Is it raining US visas in Ukraine?

[Manny]

I have more info. As usual with this site, and other SM for that matter, I wind up answering my own question.

I had video with two girls and decided they were both not legit in their intentions, so I blocked them.

I rather think the question was answered in post 2.

The angle is that girls want money for a bus to Warsaw, then presumably for a flight to the US to hang out with me, haha.

One of the oldest scams in the book.

But the discussion is interesting, nonetheless.

[andrewfi]

Justadude, bearing in mind the nature of the site you are using, any woman is going to expect you to pay for her travel expenses. That's normal.

Your strategy should be to pay for it, if you are wanting to enjoy the sweetness of the sugar, but doing so in such a way that she cannot get cash from refunds on the tickets.

Bear in mind that 'proper' girls on the site will see that an ongoing relationship is more profitable than just the cost of a bus ticket, I'd accept the risk. A few dollars in cash serves to build trust, and if she runs away with it then you know that she was not a good choice.

As a user of the same site, I can say that while not every contact worked out exactly as I might have hoped, I was not ripped off by anyone for travel expenses.

With one exception though, I was dealing with women in the same country and I either donated petrol money or bus fare. In the out of country case I paid for the flight in her name, but with no refund option.

There's ways going to be a risk and it seems fair to me that as the rich host, you should bear the risk. If you haven't got the ability to trust your due diligence and losing some money might upset you then don't do it - it's not the game for you.

Don't forget that the women are also bearing a risk! In my case, I always made sure the women had the money to return home and always booked an hotel room, prepaid, in her name. So if her first impressions made it impossible for her to continue, she had a 'safe place' to stay and the money to go home.

It worked out well for me, I had a lot of fun and now have a fun relationship that has opened up new doors.

PS. In the case of the woman who now occupies a big chunk of my life, after a few meetings and weekends away, we went to Spain. Initially for just a couple of weeks - I was always intending to stay for many weeks - I offered her the opportunity to stay as long as she wanted and before we got on the plane I gave her enough money to fly home. I made it clear she could stay for as long as she wanted as long as it was good for both of us. Six weeks later, we flew home together.

Take a chance, trust but verify, and be a gentleman.

I'd also suggest being proactive! Make an offer in respect of travel and her personal security. Place it in the context of her safety. I told women that I might be a monster and I wanted them to know they were not dependent on me. This strategy paid off well. It also meant that I had no 'negotiations' about money. I made a sensible offer that met their needs and enabled them to feel comfortable and nobody ever tried to ask for more. A potential scammer would, I expect, try to suggest, for example, that she should buy the tickets and you send the money. My strategy obviates the possibility and I would cut off a woman who tried to manipulate me in this way.

[B.B.]

Meeting them on Seeking Arrangement.

And you're surprised?

Still, I'm wondering if anyone else is encountering this.

Nope.  I had a run where I met girls who already had tourist visas already.  I flew a couple to the states bc I was involved with them, and, pre-pandemic, I flew a lot and had tons of miles.  And they showed up, like what you would expect in a normal relationship.  The second a girl starts asking for money, you have to re-evaluate the relationship.

Who wants a 20 something child when you can have a woman that you can have an actual conversation with because she already shared the life experiences you also had.

Believe it or not, you can have actual conversations with people who are younger, older and/or who have different experiences than you do.  I prefer younger women because - at least the ones I choose - don't bitch, are never "too tired" for fun and all of their baggage fits either in the overhead or, more typically, in the seat pocket in front of them.

When sex is your only drive, the relationship will go south quickly when that fades.

^ This type of assumption is for people who lack imagination, who are justifying their own choices or who are simply trying to get older women to nod, by denigrating the free choices of others.

B/B

[andrewfi]

I don't often agree with B/B, but in this I do.
Only difference is that on Seeking, much, but not all of the traffic is women who are seeking some kind of 'reward' for their company.

I was OK with that on mutually agreed terms.

However I was surprised that it usually was not a requirement other than which I told them which was that their money would not work whenever we were together.

All that said, if a woman were to try to alter whatever we agreed she would have been skating on very thin ice.

And yes, sex is fun it does not stop being fun. A benefit of being older is experience and knowledge. This fat old geezer is able to bring surprises and mutual adventures that were beyond the expectations of many younger women.

[andrewfi]

Oh, Bill, up thread is correct. Meet in Warsaw, it's an adventure anyway and you'd have no reason to be alone if things went titsup.

In my case with the girl who went to Spain with me, we had time together in Estonia at nice places. We built trust. No money changed hands, it wasn't needed.

Going to Spain was easy, with the safeguards I insisted on for her protection. We don't need to bother any longer.

If these women insist on going to the USA first then I'd see that as a red flag but not necessarily a deal breaker. But again, if that's too big a risk for you, then don't do it. A woman seeking a genuine sugar baby/daddy relationship should understand that trust is built over time and based on the actions of both parties.

[justadude]

I'm still meeting ukrainian profiles with visas. Just got another message from a girl who claimed to have gotten one before the war. I guess I'm the only one who's fascinated by it. Never saw this before.

[andrewfi]

In that line of business a visa is a business tool. There's nothing surprising about it.

Of course there will be scammers too, and I am sure no shortage of them.

But on a site that specialises in serving people seeking 'arrangements' a U.S visa is going to be pretty much a necessity for an ambitious young and attractive sugar baby.

How they get their visas may be an interesting story, but I'm sure that you'll not be told the truth by any genuine arrangement seeker.

[justadude]

wow you've got a short fuse. Enjoy the night out with the babushka. I hang out with sugar babies in their early 20s. Ok late teens if you count the girl I was with for a year in Bucharest. Proly been a long time since you've had anything like that. But yah, you do dude.

Not everyone wants to buy the services of a woman decades younger.  Some men want a LTR with a family, emotional connection, and love. 

IIRC, I'm the one who told you to just buy the services of a woman, because you were frustrated that 20 something women weren't interested in your dubious "charms". 

I have seen photos of Bill's wife.  She certainly is not a babushka.

I wonder if his wife has any hot 18-25yo daughters or granddaughters

[Manny]

wow you've got a short fuse. Enjoy the night out with the babushka. I hang out with sugar babies in their early 20s. Ok late teens if you count the girl I was with for a year in Bucharest. Proly been a long time since you've had anything like that. But yah, you do dude.

Not everyone wants to buy the services of a woman decades younger.  Some men want a LTR with a family, emotional connection, and love. 

IIRC, I'm the one who told you to just buy the services of a woman, because you were frustrated that 20 something women weren't interested in your dubious "charms". 

I have seen photos of Bill's wife.  She certainly is not a babushka.

I wonder if his wife has any hot 18-25yo daughters or granddaughters

Personal or denigrating comments about members' wives and especially daughters are verboten here. Knock it off, please.

[2tallbill]

I think it's the culture. I'm not saying I'm honest above reproach. But when you get caught dead cold in a lie, coming clean is your best option where I'm from. I think in Ukraine you don't back down.

Many FSU mothers and grandmothers told their daughtes stories about people
getting questioned then sent to Siberia to work/starve to death. Coming clean
was not a viable option. Different history. When in a relationship if you catch a
girl lying, my advice is to kick her to the curb.

[justadude]

Brief update. The U4U program does not issue an actual visa. It's a travel authorization that is sent electronically. The refugee presents this and their passport at the border to gain entry to the promised land. I have submitted the required I134a sponsorship form for a 37yo girl that I dated a few times in Odessa. One sticking point was that I told her she couldn't cook meat in my house. That slowed things down but we got past that bump in the road. I have a case number.  It's time to hurry up and wait.  As I understand it, authorization might come in 2-12 weeks. Stay tuned to see this train derail as have the others, haha.

[rosco]

Brief update. The U4U program does not issue an actual visa. It's a travel authorization that is sent electronically. The refugee presents this and their passport at the border to gain entry to the promised land. I have submitted the required I134a sponsorship form for a 37yo girl that I dated a few times in Odessa. One sticking point was that I told her she couldn't cook meat in my house. That slowed things down but we got past that bump in the road. I have a case number.  It's time to hurry up and wait.  As I understand it, authorization might come in 2-12 weeks. Stay tuned to see this train derail as have the others, haha.

Will you let her BBQ meet in the garden?

[justadude]

Brief update. The U4U program does not issue an actual visa. It's a travel authorization that is sent electronically. The refugee presents this and their passport at the border to gain entry to the promised land. I have submitted the required I134a sponsorship form for a 37yo girl that I dated a few times in Odessa. One sticking point was that I told her she couldn't cook meat in my house. That slowed things down but we got past that bump in the road. I have a case number.  It's time to hurry up and wait.  As I understand it, authorization might come in 2-12 weeks. Stay tuned to see this train derail as have the others, haha.

Will you let her BBQ meet in the garden?

that seems like a reasonable compromise

[2tallbill]

Meeting them on Seeking Arrangement. Still, I'm wondering if anyone else is encountering this.

As far as I know it's only you and Andrew using that site. I approve of you going
to that site because intentions are up front and honest. Andrew had a thread about
his experiences there, I recommend reading it. I think your experiences will be
different and far more expensive. He was seeking out women approximately
twice the age that you do.

At the higher ages it's far easier to find women who just want companionship
and any kopecks they get aside from travel money is icing on the cake and helps
them pay for simple things they need anyway like toiletries and similar minor
things.

In my opinion a twenty something is going to have an entirely different value
and perspective.

I worked to get my wife a tourist visa to the USA. First a Schenghan visa to Spain,
second a visa just for her to the USA, then lastly a Visa for both Angel Eyes and
Smiley Girl (her daughter) to the USA.

I still think it's difficult for twenty somethings to get tourist visa's.

You should post your experiences on a thread here. There are probably others that
would like to do what you are doing.

Udachi!
Bill

[andrewfi]

Bill thanks. I tried to be open and honest in my posts about the site. By the way I've lost the thread, can you link to it?

The relationship with the woman I met is ongoing. In a few days time she will be joining me in Spain for a few weeks before we head off to Croatia to go the a music festival she wanted to go to.

When she is not working we spend a lot of time together back home.

As I said in that thread, for me, it worked out really well. I also said why. I think that it worked well for me for several reasons but at the core I was open minded about what might happen and I was as honest as possible with the women I met.

[andrewfi]

Don't worry Bill, found it: https://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,29855.0.html

[andrewfi]

Just a thought, I met girls of 19 or 20, but I had no intention of anything other than vacations or weekends away. Not a 'relationship'. I can't see such a thing being satisfying for me.

I have a hotty with a matching lifestyle and attitudes. It works. She's 23 years younger but it is not an issue for me. We both benefit, we have a fair exchange of value between us and we both work to make sure that continues.

[Danchik]

Brief update. The U4U program does not issue an actual visa. It's a travel authorization that is sent electronically. The refugee presents this and their passport at the border to gain entry to the promised land. I have submitted the required I134a sponsorship form for a 37yo girl that I dated a few times in Odessa. One sticking point was that I told her she couldn't cook meat in my house. That slowed things down but we got past that bump in the road. I have a case number.  It's time to hurry up and wait.  As I understand it, authorization might come in 2-12 weeks. Stay tuned to see this train derail as have the others, haha.

Will you let her BBQ meet in the garden?

that seems like a reasonable compromise

I'm curious as to why you don't allow anyone to cook meat in your house? Ok, understandable not in the bedroom or bathroom , but not in the kitchen?

I mean i have some nutty vegan friends, but even they aren't this hard core.

[andrewfi]

Dan, I'd be very surprised if there not other issues that are similarly off-kilter.

[Danchik]

Dan, I'd be very surprised if there not other issues that are similarly off-kilter.

I see you're "feeling" me.

[andrewfi]

Dan, I'd be very surprised if there not other issues that are similarly off-kilter.

I see you're "feeling" me.

I rather not feel you, but yeah!

And this unwillingness to accept the mores and choices of a person one is planning to live with seems absolutist. I cannot envisage that kind of attitude going down at all well with a woman who has choices.

A woman with choices might choose to take advantage of our hero - and I am sure that'd not be his preference.

Acceptance and compromise goes a long way!

[Faux Pas]

Brief update. The U4U program does not issue an actual visa. It's a travel authorization that is sent electronically. The refugee presents this and their passport at the border to gain entry to the promised land. I have submitted the required I134a sponsorship form for a 37yo girl that I dated a few times in Odessa. One sticking point was that I told her she couldn't cook meat in my house. That slowed things down but we got past that bump in the road. I have a case number.  It's time to hurry up and wait.  As I understand it, authorization might come in 2-12 weeks. Stay tuned to see this train derail as have the others, haha.

Will you let her BBQ meet in the garden?

that seems like a reasonable compromise

I'm curious as to why you don't allow anyone to cook meat in your house? Ok, understandable not in the bedroom or bathroom , but not in the kitchen?

I mean i have some nutty vegan friends, but even they aren't this hard core.

I'm a bit long in the tooth and have known and met many different types of folks in my life. Vegans included. I've read many of justadudes posts and left only to shake my head and move on. To each his own but to this I must say "eat as I eat or don't eat" to his next unsuspecting victim, has to be the epitome of selfishness.

[Halo]

I'd be very surprised if there not other issues that are similarly off-kilter.

Ya think???

It's fairly obvious, from the first failed relationship he posted about, that justadude is a control freak.  He's not going to change, so best to pay for companionship on a short term basis. 

[rosco]

I'd be very surprised if there not other issues that are similarly off-kilter.

Ya think???

It's fairly obvious, from the first failed relationship he posted about, that justadude is a control freak.  He's not going to change, so best to pay for companionship on a short term basis.

 

[andrewfi]

Hang on was it justadude who sent a series of women into mental breakdowns and was planning to imprison one woman in an isolated location?

I lose track, so apologies if my recollections are faulty.