Moscow Crocus Concert hall shooting

[Manny]

This post, translated and reposted by the First Deputy Permanent Representative of Russia to the UN, Dmitry Polyanskiy, outlines what they know up to now:

Fake: Ukraine is not involved in the terrorist attack at "Crocus City Hall", it was organized by the "Islamic State". This is stated by the leadership of Ukraine with reference to a video from the terrorists' phone.

Truth: As we have already written, the publication of a video on resources associated with ISIS does not prove the group's involvement in the explosion. For example, in 2017, ISIS claimed responsibility for the explosion at a storage locker in the "Perekrestok" store in St. Petersburg. It turned out that the explosion was carried out by the recognized mentally ill Dmitry Lukyanenko, not connected to Islamists. The publication of such material is very advantageous for the radicals for propaganda purposes.

The faces of the terrorists are blurred in the video. This is atypical for radicals. There are signs that the sound is overlaid: for example, at 8 seconds, the sound of a firearm bolt is heard, but the shooter's fingers remain still. It is likely that capturing the terrorists alive was not part of the organizers' plans.

Numerous previous terrorist attacks, which were indeed carried out by ISIS militants and other radical Islamists, show that death during such actions is the highest reward for fanatics. However, the terrorists who attacked "Crocus" were seeking to survive, so they left the concert hall. This helped the Russian special services to capture them alive.

In the published video, one of the terrorists does speak. However, in other videos from witnesses, militants shoot people silently or exchange short phrases in Tajik for coordination. Surviving witnesses of the attack also do not mention that the militants constantly made speeches. Finally, one of the detainees admitted that he participated in the attack for monetary reward, not ideological reasons. Money has never been the main motivation for terrorists. Additionally, the actions of allegedly radical Muslims contradict the canons of Islam. In particular, the left hand is considered unclean for true Muslims, and it is forbidden to point with it towards Allah. In the video, the terrorists make the gesture with the left hand.

The terrorists were heading towards the border with Ukraine because that was where they were provided passage. However, for radical Islamists, it would have been more logical to leave Russia at the border with Kazakhstan – it is longer and less guarded.

The organizers of the terrorist attack, who are behind the mass murder at "Crocus", benefit greatly from linking the perpetrators to ISIS and completely disavowing any connection to Ukraine. This will exacerbate inter-ethnic strife in Russia and contribute to its weakening as a state. Such a situation is a dream for the Ukrainian military intelligence. However, the facts show that Ukraine is at least involved, and possibly the main instigator of the tragedy”

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My view: it's clearly got Ukrainian fingerprints all over it, or perhaps more accurately, their handlers, the US. The warning put out by Blinken beforehand tells us they knew all about it ahead of time. Well, like Northstream, of course they did.

The operation itself is said to have been planned by the Ukrainian SBU via their embassy in Tajikistan. Accordingly, the "secret" SBU base in Kiev was obliterated overnight.

[Bodine]

Fake: Ukraine is not involved in the terrorist attack at "Crocus City Hall", it was organized by the "Islamic State". This is stated by the leadership of Ukraine with reference to a video from the terrorists' phone.

Why is this even a case of speculation? Whats good for the goose…of course Ukraine is all over this. More than likely with western thrusts.

Truth

Methinks to have something happen and get Russia get its eye off the ball is a wonderful thing. A little side tragedy can certainly help. Bailout aid is moving like molasses in January.

ISIS-K is ‘responsible’! LMAO! Sure. And Biden/Harris is the greatest POTUS/VPOTUS we ever had.

[2tallbill]

1. When you look at the response time by the local police it almost looks like someone inside Russian government was making sure the attack was as bad as possible. 2. Eleven people were arrested but we only know about the four who carried out the attack. 3. I wonder who the other people were.

1. The official salary of a Moscow policeman is 1105576 RUB per year. That's
$11,918.11 dollars. I wonder what the training budget is?

2. There were many people involved to carry out this event. You had four with
guns killing people. They didn't bring the guns inside their carryon luggage.

3. There were drivers, helpers, people who supplied radios, bullets, getaway
cars, somebody fed and housed them leading up to the event.
Every single one of these guys when captured can help paint a picture, and
help sweep up everyone involved.

[2tallbill]

ISIS-K is ‘responsible’! LMAO! Sure.

I don't always get your point, apart from Kamala not teaching physics at MIT
this year. 

[2tallbill]

Russia says it neutralized ISIS cell plotting attack on Moscow synagogue
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-it-neutralized-isis-cell-plotting-attack-moscow-synagogue-2024-03-07/

[BC]

Fake:
Truth:

No matter what name one applies, it's all simple speculation.

[Texan77]

What happened to terrorist before the appeared in court is now being used by IS-k to recruit the next wave of terrorist. This was not smart.

Defendants before and as they appeared in court in Russia.

The images shared online were gruesome. One had his ear sliced off and was forced to eat it. A second had electric shocks applied as he lay on the ground. Another was beaten so badly his eye seemed to bulge out when he appeared in court.

[2tallbill]

Defendants before and as they appeared in court in Russia.

At least two of the terrorist plead guilty at court

From Snippets from Pravda

"two defendants received instructions for the attack while in Turkey, the other two were brought in already on the Russian territory."

Muhammadsobir Fayzov, was taken to court on a gurney while wearing a medical gown. Previously, he worked as a barber in the city Ivanovo, where he was registered.

See more at https://english.pravda.ru/news/hotspots/159230-cross-city-hall-terrorists/

[Guile]

absolutely horrible what happened. my friends in Moscow are on edge, don't want to go out.

The suspects got off light so far.  That last guy looks like he's about to go in a coma or die.  all for what...a few bucks and some fake glory.

[Texan77]

yea the more Russia beats them then publishes their pictures the more terrorist will come. Way to go. It is completely not understanding how IS-k members think. Belarus says terrorist were not on way to Ukraine but to Belarus. 

Belarus dictator destroys Putin's claim Ukraine was behind ISIS attack

Belarus' strongman dictator Alexander Lukashenko has seemingly undermined Russia 's claims that Ukraine was behind the deadly Moscow massacre, after revealing the four terrorists tried fleeing to Belarus, not Ukraine.

He said: 'There was no way they could enter Belarus. They saw that. That's why they turned away and went to the section of the Ukrainian-Russian border.' While terror group ISIS has claimed responsibility for the massacre several times, Russia has not fully acknowledged this and officials have chosen to blame Ukraine and the West for the attack.

[2tallbill]

Belarus dictator destroys Putin's claim Ukraine was behind ISIS attack

Do you have a link, that was my speculation a half dozen posts ago

[Edit to add] I found some

To read it in Russian
https://belta.by/


Lukashenko about terrorist attack in Moscow Oblast
https://eng.belta.by/video/getRecord/1860/


Belarusian leader contradicts Putin's claim of terrorists "fleeing to Ukraine"
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/03/26/7448224/

[2tallbill]

Truth: As we have already written, the publication of a video on resources associated with ISIS does not prove the group's involvement in the explosion. For example, in 2017, ISIS claimed responsibility for the explosion at a storage locker in the "Perekrestok" store in St. Petersburg. It turned out that the explosion was carried out by the recognized mentally ill Dmitry Lukyanenko, not connected to Islamists. The publication of such material is very advantageous for the radicals for propaganda purposes.

The Ukrainian trial balloon didn't work, now it's the USA that was involved.

US risks being suspected of involvement in Crocus City
Hall terror attack — SVR
https://tass.com/politics/1768751


Moscow Terror Attack | Russian FSB says US, UK and Ukraine behind
Moscow attack | What's the truth?

[Manny]

Ukraine and the US are one and the same. Ukraine is a client state of the US.

[BC]

The CIA, NSA etc have Duty to Warn policies.
https://knightcolumbia.org/reading-room/duty-to-warn

Washington Post reported that this policy was used when reporting a terrorist threat at the Crocus concert hall several weeks before the attack. It seems the location information was specific, but the planned attack date was inaccurate.

More than two weeks before terrorists staged a bloody attack in the suburbs of Moscow, the U.S. government told Russian officials that Crocus City Hall, a popular concert venue, was a potential target, according to U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

The high degree of specificity conveyed in the warning underscores Washington’s confidence that the Islamic State was preparing an attack that threatened large numbers of civilians, and it directly contradicts Moscow’s claims that the U.S. warnings were too general to help preempt the assault.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/04/02/us-warning-russia-isis-crocus/

[Texan77]

Ukraine and the US are one and the same. Ukraine is a client state of the US.

WOW!!! You really believe anything in Russian propaganda. Now you believe that Ukraine is the 51 first state. Arms to Ukraine for the most part of been cut off from the USA since November. Europeans are crapping all over themselves as they might have to really do something. Now you call Ukraine as part of the USA. I doubt if we would have the same problem with weapons if Russia invaded California even though many of us here would like to see California to not be part of the USA. Hell, no matter how hard we try we cannot get nasty old Ukraine to stop bombing Russian refineries and driving the gasoline prices higher worldwide. I am sure you believe Russia is at war with NATO because we send them a few outdated weapons and Russia cannot even cope with those. Earth to Manny, Earth to Manny ... It is time for your return.

[Markje]

WOW!!! You really believe anything in Russian propaganda. Now you believe that Ukraine is the 51 first state. Arms to Ukraine for the most part of been cut off from the USA since November. Europeans are crapping all over themselves as they might have to really do something.

Man, you really are a simpleton.

https://www.joint-forces.com/world-news/51646-dutch-weapons-sent-to-ukraine

That was in 2022.

[BC]

Iran alerted Russia to security threat before Moscow attack

https://www.reuters.com/world/iran-alerted-russia-security-threat-before-moscow-attack-sources-say-2024-04-01/

[rosco]

Now you believe that Ukraine is the 51 first state.

Not officially Tex, obviously, but in reality.......

Europeans are crapping all over themselves as they might have to really do something.

Ahh facts continue to be your undoing, always making you look stupid.

https://www.statista.com/chart/28489/ukrainian-military-humanitarian-and-financial-aid-donors/

As of February 23rd 2024, the EU has to date, given Ukraine 85 billion euros in funding. The US 67.7 billion. The US has been the largest military aid donor but without financial and humanitarian, there is no Ukraine to fight Russia on our behalf. But yea stay on planet Tex and continue the fantasy.

Now you call Ukraine as part of the USA.

2014 coup d'état with the US directly involved in hand picking the government, arming and training both the military and Ukraines fascist nazi groups like Azov to attack ethnic Russians in the East. And today, 100's of billions in weapons and aid being pumped into the country to keep the lights on and the meat grinder turning. Intelligence, training and foreign soldiers are the only thing keeping the US and the West from being officially at war with Russia.

I am sure you believe Russia is at war with NATO because we send them a few outdated weapons and Russia cannot even cope with those.

If you genuinely believe that then god help your mouth breathing soul.

[BC]

Now you believe that Ukraine is the 51 first state.

Not officially Tex, obviously, but in reality.......

Now you call Ukraine as part of the USA.

2014 coup d'état with the US directly involved in hand picking the government, arming and training both the military and Ukraines fascist nazi groups like Azov to attack ethnic Russians in the East. And today, 100's of billions in weapons and aid being pumped into the country to keep the lights on and the meat grinder turning. Intelligence, training and foreign soldiers are the only thing keeping the US and the West from being officially at war with Russia.

By your flawed logic, Russia invaded a US state and is helping the citizens of that state defend themselves. The National Guard and other armed forces have not been called in yet.

Yet you still complain Rosco?  Can't have your cake and eat it too...

[rosco]

Now you believe that Ukraine is the 51 first state.

Not officially Tex, obviously, but in reality.......

Now you call Ukraine as part of the USA.

2014 coup d'état with the US directly involved in hand picking the government, arming and training both the military and Ukraines fascist nazi groups like Azov to attack ethnic Russians in the East. And today, 100's of billions in weapons and aid being pumped into the country to keep the lights on and the meat grinder turning. Intelligence, training and foreign soldiers are the only thing keeping the US and the West from being officially at war with Russia.

By your flawed logic, Russia invaded a US state and is helping the citizens of that state defend themselves. The National Guard and other armed forces have not been called in yet.

Yet you still complain Rosco?  Can't have your cake and eat it too...

You do understand what was meant, when I said not officially.....but in reality? I appreciate that you're trying to make yourself look smart but attention to detail is key.

You and Tex are one in the same.

[2tallbill]

or perhaps more accurately, their handlers, the US. The warning put out by Blinken beforehand tells us they knew all about it ahead of time. Well, like Northstream, of course they did.

The operation itself is said to have been planned by the Ukrainian SBU via their embassy in Tajikistan. Accordingly, the "secret" SBU base in Kiev was obliterated overnight.

Not officially Tex, obviously, but in reality.......

If the USA asked Ukraine to help with something against Russia
I think that they would try to help.
Belarus/Lukashenko is a client state of Russia. He wouldn't contradict the
Official Russian State story. 

The FSB would never had mentioned Ukraine for entire days if the USA was involved. They would have
lead with that. An attack in Moscow on Russian citizens is an act of war.

1. The USA would have never trusted an ISIS cell and
2. The ISIS cell would have never trusted the USA.
3. ISIS would have stabbed the USA in the back at the first opportunity.
4. ISIS hates the USA more than Russia (by a lot)
5. The terrorist would be on camera's talking about their pay/help from the
USA and it
5. would have been played 9 thousand times on TV worldwide by now. Manny
and Roscoe would have led with that. 
6. The USA would have paid the terrorists real money not a couple hundred each.
7. Belarus/Lukashenko would have followed the official Russian story word for word
8. The FSB would never had mentioned Ukraine for entire days if the USA was involved. They would have lead with that.
9. The terrorists caught have no more secrets, the FSB knows everything.
10. The story that the USA was involved with ISIS to attack Russia is not
believable. Nobody honestly believes it.   
11. This was a suicide mission, there is no way for secret agents to travel to
Moscow and then escape by car.
12. The FSB is not a bunch of idiots with 3rd world tech.
13. Some of the terrorists are from Dumpsk Fookistan. They don't have
suicide bombers pledging to the USA.

[2tallbill]

If the USA asked Ukraine to help with something against Russia
I think that they would try to help.
3rd world tech.
13. Some of the terrorists are from Dumpsk Fookistan. They don't have
suicide bombers pledging to the USA.
14. If the USA and Ukraine got together, some Russian general or
military/oil target would be hit not a bunch of civilians.

You always ask us why when Russia is involved. Ask yourselves why
would the US or Ukraine machinegun down, then burn alive a bunch
of civilians.

There is no reason, no advantage. Don't bring up this point next time
when Russia is accused of doing something in the future, unless you
are able to do the same when you accuse the USA of something. 

 

[Manny]

The Russians released a statement today that says they have traced funding relating to the Crocus terrorist attack, and it goes back to Burisma Holdings. The shady Kiev-based but Cyprus-registered outfit that once "employed" Hunter Biden. The firm is owned by a shady Ukrainian who is an SVR asset who is reputed to have bribed both Bidens.

So if that is true, it's clear the Ukrainians were behind it. If at the behest of the US, we may never know. But Ukraine and the US are one and the same anyway really. The latter being the hand that rocks the cradle.

Tex will be along in a minute with an MSN link that says "But.... ISIS".

[andrewfi]

Ask yourselves why would the US or Ukraine machinegun down, then burn alive a bunch
of civilians.

Yes, why would they?

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2014-008919_EN.html

[rosco]

Ask yourselves why would the US or Ukraine machinegun down, then burn alive a bunch
of civilians.

Yes, why would they?

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-8-2014-008919_EN.html

Yea there's no track record of the US/CIA doing anything like that. It has to be a false flag and Putin killed his own people to keep his war machine rolling on.......