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Information & Chat => News & Political Discussion => Topic started by: Texan77 on July 30, 2021, 10:36:20 AM
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China is remaking itself in response to it coming population collapse. This is a huge change in direction of where the Chinese government is going with the country. It is expressing a new policy where young families are first. Young Chinese are often not even wanting to get married and are opting for zero children. The Chinese people are complaining that they can not afford a family in todays China. Housing it too expensive, health care is too expensive, Education is too expensive, It takes too much time to raise one child and it is impossible to afford. The 9-9-6 work week makes it impossible for be a good parent. In response to the problem China is going in a completely new direction. Of course these changes will take a years to come about but it will like be faster than anything possible in the west. China just has a Censes which they held up the results for months. It is thought that is was much worse than even the Chinese thought. There is the belief that China advertises having 1.4 billion people may only really have 1.2 billion people. The would make India the worlds most populist country. China population is set to half by 2170 to 2200. China is fighting back in a way that may not even be possible in Germany or other western countries. This video is boring so if you need entertainment do not bother.
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I do not care what the chinks are doing as long as they become the next super power and dwarf the US.. Im happy.. :thumbsup:
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I know I could count on you to say something total meaningless.
The Chinese have a problem. Their economy depends on construction at the present level. It does not seem possible that they construct at the current lever forever. On the other side people have been predicting this would end for years now but the Chinese keep on building and the prices keep going higher. 25 per cent of all the housing in China is empty though the flats has been sold. These empty flats are a way that Chinese people plan to retire is by selling these flats when they are old. They keep building more flats every year with the virus having led to an extra building boom and the public keep buying. The biggest increase in buying is in people buying a third flat while the people buying their first flat is declining. Rents are so low most of the flats are not even rented out. When Retires begin selling their second and third flats how the market is going to be able to absorb them? The Chinese government has seen the problem and has made financing on second and third flats difficult and require a very large down payment. Still the flats are selling. These building where the flats are located are on rented land. The lease is for seventy years. Flats can only be finance during the first 15 years of the building being built. So if you buy a flat and fifteen years latter when you retired want to sell it you must sell it to a cash buyer only.
Recent changes the Chinese government has promised to start make housing more affordable to first time Chinese buyers. So I am sure some changes are about to occur. But if retirees lose money on flats it might kill the market for future retires from wanting to buy a second and third flat. The Chinese can not afford to stop have all this building. I am not sure what is going to happen here. I think this covers part of it.
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I know I could count on you to say something total meaningless.
The Chinese have a problem. Their economy depends on construction at the present level. It does not seem possible that they construct at the current lever forever. On the other side people have been predicting this would end for years now but the Chinese keep on building and the prices keep going higher. 25 per cent of all the housing in China is empty though the flats has been sold. These empty flats are a way that Chinese people plan to retire is by selling these flats when they are old. They keep building more flats every year with the virus having led to an extra building boom and the public keep buying. The biggest increase in buying is in people buying a third flat while the people buying their first flat is declining. Rents are so low most of the flats are not even rented out. When Retires begin selling their second and third flats how the market is going to be able to absorb them? The Chinese government has seen the problem and has made financing on second and third flats difficult and require a very large down payment. Still the flats are selling. These building where the flats are located are on rented land. The lease is for seventy years. Flats can only be finance during the first 15 years of the building being built. So if you buy a flat and fifteen years latter when you retired want to sell it you must sell it to a cash buyer only.
Recent changes the Chinese government has promised to start make housing more affordable to first time Chinese buyers. So I am sure some changes are about to occur. But if retirees lose money on flats it might kill the market for future retires from wanting to buy a second and third flat. The Chinese can not afford to stop have all this building. I am not sure what is going to happen here. I think this covers part of it.
I know I could count on you to say something total meaningless. . That is my speciality.. :laugh:
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Yea it helps to not know anything about anything real.
Up until 2008 the Chinese had a policy of not interfering in other countries but establishing business partners. You can not say they changed over night but they did change very much. Most people here read RT news which have not kept readers abreast to the changes that have occurred in the Chinese attitude. Now it threaten countries all over the world, brides their governments to sell out the population, uses debt trap diplomacy, steal their natural resources to a point to make them the least popular government on earth. The Chinese no longer care if you like them or not because they are the only game in the world and you can trade with China or do without. You will end up buying from the Chinese company of your choice whether you like them or not. The video is about how Chinese have change and a little about some possible reasons why.
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Funny place, China. Even funnier is Western media.
Those 'empty cities' - funny thing, but they tend to be pretty full after about 5 years or so. But the funny western journalists keep finding new empty cities.
It's a matter of scale. Those who are old enough will remember tract housing in the USA and similar in the UK.
Hundreds, perhaps thousands of homes built speculatively. Apart from very rare cases those developments went from empty to full. Whole new communities built in advance to serve millions of people able to afford to buy a modern home for the first time.
Same thing in China. Its not about population growth but a vast migration of people from countryside to city at the same time as a huge growth in personal wealth and living standards.
So, look back to Levittown and successor/peer developments in the USA to understand what is happening in China but consider the scale.
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The growth of people moving from the country side to the cities has slowed down. Many that are moving from the country side are even moving back. The new factory jobs are requiring skill labor as the unskilled workers are not so much in demand for any kind of wage that they will ever be able to afford housing. Most of the unskilled jobs in China are moving out of the country because there is cheaper unskilled labor else where. Wages in China has increased by a factor of 12 in the last twenty years. This is both good and bad depending how you want to look at it. It has brought many people out of poverty but is not making it not easy for new people to make the same transition.
The future of China is very complex in todays world. Not so much has ever happened in any other frame of time. Factories are getting robots and AI and needing less workers. The working age population is declining so maybe the work force will balance. The government is trying to boost the population and one of the elements is to make housing more affordable to the first time home buyers. How they are going to do this is still a question. Globalization is coming to an end. The USA and the EU will not be buying so many Chinese or any bodies products in the not too distant future.
China has a debt to GDP ratio twice that of the USA. The local states depend on the leasing of land sites to build new buildings for all their income.
The building new flats have increased in the last three years. They are having a real estate boom now and prices are soring. But it is foolish to draw a straight line and assume what happened in the past will continue forever in the future. If you could do that investing would be easy and everyone would get rich.
We have had a number of real estate bust in the USA but we have never had an economy so dependent on real estate.
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You will notice that home buyers who are buying their first home buyers as a percentage of buyers in China has declined from 75 per cent in 2010 to just 13 per cent in 2018. Showing the migration of people from the country side to the cities is no longer fueling housing sells like it did just a few years ago. 87 per cent of the home sales are to people who will own two homes or more after the completion of their current purchase. The rental market is very bad and nearly impossible to make any money renting out your unit. So these extra units are usually left vacant as a speculative investment.
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Texan77, nice try, but no biscuit for you. Rather than trying to make unsafe inferences from secondary data, why not look at what is actually happening and what is being planned for in China.
For ease I suggest you take a look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_in_China
The article refers to migrant workers - these are the engine of the move from (mostly) rural areas to urban areas. They remain migrants until they settle permanently, but settle they do. Even if not permanent settlers they require housing.
The concept of migrant workers as it applies in China is not what you likely associate with your experience - that's due to the Chinese system of Hukuo which ties people's access to social services to their place of birth. Meaning that a person who has lived in a new location for decades will still be considered a migrant, a person only temporarily in the urban area he and his family now live.
To save you the bother of reading, from the article:
in 2015 there were about 277.5 million migrant workers - about 1/3 of all employment. Estimates are that Chinese cities will face an influx of another 243 million migrants by 2025, taking the urban population up to nearly 1 billion people.
Think for a moment Texan77, if we divide 277 million by 10 years, the result is 28 million new people per year, between 2015 and 2025.
How many new cities does that suggest will be built?
How long does it take to build a city?
Now do you better grasp what is going on and the time scales?
Urbanisation in China: https://www.statista.com/statistics/270162/urbanization-in-china/
Texan77, the scale and numbers are unimaginable to most people - especially if you have never seen the situation - and I saw it many years ago and only for a brief time.
So, yes, homes, usually apartments, are being built and purchased speculatively, but it is not a bad bet. Those homes will fill up and, as I somewhat facetiously noted upthread - and to which you objected, after about 5 years. You see, development MUST be done ahead of time. Building according to the demand of the moment simply is not possible, so speculative purchase of apartments as investments form a kind of buffer.
Look at the proper numbers matey rather than making assumptions, or echoing the assumptions of others - it helps.
Worth noting that the Chinese government is now looking at ways to reduce the movement to the huge cities concentrated in the coastal regions. The next phase is likely to be developments in the western parts of the country and although English language articles talk about this being a return to keeping people in rural areas, it most certainly isn't. The commentators don't seem to have a grasp of the scale of the issue and what the policy discussions from the top mean in real terms.
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Texan77, in my post above I mentioned that China was now looking at ways to improve rural areas such that the economic drivers behind migratory work might be reduced.
Here's an interesting article on the subject.
https://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202104/09/WS606f93bda31024ad0bab4570.html
Notice that this is not about keeping peasants working in rice paddies. It is, once again about urbanisation. Albeit in what are described as towns. Of course, in China a town is a pretty big place.
Again, look at the scale of the project. 1000 towns between 2017 and 2020. This is an inconceivable scale for most of us.
What's more though, this plan will have resulted from experiments and test cases to develop and refine the plan - because that's how its done in China, a hugely democratic bottom up process where feedback and opinion is gathered at grass roots level.
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These are not people moving to cities to buy housing. Migrates do not buy units. Yes like you data says there are 300 million migrates doing low end work moving to city to city. But the word migrate does not mean they are moving from the country side to the city. Rural development does not move people from the country side to Cities. The Chinese government is aware of the problem and has pledge to put more first time buyers in housing. I am not sure how they are going to do this. When the USA tried this we had the 2008 housing collapse and bank failures.
We are getting ready for a large Real estate crash world wide. Young people in most western countries not able to buy housing that their parents were able to buy at the same age. Starter homes in many western cities are now 400,000 dollars. Do to an aging population in the not to distant future we will have more sellers than buyers. Those younger buyers will not be able to afford the housing prices at current levels. The only way around this I can see is if we have massage wage inflation where young people can afford the housing. That is also a problem of a different kind.
The Chinese government know it is in for a future problem and is taking measures to insure the safety of their banks in the case of a real estate bubble collapse. First time buyers need 20 per cent down on first flat, 50 per cent down to buy second flat and 75 per cent down on third flat. If a flat is over 15 year old it can not be financed. Now they are building new housing that can be financed in cities ghost cities along side the old buildings where buyers can not get financing on the existing housing. It makes it hard if you own one of those empty flats.
In none of this have you shown any data that Chinese first time home buyers are buying enough housing to ever fill the over production of housing. It is true the Chinses government is said it was going to work on the problem of first time flat buyers. Hopefully they do better than the USA did when we tried to solved the problem.
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In China, Marriage Rates Are Down and ‘Bride Prices’ Are Up
https://dnyuz.com/2023/03/26/in-china-marriage-rates-are-down-and-bride-prices-are-up/
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In China, Marriage Rates Are Down and ‘Bride Prices’ Are Up
https://dnyuz.com/2023/03/26/in-china-marriage-rates-are-down-and-bride-prices-are-up/
While I wouldn't know much about this, I am pleased to say the quality of goods manufactured in China continues to rise. I have personal experience with items such as caster wheels, miniature steam engines and chain falls - getting better by year... a part of 'The New China' I embrace with open arms.
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Migrates do not buy units.
Birds migrate South in the winter. Immigrants is not equal to migrates
Young people in most western countries not able to buy housing that their parents were able to buy at the same age.
That's what the Lefty world order wants. They want people to own nothing, but pay
the elite rent forever. All lefty laws lead to more of this.
The Chinese government know it is in for a future problem and is taking measures to insure the safety of their banks in the case of a real estate bubble collapse.
Hahahaha!
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I do not care what the chinks are doing as long as they become the next super power and dwarf the US.. Im happy.. :thumbsup:
They can't. They are the fastest aging society in the world. They have no natural
resources. They can't feed themselves, they are a totalitarian dictatorship and
nobody trusts them. They can't protect their own trade routes and all their
neighbors hate them. I could go on, but your plans to freeze your body or
migrate to Mars have more merit. (You could do both)
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Changes in China. It does n ot look like it is growing fast now.
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Changes in China. It does n ot look like it is growing fast now.
https://www.worldshipping.org/top-50-ports
Sure it doesn't (:) , from here it looks like they grow significantly.
Rotterdam used to be the biggest port in the world, but it is now only 1/3 the size of shanghai.
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The new China looks to be the Old India - gradually transitioning from a British Empire Controlled Market that the Brits skimmed 40 Trillion Pound Sterling of wealth and treasures from over the course of their Empire Subjugation, and many Genocides...
Short term UK and USA profit scalpers transferred most USA Pharmaceutical sub-ingredients (adjutants) manufacturing, to China a country where most of the air and water is contaminated along the lines of East Palestine Ohio so most of their Foods and Drugs products are laced with contaminants...
Let's take life saving Ivermectin...
Chinese Amazon Tablets 3mg One damn tablet of Stromectol $3.52
https://pharmacy.amazon.com/Ivermectin-Generic-Stromectol-Oral-Tablet/dp/B084BVWCXB?ref_=sr_1_1&keywords=ivermectin&crid=3ASVHFR8NELHH&qid=1679915318&sr=8-1
14 days 20 blister pack $4.95 each
https://pharmacy.amazon.com/Stromectol-Brand-Ivermectin-Oral-Tablet/dp/B084BRZ6TK?ref_=sr_1_4&keywords=ivermectin&sr=8-4
VS
IVEJUV 12 India Manufactured 12mg Blister pack of 100 tabs for $195.00 plus $10 shipping... Note a large sized man 225 to 250 lbs needs avg 2 12mg tabs per day = 24mg about the average daily dose based upon body weight. NOTE: You would need 8 of the contaminated Amazon Chinese 3mg tabs - many people buying the Apple Flavored Horse Paste to get enough for daily doses... (Yes Amazon savage human customers taking Horse Paste - apple a day etc...)
https://www.amazon.com/Apple-Flavored-Ivermectin-Paste-Pack/dp/B00S8LL17E/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=ivermectin&sr=8-5
https://ivermectin.com/
I used 2 12mg tabs per day for the first week then 1 tab per day following weeks and then in spring 2 per week for prevention protocol...
https://covid19criticalcare.com/treatment-protocols/i-prevent-protect/
And for the mRNA Booster junkies:
https://covid19criticalcare.com/treatment-protocols/i-prevent-vaccine-injury/
Ironically the use of the FLCCC style Prevention and Treatment protocols including high grade Indian Ivermectin with a dose of Tumeric... prevented the Covid Wuhan Bat Psycho murder bioweaponized virus from burning through the population of India - go figure.
For those addicted to Dr. Mengele Murder-Genocidal Fauci's mRNA shots and BOOSTERS well probably best to avoid these life saving protocols as you just can not CURE STUPID.
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Changes in China. It does n ot look like it is growing fast now.
https://www.worldshipping.org/top-50-ports
Sure it doesn't (:) , from here it looks like they grow significantly.
Rotterdam used to be the biggest port in the world, but it is now only 1/3 the size of shanghai.
Your information dated and even then, in 2020 most Chinese ports pasted their peaks not counting the 2023 problem after covid. Importers have been unable to get products out of China for years so a lot of companies a have found other sources for products elsewhere. China now is the second largest supplier to the USA after the EU. Largest trade partner with USA, Mexico. China still sends a lot of stuff to USA but not as large of percentage of our imports as they once did. With the current political climate, China not likely to regain that spot as USA and Eruopean companies are concern about future war with China.
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Of late, I am starting to change some of my perception in matters relating to other nation's perspectives, in this discussion China. Like many Americans, I used to belong in the group convinced that my country is certainly superior to all things Chinese, whether economically, socially, militarily, culturally, politically, morally, etc...
These recent times I am reminded that this attitude is a 'thing of the past'. I can't even begin to imagine how the world actually looks at the US for what it has become lately. While we have removed ourself from wars in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan, we are still militarily involved on hot zones like Yemen, Syria, Africa. We are principally involved in a current regime change and unfettered war and destruction in Ukraine.
Our politics and current leadership had been at best, a butt of jokes the world over. To say the least, it's become a circus. We've had politicians blatantly trampling our Constitution and judicial process for their own political and at times personal agendas and advancement.
The world witnesses how our politicians promoted and supported nationwide riots, looting and civil unrest. The world had been perpetually witnessing how our own freedom of expression is strategically getting suppressed. Daily rampant crimes, rising population of homelessness, daily strings of gun violence, etc...it's gotten so bad we, as a society, even tagged these with names like 'smash & grab', ' porch piracies', etc..we empower criminalities while defunding law enforcement. To even remotely force feed our 'brand of democracy', at times violently, to everyone else in or global community had become a joke if not a downright insult to humanity.
We allow unchecked illegal immigration.
We 'ban' social medium like TikTok, but promote and empowered Google, IG and FB widely. We crucify the likes of Assange, Snowden, Swartz, etc...for what? Revealing misdeed our nations is heavily involved in?
We have such event like E. Palestine, Ohio that barely registered urgency in the federal attention meter. SEmpra Enegy gas leak that went on for 5 months releasing the largest methane release ever recorded and endangered a community of tens of thousands. How many of you folks realizes that over 50% of US population are drinking water with detectable levels of lead in our water system?
Our laws exercises selective enforcement. Case in point the so-called insurrection, but turns a blind-eye to Cal-Davis riots and violence, lootings, unlawful charges for political reasons as seen on the Russian collusion case, the Sen. Ted Stevens sham, etc..
I really do wish the US would come back to a time when we earned the moniker of being that beacon upon a hill. Unfortunately, at the rate we're going that has become comical these days.
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Of late, I am starting to change some of my perception in matters relating to other nation's perspectives, in this discussion China. Like many Americans, I used to belong in the group convinced that my country is certainly superior to all things Chinese, whether economically, socially, militarily, culturally, politically, morally, etc...
These recent times I am reminded that this attitude is a 'thing of the past'. I can't even begin to imagine how the world actually looks at the US for what it has become lately. While we have removed ourself from wars in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan, we are still militarily involved on hot zones like Yemen, Syria, Africa. We are principally involved in a current regime change and unfettered war and destruction in Ukraine.
Our politics and current leadership had been at best, a butt of jokes the world over. To say the least, it's become a circus. We've had politicians blatantly trampling our Constitution and judicial process for their own political and at times personal agendas and advancement.
The world witnesses how our politicians promoted and supported nationwide riots, looting and civil unrest. The world had been perpetually witnessing how our own freedom of expression is strategically getting suppressed. Daily rampant crimes, rising population of homelessness, daily strings of gun violence, etc...it's gotten so bad we, as a society, even tagged these with names like 'smash & grab', ' porch piracies', etc..we empower criminalities while defunding law enforcement. To even remotely force feed our 'brand of democracy', at times violently, to everyone else in or global community had become a joke if not a downright insult to humanity.
We allow unchecked illegal immigration.
We 'ban' social medium like TikTok, but promote and empowered Google, IG and FB widely. We crucify the likes of Assange, Snowden, Swartz, etc...for what? Revealing misdeed our nations is heavily involved in?
We have such event like E. Palestine, Ohio that barely registered urgency in the federal attention meter. SEmpra Enegy gas leak that went on for 5 months releasing the largest methane release ever recorded and endangered a community of tens of thousands. How many of you folks realizes that over 50% of US population are drinking water with detectable levels of lead in our water system?
Our laws exercises selective enforcement. Case in point the so-called insurrection, but turns a blind-eye to Cal-Davis riots and violence, lootings, unlawful charges for political reasons as seen on the Russian collusion case, the Sen. Ted Stevens sham, etc..
I really do wish the US would come back to a time when we earned the moniker of being that beacon upon a hill. Unfortunately, at the rate we're going that has become comical these days.
Stock up, Arms Up (from .308/7.62x.51MM to .380, 9MM and .357) - yes AMMO Up as you can not have too much lead and or copper Ammo and Ammo is great for Barter - bullets are reasonably concentrated forms of wealth - and hold Cash, Gold and Silver, Select Cryptos (LTC and ETH etc) and be ready for the ANTI-WOKE revolution soon.
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Stock up, Arms Up (from .308/7.62x.51MM to .380, 9MM and .357) - yes AMMO Up as you can not have too much lead and or copper Ammo and Ammo is great for Barter - bullets are reasonably concentrated forms of wealth - and hold Cash, Gold and Silver, Select Cryptos (LTC and ETH etc) and be ready for the ANTI-WOKE revolution soon.
Couldn't agree more - cash, precious metals and electronic currencies aren't the only means of diversification.
I just picked up a Sig Sauer SSB 3000 chambered in 308 / 762. Flash suppressor, bi-pod, adjustable cheek block and mated with a Leupold Mark 5HD scope. Just for recreation, of course.
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Your information dated and even then, in 2020 most Chinese ports pasted their peaks not counting the 2023 problem after covid. Importers have been unable to get products out of China for years so a lot of companies a have found other sources for products elsewhere. China now is the second largest supplier to the USA after the EU. Largest trade partner with USA, Mexico. China still sends a lot of stuff to USA but not as large of percentage of our imports as they once did. With the current political climate, China not likely to regain that spot as USA and Eruopean companies are concern about future war with China.
Reallly now
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1318138/container-throughput-shanghai-international-port/
Take a good look at growth. 2022 is not in yet, but thats normal. So these statistics so far show growth and lots of it every year.
Despite your words, the stats say otherwise.
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it won't let me see it or get the source of their data except some tops of the graph which I cannot tell anything about. The other one you show me show different data. So, which one is real? I am only using your data.
This shows a huge drop off in Containers in late 2022 to present.
https://tradingeconomics.com/china/exports-of-containers#:~:text=Exports%20of%20Containers%20in%20China%20is%20expected%20to,THO%20in%202024%2C%20according%20to%20our%20econometric%20models.
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Stock up, Arms Up (from .308/7.62x.51MM to .380, 9MM and .357) - yes AMMO Up as you can not have too much lead and or copper Ammo and Ammo is great for Barter - bullets are reasonably concentrated forms of wealth - and hold Cash, Gold and Silver, Select Cryptos (LTC and ETH etc) and be ready for the ANTI-WOKE revolution soon.
Couldn't agree more - cash, precious metals and electronic currencies aren't the only means of diversification.
I just picked up a Sig Sauer SSB 3000 chambered in 308 / 762. Flash suppressor, bi-pod, adjustable cheek block and mated with a Leupold Mark 5HD scope. Just for recreation, of course.
Great for "varmint" hunting (Coyotes, ISIS, Antifas, BLMs, Narcos, Tyrants, etc.) out to 2000 yards, very accurate at 1,000 yds without special Match Rounds...
To improve long range Varmint Hunting Accuracy ...
https://www.hornady.com/4dofapp
I use this Hornady 4DOF app on my Android Cell along with a separate rechargeable Laser Range Finder. 4DOF App gives you the windage/elevation MOA clicks or settings to get your excellent Leupold scope to be dead nutz accurate...
:smokin:
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I import from China, and I think the container story is incomplete.
During Covid, so much PPE was shipped that empty containers were sat abroad, very many in the US, and there wasn't enough in China to feed demand. In recent months they have been coming back in so that is levelling out. When the container situation was bad, the shipping companies ramped up the prices, in some cases x3, but that has come back down now.
China had many lockdowns as many know, and that did impact production, but that has all stopped now. China is issuing visas again, trade fairs are running again and business is getting back to normal.
The factories that supply me all seem busy again. One that usually has a 30-day production time still hasn't got an order ready, almost two months after getting the order and deposit.
I think there's a tendency in the US to constantly predict the downfall of China, the same as there is with Russia. Yet back home, there are homeless everywhere, tent cities all over the place, prescription pharmaceutical addiction issues, the same leaky southern border as ever, and it seems infrastructure like railroad tracks and bridges are in very poor repair.
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I import from China, and I think the container story is incomplete.
During Covid, so much PPE was shipped that empty containers were sat abroad, very many in the US, and there wasn't enough in China to feed demand. In recent months they have been coming back in so that is levelling out. When the container situation was bad, the shipping companies ramped up the prices, in some cases x3, but that has come back down now.
China had many lockdowns as many know, and that did impact production, but that has all stopped now. China is issuing visas again, trade fairs are running again and business is getting back to normal.
The factories that supply me all seem busy again. One that usually has a 30-day production time still hasn't got an order ready, almost two months after getting the order and deposit.
I think there's a tendency in the US to constantly predict the downfall of China, the same as there is with Russia. Yet back home, there are homeless everywhere, tent cities all over the place, prescription pharmaceutical addiction issues, the same leaky southern border as ever, and it seems infrastructure like railroad tracks and bridges are in very poor repair.
China is projected to go to war with the USA somewhere around 2027 plus or minus over Tiawan. Companies are needing to find other sources or risk not having the products they need. Even if they do not go to war the fear of it is hurting their business. Maybe you should start looking for other sources or risk going out of business. Shiping out of China has gotten a lot cheaper as ships cannot find loads. So, I bet your cost have fallen a bunch.
Investments by Americans companies have been a big lost in Russia over war. Not many people want to have the same kind of risk in China. So, there is more disinvestment than new money going to China.
The USA is not predicting it but rather induvials who make content. Somehow everything on the web or in the news is a creation of the USA government which you guys think controls it all.
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Russia and China have entered a "strategic partnership" but Putin and Xi are likely just keeping their enemies within striking distance. Only time will tell if Russia or China will end up with the knife in its back.
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Great for "varmint" hunting (Coyotes, ISIS, Antifas, BLMs, Narcos, Tyrants, etc.) out to 2000 yards, very accurate at 1,000 yds without special Match Rounds...
To improve long range Varmint Hunting Accuracy ...
https://www.hornady.com/4dofapp
I use this Hornady 4DOF app on my Android Cell along with a separate rechargeable Laser Range Finder. 4DOF App gives you the windage/elevation MOA clicks or settings to get your excellent Leupold scope to be dead nutz accurate...
:smokin:
Thanks for the recommendation Cufflinks, I'll check it out. I've never actually tried a ballistic calculator before (most of my shots are within 300 yards) but I do buy a lot of Hornady ammo and they're a name I trust.
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China is projected to go to war with the USA somewhere around 2027 plus or minus over Tiawan.
You guys won't have a prayer. Let's be honest. You lost in Korea, Vietnam, and blokes in Afghanistan sent you fleeing and they only have 20-year-old Toyotas and wear flip-flops. Your Ukraine war against Russia is failing even though you dragged all of NATO in to supply them. What chance have you against China? Come now.
Name one instance where the US has attacked a country that can defend itself and won in your lifetime? You can't as there isn't one. You'll fail against Russia and you'll fail faster against China. I think Grenada and Hawaii were your last actual victories unless you go back to the 1700s. It's not happening, Tex.
Plus, I think the American *people* have no appetite to fight meaningless foreign wars anymore. They're already getting tired of the Ukraine shambles and all the money Biden is pouring into it. Have they the appetite to support a war with China over things they don't understand and places they cant find on a map? I doubt it.
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Name one instance where the US has attacked a country that can defend itself and won in your lifetime? You can't as there isn't one. You'll fail against Russia and you'll fail faster against China.
Plus, I think the American *people* have no appetite to fight meaningless foreign wars anymore. They're already getting tired of the Ukraine shambles and all the money Biden is pouring into it. Have they the appetite to support a war with China over things they don't understand and places they cant find on a map? I doubt it.
Irrelevant points all of them.
The American people could very easily suddenly stop buying Chinese goods.
Half a billion Chinese would starve to death if the US and the Euros put the same
restrictions on China as they have with Russia. China has no natural resources,
they can't feed themselves. They can't keep their lights on or their factories
running.
The Chinese know all of this, they aren't stupid.
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You guys won't have a prayer. Let's be honest. You lost in Korea, Vietnam, and blokes in Afghanistan sent you fleeing and they only have 20-year-old Toyotas and wear flip-flops. Your Ukraine war against Russia is failing even though you dragged all of NATO in to supply them. What chance have you against China? Come now.
the trouble is, you actually believe this. this is what happens when amateurs, either, draw conclusions or make predictions on military matters. you do not even look at military history of those wars, instead listening to your own politiculs/manipulators telling you what "really" happened. now you are making a prediction based on that ignorance.
:dh:
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Trump train is coming!! :chuckle: Did you hear his latest speech after he was indicted...
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China is projected to go to war with the USA somewhere around 2027 plus or minus over Tiawan.
You guys won't have a prayer. Let's be honest. You lost in Korea, Vietnam, and blokes in Afghanistan sent you fleeing and they only have 20-year-old Toyotas and wear flip-flops. Your Ukraine war against Russia is failing even though you dragged all of NATO in to supply them. What chance have you against China? Come now.
Name one instance where the US has attacked a country that can defend itself and won in your lifetime? You can't as there isn't one. You'll fail against Russia and you'll fail faster against China. I think Grenada and Hawaii were your last actual victories unless you go back to the 1700s. It's not happening, Tex.
Plus, I think the American *people* have no appetite to fight meaningless foreign wars anymore. They're already getting tired of the Ukraine shambles and all the money Biden is pouring into it. Have they the appetite to support a war with China over things they don't understand and places they cant find on a map? I doubt it.
Iraq, I believe was the fifth most powerful army in the world when we attacked them. So far, we have kept Russia from winning in Ukraine with just 30 billion dollars of our junk weapons. Even if Russia wins in Ukraine, there will not be much left of its military equipment. Russia winning is in doubt but not impossible at this point. I thought you said Russia was going to have a big winter offensive in December. All winter not much happened. Then after the first week of the war you said Kiev would be surrounded in days. Never happened. You batting average is about as good as Col McGregor. Zero! All of his December videos have been taken down so you cannot see how stupid his videos are. Just keep you head buried in Russian propaganda and stay misinformed. You seem to like it.
Soon it will be time for Ukraine offensive. Russia is now culminating making this possible. This is an extremely important part of the war. A bad offensive could destroy Ukrainian's army ability to have future offensives from the loss of manpower. A good offensive could cause Putin serious problem trying to explain why he lost so much territory for the third time. Russia still controls much less territory now than it did just one month into the war. So, for the last nearly thirteen months Russia has a net loss of territory. Not sure how you call that Ukraine losing.
The USA is not fighting in this war. We never expected that Russia was so weak that they would not have won by now. We thought we would supply Ukraine a few weapons to make the war painful for Russia. It turned out the Russian military is so corrupt it could not carry out a war with a nation ranked about 25th in military capacity when the USA walked over a country that was ranked around number 5. Russia is fighting on its border where the USA had to fight a war at great distance which is much harder. Russia is turning out to be a toothless bear.
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China is projected to go to war with the USA somewhere around 2027 plus or minus over Tiawan.
You guys won't have a prayer. Let's be honest. You lost in Korea, Vietnam, and blokes in Afghanistan sent you fleeing and they only have 20-year-old Toyotas and wear flip-flops. Your Ukraine war against Russia is failing even though you dragged all of NATO in to supply them. What chance have you against China? Come now.
Name one instance where the US has attacked a country that can defend itself and won in your lifetime? You can't as there isn't one. You'll fail against Russia and you'll fail faster against China. I think Grenada and Hawaii were your last actual victories unless you go back to the 1700s. It's not happening, Tex.
Plus, I think the American *people* have no appetite to fight meaningless foreign wars anymore. They're already getting tired of the Ukraine shambles and all the money Biden is pouring into it. Have they the appetite to support a war with China over things they don't understand and places they cant find on a map? I doubt it.
Manny as you and most UKians have NO military experience and can fit your entire military into an average sized British Futbol stadium and are in fact a military vassal of the USA (Even though the USA/FED are a financial/economic vassal of the Rothschilds City of London British Crown Colony). A useful UK military who we put out front when we need to put an elite BBC British Accent on our Military Industrial Complex campaigns and claim that we are part of a democratic coalition. You are in-fact TOO NAIEVE to understand the goals of our Military Industrial Complex campaigns in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Yugoslavia and now Ukraine.
These campaigns allow a Dr. Demming style continuous quality control cycle (Adopted and perfected by the Japanese) to insure our Military Industrial Complex systems and equipment are in fact continuously battlefield tested. Taiwan, Japan and So. Korea and again Philippines are all major USA Allies all rearming to the teeth due to Emperor XI for life of Communist Freaking Red China's rabidly aggressive abuses of their Asian neighbors.
When these campaigns no longer provide R&D usefulness to our Global and Outer Space Military Industrial Complex - we leave prior to needing to use our MASSIVE THERMONUCLEAR ARSENAL with classified Huge Secret Space Force delivery systems (Search TR-3B, TR-3E and British Gary McKinnon's USAF Hacking discoveries of secret USSS (US Space Ships) GIANT ELECTRO-GRAVITIC or Element 115 Anti Matter Gravity Amplifier powered SPACECRAFT CARRIERS that maintain a 24/7 over watch of the entire globe... Elon Musk's Spacex is a sideshow distraction from our real secrets and a commercial launch system for Starlinks...
The Day the CCP, or NORKs get too stroppy and actually try to NUKE the USA for Real or attack our Surface Navy in the Pacific they will be terminated by our advanced particle beam weapons from Space.
The Russians are 100% aware of this as they are our partners in outer space and on the ISS. Hopefully once War Monger Victoria Nuland and Beijing CCP Elite Capture Biden are run out of office things will go back to normal cooperation with the USA and Russian Science Academies.
We do not showcase these Secret Space Force weapons as our EBE partners will cut us off from further advanced tech and physics that we are still trying to learn and comprehend if we use them offensively.
Search it on Yandex or DuckDuckGo - Google and Bing censor all this information.
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Brilliant "Graphics" Documentary...
Why Russia's Biggest Threat is Actually China
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Name one instance where the US has attacked a country that can defend itself and won in your lifetime? You can't as there isn't one. You'll fail against Russia and you'll fail faster against China.
Plus, I think the American *people* have no appetite to fight meaningless foreign wars anymore. They're already getting tired of the Ukraine shambles and all the money Biden is pouring into it. Have they the appetite to support a war with China over things they don't understand and places they cant find on a map? I doubt it.
Irrelevant points all of them.
The American people could very easily suddenly stop buying Chinese goods.
Half a billion Chinese would starve to death if the US and the Euros put the same
restrictions on China as they have with Russia. China has no natural resources,
they can't feed themselves. They can't keep their lights on or their factories
running.
The Chinese know all of this, they aren't stupid.
T2B You are Correct - This is in fact a primary reason that the CCP has not invaded Taiwan - A full NATO/Asian Allies Sanctions Regime on the CCP similar to Russia would cause the CCP's downfall within 6 to 9 months as their own people and PLA army would drag the CCP members - all of them, into the Streets and Beat them to Death then ask the west for forgiveness since the Ancient Chinese Proverbs indicate "Humility is a Weapon as well as a Virtue!"
Emperor XI of Communist Freaking Red China is a Megalomaniac.
This will not end well for China's CCP. The Brilliant Chinese when free people will likely follow Taiwan's lead in integrating with the Global High Tech Economies.
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China looking to greatly cut is need of gasoline by 2030.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/china-s-green-leap-forward-is-a-nightmare-for-saudi-arabia-and-russia/ar-AA19zzqG?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=f91d40164f114397d8e5163b6f42e1e1&ei=102
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China looking to greatly cut is need of gasoline by 2030.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/china-s-green-leap-forward-is-a-nightmare-for-saudi-arabia-and-russia/ar-AA19zzqG?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=f91d40164f114397d8e5163b6f42e1e1&ei=102
According to Commie Chinese1 sources at the CEIC there are 319,030,0002
registered cars in China. They don't have the electricity or the infrastructure
required to switch over to EV's.
The idea of swapping out batteries instead of waiting to charge has some merit
but..............
The idea of of a 90lb woman changing out a 450 pound battery3 is
unlikely. Even if you had 10 batteries a 90lb-120lb woman wouldn't be able to
do it. Old man forget it. This would require fork lift drivers with mechanical
knowlege to manage and it would require huge storage space at every facility.
Udachi!4
1.This means they will lie about anything and are totally untrustworthy.
2. https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/china/number-of-registered-vehicles#:~:text=China%20Number%20of%20Registered%20Vehicles%20was%20reported%20at%20319%2C030%2C000%20Unit,to%202022%2C%20with%2040%20observations.
3.https://blog.evbox.com/ev-battery-weight
4. Udachi! = Good luck! in Russian
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Name one instance where the US has attacked a country that can defend itself and won in your lifetime? You can't as there isn't one. You'll fail against Russia and you'll fail faster against China. I think Grenada and Hawaii were your last actual victories unless you go back to the 1700s. It's not happening, Tex.
Iraq, the USA completely defeated their military, hung their leader, took over the
country, hand built their government again from scratch and left. Japan, the USA
defeated them all over the Pacific took over their island, they unconditionally
surrendered (to the USA on the deck of the USS Missouri in Tokyo Bay),
replaced their government, made their GOD step down, rewrote their
constitution and left.
How do you define a Victory? Defeating a country militarily somewhere and
staying forever? Does it only include Hawaii, Texas, Wales, Northern Ireland
and such places? If so, your definition is too narrow.
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Name one instance where the US has attacked a country that can defend itself and won in your lifetime? You can't as there isn't one. You'll fail against Russia and you'll fail faster against China. I think Grenada and Hawaii were your last actual victories unless you go back to the 1700s. It's not happening, Tex.
Iraq, the USA completely defeated their military, hung their leader, took over the
country, hand built their government again from scratch and left. Japan, the USA
defeated them all over the Pacific took over their island, they unconditionally
surrendered (to the USA on the deck of the USS Missouri in Tokyo Bay),
replaced their government, made their GOD step down, rewrote their
constitution and left.
How do you define a Victory? Defeating a country militarily somewhere and
staying forever? Does it only include Hawaii, Texas, Wales, Northern Ireland
and such places? If so, your definition is too narrow.
Manny is a product of Russian propaganda which he believes never lies or distorts facts. So of course, this is not a war with Ukraine but since Russia did not win in three days, it is now called a war with all of Nato. At least is sounds if you want an excuse why they did not win in three days. The truth we never expected Ukraine to win this war, we just gave them a few left over junk weapons and the Russians started to lose. So now we are giving them a few better weapons and we will see what happens. Corrupt, incompetent Russian military just might lose the whole thing in Ukraine.
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The truth we never expected Ukraine to win this war, we just gave them a few left over junk weapons and the Russians started to lose. So now we are giving them a few better weapons and we will see what happens. Corrupt, incompetent Russian military just might lose the whole thing in Ukraine.
I think that the West is secretly afraid of Ukraine winning and are only giving
them enough to keep the sausage moving through the meat grinder. The West
may not have this as a goal but that seems to be the end result.
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Name one instance where the US has attacked a country that can defend itself and won in your lifetime? You can't as there isn't one. You'll fail against Russia and you'll fail faster against China. I think Grenada and Hawaii were your last actual victories unless you go back to the 1700s. It's not happening, Tex.
Iraq, the USA completely defeated their military, hung their leader, took over the
country, hand built their government again from scratch and left.
I did say a country that can defend itself. Iraq couldn't.
And how did that turn out? Is Iraq today a bastion of democracy with a capital full of people sipping lattes in pavement coffee shops?
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The truth we never expected Ukraine to win this war, we just gave them a few left over junk weapons and the Russians started to lose. So now we are giving them a few better weapons and we will see what happens. Corrupt, incompetent Russian military just might lose the whole thing in Ukraine.
I think that the West is secretly afraid of Ukraine winning and are only giving
them enough to keep the sausage moving through the meat grinder. The West
may not have this as a goal but that seems to be the end result.
Tex is again lying or forgetting to shift his brain into gear because I can assure him, it's more than just left over junk we've shipped over. In most cases, it's the best kit we've got and it's being tested on the battle field for us, by the kind Ukrainians. Of course there's some stuff we'll have emptied the cupboard out with but there's some pretty sensational bits of Western weaponry being used against Russia.
And I really don't understand what the game plan is for Ukraine, other than trying to weaken Russia and test out our weapons/Russian strategy in the field. If Ukraine were to 'win', then we'll have a serious nuclear threat on our hands. A bit of diplomacy and common sense regarding a cease fire is what everyone needs right now.
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I did say a country that can defend itself. Iraq couldn't.
And how did that turn out? Is Iraq today a bastion of democracy with a capital full of people sipping lattes in pavement coffee shops?
Moby Manny, you are moving the goalposts and who the f#ck cares if Iraq
is a wasteland after war with the USA? There is no definition that includes functioning
normally when you are claiming to defeat a country in war. The US defeated
Iraq, killed the leaders, destroyed their military and left.
Iraq is always going to be a corrupt tin pot sandland and the buggers of boys
and goats. It never will be a country that functions normally like Netherlands
or even Poland.
Lets review what you posted below
Name one instance where the US has attacked a country that can defend itself and won in your lifetime? You can't as there isn't one. You'll fail against Russia and you'll fail faster against China. I think Grenada and Hawaii were your last actual victories unless you go back to the 1700s.
Iraq had over 1 million in their armed forces and hundreds of billions in tier one
and two Russian weapons. They had fought an 8 year war with Iran and had
battle tested troops. Nobody except for the USA could have defeated them.
Tell me what is your definition of defending themselves? Having ICBM's?
Nuclear subs? Putting men into space? You have several undefined, factually
incorrect claims and there is significant, historical evidence/proof that you are
wrong.
Changing the definitions of reality is your only defense.
Warning 2tallbill is going to make a claim that will cause outrage among the
Russian apologists and sycophants
Warning 2tallbill is going to make a claim that will cause outrage among the
Russian apologists and sycophants
Warning 2tallbill is going to make a claim that will cause outrage among the
Russian apologists and sycophants
There is no way that China or Russia could have invaded Iraq and
defeated their army without nuking everything.