RIP former president J. Carter

[AvHdB]

Jimmy Carter was born on October 1, 1924, in Plains, Georgia, and rose from humble beginnings as a peanut farmer to become the 39th President of the United States. Carter, a graduate of the United States Naval Academy, worked as a naval officer before entering politics. He was elected as Georgia’s Governor in 1971 and served until 1975. Carter’s rise to the presidency in 1976 coincided with a period of national disillusionment following the Vietnam War and the Watergate scandal.

The above from one of the obituaries.

While I have a negative opinion of his presidency what he accomplished post presidency is a standard that few former Presidents have achieved.

[Contrarian]

You beat me to it!

Over time I gained a positive view of Jimmy Carter's presidency. His main accomplishment was the historic Camp David Accords, which led to a Peace agreement between Israel and Egypt. I suspect that Carter was one of the few, if only, statesmen with the patience and intelligence to successfully reach such an agreement. He won the Nobel Peace prize back in 2002, he probably should have been awarded it in 1978.

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"The Camp David Accords were the result of 14 months of diplomatic efforts by Egypt, Israel, and the United States that began after Jimmy Carter became president.[4] The efforts initially focused on a comprehensive resolution of disputes between Israel and the Arab countries, gradually evolving into a search for a bilateral agreement between Israel and Egypt."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_David_Accords

Carter is faulted with inflation, yet the tsunami of events prior to him becoming President is what let to the inflation.

I certainly agree that his accomplishments after leaving office are impressive.

Rest in Peace, Jimmy Carter.

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[B.B.]

RIP, but let's not kid ourselves - Jimmy "The Original Miserable Failure" Carter was a sanctimonious little asshat who never passed up the opportunity to "remind" everyone that he was a backyard carpenter with the initials "J.C."  He had a bitter streak a mile wide about Regain who CRUSHED Carter by a margin of 440 Electoral votes and then went on to do the same thing to Mondale, only worse.

His presidency was a disaster - malaise at home, humiliation abroad - and Carter the Martyr was the Friend of America's Enemies (The PRC, Castro, the Sandinistas) and the Enemy of her Friends (Taiwan, the Shah).  He only won the Nobel Peace Prize - and the chairman of the selection committee admitted this -as a "kick in the leg" to George W. Bush.  But hey, it is how it is.

B/B

[Contrarian]

RIP, but let's not kid ourselves - Jimmy "The Original Miserable Failure" Carter was a sanctimonious little asshat who never passed up the opportunity to "remind" everyone that he was a backyard carpenter with the initials "J.C."  He had a bitter streak a mile wide about Regain who CRUSHED Carter by a margin of 440 Electoral votes and then went on to do the same thing to Mondale, only worse.

His presidency was a disaster - malaise at home, humiliation abroad - and Carter the Martyr was the Friend of America's Enemies (The PRC, Castro, the Sandinistas) and the Enemy of her Friends (Taiwan, the Shah).  He only won the Nobel Peace Prize - and the chairman of the selection committee admitted this -as a "kick in the leg" to George W. Bush.  But hey, it is how it is.

B/B

Name one other President who would have had the patience to negotiate with Israel for 14 months. Take your time. Menachem Begin didn't want to make a deal with Egypt, he kept finding a way not to. Carter had immense patience and was a shrewd negotiator and got a Peace deal.

Seems to me he had good reason to make a joke about being a carpenter and having the initials J.C. 

And Reagan did attend the opening of the Carter Center and made a good speech in support of it. 

[B.B.]

Name one other President who would have had the patience to negotiate with Israel for 14 months.

Nixon. 

Trump got 5 Arab/Muslim majority countries to sign peace treaties with Israel.  And before you say "That would not have been possible without The Camp David Accords, sure, but the Camp David Accords would not have been possible without The Sinai II Agreement etc. 

So Carter was a great president for Israel.  But let's turn our attention to "economic miracle" that the Carter economy was.  You can start at any time.

Even if we spot Carter the CDA, then what?  Backstabbing the Shahh, our most steadfast ally in the Muslim world, was a DISASTER that we have been paying for for 4.5 Decades. 

What did he get in exchange for switching recognition from Taiwan to the PRC?  Not even a handful of magic beans. 

Why did he send $$$ to the Sandinistas?  He was simply incompetent. 

B/B

[2tallbill]

Name one other President who would have had the patience to negotiate with Israel for 14 months. Take your time. Menachem Begin didn't want to make a deal with Egypt, he kept finding a way not to. Carter had immense patience and was a shrewd negotiator and got a Peace deal.

Who fooking cares?

If you made more than $100K, tax rate went up to 70%.
Double digit unemployment
Double digit inflation
He came up with baseline budgeting
The national speed limit was 55 mph. The gas price went up 100%
during his term. Gas stations ran out of gas. There were lines at gas stations
that went on for blocks. 

And Reagan did attend the opening of the Carter Center and made a good speech in support of it.

If you beat a football team 44-6, you shake hands and say "good game"
That doesn't mean they played a good game. If he passes out free
turkeys on Thanksgiving you say "Oh isn't that nice, I'm in support
of that." That doesn't mean that you thought he was competent at
something/anything. 

As a president he sucked. That doesn't mean I am dancing around happy
that he's dead. He was an incompetent president for 4 years, he was
something else for the other 96 years.

He wasn't a total f#ckup for 96 years of his 100 years.

[Contrarian]

Name one other President who would have had the patience to negotiate with Israel for 14 months.

Nixon. 

Trump got 5 Arab/Muslim majority countries to sign peace treaties with Israel.  And before you say "That would not have been possible without The Camp David Accords, sure, but the Camp David Accords would not have been possible without The Sinai II Agreement etc. 

So Carter was a great president for Israel.  But let's turn our attention to "economic miracle" that the Carter economy was.  You can start at any time.

Even if we spot Carter the CDA, then what?  Backstabbing the Shahh, our most steadfast ally in the Muslim world, was a DISASTER that we have been paying for for 4.5 Decades. 

What did he get in exchange for switching recognition from Taiwan to the PRC?  Not even a handful of magic beans. 

Why did he send $$$ to the Sandinistas?  He was simply incompetent. 

B/B

Could you give me a link to an article or some more information on the Shah in a different thread? I would be interested about that.

Well the guy just passed away so I was trying to be positive. The 55 mph speed limit and the gas lines were very annoying. The economy wasn't his strong suite, and that's probably why Reagan clobbered him. 

May he still RIP.

[Contrarian]

If you beat a football team 44-6, you shake hands and say "good game"
That doesn't mean they played a good game.

Sort of like the Eagles vs. Cowboys game on Sunday, huh.

[Contrarian]

Jonathan Turley weighs in and drops the mic on dementia Joe and his sycophants.

https://jonathanturley.org/2024/12/30/the-passing-and-lessons-of-jimmy-carter/

[2tallbill]

If you beat a football team 44-6, you shake hands and say "good game"
That doesn't mean they played a good game.

Sort of like the Eagles vs. Cowboys game on Sunday, huh.

Very similar, except an Eagles fan doesn't shake your hand they call
you Muthertr#cker, then throw batteries and snowballs at the players on
the field.

[Contrarian]

If you beat a football team 44-6, you shake hands and say "good game"
That doesn't mean they played a good game.

Sort of like the Eagles vs. Cowboys game on Sunday, huh.

Very similar, except an Eagles fan doesn't shake your hand they call
you Muthertr#cker, then throw batteries and snowballs at the players on
the field.

Sounds brutal, no wonder you are looking forward to the draft. 

[B.B.]

If you beat a football team 44-6, you shake hands and say "good game"
That doesn't mean they played a good game.

Sort of like the Eagles vs. Cowboys game on Sunday, huh.

Very similar, except an Eagles fan doesn't shake your hand they call
you Muthertr#cker, then throw batteries and snowballs at the players on
the field.

Sounds brutal, no wonder you are looking forward to the draft. 

I don't know if this is the case at the new stadium, but there was a city court at the old stadium because they would have so many arrests during Iggles games that they just processed them right there.  And really, Iggles fans snowballed Santa Claus TWICE.

B/B

[Contrarian]

This decision was actually the worst thing Carter did, in my opinion. Taking aways the Olympics from all of our hardworking athletes was very foolish. Athletes should never be used as political pawns, yet that is exactly what was done. I can think of at least one athlete who I really looked up to, who likely would have won an Olympic medal. Instead the opportunity was taken away from him. Very bad decision.

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"While athletes were hailed as patriots and praised for their sacrifice, that was little consolation for the harsh reality of Olympic sports.

With the Games held once every four years, most athletes get only one shot when they’re in their prime. Four years earlier and they’re probably too young. Four years later and they’re probably too old.

The boycott meant hundreds of athletes missed out on the opportunity to be recognized by the entire world as the best in the sports to which they’d devoted their entire lives. Given this was still in the days before professionals could compete in the Olympics, those athletes who would have won medals lost out on post-Games economic opportunities, including lucrative speaking engagements for which they’d still be in demand long after their days as an athlete had ended."


https://www.yahoo.com/news/president-jimmy-carter-made-wrong-230121775.html

[B.B.]

This decision was actually the worst thing Carter did, in my opinion.

While it does show what a sanctimonious douche he could be, it is far from the worst thing he did as president.

1.  Fcking over the Shah - this led, directly, to 45 years (and counting) of a low-grade terrorist war being fought by Iran against the USA, as well as Iran destabilizing the Middle East.  Oh, and they are getting close to a nuke, now.  Nice work, Jimmy!

2.  Having fcked up w/Iran once, he did it again by not doing shit about the hostage crisis other than that ineffectual "Desert 1" (or whatever it was called) rescue mission that basically needed a rescue mission to come rescue them after they made it hundreds of feet into Iranian airspace.  What Carter should have done was what Reagan said he was going to do, which was basically figure out how long it would take to get the military in place to fck Iran up and then tell them they have that long to deliver the hostages, unharmed to a neutral country before we bomb them even further back into the Stone Age then they already are. 

What Carter actually did was...and I am not making this up...refuse to light up the White House Christmas tree until the hostages were released.  I am sure terrorists everywhere were pissing their pants over this...only with laughter.

3.  The Jimmy Carter Economic Miracle.

4.  Changing recognition to the PRC without getting anything in return.  Stupid.  Way to fck over one of our allies for No.  Fcking.  Reason.

5.  Carter left our military weak, our enemies strong and our economy broken.  He was a disaster from start to finish, which why he got his ass handed to him so badly in 1980.  The worst electoral defeat by an incumbent president in history.  Put another way, Herbert "Great Depression" Hoover got more electoral votes than Carter did.

B/B

[Bodine]

RIP. 96 out of 100 is still a great average. Find peace. Find Rosalyn and eternal happiness.

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While it does show what a sanctimonious douche he could be, it is far from the worst thing he did as president.

1.  Fcking over the Shah - this led, directly, to 45 years (and counting) of a low-grade terrorist war being fought by Iran against the USA, as well as Iran destabilizing the Middle East.  Oh, and they are getting close to a nuke, now.  Nice work, Jimmy!

2.  Having fcked up w/Iran once, he did it again by not doing shit about the hostage crisis other than that ineffectual "Desert 1" (or whatever it was called) rescue mission that basically needed a rescue mission to come rescue them after they made it hundreds of feet into Iranian airspace.  What Carter should have done was what Reagan said he was going to do, which was basically figure out how long it would take to get the military in place to fck Iran up and then tell them they have that long to deliver the hostages, unharmed to a neutral country before we bomb them even further back into the Stone Age then they already are. 

What Carter actually did was...and I am not making this up...refuse to light up the White House Christmas tree until the hostages were released.  I am sure terrorists everywhere were pissing their pants over this...only with laughter.

3.  The Jimmy Carter Economic Miracle.

4.  Changing recognition to the PRC without getting anything in return.  Stupid.  Way to fck over one of our allies for No.  Fcking.  Reason.

5.  Carter left our military weak, our enemies strong and our economy broken.  He was a disaster from start to finish, which why he got his ass handed to him so badly in 1980.  The worst electoral defeat by an incumbent president in history.  Put another way, Herbert "Great Depression" Hoover got more electoral votes than Carter did.

B/B

As lengthy as your list here is, it barely scratches the surface of the damage Carter did to the country.  Carter had the distinction of being the worse president in the history of the USA. That is, until Obama and Bidan entered the Whitehouse. They did not lessen the Carter damage, they built upon it as did every previous president since Carter.

But, back to Carter, he was a stooge. He was placed there to do exactly what he accomplished which was destruction. Those that put him there and all of those around him escalated criminality to heights never before seen in Washington as well as demonstrated not only how easy it was to do it but, walk away from it as well.

I was raised a little over 100 miles from Plains and in a yellow dog democrat household. We cheered him on to the Whitehouse but were also some of the first to recognize what a mistake that was. In my defense the Democrat party had a different mantra then and I was young, dumb and full of c@m.

[B.B.]

As lengthy as your list here is, it barely scratches the surface of the damage Carter did to the country. 

Oh, 100%, but I was also not trying to be exhaustive.  I could have gone on about the damage he did to the intelligence services also, as an example.

Terrible president.  Only Obama (intentionally) and Biden (buffoons) are in the same league.

B/B

[2tallbill]

Jimmy Carter's passing met with mixed reactions in China, Taiwan
While “the U.S. is now Taiwan’s strong ally, [Carter and Kissinger] are the
ones who made China so difficult to deal with.

From the two of them to the Obama era, Washington’s pro-China approach
allowed China to build economic growth for decades and that’s the reason
why the Chinese Communist Party can keep bullying Taiwan,”

https://www.voanews.com/a/jimmy-carter-s-passing-met-with-mixed-reactions-in-china-taiwan/7918854.html

[Bodine]

As lengthy as your list here is, it barely scratches the surface of the damage Carter did to the country. 

Oh, 100%, but I was also not trying to be exhaustive.  I could have gone on about the damage he did to the intelligence services also, as an example.

Terrible president.  Only Obama (intentionally) and Biden (buffoons) are in the same league.

B/B

I disagree. Obama is in a league by himself. That uber moron single-handedly phucked and divided this country up! He's still trying to do it two administrations removed from DC.

I'm so glad more and more people see what a damned corrupt idiot he really is.

[2tallbill]

As lengthy as your list here is, it barely scratches the surface of the damage Carter did to the country. 

Oh, 100%, but I was also not trying to be exhaustive.  I could have gone on about the damage he did to the intelligence services also, as an example.

Terrible president.  Only Obama (intentionally) and Biden (buffoons) are in the same league.

B/B

I disagree. Obama is in a league by himself. That uber moron single-handedly phucked and divided this country up! He's still trying to do it two administrations removed from DC.

I'm so glad more and more people see what a damned corrupt idiot he really is.

My first voting election was Carter/Reagan.
Obama got reelected so he had more time to F#ck things up.

In my opinion, Woodrow Wilson (also reelected then died) was worse than
either of them.

[Contrarian]

About 2/3's of this thread should be moved elsewhere. Poor Jimmy Carter, how is he going to Rest In Peace now, with all these off topic allegations?