Happy New Year! Checking in with RUA : Dating in NYC in 2024 as a Mid 40s guy

[matador22]

Hi there fellow board members! Happy New Year! haha. Well i had to check in. This board always has great advice.  So last time I checked in I was told by many that seeking a bride or life partners in the FSU is much more difficult than ever and now actually requires that you live in Eastern europe for a significant amount of time.  I assume that's even more true now and may not even be possible with the ongoing conflict.

Here is what's going on in New york city, USA.  If you're in your 20s-30s then yes the apps still exist and are used often but I continuously hear that all the old trends are even worse now.  Basically something like less than 2% of the men seem to get more than 90% of the female matches.  The stereotype of the 6 feet plus tall man with a very high salary, under 40, and lives in the center of the city getting all the best matches is true.   It's just very very hard.  Now I have quite a few things going for me. I am tall (6'2") and have a small business based in New jersey.  I have a nice apartment but it's in Jersey city instead of fancy manhattan.  And I am not white.  Also I am 47 (1977). 

What i noticed that is the younger women say under 40 are harder to match with.  The few I do match with are ambivalent about having children or they are too old.  A friend of mine got so fed up in Toronto that he moved to Argentina.  He said almost immediately his dating life improved. However he is not seeking marriage and children.  I am seeking marriage and kids and hopefully before I turn 50 which is right around the corner. 

Anyway should an american man my age even bother seeking love in eastern europe. I don't even know which dating site works these days. I signed up for eurocupid.com.  And i know of a former member of this board who is currently on a train to Kiev! he is in his 50s and still thinks its a great opportunity.

I just do not know what to do! I feel disillusioned. But at the same time I have to continue trying locally. I am working on losing weight and growing my business. I look young. I have a full head of hair. And I have never been married and no children. 

Any advice or tips would be greatly appreciated! Best of luck to all out there! Thanks again!

[2tallbill]

Hi there fellow board members! Happy New Year! haha. Well i had to check in. This board always has great advice. 

I have known Ed now for almost 3 years and worked with him for several months at a time-no trips just emailing.  ....I do feel like I want to go to Russia with each passing day....

Warning for newbies, tough love below. If you tend to suck your thumb and/or
cry into your pillow skip the advice below and read the post after mine.


This pursuit isn't for everyone. In 2009 Matador had been  a Keyboard Romeo for
3 years unable to take the plunge. 2006 to 2024 is 18 years, he has jumped the
shark.

This pursuit is very difficult for the resolute but impossible for the indecisive. He needs
to leave the poor girls alone.

Matador, figure out how to get a visa and how to travel to Russia, buy the tickets then
I will treat you seriously and will give you tons of advice (as will everyone here).

Right now you are talking like a rich man who plans to become so by winning the lottery
(once he saves up for the ticket). I have nothing against a man who dreams, but the
chronic, repetitive procrastination is too much. You have to accept that you will never
act on your fanciful dream.   

Russian women want a man of action.

I wish you success doing whatever you do, but this is not for you.

[matador22]

Hi there fellow board members! Happy New Year! haha. Well i had to check in. This board always has great advice. 

I have known Ed now for almost 3 years and worked with him for several months at a time-no trips just emailing.  ....I do feel like I want to go to Russia with each passing day....

Warning for newbies, tough love below. If you tend to suck your thumb and/or
cry into your pillow skip the advice below and read the post after mine.


This pursuit isn't for everyone. In 2009 Matador had been  a Keyboard Romeo for
3 years unable to take the plunge. 2006 to 2024 is 18 years, he has jumped the
shark.

This pursuit is very difficult for the resolute but impossible for the indecisive. He needs
to leave the poor girls alone.

Matador, figure out how to get a visa and how to travel to Russia, buy the tickets then
I will treat you seriously and will give you tons of advice (as will everyone here).

Right now you are talking like a rich man who plans to become so by winning the lottery
(once he saves up for the ticket). I have nothing against a man who dreams, but the
chronic, repetitive procrastination is too much. You have to accept that you will never
act on your fanciful dream.   

Russian women want a man of action.

I wish you success doing whatever you do, but this is not for you.

@2tallbill :  I understand but to be fair I DID visit a woman in Moscow in 2011.  It's in my original thread from years ago.  It was not a very long trip. I went on a vacation with my parents (that's all in the thread) but I did visit a woman in Moscow and we spent like 2 weeks together at her place. So i did the whole visa thing and flying to Russia part. 
I was asking more about talking to women on the dating sites and then going to visit them but during the vacation season.  It would not be a long term visit.  Anyway I understand your point. It's a bit too difficult. thanks for replying.

[2tallbill]

@2tallbill :  I understand but to be fair I DID visit a woman in Moscow in 2011.  It's in my original thread from years ago.  It was not a very long trip. I went on a vacation with my parents (that's all in the thread) but I did visit a woman in Moscow and we spent like 2 weeks together at her place. So i did the whole visa thing and flying to Russia part. 
I was asking more about talking to women on the dating sites and then going to visit them but during the vacation season.  It would not be a long term visit.  Anyway I understand your point. It's a bit too difficult. thanks for replying.

I did not read all your posts (314) so I stand corrected. (At least 300 of them were about being indecisive and wishy washy*) 

It's more difficult to get a Visa to Russia. I went there to see my Grand daughter aka
Shorty Pants, she looked a bit like Tweety Bird (big head short legs) September of 2022.
It's more difficult to travel to Russia. I flew to Turkey then to Moscow.

I just signed up for bridesandlovers.com.   Gonna see what all the fuss is about Definitely seems more real than others already.  So you're the owner?

How is your Russian?

Connecting with Steveboy, I approve. He can help you. Hopefully he doesn't let you
waste a hours & hours of his time.

*I stole wishy washy from ECR.

[matador22]

@2tallbill :  I understand but to be fair I DID visit a woman in Moscow in 2011.  It's in my original thread from years ago.  It was not a very long trip. I went on a vacation with my parents (that's all in the thread) but I did visit a woman in Moscow and we spent like 2 weeks together at her place. So i did the whole visa thing and flying to Russia part. 
I was asking more about talking to women on the dating sites and then going to visit them but during the vacation season.  It would not be a long term visit.  Anyway I understand your point. It's a bit too difficult. thanks for replying.

I did not read all your posts (314) so I stand corrected. (At least 300 of them were about being indecisive and wishy washy*) 

It's more difficult to get a Visa to Russia. I went there to see my Grand daughter aka
Shorty Pants, she looked a bit like Tweety Bird (big head short legs) September of 2022.
It's more difficult to travel to Russia. I flew to Turkey then to Moscow.

I just signed up for bridesandlovers.com.   Gonna see what all the fuss is about Definitely seems more real than others already.  So you're the owner?

How is your Russian?

Connecting with Steveboy, I approve. He can help you. Hopefully he doesn't let you
waste a hours & hours of his time.

*I stole wishy washy from ECR.

No worries mate! I brought this upon myself.  I do admit I was on the fence for years but going to Russia in 2011 was an incredible experience.  My only takeaway really is that it requires multiple trips, time, and yes money.  And as you mentioned it is not for the faint hearted.  Here's why this time around its a little different at least on my end. I am much older and more experienced.  I dated plenty in the USA. In fact why i gave up the russia pursuit in 2011 after my trip was because my dating life in NYC picked up considerably. Fast forward to 2020s and I realize that finding a marriage minded american woman who would want a family is daunting in america.  I am not saying that it is impossible-it is not as I have friends who have.  But it does mean compromise on certain things like age and physical attractiveness.  I am aware compromise is also required with russian dating and maybe on more levels than I understand now.

As for my russian no I do not speak any. I always used Ed in the past and the woman I met in Moscow, Anya, spoke fluent English.  Once again another challenge I have to keep in mind. 

There really is no more advice needed. I just wanted a good website to start with.  So far Steve's website, Brides and Lovers, is pretty good.  I already got a few interest messages.  I am concerned about being an american going into russia/ukraine right now.  But I am open to going on vacation to eastern europe this year and once I decide which city I will start looking into the dating profiles i can find in that city.  Whats the harm in messaging them now? Thanks again! and will peruse more of the threads here!

[Lord of the Dance]

This pursuit is very difficult for the resolute but impossible for the indecisive. He needs
to leave the poor girls alone.

Matador, figure out how to get a visa and how to travel to Russia, buy the tickets then
I will treat you seriously and will give you tons of advice (as will everyone here).

Right now you are talking like a rich man who plans to become so by winning the lottery
(once he saves up for the ticket). I have nothing against a man who dreams, but the
chronic, repetitive procrastination is too much. You have to accept that you will never
act on your fanciful dream.   

Russian women want a man of action.

I wish you success doing whatever you do, but this is not for you.

With the respect due Bill, I dissent.

While full-blown procrastination isn't good, patience is still a virtue.

When I was 12 years old in middle school I told my classmates that I was going to build an airplane and fly my ass into the wild blue yonder. They didn't take me seriously. Well 18 years, $300,000 and 1300 hours later, I bump into one of those old schoolmates at a local burger joint and he jokingly asks me about my airplane dreams. Well it still hasn't happened I tell him. But I omit how close in coming it is!

Point is, fanciful dreams take time, money, patience, hard work, persistence and good luck to achieve. Does this sound like it happens overnight?

Then again, I'm just a kid living in my mom's basement, what would I know? But I don't buy into the 'man of action' stuff. A lot of the people parroting this line would be terrified to fly in an amateur-built airplane, couldn't afford to fly in a private jet and probably complain about the temperature of their airline meals in an Airbus.

[Markje]

Then again, I'm just a kid living in my mom's basement, what would I know? But I don't buy into the 'man of action' stuff. A lot of the people parroting this line would be terrified to fly in an amateur-built airplane, couldn't afford to fly in a private jet and probably complain about the temperature of their airline meals in an Airbus.

And yet, I lived through this 'man of action' advice I got. I selected 4 to visit from a dozen+ prospect, and got married in the scope of about 4 years.

The men whom are married all tell the: Go visit them! line... the men who deviate from that are well, not married.

[Contrarian]

This pursuit is very difficult for the resolute but impossible for the indecisive. He needs
to leave the poor girls alone.

Matador, figure out how to get a visa and how to travel to Russia, buy the tickets then
I will treat you seriously and will give you tons of advice (as will everyone here).

Right now you are talking like a rich man who plans to become so by winning the lottery
(once he saves up for the ticket). I have nothing against a man who dreams, but the
chronic, repetitive procrastination is too much. You have to accept that you will never
act on your fanciful dream.   

Russian women want a man of action.

I wish you success doing whatever you do, but this is not for you.

With the respect due Bill, I dissent.

While full-blown procrastination isn't good, patience is still a virtue.

When I was 12 years old in middle school I told my classmates that I was going to build an airplane and fly my ass into the wild blue yonder. They didn't take me seriously. Well 18 years, $300,000 and 1300 hours later, I bump into one of those old schoolmates at a local burger joint and he jokingly asks me about my airplane dreams. Well it still hasn't happened I tell him. But I omit how close in coming it is!

Point is, fanciful dreams take time, money, patience, hard work, persistence and good luck to achieve. Does this sound like it happens overnight?

Then again, I'm just a kid living in my mom's basement, what would I know? But I don't buy into the 'man of action' stuff. A lot of the people parroting this line would be terrified to fly in an amateur-built airplane, couldn't afford to fly in a private jet and probably complain about the temperature of their airline meals in an Airbus.

I had this vision of you in a Nursing home at 80 years old. You were going around the facility with a walker talking to the nurses.

You were going around and telling those who would listen, "I'm going to Ukraine next year to find my wife...really I am! 

[Steveboy]

I will give you the best advice ever..

1. Forget about Ukrainian women, forget about Ukraine, you will waste your life going back and forth being scammed and robbed. Don't do it. Even better still ask anyone here if they know of any guys who married Ukrainian women recently ? Naaa none!

2. Stick to seeking a Russian women in general they ain't going to be in your wallet. Better still find a Russian women with a good job (There are loads) And even her own apartment (There are loads) And take it from there. There are lots of Americans in Russia living 3 months here three months in the US and so on, finding a decent women who does not need your money is the best starting place.

3. Young women from Eastern Europe leaving for a better life in Paradise? No its not really happening so much unless you at least have something to offer, what women wants to move to a shit hole where she is expected to start work as soon as she arrives to help pay the bills. It's not easy to find a younger women 30-39 But you can do it if you're ready to spend some time and do some traveling.

4. Is it safe for Americans to visit Russia ? Yes of course it is!! There are thousands living here.. best to check out some "Moscow expat" groups in Facebook to get the low down on that and see for yourself. Forget about Western media! Checkout some expat groups in Russia, the truth is out there.   https://russiable.com/foreigners-travel-russia-requirements-coronavirus/

5. As I have already said under no circumstances waste your life and money searching for a Ukrainian women, doing this will already put you on the path to success.

[rosco]

2. Stick to seeking a Russian women in general they ain't going to be in your wallet. Better still find a Russian women with a good job (There are loads) And even her own apartment (There are loads) And take it from there. There are lots of Americans in Russia living 3 months here three months in the US and so on, finding a decent women who does not need your money is the best starting place.

This....as a general rule in dating, especially if you're a bloke who has stuff.

You can start from the ground up, carry a dependant and then consider if there's a power balance being created by you essentially bank rolling the relationship. Much better if your date has her own stuff, that way you can still be chivalrous without playing the sugar daddy.....unless that's the dynamic you're looking for?

If you're new or inexperienced to dating, especially Eastern European, then expect a steep learning curve and be expected to bank roll a dependant, if that's who you've found. Being tight only creates what she'll consider to be a controlling mechanism and you'll lose. Being too financially open with the wrong woman.....you'll lose.

Find the right woman and be honest with yourself. Sounds easy eh? 

[matador22]

I will give you the best advice ever..

1. Forget about Ukrainian women, forget about Ukraine, you will waste your life going back and forth being scammed and robbed. Don't do it. Even better still ask anyone here if they know of any guys who married Ukrainian women recently ? Naaa none!

2. Stick to seeking a Russian women in general they ain't going to be in your wallet. Better still find a Russian women with a good job (There are loads) And even her own apartment (There are loads) And take it from there. There are lots of Americans in Russia living 3 months here three months in the US and so on, finding a decent women who does not need your money is the best starting place.

3. Young women from Eastern Europe leaving for a better life in Paradise? No its not really happening so much unless you at least have something to offer, what women wants to move to a shit hole where she is expected to start work as soon as she arrives to help pay the bills. It's not easy to find a younger women 30-39 But you can do it if you're ready to spend some time and do some traveling.

4. Is it safe for Americans to visit Russia ? Yes of course it is!! There are thousands living here.. best to check out some "Moscow expat" groups in Facebook to get the low down on that and see for yourself. Forget about Western media! Checkout some expat groups in Russia, the truth is out there.   https://russiable.com/foreigners-travel-russia-requirements-coronavirus/

5. As I have already said under no circumstances waste your life and money searching for a Ukrainian women, doing this will already put you on the path to success.

OK UNDERSTOOD. loud and clear! ha I am not going to go to Ukraine and will not waste time there.  I have been to Russia.  The woman I met even though she lived in a typical soviet era apartment and drove a Lada car was exceptionally generous with her time and whatever resources she had. She was an independent working Muscovite.  Similar to a woman I would find in new york city.  This was in 2011.  Anyway this is invaluable advice as I have heard a ton of myths and urban legends about Ukrainian women.

[2tallbill]

With the respect due Bill, I dissent.


Point is, fanciful dreams take time, money, patience, hard work, persistence and good luck to achieve. Does this sound like it happens overnight?

It takes 3-5K to visit a girl, that is not fanciful. Writing real live girls that have
hopes and dreams for years at a time while never visiting is as narcissistic as
most things I can think of.

Building and flying a plane takes a huge commitment of time and money. Planes
both built and yet to be built are unfeeling objects. Taking years to do it doesn't waste the time of some poor girl (that perhaps has children) halfway around the world.
 

[Lord of the Dance]

I had this vision of you in a Nursing home at 80 years old. You were going around the facility with a walker talking to the nurses.

You were going around and telling those who would listen, "I'm going to Ukraine next year to find my wife...really I am! 

I hope it doesn't come to that... I don't look good in diapers (ask me how I know). 

[Lord of the Dance]

2. Stick to seeking a Russian women in general they ain't going to be in your wallet. Better still find a Russian women with a good job (There are loads) And even her own apartment (There are loads) And take it from there. There are lots of Americans in Russia living 3 months here three months in the US and so on, finding a decent women who does not need your money is the best starting place.

This....as a general rule in dating, especially if you're a bloke who has stuff.
...

Sometime I'm going to start a topic for this sort of discussion, though I don't want to hijack this guy's thread... just pointing out that not all who are wandering are lost.

Regarding money, I suspect that at the least many of you find it unwise of me to talk about what I have, and perhaps at the most you think I'm obnoxious and boastful. Maybe I am unwise. Maybe I am boastful. But I'm not going to hide in shame from who I am or what I have. My grandpa died this past fall at the age of 91. He died of cancer, but he had been depressed for many years, struggling terribly despite our best efforts to help him. He was worth over $100 million dollars, but his life was miserable - it breaks my heart because he was a wonderful person. My parents are a little better off, but not by much. I'm not going to live my life all sad and miserable and depressed - I'm going to enjoy all the nice things I have, knowing full well that if I lost those things tomorrow, I'd be the same exact person I am today, just with less shit. The way I dress, If you saw me on the street you'd likely think I'm a member of the lower class (probably something I need to work on) but how to become involved in dating women, remain honest about myself, and yet avoid being taken to the cleaners, is something that still stymies me. Mind you, this is a conundrum indifferent to geography or language, and one in which legalities like prenuptial agreements only reach so far. Reading the heart is a skill of interpretation, acquired by calculated risks that I haven't yet learned how to weigh. I wish I could just meet a woman of means to take money out of the equation, but given how my grandpa structured his estate, this would appear an unreasonable hope.

[Lord of the Dance]

With the respect due Bill, I dissent.


Point is, fanciful dreams take time, money, patience, hard work, persistence and good luck to achieve. Does this sound like it happens overnight?

It takes 3-5K to visit a girl, that is not fanciful. Writing real live girls that have
hopes and dreams for years at a time while never visiting is as narcissistic as
most things I can think of.

Building and flying a plane takes a huge commitment of time and money. Planes
both built and yet to be built are unfeeling objects. Taking years to do it doesn't waste the time of some poor girl (that perhaps has children) halfway around the world.

Touché Bill.

[Lord of the Dance]

I will give you the best advice ever..

1. Forget about Ukrainian women, forget about Ukraine, you will waste your life going back and forth being scammed and robbed. Don't do it. Even better still ask anyone here if they know of any guys who married Ukrainian women recently ? Naaa none!

2. Stick to seeking a Russian women in general they ain't going to be in your wallet. Better still find a Russian women with a good job (There are loads) And even her own apartment (There are loads) And take it from there. There are lots of Americans in Russia living 3 months here three months in the US and so on, finding a decent women who does not need your money is the best starting place.

3. Young women from Eastern Europe leaving for a better life in Paradise? No its not really happening so much unless you at least have something to offer, what women wants to move to a shit hole where she is expected to start work as soon as she arrives to help pay the bills. It's not easy to find a younger women 30-39 But you can do it if you're ready to spend some time and do some traveling.

4. Is it safe for Americans to visit Russia ? Yes of course it is!! There are thousands living here.. best to check out some "Moscow expat" groups in Facebook to get the low down on that and see for yourself. Forget about Western media! Checkout some expat groups in Russia, the truth is out there.   https://russiable.com/foreigners-travel-russia-requirements-coronavirus/

5. As I have already said under no circumstances waste your life and money searching for a Ukrainian women, doing this will already put you on the path to success.

When Mr. Trump is back in the White House I am hopeful that relations with Russia will begin to improve.

[B.B.]

I am not going to go to Ukraine and will not waste time there.  ... Anyway this is invaluable advice as I have heard a ton of myths and urban legends about Ukrainian women.

There are good and bad women everywhere.  Don't be fooled by someone's individual political POV.

B/B

[Steveboy]

I am not going to go to Ukraine and will not waste time there.  ... Anyway this is invaluable advice as I have heard a ton of myths and urban legends about Ukrainian women.

There are good and bad women everywhere.  Don't be fooled by someone's individual political POV.

B/B

Yes I agree with that 100% Not every women in Russia is perfect, the same goes for any country. I am sure there are a FEW good women in Ukraine BUT the difference is , it may take you 10 years to find that women and in that 10 years your going to loose so much money and wast so much time.. it simply is not worth the hassle..

I have been running Ukrainian dating site for over 10 years , we have nearly have zero young women on that site.. for the simple reason all the young women are only interested in scamming guys.. 

So come on BB be honest have all your trips to Ukraine to meet these young chicks been scam free? I very much doubt it, in fact I would stake my life on it that nearly every time you are in Ukraine your used simply for your money.. Of course in your situation looking for some young girl for fun, its no problem if it costs you.. but its no different than paying hookers..

[Faux Pas]

Sometime I'm going to start a topic for this sort of discussion, though I don't want to hijack this guy's thread... just pointing out that not all who are wandering are lost.

Regarding money, I suspect that at the least many of you find it unwise of me to talk about what I have, and perhaps at the most you think I'm obnoxious and boastful. Maybe I am unwise. Maybe I am boastful. But I'm not going to hide in shame from who I am or what I have. My grandpa died this past fall at the age of 91. He died of cancer, but he had been depressed for many years, struggling terribly despite our best efforts to help him. He was worth over $100 million dollars, but his life was miserable - it breaks my heart because he was a wonderful person. My parents are a little better off, but not by much. I'm not going to live my life all sad and miserable and depressed - I'm going to enjoy all the nice things I have, knowing full well that if I lost those things tomorrow, I'd be the same exact person I am today, just with less shit. The way I dress, If you saw me on the street you'd likely think I'm a member of the lower class (probably something I need to work on) but how to become involved in dating women, remain honest about myself, and yet avoid being taken to the cleaners, is something that still stymies me. Mind you, this is a conundrum indifferent to geography or language, and one in which legalities like prenuptial agreements only reach so far. Reading the heart is a skill of interpretation, acquired by calculated risks that I haven't yet learned how to weigh. I wish I could just meet a woman of means to take money out of the equation, but given how my grandpa structured his estate, this would appear an unreasonable hope.

I've never had a lot of shit. In fact I started out with nothing and still have most of it left. So, you can consider this advice worth the price you paid for it.

If you are indeed searching for a woman to spend the rest of your life with, paranoia will torpedo your efforts. You be you rather that's flaunting your wealth, living like a Hobo or somewhere in between. Follow your heart, not your penis or your brain. Paranoia will prevent you from finding that woman that your hearts desire and cause you to not see her even when you're looking at her eye to eye. Paranoia will almost assuredly lead you to the prettiest face and biggest tits.

First you need to find the woman which will steal your heart, not your lust or the cranial calculations. Then you'll need to take as many trips as it takes to convince your heart, she is the right one. When you find her and convinced yourself she is the one, she'll be worth half your shit. If she isn't, keep looking.

My point here is if half your shit is at the top of your priority list, you'll never find her, Hire a woman to come clean your house and clean your pipes twice a week. You can revel in all the money you saved. Prenups are only as good as the paper they are written on. In the end, their worth is who has the best lawyer. Your best option is to not need one at all

[B.B.]

Yes I agree with that 100% Not every women in Russia is perfect, the same goes for any country. I am sure there are a FEW good women in Ukraine BUT the difference is , it may take you 10 years to find that women and in that 10 years your going to loose so much money and wast so much time.. it simply is not worth the hassle..

I have been running Ukrainian dating site for over 10 years , we have nearly have zero young women on that site.. for the simple reason all the young women are only interested in scamming guys.. 

So come on BB be honest have all your trips to Ukraine to meet these young chicks been scam free? I very much doubt it, in fact I would stake my life on it that nearly every time you are in Ukraine your used simply for your money.. Of course in your situation looking for some young girl for fun, its no problem if it costs you.. but its no different than paying hookers..

Le sigh.  You don't need to concern yourself with me, Steve.  I don't put girls on allowances, and my vetting process is fine-tuned, plus I have local friends who can vet for me also, with a native's eyes, and (for those that are women) with a woman's eyes.  Girls who show the wrong tendencies get cut from the team, quickly and mercilessly. 

B/B 

[Bodine]

2. Stick to seeking a Russian women in general they ain't going to be in your wallet. Better still find a Russian women with a good job (There are loads) And even her own apartment (There are loads) And take it from there. There are lots of Americans in Russia living 3 months here three months in the US and so on, finding a decent women who does not need your money is the best starting place.

This....as a general rule in dating, especially if you're a bloke who has stuff.
...

Sometime I'm going to start a topic for this sort of discussion,…<snip>… I wish I could just meet a woman of means to take money out of the equation,….an unreasonable hope.

Yeah, well, FYI - that fairy tale have been talked about, planned, rehearsed, played by more than a few men of suits over the years in these fora; for most if not all, found out why they’re called fairy tales to begin with.

Better if you just try ‘life’ then live it. Reality will always outlast fantasies.

I still remember the forum immortal words of a long ago wise Russian woman: “You want guarantees? Buy a toaster!”

Find ‘you’ and you’ll find all else that you seek in life.

[Contrarian]

Yes I agree with that 100% Not every women in Russia is perfect, the same goes for any country. I am sure there are a FEW good women in Ukraine BUT the difference is , it may take you 10 years to find that women and in that 10 years your going to loose so much money and wast so much time.. it simply is not worth the hassle..

I have been running Ukrainian dating site for over 10 years , we have nearly have zero young women on that site.. for the simple reason all the young women are only interested in scamming guys.. 

So come on BB be honest have all your trips to Ukraine to meet these young chicks been scam free? I very much doubt it, in fact I would stake my life on it that nearly every time you are in Ukraine your used simply for your money.. Of course in your situation looking for some young girl for fun, its no problem if it costs you.. but its no different than paying hookers..

Le sigh.  You don't need to concern yourself with me, Steve.  I don't put girls on allowances, and my vetting process is fine-tuned, plus I have local friends who can vet for me also, with a native's eyes, and (for those that are women) with a woman's eyes.  Girls who show the wrong tendencies get cut from the team, quickly and mercilessly. 

B/B

Don't you mean harem? 

[Steveboy]

Yes I agree with that 100% Not every women in Russia is perfect, the same goes for any country. I am sure there are a FEW good women in Ukraine BUT the difference is , it may take you 10 years to find that women and in that 10 years your going to loose so much money and wast so much time.. it simply is not worth the hassle..

I have been running Ukrainian dating site for over 10 years , we have nearly have zero young women on that site.. for the simple reason all the young women are only interested in scamming guys.. 

So come on BB be honest have all your trips to Ukraine to meet these young chicks been scam free? I very much doubt it, in fact I would stake my life on it that nearly every time you are in Ukraine your used simply for your money.. Of course in your situation looking for some young girl for fun, its no problem if it costs you.. but its no different than paying hookers..

Le sigh.  You don't need to concern yourself with me, Steve.  I don't put girls on allowances, and my vetting process is fine-tuned, plus I have local friends who can vet for me also, with a native's eyes, and (for those that are women) with a woman's eyes.  Girls who show the wrong tendencies get cut from the team, quickly and mercilessly. 

B/B

Don't you mean harem? 

Well I have a fair few mates here in St Petersburg who married their Russian wives who already have apartments .. moved in and doing very well.. wives never asked anything of them.. Or some have moved in .. bought a bigger place and renting the wife's place out.. Actually there are hundreds of such people here..

The people I know .. the wife is NEVER in his pocket ever.. just normal people..

[Steveboy]

Yes I agree with that 100% Not every women in Russia is perfect, the same goes for any country. I am sure there are a FEW good women in Ukraine BUT the difference is , it may take you 10 years to find that women and in that 10 years your going to loose so much money and wast so much time.. it simply is not worth the hassle..

I have been running Ukrainian dating site for over 10 years , we have nearly have zero young women on that site.. for the simple reason all the young women are only interested in scamming guys.. 

So come on BB be honest have all your trips to Ukraine to meet these young chicks been scam free? I very much doubt it, in fact I would stake my life on it that nearly every time you are in Ukraine your used simply for your money.. Of course in your situation looking for some young girl for fun, its no problem if it costs you.. but its no different than paying hookers..

Le sigh.  You don't need to concern yourself with me, Steve.  I don't put girls on allowances, and my vetting process is fine-tuned, plus I have local friends who can vet for me also, with a native's eyes, and (for those that are women) with a woman's eyes.  Girls who show the wrong tendencies get cut from the team, quickly and mercilessly. 

B/B

You need to write a book on the subject then.. You could probably sell loads of them to the 99.5% who waste their lives seeking. women from Ukraine..

Your sounding just like the guys who spend years and years on dating sites saying stuff like "I might be 70 BUT I look like Im 40" Whilst running around women young enough to be the grand daughter .. Of course its nice to have a younger wife.. nothing wrong with that BUT 40/45 years younger ..Yes plenty doing it..

[Contrarian]

Yes I agree with that 100% Not every women in Russia is perfect, the same goes for any country. I am sure there are a FEW good women in Ukraine BUT the difference is , it may take you 10 years to find that women and in that 10 years your going to loose so much money and wast so much time.. it simply is not worth the hassle..

I have been running Ukrainian dating site for over 10 years , we have nearly have zero young women on that site.. for the simple reason all the young women are only interested in scamming guys.. 

So come on BB be honest have all your trips to Ukraine to meet these young chicks been scam free? I very much doubt it, in fact I would stake my life on it that nearly every time you are in Ukraine your used simply for your money.. Of course in your situation looking for some young girl for fun, its no problem if it costs you.. but its no different than paying hookers..

Le sigh.  You don't need to concern yourself with me, Steve.  I don't put girls on allowances, and my vetting process is fine-tuned, plus I have local friends who can vet for me also, with a native's eyes, and (for those that are women) with a woman's eyes.  Girls who show the wrong tendencies get cut from the team, quickly and mercilessly. 

B/B

You need to write a book on the subject then.. You could probably sell loads of them to the 99.5% who waste their lives seeking. women from Ukraine..

Your sounding just like the guys who spend years and years on dating sites saying stuff like "I might be 70 BUT I look like Im 40" Whilst running around women young enough to be the grand daughter .. Of course its nice to have a younger wife.. nothing wrong with that BUT 40/45 years younger ..Yes plenty doing it..

He isn't interested in getting married.