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Usage of Russian and UK Passports at Different Borders
Manny:
We recently put in wifey's application for Naturalisation. She should get it early next year - all well and good.
Her forthcoming UK passport will be in her married surname. Her Russian passport is in her maiden name. That is how we want it to stay.
So we have read everywhere that its very easy: You travel to Russia using your Russian passport, and you come back using your UK passport.
However, wifey sees an issue with this. Leaving the UK, she can show a Russian passport to demonstrate right of entry to Russia. No problem (differing surname can be explained - we are logical here). However, leaving Russia, bound for the UK, because she was not stamped into Russia on her UK passport and has no visa, and will not have a current UK visa in her Russian passport (because it is in her old one), she is worried.
If she shows both, she feels the difference in surname between the two passports will create problems (because one must register marriage in Russia and she never did because we married in England). She doesn't want the hassle of having to change her internal passport, propiskas etc. It is simpler she stays maiden name in Russia.
Options include: Getting a Russian visa in her UK passport - ludicrous as she is a RU citizen anyway. Paying the Home Office even more money to duplicate her ILR in her new Russian passport (and assume they wont notice she was never stamped out of the UK). Show her old Russian passport with ILR in to demonstrate right of entry - she is wary of doing that even though she read you can.
She thinks making it complicated leaving Russia with multiple travel documents in various names will just leave her open to delays, bribes and general hassle.
Does anyone here have a wife who maintained her Russian surname in her Russian passport and her married name in her UK (or US) passport? How is this best approached?
sparky114:
OK Manny here goes so many questions :o
--- Quote ---We recently put in wifey's application for Naturalisation. She should get it early next year - all well and good.
Her forthcoming UK passport will be in her married surname. Her Russian passport is in her maiden name. That is how we want it to stay.
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Well done this will enable you to travel where you like, and no silly Visa's, But is of no use to travel to Russia :o well a little as you get back to the UK you can go through the returning citizen exit you know the one ;D
--- Quote ---However, wifey sees an issue with this. Leaving the UK, she can show a Russian passport to demonstrate right of entry to Russia. No problem (differing surname can be explained - we are logical here). However, leaving Russia, bound for the UK, because she was not stamped into Russia on her UK passport and has no visa, and will not have a current UK visa in her Russian passport (because it is in her old one), she is worried.
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OK lets get down to it :sick0012: when you buy Wifey ticket to RUSSIA you buy it in her maiden name she then technically flys HOME then when she returns to the UK she shows her Russian passport with ILR in it and on arrival she shows her UK Passport as they do not check tickets at customs :) or she can just use Russian passport like she has done for last umpteen years :) if it is her old passport she will have to carry this unless you pay for the visa to be put in her new International Passport about £150 if i remember rightly :(
--- Quote ---If she shows both, she feels the difference in surname between the two passports will create problems (because one must register marriage in Russia and she never did because we married in England). She doesn't want the hassle of having to change her internal passport, propiskas etc. It is simpler she stays maiden name in Russia.
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All answered above she will never use her UK passport to enter Russia ::) she is Russian and always will be Russian there is no Joint citizenship allowed in Russia
At this point i will point out that when you get her UK PASSPORT on the line nationality it will state the following RUSSIAN
Just because she has a UK passport it will not make her English she will be a Russian citizen with UK passport
--- Quote ---Options include: Getting a Russian visa in her UK passport
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Think about it now after reading the above statement
You can not have a Russian visa issued to a Russian citizen yes she has a UK passport but she is still Russian. just like giving a UK citizen a UK VISA ::)
--- Quote ---Paying the Home Office even more money to duplicate her ILR in her new Russian passport (and assume they wont notice she was never stamped out of the UK). Show her old Russian passport with ILR in to demonstrate right of entry - she is wary of doing that even though she read you can.
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Already explained above
--- Quote ---She thinks making it complicated leaving Russia with multiple travel documents in various names will just leave her open to delays, bribes and general hassle.
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They as far as I am aware do not give hassle or bribes to Russians when travelling correctly ;D all in her maiden name for every trip to Russia it will now give you as much hassle to do as it always have
Forget using the UK Passport for these trips it has no use :Zzzzsleep:but then again i would always travel with it safely concealed somewhere just in case :-Xor to use if the UK/EU channel the queue is shorter. :-X
Many of My UK/Russian friends do this and never have any problems it is just the first time fear of the unknown and also you have put the added UK Passport thing in just to confuse it
GOOD LUCK
sorry so long mate give me a call if you want :)
BCKev:
Something to keep in mind: the airlines always seem to be interested in you having the correct passport or visa that will allow entry at your destination.
On leaving Russia, I would assume that she would have to show her UK passport to the airline, and the Russian passport to the Russian immigration crew.
In Ukraine, the marriage certificate is also used as a name change document(where wife changes her surname). If it is the same in Russia, wouldn't hurt to carry a copy of the marriage certificate to explain different names.
sparky114:
--- Quote from: BCKev on December 08, 2009, 12:27:27 AM ---Something to keep in mind: the airlines always seem to be interested in you having the correct passport or visa that will allow entry at your destination.
On leaving Russia, I would assume that she would have to show her UK passport to the airline, and the Russian passport to the Russian immigration crew.
In Ukraine, the marriage certificate is also used as a name change document(where wife changes her surname). If it is the same in Russia, wouldn't hurt to carry a copy of the marriage certificate to explain different names.
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kev i agree with some of your post
But the airline will want to see a passport showing the same name as the Ticket says now she will have to show her Russian passport for this and her old one with the ILR Visa in it for entry back to the UK.
And on leaving the UK her Russian passport is proof enough to say she can go to Russia so the UK passport has no part to play in the whole process.
This is the way you will always fly back to Russia if you do not want to change passports in russia to maiden name, and at the end of the day there is no real need unless it is personal preference to change all into married names.
yes i agree it might be a good idea to carry a copy of marriage certificate although if you are flying in your maiden name there should be no problem.
WestCoast:
--- Quote from: Manny on December 07, 2009, 04:19:01 PM ---We recently put in wifey's application for Naturalisation. She should get it early next year - all well and good.
Her forthcoming UK passport will be in her married surname. Her Russian passport is in her maiden name. That is how we want it to stay.
So we have read everywhere that its very easy: You travel to Russia using your Russian passport, and you come back using your UK passport.
However, wifey sees an issue with this. Leaving the UK, she can show a Russian passport to demonstrate right of entry to Russia. No problem (differing surname can be explained - we are logical here). However, leaving Russia, bound for the UK, because she was not stamped into Russia on her UK passport and has no visa, and will not have a current UK visa in her Russian passport (because it is in her old one), she is worried.
If she shows both, she feels the difference in surname between the two passports will create problems (because one must register marriage in Russia and she never did because we married in England). She doesn't want the hassle of having to change her internal passport, propiskas etc. It is simpler she stays maiden name in Russia.
Options include: Getting a Russian visa in her UK passport - ludicrous as she is a RU citizen anyway. Paying the Home Office even more money to duplicate her ILR in her new Russian passport (and assume they wont notice she was never stamped out of the UK). Show her old Russian passport with ILR in to demonstrate right of entry - she is wary of doing that even though she read you can.
She thinks making it complicated leaving Russia with multiple travel documents in various names will just leave her open to delays, bribes and general hassle.
Does anyone here have a wife who maintained her Russian surname in her Russian passport and her married name in her UK (or US) passport? How is this best approached?
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The simplest solution is of course the easiest, don't change her surname. Why is it necessary? If she doesn't change her surname the same name will appear in both passports.
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