The GOP Debate

[2tallbill]

If anyone wants to read a transcript of the debate you can do it here

https://rollcall.com/2023/08/24/transcript-gop-presidential-hopefuls-debate-in-milwaukee/

[AvHdB]

You know the media and the powers to be in D.C. are concerned when you see this sort of ‘reporting’. Why am I not surprised it is from MSNBC?

[BC]

You know the media and the powers to be in D.C. are concerned when you see this sort of ‘reporting’. Why am I not surprised it is from MSNBC?

Was anything stated untrue?

[AvHdB]

You know the media and the powers to be in D.C. are concerned when you see this sort of ‘reporting’. Why am I not surprised it is from MSNBC?

Was anything stated untrue?

Yes, he has stated that military support for Ukraine would end only if Russia abandons its alliance with China.

But it is overall tone of the ‘reporting’ that is indicative of the media’s fear of another outsider that challenges the powers to be in D.C.

[BC]

Yes, he has stated that military support for Ukraine would end only if Russia abandons its alliance with China.

But it is overall tone of the ‘reporting’ that is indicative of the media’s fear of another outsider that challenges the powers to be in D.C.

Yes, I did hear he stated the RU/China connection, but let's not forget this is a decision Ukraine must make, not the US or any other country.

As for the "tone" that happens on all sides and is not unique to MSNBC.  Was the commentary factual? For the most part, I'd say yes as well.

[Faux Pas]

You know the media and the powers to be in D.C. are concerned when you see this sort of ‘reporting’. Why am I not surprised it is from MSNBC?

Was anything stated untrue?

What was untrue about Ramaswamy's "truth"? It is a hit piece designed to lead one to believe Ramaswamy is nothing more than a "conspiracy theorist" based on his anti woke agenda. No doubt Ramaswamy got your ire with his declaration truth of only 2 genders?

AvHdB, nothing unusual and nothing to see here. While MSNBC is one of the constant big offenders of dis and misinformation it certainly isn't the only one. This practice of fake journalism is prevalent across all mainstream media and platforms in the US. It works on the mantra of "if you repeat the lie long enough it becomes truth".

You know like Jospeh Goebbels but BC is an ardent supporter of lies and misinformation as long as it supports the sheeple narrative

[Bodine]

Yes, I did hear he stated the RU/China connection, but let's not forget this is a decision Ukraine must make, not the US or any other country.

 

Now that’s funny!!

[Contrarian]

Not Bizarro at all, perfectly wonderful!

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ramaswamy-trump-musk-advisors-1234812955/

[rosco]

You know the media and the powers to be in D.C. are concerned when you see this sort of ‘reporting’. Why am I not surprised it is from MSNBC?

Was anything stated untrue?

You know full well that it's not about the facts, its how they are presented and the story they are trying to form.

He's exactly the kind of young, hungry, smart and well positioned person the US needs as its commander in chief. Of course the establishment will see him as a huge threat and we can expect the usual mud to be thrown, in his direction. The machine will be working over time from now on in.

[rosco]

Yes, I did hear he stated the RU/China connection, but let's not forget this is a decision Ukraine must make, not the US or any other country.

A decision that's made much easier, once the hand out's from the entire western world dry up. Ukraine are only as strong as their donors.

[Texan77]

A decision that's made much easier, once the hand out's from the entire western world dry up. Ukraine are only as strong as their donors.

There may not be much left of the Russian army by the time that happens.

[rosco]

A decision that's made much easier, once the hand out's from the entire western world dry up. Ukraine are only as strong as their donors.

There may not be much left of the Russian army by the time that happens.

Can you expand on that?

The Ukrainian offensive hasn't even reached the first lines of defence yet and losses are somewhere between 4/10 - 1 in Russia's favour. The first new batch of freshly trained recruits are coming through along with brand new off the assembly line equipment and Russia are rumoured to be pouring an additional 100,000 troops into their own offensive this week.

I'm unsure why you think the Russian army is disappearing?

[AvHdB]

Note: Reply is in Russian losses thread.

[2tallbill]

Yes, I did hear he stated the RU/China connection, but let's not forget this is a decision Ukraine must make, not the US or any other country.

The US and the US alone makes decisions about financial support to who, under
what circumstances and what strings might be attached. Tanzania doesn't tell the
USA what we must do in order to send them aid. Having said that, it's smart to
understand the situation, if we send blankets when they need mosquito nets we
are just wasting the money (not that the government would ever waste money).

Ukraine is similar, we don't want to send crap they don't need. But we can say
don't attack Moscow for example or the aid will stop. We will have strings
attached to the aid for better or worse.

[2tallbill]

Was anything stated untrue?

1. Ramaswamy never made any type of claim, real or implied that Thomas Jefferson
supported his positions. People can quote other people without claiming that they
endorse you or your ideas. He simply wan't plagerizing like Biden has been caught
doing repeatedly.

2. Ramaswamy never said that 9-11 was an inside job.

My question "Is there a single one of Ramaswamy's truths that is not 100% true?"
I will concede that it's impossible to prove or disprove God, but there are nine more.

[2tallbill]

I am ordering two books on Amazon

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AND

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[rosco]

He simply wan't plagerizing like Biden has been caught doing repeatedly.

Or lying.

I'm yet to see BC and his kind foam up each time Biden lies about who he is, what he's done and things he's doing. He literally makes it up on the spot and the anti Trump mob seem to be quite silent when this happens. Trump accidentally misquotes one figure during a two hour speech and the main stream explodes.

Now we have the new kid on the block who makes Joe Biden look like a weekend at Bernies, and they're piling in already. Sad or what 

[rosco]

This bloke is exactly the type of President the US needs, in order to make sensible decisions at home and project power and competence abroad.

[2tallbill]

You know full well that it's not about the facts, its how they are presented and the story they are trying to form.

He's exactly the kind of young, hungry, smart and well positioned person the US needs as its commander in chief. Of course the establishment will see him as a huge threat and we can expect the usual mud to be thrown, in his direction. The machine will be working over time from now on in.

The treatment Trump received after winning is the new normal from the left.
Nobody on the left got punished after the Russian hoax and the endless illegal
prosecutions and impeachments of Trump

Ramaswamy or whoever the GOP nominates is going to get the same. The left has
to be defeated and stopped. The justice department and IRS has to be rebuilt from
the ground up or everything they did to Trump will happen all over again with whoever
is next.

51 former intelligence officials who signed the now-discredited letter that claimed Hunter Biden’s abandoned laptop had “all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.” Zero have been punished, nobody is afraid of the consequenses. 

LASTLY.

Brown people are not allowed to be Republicans by the left. If Brown
people win it's idiotic to call Republicans racist when they get 75-80 million votes.

If they are black then the left calls them Uncle Tom's, but Ramaswamy isn't black,
Reverse racism is racism, but the left can't help it, they have to do it. What racist
name will the left call him? They have to call him something bad/racist.

Abu? Slum dog millionaire? Anyone want to guess what the Media, Harvard Elite, 
radical racist woke left will call him?

[Jonas!]

Next debate in less than 2 weeks.   

It would be horrible if Desantis or Haley somehow win.   
Ramaswarmy is more palatable to me. 
Hopefully at some point Trump joins in.  I'd like to see Christie and his aggressive attitude clash with Trump.   I'm glad to see little Marco Rubio out of the picture after Christie demolished him.   

Jonas! 

[2tallbill]

Next debate in less than 2 weeks.   

It would be horrible if Desantis or Haley somehow win.   
Ramaswarmy is more palatable to me. 
Hopefully at some point Trump joins in.  I'd like to see Christie and his aggressive attitude clash with Trump.   I'm glad to see little Marco Rubio out of the picture after Christie demolished him.   

Jonas!

Christie started out in the DOJ and is part of the swamp, do you really want to see the them to
continue using the DOJ as a weapon against their enemies? Or more wars? Watch the video
below.

I really like Ramaswarmy, the more I hear him speak the more I like him.

[Jonas!]

Next debate in less than 2 weeks.   

It would be horrible if Desantis or Haley somehow win.   
Ramaswarmy is more palatable to me. 
Hopefully at some point Trump joins in.  I'd like to see Christie and his aggressive attitude clash with Trump.   I'm glad to see little Marco Rubio out of the picture after Christie demolished him.   

Jonas!

Christie started out in the DOJ and is part of the swamp, do you really want to see the them to
continue using the DOJ as a weapon against their enemies? Or more wars? Watch the video
below.

I really like Ramaswarmy, the more I hear him speak the more I like him.

Reminds me of the 'rape rooms' and other pictures they try to create in our little minds.  I believe very little from Christie and don't want him to win, but it would be entertaining to watch him try to attack trump.  I don't think he would have as much success as he did verses rubio.   He is strictly to be used as a hatchet man nowadays...whether he knows it or not.   I wish he would ax Haley like he did rubio.   

Jonas!   

[2tallbill]

Jonas!   

I would love to see Haley out as well. Haley, Pence and Christie are just taking up space.

[Texan77]

Jonas!   

I would love to see Haley out as well. Haley, Pence and Christie are just taking up space.

Yea they are the only ones likely to get elected. So, they are likely not to survive and we are going to get four more years of Biden.

[2tallbill]

Yea they are the only ones likely to get elected. So, they are likely not to survive and we
are going to get four more years of Biden.

I'll bite, give me your reasoning (if you can).