Prigozhin Reported Dead

[Manny]

As I and many here predicted, Prigozhin is reported dead: Wagner leader 'killed in private jet crash' in Russia months after coup against Putin

If he is the traitor Putin spoke of, he'll no doubt fall out of a window or drink a toxic cup of tea before long. Either way, Wagner will be no more - or not in its current form, and this bloke Prigozhin is likely a walking dead man.

I think it's a given that if you challenge Putin's authority, and fail, there's only one outcome. He will have known that.

[Texan77]

As I and many here predicted, Prigozhin is reported dead: Wagner leader 'killed in private jet crash' in Russia months after coup against Putin

If he is the traitor Putin spoke of, he'll no doubt fall out of a window or drink a toxic cup of tea before long. Either way, Wagner will be no more - or not in its current form, and this bloke Prigozhin is likely a walking dead man.

I think it's a given that if you challenge Putin's authority, and fail, there's only one outcome. He will have known that.

Yea the plane crashed and killed everyone on board. That real Russian!!

[Manny]

As I and many here predicted, Prigozhin is reported dead: Wagner leader 'killed in private jet crash' in Russia months after coup against Putin

If he is the traitor Putin spoke of, he'll no doubt fall out of a window or drink a toxic cup of tea before long. Either way, Wagner will be no more - or not in its current form, and this bloke Prigozhin is likely a walking dead man.

I think it's a given that if you challenge Putin's authority, and fail, there's only one outcome. He will have known that.

Yea the plane crashed and killed everyone on board. That real Russian!!

Is there a point you are attempting to make?

[Texan77]

Is there a point you are attempting to make?

I am glade your family was not on that flight. Nine other people also died. But when Russia wants to kill someone, a few bystanders do not get it the way. Real Nazi of them. He was going to land in Moscow so why not arrest him?

[AvHdB]

The aircraft was an Embraer 600, considered a safe Western built executive jet. It was flying from Moscow to St. Petersburg. Some reports say it was downed by a missile.

[Bodine]

As I and many here predicted, Prigozhin is reported dead: Wagner leader 'killed in private jet crash' in Russia months after coup against Putin

If he is the traitor Putin spoke of, he'll no doubt fall out of a window or drink a toxic cup of tea before long. Either way, Wagner will be no more - or not in its current form, and this bloke Prigozhin is likely a walking dead man.

I think it's a given that if you challenge Putin's authority, and fail, there's only one outcome. He will have known that.

Strictly speculation on my part, but what if it isn't Putin?

Americans are ordered to leave Belarus ASAP with all the activities along the border with Poland and Lithuania, and things are getting very hot in Africa. Things are starting to unravel at the global seams. Not to mention China in the Pacific corridor...

Thus, Priz was on his way back from meeting with Putin in Moscow, was he not? Why 'kill him' with all this madness going on?

[Markje]

The wife thinks it was shojgu that ordered this hit.

Either way, good riddance to Utkin as well

[Texan77]

There was a hostess, pilot and copilot who were likely just doing their job. All dead now.

They had just returned from Africa where Wagner is an import part of Russia's foreign policy. So, the USA is very interested if he is really dead or not. Markje your wife maybe right about this one. The question here is how much this will cost Russia's foreign policy in Africa?

The Ukrainians were really happy to see Wagner forces gone.

[AvHdB]

Not entirely sure who/where the expression comes from but it is; live by the sword, die by the sword.

[Orchid]

As I and many here predicted, Prigozhin is reported dead: Wagner leader 'killed in private jet crash' in Russia months after coup against Putin

If he is the traitor Putin spoke of, he'll no doubt fall out of a window or drink a toxic cup of tea before long. Either way, Wagner will be no more - or not in its current form, and this bloke Prigozhin is likely a walking dead man.

I think it's a given that if you challenge Putin's authority, and fail, there's only one outcome. He will have known that.

Strictly speculation on my part, but what if it isn't Putin?

Americans are ordered to leave Belarus ASAP with all the activities along the border with Poland and Lithuania, and things are getting very hot in Africa. Things are starting to unravel at the global seams. Not to mention China in the Pacific corridor...

Thus, Priz was on his way back from meeting with Putin in Moscow, was he not? Why 'kill him' with all this madness going on?

Post COVID global psychosis.

[AvHdB]

The wife thinks it was shojgu that ordered this hit.

Either way, good riddance to Utkin as well

While I have heard the name of Utkin. I was not aware of him; from Wikipedia is the below.

According to several news outlets, Utkin was an admirer of Nazi Germany and had multiple Nazi tattoos, including Schutzstaffel (SS) insignia. Utkin also reportedly called himself Wagner after German composer Richard Wagner, because his work was greatly admired by Adolf Hitler and was appropriated by the Nazis

[rosco]

Is there a point you are attempting to make?

I am glade your family was not on that flight. Nine other people also died. But when Russia wants to kill someone, a few bystanders do not get it the way. Real Nazi of them. He was going to land in Moscow so why not arrest him?

You do know that it was a private jet? 

[AJ]

The wife thinks it was shojgu that ordered this hit.

Either way, good riddance to Utkin as well

While I have heard the name of Utkin. I was not aware of him; from Wikipedia is the below.

According to several news outlets, Utkin was an admirer of Nazi Germany and had multiple Nazi tattoos, including Schutzstaffel (SS) insignia. Utkin also reportedly called himself Wagner after German composer Richard Wagner, because his work was greatly admired by Adolf Hitler and was appropriated by the Nazis

I posted his pic, with SS tattoos about 20 times here when manny was regurgitating  puti's anti nazi b.s. in a nazis in ukraine thread,when the invasion started.
He was a key player in 2014,and awarded at a kremlin reception in 2016 for his performance in donbas.

I said it then ,and it remains true ,
puti is perfectly  fine with *his nazis* .
As long as he can control them.

And in this case the neo nazi leaders of the entire 2014 donbas seperartist movement were eliminated like the other earlier,when they were no longer useful idiots.

Speaking of useful idiots anyone seen peskov, or girkin lately?

[AJ]

There was a hostess, pilot and copilot who were likely just doing their job. All dead now.

They had just returned from Africa where Wagner is an import part of Russia's foreign policy. So, the USA is very interested if he is really dead or not. Markje your wife maybe right about this one. The question here is how much this will cost Russia's foreign policy in Africa?

The Ukrainians were really happy to see Wagner forces gone.

They were operating a jet owned by wagner pmc and were  in wagners employ.

Innocent is a stretch.

[Texan77]

There was a hostess, pilot and copilot who were likely just doing their job. All dead now.

They had just returned from Africa where Wagner is an import part of Russia's foreign policy. So, the USA is very interested if he is really dead or not. Markje your wife maybe right about this one. The question here is how much this will cost Russia's foreign policy in Africa?

The Ukrainians were really happy to see Wagner forces gone.

They were operating a jet owned by wagner pmc and were  in wagners employ.

Innocent is a stretch.

Crew seldom stays with the same jet. This was a business jet, and they take different passengers to different places the crew changes planes often. They usually work for a company that supplies crews for jets like this. Even if they employed full time by Wagner there were just a pilot, copilot and hostess who found a job. The five other guys were security guards Wagner hired. Who convicted them of anything. No body want to talk about the other people that got killed.

Two months ago, these guys were all Russian Heros. The security guards might have been helpful in capturing territory in Ukraine. At their level they likely had little to do with planning or anything else Wagner did that upset Putin or the Russian powers to be. Look how easy it is to say they needed to die. That what being around and reading Russian NAZIs propaganda does to a person. Why could they not wait until the Jet landed and not kill these people and arrest them if they did anything and try them for their crimes.

[2tallbill]

Not entirely sure who/where the expression comes from but it is; live by the sword, die by the sword.

It was Jesus talking to Peter "Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into
his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."

[Manny]

Crew seldom stays with the same jet. This was a business jet, and they take different passengers to different places the crew changes planes often. They usually work for a company that supplies crews for jets like this. Even if they employed full time by Wagner there were just a pilot, copilot and hostess who found a job. The five other guys were security guards Wagner hired. Who convicted them of anything. No body want to talk about the other people that got killed.

Two months ago, these guys were all Russian Heros. The security guards might have been helpful in capturing territory in Ukraine. At their level they likely had little to do with planning or anything else Wagner did that upset Putin or the Russian powers to be. Look how easy it is to say they needed to die. That what being around and reading Russian NAZIs propaganda does to a person. Why could they not wait until the Jet landed and not kill these people and arrest them if they did anything and try them for their crimes.

Do you agonise about the millions of innocent people the US has killed all over the world? Or the Clinton body bags? Or the innocent people in Donbass killed by US arms and funding since 2014? Nope. Crickets and snoring if that is mentioned.

[Texan77]

This is just total gangster mentality. He was on the ground in Moscow and could been taken out without killing others. So, Manny blaming the USA as being worse to cover up for the Russian government's crimes. Just show me where we shot down a jet and killed everyone on board to get a "criminal" who was not really wanted.  Landed in Moscow and was there for days. His where abouts was known. No real excuse for this.




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[Manny]

So, Manny blaming the USA as being worse to cover up for the Russian government's crimes.

It was a simple question, again: Do you agonise about the millions of innocent people the US has killed all over the world? Or the Clinton body bags? Or the innocent people in Donbass killed by US arms and funding since 2014?

[AvHdB]

So, Manny blaming the USA as being worse to cover up for the Russian government's crimes.

It was a simple question, again: Do you agonise about the millions of innocent people the US has killed all over the world? Or the Clinton body bags? Or the innocent people in Donbass killed by US arms and funding since 2014?

A double standard, while America is indeed guilty. It is obvious that you choose to ignore Russian and the predecessor states. I could supply a list of atrocities that the Kremlin has committed, just give me a start date.

[Manny]

Looking at the passenger list on the plane, it seems to me that it's rather uncertain this came from the top of Russia's government. Would Russia want all those blokes gone? Who else might have a motive to kill those specific people? Ukraine? The US?

From what I have read, the plane had some "unusual repairs" delaying take off, and a "wine case bomb" might have been responsible. So if we assume this bomb was placed on board during the "repairs", if Prigozhin alone was the target, it seems a messy and public way to do it. They could have bumped him off quietly without such a dramatic event that was sure to get the attention of the world's media.

More the kind of event an enemy of Russia might engineer knowing the MSM will be howling "Putin did it" right on cue.

[AvHdB]

Not sure which source it was but a couple days ago I read a report that what downed the jet was NOT a surface missile. Further I have read less credible sources saying that Prizzy was going to defect to Ukraine and was shifting weapons and munitions to Ukraine.

[Halo]

Do you agonise about the millions of innocent people the US has killed all over the world? Or the Clinton body bags? Or the innocent people in Donbass killed by US arms and funding since 2014? Nope. Crickets and snoring if that is mentioned.

Please list these "millions" killed by the US.  I need accurate body counts rather than your usual anti American rhetoric.  I state this as someone who opposed the US invasion of Iraq, and have followed the "body counts" closely.

Clinton body bags.  ROFL.

3,404 civlians killed in Donbas, mostly by Russian supported forces and the landmines they planted.

[Halo]

Looking at the passenger list on the plane, it seems to me that it's rather uncertain this came from the top of Russia's government. Would Russia want all those blokes gone? Who else might have a motive to kill those specific people? Ukraine? The US?

From what I have read, the plane had some "unusual repairs" delaying take off, and a "wine case bomb" might have been responsible. So if we assume this bomb was placed on board during the "repairs", if Prigozhin alone was the target, it seems a messy and public way to do it. They could have bumped him off quietly without such a dramatic event that was sure to get the attention of the world's media.

More the kind of event an enemy of Russia might engineer knowing the MSM will be howling "Putin did it" right on cue.

ROFL again.  Yeah, right.  The US has spies planted at airports in Moscow.   I suppose they also orchestrated Putin's next day comments about "traitors".

The FSB could have bumped off a lot of people in ways that are far less messy than novichok poisonings or shootings in the middle of a Moscow street.  But they didn't, and they in time always "tell" us that they were responsible.  They're already not denying any rumours.  That should tell you all you need to know.

The better half has a far different take to me on all this.  He said he's happy about all of this, because it exposes the leadership and oligarchs for who they really are - ruthless pigs who hold nothing sacred, beyond their personal balance sheets.  He's referring to both Russiand and Ukrainians, BTW.  He has no sympathy for any of them, on either side.  He does have sympathy for their soldier and civilian victims.

[B.B.]

I think it's a given that if you challenge Putin's authority, and fail, there's only one outcome. He will have known that.

Yep.  I'm surprised it took this long.  Pity the poor air crew.

B/B