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Title: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: justadude on October 31, 2018, 04:11:51 PM
I bought a ticket for my fiancé to fly to California from Ukraine using CheapoAir.com. I got a nice 2 hop flight with an appropriate layover of a few hours in NY to process her visa. Then I called the next day to arrange for her car to travel with her. Although Ukrainian Airlines was friendly and charged a fee of only $113 JetBlue said the cat cannot fly. Cheapoair cancelled my ticket and charged me a $250 fee, which apparently was generous, since i was just past the 24 hour mark.

I thought this would be a routine matter as so many pets fly these days.

How do I even buy a ticket for this cat? Can I do it through third party booking or do I have to pay the big bucks by booking directly with the airline?
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: Contrarian on October 31, 2018, 04:21:17 PM
I bought a ticket for my fiancé to fly to California from Ukraine using CheapoAir.com. I got a nice 2 hop flight with an appropriate layover of a few hours in NY to process her visa. Then I called the next day to arrange for her car to travel with her. Although Ukrainian Airlines was friendly and charged a fee of only $113 JetBlue said the cat cannot fly. Cheapoair cancelled my ticket and charged me a $250 fee, which apparently was generous, since i was just past the 24 hour mark.

I thought this would be a routine matter as so many pets fly these days.

How do I even buy a ticket for this cat? Can I do it through third party booking or do I have to pay the big bucks by booking directly with the airline?

Doesn’t she have a powerful enough broom? ????????????

Happy Halloween.
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: andrewfi on October 31, 2018, 04:22:34 PM
https://www.certapet.com/jetblue-pet-policy/

https://www.jetblue.com/traveling-together/traveling-with-pets/

You may have been given bad information.
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: AvHdB on October 31, 2018, 05:01:07 PM
I bought a ticket for my fiancé to fly to California from Ukraine using CheapoAir.com. I got a nice 2 hop flight with an appropriate layover of a few hours in NY to process her visa. Then I called the next day to arrange for her car to travel with her. Although Ukrainian Airlines was friendly and charged a fee of only $113 JetBlue said the cat cannot fly. Cheapoair cancelled my ticket and charged me a $250 fee, which apparently was generous, since i was just past the 24 hour mark.

I thought this would be a routine matter as so many pets fly these days.

How do I even buy a ticket for this cat? Can I do it through third party booking or do I have to pay the big bucks by booking directly with the airline?

https://www.certapet.com/jetblue-pet-policy/

https://www.jetblue.com/traveling-together/traveling-with-pets/

You may have been given bad information.


Hopefully you can tell the difference between a car and cat.  :laugh:

Your fiancé needs to organize a so-called pet passport. It records all inoculations and treatments. What is the age of said feline? Most animals you see onboard are flying domestically, where control is less stringent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet_passport

KLM has a long history of transporting animals from the largest to the smaller ones.

It is worth noting a 'few hours' in JFK can be VERY tight. I will assume she departs from JFK as well for the West Coast. The translator can only meet her in general arrival hall. After she checks back in she is on her own after security control.
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: justadude on October 31, 2018, 07:24:18 PM
Hopefully you can tell the difference between a car and cat.  :laugh:


Of course I can. One ends with a "t", the other ends with an "r"!

My fiance took care of all of the readiness. She got the shots and travel documents and kitty visa, as it were.

Thanks, Andrew, for those links. JetBlue told me I cannot add a cat booking because I bought an "interline" ticket, which, apparently, means one ticket including two different airlines. Later the story became there are already 3 pets booked on this flight, with a maximum of 4 allowed. The last slot is a wild card slot, given on a first come, first served basis. The agent talked me out of playing the cat lottery.

I guess my question is this: Can I book a comprehensive trip through a third party organization like justfly.com and get a ticket for the cat?
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: AvHdB on October 31, 2018, 07:41:28 PM
Hopefully you can tell the difference between a car and cat.  :laugh:


Of course I can. One ends with a "t", the other ends with an "r"!

My fiance took care of all of the readiness. She got the shots and travel documents and kitty visa, as it were.

Thanks, Andrew, for those links. JetBlue told me I cannot add a cat booking because I bought an "interline" ticket, which, apparently, means one ticket including two different airlines. Later the story became there are already 3 pets booked on this flight, with a maximum of 4 allowed. The last slot is a wild card slot, given on a first come, first served basis. The agent talked me out of playing the cat lottery.

I guess my question is this: Can I book a comprehensive trip through a third party organization like justfly.com and get a ticket for the cat?

In simple words for this sort of flight think KLM. KBP > AMS > JFK > LAX. Presently the flights are between $ 610 and $ 560 round trip at the end of November to JFK, I doubt adding LAX as a final destination will add that much to the cost.

Curious does the putty kat have an international animal document/passport? Further why are there two stops between KBP and JFK, or was that not clearly indicated?

Here is a KLM link > https://www.klm.com/travel/us_en/prepare_for_travel/travel_planning/pets/index.htm <
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: Lord of the Dance on October 31, 2018, 09:36:39 PM
Maybe get one of those 'emotional support' cards for the cat?  :biggrin:

Seems like that's a pretty easy way to avoid all the messing around. Hell, you could probably get a bomb on a plane if you claimed it was for emotional support.  :laugh:
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: andrewfi on November 01, 2018, 12:17:12 AM
If the story changed then you were being lied to.
If I were you I'd not book flights with complications through an aggregator, at the least, I'd use the airline's own website or call centre.
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: rosco on November 01, 2018, 03:11:22 AM
If the story changed then you were being lied to.
If I were you I'd not book flights with complications through an aggregator, at the least, I'd use the airline's own website or call centre.

This is the one.

You need to deal directly with the airline and avoid a 3rd party making up their own policy. It'll probably cost a bit more but would've saved you $250 from the get go.
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: justadude on November 01, 2018, 06:31:45 AM
It's hard to believe that this could be as complicated as it is. She did some checking and apparently this is the process. Buy a ticket from the first airline if they have space for an animal (there is a max number allowed). Call the second, or next airline and see if they have a ticket with space for an animal. If the answer is no, call the first airline and beg for a refund. So in the year 2018 this is the most efficient way to do it apparently.
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: AvHdB on November 01, 2018, 06:43:46 AM
It's hard to believe that this could be as complicated as it is. She did some checking and apparently this is the process. Buy a ticket from the first airline if they have space for an animal (there is a max number allowed). Call the second, or next airline and see if they have a ticket with space for an animal. If the answer is no, call the first airline and beg for a refund. So in the year 2018 this is the most efficient way to do it apparently.

I am not sure what is so difficult. FLY ONE AIRLINE! Book directly with said airline, think KLM to AMS > JFK perhaps Delta onwards. Book directly with said airline, pay for puttins.

Yes it might cost you a bit more but everything can in fact be done on line.
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: Chris on November 01, 2018, 08:26:25 AM
It's hard to believe that this could be as complicated as it is. She did some checking and apparently this is the process. Buy a ticket from the first airline if they have space for an animal (there is a max number allowed). Call the second, or next airline and see if they have a ticket with space for an animal. If the answer is no, call the first airline and beg for a refund. So in the year 2018 this is the most efficient way to do it apparently.

I am not sure what is so difficult. FLY ONE AIRLINE! Book directly with said airline, think KLM to AMS > JFK perhaps Delta onwards. Book directly with said airline, pay for puttins.

Yes it might cost you a bit more but everything can in fact be done on line.


Also, if you call the said airline they will talk you through it, Lufthansa I have found for one are very good for helping out and working round problems on the phone. But you have to have your act together first, they don't have crystal balls, yet!
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: Contrarian on November 01, 2018, 09:56:17 AM
It's hard to believe that this could be as complicated as it is. She did some checking and apparently this is the process. Buy a ticket from the first airline if they have space for an animal (there is a max number allowed). Call the second, or next airline and see if they have a ticket with space for an animal. If the answer is no, call the first airline and beg for a refund. So in the year 2018 this is the most efficient way to do it apparently.

I am not sure what is so difficult. FLY ONE AIRLINE! Book directly with said airline, think KLM to AMS > JFK perhaps Delta onwards. Book directly with said airline, pay for puttins.

Yes it might cost you a bit more but everything can in fact be done on line.


Also, if you call the said airline they will talk you through it, Lufthansa I have found for one are very good for helping out and working round problems on the phone. But you have to have your act together first, they don't have crystal balls, yet!

Check out their photos of animals flying.

https://m.facebook.com/DeltaPrivateJets/
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: andrewfi on November 01, 2018, 11:02:59 AM
I think that perhaps somebody is trying to cheap out on this, hence the problems.

Here's a tip for you Justadude, take responsibility for stuff. Chances are that you have more money, more experience of traveling intercontinental. Don't leave it to your woman.

Call her up, tell her that you'll sort it out and meet her at the airport where she lands at the USA.

Then get on the web, find who can book her in a through flight and sort out the cat stuff. Be the man she expects and, right now, needs you to be.
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: justadude on November 01, 2018, 02:59:26 PM
I don't think there is one airline that flies all the way.

Yes, cheaping out.

Today I shifted the burden to her. I told her to buy the tickets and I will reimburse her. This is likely more evidence that I am a bad person.
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: AvHdB on November 01, 2018, 03:13:42 PM
I don't think there is one airline that flies all the way.


KLM KBP # 1386 > AMS

KLM AMS # 0643 > JFK

KLM JFK # 5182 > LAX

Note: There is only 110 minutes transfer time at JFK. If I am not mistaken there is a direct flight of KLM from AMS directly to LAX. But I am not a travel agent. Most likely other airlines also offer such flights.

The price is $ 567 taxes included ~ puddy kat fee excluded.
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: Halo on November 01, 2018, 04:53:43 PM
I don't think there is one airline that flies all the way.

Yes, cheaping out.

Today I shifted the burden to her. I told her to buy the tickets and I will reimburse her. This is likely more evidence that I am a bad person.

If you are not trolling and actually did this, and if she still continues to book a flight and come to the US, then you are nothing more than a means to an end.  But she is the same for you, so two peas in a pod at the end of the day.   
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: andrewfi on November 01, 2018, 05:17:43 PM
If she had any expectations that you were a real man she now knows differently.

Why not be honest and tell her to not come, after all, you are not going to be there for her in any real sense.

Be man enough to be honest with her (and yourself). And when you have done that sign up for some therapy sessions to start to sort yourself out - I doubt that you will be able to do it alone.
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: Tom Cat on November 01, 2018, 05:37:30 PM
Having traveled many times to Ukraine and Russia and back, flying to and from Houston during a weekday usually Mondays  can be very reasonably priced.
If she arrived in Houston it's a short flight from California to meet her. Better yet drive there and spend a couple days sighting.  This personal effort on your part will go a long way in  repairing some of the damage you have done.
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: Manny on November 02, 2018, 12:09:30 AM
Yes, cheaping out.

Today I shifted the burden to her. I told her to buy the tickets and I will reimburse her. This is likely more evidence that I am a bad person.

 :o

I think this endeavour isnt for you.

Maybe she and her cat will vanish upon landing and never arrive to you?
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: andrewfi on November 02, 2018, 02:08:54 AM
If you think that your selfishness is evidence that you are a bad person then I'd suggest that you probably are a bad person. You are knowingly acting in a way that makes this woman's life harder. You are playing with her, manipulating her to see how she responds.

This goes beyond mere selfishness. Remember how I referred to your 'home' and life together, as designed by you, as a prison. Well, right now, I think that I was closer to to the truth than I imagined.
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: shakespear on November 02, 2018, 07:47:08 AM
Dude I joined this tread late but I'm about to give you some fatherly advice . . . . . . .

DO NOT MARRY THIS WOMAN WITHOUT A PRE NUP!!!!!

This means you will have to hire her a Russian speaking attorney to represent her
interests.  The document will have to be translated into both English and Cyrillic.

I will be making my LAST $4000 monthly spousal support payment on December 1,
2018.  I've been where you are, done that and have the t-shirt.

Ever seen the tv show "Lost In Space"?  Well consider me the robot flailing my arms
wildly in all directions and screeching the words "Warning - Warning - Danger - Danger"     
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: rosco on November 02, 2018, 11:52:23 AM
I don't think there is one airline that flies all the way.

Yes, cheaping out.

Today I shifted the burden to her. I told her to buy the tickets and I will reimburse her. This is likely more evidence that I am a bad person.

Bzzzz.

This boys on the windup, real people don’t behave like this. Im out.
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: rosco on November 02, 2018, 11:58:03 AM
Dude I joined this tread late but I'm about to give you some fatherly advice . . . . . . .

DO NOT MARRY THIS WOMAN WITHOUT A PRE NUP!!!!!

This means you will have to hire her a Russian speaking attorney to represent her
interests.  The document will have to be translated into both English and Cyrillic.

I will be making my LAST $4000 monthly spousal support payment on December 1,
2018.  I've been where you are, done that and have the t-shirt.

Ever seen the tv show "Lost In Space"?  Well consider me the robot flailing my arms
wildly in all directions and screeching the words "Warning - Warning - Danger - Danger"     

This will be controversial but here goes......

If she has quit her life and given everything for a shot at happiness, I hope she rinses his bank account. He’s bang out of order. Chances are that if she is the angel we think she might be, she’ll simply leave with a broken heart and return home feeling ashamed.
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: andrewfi on November 02, 2018, 12:25:28 PM
I don't think there is one airline that flies all the way.

Yes, cheaping out.

Today I shifted the burden to her. I told her to buy the tickets and I will reimburse her. This is likely more evidence that I am a bad person.



Bzzzz.

This boys on the windup, real people don’t behave like this. Im out.

I don't think there is one airline that flies all the way.

Yes, cheaping out.

Today I shifted the burden to her. I told her to buy the tickets and I will reimburse her. This is likely more evidence that I am a bad person.

Bzzzz.

This boys on the windup, real people don’t behave like this. Im out.

I hope that you are right. Problem is that folks have met and spoken with him. He might well be a real, but very bad, example of the US male.
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: AvHdB on November 02, 2018, 01:00:43 PM
I don't think there is one airline that flies all the way.

There is indeed a KLM flight directly from AMS to LAX nonstop every day ~ KL0601
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: Bruce Lee on November 02, 2018, 01:51:55 PM
This will be controversial but here goes......

If she has quit her life and given everything for a shot at happiness, I hope she rinses his bank account.
Funny you wrote the above, that’s exactly how I’ve felt about this story for weeks, either the blokes a piss taker or a typical dumb ass yank who expected his foreign bird to just turn up boxed and gift wrapped.

Either way, I’m rooting for the gal
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: BillyB on November 02, 2018, 02:01:17 PM
Dude I joined this tread late but I'm about to give you some fatherly advice . . . . . . .

DO NOT MARRY THIS WOMAN WITHOUT A PRE NUP!!!!!

This means you will have to hire her a Russian speaking attorney to represent her
interests.  The document will have to be translated into both English and Cyrillic.

I will be making my LAST $4000 monthly spousal support payment on December 1,
2018.  I've been where you are, done that and have the t-shirt.


A prenup may not help with reducing spousal support. A good attorney for a foreign woman would tell the court his/her client speaks limited English, isn't familiar with the culture and isn't employable.

With marrying a foreign woman, if a guy gets a divorce to her in America, his spousal support would be greater and last longer compared to if he was divorcing an American woman.
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: dcguyusa on November 02, 2018, 05:10:32 PM
I don't think there is one airline that flies all the way.

There is indeed a KLM flight directly from AMS to LAX nonstop every day ~ KL0601

My very first flight that I flew was to LAX in the dead of night.  Not that good of a neighborhood to be wandering at 2 AM.   :-\

Regarding the cat, I suppose that the pet could not be "temporarily given" to a relative back in Ukraine to watch over while you are still assessing life in the US?
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: shakespear on November 03, 2018, 06:57:02 AM
A prenup may not help with reducing spousal support. A good attorney for a foreign woman would tell the court his/her client speaks limited English, isn't familiar with the culture and isn't employable.

With marrying a foreign woman, if a guy gets a divorce to her in America, his spousal support would be greater and last longer compared to if he was divorcing an American woman.

That's why at your expense you get her an attorney that is fluent in Russian and
have the document prepared in both english and cyrillic.

My attorney told me a properly prepared pre nup could have saved me about $200,000
in the divorce settlement according to Ohio law.

The amount and duration of spousal support varies greatly depending on which state
has jurisdiction, her ability to get a job and the income disparity between the parties.
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: ?ManyQuestions? on November 03, 2018, 06:34:00 PM
Dude I joined this tread late but I'm about to give you some fatherly advice . . . . . . .

DO NOT MARRY THIS WOMAN WITHOUT A PRE NUP!!!!!

This means you will have to hire her a Russian speaking attorney to represent her
interests.  The document will have to be translated into both English and Cyrillic.

I will be making my LAST $4000 monthly spousal support payment on December 1,
2018
.  I've been where you are, done that and have the t-shirt.

Ever seen the tv show "Lost In Space"?  Well consider me the robot flailing my arms
wildly in all directions and screeching the words "Warning - Warning - Danger - Danger"     

You are approaching the light at the end of the tunnel. It is only less than a month away. Pozdravyayu! Na tvoyo zdorovye.
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: Guile on November 06, 2018, 09:37:49 AM
justadude you won't even pay for your fiancee's cat to come over? man... :GRRRR: :o
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: justadude on November 06, 2018, 06:05:58 PM
She bought all 4 tickets, 2 for her and 2 for the cat for each leg of the journey. It took her 36 hours of airline ticket limbo. I sent her the money after the purchase. We are back on track and the scheduled arrival is once again late November, so I now have the tracking number for my mail order bride))

She related that being a Ukrainian accountant made her ideally suited for cutting through the red tape and getting this done.

(https://i.imgur.com/HzEXTom.jpg)
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: Contrarian on November 06, 2018, 06:14:42 PM
She bought all 4 tickets, 2 for her and 2 for the cat for each leg of the journey. It took her 36 hours of airline ticket limbo. I sent her the money after the purchase. We are back on track and the scheduled arrival is once again late November, so I now have the tracking number for my mail order bride))

She related that being a Ukrainian accountant made her ideally suited for cutting through the red tape and getting this done.

(https://i.imgur.com/HzEXTom.jpg)

Good job Dude.  :thumbsup:

I think I may even go back to rooting for you.
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: Guile on November 07, 2018, 02:56:33 AM
well hallelujah something right came about...  it's not that hard to book flights from USA to Russia, I've done it several times. 

At least she'll get here..   you keep joking that you "have the tracking number for my mail order bride))"  maybe it's your sense of humor but maybe it's your approach to this whole thing. 
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: andrewfi on November 07, 2018, 04:12:45 AM
The words we use indicate the programing that created them. Most of us are not very proficient at writing fiction and so end up writing the truth as we see it. So, yeah, our hero is seeking a mail order bride and that attitude informs us as to why he chooses a hands off approach with minimal effort or commitment from himself.
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: Guile on November 07, 2018, 09:08:43 AM
My take is if justadude can't even be bothered to meet her halfway in NY then he's lazy, selfish or both.

I just wonder how his fiancee or any girl would feel about that.  It's not like he doesn't have the time or money. 
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: justadude on November 07, 2018, 12:45:20 PM
A prenup may not help with reducing spousal support. A good attorney for a foreign woman would tell the court his/her client speaks limited English, isn't familiar with the culture and isn't employable.

With marrying a foreign woman, if a guy gets a divorce to her in America, his spousal support would be greater and last longer compared to if he was divorcing an American woman

That's why at your expense you get her an attorney that is fluent in Russian and
have the document prepared in both english and cyrillic.

My attorney told me a properly prepared pre nup could have saved me about $200,000
in the divorce settlement according to Ohio law.

The amount and duration of spousal support varies greatly depending on which state
has jurisdiction, her ability to get a job and the income disparity between the parties.



Shakespear, I sent you a PM
Title: Re: Flying with a cat to the US.
Post by: Steveboy on November 09, 2018, 12:16:01 PM
She bought all 4 tickets, 2 for her and 2 for the cat for each leg of the journey. It took her 36 hours of airline ticket limbo. I sent her the money after the purchase. We are back on track and the scheduled arrival is once again late November, so I now have the tracking number for my mail order bride))

She related that being a Ukrainian accountant made her ideally suited for cutting through the red tape and getting this done.

(https://i.imgur.com/HzEXTom.jpg)

I like that image!! Thanks!! I will be sending that to UADreams shortly.. :ROFL: