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China poses peace plan
« on: February 25, 2023, 03:55:26 AM »
China has come up with a 12-point peace plan that would actually require Russia to negotiate in good faith. So far, all Russia does is show up at peace talks and make demands. I do not know all the terms of it but so far, Ukraine say it finds it interesting and welcomes China's fresh ideas.

China maybe in a position to dictate the peace terms of the Ukraine war. They could cut Russia off financially or on the other hand supply weapons to Russia. Just because China does not get along with the USA that well, does not mean it completely support Russia in this war. I believe China see its interest in Ukraine being independent and not under Russian control but also not part of Nato. China may see this as a chance to expand its influence in the former FSU states. China had a good relationship with Ukraine before the war.
3) There has been no "threat" to invade Ukraine. The US invented that and fed it to a complicit media.

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Re: China poses peace plan
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2023, 04:18:31 AM »
Here is China's proposal

https://www.fmprc.gov.cn/eng/zxxx_662805/202302/t20230224_11030713.html

China’s Position on the Political Settlement of the Ukraine Crisis
2023-02-24 09:00
1. Respecting the sovereignty of all countries. Universally recognized international law, including the purposes and principles of the United Nations Charter, must be strictly observed. The sovereignty, independence and territorial integrity of all countries must be effectively upheld. All countries, big or small, strong or weak, rich or poor, are equal members of the international community. All parties should jointly uphold the basic norms governing international relations and defend international fairness and justice. Equal and uniform application of international law should be promoted, while double standards must be rejected. 

2. Abandoning the Cold War mentality. The security of a country should not be pursued at the expense of others. The security of a region should not be achieved by strengthening or expanding military blocs. The legitimate security interests and concerns of all countries must be taken seriously and addressed properly. There is no simple solution to a complex issue. All parties should, following the vision of common, comprehensive, cooperative and sustainable security and bearing in mind the long-term peace and stability of the world, help forge a balanced, effective and sustainable European security architecture. All parties should oppose the pursuit of one’s own security at the cost of others’ security, prevent bloc confrontation, and work together for peace and stability on the Eurasian Continent.

3. Ceasing hostilities. Conflict and war benefit no one. All parties must stay rational and exercise restraint, avoid fanning the flames and aggravating tensions, and prevent the crisis from deteriorating further or even spiraling out of control. All parties should support Russia and Ukraine in working in the same direction and resuming direct dialogue as quickly as possible, so as to gradually deescalate the situation and ultimately reach a comprehensive ceasefire. 

4. Resuming peace talks. Dialogue and negotiation are the only viable solution to the Ukraine crisis. All efforts conducive to the peaceful settlement of the crisis must be encouraged and supported. The international community should stay committed to the right approach of promoting talks for peace, help parties to the conflict open the door to a political settlement as soon as possible, and create conditions and platforms for the resumption of negotiation. China will continue to play a constructive role in this regard. 

5. Resolving the humanitarian crisis. All measures conducive to easing the humanitarian crisis must be encouraged and supported. Humanitarian operations should follow the principles of neutrality and impartiality, and humanitarian issues should not be politicized. The safety of civilians must be effectively protected, and humanitarian corridors should be set up for the evacuation of civilians from conflict zones. Efforts are needed to increase humanitarian assistance to relevant areas, improve humanitarian conditions, and provide rapid, safe and unimpeded humanitarian access, with a view to preventing a humanitarian crisis on a larger scale. The UN should be supported in playing a coordinating role in channeling humanitarian aid to conflict zones.

6. Protecting civilians and prisoners of war (POWs). Parties to the conflict should strictly abide by international humanitarian law, avoid attacking civilians or civilian facilities, protect women, children and other victims of the conflict, and respect the basic rights of POWs. China supports the exchange of POWs between Russia and Ukraine, and calls on all parties to create more favorable conditions for this purpose.

7. Keeping nuclear power plants safe. China opposes armed attacks against nuclear power plants or other peaceful nuclear facilities, and calls on all parties to comply with international law including the Convention on Nuclear Safety (CNS) and resolutely avoid man-made nuclear accidents. China supports the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in playing a constructive role in promoting the safety and security of peaceful nuclear facilities.

8. Reducing strategic risks. Nuclear weapons must not be used and nuclear wars must not be fought. The threat or use of nuclear weapons should be opposed. Nuclear proliferation must be prevented and nuclear crisis avoided. China opposes the research, development and use of chemical and biological weapons by any country under any circumstances.

9. Facilitating grain exports. All parties need to implement the Black Sea Grain Initiative signed by Russia, Türkiye, Ukraine and the UN fully and effectively in a balanced manner, and support the UN in playing an important role in this regard. The cooperation initiative on global food security proposed by China provides a feasible solution to the global food crisis.

10. Stopping unilateral sanctions. Unilateral sanctions and maximum pressure cannot solve the issue; they only create new problems. China opposes unilateral sanctions unauthorized by the UN Security Council. Relevant countries should stop abusing unilateral sanctions and “long-arm jurisdiction” against other countries, so as to do their share in deescalating the Ukraine crisis and create conditions for developing countries to grow their economies and better the lives of their people.

11. Keeping industrial and supply chains stable. All parties should earnestly maintain the existing world economic system and oppose using the world economy as a tool or weapon for political purposes. Joint efforts are needed to mitigate the spillovers of the crisis and prevent it from disrupting international cooperation in energy, finance, food trade and transportation and undermining the global economic recovery.

12. Promoting post-conflict reconstruction. The international community needs to take measures to support post-conflict reconstruction in conflict zones. China stands ready to provide assistance and play a constructive role in this endeavor.

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Re: China poses peace plan
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2023, 12:42:14 PM »
So, China wants Russia to give back all the land it took including Crimea. This is going to be interesting. No wonder why the pro-Russian group here does not have any comments about it. China wants to turn the clock back to 2013 and have the land borders at that year, restore trade as it was before the war including having no sanctions against Russia.
3) There has been no "threat" to invade Ukraine. The US invented that and fed it to a complicit media.


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Re: China poses peace plan
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2023, 02:31:36 PM »
So, China wants Russia to give back all the land it took including Crimea. This is going to be interesting. No wonder why the pro-Russian group here does not have any comments about it. China wants to turn the clock back to 2013 and have the land borders at that year, restore trade as it was before the war including having no sanctions against Russia.

BC - Good Job on the CCP's list...

Here we go again with Texie Boyz rabid Hate Russia and Nuke Moscow Now psycho spin...

In points 1 and 4 above the language nowhere specifies 2013 borders and could well specify Catherine the Greats Borders of the late 1700s...  The sly Chinese "respect for sovereign" language in-fact supports Russia's Claims that the traditional Russian enclaves of Crimea, Lugansk, Donetsk, Zaporoshia, Kherson, and Odessa are in fact historical enclaves of Russian-speaking and cultural Peoples and therefore in-fact RUSSIAN.

Despite the Massive Chinese hypocrisy here and their history of GENOCIDE against the Buddist Tibetians and Muslim Uighurs whose territories the Han Chinese murderers have seized and then used their monks and mullahs and more devout citizens for Organ Harvesting Murder not unlike the NAZI's use of murdered Jews remains for Soap and Lampshade Manufacturing...  The Chinese CCP are Genocidal Murderers so their list should be taken with a grain of salt because the Chinese do NOTHING that does not promote their global (Belt and Road) control and profits agendas.

That said the list is a far better alternative to the massive WWIII Nuclear Winter and Poison Radiation Rain fallout Alternative that TEX and the other Pro Ukraine, Pro Russia and Pro Chinese Communist factions here support.

Perhaps this list will be communicated to the CCP's puppet Manchurian Candidate in residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and he does a course correction in support of Negotiations and NOT WWIII Nuclear War escalation.

Clearly, the No2 to Chairman for Life Xi Xin Ping, the Chinese CCP Foreign Minister's Trip to Moscow was extremely sobering with Putin and Medvedev putting their entire Nuclear Forces on full alert status for rapid First Strike launch if necessary in response to the rapid escalation and introduction of NATO's ADVANCED OFFENSIVE weapons to kill Russians in Crimea and Moscow which gives the Russians NO ALTERNATIVES to a NUCLEAR FIRST STRIKE to protect the Russian People from the NATO Madmen in London, WashDC, Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Brussels et.al.

The Chinese had enough trouble enforcing Covid Mask Mandates upon the Chinese People - imagine the backlash if everyone in the CCP had to wear Dick Tracey style Geiger Counter Watches and wear full NBC Masks and Hazmat Suits...  the CCP elites are clearly worried about RU/UA/UK/EU NATO mushroom clouds poisoning the Stratosphere with irradiated rain and fallout carried by the Jetstream and spread all across China and the far east.

Very sobering indeed.




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Re: China poses peace plan
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2023, 02:41:25 PM »
I read point 1) actually as: Taiwan is ours, don't touch it.
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Re: China poses peace plan
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2023, 02:53:39 PM »
I read point 1) actually as: Taiwan is ours, don't touch it.

I would add "The Belt and Road are Ours" as well which ironically includes many of the Stans and large parts of RU and UA train and pipeline corridors and infrastructure support cities.


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Re: China poses peace plan
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2023, 02:45:08 AM »
China has come up with a 12-point peace plan that would actually require Russia to negotiate in good faith. So far, all Russia does is show up at peace talks and make demands. I do not know all the terms of it but so far, Ukraine say it finds it interesting and welcomes China's fresh ideas.

China maybe in a position to dictate the peace terms of the Ukraine war. They could cut Russia off financially or on the other hand supply weapons to Russia. Just because China does not get along with the USA that well, does not mean it completely support Russia in this war. I believe China see its interest in Ukraine being independent and not under Russian control but also not part of Nato. China may see this as a chance to expand its influence in the former FSU states. China had a good relationship with Ukraine before the war.

You're wide of the mark yet again Tex. You seem to have the unfortunate ability to read something and take away the wrong message, literally every time. China dictating to Russia or cutting them off financially (pulling out of trade deals) doesn't appear to be on the cards on any level. In fact this only appears to be a possibility in your warped mind.

China, like the rest of the world outside of the key players, is tried of war and see's that it's bad for business. They've now come to the table and started using language including peace and cease fire, rather than Ukraine must win at all costs. It's understood that Russia are interested in an agreement too.

China and Russia have what they themselves call a no limits relationship and this was cemented further on Wednesday when Putin met with top diplomat Wang Yi to discuss new levels of cooperation. Wang told the media that the relationship between Russia and China would not succumb to pressure from third parties.

https://www.politico.eu/article/putin-hails-new-levels-cooperation-with-china-after-meeting-beijings-foreign-policy-chief-moscow-beijing-sergey-lavrov/

Further more, Wang speaking at a security conference in Munich last week called for dialog and suggested European countries need to think calmly about how to end the war.

He added that there were "some forces that seemingly didn't want for negotiations to succeed, or for the war to end soon."

Wise words in my opinion and it's certainly not what you think it is Tex. You were correct however in pointing out that China and the US don't get along too well. None of this will have been helped with the US threatening China if they help Russia out with lethal aid.

Hilariously hypocritical given the US and NATO were the ones to tell Zelensky to ignore the offer of peace on the table in April last year, and told them to keep fighting whilst they pumped lethal aid into Ukraine.

As it stands, neither Zelensky or his bosses in the US want to entertain peace talks. I don't see this as a balance of power and momentum in this war, it's only an appetite for more people to die and the continued destruction of Ukraine, with Russia getting the blame, in the West.

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Re: China poses peace plan
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2023, 02:45:50 AM »
So, China wants Russia to give back all the land it took including Crimea. This is going to be interesting. No wonder why the pro-Russian group here does not have any comments about it. China wants to turn the clock back to 2013 and have the land borders at that year, restore trade as it was before the war including having no sanctions against Russia.

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