Sneaky Russians: Team Biden is trying to stop them from election interference

[2tallbill]

Biden administration announces major actions to tackle Russian efforts to influence 2024 election
The Biden administration announced a sweeping set of actions to tackle a
major Russian government-backed effort to influence the 2024 US presidential election on Wednesday, including unveiling criminal charges against two Russian nationals, sanctions on 10 individuals and entities, and the seizure of 32 internet domains.

https://lite.cnn.com/2024/09/04/politics/biden-administration-accuse-russia-election-influence-efforts/index.html

[Markje]

Biden administration announces major actions to tackle Russian efforts to influence 2024 election
The Biden administration announced a sweeping set of actions to tackle a
major Russian government-backed effort to influence the 2024 US presidential election on Wednesday, including unveiling criminal charges against two Russian nationals, sanctions on 10 individuals and entities, and the seizure of 32 internet domains.

https://lite.cnn.com/2024/09/04/politics/biden-administration-accuse-russia-election-influence-efforts/index.html

Thats too bad for Kamala, last I heard Putin would love to work with her because of her winning smile.
(no joke)

https://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/753157030/poetin-spreekt-steun-uit-voor-harris-ze-lacht-zo-aanstekelijk

Putin pointed out that Biden is no longer a candidate and has expressed support for his Vice President Harris. “So we support her too,” claimed the Russian leader, whose regime has an extremely tense relationship with the Biden administration. “She laughs so contagiously. That shows that everything is good with her.”

[2tallbill]

Thats too bad for Kamala, last I heard Putin would love to work with her because of her winning smile.
(no joke)

Putin pointed out that Biden is no longer a candidate and has expressed support for his Vice President Harris. “So we support her too,” claimed the Russian leader, whose regime has an extremely tense relationship with the Biden administration. “She laughs so contagiously. That shows that everything is good with her.”

Hahaha!

Team crooked Biden isn't interested in sneaky Russians. They want to
investigate/prosecute people with popular podcasts that they don't like.

[Millaa]

An FSB agent walks into a corporate party at the White House... !

[2tallbill]

Thats too bad for Kamala, last I heard Putin would love to work with her because of her winning smile.
(no joke)

Putin pointed out that Biden is no longer a candidate and has expressed support for his Vice President Harris. “So we support her too,” claimed the Russian leader, whose regime has an extremely tense relationship with the Biden administration. “She laughs so contagiously. That shows that everything is good with her.”

Hahaha!

Team crooked Biden isn't interested in sneaky Russians. They want to
investigate/prosecute people with popular podcasts that they don't like.

I was laughing at Putin making fun of Biden/Kamel Toe, not something else.

[Manny]

the seizure of 32 internet domains.

Perish the thought websites they don't like might exist.

[Bodine]

the seizure of 32 internet domains.

Perish the thought websites they don't like might exist.

Speaking of election interference, Joe Rogan's 2201 episode was with Robert Epstein that covered internet searches and sites that are geared to politically 'interfere' with ephemeral information discriminant distribution.

It has been proven so successful that it can literally use towards the financial sector.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2GRJYz6ZMtVlUfqaqhro5o

Listen at your discretion. For those amongst you that are tech savvy, this is likely more than just a 'curious broadcast'.

[Bodine]

Speaking of election interference, Joe Rogan's 2201 episode was with Robert Epstein that covered internet searches and sites that are geared to politically 'interfere' with ephemeral information discriminant distribution.

It has been proven so successful that it can literally use towards the financial sector.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2GRJYz6ZMtVlUfqaqhro5o

Listen at your discretion. For those amongst you that are tech savvy, this is likely more than just a 'curious broadcast'.

Links for the above...

https://techwatchproject.org/home-page/

https://joerogan.techwatchproject.org/home-page

[B.B.]

the seizure of 32 internet domains.

Perish the thought websites they don't like might exist.

And yet you are silent on Russian interference in Ukraine, seizure of Ukrainian territory, or maybe Viktor Yushchenko intentionally poisoned himself with dioxin to frame poor, innocent Putin?

B/B

[AvHdB]

the seizure of 32 internet domains.

Perish the thought websites they don't like might exist.

And yet you are silent on Russian interference in Ukraine, seizure of Ukrainian territory, or maybe Viktor Yushchenko intentionally poisoned himself with dioxin to frame poor, innocent Putin?

B/B

 

[Markje]

the seizure of 32 internet domains.

Perish the thought websites they don't like might exist.

And yet you are silent on Russian interference in Ukraine, seizure of Ukrainian territory, or maybe Viktor Yushchenko intentionally poisoned himself with dioxin to frame poor, innocent Putin?

B/B

Nah, it was suspected Yanukovich (prime suspect), but the case was never resolved.

From RFE/RL (RFE/RL has been declared an "undesirable organization" by the Russian government.)

Yushchenko's supporters immediately pointed to Yanukovych as the likely suspect, and accused Moscow of providing the dioxin.

The Yanukovych camp vigorously denied the charges. Some questioned whether there was in fact any real evidence to suggest Yushchenko had been poisoned.

At the peak of the Orange Revolution protests in December, Yushchenko announced he would soon have proof his opponents had attempted to assassinate him. The proof, however, never materialized.

[AvHdB]

. . . it was suspected Yanukovich (prime suspect), but the case was never resolved.

Usually it is hard to prosecute a case when the prime suspect is hibernating, in Russia.

[Markje]

. . . it was suspected Yanukovich (prime suspect), but the case was never resolved.

Usually it is hard to prosecute a case when the prime suspect is hibernating, in Russia.

At that time he wasn't , only since 2014 or so. This event took place in 2006.

[andrewfi]

Dioxins are not tools of assassination. They have long term effects, such as causing cancer.

Short-term exposure of humans to high levels of dioxins may result in skin lesions, such as chloracne and patchy darkening of the skin, and altered liver function. Long-term exposure is linked to impairment of the immune system, the developing nervous system, the endocrine system and reproductive functions.

Chronic exposure of animals to dioxins has resulted in several types of cancer. TCDD was evaluated by the WHO’s International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) in 1997 and 2012. Based on animal and human epidemiology data, TCDD was classified by IARC as a known human carcinogen. However, TCDD does not affect genetic material and there is a level of exposure below which cancer risk would be negligible.

Due to the omnipresence of dioxins, all people have background exposure and a certain level of dioxins in the body, leading to the so-called body burden. Current normal background exposure is not expected to affect human health on average. However, due to the high toxic potential of this class of compounds, efforts are needed to reduce current background exposure.

The developing fetus is most sensitive to dioxin exposure. Newborns, with rapidly developing organ systems, may also be more vulnerable to certain effects. Some people or groups of people may be exposed to higher levels of dioxins because of their diet (such as high consumers of fish in certain parts of the world) or their occupation (such as workers in the pulp and paper industry, in incineration plants, and at hazardous waste sites).

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/dioxins-and-their-effects-on-human-health#:~:text=Short%2Dterm%20exposure%20of%20humans,endocrine%20system%20and%20reproductive%20functions.

I remember posting about this ages ago. Yushchenko may have suffered dioxin poisoning, but it was not an assassination attempt, which, given the circumstances, probably rules out anyone who might have wanted him dead. Thus, his election opponents were unlikely to have administered the compound. As I recall from the time, it would have been hard to administer the quantities required to cause the visible effects without Yushchenko knowing about it (eating or drinking the stuff—it has a nasty taste in large quantities). If a dioxin compound was used against the bloke, it would have been administered in relatively small amounts over an extended period. That's similar to the way that arsenic was used historically. Arsenic was used because it caused weakness and general illness, leading to early death.

However, if a long-term process was envisaged, arsenic itself would have been a better candidate because it does result in death. Both compounds are detectable after death and by analysis during life, but arsenic can be relied upon to kill the victim. Cancer might or might not end up with death—if it even occurs in the first place.

[B.B.]

Dioxins are not tools of assassination.

Kindly point out where I said it was an assassination attempt. 

The point was not to kill Yuschenko - that would have been a bridge to far, at that time anyway, but it was to make him ugly - Yuschenko was a halfway handsome man, prior to his poisoning, which resulted in chloracne and subsequent scarring - and to inflict psychological harm on him. 

Oh, and the men believed to have been involved fled to Russia which was, no doubt, [Heavy Sarcastic Overtones] totally innocent and not at all suspiciously like what a guilty person would do if they were (wrongly!) suspected of carrying out the will of Janukovich/Putin by poisoning the pro-Western presidential candidate. [/Heavy Sarcastic Overtones]

{Lots of science-y words intended to "disprove" an augment that was not made.}

Continuing....

Yushchenko may have suffered dioxin poisoning...

He did actually suffer dioxin poisoning.  This is a fact and not up for debate. 

His blood was tested and, in 2004, he was found to have dixoin levels in his blood at 50,000 x the levels found in the general population.  This means it was of such purity that it was created in a laboratory.  It was also introduced to his system intentionally - this is not the sort of thing that happens by accident.

Moral: When having dinner with political opponents in Ukraine, skip the soup course.

but it was not an assassination attempt, which, given the circumstances, probably rules out anyone who might have wanted him dead.

The point was to attempt to make him unelectable, or at least less electable.

Thus, his election opponents were unlikely to have administered the compound.

You're assuming they wanted him dead, rather than just neutralized.  "Dead" would be far more likely cause a public outcry and backlash - although it was undoubtedly consider - but this would not benefit pro-Russian candidates.  

As I recall from the time, it would have been hard to administer the quantities required to cause the visible effects without Yushchenko knowing about it (eating or drinking the stuff—it has a nasty taste in large quantities). If a dioxin compound was used against the bloke, it would have been administered in relatively small amounts over an extended period. That's similar to the way that arsenic was used historically.

Unless it was manufactured in a laboratory by people who knew what they were doing to be highly concentrated and therefore not requiring large dosages.

However, if a long-term process was envisaged, arsenic itself would have been a better candidate because it does result in death.

If you were trying to kill him, but that does not seem to have been the goal.  Similarly, if you were trying to kill him using arsenic would not be such a great idea because it remains in the body after death and is easily detected.  People would KNOW he was murdered.  Not a great look.

If one wanted to actually kill him then better to introduce smth that would be undetectable or become so over time, such as (as I understand it) insulin.

B/B

[Markje]

Similarly, if you were trying to kill him using arsenic would not be such a great idea because it remains in the body after death and is easily detected.  People would KNOW he was murdered.  Not a great look.

If one wanted to actually kill him then better to introduce smth that would be undetectable or become so over time, such as (as I understand it) insulin.

B/B

Do you want to argue that it was not the Ru-Gov't that tried to kill/poison him then? Because the Ru-Gov't always makes it a point to kill someone without being involved with huge signs that it was them (killing yourself by shooting yourself in the head... at least twice. Or some rare form of radioactive poison only the Ru-Gov't has ... you get the idea.)

[andrewfi]

To be clear, I was referring to the claims made at the time, not fantasies. The historical record shows that the initial accusations were of an assassination attempt, though this was unlikely to succeed. It was only later, when that narrative didn't hold, that the suggestion of a disfigurement attempt surfaced.

After reviewing various documents on dioxin ingestion, it’s clear there are many cases. However, chloracne is not an inevitable outcome of dioxin poisoning, making it an unreliable method for causing disfigurement.

Wikipedia still lists the event as an assassination attempt, but we now know it was unlikely to succeed. Viktor Yushchenko suggested that his political colleague, Davyd Zhvania, was involved. Zhvania remained in Ukraine and died in 2022 due to Russian shelling. The main suspect, Volodymyr Satsyuk, fled to Russia but returned to Ukraine in 2011, where he was removed from the suspect list. As far as we know, Satsyuk still resides in Ukraine.

Was it a political act? Probably. But based on the evidence, it seems more likely to have been an internal political conflict, carried out by individuals who lacked knowledge of the compound used or its effects. This casts doubt on the hypothesis that it was a state-sponsored attack.

In conclusion, something did happen—dioxin was likely the weapon used. However, it’s doubtful that the Russians were behind it, as they would have had access to more effective chemical agents. Whoever did it likely expected Yushchenko to die.

[B.B.]

Do you want to argue that it was not the Ru-Gov't that tried to kill/poison him then? Because the Ru-Gov't always makes it a point to kill someone without being involved with huge signs that it was them (killing yourself by shooting yourself in the head... at least twice. Or some rare form of radioactive poison only the Ru-Gov't has ... you get the idea.)

They use the radioactive stuff when they want people to KNOW it was them, while maintaining a fig leaf of deniability.  Leaving a trail of breadcrumbs back to them would not have been a good idea in this case, if their goal was to influence Ukrainian elections, bc "Oh, yeah, we totes poisoned the guy" would likely have the opposite of the desired effect (and note that Yuschenko actually was elected.)

I would not be so quick to clear Russia of any involvement, particularly given the speed at which those involved high-tailed it to Moscow.

B/B 

[B.B.]

To be clear, I was referring to the claims made at the time, not fantasies.

So you introduced smth not under current discussion in the thread in order to refute it, it seems.

The historical record shows that the initial accusations were of an assassination attempt, though this was unlikely to succeed. It was only later, when that narrative didn't hold, that the suggestion of a disfigurement attempt surfaced.

Immaterial to the current discussion.

After reviewing various documents on dioxin ingestion, it’s clear there are many cases. However, chloracne is not an inevitable outcome of dioxin poisoning, making it an unreliable method for causing disfigurement.

And yet we know that Yuschenko was poisoned with a high concentration of Dioxin and did in fact suffer from severe chloracne. There is a high enough correlation between dioxin poisoning and chloracne to make it worth it for someone to make the attempt and they turned out to be correct.

Wikipedia still lists the event as an assassination attempt, but we now know it was unlikely to succeed.

Take it up with Wikipiedia.

The main suspect, Volodymyr Satsyuk, fled to Russia but returned to Ukraine in 2011, where he was removed from the suspect list. As far as we know, Satsyuk still resides in Ukraine.

Yes he fled to Russia where he was given Russian citizenship so he could not be extradited to Ukraine.  Not the act of an innocent man.  He returned to Ukraine only after Kremlin stooge Yanukovich became president, and he was safe from prosecution.  His whereabouts now are not known; he may be in Ukraine, he may be in Russia, he may be elsewhere.

Was it a political act? Probably.

I think that should be the operative theory until proven otherwise.

But based on the evidence, it seems more likely to have been an internal political conflict, carried out by individuals who lacked knowledge of the compound used or its effects. This casts doubt on the hypothesis that it was a state-sponsored attack.

To the contrary, the high purity of the dioxin indicates that it was made in a lab under the auspices of a sophisticated entity, such as a state intelligence agency.  Remind me, who doesn't like it when pro-Western candiadtes win Ukrainian elections? 

In conclusion, something did happen—dioxin was likely the weapon used.

Dioxin was used.  This is not debatable as Yuschenko's blood has been tested for it by multiple doctors and researchers from different nations.

However, it’s doubtful that the Russians were behind it, as they would have had access to more effective chemical agents. Whoever did it likely expected Yushchenko to die.

More effective agents at what?  You, like Mark, are in far too much of a hurry to exonerate Russia.  I would suggest that by using dioxin, the perps did NOT expect him to die.  The objective in this case was to prevent his election, not murder him because that, had it been exposed, would have caused a massive backlash. 

B/B

[2tallbill]

Russia, Iran Overcome Language Barriers To Spread Disinformation To Voters, Says Federal Agency: AI Improving, Not Revolutionizing Foreign Election Interference
https://www.benzinga.com/news/24/09/40994173/russia-iran-overcome-language-barriers-to-spread-disinformation-to-voters-says-federal-agency-ai-imp

[Manny]

the seizure of 32 internet domains.

Perish the thought websites they don't like might exist.

And yet you are silent on Russian interference in Ukraine, seizure of Ukrainian territory, or maybe Viktor Yushchenko intentionally poisoned himself with dioxin to frame poor, innocent Putin?

B/B

I fail to see how those things are connected.

What it actually puts me in mind of was when the Landsbanki Guernsey collapsed a few years ago, I had some money in it, and I started a website about it with commentary about the financial regulation and the government on the island of Guernsey. 

The fact that crown dependencies were not deposit protected like the mainland was really new news to everybody, and the government really didn’t want it exposed because there’s a lot of money sitting in Guernsey. Probably a lot of it belonging to politicians. The UK regulator Nominet moved to close that website down.

It was the first time I had experienced censorship from the government directly on a website I own and it was actually quite surprising. Every word on it was the truth. And the collapse of Landsbanki Guernsey is still something that has been mostly cleansed from Google today.

They have the ability to disconnect a particular server IP address from the Internet in the UK/West and remove it from Google immediately. The site vanished from search.

They succeeded in closing the site itself down, but they also threatened to close down every other site on the server, which would have included this one. At the time, I was writing a few articles for rt.com and I threatened them with full exposure with email addresses, headers, IP addresses and copies of emails and everything on RT in a big “UK censors the internet” article, together with re-publishing the site on Russian servers, and they backed off from the server.

But the site they wanted closing got closed, and some of the communications I had indicated that you don’t want to fcuk with the government. They made it abundantly clear that they would use every tool at their disposal to inconvenience me for years to come, and that means the taxman, drivers licence, passport, and anything that is connected to the government.

[Wiz]

So you always have been a PIA     

And finally you become a fiend with Farage......
joining the upper class......

[AvHdB]

And finally you become a fiend .........

Manny the fiend! 

[Wiz]

And finally you become a fiend .........

Manny the fiend! 

Manny knows me well that was not a deliberate mistake..if I made it ?? as I first type my posts on word document and then I make copy paste posts...& corrections !!!

Most probably I did not noticed it!!! or by chane you put your finger ...... Please do not bother addresssing me anymore. 
Thank you.

Manny nice mod to have........

[AvHdB]

And finally you become a fiend .........

Manny the fiend! 

Manny knows me well that was not a deliberate mistake..if I made it ?? as I first type my posts on word document and then I make copy paste posts...& corrections !!!

Most probably I did not noticed it!!! or by chane you put your finger ...... Please do not bother addresssing me anymore. 
Thank you.

Manny nice mod to have........

Time to have an Ouzo/Metaxa (or two) and laugh at one’s mistakes. .