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Ukrainian Missiles Hit Poland
« on: November 15, 2022, 12:42:51 PM »
U.S. official: Russian missiles crossed into Poland, killing 2

Russia just stepped on their own dicks.  This looks, pretty clearly, to be unintentional, but two people still died and you can't hit a NATO country with missiles and expect there not to be consequences.

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Re: Ukrainian Missiles Hit Poland
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2022, 01:04:21 PM »
U.S. official: Russian missiles crossed into Poland, killing 2

Russia just stepped on their own dicks.  This looks, pretty clearly, to be unintentional, but two people still died and you can't hit a NATO country with missiles and expect there not to be consequences.

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From the article:
Polish government spokesman Piotr Mueller did not immediately confirm the information, but said top leaders were holding an emergency meeting due to a “crisis situation.”

Polish media reported that two people died Tuesday afternoon after a projectile struck an area where grain was drying in Przewodów, a Polish village near the border with Ukraine.


Looks like nobody knows yet what happened, let alone Russian-Missile.

Should it be true, it might have been a mishap, im sure RU didn't intend to strike at poland. We'll see.
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Re: Ukrainian Missiles Hit Poland
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2022, 02:46:02 PM »
Are NATO countries now allowed to shoot missiles at Russia? I'm sure NATO has missiles that could hit St. Pete and downtown Moscow when fired from NATO countries.

I wonder what Putin would do if a few hundred missiles were directed at Moscow? Probably run and hide and close the door behind him.
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Re: Ukrainian Missiles Hit Poland
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2022, 03:18:56 PM »
Not exactly what's the big fcking deal if it was intended. This is exactly what the US had been priming and hoping for, an all-out nuke fest. I hope NATO stands true to its silly A5, and nuke Russia, and let them retaliate.

May this war escalate to include all of us. Spare no one.

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Re: Ukrainian Missiles Hit Poland
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2022, 03:22:03 PM »
Are NATO countries now allowed to shoot missiles at Russia? I'm sure NATO has missiles that could hit St. Pete and downtown Moscow when fired from NATO countries.

I wonder what Putin would do if a few hundred missiles were directed at Moscow? Probably run and hide and close the door behind him.

No that would not be good. He is doing this because he is losing and wants to complain he is being attacked by Nato. It gives him a reason to escalate the war.
3) There has been no "threat" to invade Ukraine. The US invented that and fed it to a complicit media.

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Re: Ukrainian Missiles Hit Poland
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2022, 03:28:02 PM »
Looks like nobody knows yet what happened, let alone Russian-Missile.

Initial reports are cautious, for good reason, but remind me, who is shooting missiles around the neighborhood?  When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras (unless you happen to be in Africa).

Should it be true, it might have been a mishap, im sure RU didn't intend to strike at poland. We'll see.

I am sure that will be of great comfort to the families of the deceased that Russia didn't *intend* to kill them. /sarcasm

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Re: Ukrainian Missiles Hit Poland
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2022, 03:55:44 PM »
Are NATO countries now allowed to shoot missiles at Russia? I'm sure NATO has missiles that could hit St. Pete and downtown Moscow when fired from NATO countries.

I wonder what Putin would do if a few hundred missiles were directed at Moscow? Probably run and hide and close the door behind him.

No that would not be good. He is doing this because he is losing and wants to complain he is being attacked by Nato. It gives him a reason to escalate the war.

If Putin deliberately shelled Poland to see what NATO would do, does NATO just allow Putin to indiscriminately strike NATO countries killing people without a response?

If NATO does nothing this time around and there's another incident of Russian missiles striking a NATO country and killing people do we just again do nothing? How many strikes on a NATO country does Putin get before NATO responds?
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Re: Ukrainian Missiles Hit Poland
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2022, 05:55:16 PM »
U.S. official: Russian missiles crossed into Poland, killing 2

Russia just stepped on their own dicks.  This looks, pretty clearly, to be unintentional, but two people still died and you can't hit a NATO country with missiles and expect there not to be consequences.

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Re: Ukrainian Missiles Hit Poland
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2022, 07:14:09 PM »
U.S. official: Russian missiles crossed into Poland, killing 2

Russia just stepped on their own dicks.  This looks, pretty clearly, to be unintentional, but two people still died and you can't hit a NATO country with missiles and expect there not to be consequences.

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The forum apologists will say it never happened.
The local Azov Nat-see's did it

Right now Manny and one or more of the other Putin sycophants on RUA are working up a scenario where the CIA perhaps in conjunction with other spooks from Europe fired the missile(s) from some place in western Ukraine?

After all the Russian military is always leaving functioning military equipment in Ukraine when they retreat so how hard would it be for the CIA to get some functioning Russian missiles?
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Re: Ukrainian Missiles Hit Poland
« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2022, 08:26:18 PM »
Right now Manny and one or more of the other Putin sycophants on RUA are working up a scenario where the CIA perhaps in conjunction with other spooks from Europe fired the missile(s) from some place in western Ukraine?

After all the Russian military is always leaving functioning military equipment in Ukraine when they retreat so how hard would it be for the CIA to get some functioning Russian missiles?

Right now some Russian is thinking up a scenario where
Ukraine did it to get the West to intercede and that will be
the official story. Manny will totally buy into the story hook
line and sinker.

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Re: Ukrainian Missiles Hit Poland
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2022, 08:34:45 PM »
Right now some Russian is thinking up a scenario where
Ukraine did it to get the West to intercede and that will be
the official story.

Clearly the Polish farmers launched missiles at *themselves* to unfairly frame innocent Russia...

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Re: Ukrainian Missiles Hit Poland
« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2022, 10:55:51 PM »
While i'm .staunchly  pro.ukraine,
Its entirely.plausable its:
Ia ukrainian AA misdle that missed its target  and did not detonate as it should at that moment.snd carried on.
Thats its a russian missle knocked off course by a ukrainian missile.

Or since their are reports of two strikes, both.

 Granted this doesnt change the culpability of Russia,as they were the ones launching a massive missle  attack today.

But its very doubtful to.me that russia would intentionally give nato any excuse to unleash the pitbull polish.

When they just had another.withdrawel.

I also truly doubt the russian version that this was a false flag by ukraine ,the usa, or poland

Im.sure the intended target was a ukrainian powerplant or switching station.

Because getting their ass handed to them  hurt their feelings and they need to make ukrainian citizens pay.
All while still staunchly insisting that the west not give ukraine any means to play tit for tat with russuan troop concentrations or power stations in russia.

Russia losing to a one armed man, but claims if they build up enough they can beat him.
Well yeah,i do imagine thats possible.
Golf clap i guess.


It's sad when russia has the biggest target in europe, and misses.



RIP peace polish farm workers.



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Re: Ukrainian Missiles Hit Poland
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2022, 10:57:21 PM »
U.S. official: Russian missiles crossed into Poland, killing 2

Russia just stepped on their own dicks.  This looks, pretty clearly, to be unintentional, but two people still died and you can't hit a NATO country with missiles and expect there not to be consequences.

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From the article:
Polish government spokesman Piotr Mueller did not immediately confirm the information, but said top leaders were holding an emergency meeting due to a “crisis situation.”

Polish media reported that two people died Tuesday afternoon after a projectile struck an area where grain was drying in Przewodów, a Polish village near the border with Ukraine.
Looks like nobody knows yet what happened, let alone Russian-Missile.
Should it be true, it might have been a mishap, im sure RU didn't intend to strike at poland. We'll see.
Looks like nobody knows yet what happened, let alone Russian-Missile.

"Correction"   

Unlikely that Poland missile fired from Russia - Biden


Looks that the CIA has informed all its trolls in the media......
that was a Russian build rocket, which was knocked off course, by a Ukrainian missile.
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Re: Ukrainian Missiles Hit Poland
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2022, 11:58:42 PM »
Here's Ryan McBeth's take on the Russian missile strike in Poland.

I believe the attack on Prezwodow, Poland was actually intended for cross-border transmission power line located at  50°24'38.93"N  24° 1'0.11"E.
A cruise missile simply followed the power lines up into Ukraine and kept going after it missed its target.

I do not believe an S300 missile was involved in the event because the missile would be going the wrong way.  Surface to Air missiles expend all of their energy in the first few seconds of flight and do not have the ability to execute a U-turn.

It is possible, however that a cruise missile may have been shot down if coming from Belarus, although that would mean the intercept was performed over Poland.  Naturally, that would mean that Russia is using Poland as a corridor for missiles, which would be a bad idea.


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Re: Ukrainian Missiles Hit Poland
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2022, 12:45:41 AM »
Looks like nobody knows yet what happened, let alone Russian-Missile.

Initial reports are cautious, for good reason, but remind me, who is shooting missiles around the neighborhood?  When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras (unless you happen to be in Africa).
Biden thinks it was a Ukrainian missile, not Russian. Why are your newspapers trying to sell it as a Russian missile, when even your commander-in-chief thinks its not.

I am sure that will be of great comfort to the families of the deceased that Russia didn't *intend* to kill them. /sarcasm

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Re: Ukrainian Missiles Hit Poland
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2022, 06:15:46 AM »
Amusing to see all the Russophobes here salivating thinking Russia would bomb a grain store in Poland.

It turns out it was a Ukrainian anti aircraft missile that missed its target and landed in Poland. Most agree a 5V55 series missile of the S300 according to the fragments.

That is why the Polish PM and Biden are backpedalling as fast as they can. Westy, BB et al are welcome to do the same here. I've corrected the title for y'all.  :coffeeread:
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Re: Ukrainian Missiles Hit Poland
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2022, 08:58:01 AM »

Biden thinks it was a Ukrainian missile, not Russian. Why are your newspapers trying to sell it as a Russian missile, when even your commander-in-chief thinks its not.

All the reports I have read mention "Russian made".


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« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2022, 09:59:56 AM »
No back peddle needed Manny.

My initial.thought was it was either knocked off course or a ukrainian s300 air defence missle,which would only be launched to intercept an incoming russian missle(or aircraft).
One most likely headed at a power plant or switch station.

What part of a  Russian missle launch  not  directly responcible for the polish deaths are you not clear on?


 

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« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2022, 10:02:26 AM »
This seems interesting ?
 I havnt looked at the coordinates, but that wpuld make sense if a russian missle had the wrong coordinates and a s300 ukrainian defense missle attempted to intercept itila_rendered.

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Re: Ukrainian Missiles Hit Poland
« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2022, 10:49:58 AM »
Amusing to see all the Russophobes here salivating thinking
Russia would bomb a grain store in Poland.

Amusing to see the Russapologist thinking that Russia
is/was innocent. They bombarded Western Ukraine with
missiles and are not innocent if a missile defense system
missile misses one of their incoming missiles and strikes
something else.

If an armed bank robber gets shot at by a security guard
and the guard misses and kills a teller, the death gets
charged to the armed bank robber.

Basically Russia is an armed robber
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Re: Ukrainian Missiles Hit Poland
« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2022, 10:51:04 AM »
All the reports I have read mention "Russian made".

The S300 is a Russian made system.
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Re: Ukrainian Missiles Hit Poland
« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2022, 10:53:04 AM »
Biden thinks it was a Ukrainian missile, not Russian. Why are your newspapers trying to sell it as a Russian missile, when even your commander-in-chief thinks its not.

The S300 IS A Russian missile system
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Re: Ukrainian Missiles Hit Poland
« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2022, 11:18:31 AM »

Biden thinks it was a Ukrainian missile, not Russian. Why are your newspapers trying to sell it as a Russian missile, when even your commander-in-chief thinks its not.


a newspaper?, that is so 90s.   
somebody is saying that Biden is thinking something ???  might be better to be more consistent on your opinion of Biden's mental capacity or truthfulness.  if you are using Biden's statements as your source...well, just stop.

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Re: Ukrainian Missiles Hit Poland
« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2022, 11:18:53 AM »
Amusing to see all the Russophobes here salivating thinking Russia would bomb a grain store in Poland.

It turns out it was a Ukrainian anti aircraft missile that missed its target and landed in Poland. Most agree a 5V55 series missile of the S300 according to the fragments.

That is why the Polish PM and Biden are backpedalling as fast as they can. Westy, BB et al are welcome to do the same here. I've corrected the title for y'all.  :coffeeread:

LMAO! The handwriting is all over this proverbial silly wall. But really does gives one a clear perspectives how gullible the public really is.

Classic US M.O. Label an entity 'evil' and any action exercised to rid of this 'evil-of-the-month' is justifiable to the general public. Even war crimes that we (the US) habitually commit many times over that accuses others of doing from No Gun Ri to My Lai to Serbia to Libya and all points beyond in each decades.

*Russian-missiles* Funny.

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Re: Ukrainian Missiles Hit Poland
« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2022, 12:00:35 PM »
Bodine,
As much as i can try ho  relate to your point of usa meddling etc.

Nothing about a ukrainian air defense missle launched at an incoming russian cruise missle  negates russian launching the missle caused the deaths of polish farmers.


Sure you could  stretch that waybout there to *if usa dint meddke, * but any rational.person recignizes a direct missle launch from russia ,or belarus(more likely)  and any attempt to intercept it is the direct cause.
Even of your opinion is russia has the right to launch missles at ukraine.

We could stretch that if* the  colonies had let the bloody english empire carry on as is,none of this would have happened also.

Manny was intentionally disingenoius, and it can easily be said:

 ****Amusing to see all the Putinapologists here salivating thinking ukraine would bomb a grain store in Poland***

Just as idiotic.

  Since i consider you one of the sharper more balanced members here.

What do you ,all.politics aside,
think of the logistics i posted?

Odd? Given the number of attacks that day?
Would seem plausible one cordinant  field wasnt changed?

Kiev 50.4501°N  30.5234°E
 (yes odd its globus mall on krashatyk,downtown)

Lvov  49.8397°N  24.0297°E
(odd its miskevycha square,downtown)

Location of strike in poland
         50.4501°N  24.0297°E