Is Joe Biden going to win the DNC nomination for President? 2024

[Markje]

What's the ulterior narrative you are hearing?

Ok: Where's Syria in the news? It was also hit very hard.

Answer: People and countries want to help, but the border remains closed (and whose fault, presumibly is that? people without answers will imagine immediatly its assad's fault and hes punishing his people again).

By omitting the fault of the closed borders, they are shaping the Narrative that Assad is an Asshole.

[BC]

https://www.cjr.org/analysis/jeff-gerth-on-the-press-versus-the-president.php

Just ... wow!

It seems the press , freedom of the press and people's trust in the press took a nosedive because most people knew the truth but the press clearly waged a hate-campaign against Trump (what else is new).

The podcast is the expression of one opinion.  Just because the interviewee did not gain traction publicizing his work over a broader segment of media isn't a limitation of his right to freely express himself as a journalist.

I find that folks generally listen to, read, and watch what they want to hear.  There is a lot of that going on around here, some here simply re-publishing what they like to hear instead of forming their own thoughts and discourse.  Was Trump disliked? Sure, and many media outlets covered that aspect.  So what.  The main objections regarding media seem to be based on some folks thinking they aren't getting their fair share of coverage.

At the end of the day, the media is pretty democratic.  Media outlets are supported by their audience.  The larger the audience, the greater the voice.  Each of us, in one way or another, with subscriptions or clicks, supports our favored media.  Unlike the electoral college system that provides golf handicap-like votes to less populated states, the media works on a popular basis.  Nothing is going to change that.  If you think your voice is drowned out, work on building your audience instead of complaining.

Don't blame the media. It's a business like any other.  If people don't like Twinkies, they won't buy them.  Instead, maybe try to help folks understand that opinion is not news and to make their own decisions based on the facts rather than just accepting and amplifying the opinions of others just to please their crowd.

[BC]

What's the ulterior narrative you are hearing?

Ok: Where's Syria in the news? It was also hit very hard.

Answer: People and countries want to help, but the border remains closed (and whose fault, presumibly is that? people without answers will imagine immediatly its assad's fault and hes punishing his people again).

By omitting the fault of the closed borders, they are shaping the Narrative that Assad is an Asshole.

That is of course your opinion.  What are the facts you wish to present or discuss? 

[Markje]

https://www.cjr.org/analysis/jeff-gerth-on-the-press-versus-the-president.php

Just ... wow!

It seems the press , freedom of the press and people's trust in the press took a nosedive because most people knew the truth but the press clearly waged a hate-campaign against Trump (what else is new).

The podcast is the expression of one opinion.  Just because the interviewee did not gain traction publicizing his work over a broader segment of media isn't a limitation of his right to freely express himself as a journalist.

I find that folks generally listen to, read, and watch what they want to hear.  There is a lot of that going on around here, some here simply re-publishing what they like to hear instead of forming their own thoughts and discourse.  Was Trump disliked? Sure, and many media outlets covered that aspect.  So what.  The main objections regarding media seem to be based on some folks thinking they aren't getting their fair share of coverage.

At the end of the day, the media is pretty democratic.  Media outlets are supported by their audience.  The larger the audience, the greater the voice.  Each of us, in one way or another, with subscriptions or clicks, supports our favored media.  Unlike the electoral college system that provides golf handicap-like votes to less populated states, the media works on a popular basis.  Nothing is going to change that.  If you think your voice is drowned out, work on building your audience instead of complaining.

Don't blame the media. It's a business like any other.  If people don't like Twinkies, they won't buy them.  Instead, maybe try to help folks understand that opinion is not news and to make their own decisions based on the facts rather than just accepting and amplifying the opinions of others just to please their crowd.

This discussion is "the perfect world" against "the real world"

I'll note you didn't put any disagreement on the fact that Trump was completely villified and the entire russian-collusion story was a big fake.

Why don't you try to find any of the big & acceptable news-sources with positive news about Trump, or the real events of the Capitol hill excercise. you won't find it.

I know Carl Tucker (FOX) often puts Trump in a positive light and also asks critical questions that seem to be ignored by other media. But he is not un-controversial himself.

[BC]

I'll note you didn't put any disagreement on the fact that Trump was completely villified and the entire russian-collusion story was a big fake.

Why don't you try to find any of the big & acceptable news-sources with positive news about Trump, or the real events of the Capitol hill excercise. you won't find it.

I know Carl Tucker (FOX) often puts Trump in a positive light and also asks critical questions that seem to be ignored by other media. But he is not un-controversial himself.

Why should I agree or disagree?  Trump was in control of the news cycle.  Maybe he should have worked a bit more on his appeal rather than creating a platform of controversy and a bed of lies he so cherishes to this day.  Reap what you sow kinda thing.  He won the election and had every chance to turn things around.  He didn't, whether by choice or ignorance. I'll let you pick.  As for his handling of the Russian meddling controversy, again, much of his own doing.  Even today, all this stuff about classified documents and other government property could have been avoided if he had just said "oops" and given them back to the National Archive folks as they requested.  He didn't and decided to fight instead.  It's just the way he is.

Tucker Carlson enjoys a niche audience of devotees, which is his choice.  He will not be as successful if his programming strays far beyond what his limited audience wants to hear.  Why should his media competition allow him space on their podium?  Ditto for Trump.  He thought his popular minority audience would somehow carry him across the line, even up the Capitol steps on 6 January, after losing the election.

Again, this is my opinion.

[2tallbill]

I do not want Trump to be the GOP nominee.

Record numbers of people are worse off, a recipe for political discontent: POLL
4 in 10 Americans say they are worse off financially since Biden took office.
If those were the choices and the election were today, the poll suggests it
could be close: Among all adults, 48 percent support Donald Trump and 44
percent are for Biden; it's a similar 48-45 percent among registered voters.
The differences are within the poll's margin of sampling error.

Just 16 percent in this poll, produced for ABC by Langer Research Associates,
say they're better off.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/record-numbers-worse-off-recipe-political-discontent-poll/story?id=96884607

[BC]

2tall,

when a majority of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck, price hikes in any segment will be more noticeable.  From fuel to eggs.  They are at the mercy of the markets and any disruptions that may come about for any reason.

[2tallbill]

2tall,
when a majority of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck, price hikes in any segment will be more noticeable.  From fuel to eggs.  They are at the mercy of the markets and any disruptions that may come about for any reason.

Everyone who receives a paycheck, lives from paycheck to paycheck. What's the
alternative? Some have more and some have less stress than others.

Poor people are the least able to pay the cost of leftist policies, yet they always
pay the highest price. Inflation always affects those on fixed and lower incomes
the most.

When the left damages the economy with their policies. The first thing people do
is to reduce saving. The next thing they start doing is living from paycheck to
paycheck.

[BC]

2tall,

"living from paycheck to paycheck" means not having enough disposable income to absorb a small financial shock such as an unplanned car repair, hospital bill, or higher prices.  By the time you cash your check, it's pretty much gone.

[BC]

When the left damages the economy with their policies. The first thing people do
is to reduce saving. The next thing they start doing is living from paycheck to
paycheck.

So what are these 'left policies' with essentials such as housing, energy, foodstuffs, education, and healthcare?

[cufflinks]

BC is Blatantly Communist and therefore just pumps out the Communist Party line including and especially Beijing Biden's.

[BC]

[2tallbill]

So what are these 'left policies' with essentials such as housing, energy, foodstuffs, education, and healthcare?

The Green New Deal, attempts at wrecking the energy sector and inflationary
spending.

The Left maliciously meddles in the industries that provides food stuff's, the
entire meat industry, the housing industry, the entire education sector, and
they make health care far more expensive than need be. The wacko left
is not here to help.

Nobody wants to remove or eliminate our safety nets for the poor, certainly
I don't. It's the malicious meddling that needs to be stopped before the radical
left destroys them.

[Lon]

Biden finally gives the order to shoot down the Chinese spy balloon.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-says-us-is-going-take-care-of-chinese-balloon-2023-02-04/

I think it should have been shot down when it was in Alaska. Here's an interesting video of the F22 jets circling it just prior to the shoot down near Myrtle Beach, SC.

https://twitter.com/wxbrad/status/1621954141764329472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1621954141764329472%7Ctwgr%5Ef20f2f45598beafbe1566ad5e3248a08b17a28b8%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yahoo.com%2Fsports%2Fbrandon-aiyuk-reveals-nsfw-reaction-012245133.html

It appears the "spy" balloon was 200 feet tall and carried a pay load as large as a regional jet that weight of several thousand pounds. Not your typical weather balloon.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chinas-spy-balloon-was-200-ft-tall-carried-payload-the-size-of-a-jet/ar-AA17cwSV

Peter Zeihan had some interesting comments...an easy find on utube

the balloon was simply a non issue for the U.S., it could not learn anything that was not already open source or seen from a satellite.  the U.S. just closed all the doors on the
missile silos and shut down emissions.
as for shooting it down earlier, a shoot down over land would have left a very large debris field and the U.S. wanted to recover the parts, the waters off the east coast in that
area are very shallow.  Alaskan waters not so shallow.   also the intelligence community was learning quite a bit while it floated serenely over.

Peter Zeihan has further remarks on the whole disfunction of the China government concerning this incident, but I will leave it to you to peruse the vid.

[BC]

So what are these 'left policies' with essentials such as housing, energy, foodstuffs, education, and healthcare?

The Green New Deal, attempts at wrecking the energy sector and inflationary
spending.

The Left maliciously meddles in the industries that provides food stuff's, the
entire meat industry, the housing industry, the entire education sector, and
they make health care far more expensive than need be. The wacko left
is not here to help.

Nobody wants to remove or eliminate our safety nets for the poor, certainly
I don't. It's the malicious meddling that needs to be stopped before the radical
left destroys them.

That's quite generic, blame the left party line talking points 2tall.

Energy is a global market, and it's those demand markets that set the price.  It's not regulation that affects drilling. It's prices that allow producers to profit without making huge investments in new drilling.  Those same prices make investments in alternative energy viable.  Increased costs due to regulation are simply passed on to the customer.  Producers don't care, as it won't hurt their bottom line.  Why work more for less?  Just to appease the customer?  Makes little business sense.  Green(er) energy is no longer an experiment. It has reached the point of maturity/sustainability and, in the long run, makes more business sense.  Customers are already used to paying more for their energy and know prices won't go down much.  Big oil is riding this one out and milking us for all they can.  They love the low-cost, high-earnings status quo.

As for foodstuffs, meats, etc., I'd say regulations here in the EU are even more pervasive.  Yet, prices for the basics like meat, milk, bread, eggs, and veggies are lower than in the US in many places.  Ditto for many energy markets.  If that results from malicious lefty meddling, I'm all for it.

As for the social net, I'm pretty confident that here in the EU the basics are better covered, and more effective.

In many ways, I think some have to create problems instead of dealing with those that exist.  Such can be noted even with language, inventing catchy new words and phrases like 'woke,' 'lefty,' 'stop the steal', and a host of others to create a market for conservative thought that can't be expressed using normal language.

[Bodine]

I do not know why so little coverage of what happened in E. Palestine is being shown! Now the same thing happened in So Carolina and Houston.

https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1625152635194966025/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1625149144603021312&currentTweetUser=DC_Draino

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1625310075505238023/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1625152635194966025&currentTweetUser=DC_Draino

[2tallbill]

Even today, all this stuff about classified documents and other government property could have been avoided if he had just said "oops" and given them back to the National Archive folks as they requested.  He didn't and decided to fight instead.  It's just the way he is.

Check out article two of the constitution. The president can declassify documents, even
if he is orange, has funny hair and writes mean tweets.

He doesn't have to ask or check in with the National Archive or lefty democrats first.
Vice Presidents don't have the same constitutional powers. If Pence did this, (he did) 
or Hillary (she did), or Biden (he is guilty as well) they could get into big trouble.

Trump was president and can declassify everything and anything he wants.
That's the facts.

Here is a link for those who want to look up article two of the constitution
https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/full-text

[BC]

2tall,

AFAIK, having worked with such documents, the information within a document is classified; the document itself is only a carrier of information.  You'll note such when reviewing documents declassified in the past that contain parts that have been redacted and are still classified.

Declassification applies to the same information in all other documents or media.  You can't have the same information classified on one document and declassified somewhere else on a hard drive.  I don't believe a sitting president can declassify only the information in a document he or she possesses in a manner that does not declassify the same information elsewhere.

If Trump declassified these documents, it would likely be up to him to prove he did so while still in office.  I doubt the act of 'thinking' qualifies.

In addition, whether the information is declassified is probably irrelevant; it remains US Government property. Some information, i.e. regarding nuclear matters, by law, cannot be declassified by a sitting president.  These were not personal papers or family photos.

Yes, others like Biden, Clinton, or whoever can surely be held accountable for their actions.  Be aware, though, that most laws covering such require proof of 'knowingly' and/or 'willingly.'  As for 'knowingly,' cases regarding classified information stored in a closet somewhere comingled with a bunch of other stuff might be judged differently than those stored in an often-used desk along with passports and other documents may not.  As I stated, had he handed them over with an oops, there would be little issue.  Instead, he claimed them as his property, and that action ticks the box called 'willingly.'  In many ways, he again dug his hole, and obstruction comes to mind. Other aspects, such as allegedly showing classified information to others, will surely be investigated as well.

In any case, it will be up to folks much more knowledgeable than you or I to make the calls, so I'll leave it up to Jack Smith, DOJ, and eventually the courts to figure it out.  Our opinions don't count for much.

[2tallbill]

Declassification applies to the same information in all other documents or media.  You can't have the same information classified on one document and declassified somewhere else on a hard drive.  I don't believe a sitting president can declassify only the information in a document he or she possesses in a manner that does not declassify the same information elsewhere.

If Trump declassified these documents, it would likely be up to him to prove he did so while still in office.  I doubt the act of 'thinking' qualifies.

In addition, whether the information is declassified is probably irrelevant; it remains US Government property. Some information, i.e. regarding nuclear matters, by law, cannot be declassified by a sitting president.  These were not personal papers or family photos.

1. Show me in the constitution the limits on the presidents ability to handle
or declassify documents of any type.
2. The burden of proof does not lie on Trump to prove that he didn't commit a crime.
3. Nuke matters I want to see the evidence of your assertions.
4. You don't know what the papers were, what they are about or anything else about
them.
5. You don't know anything about the documents that Pence, Biden or Hillary had
except that they are good (except Pence) and orange man is bad.

[2tallbill]

It's not regulation that affects drilling.

I can post 100 articles proving you wrong, but how many times have I done this?
In 5 months you will state that nothing the president does affects the cost of gas
or drilling, blah, blah, blah. Rephrasing your previously debunked argument is
getting old. What's next you are going to claim that the Government subsidizes
the industry? You've made that failed argument enough times.

Biden halts oil and gas leases, permits on US land and water
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-billings-a3a37acf2fce55449b704b01badc1f67


Biden Admin Halts Oil Drilling in Alaska Wildlife Refuge
https://www.voanews.com/a/economy-business_biden-admin-halts-oil-drilling-alaska-wildlife-refuge/6206510.html


Biden administration freezes new oil and gas drilling leases after court rules against key climate tool
https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/21/us/biden-climate-social-cost-of-carbon-court/index.html


Biden Administration Cancels Drilling  Sales in Alaska and Gulf of Mexico
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/12/climate/biden-oil-gas-lease-sales.html


Biden Halts Oil, Gas Leases As Gas Prices Skyrocket At Home
https://www.dailywire.com/news/biden-halts-oil-gas-leases-as-oil-prices-skyrocket-at-home


A Wyoming County Predicts 'Total Economic Devastation' From Biden Leasing Ban
https://www.npr.org/sections/president-biden-takes-office/2021/01/28/961214695/a-wyoming-county-predicts-total-economic-devastation-from-biden-leasing-ban

Energy is a global market, and it's those demand markets that set the price. 

Supply and Demand sets the global price.
Taxes, regulation and red tape set national prices. More of the same
dictates local prices along with shipping, refining and distribution.

The prices in Rome are not the same as the prices in Houston. Your argument
has no facts to support your claim. 

It's prices that allow producers to profit without making huge investments in new drilling. 

Wrong, there are a zillion companies that would drill if the permits were not being stifled.
You think there are a small number of producers and they decided to hold back drilling
to drive up the price of oil to make more money. It's a lie, told repeatedly by Biden
and his ilk. Team Biden has attempted to strangle supply. Supply and demand dictate
price.

There are nearly countless drilling companies.

The number of active rigs in North Dakota was 30 one year ago and 41 today.
Why did that happen? Because the price went up and independent drillers went
on to make a buck from it. The facts don't back up your arguments. 

Those same prices make investments in alternative energy viable. 

It also damages the lives of poor people. More than 2 billion people across the
planet burn dried animal dung for energy. It is far worse for human health or
the environment than fossil fuels. Leftist policies are about control of the
population and the accumulation of power. Poor Americans would do far
better voting for the GOP than the leftist wackos.

If that results from malicious lefty meddling, I'm all for it.

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I have a limited time to debate here and that time has expired for today.
Udachi!
Bill

[BC]

2tall,

we've discussed this in depth before, starting around here:

https://ruadventures.com/forum/index.php/topic,29132.msg543845.html#msg543845

BTW burning camel dung seems to be carbon-neutral.  As to health, I doubt it has any effect.

https://www.thenationalnews.com/uae/environment/how-camel-waste-is-fuelling-the-uae-s-circular-economy-1.877698

[Contrarian]

I hereby nominate Beyond Confused to take the place of Karine what's her face as press secretary for the President. 

The dumbest most dishonest nonsensical press secretary in the history of the White House. 

[Contrarian]

I hereby nominate Beyond Confused to take the place of Karine what's her face as press secretary for the President. 

The dumbest most dishonest nonsensical press secretary in the history of the White House. 

I meant this as a joke, in regards to BC. 

I should have put the smiley faces. I think BC is more intelligent than Karine. 

[BC]

I hereby nominate Beyond Confused to take the place of Karine what's her face as press secretary for the President. 

The dumbest most dishonest nonsensical press secretary in the history of the White House. 

I meant this as a joke, in regards to BC. 

I should have put the smiley faces. I think BC is more intelligent than Karine. 

No problem at all Contrarian, you made me blush   I kinda like KJP - she's human.  Much, much better than past press secretaries KC and SHS, with their robotic performances that always left you trying to remember what the question was. 

[AvHdB]

I hereby nominate Beyond Confused to take the place of Karine what's her face as press secretary for the President. 

The dumbest most dishonest nonsensical press secretary in the history of the White House. 

I meant this as a joke, in regards to BC. 

I should have put the smiley faces. I think BC is more intelligent than Karine. 

The majority of amoeba are smarter than Karine Jean Pierre. Would she not be more useful to Trudeau?