UK General Election

[2tallbill]

A lot of times lefty's call themselves moderates in the other party. Then they do something
to totally hamstring their party. GW Bush knowing about the upcoming real estate collapse
in 2008 but doing absolutely nothing about it. GHW Bush, appointing David Souter to the
Supreme Court. McInsane allowing Obama care to stay.

Rishi Sunak calls UK national election for July 4
LONDON, May 22 (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak called a national election on
Wednesday for July 4, saying Britons would be able to choose their future in a vote his
Conservatives are widely expected to lose to the opposition Labour Party after 14
years in power.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/rishi-sunak-calls-uk-national-election-july-4-2024-05-22/

[Manny]

And it's going to be a disaster when labour get in.

More immigrants, more woke, more socialism.

[2tallbill]

And it's going to be a disaster when labour get in.

More immigrants, more woke, more socialism.

The average UK family knows this don't they? Why would they put themselves through this?

[Manny]

And it's going to be a disaster when labour get in.

More immigrants, more woke, more socialism.

The average UK family knows this don't they? Why would they put themselves through this?

The Conservatives have stopped being conservative. Liberal wets, WEF, EU and WHO enthusiasts, Net Zero loons, Muslim sympathisers, pro-lockdown and "vaccination" zealots, random pinkos, US poodles and people who think women have a penis have taken over the party by stealth. Then we voted for Liz Truss as leader, and instead, Rishi was quite undemocratically installed.

Rishi then did lots of talking about all the things he was going to do, and it all sounded rather good. But he did none of it. He just talked about it. I saw Rishi when he was campaigning to be leader, and I came away actually thinking he believed what he said. He's quite earnest. But the machine is bigger than the man. Well actually, everyone is bigger than Rishi as he is quite small.

So we have what many call a Uniparty now. Two cheeks of the same arse. By voting Labour, people who don't remember the damage Labour can do imagine they are voting for some kind of change. They're not, they're voting for all the same thing the Conservatives do, but accelerated decline instead of managed decline.

Reform (Farage et al) is a challenger party, and has quite wide support, but the way our voting system works will likely only get a handful of seats.

Also, Labour gets the block Muslim vote, especially as they are a Muslim sympathising and allegedly anti-Jewish party.

By and large, Wales, London, inner cities, poor places and Muslim places vote Labour. Affluent suburbs and places where normal people seek to live vote Conservative. However, now, traditional Conservative voters will mostly abstain in disgust or vote for challenger parties and independents, this will give Labour a huge landslide. And once they get in this time, they'll be in for a decade or more. By then the damage Blair started will be finished off, and the country will be irreparably bolloxed.

The best we can hope for is a hung parliament where no one party has full control. That way they can bicker among themselves and hopefully get nothing much done. A Status Quo of sorts is better than decimating the country under Labour.

I can't comment about Scotland as I don't know the current state of play there with the SNP and what support they may or may not have, Rosco will know.

[2tallbill]

So we have what many call a Uniparty now. Two cheeks of the same arse.

The elected members of the US House and Senate are much the same way.
I don't think people elected to the legislature have any governing skills and
they tend to be poor at running things.

Look at how badly, Senator Joe Biden runs things or Senator Obama. In my opinion
governors are far better at being executives than policy wonk legislators.

Your PM is similar to the US Speaker of the House?

[Wiz]

And it's going to be a disaster when labour get in. More immigrants, more woke, more socialism.

How do you know that?
Is it true that most Cons are millionaires  like Russ, Boris, Cameron etc.......even the current PM too and the Bank of England is run By the JEWS?
How many years the Cons have been in power?
The average UK family knows this don't they? Why would they put themselves through again, like the thatcher years?

The Conservatives have stopped being conservative.

And most of them have become Millionaires with accounts.........in Panama etc.....
Can you tell us how many years the conservatives have been in power?

Liberal wets, WEF, EU and WHO enthusiasts, Net Zero loons, Muslim sympathisers, pro-lockdown and "vaccination" zealots, random pinkos, US poodles and people who think women have a penis have taken over the party by stealth. Then we voted for Liz Truss as leader, and instead, Rishi was quite undemocratically installed.

from: Manny on 23 May 2024, 10:09:29
British people have not voted for Liz.. for Boris..... or Rishi

Rishi then did lots of talking about all the things he was going to do, and it all sounded rather good. But he did none of it. He just talked about it. I saw Rishi when he was campaigning to be leader, and I came away actually thinking he believed what he said. He's quite earnest. But the machine is bigger than the man. Well actually, everyone is bigger than Rishi as he is quite small.

So we have what many call a Uniparty now. Two cheeks of the same arse. By voting Labour, people who don't remember the damage Labour can do imagine they are voting for some kind of change. They're not, they're voting for all the same thing the Conservatives do, but accelerated decline instead of managed decline.

Reform (Farage et al) is a challenger party, and has quite wide support, but the way our voting system works will likely only get a handful of seats.

Also, Labour gets the block Muslim vote, especially as they are a Muslim sympathising and allegedly anti-Jewish party.

By and large, Wales, London, inner cities, poor places and Muslim places vote Labour. Affluent suburbs and places where normal people seek to live vote Conservative. However, now, traditional Conservative voters will mostly abstain in disgust or vote for challenger parties and independents, this will give Labour a huge landslide. And once they get in this time, they'll be in for a decade or more. By then the damage Blair started will be finished off, and the country will be irreparably bolloxed.

The best we can hope for is a hung parliament where no one party has full control. That way they can bicker among themselves and hopefully get nothing much done. A Status Quo of sorts is better than decimating the country under Labour.

I can't comment about Scotland as I don't know the current state of play there with the SNP and what support they may or may not have, Rosco will know.

[andrewfi]

I think the announcement of plans to reintroduce conscription is made, at least in part, to ensure that the Conservatives do not win the next election.

A section of the British Public will support the idea and think it's a great idea. That'll go into their programming for the next election, the one after Labour gets in. But a much larger part of the populace will vote against it, and thus, it's a kind of suicide pill.

[2tallbill]

I think the announcement of plans to reintroduce conscription is made, at least
in part, to ensure that the Conservatives do not win the next election.

Far Leftists want conscription and very high taxes. They can then sell exceptions, loop holes
and such for bribes and payola. 

[Manny]

I think the announcement of plans to reintroduce conscription is made, at least in part, to ensure that the Conservatives do not win the next election.

A section of the British Public will support the idea and think it's a great idea. That'll go into their programming for the next election, the one after Labour gets in. But a much larger part of the populace will vote against it, and thus, it's a kind of suicide pill.

It is national service, not conscription. The timing is odd though.

Rishi's new idea is reminiscent of a Francis Urquhart idea. Ordinarily, it would be a good and long overdue idea if it would remain as written.

However, against a backdrop of the constant warmongering against Russia and pouring our cash, equipment and personnel into the US-instigated conflict in Ukraine, it can only be seen as a precursor to conscription.

The Uniparty cannot be trusted. There would, of course, be mission creep. They want population reduction and would be happy to send your kids to die in Ukraine, Taiwan or Gaza. They'll keep importing the third world as replacements on the RNLI water taxis. So that's a big fat NO from me.

[Manny]

Nigel Farage is making an announcement at 4pm today. I expect it will be he is going to run as an MP, my guess would be either Skegness or somewhere closer to where he lives, Kent maybe.

[Manny]

As I thought, Nigel has confirmed he is standing in Clacton-on-Sea in the South.



https://www.gbnews.com/politics/general-election-updates-nigel-farage-rishi-sunak-reform-labour-keir-starmer

[2tallbill]

It is national service, not conscription. The timing is odd though.

Fealty to the state and whatever socialist program of the day, such as voter
turnout, protesting churches, CIS mothers, chest feeders or whatever woke
things they come up with next. 

[Manny]

Farage's Reform Party is now only two percentage points behind the Conservatives in the polls. The way our FPTP voting system works, that may not translate into many seats, but it's fair to say the [not] Conservatives will be pretty much wiped out come what may.

Lefties are already throwing milkshakes at him, and the BBC and the other MSM are in meltdown at the prospect of Farage in parliament as you'd expect.

[2tallbill]

Farage's Reform Party is now only two percentage points behind the Conservatives in the polls. The way our FPTP voting system works, that may not translate into many seats, but it's fair to say the [not] Conservatives will be pretty much wiped out come what may.

Lefties are already throwing milkshakes at him, and the BBC and the other MSM are in meltdown at the prospect of Farage in parliament as you'd expect.

I am sure I don't understand how your system works.
I am sure that I understand the BBC and the MSM soiling themselves.

Will Nigel Farage have any more power than say a Theobald Leftykook the 3rd?

[Manny]

Will Nigel Farage have any more power than say a Theobald Leftykook the 3rd?

It depends on how many seats they win. Currently predicted to be 7. Labour will probably win the election. Reform will be a useful voice in opposition and might help put the brakes on some of Labour's communist crap.

Reform are climbing in the polls and have now overtaken the Conservatives (but again, that won't mean many more seats).

Nigel Farage's Reform UK Party overtook Prime Minister Rishi Sunak's Conservatives in an opinion poll for the first time on Thursday ahead of Britain's election on July 4.

The poll by YouGov for the Times newspaper put Reform UK on 19%, up from 17% previously, and the Conservative Party unchanged on 18%. The opposition Labour Party topped the poll with 37%.

Source.

What happens after will be more important. The Conservatives are going to be decimated. That is because they stopped being conservative. The party will have to rebuild afterwards, expelling the wets and learning to become conservative again. That may involve a "merger" of some kind, what I would see as a reverse takeover of the party by Farage.

In the possibility of a hung parliament, the Conservatives may have to work with smaller parties to get over the line. In that case they have to offer a bone. This happened in Cameron's government when the Liberal Democrat Nick Clegg ended up with a senior post. In that case, they would have to give Immigration Minister to Farage.

Labour will probably win, but a week is a long time in politics. A lot of bad stuff is coming out about potential Labour policies, tax on the sale of residential homes, wealth taxes, taxes on private schools, Muslim appeasement, etc. They are getting killed by Reform in the North and Midlands in the polls, some Muslims are defecting from Labour over something to do with Gaza or Jews or something. The Conservatives are sinking fast, Rishi makes gaffe after gaffe. Reform is rising fast on the back of high immigration and people's dislike of woke.

Reform won't win, but they could end up with a valuable number of seats to be a voice in opposition or a coalition partner.

If Labour only gets one term in office, with a strong opposition, we might just survive. If they win the next election in four years, it will be time to leave the country in my view. We will be past the point of no return then.

[2tallbill]

A lot of bad stuff is coming out about potential Labour policies, tax on the sale of residential homes, wealth taxes, taxes on private schools, Muslim appeasement, etc.

Holy crap! most of that crap is unconstitutional at the federal level in the USA. You guys
allow all that to happen to you. If the Democrats raised the gas tax or any of those other
taxes to UK levels, it would take them a decade to win another federal election.

[Manny]

Now you see why Farage and Reform are climbing fast. Have a look at their manifesto: https://assets.nationbuilder.com/reformuk/pages/253/attachments/original/1718625371/Reform_UK_Our_Contract_with_You.pdf?1718625371

All stuff the Conservatives should have been doing the last 14 years.

You can tell Nigel has been learning from his pal, Trump.

[Manny]

So its over.

Labour won of course, so the Socialist Kier Starmer is the new Prime Minister. 

Labour didn't win due to being any more popular, simply most Conservative voters didn't vote. Turnout was very low.

The Conservatives - due to no longer being Conservative - got wiped out and lost over 200 seats. Most of their lost votes went to Reform.

Reform won 5 seats, one being Farage's Clacton seat, of course. Despite winning just four seats, Reform took 14.3% of the popular vote - the third party by vote share.

Nigel Farage denounced the first past the post system in his victory speech. Reform collected over 4 million votes to get 4 seats. The Liberal Democrats collected fewer and got 61 seats. We have a strange system.

We have dark days ahead with a Labour government. 

[rosco]

Yea I saw a social media post suggesting that the electoral system isn't fit for purpose. At the time of posting they said;

Reform got 4 million votes and only 4 seats.
Lib Dems got 3.4 million votes and 69 seats.

Labour won two thirds of the seats with only one third of the national vote.

In 2010 David Cameron got a higher share of the vote than Labour did yesterday, yet there was a hung parliament.

Thoughts?

[andrewfi]

In terms of the aggregate representation of the will of the people at a national level, FPTP seems to be a poor solution.

In terms of local choice of representation at a national level, FPTP seems to be pretty bob-on.

Which is the most important to most voters? Choosing one's local MP to represent the constituency in parliament or voting a party into power with little to no choice about who represents the constituents?

My feeling is that many voting constituents like being able to choose who represents them, and it means that conservatives sometimes win in areas traditionally held by labour or liberals, and vice versa. (The ones who do not vote, for whatever reason, do not count.)

[2tallbill]

Labour didn't win due to being any more popular, simply most Conservative voters didn't vote. Turnout was very low.

The Conservatives - due to no longer being Conservative - got wiped out and lost over 200 seats. Most of their lost votes went to Reform.

Reform won 5 seats, one being Farage's Clacton seat, of course. Despite winning just four seats, Reform took 14.3% of the popular vote - the third party by vote share.

The GOP in the USA doesn't learn anything when they lose. They find another
that is no more conservative than the last guy and run him next.

That's how we got George HW, Bob Dole, George W and Mittens Romney,
all losers. What did the GOP after all those losers? They trotted out Jeb
then gave him a hundred million for the primaries. Luckily Jeb was tossed
aside. 

How many cycles will it take your conservatives to start behaving again?

[Wiz]

So its over.

Labour won of course, so the Socialist Kier Starmer is the new Prime Minister. 

Labour didn't win due to being any more popular, simply most Conservative voters didn't vote. Turnout was very low.

The Conservatives - due to no longer being Conservative - got wiped out and lost over 200 seats. Most of their lost votes went to Reform.

Reform won 4 seats, one being Farage's Clacton seat, of course. Despite winning just four seats, Reform took 14.3% of the popular vote - the third party by vote share.

Nigel Farage denounced the first past the post system in his victory speech. Reform collected over 4 million votes to get 4 seats. The Liberal Democrats collected fewer and got 61 seats. We have a strange system.

We have dark days ahead with a Labour government. 

Arthur Daley for the past 10 + years did we have better days under the CONS?  pls enlighten us?

So why you did not joined Farage?  and ...what he has  offered to UK  apart from a big mouth critisizing everybody........... Has he really offered anything good for this country?

Do not tell me that we are Better off  out of the the EU... How ofter are you going to the Supermarkets Tesco etc?   Crap food.......and Crap fruits from the other side of the world!

The CONS have been doing well for their pockets........except from the ex PM who did not get a lordship and a place in the rich club!

I guess you must be happy that your friend Boris bought a 3.4 million House......after living office!....

[2tallbill]

So its over.

Labour won of course, so the Socialist Kier Starmer is the new Prime Minister. 
We have dark days ahead with a Labour government. 

When will they enact Sharia Law?

[Markje]

So its over.

Labour won of course, so the Socialist Kier Starmer is the new Prime Minister. 
We have dark days ahead with a Labour government. 

When will they enact Sharia Law?

Already there in the UK. Thank god we now have a normal gov't here, they are not keen on appeasing the muzzies.

[Wiz]

So its over.

Labour won of course, so the Socialist Kier Starmer is the new Prime Minister. 
We have dark days ahead with a Labour government. 

When will they enact Sharia Law?

Bill have you ever visited the UK?

Just for your information , what ever you may think, about England, we do not have people sleeping in tents etc on the pavements or under bridges, nomatter which government is in power.