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The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
« on: November 23, 2022, 09:32:22 AM »
The USA Caused the War in Ukraine
and Only the USA Can End It!




MORE ACCURATE NARRATIVE ABOUT THE WAR & UKRAINE
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While United States  infrastructure has been rotting away and entire cities  don’t even have access to clean drinking water, the Biden Administration and the entire Democratic Party elite have given over $54 billion in military aid  to Ukraine from February, 2022 to the present.

Reading mainstream news, we’re led to believe that this invasion was unprovoked; unpredictable; and a story of a rogue authoritarian state preying on a weaker, open, democratic society, fighting for the future of democracy in the Western world.

We’re led to believe that this war started in February with Russia’s invasion. In reality, this war has been going on for 8 years, fueled by American support. This support has largely been funneled to neo-Nazis and ultranationalist elements fundamentally opposed to democracy.

So, what’s the real story? Could this crisis have been predicted, and if so, avoided?

In 1989, during negotiations with the Soviet Union on the reunification of Germany, an informal agreement was made that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) would not expand eastward — “Not one inch”. This was acknowledged by both the US and NATO, which now assert that because they never put this agreement in writing, it is not binding. Therefore, they claim NATO has done nothing wrong and nothing to provoke a war with Russia. But the Russian perspective is very different.

To truly understand Russia’s motivations and have any hope of achieving peace, we must  grapple with the Russian perspective on its own terms. It does no good to dismiss history and context while  claiming Russian irrationality. We must understand the historical and geopolitical context to  know which forces are at play so we can chart a realistic pathway to peace.



Michail Gorbachev discussing German unification with
Hans-Dietrich Genscher and Helmut Kohl in Russia, July 15, 1990.

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Re: The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2022, 11:17:43 AM »
The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
Screw the US. If we want the war to end we need to send the Yankees packing and settle the problem in a civilized manner instead. Let the US go home and deal with their race riots and mass shootings.
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Re: The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2022, 12:52:27 PM »
The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
Screw the US. If we want the war to end we need to send the Yankees packing and settle the problem in a civilized manner instead. Let the US go home and deal with their race riots and mass shootings.

Why not give RUA an example of how the war can be settled? Something that doesn't include giving Russia everything they want and will stop Russia from invading Ukraine or some other country in the future?
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Re: The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2022, 03:10:30 PM »
The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
Screw the US. If we want the war to end we need to send the Yankees packing and settle the problem in a civilized manner instead. Let the US go home and deal with their race riots and mass shootings.

Why not give RUA an example of how the war can be settled? Something that doesn't include giving Russia everything they want and will stop Russia from invading Ukraine or some other country in the future?

If you had bothered to read the whole article then you would know the answer. It is pretty obvious you have never been anywhere near the EX USSR countries and you know almost nothing more than the instructions sent to you by the Propaganda Centre you are serving. At this point I would suggest that you start reading the article first and I can assure you that I am not a communist follower, simply they have produced one of the best narratives regarding the war etc in Ukraine.

The article clearly says that after the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine (=Border land,)   in 1991 became an independent nation together with the old Greek colony Tavrida = Crimea today,  started their independent life in full co operation with Russia. Most of the people in Crimea were Russians with Russian passports, like my taxi driver…..there. There were was no need  for VISA and the Majority of their exports were going to Russia. The last Ukraine president Victor Yancovitz was kicked out of power because America wanted to have full control of the country so they managed to replace him with their own candidate they installed one of their puppets, as new president, Viktor Yushchenko

Read and learn.....the Americans will mot be able to stop the Russians  taking full control of the indepentent Russian Oblasts......Donbas, Louhansk and of course nothing will happen to  Crimea.
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Re: The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2022, 04:50:21 PM »
The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
Screw the US. If we want the war to end we need to send the Yankees packing and settle the problem in a civilized manner instead. Let the US go home and deal with their race riots and mass shootings.

Why not give RUA an example of how the war can be settled? Something that doesn't include giving Russia everything they want and will stop Russia from invading Ukraine or some other country in the future?
So, you didn't actually read what I wrote, is that it? You made 3 false statements in response to my post:

1). That I didn't give an example of how the war can be settled.
2). That my example (the one you claim I didn't even make) allows Russia to get everything they want.
3). That my example (once again, the one you claim I never made) is a signal for Russia to invade anywhere in the world.

I don't see any dialogue in your reply. Why exactly did you respond?
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Re: The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2022, 05:00:15 PM »
..... The last Ukraine president Victor Yancovitz was kicked out of power because America wanted to have full control of the country so they managed to replace him with their own candidate they installed one of their puppets, as new president, Viktor Yushchenko .....
And there ... once again ... we have the reason for the war - an American puppet regime à la Shah of Iran with its strings being pulled from Washington. Same shit, different country.

The bottom line is - kick out the Yankees and you've got an excellent groundwork of opportunity to negotiate peace.
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Re: The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2022, 05:49:43 PM »
..... The last Ukraine president Victor Yancovitz was kicked out of power because America wanted to have full control of the country so they managed to replace him with their own candidate they installed one of their puppets, as new president, Viktor Yushchenko .....
And there ... once again ... we have the reason for the war - an American puppet regime à la Shah of Iran with its strings being pulled from Washington. Same shit, different country.

The bottom line is - kick out the Yankees and you've got an excellent groundwork of opportunity to negotiate peace.

What's the difference between Ukraine being run from Moscow or Ukraine being run from Washington?
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Re: The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2022, 06:06:44 PM »
The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
Screw the US. If we want the war to end we need to send the Yankees packing and settle the problem in a civilized manner instead. Let the US go home and deal with their race riots and mass shootings.

Why not give RUA an example of how the war can be settled? Something that doesn't include giving Russia everything they want and will stop Russia from invading Ukraine or some other country in the future?
So, you didn't actually read what I wrote, is that it? You made 3 false statements in response to my post:

1). That I didn't give an example of how the war can be settled.
2). That my example (the one you claim I didn't even make) allows Russia to get everything they want.
3). That my example (once again, the one you claim I never made) is a signal for Russia to invade anywhere in the world.

I don't see any dialogue in your reply. Why exactly did you respond?

1. You stated that the Americans should be kicked out of Ukraine. Don't know how that could be done? Kicking out the Americans would still leave the UK and other Europeans countries aiding Ukraine. If by kicking out the Americans you mean kicking out the Americans and their European allies then in all likelihood Russia would eventually take over Ukraine in the long term. Why would Putin negotiate a peace treaty if he already has control of Ukraine?

2. Many experts said Putin won't settle for anything short of controlling all of Ukraine. Now after many failures in Ukraine Putin might settle for less however the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians have said they won't surrender territory for a peace treaty because that will just give Putin time to rearm,  train more soldiers and invade again some time in the future.

3. No Russia won't invade anywhere in the world. Russia is at best a regional power. Even as a regional power Russia would not invade any place where China as interests. Putin knows not to anger China. China will not be as gentle with Russia as the west as been.

Many experts have said that Russia's invasion of Ukraine was a start for Putin and that he would try to rebuild some semblance of his version of the USSR. Many leaders of countries that were once part of the USSR or the Warsaw Pact agree.

There's no one on RUA who has anywhere that type of knowledge so I'm willing to take their opinion over anyone on RUA.
andrewfi says ''Proximity is almost no guarantee of authority" and "in many cases, distance gives a better picture with less emotional and subjective input."

That means I'm a subject matter expert on all things Russia, Ukraine and UK.

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Re: The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2022, 08:05:21 PM »
What's the difference between Ukraine being run from Moscow or Ukraine being run from Washington?
The “difference” is that Ukraine is BEING RUN FROM WASHINGTON.
 
1. You stated that the Americans should be kicked out of Ukraine. Don't know how that could be done? Kicking out the Americans would still leave the UK and other Europeans countries aiding Ukraine.
“Kicking out the Americans” includes either dismantling NATO in Europe or making it a truly multi-national entity. As it stands it is a front for American manipulation of Europe.

If by kicking out the Americans you mean kicking out the Americans and their European allies then in all likelihood Russia would eventually take over Ukraine in the long term. Why would Putin negotiate a peace treaty if he already has control of Ukraine?
Your “likelihood” is a CIA cry-wolf siren. Putin doesn’t control Ukraine. So far (so far) Putin hasn’t over-stepped his claimed goals.

2. Many experts said Putin won't settle for anything short of controlling all of Ukraine. Now after many failures in Ukraine Putin might settle for less however the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians have said they won't surrender territory for a peace treaty because that will just give Putin time to rearm,  train more soldiers and invade again some time in the future.
You know as well as I do that those aren’t “experts”. That is standard CIA prelude to an invasion by the US. In fact, as Wiz has already pointed out, the American invasion has already taken place. That is the reason Putin has been forced to take action in the first place.

3. No Russia won't invade anywhere in the world. Russia is at best a regional power. Even as a regional power Russia would not invade any place where China as interests. Putin knows not to anger China. China will not be as gentle with Russia as the west as been.
It was you who suggested he could, not me.

Many experts have said that Russia's invasion of Ukraine was a start for Putin and that he would try to rebuild some semblance of his version of the USSR. Many leaders of countries that were once part of the USSR or the Warsaw Pact agree.
Again with the “experts” already? I’ll bet you are going to pretend not to know that those “once part of the USSR or the Warsaw Pact” are now NATO members, ie. US coercion.

There's no one on RUA who has anywhere that type of knowledge so I'm willing to take their opinion over anyone on RUA.
You are denying all other possibilities in favour of strict American coercion. Self-imposed or voluntary selective ignorance is a crutch. Learn to walk without them or at least test it and see what you can find.
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Re: The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2022, 11:15:23 PM »

There's no one on RUA who has anywhere that type of knowledge so I'm willing to take their opinion over anyone on RUA.
You are denying all other possibilities in favour of strict American coercion. Self-imposed or voluntary selective ignorance is a crutch. Learn to walk without them or at least test it and see what you can find.

Here is an example of his ignorace in his effort to bullshit us against Russia and nothing else:

Valenki
You are talking to a brick wall!
He is not more than a waste of our valuable time. His ignorance is amazing.

Russia and Putin has been respecting all the agreements they made with USA and its NATO European vassals. But the other signatories on these agerrements they do not Act normally neither Respect their promises and also their signatures!

Russia and Ukraine have signed 2 Minsk agreements which Ukraine, Zelenki and USA/NATO didn’t implemented, the 2
Minsk agreements



Valenki, You are talking to a brick wall! he is not more than a waste of our valuable time. His ignorance is amazing.

Russia and Putin has been respecting all the agreement they made with USA and its European vassals.

Russia and Ukraine have signed 2 Minsk agreements which Ukraine, Zelenki and USA/NATO didn’t implemented,

Putin has many times warned them about their not respect of the agreements and did not listen.

No more comments to brick walls



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Re: The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2022, 12:18:09 AM »

Valenki, You are talking to a brick wall! he is not more than a waste of our valuable time. His ignorance is amazing.

Russia and Putin has been respecting all the agreement they made with USA and its European vassals.

Russia and Ukraine have signed 2 Minsk agreements which Ukraine, Zelenki and USA/NATO didn’t implemented,

Putin has many times warned them about their not respect of the agreements and did not listen.

No more comments to brick walls

No brick walls, just opposing opinions.  The battle of opinion cannot be won lacking facts.  Have you read the two Minsk agreements? Which parts of the agreement did Ukraine violate, and which parts of the agreement did Russia violate?

Are you willing to follow and accept the the facts?

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Re: The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2022, 12:28:53 AM »

Valenki, You are talking to a brick wall! he is not more than a waste of our valuable time. His ignorance is amazing.

Russia and Putin has been respecting all the agreement they made with USA and its European vassals.

Russia and Ukraine have signed 2 Minsk agreements which Ukraine, Zelenki and USA/NATO didn’t implemented,

Putin has many times warned them about their not respect of the agreements and did not listen.

No more comments to brick walls

No brick walls, just opposing opinions.  The battle of opinion cannot be won lacking facts.  Have you read the two Minsk agreements? Which parts of the agreement did Ukraine violate, and which parts of the agreement did Russia violate?

Are you willing to follow and accept the the facts?

Sorry no time now to write an answer. Must go to a birthday party of my Grand daughter at North London and take me 1.1/2  hour.

Meanwhile you canpost your evidence....and no propaganda. Capisshi!

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Re: The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2022, 02:13:16 AM »
What's the difference between Ukraine being run from Moscow or Ukraine being run from Washington?
The “difference” is that Ukraine is BEING RUN FROM WASHINGTON.
 
1. You stated that the Americans should be kicked out of Ukraine. Don't know how that could be done? Kicking out the Americans would still leave the UK and other Europeans countries aiding Ukraine.
“Kicking out the Americans” includes either dismantling NATO in Europe or making it a truly multi-national entity. As it stands it is a front for American manipulation of Europe.

If by kicking out the Americans you mean kicking out the Americans and their European allies then in all likelihood Russia would eventually take over Ukraine in the long term. Why would Putin negotiate a peace treaty if he already has control of Ukraine?
Your “likelihood” is a CIA cry-wolf siren. Putin doesn’t control Ukraine. So far (so far) Putin hasn’t over-stepped his claimed goals.

2. Many experts said Putin won't settle for anything short of controlling all of Ukraine. Now after many failures in Ukraine Putin might settle for less however the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians have said they won't surrender territory for a peace treaty because that will just give Putin time to rearm,  train more soldiers and invade again some time in the future.
You know as well as I do that those aren’t “experts”. That is standard CIA prelude to an invasion by the US. In fact, as Wiz has already pointed out, the American invasion has already taken place. That is the reason Putin has been forced to take action in the first place.

3. No Russia won't invade anywhere in the world. Russia is at best a regional power. Even as a regional power Russia would not invade any place where China as interests. Putin knows not to anger China. China will not be as gentle with Russia as the west as been.
It was you who suggested he could, not me.

Many experts have said that Russia's invasion of Ukraine was a start for Putin and that he would try to rebuild some semblance of his version of the USSR. Many leaders of countries that were once part of the USSR or the Warsaw Pact agree.
Again with the “experts” already? I’ll bet you are going to pretend not to know that those “once part of the USSR or the Warsaw Pact” are now NATO members, ie. US coercion.

There's no one on RUA who has anywhere that type of knowledge so I'm willing to take their opinion over anyone on RUA.
You are denying all other possibilities in favour of strict American coercion. Self-imposed or voluntary selective ignorance is a crutch. Learn to walk without them or at least test it and see what you can find.

Ukraine was being controlled by Moscow, the Ukrainian leadership was a Russian puppet. The Ukrainians didn't like it so switched to being controlled by the Americans.
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'How are you going to dismantle NATO? Sweden and Finland want to join NATO. Perhaps you and your friends could go to the Swedish government and tell them you don't want Sweden to join NATO? Then just to emphasis your point you could travel to Poland where the American forces are stationed and tell the American military you want them out of Europe now? I'm almost sure this would work.

You say Putin doesn't want to control Ukraine? What are your qualifications to voice this opinion when many people who know Putin far better than you say otherwise?

The US somehow tricked or forced many governments from the Warsaw Pact to join NATO and the EU? How? Mind control?

IMO anyone who believes the US government forced countries to join NATO and can't say how the US did it is a moron. What do you do in Sweden? Work at Ikea assembling furniture?


 
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That means I'm a subject matter expert on all things Russia, Ukraine and UK.

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Re: The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2022, 03:20:06 AM »

Ukraine was being controlled by Moscow, the Ukrainian leadership was a Russian puppet. The Ukrainians didn't like it so switched to being controlled by the Americans.

Whether the basis of what you say is true or not it is irrelevant because your conclusion is wrong. As I’ve already said, what has happened in Ukraine is a copy of what the CIA did in Iran. The point? You say the Ukrainians switched to being controlled by the Americans. This is most certainly false. AGAIN look at Iran and Operation TP Ajax.

How are you going to dismantle NATO? Sweden and Finland want to join NATO. Perhaps you and your friends could go to the Swedish government and tell them you don't want Sweden to join NATO?

I cast my vote against it in the elections all through. I believe in Democracy and whether it fails or is corrupted I don’t believe in violence to make my vote more important than it is. Anyway, you are way off the subject now. Your back is against the wall and you're trying to slip out around the edge. 

Then just to emphasis your point you could travel to Poland where the American forces are stationed and tell the American military you want them out of Europe now? I'm almost sure this would work.

Well, I know I said that I am not violent but if push comes to shove and a NATO member state wants out then I will support them …. by force if the US doesn’t respect their Democratic wishes.

You say Putin doesn't want to control Ukraine? What are your qualifications to voice this opinion when many people who know Putin far better than you say otherwise?

Putin has kept his proclaimed goals within “the boundaries”.  This ought to be obvious to you in particular considering that many people who know Putin far better than you or I agree with me.  :nod:

The US somehow tricked or forced many governments from the Warsaw Pact to join NATO and the EU? How? Mind control?

Yes. By propaganda. False information. Misinformation. Disinformation. I don’t think you know very much about daily life in those Warsaw Pact cum NATO countries.

IMO anyone who believes the US government forced countries to join NATO and can't say how the US did it is a moron.

I am telling you “how”. IMO anyone who closes his eyes and ears to opposing views is a moron.

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None of your business. But I do know how you supplement your income -
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2022, 09:23:18 AM »
I think the US is doing a superb job of helping to decrease global population growth. From leading the world in abortion rate to instigating global conflicts and hot zones. Just imagine how many millions of deaths we caused just in the last twenty years alone.

Fauci & Co. alone had done masterful job in their appointed and US-financed project sector.

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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2022, 10:11:46 AM »
I think the US is doing a superb job of helping to decrease global population growth. From leading the world in abortion rate to instigating global conflicts and hot zones. Just imagine how many millions of deaths we caused just in the last twenty years alone.

Fauci & Co. alone had done masterful job in their appointed and US-financed project sector.
You found something positive to say about a deadly & treacherous situation. Well done!  tiphat
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Re: The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2022, 11:19:23 AM »

If Russia wanted to start a war in Canada, all they have to do is do what Obama and Biden did in Ukraine. Engage in regime change, create dozens of biolabs and court Canada into their military alliance.

USA can end the war by telling their Deep State puppet Zelensky to agree to talks. Last week Washington and Zelensky gave us hope they may consider talks. It's all a lie. I just learned Biden is sending people to 50 nations to raise money for Ukraine instead of joining in on promoting peace. FTX is bankrupt so they'll have another offshore business Zelensky can put money into to get politicians from participating nations a kickback. Nobody really cares about Ukrainians. Money gone missing and weapons WE paid for get resold to bad actors around the world. All our government wants to do is raise more money so they get rich.

Here's another scam that puts money into politicians pockets. We pay into the Paris Accord and now Biden is dumping money in the UN's climate project.

https://resistthemainstream.org/biden-administration-to-pay-into-united-nations-fund-to-compensate-countries-for-climate-change/?utm_source=telegram


Over 220 generals and admirals say we are in a fight for our survival like no other time since 1776. If you want to stop the war in Ukraine, fix elections, stop medical tyranny and forced vaccinations, lower inflation and make America and the world a better place, get Trump back into power. The Democrats and Republicans have shown they can't do the job. They are good at robbing us and getting people killed in non stop wars.

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« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2022, 11:23:21 AM »

What disappoints me is seeing so many people on this forum caring about Ukraine and Ukrainians yet fail to understand to fix problems over there, we must fix the problems at home. Sending in more money and weapons is what the bad people want since they profit from it and it'll kill more Ukrainians. America has a criminal cartel in charge of government who cheated in elections to get there. Most American's would not vote for Biden or other brain dead and dead people just like what we've seen in the last two elections.
Over 220 generals and admirals say we are in a fight for our survival like no other time since 1776. If you want to stop the war in Ukraine, fix elections, stop medical tyranny and forced vaccinations, lower inflation and make America and the world a better place, get Trump back into power. The Democrats and Republicans have shown they can't do the job. They are good at robbing us and getting people killed in non stop wars.

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Re: The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2022, 11:36:35 AM »

If Russia wanted to start a war in Canada, all they have to do is do what Obama and Biden did in Ukraine. Engage in regime change, create dozens of biolabs and court Canada into their military alliance.

USA can end the war by telling their Deep State puppet Zelensky to agree to talks. Last week Washington and Zelensky gave us hope they may consider talks. It's all a lie. I just learned Biden is sending people to 50 nations to raise money for Ukraine instead of joining in on promoting peace. FTX is bankrupt so they'll have another offshore business Zelensky can put money into to get politicians from participating nations a kickback. Nobody really cares about Ukrainians. Money gone missing and weapons WE paid for get resold to bad actors around the world. All our government wants to do is raise more money so they get rich.

Here's another scam that puts money into politicians pockets. We pay into the Paris Accord and now Biden is dumping money in the UN's climate project.

What disappoints me is seeing so many people on this forum caring about Ukraine and Ukrainians yet fail to understand to fix problems over there, we must fix the problems at home. Sending in more money and weapons is what the bad people want since they profit from it and it'll kill more Ukrainians. America has a criminal cartel in charge of government who cheated in elections to get there. Most American's would not vote for Biden or other brain dead and dead people just like what we've seen in the last two elections.
Thank you, BillyB.  :nod:
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Re: The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2022, 09:02:55 PM »

Ukraine was being controlled by Moscow, the Ukrainian leadership was a Russian puppet. The Ukrainians didn't like it so switched to being controlled by the Americans.

Whether the basis of what you say is true or not it is irrelevant because your conclusion is wrong. As I’ve already said, what has happened in Ukraine is a copy of what the CIA did in Iran. The point? You say the Ukrainians switched to being controlled by the Americans. This is most certainly false. AGAIN look at Iran and Operation TP Ajax.

How are you going to dismantle NATO? Sweden and Finland want to join NATO. Perhaps you and your friends could go to the Swedish government and tell them you don't want Sweden to join NATO?

I cast my vote against it in the elections all through. I believe in Democracy and whether it fails or is corrupted I don’t believe in violence to make my vote more important than it is. Anyway, you are way off the subject now. Your back is against the wall and you're trying to slip out around the edge. 

Then just to emphasis your point you could travel to Poland where the American forces are stationed and tell the American military you want them out of Europe now? I'm almost sure this would work.

Well, I know I said that I am not violent but if push comes to shove and a NATO member state wants out then I will support them …. by force if the US doesn’t respect their Democratic wishes.

You say Putin doesn't want to control Ukraine? What are your qualifications to voice this opinion when many people who know Putin far better than you say otherwise?

Putin has kept his proclaimed goals within “the boundaries”.  This ought to be obvious to you in particular considering that many people who know Putin far better than you or I agree with me.  :nod:

The US somehow tricked or forced many governments from the Warsaw Pact to join NATO and the EU? How? Mind control?

Yes. By propaganda. False information. Misinformation. Disinformation. I don’t think you know very much about daily life in those Warsaw Pact cum NATO countries.

IMO anyone who believes the US government forced countries to join NATO and can't say how the US did it is a moron.

I am telling you “how”. IMO anyone who closes his eyes and ears to opposing views is a moron.

What do you do in Sweden? Work at Ikea assembling furniture?

None of your business. But I do know how you supplement your income -

How do you know it's false that the Ukrainians switched from being controlled by Moscow to being controlled by Washington? Just because something happened 70 years ago in Iran doesn't mean it's happening today in Ukraine. Give some proof to back up your post.

You brought up the subject of rebuilding NATO not me. Since NATO is an important part of fighting Russia it is on point.

How are you as a civilian going to fight to support a NATO member leaving NATO? Become a terrorist?

Who are the many people who know Putin far better than you or I? Why not post those names, organizations and countries?

If the US is so great at using propaganda, false information, misinformation, disinformation and such why didn't Russia fall for it? Were the Russians wearing tin foil hats to ward off the propaganda, false information, misinformation, disinformation and such? Is that what saved the Russians?

You're telling me nothing. You're not giving specific information on how the US conned anyone and you're not naming names who you're getting information from.

If you think I'm working for one of the US alphabet agencies or an American troll farm please tell the world how I supposed got the job and what it pays because I most certainly don't know how to apply for such jobs.

I know a great deal of people in Canada and the US who could use the extra money. I'm sure there are even some on RUA and others just watching RUA for fun who could use the money.
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Re: The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2022, 09:09:43 PM »
I think the US is doing a superb job of helping to decrease global population growth. From leading the world in abortion rate to instigating global conflicts and hot zones. Just imagine how many millions of deaths we caused just in the last twenty years alone.

Fauci & Co. alone had done masterful job in their appointed and US-financed project sector.
You found something positive to say about a deadly & treacherous situation. Well done!  tiphat


Well, perspectives you know. Sometimes it is just a matter of how one looks at things.

For instance it is reported that both Ukraine and Russia have so far lost in excess of 100k each from this preventable and unnecessary war.

Almost in the same length of time, the US have nearly lost as many in opioid/fentanyl deaths. Not only that, both homicide and mass killings is once again in the uptrend. Don’t even let me get started on suicide deaths.

So hopefully you can understand our current administration can hardly handle domestic affairs for its citizens, much less in how it handles its foreign affairs. You just gotta love our Democrats and the folks who put them to positions of power via mail-in votes.   :rolleye0009:

But be careful to lay the full blame on our foreign excursions alone. It also takes a full pledge stooge who believes sacrificing its citizens to meet the demands and urging of another state somehow makes him a hero.

Again, perspectives.

Weeks and days prior to this war starting, russians and Ukrainians were dying en masse due to COVID, remember that? BOOM! Bombs started falling, thousands hid on metro for days breathing stale air with no masks, then millions of refugees flooded Europe, and somehow a full blown epidemic failed to kick in.

 I guess in someway Ukraine is in a full voluntary lockdown these days and no one seems to mind. Unlike the Chinese.

Maybe wars scare the bejesus out of SARS-Cov2, No?

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Re: The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2022, 09:13:21 PM »
The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
Screw the US. If we want the war to end we need to send the Yankees packing and settle the problem in a civilized manner instead. Let the US go home and deal with their race riots and mass shootings.

Why not give RUA an example of how the war can be settled? Something that doesn't include giving Russia everything they want and will stop Russia from invading Ukraine or some other country in the future?

If you had bothered to read the whole article then you would know the answer. It is pretty obvious you have never been anywhere near the EX USSR countries and you know almost nothing more than the instructions sent to you by the Propaganda Centre you are serving. At this point I would suggest that you start reading the article first and I can assure you that I am not a communist follower, simply they have produced one of the best narratives regarding the war etc in Ukraine.

The article clearly says that after the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine (=Border land,)   in 1991 became an independent nation together with the old Greek colony Tavrida = Crimea today,  started their independent life in full co operation with Russia. Most of the people in Crimea were Russians with Russian passports, like my taxi driver…..there. There were was no need  for VISA and the Majority of their exports were going to Russia. The last Ukraine president Victor Yancovitz was kicked out of power because America wanted to have full control of the country so they managed to replace him with their own candidate they installed one of their puppets, as new president, Viktor Yushchenko

Read and learn.....the Americans will mot be able to stop the Russians  taking full control of the indepentent Russian Oblasts......Donbas, Louhansk and of course nothing will happen to  Crimea.

Global Research is well known for promoting conspiracy theories and falsehoods. My theories on extraterrestrials being are ultimate masters are more likely to be correct than most stories coming out of Global Research.
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Re: The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
« Reply #22 on: November 27, 2022, 09:51:01 PM »

What disappoints me is seeing so many people on this forum caring about Ukraine and Ukrainians yet fail to understand to fix problems over there, we must fix the problems at home. Sending in more money and weapons is what the bad people want since they profit from it and it'll kill more Ukrainians. America has a criminal cartel in charge of government who cheated in elections to get there. Most American's would not vote for Biden or other brain dead and dead people just like what we've seen in the last two elections.

I wonder what the US would be like today if France, Spain, and the Dutch Republic did not step up to the plate with funds, materials, and boots on the ground to help us gain our freedom during the Revolutionary War with Great Britain.

Russia controls a substantial portion of the world's energy supplies. Add to that a substantial portion of the world's food supplies if Russia prevails.  Think of the consequences remembering that our farmers already face significant hurdles with ever-increasing drought.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chloesorvino/2022/09/02/us-farmers-struggle-through-drought-to-bring-food-to-the-table-but-face-more-challenges-ahead

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Re: The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2022, 12:50:16 AM »

What disappoints me is seeing so many people on this forum caring about Ukraine and Ukrainians yet fail to understand to fix problems over there, we must fix the problems at home. Sending in more money and weapons is what the bad people want since they profit from it and it'll kill more Ukrainians. America has a criminal cartel in charge of government who cheated in elections to get there. Most American's would not vote for Biden or other brain dead and dead people just like what we've seen in the last two elections.

I wonder what the US would be like today if France, Spain, and the Dutch Republic did not step up to the plate with funds, materials, and boots on the ground to help us gain our freedom during the Revolutionary War with Great Britain.

Russia controls a substantial portion of the world's energy supplies. Add to that a substantial portion of the world's food supplies if Russia prevails.  Think of the consequences remembering that our farmers already face significant hurdles with ever-increasing drought.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chloesorvino/2022/09/02/us-farmers-struggle-through-drought-to-bring-food-to-the-table-but-face-more-challenges-ahead

What would Europe and the world be like if the US and Canada had of said Hitler running amok in Europe is a European problem we're going to stay out of it?
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Re: The USA Caused the War in Ukraine, and USA Can End It
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2022, 01:28:17 AM »

What disappoints me is seeing so many people on this forum caring about Ukraine and Ukrainians yet fail to understand to fix problems over there, we must fix the problems at home. Sending in more money and weapons is what the bad people want since they profit from it and it'll kill more Ukrainians. America has a criminal cartel in charge of government who cheated in elections to get there. Most American's would not vote for Biden or other brain dead and dead people just like what we've seen in the last two elections.

I wonder what the US would be like today if France, Spain, and the Dutch Republic did not step up to the plate with funds, materials, and boots on the ground to help us gain our freedom during the Revolutionary War with Great Britain.

Russia controls a substantial portion of the world's energy supplies. Add to that a substantial portion of the world's food supplies if Russia prevails.  Think of the consequences remembering that our farmers already face significant hurdles with ever-increasing drought.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chloesorvino/2022/09/02/us-farmers-struggle-through-drought-to-bring-food-to-the-table-but-face-more-challenges-ahead

What would Europe and the world be like if the US and Canada had of said Hitler running amok in Europe is a European problem we're going to stay out of it?
You are consistently & embarrassingly shallow.

The US didn't create or instigate Hitler's rampage. They did not have the foresight to help prevent it from happening, however, but let's give credit where credit is due and praise them for a job well done in assisting the good guys

Fast forward. Let's call this the "Military-Industrial Complex Era", ya' know where we are right now. Nowadays the US is the bad guy that intentionally and actively creates and instigates treachery around the world, destroying all forms of government including Democracies. Fidel Castro, Mohammad Mossadegh, Ho Chi Minh, Olaf Palme, Michail Gorbatjov were all good guys who the US opposed. The US created war in Cuba, Iran, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Afghanistan, Irak, etc. where none existed prior to US intervention. And now it's Ukraine. So, don't give us that crap about Hitler. Your "good guy" status no longer applies.
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