The US only invades places that cant fight back. They just threaten everyone else. Iran can fight back so nothing will happen.
The US had no idea what to do in Iraq if they won. Had no idea about the inevitable resistance, no plan to resolve the issues that they caused by invading and, yes, hard to see what transpired as a victory - but then the conditions for victory were never planned.
I have no idea about the numbers Stratfor suggest but for sure, there would be no 'victory' that's clearly outside the capabilities of the US nowadays.
On the other hand, for the same kinds of reason, that's why there is no likelihood of Russia acting as the US and NATO claim. Russia has no way to even subdue and hold the Baltic states or Ukraine. Russia is happy to buy what they want from Europe and Ukraine. Cheaper, safer, more effective.
The horrible thought is what happens if by dint of incompetence the US stumbles into war with Iran?
The US only invades places that cant fight back. They just threaten everyone else. Iran can fight back so nothing will happen.
I hope you’re right, that nothing will happen.
I’m pretty sure if Hillary were Prez she would have already started WWIII.
The US only invades places that cant fight back. They just threaten everyone else. Iran can fight back so nothing will happen.
I hope you’re right, that nothing will happen.
I’m pretty sure if Hillary were Prez she would have already started WWIII.
I doubt it if she were President right now. She would not have pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal (since she was in the administration that agreed to it). She would highly NOT have met Kim Jung Un at the DMZ. :chuckle: I think her policies might have followed along the lines of her husband and former President. And any rapprochement of relations with Putin would be non sequitur. :chuckle:
The US only invades places that cant fight back. They just threaten everyone else. Iran can fight back so nothing will happen.
I hope you’re right, that nothing will happen.
The US only invades places that cant fight back. They just threaten everyone else. Iran can fight back so nothing will happen.
I hope you’re right, that nothing will happen.
Can you think of a country that you invaded or started a war with that can fight back since you lost the Vietnam war? Or even one with a successful outcome? Nope, me neither..........
Nothing will happen. Same as Russia, China, North Korea, etc. If they can fight back the war will be on Twitter. :chuckle:
The US only invades places that cant fight back. They just threaten everyone else. Iran can fight back so nothing will happen.
I hope you’re right, that nothing will happen.
I’m pretty sure if Hillary were Prez she would have already started WWIII.
I doubt it if she were President right now. She would not have pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal (since she was in the administration that agreed to it). She would highly NOT have met Kim Jung Un at the DMZ. :chuckle: I think her policies might have followed along the lines of her husband and former President. And any rapprochement of relations with Putin would be non sequitur. :chuckle:
You’re off track. Per the urging of her puppet masters and per her own desire to prove herself “equal” to a man, she was planning to start a war with Russia over Syria.
In case you forgot she was heavily involved in running weapons from Libya to Syria.
She was heavily involved in the un-Constitutional overthrow of Gadaffi (we came, we saw, he died) and heavily involved in the plan to depose Assad and install a puppet government.
But alas Trump happened in the USA and Putin happened in Syria.
WTF do you think our Zionist controlled media has been so angry at Trump the past two and-a-half years? Their long-term plan for the “Greater Israel Project” was put on indefinite hold.
Do try to keep up! :coffeeread:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/astutenews.com/2018/04/09/syrian-war-lies-and-the-greater-israel-project/amp/
The US only invades places that cant fight back. They just threaten everyone else. Iran can fight back so nothing will happen.
I hope you’re right, that nothing will happen.
Can you think of a country that you invaded or started a war with that can fight back since you lost the Vietnam war? Or even one with a successful outcome? Nope, me neither..........
Nothing will happen. Same as Russia, China, North Korea, etc. If they can fight back the war will be on Twitter. :chuckle:
The US only invades places that cant fight back. They just threaten everyone else. Iran can fight back so nothing will happen.
I hope you’re right, that nothing will happen.
I’m pretty sure if Hillary were Prez she would have already started WWIII.
I doubt it if she were President right now. She would not have pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal (since she was in the administration that agreed to it). She would highly NOT have met Kim Jung Un at the DMZ. :chuckle: I think her policies might have followed along the lines of her husband and former President. And any rapprochement of relations with Putin would be non sequitur. :chuckle:
You’re off track. Per the urging of her puppet masters and per her own desire to prove herself “equal” to a man, she was planning to start a war with Russia over Syria.
In case you forgot she was heavily involved in running weapons from Libya to Syria.
She was heavily involved in the un-Constitutional overthrow of Gadaffi (we came, we saw, he died) and heavily involved in the plan to depose Assad and install a puppet government.
But alas Trump happened in the USA and Putin happened in Syria.
WTF do you think our Zionist controlled media has been so angry at Trump the past two and-a-half years? Their long-term plan for the “Greater Israel Project” was put on indefinite hold.
Do try to keep up! :coffeeread:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/astutenews.com/2018/04/09/syrian-war-lies-and-the-greater-israel-project/amp/
I don't think that foreign issues will be in the forefront had she became President. Obamacare would not have been rescinded. The staff turnover rate would have been much less. She might be the type to be more willing to accept the views of her advisors and staff.
Now, it looks like it is the Democrats who are playing the "dove" with regards to Iran.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/07/11/house-poised-block-trump-launching-iran-strike-and-curb-us-military-support-for-saudi-arabia-yemen/1694058001/
:popcorn:
The US only invades places that cant fight back. They just threaten everyone else. Iran can fight back so nothing will happen.
I hope you’re right, that nothing will happen.
Can you think of a country thatyouRussia invaded or started a war with that can fight back sinceyouthey lost theVietnamAfghanistan war? Or even one with a successful outcome? Nope, me neither..........
Nothing will happen. Same asRussiaUSA, China,North KoreaW. Europe, etc. If they can fight back the war will be on Twitter. :chuckle:
Or Russia will invade tiny Chechnya, Georgia, or Ukraine.
Can you think of a country that you invaded or started a war with that can fight back since you lost the Vietnam war? Or even one with a successful outcome? Nope, me neither..........
Nothing will happen. Same as Russia, China, North Korea, etc. If they can fight back the war will be on Twitter. :chuckle:
Or Russia will invade tiny Chechnya.
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Or Russia will invade tiny Chechnya.
Explain how Russia can or will invade Chechnya. I thought Chechnya was part of Russia. Kind of like the US invading Puerto Rico.
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Or Russia will invade tiny Chechnya.
Explain how Russia can or will invade Chechnya. I thought Chechnya was part of Russia. Kind of like the US invading Puerto Rico.
That’s simple. Chechnya wanted to leave Russia and become independent. Sort of like when Crimea wanted to leave Ukraine (allegedly) and join Russia.
Russia didn’t want to acknowledge that Chechnya had declared themselves free and independent of Russia, so Russia invaded Chechnya with military force. In fact Russia used carpet bombing which killed a lot of civilians.
Russia likes to claim that the people of Crimea had a right to vote and leave Ukraine.
Except when the shoe was on the other foot and Chechnya wanted to leave Russia, the Russians would not allow it and committed some pretty heinous crimes in the process of forcing Chechnya to remain.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chechen_War
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War
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Or Russia will invade tiny Chechnya.
Explain how Russia can or will invade Chechnya. I thought Chechnya was part of Russia. Kind of like the US invading Puerto Rico.
That’s simple. Chechnya wanted to leave Russia and become independent. Sort of like when Crimea wanted to leave Ukraine (allegedly) and join Russia.
Russia didn’t want to acknowledge that Chechnya had declared themselves free and independent of Russia, so Russia invaded Chechnya with military force. In fact Russia used carpet bombing which killed a lot of civilians.
Russia likes to claim that the people of Crimea had a right to vote and leave Ukraine.
Except when the shoe was on the other foot and Chechnya wanted to leave Russia, the Russians would not allow it and committed some pretty heinous crimes in the process of forcing Chechnya to remain.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chechen_War
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War
Not unlike our war between the states??
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Or Russia will invade tiny Chechnya.
Explain how Russia can or will invade Chechnya. I thought Chechnya was part of Russia. Kind of like the US invading Puerto Rico.
That’s simple. Chechnya wanted to leave Russia and become independent. Sort of like when Crimea wanted to leave Ukraine (allegedly) and join Russia.
Russia didn’t want to acknowledge that Chechnya had declared themselves free and independent of Russia, so Russia invaded Chechnya with military force. In fact Russia used carpet bombing which killed a lot of civilians.
Russia likes to claim that the people of Crimea had a right to vote and leave Ukraine.
Except when the shoe was on the other foot and Chechnya wanted to leave Russia, the Russians would not allow it and committed some pretty heinous crimes in the process of forcing Chechnya to remain.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chechen_War
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War
Not unlike our war between the states??
Sorry, entirely different situation. In an odd way long ago Confederate wrote about this. (the war between the States)
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Or Russia will invade tiny Chechnya.
Explain how Russia can or will invade Chechnya. I thought Chechnya was part of Russia. Kind of like the US invading Puerto Rico.
That’s simple. Chechnya wanted to leave Russia and become independent. Sort of like when Crimea wanted to leave Ukraine (allegedly) and join Russia.
Russia didn’t want to acknowledge that Chechnya had declared themselves free and independent of Russia, so Russia invaded Chechnya with military force. In fact Russia used carpet bombing which killed a lot of civilians.
Russia likes to claim that the people of Crimea had a right to vote and leave Ukraine.
Except when the shoe was on the other foot and Chechnya wanted to leave Russia, the Russians would not allow it and committed some pretty heinous crimes in the process of forcing Chechnya to remain.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chechen_War
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War
Not unlike our war between the states??
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Or Russia will invade tiny Chechnya.
Explain how Russia can or will invade Chechnya. I thought Chechnya was part of Russia. Kind of like the US invading Puerto Rico.
That’s simple. Chechnya wanted to leave Russia and become independent. Sort of like when Crimea wanted to leave Ukraine (allegedly) and join Russia.
Russia didn’t want to acknowledge that Chechnya had declared themselves free and independent of Russia, so Russia invaded Chechnya with military force. In fact Russia used carpet bombing which killed a lot of civilians.
Russia likes to claim that the people of Crimea had a right to vote and leave Ukraine.
Except when the shoe was on the other foot and Chechnya wanted to leave Russia, the Russians would not allow it and committed some pretty heinous crimes in the process of forcing Chechnya to remain.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chechen_War
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War
Not unlike our war between the states??
Sorry, entirely different situation. In an odd way long ago Confederate wrote about this. (the war between the States)
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Or Russia will invade tiny Chechnya.
Explain how Russia can or will invade Chechnya. I thought Chechnya was part of Russia. Kind of like the US invading Puerto Rico.
That’s simple. Chechnya wanted to leave Russia and become independent. Sort of like when Crimea wanted to leave Ukraine (allegedly) and join Russia.
Russia didn’t want to acknowledge that Chechnya had declared themselves free and independent of Russia, so Russia invaded Chechnya with military force. In fact Russia used carpet bombing which killed a lot of civilians.
Russia likes to claim that the people of Crimea had a right to vote and leave Ukraine.
Except when the shoe was on the other foot and Chechnya wanted to leave Russia, the Russians would not allow it and committed some pretty heinous crimes in the process of forcing Chechnya to remain.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chechen_War
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War
Not unlike our war between the states??
Sorry, entirely different situation. In an odd way long ago Confederate wrote about this. (the war between the States)
So, you are saying that if all the Muslims in the US moved to, lets say Mississippi, and decided to form a califate that would be ok?
Errrm no. That's not what happened. Think of what happened in Syria. Much the :pointlaugh: same process occurred. :pointlaugh:
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Or Russia will invade tiny Chechnya.
Explain how Russia can or will invade Chechnya. I thought Chechnya was part of Russia. Kind of like the US invading Puerto Rico.
That’s simple. Chechnya wanted to leave Russia and become independent. Sort of like when Crimea wanted to leave Ukraine (allegedly) and join Russia.
Russia didn’t want to acknowledge that Chechnya had declared themselves free and independent of Russia, so Russia invaded Chechnya with military force. In fact Russia used carpet bombing which killed a lot of civilians.
Russia likes to claim that the people of Crimea had a right to vote and leave Ukraine.
Except when the shoe was on the other foot and Chechnya wanted to leave Russia, the Russians would not allow it and committed some pretty heinous crimes in the process of forcing Chechnya to remain.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chechen_War
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War
Not unlike our war between the states??
Sorry, entirely different situation. In an odd way long ago Confederate wrote about this. (the war between the States)
So, you are saying that if all the Muslims in the US moved to, lets say Mississippi, and decided to form a califate that would be ok?
Nice try but not a valid comparison. Enormous differences. Our Muslims are recent arrivals. In order to become citizens they must learn American history and swear allegiance to the Constitution of the USA.
In the case of Chechnya those people were there for hundreds of years or perhaps a thousand years. Prior to the formation of the Soviet Union they were part of an independent country. They were forced into a “shotgun marriage” with the Russian Soviet Republic. Upon the dissolution of the Soviet they wanted to go back to being independent.
Russia said no, and if you resist we’ll eliminate you like we starved or killed resistors throughout the history of Soviet Communism.
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People
“Chechnya’s main ethnic group is the Chechens, with minorities of Russians and Ingush. The Chechens and the Ingush are both Muslim and are two of the many Caucasian mountain peoples whose language belongs to the Nakh group. Fiercely independent, the Chechens and other Caucasian tribes mounted a prolonged resistance to Russian conquest from the 1830s through the ’50s under the Muslim leader Shāmil. They remained successful while the Russians were occupied with the Crimean War, but the Russians used larger forces in their later campaigns, and, when Shāmil was captured in 1859, many of his followers migrated to Armenia. The Terek River remained a defensive frontier until the 1860s. The constant skirmishes of Chechens and Russians along the Terek form the background to Leo Tolstoy’s novel The Cossacks.“
source: Encyclopedia Britannica
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Or Russia will invade tiny Chechnya.
Explain how Russia can or will invade Chechnya. I thought Chechnya was part of Russia. Kind of like the US invading Puerto Rico.
That’s simple. Chechnya wanted to leave Russia and become independent. Sort of like when Crimea wanted to leave Ukraine (allegedly) and join Russia.
Russia didn’t want to acknowledge that Chechnya had declared themselves free and independent of Russia, so Russia invaded Chechnya with military force. In fact Russia used carpet bombing which killed a lot of civilians.
Russia likes to claim that the people of Crimea had a right to vote and leave Ukraine.
Except when the shoe was on the other foot and Chechnya wanted to leave Russia, the Russians would not allow it and committed some pretty heinous crimes in the process of forcing Chechnya to remain.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chechen_War
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War
Not unlike our war between the states??
Sorry, entirely different situation. In an odd way long ago Confederate wrote about this. (the war between the States)
So, you are saying that if all the Muslims in the US moved to, lets say Mississippi, and decided to form a califate that would be ok?
Nice try but not a valid comparison. Enormous differences. Our Muslims are recent arrivals. In order to become citizens they must learn American history and swear allegiance to the Constitution of the USA.
In the case of Chechnya those people were there for hundreds of years or perhaps a thousand years. Prior to the formation of the Soviet Union they were part of an independent country. They were forced into a “shotgun marriage” with the Russian Soviet Republic. Upon the dissolution of the Soviet they wanted to go back to being independent.
Russia said no, and if you resist we’ll eliminate you like we starved or killed resistors throughout the history of Soviet Communism.
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People
“Chechnya’s main ethnic group is the Chechens, with minorities of Russians and Ingush. The Chechens and the Ingush are both Muslim and are two of the many Caucasian mountain peoples whose language belongs to the Nakh group. Fiercely independent, the Chechens and other Caucasian tribes mounted a prolonged resistance to Russian conquest from the 1830s through the ’50s under the Muslim leader Shāmil. They remained successful while the Russians were occupied with the Crimean War, but the Russians used larger forces in their later campaigns, and, when Shāmil was captured in 1859, many of his followers migrated to Armenia. The Terek River remained a defensive frontier until the 1860s. The constant skirmishes of Chechens and Russians along the Terek form the background to Leo Tolstoy’s novel The Cossacks.“
source: Encyclopedia Britannica
then all of the Americas (north, south and central) should be returned to the natives.
Only your examples are valid in your arguments (and I do mean arguments). You leave nothing but your thoughts as valid discrediting everything others have to say..Quote
Or Russia will invade tiny Chechnya.
Explain how Russia can or will invade Chechnya. I thought Chechnya was part of Russia. Kind of like the US invading Puerto Rico.
That’s simple. Chechnya wanted to leave Russia and become independent. Sort of like when Crimea wanted to leave Ukraine (allegedly) and join Russia.
Russia didn’t want to acknowledge that Chechnya had declared themselves free and independent of Russia, so Russia invaded Chechnya with military force. In fact Russia used carpet bombing which killed a lot of civilians.
Russia likes to claim that the people of Crimea had a right to vote and leave Ukraine.
Except when the shoe was on the other foot and Chechnya wanted to leave Russia, the Russians would not allow it and committed some pretty heinous crimes in the process of forcing Chechnya to remain.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chechen_War
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War
Not unlike our war between the states??
Sorry, entirely different situation. In an odd way long ago Confederate wrote about this. (the war between the States)
So, you are saying that if all the Muslims in the US moved to, lets say Mississippi, and decided to form a califate that would be ok?
Nice try but not a valid comparison. Enormous differences. Our Muslims are recent arrivals. In order to become citizens they must learn American history and swear allegiance to the Constitution of the USA.
In the case of Chechnya those people were there for hundreds of years or perhaps a thousand years. Prior to the formation of the Soviet Union they were part of an independent country. They were forced into a “shotgun marriage” with the Russian Soviet Republic. Upon the dissolution of the Soviet they wanted to go back to being independent.
Russia said no, and if you resist we’ll eliminate you like we starved or killed resistors throughout the history of Soviet Communism.
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People
“Chechnya’s main ethnic group is the Chechens, with minorities of Russians and Ingush. The Chechens and the Ingush are both Muslim and are two of the many Caucasian mountain peoples whose language belongs to the Nakh group. Fiercely independent, the Chechens and other Caucasian tribes mounted a prolonged resistance to Russian conquest from the 1830s through the ’50s under the Muslim leader Shāmil. They remained successful while the Russians were occupied with the Crimean War, but the Russians used larger forces in their later campaigns, and, when Shāmil was captured in 1859, many of his followers migrated to Armenia. The Terek River remained a defensive frontier until the 1860s. The constant skirmishes of Chechens and Russians along the Terek form the background to Leo Tolstoy’s novel The Cossacks.“
source: Encyclopedia Britannica
then all of the Americas (north, south and central) should be returned to the natives.
You are so full of it.
All you’ve got are cute one liners. No substance, no thought.
Someone else can attempt to enlighten you. You apparently have no ability to read links and learn historical context. I imagine it would be similar to trying to discuss history with a two year old. :chuckle:
Only your examples are valid in your arguments (and I do mean arguments). You leave nothing but your thoughts as valid discrediting everything others have to say..Quote
Or Russia will invade tiny Chechnya.
Explain how Russia can or will invade Chechnya. I thought Chechnya was part of Russia. Kind of like the US invading Puerto Rico.
That’s simple. Chechnya wanted to leave Russia and become independent. Sort of like when Crimea wanted to leave Ukraine (allegedly) and join Russia.
Russia didn’t want to acknowledge that Chechnya had declared themselves free and independent of Russia, so Russia invaded Chechnya with military force. In fact Russia used carpet bombing which killed a lot of civilians.
Russia likes to claim that the people of Crimea had a right to vote and leave Ukraine.
Except when the shoe was on the other foot and Chechnya wanted to leave Russia, the Russians would not allow it and committed some pretty heinous crimes in the process of forcing Chechnya to remain.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chechen_War
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War
Not unlike our war between the states??
Sorry, entirely different situation. In an odd way long ago Confederate wrote about this. (the war between the States)
So, you are saying that if all the Muslims in the US moved to, lets say Mississippi, and decided to form a califate that would be ok?
Nice try but not a valid comparison. Enormous differences. Our Muslims are recent arrivals. In order to become citizens they must learn American history and swear allegiance to the Constitution of the USA.
In the case of Chechnya those people were there for hundreds of years or perhaps a thousand years. Prior to the formation of the Soviet Union they were part of an independent country. They were forced into a “shotgun marriage” with the Russian Soviet Republic. Upon the dissolution of the Soviet they wanted to go back to being independent.
Russia said no, and if you resist we’ll eliminate you like we starved or killed resistors throughout the history of Soviet Communism.
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People
“Chechnya’s main ethnic group is the Chechens, with minorities of Russians and Ingush. The Chechens and the Ingush are both Muslim and are two of the many Caucasian mountain peoples whose language belongs to the Nakh group. Fiercely independent, the Chechens and other Caucasian tribes mounted a prolonged resistance to Russian conquest from the 1830s through the ’50s under the Muslim leader Shāmil. They remained successful while the Russians were occupied with the Crimean War, but the Russians used larger forces in their later campaigns, and, when Shāmil was captured in 1859, many of his followers migrated to Armenia. The Terek River remained a defensive frontier until the 1860s. The constant skirmishes of Chechens and Russians along the Terek form the background to Leo Tolstoy’s novel The Cossacks.“
source: Encyclopedia Britannica
then all of the Americas (north, south and central) should be returned to the natives.
You are so full of it.
All you’ve got are cute one liners. No substance, no thought.
Someone else can attempt to enlighten you. You apparently have no ability to read links and learn historical context. I imagine it would be similar to trying to discuss history with a two year old. :chuckle:
Only your examples are valid in your arguments (and I do mean arguments). You leave nothing but your thoughts as valid discrediting everything others have to say..Quote
Or Russia will invade tiny Chechnya.
Explain how Russia can or will invade Chechnya. I thought Chechnya was part of Russia. Kind of like the US invading Puerto Rico.
That’s simple. Chechnya wanted to leave Russia and become independent. Sort of like when Crimea wanted to leave Ukraine (allegedly) and join Russia.
Russia didn’t want to acknowledge that Chechnya had declared themselves free and independent of Russia, so Russia invaded Chechnya with military force. In fact Russia used carpet bombing which killed a lot of civilians.
Russia likes to claim that the people of Crimea had a right to vote and leave Ukraine.
Except when the shoe was on the other foot and Chechnya wanted to leave Russia, the Russians would not allow it and committed some pretty heinous crimes in the process of forcing Chechnya to remain.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Chechen_War
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War
Not unlike our war between the states??
Sorry, entirely different situation. In an odd way long ago Confederate wrote about this. (the war between the States)
So, you are saying that if all the Muslims in the US moved to, lets say Mississippi, and decided to form a califate that would be ok?
Nice try but not a valid comparison. Enormous differences. Our Muslims are recent arrivals. In order to become citizens they must learn American history and swear allegiance to the Constitution of the USA.
In the case of Chechnya those people were there for hundreds of years or perhaps a thousand years. Prior to the formation of the Soviet Union they were part of an independent country. They were forced into a “shotgun marriage” with the Russian Soviet Republic. Upon the dissolution of the Soviet they wanted to go back to being independent.
Russia said no, and if you resist we’ll eliminate you like we starved or killed resistors throughout the history of Soviet Communism.
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People
“Chechnya’s main ethnic group is the Chechens, with minorities of Russians and Ingush. The Chechens and the Ingush are both Muslim and are two of the many Caucasian mountain peoples whose language belongs to the Nakh group. Fiercely independent, the Chechens and other Caucasian tribes mounted a prolonged resistance to Russian conquest from the 1830s through the ’50s under the Muslim leader Shāmil. They remained successful while the Russians were occupied with the Crimean War, but the Russians used larger forces in their later campaigns, and, when Shāmil was captured in 1859, many of his followers migrated to Armenia. The Terek River remained a defensive frontier until the 1860s. The constant skirmishes of Chechens and Russians along the Terek form the background to Leo Tolstoy’s novel The Cossacks.“
source: Encyclopedia Britannica
then all of the Americas (north, south and central) should be returned to the natives.
You are so full of it.
All you’ve got are cute one liners. No substance, no thought.
Someone else can attempt to enlighten you. You apparently have no ability to read links and learn historical context. I imagine it would be similar to trying to discuss history with a two year old. :chuckle:
You’re not making any effort whatsoever and those aren’t really your own thoughts.
All you’re are doing is repeating Russian propaganda talking points. You’re not really interested in making an effort and making rebuttals of each point I make.
Above I posted a link to an article by Ann Applebaum. She’s a very good writer and the author of the book Gulag.
It’s an excellent article about the history of how Russia has treated the Chechen people. Interested persons might enjoy it and get some enlightenment out of it.
In regards to your silly statement that North, South and Central America be returned to the natives: You and the Russian propagandist who wrote that knows very well that we’re not going to go back in time 150 years, 200 years or 300 years and return Empires.
Both Russia and the USA went thru similar phases of expanding and displacing or killing natives during that conquest period.
Rational people are circumspect of the context of different time periods.
The USA and most Western countries in many ways have advanced while Russia chooses to maintain an 18th or 19th Century mindset.
Unlike many or most Americans I don’t care for US foreign policy in the Middle East. However the allegation made by Manny is that we lost the war in Iraq. We didn’t lose that war, the US achieved certain objectives and maintains a base there.
Others have a lot more to say than you do and I don’t discredit everything they have to say either. Agree with some of it and disagree with some of it.
Now it’s your turn to copy and paste a pithy one liner from RT or Russian Insider. ;D
^Why would American Indians resort to violence? Unlike the Russians we don’t send military special forces onto reservations to kidnap and murder their men and to rape young women. Unlike the Russians we don’t carpet bomb them causing the deaths of thousands of their people.
Unlike in Chechnya an American Indian reservation is a safe secure place, run by tribal elders and patrolled by Indians who have their own Police force.
In California and other states Indian tribes have been awarded the right to open large gambling casinos on tribal land and each member of the tribe has become a Millionaire. Been to PALA for example and met some of the younger guys who just happened to be millionaires.
Not every tribe does as well as PALA and some others but they have an opportunity that other Americans don’t have, as they should.
Character assassination? You mean like the official Russian policy of labeling opponents with racist or other derogatory names and repeating ad nauseum on the news by politicians and others?
Ukrainians are Nazi’s. Repeat it a million times and someone will believe it. Chechens are “blacks” or “bandits” or “terrorists” (in Russian lexicon the aggressor invading is patriot and the native defending is terrorist).
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But why should I or anyone need to make either argument? Given the history of this part of the world, it is not the Chechens who need to be defended from racist insults, but the Russians who need to explain the hubris that allows them to speak of the Chechens in anything but embarrassed and apologetic tones. For the Russians have reduced the Chechens to the status of "bandit state" before, and for similar reasons. Before one group of people can feel itself justified in destroying another, it is first necessary to remove its humanity. First you say, "they are not like us." Then you say, "they are not like us, and they cannot live among us." From there, it is a very short step to say, "they are not like us; they cannot live among us; therefore, they cannot live."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.weeklystandard.com/anne-applebaum/ethnic-cleansing-russian-style%3f_amp=true
Chechnya has been 'pacified', although that is hardly the right term to use in this context. What most people, particularly those who consume US entertainment media do not know about is what actually went on over there and, to be sure, it was a nasty, unpleasant, time with bad things happening involving all the stakeholders. This tiny post is not going to explain all the stuff that went down, or why stuff happened, apart from in the most general sense but hopefully give those who are interested something that they can go and do some of their own research upon. Suffice it to say that the propaganda that most have received is not accurate, but reflects programming by your masters so that you have an emotional response rather than an objective one.
In very brief terms, the Chechen state and Russia had been unable to agree upon terms for continuing to remain as part of the Russian Federation. It was not a case, initially at least, of Chechnya wanting to be independent. That came with the revolt led by a small number of revolutionaries. What was not generally known at the time was that these 'revolutionaries' were being supported and encouraged by external forces including the U.S, UK, and Saudi Arabia. For more information and context see here: http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=2323, In essence, this was a continuation of activities that had already taken place in the Balkans.
There was a good reason for wanting to split Chechnya away from the RF - oil pipelines. That's a common theme in the region and was, as might be news for some, the reason for U.S interference in Afghanistan and more recently Syria.
The Russians, at the time, were much weakened, indeed, there was a real concern that Russia itself could not continue as a contiguous state. As a result, the negotiations with the Chechen leadership were not handled well and the military response to the Dudaev insurgency was very badly handled. The weakness led to defeats by the Russian forces called in to deal with the events in Grozny and, as might be expected in a power vacuum, opportunists, including foreign Wahabist forces arrived in Chechnya. The poor response of the Russian military led to more support for the insurgents which then solidified around demands for independence. I think it is fair to say that in the circumstances such a reaction was not unexpected. The conflict was, to a large degree, ended by a peace treaty between Russia and the Chechens. Both the Chechen government and Russian governments were weak and did not have full control over the territory of the country and the Wahabist fighters were never fully defeated or reintegrated which led to the second war.
The second war occurred when Wahabist fighters crossed from Chechnya into Dagestan and declared an independent Islamic state, similarly to the Islamic State (IS) in Syria. It was inevitable that Russia could not allow this to happen, it was not wanted by Dagestanis and threatened the whole country.
The second war ran from 1999 to 2009 and was conducted by a mixture of Russian and Chechen forces against the insurgents.
Obviously, this is a very brief piece, books have been written. However, the point to make is that the Chechen wars were not what most believe. This was not a homegrown revolution and what happened was, largely, due to the weakness of the central and state governments of the time. As we can see from Syria and elsewhere, lessons have been learned and it is now much harder for foreign powers to overthrow governments than it used to be; Libya might be the last case, for a while at least.
Chechnya has been 'pacified', although that is hardly the right term to use in this context. What most people, particularly those who consume US entertainment media do not know about is what actually went on over there and, to be sure, it was a nasty, unpleasant, time with bad things happening involving all the stakeholders. This tiny post is not going to explain all the stuff that went down, or why stuff happened, apart from in the most general sense but hopefully give those who are interested something that they can go and do some of their own research upon. Suffice it to say that the propaganda that most have received is not accurate, but reflects programming by your masters so that you have an emotional response rather than an objective one.
In very brief terms, the Chechen state and Russia had been unable to agree upon terms for continuing to remain as part of the Russian Federation. It was not a case, initially at least, of Chechnya wanting to be independent. That came with the revolt led by a small number of revolutionaries. What was not generally known at the time was that these 'revolutionaries' were being supported and encouraged by external forces including the U.S, UK, and Saudi Arabia. For more information and context see here: http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=2323, In essence, this was a continuation of activities that had already taken place in the Balkans.
There was a good reason for wanting to split Chechnya away from the RF - oil pipelines. That's a common theme in the region and was, as might be news for some, the reason for U.S interference in Afghanistan and more recently Syria.
The Russians, at the time, were much weakened, indeed, there was a real concern that Russia itself could not continue as a contiguous state. As a result, the negotiations with the Chechen leadership were not handled well and the military response to the Dudaev insurgency was very badly handled. The weakness led to defeats by the Russian forces called in to deal with the events in Grozny and, as might be expected in a power vacuum, opportunists, including foreign Wahabist forces arrived in Chechnya. The poor response of the Russian military led to more support for the insurgents which then solidified around demands for independence. I think it is fair to say that in the circumstances such a reaction was not unexpected. The conflict was, to a large degree, ended by a peace treaty between Russia and the Chechens. Both the Chechen government and Russian governments were weak and did not have full control over the territory of the country and the Wahabist fighters were never fully defeated or reintegrated which led to the second war.
The second war occurred when Wahabist fighters crossed from Chechnya into Dagestan and declared an independent Islamic state, similarly to the Islamic State (IS) in Syria. It was inevitable that Russia could not allow this to happen, it was not wanted by Dagestanis and threatened the whole country.
The second war ran from 1999 to 2009 and was conducted by a mixture of Russian and Chechen forces against the insurgents.
Obviously, this is a very brief piece, books have been written. However, the point to make is that the Chechen wars were not what most believe. This was not a homegrown revolution and what happened was, largely, due to the weakness of the central and state governments of the time. As we can see from Syria and elsewhere, lessons have been learned and it is now much harder for foreign powers to overthrow governments than it used to be; Libya might be the last case, for a while at least.
Thanks Andrewfi, I was aware of most of this but did not want to confuse Confederate.
What a surprise. Pro-Russian apologists blame external forces instead of acknowledging the ethnic-centric Russian “us versus them” our Soviet way or the graveyard mentality. :coffeeread:
Chechnya has been 'pacified', although that is hardly the right term to use in this context. What most people, particularly those who consume US entertainment media do not know about is what actually went on over there and, to be sure, it was a nasty, unpleasant, time with bad things happening involving all the stakeholders. This tiny post is not going to explain all the stuff that went down, or why stuff happened, apart from in the most general sense but hopefully give those who are interested something that they can go and do some of their own research upon. Suffice it to say that the propaganda that most have received is not accurate, but reflects programming by your masters so that you have an emotional response rather than an objective one.
In very brief terms, the Chechen state and Russia had been unable to agree upon terms for continuing to remain as part of the Russian Federation. It was not a case, initially at least, of Chechnya wanting to be independent. That came with the revolt led by a small number of revolutionaries. What was not generally known at the time was that these 'revolutionaries' were being supported and encouraged by external forces including the U.S, UK, and Saudi Arabia. For more information and context see here: http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=2323, In essence, this was a continuation of activities that had already taken place in the Balkans.
There was a good reason for wanting to split Chechnya away from the RF - oil pipelines. That's a common theme in the region and was, as might be news for some, the reason for U.S interference in Afghanistan and more recently Syria.
The Russians, at the time, were much weakened, indeed, there was a real concern that Russia itself could not continue as a contiguous state. As a result, the negotiations with the Chechen leadership were not handled well and the military response to the Dudaev insurgency was very badly handled. The weakness led to defeats by the Russian forces called in to deal with the events in Grozny and, as might be expected in a power vacuum, opportunists, including foreign Wahabist forces arrived in Chechnya. The poor response of the Russian military led to more support for the insurgents which then solidified around demands for independence. I think it is fair to say that in the circumstances such a reaction was not unexpected. The conflict was, to a large degree, ended by a peace treaty between Russia and the Chechens. Both the Chechen government and Russian governments were weak and did not have full control over the territory of the country and the Wahabist fighters were never fully defeated or reintegrated which led to the second war.
The second war occurred when Wahabist fighters crossed from Chechnya into Dagestan and declared an independent Islamic state, similarly to the Islamic State (IS) in Syria. It was inevitable that Russia could not allow this to happen, it was not wanted by Dagestanis and threatened the whole country.
The second war ran from 1999 to 2009 and was conducted by a mixture of Russian and Chechen forces against the insurgents.
Obviously, this is a very brief piece, books have been written. However, the point to make is that the Chechen wars were not what most believe. This was not a homegrown revolution and what happened was, largely, due to the weakness of the central and state governments of the time. As we can see from Syria and elsewhere, lessons have been learned and it is now much harder for foreign powers to overthrow governments than it used to be; Libya might be the last case, for a while at least.
Thanks Andrewfi, I was aware of most of this but did not want to confuse Confederate.
You’re not capable of confusing anyone. You’re only able to repeat catchy one-liners you’ve been enticed with.
Now back on topic:
Hopefully this isn’t the year Armageddon begins.
Hopefully TPTB will wait another 50 to 100 years.
The entire forum must be simple-minded because in fact you’ve never shown any capacity to make a real argument with sources and a few paragraphs of thoughtful opinions. Why start now? Lazy people rarely change.
The entire forum must be simple-minded because in fact you’ve never shown any capacity to make a real argument with sources and a few paragraphs of thoughtful opinions. Why start now? Lazy people rarely change.
Congratulations Confederate. It is true that I have never shown any capacity to make a real argument because I avoid arguments here (they serve no purpose)! There maybe hope for you yet! I have been on this site for about 5 years and it took you that long to figure that out!
Moby likes to criticize Andrew and while I sometimes disagree with Andrew I admire his intellect and tenacity.
What If Iran Retaliates and Shuts Down the Strait of Hormuz?
or he is just incredibly ignorant of America’s recent history of losing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
What a surprise. Pro-Russian apologists blame external forces instead of acknowledging the ethnic-centric Russian “us versus them” our Soviet way or the graveyard mentality. :coffeeread:
Moby likes to criticize Andrew and while I sometimes disagree with Andrew I admire his intellect and tenacity.
I sometimes admire Andrew also. Funny, I never felt that way about you.
What If Iran Retaliates and Shuts Down the Strait of Hormuz?
It would be re-opened the moment that the US decided to re-open it. Simples.or he is just incredibly ignorant of America’s recent history of losing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Go ask Saddam and OBL who won in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Oh, right. They are "unavailable for comment." :ROFL:What a surprise. Pro-Russian apologists blame external forces instead of acknowledging the ethnic-centric Russian “us versus them” our Soviet way or the graveyard mentality. :coffeeread:
There are a few "Johnny One-Notes" on the board who will, with little prompting, sing their one-note song anti-American twaddle. They remind me, in a slightly less pathetic way, of the folks who, when they could deny reality no more, changed their tune to "Just because communism lost doesn't mean capitalism won!"
Well, yes, actually, it does. Under socialism, people line up, waiting for bread; under capitalism, bread is lined up waiting for people.
At any rate, Trump is not part of the Swamp. He is a friend of our military and has not shown any interest in getting involved in wars on behalf of the Swamp.
I had a brief convo with him in the buffet line at Mar a Lago shortly after the bit with Syria. I asked about his redistribution of cruise missiles to needy countries. Here's what he said:
"Oh that? That rain of death from above? I had to send a message. No chemical weapon attacks. Those are the rules, and I like it when people follow the rules. Try the crème brûlée, it's fantastic."
Thus, unless Iran does something extremely foolish and plays within their limits, their limits will not be further limited.
B/B
Go ask Saddam and OBL who won in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Oh, right. They are "unavailable for comment." :ROFL:
I had a brief convo with him in the buffet line at Mar a Lago shortly after the bit with Syria. I asked about his redistribution of cruise missiles to needy countries. Here's what he said:
"Oh that? That rain of death from above? I had to send a message. No chemical weapon attacks. Those are the rules, and I like it when people follow the rules. Try the crème brûlée, it's fantastic."
What If Iran Retaliates and Shuts Down the Strait of Hormuz?
It would be re-opened the moment that the US decided to re-open it. Simples.or he is just incredibly ignorant of America’s recent history of losing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Go ask Saddam and OBL who won in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Oh, right. They are "unavailable for comment." :ROFL:What a surprise. Pro-Russian apologists blame external forces instead of acknowledging the ethnic-centric Russian “us versus them” our Soviet way or the graveyard mentality. :coffeeread:
There are a few "Johnny One-Notes" on the board who will, with little prompting, sing their one-note song anti-American twaddle. They remind me, in a slightly less pathetic way, of the folks who, when they could deny reality no more, changed their tune to "Just because communism lost doesn't mean capitalism won!"
Well, yes, actually, it does. Under socialism, people line up, waiting for bread; under capitalism, bread is lined up waiting for people.
At any rate, Trump is not part of the Swamp. He is a friend of our military and has not shown any interest in getting involved in wars on behalf of the Swamp.
I had a brief convo with him in the buffet line at Mar a Lago shortly after the bit with Syria. I asked about his redistribution of cruise missiles to needy countries. Here's what he said:
"Oh that? That rain of death from above? I had to send a message. No chemical weapon attacks. Those are the rules, and I like it when people follow the rules. Try the crème brûlée, it's fantastic."
Thus, unless Iran does something extremely foolish and plays within their limits, their limits will not be further limited.
B/B
What If Iran Retaliates and Shuts Down the Strait of Hormuz?
It would be re-opened the moment that the US decided to re-open it. Simples.or he is just incredibly ignorant of America’s recent history of losing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Go ask Saddam and OBL who won in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Oh, right. They are "unavailable for comment." :ROFL:What a surprise. Pro-Russian apologists blame external forces instead of acknowledging the ethnic-centric Russian “us versus them” our Soviet way or the graveyard mentality. :coffeeread:
There are a few "Johnny One-Notes" on the board who will, with little prompting, sing their one-note song anti-American twaddle. They remind me, in a slightly less pathetic way, of the folks who, when they could deny reality no more, changed their tune to "Just because communism lost doesn't mean capitalism won!"
Well, yes, actually, it does. Under socialism, people line up, waiting for bread; under capitalism, bread is lined up waiting for people.
At any rate, Trump is not part of the Swamp. He is a friend of our military and has not shown any interest in getting involved in wars on behalf of the Swamp.
I had a brief convo with him in the buffet line at Mar a Lago shortly after the bit with Syria. I asked about his redistribution of cruise missiles to needy countries. Here's what he said:
"Oh that? That rain of death from above? I had to send a message. No chemical weapon attacks. Those are the rules, and I like it when people follow the rules. Try the crème brûlée, it's fantastic."
Thus, unless Iran does something extremely foolish and plays within their limits, their limits will not be further limited.
B/B
Go ask Saddam and OBL who won in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Oh, right. They are "unavailable for comment."
Put your money where your mouth is? Go invade Russia or China..? naaaaaaaa dont want to do that do you? :ROFL:
What If Iran Retaliates and Shuts Down the Strait of Hormuz?
It would be re-opened the moment that the US decided to re-open it. Simples.or he is just incredibly ignorant of America’s recent history of losing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Go ask Saddam and OBL who won in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Oh, right. They are "unavailable for comment." :ROFL:What a surprise. Pro-Russian apologists blame external forces instead of acknowledging the ethnic-centric Russian “us versus them” our Soviet way or the graveyard mentality. :coffeeread:
There are a few "Johnny One-Notes" on the board who will, with little prompting, sing their one-note song anti-American twaddle. They remind me, in a slightly less pathetic way, of the folks who, when they could deny reality no more, changed their tune to "Just because communism lost doesn't mean capitalism won!"
Well, yes, actually, it does. Under socialism, people line up, waiting for bread; under capitalism, bread is lined up waiting for people.
At any rate, Trump is not part of the Swamp. He is a friend of our military and has not shown any interest in getting involved in wars on behalf of the Swamp.
I had a brief convo with him in the buffet line at Mar a Lago shortly after the bit with Syria. I asked about his redistribution of cruise missiles to needy countries. Here's what he said:
"Oh that? That rain of death from above? I had to send a message. No chemical weapon attacks. Those are the rules, and I like it when people follow the rules. Try the crème brûlée, it's fantastic."
Thus, unless Iran does something extremely foolish and plays within their limits, their limits will not be further limited.
B/B
Go ask Saddam and OBL who won in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Oh, right. They are "unavailable for comment."
Put your money where your mouth is? Go invade Russia or China..? naaaaaaaa dont want to do that do you? :ROFL:
That goes both ways Steveboy.
Russia and China won’t take their chances invading the USA anytime soon either. :coffeeread:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49053383 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49053383)
British-flagged oil tanker has been seized in the Gulf by Iranian Revolutionary Guard, Iran media say
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49053383 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49053383)
British-flagged oil tanker has been seized in the Gulf by Iranian Revolutionary Guard, Iran media say
They've seized two of them
Iran's Revolutionary Guard seizes two UK-operated tankers in Strait of Hormuz
https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-revolutionary-guard-two-uk-tankers-strait-of-hormuz
Put your money where your mouth is? Go invade Russia or China..? naaaaaaaa dont want to do that do you? :ROFL:
That goes both ways Steveboy.
Russia and China won’t take their chances invading the USA anytime soon either. :coffeeread:
But Russia has had a war on its home land recently, just like most of Europe.. we are used to having bombs dropped on our houses by the Germans recently...London was blitzed just like many other places..
The US has never been blitzed can you imagine New York being bombed night after night by the Russians or any one else..
.....
How the hell would they manage being bombed night after night after night after night for a few years????
Israel being the only nation which attacked a US Navy vessel and killed over 30 sailors and wounded over a hundred, without a US response (USS Liberty).
Israel being the only nation which attacked a US Navy vessel and killed over 30 sailors and wounded over a hundred, without a US response (USS Liberty).
Should America go to war over that or is no response a good thing?
Put your money where your mouth is? Go invade Russia or China..? naaaaaaaa dont want to do that do you? :ROFL:
To prove what, exactly? :coffeeread:
That goes both ways Steveboy.
Russia and China won’t take their chances invading the USA anytime soon either. :coffeeread:
I still find the premise odd. Sort of a "My dad can beat up your dad" thing, maybe?But Russia has had a war on its home land recently, just like most of Europe.. we are used to having bombs dropped on our houses by the Germans recently...London was blitzed just like many other places..
Recently? I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Remind me when the last bombs fell on London?
Would would have to be in one's 80s to have any meaningful memory of it.The US has never been blitzed can you imagine New York being bombed night after night by the Russians or any one else..
.....
How the hell would they manage being bombed night after night after night after night for a few years????
Who exactly has this capability? ???
And odd that you should mention it, because 9-11, which most people alive have a memory of, is why OBL got snuffed. Took a while to find him, but he went from basically being in charge of a country to being in charge of a cave.
At any rate, the narrative about how the US "lost" Iraq and Afghanistan is one of necessity for the Anti-US crowd. Sure, it isn't true, but it must be, so it is.
Meanwhile, it seems that No Longer So Great Britain is having some difficulties with Iran. I wonder if the lads on the tankers got to keep their iPads?
I would not be at all surprised if Trump rides to the rescue - as American presidents so often have to do for Little Britain - just so he can make HM Government eat the whole crap sammich and tell him how good it tastes. :chuckle:
B/B
What's the posters from the UK think about two British ships tankers seized by Iran? Does the UK deserve it and do nothing?
What does Iran say?
Iran's foreign minister Javad Zarif tweeted that the UK "must cease being an accessory to #EconomicTerrorism of the US".
He said it was Iran that guarantees the security of the Gulf and the Strait of Hormuz.
"Unlike the piracy in the Strait of Gibraltar, our action in the Persian Gulf is to uphold international maritime rules," he said.
Abbasali Kadkhodaei, spokesman of the state watchdog the Guardian Council, said on Twitter that "the law of retaliation is a recognised concept in international law" shortly after the ship's seizure was announced.
Israel being the only nation which attacked a US Navy vessel and killed over 30 sailors and wounded over a hundred, without a US response (USS Liberty).
Should America go to war over that or is no response a good thing?
What If Iran Retaliates and Shuts Down the Strait of Hormuz?
It would be re-opened the moment that the US decided to re-open it. Simples.or he is just incredibly ignorant of America’s recent history of losing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Go ask Saddam and OBL who won in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Oh, right. They are "unavailable for comment." :ROFL:What a surprise. Pro-Russian apologists blame external forces instead of acknowledging the ethnic-centric Russian “us versus them” our Soviet way or the graveyard mentality. :coffeeread:
There are a few "Johnny One-Notes" on the board who will, with little prompting, sing their one-note song anti-American twaddle. They remind me, in a slightly less pathetic way, of the folks who, when they could deny reality no more, changed their tune to "Just because communism lost doesn't mean capitalism won!"
Well, yes, actually, it does. Under socialism, people line up, waiting for bread; under capitalism, bread is lined up waiting for people.
At any rate, Trump is not part of the Swamp. He is a friend of our military and has not shown any interest in getting involved in wars on behalf of the Swamp.
I had a brief convo with him in the buffet line at Mar a Lago shortly after the bit with Syria. I asked about his redistribution of cruise missiles to needy countries. Here's what he said:
"Oh that? That rain of death from above? I had to send a message. No chemical weapon attacks. Those are the rules, and I like it when people follow the rules. Try the crème brûlée, it's fantastic."
Thus, unless Iran does something extremely foolish and plays within their limits, their limits will not be further limited.
B/B
Go ask Saddam and OBL who won in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Oh, right. They are "unavailable for comment."
Put your money where your mouth is? Go invade Russia or China..? naaaaaaaa dont want to do that do you? :ROFL:
That goes both ways Steveboy.
Russia and China won’t take their chances invading the USA anytime soon either. :coffeeread:
Yes I agree.. But Russia has had a war on its home land recently, just like most of Europe.. we are used to having bombs dropped on our houses by the Germans recently...London was blitzed just like many other places..
The US has never been blitzed can you imagine New York being bombed night after night by the Russians or any one else..
Remember what happened to the US sailors who got taken by the Iranians a few years back? Crying cos they could not have their I Pads?
And remember half of the US is visiting a shrink most weeks.. :laugh:
How the hell would they manage being bombed night after night after night after night for a few years????
Don't think Tom Cruise will be able to help..
Not tit for tat.
The British ship had turned off its transponder, was running out of the course assigned to it, refused to respond to the relevant maritime authorities and was thus hauled over.
One might question whether the ship would have behaved as it did in other circumstances - perhaps, as with other vessels recently, it was acting as a decoy or trap. From what we know of the case, the Iranian coast guard made the right call. What would the British coast guard do if any ship travelled through the English Channel in this way, a similarly crowded and heavily monitored waterway?
Had the British ship run down a smaller vessel while off course it would have caused a catastrophe. Guess who would have been blamed? Iran for not managing their waters properly.
Oh, it is worse than I thought. Above I wrote about the problems caused by being out of their designated path. Well, it now seems there was a problem, the ship had an accident with a local fishing vessel. The smaller vessel sent out distress calls but these were ignored by the British vessel - that's a big no-no!
The Stena Impero was accompanied by a British naval vessel and, given its other activities was probably acting as a target for Iranian action, but running down a fishing vessel was probably not part of the plan!
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-iran-tanker-zarif/detained-british-flagged-tanker-must-go-through-legal-process-iran-foreign-minister-idUKKCN1UF0G1
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-iran-tanker/iran-says-uk-flagged-tanker-was-in-accident-with-fishing-boat-and-ignored-distress-call-idUSKCN1UF03G
It's now one tanker. One was released.
We facilitated the seizure of an Iranian tanker off Gibraltar recently on behalf of the US (we shouldnt have done - not our business). It is still being held captive.
There are rules about these things. It seems the Stena Impero did not follow those rules with serious results. Fortunately nobody was killed or injured.
There are rules about these things. It seems the Stena Impero did not follow those rules with serious results. Fortunately nobody was killed or injured.
It's now one tanker. One was released.
We facilitated the seizure of an Iranian tanker off Gibraltar recently on behalf of the US (we shouldnt have done - not our business). It is still being held captive.
The British seized a tanker due to violations of an EU embargo of oil shipments to Syria. The tanker had paperwork that said it was owned by a company in Asia, carrying Iraqi oil and was flying the Panamanian flag. Why would Iran claim it?
With the problems in the Strait of Hormuz, why don't the UK send their warships to escort their tankers?
Iran's neighbors don't have the same problems Iran has.
Gibraltar denies that it was ordered to detain the vessel, which was carrying up to 2.1 million barrels of oil, but several diplomatic sources said the United States asked the United Kingdom to seize the vessel.
The UK is believed to have asked its US ally to initially refrain from making inflammatory public statements about the seizure of the Stena Impero by Iran as they sought a diplomatic solution to the crisis.
Donald Trump was noticeably muted in his immediate response and Mike Pompeo, the US secretary of state, said little in the immediate aftermath.
Jeremy Hunt, the foreign secretary, spoke with his counterpart Mike Pompeo, who was in Argentina, on Friday night. British and US officials continued to speak through the night on Friday. White House officials did not push back on reports that the UK conveyed a message to the US that it wanted to try to de-escalate the situation.
Mr Trump had already spoken to Boris Johnson on Thursday, although it was not clear whether they discussed Iran.
The following day, when asked about the Stena Impero, Mr Trump did not give his usual full-throated response to acts of Iranian aggression, instead saying he had "heard about it" and would "work with the UK"
We facilitated the seizure of an Iranian tanker off Gibraltar recently on behalf of the US (we shouldnt have done - not our business). It is still being held captive.
Iran claimed it as it was flying a Union Jack. Who owns the cargo is irrelevant.
Allegedly, the first Iranian tanker was carrying aviation fuel not covered by any sanctions. But I fail to see why it's our, the US or the EU's business to interfere in any business between Iran and Syria anyway. The request itself came from the US (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-tanker-gibraltar/gibraltar-extends-detention-of-iranian-tanker-for-a-month-idUSKCN1UE16I):QuoteGibraltar denies that it was ordered to detain the vessel, which was carrying up to 2.1 million barrels of oil, but several diplomatic sources said the United States asked the United Kingdom to seize the vessel.
We stuck our nose in at the request of the US and its backfired.
There's a video on RT of the tanker being apprehended by the Iranians: https://www.rt.com/news/464652-iran-british-tanker-video/
Billy read my post up thread for more complete information about what the Stena Impero was up to. Fuller knowledge brings fuller comprehension.
Billy read my post up thread for more complete information about what the Stena Impero was up to. Fuller knowledge brings fuller comprehension.
Billy read my post up thread for more complete information about what the Stena Impero was up to. Fuller knowledge brings fuller comprehension.
What you said is what Iran said happened. You trust Iran over your government? Think your government coordinating events ordering a British tanker to mow down a fishing boat and increase tensions? Every ship knows what's going on over there. Captains have their crew looking out for danger. Certainly with radar and extra lookouts, they would see a fishing boat in front of them. So the only possible explanation is your government told the ship to run over an Iranian flagged fishing boat on purpose. You believe that?
And you believe the USA should be the lapdog of Israel (who has Nukes but refuses to declare them) and stick our beak into Iran’s nuclear aspirations?
Economic sanctions are essentially an act of war. When the USA stops wasting time and money being the World Police than things will get back to normal.
Audio released of Iran telling British tanker they need to board for security reasons. No reason given they are being stopped for hitting a fishing boat or failed to help a fishing boat in distress. Maybe Iran will release audio with a different version? Doubt it.
https://news.yahoo.com/alter-course-dramatic-audio-released-141212732.htmlAnd you believe the USA should be the lapdog of Israel (who has Nukes but refuses to declare them) and stick our beak into Iran’s nuclear aspirations?
You believe USA is a lapdog to Israel, not me. My friend owns a gun. My enemies should not own a gun. That's the way the world works. Don't get upset about it.Economic sanctions are essentially an act of war. When the USA stops wasting time and money being the World Police than things will get back to normal.
If you quit shopping Walmart because they did you wrong you are going to let your friends know and tell them to stop doing business with Walmart. Is that an act of war?
Iran was friendly with America at one time. They changed and prefer Russia right now. They should be economically happy with their decision but they continue to lash out.
Billy read my post up thread for more complete information about what the Stena Impero was up to. Fuller knowledge brings fuller comprehension.
Those pesky Russians!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/sputniknews.com/amp/military/201907211076308820-of-course-its-russia-again-mi6-probes-if-russia-spoofed-gps-of-tanker-seized-by-irgc---reports/
but they continue to lash out.
Those pesky Russians!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/sputniknews.com/amp/military/201907211076308820-of-course-its-russia-again-mi6-probes-if-russia-spoofed-gps-of-tanker-seized-by-irgc---reports/
When there is no obvious way to blame Russia they just make one up. The "Daily Mirror" quoted is a red top leftist rag read by Labour voting proles. That is just more of the same I wrote about years ago (https://russia-insider.com/en/politics/putin-western-medias-villain-every-season/ri10952).but they continue to lash out.
How I see the US. Again here by instigating the seizure of the first tanker.
The switched-off transponder and being out of its assigned course is a matter of record, there are open source records of such things - similar to those used to track aircraft.
As I noted above, in other circumstances, things might have been handled differently but the Stena Impero appears to have been behaving in a manner that was designed to lead it to be intercepted. Worth noting that the other vessel that was held up was allowed to leave after the captain received a bollocking for discharging oil while at sea.
]oyal Navy is too small to cope with the threat
from Iran, defence minister admits[/b][/size]
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9550565/iran-tanker-row-freeze-assets-tobias-ellwood/
How I see the US. Again here by instigating the seizure of the first tanker.
I'd say the problems started in the late 70's when Iran took hundreds of Americans hostage and maintained a hostile attitude.
How I see the US. Again here by instigating the seizure of the first tanker.
I'd say the problems started in the late 70's when Iran took hundreds of Americans hostage and maintained a hostile attitude.
Bunch of tossers..
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How I see the US. Again here by instigating the seizure of the first tanker.
I'd say the problems started in the late 70's when Iran took hundreds of Americans hostage and maintained a hostile attitude.
Try going back another 30 or so years and you'd be better placed.
History and knowledge, wonderful things.
How I see the US. Again here by instigating the seizure of the first tanker.
I'd say the problems started in the late 70's when Iran took hundreds of Americans hostage and maintained a hostile attitude.
Try going back another 30 or so years and you'd be better placed.
History and knowledge, wonderful things.
How I see the US. Again here by instigating the seizure of the first tanker.
I'd say the problems started in the late 70's when Iran took hundreds of Americans hostage and maintained a hostile attitude.
Try going back another 30 or so years and you'd be better placed.
History and knowledge, wonderful things.
You mean the overthrow of the Iran government sponsored by the UK?
You mean the overthrow of the Iran government sponsored by the UK?
The 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup d'état (Persian: کودتای ۲۸ مرداد), was the overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in favour of strengthening the monarchical rule of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the United States (under the name TPAJAX Projector "Operation Ajax") and the United Kingdom (under the name "Operation Boot"), and the first United States covert action to overthrow a foreign government during peacetimehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
You mean the overthrow of the Iran government sponsored by the UK?
From Wikipedia:QuoteThe 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup d'état (Persian: کودتای ۲۸ مرداد), was the overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in favour of strengthening the monarchical rule of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the United States (under the name TPAJAX Projector "Operation Ajax") and the United Kingdom (under the name "Operation Boot"), and the first United States covert action to overthrow a foreign government during peacetimehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
While it was true that Britain was involved, as you see, your post above suggests that there was only one hand and that simply is not true. The CIA, as admitted by itself and the U.S government was the major partner in the affair even though the previous U.S president was opposed to the idea and was disposed to support Mossadegh.
However, we can see where current attitudes to Iran from the U.S and UK were formed and why the Iranian government has the attitude that it does. History is very instructive.
Is half the truth better than none of the truth? Is the whole truth better than half the truth?
I am not entirely certain but I am minded to think that a whole lie is less distracting than a half-lie.
Audio released of Iran telling British tanker they need to board for security reasons. No reason given they are being stopped for hitting a fishing boat or failed to help a fishing boat in distress. Maybe Iran will release audio with a different version? Doubt it.
https://news.yahoo.com/alter-course-dramatic-audio-released-141212732.htmlAnd you believe the USA should be the lapdog of Israel (who has Nukes but refuses to declare them) and stick our beak into Iran’s nuclear aspirations?
You believe USA is a lapdog to Israel, not me. My friend owns a gun. My enemies should not own a gun. That's the way the world works. Don't get upset about it.Economic sanctions are essentially an act of war. When the USA stops wasting time and money being the World Police than things will get back to normal.
If you quit shopping Walmart because they did you wrong you are going to let your friends know and tell them to stop doing business with Walmart. Is that an act of war?
Iran was friendly with America at one time. They changed and prefer Russia right now. They should be economically happy with their decision but they continue to lash out.
Our “ally”.
A recent report by Newsweek magazine that Israel has spied on the United States at “an alarming level” and has done so “more than any other ally does” raises a very serious issue concerning how much Israel has betrayed America, which is something that the American mainstream media have time and again refused to debate in public.
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2014/06/06/how-israel-has-betrayed-america/
*Because Israel controls the MSM.
I'd say the problems started in the late 70's when Iran took hundreds of Americans hostage and maintained a hostile attitude.
Then you'd be just plain wrong ..
The UK and America - to a lessor extent - propped up the Shah's regime to protect oil interest ..
The UK won back some support with it's handling of a hostage seige at their embassy in London and STILL supports the Nuke deal 'Trampu' torpedoed - perhaps purely because it was Obama's
You've not been there ... it shows ..
Put your money where your mouth is? Go invade Russia or China..? naaaaaaaa dont want to do that do you? :ROFL:
To prove what, exactly? :coffeeread:
That goes both ways Steveboy.
Russia and China won’t take their chances invading the USA anytime soon either. :coffeeread:
I still find the premise odd. Sort of a "My dad can beat up your dad" thing, maybe?But Russia has had a war on its home land recently, just like most of Europe.. we are used to having bombs dropped on our houses by the Germans recently...London was blitzed just like many other places..
Recently? I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Remind me when the last bombs fell on London?
Would would have to be in one's 80s to have any meaningful memory of it.The US has never been blitzed can you imagine New York being bombed night after night by the Russians or any one else..
.....
How the hell would they manage being bombed night after night after night after night for a few years????
Who exactly has this capability? ???
And odd that you should mention it, because 9-11, which most people alive have a memory of, is why OBL got snuffed. Took a while to find him, but he went from basically being in charge of a country to being in charge of a cave.
At any rate, the narrative about how the US "lost" Iraq and Afghanistan is one of necessity for the Anti-US crowd. Sure, it isn't true, but it must be, so it is.
Meanwhile, it seems that No Longer So Great Britain is having some difficulties with Iran. I wonder if the lads on the tankers got to keep their iPads?
I would not be at all surprised if Trump rides to the rescue - as American presidents so often have to do for Little Britain - just so he can make HM Government eat the whole crap sammich and tell him how good it tastes. :chuckle:
B/B
Who exactly has this capability?. You think it wouldn't happen? Im sure there are a few countries with secret plans to incinerate you in the event of war with you.. remember history ? Every empire comes to an end sooner or later.. just accept it.. if you need some counselling over the problem give me a shout next time your in Russia I can do you 3/4 hours free.. :ROFL:
I'd say the problems started in the late 70's when Iran took hundreds of Americans hostage and maintained a hostile attitude.
Then you'd be just plain wrong ..
The UK and America - to a lessor extent - propped up the Shah's regime to protect oil interest ..
The UK won back some support with it's handling of a hostage seige at their embassy in London and STILL supports the Nuke deal 'Trampu' torpedoed - perhaps purely because it was Obama's
You've not been there ... it shows ..
It goes further back than the Shah. Try 1953 when President Mosaddeq was removed from office in a CIA inspired coup. Or maybe we need to go back to the time of Darius the Great. :bow: :reading:
Let’s do that!
Blame Alexander and the damn Greeks! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
So then when Iran signed a deal with the USA which was also endorsed by Europe, we should have honored it.
From Wikipedia:QuoteThe 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup d'état (Persian: کودتای ۲۸ مرداد), was the overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in favour of strengthening the monarchical rule of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the United States (under the name TPAJAX Projector "Operation Ajax") and the United Kingdom (under the name "Operation Boot"), and the first United States covert action to overthrow a foreign government during peacetimehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
While it was true that Britain was involved, as you see, your post above suggests that there was only one hand and that simply is not true. The CIA, as admitted by itself and the U.S government was the major partner in the affair even though the previous U.S president was opposed to the idea and was disposed to support Mossadegh.
However, we can see where current attitudes to Iran from the U.S and UK were formed and why the Iranian government has the attitude that it does. History is very instructive.
Is half the truth better than none of the truth? Is the whole truth better than half the truth?
I am not entirely certain but I am minded to think that a whole lie is less distracting than a half-lie.
Billy read my post up thread for more complete information about what the Stena Impero was up to. Fuller knowledge brings fuller comprehension.
What you said is what Iran said happened. You trust Iran over your government? Think your government coordinating events ordering a British tanker to mow down a fishing boat and increase tensions? Every ship knows what's going on over there. Captains have their crew looking out for danger. Certainly with radar and extra lookouts, they would see a fishing boat in front of them. So the only possible explanation is your government told the ship to run over an Iranian flagged fishing boat on purpose. You believe that?
Says the guy who was telling us the Brit tanker has tirned off her trackers and was behaving strangely ..
That scenario occured AFTER capture ..
Our “ally”.
A recent report by Newsweek magazine that Israel has spied on the United States at “an alarming level” and has done so “more than any other ally does” raises a very serious issue concerning how much Israel has betrayed America, which is something that the American mainstream media have time and again refused to debate in public.
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2014/06/06/how-israel-has-betrayed-america/
*Because Israel controls the MSM.
Awhile back the top five countries spying on the US were: France, Korea, Israel, Russia, and China.
Our “ally”.
A recent report by Newsweek magazine that Israel has spied on the United States at “an alarming level” and has done so “more than any other ally does” raises a very serious issue concerning how much Israel has betrayed America, which is something that the American mainstream media have time and again refused to debate in public.
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2014/06/06/how-israel-has-betrayed-america/
*Because Israel controls the MSM.
Awhile back the top five countries spying on the US were: France, Korea, Israel, Russia, and China.
Which Korea?
You expect a lot of spying from China and Russia.
In regards to France:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/sputniknews.com/amp/military/201807271066741778-france-mossad-operations-center/
So then when Iran signed a deal with the USA which was also endorsed by Europe, we should have honored it.
Iran didn't sign a deal with USA. Iran signed a deal with Obama. Obama didn't take his deal to Congress to get ratified. Obama and Iran knew the deal was weak but Obama could claim credit he got something done and Iran could get billions of dollars released to them.
Even after the deal with Obama, Iran continued to advance their ballistic missile program and fund and weaponized radicals across the Middle East to kill our allies and our troops. Trump is right not to deal with a nation that is hostile to us. Iran could boycott our products if they wish too.
From Wikipedia:QuoteThe 1953 Iranian coup d'état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup d'état (Persian: کودتای ۲۸ مرداد), was the overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in favour of strengthening the monarchical rule of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the United States (under the name TPAJAX Projector "Operation Ajax") and the United Kingdom (under the name "Operation Boot"), and the first United States covert action to overthrow a foreign government during peacetimehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
While it was true that Britain was involved, as you see, your post above suggests that there was only one hand and that simply is not true. The CIA, as admitted by itself and the U.S government was the major partner in the affair even though the previous U.S president was opposed to the idea and was disposed to support Mossadegh.
However, we can see where current attitudes to Iran from the U.S and UK were formed and why the Iranian government has the attitude that it does. History is very instructive.
Is half the truth better than none of the truth? Is the whole truth better than half the truth?
I am not entirely certain but I am minded to think that a whole lie is less distracting than a half-lie.
That's Cold War stuff Andrew. If America didn't get involved in smaller nations affairs, Soviets would and those nations would become our enemies. Bigger nations, empires and kingdoms always got involved in the affairs of others throughout history. It's not evil, just human nature.
We live today and regardless of the past, if someone or someones are bothering my family or my nation in a negative way, they should be dealt with (No need for permission from Israel, Confederate) in a way they aren't going to be liked. If I didn't like what America provided me, I would call another nation my home.
When the Real Armageddon happens nukes will not even matter. There is a Power greater than all.
Says the guy who was telling us the Brit tanker has tirned off her trackers and was behaving strangely ..
That scenario occured AFTER capture ..
Moby is correct, it seems the AIS indicates the tanker was in the correct channel zone and maintaining a safe speed and course. A fishing vessel as Markje indicates would be burdened.
It should be noted the Straits of Hormuz are perhaps the busiest and narrowest shipping lanes in the world. Errors in navigation are expensive. In fact the English Channel is more busy but allot wider and deeper. Imagine the English Channel reduced to a quarter of width with a turn thrown in.
When the Real Armageddon happens nukes will not even matter. There is a Power greater than all.
God? The 2nd coming of Jesus Christ? :chuckle:
God? The 2nd coming of Jesus Christ? :chuckle:
Billy and others having a hard time keeping up.
There will be a meeting between Trump and Hassan Rouhani at some point. Bearing in mind that Hassan Rouhani is not the ultimate arbiter in Iran.
Says the guy who was telling us the Brit tanker has tirned off her trackers and was behaving strangely ..
That scenario occured AFTER capture ..
Moby is correct, it seems the AIS indicates the tanker was in the correct channel zone and maintaining a safe speed and course. A fishing vessel as Markje indicates would be burdened.
It should be noted the Straits of Hormuz are perhaps the busiest and narrowest shipping lanes in the world. Errors in navigation are expensive. In fact the English Channel is more busy but allot wider and deeper. Imagine the English Channel reduced to a quarter of width with a turn thrown in.
You need to reconfigure the landscape. Deploy a massive tsunami that floods the tip of the area where Oman and UAE territory resides so the "bulge" is wiped off the map. :chuckle:
QuoteLet’s do that!
Blame Alexander and the damn Greeks! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Let’s leave Wiz out of it otherwise he’ll get the hump. :chuckle:
QuoteLet’s do that!
Blame Alexander and the damn Greeks! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Let’s leave Wiz out of it otherwise he’ll get the hump. :chuckle:
On the contrary old boy....... Wiz is proud of his ancestors.
Take a read........ Thermopylae (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermopylae)
Thermopylae ("hot gates") is a place in Greece where a narrow coastal passage existed in antiquity.
Thermopylae is world-famous for the battle that took place there between the Greek forces (notably the Spartans) and the invading Persian forces, commemorated by Simonides in the famous epitaph, "Go tell the Spartans, stranger passing by, That here obedient to their laws we lie."
Has your murderous tribe anything similar to show to the world?
:P :evilgrin0002:
QuoteLet’s do that!
Blame Alexander and the damn Greeks! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Let’s leave Wiz out of it otherwise he’ll get the hump. :chuckle:
On the contrary old boy....... Wiz is proud of his ancestors.
Take a read........ Thermopylae (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermopylae)
Thermopylae ("hot gates") is a place in Greece where a narrow coastal passage existed in antiquity.
Thermopylae is world-famous for the battle that took place there between the Greek forces (notably the Spartans) and the invading Persian forces, commemorated by Simonides in the famous epitaph, "Go tell the Spartans, stranger passing by, That here obedient to their laws we lie."
Has your murderous tribe anything similar to show to the world?
:P :evilgrin0002:
Sorry I may be mistaken, but don't you mean Leonidas I?
QuoteLet’s do that!
Blame Alexander and the damn Greeks! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Let’s leave Wiz out of it otherwise he’ll get the hump. :chuckle:
On the contrary old boy....... Wiz is proud of his ancestors.
Take a read........ Thermopylae (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermopylae)
Thermopylae ("hot gates") is a place in Greece where a narrow coastal passage existed in antiquity.
Thermopylae is world-famous for the battle that took place there between the Greek forces (notably the Spartans) and the invading Persian forces, commemorated by Simonides in the famous epitaph, "Go tell the Spartans, stranger passing by, That here obedient to their laws we lie."
Has your murderous tribe anything similar to show to the world?
:P :evilgrin0002:
Sorry I may be mistaken, but don't you mean Leonidas I?
Wiz, Had a chance to read your links, I understand now where your reference to Simonides comes from. Thank you. Av
I bet that Manny knows about this, that the negotiations between parties mean nothing, even when one's counterpart seems to agree to something, that it is not the case. The final decision will be made away from the negotiating table by people who were not at the meeting. Often, of course, the negotiated outcome is followed through, but a seasoned hand knows to wait until he has received the documents from the other party to see what they actually agree to.
Sadly nobody was aware of the way that Chinese culture handles negotiations.
Sadly nobody was aware of the way that Chinese culture handles negotiations.
Sadly nobody was aware of the way Trump handles negotiations. Like Manny, our government also knows China makes a deal and at the last second, tries to negotiate. In the past, our previous presidents eager to make a deal gave in more at the end. Trump does not and increases tariffs as punishment. I'd be happy if we have no deal with China and let the tariffs remain high. I like to see more manufacturing go to Vietnam and other Asian nations to supply America's needs.
Is somebody like Manny or me really so much better informed than the advisors available to Donald Trump, the Leader Of The Free World and president of the people of The Land Of The Free?
Here's the problem Billy and others who don't understand cultural stuff.
Nobody expects much of you in terms of comprehension and cultural awareness, but Trump's advisors, these are people who should be at the top of their game. They should know this stuff. They should know how the decision-making process works with all their negotiating partners/adversaries.
How badly served is Trump, and by extension, all inhabitants of Retardistan, when he and his team do not have the knowledge of China and Iran that a Middle-aged bloke whose only experience of the Chinese and Iranian situation is a short while spent in the relevant environment, a few personal contacts, a few classes on cross-cultural negotiation and the ability to read.
Is somebody like Manny or me really so much better informed than the advisors available to Donald Trump, the Leader Of The Free World and president of the people of The Land Of The Free?
What has happened to to you poor dears?
My law will prove the reason for global warming that is occurring now on earth is due to an increase in kinetic energy in the earth's core, not caused by carbon dioxide. Some organizations like Paris Convention on Climate Change, and intergovernmental Panel On Climate Change (IPCC) claim that carbon dioxide emission is the cause of climate changes such as global warming. I will prove that this is a fraud.:money: :money: :money: :money: :money: :money: :king:
Currently rapid rising global warming energy is creating a synergistic effect to accelerate kinetic energy inside the earth's core. As a result, the rising kinetic energy inside the earth's core will be reaching its maximum at about 2060 and eventually explode.
The massive explosive energy generated inside the earth divides only one powerful earth's magnetic field into several small and weak magnetic fields. As a result, the earth's magnetic field disappears by more than 95 percent. From this point, the creatures on earth begin to meet extinction by solar radiation. In addition, a massive explosion generated inside the earth vibrates the entire planet. That vibration makes massive earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, extreme temperature differences, typhoons, and heavy snowstorms which will devastate all of the earth.
Dinosaurs, like humankind today, didn't know that a frozen age must start after a global warming processes rapidly. So as the frozen age had started, they died out without preparation. Humankind should not go the same path as dinosaurs. From now, on, human beings must realize mass extinction is just around the corner. It would best to buy my copyright and prepare for extinction.
I will sell my Law of Birth of the Solar System copyright for $20,000,000,000.
* I am worried about farmers long term...
Nobody expects much of you in terms of comprehension and cultural awareness, but Trump's advisors, these are people who should be at the top of their game. They should know this stuff. They should know how the decision-making process works with all their negotiating partners/adversaries.
How badly served is Trump, and by extension, all inhabitants of Retardistan, when he and his team do not have the knowledge of China and Iran that a Middle-aged bloke whose only experience of the Chinese and Iranian situation is a short while spent in the relevant environment, a few personal contacts, a few classes on cross-cultural negotiation and the ability to read.
Billy, who do you think owns many of those 'Vietnamese' factories? WHo do you think supplies them with raw materials and components?
World wars are needed to cull populations.. there is no other way, can't use sterilization to many liberals will be moaning.. :laugh:
So I would guess another one will be on the way any day soon..
When it happens Im still planning to be around!! What about this forum? I hope so as it will create a few interesting threads ::
How long does radiation sickness last?
my leg has stated to rot ?
Is it safe to eat the bread?
My sitting room has 20cm of some funny dust is it ok to vacuum it up?
I can't seem to get a connection with aunty flow in California what could be the problem?