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General Discussion => General Chat => Topic started by: Manny on July 23, 2019, 10:53:42 AM
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I called it!
There is [was] a plan, from quite high up in the party and supported by many large donors. The idea was May lost the vote triggered by the 48 letters to the 1922 committee, quick leadership contest installing Boris, Boris puts Mogg in the cabinet, Brexit "no deal", Boris wins next election and then steps aside for Mogg to be PM. Farage rejoins the party.
Last bit may yet differ but the first bit was pretty much right. :party0031:
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Re: Boris Johnson is Prime Minister
Not for long ..
Good bye another Commons seat next Thursday and a few more Conservatives will leave the party ..
Manny 'called it' ..
and put another nail into a once great party ..
The scary thing is we have a choice of Corbyn or Boris ..Farage ? ( not a chance)
Jo Swinson... now there IS new hope for Britain ... and she will rob Boris of another seat on Thursday Aug 1st ..leaving a working majority of ONE ..
It might be gone, sooner .. if the rumours of those Tory MPs walking are true ..
Boris will be PM of a govt liable - at any time - to be defeated in a vote of No confidence
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I called it!
There is [was] a plan, from quite high up in the party and supported by many large donors. The idea was May lost the vote triggered by the 48 letters to the 1922 committee, quick leadership contest installing Boris, Boris puts Mogg in the cabinet, Brexit "no deal", Boris wins next election and then steps aside for Mogg to be PM. Farage rejoins the party.
Last bit may yet differ but the first bit was pretty much right. :party0031:
Congratulations!
Now buy that man a damn comb! :laugh:
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Now the Left waffle and the BBC propaganda machine will be going in to over drive..
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Did I see that stupid whore abbot say she will be leaving the country soon?
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Jo Swinson... now there IS new hope for Britain ...
A Liberal Democrat? Don't be absurd. :ROFL:
Wasn't you claiming to be a Tory like um... yesterday? You really are a floating voter aren't you? (assuming they'll send a polling card to c/o Dave's sofa) :whist11:
You fuzzy-thinking, lefty, anti-democratic types are prone to wriggle like a worm in bleach when stuff you dont like - like democracy - happens, eh?
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A Liberal Democrat? Don't be absurd. :ROFL:
Wasn't you claiming to be a Tory like um... yesterday? You really are a floating voter aren't you? (assuming they'll send a polling card to c/o Dave's sofa) :whist11:
You fuzzy-thinking, lefty, anti-democratic types are prone to wriggle like a worm in bleach when stuff you dont like - like democracy - happens, eh?
I'm indeed sad to watch my beloved Convervative and Unionsit Party be taken ovr by UKIP-like mentality .. hence .. like many who will follow - I'm off .. Boris can lead those Tories who want to be lemming-like and try to take us off the cliff edge..
Democracy is at play and Boris will get his first taste of it next week ..in Brecon ..when he oversees ANOTHER drop in his majority in the HoC .. if it hasn't already gone with Tory MPs abandonning a sinking ship ..
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Now the Left waffle and the BBC propaganda machine will be going in to over drive..
(https://scontent.fhel3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67210526_2195279030570989_5941776182419652608_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_oc=AQlPawoSr54AeSGqfZ5oXMSwH1WJSzPsoglBp1QD_hK_1ABNBiFaPnDxzj2qc5hNE4Y&_nc_ht=scontent.fhel3-1.fna&oh=3d8eeafba7db82f453c975b67522fd96&oe=5DE74C79)
Did I see that stupid whore abbot say she will be leaving the country soon?
:laugh:
Owen Jones is another absolute gob shite. He's got that wee annoying face to go along with his warped views and lefty delusions. Boris being PM means two things for me;
1) Finally a PM who is willing to take a no deal should the EU not play ball. Someone who actually believes in the country and doesn't bow down to socialism/globalism.
2) It really pisses off the libtards who can't do anthing about Brexit or the PM now! They suffered with the tories and now they have Boris. A white, male, conservative you believes in sovereignty and democracy. The libs will be wailing in their sleep and I'm sure I already saw a group of unwashed idiots protesting in London!
What a day..... :ROFL:
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My guess is that we will suddenly find that the EU finds a way to enable a suitable deal to be quickly concluded because they REALLY do not want a NO DEAL.
I also think that Boris is absolutely willing to do a no-deal exit because he and enough of his colleagues think that is better than what is on the table and that there is no consensus for what is on the table. At the same time, I think that he and his colleagues are wide open for a sensible deal on which to exit.
A no-deal likelihood puts Britain into the driver's seat which is where we were not before. I still do not think that was May's fault. She had an impossible position, but I said months ago that a change of leader with a commitment to leaving the EU with no deal was the way forward. It puts the British saboteurs on notice that their games will no longer work and forces the EU to finally and belatedly negotiate sensibly.
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My guess is that we will suddenly find that the EU finds a way to enable a suitable deal to be quickly concluded because they REALLY do not want a NO DEAL.
Exactly! The louder Boris shouts "No Deal" the faster they will do one. The plebs dont get that. :'(
The prospect of Mercedes, Audi, VW, French cheese, French wine, Spanish fruit, etc., building up at ports attracting import duty is unthinkable for them. We are the world's 5th biggest economy and we should have acted like it. They should have sent Alan Sugar, James Dyson, Mogg, Farage and Digby Jones as a group over there in the national interest two years ago to do this. It'd have been done in a fortnight. Politicians and civil servants clowning around achieved nothing as they aren't business people. It can't be rocket science to make a simple agreement based on mutual interests. Just common sense. The fundamentals are so straightforward that me and Rosco would do it in a week or two I bet......Chuck in Andrewfi for the details nobody else thought of, and it's ten days.
They've all made it so much harder than it needed to be. Crack on with a basic common sense deal and tweak it as we go along later on. Simples. Flirt the Romanian vagrants and beggars out, export any EU national on benefits back to their homeland, stop NHS tourism overnight unless the national embassy underwrites the bill for their citizens, free trade deal without free movement, 2nd tier EU nationals subject to visa - eg: French, Dutch, Danish, Belgian and Germans OK, but Poles, Slovaks, Latvians and Bulgarians (etc.) need a visa. No free money. No free child benefit for Poles. No freeloading or sponging. It's all dead simple stuff we have been asking for for a decade or more.........
Boris isn't Trump. We'll not get half of that. But any of it is something.
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My guess is that we will suddenly find that the EU finds a way to enable a suitable deal to be quickly concluded because they REALLY do not want a NO DEAL.
Exactly! The louder Boris shouts "No Deal" the faster they will do one. The plebs dont get that. :'(
The prospect of Mercedes, Audi, VW, French cheese, French wine, Spanish fruit, etc., building up at ports attracting import duty is unthinkable for them. We are the world's 5th biggest economy and we should have acted like it. They should have sent Alan Sugar, James Dyson, Mogg, Farage and Digby Jones as a group over there in the national interest two years ago to do this. It'd have been done in a fortnight. Politicians and civil servants clowning around achieved nothing as they aren't business people. It can't be rocket science to make a simple agreement based on mutual interests. Just common sense. The fundamentals are so straightforward that me and Rosco would do it in a week or two I bet......Chuck in Andrewfi for the details nobody else thought of, and it's ten days.
They've all made it so much harder than it needed to be. Crack on with a basic common sense deal and tweak it as we go along later on. Simples. Flirt the Romanian vagrants and beggars out, export any EU national on benefits back to their homeland, stop NHS tourism overnight unless the national embassy underwrites the bill for their citizens, free trade deal without free movement, 2nd tier EU nationals subject to visa - eg: French, Dutch, Danish, Belgian and Germans OK, but Poles, Slovaks, Latvians and Bulgarians (etc.) need a visa. No free money. No free child benefit for Poles. No freeloading or sponging. It's all dead simple stuff we have been asking for for a decade or more.........
Boris isn't Trump. We'll not get half of that. But any of it is something.
At least Trump spends some time putting on hairspray and combing his hair. :laugh:
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My guess is that we will suddenly find that the EU finds a way to enable a suitable deal to be quickly concluded because they REALLY do not want a NO DEAL.
Exactly! The louder Boris shouts "No Deal" the faster they will do one. The plebs dont get that. :'(
This 'pleb' will be rubbing your collective noses in it, prettty soon ...
The ONLY reason the EU might 'want' us gone - is because of the uncertainty.. IF we crash out - there'll be plenty of resons why other nations who might consider following, will change their minds...
Boris is already in a weaker posirtion than May and will get weaker ... tthe EU know this ..
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My guess is that we will suddenly find that the EU finds a way to enable a suitable deal to be quickly concluded because they REALLY do not want a NO DEAL.
Exactly! The louder Boris shouts "No Deal" the faster they will do one. The plebs dont get that. :'(
The prospect of Mercedes, Audi, VW, French cheese, French wine, Spanish fruit, etc., building up at ports attracting import duty is unthinkable for them. We are the world's 5th biggest economy and we should have acted like it. They should have sent Alan Sugar, James Dyson, Mogg, Farage and Digby Jones as a group over there in the national interest two years ago to do this. It'd have been done in a fortnight. Politicians and civil servants clowning around achieved nothing as they aren't business people. It can't be rocket science to make a simple agreement based on mutual interests. Just common sense. The fundamentals are so straightforward that me and Rosco would do it in a week or two I bet......Chuck in Andrewfi for the details nobody else thought of, and it's ten days.
They've all made it so much harder than it needed to be. Crack on with a basic common sense deal and tweak it as we go along later on. Simples. Flirt the Romanian vagrants and beggars out, export any EU national on benefits back to their homeland, stop NHS tourism overnight unless the national embassy underwrites the bill for their citizens, free trade deal without free movement, 2nd tier EU nationals subject to visa - eg: French, Dutch, Danish, Belgian and Germans OK, but Poles, Slovaks, Latvians and Bulgarians (etc.) need a visa. No free money. No free child benefit for Poles. No freeloading or sponging. It's all dead simple stuff we have been asking for for a decade or more.........
Boris isn't Trump. We'll not get half of that. But any of it is something.
At least Trump spends some time putting on hairspray and combing his hair. :laugh:
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My guess is that we will suddenly find that the EU finds a way to enable a suitable deal to be quickly concluded because they REALLY do not want a NO DEAL.
Exactly! The louder Boris shouts "No Deal" the faster they will do one. The plebs dont get that. :'(
This 'pleb' will be rubbing your collective noses in it, prettty soon ...
The ONLY reason the EU might 'want' us gone - is because of the uncertainty.. IF we crash out - there'll be plenty of resons why other nations who might consider following, will change their minds...
Boris is already in a weaker posirtion than May and will get weaker ... tthe EU know this ..
What are you mumbling on about man??
Centrist governments are on the rise in Europe as people wake up and smell the coffee. Socialism, globalism, eradicating sovereignty, culture, democracy and forced mass immigration have made people really think about it. The Merkels, Macrons and Trudeau's of the world are yesterdays people. The only thing stopping the whole thing from collapsing quicker, is the assistance of the left wing media and their conscious decision to not tell the truth.
Do you really think that the EU feel they have Boris over a barrel compared to May, if so you're nuts?! They know they need to renegotiate or there will be no deal......
You talk about us crashing out influencing other countries.....and you're right. Spoken like a true socialist europhile, you only see doom and gloom outside of an undemocratic union. When the UK leaves with all her money, you and the other remoaners will realise that life goes on, the sky didn't fall and when the dust settles, investment, commitment and business will be knocking on the door.
If you think one of the biggest economies and consumer nations on the planet will simply be cut off......then you're believing your own doomsday bullshit.
That said, its obvious that the majority of the countries who make up the EU wont leave, because they're on the take and getting nice big handouts.....from our tax money. Why would they leave unless the cash cow goes bang?
The UK and its decision to leave wont have any bearing on Romania, Malta, Bulgaria etc. And I hope you understand why......??
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Socialism, globalism, eradicating sovereignty, culture, democracy and forced mass immigration have made people really think about it. The Merkels, Macrons and Trudeau's of the world are yesterdays people.
You are wrong about Trudeau. Canada is very much centrist politically. The Liberals, up until Trudeau's election, were always a centrist party fiscally, and to the left socially. Up until Stephen Harper, the Conservatives also were fairly centrist, only slightly more to the right than the Liberals on fiscal policy.
The reason Trudeau is not popular is because he doesn't have the brain power to be PM. I knew this when I voted for him, however, I assumed he would surround himself with bright people, as there is a depth of that talent in the Liberal Party. I had no issues with the Harper government fiscally, socially, I disagreed with a lot of things they did, such as mandatory minimum sentences. Even Conrad Black, who Margaret Thatcher said was so far right of her, he made her look "wet", disagreed with their "law and order" policies. However, with a few notable exceptions, Trudeau did not surround himself with the best and brightest from his party.
The most recent poll, released two days ago, finds that Canadians don't support either the Conservatives or the Liberals. There's only a three seat difference between them in that poll, and neither party would form a majority. If this holds (the election will be in October), the far left socialist party will hold the balance of power, and they will never align with the Conservatives. The problem is the Conservatives elected as leader a man devoid of charisma or presence. Really, given the broken promises of the Trudeau government, and some of its scandals, this should have been a slam dunk for a Conservative leader.
In the last German federal elections, the CDU/CSU still won more votes than any other party.
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What are you mumbling on about man??
I am demonstrating - once more - that you do not understand much that is going on around you..
Centrist governments are on the rise in Europe as people wake up and smell the coffee.
A Centrist govt idescribes Macron's govt .. :coffeeread:
Perhaps you meant 'Popularist ? ' You're not even right, there...
Take the recent EU results...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2019/may/26/eu-election-results-2019-across-europe (https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2019/may/26/eu-election-results-2019-across-europe)
The centre left parties won more seats ...
Do you really think that the EU feel they have Boris over a barrel compared to May, if so you're nuts?!
Yup, for the reasons I gave... he'll lose support - that even May had .. this is not rocket science .
You talk about us crashing out influencing other countries.....and you're right. Spoken like a true socialist europhile, you only see doom and gloom outside of an undemocratic union. When the UK leaves with all her money, you and the other remoaners will realise that life goes on, the sky didn't fall and when the dust settles, investment, commitment and business will be knocking on the door.
If you think one of the biggest economies and consumer nations on the planet will simply be cut off......then you're believing your own doomsday bullshit.
That said, its obvious that the majority of the countries who make up the EU wont leave, because they're on the take and getting nice big handouts.....from our tax money. Why would they leave unless the cash cow goes bang?
The UK and its decision to leave wont have any bearing on Romania, Malta, Bulgaria etc. And I hope you understand why......??
IF we crashed out - we willl demonstrate how 'wise' leaving would be .. Economic predictions from our own civil service point that out .. the CBI .. the Bank of England ..
I'm not too worried about that event - hence my £200 bet
Having lived in non contributing EU nations I 'get' that they value a lot more than 'handouts' .. Many nations wanted to join because to national security ..
Which EU nation has warred with another ?
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Socialism, globalism, eradicating sovereignty, culture, democracy and forced mass immigration have made people really think about it. The Merkels, Macrons and Trudeau's of the world are yesterdays people.
You are wrong about Trudeau. Canada is very much centrist politically. The Liberals, up until Trudeau's election, were always a centrist party fiscally, and to the left socially. Up until Stephen Harper, the Conservatives also were fairly centrist, only slightly more to the right than the Liberals on fiscal policy.
The reason Trudeau is not popular is because he doesn't have the brain power to be PM. I knew this when I voted for him, however, I assumed he would surround himself with bright people, as there is a depth of that talent in the Liberal Party. I had no issues with the Harper government fiscally, socially, I disagreed with a lot of things they did, such as mandatory minimum sentences. Even Conrad Black, who Margaret Thatcher said was so far right of her, he made her look "wet", disagreed with their "law and order" policies. However, with a few notable exceptions, Trudeau did not surround himself with the best and brightest from his party.
The most recent poll, released two days ago, finds that Canadians don't support either the Conservatives or the Liberals, and there's only a three seat difference between them, and neither would form a majority. If this holds, the far left socialist party will hold the balance of power, and they will never align with the Conservatives. The problem is the Conservatives elected as leader a man devoid of charisma or presence. Really, given the broken promises of the Trudeau government, and some of its scandals, this should have been a slam dunk for a Conservative leader.
In the last German federal elections, the CDU/CSU still won more votes than any other party.
Canada may be politically centrist to you but certainly not to me. I've always seen it as liberal, at least during the bulk of my adulthood. I guess one persons left wing is another centrist and one persons centrist is another's extreme right! It's down to debate that one me thinks?
I have quite a large number of friends/family in Canada and I see their posts and comments on Facebook. From the sample size I get to look at, most are anti Trudeau/anti government these days due to high tax & globalist, fuzzy thinking policies. It's quite a remarkable shift in a relatively short space of time, IMO.
You're right, Trudeau is stupid and comes across like a spoiled man child who's been used as a poster boy by the far left. Personally I think the guys an embarrassment and he's let the people of Canada down badly. I guess the thrust of my last post was the state of politics in the western world.
Turdeau, Macron et al all had pretty good support, they looked the part and they were sold to us as the good guys. Today, these types are walking perilously close to the cliff edge, as are the politicians in Germany, Netherlands, Italy etc. It's a trend.
The tide has changed because the people feel let down. Centrist governments have momentum, now whether that's enough to secure controlling seats today I'm not sure, but at this rate its going to happen. Some countries already have.....
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Canada may be politically centrist to you but certainly not to me. I've always seen it as liberal, at least during the bulk of my adulthood. I guess one persons left wing is another centrist and one persons centrist is another's extreme right! It's down to debate that one me thinks?
I have quite a large number of friends/family in Canada and I see their posts and comments on Facebook. From the sample size I get to look at, most are anti Trudeau/anti government these days due to high tax & globalist, fuzzy thinking policies. It's quite a remarkable shift in a relatively short space of time, IMO.
You're right, Trudeau is stupid and comes across like a spoiled man child who's been used as a poster boy by the far left. Personally I think the guys an embarrassment and he's let the people of Canada down badly. I guess the thrust of my last post was the state of politics in the western world.
Turdeau, Macron et al all had pretty good support, they looked the part and they were sold to us as the good guys. Today, these types are walking perilously close to the cliff edge, as are the politicians in Germany, Netherlands, Italy etc. It's a trend.
The tide has changed because the people feel let down. Centrist governments have momentum, now whether that's enough to secure controlling seats today I'm not sure, but at this rate its going to happen. Some countries already have.....
Canada is more centrist than the UK, I think, but yes, it's what one believes.
Canada's total personal (as opposed to corporate) tax burden (excluding GST) is on the lower side vis a vis the OECD. They are comparable to the UK (Canada is just slightly lower), and only slightly higher than the US. Your VAT rate is far higher than our GST rate.
Trudeau is not "far left". Jagmeet Singh, who actually is the smartest of the leaders, is to the left of Trudeau, as is Elizabeth May.
I don't believe Trudeau's support was ever particularly deep. The vote for him was really an anti Harper vote, not a pro Trudeau vote. There was also some nostalgia for Pierre Trudeau, and a belief he was similar to his father, who had a towering intellect. I didn't agree with Pierre Trudeau in most things either, but he had a vision for the country, and he did change it, mostly for the better.
I also believe that if wage stagnation and economic uncertainty didn't exist, most of these issues would disappear.
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Canada may be politically centrist to you but certainly not to me. I've always seen it as liberal, at least during the bulk of my adulthood. I guess one persons left wing is another centrist and one persons centrist is another's extreme right! It's down to debate that one me thinks?
I have quite a large number of friends/family in Canada and I see their posts and comments on Facebook. From the sample size I get to look at, most are anti Trudeau/anti government these days due to high tax & globalist, fuzzy thinking policies. It's quite a remarkable shift in a relatively short space of time, IMO.
You're right, Trudeau is stupid and comes across like a spoiled man child who's been used as a poster boy by the far left. Personally I think the guys an embarrassment and he's let the people of Canada down badly. I guess the thrust of my last post was the state of politics in the western world.
Turdeau, Macron et al all had pretty good support, they looked the part and they were sold to us as the good guys. Today, these types are walking perilously close to the cliff edge, as are the politicians in Germany, Netherlands, Italy etc. It's a trend.
The tide has changed because the people feel let down. Centrist governments have momentum, now whether that's enough to secure controlling seats today I'm not sure, but at this rate its going to happen. Some countries already have.....
Canada is more centrist than the UK, I think, but yes, it's what one believes.
Canada's total personal (as opposed to corporate) tax burden (excluding GST) is on the lower side vis a vis the OECD. They are comparable to the UK (Canada is just slightly lower), and only slightly higher than the US. Your VAT rate is far higher than our GST rate.
Trudeau is not "far left". Jagmeet Singh, who actually is the smartest of the leaders, is to the left of Trudeau, as is Elizabeth May.
I don't believe Trudeau's support was ever particularly deep. The vote for him was really an anti Harper vote, not a pro Trudeau vote. There was also some nostalgia for Pierre Trudeau, and a belief he was similar to his father, who had a towering intellect. I didn't agree with Pierre Trudeau in most things either, but he had a vision for the country, and he did change it, mostly for the better.
I also believe that if wage stagnation and economic uncertainty didn't exist, most of these issues would disappear.
Yea I think the daddy thing had a lot to do with it too. We all have our own opinions but respecting anything about Justin is extremely difficult for me to do.
Also, I think you have to be pretty far left to do just two of the following;
Justin Trudeau Pledges $30 Million To Promote LGBT In Third World Nations
https://capforcanada.com/justin-trudeau-pledges-30-million-to-promote-lgbt-in-third-world-nations/
Trudeau defends apology and $10.5-million payment to Omar Khadrhttps://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/trudeau-defends-apology-and-105-million-payment-to-omar-khadr/article35623594/
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/trudeau-defends-apology-and-105-million-payment-to-omar-khadr/article35623594/
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I don't have an issue with the LGBTQ funding, as it is about endorsing human rights. Even the Harper Conservatives established an "underground railroad" and fast tracked applications for gays, mostly from Iran.
Trudeau had no personal role in the Khadr payment. It was handled by the Justice Department. They were cleaning up a mistake of the previous government.
I know one of Khadr's lawyers personally. I don't think what Khadr received was out of the ballpark, in relation to other payments made for similar abrogation of duties to citizens. What is forgotten here is that Khadr was 15 years old, he wasn't in Afghanistan of his own volition, he was tortured to confess, there is no proof he killed anyone (Khadr himself says he shot a gun, but doesn't know if he killed anyone), and the Canadian government did not respect his constitutional rights, which every court in the country agreed on, including in right wing Alberta.
As for Boris Johnson, he seems to me to be slimy in his personal life. I can't respect a man with the morals of a sewer rat, but that's on a personal level.
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I don't have an issue with the LGBTQ funding, as it is about endorsing human rights. Even the Harper Conservatives established an "underground railroad" and fast tracked applications for gays, mostly from Iran.
As for Boris Johnson, he seems to me to be slimy in his personal life. I can't respect a man with the morals of a sewer rat, but that's on a personal level.
LGBTQ is about endorsing human rights...
but
Boris Johnson has the morals of a sewer rat.
Right. :ROFL:
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Sure he does. He impregnated his second wife while still married to his first wife, and has at least two other children out of wedlock, plus another affair with a woman he didn't manage to knock up. His current squeeze is the result of an affair he had while still married to the mother of his four children. Perhaps in your world, these are everyday occurrences. In mine, they are not.
Homosexuality is not a choice. So, I don't have an issue with treating homosexuals as human beings, rather than torturing them, or executing them, or forcing them to change sexes if they want to live (common in some parts of the Middle East).
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Yea its a tough one.
Would I prefer a man who can't keep it in his pants but knows how to run a country and look after its citizens, or a proper stand up family man who knows didley squat and ruins everything he touches? :reading:
*A theoretical problem.
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We'll see if he is an effective PM. I don't really care, either way. Just commenting on his messy personal "morality", or rather, complete lack thereof.
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Sure he does. He impregnated his second wife while still married to his first wife, and has at least two other children out of wedlock, plus another affair with a woman he didn't manage to knock up. His current squeeze is the result of an affair he had while still married to the mother of his four children. Perhaps in your world, these are everyday occurrences. In mine, they are not.
I know several chaps that that could be describing. All are effective in business. Liking the ladies doesnt make you a bad PM. It's a job that probably needs some testosterone. I'd say it's a good job Boris has some lead in his pencil. He'll need it.
Clearly the party members dont care either. I had the email with the voting numbers on and this is a screenshot from it:
(https://i.ibb.co/y5rPZnL/boris.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
As we can see, Boris totally walked it. Much to Moby's chagrin, only 138809 us us voted. 22000 members did not vote.
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As I noted, I have no opinion on his politics, nor do I care.
But, I think it takes more testosterone to go home to the same woman every day, a woman who is cooking, cleaning, and feeding your children, who, after childbirth, hasn't got the same tight body she had before (*see the Duchess of Sussex as a prime example), and who will ask you to take out the garbage. Sticking your d**k into every pretty thing that is willing to jump your bones is not a shining example of testosterone or maturity.
Nevertheless, as the better half said when I told him Johnson's history, roughly translated "Well, presumably he'll screw the rest of Europe the same way he screwed around."
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Just heard Boris Johnson’s first speech as PM on the steps of No.10.
Delighted to hear a British PM speak in such a positive, confident and punchy manner. For too long they’ve been meek, trying to appease everyone whilst doing nothing for anyone. I just hope he delivers on his promises.
The remoaners. Well, they gathered outside, shouted rubbish all the way through and waved EU flags in ridiculous fashion. Not a single ounce of class and it summed up who we all know them to be.
Anti democratic, bitter, fascist idiots who can’t accept other people’s opinions but most importantly, they can’t accept democratic votes.
As Boris has just said, the people who bet against Britain are going to lose their shirts!!
tiphat :thumbsup: :loving:
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Sure he does. He impregnated his second wife while still married to his first wife, and has at least two other children out of wedlock, plus another affair with a woman he didn't manage to knock up. His current squeeze is the result of an affair he had while still married to the mother of his four children. Perhaps in your world, these are everyday occurrences. In mine, they are not.
Homosexuality is not a choice. So, I don't have an issue with treating homosexuals as human beings, rather than torturing them, or executing them, or forcing them to change sexes if they want to live (common in some parts of the Middle East).
The gay agenda isn’t about human rights, that’s the smokescreen.
It’s about giving yet more power and profits to a pack of Lawyers and Politicians who definitely have the “morals of a sewer rat”.
The T for example is the most egregious and non-sensical portion of this travesty.
The sole purpose is so a bunch of extremely unethical Doctors (more like Dr Frankenstein) can profit from cutting a mans junk off and attempting to make a man a woman or vice versa.
These are individuals with severe mental problems who don’t need “professionals” to pretend otherwise for profit.
They need intensive counseling. A Johns Hopkins Psychiatrist has added his voice by saying more or less just that.
’Sex change’ is biologically impossible,” said McHugh. “People who undergo sex-reassignment surgery do not change from men to women or vice versa. Rather, they become feminized men or masculinized women. Claiming that this is civil-rights matter and encouraging surgical intervention is in reality to collaborate with and promote a mental disorder.”
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgender-mental-disorder-sex-change
A man will always have the DNA of a man and it’ll never be able to have a baby.
The absolute worst thing about this agenda will be robbing girls and young women of athletic medals.
Previously the progs were for (allegedly) women’s rights but you can throw that claim out the window.
Or if just gay the deviants can have a parade wearing nearly nothing and simulate sex in public. Families with children need to hide to avoid it.
Cross dressers and trannies now being forced into Libraries to confuse young children. And the reason for that is simple: they hope to eventually incorporate pedophilia into all of this degeneracy.
The gays who wish to marry, if they live in a city with 100 bakers who will make them a gay cake, aren’t satisfied with that. They will travel a hundred or hundreds of miles to find a Christian Baker, file a lawsuit and bankrupt them.
It isn’t at all about civil rights or human rights it’s about giving money and power to fascists and discouraging democracy.
The newest form of gender confusion is the claim that there are more than two genders.
Again a divisive strategy to help Lawyers and others profit from the prevailing mental illness of Liberals.
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Just heard Boris Johnson’s first speech as PM on the steps of No.10.
Delighted to hear a British PM speak in such a positive, confident and punchy manner. For too long they’ve been meek, trying to appease everyone whilst doing nothing for anyone. I just hope he delivers on his promises.
The remoaners. Well, they gathered outside, shouted rubbish all the way through and waved EU flags in ridiculous fashion. Not a single ounce of class and it summed up who we all know them to be.
Anti democratic, bitter, fascist idiots who can’t accept other people’s opinions but most importantly, they can’t accept democratic votes.
As Boris has just said, the people who bet against Britain are going to lose their shirts!!
tiphat :thumbsup: :loving:
Well said Rosco!! :thumbsup:
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Just heard Boris Johnson’s first speech as PM on the steps of No.10.
Delighted to hear a British PM speak in such a positive, confident and punchy manner. For too long they’ve been meek, trying to appease everyone whilst doing nothing for anyone. I just hope he delivers on his promises.
The remoaners. Well, they gathered outside, shouted rubbish all the way through and waved EU flags in ridiculous fashion. Not a single ounce of class and it summed up who we all know them to be.
Anti democratic, bitter, fascist idiots who can’t accept other people’s opinions but most importantly, they can’t accept democratic votes.
As Boris has just said, the people who bet against Britain are going to lose their shirts!!
tiphat :thumbsup: :loving:
Boris being Boris .. saying what the Muppets want to hear ... and canot deliver ..
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who, after childbirth, hasn't got the same tight body she had before
Translation: Women who let themselves go after having a kid. Or, the other side of the same coin: Women who feel they dont need to make an effort anymore having got married. That kind of thinking is one of many reasons some men seek foreign women over western women.
Thankfully, I have no experience of this. Gyms exist for women too if they choose to use them. Women after childbirth can choose to be the same or better shape as they were before.
I had to Google "Duchess of Sussex". Is Meghan Markle knackered already? I dont pay much attention to the minor royals. I think he only married her on instruction so they can tick a multi culti box and remain relevant to the yoof and not be kicked off the gravy train.
Just heard Boris Johnson’s first speech as PM on the steps of No.10.
Delighted to hear a British PM speak in such a positive, confident and punchy manner. For too long they’ve been meek, trying to appease everyone whilst doing nothing for anyone. I just hope he delivers on his promises.
He was in similar full flow when I saw him a couple of weeks ago..........
(https://i.ibb.co/gTDvc06/b2.jpg)
It was a great speech from a man I hope will be a great PM. :thumbsup:
Boris being Boris .. saying what the Muppets want to hear ... and canot deliver ..
Suck it up, buttercup. :chuckle:
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Translation: Women who let themselves go after having a kid. Or, the other side of the same coin: Women who feel they dont need to make an effort anymore having got married. That kind of thinking is one of many reasons some men seek foreign women over western women.
Er, no. A woman's body is never quite the same after delivering a child. Her skin is slightly different (thinner), her hips are a little different, if she breastfeeds, her breasts will be different, and let's not really go to other body parts.
Although I mentioned Markle, I was referring to the "whole package", not really weight.
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Just heard Boris Johnson’s first speech as PM on the steps of No.10.
Delighted to hear a British PM speak in such a positive, confident and punchy manner. For too long they’ve been meek, trying to appease everyone whilst doing nothing for anyone. I just hope he delivers on his promises.
The remoaners. Well, they gathered outside, shouted rubbish all the way through and waved EU flags in ridiculous fashion. Not a single ounce of class and it summed up who we all know them to be.
Anti democratic, bitter, fascist idiots who can’t accept other people’s opinions but most importantly, they can’t accept democratic votes.
As Boris has just said, the people who bet against Britain are going to lose their shirts!!
tiphat :thumbsup: :loving:
Boris being Boris .. saying what the Muppets want to hear ... and canot deliver ..
What an interesting, intelligent response from the house Remoaner. The good news is Moby, you’re just like the rest of those idiots....
:laugh:
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Translation: Women who let themselves go after having a kid. Or, the other side of the same coin: Women who feel they dont need to make an effort anymore having got married. That kind of thinking is one of many reasons some men seek foreign women over western women.
Er, no. A woman's body is never quite the same after delivering a child. Her skin is slightly different (thinner), her hips are a little different, if she breastfeeds, her breasts will be different, and let's not really go to other body parts.
Although I mentioned Markle, I was referring to the "whole package", not really weight.
So maybe more western women should behave as the French do.
Reading your post makes it sound like the guy is doing her a favor.
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IIRC When Brexit was still a glimmer in Nigel's eye - there was a comparison of UK and Switzerland and how the UK with it's high native IQ Brainpower and worldwide network of the Commonwealth of Nations and its anglosphere allies (USA) would easily surpass Switzerland in both economic success and Quality of Life if you lot could only resist the temptation to flood the UK with massive waves of low IQ Cultural Enrichment replacement populations who demand the dole sufficient to support 4 wives, 20 kids, and Sharia no-go zones within eyesight and earshot of their Mosque's Minarets and Council Estates.
That is until Allah willing they are able to fully replace the heritage populations and then it is Allahu Wackbar everywhere with grooming and stonings and beheadings of all the remaining infidels just like was commanded by the prophet for Lebanon and the rest of the Middle East.
Hoping for the former rather than the latter Sharia outcome as you might serve as a partial bellwether to reverse your Sharia chaos and prevent it from getting any worse here in the USA.
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Translation: Women who let themselves go after having a kid. Or, the other side of the same coin: Women who feel they dont need to make an effort anymore having got married. That kind of thinking is one of many reasons some men seek foreign women over western women.
Er, no. A woman's body is never quite the same after delivering a child. Her skin is slightly different (thinner), her hips are a little different, if she breastfeeds, her breasts will be different, and let's not really go to other body parts.
I beg to differ. My wife is in awesome shape with a mild six pack and we have a daughter. Breastfeeding brings back the figure faster Russian women say, and helps the breasts get back into shape - and from what I see, I agree. She is frequently accosted by women 15-20 years her junior for diet and exercise advice. When she goes into her gym classes, people often assume she is the teacher.
Although I mentioned Markle, I was referring to the "whole package", not really weight.
That is a package I dont find in the least appealing. I can't see why he married her if it was his own personal choice (which I doubt). Each to his own I suppose.......
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.............. if you lot could only resist the temptation to flood the UK with massive waves of low IQ Cultural Enrichment replacement populations who demand the dole sufficient to support 4 wives, 20 kids, and Sharia no-go zones within eyesight and earshot of their Mosque's Minarets and Council Estates.
That is until Allah willing they are able to fully replace the heritage populations and then it is Allahu Wackbar everywhere with grooming and stonings and beheadings of all the remaining infidels just like was commanded by the prophet for Lebanon and the rest of the Middle East.
Hoping for the former rather than the latter Sharia outcome as you might serve as a partial bellwether to reverse your Sharia chaos and still it from getting any worse here in the USA.
They're here already in huge numbers and breeding like rabbits. We have already retreated into the suburbs and large pockets of our cities (London especially) have been taken over. It's a question of long term damage control now. The Swiss style dream is unattainable now.
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What an interesting, intelligent response from the house Remoaner. The good news is Moby, you’re just like the rest of those idiots....
:laugh:
'Interesting' .. It is not only MY opinion - but that of a former employers and fellow journalists ..
"I was Boris Johnson’s boss: he is utterly unfit to be prime minister
Max Hastings
“moral bankruptcy, rooted in a contempt for truth”.
ttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain (http://ttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain)
..and before someone posts DAFT about Hastings being 'left of centre' - I'd advise to check..
Thanks for comfirming my impression that you are easily led, inattentive and don't ask the right questions.. hence - arriving at bizarre conclusions
They're here already in huge numbers and breeding like rabbits. We have already retreated into the suburbs and large pockets of our cities (London especially) have been taken over. It's a question of long term damage control now. The Swiss style dream is unattainable now.
So were the Poles, Romanians and Bulgarians you seek to stop ;) You really didn't think Brexit through ..
Do tell us the form of this 'damge control' ... ?
Sterilisation
Deportations
This should be good ..
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“moral bankruptcy, rooted in a contempt for truth”.
Sound familiar?
Do tell us the form of this 'damge control' ... ?
Hush - adults are talking. You have a blah blah topic for trolling and silliness.
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What an interesting, intelligent response from the house Remoaner. The good news is Moby, you’re just like the rest of those idiots....
:laugh:
'Interesting' .. It is not only MY opinion - but that of a former employers and fellow journalists ..
"I was Boris Johnson’s boss: he is utterly unfit to be prime minister
Max Hastings
“moral bankruptcy, rooted in a contempt for truth”.
ttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain (http://ttps://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain)
..and before someone posts DAFT about Hastings being 'left of centre' - I'd advise to check..
Thanks for comfirming my impression that you are easily led, inattentive and don't ask the right questions.. hence - arriving at bizarre conclusions
They're here already in huge numbers and breeding like rabbits. We have already retreated into the suburbs and large pockets of our cities (London especially) have been taken over. It's a question of long term damage control now. The Swiss style dream is unattainable now.
So were the Poles, Romanians and Bulgarians you seek to stop ;) You really didn't think Brexit through ..
Do tell us the form of this 'damge control' ... ?
Sterilisation
Deportations
This should be good ..
The Poles dislike Muzzies and refuse them back home.
Poles having 4 kids? They will be very important as soldiers in any future war against sharia types. Be thankful they’re there!
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Ah, OK.. I 'understand'..
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Just heard Boris Johnson’s first speech as PM on the steps of No.10.
Delighted to hear a British PM speak in such a positive, confident and punchy manner. For too long they’ve been meek, trying to appease everyone whilst doing nothing for anyone. I just hope he delivers on his promises.
The remoaners. Well, they gathered outside, shouted rubbish all the way through and waved EU flags in ridiculous fashion. Not a single ounce of class and it summed up who we all know them to be.
Anti democratic, bitter, fascist idiots who can’t accept other people’s opinions but most importantly, they can’t accept democratic votes.
As Boris has just said, the people who bet against Britain are going to lose their shirts!!
tiphat :thumbsup: :loving:
Boris being Boris .. saying what the Muppets want to hear ... and canot deliver ..
What an interesting, intelligent response from the house Remoaner. The good news is Moby, you’re just like the rest of those idiots....
:laugh:
The bitterness is palpable.
The remainers nightmare is in office and it’s been the night of the long knives as the cull begins.
Not sure about Sajiv as Chancellor but Priti Patel as Home Secretary!!!! Interesting times ahead.
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The bitterness is palpable.
The remainers nightmare is in office and it’s been the night of the long knives as the cull begins.
Not sure about Sajiv as Chancellor but Priti Patel as Home Secretary!!!! Interesting times ahead.
Poor DS/ JG
I am DELIGHTED that Boris has replaced May .. More resignations - more seat losses as the sensible tories cry, "Enough" of this lunacy ..
A Vote of no Confidence and we can have an election
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The bitterness is palpable.
The remainers nightmare is in office and it’s been the night of the long knives as the cull begins.
Not sure about Sajiv as Chancellor but Priti Patel as Home Secretary!!!! Interesting times ahead.
Poor DS/ JG
I am DELIGHTED that Boris has replaced May .. More resignations - more seat losses as the sensible tories cry, "Enough" of this lunacy ..
A Vote of no Confidence and we can have an election
Still spouting that nonsense?
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The bitterness is palpable.
The remainers nightmare is in office and it’s been the night of the long knives as the cull begins.
Not sure about Sajiv as Chancellor but Priti Patel as Home Secretary!!!! Interesting times ahead.
Poor DS/ JG
I am DELIGHTED that Boris has replaced May .. More resignations - more seat losses as the sensible tories cry, "Enough" of this lunacy ..
A Vote of no Confidence and we can have an election
Oh bless.
I can only imagine how angry at the world you are today. No doubt thumping your fist on dashboards and tables, blowing up in fits of rage at old people.
Moby, you just need to learn to accept democracy and be more tolerant.
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Homosexuality is not a choice.
It absolutely IS a choice...you are NOT born gay.
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“moral bankruptcy, rooted in a contempt for truth”.
Sound familiar?
HAHAHA...look in the mirror you black pot of kettle.
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Boris being Boris .. saying what the Muppets want to hear ... and canot deliver ..
muppets like you kermit the frog? ribbit! :dh:
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Oh bless.
I can only imagine how angry at the world you are today. [/quoye]
You do not read me well.. Plenty to be concerned about in the world , but UK wuse, lots of optimsm,,esp the rededing chances of a 'no deal' scenario
quote author=rosco link=topic=28252.msg496915#msg496915 date=1564000680]
No doubt thumping your fist on dashboards and tables, blowing up in fits of rage at old people.
Once more repeating the bollox of a o poor guy sore at making an ass of himself - your style )) Actually, it wss hard to sleep last night .v.close in Tbilisi and SC called ar 0030 to say good night ..I was sleeping - so I tried to 'get her back' -calling at .. 0030, her time.. and she showed me her spectaclur thunderstorms and .rain ..
quote author=rosco link=topic=28252.msg496915#msg496915 date=1564000680]
No doubt thumping your fist on dashboards and tables, blowing up in fits of rage at old people.
Moby, you just need to learn to accept democracy and be more tolerant.
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Democracy is the wish of the people, yes...? Well, then Boris is enforcing what WAS the will of the people.. He is not respecting the clear change of heart
Doubt me.. ? Wake up on August 2nd for a lesson ..as another 'leave' seat falls to a REMAIN party ..
You really aren't terribly good at reading folks - OR seeing a Bull-sh1tter for what they are ;)
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The bitterness is palpable.
The remainers nightmare is in office and it’s been the night of the long knives as the cull begins.
Not sure about Sajiv as Chancellor but Priti Patel as Home Secretary!!!! Interesting times ahead.
Poor DS/ JG
I am DELIGHTED that Boris has replaced May .. More resignations - more seat losses as the sensible tories cry, "Enough" of this lunacy ..
A Vote of no Confidence and we can have an election
you'd fit in perfectly in the movie: grumpy old men
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Per posts yesterday, rosco, here is an article today on why populism isn't a "sell" in Canada -
https://nationalpost.com/author/acoynenp
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Per posts yesterday, rosco, here is an article today on why populism isn't a "sell" in Canada -
https://nationalpost.com/author/acoynenp
Give it time. With enough liberal lunacy you’ll have your own Trump soon. :coffeeread:
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you'd fit in perfectly in the movie: grumpy old men
John Gustafson or Max Goldman ? :chuckle:
One of my fav movies..
As ever, some folks like to discuss me rather than the non elected ( save c.160k) leader of of the UK .. :coffeeread:
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the non elected ( save c.160k) leader of of the UK .. :coffeeread:
Tsk, tsk..........
(https://i.ibb.co/y5rPZnL/boris.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
As we can see, Boris totally walked it. Much to Moby's chagrin, only 138809 us us voted. 22000 members did not vote.
138809 of us it was, and he isn't "unelected" in any sense. The country votes for the party, and the party chooses its own leader. Naughty fibber.
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you'd fit in perfectly in the movie: grumpy old men
John Gustafson or Max Goldman ? :chuckle:
One of my fav movies..
As ever, some folks like to discuss me rather than the non elected ( save c.160k) leader of of the UK .. :coffeeread:
Actually a classic, W. Matthau and J. Lemmon is Grumpy Old Men.
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the non elected ( save c.160k) leader of of the UK .. :coffeeread:
The country votes for the party, and the party chooses its own leader. Naughty fibber.
A classic swerve used by most libs, so long as it suits!! Not a peep when Gordon Brown got in.
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the non elected ( save c.160k) leader of of the UK .. :coffeeread:
Thanks for re-enforcing my point ..
Tsk, tsk..........
(https://i.ibb.co/y5rPZnL/boris.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
As we can see, Boris totally walked it. Much to Moby's chagrin, only 138809 us us voted. 22000 members did not vote.
138809 of us it was, and he isn't "unelected" in any sense. The country votes for the party, and the party chooses its own leader. Naughty fibber.
Out of c.160k members.. c.140k bothered to voted ...the rest are prob Remain Tories who thought both candidates sucked..
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you'd fit in perfectly in the movie: grumpy old men
John Gustafson or Max Goldman ? :chuckle:
One of my fav movies..
As ever, some folks like to discuss me rather than the non elected ( save c.160k) leader of of the UK .. :coffeeread:
Actually a classic, W. Matthau and J. Lemmon is Grumpy Old Men.
I could probably play W. Matthau. :laugh:
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Out of c.160k members.. c.140k bothered to voted ...the rest are prob Remain Tories who thought both candidates sucked..
Perhaps. The 14% who didn't vote may well reflect remainers. Hardly your overwhelming majority of remainers you claim exist, eh Mobster? Oh dear. Moby trips over his own fibs :evilgrin0002:
the non elected ( save c.160k) leader of of the UK .. :coffeeread:
The country votes for the party, and the party chooses its own leader. Naughty fibber.
A classic swerve used by most libs, so long as it suits!! Not a peep when Gordon Brown got in.
Exactly. The rest of us never hooted about that like this lot are doing.
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It started out as frustration, almost having pity for sore losers but today I hold nothing but contempt for the idiots who feel the need to protest every appointment and each democratic vote and election they lose.
If someone comes to power and that person is wrong in how they choose to run a country, then debate the facts, point out the errors and make it clear to the voting public that in order for a better government, we need to vote differently next time. Instead, the idiots protest and proclaim impending doom before that persons even had a shite on the royal throne.
This lot, who all happen to be liberals reeling from a string of damaging defeats, chose to fabricate and publish lies, smear candidates with deflection and unwanted attention and behave like spoiled children, stamping their feet because they never got what they wanted! If they were normal people, you may not like the new leader but at least wait until he does something wrong and attack him for that. Their protest isn’t about what’s right, it’s about not getting their way!
I have zero respect for this behaviour and now find happiness in others pain. That said, something or someone in power, needs to make it clear that this has to stop. It’s unhealthy, it’s pathetic and it’s a worrying slide into shitsville.
If you don’t like the result of a democratic vote, then stand up and convince the nation why it’s wrong. Blowing up inflatable effigies, demanding re-votes, cause havoc to normal working people by holding pointless protests and slandering innocent individuals and effectively becoming a fascist and a bully, in the pretence of being against fascism.......is bloody outrageous.
To some degree it mirrors what’s going on in the US. Trumps a bit of a plonker but he’s certainly not the worst president we’ve seen. I also suspect both the US and the rest of the world would be worse off if Kilary was at the wheel. The media however, don’t recognise this and attack Trump for being Trump. Quite pathetic that so many buy into it.
Bottom line - We should be accountable for our actions but I fear it’s only going to get worse. War is on its way. The libs are praying for rain but they’ll not like it when it gets muddy.
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Perhaps. The 14% who didn't vote may well reflect remainers. Hardly your overwhelming majority of remainers you claim exist, eh Mobster? Oh dear. Moby trips over his own fibs :evilgrin0002:
Your Soviet style 'quotes' do you credit..
Pls find where I claim the Tory members would be 'remain'..
160K memebers ..when even he Lib Dems have more party members .. let alone Labour's -near 4 times more ..
Be ready to wake up on Aug 2nd minus at least one more MP less .. and this is a 'leave' seat ..
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It started out as frustration, almost having pity for sore losers but today I hold nothing but contempt for the idiots who feel the need to protest every appointment and each democratic vote and election they lose.
If someone comes to power and that person is wrong in how they choose to run a country, then debate the facts, point out the errors and make it clear to the voting public that in order for a better government, we need to vote differently next time. Instead, the idiots protest and proclaim impending doom before that persons even had a shite on the royal throne.
This lot, who all happen to be liberals reeling from a string of damaging defeats, chose to fabricate and publish lies, smear candidates with deflection and unwanted attention and behave like spoiled children, stamping their feet because they never got what they wanted! If they were normal people, you may not like the new leader but at least wait until he does something wrong and attack him for that. Their protest isn’t about what’s right, it’s about not getting their way!
I have zero respect for this behaviour and now find happiness in others pain. That said, something or someone in power, needs to make it clear that this has to stop. It’s unhealthy, it’s pathetic and it’s a worrying slide into shitsville.
If you don’t like the result of a democratic vote, then stand up and convince the nation why it’s wrong. Blowing up inflatable effigies, demanding re-votes, cause havoc to normal working people by holding pointless protests and slandering innocent individuals and effectively becoming a fascist and a bully, in the pretence of being against fascism.......is bloody outrageous.
To some degree it mirrors what’s going on in the US. Trumps a bit of a plonker but he’s certainly not the worst president we’ve seen. I also suspect both the US and the rest of the world would be worse off if Kilary was at the wheel. The media however, don’t recognise this and attack Trump for being Trump. Quite pathetic that so many buy into it.
Bottom line - We should be accountable for our actions but I fear it’s only going to get worse. War is on its way. The libs are praying for rain but they’ll not like it when it gets muddy.
I agree with all this.
Venues like Twitter are throbbing with the Mobys of the world, but at least you can spot them on there as they all do their virtue signalling, lying and anti-democratic howling using an #FBPE hashtag so they can all stick together like some kind for Orwellian Groupthink. These are the same people having 100 year old statues removed from universities because they are "offended" (usually on behalf of others) and demanding "safe spaces" to weep about gawd knows what while half the blokes are prancing around in feather boas and makeup pretending to be women...........
Moby is the thin end of that wedge. It must be resisted or the whole country will one day be like Brighton. And the bits that aren't will be like London: heaving with Muslims that they imported to feel "right on" and "diverse". They'll all then ignore the Muslims raping their daughters (as in Rotherham and others) for the "sake of diversity".
Moby embodies that whole fetid fuzzy-thinking leftist movement.
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I agree with all this. :ROFL:
Moby is the thin end of that wedge.
Says the secret UKIPer dresed up as a Tory .. ;)
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IF THIS ARTICLE IS TRUE..
https://www.itv.com/news/2019-07-26/itv-news-exclusive-jacob-rees-mogg-issues-style-guide-to-staff/ (https://www.itv.com/news/2019-07-26/itv-news-exclusive-jacob-rees-mogg-issues-style-guide-to-staff/)
ITV News exclusive: Jacob Rees-Mogg issues style guide to staff
Nicknamed the ‘Honourable Member for the 18th Century', Mr Rees-Mogg is known for his formal dress and love of tradition.
The EU has issued several directives over the decades asking member states to use metric measurements.
The UK has been a late adopter of the system, continuing to use miles rather than kilometres on road signs, for example.
Mr Rees-Mogg makes clear he would prefer staff to always use imperial measurements, most of which were phased out from the mid-1960s.
Back to 20 shillings to the £ and 12 pence to asilling, no doubt..
Our Manny is a fan...says it all, really :chuckle:
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It started out as frustration, almost having pity for sore losers but today I hold nothing but contempt for the idiots who feel the need to protest every appointment and each democratic vote and election they lose.
If someone comes to power and that person is wrong in how they choose to run a country, then debate the facts, point out the errors and make it clear to the voting public that in order for a better government, we need to vote differently next time. Instead, the idiots protest and proclaim impending doom before that persons even had a shite on the royal throne.
This lot, who all happen to be liberals reeling from a string of damaging defeats, chose to fabricate and publish lies, smear candidates with deflection and unwanted attention and behave like spoiled children, stamping their feet because they never got what they wanted! If they were normal people, you may not like the new leader but at least wait until he does something wrong and attack him for that. Their protest isn’t about what’s right, it’s about not getting their way!
I have zero respect for this behaviour and now find happiness in others pain. That said, something or someone in power, needs to make it clear that this has to stop. It’s unhealthy, it’s pathetic and it’s a worrying slide into shitsville.
If you don’t like the result of a democratic vote, then stand up and convince the nation why it’s wrong. Blowing up inflatable effigies, demanding re-votes, cause havoc to normal working people by holding pointless protests and slandering innocent individuals and effectively becoming a fascist and a bully, in the pretence of being against fascism.......is bloody outrageous.
To some degree it mirrors what’s going on in the US. Trumps a bit of a plonker but he’s certainly not the worst president we’ve seen. I also suspect both the US and the rest of the world would be worse off if Kilary was at the wheel. The media however, don’t recognise this and attack Trump for being Trump. Quite pathetic that so many buy into it.
Bottom line - We should be accountable for our actions but I fear it’s only going to get worse. War is on its way. The libs are praying for rain but they’ll not like it when it gets muddy.
I agree with all this.
Venues like Twitter are throbbing with the Mobys of the world, but at least you can spot them on there as they all do their virtue signalling, lying and anti-democratic howling using an #FBPE hashtag so they can all stick together like some kind for Orwellian Groupthink. These are the same people having 100 year old statues removed from universities because they are "offended" (usually on behalf of others) and demanding "safe spaces" to weep about gawd knows what while half the blokes are prancing around in feather boas and makeup pretending to be women...........
Moby is the thin end of that wedge. It must be resisted or the whole country will one day be like Brighton. And the bits that aren't will be like London: heaving with Muslims that they imported to feel "right on" and "diverse". They'll all then ignore the Muslims raping their daughters (as in Rotherham and others) for the "sake of diversity".
Moby embodies that whole fetid fuzzy-thinking leftist movement.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: Rosco really great post and Manny too.
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moby is like the fag who's butt end withered a little too long after after being blown and inhaled by big Boris.
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I heard in Dutch news that if a vote of no confidence against Boris is accepted then a no-deal brexit is fact. can the brits explain this to me?
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I heard in Dutch news that if a vote of no confidence against Boris is accepted then a no-deal brexit is fact. can the brits explain this to me?
There are arguments on both sides about this but the bottom line, as I understand it, is this:
We are due to leave the EU on October 31st. If nothing happens on the British side to ask for another extension then we leave. If no deal is in place then there is no deal, but we still go.
So, unless the British government changes its position, dictated by a coup or legitimate change of government, we are gone.
How can that change?
1) a change of government as noted above.
2) the EU who REALLY do not want a no-deal British exit from the EU pull on their big-boy pants and start to deal honestly with the British government.
Strategically, the new prime minister's role is to force the EU to negotiate honestly because the PM has made it clear that, unlike Mrs May who was the soft touch, velvet glove negotiator, Johnson's fist is NOT gloved in velvet and it is not soft.
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I heard in Dutch news that if a vote of no confidence against Boris is accepted then a no-deal brexit is fact. can the brits explain this to me?
No... I expect someone thinks that Oct 31st is set in stone - even if Boris and his Tory minority govt are gone ..
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Andrewfi, kindly explain to us what happens if TORY 'remain' MPs abstain or even vote against Boris in a VoNC.. Are your numbers 'faulty' AGAIN ?
Boris is in a weaker postion than May - esp after the Brecon by-election and some Tories MIGHT cross the floor to the LDs ...
What audience are you posting on behalf of .. the deluded ?
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Moby, this is hard to understand for people like you, but if nothing happens we leave the EU on October 31st unless somebody does something. The default is, as it was before, to leave. That requires no vote. Only by making a choice to do something else will something else happen.
The government's default position is to do nothing unless we have a better leave deal than a no deal or what is currently on the table. That's the current prime minister's job to manage to completion.
There's nothing else, no wittering, lying, or changes of heart.
I am sure that the current government has an opinion as to what an exit deal should look like. Now that the EU knows the bottom line I fully expect, as has been hinted at, by some in positions of power or influence within the EU, that the EU will seek to avoid a no deal exit.
The reason for the EU enabling previous delays was to get their version of a deal package approved by Parliament (or, ideally for the UK to decide to not leave) . They badly need a negotiated exit deal, more than Britain does. So, they will now talk. The British government will stick with the current timetable to encourage speed and honesty from the EU side.
Please don't mislead yourself with fantasies rooted in poor information and the expectation that everybody is as dishonest as you.
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I heard in Dutch news that if a vote of no confidence against Boris is accepted then a no-deal brexit is fact. can the brits explain this to me?
No... I expect someone thinks that Oct 31st is set in stone - even if Boris and his Tory minority govt are gone ..
the news calculated that if new elections are held that the earliest possible new govt is 8 nov. hence nodeal is fact
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the news calculated that if new elections are held that the earliest possible new govt is 8 nov. hence nodeal is fact
That's about the long and short of it. There will be no election before we leave. The government is clear that we will leave and thus we will leave.
The only question is the degree to which the EU will cave before the exit date. They may not change anything in which case the EU get what they really do not want. But that is why I expect that there will be a sudden collapse on the part of the EU after a lot of brave talk about how steadfast they all are and how Britain must accept their offer which is the 'only' offer.
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Moby, this is hard to understand for people like you, -
People like me can clearly add up better than you ..
The EU 'delaying' things ? .. 'People like me know that is nonsense' ..
Boris intends to try and run down the clockk and hope for a miracle in any General Election .. ALL that is going to happen is that he may take support from Farage's the brexitparty.com
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he may take support from Farage's the brexitparty.com
Most of it. And by so doing keep your pal Corbyn out.
You're not good at politics are you?
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moby, moby, moby, you just can't be honest, can you? I know I sound like a broken record but really - putting two words in quotes and attributing them to me is not at all honest. It is as a lie.
The EU enabled a delay in the UK leaving - if they did not agree to a delay we would have left already. You know that to be true, so why try to mislead or suggest otherwise?
The reason they agreed to a delay was that they did not want a no-deal exit (the previous default mode) and that has not changed.
It is not hard to see how you have ongoing problems with getting personal contacts and bizniz partners to trust you - there's nothing to trust!
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Most of it. And by so doing keep your pal Corbyn out.
You're not good at politics are you?
You are neither being honest ( repeating bollox about that t0sser Corbyn )
or too good at adding up..
It seems Thursday morning ( Aug 2nd) will be a surprise for someone..
moby, moby, moby, you just can't be honest, can you? I know I sound like a broken record but really - putting two words in quotes and attributing them to me is not at all honest. It is as a lie.
The EU enabled a delay in the UK leaving - if they did not agree to a delay we would have left already. You know that to be true, so why try to mislead or suggest otherwise?
The reason they agreed to a delay was that they did not want a no-deal exit (the previous default mode) and that has not changed.
It is not hard to see how you have ongoing problems with getting personal contacts and bizniz partners to trust you - there's nothing to trust!
There is simply no need to acuse a poster with a clue of being 'dishonest' because you do not understand the simplest things..
Who gave notice to 'leave' and asked for an extension ?
Thank you.....
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Is Boris a Globalist who will increase immigration?
“So there is Boris’ biggest joke – we voted for Brexit to reduce immigration and we end up with a Prime Minister eager to increase it! I often wonder why a party, the Conservative, which likes to portray itself as the party of the nation, is permanently dominated by liberal internationalists who are distinctly immigration friendly. No doubt it’s mainly about money – those who fund the Tory party like immigration because it provides them with cheap labour. Neither those money men, nor those who rise to the top in the Conservative party, appear to have any understanding of a country as the homeland of a particular people, to them it is merely an economy”.
http://www.westernspring.co.uk/boris-biggest-joke/
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he extolled the benefits (as he sees them) of immigration, removed the cap on skilled migration, revoked the pledge to reduce immigration to below 100,000 (which, as George Osborne has reminded us, the Tories never really believed in),
We need skilled migrants who speak English. We need doctors, nurses, scientists, surgeons, etc. To have a blanket cap makes no sense in that context and would be an own goal. All we need to do is vet those who come in. Immigration of quality people isnt a huge problem in modest numbers. What we dont want is the world's health tourists, Jihadis, criminals and vagrants.
and pledged to amnesty the million or so illegals thought to be currently in the country. This proposed amnesty will empower the newly legitimised illegals to import their families under Human Rights Laws, and you can no doubt imagine the baby boom which will follow the joyful reunions.
This is a typical Boris gaffe. He will never get that through. The media is already all over it (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/9604756/boris-johnson-amnesty-illegal-immigrants-taxpayer/).
The petition created by Alp Mehmet from Migrant Watch is here already:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/266925
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WHat's the betting the 'amnesty' was an idea from one of his colleagues or stakeholders. Probably never intended to enter the statute book but a negotiating tick box.
'Ah well' he will say to some unhappy person 'we tried to get it through for you, nevermind, try another day!'
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Jo Swinson... now there IS new hope for Britain ...
The new leader of the no hope Liberal Democrats. :ROFL:
New hope? This from the Sunday Times:
(https://i.ibb.co/TtsnxHR/swinson.jpg) (https://ibb.co/89HRLj2)
Moby, you are a lost cause. But at least with Swinson, you are among your own kind.
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So, she is saying that she supports a referendum only in order to have a change of outcome. She is not open to EU exit.
Yep, moby should send them his next pocket money and join the club!
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Our new 'leader' is deeply popular throughout the UK ;)
(https://tinyurl.com/boris-scared-in-Scotland)
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Funny that Ruth Davidson was on Radio 4 today telling us what a generally productive meeting she had had with Boris.
Always better to get it from the horse's mouth.
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Funny that Ruth Davidson was on Radio 4 today telling us what a generally productive meeting she had had with Boris.
Always better to get it from the horse's mouth.
:ROFL:
https://www.thenational.scot/news/17802579.boris-johnson-leaves-bute-house-meeting-back-door/ (https://www.thenational.scot/news/17802579.boris-johnson-leaves-bute-house-meeting-back-door/)
PRIME Minister Boris Johnson left via the back door after a meeting with First Minister Nicola Sturgeon at Bute House.
It came after Johnson was fiercely booed by crowds when he arrived earlier in the day.
So how did his visit to Wales go ?..https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-heads-for-wales-and-bitter-clash-with-first-minister-11773065]
[url]https://news.sky.com/story/boris-johnson-heads-for-wales-and-bitter-clash-with-first-minister-11773065
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Boris Johnson heads to Wales as pound hits fresh lows
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-visit-wales-booed-16671749 (https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-visit-wales-booed-16671749)
Prime Minister Boris Johnson was booed by protesters as he made his final stop of a trip to Wales.
He'll have his ass kicked in Brecon and another seat lost..
Indeed, it's all going so well..
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It must be resisted or the whole country will one day be like Brighton.
Manny,
I don't have a horse in this race, but I am naturally
curious about how things will turn out. I didn't understand
your reference about Brighton. I certainly know less about
your politics than you know about ours.
I am hopeful and optimistic that you guys will figure this
out and come out the other side whatever happens better
than ever.
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It must be resisted or the whole country will one day be like Brighton.
Manny,
I don't have a horse in this race, but I am naturally
curious about how things will turn out. I didn't understand
your reference about Brighton. I certainly know less about
your politics than you know about ours.
I am hopeful and optimistic that you guys will figure this
out and come out the other side whatever happens better
than ever.
It’s the UKs poofters paradise and a ‘progressive’ sinkhole.,
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PRIME Minister Boris Johnson left via the back door......
And right on cue.
Predictable Moby gets overly excited and far too emotional when someone writes their opinions in a 'news' article, and gets remotely close to validating his warped, alternative view of the world. I'd guess there was a crowd made up of the same class of idiot, who stood booing Boris during his opening speech at number 10 and anyone else who doesn't share their mindset....and vocally proclaim to hold a majority and authoritative view on politics.
If a bunch of numpties were standing outside a building, looking to harass and potentially assault the PM, then it would be wise to avoid confrontation and safely exit the building away from the unwashed mob. And lets not forget that these progressive, intelligent people who form the mob....have real form for egg chucking and smashing people over the head with blunt instruments whilst shouting nazi!! :'(
Sadly, Moby see's this as a weakness because he's as thick as the standard left wing linch mob......who don't represent a majority. :)
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It must be resisted or the whole country will one day be like Brighton.
Manny,
I don't have a horse in this race, but I am naturally
curious about how things will turn out. I didn't understand
your reference about Brighton. I certainly know less about
your politics than you know about ours.
I am hopeful and optimistic that you guys will figure this
out and come out the other side whatever happens better
than ever.
It’s the UKs poofters paradise and a ‘progressive’ sinkhole.,
Does Mobster live there? :nod: :laugh: :laugh:
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Does Mobster live there? :nod: :laugh: :laugh:
he can't afford to live there!! he needs to go to cyprus for seaside "living"..poor old pensioner countin' dem quids.
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And right on cue.
Hmm...strange comment .I'm resonding with actual FACTUAL news ..
Was Boris booed in Wales and Scotland .. ? Yup..
Did he leave via the back door - after his meeting with The Scottish First Minister .. Yup ..
Sadly, Moby see's this as a weakness because he's as thick as the standard left wing linch mob......who don't represent a majority. :)
'Interesting' how Rosco feels this constant need to suggest 'leftie' ..... Plenty of Tory MPs do not support Boris' 'Brexit strategy' ..
Then there's the question of 'thickness' - given most remain constituencies have a higher proportion of better qualified folks .. ;)
If this is 'warped reality' feel free to counter any point with a fact ... not suggesting actual news is someone's 'opinion '.,..
For sure, Boris is proving popular .. taking votes from Farage' lot ;)
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It’s the UKs poofters paradise and a ‘progressive’ sinkhole.,
Brighton is the quickest seaside resort for most Londoners to access and I have former tertiary education friends living there with two strapping sons and grand kids...It has a Yacht Marina and a designated nude bathing beach... and a Green MP..
Perhaps these are the sort of things that so 'upset' our DS...)
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For sure, Boris is proving popular .. taking votes from Farage' lot ;)
Otherwise known as the majority. :thumbsup:
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It’s the UKs poofters paradise and a ‘progressive’ sinkhole.,
Brighton is the quickest seaside resort for most Londoners to access and I have former tertiary education friends living there with two strapping sons and grand kids...It has a Yacht Marina and a designated nude bathing beach... and a Green MP..
Perhaps these are the sort of things that so 'upset' our DS...)
The place is also heaving with puffs, crossdressers, men pretending to be women, etc. Its a fuzzie thinking leftie paradise. Well known as such. Even look at the police car in gay rainbow colours......
(https://www.theargus.co.uk/resources/images/8097004.jpg)
Brighton is probably Moby's spiritual home.
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Otherwise known as the majority. :thumbsup:
There's something that will be gone tomorrow morning ...
The place is also heaving with puffs, crossdressers, men pretending to be women, etc. Its a fuzzie thinking leftie paradise. Well known as such. Even look at the police car in gay rainbow colours......
Judging by your post - you've been to Brighton as often as Sting ( Guile) :chuckle:
Brighton is probably Moby's spiritual home.
No thanks... too commercial for me ..
Don't worry - Manchester's Gay Pride is coming up, soon .. if you can afford a ticket ;)
(https://i2-prod.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/incoming/article15074250.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/180826_manchesterpride_gokwan_carlsukonik_014.jpg)
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Otherwise known as the majority. :thumbsup:
There's something that will be gone tomorrow morning ...
The place is also heaving with puffs, crossdressers, men pretending to be women, etc. Its a fuzzie thinking leftie paradise. Well known as such. Even look at the police car in gay rainbow colours......
Judging by your post - you've been to Brighton as often as Sting ( Guile) :chuckle:
Brighton is probably Moby's spiritual home.
No thanks... too commercial for me ..
Don't worry - Manchester's Gay Pride is coming up, soon .. if you can afford a ticket ;)
(https://i2-prod.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/incoming/article15074250.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/180826_manchesterpride_gokwan_carlsukonik_014.jpg)
Dear God,
A meteor strike might be in order. Remember Sodom and Gomorrah. :chuckle:
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Don't worry - Manchester's Gay Pride is coming up, soon .. if you can afford a ticket ;)
It doesn't sound like something that may interest me.
Perhaps you'd like a postcard from Pyongyang while I'm there?
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It’s the UKs poofters paradise and a ‘progressive’ sinkhole.,
Brighton is the quickest seaside resort for most Londoners to access and I have former tertiary education friends living there with two strapping sons and grand kids...It has a Yacht Marina and a designated nude bathing beach... and a Green MP..
Perhaps these are the sort of things that so 'upset' our DS...)
I lived in Hove for a few years. Brighton is a haven for degenerates.
If you like frequenting gay bars and rubbing shoulders with ‘bikers’ in leathers then it’s the place for you.
Since you’re an advocate of the place, what does that say about you? :rolleye0009:
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Perhaps you'd like a postcard from Pyongyang while I'm there?
You know my address ..
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I lived in Hove for a few years. Brighton is a haven for degenerates.
:chuckle:
Hove is where the old folks get ready to push up daisies .. What does THAT say about you ?
If you like frequenting gay bars and rubbing shoulders with ‘bikers’ in leathers then it’s the place for you.
Lot's of attractive ladies like gay bars - the 'alpha malle' types don't visit - incase therir insecurities blossom ?
Bikers in 'leather' ? Methinks DS' been watching Quadrophenia too many times ..
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Don't worry - Manchester's Gay Pride is coming up, soon .. if you can afford a ticket ;)
noooby get your rainbow tie dyes on you'll make a great switch hitter! :ROFL:
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As predicted, a Tory majority - a safe 8,000 majority - was reversed at Brecon :clapping:
Thebrexitparty.com delivered the seat to the Lib Dems ..! .. Nigel Farage' party is doing the nation a great service .. :ROFL:
Boris is more than welcome to call a Gen Election :welcome:
(https://www.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article16685885.ece/ALTERNATES/s510b/0_Brecon-and-Radnorshire-by-election.jpg)
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And right on cue.
Hmm...strange comment .I'm resonding with actual FACTUAL news ..
Was Boris booed in Wales and Scotland .. ? Yup..
Did he leave via the back door - after his meeting with The Scottish First Minister .. Yup ..
Sadly, Moby see's this as a weakness because he's as thick as the standard left wing linch mob......who don't represent a majority. :)
'Interesting' how Rosco feels this constant need to suggest 'leftie' ..... Plenty of Tory MPs do not support Boris' 'Brexit strategy' ..
Then there's the question of 'thickness' - given most remain constituencies have a higher proportion of better qualified folks .. ;)
If this is 'warped reality' feel free to counter any point with a fact ... not suggesting actual news is someone's 'opinion '.,..
For sure, Boris is proving popular .. taking votes from Farage' lot ;)
Ok I'll counter it with facts.
Remain and Leave voters don't live exclusively and independently from each other. They live together, sharing towns, cities and constituencies.
Therefore, wherever Boris goes he will likely be met by a vocal minority who wish to disrupt democracy and protest a result they lost. Meanwhile the working folks who support Boris are busy with their lives and are generally behaving themselves behind the scenes.
TV and lefty rags then show the anti Boris mob and portray a mass protest by a majority. It's always the same though isn't it?
This is fact Moby but I'm not surprised you struggle to understand life yet again......
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This morning, of all mornings - that's A REALLY hilarious 'lecture' ;)
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It’s the UKs poofters paradise and a ‘progressive’ sinkhole.,
I see said the blind man to his deaf wife as he picked up
his hammer and saw.
Thank you
Bill
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a rather long read in dutch but it shows exacly why pampering specialty groups ( gay. muslim. maroccon. etc.) is the wrong direction.
https://www.knack.be/nieuws/wereld/is-identiteitspolitiek-emancipatie-of-veeleer-het-tegendeel/article-opinion-1493219.html?fbclid=IwAR3vhPvYZXdbZvg8Dv69feEpG8bgzDemc5jE3a6ma2P1v_S5jF_c3z7jp70&cookie_check=1564761386
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As predicted, a Tory majority - a safe 8,000 majority - was reversed at Brecon :clapping:
Thebrexitparty.com delivered the seat to the Lib Dems ..! .. Nigel Farage' party is doing the nation a great service .. :ROFL:
Boris is more than welcome to call a Gen Election :welcome:
(https://www.walesonline.co.uk/incoming/article16685885.ece/ALTERNATES/s510b/0_Brecon-and-Radnorshire-by-election.jpg)
Erm.....
Brecon and Radnorshire was the first major test for the so-called "Remain Alliance" and the lack of competition from the Green Party and Plaid Cymru helped the Lib Dems to get over the line.
This is only a crowd of no hoper remain parties in Wales having a few non compete agreements in certain areas. It's actually quite anti democratic. But it's Brecon for gawds sake. Who has even ever heard of Radnorshire? :chuckle:
With help from Wiki, let's look at the major towns in the region: Brecon, Crickhowell, Ystradgynlais, Knighton, Llandrindod Wells. Nope, me neither. (:)
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Manny, this is a beautiful part of Wales and if THAT was the best excuse you have for losing a seat...
Get ready for Dover to fall...
'undemocratic'...? ))
Thebrexitparty.com are a single issue party and this was the way to counter them.
Do you think Farage and Boris will learn from this blunder?
I was pleased Labour got a good hiding ...perhaps...though I doubt it...Corbyn will get pushed aside?..
This loss means that even with the DUP, Boris is foxtrot oscared ...
I truly hope he calls a G.Election...
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This morning, of all mornings - that's A REALLY hilarious 'lecture' ;)
Well swerved. :'(
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Well swerved. :'(
Huh? ... Perhaps you could explain ..What point did I not cover to your 'satisfaction' ? :coffeeread:
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I truly hope he calls a G.Election...
If he does, it will be dated after Brexit. :coffeeread:
Suck it up, buttercup. :chuckle:
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If he does, it will be dated after Brexit. :coffeeread:
Suck it up, buttercup. :chuckle:
Hahahave,
It will not be his decision to call ..
Think he can run down the clock?..
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If he does, it will be dated after Brexit. :coffeeread:
Suck it up, buttercup. :chuckle:
Hahahave,
It will not be his decision to call ..
Think he can run down the clock?..
Try to wrap your natural English around the words written.
You said "I truly hope he calls a G.Election...", he being Boris.
I then explained what was the plan (cough, cough) should that be necessary and how it wouldn't impact Brexit anyway.
You then told us "It will not be his decision to call .."
So to recap: You hope the PM calls a General Election, in the hope that a remain Communist Corbyn government may happen, despite claiming to be a Tory, but when told why that won't impact Brexit anyway, you MobySwerveTM and tell us the PM doesn't decide when the PM calls a General Election contradicting yourself entirely. :drunk:
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If he does, it will be dated after Brexit. :coffeeread:
Suck it up, buttercup. :chuckle:
Hahahave,
It will not be his decision to call ..
Think he can run down the clock?..
Try to wrap your natural English around the words written.
You said "I truly hope he calls a G.Election...", he being Boris.
I then explained what was the plan (cough, cough) should that be necessary and how it wouldn't impact Brexit anyway.
You then told us "It will not be his decision to call .."
So to recap: You hope the PM calls a General Election, in the hope that a remain Communist Corbyn government may happen, despite claiming to be a Tory, but when told why that won't impact Brexit anyway, you MobySwerveTM and tell us the PM doesn't decide when the PM calls a General Election contradicting yourself entirely. :drunk:
Your 'recap' is your attempt to obfuscate..
1/ Boris effectively doesn't have a majority
2/ He'll lose any VoNC - if he tries to ensure a 'no deal' scenario
3/ I do not want Labour to win .. I do not trust him on 'Brexit', unilateral disarmament, Ireland, spending money we haven't got .. to mention a few ..must you persist in making stuff up...?
4/ I seek a remain ( or stop a 'no deal' ) electoral pact - believing that a Brecon scenario will ensue, nationwide ... Farage ensuring the very thing he seeks not happening - by taking Brextremist Tory votes...
5/ I reckon faced with this scenario.. Boris will realise the game is up..
6/ Expect moves to ensure he has no choice BUT to listen ..
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More MobySwerveTM malarkey.....
1/ Boris effectively doesn't have a majority
Yet he is Prime Minister. Go figure. Oh, and the key word there is "effectively", which means Moby is speculating.
2/ He'll lose any VoNC - if he tries to ensure a 'no deal' scenario
Again, speculating.
3/ I do not want Labour to win ..
Fibbing.
I do not trust him on 'Brexit', unilateral disarmament, Ireland, spending money we haven't got .. to mention a few ..
Coz you aint a Tory, lad.
must you persist in making stuff up...?
The irony. :ROFL:
4/ I seek a remain ( or stop a 'no deal' ) electoral pact - believing that a Brecon scenario will ensue, nationwide ... Farage ensuring the very thing he seeks not happening - by taking Brextremist Tory votes...
You support anti-democratic vote-rigging because the intent supports your point of view.
5/ I reckon faced with this scenario.. Boris will realise the game is up..
6/ Expect moves to ensure he has no choice BUT to listen ..
Cop for this Buttercup: Number 10 is mapping out a possible Autumn GE if necessary. And Boris will WALK it if they have to run with it.
Brexit is coming. :8)
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Yet he is Prime Minister. Go figure. Oh, and the key word there is "effectively", which means Moby is speculating.
Time will judge which one of us was correct ..
3/ I do not want Labour to win ..
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Fibbing.
Remarkably daft of you to post what I believe is 'untrue' .. My dream scenario is a Pact of pro brexit parties ..I do not include Labour in such a pact ..
I do not trust him on 'Brexit', unilateral disarmament, Ireland, spending money we haven't got .. to mention a few ..
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Coz you aint a Tory, lad.
What Tory trusts Corbyn on any of those points? .. I'm certainly not a Tory re Brexit policy .. So, John Major and Ken Clarke aren't Tories ( just two examples ) either, by your 'definition' ;) I think you should be in UKIP ... with your Islamophic views .. !
must you persist in making stuff up...?
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The irony. :ROFL:
Your being a 'paid up member' of the "I know Moby's life, better than Moby and I'll post bollox about it" - being your 'validation' ?;)
4/ I seek a remain ( or stop a 'no deal' ) electoral pact - believing that a Brecon scenario will ensue, nationwide ... Farage ensuring the very thing he seeks not happening - by taking Brextremist Tory votes...
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You support anti-democratic vote-rigging because the intent supports your point of view.
:ROFL:
Vote Rigging is illegal.. An electoral pact is not.. Remind us about the DUP-Tory pact - involving a Billion extra for N.Ireland ..Cash for Votes....
5/ I reckon faced with this scenario.. Boris will realise the game is up..
6/ Expect moves to ensure he has no choice BUT to listen ..
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Cop for this Buttercup: Number 10 is mapping out a possible Autumn GE if necessary. And Boris will WALK it if they have to run with it.
Brexit is coming. :8)
How is Boris going to 'walk it' if Tory voes are taken away by thebrexitparty.com - like Brecon ? ..
I note you ducked the 'moves coming' ... ;)
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It is true that the new PM has challenges to deliver the Brexit that we voted for, and some little alliances of anti-democratic losers seek to cause damage as with the Welsh backwater you mentioned.
We have rules to cover all eventualities if your little gang of losers do manage to disrupt Brexit.
My dream scenario is a Pact of pro brexit parties
I assume you meant "Anti-Brexit"? As you are not a pro-Brexit bloke. Have another on me.......... :drunk:
Worst case scenario: If you Pinkos do manage to disrupt Brexit or force a GE, we'll still win, and d'you know why? Because the public arent daft enough to vote in Corbyn (we all hope), have no appetite for Lib Dems/Greens/Wackos/Other either unless a limited protest vote. So only Boris on an increased majority is left. And as we know, MOST people want Brexit and dont want Corbyn.
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Thank you for high-lighting my howler / typo - YES, I meant anti-Brexit parties ...
When will you stop referringing to long-term Tories as as 'pinko, leftie, et al ' for having the common sense to understand the stupidity of Brexit - particularly in this time of protectiont trade wars ? About a third of Tories do not support Brexit ..
When you refer to 'we' re rules, I think you're going to find 'you' are going to find those rules are about to be used to apply liberal - I use the word deliberately ([;] - amounts of egg to faces ...
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And as we know, MOST people want Brexit and dont want Corbyn.
'We' know nothing of the sort re 'Brexit' .. I know a years worth of poll of polls - is just 'manipulated data'... this isn't some states where the govt askes polster to change the questions asked to get the 'right' result ;)
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When will you stop referringing to long-term Tories as as 'pinko, leftie, et al ' for having the common sense to understand the stupidity of Brexit - particularly in this time of protectiont trade wars ? About a third of Tories do not support Brexit ..
Which means 2/3rds of the party with a majority do support Brexit. Slipped up there eh, Buttercup?
And as we know, MOST people want Brexit and dont want Corbyn.
'We' know nothing of the sort re 'Brexit' .. I know a years worth of poll of polls - is just 'manipulated data'... this isn't some states where the govt askes polster to change the questions asked to get the 'right' result ;)
Yes we do. We had a referendum - a people's vote if you like - and a majority supported Brexit. Oh and then the Brexit Party (guess their purpose?) walked the European Elections........
So let's see, that's a majority of people......... oh, and a 3/1 majority of people in the party that has the um.... majority, and a Brexit Party victory in the Euro elections. So however you and the BBC spin that its a bloody majority, Buttercup. :coffeeread:
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When will you stop referringing to long-term Tories as as 'pinko, leftie, et al ' for having the common sense to understand the stupidity of Brexit - particularly in this time of protectiont trade wars ? About a third of Tories do not support Brexit ..
Which means 2/3rds of the party with a majority do support Brexit. Slipped up there eh, Buttercup?
?? You need to respond to what's written - not wat you want to say, Commisar ! ;)
Are these remain Tories 'lefties', too ? :chuckle:
And as we know, MOST people want Brexit and dont want Corbyn.
So let's see, that's a majority of people......... oh, and a 3/1 majority of people in the party that has the um.... majority, and a Brexit Party victory in the Euro elections. So however you and the BBC spin that its a bloody majority, Buttercup. :coffeeread:
Your 'majority' is about to be tested.. and we can see who span out of control
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Does anyone market a good brand of Buttercup Scotch - sounds like it might taste grand with a good Nicaraguan Puro Cigar about now!
What cabinet post does Nigel take and when does he become PM - I listen to him and the weather reports on LBC all the time on their YT Channel...
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Poor 'ol Cuffy..
Nigel Farage as PM )))
What ARE you smoking?
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What cabinet post does Nigel take and when does he become PM - I listen to him and the weather reports on LBC all the time on their YT Channel...
If a General Election happens any time soon, the Tories may have to do a deal with the Brexit party to bring it home, and the price for that is known to be a Lordship or Knighthood and a seat in the cabinet for Big Nige.
Johnson, Mogg and Farage would be a dream team.
Now of course the left who have been hollering for an election and call Boris 'unelected' now want to stop him having one. The leftists have done a full on MobySwerveTM there. They're all the same.........
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Manny, it is indeed true, that tossers like Corbyn said bring in on - but the moment Boris suspended Parliament he opened Pandora's Box..
Now he cannot be trusted and until 'no deal' is off the table .. Boris will not be allowed to set an Election Date - as he can change it, all will ..
He has had control wrested from his grip and some wonderful Tories - mainy who are LEAVE - will not be around and the Party is worse for it .. Boris has miscalculated BIG time ..All we need is for Dad to tell him he's a busted flush as the rest of the family leave him
Your 'dream ticket 'is my worst nightmare , and while Corbyn still runs Labour, any Election is a huge risk ..
The fairest solution, is of course a People's Vote .. with Leave with a deal, leave without a deal, and forget the whole thing as options..
Make the result binding and we can move back to normal politics ..and a General Election
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Manny, it is indeed true, that tossers like Corbyn said bring in on - but the moment Boris suspended Parliament he opened Pandora's Box..
Now he cannot be trusted and until 'no deal' is off the table .. Boris will not be allowed to set an Election Date - as he can change it, all will ..
He has had control wrested from his grip and some wonderful Tories - mainy who are LEAVE - will not be around and the Party is worse for it .. Boris has miscalculated BIG time ..All we need is for Dad to tell him he's a busted flush as the rest of the family leave him
Your 'dream ticket 'is my worst nightmare , and while Corbyn still runs Labour, any Election is a huge risk ..
The fairest solution, is of course a People's Vote .. with Leave with a deal, leave without a deal, and forget the whole thing as options..
Make the result binding and we can move back to normal politics ..and a General Election
You said you was smart and educated??
But you don't understand English??
The fairest solution, is of course a People's Vote
They had a referendum 3 years ago... you and your stuck up above them selves friends will never accept a leave vote.. for you lot it will always be forever .. the stupid general public.. people like myself just a dumb ass :censored: wit with no level of education do not know what is best for the country should have
What is best for the country should be left for "Smart educated " people like yourself ? You said this yourself ? So has your second in command friend.. you need to take a long look at yourself , cos what ever happens the country is leaving the EU.. if you could see yourself .. basically you want a dictatorship.. and under that dictatorship only people like yourself "Smart" people will have the right to vote only.. well of course.. your not going to want dumb asses like myself voting and messing things up for you are you?
You did point out I live in Russia so am out of touch with things in the UK didn't you? So again I will have no right to vote? It is what your basically saying.. so take way the vote from the dumb asses in the Uk and of course and thick shit Brits living out of the UK who are clueless about things in the Uk.. :laugh:
As your second in command said how can one accept a decision made by the mainly uneducated, unemployed and unemployable?. he said this :) and you think along the same terms..you are "Smart" and everyone else is stupid..and you're pretty well saying take voting rights away from stupid people .. do not deny it.. that is along the lines of what you and you're crony friends think AND want..
The bottom line is you have a serious problem accepting the result of the referendum cos you consider all the people who choses to leave not able to make a decision..they are stupid
You are a complete f****** nut case no better than Pol pot or Adolf Hitler.. you really want to hear yourself and your crony friends..
You also said the the referendum needs to be re run now people have had a chance to think about it? It is what you said.. so also included in your whacky government run by your crony friends it will work like this:
There will be an election .. after the vote (That is assuming your 2nd in command hasn't had half of the stupid electorate exterminated for being uneducated and stupid) the new prime minister will not take office for 3 years whilst the people can think about if it was a good decision to choose him? It is what you're saying..
After that 3 years there will be another election just to DOUBLE CHECK the first one was correct .. If all goes well there maybe a new PM if not another 3 years will be used to argue about it before one more election is made...
You are completely mad as a hatter!!!!
No different from Adolf Hitler, Pol pot or the EU who you love so much..
Unfortunately and thank god you are not GOD nor are any of your stupid friends , you're nothing.. you have nothing and non of your friends have nothing so being so "Smart"
In fact it makes you feel pretty sick listening to you and your friends comments about who should have the right to vote.. and I would take it as a direct insult and I should imagine most other people would also.. for me your saying myself, my family and all my friends are to stupid to vote and basically shouldn't even be given the right to vote..Your second in command made this very clear..big decisions like that should just be left to "Smart" people..
As I said comments about uneducated not being able to make a vote and basically being banned from voting.. for me if some one told that to me to my face I would probably go to prison for what I would do to them.. would soon see who was the "smart" one then. The dead one or alive one..
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Johnson, Mogg and Farage would be a dream team.
Your 'dream ticket 'is my worst nightmare , and while Corbyn still runs Labour, any Election is a huge risk ..
As the Guardianista you are, I'm sure that is your worst nightmare. We'll agree to differ.
While Corbyn is the leader of Labour is when us Tories (of which you claim to be one :P) WANT an election. There's no risk. Like taking candy from a baby. The country won't vote in a Communist. The Labour vote will diluted through Greens, Lib Dems and others. You lefties know that and that is why you are now howling that you dont want Boris to go to the country.
What are y'all scared of ? Democracy? Boris wants to run a General Election - to ask the country - call it a "people's vote" like you want, on the sole ticket of leaving the EU come what may. Because you all know you will LOSE. Thats why, Buttercup.
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What are y'all scared of ? Democracy? Boris wants to run a General Election - to ask the country - call it a "people's vote" like you want, on the sole ticket of leaving the EU come what may. Because you all know you will LOSE. Thats why, Buttercup.
If you had quoted all my last post you'll know why I am scared... of an election...before Boris has delivered the letter decreed by Parliament asking for an extension to article 50.
Then, I am scared that we would have an election, rather than a vote of the People ( taking this decision back from Parliament).
Why? Until 'Brexit' is sorted ( one way or another) no govt can function / plan
Let's vote on the options in a binding vote and return to normal politics..
I will accept the result of such a democratic vote, so 'Buttercup' is wondering why you are scared of democracy?
Any election that ignores the People's specific wishes on Brexit is not going to solve anything...
The Tories need to wake up and beg those that have left / been kicked out back ..having had the People's vote... They will not win an election v a pact of remain/ no to no deal parties who promise a binding People's vote..
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What cabinet post does Nigel take and when does he become PM - I listen to him and the weather reports on LBC all the time on their YT Channel...
If a General Election happens any time soon, the Tories may have to do a deal with the Brexit party to bring it home, and the price for that is known to be a Lordship or Knighthood and a seat in the cabinet for Big Nige.
Johnson, Mogg and Farage would be a dream team.
Now of course the left who have been hollering for an election and call Boris 'unelected' now want to stop him having one. The leftists have done a full on MobySwerveTM there. They're all the same.........
Easy solution...
Trump and Bojo do a USA/UK free trade agreement then Trump places reciprocal tariffs on the EU at the rate that the EU has on USA goods (25% on EU/4th Reich Cars and Trucks etc etc) - OR - the Arrogant EU Globalists decide that no more German Auto exports to the USA are not a good deal and 100% reciprocal tariffs/trade barriers on French-Italian-Greek Olive Oil, Wines, Cheeses, Cured meats all stay in the EU (California wines and Vermont and Wisconsin Cheeses are just as good and cheaper here)...
Bojo/UK surfs on the USA's tailcoats and viola - fair and reciprocal trade between the EU and USA/UK. Dusted and Done.
EU is already on notice and flew over to the USA to kiss Trump's arse and the arrogant Junkers asked if Trump would prefer an Autos reciprocal deal or a comprehensive EU/USA Free Trade Agreement... Trump selected the comprehensive FTA and the USA trade reps are working with the EU Trade Reps so timing is perfect for BoJo to discipline the commoners and jump on board with the USA/UK FTA first the EU does what the USA tells them to do as the 3rd Reich Operation Paperclip Engineers and Scientists all moved to the USA Rocket institutes and now the 4th Reich (EU) is actually taking instructions from their former 3rd Reich superiors in the USA.
Remember only the UK and France and Russia have nukes in Europa and of them the Russians have the most advanced and updated technology as a result of sanctions that Russia treated as a breach of all treaties - one of the reasons why Trump wants to bring the Russians back into the G8 and squash the Davos Globalists to the mutual benefit of both our European & UK cousins, the European peoples and the USA.
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Here's a jovial after dinner tale: yesterday wifey and I were at a small dinner party hosted by a well connected, ex-cabinet minister who lives locally and is a pal of ours. I always like to talk politics but her husband has a "no politics" in the house rule as he is fed up of it after so many years. Anyway, when he is out of earshot chatting to others, the chat invariably turns to politics. Especially as there was a bloke there who looked exactly like Neil Kinnock - but wasn't. :chuckle:
I mentioned what I had heard (from a local Labour MP as it goes) to run it up the flagpole to be sure it holds water.
If a General Election happens any time soon, the Tories may have to do a deal with the Brexit party to bring it home, and the price for that is known to be a Lordship or Knighthood and a seat in the cabinet for Big Nige.
You may very well think it's common knowledge in the circles that matter, that if need be, Sir Big Nige is as good as in the cabinet. Same as Clegg was - overnight. But I couldn't possibly comment.
You may very well think that if Big Nige got immigration it might elicit a sharp intake of breath from some; logical but unlikely some may say. But I couldn't possibly comment.
You may very well think that if Nigel can do the needful and deliver some northern Labour Brexit seats he will be golden Nige. But I couldn't possibly comment.
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As I said, a nightmare scenario...
But also a deluded wet dream..
Your 'well connected' mates will be mostly looking for new careers, soon.
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Think Moby: Nigel comes with fewer strings then the DUP. :coffeeread:
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I have a sneaking suspicion that Johnson was thinking he was the smartest man in the room.
Was his plan to have a snap election a way to cement his position as PM for the next five years with a cleaned house consisting of MPs who were allies and supporters?
If so, then he was rumbled - coz he ain't the smartest man in the room. An early election was unwinnable for Labour, but in November, if we have not left then the Conservatives will fall.
An early election serves the purpose of sweeping the table of business, so the effect is to silence the opposition.
Labour identified the game and have used it against Johnson. Ther strategy is to force the government to ask for an extension and then they will force an election.
What Johnson needs to do now is stop the current bill from becoming law - but his options here seem limited. As I understand it, while leaving the EU is the default position if nothing is done, the current bill will force the government to ask for an extension. When that happens, and an extension will be given, it is game over for Britain leaving the EU.
Lesson and takeaway: never assume that you are smarter than your opposition. (A lesson for moby here, perhaps?)
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the current bill will force the government to ask for an extension. When that happens, and an extension will be given, it is game over for Britain leaving the EU.
I disagree. If Boris is forced by Labour to get an extension, and then runs a GE, it makes the fact that Labour are anti-democratic and anti-Brexit an even stronger campaign ticket. That way, voting Tory (or Brexit Party if they can take Labour seats) will be the only way to leave the EU. Boris will still be PM and then we will leave the EU.
Labour can delay it; they can't stop it that I can see.
Labour aren't capable of winning an election with Corbyn and certainly not campaigning against democracy on a remain ticket.
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Why would andrewfi think 'Labour' rumbled Boris and Cummings?
Do check, you are 'mistaken' ..
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The forces against a British exit from the EU are powerful.
Johnson would be portrayed as a windbag unable to deliver on his core promise. The government will be portrayed as a bunch of incompetents. Look at the British media right now and the way they are being programmed ready to accept that Johnson is a buffoon and failure, the worst prime minister that the UK has ever had. Indeed, I saw that headline already today or yesterday.
That our exit will have been sabotaged is irrelevant, this is not about facts or honesty but about goals and outcomes.
Labour or Lib Dems would not win on the basis of their effectiveness but on the basis of simply being portrayed as 'not as bad as Boris'!
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Johnson would be portrayed as a windbag unable to deliver on his core promise.
Only in the leftist media, the readers of which would not vote Tory anyway. They are preaching to the converted.
Labour are unelectable and the Lib Dems are a joke.
Any General Election would be another EU vote in disguise.
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BBC, ITV, Channel 4, Channel 5, ITN.
Remember, this is not just about leaving the EU. For many stakeholders this is about the shape of the UK, who will run the country for a generation, or more, and how it will be done. Look at all the Tory MPs who have been sacked - all were, for one reason or another, traitors to the most important issue of the government in our time. Where do you think they sprang from? What interests do you think they represented? Do you think that there are not thousands of powerful and influential people just like them? The only difference between the other stakeholders and the sacked MPs is that Johnson could sack the MPs. He cannot do the same with civil servants, NGOs, media outlets and business people.
Just as we see in the USA ordinary people are programmed. They do not think, they substitute feelz for cognition and think them equal.
3 months of daily programming and, unless we leave the EU, Johnson will be finished in politics.
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Gotta laugh at andrewfi..
'programmed'..?
The funny thing is that most of you simply do do get that there are multiple players, with differing agendas and there is no overall strongest power influencing Joe public in the UK..
This is not Putin's Russia...
The weakest leak for those seeking a bing referendum IS Corbyn...who is an electoral liability.
Boris played his hand and it was always weak...hence the stunt to render Parliament moribund.
That and booting out MPs ...
He will not be seen as strong..
You will hear more and more about a second referendum.
IF that goes to the vote in Parliament and carries.. Boris will have to form a Pact with Nigel...
Corbyn will have to form a Pact with the 'useless' Lib Dems who , with the SNP , PC and a N.I alliance to screw the DUP, will put Brexit to bed...
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will put Brexit to bed...
In your dreams. :coffeeread:
Read and weep, Buttercup: https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1175222/brexit-news-boris-johnson-EU-no-deal-exit
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Why Moby and others like him are so brainwashed.
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Cornfed,
I think the correct adjective you are fumbling for is braindead...and it applies to those that cannot / will not see that Boris is simply trying and failing to run down the democratic clock..
Speaking of 'programming' ...Manny constantly refers to me as a Guardian reader, when I make for the 'Torygrapgh, BBC, Indy Euronews and RT to see varied 'news'...
The Daily Mail was amazingly 'good' at screwing o we Cameron.. So, Manny and Andrewfi are not being honest re who is trying to program who))
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Gotta laugh at andrewfi..
'programmed'..?
The funny thing is that most of you simply do do get that there are multiple players, with differing agendas and there is no overall strongest power influencing Joe public in the UK..
This is not Putin's Russia...
The weakest leak for those seeking a bing referendum IS Corbyn...who is an electoral liability.
Boris played his hand and it was always weak...hence the stunt to render Parliament moribund.
That and booting out MPs ...
He will not be seen as strong..
You will hear more and more about a second referendum.
IF that goes to the vote in Parliament and carries.. Boris will have to form a Pact with Nigel...
Corbyn will have to form a Pact with the 'useless' Lib Dems who , with the SNP , PC and a N.I alliance to screw the DUP, will put Brexit to bed...
You lot have forced this situation with your anti democratic ways and remain MP’s not representing their constituencies because supporting Brexit goes against their personal ideologies. It’s sick.
If you lot manage to screw us out of Brexit, expect a complete hiding at the next general election and a majority government that will wipe the floor. If you think it’s a dictatorship now you’ve got no idea when you minority libs and your fuzzy ideas become a whimper.
I hope you’re familiar with Newton’s 3rd law? I can taste the salty tears already!!
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'You lot'?
Did you check how many of the TORY MPs who Boris foolishly turfed out are pro 'leave' ?
They objected to his attempt to suspend Parliament
'Surprise'... Boris got his arse handed to him..
He is not trusted and is now largely impotent...
I am not surprised you are scared of the binding referendum....You seek a G.E which is a form of asking for affirmation of policy...
Why not have a binding referendum on Boris' 'deal', no deal or forget the whole thing?...Then have a G.E..
Then no one can say they were disenfranchised and democracy will rule...
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Boris' 'suspension' is ruled unlawful...
BBC News - Parliament suspension ruled 'unlawful'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49661855 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49661855)
Of course, there will be an appeal and by the time it is all sorted out...There may not be time to call the MPs back...
At least we know Boris' Bollox..as it stands is proven hollow..
He sought to avoid scrutiny...
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Of course, there will be an appeal and by the time it is all sorted out...There may not be time to call the MPs back...
Imagine that? :ROFL:
Your mate Gina Miller lost her attempt at stopping democracy too, funny you didn't link to that so here it is: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49604584
Only ever one side of the story with the lefties.......
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Again, with the 'leftie' Bollox..? Many Tories are anti Brexit or anti no deal...
You took a day to allow the news through))
I missed anyone else posting the news that THREE Judges are saying Boris lied to the Court as to the govt's intent re suspending Parliament for FIVE weeks..
Anyway, Good Luck with any Queen's Speech and legislation Boris hopes to get through, if he fails to deliver the terms of the 'Surrender (Sic) Bill'
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An entrepreneur from Glos'shire is taking the Govt to Court to ensure that IF Boris does not ask for an extension in the event of a no deal scenario...the Court of Sessions will send the letter..
Dale Vince...Ecotricity and Forest Green Rover s football club...Vegan food only at the ground)
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An entrepreneur from Glos'shire is taking the Govt to Court to ensure that IF Boris does not ask for an extension in the event of a no deal scenario...the Court of Sessions will send the letter..
Dale Vince...Ecotricity and Forest Green Rover s football club...Vegan food only at the ground)
The EU has already made it very clear, no extension will be granted unless a deal is already 90+ percent approved and its just dotting the i and crossing the t
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Why? Until 'Brexit' is sorted ( one way or another) no govt can function / plan
Let's vote on the options in a binding vote and return to normal politics..
I disagree with you. Until the government is sorted (by way of a people’s vote) the issue over Brexit can’t be resolved. You lot claim Boris can’t be trusted whereas in fact it’s you lot who can’t be trusted.
Attempting to tie up and block parliament at every turn and refusing to have a ‘people’s vote’ because you know you would lose, makes you enemies of democracy. At the next opportunity, these traitors will be kicked into touch by the people.
Shameful behaviour yet applauded by the likes of you.
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Boris's plan if he is prevented from having the country exit the EU:
- Resign as PM
- Recommend to the Queen she makes Corbyn PM
- Corbyn becomes PM
- Immediate vote of no confidence against Corbyn
- Fast General Election
- Boris becomes PM again
- Leave the EU as planned with a mandate from the people - AGAIN
- "Peoples Vote" maniacs now silenced.
Added benefits would be they'd have to collaborate with the Brexit Party to ensure a landslide, losing the need for the DUP, and after that, Big Nige would become the new ambassador to the US.
Winners!
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An entrepreneur from Glos'shire is taking the Govt to Court to ensure that IF Boris does not ask for an extension in the event of a no deal scenario...the Court of Sessions will send the letter..
Dale Vince...Ecotricity and Forest Green Rover s football club...Vegan food only at the ground)
The EU has already made it very clear, no extension will be granted unless a deal is already 90+ percent approved and its just dotting the i and crossing the t
Yes, the time has moved on. Earlier it was pretty much a given that an extension would be granted past Oct 31st in order that the UK might be persuaded or cajoled into staying - or that an agreement be reached that meant we were out and yet in.
Now the priority has become dealing with the uncertainties that are affecting the economies of both the EU and UK. So a further extension is now less likely to be granted.
What is rarely mentioned is that the actual work of negotiating our leaving starts AFTER we leave. In that respect deal, or no deal, is not really the most important thing.
The EU needs to get those real, and more important negotiations underway.
This might be Team Brexit's understanding too and so they are relatively unconcerned about the pissing match going on in parliament right now.
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Boris's plan if he is prevented from having the country exit the EU:
- Resign as PM
- Recommend to the Queen she makes Corbyn PM
- Corbyn becomes PM
- Immediate vote of no confidence against Corbyn
- Fast General Election
- Boris becomes PM again
- Leave the EU as planned with a mandate from the people - AGAIN
- "Peoples Vote" maniacs now silenced.
Added benefits would be they'd have to collaborate with the Brexit Party to ensure a landslide, losing the need for the DUP, and after that, Big Nige would become the new ambassador to the US.
Winners!
Where do I sign up? :thumbsup:
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I disagree with you. Until the government is sorted (by way of a people’s vote) the issue over Brexit can’t be resolved. You lot claim Boris can’t be trusted whereas in fact it’s you lot who can’t be trusted.
Attempting to tie up and block parliament at every turn and refusing to have a ‘people’s vote’ because you know you would lose, makes you enemies of democracy. At the next opportunity, these traitors will be kicked into touch by the people.
Shameful behaviour yet applauded by the likes of you.
You're not exactly being honest, Rosco ..
What is THE issue .. ? Brexit ... Is is slitting the two main parties ? Yes ..
Are Labour behind in the polls ? YES
YOU think Boris can get a majority ?
I say he won't esp. if we leave without a deal and the reality of the lunacy sinks in
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Boris's plan if he is prevented from having the country exit the EU:
- Resign as PM
- Recommend to the Queen she makes Corbyn PM
- Corbyn becomes PM
- Immediate vote of no confidence against Corbyn
IF the first things happen - do you believe Corbyn wouldn't survive a VoNC - if he promises a Peoples Vote and a G.E after ?
You just ain't thinking straight
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Boris's plan if he is prevented from having the country exit the EU:
- Resign as PM
- Recommend to the Queen she makes Corbyn PM
- Corbyn becomes PM
- Immediate vote of no confidence against Corbyn
IF the first things happen - do you believe Corbyn wouldn't survive a VoNC - if he promises a Peoples Vote and a G.E after ?
You just ain't thinking straight
Horse's mouth. Think what you like.
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Mr Ed,.. if you are old enough to know this talking horse ...has been having a laugh at your expense..
Your predictions have been going decidedly awry, lately.
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I disagree with you. Until the government is sorted (by way of a people’s vote) the issue over Brexit can’t be resolved. You lot claim Boris can’t be trusted whereas in fact it’s you lot who can’t be trusted.
Attempting to tie up and block parliament at every turn and refusing to have a ‘people’s vote’ because you know you would lose, makes you enemies of democracy. At the next opportunity, these traitors will be kicked into touch by the people.
Shameful behaviour yet applauded by the likes of you.
You're not exactly being honest, Rosco ..
What is THE issue .. ? Brexit ... Is is slitting the two main parties ? Yes ..
Are Labour behind in the polls ? YES
YOU think Boris can get a majority ?
I say he won't esp. if we leave without a deal and the reality of the lunacy sinks in
I’m being absolutely honest here. We were asked 3 and a half years ago to vote in a once in a life time referendum, to decided whether we wanted to leave or remain in the EU. It was down to the people and our then prime minister told us that we would decide, not the politicians and not parliament.
Fast forward 3 and a half years, it’s the politicians who are trying to decided. Over ruling the referendum result and attempting to over rule the government, currently trying to Brexit.
Forget re votes, Brexit will happen. We need to sort out parliament and an election would allow the people to vote in politicians to represent them. The anti democrats won’t allow this because they know the majority want to Brexit, with a fair deal or no deal and so they hold it up.
Moby you should try being honest here, it’s there for everyone to see. We’re being betrayed and our democracy pulled through the streets, yet people like you support this!
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You voted for an unbelivible wet dream to help v.rich folk avoid scrutiny of their taxes..
It has cost us not 'saved'
The referendum was ADVISORY..
end of.
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An article from Manny's mates..
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/468771-brexit-party-split-tory-extinction/ (https://www.rt.com/op-ed/468771-brexit-party-split-tory-extinction/)
Tory Extinction?
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You voted for an unbelivible wet dream to help v.rich folk avoid scrutiny of their taxes..
It has cost us not 'saved'
The referendum was ADVISORY..
end of.
No you’re wrong again.
This tax thing is just the latest in a very long line of made up excuses, following the racist, stupid and we didn’t know what we were voting for rubbish. These same offshore tax avoidance schemes have been available for decades, even under red rule and who’s to say the U.K. doesn’t use it to their advantage? Between that and corporation tax, the EU are very worried.
We were told to vote and decide as a nation. We were told that parliament would then implement the will of the people. This is not happening and people like you are the exact reason our democracy is on a shoogly nail.
It is costing us because it’s being held up. I won’t explain all this to you again but you remainers are extremely blinkered. Under the guise of fairness, you’re the most undemocratic, morally bankrupt group of individuals going.
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I am NOT wrong..you are merely demonstrating your penchant for believing what you want to believe / not believe..
Enjoying Cameron's memoirs..
Boris only joined 'leave' to further his career.
When you think back to the financial state of UK PLC then..what Cameron and Osborne had achieved, possibly with the help of coalition support from the likes of Vince Cable and our plight, now...
Madness.
How many former Tory PMs support Boris?
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I am NOT wrong..[words]
You are.
We were told to vote and decide as a nation. We were told that parliament would then implement the will of the people. This is not happening and people like you are the exact reason our democracy is on a shoogly nail.
It is costing us because it’s being held up. I won’t explain all this to you again but you remainers are extremely blinkered. Under the guise of fairness, you’re the most undemocratic, morally bankrupt group of individuals going.
This.
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Under British law referenda are advisory. However, the British government made a choice to restrict itself and make the referendum binding. That was a clear statement on the referendum document provided to all voters.
A post facto claim that the referendum was merely advisory is either ill informed or dishonest.
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A post facto claim that the referendum was merely advisory is either ill informed or dishonest.
Oh dear, per chance are you describing ms?
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A post facto claim that the referendum was merely advisory is either ill informed or dishonest.
Oh dear, per chance are you describing ms?
'ms' is not the only one making this incorrect claim. Whether he is ill-informed or following a more customary path, I will leave to you to decide.
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As even andrewfi 'admits' the referendum WAS advisory.
No idea or buts... It's a legal fact.
Cameron was a smarter guy than many give him credit for.
Gotta love the timing of him releasing his memoirs..
He speaks so highly of Boris and Gove.
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Stop lying Moby. You're becoming more transparent by the day.
I did NOT say the referendum was advisory. That you claim otherwise is a lie, not a fib, not a howler, but a lie.
Stoppit. Learn to tell the truth.
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Stop lying Moby. You're becoming more transparent by the day.
I did NOT say the referendum was advisory. That you claim otherwise is a lie, not a fib, not a howler, but a lie.
Stoppit. Learn to tell the truth.
Hmm... Who posted this on your behalf?
Under British law referenda are advisory.
Thank you...
Your 'however' did not preclude legal fact...
Now WHEN are you going to deal with these constant and easily demonstrable peccadillo issues you suggest for others when it is clear who is afflicted ...?
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Moby, stop lying. If you want to quote me then do so properly. Taking words in isolation is a form of lying and you know it. That's why you waste time on slicing up the words of others to enable you to twist out some dishonest meaning.
It is clear as day that you are simply unable to be honest. Your penchant for untruth has caught you out in the past and will continue to do so. One day your lies might just get you into a place that you really don't want to be.
Try honesty, it is easier than endless dishonesty. You don't really need to try to fool people. If people like and trust you they will gladly help you. Take advantage of people and they will shit on you.
I'll be honest here in saying that you've done pretty well with the lies, deception and dishonesty over the years. But, how much better would you have done if you had been more straight and done an honest day's work, built meaningful relationships and helped others to reach their goals rather than taking from them?
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An entrepreneur from Glos'shire is taking the Govt to Court to ensure that IF Boris does not ask for an extension in the event of a no deal scenario...the Court of Sessions will send the letter..
Dale Vince...Ecotricity and Forest Green Rover s football club...Vegan food only at the ground)
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The EU has already made it very clear, no extension will be granted unless a deal is already 90+ percent approved and its just dotting the i and crossing the t
Yes, the time has moved on. Earlier it was pretty much a given that an extension would be granted past Oct 31st in order that the UK might be persuaded or cajoled into staying - or that an agreement be reached that meant we were out and yet in.
Now the priority has become dealing with the uncertainties that are affecting the economies of both the EU and UK. So a further extension is now less likely to be granted.
What is rarely mentioned is that the actual work of negotiating our leaving starts AFTER we leave. In that respect deal, or no deal, is not really the most important thing.
The EU needs to get those real, and more important negotiations underway.
This might be Team Brexit's understanding too and so they are relatively unconcerned about the pissing match going on in parliament right now.
I believe Markje is mistaken..and..as usual andrewfi is fibbing.
In Markje's case ... If the EU see Boris is not calling the shots and someone else is, I hope the EU will grant an extension.
The UK and the EU nations have already released and edited lots of plans for a scenario for the UK leaving with and without a deal.
The issue has been and is that those two scenarios will result in different rules...To suggest as andrewfi has that negotiations will start after we leave is an utter fail re accuracy and he MUST know he is lying / misleading
I have had lots of stuff from the UK, Ireland and Cyprus as I know where to register for info
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I believe Markje is mistaken..and..as usual andrewfi is fibbing.
In Markje's case ... If the EU see Boris is .....
dutch news:
Mr Rutte (dutch prime minister) said it would be pointless for the uk Prime Minister to ask for a Brexit extension beyond the current exit deadline of 31 October unless he was willing to compromise on the current negotiating position.
(boris? fat chance)
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Moby, do you honestly, repeat honestly, think that all negotiations about our relationship with the EU will take place before we leave?
I am sure that even you are not that dim.
The current negotiations are designed to create a framework within which the later negotiations will take place. The real process will take several years.
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Markje just proved my point..
Depending on what happens re various Court rulings Boris might be PM in name only and gone soon enough.
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Moby, do you honestly, repeat honestly, think that all negotiations about our relationship with the EU will take place before we leave?
I am sure that even you are not that dim.
The current negotiations are designed to create a framework within which the later negotiations will take place. The real process will take several years.
Poor 'ol Andrew...
You DO know that despite the farce our politicians are creating that each EU nation has plans on how to deal with the UK citizens present and who might pitch up either for a holiday / seeking residency?
Of COURSE you do...if you actually still live in Spain / Finland.
The issue is what the UK is going to do.
Re Northern Ireland...it is all.well Boris stating no border controls even in the event of a 'no deal', but he knows EU citizens will be able to enter the UK without visas, so there IS a plan...it is just not what most folks will want to hear in N.Ireland and goods will be subject to checks or there'd be chaos...and 'taking back control' will be a joke in days..
You claim to be an intelligent chap, yet your posts demonstrate otherwise.
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Markje just proved my point..
Depending on what happens re various Court rulings Boris might be PM in name only and gone soon enough.
the new pm will be bound to the same rules. how does that prove your point.
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the new pm will be bound to the same rules. how does that prove your point.
Any new PM might control Parliament
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Moby, is everything only about you and your schemes to circumvent migration legislation?
Do you think that's the only issue being negotiated? Do you imagine that trade, law, social issues are not in need of negotiation? Do you really think that those are settled before we leave?
Go away, do some learning. Try to step outside of a world that is entirely Moby-centric. A world we almost nobody cares if you love or die, where your needs are worth precisely zero.
Then you'll be able to learn about how Britain leaving the EU is actually being planned and how the negotiations going on at the moment are little more than a preface to the real work.
Go, try it, try learning.
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Moby, is everything only about you and your schemes to circumvent migration legislation?
An untrue statement as to the reasoning - already discussed - given my other half does not wish to live here and I'm FAR more concerned about the N.Ireland question - which is - if you were honest and observant - been whyt I have been constant i in my stance that this issue would be why
Brexit could not 'work ' ...
Do you think that's the only issue being negotiated? Do you imagine that trade, law, social issues are not in need of negotiation? Do you really think that those are settled before we leave?
Don't you 'get' it ?
1/ If we crash out simply leave, without a deal - we've on default WTA terms? The govt has been frantically been doing deals but have made them with minor trading partners - such as S.America ... What you have highlighted is the failure of the govt and the lies of 'leave' re how 'easy' leaving would be ... Thank you !
Go away, do some learning. Try to step outside of a world that is entirely Moby-centric. A world we almost nobody cares if you love or die, where your needs are worth precisely zero.
Then you'll be able to learn about how Britain leaving the EU is actually being planned and how the negotiations going on at the moment are little more than a preface to the real work.
Go, try it, try learning.
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Says the guy who repeats nonsense and proves selective reading ..
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If we simply leave without a deal we will be on WTO terms - until something alternative is rapidly arranged by the Germans - the same as we are with China where everything in your house came from.
Your Project Fear stuff is rubbish.
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Manny,
Always editing my posts and SO formerly Soviet !
Crashing out - 'no deal' , WTO terms no control of a border with an EU nation
Real 'smart' ..
Project Fear was more factual than you like to admit ..
Aren't you aware of EU / China trade agreements that would be gone if we leave without a deal ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93European_Union_relations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93European_Union_relations)
We both know how easy it is now to order a PCB - with a design spec unique to oneself - by emailing the design from Cyprus / UK on a Thursday morning and having them delivered by Monday evening ..
Think it will be so easy IF we leave without a deal in the UK ? ..
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Manny,
Always editing my posts and SO formerly Soviet !
Crashing out - 'no deal' , WTO terms no control of a border with an EU nation
Real 'smart' ..
AKA "simply leaving" - there is no "crash", that's just Project Fear BS.
Deals can be done after we leave y'know.
Import duty on French and German produce would see a deal done in weeks.
Moving on......
Project Fear was more factual than you like to admit ..
Wrong.
Aren't you aware of EU / China trade agreements that would be gone if we leave without a deal ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93European_Union_relations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93European_Union_relations)
Irrelevant - we are leaving the EU.
We both know how easy it is now to order a PCB - with a design spec unique to oneself - by emailing the design from Cyprus / UK on a Thursday morning and having them delivered by Monday evening ..
I'm not aware one can make any kind of PCB so fast, but in that example absolutely nothing would change. Items arrive by courier, duty paid as appropriate - the end. The EU has no bearing at all on such a transaction.
Think it will be so easy IF we leave without a deal in the UK ? ..
It will be exactly the same WHEN we leave. More Project Fear BS.
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Manny,
It seems tat the Finns ( and others) may decide our future for us .. not 'us' our politicians / courts ..
https://www.euronews.com/2019/09/19/uk-must-submit-brexit-proposals-by-sept-30-or-it-s-over-says-finnish-pm
(https://www.euronews.com/2019/09/19/uk-must-submit-brexit-proposals-by-sept-30-or-it-s-over-says-finnish-pm)
If that is the case, we will see just how wrong you are in a few weeks
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moby, why keep on making stuff up?
I am sure that you already know that under EU legislation we can not negotiate trade deals with any country until we leave the EU. So why are you claiming that trade deals with non-EU states have been reached already? They haven't.
You are in a spiral of lies. This is egregious, even for you.
What is going on in your life that you have so much spare time that you can spend forever inventing and posting the stuff we see - let alone the stuff that gets filtered before we see it and the rubbish you spew elsewhere?
Are you under some kind of stress at the moment? If so, perhaps a visit to the quack might be in order. You probably don't see what is going on with you, don't see the decline. We do, we can see that you are getting worse.
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Are you under some kind of stress at the moment? If so, perhaps a visit to the quack might be in order. You probably don't see what is going on with you, don't see the decline. We do, we can see that you are getting worse.
I do not want to speculate on your personal situation it is non of my business but ms, as Andrew notes and I have also observed you seem to in some sort of downward mental health spiral. This is solely based on your postings. Most troubling is your denial. Man up and get some help.
If you do this it will make the forum a calmer and more enjoyable place, less work for the moderators and perhaps you will enjoy life more.
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moby, why keep on making stuff up?
I am sure that you already know that under EU legislation we can not negotiate trade deals with any country until we leave the EU. So why are you claiming that trade deals with non-EU states have been reached already? They haven't.
Ooops
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-47213842 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-47213842)
Andrewfi...Have you been sleeping ?
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Are you under some kind of stress at the moment? If so, perhaps a visit to the quack might be in order. You probably don't see what is going on with you, don't see the decline. We do, we can see that you are getting worse.
I do not want to speculate on your personal situation it is non of my business but ms, as Andrew notes and I have also observed you seem to in some sort of downward mental health spiral. This is solely based on your postings. Most troubling is your denial. Man up and get some help.
If you do this it will make the forum a calmer and more enjoyable place, less work for the moderators and perhaps you will enjoy life more.
I’m not sure Moby even recognises the term, man up.
People up would be what his sort say.
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No, but I did see Boris' sister have a right pop at him.. 'reprehensible' ..re his stance that respecting an Remain campaining MP murdered by a wacko would be to 'push for Brexit'?...
Think it was wrong to prevent a recess for three days for the Tory conference...
Apparently, Boris', the Attorney General and your letter writer's attitude has resulted in a further polarisation...
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Moby, you don't even bother to read the links you post do you! [edit, yes he does, this just another example of his dishonesty]
As I noted above, the UK cannot reach trade deals with any non-EU country while we are in the EU.
The link you posted quite clearly confirms that.
As I noted above, while the UK is part of the EU, the UK is unable to negotiate trade agreements with non-EU countries.
The link you posted quite clearly confirms that.
What has happened is negotiations about negotiations. And some countries have written to the effect that they are willing to negotiate trade deals with the UK when the exit takes place.
I am sure that you read the linked piece and chose to purposefully misrepresent its content knowing that most people will not bother to read it.
That's dishonest. You lied to us again.
You can't help yourself can you?
Is this part of a game you're playing? Trying to see just how dishonest you can be and get away with it?
It won't wash. You're busted, again.
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Better if you quote, Andrew, so we have context.
Also, please attack the post and not the poster as Moby is unable to reply with counter personal attacks.
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No, but I did see Boris' sister have a right pop at him.. 'reprehensible' ..re his stance that respecting an Remain campaign MP murdered by a wacko would be to 'push for Brexit'?...
Think it was wrong to prevent a recess for three days for the Tory conference...
Apparently, Boris', the Attorney General and your letter writer's attitude has resulted in a further polarisation...
Boris's sister, Rachel is somewhat confused fifty something who is attention seeking in an attempt to remain relevant (she isnt). Her Dad Stanley was a Tory MEP. She was a Tory and then she wasn't. She is a not bad writer, but she has proved herself a tad unstable by joining the Lib Dems as a Remaniac, and then the "Change UK" party (no, me neither), when her brother is trying to be PM. Family solidarity anyone? Any sensible younger sibling might have kept their head down to let their older brother have his time in the sun.....
I no longer read anything she has to say as she is 'out there'. Confusion, menopause, rivalry, jealousy, lost cause, lefty - take your pick. Who knows? Who cares? She is irrelevant in British politics.
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I can't follow UK politics, to much of a gong show.
Besides we have our own election going on and the clowns to choose
from is not inspiring. Sad time really. voting people out instead of in.
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Manny, please tell us how to distinguish between the dishonest words written by a dishonest person and the dishonest person alone?
You told us that you wanted to deal with a dishonest poster's posting. I understand that you don't have the resources to check stuff the dishonest poster links to. The dishonest poster can take advantage of that, as he has done before.
I am not going to copy paste the whole article to make a point that can be seen by clicking a link. However, the article makes clear what can and cannot be done before we leave the EU. It notes that we cannot conclude new trade agreements.
What can be done, and has been done, is to rename existing agreements. Other cases are not trade agreements at all and a large list of 'letters of intent' reflecting talks about talks.
So, no new trade agreements.
But the dishonest poster relies upon folks not having time to click links and makes stuff up attacking readers' time poverty.
On a personal level, I continue to resent, but treat very politely, the posts of the dishonest poster making dishonest posts with reference to myself.
I will continue to be as polite and forbearing as I have hitherto been, as evidenced by my post above rebutting a dishonest attempt to show that I was factually incorrect about the position of the British government vis a vis trade negotiations with non-eu states.
I hope that your new policy bears fruit.
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No, but I did see Boris' sister have a right pop at him.. 'reprehensible' ..re his stance that respecting an Remain campaign MP murdered by a wacko would be to 'push for Brexit'?...
Think it was wrong to prevent a recess for three days for the Tory conference...
Apparently, Boris', the Attorney General and your letter writer's attitude has resulted in a further polarisation...
Boris's sister, Rachel is somewhat confused fifty something who is attention seeking in an attempt to remain relevant (she isnt). Her Dad Stanley was a Tory MEP. She was a Tory and then she wasn't. She is a not bad writer, but she has proved herself a tad unstable by joining the Lib Dems as a Remaniac, and then the "Change UK" party (no, me neither), when her brother is trying to be PM. Family solidarity anyone? Any sensible younger sibling might have kept their head down to let their older brother have his time in the sun.....
I no longer read anything she has to say as she is 'out there'. Confusion, menopause, rivalry, jealousy, lost cause, lefty - take your pick. Who knows? Who cares? She is irrelevant in British politics.
It is interesting how you do not allow my responding to 'personal attacks' leaving the non factual content of said 'attacks' unchallenged and the posters in ignorance or misinformed.
Here, you are doing just the same.
https://news.sky.com/story/pm-attacked-by-his-own-sister-on-tv-after-using-reprehensible-language-11819940 (https://news.sky.com/story/pm-attacked-by-his-own-sister-on-tv-after-using-reprehensible-language-11819940)
PM calls for tempers to cool after attack by his own sister on TV for using 'reprehensible' language
Irrelevant, 'menopausal'?!
So, Mrs T should have been ignored, too?)
What Manny left out..
Boris brother also resigned, from the Tories ( over Boris' 'no deal' Brexit stance ) and Boris' dad is a REMAINer ..
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What time is it ... It is 6PM. Friday 31 January 2020
HAPPY BREXODUS DAY...
Time for our mother country cousins to unleash their innovation talents and become as prosperous as the Swiss!
As our Oz cousins say Gdonya-Mates!
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So, in mobyworld wshould take votes as a family or some other arbitrary unit and follow their choices?
How many more dishonest ways can Moby continue to purvey his malodorous ideas?
In the real world we are free to make our own choices - as is moby. What we don't get is the right to backtrack and overturn the choices made by the people as a whole. Our duty and responsibility is to work to ensure the best outcomes for those choices, not to sabotage them at every turn.
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Seen this today, if one wasn't convicted before, one should be now.
short and sweet and happy for the UK.
https://www.facebook.com/TheBlaze/videos/187589642356773/
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So, in mobyworld wshould take votes as a family or some other arbitrary unit and follow their choices?
How many more dishonest ways can Moby continue to purvey his malodorous ideas?
To remind you - The 'leave' campaign told us £350 million saved would be going to the NHS .. Of course it was a lie ..
BoJo told us that there ll be no checks on goods from N.Ireland to GB ..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51351677
(https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51351677) "Ports plan for Brexit Irish Sea checks" ..
In the real world we are free to make our own choices - as is moby. What we don't get is the right to backtrack and overturn the choices made by the people as a whole. Our duty and responsibility is to work to ensure the best outcomes for those choices, not to sabotage them at every turn.
People make choices based on policy promises .. They may even start to realise there's been a common denominator re a patent lack of delivering on them ..
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Farage can make a good speech.
The end of his speech was quite indicative of the problems the UK has been facing. As the presenter said it puts the whole issue in a microcosm.
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Farage is a salesman ... He's the guy who has an series of an wife and EU partners, yet sought to prevent other's from following him...!
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To remind you - The 'leave' campaign told us £350 million saved would be going to the NHS .. Of course it was a lie ..
Stop lying.
We will be saving £350m, and the slogan said "lets fund our NHS", it didn't say every penny would be going there. And even if it did, it cant be a lie as we have only just left so the savings haven't started yet.
Farage is a salesman ... He's the guy who has an series of an wife and EU partners, yet sought to prevent other's from following him...!
Pray tell how Nigel seeks to prevent people from having an EU partner?
More Moby fibs.
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To remind you - The 'leave' campaign told us £350 million saved would be going to the NHS .. Of course it was a lie ..
Stop lying.
We will be saving £350m, and the slogan said "lets fund our NHS", it didn't say every penny would be going there. And even if it did, it cant be a lie as we have only just left so the savings haven't started yet.
Farage is a salesman ... He's the guy who has an series of an wife and EU partners, yet sought to prevent other's from following him...!
Pray tell how Nigel seeks to prevent people from having an EU partner?
More Moby fibs.
Moby can no more stop lying then he can stop breathing.
His life is so much smoke and mirrors that he must question his very existence.
The emptiness of space barely compares to the vast depths of Mobys mythomania.
:chuckle:
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Stop lying.
Where apon Manny attempts to spin what was THE whopper for the 'leave' campaign ..
Q: Was any saving £350 million week ?
A: NO - it took NO account of Mrs T's rebate and EU regional development fund grants
Pray tell how Nigel seeks to prevent people from having an EU partner?
After 31st Dec 2020 - if Farage had his no deal scenario - would he be able to marry his German g/f and bring here here with no formalities / visas etc., ?
The truth is hard to fight
Moby can no more stop lying then he can stop breathing.
Says the chap who denies who he is and where he's posting from ..and wouldn't let a mod reveal he was a big, fat, fibber ...
His life is so much smoke and mirrors that he must question his very existence.
You seem to be confusing your state of denial with mine... it isn't easy caring for a loved one with Alzheimer's - but her memory - when lucid - is clearly more better than yours ! )
The emptiness of space barely compares to the vast depths of Mobys mythomania.
Do try to entertain me with such a case of 'mythomania' - We both know you are an expert in this field, JG ..
The PM has already sacked an appointee because she DARED to point out he's been fibbin' He'll be doing lots of that - you'll see.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/environment/global-warming/news/109624/sacked-climate-adviser-claire-oneill-scathing-attack (https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/environment/global-warming/news/109624/sacked-climate-adviser-claire-oneill-scathing-attack)
BTW - our life isn't bad ... I wake up to calls from a bikini clad wife reminding me of what I'm missing
(https://i.imgur.com/DUuDcsib.jpg)
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Poor Moby, still writhing and twisting in agony at losing. Do you want some cheese with that whine?
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Poor Moby, still writhing and twisting in agony at losing. Do you want some cheese with that whine?
For his whine he needs to shop in bulk. :ROFL:
https://shop.tillamook.com/cheese/2-lb-baby-loafs.html
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Stop lying.
Where apon Manny attempts to spin what was THE whopper for the 'leave' campaign ..
Q: Was any saving £350 million week ?
A: NO - it took NO account of Mrs T's rebate and EU regional development fund grants
Pray tell how Nigel seeks to prevent people from having an EU partner?
After 31st Dec 2020 - if Farage had his no deal scenario - would he be able to marry his German g/f and bring here here with no formalities / visas etc., ?
The truth is hard to fight
Words are important Moby. How does that stop Farage, or anyone, from having an EU partner?
Instead of wriggling, answer the question.
Moby can no more stop lying then he can stop breathing.
Says the chap who denies who he is and where he's posting from ..and wouldn't let a mod reveal he was a big, fat, fibber ...
You keep banging on about this Gaunt fella.....
If you’re fighting battles on another forum best you keep them there but in typical Mobystyle you pollute threads everywhere.
His life is so much smoke and mirrors that he must question his very existence.
You seem to be confusing your state of denial with mine... it isn't easy caring for a loved one with Alzheimer's - but her memory - when lucid - is clearly more better than yours ! )
How low can you stoop? Even mother dear gets rolled out to fight on your behalf.
The emptiness of space barely compares to the vast depths of Mobys mythomania.
Do try to entertain me with such a case of 'mythomania' - We both know you are an expert in this field, JG ..
The PM has already sacked an appointee because she DARED to point out he's been fibbin' He'll be doing lots of that - you'll see.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/environment/global-warming/news/109624/sacked-climate-adviser-claire-oneill-scathing-attack (https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/environment/global-warming/news/109624/sacked-climate-adviser-claire-oneill-scathing-attack)
Your lying and fibbing is littered all over this and other fora. One just has to read pretty much any thread to be exposed to it.
As PM he’s certainly entitled to sack any disloyal publicity grabbers. Long may he continue to do so.
Of course, you’d much rather have a Corbyn or an Abbott as PM but that’s never going to happen.
BTW - our life isn't bad ... I wake up to calls from a bikini clad wife reminding me of what I'm missing
(https://i.imgur.com/DUuDcsib.jpg)
You’re a strange bloke, no doubt. No one else here has this inexplicable urge you constantly display, in flashing your woman’s assets all over the internet.
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Stop lying.
Where apon Manny attempts to spin what was THE whopper for the 'leave' campaign ..
Q: Was any saving £350 million week ?
A: NO - it took NO account of Mrs T's rebate and EU regional development fund grants
Pray tell how Nigel seeks to prevent people from having an EU partner?
After 31st Dec 2020 - if Farage had his no deal scenario - would he be able to marry his German g/f and bring here here with no formalities / visas etc., ?
The truth is hard to fight
Words are important Moby. How does that stop Farage, or anyone, from having an EU partner?
Instead of wriggling, answer the question.
Moby can no more stop lying then he can stop breathing.
Says the chap who denies who he is and where he's posting from ..and wouldn't let a mod reveal he was a big, fat, fibber ...
You keep banging on about this Gaunt fella.....
If you’re fighting battles on another forum best you keep them there but in typical Mobystyle you pollute threads everywhere.
His life is so much smoke and mirrors that he must question his very existence.
You seem to be confusing your state of denial with mine... it isn't easy caring for a loved one with Alzheimer's - but her memory - when lucid - is clearly more better than yours ! )
How low can you stoop? Even mother dear gets rolled out to fight on your behalf.
The emptiness of space barely compares to the vast depths of Mobys mythomania.
Do try to entertain me with such a case of 'mythomania' - We both know you are an expert in this field, JG ..
The PM has already sacked an appointee because she DARED to point out he's been fibbin' He'll be doing lots of that - you'll see.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/environment/global-warming/news/109624/sacked-climate-adviser-claire-oneill-scathing-attack (https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/environment/global-warming/news/109624/sacked-climate-adviser-claire-oneill-scathing-attack)
Your lying and fibbing is littered all over this and other fora. One just has to read pretty much any thread to be exposed to it.
As PM he’s certainly entitled to sack any disloyal publicity grabbers. Long may he continue to do so.
Of course, you’d much rather have a Corbyn or an Abbott as PM but that’s never going to happen.
BTW - our life isn't bad ... I wake up to calls from a bikini clad wife reminding me of what I'm missing
(https://i.imgur.com/DUuDcsib.jpg)
You’re a strange bloke, no doubt. No one else here has this inexplicable urge you constantly display, in flashing your woman’s assets all over the internet.
Flashing his wife’s assets? It is overdone and a bit strange.
I know there’s a rule but I think he might be open game due to the excessive bikini shots.
One photo in particular I thought I saw signs of what happened to Bridget Bardot. Didn’t she end up with skin cancer? To each his/her own. But excessive sun can cause damage. I don’t mean this in a mean way either, but a cautionary way.
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I know there’s a rule but I think he might be open game due to the excessive bikini shots.
One photo in particular I thought I saw signs of what happened to Bridget Bardot. Didn’t she end up with skin cancer? To each his/her own. But excessive sun can cause damage. I don’t mean this in a mean way either, but a cautionary way.
Yeah I noticed that too...her skin tone is too dark and she probably doesn't use sunscreen. Skin cancer is real. When I was in the cote d'azur I noticed many women had sunburnt skin. Russians don't know about sunscreen care like in the west.
Moby do something good for once, get a nice SPF 45 and put some on her.
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Poor Moby, still writhing and twisting in agony at losing. Do you want some cheese with that whine?
Yes, please - a good smelly French one - before it is taxed and costs more !
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One photo in particular I thought I saw signs of what happened to Bridget Bardot. Didn’t she end up with skin cancer? To each his/her own. But excessive sun can cause damage. I don’t mean this in a mean way either, but a cautionary way.
Cornfed,
You DO have a point - re Sunbathing - but in this respect SC thinks she knows better ... :dh:
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Boris Johnson is prime minister, but perhaps not for much longer. His cabinet appears to be disintegrating around him, though for the moment he is still clinging to his position. Will he survive, resign, or be ousted? Interesting times...
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Oh, I think he's on his way out. But I don't see a challenger or even a stalking horse yet.
So, I think the game has a little more time to run.