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Prigozhin's Rebellion
« on: June 23, 2023, 11:14:01 PM »
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Yevgeny Prigozhin on Friday evening accused the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation of a missile strike on the camps of PMC "Wagner" and announced his intention to "stop the evil carried by the country's military leadership". Immediately after that, Prigozhin began to publish voice messages actually declaring war on the Russian military leadership headed by Sergei Shoigu, whom he called "this creature." Prigozhin said that 25,000 fighters of PMC "Wagner" are performing at the "march of justice against lawlessness in the country." We tell you what's going on in this broadcast and the Telegram channel The Bell.

7:54 "Fontanka" writes that the office of "Wagner" in St. Petersburg included security forces - riot police and Rosgvardia.

The situation at 7:30 Moscow time on Saturday:

The Grey Zone telegram channel close to PMC Wagner published a video with Prigozhin at the headquarters of the Southern Military District. He is negotiating with Deputy Defense Minister Yunus-Bek Yevkurov.

There are no weapons under Yevkurov, Prigozhin in a bulletproof vest and with a machine gun. "We came here, we want to get the Chief of the General Staff and Shoigu. While they are gone, we are here, blocking the city of Rostov and going to Moscow. The guys will be here," Prigozhin says in the video.

To the right of Prigozhin is the first deputy head of the GRU, Lieutenant General Vladimir Alekseev. On Friday evening, he recorded an appeal to the Wagnerites, in which he accused them of a coup d'état and urged them to "rethink". In the video with Prigozhin and Evkurov, Alekseev says: "I am upset that three days in Kiev there will be a holiday with champagne." Prigozhin answers: "It's okay, there's a champagne holiday in Kiev when you throw Red Lymans, Raisins and everything else. Then the holiday is a week in Kiev. And we're not running out of nowhere."

In the next video, Prigozhin announced that under his control military facilities of Rostov, including the airfield, "so that assault aircraft strike not at us, but on Ukrainians." According to him, official data on Russian losses are underestimated four times.
There are a lot of military equipment and people in military uniform in the center of Rostov-no-Don, it is not possible to reliably establish their belonging. All administrative buildings in the city are cordoned off by the military. The authorities recommended that civilians avoid traveling to the center and stay in their homes if possible.

Security measures have also been strengthened in Moscow and the Moscow region. The police are on high alert, military equipment was seen on the streets at night, the entrance to Red Square was closed.

State media transmit only official statements of the authorities. A special news release was held on Channel One for this purpose, which was conducted by Ekaterina Andreeva.

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Re: Prigozhin's Rebellion
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2023, 11:32:50 PM »
That’s what Prigozhin said 12 hours ago.
Interesting vision of the special operation.
Ask your wife to translate.

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Re: Prigozhin's Rebellion
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2023, 11:46:19 PM »
45 minutes ago.
Progozhin states Rostov-on-Don is under his control.
He is inside of Headquarters of the Southern Military District in Rostov.
I still have a house in Rostov-on-Don. It just two blocks from my house.



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Re: Prigozhin's Rebellion
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2023, 11:55:36 PM »
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Tanks where I walked my dog!
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Re: Prigozhin's Rebellion
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2023, 03:18:21 AM »
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Re: Prigozhin's Rebellion
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2023, 05:02:01 AM »
Definately bad from Putin to prefer Shoygu over Prigozhin..... He should've paid more attention.
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Re: Prigozhin's Rebellion
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2023, 05:09:43 AM »
Two days and Prigozhyn will be dead or under arrest.

Biggest effect will be on relationships with China, India etc.
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Re: Prigozhin's Rebellion
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2023, 06:00:59 AM »
Two days and Prigozhyn will be dead or under arrest.

Biggest effect will be on relationships with China, India etc.

I suspect that Prigozhyn signed his own execution warrant, but it might take a week for this to occur. Putin certainly does not want or need this loose cannon in jail.
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Re: Prigozhin's Rebellion
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2023, 06:11:34 AM »
Yikes. This is the last thing Putin needs right now.
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Re: Prigozhin's Rebellion
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2023, 06:57:26 AM »
Prigozhin has come out and said the war in Ukraine is nothing more than Putin's handlers wanting to profit from the war. Now maybe Russians will decide to go home and leave Ukraine alone. Russia's war in Ukraine is the biggest military blunder of modern time. From here it is only going to get worse. So, let's hope this is the beginning of the end of the war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmITp1Kz1
3) There has been no "threat" to invade Ukraine. The US invented that and fed it to a complicit media.

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Re: Prigozhin's Rebellion
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2023, 07:14:19 AM »
Either some do not read or more likely understand. Tex be very careful what you wish for.

Prigozhin has on numerous occasions stated that he believes that Ukraine should be part of greater Russia. As soon as he rids Moscow of the greedy and ignorant officers and officials he shall further prosecute the war in Ukraine. Personally I suspect he would make Putin look like a Sunday school teacher.
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Re: Prigozhin's Rebellion
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2023, 07:48:53 AM »
Stoking more juicy internet conspiracy theories, so now we know where, or in this case, who, received the allocation of the pentagon’s accounting $6.2 billion ‘surplus’ error 2 days ago.

This too shall pass…

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Re: Prigozhin's Rebellion
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2023, 08:04:31 AM »
The largest effect might be with RU soldiers in the trenches and officers.  Many may feel Prigozhyn's assessments are more truthful than not, for the rest enough to sow serious doubt.

We'll have to see how much support he can gain among the regulars.


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Re: Prigozhin's Rebellion
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2023, 08:20:41 AM »
Either some do not read or more likely understand. Tex be very careful what you wish for.

Prigozhin has on numerous occasions stated that he believes that Ukraine should be part of greater Russia. As soon as he rids Moscow of the greedy and ignorant officers and officials he shall further prosecute the war in Ukraine. Personally I suspect he would make Putin look like a Sunday school teacher.


Do you really think Russians are going to want to fight this war after this? Yes, he said after he cleans up Moscow, he said he is headed back to the front lines in Ukraine (if there are any front lines in Ukraine left.) He said he does not want to replace Putin just clean up the military leadership. If much happens, I bet a lot of Russians will start to have real questions.
3) There has been no "threat" to invade Ukraine. The US invented that and fed it to a complicit media.

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Re: Prigozhin's Rebellion
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2023, 09:12:42 AM »
Either some do not read or more likely understand. Tex be very careful what you wish for.

Prigozhin has on numerous occasions stated that he believes that Ukraine should be part of greater Russia. As soon as he rids Moscow of the greedy and ignorant officers and officials he shall further prosecute the war in Ukraine. Personally I suspect he would make Putin look like a Sunday school teacher.


Do you really think Russians are going to want to fight this war after this? Yes, he said after he cleans up Moscow, he said he is headed back to the front lines in Ukraine (if there are any front lines in Ukraine left.) He said he does not want to replace Putin just clean up the military leadership. If much happens, I bet a lot of Russians will start to have real questions.

Tex either you are naive or very ignorant of the Slavic mentality. I would say look at both what Prigozhin has said and done in the past. Perhaps if possible your view point will change.

You are correct though the already low morale of the Russian foot soldier will erode. Will the defense lines collapse perhaps, but I doubt it.
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Re: Prigozhin's Rebellion
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2023, 10:51:28 AM »

Tex either you are naive or very ignorant of the Slavic mentality. I would say look at both what Prigozhin has said and done in the past. Perhaps if possible your view point will change.

You are correct though the already low morale of the Russian foot soldier will erode. Will the defense lines collapse perhaps, but I doubt it.


Prigozhin has been talking about this for some time now. He in the past claimed that Russia was at a point much like 1917 when the Zar was overthrown and has been warning Russian leadership needs to be more responsible to the Russia solder. This lack of responsibly he has claimed has caused very many Russian solder to die. He has been working over months to appeal to the Russian front-line solder to support him thru is telegram channel. I do not think anybody can predict how much support he will get or where this will end up.

A lot depends on how quickly this can be brought to an end. If it ends in a few days most likely not much will happen if it is months this could become a big distraction from the war.
3) There has been no "threat" to invade Ukraine. The US invented that and fed it to a complicit media.

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Re: Prigozhin's Rebellion
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2023, 10:58:44 AM »
Prigozhin took Voronez and is moving towards Moscow.
He should be there today.
Moscow is preparing for a long battle.

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MOSCOW, June 24 - RIA Novosti. Moscow declared Monday a non-working day, according to the statement of the mayor of the capital Sergey Sobyanin in the Telegram channel.
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A counter-terrorism operation regime has been introduced in Moscow, in this regard, previously announced mass events have been canceled in the city. The mayor of the city urged citizens to remain calm and trust only official sources of information.

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Re: Prigozhin's Rebellion
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2023, 11:05:30 AM »
Maybe Prigozhin is naive or very ignorant of the Slavic mentality as he says,

"Putin was deeply mistaken about the betrayal. We are patriots of our homeland, we fought and are fighting," Prigozhin said in an audio message. "No one is going to turn around at the request of the president, the FSB or anyone else, because we do not want the country to live longer in corruption, deception and bureaucracy."
3) There has been no "threat" to invade Ukraine. The US invented that and fed it to a complicit media.

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Re: Prigozhin's Rebellion
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2023, 11:08:24 AM »
Definately bad from Putin to prefer Shoygu over Prigozhin..... He should've paid more attention.

He paid very close attention and hoped Prigozhin would fail in Ukraine.
That’s why he did not give enough supply to him.         
Prigozhin said he lost 10 times more soldiers that he could.

Shoygu is trash. No doubt.
But he does what Poo wants.

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Re: Prigozhin's Rebellion
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2023, 11:12:17 AM »

Biggest effect will be on relationships with China, India etc.


Exactly.

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Re: Prigozhin's Rebellion
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2023, 11:17:26 AM »
Two days and Prigozhyn will be dead or under arrest.

It is definitely life or death situation for Prigozhin.
We still do not know what does this mean for Poo.
He looked pale and was stuttering during his TV statement.

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Re: Prigozhin's Rebellion
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2023, 11:25:51 AM »
The largest effect might be with RU soldiers in the trenches and officers.  Many may feel Prigozhyn's assessments are more truthful than not, for the rest enough to sow serious doubt.

We'll have to see how much support he can gain among the regulars.

Prigozhin has tremendous support and he says the truth.
Unfortunately, in Russia, it does not matter.
Government power is overwhelming.
Russian people are cut from the rest of the would at this time.
That was the biggest mistake for the West.
I can only expect blood and more blood….

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Re: Prigozhin's Rebellion
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2023, 11:45:44 AM »
Prigrozhin already agreed to de-escalate and is already heading back to Rostov, maybe even back to Ukraine.

Not sure what Lukashenko told him but he agreed to stop. For now…

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Re: Prigozhin's Rebellion
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2023, 12:03:23 PM »
Prigrozhin already agreed to de-escalate and is already heading back to Rostov, maybe even back to Ukraine.

Not sure what Lukashenko told him but he agreed to stop. For now…

It’s a very good news!
They were negotiating more than 24 hours.
Finally, Poo learned in a hard way that negotiations are better than war….
When it comes to his power, he becomes very realistic.
He has no value for young men lives.
But there are their mothers, wives, and children.
One day, Poo and Ze will pay their price!!!

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Re: Prigozhin's Rebellion
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2023, 12:29:32 PM »
Starting yesterday I began to hear news of Wagner's attempt to topple the Russian military. The White House is monitoring the situation. The hair on the back of my neck is standing up. This could get crazy. Or it might be nothing.

Sorry I realize there is a much more well written post on the same subject. I tried to delete this but I was too late apparently.
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