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A Bridge Too Far. Time for Zelensky to Flee?
« on: October 10, 2022, 06:37:35 AM »
Following the terrorist attack on the Crimea Bridge by Ukrainian Special Services, Russia has this morning responded by bombing specific targets in Kiev. One being a glass bridge (some of you may be familiar with) - eye for an eye and all that. Other targets include the Special Services building and various communications and power installations all over the country.

Putin said they will respond quid pro quo to attacks on Russia, Medvedev says its time for 'political change' in Ukraine, Lukashenko said Russian troops can be stationed in Belarus and Russia is holding a cabinet meeting this afternoon to decide how to continue.

Meanwhile, the EU and US embassy staff are being evacuated and Zelensky is doing selfies as usual.

I think the time might be right for Zelensky to flee to his mansion in FL or the $8m one he bought in Israel and plan his new career as a US chat show host and after dinner speaker.

It looks to me Russia may have decided its time to cut the head off the snake and remove him.

What do you folks think?
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Re: A Bridge Too Far. Time for Zelensky to Flee?
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2022, 08:30:39 AM »
I think Zelensky can stay and take more selfies. If thats healthy, time will tell.

The problem is that the real people in power of Ukraine will not change.
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Re: A Bridge Too Far. Time for Zelensky to Flee?
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2022, 09:37:28 AM »
According to reports Russia tried a number of times to kill Zelensky at the beginning of the war but  repeatedly failed. Reports say Putin even went to far as to bring in the Wagner group to do the killing only to be met with another failure.

I wonder if the Americans have told the Ukrainian military that Putin is off limits for killing? Even if the Ukrainians have been told not to kill Putin would they do it given the chance? I tend to think they would kill Putin given the opportunity. 

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-orders-mercenaries-assassinate-ukraine-president-report-2022-2
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Re: A Bridge Too Far. Time for Zelensky to Flee?
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2022, 09:49:35 AM »
'Reports' say many things, you just reported something. However the credibility of your reports are very, very low. Many 'reports' made by people with a vested interest in untruth or who have a severe lack of knowledge are made. Some of us can recognise fictions and fabrications, some people can not!

Politically it would make very little sense to do as your 'reports' suggest. I will leave it to you to undergo some self directed learning to help you understand why such a course of action would have been most unlikely.
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Re: A Bridge Too Far. Time for Zelensky to Flee?
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2022, 09:51:10 AM »
I suspect that those who have been power posting about the Russian retreat and the Ukrainian victories, and believing that Ukraine can still win, are receiving a dose of reality today. Russia is indeed invading Ukraine and many innocent people have died but I've said all along that the weapons unleashed upon Ukraine have so far been fairly targeted and surgical, as far as war goes. This could be about to change.

The bridge along with the constant flow of western weapons and many dead Russian troops, could well see this war being moved up a gear. Zelensky has no idea and seems to think he's going to win. I rate Zelensky alongside Trudeau when it comes to competence and I fear for Ukraine.

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Re: A Bridge Too Far. Time for Zelensky to Flee?
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2022, 09:57:22 AM »
According to reports Russia tried a number of times to kill Zelensky at the beginning of the war but  repeatedly failed. Reports say Putin even went to far as to bring in the Wagner group to do the killing only to be met with another failure.

I wonder if the Americans have told the Ukrainian military that Putin is off limits for killing? Even if the Ukrainians have been told not to kill Putin would they do it given the chance? I tend to think they would kill Putin given the opportunity. 

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-orders-mercenaries-assassinate-ukraine-president-report-2022-2

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Re: A Bridge Too Far. Time for Zelensky to Flee?
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2022, 10:24:53 AM »
'Reports' say many things, you just reported something. However the credibility of your reports are very, very low. Many 'reports' made by people with a vested interest in untruth or who have a severe lack of knowledge are made. Some of us can recognise fictions and fabrications, some people can not!

Politically it would make very little sense to do as your 'reports' suggest. I will leave it to you to undergo some self directed learning to help you understand why such a course of action would have been most unlikely.

Andy what am I going to learn from someone like you who's probably posting this while on a break from dumping baskets of french fries?

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Re: A Bridge Too Far. Time for Zelensky to Flee?
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2022, 10:52:17 AM »
I suspect that those who have been power posting about the Russian retreat and the Ukrainian victories, and believing that Ukraine can still win, are receiving a dose of reality today. Russia is indeed invading Ukraine and many innocent people have died but I've said all along that the weapons unleashed upon Ukraine have so far been fairly targeted and surgical, as far as war goes. This could be about to change.

The bridge along with the constant flow of western weapons and many dead Russian troops, could well see this war being moved up a gear. Zelensky has no idea and seems to think he's going to win. I rate Zelensky alongside Trudeau when it comes to competence and I fear for Ukraine.

Yes, it isn't fair but welcome to life.

Rosco's posting while in a haze from his 8 or 10 pints of beer from his pre dinner drinks.

Let's be clear if Ukraine wins against Russia it'll be due to all the weapons, training and information given to Ukraine by the US and other European countries. Rosco haven't you ever wondered why so many countries are giving Ukraine weapons to use against Russia? Many of these countries  were once part of Russia or were members of the Warsaw Pact. I've provided a link to what the Warsaw Pact was, I doubt very much you know what it was.

These countries more than any other countries know how corrupt and authoritarian Russia is. They know that if Russia is given parts of Ukraine in a peace deal Russia will not stop until it gets all of Ukraine then Russia will move on to other countries.

Rosco short of nukes how is Putin going to increase the pressure on Ukraine? Is Putin going to send in a 6 or 8 divisions of elite Russian soldiers he's been keeping in reserve? As we're now seeing with Putin's attempt to conscript more Russians into the military Russia doesn't have any more to give in the way of weapons to its soldiers. The civilians that are now being conscripted are being given rifles from pre WW2. Putin can't supply his new soldiers with the most basic of all weapons a modern 21st century military rifle.

There's not going to be 300K new well armed Russian soldiers surging into Ukraine. Maybe tens of thousands more Russians will be enlisted but they'll be poorly armed and end up being cannon fodder for the Russian military against the Ukraine military. Spare some of your sympathy for these poor Russian *snip*s who'll be victims of Putin's stupidity.

If you're rating Zelensky alongside Trudeau when it comes to competence you've vastly over rated Trudeau. Trudeau is an idiot. Unfortunately for Canada he keeps getting reelected. 

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Re: A Bridge Too Far. Time for Zelensky to Flee?
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2022, 11:07:57 AM »
Andy what am I going to learn from someone like you who's probably posting this while on a break from dumping baskets of french fries?

To be fair, WestCoast, Andrew, like others here, including myself, is biased.  Over the years of reading his posts, I have found his thinking quite sound, along with the ability to accept opposing outcomes when good substantiation is provided.  At this point, none of us know what the outcome of this war will be.

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Re: A Bridge Too Far. Time for Zelensky to Flee?
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2022, 11:26:24 AM »
Ukraine's Dictator now in full petrified panic calls for a "preemptive kick" er ah um that was the mistranslation backpedal...  He called for Preemptive Strikes (Conventional and or Nuclear?) by "NATO" {read the USA} on Russian Nuclear facilities to prevent Putin from ordering nuclear attacks on Ukraine.

This of course ignores the fact that the Russian Belgorod doomsday gigantic submarine is now on-station somewhere in Europe with AI 10,000 Kilometer range 80 foot long Poseidon Drone 100 Megaton Tsunami Nukes that can be stealth deployed across NATO Europe and the East Coast of the USA wiping out major cities with a 500-meter Nuclear Tsunamis directed against the NATO allies who have been actively fighting Russians with Weapons, Training, Support,  logistics, and Satellite Intel.  Furthermore, the Belgord carries a full complement of ballistic missiles and anti-ship defensive torpedoes - it's the Swiss Army knife of Huge Nuke Boats.  Add to that the trainloads of new Russian T-80 Tanks, Iskander Tactical Nuke Missile launchers, and enough warheads in supply trucks to end the War in Ukraine Hiroshima and Nagasaki style in a couple of days.  Clearly, Zelenski knows this is not good for him and his multi-billions of $$$ Dollars No Accountability Grift - No Wonder Zelenski called for a pre-emptive NATO World War Three Strike on Russia.

Curious where the phook is Hunter "Bagman" Biden during this cash-and-carry bonanza?

https://rumble.com/v1n5led-zelensky-begs-nato-for-nuclear-war.html


https://www.euronews.com/next/2022/09/29/what-are-tactical-nuclear-weapons-and-could-russia-use-them-in-ukraine

 This undated photo provided by the Russian Defense Ministry shows an Iskander-K missile launched during a military exercise at a training ground near St. Petersburg [500KM Range] Russian Defense Ministry Press Service via AP

Nowadays, Russia has the world’s largest nuclear arsenal with around 6,257 nuclear warheads, while the United States admits to having 5,550, according to a January fact sheet by the Arms Control Association.

Of these, the so-called "strategic" weapons - those with the largest yield - are deployed on submarines, bombers and intercontinental ballistic missiles.

"Strategic nuclear weapons are the big city busters," said Tannenwald, who authored a book on nuclear deterrence.

"These are unbelievably destructive weapons. If we got into a nuclear war with strategic weapons, that would be essentially the end of civilization in both countries".

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Smaller tactical nuclear weapons:
But some 2,000 of Russia’s nuclear warheads are short-range, so-called “tactical” nuclear weapons kept in storage facilities throughout the country.

These are much smaller nuclear weapons, designed to be used on the battlefield against troop formations, tanks, or military installations and bunkers.

These can be launched on the same short-range missiles Russia is currently using to bombard Ukraine, such as its Iskander-M ballistic missile, which has a range of about 500 km.

"The argument was: If you have these smaller, less destructive nuclear weapons, the threat to use them would be more credible because they're less damaging and therefore deterrence would be stronger".

He argues that the main goal of tactical nuclear weapons remains a strategic one: to terrorize the enemy and gain the upper hand in a conflict.

"This whole notion of mini-nukes or limited strikes is just a way of finding a mission for those weapons and somehow justify their existence," Podvig told Euronews Next.

"Their main mission is not attacking military targets. The main mission of these weapons is to demonstrate your willingness and readiness to attack and kill a lot, a lot of civilians".  (Iskander Ballistic "Tactical" Missiles
have a 500KM range enough to wipe out any core city center or military depot in Ukraine with a small 50 Kiloton tac-nuke - still 3 times larger than Hiroshima. 

Bottomline Putin no longer phooking around now that it is clear he is in an existential WWIII War with NATO and is likely to deploy these weapons with a few tactical conventional warheads hitting key command and control targets with an offer to negotiate on Russia's terms before he lays waste to Ukraine.

This was never going to end well for the Pro Tranny-Faggeristas in the NATO Military who spent the last 2 decades implementing Social Justice Warrior Wokeism in the West versus Russia who spent the past 20 Years Building up its advanced Nuclear Triad (Air, Sea and Land Based) tactical and strategic Nukes.

Looks like the Neocons warmongers were not careful about what they wished for by rebuffing Russian offers to Negotiate in April and May 2022. 

Reminds me of the Bronx Tale Movie where the Biker Gang descends on Chaz Palminteri's American Mafia bar and he allows them to have a drink and leave, they became abusive then Chaz went to the front door, locked it, and said Now You CAN'T Leave! while 100 guys from the neighborhood came in the back door with baseball bats and gave the Bikers a severe attitude correction.

It is too bad that prodded on by NATO (UK and USA) Zelenski the accomplished comic actor played the role of a tough guy only too well without negotiating with the world's largest and most advanced Nuclear Armed Force.  Now we will see a major attitude correction by Russia against Ukraine AND NATO.

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Re: A Bridge Too Far. Time for Zelensky to Flee?
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Re: A Bridge Too Far. Time for Zelensky to Flee?
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2022, 11:53:53 AM »
Unlike Putin, this war is bigger than Zelensky.  He makes a good frontman, lovable spokesman, and motivator. He is not a military man but does have a very capable military staff and guidance.  Making him a martyr would likely not benefit RU in the long run. His wife could easily fill his shoes and would have wide popular support. I can't say the same about Putin, who ordered a very expensive, wasteful fireworks show to bolster his hurt ego and did nothing to change the situation at the front.  It will only help to speed up anti-aircraft and anti-missile deliveries to UA.  I wouldn't be at all surprised if Putin's retaliation plans and western reactions to such were part of the Kerch bombing equation.

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Re: A Bridge Too Far. Time for Zelensky to Flee?
« Reply #12 on: October 10, 2022, 01:38:02 PM »
Rosco's posting while in a haze from his 8 or 10 pints of beer from his pre dinner drinks.

You're still a bell end I see.

Rosco haven't you ever wondered why so many countries are giving Ukraine weapons to use against Russia?

Indeed. The US and its allies have been continuing the Cold War against Russia for decades, long after the fall of the Soviet Union. My generation has been brought up to assume Russia is a cold, poor and hostile state. Everything from US politicians to movies has told us that. A Cold War makes money and allows the West to keep Russia down, balancing global powers.

The same people pumping weapons into Ukraine are the same people who started it. The poor Ukrainians are doing the heavy lifting and that clown Zelensky has been instructed not to seek a peaceful resolution, at all costs. If and when he gets nailed, we'll see a quick end to the fighting.

Rosco short of nukes how is Putin going to increase the pressure on Ukraine......

You're a simple guy so I'll try to use simple words.

Russia will step up the missile strikes and target a wider range of infrastructure. Until now, most people have been wandering around their cities in Ukraine living out fairly normal lives. They've generally been spared an onslaught. This could change over night and everything from water, gas, electric, roads, communication, bridges and any legitimate targets that cause collateral damage, wont be spared.

I assumed you read the news today, or at least had your carer read it out? Sadly your home help will be unable to help you understand the bigger picture.




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Re: A Bridge Too Far. Time for Zelensky to Flee?
« Reply #13 on: October 10, 2022, 01:52:36 PM »
Unlike Putin, this war is bigger than Zelensky.  He makes a good frontman, lovable spokesman, and motivator. He is not a military man but does have a very capable military staff and guidance.  Making him a martyr would likely not benefit RU in the long run. His wife could easily fill his shoes and would have wide popular support. I can't say the same about Putin, who ordered a very expensive, wasteful fireworks show to bolster his hurt ego and did nothing to change the situation at the front.  It will only help to speed up anti-aircraft and anti-missile deliveries to UA.  I wouldn't be at all surprised if Putin's retaliation plans and western reactions to such were part of the Kerch bombing equation.

Respectfully, I'd disagree with most of that. It is your opinion of course.

Zelensky is a simple puppet and him being droned wont stop his handlers in the west, from making the same decisions. No doubt those wringing their hands at the prospect of a continued war would mould the comedian into some kind of martyr but I suspect his replacement might feel that enough people have died for the western cause. Especially if Russia ups the missile strikes on urban areas.

This should have been sorted out months ago but poor innocent people on both sides continue to die because of the idiots at the top.

Imagine if Ukraine and the West enforced the Minsk agreement and Ukraine didn't entertain invitations to become part of NATO. Imagine the political coup funded by the US hadn't happened and Russia hadn't been poked and prodded. Imagine the tens of thousands of Russian speakers in the Donbas hadn't been killed and injured........Europe would have had an additional 55 billion cubic meters of cheap reliable Russian gas and Germany wouldn't become de-industrialised.

Thousands wouldn't die from the cold, or fall into poverty. We could have had access to all these commodities in the vast Russian hinterland, food, oil, fertiliser etc but instead we support nazis in the most corrupt country in Europe (if in doubt read western media pre Feb 2022) and its US backed government who puts 2 fingers up against Russia.

But go on, lets pretend its something else because that'll make us feel better. 

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Re: A Bridge Too Far. Time for Zelensky to Flee?
« Reply #14 on: October 10, 2022, 03:06:06 PM »
Rosco's posting while in a haze from his 8 or 10 pints of beer from his pre dinner drinks.

You're still a bell end I see.

Rosco haven't you ever wondered why so many countries are giving Ukraine weapons to use against Russia?

Indeed. The US and its allies have been continuing the Cold War against Russia for decades, long after the fall of the Soviet Union. My generation has been brought up to assume Russia is a cold, poor and hostile state. Everything from US politicians to movies has told us that. A Cold War makes money and allows the West to keep Russia down, balancing global powers.

The same people pumping weapons into Ukraine are the same people who started it. The poor Ukrainians are doing the heavy lifting and that clown Zelensky has been instructed not to seek a peaceful resolution, at all costs. If and when he gets nailed, we'll see a quick end to the fighting.

Rosco short of nukes how is Putin going to increase the pressure on Ukraine......

You're a simple guy so I'll try to use simple words.

Russia will step up the missile strikes and target a wider range of infrastructure. Until now, most people have been wandering around their cities in Ukraine living out fairly normal lives. They've generally been spared an onslaught. This could change over night and everything from water, gas, electric, roads, communication, bridges and any legitimate targets that cause collateral damage, wont be spared.

I assumed you read the news today, or at least had your carer read it out? Sadly your home help will be unable to help you understand the bigger picture.

Rosco it'd take me decades to become as annoying as you.

Russia started the war with Ukraine for no other reason than Putin wants Ukraine in its orbit or as part of Russia. Polls have repeatedly shown Ukrainians will not trade territory for peace. 

Russia has tried to kill Zelensky in the past and failed. I wonder what would happen if Putin died? One of those accidents Russians seem to be having such as falling out a window?

With all the collateral damage that's already happened I think most Ukrainians are used to civilian areas being targeted by Russia. Wonder what Russians would do if Russian cities started feeling the same pain? Would there be pressure on Putin to sign a peace treaty that favored Ukraine?

https://www.euractiv.com/section/europe-s-east/opinion/ukrainians-will-not-accept-peace-at-the-cost-of-its-territories-and-people/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-new-poll-89-of-ukrainians-reject-ceding-land-to-reach-peace-with-russia-11656504002

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62750584
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Re: A Bridge Too Far. Time for Zelensky to Flee?
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2022, 03:22:06 PM »
Milla Jovovich ‘sick to my stomach’ after Russian strikes on Ukrainian cities. I had to look her up to see how famous an actress she is. Apparently she's quite well known. I just don't remember her from any movies I've seen.

https://ca.yahoo.com/movies/milla-jovovich-sick-stomach-russian-210818392.html

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Re: A Bridge Too Far. Time for Zelensky to Flee?
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2022, 03:42:41 PM »
Milla Jovovich ‘sick to my stomach’ after Russian strikes on Ukrainian cities. I had to look her up to see how famous an actress she is. Apparently she's quite well known. I just don't remember her from any movies I've seen.

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Re: A Bridge Too Far. Time for Zelensky to Flee?
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2022, 08:18:05 PM »
Following the terrorist attack on the Crimea Bridge by Ukrainian Special Services, Russia has this morning responded by bombing specific targets in Kiev. One being a glass bridge (some of you may be familiar with) - eye for an eye and all that. Other targets include the Special Services building and various communications and power installations all over the country.

Putin said they will respond quid pro quo to attacks on Russia, Medvedev says its time for 'political change' in Ukraine, Lukashenko said Russian troops can be stationed in Belarus and Russia is holding a cabinet meeting this afternoon to decide how to continue.

Meanwhile, the EU and US embassy staff are being evacuated and Zelensky is doing selfies as usual.

I think the time might be right for Zelensky to flee to his mansion in FL or the $8m one he bought in Israel and plan his new career as a US chat show host and after dinner speaker.

It looks to me Russia may have decided its time to cut the head off the snake and remove him.

What do you folks think?
I think your bias is so strong that you easily ignored  over 1,000 prior russian missle attacks, a large percentagee if which hit civilian areas or infrastucture, many other attempts that were shit down as well,
And you seemingly  think one bridge hit requires a responce to be tit for tat.

Care to comment on the opening salvo of this war? A sneak attack by russua,  The exact amount of missles that did not hit military targets?

I think the kerch bridge was lees than  fair trade for the initial 12 hours of this wars russian attacks across countlesss ukrainian cities,and that would not  be eqial until moscow and countless russian cities had similar unannounced attacks.

I'm.not promoting it,just pointing out what tit fot tat wpukd actually look like instead of your downplayed waterdowned  b.s.

In case youve forgotten, regardless politics or russias security fears,   russian opened the attacks, while not declaring war and denying they would invade for months.
As such they left themselves open to responce in kind  with having zero room to whine ir fairly retaliate.

They want to sucker punch someone ,then claim once they are punched back that they have to return blows to be even?

Mostly i think Putin put himself in a situation where he now knew this was coming, and that he had to retaliate in a way he has presented to his public as anythimg they can accept without him appearing weak.






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« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2022, 09:13:39 PM »
Following the terrorist attack on the Crimea Bridge by Ukrainian Special Services, Russia has this morning responded by bombing specific targets in Kiev. One being a glass bridge (some of you may be familiar with) - eye for an eye and all that. Other targets include the Special Services building and various communications and power installations all over the country.

Putin said they will respond quid pro quo to attacks on Russia, Medvedev says its time for 'political change' in Ukraine, Lukashenko said Russian troops can be stationed in Belarus and Russia is holding a cabinet meeting this afternoon to decide how to continue.

Meanwhile, the EU and US embassy staff are being evacuated and Zelensky is doing selfies as usual.

I think the time might be right for Zelensky to flee to his mansion in FL or the $8m one he bought in Israel and plan his new career as a US chat show host and after dinner speaker.

It looks to me Russia may have decided its time to cut the head off the snake and remove him.

What do you folks think?
I think your bias is so strong that you easily ignored  over 1,000 prior russian missle attacks, a large percentagee if which hit civilian areas or infrastucture, many other attempts that were shit down as well,
And you seemingly  think one bridge hit requires a responce to be tit for tat.

Care to comment on the opening salvo of this war? A sneak attack by russua,  The exact amount of missles that did not hit military targets?

I think the kerch bridge was lees than  fair trade for the initial 12 hours of this wars russian attacks across countlesss ukrainian cities,and that would not  be eqial until moscow and countless russian cities had similar unannounced attacks.

I'm.not promoting it,just pointing out what tit fot tat wpukd actually look like instead of your downplayed waterdowned  b.s.

In case youve forgotten, regardless politics or russias security fears,   russian opened the attacks, while not declaring war and denying they would invade for months.
As such they left themselves open to responce in kind  with having zero room to whine ir fairly retaliate.

They want to sucker punch someone ,then claim once they are punched back that they have to return blows to be even?

Mostly i think Putin put himself in a situation where he now knew this was coming, and that he had to retaliate in a way he has presented to his public as anythimg they can accept without him appearing weak.

careful AJ, you are popping the balloons of his narrative.  he has chosen his words to force a bias

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Re: A Bridge Too Far. Time for Zelensky to Flee?
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2022, 09:41:12 PM »
Following the terrorist attack on the Crimea Bridge by Ukrainian Special Services, Russia has this morning responded by bombing specific targets in Kiev. One being a glass bridge (some of you may be familiar with) - eye for an eye and all that. Other targets include the Special Services building and various communications and power installations all over the country.

Putin said they will respond quid pro quo to attacks on Russia, Medvedev says its time for 'political change' in Ukraine, Lukashenko said Russian troops can be stationed in Belarus and Russia is holding a cabinet meeting this afternoon to decide how to continue.

Meanwhile, the EU and US embassy staff are being evacuated and Zelensky is doing selfies as usual.

I think the time might be right for Zelensky to flee to his mansion in FL or the $8m one he bought in Israel and plan his new career as a US chat show host and after dinner speaker.

It looks to me Russia may have decided it's time to cut the head off the snake and remove him.


You need understand a few facts here. One it is unlikely the truck created the original blast which experts say likely from came under the bridge. Second a train of gasoline was conveniently park at just the right spot and sat there for hours before the attack. Third there is no way Ukraine did this as it was an inside job. The Ukraine wished they had done it, but they just do not have that much control to get a train park at the right spot, fasten explosives high under the most guarded bridge in the world then get a truck in the right spot whose driver did not know what was in the load to make it look like a truck bomb.

Now Russia spends over 500 million dollars on rockets to kill 11 civilians and knock the lights off in number of cities. Nobody is planning to give up the fight in Ukraine and the hope is Ukraine will one day really put an end to Kersh Bridge. This is seen in Ukraine as a desperate dictator losing in a war trying to please his far-right supporters who think he has been too soft on Ukraine this war. He needed this excuse to make it look like he was carrying out their wishes. In reality he is just wasting rockets killing civilians who will make no different in the outcome of the war.
3) There has been no "threat" to invade Ukraine. The US invented that and fed it to a complicit media.

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Re: A Bridge Too Far. Time for Zelensky to Flee?
« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2022, 11:34:31 PM »
Some speculation of how the Kerch Bridge was blown up without anyone in the blast zone being aware. This theory might be completely wrong. I certainly don't know.

Apparently some are theorizing that enough explosives could be placed on the undercarriage of a truck forcing the blast down. The resulting blast would be powerful enough to cause a train carrying fuel tanks to explode.

How something like this could be coordinated is difficult to understand. How could someone know the schedule of the truck and train and have them match so perfectly to set off an explosion large enough to do so much damage is difficult to understand.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/10/08/world/russia-crimea-kerch-bridge-explosion-ukraine/
andrewfi says ''Proximity is almost no guarantee of authority" and "in many cases, distance gives a better picture with less emotional and subjective input."

That means I'm a subject matter expert on all things Russia, Ukraine and UK.

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Re: A Bridge Too Far. Time for Zelensky to Flee?
« Reply #21 on: October 11, 2022, 02:17:43 AM »
Rosco it'd take me decades to become as annoying as you.

Annoyingly accurate?

Russia started the war with Ukraine for no other reason than Putin wants Ukraine in its orbit or as part of Russia. Polls have repeatedly shown Ukrainians will not trade territory for peace.

Several months in and you still don't understand reality. A very simplistic synopsis WC but I suppose its all you can deal with.

Russia has tried to kill Zelensky in the past and failed. I wonder what would happen if Putin died? One of those accidents Russians seem to be having such as falling out a window?

With all the collateral damage that's already happened I think most Ukrainians are used to civilian areas being targeted by Russia. Wonder what Russians would do if Russian cities started feeling the same pain? Would there be pressure on Putin to sign a peace treaty that favored Ukraine?

No doubt Russia has targeted the comedian from distance but clearly it's not their key priority. Breaking down infrastructure and securing the civil war torn areas in the east has been. If Putin was killed he'd be replaced by someone worse. Again, you still don't get it.

Look at the retaliatory strikes since the bridge incident and YOU consider what would happen if Russian cities were to be attacked by western weapons. The outcome is very clear for anyone with a functioning brain. Ask if you need help....



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Re: A Bridge Too Far. Time for Zelensky to Flee?
« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2022, 02:24:51 AM »
Now Russia spends over 500 million dollars on rockets to kill 11 civilians and knock the lights off in number of cities.

You still think that Russia is spending hundreds of millions of dollars to directly target innocent people and they only managed to kill 11.  :ROFL: You guys need to wisen up because its getting embarrassing.

The rockets were targeting more infrastructure to weaken Ukraine and the poor people are collateral damage. I know this goes against what you are being told by your 'news reports' but use that old grey matter for once in your life.

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Re: A Bridge Too Far. Time for Zelensky to Flee?
« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2022, 02:58:53 AM »
I support no government anywhere, ever, never. No institution, No religion!!

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Re: A Bridge Too Far. Time for Zelensky to Flee?
« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2022, 03:22:02 AM »
If Putin was killed he'd be replaced by someone worse.

and that is a guess!

Look at the retaliatory strikes since the bridge incident and YOU consider what would happen if Russian cities were to be attacked by western weapons. The outcome is very clear for anyone with a functioning brain. Ask if you need help....

what, exactly,  would happen, Roscoe?  just to be clear.

Now Russia spends over 500 million dollars on rockets to kill 11 civilians and knock the lights off in number of cities.

You still think that Russia is spending hundreds of millions of dollars to directly target innocent people and they only managed to kill 11.  :ROFL: You guys need to wisen up because its getting embarrassing.

The rockets were targeting more infrastructure to weaken Ukraine and the poor people are collateral damage. I know this goes against what you are being told by your 'news reports' but use that old grey matter for once in your life.

was that civilian infrastructure targeted, Roscoe, to weaken Ukraine?  and the 11 poor civilian people, just collateral?  I wonder which part is the ":ROFL:" to you


 

 

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