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[Brasscasing]

Oh, scammer business - I've re-edited my post again. Thanks guys.

Brass

[bpike]

Brass-I am sure he was talking about the scammer business. These people say all the right things to get an unsuspecting man emotionally attached, then detached from their common sense-and their wallet 

It may be a spammy approach for the business to shoot generic introductory letters from the girls to members but that in itself isn't a scam. If the girls read and respond to letters sent by members and if they receive the photos and gifts sent this is all ligitimate.

In all fairness, the fact that the approach is spammy and costs money doesn't make it a scam. This is just my opinion and as I said in my last post I'm requesting verification that the girls are receiving the gifts and letters.

[Manny]

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I am not seeing any FSU IP addresses in there; only US ones. I am seeing Oakland CA as the likely source. Maybe someone else wants to check?

[bpike]

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I am not seeing any FSU IP addresses in there; only US ones. I am seeing Oakland CA as the likely source. Maybe someone else wants to check?

I concur. They are California IP addresses.

[bpike]

The email addy is singl8ekristina@yahoo.com
I get no URL info, just yahoo mail server

Apparently this person changes email accounts and names often, if not for every person they try to scam

That's the problem with those free email accounts. They are a scammer's dream because you can keep creating new email accounts indefinitely.

[Eduard]

Brass-I am sure he was talking about the scammer business. These people say all the right things to get an unsuspecting man emotionally attached, then detached from their common sense-and their wallet 

It may be a spammy approach for the business to shoot generic introductory letters from the girls to members but that in itself isn't a scam. If the girls read and respond to letters sent by members and if they receive the photos and gifts sent this is all ligitimate.

In all fairness, the fact that the approach is spammy and costs money doesn't make it a scam. This is just my opinion and as I said in my last post I'm requesting verification that the girls are receiving the gifts and letters.

What they usually do when they get money from several WM, they take the girls to a flower shop, pay the shop a few bucks for the use of flowers, take photos of the girls with flowers, flowers go back on sale at the shop, the girls get their cut, the agency keeps most of the money and every one is happy. Men get the photos of "their" girls with flowers, and everyone else makes nice money for very little "work". Most of the time this is exactly what takes place when you deal with most mail order bride agencies.

[Boris]

The hold up a card with my name on it ploy is just going to offend a good girl....

[Eduard]

The hold up a card with my name on it ploy is just going to offend a good girl....

But a MOB girl will gladly do it so that she could keep the flow of cash coming 

[RG]

The IP is from CA.  web mail IPs aren't always perfectly accurate, as they generally include the IP of that particular Yahoo/hotmail/gmail mail server farm, but it's generally in the right general part of the world, meaning I might not worry too much if someone said they were within a few hundred miles of where the originating IP on a webmail is, but this is really pushing it.

Tell her the money's on the way, along with a new laptop, then disappear and move on.

[ChrisE]

 With my luck the way things have been going lately, I have found that is has been becoming impossible for me to trust any FSU contacts I have. I don't know if I am starting to see ghosts, or actually seeing scam signs too easily. Now a woman who I had been chatting with for months at Anastasia has been in contact with me off site through email, sms, and now skype for for the first time this morning. But today on skype, I am told her studio where she does her photography hobby was broken into last night and her borrowed laptop was stolen, among other things. I was told she borrowed it from her boss, and he's going to kill her(her words). I am also told she cannot afford to replace it, which I can understand since she still is a full time student. But because she didn't have the laptop, she didn't have video during skype. She also didn't speak, just typed, saying her mother was asleep (it was 16:00 there). She didn't ask for any money, but sounded like she was lightly hinting at it. Maybe she was just very worried, and I'm being overly suspicious. I have never had reason to doubt her on anything before today, and she's the only one from Anastasia willing to chat with me off site.
  I am told she wants to come to the US this summer to meet me since I don't have any vacation time left this year, and she says she can't wait that long to meet. I also really want to meet her, as she seems like a really great woman. But if this turns into another scam attempt, then I just don't know-maybe it would be a sign to throw in the towel. For some reason I seem to attract scammers like mosquitoes to a nudist colony.

[Eduard]

For some reason I seem to attract scammers like mosquitoes to a nudist colony.

LOL, that's a good one! How old are you, Chris? When you have your fill of all the mailorder BS you might wanna check out my site and services. I think you'll find it refreshing and get the hope back.
Ed

[TomT]

Chris,

Do I understand correctly that you and she have been communicating for MONTHS and you have never called her on the telephone?

[Manny]

With my luck the way things have been going lately, I have found that is has been becoming impossible for me to trust any FSU contacts I have. I don't know if I am starting to see ghosts, or actually seeing scam signs too easily. Now a woman who I had been chatting with for months at Anastasia has been in contact with me off site through email, sms, and now skype for for the first time this morning. But today on skype, I am told her studio where she does her photography hobby was broken into last night and her borrowed laptop was stolen, among other things. I was told she borrowed it from her boss, and he's going to kill her(her words). I am also told she cannot afford to replace it, which I can understand since she still is a full time student. But because she didn't have the laptop, she didn't have video during skype. She also didn't speak, just typed, saying her mother was asleep (it was 16:00 there). She didn't ask for any money, but sounded like she was lightly hinting at it. Maybe she was just very worried, and I'm being overly suspicious. I have never had reason to doubt her on anything before today, and she's the only one from Anastasia willing to chat with me off site.
  I am told she wants to come to the US this summer to meet me since I don't have any vacation time left this year, and she says she can't wait that long to meet. I also really want to meet her, as she seems like a really great woman. But if this turns into another scam attempt, then I just don't know-maybe it would be a sign to throw in the towel. For some reason I seem to attract scammers like mosquitoes to a nudist colony.

Chris, I am not big on self promotion, but you seem to want to make a go of this. I don't know if you ever got our book. But it is sounding like you should. You are making rookie mistakes and missing the big picture on how stuff should be. If you have it already - read it again. TomT here was one of the editors and Eduard heartily recommends it to his clients before they start. For less than thirty bucks, I think it is the overview you need after reading some of this.

I'll even cut you a deal. Read it, and if you think it hasn't helped you enough for what you paid, or wasn't good value, send it on back and I'll refund 100% of what you paid.

[Eduard]

With my luck the way things have been going lately, I have found that is has been becoming impossible for me to trust any FSU contacts I have. I don't know if I am starting to see ghosts, or actually seeing scam signs too easily. Now a woman who I had been chatting with for months at Anastasia has been in contact with me off site through email, sms, and now skype for for the first time this morning. But today on skype, I am told her studio where she does her photography hobby was broken into last night and her borrowed laptop was stolen, among other things. I was told she borrowed it from her boss, and he's going to kill her(her words). I am also told she cannot afford to replace it, which I can understand since she still is a full time student. But because she didn't have the laptop, she didn't have video during skype. She also didn't speak, just typed, saying her mother was asleep (it was 16:00 there). She didn't ask for any money, but sounded like she was lightly hinting at it. Maybe she was just very worried, and I'm being overly suspicious. I have never had reason to doubt her on anything before today, and she's the only one from Anastasia willing to chat with me off site.
  I am told she wants to come to the US this summer to meet me since I don't have any vacation time left this year, and she says she can't wait that long to meet. I also really want to meet her, as she seems like a really great woman. But if this turns into another scam attempt, then I just don't know-maybe it would be a sign to throw in the towel. For some reason I seem to attract scammers like mosquitoes to a nudist colony.

Chris, I am not big on self promotion, but you seem to want to make a go of this. I don't know if you ever got our book. But it is sounding like you should. You are making rookie mistakes and missing the big picture on how stuff should be. If you have it already - read it again. TomT here was one of the editors and Eduard heartily recommends it to his clients before they start. For less than thirty bucks, I think it is the overview you need after reading some of this.

I'll even cut you a deal. Read it, and if you think it hasn't helped you enough for what you paid, or wasn't good value, send it on back and I'll refund 100% of what you paid.

I agree, this book will open your eyes on things involved in this process and rather than trying to find things on the forum it has all the important stuff concentrated in one place. very easy to read too. Best $30 bucks you'll ever spend.

[RG]

Chris,

Just a suggestion, take it for what you paid for it.
Get the book and take a break from contacts; spend some time reading, and some time looking for reviews of sites  recommended by actual members versus advertising campaigns.  Educating yourself through the (sometimes painful, time consuming, $$) experience of others seems likely to steer you on the right track sooner, along with a decent site or wingman.

You're going to find some type of scammer at virtually any site, but I'd wager there are higher percentages of them at some sites over others, and with some experience and some general rules (find bills thread on here, and just read, read read) it can get a lot easier to not get suckered.

I came across many people that were obvious non-matches, no matter their appearances, and a few likely "up to no good" in one form or another.  My first contact ever wasn't an obvious ticket/immediate $ scam, but i have no doubts as to her intentions being "not the same as mine" in a negative way, but overall I'd say a relatively low percentage of women out of hundreds of contacts were "scammers" - once you learn to pick up on some cues, as well as close your eyes to a pretty picture, and educate yourself a bit, it's not terribly hard to avoid the ones likely to start asking for cash and setting you up, or those expecting a shopping trip or "the princess life."  I encountered far more generally decent people than not.  If you don't believe you can discern these things for yourself, even after some time reading, thinking, etc., or continue to have worries or just want some "help," I'd recommend Ed or Igor as a "helper." 

Best of luck!

[bpike]

Brass-I am sure he was talking about the scammer business. These people say all the right things to get an unsuspecting man emotionally attached, then detached from their common sense-and their wallet 

It may be a spammy approach for the business to shoot generic introductory letters from the girls to members but that in itself isn't a scam. If the girls read and respond to letters sent by members and if they receive the photos and gifts sent this is all ligitimate.

In all fairness, the fact that the approach is spammy and costs money doesn't make it a scam. This is just my opinion and as I said in my last post I'm requesting verification that the girls are receiving the gifts and letters.

What they usually do when they get money from several WM, they take the girls to a flower shop, pay the shop a few bucks for the use of flowers, take photos of the girls with flowers, flowers go back on sale at the shop, the girls get their cut, the agency keeps most of the money and every one is happy. Men get the photos of "their" girls with flowers, and everyone else makes nice money for very little "work". Most of the time this is exactly what takes place when you deal with most mail order bride agencies.

Thank you, Ed. I have to admit that even though this may be true it's not what I want to hear. I know of the girl and find it hard to believe that she personally would be a scammer. Hmm, what to do? 

[bpike]

The hold up a card with my name on it ploy is just going to offend a good girl....

Yup, you're probably right and if she's ligit I definitely don't want to offend her.

[Eduard]

try to get her to talk to you off the agency site ASAP and don't send any gifts or flowers. In a normal situation outside of the MOB agencies no one in the FSU does that. Once you and her are chatting off the site you can have me do a 3-way call to her so I can translate for you plus get a feel for whether she is sincere or is on her agency's payroll. You can also use Ladagirl (Olga) to do the same thing.
Ed

[nunya]

Hmm, what to do? 

bpike, if possible try to meet Rus/Ukr women who can speak at least a little English. You might be surprised at how many Rus/Ukr women can speak a little English and a little is often all that is needed.  If you don't need an interpreter, if you don't need your letters or emails translated, if you don't have to have a third wheel tagging along on your dates, I think you will have a better chance of getting to really know any woman you have an interest in.

[ChrisE]

 Eduard-I have a question. What are some good strategies to find out if a girl is on the agency payroll? I have just started chatting off site with someone from one of the big MOB sites, and I have some question of her sincerity. We had been chatting on site for a few months, and right before my credits ran out she gave me her last name finally(against site rules), and told me she wanted to keep in contact with me. But before I could get infomation past the online filters I ran out of credits and was cut off. But I did some investigation work and got lucky. I found her email and profile on the mail.ru members lookup and contacted her. Now we have just started communication again, and tried using Skype. I did not get video because she says she does not have a web cam now since her borrowed laptop was stolen in a burglary recently and is now using an old computer from home. She has not asked for any money yet, and she has been initiating the contact lately. But something still seems a bit fishy, and I don't know the best way to find out if I am wasting my time on her yet. All I do know is that she was still online today for live chat when I logged on momentarily to look. She once told me that she used a computer at the agency itself because hers at home was junk, and didn't have a cam.
  So to sum it up, she is willing to text chat for free off site, and initiates the contact, plus has sent a few off site emails. On the other hand, she is still online at the site, and shows up online with a video feed. I do not get any video feed from her on skype, and she did not speak-only typed. The excuse being her mother was sleeping nearby. It has only been a few days since contacting off site, so it may be too early to tell. But I would appreciate any pointers on how to go fishing for the facts. Thanks

[Eduard]

Eduard-I have a question. What are some good strategies to find out if a girl is on the agency payroll? I have just started chatting off site with someone from one of the big MOB sites, and I have some question of her sincerity. We had been chatting on site for a few months, and right before my credits ran out she gave me her last name finally(against site rules), and told me she wanted to keep in contact with me. But before I could get infomation past the online filters I ran out of credits and was cut off. But I did some investigation work and got lucky. I found her email and profile on the mail.ru members lookup and contacted her. Now we have just started communication again, and tried using Skype. I did not get video because she says she does not have a web cam now since her borrowed laptop was stolen in a burglary recently and is now using an old computer from home. She has not asked for any money yet, and she has been initiating the contact lately. But something still seems a bit fishy, and I don't know the best way to find out if I am wasting my time on her yet. All I do know is that she was still online today for live chat when I logged on momentarily to look. She once told me that she used a computer at the agency itself because hers at home was junk, and didn't have a cam.
  So to sum it up, she is willing to text chat for free off site, and initiates the contact, plus has sent a few off site emails. On the other hand, she is still online at the site, and shows up online with a video feed. I do not get any video feed from her on skype, and she did not speak-only typed. The excuse being her mother was sleeping nearby. It has only been a few days since contacting off site, so it may be too early to tell. But I would appreciate any pointers on how to go fishing for the facts. Thanks

it was a good move that you found her on mail.ru  how old is she?

[bpike]

try to get her to talk to you off the agency site ASAP and don't send any gifts or flowers. In a normal situation outside of the MOB agencies no one in the FSU does that. Once you and her are chatting off the site you can have me do a 3-way call to her so I can translate for you plus get a feel for whether she is sincere or is on her agency's payroll. You can also use Ladagirl (Olga) to do the same thing.
Ed

Unfortunately, the flowers have been sent and I don't think it's possible to stop the delivery at this point. I asked for a photo of the delivery too. Well, I hope I don't offend her.

I will try to get her to talk with me off the agency website as you have suggested. Also, I appreciate your translation offer. That was very nice gesture on your part and will let you know what transpires.

[bpike]

Hmm, what to do? 

bpike, if possible try to meet Rus/Ukr women who can speak at least a little English. You might be surprised at how many Rus/Ukr women can speak a little English and a little is often all that is needed.  If you don't need an interpreter, if you don't need your letters or emails translated, if you don't have to have a third wheel tagging along on your dates, I think you will have a better chance of getting to really know any woman you have an interest in.

I'm glad that you said that. She does speak some English. 

[Eduard]

as a bilingual person I would caution you about heavy reliance on her English skills. Her limited English can cause more trouble than good because of all misunderstanding that goes along with this scenario. I'm seeing these communication break downs on a daily basis with my clients and sometimes it's just funny, other time they can be a deal breaker and cause the budding relationship to end.
You haven't responded to my question - how old is she? And how old are you?

[bpike]

as a bilingual person I would caution you about heavy reliance on her English skills. Her limited English can cause more trouble than good because of all misunderstanding that goes along with this scenario. I'm seeing this communication break downs on a daily basis with my clients and sometimes it's just funny, other time they can be a deal breaker and cause the budding relationship to end.
You haven't responded to my question - how old is she? And how old are you?

That makes sense about the language barrier. I believe Chris was the one you asked about age.