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I certainly need a woman’s’ point of view on my situation. I’m confused. I’ve been communicating with a lady from Kiev for a long while and during this time we’ve been unable to coordinate a time for meeting. Probably due to the fact she is a doctor-Immunologist and very busy. Calls must be prearranged. I’ve no problem with going to Kiev. During this time I’ve also learned to be careful in regards to her privacy – she’s very careful. She writes nearly every day but says little and it is an effort to engage in deeper conversation. What little she says lets me know she is interested but… She loves that I send flowers and gifts (with photo). (1) Anyway my question is in regards to her business trips. She tells me when she is going and will write when she returns – which lasts several weeks and I never know how long it will be. Then after I give up and move on she returns and writes me. During this time she is absent from the dating site. (2) I wonder why she cannot write during her business trips and if I should call her during her business trips? (3) Should I continue to respect her boundaries by not calling her during this time? I’m very interested in her and her fine qualities but things are moving along like that of a glacier. Tentatively we spoke of meeting this May. (4) I wonder if I am being tested. It’s either respect her privacy or get more assertive and risk alienating her. Otherwise I’m patient and I suppose I could wait while pursuing other possibilities – which I have been.
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I certainly need a woman’s’ point of view on my situation. I’m confused. I’ve been communicating with a lady from Kiev for a long while and during this time we’ve been unable to coordinate a time for meeting. Probably due to the fact she is a doctor-Immunologist and very busy. Calls must be prearranged. I’ve no problem with going to Kiev. During this time I’ve also learned to be careful in regards to her privacy – she’s very careful. She writes nearly every day but says little and it is an effort to engage in deeper conversation. What little she says lets me know she is interested but… She loves that I send flowers and gifts (with photo). (1) Anyway my question is in regards to her business trips. She tells me when she is going and will write when she returns – which lasts several weeks and I never know how long it will be. Then after I give up and move on she returns and writes me. During this time she is absent from the dating site. (2) I wonder why she cannot write during her business trips and if I should call her during her business trips? (3) Should I continue to respect her boundaries by not calling her during this time? I’m very interested in her and her fine qualities but things are moving along like that of a glacier. Tentatively we spoke of meeting this May. (4) I wonder if I am being tested. It’s either respect her privacy or get more assertive and risk alienating her. Otherwise I’m patient and I suppose I could wait while pursuing other possibilities – which I have been.
Hi Bones
There aren't many females around and myself i haven't posted in a while, but i'll try my best. If you were my real life friend, or my cousin, i'd tell you: hope for the best, prepare for the worst. Of course it could be that she is working on some gvmnt funded/ top secret projects. It could be there's no internet where she is (during trips). All of that could be, but chances are small. It could also be that agency is making money on those flowers and gifts. Maybe it's not even her writing those letters (worst case scenario.) BEFORE meeting in real life, being you, i wouldn't invest into this "relationship", neither morally nor materially.
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The lady's right. You are being lied to. You do not need a woman to tell you this; you already know the score.
Ukraine is devolving into a shit hole but mobile telephone and Internet still functions. There's no practical reason why communication is impossible. Yes you are being ripped off in respect of the tributes that you send but the thing is communication, or it's lack.
Real or not, the behaviour of your interlocutor is not that of one who shares your goals.
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The lady's right.
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Hey Andy!
Looking good! Like an emperor in that chair! :KISSSS:
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Yeah, the kindly but powerful God Emperor. ;)
The trouble to find a seat that diminished my frame you'd not believe.
But yes, there's less of me than a year ago.
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She probably works split shifts 1 week on a dating site 3 weeks on a hooker site.. :laugh:
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She probably works split shifts 1 week on a dating site 3 weeks on a hooker site.. :laugh:
This one. :laugh:
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Is the conversation going through an agency site or direct by Skype?
Are the flower/gifts done by a 3rd party that the agency has no influence on?
This means a lot on how well you are connected with this girl. If its the agency that handles all for you it looks like the other replies here is the case really.
The deeper you want to go the more direct you will have to be!
You need her Skype details ASAP, phone and email, social media VK,FB etc. or whatever direct method she prefers.
Few agency sites do give the chance for a web cam call and chances are your girl are among the selection there too. That is one way to get Skype details.
The other is her VK page as some girls do list it on their profile.
The 3rd is asking for it through your current ways of contact. Though an agency might delete such information.
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To add, I dealt with a 3rd party for flowers and photo - not the agency. I should have mentioned that we’ve been in contact for a year and we missed our connection in Kiev due to my getting very ill so we only spoke on phone while I was in Kiev.
I have her phone number, just wondering if I should call during her trips. I trust the agency because I got other emails and phone numbers that way too from other girls. The agency also reveals when a member has been online or not. She hasn't. I’ll just call her and see what happens. But yes I feel now that she may be canceling something about her trips and not calling.
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To add, I dealt with a 3rd party for flowers and photo - not the agency. I should have mentioned that we’ve been in contact for a year and we missed our connection in Kiev due to my getting very ill so we only spoke on phone while I was in Kiev.
I have her phone number, just wondering if I should call during her trips. I trust the agency because I got other emails and phone numbers that way too from other girls. The agency also reveals when a member has been online or not. She hasn't. I’ll just call her and see what happens. But yes I feel now that she may be canceling something about her trips and not calling.
1. Cut out any and all agencies -- complete waste of your $$ and the woman probably does not know you even exist (her photos can be stolen and used by male translator named Boris)
2. One year? Absurd. If you are not on an airplane withing 6 weeks you've lost her interest.
I still cannot believe that men can be so foolish! Pay attention to what Steveboy wrote. He owns an agency and although he was joking, sadly not so much.
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Thanks all. Yes, she knows I exist. I had hoped I had made myself clear so I'll repeat - I believe I wrote in my earlier post that I have her number and we have talked. I dealt with her thru 3rd parties and got many photos of her this way. Also the agency does not have any part in our emails, yes I wrote that I have already been to Kiev to meet her but I became seriously ill while I was there & so I could only speak with her on the phone. Also I have good friends there & have been to Kiev many times in the past so I have no trouble going there - it is a matter of coordinating a time with her job. We separated for awhile and began again. 'Confederate' please understand that I am not a newbie, I have traveled extensively through the years, probably more than most here. I have a good understanding of agencies already. My only concern is trying to understand the mind & thinking of women of the FSU and the mystery of her business trips. Hooker jokes are funny but doesn't help.
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I agree with Confederate on his number one 1 reason here.
Though number 2 is more about the honesty of the girl and her interest in you.
If she is busy and travel is part of she can't find time to date locally which if you do the job of being the man well enough upfront she can wait for a long time for her man.
You can call if she understand your English well enough or you speak/understand Russian well enough. With the costs of calling from the former FSU she properly never will call unless you pay her for the cost.
But tell her you want to be more focused and need a more direct approach for communication as she is the only girl you are currently interested in 100%.
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I certainly need a woman’s’ point of view on my situation. I’m confused. I’ve been communicating with a lady from Kiev for a long while and during this time we’ve been unable to coordinate a time for meeting. Probably due to the fact she is a doctor-Immunologist and very busy. Calls must be prearranged. I’ve no problem with going to Kiev. During this time I’ve also learned to be careful in regards to her privacy – she’s very careful. She writes nearly every day but says little and it is an effort to engage in deeper conversation. What little she says lets me know she is interested but… She loves that I send flowers and gifts (with photo). (1) Anyway my question is in regards to her business trips. She tells me when she is going and will write when she returns – which lasts several weeks and I never know how long it will be. Then after I give up and move on she returns and writes me. During this time she is absent from the dating site. (2) I wonder why she cannot write during her business trips and if I should call her during her business trips? (3) Should I continue to respect her boundaries by not calling her during this time? I’m very interested in her and her fine qualities but things are moving along like that of a glacier. Tentatively we spoke of meeting this May. (4) I wonder if I am being tested. It’s either respect her privacy or get more assertive and risk alienating her. Otherwise I’m patient and I suppose I could wait while pursuing other possibilities – which I have been.
Well it seems like as I am in the same kind of situation but further that its hard for her to get deeper unless you are there in person!
Otherwise it is going nowhere so have a goal and set the time for the first meeting.
Respect the travel and that she is busy. Plan around it.
As for testing can she trust you and how many girls are you currently involved with now while you are in communication with her?
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risk alienating her.
Bones,
You're grown. You aren't a 16 year old love struck kid,
so I am going to give you my opinion without
sugarcoating it.
Dump the girl. She has far too many red flags. You
allowed her to do it, but she isn't honest, sincere
AND interested in you.
An honest, sincere and interested FSUW would never
go AWOL for two weeks. She would never go AWOL
for one week. An honest, sincere and interested FSUW
would find a way.
If her cell phone antenna was broken she would disassemble
her travel iron and use the internal wiring to boost her signal.
She would disassemble/reassemble it each day so that she
could both talk to you AND keep her clothes neatly pressed.
My guess is that she is hot. I've seen it a hundred times where
a Western man lets a vaguely interested FSUW lead him around
by the nose because she is hot and out of his league. If you
would have nipped this in the bud in the beginning this girl
might be worth pursuing, but she has been allowed to act
badly and is broken. You need to kick her cute little popka to
the curb.
Please write this down and post it next to your refrigerator.
"I deserve an attractive, sincere, honest and interested girl"
DUMP any girl who fails to meet any of those 4 criteria. Actually
if I were you I would put the word "very" in front of each
of those standards.
So if I were you I would dump the girl immediately and dump
the agency as well. Then do the following.
1. pick a city in the FSU with over 500K population, but not
Odessa, Kiev, Nikolayev or Eastern Ukraine. Buy a ticket to your
chosen city and rent an apartment for two weeks.
2. One week before your trip open an account on Mamba, make yourself a VIP and put $30 on the account.
3. Then search those who speak English and write 100 attractive
girls that you will be in their city next week and would like to
meet them for coffee or tea.
3. Dump anyone who doesn't seem very interested in you.
Dump anyone who you don't find adorable. Dump anyone who
is boring, who lies, etc. and keep dumping them until you find
one who stands out above the rest. Then spend the rest of your
trip pursuing her with cautious optimism. Always being prepared
to dump her and start over.
4. Lather, rinse and repeat until you find the future Mrs Bones.
Lastly, always wear your big boy pants from this day forward.
Don't let any woman lead you around by the nose again.
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Thanks all. Yes, she knows I exist. I had hoped I had made myself clear so I'll repeat - I believe I wrote in my earlier post that I have her number and we have talked. I dealt with her thru 3rd parties and got many photos of her this way. Also the agency does not have any part in our emails, yes I wrote that I have already been to Kiev to meet her but I became seriously ill while I was there & so I could only speak with her on the phone. Also I have good friends there & have been to Kiev many times in the past so I have no trouble going there - it is a matter of coordinating a time with her job. We separated for awhile and began again. 'Confederate' please understand that I am not a newbie, I have traveled extensively through the years, probably more than most here. I have a good understanding of agencies already. My only concern is trying to understand the mind & thinking of women of the FSU and the mystery of her business trips. Hooker jokes are funny but doesn't help.
Okay bud then why come here asking a question? This woman is obviously avoiding you or so it seems so there's the answer to your question.
PS...what popka said. all of it, plus:
Lastly, always wear your big boy pants from this day forward.
Don't let any woman lead you around by the nose again.
PPS...she's worse than a hooker! at least w/ a hooker, you know what's up!
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Will someone please enlighten me in where the red flags are and what the girl has done since the advice is to dump her and move on?
If the travel is work related why does she has to really inform a stranger who sends her stuff but never has gotten on a plane to meet just her?
Is there any signs of her interest in you Bones at this moment in time? Like VK or other information.
If she is calling its her cost so why should she call? Is she desperate? Or busy to survive on the pay check she gets.
If a girl is not hot or looking her best how is she going to attract a man? Or real love?
Where has this girl being dishonest based on the information in this thread?
1. pick a city in the FSU with over 500K population, but not
Odessa, Kiev, Nikolayev or Eastern Ukraine. Buy a ticket to your
chosen city and rent an apartment for two weeks.
You still can find a honest girl in those cities never assume you can't as its only in people head space and paradigm who gives advice on the internet. This is up to your experience to find the truth to you.
But buy the ticket, get an apartment and enjoy the trip!
Stop speculating and arrange the meeting with just her. You can't ask to much when its long distance anyway.
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Mr Strange I clearly wrote in my posting that I went to Kiev to meet her but I became ill & so called her instead. ( I stayed with friends that live there) I also wrote that I have made trips to Kiev in the past so traveling is not an issue for me but rather coordinating schedules with her trips.. I never asked that she should call me.
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Will someone please enlighten me in where the red flags are and what the girl has done since the advice is to dump her and move on?
Where has this girl being dishonest based on the information in this thread?
1. The girl goes totally AWOL, huge red flag.
2. He can't coordinate a meeting
3. Calls must be rearranged
4. She can't write back during business trips
pick a city in the FSU with over 500K population, but not
Odessa, Kiev, Nikolayev or Eastern Ukraine.
You still can find a honest girl in those cities never assume you can't as its only in people head space and paradigm who gives advice on the internet. This is up to your experience to find the truth to you.
But buy the ticket, get an apartment and enjoy the trip!
Sure you can find an honest girl anywhere, but in each of the cities listed
they have an industry designed to separate men from their money. So I
advise staying away from the industry cities. There are hundreds of cities
without the MOB industry, why not go to one of them?
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Bones try to ask her when she got time for your arrival if you have not done so.
1. The girl goes totally AWOL, huge red flag.
How important is it that she must be ready to reach 24/7 when her work life takes most of her life and her private life is thereby important but of less concern? Why do you expect her to be 100% ready 24/7 to a stranger? We are not aware now how deeply she feels about Bones at this point. What entitlement is that?
2. He can't coordinate a meeting
That sounds like Bones is the problem not her
3. Calls must be rearranged
If she has a busy lifestyle that is part of the things you have to deal with and if you can't sure move on.
4. She can't write back during business trips
Again see my answer to 1. Really If she is on a trip spare time is enjoying the place not her private life as such and we dont know how many hours a day she works on these trips or in general.
Somehow she still writes when she has time and every day too when she is not on a business trip.
Sure you can find an honest girl anywhere, but in each of the cities listed
they have an industry designed to separate men from their money. So I
advise staying away from the industry cities. There are hundreds of cities
without the MOB industry, why not go to one of them?
Sure I agree. It should be a lot more simple if you can't sort the great girls from the good from the bad and those 4 cities are where the MOB are mostly present so the younger the girl the harder it can be.
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I will once again repeat myself. I NEVER once said nor implied that I expected her to be 100% ready 24/7 to me. Where did you read this? Secondly, please tell me why I can't coordinate a meeting if she cannot commit to a time for her to meet me? (for a second time) How is this my fault? I can't force her. I merely asked for an opinion of this forum (FSU woman) as to why she does not write during her trips - nothing more.
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Okay bud then why come here asking a question? This woman is obviously avoiding you or so it seems so there's the answer to your question.
PS...what popka said. all of it, plus:
Lastly, always wear your big boy pants from this day forward.
Don't let any woman lead you around by the nose again.
PPS...she's worse than a hooker! at least w/ a hooker, you know what's up!
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Really Confederate? Personal insults? I came here asking for another perspective from an intelligent FSU woman not a snarky wise guy that needs to work on his reading comprehension. I wrote that we communicate between her business trips – You see that means she comes back to me between trips! If you read carefully you would understand that. I was wondering what to think about it from a woman’s point of view. Do you get it now…Bud? -- Big boy pants?? I suggest you empty your diapers and get off this forum. Your juvenile comments are not helpful for anyone. As for being a Hooker, how would you know this about someone I have been hoping to be my wife if she is true. Years past I have seem forums deteriorate to nothing because of gutless wonders that insult other members from the safety of anonymity. -- Do I know what’s up Bud? Yes I do. I know that you are just another coward with a smart mouth that doesn’t know what he is talking about. From now on please ignore my posts & I’ll certainly ignore yours. Better yet go back to your sandbox and don’t come back until you can conduct yourself like a man.
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1. The girl goes totally AWOL, huge red flag.
How important is it that she must be ready to reach 24/7 when her work life takes most of her life and her private life is thereby important but of less concern? Why do you expect her to be 100% ready 24/7 to a stranger? We are not aware now how deeply she feels about Bones at this point. What entitlement is that?
I didn't say that she needs to be reached 24/7 did I?
She goes AWOL, (probably getting deep drilled by a local yokel)
for long periods of time. Go to Mamba and write any FSUW and
ask her about the behavior. 100% would describe it as negative.
2. He can't coordinate a meeting
That sounds like Bones is the problem not her
3. Calls must be rearranged
If she has a busy lifestyle that is part of the things you have to deal with and if you can't sure move on.
4. She can't write back during business trips
Again see my answer to 1. Really If she is on a trip spare time is enjoying the place not her private life as such and we don't know how many hours a day she works on these trips or in general.
Somehow she still writes when she has time and every day too when she is not on a business trip.
She doesn't write to him at all when she goes AWOL.
The most likely reason she goes totally AWOL is because
she is with another man. An interested FSUW would find a
way. That's the facts, You can argue with me but you would
still be wrong.
Somehow she still writes when she has time and every day too when she is not on a business trip.
Sure I agree. It should be a lot more simple if you can't sort the great girls from the good from the bad and those 4 cities are where the MOB are mostly present so the younger the girl the harder it can be.
It's probably a pay per view/pay by the letter site. That would be the next
question for the OP. But, the girl doesn't show sufficient interest and needs
to be discarded.
At the end of the day, an interested FSUW would make herself available for
talking on the phone, skype etc. She would REALLY, REALLY make herself
available for a meeting in person.
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I will once again repeat myself. I NEVER once said nor implied that I expected her to be 100% ready 24/7 to me. Where did you read this? Secondly, please tell me why I can't coordinate a meeting if she cannot commit to a time for her to meet me? (for a second time) How is this my fault? I can't force her. I merely asked for an opinion of this forum (FSU woman) as to why she does not write during her trips - nothing more.
I am just trying understand why she gets red flags so easily out of the gate for having a busy lifestyle to a stranger she has not meet in person or have special feelings for if she has.
So I question the motive for these or what is behind that logic for a clearer understanding.
Why can't she? I am not her so I got no idea on the real answer other than be assertive in getting her to find time or move on.
What is my opinion? Well a busy lifestyle is what you are up against and you have to deal with that. Part of it makes you speculate the things to much and if you ain't got an alternative to this lifestyle or getting through to her on an emotional level prior to going then you matter less importantly in her life.
She is properly to busy on a business trip to care for her private life and you as it is.
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I am just trying understand why she gets red flags so easily out of the gate for having a busy lifestyle to a stranger she has not meet in person or have special feelings for if she has.
She is properly too busy on a business trip to care for her private life and you as it is.
An international marriage is difficult. It takes a lot of time, money, AND effort
by everyone involved. That girl isn't interested enough to put in the required
effort.
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The website in question is not a pay per view/pay by the letter site. As everyone here knows, these sites have a awful reputation for writing fiction.
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Ok but what kind of interest is missing here?
I know the emotional one but that one takes time and effort.
So she is on a business trip and she informs Bones of going? Then after she comes back there she is again. That is so far the interest so AWOL is only in periods.
Being assertive and a man here should work in getting the time.
How are you communicating with this girl Bones?
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Okay bud then why come here asking a question? This woman is obviously avoiding you or so it seems so there's the answer to your question.
PS...what popka said. all of it, plus:
Lastly, always wear your big boy pants from this day forward.
Don't let any woman lead you around by the nose again.
PPS...she's worse than a hooker! at least w/ a hooker, you know what's up!
Really Confederate? Personal insults? I came here asking for another perspective from an intelligent FSU woman not a snarky wise guy that needs to work on his reading comprehension. I wrote that we communicate between her business trips – You see that means she comes back to me between trips! If you read carefully you would understand that. I was wondering what to think about it from a woman’s point of view. Do you get it now…Bud? -- Big boy pants?? I suggest you empty your diapers and get off this forum. Your juvenile comments are not helpful for anyone. As for being a Hooker, how would you know this about someone I have been hoping to be my wife if she is true. Years past I have seem forums deteriorate to nothing because of gutless wonders that insult other members from the safety of anonymity. -- Do I know what’s up Bud? Yes I do. I know that you are just another coward with a smart mouth that doesn’t know what he is talking about. From now on please ignore my posts & I’ll certainly ignore yours. Better yet go back to your sandbox and don’t come back until you can conduct yourself like a man.
You are extremely delusional and there's simply no hope for you "bud". :trainwreck:
PS. If you had any reading comprehension you would have recognized the "big boy pants" as being a statement from Popka. You're so desperate for your fantasy woman to be real that you're just foaming at the mouth now.
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This from coward? "Yawn" Go back to your playpen. We're done here. Rave on child if you must but I'll be ignoring you from now on. :)))
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This from coward? "Yawn" Go back to your playpen. We're done here. Rave on child if you must but I'll be ignoring you from now on. :)))
Might as well ignore everyone then since you've received consistent advice from all here, but only wish to live in your fantasy world. :coffeeread:
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The website in question is not a pay per view/pay by the letter site. As everyone here knows, these sites have a awful reputation for writing fiction.
Thank you for answering that question. You've read my opinion, hopefully
others will chime in as well, then you can make a decision on what to do.
I've spent years before meeting Mrs Popka, I've written to thousands of
FSUW and dated around a hundred. My advice is based on experience.
I can tell you that there are many ways to be successful but many times
more ways to screw it up. There are millions of single FSUW you only
need to find one. It's my opinion that this particular one out of millions
isn't interested enough and that your efforts would be better utilized
pursuing someone else.
Good luck
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1. The girl goes totally AWOL, huge red flag.
How important is it that she must be ready to reach 24/7 when her work life takes most of her life and her private life is thereby important but of less concern? Why do you expect her to be 100% ready 24/7 to a stranger? We are not aware now how deeply she feels about Bones at this point. What entitlement is that?
I didn't say that she needs to be reached 24/7 did I?
She goes AWOL, (probably getting deep drilled by a local yokel)
for long periods of time. Go to Mamba and write any FSUW and
ask her about the behavior. 100% would describe it as negative.
hey Bones, can you read and comprehend that? :-*
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I will once again repeat myself. I NEVER once said nor implied that I expected her to be 100% ready 24/7 to me. Where did you read this? Secondly, please tell me why I can't coordinate a meeting if she cannot commit to a time for her to meet me? (for a second time) How is this my fault? I can't force her. I merely asked for an opinion of this forum (FSU woman) as to why she does not write during her trips - nothing more.
You cannot coordinate a meeting because she's not interested!
You wanted a female opinion and you got it up thread. Here it is again.
I certainly need a woman’s’ point of view on my situation. I’m confused. I’ve been communicating with a lady from Kiev for a long while and during this time we’ve been unable to coordinate a time for meeting. Probably due to the fact she is a doctor-Immunologist and very busy. Calls must be prearranged. I’ve no problem with going to Kiev. During this time I’ve also learned to be careful in regards to her privacy – she’s very careful. She writes nearly every day but says little and it is an effort to engage in deeper conversation. What little she says lets me know she is interested but… She loves that I send flowers and gifts (with photo). (1) Anyway my question is in regards to her business trips. She tells me when she is going and will write when she returns – which lasts several weeks and I never know how long it will be. Then after I give up and move on she returns and writes me. During this time she is absent from the dating site. (2) I wonder why she cannot write during her business trips and if I should call her during her business trips? (3) Should I continue to respect her boundaries by not calling her during this time? I’m very interested in her and her fine qualities but things are moving along like that of a glacier. Tentatively we spoke of meeting this May. (4) I wonder if I am being tested. It’s either respect her privacy or get more assertive and risk alienating her. Otherwise I’m patient and I suppose I could wait while pursuing other possibilities – which I have been.
Hi Bones
There aren't many females around and myself i haven't posted in a while, but i'll try my best. If you were my real life friend, or my cousin, i'd tell you: hope for the best, prepare for the worst. Of course it could be that she is working on some gvmnt funded/ top secret projects. It could be there's no internet where she is (during trips). All of that could be, but chances are small. It could also be that agency is making money on those flowers and gifts. Maybe it's not even her writing those letters (worst case scenario.) BEFORE meeting in real life, being you, i wouldn't invest into this "relationship", neither morally nor materially.
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Ok but what kind of interest is missing here?
I know the emotional one but that one takes time and effort.
So she is on a business trip and she informs Bones of going? Then after she comes back there she is again. That is so far the interest so AWOL is only in periods.
Being assertive and a man here should work in getting the time.
How are you communicating with this girl Bones?
You are using Western standards on an Eastern woman. There is a famous
line going around the forums dating back to when the iron curtain fell.
"If an FSUW is interested in you, you will know"
It's my contention that is the standard. If you aren't getting the attentive
FSUW treatment then you need to move on, because the next one will give
you the attentive FSUW treatment.
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I am just trying understand why she gets red flags so easily out of the gate for having a busy lifestyle to a stranger she has not meet in person or have special feelings for if she has.
She is properly too busy on a business trip to care for her private life and you as it is.
An international marriage is difficult. It takes a lot of time, money, AND effort
by everyone involved. That girl isn't interested enough to put in the required
effort.
This is it in a nutshell. Why would anyone waste time, money and psychic energy on a woman who is clearly not interested? It's a Western man disease and it has to do with the knight on the white horse fantasy. :coffeeread:
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Ok but what kind of interest is missing here?
I know the emotional one but that one takes time and effort.
So she is on a business trip and she informs Bones of going? Then after she comes back there she is again. That is so far the interest so AWOL is only in periods.
Being assertive and a man here should work in getting the time.
How are you communicating with this girl Bones?
You are using Western standards on an Eastern woman. There is a famous
line going around the forums dating back to when the iron curtain fell.
"If an FSUW is interested in you, you will know"
It's my contention that is the standard. If you aren't getting the attentive
FSUW treatment then you need to move on, because the next one will give
you the attentive FSUW treatment.
Perhaps you're right Popka. (sigh)
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Perhaps you're right Popka. (sigh)
I've invested a lot of time, energy, effort and emotions into developing an
online relationship with an FSUW (more than once) and at the end of the
day after meeting in person, it didn't work out. There is almost always a
desire to salvage the relationship somehow, but it only delays the inevitable.
In my opinion the best thing to do is to move on. I realize that's far easier
to say than to do. The English lads will be waking up in a few hours and they
can contribute their opinions as well.
I wish you luck,
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Ok but what kind of interest is missing here?
I know the emotional one but that one takes time and effort.
So she is on a business trip and she informs Bones of going? Then after she comes back there she is again. That is so far the interest so AWOL is only in periods.
Being assertive and a man here should work in getting the time.
How are you communicating with this girl Bones?
Thank you for your respectful opinion. You are correct in that she has always informed me of all her impending business trips and always returns. However I neglected to mention one salient point to everyone that may make a difference - she happens to be doctor/Immunologist and she has mentioned other hospitals like in Lvov for her trips so we both have some commonality as I work in the health field as well. But she did make it clear about getting too personal in our letters. Yet I wonder why she can't write or say when she'll return.
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I'm going with the "you're being played" crowd.
Time to move on.
All has been said that has to be said by others.
If a woman is really interested, she will find ways to communicate. Having not even a phone for SMS/whatsapp/whatever is almost nigh-existant in Russia. They will have no food, rags for clothes but they will have a smartphone.
Mark.
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Ok but what kind of interest is missing here?
I know the emotional one but that one takes time and effort.
So she is on a business trip and she informs Bones of going? Then after she comes back there she is again. That is so far the interest so AWOL is only in periods.
Being assertive and a man here should work in getting the time.
How are you communicating with this girl Bones?
Thank you for your respectful opinion. You are correct in that she has always informed me of all her impending business trips and always returns. However I neglected to mention one salient point to everyone that may make a difference - she happens to be doctor/Immunologist and she has mentioned other hospitals like in Lvov for her trips so we both have some commonality as I work in the health field as well. But she did make it clear about getting too personal in our letters. Yet I wonder why she can't write or say when she'll return.
Maybe there is not a specific date on the return.
Maybe you matter too little when she is on a business trip.
Maybe its part of the not getting too personal rules she has set up.
Maybe its still too private for anyone else for her reasons.
Maybe she does not think it matters as she will be in touch when she get back.
5 maybes and I might be right but have you asked her why?
That is what I mean by too much speculation not needed as you know she will write when she comes back and you expect it too.
But Bones how are you communicating? What method? Skype? Have you suggested that to her if you are not doing that?
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Ok but what kind of interest is missing here?
I know the emotional one but that one takes time and effort.
So she is on a business trip and she informs Bones of going? Then after she comes back there she is again. That is so far the interest so AWOL is only in periods.
Being assertive and a man here should work in getting the time.
How are you communicating with this girl Bones?
Thank you for your respectful opinion. You are correct in that she has always informed me of all her impending business trips and always returns. However I neglected to mention one salient point to everyone that may make a difference - she happens to be doctor/Immunologist and she has mentioned other hospitals like in Lvov for her trips so we both have some commonality as I work in the health field as well. But she did make it clear about getting too personal in our letters. Yet I wonder why she can't write or say when she'll return.
:prophead:
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I'm going with the "you're being played" crowd.
Time to move on.
All has been said that has to be said by others.
If a woman is really interested, she will find ways to communicate. Having not even a phone for SMS/whatsapp/whatever is almost nigh-existant in Russia. They will have no food, rags for clothes but they will have a smartphone.
Mark.
He's not only being played, he's the one playing himself at this point. I can't imagine putting up with several months of such nonsense, but a whole year? :drunk:
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Maybe there is not a specific date on the return.
Maybe you matter too little when she is on a business trip.
Maybe its part of the not getting too personal rules she has set up.
Maybe its still too private for anyone else for her reasons.
Maybe she does not think it matters as she will be in touch when she get back.
5 maybes and I might be right but have you asked her why?
That is what I mean by too much speculation not needed as you know she will write when she comes back and you expect it too.
But Bones how are you communicating? What method? Skype? Have you suggested that to her if you are not doing that?
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Well it's impossible to explain the entire sequence of the past year but you make valid points. We write every day, talk on phone. We have had good conversations. She is very intelligent and educated. But she does not want to Skype. If I had not become ill in Kiev last summer who knows? I tried the laid back approach already. This relationship is important to me which is why I am here and tolerating comments of a troubled man here on the forum. However to explain that I am not stupid and naïve to everyone here - and unlike this troubled man in this forum I have been to many places in the world unrelated to romance over many years - over 8 countries more times than I can remember. I personally witnessed the Orange Revolution in Kiev way back when, toured a morgue in Chisinau, drugged and robbed in Sumy, watched the setting sun in Severodvinsk with a wonderful woman who would later be my fiancée but tragically lost to cancer, sharing a train cabin from Saratov to Moscow with 2 Russian Colonels & 3 bottles of vodka, got puked on by a drunk Russian on a bus in Chelyabinsk and watched with amusement as babushka beat him with her cane, I have made friends in Kiev and Moscow that I still talk to, went tandem parasailing in Tunis with a panicky girl that soiled both herself and me, been north, south, east and west of Russia, Ukraine too, Ireland, Lithuania where I saw my first castle and 2 lonely graves of 2 German soldiers of WW1 near Visaginias, beautifully glistening wet tile roofs of Prague, careening about Tomsk with a drunk Russian and his Ural motorcycle/side car, visited more museums and theaters than I can remember in places such as Moscow, Kazan, Voronezh, Donetsk, Kharkov, St. Petersburg where I physically touched a painting by Picasso (Woman Drinking Absinth) etc. etc, where discovered that I was with an underage girl in Novorossiysk (6 foot tall!), got wonderfully drunk and danced in a nightclub in a Stephen King type hotel near Miass Russia where I met a doppelganger of Rodney Dangerfield who was just as funny, pulled onto a wedding party boat in Kazan & danced drank and ate for free because of my moustache(?), Hell, I have so many more memories to share but there is no room or time here but you see my point. You see, I have life experiences but yet, like everyone here, the heart of a woman still baffles me. Compared to this I can easily tolerate the childish drivel that at times found on forums such as this. Forums cannot succeed without mutual respect, kindness, and the desire to help. As for the skeptical? I don't care. I'm here to learn and help if I can.
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You are using Western standards on an Eastern woman. There is a famous
line going around the forums dating back to when the iron curtain fell.
"If an FSUW is interested in you, you will know"
It's my contention that is the standard. If you aren't getting the attentive
FSUW treatment then you need to move on, because the next one will give
you the attentive FSUW treatment.
Hey Bones, gotta agree with Popka on this one, she definately is not into you or you would know.
But... there could be a reason for this, maybe she is the one who is thinking that she is being played because of the non meeting in Kiev. You know you were sick but is there a chance that in the back of her mind she is wondering if you just didn't have the time to meet up with her because you were busy with another girl/girls? That could explain why she is talking to you yet does not seem too excited about meeting you. Just something to think about....
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You are using Western standards on an Eastern woman. There is a famous
line going around the forums dating back to when the iron curtain fell.
"If an FSUW is interested in you, you will know"
It's my contention that is the standard. If you aren't getting the attentive
FSUW treatment then you need to move on, because the next one will give
you the attentive FSUW treatment.
Hey Bones, gotta agree with Popka on this one, she definately is not into you or you would know.
But... there could be a reason for this, maybe she is the one who is thinking that she is being played because of the non meeting in Kiev. You know you were sick but is there a chance that in the back of her mind she is wondering if you just didn't have the time to meet up with her because you were busy with another girl/girls? That could explain why she is talking to you yet does not seem too excited about meeting you. Just something to think about....
Nah. He's like a back-up to a back-up plan. She's not remotely interested in this doofus. She won't even skype with him. He's a back-up in case she decides she wants a mule to get a green card in the USA and financial support along the way.
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!!! Good point. Didn't see it that way. Thanks.
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Hey Bones, gotta agree with Popka on this one, she definately is not into you or you would know.
But... there could be a reason for this, maybe she is the one who is thinking that she is being played because of the non meeting in Kiev. You know you were sick but is there a chance that in the back of her mind she is wondering if you just didn't have the time to meet up with her because you were busy with another girl/girls? That could explain why she is talking to you yet does not seem too excited about meeting you. Just something to think about....
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!!! Good point. Didn't see it that way. Thanks d672
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You are using Western standards on an Eastern woman. There is a famous
line going around the forums dating back to when the iron curtain fell.
"If an FSUW is interested in you, you will know"
It's my contention that is the standard. If you aren't getting the attentive
FSUW treatment then you need to move on, because the next one will give
you the attentive FSUW treatment.
Hey Bones, gotta agree with Popka on this one, she definately is not into you or you would know.
But.......
No buts, d672. It's like giving alcohol to an alcoholic with this one. :sick0012:
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Confed, I talked to my wife almost every day for 3 months before I flew to Ukraine to meet her. When I got there she told me something that surprised me... she was not really 100% sure if I was really coming until she saw me walking up to her at the airport. Even though I showed her my flight itinerary as soon as I bought the ticket, told her to line up an apartment in Kiev, etc. Some girls just need to see action, not just hear words.
If Bones's lady got all excited about meeting him then was disappointed when he told her he could not because he was sick it could have blown all the wind out of her sails, and make her believe he was not serious about her. So why should she be serious about him until he actually is standing in front of her? I can only go by what Bones said here about her, but nothing tells me that she is playing him. Just trying to see things from both sides of the story.
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Hey Bones, gotta agree with Popka on this one, she definately is not into you or you would know.
But... there could be a reason for this, maybe she is the one who is thinking that she is being played because of the non meeting in Kiev. You know you were sick but is there a chance that in the back of her mind she is wondering if you just didn't have the time to meet up with her because you were busy with another girl/girls? That could explain why she is talking to you yet does not seem too excited about meeting you. Just something to think about....
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Bones, regular FSU person is generally more distant and reserved than her/his Western counterpart. The more they are educated, the more it's so. They don't trust strangers, and for a reason. They don't open up easily.
Some questions arise, and knowing FSU mentality, i bet they are along the following lines: why you choose her out of all other girls?
You don't know her, haven't spoken extensively, have never met, why her? Is it her pictures, her voice? Is it her profession? On Russian speaking internet there are warnings all over - that guys who aim to marry only doctors are probably in huge financial depth and are looking for a wife to pay it off. (Of course, they don't know that to evaluate a dr's diploma is costly and timely and actually very few continue working as doctors in the USA)
You are travelling extensively in the FSU, and it's a red flag for FSUW - the second thought she might have is that you are a "sex tourist". I know of some departed members who on this forum used to write pages and pages of their romantic quest, it all came across quite touchy -feely, you'd start keeping your fingers crossed for the guy to conquer the evil fate and finally meet his princess...
Alas, ladies from these circles simply called him "sex tourist", all there. And from FSUW point of view, they were right.
(And he was right for himself too, mileages differ.)
I am sorry you fell sick in Ukraine. I wouldn't trust you either.
It goes so, that we mostly discuss ladies' behavior, but what about you.
There's always two sides of the story.
True, chances are she's playing you for one reason or another. But it could beyou got really, really lucky and have met a serious, normal person.
In that case, her behavior is NORMAL. She's signalling she could be mildly interested in you. She might give you a chance. If you really stumbled upon the golden mine - jump on it.
I think there are two ways to proceed from here:
1. Sending flowers from time to time doesn't cost all that much. Respect her boundaries and see what happens when you meet.
2. (What i would do, being you) hire someone to do background check on her. Where i am, cousins, neighbors and colleagues do that for you traditionally, they ask around about the person, is he/she healthy/ working/ normal and so on. In other countries, bigger than mine, people hire someone to do that. I'd do that, being you.
If she knows your full name and address, she probably ran such a check on you already. She probably googled your house too. If she's intelligent (and we hope she is) she wouldn't consider relocating without having at least some certainty.
In my view, it's crucial to find out whether she really works as an immunologist. (Not if she's one by education.) If she does, then chances are what i wrote above is true and she doesn't do shifts on other kinds of sites (btw, Steveboy wasn't joking.)
See, escorts earn a lot, and was she working as an escort, she wouldn't bother to do the hard, honorable and underpaid work of an doctor in Ukraine.
Check on that and then we'll see.
Btw, not a single guy here wishes you evil, i do hope you realize that. They are not romance writers, they are real Westerners who managed to find what they were looking for. Guess from their advise through how many disappointments they all were, BEFORE meeting THE ONE. They want to spare you the pain, the disappointment and the unnecessary spending. Unlike them, being an Eastern European female, i know that people do not learn from other people's mistakes, no matter how much those other people would want them to.
So, here you have exactly what you've asked for. If you say one word more against this forum and my friends who replied to you before me, i'll take it as a personal offense.
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Btw, not a single guy here wishes you evil, i do hope you realize that.
So, here you have exactly what you've asked for. If you say one word more against this forum and my friends who replied to you before me, i'll take it as a personal offense.
As, I have certain members - who's dating habits and 'advice' on romance - let alone opinions on politics - are somewhat bizarre- I can only guess who might be 'defending' .
That is probably why the part of your post I have quoted makes no sense to me :)
I've stayed off this thread as I'm not even a lady .... all I will say
Bones: You struck gold with Volshe's advice and good luck
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I have stopped talking to women, it is a quick way to break their trust. I have had multiple instances where i don't respond to a girl for over a month, get back into contact with them, and they are blunt. You know the funny part? I tell them i am going to city x, whilst they live in city y, and without me saying anything they offer to come visit me. I then offer to pay for their tickets and they decline, saying they won't take money from me. My point here is that these women won't emotionally invest into me, but are willing to meet up,and put their money into seeing me.
My first russian girl who i dated, 8cm taller than me, worked in fashion modelling shows (Amatuer), used to spy on my dating profile. I tried to sweet talk her online, but she didn't have any of it. She grilled me on my use of a dating site, whilst trying to suck up to her. I told her she was probably chatting to other guys, so it didn't matter (When we met, i saw her profile, all unopened messages). She did not invest a lot of time into messaging me, a few pictures here and there, we tried a phonecall once but line was bad. Regards to the meetup, she spent 26 hours by train (hated plane), to come to moscow to see a guy who to be frankly, i wouldn't have done the same in her shoes. She didn't take money from my tickets, when we met, she brought me a bag of shopping. Hated when i bought her gifts, said stuff like "only spend money on me if we get married". Her mum picked us up from the airport, found me a 2 bedroom house which i paid $7 a day (a lot cheaper than airbnb). SHe wanted to take time off work to be with me, but i declined, i wanted her to do well in her new job in the bank. She would buy pastries for us in the morning, each weekend we would go to the mountains, hotsprings, quad biking, she would take me to see her aunts, grandmother, and meet her friends. When the swine flu hit russia, she warned me, bought me meds, got me face masks, wrapped me up warm, and took care of me when i got a bit of the flu. What is my point? a woman does not need to invest her soul to you before she meets, once you meet however, you can judge easily how into you, she actually is.
It is true, fsuw don't open up easily, break their trust and it is hard to shake off. I been down this road a few times, even with my ex. My best advice, go see her, and other women in the area. Don't get results focused, enjoy the process and have fun.
In my view, it's crucial to find out whether she really works as an immunologist. (Not if she's one by education.) If she does, then chances are what i wrote above is true and she doesn't do shifts on other kinds of sites (btw, Steveboy wasn't joking.)
See, escorts earn a lot, and was she working as an escort, she wouldn't bother to do the hard, honorable and underpaid work of an doctor in Ukraine.
Check on that and then we'll see.
Oh lord....... are we assuming the girl OP's is talking to is an escort now? There are lots of reasons why she is not talking to OP, and much BETTER one, is that the person OP is talking to might already have some sort of relationship with a local man. You should know this better than anyone else...... We simply do not know the situation. For me it sounds like something i wouldn't put my hopes into, but it is your choice. Only worry is the emotional damage it may have on you, if you are a big boy, go and do it, Get crushed and just go date some other women.
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The website in question is not a pay per view/pay by the letter site. As everyone here knows, these sites have a awful reputation for writing fiction.
There is nothing wrong with living by fiction. Over time we have seen a number of posters do exactly this.
Sort of like believing politicians and business 'leaders' promises.
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The website in question is not a pay per view/pay by the letter site. As everyone here knows, these sites have a awful reputation for writing fiction.
There is nothing wrong with living by fiction. Over time we have seen a number of posters do exactly this.
Sort of like believing politicians and business 'leaders' promises.
I do know that i per one live of fiction literally ;D
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For me it sounds like something i wouldn't put my hopes into, but it is your choice. Only worry is the emotional damage it may have on you, if you are a big boy, go and do it, Get crushed and just go date some other women.
Look, yesterday i read an old thread where to myself i had agreed with you, and disagreed with almost everyone else. It's about the Leningrad band and their video and the girl/ actress ( На лабутенах).
No one Russian speaking, or from Eastern Europe for that matter, who is in their right mind, would for a second think that the actress is portraying a gold-digger. She's a regular, normal young woman, excited to go on a date.
Someone mentioned she was thinking of marriage. Of course she was - such is the society, such is tradition and she is probably at "respected age" of 19-22 max.
Guys wrote she is going above her league. No she isn't. Her granma (as mother puts it) survived Seige of Leningrad. That between the lines means she grew up in her own (inhereted from granma's) flat somewhere in a decent part of St. Petersburg, with help of the assistance the grandmother was getting.
Her mother is not "шалава", it's obvious, the mother is a normal, typical FSU / Jewish mother.
THE GUY. What all of you missed is that the guy is as close as possible to the Russian ideal man: высокий, молчаливый блондин (на белой лошади)/ insert car of your desire instead of the white horse.
My point is that sometimes our guys from the forum can miss some subtext which is simply unavailable if you are not fluent in the language and don't know the realities, having lived there.
Sometimes, you personally are right just because you are comparatively younger than most of the guys on the forum (judging by your avvy) and thus more innocent.
You are dating the generation of their hypothetical daughters. I am glad you are not bitter, seriously.
The thing is that OP is probably after the mother of your 18-19y old gf. (18+18 app.) Her own mother can't pick up anyone from the airport because that generation didn't drive cars.
The generation who is now in their mid 30ies and older, firmly believes a man cares about her IF he invests time, effort and money into the relationship. In my view, they are right. What's predominant opinion in the West - it's a western thing. Man has to be "generous", especially in конфетно букетный период.
The mother of your gf has to think how to support the whims of her spoiled daughter who is still too young to understand things that come with time. The mother of your gf has to think of her own mother, who most probably needs meds and care (all costs). She can't be careless, she won't pay tickets just to have fun with someone who has 6 pack. :)
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Btw, those of you, guys, who advise the OP to rent a flat and date girls from Mamba... Are you sure he is charismatic, entertaining and fun enough for "100 attractive girls" to meet him? Do you realize many of those girls from Mamba ask money in advance for a date? (Btw, stick to VKontakte, it's not a guarantee, but still your best bet.)
That course has worked for AJ from this forum, but for goodness sake, have you seen his looks? The guy is absolutely amazing! And, having talked to him in chat here, i can attest - a wonderful person too. Of course it worked for him, and it will work for anyone who is good looking, comparatively young, healthy, educated and charismatic. Why it wouldn't?
To anyone who is NOT like that, it's equal to advising to a shorter than 175cm, bigger than 50kg and/or older than 25y old - go to NYC, you'll make it as a model.
She might, if her godfather owns the controlling interest of Condé Nast, or if she's a celebrity already due to parent's wealth (many of them trotting fashion shows, albeit they don't really look like models.) It's exceptions and still, the minority. A regular girl moving to NYC is better of having at least 10.000 usd to begin with, an education she can find work with and a place to stay. Same with majority of the guys looking for FSUW (in my humble opinion.)
Trust in God, but tie your camel.
Something like this V V V
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Confed, I talked to my wife almost every day for 3 months before I flew to Ukraine to meet her. When I got there she told me something that surprised me... she was not really 100% sure if I was really coming until she saw me walking up to her at the airport. Even though I showed her my flight itinerary as soon as I bought the ticket, told her to line up an apartment in Kiev, etc. Some girls just need to see action, not just hear words.
If Bones's lady got all excited about meeting him then was disappointed when he told her he could not because he was sick it could have blown all the wind out of her sails, and make her believe he was not serious about her. So why should she be serious about him until he actually is standing in front of her? I can only go by what Bones said here about her, but nothing tells me that she is playing him. Just trying to see things from both sides of the story.
You are a normal functioning man and your wife a normal functioning woman. Did you string her out (or her you) for an entire year prior to meeting and go on a forum asking for advice when it was apparent she just wasn't in to you?
When I think of this character I think of the bumbling detective in the Pink Panther movie series. He only succeeds in the end because it was written into the script. :laugh:
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For me it sounds like something i wouldn't put my hopes into, but it is your choice. Only worry is the emotional damage it may have on you, if you are a big boy, go and do it, Get crushed and just go date some other women.
Look, yesterday i read an old thread where to myself i had agreed with you, and disagreed with almost everyone else. It's about the Leningrad band and their video and the girl/ actress ( На лабутенах).
No one Russian speaking, or from Eastern Europe for that matter, who is in their right mind, would for a second think that the actress is portraying a gold-digger. She's a regular, normal young woman, excited to go on a date.
Someone mentioned she was thinking of marriage. Of course she was - such is the society, such is tradition and she is probably at "respected age" of 19-22 max.
Guys wrote she is going above her league. No she isn't. Her granma (as mother puts it) survived Seige of Leningrad. That between the lines means she grew up in her own (inhereted from granma's) flat somewhere in a decent part of St. Petersburg, with help of the assistance the grandmother was getting.
Her mother is not "шалава", it's obvious, the mother is a normal, typical FSU / Jewish mother.
Are you referring to this thread? :)
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,26329.msg458345.html#msg458345
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Confed, I talked to my wife almost every day for 3 months before I flew to Ukraine to meet her. When I got there she told me something that surprised me... she was not really 100% sure if I was really coming until she saw me walking up to her at the airport. Even though I showed her my flight itinerary as soon as I bought the ticket, told her to line up an apartment in Kiev, etc. Some girls just need to see action, not just hear words.
If Bones's lady got all excited about meeting him then was disappointed when he told her he could not because he was sick it could have blown all the wind out of her sails, and make her believe he was not serious about her. So why should she be serious about him until he actually is standing in front of her? I can only go by what Bones said here about her, but nothing tells me that she is playing him. Just trying to see things from both sides of the story.
You are a normal functioning man and your wife a normal functioning woman. Did you string her out (or her you) for an entire year prior to meeting and go on a forum asking for advice when it was apparent she just wasn't in to you?
When I think of this character I think of the bumbling detective in the Pink Panther movie series. He only succeeds in the end because it was written into the script. :laugh:
I just saw the movie once again very recently, LOVE IT! ;D
:-X Don't listen to d672, he is an angel. Seriously. I cyber-know him. What applies to us, mortals, does not apply to him. He is seriously one of the kindest, nicest and wittiest people you can imagine. (And he looks good too ;D )
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Confed, I talked to my wife almost every day for 3 months before I flew to Ukraine to meet her. When I got there she told me something that surprised me... she was not really 100% sure if I was really coming until she saw me walking up to her at the airport. Even though I showed her my flight itinerary as soon as I bought the ticket, told her to line up an apartment in Kiev, etc. Some girls just need to see action, not just hear words.
If Bones's lady got all excited about meeting him then was disappointed when he told her he could not because he was sick it could have blown all the wind out of her sails, and make her believe he was not serious about her. So why should she be serious about him until he actually is standing in front of her? I can only go by what Bones said here about her, but nothing tells me that she is playing him. Just trying to see things from both sides of the story.
You are a normal functioning man and your wife a normal functioning woman. Did you string her out (or her you) for an entire year prior to meeting and go on a forum asking for advice when it was apparent she just wasn't in to you?
When I think of this character I think of the bumbling detective in the Pink Panther movie series. He only succeeds in the end because it was written into the script. :laugh:
I just saw the movie once again very recently, LOVE IT! ;D
:-X Don't listen to d672, he is an angel. Seriously. I cyber-know him. What applies to us, mortals, does not apply to him. He is seriously one of the kindest, nicest and wittiest people you can imagine. (And he looks good too ;D )
Yes d672 is all of those things. The Bones character is the bumbling detective Clouseau. :laugh:
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For me it sounds like something i wouldn't put my hopes into, but it is your choice. Only worry is the emotional damage it may have on you, if you are a big boy, go and do it, Get crushed and just go date some other women.
Look, yesterday i read an old thread where to myself i had agreed with you, and disagreed with almost everyone else. It's about the Leningrad band and their video and the girl/ actress ( На лабутенах).
No one Russian speaking, or from Eastern Europe for that matter, who is in their right mind, would for a second think that the actress is portraying a gold-digger. She's a regular, normal young woman, excited to go on a date.
Someone mentioned she was thinking of marriage. Of course she was - such is the society, such is tradition and she is probably at "respected age" of 19-22 max.
Guys wrote she is going above her league. No she isn't. Her granma (as mother puts it) survived Seige of Leningrad. That between the lines means she grew up in her own (inhereted from granma's) flat somewhere in a decent part of St. Petersburg, with help of the assistance the grandmother was getting.
Her mother is not "шалава", it's obvious, the mother is a normal, typical FSU / Jewish mother.
Are you referring to this thread? :)
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,26329.msg458345.html#msg458345
Thank you, Confederate. Yes, that's the one. Don't kill me, please. My family, my pets, my entire nation and contemporary literature would suffer if you do. :snivel:
p.s. oh, well, probably only my pets would miss me, but still... :innocent:
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Yes d672 is all of those things.
Yes! I am glad we agree! ;D
The Bones character is the bumbling detective Clouseau. :laugh:
I don't know him :innocent: Anyways, as you say, that detective fared quite well at the end, we hope Bones does too ;)
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Yes d672 is all of those things.
Yes! I am glad we agree! ;D
The Bones character is the bumbling detective Clouseau. :laugh:
I don't know him :innocent: Anyways, as you say, that detective fared quite well at the end, we hope Bones does too ;)
This is Clouseau, pure comedy gold, British style mocking of foreign accents!
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For me it sounds like something i wouldn't put my hopes into, but it is your choice. Only worry is the emotional damage it may have on you, if you are a big boy, go and do it, Get crushed and just go date some other women.
Look, yesterday i read an old thread where to myself i had agreed with you, and disagreed with almost everyone else. It's about the Leningrad band and their video and the girl/ actress ( На лабутенах).
No one Russian speaking, or from Eastern Europe for that matter, who is in their right mind, would for a second think that the actress is portraying a gold-digger. She's a regular, normal young woman, excited to go on a date.
Someone mentioned she was thinking of marriage. Of course she was - such is the society, such is tradition and she is probably at "respected age" of 19-22 max.
Guys wrote she is going above her league. No she isn't. Her granma (as mother puts it) survived Seige of Leningrad. That between the lines means she grew up in her own (inhereted from granma's) flat somewhere in a decent part of St. Petersburg, with help of the assistance the grandmother was getting.
Her mother is not "шалава", it's obvious, the mother is a normal, typical FSU / Jewish mother.
Are you referring to this thread? :)
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,26329.msg458345.html#msg458345
Thank you, Confederate. Yes, that's the one. Don't kill me, please. My family, my pets, my entire nation and contemporary literature would suffer if you do. :snivel:
p.s. oh, well, probably only my pets would miss me, but still... :innocent:
Why would I kill you? I started the thread because I had the same opinion as you! The girl was just a normal girl wanting to get married and have a normal FSU life. Another had said she was "gold digger" and I had disagreed. Maybe a bit of maintenance, but that's normal, no? :king:
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Yes d672 is all of those things.
Yes! I am glad we agree! ;D
The Bones character is the bumbling detective Clouseau. :laugh:
I don't know him :innocent: Anyways, as you say, that detective fared quite well at the end, we hope Bones does too ;)
This is Clouseau, pure comedy gold, British style mocking of foreign accents!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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For me it sounds like something i wouldn't put my hopes into, but it is your choice. Only worry is the emotional damage it may have on you, if you are a big boy, go and do it, Get crushed and just go date some other women.
Look, yesterday i read an old thread where to myself i had agreed with you, and disagreed with almost everyone else. It's about the Leningrad band and their video and the girl/ actress ( На лабутенах).
No one Russian speaking, or from Eastern Europe for that matter, who is in their right mind, would for a second think that the actress is portraying a gold-digger. She's a regular, normal young woman, excited to go on a date.
Someone mentioned she was thinking of marriage. Of course she was - such is the society, such is tradition and she is probably at "respected age" of 19-22 max.
Guys wrote she is going above her league. No she isn't. Her granma (as mother puts it) survived Seige of Leningrad. That between the lines means she grew up in her own (inhereted from granma's) flat somewhere in a decent part of St. Petersburg, with help of the assistance the grandmother was getting.
Her mother is not "шалава", it's obvious, the mother is a normal, typical FSU / Jewish mother.
Are you referring to this thread? :)
http://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,26329.msg458345.html#msg458345
Thank you, Confederate. Yes, that's the one. Don't kill me, please. My family, my pets, my entire nation and contemporary literature would suffer if you do. :snivel:
p.s. oh, well, probably only my pets would miss me, but still... :innocent:
Why would I kill you? I started the thread because I had the same opinion as you! The girl was just a normal girl wanting to get married and have a normal FSU life. Another had said she was "gold digger" and I had disagreed. Maybe a bit of maintenance, but that's normal, no? :king:
I feel relieved!!! Yay! ;D
Of course it's normal! :happygirl1: :KISSSS:
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Yes d672 is all of those things.
Yes! I am glad we agree! ;D
The Bones character is the bumbling detective Clouseau. :laugh:
I don't know him :innocent: Anyways, as you say, that detective fared quite well at the end, we hope Bones does too ;)
This is Clouseau, pure comedy gold, British style mocking of foreign accents!
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Perhaps if France had 1,000 or 10,000 Clouseau's they could save Paris from the current robbers. :chuckle:
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Btw, those of you, guys, who advise the OP to rent a flat and date girls from Mamba... Are you sure he is charismatic, entertaining and fun enough for "100 attractive girls" to meet him? Do you realize many of those girls from Mamba ask money in advance for a date? (Btw, stick to VKontakte, it's not a guarantee, but still your best bet.)
I advised that he write a hundred girls. When I was single even my
dashing and interesting self didn't get a 25% response rate. I suggested
the number because that was large enough for some of them to say yes.
The theory is to meet a girl for coffee and see if you have chemistry before
wasting time exchanging letters. You only ask out a girl a second time if
you think she might be the one.
I've never contacted a girl and had her ask me for money for a date.
I've had a few contact me and make similar suggestions. I've been
contacted for a threesome with her husband but I declined. I have arranged
dates on VK.com too, but later had to explain who every single girl on my
friends list was, agree that there are no guarantees.
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Maxx
You know this post is a TOS violation. You knew that before you posted it.
Do not make posts like this again. Formal warning.
leslied
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Hey Maxx, the drugs that you're getting from the guys in the park? Stop taking them!
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Hey Maxx, the drugs that you're getting from the guys in the park? Stop taking them!
Or take more!
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Hey Maxx, the drugs that you're getting from the guys in the park? Stop taking them!
Or like Rosco said, take more. Wow! what a fruit loop.
We're lucky to have a lady grace our presence here and out of the blue he insults her.
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Hey Maxx, the drugs that you're getting from the guys in the park? Stop taking them!
;D ;D ;D
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Hey Maxx, the drugs that you're getting from the guys in the park? Stop taking them!
Or like Rosco said, take more. Wow! what a fruit loop.
We're lucky to have a lady grace our presence here and out of the blue he insults her.
Thanks, Confederate! Not sure what was this... :biggrin:
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Hey Maxx, the drugs that you're getting from the guys in the park? Stop taking them!
;D ;D ;D
Very glad you have a good sense of humor. Nobody addressed Mr. Blue Balls by name and you can see why. :)
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Hey Maxx, the drugs that you're getting from the guys in the park? Stop taking them!
;D ;D ;D
Very glad you have a good sense of humor. Nobody addressed Mr. Blue Balls by name and you can see why. :)
Thank you, Confederate! Likewise! ;)
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I am glad you agree with me, i know i am right, because women repeat the same thing to me. Comfort and physical attraction, as well as personality. Problem i have with personality is read this
this is a girl who added me randomly on vk
(https://s23.postimg.org/9y22l1lsr/random_girl.png)
(https://s7.postimg.org/dyg403wa3/aaass.png)
I got similar gym bunnies from vk by simply dropping them a message, but she is the only one that contacted me first. For her she flipped when she found out i could speak a bit of russian (voice message), here is where other attributes come into play. But initially my amazing smile did the trick ;)
there is this girl
(https://s17.postimg.org/pda2ip43z/1111.jpg)
(https://s4.postimg.org/4hp5thevx/3333.jpg)
(https://s29.postimg.org/xalbqh2ev/5555555.jpg)
who doubts she will find someone she loves. She cares a lot of physical attributes. Want to buy her affection? Not for sell, believe me. She is rather complex and wants a physical attraction from a man
she thinks this guy is average and better than 90% of men........
https://www.instagram.com/shredbundy/?hl=en
so you can see the bare minimum you need to peak her interest in a man (she is very physically demanding).
I can show some amazing women, that would blow away the guys on here. But no matter what i say , or they say, wouldn't matter. Most of the guys here want a woman to bend to what they have to offer, and if not these are bad women, rather than grow individually. I am just waiting till july , the dating game for me is going to go to a new level ;D My advice to anyone, is to just enjoy the process, because it is a fun one.
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Btw, those of you, guys, who advise the OP to rent a flat and date girls from Mamba... Are you sure he is charismatic, entertaining and fun enough for "100 attractive girls" to meet him? Do you realize many of those girls from Mamba ask money in advance for a date? (Btw, stick to VKontakte, it's not a guarantee, but still your best bet.)
I advised that he write a hundred girls. When I was single even my
dashing and interesting self didn't get a 25% response rate. I suggested
the number because that was large enough for some of them to say yes.
The theory is to meet a girl for coffee and see if you have chemistry before
wasting time exchanging letters. You only ask out a girl a second time if
you think she might be the one.
I've never contacted a girl and had her ask me for money for a date.
I've had a few contact me and make similar suggestions. I've been
contacted for a threesome with her husband but I declined. I have arranged
dates on VK.com too, but later had to explain who every single girl on my
friends list was, agree that there are no guarantees.
I totally agree with all you write. " My dashing and interesting self" - see, that's what i mean (i realize you are joking, but as it's said in these parts - in every joke there's at least half of the truth ;))
You are "dashing and interesting", otherwise it wouldn't have worked for you.
Mamba changed last couple of years, it wasn't like that before. The info i got from "trusted sources" as they say. Yes, i can imagine answering for every single vk friend- who is she? ;D
I am happy it worked for you, seriously. Will pm you something more, if your inbox works. :)
Best,
Lena
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She cares a lot of physical attributes. Want to buy her affection? Not for sell, believe me. She is rather complex and wants a physical attraction from a man
"Fitness is religion", i think Madonna said that :)
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She cares a lot of physical attributes. Want to buy her affection? Not for sell, believe me. She is rather complex and wants a physical attraction from a man
"Fitness is religion", i think Madonna said that :)
Some women don't really go and lift weights. Just have pretty faces, and have similar demands. My ex is now married to a young russian actor, for her physical attraction was somewhat important. But she was more interested in the soul at times. I was deep with her a few times, when she could sense that my emotions were legit, she blossomed and revealed to me her emotions. She was very closed with her feelings though, did not freely express herself. She grew up with interest in modeling, she went to modeling school, wanted to go to Moscow, but her dad knew what models got pressured to do there. So instead she modeled clothes on instagram, and sold them online. One of her dreams was to open a clothes store. You can really get a sense of what women want from a man, when you look at what they want for themselves in life. She wanted me to live with her in russia, she had her own apartment fitted with £3k kitchen, but we planned on buying a small house in her city and starting a family there. I was just a very hesitant guy, and wasn't sure if i could trust myself to get married and it working out. Now i am hesitant if i should take trips to ukraine or russia ;D
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(https://s23.postimg.org/9y22l1lsr/random_girl.png)
I couldn't shag anyone with a white box for a head.......
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(https://s23.postimg.org/9y22l1lsr/random_girl.png)
I couldn't shag anyone with a white box for a head.......
who said anything about a shag? I just simply like taking women out for coffee, to hear them talk about mundane topics :chuckle:
The white box does have problems, makes me wonder i will get my foreplay.
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(https://s23.postimg.org/9y22l1lsr/random_girl.png)
I couldn't shag anyone with a white box for a head.......
who said anything about a shag? I just simply like taking women out for coffee, to hear them talk about mundane topics :chuckle:
The white box does have problems, makes me wonder i will get my foreplay.
I was thinking of The Man With Two Brains when Dr. Hfuhruhurr's wife's brain was transferred in to a Gorilla's body. On being told and looking he said "I couldn't fück a Gorilla..."
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(https://s23.postimg.org/9y22l1lsr/random_girl.png)
I couldn't shag anyone with a white box for a head.......
who said anything about a shag? I just simply like taking women out for coffee, to hear them talk about mundane topics :chuckle:
The white box does have problems, makes me wonder i will get my foreplay.
Reminds me of what i tell the fsuw i talk to. "Please, i am coming to your country for a sincere relationship, don't treat me like a piece of meat. I am looking for love, my heart is fragile,don't use me just for my body". I have no clue why, but they always laugh really hard over the phone, and seem out of breath
In my russains ex case, "oh my god, this is a jooooooooke right? You are joking? Are you really stupid? ".
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(https://s23.postimg.org/9y22l1lsr/random_girl.png)
I couldn't shag anyone with a white box for a head.......
who said anything about a shag? I just simply like taking women out for coffee, to hear them talk about mundane topics :chuckle:
The white box does have problems, makes me wonder i will get my foreplay.
Reminds me of what i tell the fsuw i talk to. "Please, i am coming to your country for a sincere relationship, don't treat me like a piece of meat. I am looking for love, my heart is fragile,don't use me just for my body". I have no clue why, but they always laugh really hard over the phone, and seem out of breath
In my russains ex case, "oh my god, this is a jooooooooke right? You are joking? Are you really stupid? ".
Stupid (Crazy) like a Fox! :laugh:
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(https://s23.postimg.org/9y22l1lsr/random_girl.png)
I couldn't shag anyone with a white box for a head.......
who said anything about a shag? I just simply like taking women out for coffee, to hear them talk about mundane topics :chuckle:
The white box does have problems, makes me wonder i will get my foreplay.
Reminds me of what i tell the fsuw i talk to. "Please, i am coming to your country for a sincere relationship, don't treat me like a piece of meat. I am looking for love, my heart is fragile,don't use me just for my body". I have no clue why, but they always laugh really hard over the phone, and seem out of breath
In my russains ex case, "oh my god, this is a jooooooooke right? You are joking? Are you really stupid? ".
Stupid (Crazy) like a Fox! :laugh:
I remember the US cop show of the same name, with Jack Warden and what I remember as a brown mid-seventies Cadillac Coupe deville 74 or 75....
Arggh, googled, it was a '76, and now I found this site when I need to go to bed!
http://www.imcdb.org (http://www.imcdb.org)
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Stupid (Crazy) like a Fox! :laugh:
2 weeks ago, a girl i was talking to was saying, if you are a sex tourist, you are hiding it really well. She studied psychology and could easily read me. i don't see myself really as a sex tourist. I mean my last trip to Russia, i met one girl, dated her , came back home and still tried to pursue that. but that being said, majority of women i am in contact with, i wouldn't pursue something serious with. i know the type of women i like, but rather than live in a box. I will date casually until the women that i feel is right for me, walks into my life. Recently i was talking with a girl just like that, but i saw we were different people, and cut that off. It was not worth a quick shag for, but luckily i found a new girl, she has her edges, but i love certain things about her. THis is a journey for me.
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My thought is some intelligent observations have been made earlier that our hero does not really want to hear. When I read Bones I thought of the Pink Panther and then the TV series, but I suspect you are closer to ‘Bones’ of Star Trek. Dr. ‘Bones’ McCoy stating; "Damn it, what the hell is the matter with you?”
But I am not a woman, so perhaps you can take my observations with a grain of salt.
I certainly need a woman’s’ point of view on my situation. I’m confused. I’ve been communicating with a lady from Kiev for a long while and during this time we’ve been unable to coordinate a time for meeting. Probably due to the fact she is a doctor-Immunologist and very busy. Calls must be prearranged. I’ve no problem with going to Kiev. During this time, I’ve also learned to be careful in regards to her privacy – she’s very careful. She writes nearly every day but says little and it is an effort to engage in deeper conversation. What little she says lets me know she is interested but… She loves that I send flowers and gifts (with photo). (1) Anyway my question is in regards to her business trips. She tells me when she is going and will write when she returns – which lasts several weeks and I never know how long it will be. Then after I give up and move on she returns and writes me. During this time she is absent from the dating site. (2) I wonder why she cannot write during her business trips and if I should call her during her business trips? (3) Should I continue to respect her boundaries by not calling her during this time? I’m very interested in her and her fine qualities but things are moving along like that of a glacier. Tentatively we spoke of meeting this May. (4) I wonder if I am being tested. It’s either respect her privacy or get more assertive and risk alienating her. Otherwise I’m patient and I suppose I could wait while pursuing other possibilities – which I have been.
Going to your first post there are some incongruities that defy what I have observed in Ukraine.
Yes, women around the world tend to be private and value their privacy, especially with someone they have never met. BUT a doctor who is an immunologist generally does not have on calls & works a 9 to 5 hour day. It is unlikely such a doctor in a hospital in Ukraine is making extensive trips to congresses and conferences abroad. The budget for this sort of luxury is not available in a typical Ukraine hospital or even a profit driven private clinic in Kiev.
There is the possibility that she works for a drug manufacturer but trips would most likely be short and only a few per year.
Thanks all. Yes, she knows I exist. I had hoped I had made myself clear so I'll repeat - I believe I wrote in my earlier post that I have her number and we have talked. I dealt with her thru 3rd parties and got many photos of her this way. Also the agency does not have any part in our emails, yes I wrote that I have already been to Kiev to meet her but I became seriously ill while I was there & so I could only speak with her on the phone. Also I have good friends there & have been to Kiev many times in the past so I have no trouble going there - it is a matter of coordinating a time with her job. We separated for awhile and began again. 'Confederate' please understand that I am not a newbie, I have traveled extensively through the years, probably more than most here. I have a good understanding of agencies already. My only concern is trying to understand the mind & thinking of women of the FSU and the mystery of her business trips. . .
One common trait of Ukraine women is they are hypochondriacs. (I suspect it is genetic.) You travelled to Kiev to meet her and became sick, if she knew of your trip and planned meeting. Than with the onset of illness than she would have poured attention over you and numerous pills and medication into you.
My own feeling while on the adventure side you have had a rich life on the relationship side Bones you have little in common sense, past history or success.
Dr. McCoy; I prefer a dose of common sense!