Russia and Syria

[Contrarian]

Thankfully, the rebels have guaranteed security for Russian military bases.

https://www.rt.com/russia/609005-syria-security-guarantee-for-russians/

[Contrarian]

Why did Syria fall so fast, and what happens next?

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"With each passing day since October 7, 2023, the contours of the regional processes unfolding in the Middle East become increasingly clear. That day – a watershed moment for the entire region – left behind a multitude of questions that remain unanswered.

One of the most formidable intelligence agencies in the world, Israel’s Mossad, failed to foresee or prevent the attack by Palestinian groups, sparking widespread astonishment.

However, beneath this shocking event lies a series of deeper processes, steadily propelling the region toward profound transformations. Mechanisms that once seemed hidden are now becoming more apparent, revealing a deliberate design to reshape those nations that long resisted Western influence and expansion.

On the morning of December 8, the region was shaken by news that, until recently, seemed unimaginable: Damascus had fallen to the forces of opposition and terrorist groups. The Ba’ath Party’s rule under President Bashar Assad has been effectively destroyed. Assad’s disappearance and the silence from official sources only amplified the sense of irreversible change."


https://www.rt.com/news/608994-damascus-fall-what-next/

[Contrarian]

[Texan77]

Thankfully, the rebels have guaranteed security for Russian military bases.

https://www.rt.com/russia/609005-syria-security-guarantee-for-russians/

Maybe the real terrorist was the Assad government? It is extremely nice of them since Russia was calling them terrorist, destroying cities they ruled and killing them ever chance they got.

[Contrarian]

[Contrarian]

[Manny]

the rebels

By "rebels", you mean head-chopping, US-financed, Muzzies, right?

There is a few credible theories being discussed on Twitter, some saying Russia threw Syria under the bus. However, does Russia need to open another front in a US proxy war? Probably not. They need to prioritise where their resources go. It seems the Syrian army wasn't too keen on fighting the Muzzies, so why should Russia do it for them?

There's two gas pipelines heading to Europe in play, one Russian-backed one that crosses Syria. And one US-backed one from Qatar that does too. As the US seeks to steal Russia's gas revenue by using supply from themselves or their proxies, control of Syria is key to that. As it is to keep control of oilfields the US stole previously. So what went on in Syria wasn't about "liberating" anyone from anything. It's about money, specifically oil and gas as usual.

There is speak of deals. Especially as Trump has been out and about talking to people in Europe, he is bound to have met a representative of Russia on the sidelines to open up a channel of communication. The theory goes something like Russia backs off Syria and the US will back off Ukraine. Further, there is speak of a deal between Russia, Israel and Turkey that has Russia keeping the Tartus base and an Alawhite rump state there. Israel gains a satellite/vassal state (Druze?) by the Golan, Turkey will have defacto control over a Kurdish region in the North East. Aleppo, Homs and Damascus will be left to the head-choppers to do what they do.

[Contrarian]

the rebels

By "rebels", you mean head-chopping, US-financed, Muzzies, right?

There is a few credible theories being discussed on Twitter, some saying Russia threw Syria under the bus. However, does Russia need to open another front in a US proxy war? Probably not. They need to prioritise where their resources go. It seems the Syrian army wasn't too keen on fighting the Muzzies, so why should Russia do it for them?

There's two gas pipelines heading to Europe in play, one Russian-backed one that crosses Syria. And one US-backed one from Qatar that does too. As the US seeks to steal Russia's gas revenue by using supply from themselves or their proxies, control of Syria is key to that. As it is to keep control of oilfields the US stole previously. So what went on in Syria wasn't about "liberating" anyone from anything. It's about money, specifically oil and gas as usual.

There is speak of deals. Especially as Trump has been out and about talking to people in Europe, he is bound to have met a representative of Russia on the sidelines to open up a channel of communication. The theory goes something like Russia backs off Syria and the US will back off Ukraine. Further, there is speak of a deal between Russia, Israel and Turkey that has Russia keeping the Tartus base and an Alawhite rump state there. Israel gains a satellite/vassal state (Druze?) by the Golan, Turkey will have defacto control over a Kurdish region in the North East. Aleppo, Homs and Damascus will be left to the head-choppers to do what they do.

Yes this appears to mostly be true, however there are a lot of expat Syrians around the World celebrating, and a lot of political prisoners who have been released from prisons. So it does appear to me that Assad had a problem being able to be nice to some of his own people.

I wrote similar to what you wrote, in the other thread about "head choppers". And it seems obvious they were financed at least in part by the USA.

Assad is likely happy to be out of there, for the most part. Russia had their hands full in Ukraine. And as you wrote, why should they do all the fighting for the Syrians? Time will tell. 

[Contrarian]

This article touches on what Manny just mentioned, ie that the US is likely funding the rebels to ousted Assad.

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"Supporters of the Syrian rebels still attempt to deny that they have Israeli and US support – despite the fact that almost a decade ago there was open Congressional testimony in the USA that, to that point, over half a billion dollars had been spent on assistance to Syrian rebel forces, and the Israelis have openly been providing medical and other services to the jihadists and effective air support.

One interesting consequence of this joint NATO/Israel support for the jihadist groups in Syria is a further perversion of domestic rule of law. To take the UK as an example, under Section 12 of the Terrorism Act it is illegal to state an opinion that supports, or may lead somebody else to support, a proscribed organisation.

The abuse of this provision by British police to persecute Palestinian supporters for allegedly encouraging support for proscribed organisations Hamas and Hezbollah is notorious, with even tangential alleged references leading to arrest. Sarah Wilkinson, Richard Medhurst, Asa Winstanley, Richard Barnard and myself are all notable victims, and the persecution has been greatly intensified by Keir Starmer.

Yet Hay’at Tahrir Al-Sham (HTS) is also a proscribed group in the UK. But both British mainstream media and British Muslim outlets have been openly promoting and praising HTS for a week – frankly much more openly than I have ever witnessed anyone in the UK support Hamas and Hezbollah – and not a single person has been arrested or even warned by UK police.

https://www.unz.com/article/the-end-of-pluralism-in-the-middle-east/

[Manny]

There were rumours that Assad's plane went down, as it vanished from radar.

It apparently landed at one of the Russian bases there, and the Russians got him out, as Assad has appeared in Russia and been granted political asylum. 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/12/9/russia-gave-asylum-to-deposed-syrian-president-al-assad-kremlin-confirms

Edit: I see >there is a topic on that already<

[Texan77]

Why would Isreal want Assad overthrown when the new government is saying they will crush Isreal and are headed to Gaza as soon. Israel has conducted over three hundred military attacks on military assets in Syria in the last few days. USA mainly supported the Kurds who were not involved in this overthrowing of Assad. It is just anything happens blame the USA. This will be an expansion of Turkey's as a regional power.

Some of the reason why Turkey wanted Assad overthrown are listed below and has been working on this for many years.

The regional power play. The Sunni Islamist government of Erdogan has always seen Shia revolutionary Iran as a regional rival. Assad, supported by Tehran, was the keystone of Iran’s arc of regional power, enabling Tehran to project power via proxy groups into neighboring Lebanon, Iraq, and the Palestinian territories. With that keystone removed, the arc has fallen, and now a Turkey-friendly Sunni Islamist group is in a position to pick up the pieces in Syria. That, says Emre Peker, lead Turkey analyst at Eurasia Group, gives Ankara a chance to “engage in a massive way in the reconstruction of Syria and expand influence and clout throughout the region.”

The Kurdish complication. For decades, Ankara has faced separatist militancy from Kurdish groups based in southeastern Turkey and has been hostile to Syrian Kurdish groups that have carved out autonomous zones of their own during the Syrian civil war. The post-Assad uncertainty has provided an opportunity for Erdgoan to use local proxies to move more forcefully against the Syrian Kurds. Still, he will have to avoid a spat with the US, which has backed Syrian Kurds as proxies in the fight against the Islamic State. Incoming US president Donald Trump has called for “staying out of” Syria, which Erdogan would welcome, but it remains to be seen whether that plays out.

And lastly, the domestic angle. Turkey is in the grip of a huge cost of living crisis, with inflation near 50%. “At a time when everyone is upset about inflation,” says Peker, “the Syria situation is a godsend because now Erdogan can strut his stuff and be the global leader he always wants to be, and people will love him for it in Turkey.”

What could go wrong? Lots.

Mod edit to add source: https://www.gzeromedia.com/middle-east/four-reasons-why-turkey-is-excited-about-the-fall-of-assad

[Texan77]

Just interesting things to know about Assad's life in Russia.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ousted-syrian-dictator-assad-smuggled-135-billion-to-russia-report/ar-AA1vD4YB?ocid=hpmsn&cvid=e7a134f7b4f049c69ec4ff899c1ba401&ei=33

[Contrarian]

Why would Isreal want Assad overthrown when the new government is saying they will crush Isreal and are headed to Gaza as soon. Israel has conducted over three hundred military attacks on military assets in Syria in the last few days. USA mainly supported the Kurds who were not involved in this overthrowing of Assad. It is just anything happens blame the USA. This will be an expansion of Turkey's as a regional power.

Some of the reason why Turkey wanted Assad overthrown are listed below and has been working on this for many years.

The regional power play. The Sunni Islamist government of Erdogan has always seen Shia revolutionary Iran as a regional rival. Assad, supported by Tehran, was the keystone of Iran’s arc of regional power, enabling Tehran to project power via proxy groups into neighboring Lebanon, Iraq, and the Palestinian territories. With that keystone removed, the arc has fallen, and now a Turkey-friendly Sunni Islamist group is in a position to pick up the pieces in Syria. That, says Emre Peker, lead Turkey analyst at Eurasia Group, gives Ankara a chance to “engage in a massive way in the reconstruction of Syria and expand influence and clout throughout the region.”

The Kurdish complication. For decades, Ankara has faced separatist militancy from Kurdish groups based in southeastern Turkey and has been hostile to Syrian Kurdish groups that have carved out autonomous zones of their own during the Syrian civil war. The post-Assad uncertainty has provided an opportunity for Erdgoan to use local proxies to move more forcefully against the Syrian Kurds. Still, he will have to avoid a spat with the US, which has backed Syrian Kurds as proxies in the fight against the Islamic State. Incoming US president Donald Trump has called for “staying out of” Syria, which Erdogan would welcome, but it remains to be seen whether that plays out.

And lastly, the domestic angle. Turkey is in the grip of a huge cost of living crisis, with inflation near 50%. “At a time when everyone is upset about inflation,” says Peker, “the Syria situation is a godsend because now Erdogan can strut his stuff and be the global leader he always wants to be, and people will love him for it in Turkey.”

What could go wrong? Lots.

The first sentence you wrote is false, check any source.

The new guys, aka the rebels known as HTS, have said that "they love Israel". In the past Israel has given medical aid to some of the Syrian rebels, and Netanyahu even met with them.

This may change of course, if Israel tries to go into Syria and stay there. The huge attack they just made was more than likely to degrade or destroy any parts remaining of Assad's military.

[Texan77]

There is more to this all the time. There is hope that the from Quatar thru Syria and Turkey to Europe pipelines now might be possible solving much of Europe's energy problems. Another big win for Turkey as they would get transit fees. As Europe would be less dependent on Iran to let ships thru the strait of Hormuz and would lower cost of fuel to Europe. From what I am reading a very lot of people in Syria did not like Assad. We will have to wait and see if Turkey's gamble will pay off, but it has possibilities.

Yea you really think Sunni Muslims have a long history of wanting to be friends with Isreal. If you do you have completely lost it. I hope they would be friends with Isreal, but I really cannot see it neither can Isreal. Isreal is bombing the hell out of Syria trying to destroy as many weapons as possible. Ukraine is hoping to buy weapons from Syria but is concern they may not be many left after Isreal gets done. That would be a really big lost for Russia if Syria would become pro Isreal. Russia is getting out of Syria now, but I expect that the new government will rent Russia the navy and air bases again soon. I still doubt that Russia will have the same influence in Syria as they did before but most likely get their bases back.   

[Contrarian]

There is more to this all the time. There is hope that the from Quatar thru Syria and Turkey to Europe pipelines now might be possible solving much of Europe's energy problems. Another big win for Turkey as they would get transit fees. As Europe would be less dependent on Iran to let ships thru the strait of Hormuz and would lower cost of fuel to Europe. From what I am reading a very lot of people in Syria did not like Assad. We will have to wait and see if Turkey's gamble will pay off, but it has possibilities.

Yea you really think Sunni Muslims have a long history of wanting to be friends with Isreal. If you do you have completely lost it. I hope they would be friends with Isreal, but I really cannot see it neither can Isreal. Isreal is bombing the hell out of Syria trying to destroy as many weapons as possible. Ukraine is hoping to buy weapons from Syria but is concern they may not be many left after Isreal gets done. That would be a really big lost for Russia if Syria would become pro Isreal. Russia is getting out of Syria now, but I expect that the new government will rent Russia the navy and air bases again soon. I still doubt that Russia will have the same influence in Syria as they did before but most likely get their bases back.

You are clueless as usual. No hope for you, but others can read and understand.

Al-Qaeda-linked ‘rebels’ in Syria say they ‘love Israel’. USA gave them billions in weapons & support

The US spent billions over years arming and training militants in Syria, many linked to Al-Qaeda and ISIS. The extremist “rebels” who took over the country told the Israeli media they “love Israel”.

https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2024/12/06/al-qaeda-rebels-syria-israel-usa/


Netanyahu claims credit for process which led to downfall of Syria

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-hails-assads-fall-says-israel-has-taken-buffer-zone-as-50-year-deal-has-collapsed/

[Contrarian]

Operation Timber Sycamore: CIA support for Syrian rebels
After violent protests broke out in Syria in 2011, the United States began to flood the country with weapons.

The CIA launched a covert program to arm and train rebel groups attempting to overthrow the Syrian government. The Washington Post reported in 2015 that this initiative had “a budget approaching $1 billion a year”, meaning that “Syria-related operations account for about $1 of every $15 in the CIA’s overall budget”.

This CIA program, called Operation Timber Sycamore, was, in the words of the New York Times, “one of the most expensive efforts to arm and train rebels since the agency’s program arming the mujahedeen in Afghanistan during the 1980s”, which was known as Operation Cyclone.

https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2024/12/06/al-qaeda-rebels-syria-israel-usa/

[Wiz]

Thankfully, the rebels have guaranteed security for Russian military bases.

https://www.rt.com/russia/609005-syria-security-guarantee-for-russians/

Maybe the real terrorist was the Assad government? It is extremely nice of them since Russia was calling them terrorist, destroying cities they ruled and killing them ever chance they got.

It is very clear who the real terrorist country is... the USA who supplied the Isis terorists with billions of dollars, as stated on this and other threads.

May I remind you who started the war in Korea,just after WWII and contined invading and destroing many countries like Vietnam, Cambodia,  etc

Here is a list of the ontries invaded by USA, the biggest terrorist country on the world.!

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/heres-a-list-of-all-the-countries-the-us-has-bombed-since-world-war-ii-172786/

Here’s a list of all the countries the US has bombed since World War II

and reading your comments about Syria noticed that you confirmed of which country financially supported the ISIS in Syrria.

USA Has been and still is the biggest terrorist country on the world, according to your own posts. guided by its master....Israel and its leader Netanahu!

[AvHdB]

May I remind you who started the war in Korea . . .

True to form our dear Wiz posts his flatulent hatred of all things Jewish and American. But he again proves his ignorance of history, past and recent.

Carry on if it is good therapy for your conscience.

[Wiz]

May I remind you who started the war in Korea . . .

True to form our dear Wiz posts his flatulent hatred of all things Jewish and American. But he again proves his ignorance of history, past and recent.

Carry on if it is good therapy for your conscience.

Can you please prove me wrong and dispute my posts with your evidence......
instead of posting crap?

Here is a test for you to answer!

How many Army and other bases has USA around the world and what is their real purpose.?

Also how many Jews have participatied in most USA goverments after WWII???

Finnaly can you tel us who is controling the mass media in the USA???

Before posting any crap make sure you answer my questions!

Then try to do the same for Russia ...if you know.........and Ukraine.

Have a nice day!

[Texan77]

Operation Timber Sycamore: CIA support for Syrian rebels
After violent protests broke out in Syria in 2011, the United States began to flood the country with weapons.

The CIA launched a covert program to arm and train rebel groups attempting to overthrow the Syrian government. The Washington Post reported in 2015 that this initiative had “a budget approaching $1 billion a year”, meaning that “Syria-related operations account for about $1 of every $15 in the CIA’s overall budget”.

This CIA program, called Operation Timber Sycamore, was, in the words of the New York Times, “one of the most expensive efforts to arm and train rebels since the agency’s program arming the mujahedeen in Afghanistan during the 1980s”, which was known as Operation Cyclone.

https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2024/12/06/al-qaeda-rebels-syria-israel-usa/

Try current news not anciend history, The days of Obama are long gone.

[Contrarian]

Operation Timber Sycamore: CIA support for Syrian rebels
After violent protests broke out in Syria in 2011, the United States began to flood the country with weapons.

The CIA launched a covert program to arm and train rebel groups attempting to overthrow the Syrian government. The Washington Post reported in 2015 that this initiative had “a budget approaching $1 billion a year”, meaning that “Syria-related operations account for about $1 of every $15 in the CIA’s overall budget”.

This CIA program, called Operation Timber Sycamore, was, in the words of the New York Times, “one of the most expensive efforts to arm and train rebels since the agency’s program arming the mujahedeen in Afghanistan during the 1980s”, which was known as Operation Cyclone.

https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2024/12/06/al-qaeda-rebels-syria-israel-usa/

Try current news not anciend history, The days of Obama are long gone.

Obama not being President doesn't matter. The point is that it was the CIA who financed the overthrow of Assad. The seeds were planted back when Obama was President and they came to fruition under Biden.

https://www.unz.com/pescobar/death-of-a-nation-black-flags-massacres-land-grabs-as-vultures-feed-on-the-carcass-of-syria/

[mhr7]

Operation Timber Sycamore: CIA support for Syrian rebels
After violent protests broke out in Syria in 2011, the United States began to flood the country with weapons.

The CIA launched a covert program to arm and train rebel groups attempting to overthrow the Syrian government. The Washington Post reported in 2015 that this initiative had “a budget approaching $1 billion a year”, meaning that “Syria-related operations account for about $1 of every $15 in the CIA’s overall budget”.

This CIA program, called Operation Timber Sycamore, was, in the words of the New York Times, “one of the most expensive efforts to arm and train rebels since the agency’s program arming the mujahedeen in Afghanistan during the 1980s”, which was known as Operation Cyclone.

https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2024/12/06/al-qaeda-rebels-syria-israel-usa/

Try current news not anciend history, The days of Obama are long gone.

Obama not being President doesn't matter. The point is that it was the CIA who financed the overthrow of Assad. The seeds were planted back when Obama was President and they came to fruition under Biden.

https://www.unz.com/pescobar/death-of-a-nation-black-flags-massacres-land-grabs-as-vultures-feed-on-the-carcass-of-syria/

The Unz Review is an American website and blog, founded and edited by far-right activist and Holocaust denier Ron Unz. It is known for its publication of far-right, conspiracy theory, white nationalist, antisemitic writings and pro-Russia propaganda.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unz_Review

 

Only you could find a source so despicable. You have some real problems.

[Texan77]

WOW what a piece of garbage article. You read every piece of hate America crap you can find. How come the article does not say anything about Turkey interest in this? Maybe because it is extremely slanted propaganda against the USA?  If Trump was president, you would be bragging about how Trump brought peace to the middle east after decades of war.

[Contrarian]

Operation Timber Sycamore: CIA support for Syrian rebels
After violent protests broke out in Syria in 2011, the United States began to flood the country with weapons.

The CIA launched a covert program to arm and train rebel groups attempting to overthrow the Syrian government. The Washington Post reported in 2015 that this initiative had “a budget approaching $1 billion a year”, meaning that “Syria-related operations account for about $1 of every $15 in the CIA’s overall budget”.

This CIA program, called Operation Timber Sycamore, was, in the words of the New York Times, “one of the most expensive efforts to arm and train rebels since the agency’s program arming the mujahedeen in Afghanistan during the 1980s”, which was known as Operation Cyclone.

https://geopoliticaleconomy.com/2024/12/06/al-qaeda-rebels-syria-israel-usa/

Try current news not anciend history, The days of Obama are long gone.

Obama not being President doesn't matter. The point is that it was the CIA who financed the overthrow of Assad. The seeds were planted back when Obama was President and they came to fruition under Biden.

https://www.unz.com/pescobar/death-of-a-nation-black-flags-massacres-land-grabs-as-vultures-feed-on-the-carcass-of-syria/

I am an imbecile who cannot make a decent point by point argument against facts contained in the article, so I poison the well by posting Marxist claptrap whining.

FTFY lemming.

[AvHdB]

May I remind you who started the war in Korea . . .

True to form our dear Wiz posts his flatulent hatred of all things Jewish and American. But he again proves his ignorance of history, past and recent.

Carry on if it is good therapy for your conscience.

Can you please prove me wrong and dispute my posts with your evidence......
instead of posting crap?

Your own words are evidence of you hatred and bigotry.

Having a discussion with you is alike to a discussion that I actually had that Guernica was painted before the Night Watch. I do not have the ambition or energy to dispute this with you.