Is it raining US visas in Ukraine?

[justadude]

I've been chatting with some profiles of girls I've met online in Ukraine recently. Out of the 7 conversations that have gone to Whatsapp or telegram, 5 of them have a US visa and have sent me a picture of it. There have been religious visas, tourist visas and business visas. No refugee visas. In some cases they have redacted some minor information. In other cases they have presented the whole thing.

The angle is that girls want money for a bus to Warsaw, then presumably for a flight to the US to hang out with me, haha. After two approved K1 visas and one 90 day fiance (who stayed with me in California for 73 days), I'd like to think I've seen it all, or at least seen a lot.

Really my question is whether US visas of all types are becoming easy to obtain for ukrainian women. Has anyone else been having similar experiences lately?

Incidentally, I'm also talking to a girl who I dated a few times in Odessa. She does not yet have a visa and wants to take advantage of the U4U program and wants to stay with me. She's 10 years older than the other girls and not generally my target demo, but I'm still talking.

None of the women I've been talking to have reproduced, they would all be coming alone. I suppose that could change when they walk off the plane with their boyfriend, haha.

[Manny]

The angle is that girls want money for a bus to Warsaw, then presumably for a flight to the US to hang out with me, haha.

One of the oldest scams in the book.

[justadude]

The angle is that girls want money for a bus to Warsaw, then presumably for a flight to the US to hang out with me, haha.

One of the oldest scams in the book.

Asking for money for travel I've seen many times before. What I've never seen before is all the US visas. That's what my question is about.

[Markje]

The angle is that girls want money for a bus to Warsaw, then presumably for a flight to the US to hang out with me, haha.

One of the oldest scams in the book.

Asking for money for travel I've seen many times before. What I've never seen before is all the US visas. That's what my question is about.

The visa will be "invalid" when the time comes to fly to the USA. your money is then of course gone up in smoke.

[2tallbill]

Asking for money for travel I've seen many times before. What I've never seen before is all the US visas. That's what my question is about.

A decent graphics artist can make about anything that would stand up to scrutiny
online or a webcam. Walking through US customs is a different matter. I don't
remember your entire story, but I believe you have some coin. Fly to Warsaw.
If a girl with a Visa can meet you there then you have a winner.

Any girl in Ukraine can manage bus fair to Warsaw. Promise to refund the money
once she arrives.

Udachi!
Bill

[AvHdB]

Asking for money for travel I've seen many times before. What I've never seen before is all the US visas. That's what my question is about.

A decent graphics artist can make about anything that would stand up to scrutiny
online or a webcam. Walking through US customs is a different matter. I don't
remember your entire story, but I believe you have some coin. Fly to Warsaw.
If a girl with a Visa can meet you there then you have a winner.

Any girl in Ukraine can manage bus fair to Warsaw. Promise to refund the money
once she arrives.

Udachi!
Bill

Let’s do the simple one first, a refugee visa is a forgery to the United States is a forgery. That door closed months ago.

My guess is the very vast number of visa’s issued by the ‘United States’ are also forgeries. No visa’s as far as I know have been issued since early 2022 in K y i v. The consulate is closed.

The quality though of the fakes are impressive you will need a good quality UV lamp I think at 325 wv λ see the reality. The best suggestion if you think the girl is legitimate is meet in Warsaw and ask the consulate there to confirm if it is the real McCoy (visa) the rest is your work.

[2tallbill]

The best suggestion if you think the girl is legitimate is meet in Warsaw and ask the consulate there to confirm if it is the real McCoy (visa) the rest is your work.[/size][/font]

I would suggest different wording. "Dear Sexy Sweetlana Popka-Girl, meet
with me at my Airbnb in Warsaw. Then we will make plans for the USA!"
99% of the visa girls will suddenly disappear so nothing lost. If one girl
shows up then you can say "let's run down to the consolate and renew
it so you can stay longer."

That way you are not putting into question the fake visa, you are renewing
it so that she can stay longer. Either way all the visa's littering the streets
will dry up.

[justadude]

Asking for money for travel I've seen many times before. What I've never seen before is all the US visas. That's what my question is about.

A decent graphics artist can make about anything that would stand up to scrutiny
online or a webcam. Walking through US customs is a different matter. I don't
remember your entire story, but I believe you have some coin. Fly to Warsaw.
If a girl with a Visa can meet you there then you have a winner.

Any girl in Ukraine can manage bus fair to Warsaw. Promise to refund the money
once she arrives.

Udachi!
Bill

Let’s do the simple one first, a refugee visa is a forgery to the United States is a forgery. That door closed months ago.

My guess is the very vast number of visa’s issued by the ‘United States’ are also forgeries. No visa’s as far as I know have been issued since early 2022 in K y i v. The consulate is closed.

The quality though of the fakes are impressive you will need a good quality UV lamp I think at 325 wv λ see the reality. The best suggestion if you think the girl is legitimate is meet in Warsaw and ask the consulate there to confirm if it is the real McCoy (visa) the rest is your work.

Interesting. Do you know how the U4U program work? Do they get their visa from a different consulate?

[2tallbill]

Interesting. Do you know how the U4U program work? Do they get their visa from a different consulate?

https://www.uscis.gov/ukraine


https://www.visajourney.com/

[justadude]

Interesting. Do you know how the U4U program work? Do they get their visa from a different consulate?

https://www.uscis.gov/ukraine


https://www.visajourney.com/

Read my signature. Not my first rodeo but thanks

[justadude]

Here's anhttp://example. Does it look real to you?

[2tallbill]

Not my first rodeo but thanks

Then act like it and stop asking silly questions that a newbie should know.
You have found fake girls with a Visa scam. RUA lesson 101 day one is how
to determine fake girls with a visa scam.

Go to Warsaw or not, I don't care you are wasting my time. I am taking my
real Russian wife out to an early dinner and she looks spectacular.

You are an overly sensitive beta boy who doesn't know what he doesn't know.
Go ahead and try to rent some companionship.

You go girl!

PS
They have trailer parks in Oregon. I know, I was born in Oregon. You can find
girls to rent there

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[justadude]

To continue to try to unravel the mystery of visagate, I told a couple of girls that I'd pay them $50 if they told me the truth. One girl sorta came clean. She told me a ukrainian guy she met at a gym told her he could help her find a way to leave ukraine for $200. She gave him the money and got the name of the site where I met her. I paid her the $50 but not sure I got the whole truth. I asked her some clarifying questions, was she obligated to give money to someone else if she gets some from a dude, etc. She said no.

I am not saying I now know the whole truth but I think I know more than I did. I still suspect there's some kind of an organized business. I think it's something like girls get a lead that comes from a dating site. They start talking to the dude, they often don't know the name of the site where she supposedly met him. Her job is to engage him in conversation and try to get money. I assume they give most of the money to the boss, using the boss' paypal address. I met girls while I was living in Odessa who said they had a job where they scammed men for money, and this sounds like it. None of this is new.

What is new is the war, of course, a built in reason to get sympathy. Also new is all these visas. Also new is paypal being usable in ukraine. If fake visas are a thing now, why weren't they a thing 5 years ago, 3 years ago? Again, I haven't ran into any with refugee visas.

[justadude]

Not my first rodeo but thanks

Then act like it and stop asking silly questions that a newbie should know.
You have found fake girls with a Visa scam. RUA lesson 101 day one is how
to determine fake girls with a visa scam.

Go to Warsaw or not, I don't care you are wasting my time. I am taking my
real Russian wife out to an early dinner and she looks spectacular.

You are an overly sensitive beta boy who doesn't know what he doesn't know.
Go ahead and try to rent some companionship.

You go girl!

PS
They have trailer parks in Oregon. I know, I was born in Oregon. You can find
girls to rent there

Option Two
https://www.secretbenefits.com/welcome/5132/sb_ads/sb_ads?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIrKWZl_Tw_wIVzinUAR2UUwAUEAAYASAAEgL9h_D_BwE

wow you've got a short fuse. Enjoy the night out with the babushka. I hang out with sugar babies in their early 20s. Ok late teens if you count the girl I was with for a year in Bucharest. Proly been a long time since you've had anything like that. But yah, you do dude.

[Guile]

justadude what site are you meeting these girls?  Sounds like a scam.  I highly doubt they are giving out US visas like candy.  And if these girls had visas already why would they need you.  It makes little sense they would apply if they don't have the money for flights, housing and settling in America.

The big test is talking to them live on video.  If you speak Russian then they know it's much harder to bullsh*t you.  Are you back in the states now?

[justadude]

justadude what site are you meeting these girls?  Sounds like a scam.  I highly doubt they are giving out US visas like candy.  And if these girls had visas already why would they need you.  It makes little sense they would apply if they don't have the money for flights, housing and settling in America.

The big test is talking to them live on video.  If you speak Russian then they know it's much harder to bullsh*t you.  Are you back in the states now?

All good points. Meeting them on Seeking Arrangement. Still, I'm wondering if anyone else is encountering this. My point is that I never saw this in the last 7 years that I've been a FSUW enthusiast, and now all of a sudden every girl has a visa. My suspicion is that there's a new business model, based on the notion that it's easier to milk a dude for money if you can show him a visa.

I've had video calls with 2 of them. For a third, we tried a few times but it froze/bad connection. I'm pretty sure that was just the same doctored clip being shown under the guise of a bad connection. As for my language skills, "choot choot Ruski"

Yes I am back in the states. I did 3 years in country, including a year in Romania. I bought a house on the Oregon coast. Did you notice my spiffy new signature?

[andrewfi]

If they are on Seeking then some will have visas - after all, it is how they earn money. How they come by the visas will be irrelevant to you.

I would expect though that many of those profiles are new and disappear fast - that'll be the site security team removing the accounts. The 'real' women will probably have active accounts going back years.

The girls who are genuine don't 'need' our hero, they get paid to go to 'wherever' to ensure that he has a good time and fills their bank account. They are sugar babies who make a living or side income from their sugar daddies. Justadude is probably an ideal target.

If one follows the guidelines of the site then nothing bad will happen. Don't give money before meeting. When you do not give money they will wither away like bluebells under the summer sun. Just report them to site management when they ask for cash.

[justadude]

I have more info. As usual with this site, and other SM for that matter, I wind up answering my own question.

I had video with two girls and decided they were both not legit in their intentions, so I blocked them. The video calls were real, that wasn't the problem. They both doubled down when questioned on cross examination:

Case 1
Can you send me some more pictures?
I don't have any more.
You're the one beautiful 20 year old girl on this planet who's phone is not filled with selfies?
Then later, when challenged, "Our understanding of English in Ukraine is different. I didn't understand what you meant"

Case 2 (a diversity program green card holder, who had lived in Texas for a year and visited several other states)
Can you send me some pictures of when you were in the US?
I don't have icloud here, and I don't have any on my phone.
How about on your instagram?
I don't use instagram.

Of course there was much more to the one week conversations than what's above. The sum total of several things in each case convinced me not to continue.

This reminds me of interactions I had  with students while I was teaching American Literature at International Humanitarian University in Odessa. Incidentally, out of 130 students in my classes, 70% were 8+ Ukrainian hotties. One time I caught a girl plagiarizing her analysis of a short story. I told her I had found two paragraphs of her work word for word on line. She insisted that she had written it herself. I made her do the assignment again. I think it's the culture. I'm not saying I'm honest above reproach. But when you get caught dead cold in a lie, coming clean is your best option where I'm from. I think in Ukraine you don't back down. Then again, maybe I just come across as easily duped.

There's my update for anyone who cares, which is no one apparently. Since I learned about the ignore option, it's made visiting here a bit more palatable. And I met one of my best friends on RUA, so there's that.

In related news, the 35yo whom I dated a few times in Odessa, got turned down by me as well. Her plan was to come here to Oregon and move in with me in one of my spare bedrooms. She was going to pay for her trip and try to pay her way and even to work for me managing my short term rentals in exchange for room and board and use of one of my cars. I would sign on the dotted line as her sponsor under the U4U program.

 Shes a pretty, skinny girl with no kids. In Odessa I took her on 3 increasingly expensive dates, with nothing for my trouble. I told her that things needed to be moving a bit more quickly or I wasn't going to take her out anymore. She also told me about some other older dude she had dated who spent money on her and she never put out. That was the end of it until I ran into her near the refugee tent at the Bucharest train station in March of 22.

Anyway, out of loneliness, I texted her a couple weeks ago. She's in Scotland. We've been talking about logistics and nuts and bolts. Today I told her that I wouldn't allow meat to be cooked in my house, as I'm a vegetarian. I told her that my intention was not to control what she eats, and that she could go to restaurants whenever she wanted. She protested and would not commit to the idea. So I told her that was a deal breaker for us.

I think she suffers from Ukrainian Devushka golden vagina syndrome, UDGVS. (you heard it here first). The idea is that what I have is so valuable that I'll continue to dangle it knowing that men will take whatever scraps they can get. Although I saw this enough to give it a name, I also had a 6 month relationship with an Odessa-ite who was a real sweetheart and met others who weren't like this.

[AvHdB]

While there are exceptions, vulnerability is not a common trait of Slavic women. In my opinion it has allot to do with the environment that they are raised in. A site such as Seeking Arrangement only helps to amplify this quality.

[Danchik]

While there are exceptions, vulnerability is not a common trait of Slavic women.

We must have a different understanding of the word vulnerable. IMO there is no more emotionally vulnerable female on the planet when it comes to criticism, for example.

On the other hand, it's the complete opposite when it comes to compliments, so be forewarned.

If you mean they have no problem lying to your face EVEN when you know it's BS, and will never fess up to the truth, then yes, I'd agree.

[2tallbill]

wow you've got a short fuse. Enjoy the night out with the babushka. I hang out with sugar babies in their early 20s. Ok late teens if you count the girl I was with for a year in Bucharest. Proly been a long time since you've had anything like that. But yah, you do dude.

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[Halo]

wow you've got a short fuse. Enjoy the night out with the babushka. I hang out with sugar babies in their early 20s. Ok late teens if you count the girl I was with for a year in Bucharest. Proly been a long time since you've had anything like that. But yah, you do dude.

Not everyone wants to buy the services of a woman decades younger.  Some men want a LTR with a family, emotional connection, and love. 

IIRC, I'm the one who told you to just buy the services of a woman, because you were frustrated that 20 something women weren't interested in your dubious "charms". 

I have seen photos of Bill's wife.  She certainly is not a babushka. 

[Markje]

wow you've got a short fuse. Enjoy the night out with the babushka. I hang out with sugar babies in their early 20s. Ok late teens if you count the girl I was with for a year in Bucharest. Proly been a long time since you've had anything like that. But yah, you do dude.

Not everyone wants to buy the services of a woman decades younger.  Some men want a LTR with a family, emotional connection, and love. 

IIRC, I'm the one who told you to just buy the services of a woman, because you were frustrated that 20 something women weren't interested in your dubious "charms". 

I have seen photos of Bill's wife.  She certainly is not a babushka.

Wow, i'm agreeing with Halo. Who wants a 20 something child when you can have a woman that you can have an actual conversation with because she already shared the life experiences you also had.

When sex is your only drive, the relationship will go south quickly when that fades.

[Halo]

He doesn't have relationships.  He has purchased "experiences".   There is no more emotion attached to it than there is when I buy a new computer part. 

[2tallbill]

IIRC, I'm the one who told you to just buy the services of a woman, because you were frustrated that 20 something women weren't interested in your dubious "charms". 

I didn't like 18-20 year old women, when I was 18-20 years old myself. Besides
their tight bodies they were worse at EVERYTHING than older women. The reason
that I dated them was because older women wouldn't date me. They thought
I was clueless and didn't know ANYTHING, (which was true).

18-20 year old girls are completely indecisive, have no idea what they want, definitely suck at sex (not in a good way) and their brains are still developing. 100% of them
will learn, grow and change in the next 10 years.

Beta Boy likes them because he is worldly compared to them. They won't naturally
go to him so he needs to compensate them.