Will there be peace in Ukraine?

[2tallbill]

What say you?

[Manny]

Putin has said there will be no ceasefire for the sake of it, and that any deal must take into account Russia's ongoing security and the SMO objectives to their satisfaction.

It is alleged by some usually accurate channels that Trump's people were already talking to Russia in December hoping to get a deal hammered out in advance, but nothing could be agreed.

Although now Trump is bellyaching about more sanctions, that isn't going to make Russia dash to the negotiating table. It won't concern Russia to have it drag on a while longer, they'll just take more ground. Its Trump who was trumpeting he could solve it in 24 hours, so for his face, he'll need to agree to whatever to get it done, IMO.

[Faux Pas]

Although now Trump is bellyaching about more sanctions, that isn't going to make Russia dash to the negotiating table. It won't concern Russia to have it drag on a while longer, they'll just take more ground. Its Trump who was trumpeting he could solve it in 24 hours, so for his face, he'll need to agree to whatever to get it done, IMO.

One thing I've noticed over all my years on the earth is this; 1) there isn't a politician anywhere on earth that you can trust to speak the unvarnished truth. 2) they will all, without exception, lie to your face in an effort to hide their true motives and never for the benefit of their constituents or humanity. 3) No matter who it is, Trump included, are always in the pocket of someone else. 4) Those with the pockets are seldom if ever seen on the world's stage

[Markje]

I've voted this will drag on a few years more with death/destruction show to accompany it.


However evil supporting Ukraine is, we will continue to do it and Zelensky has no real motivation to end the war.

I think we should choose, either we go all the way + boots on the ground, or we have to stop this senseless killing of Ukrainians.

[2tallbill]

It won't concern Russia to have it drag on a while longer, they'll just take more ground. Its Trump who was trumpeting he could solve it in 24 hours, so for his face, he'll need to agree to whatever to get it done, IMO.

Putin doesn't care about dragging it out longer for the men, women and
children getting ground into hamburger or the old pensioners struggles
living on kopecks with the double digit inflation that eats a hole out of
their lives?

Maybe they should drag it out for a few more years, maybe they will gain
another couple KM of dirt.

Trump knows he will be judged very publicly on the final deal, not whether
it happens in the next days. He could send several hundred F16's* to Poland
tomorrow with AMRAAM missiles, not 4 jets over a period of 18 months
like Biden did.

*Ukraine has 200 pilots trained to fly the F-16
Source
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ukraine-now-has-hundreds-f-16-fighter-pilots-213364/

[Texan77]

Putin has said there will be no ceasefire for the sake of it, and that any deal must take into account Russia's ongoing security and the SMO objectives to their satisfaction.

It is alleged by some usually accurate channels that Trump's people were already talking to Russia in December hoping to get a deal hammered out in advance, but nothing could be agreed.

Although now Trump is bellyaching about more sanctions, that isn't going to make Russia dash to the negotiating table. It won't concern Russia to have it drag on a while longer, they'll just take more ground. Its Trump who was trumpeting he could solve it in 24 hours, so for his face, he'll need to agree to whatever to get it done, IMO.

Trump feel that Putin is a loser. Nobody would do to his country what Putin has done to Russia during this war except a complete loser. The economic damage to Russia will be much more profound in 2025 than in the previous years. Russia no longer has the rainy-day fund to pay for stuff. The Russian stockpile of weapons has been mainly used up. It has to pay for everything the war needs out of the current year's budget. They are having to pay soldiers much more money than ever before. None of Russia's allies are helping with money instead they are milking Russia for all the money they can get. The Russian banking system is going broke. The values of ruble declining.

The amount of stuff getting blown up in Russia in 2024 was about ten time what it was in 2023. In all likelihood 2025 will show that a lot more stuff will getting blown up in Russia than in 2024 if the war continues. Current oil prices are higher in the USA because of Russia not being able to get as much oil to market since sanctioning shadow fleet and Ukraine attacking six oil storage units in Russia that burned for many days. Ukraine now has the ability to blow up Russian ports and stop the export of Russian oil but don't because of the shock it would cause in world oil prices. For now, it is happy to just put a dent in Russian sales. Since Russia is not able to export as much oil to India the USA is replacing some of India's needs with USA oil.

What is going to be funny is how Russia will spin the coming peace agreement as winning when this war when it is over. What will be even more funny is how most of you guys will believe it. 

[Bodine]

It will take at least 2 or more generations before there can be any semblance of 'peace' between these two nations. Not after this.

Regardless of any final negotiated terms and conditions both sides ultimately agree upon, I anticipate a prolonged ceasefire but with a lingering contempt on both sides.

[WestCoast]

In the future when China seizes part of eastern Russia to regain territory they lost due to forced treaties by Russia Putin or whoever is in charge will scream to the international community about the terrorism committed by China.

[Contrarian]

It won't concern Russia to have it drag on a while longer, they'll just take more ground. Its Trump who was trumpeting he could solve it in 24 hours, so for his face, he'll need to agree to whatever to get it done, IMO.

Putin doesn't care about dragging it out longer for the men, women and
children getting ground into hamburger or the old pensioners struggles
living on kopecks with the double digit inflation that eats a hole out of
their lives?

Maybe they should drag it out for a few more years, maybe they will gain
another couple KM of dirt.

Trump knows he will be judged very publicly on the final deal, not whether
it happens in the next days. He could send several hundred F16's* to Poland
tomorrow with AMRAAM missiles, not 4 jets over a period of 18 months
like Biden did.

*Ukraine has 200 pilots trained to fly the F-16
Source
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ukraine-now-has-hundreds-f-16-fighter-pilots-213364/

First you complain about people getting killed in the war, and then you want the USA to give more weapons of war to Ukraine so that more people will get killed. Go figure. 

[Contrarian]

It will take at least 2 or more generations before there can be any semblance of 'peace' between these two nations. Not after this.

Regardless of any final negotiated terms and conditions both sides ultimately agree upon, I anticipate a prolonged ceasefire but with a lingering contempt on both sides.

As long as Ukrainian media is controlled by the West and honest Ukrainian journalists are threatened and must move to another country, no doubt.

Eventually when Russian media is seen as being more reliable perhaps Ukrainians will start to open back up. No doubt it will take time. 

[2tallbill]

First you complain about people getting killed in the war, and then you want the USA to give more weapons of war to Ukraine so that more people will get killed. Go figure. 

Tell me boy-genius how sending 200-300 F16's to Poland causes a single
death? Do you think Poland is going to start killing people with F16's?

Don't send me a bunch of insulting PM's

[Contrarian]

First you complain about people getting killed in the war, and then you want the USA to give more weapons of war to Ukraine so that more people will get killed. Go figure. 

Tell me boy-genius how sending 200-300 F16's to Poland causes a single
death? Do you think Poland is going to start killing people with F16's?

What would be the purpose of sending 200 F16's to Poland? Clearly you think they should be used, this is why you included the link that Ukraine has 200 F16 pilots.

And Poland has sent mercenaries to Ukraine to try to kill Russians, so that statement does not really follow. Many of those mercs failed though.

Hopefully there will be a permanent peace agreement within 90 days and Ukraine can start rebuilding itself.

[Texan77]

Actually, the war in Ukraine is likely saving lives. It is apparent that Russia wants more than Ukraine and the war is draining resources Russian resources with a minimum of loss of life compared to other wars Russia is likely to want start. The war does not end with Ukraine if Russia wins. This is why Trump is willing to send more weapons to Ukraine as he knows this now. It is not western propaganda; Russian TV often talks about which countries will be next. Poland is gearing up for war because they know Russian TV often talks about them being next.  It may not be Putin saying it, but it is said with Putin Blessing. The former president of Russia often says it too. This is what they will do if they are powerful enough. In fact, Poland may soon be the best equipped land army in the EU. That is why the hundreds of f-16 fighters to them. You really think the polish government is stupid? They see thru Russian propaganda and see Russia for what it really is.

Trump wants to freeze the war but, Putin has not lost enough Russian lives and enough damage to the Russian economy to want to do this yet. Trump says a deal when both sides give up something they really want. At this point, Putin does not seem to be willing to give up anything. So, Trump has said in his campaign that he will arm Ukraine to the point Russia will want a deal. Trump has promised to send many more weapons than weak Bidden sent to achieve this. You ought to know what the campaign promises of the person you voted for are. 

[2tallbill]

What would be the purpose of sending 200 F16's to Poland? Clearly you think they should be used, this is why you included the link that Ukraine has 200 F16 pilots.

And Poland has sent mercenaries to Ukraine to try to kill Russians, so that statement does not really follow. Many of those mercs failed though.

Hopefully there will be a permanent peace agreement within 90 days and Ukraine can start rebuilding itself.

F16 transfer to Poland would be hopefully only a chess piece move,
hopefully they are never used in anger. If Putin thinks there is no
potential downside to keep grinding people into hamburger like Manny
suggested, then Putin might continue to do so.

I would even suggest NOT making a public statement about the
F16's transfer. The Kremlin would know they are there, it might make
them think that maybe peace is worth taking a look at.

I want the war to end, I want the killing on both sides to stop. I want both
sides to think that peace is the best solution. I really want your post in bold
to become reality.

[Manny]

It is apparent that Russia wants more than Ukraine

 

Yahoo and MSN strike again.

[dorbradavid]

First you complain about people getting killed in the war, and then you want the USA to give more weapons of war to Ukraine so that more people will get killed. Go figure. 

Tell me boy-genius how sending 200-300 F16's to Poland causes a single
death? Do you think Poland is going to start killing people with F16's?

Don't send me a bunch of insulting PM's

Link? 

[2tallbill]

Link? 

All I have is a link for the 200 fighter pilots trained on the F16
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ukraine-now-has-hundreds-f-16-fighter-pilots-213364/

[dorbradavid]

What say you?

Think N/S Korea. 

[Texan77]

It is apparent that Russia wants more than Ukraine

 

Yahoo and MSN strike again.

Yea that is what you thought for years when I expressed the thought Russia might invade Ukraine. Obvously that never happened.

[2tallbill]

Think N/S Korea. 

American troops will be posted in a base there for 60 years?
I am 99% sure that's not what the Kremlin (or Trump) wants.

[Wiz]

Think N/S Korea. 

American troops will be posted in a base there for 60 years?
I am 99% sure that's not what the Kremlin (or Trump) wants.

Trump threatens: Zelensky is no angel, Ukraine is destroyed – Ultimatum to the 110th Brigade in Velyka Novosilka

Mod Edit: Translation from Greek by GPT:

Trump threatens Putin for the third consecutive day - What does it mean? - The two scenarios being considered behind the scenes - The Ukrainian 110th Brigade in Velyka Novosilka receives an ultimatum from the Russian army to surrender!

While the situation on the front lines goes from bad to worse for the Ukrainian army—where the Russians have even issued an ultimatum for the Ukrainians to surrender in Velyka Novosilka in southern Donetsk—a tactical game of threats and bluffs is unfolding on the diplomatic stage.

US President Trump has threatened Russia for the third day in a row while simultaneously stating that Zelensky is "no angel."

Trump’s threats against Russia are perceived as a bluff designed to bring Russia to the negotiation table with Ukraine.

Trump also mentioned that he would soon meet with Putin.

At the same time, three NATO countries are prepared to send 40,000 troops as a force to guarantee a ceasefire, though Russia opposes the idea.

Meanwhile, as Ukraine and Russia are supposedly preparing for negotiations, the Ukrainian parliament has passed a law reducing the minimum conscription age to 18, signaling preparations for a continuation of the war.

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