Free North Korea Radio receives an annual grant from the U.S. National Endowment for Democracy.
Human Rights Foundation
P.O. Box 35677
Los Angeles, CA 90035
USA
Recent organizations involved with the balloon campaigns include North Korean defectors' organizations, South Korean evangelical Protestants and conservatives, various organizations of other Christian denominations and United States based organizations.[34] In the participating North Korean defectors' organizations, ex-military members are overrepresented. Women constitute up to 70 percent of North Korean defectors; however, it is mainly men from relatively elite or military background who lead the balloon campaigns.[8] The defectors' organizations are the most active ones; the two main organizations for flying leaflets to North Korea are Fighters for a Free North Korea and North Korean Christian Association.
FFNK has partnered with the Human Rights Foundation on activities to get liberty-oriented materials across the border and into North Korea since 2013
All these groups that do the leaflets are linked together and mostly funded from the US.
All these groups that do the leaflets are linked together and mostly funded from the US.
Got any N Korean actual news of N Korea blaming US for the leaflets?
It's been months. Are we going to wait years before we criticize Kim Jong Un for failing to work for the people of N Korea? Producing more photoshopped events of fertilizer plant grand openings will get old. The announcement of Kim Jong Un writing letters to world leaders isn't enough to convince the world he's healthy or even alive. Have they announced he even spoke to a world leader since he gone missing? They can't because a World leader can verify if the conversation even took place.
Google is your friend.
You are concerned with his absence still.
Google is your friend.
Google hasn't said anything pertaining to N Korea blaming the US for the balloons and leaflets being dropped in their country. Just wondering where you came up with that idea.
North Korea's propaganda machine obsession in trying to prove Kim Jong Un is alive
There is even an Instagram feed where NK news is translated and posted. Look here: https://www.instagram.com/p/CBNgCy4j1aW/?igshid=1vm33w0pcqgma
Are you alleging he is dead?
They did not say they will not sit down with the US.
Are you alleging he is dead?
All we know is that he's a missing leader and he's been missing for 2 months. If we're lucky, next week they'll put out a video showing Kim Jong Un attending the grand opening of a rice bowl factory.
We don’t “know” he is missing at all. Again, this is your fantasy because he won’t parade about for the international media as often as you’d like.
We don’t “know” he is missing at all. Again, this is your fantasy because he won’t parade about for the international media as often as you’d like.
If we don't see somebody for awhile, they are missing. When Trump and Boris are seen everyday, it's not done because they are parading themselves for international media, it's about showing up for work for their people.
The role and requirements of the UK Prime Minister and the US President are very different from that of the Supreme Leader of the DPRK.
it appears that your prejudice can’t stop you from being a bit silly here.
The role and requirements of the UK Prime Minister and the US President are very different from that of the Supreme Leader of the DPRK.
He's supposed to be running a friggin country! What is the role of the Supreme Leader then? Hide and let his sister do it? There is no leader on earth that disappears for as long as he does, then have the ministry of propaganda fake a fertilizer plant grand opening appearance.it appears that your prejudice can’t stop you from being a bit silly here.
I'm not the one that is giving him a pass from doing his duties. That's silly.
There is no leader on earth that disappears for as long as he does, then have the ministry of propaganda fake a fertilizer plant grand opening appearance.
The fact that Kim Jong-un, who reappeared in public after a three-week absence, sent an "oral personal message" to President Xi Jinping of the PRC, was announced today by the North Korean agency TsTAK.
Without specifying why such an unusual form was chosen for the message and how it was sent to Beijing, the CCTC abundantly quotes Kim Jong-un, expressing admiration for the PRC and its leader.
Manny, when was the last time Kim Jong Un spoke on the phone to a world leader?
What is this obsession you’ve developed?
Who even cares if Kim Jon is a live or dead. If he is gone then his sister will run the show not likely much will change in the short term. She likely to murder more north Koreans than Kim just to prove she has balls and is not a weak woman. Sort if the mind set Kim Jon had when he took office at a young age.
What is this obsession you’ve developed?
People here and propaganda there are obsessed with trying to prove Kim Jong Un is alive. Can we just agree nobody knows and we ALL are speculating what happened to Kim Jong UN?
What is this obsession you’ve developed?
People here and propaganda there are obsessed with trying to prove Kim Jong Un is alive. Can we just agree nobody knows and we ALL are speculating what happened to Kim Jong UN?
I expect he's alive and you lot need to prove he's dead. Not the other way around. The obsession you guys have is unhealthy.
I never said he's dead. It's those who claim he's alive that are obsessed with trying to prove it. He's missing and no fertilizer factory photoshopped photos are going to convince me otherwise. For now, we need to get used to his sister calling the shots.
I never said he's dead. It's those who claim he's alive that are obsessed with trying to prove it. He's missing and no fertilizer factory photoshopped photos are going to convince me otherwise. For now, we need to get used to his sister calling the shots.
I'll say it again: There was a video. You can find it here (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8279299/Kim-Jong-makes-public-appearance-20-days-fertiliser-plant.html#v-703896288604699574). Is that fake too?
So next time he appears, will you be eating crow or will you just claim every photo and video is altered?
He's missing right now. If he shows up tomorrow, that doesn't make me wrong. Let Trump go missing for two months. You don't think the world would be laughing about it?
Did you guys see the massive explosion of the liaison offices? It was so powerful it did a lot of collateral damage to other buildings. Probably blew out the eardrums of those living in those buildings.
So next time he appears, will you be eating crow or will you just claim every photo and video is altered?
He's missing right now. If he shows up tomorrow, that doesn't make me wrong. Let Trump go missing for two months.
Maybe he's just hiding away from cover-19 in a retreat with some female company, recovering from a procedure?
Yea she is stupid and over reacting. It is a sure sign any treaty with her is a waste of time.
Maybe he's just hiding away from cover-19 in a retreat with some female company, recovering from a procedure?
Anyway NK reports zero deaths from the virus so don't know why he would even be hiding from Covid-19 unless he knows the truth about it but don't want to tell his people.
In the west, it is common to start out assuming the north is in the wrong and anything they do is a first provocation. This is often wrong as well. Westerners also look at anything that happens through our own eyes without the benefit of their methodology, worldview and culture.
Leaflet propaganda (including balloons and similar) is something that both sides did for decades.
Quite Ironic that the CCP lab hybridized HIV- Coronavirus bioweapon
I never said he's dead. It's those who claim he's alive that are obsessed with trying to prove it. He's missing and no fertilizer factory photoshopped photos are going to convince me otherwise. For now, we need to get used to his sister calling the shots.
I'll say it again: There was a video. You can find it here (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8279299/Kim-Jong-makes-public-appearance-20-days-fertiliser-plant.html#v-703896288604699574). Is that fake too?
You on the other hand are still obsessing over it and you cant let it go.
You on the other hand are still obsessing over it and you cant let it go.
Kim Jong Un is missing
Kim Jong Un is missing
Kim Jong Un is missing
Yet, some respond with excuses obsessed with protecting Kim Jong Un from embarrassment of his own doing. You can't let it go and you're so obsessed with what I said you're even imagining things claiming I said Kim Jong Un was dead. If you respond with an excuse for his behavior or deny he's missing, I'm going to repeat the fact Kim Jong Un is missing. It's going to sound like a broken record.
Kim Jong Un is missing
Kim Jong Un is missing
Kim Jong Un is missing
If you respond with an excuse for his behavior or deny he's missing, I'm going to repeat the fact Kim Jong Un is missing. It's going to sound like a broken record.
But at a meeting chaired by leader Kim Jong-un, STATE MEDIA said the decision was taken to suspend military action.
But at a meeting chaired by leader Kim Jong-un, STATE MEDIA said the decision was taken to suspend military action.
State media said it happened so it must be true! When Kim Jong Un meets or has a phone call with another World leader, I'll believe, okay?
It looks like the BBC are happy enough with it, they maybe even watched the state footage?
It looks like the BBC are happy enough with it, they maybe even watched the state footage?
More speculation. If there is footage provided by N Korea, the BBC should be sharing it.
You can't even tell me of one positive thing coming out of NK.
You can't even tell me of one positive thing coming out of NK.
Rejection of US hegemony.
You can't even tell me of one positive thing coming out of NK.
Rejection of US hegemony.
If that is the best thing they got going for them, glad it improves their lives.
You can't even tell me of one positive thing coming out of NK.
Rejection of US hegemony.
Texan, try doing the maths.
Don't believe everything you are told - yes, that's what you've been trained to do but you can learn for yourself. You can think. You can analyse. These are tools given to every human, in greater or lesser measure.
Closing gates and bolted horsage springs to mind.
You were bubbling your guts out for pages, whinging that he was missing and maybe dead.
And whilst we’re discussing comprehension and stupidity, can you please link me to where I stated or gave the impression that I believed N Korea to be a covid free sanctuary? You can’t because I didn’t but your prejudices and propaganda identify me as a sympathiser, in your mind.
Also the article came from the BBC, they’re not North Korean BTW. :'(
Oh no Billy, KJU still not missing: DPRK leader confers pistols to officers on armistice anniversary (https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-07-27/DPRK-leader-confers-pistols-to-officers-on-armistice-anniversary-SsBrfbm6UU/share_amp.html)
Oh no Billy, KJU still not missing: DPRK leader confers pistols to officers on armistice anniversary (https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-07-27/DPRK-leader-confers-pistols-to-officers-on-armistice-anniversary-SsBrfbm6UU/share_amp.html)
Let me know when he actually speaks or meets with another world leader. Passing out pistols and celebrating fertilizer factory grand openings doesn't give me a hard on.
I thought this a good article. Some elements of this may resonate with Billy. ;D
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Why the Western media keeps getting North Korea wrong
Western media's repeated blunders in reporting on North Korea show its continuing lack of understanding and expertise.
After 20 days of absence, proof of life for North Korea's Kim Jong Un finally came on May 2. North Korean state media released images of the leader touring a fertiliser factory. Contrary to mounting speculation by much of the international media and many so-called North Korea watchers, Kim was clearly not on his deathbed.
Western journalists are not always adept at covering this reclusive country, but the latest fiasco surrounding Kim's supposedly imminent demise proved just how eager they are to accept unconfirmed rumours as objective news and how poorly they judge information about North Korea.
It all started on April 20, when the North Korean-defector-run news site Daily NK published a story that Kim had undergone heart surgery. Initially citing multiple sources, the site claimed that the North Korean leader "suffered from inflammation of blood vessels involving the heart ... but his condition worsened".
Daily NK often relies on anonymous informers in the North to run critical articles about the regime, and its track record on accuracy is spotty at best. In this instance, the English version of the article was later edited to say "a cardiovascular procedure" instead of "a heart surgery", and the editor ran a correction that there were no multiple sources, but only one.
Within hours, CNN put forward its own single-source piece, with the sensationalist headline, "US source: North Korean leader in grave danger after surgery." MSNBC anchor Katy Tur tweeted to her more than 700,000 followers: "North Korean leader Kim Jong Un is brain dead, according to two US officials." She called it a "CNN scoop" confirmed by NBC News.
CNN later revised its headline to "US monitoring intelligence that North Korean leader is in grave danger after surgery" and Tur apparently deleted her tweet, both conveying that the intel was less than credible. But the cat was already out of the bag. For the next 11 days all manner of news outlets and sites worldwide would join the game of guessing "Is Kim Jong Un really dead?" and "Who will be the next ruler of North Korea?"
So great was the noise generated by Western media that even the normally more reserved South Koreans became rattled, wondering if they had missed out on something, even though the country's National Security Council maintained that "there are at present no unusual developments within North Korea". At times "Kim Jong Un death" trumped even coronavirus in search rankings on major portal websites.
To be fair, the North Korean state contributed to the drama when Kim did not publicly pay respect to his grandfather Kim Il Sung on his April 15 birth anniversary for an unspecified reason. But in hindsight, there was not even a shred of concrete proof that Kim Jong Un's health and the succession question merited serious discussion.
This is hardly the first major Western media fail over North Korea. In November 2018, the august New York Times ran a front-page article titled, "In North Korea, Missile Bases Suggest a Great Deception." Written by two reporters including Pulitzer-winning correspondent David E Sanger, it cited satellite imagery and a report by the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) to argue that North Korea was continuing to secretly develop missiles in violation of the June 2018 Singapore agreement between Kim and US President Donald Trump.
But as longtime Korea analyst Tim Shorrock wrote in his great takedown of the piece, the prominently embedded satellite photo was dated March 2018 - three months before Kim and Trump met in Singapore - and the missile bases presented as damning evidence of Kim's duplicity had been known to South Korea for at least two years. Laughably, the CSIS report at the heart of the article even featured a disclaimer that "some of the information used in the preparation of this study may eventually prove to be incomplete or incorrect".
All of that, though, did not stop the story from being spread by overeager Western media, and the Times tweeted that it stood by the story, without elaboration.
I have come to find that Western media are quick to blame North Korea for their own bad reporting, on the grounds that the regime does not share much information. The CNN article even contains an acknowledgment to that effect: "gathering intelligence out of North Korea is notoriously difficult ... North Korea tightly controls any information surrounding its leader." It is what many Western journalists on the North Korea beat tend to say in self-defence.
Over coffee in downtown Seoul a few years ago, the then-Asia director of a large European news organisation said just as much to me: "North Korea is important. Shouldn't we at least try to report on it?"
That intention may be good, but does it justify publishing half-truths or articles written with outright ignorance? Again in June 2018, at the press conference following the Singapore summit, Trump commented that the US and South Korea "will stop the war games," prompting a flurry of criticisms in Western media that he had slighted South Korea, which was "taken by surprise" and was allegedly concerned about the announcement.
That reading of Seoul's position was entirely wrong since most of these Western reporters operate without deep knowledge of regional politics. The South Korean government, under president Moon Jae-in, has been of the position that reducing the chances of military confrontation - including limiting military exercises - is important for advancing inter-Korean peace. Anyone who knows this would never say that suspending war games would worry Seoul.
In my five years on the English-language media scene, I have met not one Western reporter covering the Korean Peninsula who could speak Korean fluently. Whether a foreign language skill is imperative to have when reporting abroad may be debatable, but in the context of North Korea coverage, not speaking Korean means sidelining from the global conversation qualified experts who do not speak English - of whom there are many in South Korea.
Instead, their places are taken by the convenient English-speaking pundits, whose CVs reveal that most of them have no expertise related to North Korea; or by defectors whose suitability as commentators on the politics in Pyongyang or Kim's state of mind is compromised by inexperience or obvious political motives.
Had Western media made genuine attempts to engage with reputable North Korea experts in the South, many exaggerated rumours about the regime would not receive the attention that they do.
Already more than two weeks ago, a number of respected South Korean researchers, including Cheong Seong-Chang at the Sejong Institute, cautioned against overreading Kim's public absence.
On April 17, Cheong wrote in his widely read newsletter: "Although there may be a temporary issue with Chairman Kim Jong Un's health or personal circumstance … the possibility of an emergency in the North is extremely unlikely."
And that was indeed the case.
The views expressed in this article are the authors' own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera's editorial stance.
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Source (https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/indepth/opinion/western-media-north-korea-wrong-200505155134971.html)
Manny it is not a news report it is the UN report. Nothing quote "western news" about it. They do not get there [sic] info from reporters.
Media Reports Kim Jung Un telling subjects to turn in Dog pets so their fellow NoKors can eat... something, anything curious what else is on the menu Rats, Pigeons, Squirrels?
Here is UK Media's PC Spin:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/700598/Kim-Jong-un-wants-North-Koreans-eat-dog-meat-stamina-food
North Korean authorities are urgently trying to buy up dogs from several parts of the country for dog meat restaurants in Pyongyang, Daily NK has learned.
“The authorities have ordered that officials in several areas of the country, including Pakchon County, buy up dogs weighing 15 kilograms or larger and send them to Pyongyang,” a North Pyongan Province-based source told Daily NK yesterday.
The order directed local officials to send the dogs to 36 well-known dog meat restaurants in Pyongyang.
Local officials in Pakchon County have reportedly been ordered to supply dogs to a famous restaurant in Pyongyang’s Taesong District.
Over a period of seven days, Pakchon County officials reportedly purchased dogs weighing 15 to 18 kilograms from dog owners and have already sent a total of 720 kilograms worth of dogs to Pyongyang.
Famine in the communist dictatorship, the result of floods and droughts as well as economic management failings, has been blamed for the deaths of up to 300,000 people during 1990s.
The simple story that we are being told to accept is that the program of starvation carried out by the west, led by the USA, causes no harm to the people and that everything done by the government to minimise the effect of blockades is bad.
Do you really think that North Korea is as powerful and influential as the USA? Honestly?
Billykins, don't be more stupid than you have to. You raised the stupid comparison, not I. I pointed out to you the stupidity of your point.
Tell us from yourgreatknowledge exactly what the United States has offered to North Korea? Go on, be specific and don't rely upon you prejudices. Go research the topic. Removing illegal sanctions is not a benefit, as I am sure even you are aware, it is merely returning to some form of stays quo.
Go on, Silly Billy, give it a shot, prove you know something.
because we have good management here.
floods of illegal aliens,
Life in Pyongyang is quite OK, surprisingly OK in fact. Why many foreigners choose to live there. The same can't be said for New York of late. People are fleeing.
Ironic really except for the Wall same can be said about London and UK.
The main exception is most all of the Latin and India migrants come here to work... Whereas the Islamists flooding London and many other UK cities come to game your NHS and welfare dole, groom your daughters to breed out you bloodlines and behead your men.
I can't ever see myself visiting such a dangerous country with feral Islamists running wild
Start a poll and ask if people want to live in America or NK. I already know the answer.
Also I don't see what is so special about NY for international tourists. It's in overcrowded, rude, and dirty city. Lots of better places in America to see and meet people.
China and NoKor will pay for their evil soon after Trump's reelection
Andrew, you'd make for a good Communist Party manager for nations like NK. Your brain ain't normal.
Rome had that problem. The best, most prosperous region in the world will always have that problem. Most of America isn't like what you see on tv with a few idiots in liberal cities rioting. America will continue to excel and pull away from other nations because we have a lot of good things happening here all the time.
Billy and Tex still live their lives believing that the US is the greatest place on earth without question.
Tell us Cuffy, what is this evil you imagine North Korea has perpetrated?
The NORKS and Chicommunists are an extreme existential threat to the USA and our Constitution. They are one and the same.
The US invaded North Korea (and lost) previously. They haven't invaded or attacked you. And they won't if you leave them alone. Thus they are no threat.
The US invaded North Korea (and lost) previously. They haven't invaded or attacked you. And they won't if you leave them alone. Thus they are no threat.
North Korea's nukes are a very necessary deterrent. Leave them alone and they'll never have to use them.
The US invaded North Korea (and lost) previously. They haven't invaded or attacked you. And they won't if you leave them alone. Thus they are no threat.
On June 25, 1950, the Korean War began when some 75,000 soldiers from the North Korean People’s Army poured across the 38th parallel, the boundary between the Soviet-backed Democratic People’s Republic of Korea to the north and the pro-Western Republic of Korea to the south.
The US invaded North Korea (and lost) previously. They haven't invaded or attacked you. And they won't if you leave them alone. Thus they are no threat.
How did anybody lose? The war never ended. They don't have to attack America. They attacked our friends. Don't you help your friends in need? Even China and the Soviets do the same thing.North Korea's nukes are a very necessary deterrent. Leave them alone and they'll never have to use them.
That's not only how it works. Eventually there could be a nuke arms race in Asia that does nobody any good. Wars always happen. Nuke war will happen. Without taking preventive measures now, it'll happen sooner than later and on greater scales.
The US invaded North Korea (and lost) previously. They haven't invaded or attacked you. And they won't if you leave them alone. Thus they are no threat.
On June 25, 1950, the Korean War began when some 75,000 soldiers from the North Korean People’s Army poured across the 38th parallel, the boundary between the Soviet-backed Democratic People’s Republic of Korea to the north and the pro-Western Republic of Korea to the south.
Is that what the NK history books say? Because some people believe the NK history books.
Billy and Tex still live their lives believing that the US is the greatest place on earth without question.
What's wrong with that? You should have an idea of what nation you think is best. What is it? Don't let a journalist's article influence your beliefs. People can say what they want but actions are louder than words. Look how people vote with their feet. Here is an interactive map of where people are going in the World. More people would come to America if it weren't for our very restrictive immigration policies. Enlarge the map. Europe isn't doing too well even with a large migration of people from the Middle East. Many of the White folks are leaving.
http://metrocosm.com/global-migration-map.html
Billy, I don't understand your response to what I wrote. Please read my response again. I said NK started the war. Do you disagree with that?
What’s wrong with it, is that you’re pretending/lying to yourself. You're measuring yourself against other countries with a faulty barometer.
You then find yourself playing the annoying yank who arrogantly assumes that everything is better at home and you miss enriching yourself with all the better things you’ll find abroad.
North Korea and China are not one and the same. (:)
So the answer is, in fact, they haven't perpetrated any evil, just you're scared of them.
North Korea's nukes are a very necessary deterrent. Leave them alone and they'll never have to use them. The fact that they are capable of hitting the US is the only thing that has stopped you lot invading them again.
The US invaded North Korea (and lost) previously. They haven't invaded or attacked you. And they won't if you leave them alone. Thus they are no threat.
Billy, you conveniently ignored and cut out my point about where these people are arriving from. Do you think that poor south & Central American’s are more likely to walk over the boarder to the US or swim over to Europe?
Yes some wealthy/skilled people do want to move to the US, there’s some amazing parts to live but let’s be honest with your ‘feet’ moving north from developing countries because we can see that’s where most of the traffic is.
These feet can’t get to Scandinavia, Australia, New Zealand or Northern Europe.
Billy, you conveniently ignored and cut out my point about where these people are arriving from. Do you think that poor south & Central American’s are more likely to walk over the boarder to the US or swim over to Europe?
Yes some wealthy/skilled people do want to move to the US, there’s some amazing parts to live but let’s be honest with your ‘feet’ moving north from developing countries because we can see that’s where most of the traffic is.
These feet can’t get to Scandinavia, Australia, New Zealand or Northern Europe.
USA is bordered by only 2 nations. European nations have more opportunity for people to walk on in than USA. UK has more immigrants show up than any other EU nation. Your excuse it's easy to come to America by way of walking doesn't fly.
So the answer is, in fact, they haven't perpetrated any evil, just you're scared of them.
North Korea's nukes are a very necessary deterrent. Leave them alone and they'll never have to use them. The fact that they are capable of hitting the US is the only thing that has stopped you lot invading them again.
The US invaded North Korea (and lost) previously. They haven't invaded or attacked you. And they won't if you leave them alone. Thus they are no threat.
The Korean war ended in 1953, and NK didn't have nukes until 2006. Care to explain to us how the nukes are needed as a deterrent against the US when they hadn't been at war them with them 50 years before they had the nukes? :coffeeread:
That act was this: In the early 1950s, during the Korean War, the US dropped more bombs on North Korea than it had dropped in the entire Pacific theater during World War II. This carpet bombing, which included 32,000 tons of napalm, often deliberately targeted civilian as well as military targets, devastating the country far beyond what was necessary to fight the war.
Little Rocketman's Animatronic Body Double under control of his sister DraygunLady Un ...
Where was you reading this please, Tex?
Er, Switzerland is in the EEA... do you understand wht that means, Rosco.. ? This has been a BAD week for you re fails .
EEA : You obey EU rules, but don't make the rules.
When one says obey that means you are compelled to follow the statues.
Switzerland, as has large portions of the world, harmonized certain areas of cooperation. But over an even largeer number of other rules the Swiss have given to Brussels the single finger salute. I seem to recall something about minarets on mosques as an example.
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Switzerland also trades with North Korea. Something not allowed in the EU.
Rosco, I never said Kim Jong Un is dead. I said he's missing and even if he talked to Trump recently, he's still a missing leader. He could be scared of the coronavirus or recovering from a major operation.
I checked your last 25 posts and they all pretty much insult somebody. You even had the nerve to call people out for trolling. How old are you? You're worse than Andrew.
You’ve dug yourself a hole
Please show us where the EU has banned trade with N.Korea
Direct trade with North Korea is defacto banned. Statute says you can trade food, non dual use goods, etc. The reality is you can't do so direct from the EU - I tried. Its banned at the behest of the US. I was contacted by the UK Customs "naughty department" for a telephone interview when a parcel of mine was intercepted. They asked me many questions and despite me having filled in paperwork correctly, including sanctions waivers and indemnities, etc. and being utterly legally correct, he made it very clear the stuff was going nowhere.
I was directed to Spire >here< (https://www.spire.trade.gov.uk/spire/fox/espire/LOGIN/login) to get an export licence. The reality there is they won't give you one and won't tell you why. Yes Moby, declared legal trade with the DPRK is defacto banned. EU law says it isn't, but in reality it is. This was also confirmed by a chap I know socially (who did some digging for me) who was a diplomat and now works as an advisor to the government and the army.
If you want to trade with North Korea, you have to do so via alternative locations.
Here's an interesting thing. Its been touched upon here by Andrew
Direct trade with North Korea is defacto banned. Statute says you can trade food, non dual use goods, etc. The reality is you can't do so direct from the EU - I tried. Its banned at the behest of the US. I was contacted by the UK Customs "naughty department" for a telephone interview when a parcel of mine was intercepted. They asked me many questions and despite me having filled in paperwork correctly, including sanctions waivers and indemnities, etc. and being utterly legally correct, he made it very clear the stuff was going nowhere.
I was directed to Spire >here< (https://www.spire.trade.gov.uk/spire/fox/espire/LOGIN/login) to get an export licence. The reality there is they won't give you one and won't tell you why. Yes Moby, declared legal trade with the DPRK is defacto banned. EU law says it isn't, but in reality it is. This was also confirmed by a chap I know socially (who did some digging for me) who was a diplomat and now works as an advisor to the government and the army.
If you want to trade with North Korea, you have to do so via alternative locations.
We (UK) aren't in the EU ...but still subject to the EU rules If it isn't banned and not on the excluded list .. it simply can't be ..
I'd not have given up so easily ... I'd wear my Irish hat and use SolVIT ..They've been VERY helpful ..
"The UK continues to be part of the SOLVIT network until the end of the Transition Period (31.12.2020)."
https://ec.europa.eu/solvit/index_en.htm
Manny I though you might enjoy this video on North Korea, Russia and China about fishing in the area.
There has been some stuff in the news recently about very high suicide rates in South Korea (https://www.dw.com/en/south-koreas-soaring-suicide-self-harm-rates-pinned-on-pandemic/a-54931167).
On social media, accounts from the North (or their supporters), have been posting stuff like this.
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I suppose it does raise the question, is life in North Korea as bad as the western media tells us? And more to the point, South Korea, which IIRC is the 14th richest country in the world, what there is so bad that so many people want to commit suicide?
There has been some stuff in the news recently about very high suicide rates in South Korea (https://www.dw.com/en/south-koreas-soaring-suicide-self-harm-rates-pinned-on-pandemic/a-54931167).
I suppose it does raise the question, is life in North Korea as bad as the western media tells us? And more to the point, South Korea, which IIRC is the 14th richest country in the world, what there is so bad that so many people want to commit suicide?
Is Kin Jon Un dead? This question never goes away.
He just recently did a long address to the people, I think they'd have noticed a fake Kim.No one dare talk (https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/Smileys/DarkB/rolleyes.gif) The guy in the video [crying?] looks like a double to me. Esp after seeing earlier videos. Also...the wife seems to be missing---
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Yeonmi Park
Yeonmi Park
A US asset.
The Strange Tale of Yeonmi Park
A high-profile North Korean defector has harrowing stories to tell. But are they true? (https://thediplomat.com/2014/12/the-strange-tale-of-yeonmi-park/)
The article notes 30 people have been recorded as returning under their own steam in the past ten years. I bet Yeonmi Park won't be making a video on that. :prophead: