Trump Puts Zelensky in His Place and Boots Him from the White House

[andrewfi]

I just saw this:



There is a video with Trump and Zelensky. I have never seen anything like it.

JUST IN - Ukraine's Zelensky is leaving the White House, and the press conference has been canceled. No deal.

White House official tells Fox News that Trump kicked Zelensky out from the White House.

[matador22]

I just saw this:
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There is a video with Trump and Zelensky. I have never seen anything like it. I am sure it will be all over the news very shortly.

JUST IN - Ukraine's Zelensky is leaving the White House, and the press conference has been canceled. No deal.

White House official tells Fox News that Trump kicked Zelensky out from the White House.

it's crazy.  it is all over the news and X-twitter.  what's your take on all this? Who is right here?

[andrewfi]

right - wrong = false dichotomy.

Having the discussion in public seems unusual. I am sure that this was not normal but it was planned. So, Trump's team expected this type of outcome.

From the outset I considered that the 'deal' was set up to enable the U.S to pull out of its involvement with Ukraine without it being the 'fault' of the U.S. If I am correct then the objective is achieved in a dramatic and public manner. Not many Americans will object if Trump pulls out after Zelensky's performance. No blame attaches to Trump, in their eyes.

[Contrarian]

I just saw this:
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There is a video with Trump and Zelensky. I have never seen anything like it. I am sure it will be all over the news very shortly.

JUST IN - Ukraine's Zelensky is leaving the White House, and the press conference has been canceled. No deal.

White House official tells Fox News that Trump kicked Zelensky out from the White House.

Col Douglas MacGregor says that Zelensky is earning 11 Million USD a month. His senior officers are likely well paid also. No matter what he earns, you would think he could afford a decent suit. He really does look like a clown in what he wears. He's not a soldier, why the absurd act?

I am liking JD Vance very much.

Maybe The Don will invite him back later this evening or tomorrow after this. I sort of doubt it, but who knows.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/zelenskyy-breaks-silence-social-media-194335161.html

[Contrarian]

right - wrong = false dichotomy.

Having the discussion in public seems unusual. I am sure that this was not normal but it was planned. So, Trump's team expected this type of outcome.

From the outset I considered that the 'deal' was set up to enable the U.S to pull out of its involvement with Ukraine without it being the 'fault' of the U.S. If I am correct then the objective is achieved in a dramatic and public manner. Not many Americans will object if Trump pulls out after Zelensky's performance. No blame attaches to Trump, in their eyes.

Unless their name is Adam Schiff. 

[andrewfi]

I was talking in large terms. There will, of course, be attempts to spin this against Trump. One can already see it.

Zelensky did not handle himself well. The Trump team would have expected the outcome. Zelensky and his team know Zelensky's weaknesses and yet they allowed this to happen. They performed badly, but, one way or another, the 'deal' would not have gone through. The daft thing is that this deal means almost nothing. There would be no performance of the document until after the end of the SMO. There's no cost or benefit to the U.S until the end of the SMO.

Zelensky should not have gone to the USA. There was no practical need to go. It was an ego thing for Zelensky. Had he not gone the document would have been signed.

The Ukrainian president was played like a bass, by an excellent angler.

It does not really matter what a few politicians or commentators say. Millions of Americans have seen Zelensky's performance, framed as disrespect for the office of the president and the American people. Job's done, game over.

No amount of editing and recutting of the video already broadcast will alter the emotional response of most Americans. Of course the Americans have also been played!

[WestCoast]

I just saw this:
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There is a video with Trump and Zelensky. I have never seen anything like it. I am sure it will be all over the news very shortly.

JUST IN - Ukraine's Zelensky is leaving the White House, and the press conference has been canceled. No deal.

White House official tells Fox News that Trump kicked Zelensky out from the White House.

Col Douglas MacGregor says that Zelensky is earning 11 Million USD a month. His senior officers are likely well paid also. No matter what he earns, you would think he could afford a decent suit. He really does look like a clown in what he wears. He's not a soldier, why the absurd act?

I am liking JD Vance very much.

Maybe The Don will invite him back later this evening or tomorrow after this. I sort of doubt it, but who knows.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/zelenskyy-breaks-silence-social-media-194335161.html

 

According to many articles Putin is the richest or one of the richest people in the world. By now it must be obvious the real reason for Putin invading Ukraine is because of the vast resources Ukraine has. IOW it is a land grab to claim the rare earth minerals, oil and gas, agriculture, etc, etc.

Even if the current negotiations only result in Russia getting the 20% of Ukraine they currently hold that will be a victory for Putin. He gets to keep Crimea and lots of land with valuable resources. In the coming years he can improve and upgrade his military with the new income from resources in Ukraine. Who knows Putin might end up selling oil and gas to Europe again and rare earth minerals to the USA. Give a few decades and Russia might be in NATO before Ukraine. 

https://theweek.com/vladimir-putin/956928/what-is-vladimir-putins-net-worth

https://www.foxbusiness.com/fox-news-world/putins-net-worth-rivals-elon-musk-cobweb-bank-accounts-assets-hides-full-value-expert-says

[WestCoast]

right - wrong = false dichotomy.

Having the discussion in public seems unusual. I am sure that this was not normal but it was planned. So, Trump's team expected this type of outcome.

From the outset I considered that the 'deal' was set up to enable the U.S to pull out of its involvement with Ukraine without it being the 'fault' of the U.S. If I am correct then the objective is achieved in a dramatic and public manner. Not many Americans will object if Trump pulls out after Zelensky's performance. No blame attaches to Trump, in their eyes.

Trump should go to Kiev and speak in the Ukrainian parliament. Have his speech to the Ukrainian parliament broadcast live. Post detailed copies of the peace treaty publicly. Trump can tell the lawmakers and the people of Ukraine in detail what the peace treaty is all about. Trump can tell the lawmakers and the Ukrainian people they must take the deal so they must pay back America for all the aid America has given Ukraine.

I wonder what the reaction of the Ukrainian people and the world would be?

[Texan77]

BREAKING NEWS ! !

Putin offers to mediate cease fire between Trump and Zelensky

[dorbradavid]

BREAKING NEWS ! !

Putin offers to mediate cease fire between Trump and Zelensky

lol 

[Jonas!]

Boy o boy Trump and Vance really publicly bitch slapped Zelensky.   Of course, their demands of Ukraine are completely unreasonable but that is how it goes if you are going to deal with the US in matters like this.  Trump wants Ukraine's mineral rights in perpetuity.  Although Ukraine/Zelensky are desperate, apparently, they aren't THAT desperate...YET.   Trump can try to make them more desperate though...maybe imply that enforcing Russian sanctions is going to taper off.   Hell, maybe we (The US) should invade the rest of Ukraine (With Russian approval) ourselves (To 'save' them) of course and then we can just take and share the minerals with Russia....leaving China out.  Trump has stated we are taking Syria's oil, so there is precedent.   I will be curious to see how Europe steps up.   

Jonas!   

[WestCoast]

Elon Musk publicly supports call for US to exit NATO, UN. Europe with 4 times the population of Russia and a combined GDP of 10+ that of Russia should certainly be able to continue NATO or organize some alternative to NATO.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-publicly-supports-call-084016959.html

[andrewfi]

Boy o boy Trump and Vance really publicly bitch slapped Zelensky.   Of course, their demands of Ukraine are completely unreasonable but that is how it goes if you are going to deal with the US in matters like this.  Trump wants Ukraine's mineral rights in perpetuity.  Although Ukraine/Zelensky are desperate, apparently, they aren't THAT desperate...YET.   Trump can try to make them more desperate though...maybe imply that enforcing Russian sanctions is going to taper off.   Hell, maybe we (The US) should invade the rest of Ukraine (With Russian approval) ourselves (To 'save' them) of course and then we can just take and share the minerals with Russia....leaving China out.  Trump has stated we are taking Syria's oil, so there is precedent.   I will be curious to see how Europe steps up.   

Jonas!

It is not just these mythical 'rare earths' of which there are almost none; it is about all natural resources as well as infrastructure such as ports, which is why Zelensky was bleating about Odessa in the video.

But the deal is not so terribly bad for Ukraine; it only comes into play after the end of the SMO, however that might happen, it applies only to state-owned resources and infrastructure. The fund is supposed to support reconstruction of the country. Given the degree of corruption in the country, having money go directly from the state to a U.S.-managed fund where it will be blended with U.S. money, the Ukrainians would most certainly see more benefit from this mechanism than leaving the money raised in the hands of the Ukrainian government and business. Don't forget, for context, that only a few years ago Yulya Tymoshenko, former Ukrainian prime minister and CEO of United Energy Systems of Ukraine, was enjoying for a time wealth from her 'bizniz interests' of around 30% of the GDP of Ukraine.

That's not to say that the U.S. is spotless in the area of corruption, but they are pussycats compared to panthers in this area of skill.

However, we might also want to consider the 'secret terms' if the 100-year agreement recently signed off by Zelensky and Starmer, which is strongly rumoured ,was, in fact, a similar agreement to that envisaged by the U.S. If true, that will have gone down like a cold vomit cocktail for the denizens of the halls of power in the United States. That might explain some of the animus displayed toward PM Starmer by Mr. Trump last week and possibly earlier.

[andrewfi]

Here is an interesting and, in my view, balanced look at the meeting in the Oval Office. The presenter does his best to avoid discussing the rights and wrongs of policies and actions of the stakeholders. He concentrates on the meeting itself. He looks at the timeline of the entire meeting, the body language and words used.

Bear in mind that the chosen spin in British media is that Zelensky is blameless and was being bullied by Trump and Vance.

That video was followed up with another that discusses media manipulation.

[andrewfi]

Here is an analysis of the agreement inked but not signed between Ukraine and the United States: https://www.csis.org/analysis/breaking-down-us-ukraine-minerals-deal

As we can see, this is not an agreement to rip out all the minerals from Ukraine to the sole benefit of the United States. It is suggested that other countries might seek similar contracts for their resources. The deal does not cover existing extractions but only future ones, new ventures funded by the entities developing and extracting newly identified resources.

Zelensky was angered that the United States was not incorporating 'security guarantees' into Ukraine. In the 49-minute fiasco in the Oval Office, Zelensky was clearly trying to revisit and renegotiate an agreement that had already been negotiated, agreed upon, and finalised. No wonder Trump, Vance, and other onlookers in the room, from the U.S. and Ukraine, were angry and frustrated by this behaviour.

[Manny]

​In the article "Chihuahuas, Not Dobermans," Patrick Lawrence critiques Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's leadership amid shifting geopolitical dynamics. Lawrence portrays Zelensky as a figure elevated by Western interests, lacking substantial political experience, and presiding over a corrupt regime. He argues that President Donald Trump's recent initiatives to end the Ukraine conflict, including direct communications with Russian President Vladimir Putin, have marginalised Zelensky and exposed the European Union's dependence on U.S. policy. Lawrence suggests that European leaders, now compelled to act independently, are ill-prepared for this role, likening them to "chihuahuas" attempting to emulate "dobermans." The article concludes that Europe's current approach may lead to further instability and questions the rationality of continuing the conflict without considering alternative solutions.

https://scheerpost.com/2025/02/27/patrick-lawrence-chihuahuas-not-dobermans/

[Manny]

What's your take on all this? Who is right here?

Zelensky was a TV entertainer and actor installed by the US Democrats/deep state/swamp, and propped up by the EU and the UK. It was always a proxy war by the US on Russia.

Trump knows the US has zero chance of winning, and tax payers don't support pissing more money at Ukraine, so he wants a US face-saving exit, the best way to do that is to wrap it up as a peace deal. He knows the new Russian territories are not going back to Ukraine. So a deal needs to be done to sign off the new bits to Russia.

To do this, it's time for the US to throw Zelensky under the bus and disassociate themselves from all the nazisim, forced conscription, et al. That is what we saw in the video.

Trump is an opportunist, and the US habitually loots the countries it invades or otherwise entangles itself in (think oil in Syria, gold from Libya, etc). So, having lost the war, time to do some looting in the form of what's under the ground in what remains of Ukraine. They can sell that act of exceptionalism to the taxpayers as "getting their money back".

Zelensky, likely high on coke as usual, now believes his own BS and put a temporary block on that. Calling Vance a Suka Blyat under his breath does him no favours either. He knows he is toast.

The deal between Putin and Trump is likely done already. Trump's language suggested such. The companies are likely lined up already to extract billions from under the soil in Ukraine. Zelensky is now in the way. I wouldn't be surprised if a lone wolf scenario happens to bump him off if Zelensky remains noisy and inconvenient.

The EU/UK are suddenly adrift in all this. Having lost their Democrat handlers in January, most of them have Trump Derangement Syndrome, so are still pissing money at Ukraine vowing to "stand with them". Also, against what their actual taxpayers and voters want. But that is second nature in Europe now, they get voted in on lies and do what they like when in office. They are still probably all stuffing their pockets while they can, knowing it is nearly over for the Ukrainian grift.

[Jonas!]

Zelensky was angered that the United States was not incorporating 'security guarantees' into Ukraine. In the 49-minute fiasco in the Oval Office, Zelensky was clearly trying to revisit and renegotiate an agreement that had already been negotiated, agreed upon, and finalised. No wonder Trump, Vance, and other onlookers in the room, from the U.S. and Ukraine, were angry and frustrated by this behaviour.

If there is one thing that REALLY pisses me off it is when clients try to double negotiate at my expense.  IF that is what Zelensky did, I would react similar to how Trump reacted and kick his ass down the road with an exit wedgie.  I'm not sure how finalized their agreement actually was but that tactic is the worst.  If Zelensky tried this with Trump it is a fatal error that he likely can't recover from. Trump will make them pay over and over again now.  I wouldn't be surprised if down the line he helps Russia! Maybe Trump will make a deal with Putin on whatever territory he is able to seize whereby the US and Russia partake in the joint ventures.   That would incentivize Russia to seize more territory and for the US to look the other way or even covertly assist Russia.  Zelensky had his chance and REALLY eff'ed up. 

I'm pretty sure the deal was a bad one for Ukraine, but that is beside the point.  If they want US assistance, they have to pay whatever the price is however high.  It was a big mistake for Ukraine to get in bed with the US to begin with.  Although had Biden or Harris been in office, I think Zelensky would still have a blank check, and he would still be lionized as a heroic figure.  His image is changing, his nasal voice and demands are starting to wear on people more so now.

Jonas!

[andrewfi]

I do not think that the deal as agreed between the governments was bad for Ukraine—at least not in economic terms. The money raised through the project would be used to rebuild the country; it did not cover existing projects, only new ones.

The first version did not look so good, but it did have a fixed closing point, which the version to which Zelensky was due to sign off on did not have.

J.D. Vance made it clear that the agreement was not up for re-negotiation in front of the world during the heated discussion in the Oval Office.

[Bodine]

What's your take on all this? Who is right here?

Zelensky, likely high on coke as usual, now believes his own BS and put a temporary block on that. Calling Vance a Suka Blyat under his breath does him no favours either. He knows he is toast.

Everyone loves an underdog. That's an emotional driven behavioral default. Unfortunately, more times than not, the first casualty of that is the loss of any sense of objectivity.

Z the clown fumed why he was not a party to the peace discussion since he is after all the 'president' of the nation at war with Russia.

You need not search long and hard to find answer to that question.

Just take note of his action and behavior at the Oval office last Friday with Ukraine's primal and largest supporter, fiscally and militarily. If the US took exception to his adolescent behavior, what do you think the chances of a successful peace negotiations across the table with Russia is going to be like with him acting like a female goat in labor hurling silly temper tantrums he showed the world on TV?

Chalk up a few more thousands soon-to-die Ukrainians because their "leader" really haven't got a clue.

On the flip-side of this, like Marco Rubio said in his interview with ABC yesterday, had it been someone else other than Trump who was trying to find a peaceful way to end this war, that person will be cheered on and he'd likely be on his way to a Nobel Peace prize.

[Contrarian]

To hear an elderly Ukrainian woman's opinion of Zelensly go to 7:15.
Brighton Beach, USA interviews.

[2tallbill]

right - wrong = false dichotomy.

Having the discussion in public seems unusual. I am sure that this was not normal but it was planned. So, Trump's team expected this type of outcome.

From the outset I considered that the 'deal' was set up to enable the U.S to pull out of its involvement with Ukraine without it being the 'fault' of the U.S. If I am correct then the objective is achieved in a dramatic and public manner. Not many Americans will object if Trump pulls out after Zelensky's performance. No blame attaches to Trump, in their eyes.

If your assumptions are accurate, then Zelensky was in on it? Or do you mean
that they believed Zelensky would flip out on hid own? 100% of the time, everything is worked out in advance. I've never seen this happen before.

OF COURSE the Dem's and the leftist press blame Trump for Zelensky
losing his mind. They start reporting in the middle of the disagreement
After Zelensky starts asking for security guarantees in the Oval Office. 

Zelensky should have had those details ironed out before he got on a plane.

[andrewfi]

I did not suggest, nor do I think it was a game scripted with Zelensky in advance. Nor do I think that what happened was exactly as expected by Trump and his team.

But, if you have ever been involved in serious negotiations on high stakes matters then I am sure that you will have researched your interlocutors in advance. You will have had an idea of their strengths and weaknesses. At higher levels your team will have run up psychometric profiles on the opposition.

Do you think Trump's team would not have done this?
Do you think they'd not already know how he behaves behind closed doors?
Do you think that Trump and Vance didn't run through potential scenarios and prepared for them?
Do you think that Team Trump don't know how long Zelensky can manage without a bump or what the effect of going past about 30 minutes would be on him?

Of course they would have all this and much more.

Did they expect such an amazing melt down? I doubt it. But they knew how to deal with it,

Having this type of meeting on camera is absolutely not normal. Do you think it happened by accident?

I have very much doubt that the scale of Zelensky's melt down was anticipated. But a well prepared team was able to take advantage and maximise it's utility in forwarding the Trump administration's policy objectives.

[Contrarian]

right - wrong = false dichotomy.

Having the discussion in public seems unusual. I am sure that this was not normal but it was planned. So, Trump's team expected this type of outcome.

From the outset I considered that the 'deal' was set up to enable the U.S to pull out of its involvement with Ukraine without it being the 'fault' of the U.S. If I am correct then the objective is achieved in a dramatic and public manner. Not many Americans will object if Trump pulls out after Zelensky's performance. No blame attaches to Trump, in their eyes.

If your assumptions are accurate, then Zelensky was in on it? Or do you mean
that they believed Zelensky would flip out on hid own? 100% of the time, everything is worked out in advance. I've never seen this happen before.

OF COURSE the Dem's and the leftist press blame Trump for Zelensky
losing his mind. They start reporting in the middle of the disagreement
After Zelensky starts asking for security guarantees in the Oval Office. 

Zelensky should have had those details ironed out before he got on a plane.

Zelensky is a very dishonest man. He agreed to one thing, it was scripted in advance, and then he thought he could disrespect the President and the American people by appealing to Americans who have fallen for his BS, and going off script. He's dishonorable. Watch the video I posted above which features an elderly Ukrainian woman who knows all about him.

[Contrarian]

I did not suggest, nor do I think it was a game scripted with Zelensky in advance. Nor do I think that what happened was exactly as expected by Trump and his team.

But, if you have ever been involved in serious negotiations on high stakes matters then I am sure that you will have researched your interlocutors in advance. You will have had an idea of their strengths and weaknesses. At higher levels your team will have run up psychometric profiles on the opposition.

Do you think Trump's team would not have done this?
Do you think they'd not already know how he behaves behind closed doors?
Do you think that Trump and Vance didn't run through potential scenarios and prepared for them?
Do you think that Team Trump don't know how long Zelensky can manage without a bump or what the effect of going past about 30 minutes would be on him?

Of course they would have all this and much more.

Did they expect such an amazing melt down? I doubt it. But they knew how to deal with it,

Having this type of meeting on camera is absolutely not normal. Do you think it happened by accident?

I have very much doubt that the scale of Zelensky's melt down was anticipated. But a well prepared team was able to take advantage and maximise it's utility in forwarding the Trump administration's policy objectives.

I disagree that it was not scripted in advance--I do not mean the confrontation, I mean Z. was supposed to smile for the cameras and sign the deal. He tried to go off script. He deceived the administration. He's little two faced self serving con artist. His children would never fight in a war and neither will he. I come to this conclusion by watching people in the know. Zelensky only cares about himself. He knows the war cannot be won and he wants the bloodshed to continue. His people are press-ganging anyone they can find and sending them to the front to die. Watch the video above where the young Ukrainian wants American troops to go fight his war, and literally start WWIII. Go back home young Ukrainian, don't lecture us. US Ukraine flags shown at bottom of the video.