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Title: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Omega1982 on July 30, 2020, 11:27:04 PM
Love in the time of cholera might have been a bestseller, but love in the time of covid is a royal pain in the ass. 

How are you guys keeping the flame alive despite the distance? 

Is anyone else planning to meet their significant other in a third country?  If so what are the preparations and logistics looking like? 
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on July 31, 2020, 02:22:29 AM
Love in the time of cholera might have been a bestseller, but love in the time of covid is a royal pain in the ass. 

How are you guys keeping the flame alive despite the distance? 

Is anyone else planning to meet their significant other in a third country?  If so what are the preparations and logistics looking like?

Even meeting one's WIFE is fraught with issues..!

Been trying to get a FR Schengen for SC for 22 days ...  Type in she is the wife of an EU Citizen and want a long stay visa and the site ignores the input and asks the wrong questions .... should ask about ME ..

Schengen nations are only issuing long-term visas to Russians if they are joining their family .

Awaiting permission from the Consulate in Moscow to simply allow the pdf ( correctly filled in ) on 16th July to be processed

By the time SC gets it ... B and FR may be joining Spain and L'bourg on the black list

The normal happy hunting ground of Cyprus is still out for Folks from N.America / Russia

SC would have to quarantine in the UK or FR on arrival, which means I would, so my siblings will take over care of Ma,,

Turkey is a place we can meet up .. but it's not home..

STILL waiting to hear when I can get a family Visa to go to RU ..as ( currently) SC has to be with me to apply

Thinking of chartering a yacht in Thailand
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: andrewfi on July 31, 2020, 03:48:25 AM
It's an absolute pain in the arse.

Been unable to get back to the UK since the end of February. Now I can get back but ongoing restrictions make it hard for us to meet up (childcare).

We've been chatting, exchanging pics, video chat and all that stuff. In some ways it's made things stronger, but I've been feeling as though my life is in a holding pattern because the things we had planned to do couldn't happen. Everything is delayed.

Hopefully I'll be back over in 2 or 3 weeks andatters can start to move ahead but still, that's six months of our lives gone, lost.

Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Manny on July 31, 2020, 12:41:22 PM
Love in the time of cholera might have been a bestseller, but love in the time of covid is a royal pain in the ass. 

How are you guys keeping the flame alive despite the distance? 

Is anyone else planning to meet their significant other in a third country?  If so what are the preparations and logistics looking like?

Even meeting one's WIFE is fraught with issues..!

Been trying to get a FR Schengen for SC for 22 days ...  Type in she is the wife of an EU Citizen and want a long stay visa and the site ignores the input and asks the wrong questions .... should ask about ME ..

Schengen nations are only issuing long-term visas to Russians if they are joining their family .

Awaiting permission from the Consulate in Moscow to simply allow the pdf ( correctly filled in ) on 16th July to be processed

By the time SC gets it ... B and FR may be joining Spain and L'bourg on the black list

The normal happy hunting ground of Cyprus is still out for Folks from N.America / Russia

SC would have to quarantine in the UK or FR on arrival, which means I would, so my siblings will take over care of Ma,,

Turkey is a place we can meet up .. but it's not home..

STILL waiting to hear when I can get a family Visa to go to RU ..as ( currently) SC has to be with me to apply

Thinking of chartering a yacht in Thailand

Karma.

Imagine if you had chosen to pay for a proper UK visa for your wife like the rest of us did. Flights from Russia to the UK have resumed, she'd be here by now.

But you wanted to do it the "free way" like Mr EU smart arse with two passports and winging it with her in jail at Calais or Dover. Now you're scrambling about trying to find a third country to meet in, while hastily arranging "free" visas where you can each dodge a bunch of rules.

You'll know the Russian saying: "Greedy pays twice".  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Guile on July 31, 2020, 10:23:01 PM
That's Moby's life in a nutshell..always looking for the cheapest way.  that's why he'll couchsurf on strangers beds and try to bum off rides from fellow members. as expected he burned those bridges.

Moby you couldn't afford to charter a yacht let alone a dingy.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on July 31, 2020, 10:37:00 PM
Once more Manny seems DESPERATE to prove he is inattentive ...


I am not UK resident and SC had visas to come to the UK and Schengen zones. She can get new ones.. the issue is quarantining..( and the French are having tech issues with their visa application site for applications for EU family members.)



We are resident in a third EU nation.. but my Mum is in the UK and the plan was I come for two months, in winter, to take my turn caring for Ma.

Nearly eight months later.... I am still here.

Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Manny on August 01, 2020, 01:01:37 AM
I am not UK resident

Clearly you are. By your own admission you’ve been here eight months and that crosses the residency threshold.

Quote from: HMRC
If you’ve been in the UK for 183 or more days you’ll be a UK resident. There is no need to consider any other tests.

Source (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/rdr3-statutory-residence-test-srt/guidance-note-for-statutory-residence-test-srt-rdr3). You’ll be seeking a COVID exemption I’m sure. Or hoping to obfuscate the tallies by using different passports to enter and leave.  (:)

But having a brass plate nailed to a palm tree in Cyprus masquerading as Moby Inc, or some scrap of paper with a rubber stamp declaring you “resident” there has bit you in the arse.

Your wife got stamped in the UK once under an obscure EU ruling after being in the slammer. That’s not a proper visa, if it were, it could be renewed remotely (and she travel alone) and she could have hopped a plane last week and arrived to you.

You’re flapping to get a French Schengen, but if your methodology was sound, you could get one in twenty odd other states. Why not get her a Dutch or German Schengen for example? Or even an Irish one as you have a passport? I suspect they don’t recognise the shonky rules you seek to use. The frogs will let anyone in as we see at Sangatte. And you want to use France as a back door to the UK again.

Oh, what a tangled web we weave. When first we practise to deceive!
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 01, 2020, 02:29:28 AM
 :ROFL:

There was no need to prove your 'expertise' re my 'UK' residency status for all to see..))

The UK Border Agency tried to address my status as you did...

And FAILED, too..They had to go and check....

I am allowed to care for my Mum for how long, before my CY resiency lapses?.....

'Thank you'...

I have a CY address, phone number, monthly outgoings and incomings', 'thanks'..

You already made one daft ASSertion re Wifey's status...then you compounded it by 'telling us', mine))

Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Manny on August 01, 2020, 05:14:34 AM
The points I made were quite correct and you know it.

Had you obtained for your wife any kind of legitimate UK visa, be it spouse or tourist, she could come and go as she pleased - without being locked up at the border. But as you’re a know all whose antics have backfired, she’s stuck abroad till you can wriggle around the rules some other way.

So your “plight” as described in reply #1 is entirely self inflicted. And not really virus related.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Contrarian on August 01, 2020, 07:42:13 AM
Love in the time of cholera might have been a bestseller, but love in the time of covid is a royal pain in the ass. 

How are you guys keeping the flame alive despite the distance? 

Is anyone else planning to meet their significant other in a third country?  If so what are the preparations and logistics looking like?

Even meeting one's WIFE is fraught with issues..!

Been trying to get a FR Schengen for SC for 22 days ...  Type in she is the wife of an EU Citizen and want a long stay visa and the site ignores the input and asks the wrong questions .... should ask about ME ..

Schengen nations are only issuing long-term visas to Russians if they are joining their family .

Awaiting permission from the Consulate in Moscow to simply allow the pdf ( correctly filled in ) on 16th July to be processed

By the time SC gets it ... B and FR may be joining Spain and L'bourg on the black list

The normal happy hunting ground of Cyprus is still out for Folks from N.America / Russia

SC would have to quarantine in the UK or FR on arrival, which means I would, so my siblings will take over care of Ma,,

Turkey is a place we can meet up .. but it's not home..

STILL waiting to hear when I can get a family Visa to go to RU ..as ( currently) SC has to be with me to apply

Thinking of chartering a yacht in Thailand

Karma.

Imagine if you had chosen to pay for a proper UK visa for your wife like the rest of us did. Flights from Russia to the UK have resumed, she'd be here by now.

But you wanted to do it the "free way" like Mr EU smart arse with two passports and winging it with her in jail at Calais or Dover. Now you're scrambling about trying to find a third country to meet in, while hastily arranging "free" visas where you can each dodge a bunch of rules.

You'll know the Russian saying: "Greedy pays twice".  :coffeeread:

   :ROFL:      :ROFL:       :ROFL:        :ROFL:       :ROFL:

Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: rosco on August 01, 2020, 09:22:10 AM
Even meeting one's WIFE is fraught with issues..!

The only people having to ‘meet’ their own wife, are the ones Manny described above.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 01, 2020, 09:46:38 AM
The points I made were quite correct and you know it.

My goodness, is it SO hard for you to admit you were simply wrong?

Up to June 26th SC has a current Family Permit visa. She could have come to the UK...

Upto 25th June she had a Schengen.


Had you obtained for your wife any kind of legitimate UK visa, be it spouse or tourist, she could come and go as she pleased - without being locked up at the border.

She had a legit UK visa, thanks and will have one, again... the issue that upsets you is that it will be FREE ( again)...but it will still not help as she would have to quarantine for 1r days and we would have to join with her.

But as you’re a know all whose antics have backfired, she’s stuck abroad till you can wriggle around the rules some other way.

So your “plight” as described in reply #1 is entirely self inflicted. And not really virus related.

OK, let's indulge you...what would have happened of SC had come to the UK on June 9th? She still had a UK visa?

Here's a clue...she would have been allowed in...but would have had to quarantine...and so would we.

IF she had a tourist visa...She would not have been allowed to leave RU..

When it comes to immigration  stuff, best leave it to someone who REALLY knows...and demonstrably better than you OR many UKBA staff.

Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Manny on August 01, 2020, 05:06:48 PM
The points I made were quite correct and you know it.

My goodness, is it SO hard for you to admit you were simply wrong?

OK, book her a flight next week, use a valid UK visa, when she arrives, I'll send her a bottle of Moet Chandon down with DPD as a welcome to the UK gift from RUA.

That offer is open for one month.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: d672 on August 01, 2020, 07:37:11 PM

Here's a clue...she would have been allowed in...but would have had to quarantine...and so would we.


 So what are you trying to say That even your wife can't handle being around you for 14 days? I guess that's believable!  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Contrarian on August 01, 2020, 07:51:36 PM

Here's a clue...she would have been allowed in...but would have had to quarantine...and so would we.


 So what are you trying to say That even your wife can't handle being around you for 14 days? I guess that's believable!  :chuckle:

 :canada: :BEER:  :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: tiphat
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 02, 2020, 12:39:43 AM

 So what are you trying to say That even your wife can't handle being around you for 14 days? I guess that's believable!  :chuckle:

I realise you don't need to pay attention, but I have been sheltering sith my elderly Ma with Alzheimer's..Only came

As of yesterday, her official stay well away from other folks ended and she was going stir crazy to get out and meet friends ( socially distancing, of course)

If SC comes here, Ma would be confined, immediately.

Sis' was due down to take over, but she is from Manchester... folks there are banned from going into other's houses....

Clearer, now.....?)



Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 02, 2020, 12:43:15 AM

OK, book her a flight next week, use a valid UK visa, when she arrives, I'll send her a bottle of Moet Chandon down with DPD as a welcome to the UK gift from RUA.

That offer is open for one month.

Just send it as an apology, anyway.

Repeat after me...

1/SC has only ever been to the UK, legally...

2/ Moby is not UK resident and educated me as to exceptions
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: rosco on August 02, 2020, 03:45:55 AM

Here's a clue...she would have been allowed in...but would have had to quarantine...and so would we.


 So what are you trying to say That even your wife can't handle being around you for 14 days? I guess that's believable!  :chuckle:

Moby attempting to use the quarantine excuse, as a reason why they can’t be together, is one of the most lame I’ve seen even from him. Her ‘free’ visa has expired yet had they applied and paid for a proper one, this wouldn’t even be an issue.

Manny’s description of Moby & his antics is right on the money yet Moby isn’t big enough to admit it.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Manny on August 02, 2020, 06:05:29 AM

OK, book her a flight next week, use a valid UK visa, when she arrives, I’ll send her a bottle of Moet Chandon down with DPD as a welcome to the UK gift from RUA.

That offer is open for one month.

Just send it as an apology, anyway.

Repeat after me...

1/SC has only ever been to the UK, legally...

2/ Moby is not UK resident and educated me as to exceptions

I never suggested her visit here was illegal.

Your claim to be non resident is firstly factually incorrect as you’re here, and a sham in any event. It’s probably to evade you being taxed here. Having a few phone bills and some supporting documents to fabricate the illusion of residency in Cyprus might keep HMRC off your back as you’re small fry. We can all see through you though.

I maintain that the separation from your wife was entirely avoidable by any regular person who goes about things the normal way. Your ducking and diving and obsession with getting everything for free has bit you in the arse.

Get used to it. Now we’re out of the EU, the obscure pathways you use to wriggle around visas, taxes, etc will close.

Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Guile on August 02, 2020, 07:08:55 AM

OK, book her a flight next week, use a valid UK visa, when she arrives, I'll send her a bottle of Moet Chandon down with DPD as a welcome to the UK gift from RUA.

That offer is open for one month.

Just send it as an apology, anyway.



2/ Moby is not UK resident and educated me as to exceptions

Manny, not a good idea to send a drunk free champagne.  He won't even let the Miss have a sip knowing mobbie.  he'll chug that straight down.

Moby you ain't a UK resident?  :-X ???  tax dodging at it's worst.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: andrewfi on August 02, 2020, 08:43:59 AM
He must believe this stuff.
In his mind, his version of reality he:
Has a degree in biology
Fought with the Blue Berets
Has not been in the UK long enough to be considered resident there
Obtained residency for his current wife
Was offered officer training with the Royal Navy
... And more that I don't recall for the time being.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: d672 on August 02, 2020, 11:45:47 AM

 So what are you trying to say That even your wife can't handle being around you for 14 days? I guess that's believable!  :chuckle:

I realise you don't need to pay attention, but I have been sheltering sith my elderly Ma with Alzheimer's..Only came

As of yesterday, her official stay well away from other folks ended and she was going stir crazy to get out and meet friends ( socially distancing, of course)

If SC comes here, Ma would be confined, immediately.

Sis' was due down to take over, but she is from Manchester... folks there are banned from going into other's houses....

Clearer, now.....?)

 Oh yes, it's very clear... that you are losing track of your lies and excuses and forget what you said. You were talking about if she came before her visa expired, June 9th, not now. The quarantine would be long over and your mom would not be effected today. You can't use her as an excuse this time!

 In a way I can see why you are coming up with all these excuses. By your own admission there was a way for SC to come be with you so you could be together. You would think a newly wed wife would jump at the chance to be with her husband, especially after being apart for months. But at the end of the day the fact is she chose not to. That's gotta sting... no wonder you don't want to admit it! I damn near feel sorry for you on that one!
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 02, 2020, 12:40:08 PM
Pray tell us why Russia would let a resident of Cyprus fly to the UK?

Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Manny on August 02, 2020, 08:43:48 PM
Pray tell us why Russia would let a resident of Cyprus fly to the UK?

Don’t be absurd. Your wife is a Russian citizen, there would be no restriction on her flying to the UK since they resumed flights if she had a visa.

But. She. Hasn’t.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: d672 on August 02, 2020, 09:00:28 PM
 
Pray tell us why Russia would let a resident of Cyprus fly to the UK?

Don’t be absurd. Your wife is a Russian citizen, there would be no restriction on her flying to the UK since they resumed flights if she had a visa.

 Lol, so pathetic. He gets caught with his pants down with that outright lie and that was the best he could come up with to try to deflect.


But. She. Hasn’t.

 She didn't want to. The more I think about it the more it makes sense.  :coffeeread:



Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Manny on August 02, 2020, 09:33:20 PM
Pray tell us why Russia would let a resident of Cyprus fly to the UK?

Don’t be absurd. Your wife is a Russian citizen, there would be no restriction on her flying to the UK since they resumed flights if she had a visa.

 Lol, so pathetic. He gets caught with his pants down with that outright lie and that was the best he could come up with to try to deflect.


But. She. Hasn’t.

 She didn't want to. The more I think about it the more it makes sense.  :coffeeread:

It’s my understanding that the loophole he used to get her in once is conditional on them travelling together. The stamp he then claimed was a visa was nothing of the sort - it allowed entry with certain conditions. So during its validity, unless he travelled to her and brought her back, she couldn’t enter on it. Or with another.

As he is with his mother, he can’t travel out to bring her.

He cant or won’t pay for a conventional visa, or more likely can’t muster up the correct supporting documents and income, as he is “resident” elsewhere.

He’s scored an own goal. His “non resident” japes prevent him doing things a normal resident can. Like importing your wife. You can’t import women to places you claim not to live. Well, not easily and for free anyway.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: d672 on August 02, 2020, 09:49:56 PM
 Ahhh, ok. Thanks for clearing that up. Not surprisingly that's a totally different situation than what Moby has been trying to tell us here.
 It definitely sounds like he is a victim of his own circumstances. Now its all coming back to bite him in the ass.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 02, 2020, 10:11:31 PM
 :ROFL:

'Clearing up'?

You believe Manny's 'understanding' accurately portrays current UK immigration rules and our current situation/ wifey's feelings ?

Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 02, 2020, 10:43:21 PM

I never suggested her visit here was illegal.


Hmmm, selective memory issues....? I highlighted what you suggested in May 2020  :chuckle:

(https://i.imgur.com/e1FVC0C.png) 'sneaks women across international frontiers in questionable circumstances' ? ...




Your claim to be non resident is firstly factually incorrect as you’re here, and a sham in any event. It’s probably to evade you being taxed here. Having a few phone bills and some supporting documents to fabricate the illusion of residency in Cyprus might keep HMRC off your back as you’re small fry. We can all see through you though.

'Fabricate'? You really are making an arse of yourself, today... 

Do you think the UKBA didn't check the payments, bills, etc.?  ..

Naturally, they did and this has been mentioned many times...


I maintain that the separation from your wife was entirely avoidable by any regular person who goes about things the normal way.


What is 'normal' about sharing a life with a Alzheimer's sufferer?...

The original intention was for her to spend 1 month in Thailand and I to join her and return in late March...

My siblings still need to work and only one of us could look after Ma when lockdown and 'bubbles' cut in ...

Possession of a valid visa during a time where 'Public Health and Hygiene' became primary criteria is not something one argues about at borders ..

Your ducking and diving and obsession with getting everything for free has bit you in the arse.

As usual, when a member thinks they know more about our off board existence and immigration rules, THEY are the one's making arse's of themselves...


Get used to it. Now we’re out of the EU, the obscure pathways you use to wriggle around visas, taxes, etc will close.

1/ will remain an EU citizen and

2/ Irish passport holders via the CTA will never need residency...

3/ Those born in N.I. must now be treated as EU citizens...
 :coffeeread:

He must believe this stuff.
In his mind, his version of reality he:
Has a degree in biology
Fought with the Blue Berets
Has not been in the UK long enough to be considered resident there
Obtained residency for his current wife
Was offered officer training with the Royal Navy
... And more that I don't recall for the time being.

Poor 'ol andrewfail,

I saw action with the Blue Berets and was indeed on the list to start at Graduate Officer training at  Dartmouth in autumn '80 AND you remembered my other qualie.. ( BTW two former fellow HND students joined the RAF at the same time with the same officer rank / pay - shoud I tell them their lives were imagined, too ?;)   )

My wife JUST back back into Russia on THE last flight before scheduled and charter flights in and out were banned.

She got home and didn't need to quarantine, unlike a member's wife arriving in Russia from Britain.  These were / are crazy times. SC was due to fly onto the UK but RUSSIA forbade her leaving.

 
Luckily, for us, it's still love in the time of COVID..  despite the challenges.

SC has a better sewing machine, and on the non beach days 'knocks up' skirts, tops and dresses and I appreciate the fashion shows ..

(https://i.imgur.com/Aa8r7Gi.jpg)







Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Contrarian on August 02, 2020, 11:35:02 PM
Ahhh, ok. Thanks for clearing that up. Not surprisingly that's a totally different situation than what Moby has been trying to tell us here.
 It definitely sounds like he is a victim of his own circumstances. Now its all coming back to bite him in the ass.

Karma baby!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: andrewfi on August 02, 2020, 11:54:47 PM
If she wanted to be with Lying Moby she'd be with him - she'd not have left him.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 03, 2020, 12:38:03 AM
If she wanted to be with Lying Moby she'd be with him - she'd not have left him.

Andrewfail,

Why the constant need to mention 'fibbing' on MY part, when you are the culprit ?

1/ She ( and I want ) to be together..  and future images will render your pronouncements moribund ..

2/ She 'left' with my suggestion and blessing .. would YOU put your wife / g/f through sleep deprivation dealing with the night terrors and screams at night ?  ( Ma has subsequently tried various med cocktails to try to help her sleep at night, but not turn her into a zombie during the day )   Neither of us expected my enforced, stay in the UK ..

This thread is about LOVE during the COVID-19 crisis ... not your innate ability to prevent yourself from:

a/ making stuff up

b/ suggesting others have your issues .. :coffeeread:

My Wife has been a veritable brick (a reliable person. British slang..."You can always rely on Joe - he's such a brick".) during our ( until Aug 1st) enforced separation.

Not many wives would be so understanding to encourage an ex-Wife to be called in to assist ( whilst she was unable to work ) and help by accompanying Ma and I on a couple of day trips (caring for Ma and staying with her, so I can drop her off then park the car) .. to allow Ma to see places, I couldn't possibly take her to, alone.   

(https://i.imgur.com/H9r4jZN.jpg)

Said ladies communicate regularly, have met face to face several times and cared enough to conspire to get us out and about .... 

Now that really is Love in Covid in action  !


Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 03, 2020, 01:34:01 AM
Pray tell us why Russia would let a resident of Cyprus fly to the UK?

Don’t be absurd. Your wife is a Russian citizen, there would be no restriction on her flying to the UK since they resumed flights if she had a visa.

But. She. Hasn’t.

There's that 'knowledge' of yours coming into play, AGAIN ..

1/ Under current RU COVID-19  rules ..Unless SC has RESIDENCY in a third country - she cannot fly ( directly ) there ..that excluded the UK .. She could have flown to Cyprus ( and quarantined, alone ) I could not take Ma ( even if she was persuaded TO go ) as she is NOT a resident of Cyprus ....

2/ Since Saturday - 1st August - those with 'non Resident  UK Visas'  can fly, but those arriving from RU must quarantine ... IF she comes here, then WE .. that is I ( and the issue here ..Ma ) must stay in ... Ma has just been 'freed' ..  after nearly five months sheltering ..

Absurd, is your failing to appreciate having a visa does / did not allow travel / entry



Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Manny on August 03, 2020, 01:57:45 AM

I never suggested her visit here was illegal.


Hmmm, selective memory issues....? I highlighted what you suggested in May 2020  :chuckle:

(https://i.imgur.com/e1FVC0C.png) 'sneaks women across international frontiers in questionable circumstances' ? ...

Indeed, you confirmed I didn't claim illegality, I said questionable circumstances. That was demonstrably true because she got locked up at the border.

English is a tricky language till you get the hang of it.

Let's remind ourselves of the topic title.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Guile on August 03, 2020, 02:53:34 AM
Moby plagiarizes so much he took this thread topic title and used it on the other forum?!! :'( :'( 
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 03, 2020, 02:56:25 AM

Indeed, you confirmed I didn’t claim illegality, I said questionable circumstances.

Wow, and you speak of 'swerves' ..  :ROFL:

What, pray, was / is 'questionable' about SC's pitching up at Dunkirk and gaining admission to the UK, without a Visa ...Are you STILL as ignorant as the first sen UKBA official we encountered ? 

NOTHING 'illegal' - you just don't like the EU Directive .

YOU are the one who keeps suggesting I've been less than honest with UK officials and suggested my documentation might not  have been accurate ....  They watched me login into my bank accounts - as I offered them overwhelming evidence of my place of main existence - something now ruled as illegal ( Feb 2020)



That was demonstrably true because she got locked up at the border.

She was detained ( separately ) from me and it was explained then ( and now) that she was not locked in and was free to leave detention at any time ... though that would have meant accepting non entry to the UK ...

English is a tricky language till you get the hang of it.

Let’s remind ourselves of the topic title.

Love during COVID .. and despite yours, and others 'best' attempts to suggest otherwise .. I'm VERY happy to confirm your mistaken ASSertions re our relationship status and migration under current  COVID regs ..

Let's remind ourselves that IF you make stuff up, its only correct the legally correct info is available ... There might be other EU members hoping their wifes / long-term partners can travel to join them ..

YOU ( wrongly ) suggested that SC could not travel alone  :chuckle:

Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: rosco on August 03, 2020, 03:28:47 AM
The truth is almost always straight forward and simple. Nothing Moby ever does or says is straight forward or simple. It’s always a mess, with layers of oddities and obscure scenarios.

Whatever he might claim, we can all be sure that his sneaky backhanded, manoeuvres have seen him caught short this time. I find it amusing that he still tries to play the victim......yet again!!

If you play with fire long enough, you’ll get your hands burnt.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 03, 2020, 04:28:24 AM
Rosco,

Why must you also prove your unwillingness to accept FACT

FACT :  I have been sheltering Ma and she cannot go to Cyprus

FACT: SC can go to CY ( Me, too )  ( but Ma could not.. as not resident.NOW she can take a test ... but would YOU take an advance Alzheimer's suffer on a plane ? )

FACT: SC and I can now meet in Turkey ... but my 'Sis' lives in Manchester ....now,  cannot come down to take over .. she cannot stay in another persons house ..only go in the garden - so she cannot care for Ma...  Bro's family ..( 4 members are back at work and leaving Ma with a 15 year old ....Na..)


FACT : SC can now fly to the UK ( but that means we ALL have to stay in )

For us, the doors ( windows of opportunity ) are now opening ...  the only complication, now is who/ which sibling (?)  will care for Ma..and not to go work - if SC comes here and has to quarantine ..

Before Saturday Aug 1st .. we had no options .... CLEAR ?




Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: rosco on August 03, 2020, 06:29:30 AM

FACT : SC can now fly to the UK ( but that means we ALL have to stay in )

You told us her stamp expired. You told us that you haven't paid for a proper spouse or visitor visa. You told us that you're not together so it's unclear how she can travel with you to get into the UK. All of that said, lets assume she can legally fly to and enter the UK on her own, your reasons for not doing so are sad.

A newly wed wife, having been pulled apart from her wonderful husband for coming on half a year on, would do what she had to do to be together. Her not coming because she'd have to stay in is a terrible excuse. She's not coming because;

A) She cant
B) She doesn't want to be with you

This probably explains why you behave like you do. Rejection stings. Throw in all your "I'm a resident in a 3rd EU country" bollocks and we all know why you're living with mummy. The fiddler got caught.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Manny on August 03, 2020, 08:49:58 AM

FACT : SC can now fly to the UK ( but that means we ALL have to stay in )

You told us her stamp expired. You told us that you haven't paid for a proper spouse or visitor visa. You told us that you're not together so it's unclear how she can travel with you to get into the UK.

She can’t come on her own without a visa or a stamp in travelling with him. And he has indeed told us her stamp ran out.

Moby, pray tell, under which legal mechanism do you imagine she can enter the UK tomorrow alone? Teach us something.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 03, 2020, 11:17:54 AM
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You told us her stamp expired. You told us that you haven't paid for a proper spouse or visitor visa. You told us that you're not together so it's unclear how she can travel with you to get into the UK. All of that said, lets assume she can legally fly to and enter the UK on her own, your reasons for not doing so are sad.

A newly wed wife, having been pulled apart from her wonderful husband for coming on half a year on, would do what she had to do to be together. Her not coming because she'd have to stay in is a terrible excuse. She's not coming because;

A) She cant
B) She doesn't want to be with you

This probably explains why you behave like you do. Rejection stings. Throw in all your "I'm a resident in a 3rd EU country" bollocks and we all know why you're living with mummy. The fiddler got caught.

Rosco falls over himself to prove he will not read..

1/ both her UK FP visa and Schengen expired..yes... what difference did that make? Having a current Schengen will not admit her to most Schengen nations, and we await a decision on the UK one as they have the Lublic Health and Hygiene 'excuse'.

2/ WHY would I apply for a UK spousal visa? Is SC going to live here?


No one is 'rejecting' her they are simpler not issuing Visas for non Residents.

3/ Only a total numpty would STILL be suggesting SC doesn't want to come...

Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 03, 2020, 11:26:55 AM

She can’t come on her own without a visa or a stamp in travelling with him. And he has indeed told us her stamp ran out.

Moby, pray tell, under which legal mechanism do you imagine she can enter the UK tomorrow alone? Teach us something.  :popcorn:

OK..

Challenge accepted...wait and see...You NEVER learn..
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: sparky114 on August 03, 2020, 01:15:56 PM


She got home and didn't need to quarantine, unlike a member's wife arriving in Russia from Britain.  These were / are crazy times. SC was due to fly onto the UK but RUSSIA forbade her leaving.

 
Aha that will be my wife your talking about then!

Yes quarantined for 14 days 2 covid swab tests taken (both Negative), and the the news there is? ohh thats right she enjoyed time in the family house looking after them all, had no real need to go out anyway.

Continued to spend the rest of her trip looking after our grandaughter ( that might be news on here that i got made Grandfather in November last year) :P

Then she got stuck in Russia for the month of May due to border closures, but seeing that she has the right and the correct paperwork to return to the UK the FCO / UK Embassy Moscow office were more than kind to get her on a repatriation flight once proof had been given ( available even if you just a have a residency permit) at the beginning of  June ...  Home since then 2 weeks of resting in the UK  and back to normal life :)

Now thats how to do the process properly :)

Now come on.. you can get a Visa to fly to /Russia now Moby just get her to send a letter of invatation this and a current Russian notorised copy of your marriage cert and you will be on a flight super quick. ohh and you will need to have a current test certificate for Covid
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Manny on August 03, 2020, 03:31:18 PM
that might be news on here that i got made Grandfather in November last year) :P

Many congratulations.  tiphat
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: AvHdB on August 03, 2020, 09:07:19 PM

She can’t come on her own without a visa or a stamp in travelling with him. And he has indeed told us her stamp ran out.

Moby, pray tell, under which legal mechanism do you imagine she can enter the UK tomorrow alone? Teach us something.  :popcorn:

OK..

Challenge accepted...wait and see...You NEVER learn..

Quite possibly we will read a litany of reasons that it can not/did not happen. In the end though I fear ms will find a reason that it is not possible, convienyent, feasible, practical or otherwise for Mrs. ms to join her husband in the UK. Ah the Moby swerve in the real world.

Anyways the Irish tragedy will play out for us to read.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Manny on August 03, 2020, 11:02:05 PM

She can’t come on her own without a visa or a stamp in travelling with him. And he has indeed told us her stamp ran out.

Moby, pray tell, under which legal mechanism do you imagine she can enter the UK tomorrow alone? Teach us something.  :popcorn:

OK..

Challenge accepted...wait and see...You NEVER learn..

You’d think he’d know off the top of his head which visa type or rule she can use to travel to the UK unaccompanied. Yet here we are the following day and he’s silent.  :prophead:

Come on Moby, tell us under which legal mechanism do you imagine she can enter the UK tomorrow alone?
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 04, 2020, 01:06:16 AM




Now come on.. you can get a Visa to fly to /Russia now Moby just get her to send a letter of invatation this and a current Russian notorised copy of your marriage cert and you will be on a flight super quick. ohh and you will need to have a current test certificate for Covid

Thanks for the info, Sparky ...

I can get a Visa to go TO Russia  since August 1st, but STILL await the response as to if SC still needs to accompany me at the London end..which is somewhat impossible ..   

Sadly, Ma is going downhill( fast ) and my posting times reflect somewhat interrupted sleep patterns .. Not even sure if Sis' is 'allowed' to come down at the weekend from Manchester - given their 'special treatment' re COVID-19

NO way, I can take Ma for a day trip to London and we normally use Manchester VAC - as she can accompany me,

Looks like SC will have to come to me)
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: rosco on August 04, 2020, 01:25:42 AM
Moby wants us to wait patiently for him to teach us. It’s a bit like the, ‘I’ll prove I saw action with the blue berets, but in my own time.’

It’s the last card for a liar to play. I feel sorry for his new wife but it’s starting to look like she’s happy to live without him.

She just needs to watch him claw his chicken off on Skype a few times a week.  :sick0012:
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: andrewfi on August 04, 2020, 01:40:46 AM
Of course your wife should come to be with you. In the circumstances that shouldn't even be something for discussion.

If she isn't with you, given that you and she made certain that she had the appropriate documents at the time of her previous visit to the UK it'd be a pretty sure sign of you not having a real marriage or relationship if your wife did not move heaven and earth to be with her husband.

Perhaps that's a question of the marriage that one might not wish to have answered? I can understand Lying Moby's prevarication in that context.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Markje on August 04, 2020, 01:47:17 AM
I got made Grandfather in November last year) :P

Congrats Sparky!!! many happy years to come.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 04, 2020, 03:02:36 AM
Of course your wife should come to be with you. In the circumstances that shouldn't even be something for discussion.

If she isn't with you, given that you and she made certain that she had the appropriate documents at the time of her previous visit to the UK it'd be a pretty sure sign of you not having a real marriage or relationship if your wife did not move heaven and earth to be with her husband.

Perhaps that's a question of the marriage that one might not wish to have answered? I can understand Lying Moby's prevarication in that context.

'Lying Moby' notes you never concede when you've repeatedly made an arse of yourself.

Naturally, IF I had been in Cyprus...SC could have come, earlier...

Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Manny on August 04, 2020, 06:34:11 AM
IF I had been in Cyprus...SC could have come, earlier...

According to you she can travel here alone. But you are about to "teach" me which visa she may use to do this.  :coffeeread:

No rush, do mother related stuff first. That takes priority, naturally.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: andrewfi on August 04, 2020, 06:44:24 AM
But, but, but, you told us that your current wife has UK residency. She does not need you to accompany her - or were you not being quite truthful before?

No need to hurry with your reply, we know that you were being dishonest - again.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: AvHdB on August 04, 2020, 08:36:15 PM
Pray tell us why Russia would let a resident of Cyprus fly to the UK?

While quite easy to do, I am confused by the above. We will hope at least one of you are coming. Your reply #32 is what seems to be cause of the confusion.

Are Cypriot residents flying to the UK a matter of concern to the Russian authorities?

Perhaps there are some other details that I have overlooked. Please feel to elaborate.

As I understand the situation is; Mrs. ms would like to be with the real Mr. ms in the UK. So what is the legal ways to do this?
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Contrarian on August 04, 2020, 09:16:31 PM
Pray tell us why Russia would let a resident of Cyprus fly to the UK?

While quite easy to do, I am confused by the above. We will hope at least one of you are coming. Your reply #32 is what seems to be cause of the confusion.

Are Cypriot residents flying to the UK a matter of concern to the Russian authorities?

Perhaps there are some other details that I have overlooked. Please feel to elaborate.

As I understand the situation is; Mrs. ms would like to be with the real Mr. ms in the UK. So what is the legal ways to do this?


Do it the right way from the start, instead of trying to be a cheap con artist.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 04, 2020, 09:37:59 PM
But, but, but, you told us that your current wife has UK residency. She does not need you to accompany her - or were you not being quite truthful before?

No need to hurry with your reply, we know that you were being dishonest - again.

The need to respond is to point out ( AGAIN) that 'lying moby' has repeatedly claimed

1/ SC and I hadn't sought UK residency ..

2/ A Family Permit Visa entitles a non-EU citizen to reside / work in the UK and there was ( still isn't ) a  legal requirement to apply for residency ...  She could up to June 2021


Once again, Andrewfi felt the need to demonstrate his 'knowledge' of the EU Directive... 2004/38/EC

Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 04, 2020, 09:42:20 PM
While quite easy to do, I am confused by the above. We will hope at least one of you are coming. Your reply #32 is what seems to be cause of the confusion.

Are Cypriot residents flying to the UK a matter of concern to the Russian authorities?

Perhaps there are some other details that I have overlooked. Please feel to elaborate.

As I understand the situation is; Mrs. ms would like to be with the real Mr. ms in the UK. So what is the legal ways to do this?

Up to Aug 1st , 2020

RU citizens were not permitted to fly to the UK without residency in said nation ..

Mr and Mrs S would like to be together elsewhere, but Mr S' Ma is in the UK and cannot travel ...  In fact as you might see by the time of this post .... Mr S' Ma is somewhat confused as to night and day ..
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 04, 2020, 09:55:19 PM


Do it the right way from the start, instead of trying to be a cheap con artist.

Instead of reading the bollox of others ( who don't have a clue about immigration law appertaining to a wife who doesn't currently reside in the UK )  why don't you tell us what the 'right way' is ? ..

You could even post a TR of one of your trips to the FSU and success with a lady from same..

A UK visitor Visa costs c.100 quid... SC doesn't even NEED a visa - as I've demonstrated -  a spousal visa is substantially more to achieve a lessor status and SHE DOES NOT intend to live here ... 

'Con artists'


The irony of you suggesting such a term.. given you've sent messages to folks suggesting I've 'hacked' this forum .. Only a total prick would have believed that let alone suggested it to others ..



Best you stick to discussing the funbags of lasses in  pics to the right - that's the nearest you're getting to 'reality' ... :coffeeread:
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 04, 2020, 09:57:46 PM

According to you she can travel here alone.

With a FP Visa - she can ... holding a CY residency permit, she could

But you are about to "teach" me which visa she may use to do this.  :coffeeread:

No rush, do mother related stuff first. That takes priority, naturally.

Thank you,

Pics paint a thousand words, eh ?
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Manny on August 04, 2020, 11:23:41 PM

According to you she can travel here alone.

With a FP Visa - she can ... holding a CY residency permit, she could

Do you mean Family Permit? Or 'F and P' categories? Be clear now lest you swerve later.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 05, 2020, 03:28:03 AM
Given you have continually  posed factual and circumstantial tosh...the 'swerving is your domain.....

'Family Permit'...

Read, learn and inwardly digest...

Then remember that UK law is SECONDARY to the Directive....
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Manny on August 05, 2020, 08:17:16 AM
Under which specific grounds do you believe she currently qualifies for an EEA Family Permit?

Which passport would you be relying on to enable her entry?

For others, the grounds are here: https://www.gov.uk/family-permit/eea-family-permit

And the question to Moby was this:

Quote
She can't come on her own without a visa or a stamp in travelling with him. And he has indeed told us her stamp ran out.

Moby, pray tell, under which legal mechanism do you imagine she can enter the UK tomorrow alone?

It's like getting blood out of a stone.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 05, 2020, 12:03:03 PM
Under which specific grounds do you believe she currently qualifies for an EEA Family Permit?

Under the basis that:  1/ She was admitted on the basis of the Directive, before and 2/ She'll be admitted, again ..

Which passport would you be relying on to enable her entry?

Both .. Surrinder Singh .. You've been spoon-fed this before.. PLUS my being born in N.I means the UK govt MUST treat me like any EU citizen exercising his treaty rights

Quote
She can’t come on her own without a visa or a stamp in travelling with him. And he has indeed told us her stamp ran out.

She CAN .. Why must you repeat and prove your inability to take the word of an expert ..

When my Step-son travelled to Greece to meet me in 2012 - he was refused boarding and I immediately instituted legal action against the agents and travel company .. they believed as you did ..  :'(  They settled on receiving the legal letter and upgraded the lad and his g/f and paid for the taxi from the Cotswolds to Gatwick

Moby, pray tell, under which legal mechanism do you imagine she can enter the UK tomorrow alone?

IF there was no Covid-19 and normal conditions applied ...( govts. have the Public Health and Hygiene get out .. ) I'd offer you a million quid on it ..


It's like getting blood out of a stone.

What a strange thing to say.. given YOU are the one failing to read ..

Violetta was in and out of the UK sans moi with a FP visa ..

Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 05, 2020, 12:13:43 PM
It is a pity I must ram this home..AGAIN

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/entry-exit/non-eu-family/index_en.htm (https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/entry-exit/non-eu-family/index_en.htm)

Arriving at the border without an entry visa
It is always best for your non-EU family members to be well-informed in advance and to have all the necessary documents before starting their journey.

However, if they arrive at the border with their passport but without an entry visa, the border authorities should give them the opportunity to prove by other means that they are family members of a mobile EU citizen. They can do so by providing proof of their identity and family ties with an EU citizen (for example a marriage or birth certificate) and, proof that they are joining or accompanying the EU citizen (for example, proof that the EU citizen is already living in the country where entry is sought). If they manage to prove it, they should be issued with an entry visa on the spot.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: rosco on August 06, 2020, 12:44:39 AM
When my Step-son travelled to Greece to meet me in 2012 - he was refused boarding and I immediately instituted legal action against the agents and travel company .. they believed as you did ..

Always the victim eh Moby? It’s this sort of thing that makes you sound like a knob.

This stuff is all very well but in reality, I can’t think of an airline who would let your absent wife board a plane bound for the UK, based on an out of date smudged stamp in her passport.

My wife’s biggest problems were being allowed to board a plane in Minsk bound for the UK, with a bought and paid for time limited official visa, stuck in her passport. Your EU directives may technically be on your side for now but don’t get upset when people don’t buy your crap easily.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 06, 2020, 01:26:14 AM


When my Step-son travelled to Greece to meet me in 2012 - he was refused boarding and I immediately instituted legal action against the agents and travel company .. they believed as you did ..

Always the victim eh Moby? It’s this sort of thing that makes you sound like a knob.

Hmm, as the victims were my step-son and then g/f that's an interesting 'perspective' ... :chuckle:



This stuff is all very well but in reality, I can’t think of an airline who would let your absent wife board a plane bound for the UK, based on an out of date smudged stamp in her passport.

Esp, in these times, I'd agree ...  The 'trick' ( sans visa ) was to ensure she presented herself at  a UK border ...  You know the result ... ENTRY ...   You've read the current rules ...   


Nothing dodgy, cheap or 'questionable' ... our Absolute right ...  "So, you think you can just tip up here and think your wife will be admitted", asked the first sen. UKBA official we encountered, remember .....?  BOY was she educated...   I expect the penny dropped a long time ago, for most members .. 

Accept it.. I ( clearly ) knew the Directive better than the first sen.UKBA officer AND the rule on residency when looking after a family member ..  Happy to have educated you, Manny and andewfi ....

My wife’s biggest problems were being allowed to board a plane in Minsk bound for the UK, with a bought and paid for time limited official visa, stuck in her passport. Your EU directives may technically be on your side for now but don’t get upset when people don’t buy your crap easily.

Rosco, bearing in mind the Directive is currently LAW .. I most certainly DO get 'upset' as the 'CRAP' comes from those who should know the rules, better ... 

It is a shame that a member of the public has to read out the rules and embarrass the duty officer threatening to stamp a refusal in wifey's passport .... But then she  probably thought she'd "show me", too ...?...

Who's been  the real 'victim;, here, Rosco ... ?  FACTS ... ;)
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Markje on August 06, 2020, 06:27:19 AM
I am eligible for a russian family visit visa. However,  I always splurge my cash for a tourist visa (which is more expensive).

- Its easier for all of us
- It doesn't require me to take time off work, just send the passport and get it back with visa.
- No need to travel with the wife.

So in fact: for some extra cash I get options.

Plus, its not illegal to have a tourist visa when also elligble for a family visa. Just answer truthfully if you have family in Russia and you're ok.

Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Manny on August 06, 2020, 09:10:01 AM
So here was the question:

She can’t come on her own without a visa or a stamp in travelling with him. And he has indeed told us her stamp ran out.

Moby, pray tell, under which legal mechanism do you imagine she can enter the UK tomorrow alone?

The answer.

Family Permit'...

Then the admission that in reality she couldn't enter alone by plane.

I can’t think of an airline who would let your absent wife board a plane bound for the UK, based on an out of date smudged stamp in her passport.
Esp, in these times, I'd agree ... 

So we've established in practice, she can't fly in alone because with no visa she couldn't board a plane. So how would she get to the French land border from Russia? On a bloody hang glider?  :chuckle:

If Moby is with her, with a sheath of documents, at a land border, and is prepared for an argument, she may get in again. At least until July next year. On her own, with pigeon English, even if she could get to Calais, she isnt getting in alone and we all know that.

However, other interesting questions arise. Here was a point of further clarification I asked:

Under which specific grounds do you believe she currently qualifies for an EEA Family Permit?

Under the basis that:  1/ She was admitted on the basis of the Directive, before and 2/ She'll be admitted, again ..

Expecting a previous expired stamp to act as a precedent is a *very* shaky basis to use. As part of the overall blag, it may help when Moby is babbling ten to the dozen, but there's no legal basis in this.

Which passport would you be relying on to enable her entry?
Both ..

Again, this is very grey. You can't just hold up both passports and hope to get a result off one of them. As a UK citizen you're supposed enter the UK on your British passport, not a foreign one. You can make a ‘Surinder Singh’ application after living in another EEA country with a British family member, so you'd seek to use your UK passport here. If a Family Permit is to enable a non EU member to join an EEA (in your case Irish) family member, that person should be a ‘qualified person’ (working, looking for work, self-employed, studying or self-sufficient), Since you claim to be non resident and dont work here, you can only try and blag it on self sufficiency. But you dont claim to be resident so how can you apply for that unless you lie? Probably your shonky Limited companies you dont file accounts for come in here. It's all very Del Boy.

Can you blag it? You did so once, and you may do so again, but there's no guarantee. If they knew your full circumstances you'd likely not get in. You're being as slippery as an eel, again. You're quoting chapter and verse about family members of EU citizens and their rights of entry, blah blah blah.

Of course, what you fail to mention is that as a British Citizen using EU law to import your woman is a somewhat different matter. Also, her Family Permit (that you obtained by getting her locked up and on the back of dodgy Cyprus ‘residency’) has expired so she has to get a new one.

You seem to be suggesting that having got a Family Permit previously gives her a deemed right of entry. It doesn't. You may be abiding by the absolute letter of the law (I'm not convinced you can use two passports as you do if you disclosed the facts), but you are certainly not acting in the spirit of it. You are abusing the system. The system you use isnt designed for British Citizens to import women free and bypass the visa system. I'm glad the door to this scam is closing within a year.

But back to the original question of "Moby, pray tell, under which legal mechanism do you imagine she can enter the UK tomorrow alone?" - In reality, she can't. As I said.

In theory, if she presented at Calais and could convince a border guard, in English, she'd have a slim chance. But in reality that isnt happening. We've established that she can't board a plane (even if she were theoretically entitled, no airline is letting anyone fly without a visa as the get charged for that if entry is denied). The only way she'll maybe get in again is if Moby goes out to meet her and they travel a land border together. And he blags it again.

By the time you've faffed about doing all that, why not just get a Tourist Visa? Too easy for Moby.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Manny on August 06, 2020, 09:14:16 AM
It is a pity I must ram this home..AGAIN

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/entry-exit/non-eu-family/index_en.htm (https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/entry-exit/non-eu-family/index_en.htm)

Arriving at the border without an entry visa
It is always best for your non-EU family members to be well-informed in advance and to have all the necessary documents before starting their journey.

However, if they arrive at the border with their passport but without an entry visa, the border authorities should give them the opportunity to prove by other means that they are family members of a mobile EU citizen. They can do so by providing proof of their identity and family ties with an EU citizen (for example a marriage or birth certificate) and, proof that they are joining or accompanying the EU citizen (for example, proof that the EU citizen is already living in the country where entry is sought). If they manage to prove it, they should be issued with an entry visa on the spot.

Can you be "already be living in a country" you claim to be non-resident of? Only if you fib and dont disclose I suspect.  :whist11:
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: rosco on August 06, 2020, 11:45:31 AM
You may be abiding by the absolute letter of the law (I'm not convinced you can use two passports as you do if you disclosed the facts), but you are certainly not acting in the spirit of it. You are abusing the system. The system you use isnt designed for British Citizens to import women free and bypass the visa system.

Which is exactly why Moby has zero support in all of this. It's why some of us see this self inflicted separation as karma because nobody wants to watch others abuse a system that we support with our hard earned. We play by the rules so why should Moby get a free pass? Moby shows no humility at any point in all of this and he cant understand why normal people find his smug attitude and self appointed superiority unpleasant.

I understand that he doesn't give a hoot what we think on here but the situation is exactly as Manny put it. It's not in the spirit and he's abusing the system in place for his own benefit. It's no different in my book to scamming benefits or free housing from the government/British tax payers and no respectable citizen would do as Moby does.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Manny on August 06, 2020, 12:10:49 PM
Let them talk and they'll tell you in the end.

This stuff is all very well but in reality, I can’t think of an airline who would let your absent wife board a plane bound for the UK, based on an out of date smudged stamp in her passport.

Esp, in these times, I'd agree ...  The 'trick' ( sans visa ) was to ensure she presented herself at  a UK border ...  You know the result ... ENTRY ...   You've read the current rules ...   

The term to focus on is: "The 'trick' ( sans visa )" - here he acknowledges what he does is a trick, which the dictionary tells us is "a cunning act or scheme intended to deceive or outwit someone" and "cunningly deceive or outwit" and "intended or used to deceive or mystify, or to create an illusion".

He's been hoisted with his own petard again.  :coffeeread:
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: andrewfi on August 06, 2020, 01:25:12 PM
Karma?
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Manny on August 06, 2020, 01:44:08 PM
Karma?

Indeed. I've not changed my opinion from upthread.

Karma.

Imagine if you had chosen to pay for a proper UK visa for your wife like the rest of us did. Flights from Russia to the UK have resumed, she'd be here by now.

But you wanted to do it the "free way" like Mr EU smart arse with two passports and winging it with her in jail at Calais or Dover. Now you're scrambling about trying to find a third country to meet in, while hastily arranging "free" visas where you can each dodge a bunch of rules.

You'll know the Russian saying: "Greedy pays twice".  :coffeeread:

Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Contrarian on August 06, 2020, 09:14:28 PM


Do it the right way from the start, instead of trying to be a cheap con artist.

Instead of reading the bollox of others ( who don't have a clue about immigration law appertaining to a wife who doesn't currently reside in the UK )  why don't you tell us what the 'right way' is ? ..

You could even post a TR of one of your trips to the FSU and success with a lady from same..

A UK visitor Visa costs c.100 quid... SC doesn't even NEED a visa - as I've demonstrated -  a spousal visa is substantially more to achieve a lessor status and SHE DOES NOT intend to live here ... 

'Con artists'


The irony of you suggesting such a term.. given you've sent messages to folks suggesting I've 'hacked' this forum .. Only a total prick would have believed that let alone suggested it to others ..



Best you stick to discussing the funbags of lasses in  pics to the right - that's the nearest you're getting to 'reality' ... :coffeeread:

Moldy turd brain,

You're a disgusting excuse for a human being and when your current Missuss gets wise to the real you, if she ain't already decided to divorce you, she will and that will be 3 divorces.

Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: AvHdB on August 06, 2020, 09:57:51 PM
While the contortions of ms are amusing, at best. It is a painful saga to read. All I can think of is NMP!

As noted in Russia and Ukraine there is an expression 'the greedy pay twice'.

This thread though is not about ms swerving, jerking or wiggling but how posters such as JAD are moving forward during the Corona period.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Contrarian on August 06, 2020, 10:26:17 PM
While the contortions of ms are amusing, at best. It is a painful saga to read. All I can think of is NMP!

As noted in Russia and Ukraine there is an expression 'the greedy pay twice'.

This thread though is not about ms swerving, jerking or wiggling but how posters such as JAD are moving forward during the Corona period.


Please inform what is NMP?
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 06, 2020, 10:56:18 PM
I am eligible for a russian family visit visa. However,  I always splurge my cash for a tourist visa (which is more expensive).

- Its easier for all of us
- It doesn't require me to take time off work, just send the passport and get it back with visa.
- No need to travel with the wife.

So in fact: for some extra cash I get options.

Plus, its not illegal to have a tourist visa when also elligble for a family visa. Just answer truthfully if you have family in Russia and you're ok.

Markje,

If you apply as a UK citizen one must take time off work to have one's fingers scanned - no matter what the visa

I have never used the family visa - this cheapskate pays for the biz visa - which gives multiple entry and flexibility / spontaneity
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 07, 2020, 12:22:23 AM



She can’t come on her own without a visa or a stamp in travelling with him. And he has indeed told us her stamp ran out.

Moby, pray tell, under which legal mechanism do you imagine she can enter the UK tomorrow alone?[/size]

The answer. [/quote]

Family Permit'...

Then the admission that in reality she couldn't enter alone by plane.

 :ROFL:  I have never denied  -so the use of the word admission is your FAILED attempt to suggest I hide anything ..

Manny, WHY do you walk onto punches and PROVE you don't GET the UK's FP visa ?

I have posted and bolded the part where one's direct family member CAN join the EU citizen

AGAIN ...Violetta used the FP Visa to leave for Russia and I met her at Heathrow on her return -UNACCOMPANIED

SC had her first Schengen that was issued FREE ( as a family member of a EU citizen ) and I DID NOT accompany her to Cologne .. meeting her in arrivals .. :ROFL:




So we've established in practice, she can't fly in alone because with no visa she couldn't board a plane. So how would she get to the French land border from Russia? On a bloody hang glider?  :chuckle:

1/ You only 'established' you cannot understand FACT ...  Firstly, you've TRIED to tell us that such Visas ( based on the EU directive) are 'questionable'.. when they give one's partner FAR more rights than visitor one's

2/ I have proven ( Dunkerque Dec '19 ) that IF - one's partner doesn't happen to have a visa - they CAN be admitted on presenting info proving the relation to the EU citizen ..that I happened to be there was only 'relevant' as the officers on duty did not follow procedure and SC should have be given every opportunity to prove that relationship - initially, the threat to issue a refusal stamp in her passport would have brought about a legal case which we'd have won ..


 

If Moby is with her, with a sheath of documents, at a land border, and is prepared for an argument, she may get in again. At least until July next year. On her own, with pigeon English, even if she could get to Calais, she isnt getting in alone and we all know that.

1/ Once again WRONG.. Transition ends on 31/12/20 THe EU Directive will not be law in the UK ..    Her right to be admitted to JOIN her EU family member - ( without a visa ) alone or not - continues ...until then .. What we HAVE seen is that my presence was necessary to sde those rights were respected  :coffeeread:

2/ SC has the right  - if we chose to reside in the UK -  to apply for residency until June 2021



Expecting a previous expired stamp to act as a precedent is a *very* shaky basis to use.

Agreed... 'Sans visa', one would need the sheaf of Docs, again ..


Which passport would you be relying on to enable her entry?
Both ..
[/quote]

Again, this is very grey. You can't just hold up both passports and hope to get a result off one of them. As a UK citizen you're supposed enter the UK on your British passport, not a foreign one. You can make a ‘Surinder Singh’ application after living in another EEA country with a British family member, so you'd seek to use your UK passport here. If a Family Permit is to enable a non EU member to join an EEA (in your case Irish) family member, that person should be a ‘qualified person’ (working, looking for work, self-employed, studying or self-sufficient), Since you claim to be non resident and dont work here, you can only try and blag it on self sufficiency. But you dont claim to be resident so how can you apply for that unless you lie? Probably your shonky Limited companies you dont file accounts for come in here. It's all very Del Boy.

 :ROFL:

1/ Nothing 'grey' .... AGAIN.. It's current LAW and I know it better than you and the UKBA ... as proven by previous examples of admissions



2/ I may use ANY EU passport I choose to enter the UK ( currently )  and post the end of transition, are you suggesting it will be illegal to use my IRL one ?  :ROFL:  It is a matter of record that I possess two passports with the UKBA

3/ I DO live in a third party EU nation ...hence the S.Singh route successfully used .. the UKBA were VERY clear that SC wod not have been admitted - if I had not proved that ...  That is now ILLEGAL 'requirement' since Feb 20 - following a Court case.

4/ I provided BOTH passports to the UKBA and if applying for a UK FP permit visa I answer that I am also a UK passport holder and am applying under SS .. 

5/ 'Blag' ?  I showed my bank statements and offered and showed me logging in to the online versions - proving self-sufficiency is THE hardest way - according to the UKBA official ...  This 'blagging' is a figment of your imagination, given MY situation was the basis of SC's entry without a visa ...

So what comes below is more about years of your allowing BS and lies to be posted  :ROFL:

Can you blag it? You did so once, and you may do so again, but there's no guarantee. If they knew your full circumstances you'd likely not get in. You're being as slippery as an eel, again. You're quoting chapter and verse about family members of EU citizens and their rights of entry, blah blah blah.

Unlike you.. thy DO know my circumstances....   

Now follows more of the same, Manny making stuff up ... rather than simply admitting .." Moby can't blag his circumstances under questioning by folks who can check his UK affairs ) ..

Of course, what you fail to mention is that as a British Citizen using EU law to import your woman is a somewhat different matter. Also, her Family Permit (that you obtained by getting her locked up and on the back of dodgy Cyprus ‘residency’) has expired so she has to get a new one.

??

Over the years I have mentioned the UNIQUE circumstances ( fifty plus times )  that a Brit CAN 'import' his wife in such a way ...  It's how Violetta is here and her son finished his education here ..

The only difference is SC has had a FP Visa issued and has not applied for residency in the UK 

You seem to be suggesting that having got a Family Permit previously gives her a deemed right of entry.

ANY visa doesn't not guarantee entry, if one's circumstances have changes or one lied to obtain same.. ..  but as neither of those circumstances apply, SC is certain to be admitted - when in possession of a new UK FP Visa 

You may be abiding by the absolute letter of the law (I'm not convinced you can use two passports as you do if you disclosed the facts), but you are certainly not acting in the spirit of it. You are abusing the system. The system you use isnt designed for British Citizens to import women free and bypass the visa system. I'm glad the door to this scam is closing within a year.

Despite my providing the link, you ARE STILL proving you haven't READ it and don't understand S.Singh ...  The system has a SPECIFIC Court ruling  - Surinder Singh - that currently , allows UK citizens to use the Directive ...  Following a Supreme Court ruling, UK citizens born in N.Ireland MUST be treated the same as an EU citizen ... So, for now, it's even EASIER  :coffeeread:  The whole point of SS is that merely having two passports ( UK and IRL) doesn't infer the right for UK citizens to circumvent UK immigration rules .... one has to have exercised EU treaty rights and live(d) in a third EU state .. 
-

But back to the original question of "Moby, pray tell, under which legal mechanism do you imagine she can enter the UK tomorrow alone?" - In reality, she can't. As I said.

 :ROFL:

Still WRONG and putting your fingers in your ears and refusing to read, eh ? ... 

1/ SC has been admitted to the UK on the very basis you suggest she couldn't be

2/ V came in (without me accompanying me )  from Russia on a FP visa ..   to (re) JOIN me ..


In theory, if she presented at Calais and could convince a border guard, in English, she'd have a slim chance. But in reality that isnt happening. We've established that she can't board a plane (even if she were theoretically entitled, no airline is letting anyone fly without a visa as the get charged for that if entry is denied). The only way she'll maybe get in again is if Moby goes out to meet her and they travel a land border together. And he blags it again.

You're repeating a LIE will not make it any less untrue ..

It's not theory ... it is her right .. my being present just ensured same ... I've already demonstrated ( step -son and ex RU wife  ) that they doc not need to be accompanied

By the time you've faffed about doing all that, why not just get a Tourist Visa? Too easy for Moby.

It is EASY to get a UK FP Visa .. it has to be treated as a priority application, free of charge and gives one's wife FAR more rights than a normal UK visitor visa


Conclusions :

1/ Manny would rather lie than read

2/ Manny will not see that Moby has proven on numerous occasions that non EU family members need not be accompanied ..no 'theory'

3/ I certainly don't recommend travelling without a Visa - given the hassle - Dunkerque was a one off - given we'd have had to wait until week 2 or 3 of Jan 20 - due to the Italians taking too long to process her Schengen and SC having to cancel her UK VAC appointment as the Italians still had her passport ..

4/  NOTHING , 'grey' / 'questionable' / 'dodgy' about a currently LEGAL EU route to admission by a VISA requiring national to be admitted to the UK .. Manny just doesn't LIKE the fact that Moby ( by accident of birth and circumstances ) can use a route that 'Brexit' will close .... The more adjectives he uses it proves his hating the route is the issue;)


Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 07, 2020, 12:36:15 AM
PS: SC has been v.productive in this time of separation and she bought a new sewing machine - capable of joining thicker material and with many more stitching options

'Love', for her, is designing and making new creations ..

(https://i.imgur.com/OhyMPhY.jpg)

Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 07, 2020, 12:52:28 AM


Can you be "already be living in a country" you claim to be non-resident of? Only if you fib and dont disclose I suspect.  :whist11:

YES, under the caring for an unwell relative..

Shame one needs to repeat, for the penny to drop
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 07, 2020, 01:01:58 AM


Which is exactly why Moby has zero support in all of this.

'Support' .. from who ? YOU  :ROFL: 

Are we breaking any law ? NO

Are we lying about our circumstances?  NO


It's why some of us see this self inflicted separation as karma because nobody wants to watch others abuse a system that we support with our hard earned. We play by the rules so why should Moby get a free pass? Moby shows no humility at any point in all of this and he cant understand why normal people find his smug attitude and self appointed superiority unpleasant.

Rosco, having a UK visitor visa would not have permitted entry to the UK - given RUSSIA decreed only RESIDENCY would permit flying to the UK before Aug 1st ..

I understand that he doesn't give a hoot what we think on here

wow, you and I agree and something ! ..

but the situation is exactly as Manny put it. It's not in the spirit and he's abusing the system in place for his own benefit. It's no different in my book to scamming benefits or free housing from the government/British tax payers and no respectable citizen would do as Moby does.

 :ROFL:

There's that 'spirit' bollox, again ..

Only the Public Health and Hygiene part of the exclusions re the freedom of movement Directive states are allowed to implement has excluded SC from joining me ..

Conclusion: Rosco also hates the EU Directive on 'freedom of movment for EU citizen and their non EU family members, that he doesn't understand.


I feel for your Missus' in that her friends family couldn't visit her / current visa or not  - so who's being the 'knob', here ?

Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Markje on August 07, 2020, 01:10:45 AM
- It doesn't require me to take time off work, just send the passport and get it back with visa.

Markje,

If you apply as a UK citizen one must take time off work to have one's fingers scanned - no matter what the visa

It would seem that Dutch<->Russian relationship is a lot better than the GB<->Russian relationship.
Perhaps it was that skripal business, or any of the other insults the UK accused Russia of without proof.

I still find it funny I do have to send passport-photo's with my application, but then when the visa is glued in, the photo isn't there and in its place is a message: Not applicable.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 07, 2020, 03:13:52 AM

It would seem that Dutch<->Russian relationship is a lot better than the GB( moby edit- do you call the NL 'Holland' ?) <->Russian relationship.
Perhaps it was that skripal business, or any of the other insults the UK accused Russia of without proof.

I still find it funny I do have to send passport-photo's with my application, but then when the visa is glued in, the photo isn't there and in its place is a message: Not applicable.

It's a five-eyes reciprocity  'thang'? ;)

You may recall Manny discussed this with his then Ambassador mate ..a few years back...  in Cyprus one just sends it off with the IRL passport
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 07, 2020, 07:42:20 AM
posters such as JAD are moving forward during the Corona period.


..and failing to mention how a Russian 'clandestinely' crossed frontiers....))

The only swerving on THIS thread are those still refusing to note I am not prepared to do anything illegal or clandestine to meet my wife...but suggesting 'grey/ 'dodgy' or 'Karma))

Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Manny on August 07, 2020, 09:39:11 AM
A simpler question for you Moby:

You claim she can arrive unaccompanied, if she can prove her ties, etc. Russia has now opened flights with the UK, why isnt she here?
Title: The moby versus womannly thread
Post by: Contrarian on August 07, 2020, 11:12:13 AM
A simpler question for you Moby:

You claim she can arrive unaccompanied, if she can prove her ties, etc. Russia has now opened flights with the UK, why isnt she here?

Hey Womannly aka not so Manny, grow a pair and ban moby. Overdue.

Or are you yellow or a coward?

Only in the UK would men behave like a bunch of sissy girls.

One of you guys force a meeting punch it out and the loser is banned.

I will root for Womannly aka not really Manny.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 07, 2020, 11:51:11 AM
A simpler question for you Moby:

You claim she can arrive unaccompanied, if she can prove her ties, etc. Russia has now opened flights with the UK, why isnt she here?

You may remember challenge accepted?

You are going to be hiding my posts rather than say...Moby busted me...again)
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Manny on August 07, 2020, 02:04:47 PM
A simpler question for you Moby:

You claim she can arrive unaccompanied, if she can prove her ties, etc. Russia has now opened flights with the UK, why isnt she here?

You may remember challenge accepted?

You are going to be hiding my posts rather than say...Moby busted me...again)

When's her flight then?
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: AvHdB on August 07, 2020, 07:10:31 PM
My excuses; NMP = Not My Problem.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: AvHdB on August 07, 2020, 07:29:35 PM
posters such as JAD are moving forward during the Corona period.


..and failing to mention how a Russian 'clandestinely' crossed frontiers....))


ms I have seen road kill that is smarter than you.

How they are together does not deflect from what you posted regarding your wife and how she traveled to the UK. So you understand JAD did not indicate that he or who he is with did anything illegal. Just that in a clandestine manner she came to Odesa (Odessa). Do try to learn the meaning of English words.

Perhaps buy a Dicitionary?
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 07, 2020, 11:29:49 PM


ms I have seen road kill that is smarter than you.

Given the number of times I've corrected your historical howlers - that's 'gratitude' for you  :coffeeread:

How they are together does not deflect from what you posted regarding your wife and how she traveled to the UK. So you understand JAD did not indicate that he or who he is with did anything illegal. Just that in a clandestine manner she came to Odesa (Odessa). Do try to learn the meaning of English words.

Clandestine: adjective
kept secret or done secretively, especially because illicit.


 illicit: adjective
forbidden by law, rules, or custom.



Perhaps buy a Dicitionary?[/size][/font]

Again, my wife did not and will not be arriving to the UK clandestinely...   

Glad to have educated you, again
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: d672 on August 08, 2020, 12:07:16 PM
Pray tell us why Russia would let a resident of Cyprus fly to the UK?

Don’t be absurd. Your wife is a Russian citizen, there would be no restriction on her flying to the UK since they resumed flights if she had a visa.

 Lol, so pathetic. He gets caught with his pants down with that outright lie and that was the best he could come up with to try to deflect.


But. She. Hasn’t.

 She didn't want to. The more I think about it the more it makes sense.  :coffeeread:

It’s my understanding that the loophole he used to get her in once is conditional on them travelling together. The stamp he then claimed was a visa was nothing of the sort - it allowed entry with certain conditions. So during its validity, unless he travelled to her and brought her back, she couldn’t enter on it. Or with another.

As he is with his mother, he can’t travel out to bring her.

He cant or won’t pay for a conventional visa, or more likely can’t muster up the correct supporting documents and income, as he is “resident” elsewhere.

He’s scored an own goal. His “non resident” japes prevent him doing things a normal resident can. Like importing your wife. You can’t import women to places you claim not to live. Well, not easily and for free anyway.

Ahhh, ok. Thanks for clearing that up. Not surprisingly that's a totally different situation than what Moby has been trying to tell us here.
 It definitely sounds like he is a victim of his own circumstances. Now its all coming back to bite him in the ass.

:ROFL:

'Clearing up'?

You believe Manny's 'understanding' accurately portrays current UK immigration rules and our current situation/ wifey's feelings ?

 I was busy all week and after seeing how you spent all that time ( and almost 2 pages) I was away avoiding answering if you wife can fly by herself to come see you then yes. It sounds like Manny got it spot on!  :coffeeread:

Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: AvHdB on August 08, 2020, 06:56:54 PM

ms I have seen road kill that is smarter than you.

Given the number of times I've corrected your historical howlers - that's 'gratitude' for you  :coffeeread:

How they are together does not deflect from what you posted regarding your wife and how she traveled to the UK. So you understand JAD did not indicate that he or who he is with did anything illegal. Just that in a clandestine manner she came to Odesa (Odessa). Do try to learn the meaning of English words.

Clandestine: adjective
kept secret or done secretively, especially because illicit.


 illicit: adjective
forbidden by law, rules, or custom.



Perhaps buy a Dicitionary?[/size][/font]

Again, my wife did not and will not be arriving to the UK clandestinely...   

Glad to have educated you, again

ms please understand I have a low tolerance for stupid people, further my patience is very limited with those who are arrogant. In my opinion you are an arrogant dolt.

Please quote where you 'corrected' a historical howlers of mine.

You do understand that the definition for clandestine can mean that JaD wants to keep secret the means that his acquaintance travelled to Ukraine? It is NOT an admission of anything illicit.

Please try to stop swerving regarding your wife's travel plans, is she flying to the UK on her own. To help you because there are ONLY two possible answers. Yes or No.

I will note that unless you are spot on I will not further engage you here in what seems to be an attempt on your part to derail this thread.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 09, 2020, 12:06:07 AM
AvHdB

You just crack me up..

Quite of th week material.

I keep referring to Love ....I am on thread.

My Wife, Sis' and ex-wife organised alike break for me from caring for ma.

I am in the middle of the Brecon Beacons and last night drank Corona in a mug in the bedroom of ex-wifey while chatting to wifey. Ma is in the care of Sis' for two nights.

I drove here with NO idea where I was going.

We have two rooms booked and after my beer I slept for 9 hours....
Luxury..an unbroken nights sleep))
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Manny on August 09, 2020, 12:10:17 AM
I will note that unless you are spot on I will not further engage you here in what seems to be an attempt on your part to derail this thread.

He is missing his Blah Blah thread and trying to recreate it here. He needs like oxygen a topic about him, to troll on, where he can “correct” non-existent howlers and fibs.
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: Manny on August 09, 2020, 12:13:59 AM
I am in the middle of the Brecon Beacons and last night drank Corona in a mug in the bedroom of ex-wifey while chatting to wifey.

Looks like in the absence of current wifey, we’re hearing more about ex wifey.

Are you now holidaying with the ex?
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 09, 2020, 02:38:47 PM
Wifey and ex-Wifey coordinated with my siblings.

SC and V get on just fine. SC send V a msg as we left the Gower to thank her for getting me out.... :coffeeread:



Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 09, 2020, 02:44:59 PM
sent, even...


We encountered a Russian Toy Terrier ( both SC and V) have had them and some Russian speakers in the Brecon Beacons on Saturday..

For those who have never enjoyed Pobbles Bay or Three Cliffs Bay in the Gower..

If it is above 22C and Sunny...you can find a sheltered spot and it is heaven...

One needs to walk a mile and a half each way...

SC needed to be sold on some more UK scenic wonders and the English think crossing the Severn Bridges is more 'inconvenient than going to Bournemouth, Devon or Cornwall...

Long may they live in ignorance...)

Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 09, 2020, 06:20:59 PM

I will note that unless you are spot on I will not further engage you here in what seems to be an attempt on your part to derail this thread.

He is missing his Blah Blah thread and trying to recreate it here. He needs like oxygen a topic about him, to troll on, where he can “correct” non-existent howlers and fibs.

Just the merest point..

1/ the 'lies' are those who fall over themselves to prove they still know f'all about the Directive on the freedom of movement of EU citizens and their non EU dependant family members.

I see mass dishonestly from those posting utter twaddle about needing to be accompanied or needing a visa at all..

2/ For some years, ex-wifey and I sorted out our brusing end and only dishonest people would suggest my wife doesn't to come to join me or I would ever play 'away games' with SC..

Certain members find such closeness bizarre and I even get that..

That it busts the twaddle that has been posted on here would involve normal 'protagonists' silent.....

Conclusion:


Moby hasn't 'made/ 'created ANY blah, blah, blah..

Thank you, 'fans' for your entertainment ! ..

I awake some twat suggesting this weekend was 'made up' or not as portrayed, too))





Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: d672 on August 10, 2020, 01:14:01 PM
PS: SC has been v.productive in this time of separation and she bought a new sewing machine - capable of joining thicker material and with many more stitching options

'Love', for her, is designing and making new creations ..

(https://i.imgur.com/OhyMPhY.jpg)

 Just out if curiosity, who took this picture? Her ex maybe?   :chuckle:
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 11, 2020, 12:20:03 AM


 Just out if curiosity, who took this picture? Her ex maybe?   :chuckle:

May be *I* did ..I hope I'm not an ex ...  :coffeeread:


Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: d672 on August 11, 2020, 03:08:02 PM
Ahh, so it's an old picture, not one of her recent creations then.

I hope I'm not an ex ... 

 That's yet to be seen...  you might be soon if SC doesn't get those visas.  :laugh:

Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 11, 2020, 08:32:22 PM
Ahh, so it's an old picture, not one of her recent creations then.


The photo was taken on August 5th @15:20 UK ( BST) screenshot_20200805-152014_Skype.jpg  :coffeeread:


This one was from 3 screengrabs before ...


(https://i.imgur.com/jMQuoOW.jpg)

If this is an example of your 'Sherlock Holmes'-like 'detective skills' and 'ANALysis' of HCQ's efficacy re COVID-19, I'd hit the pause button, you're on a roll of ..well ..  :chuckle:



I hope I'm not an ex ... 

That's yet to be seen...  you might be soon if SC doesn't get those visas.  :laugh:

Given the French Govt. Ombudsman's intervention, in the case of the Schengen one, it's safe to say you're going to be wearing lots of egg on your fizzog ..  :chuckle: 
Title: Re: Love in the time of covid....
Post by: msmoby on August 11, 2020, 08:55:30 PM

 where he can “correct” non-existent howlers and fibs.

Ah, like, "I've not met Clarkson, twice and he didn't break down on in a DeTomaso Pantera in Pas du nord, France and wasn't rescued by us ( Flintstones) , and he didn't call me an IT geek and didn't blush bright red with embarrassment when wife #2 went to the bathroom and I reminded him that wife #1 had run off with a guy wearing white socks, to the amusement of Michael Foot, Anne Robinson ( weakest link) and John Penrose ( now ex-hubby of Anne R, former Daily Mirror editor and mate of Peter Cook  ) ?

AvHdB's  'protests' remind me of one of Peter Cooks funniest sketches ..