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European Gas supplies, Russian pipelines
« on: September 29, 2022, 03:20:48 AM »
This is a discussion on the topic about the gas pipelines, European storage for this winter, and the economic fall out for Europe and Russia. How and why Russia might want to blow up the pipelines.

Russia had not delivered any gas thru these pipelines in the whole month of September and the pipeline was closed in much of August also.


One of the really big problems is Germany got rid of its nuclear power plants and replaced them with Gas power plants. 
3) There has been no "threat" to invade Ukraine. The US invented that and fed it to a complicit media.

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Re: European Gas supplies, Russian pipelines
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2022, 05:04:13 AM »
This is a discussion on the topic about the gas pipelines, European storage for this winter, and the economic fall out for Europe and Russia. How and why Russia might want to blow up the pipelines.

Russia had not delivered any gas thru these pipelines in the whole month of September and the pipeline was closed in much of August also.

One of the really big problems is Germany got rid of its nuclear power plants and replaced them with Gas power plants.

Russia (earns money with pipeline) and Europe (dependant for much of its gas-needs) together did not want to blow up this pipeline. Many people will be literally freezing to death in the Karpatians and the alps without Russian gas.

You know who is rubbing their hands at this? America! They think they can sell LNG in the quantities that Europe needs although that is a pipe-dream, you'd need 100x the ships and LNG convertor stations you have now. Phyisical space to put all those stations is but one challange, as there are only so many sea-port-cities you can build them upon.

The speed of which it is needed is a second, plus many, many other problems. Given time and money those can all be solved but that won''t be before 2030.


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Re: European Gas supplies, Russian pipelines
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2022, 06:36:48 AM »
This is a discussion on the topic about the gas pipelines, European storage for this winter, and the economic fall out for Europe and Russia. How and why Russia might want to blow up the pipelines.

Russia had not delivered any gas thru these pipelines in the whole month of September and the pipeline was closed in much of August also.

One of the really big problems is Germany got rid of its nuclear power plants and replaced them with Gas power plants.

Russia (earns money with pipeline) and Europe (dependant for much of its gas-needs) together did not want to blow up this pipeline. Many people will be literally freezing to death in the Karpatians and the alps without Russian gas.

You know who is rubbing their hands at this? America! They think they can sell LNG in the quantities that Europe needs although that is a pipe-dream, you'd need 100x the ships and LNG convertor stations you have now. Phyisical space to put all those stations is but one challange, as there are only so many sea-port-cities you can build them upon.

The speed of which it is needed is a second, plus many, many other problems. Given time and money those can all be solved but that won''t be before 2030.

Russia was no longer earning anything from this pipeline. Not going to earn anything any time soon. How it was likely blown up is they sent a pig down it to the spot where it was blown up the then detonated it. Germany was planning to use the pipeline to make a ship floating LNG terminal out of it.
3) There has been no "threat" to invade Ukraine. The US invented that and fed it to a complicit media.


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Re: European Gas supplies, Russian pipelines
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2022, 10:51:42 AM »
Let's follow the money...

https://rumble.com/v1lxem6-putin-blamed-for-nord-stream-attacks-irreparable-damage.html

Putin in a Mini-Sub Did It...  and said German Intelligence Sources - "Both of the Nordstream pipelines will now be unusable forever" (Salt Water Corrosion on the insides of these lines)...

Wizzbanger did it so he could blame it on the USA and City of London and Jerusalem Juice.

This kid Jackson Stinkle bills himself as a Marxist Socialist Patriot...  Clearly, the efforts of the CCP Marxists over the past 50 years have far outpaced the old Soviets in their goal to paraphrase Khrushchev "Give us the Rope to Hang Ourselves".

This kid obviously has no uncles or Alpha males in his lineage that have served our sacred divine-inspired Constitution under oath or he would never use the words "Marxist Socialist" Patriot in describing himself because he would have learned that it is the Patriot's DUTY to eliminate the Marxist Socialist enemies of our US Constitution.

That said - showing my enormous tolerance for studying my Marxist enemy's plans, strategies, tactics, means, and methods...

Stinkle makes some interesting points...  who has the Deep Water diving and Explosives Experts that can safely and discreetly operate down 70+ meters from smaller UDT (Underwater Demolition Team) Submarines and attach magnetic UDT "Limpet" style mines and blow up both Nordstream Ein Und Zwei...

Hmmm,

Exxon Mobil - not likely why piss off Russian partners and European customers...

BP - Maybe - remember Deep Water Horizon in the Gulf of Mexico and hurts NeoNatZees 4th Reich and Rooskie Marxists and now forces Ukraine to deal with reality that Rooskies WILL PHOOKING USE NUKES if it looks like they might lose in Ukraine so taking over all of Ukraine and Crimea on behalf of the Ukraine Mafiya is a pipedream.

Saudis - Nope would piss off their new Arms suppliers the Russians.

MI6 - James Bond - need we say more...

French - They Imagine they still matter geopolitically - but they do have Nuke Subs and a large network of Nuclear Power Reactors - Eliminating Rooskie NatGaz pipelines eliminates a source of Electricity Generating Competition and forces the 4th Reich to become Macron's beatches sort of the reverse French whooores strategy of WWII.

UN - Nope can't even find their own Arses when sitting on a toilet seat.

Germans - they do have reliable Diesel Subs and highly competent Alpha Military Men - but they report up their chain of command to Marxist FemiNatzees TransPhags who all report to the New Fuhrer Klaus Schwab the SS Commanders Son.  The WEF wants the EU Economy to collapse and the people to freeze so they will Own Nothing, Eat Bugs and be happy.  Yes possibly the Germans to demoralize all of their people protesting and shouting Nord Stream, Nord Stream, Nord Stream ad nauseum.  Remember how Hitler Fire Bombed the Reichstag to usher in NatZee iron grip rule.

Rooskies - Nope they were getting ready to use Nord Stream cheap gaz as a major wedge negotiating issue to break NATO away from USA and Ukraine and it looked like it was about to be a winning strategy - NOT ANY LONGER!

CCP - Sure now the Russian's only options are to sell NatGaz to China and India at a steep discount so China can resell to the Freezing Europeans without the Euro Hypocrites seeming to violate EU sanctions and look like their new besties - about a half dozen ancient General Sun Tzu Chinese strategies at work here where China wins in both the short and long terms.

USA - not sure if bumbling stumbling Beijing Biden can find his own arse upon a toilet seat...  never the less mastermind a maneuver like this...  But if the USA did it it was a bloody brilliant move to eliminate Russian Competition, bolster the Green's Zero Carbon emissions agenda and make the Euros even more dependent upon North America and move more of their factories to the USA so they do not go bankrupt and have access to cheap USA energy for the next 500 years. 

However,  if we did do it - it would be a great way to make the Wizzbanger and all of the rest of the Euro Marxist Anarchist's HEAD'S PHOOOKING EXPLODE and force Russia to launch their massive Nuke Tactical and Strategic Arsenals against Ukraine AND the USUAL SUSPECTS above - bringing about WEF Globalists goals of 90% population reduction from Nuclear Fallout and Starvation due to prolonged nuclear winter and a One World Government Globalist Reset with Chinese Social Credit levels of deep control over those still alive...

CCP China is the ultimate replacement population winner in all of this intrigue - teach your kids Mandarin and Cantonese.  Go Figure.



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Re: European Gas supplies, Russian pipelines
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2022, 11:16:28 AM »
What is missed here the USA's CIA had information the pipeline was going to be blown up and issues a warning to that nature.  Of course, I do not know the source of the info and what country they thought was going to blow up the pipeline. Russia had ships in the area but not over the pipeline and I do not know how close they were or the range of the underwater sub. As far as I understand we did not have any ships in that area. Why would we issue a warning if we were going to blow it up ourselves? The problem with the USA we cannot keep a secure for long. Someone would write a best seller book and make millions of dollars on how I blew up Nord Steam pipeline.
3) There has been no "threat" to invade Ukraine. The US invented that and fed it to a complicit media.

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Re: European Gas supplies, Russian pipelines
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2022, 01:07:44 PM »
Russia was no longer earning anything from this pipeline. Not going to earn anything any time soon. How it was likely blown up is they sent a pig down it to the spot where it was blown up the then detonated it. Germany was planning to use the pipeline to make a ship floating LNG terminal out of it.

Indeed, it had no value to them for now.  There may be a motive for sabotage. The onus for turning on and off was with RU.  They were already blaming slowdowns and cutoffs on maintenance etc to avoid being directly blamed for weaponizing energy.  Now that it's broken, it's broken and difficult to prove who dunnit.  It's also a veiled threat that other pipelines and gas assets might suffer the same fate...

A pig would not have worked since no gas was flowing anyway, so suspect some other method was used.  We'll know more when the bubbles stop rising.  I wouldn't be surprised if the bubbles stop or slow to a safer level, ships with divers go out to investigate and bubbles magically appear again from the eastern end to keep 'em away.

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Re: European Gas supplies, Russian pipelines
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2022, 10:21:59 AM »
In the real world, we all know the US blew it up.

Biden said they would.

Nuland said they would.

US ships and helicopters were at the scene the day before. More on that >>here<<.

MEPs were thanking the US on Twitter after the event.

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He's now deleted it.

A new Norway to Poland pipeline opened the very next day.

Why would Russia blow up their own pipelines when they could just turn them off? Use your brain people.

If Russian forces were operating in the area, there would be traces of that, pictures, flight data, etc. There isnt.

It was a terrorist act by the US. Nothing more, nothing less. Plain as the nose on your face.

Read a trip report from North Korea >>here<< - Read a trip report from South Korea, China and Hong Kong >>here<<

Look what the American media makes some people believe:
Putin often threatens to strike US with nuclear weapons.

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Re: European Gas supplies, Russian pipelines
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2022, 10:49:33 AM »
In the real world, we all know the US blew it up.

Biden said they would.

Nuland said they would.

US ships and helicopters were at the scene the day before. More on that >>here<<.

MEPs were thanking the US on Twitter after the event.

(Attachment Link)

He's now deleted it.

A new Norway to Poland pipeline opened the very next day.

Why would Russia blow up their own pipelines when they could just turn them off? Use your brain people.

If Russian forces were operating in the area, there would be traces of that, pictures, flight data, etc. There isnt.

It was a terrorist act by the US. Nothing more, nothing less. Plain as the nose on your face.

Don't know who blew up the pipeline however there are reasons why Russia would do it. Putin might have done it as an example to the west that it's his way or no way. Another reason could be that Putin is telling Europe that Europe will never see Russian gas again. Even if there's a treaty the pipeline can be rebuilt so blowing it up does not mean Europe will never see more Russian gas.

The pipeline could have been blown up by a sub. Ships and planes could turn off their tracking equipment.

I've also read that if Russia did it they could have done it by sending some type of explosive down the pipeline and blown it up at the desired location.
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Re: European Gas supplies, Russian pipelines
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2022, 10:53:07 AM »
I'm sure all your implausible theories will be the subject of many articles on Yahoo:coffeeread:

As I said, plain as the nose on your face. The US president even said so, I linked the video.
Read a trip report from North Korea >>here<< - Read a trip report from South Korea, China and Hong Kong >>here<<

Look what the American media makes some people believe:
Putin often threatens to strike US with nuclear weapons.

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Re: European Gas supplies, Russian pipelines
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2022, 11:08:58 AM »
I'm sure all your implausible theories will be the subject of many articles on Yahoo:coffeeread:

As I said, plain as the nose on your face. The US president even said so, I linked the video.

I'm sure the Russian media is now making up a story on how the CIA blow up the pipeline from their offices in the USA.
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Re: European Gas supplies, Russian pipelines
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2022, 11:32:57 AM »

Why would Russia blow up their own pipelines when they could just turn them off? Use your brain people.


They were already turned off.  I posted a couple of plausible motives right above your post.

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Re: European Gas supplies, Russian pipelines
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2022, 12:19:00 PM »
In the real world, we all know the US blew it up.

Biden said they would.

Nuland said they would.

US ships and helicopters were at the scene the day before. More on that >>here<<.

MEPs were thanking the US on Twitter after the event.

(Attachment Link)

He's now deleted it.

A new Norway to Poland pipeline opened the very next day.

Why would Russia blow up their own pipelines when they could just turn them off? Use your brain people.

If Russian forces were operating in the area, there would be traces of that, pictures, flight data, etc. There isnt.

It was a terrorist act by the US. Nothing more, nothing less. Plain as the nose on your face.

Back to factual reality, the London Crown and City of London Crown controlled entities who own the US Federal Reserve owning regional banks (12 Fed Regions) and therefore the Crown now King Charles the III, a Saint Greta worshipping GREENIAC devoted to Zero Carbon cultism clearly ordered his USA subjects (Debt Slaves) to eliminate Nord Streams Ein und Zwei to save the Blighty Isles from melting Greenland Ice Caps inundation.  So was it an SAS or UDT or (UKRN + USN) combined special environmental operation?   
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Re: European Gas supplies, Russian pipelines
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2022, 12:28:24 PM »


Also wonder how long the Russian Submarine Navy will allow the Norway to Poland pipeline to operate before the Rooskies retaliate.

Russians are highly intelligent, relentless, tough as steel and ruthless as Genghis Kahn and Stalin combined.

Going to be a long cold winter on the European Mainland.

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Re: European Gas supplies, Russian pipelines
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2022, 02:39:21 PM »

Why would Russia blow up their own pipelines when they could just turn them off? Use your brain people.


They were already turned off.  I posted a couple of plausible motives right above your post.

The USA also has some very plausible even downright logical motives. Russia's motives might be plausible to you, they're sketchy at best to me. As to sliding down some explosives on a closed but highly-pressurised gaspipe :  :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

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Re: European Gas supplies, Russian pipelines
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2022, 02:45:18 PM »
Don't know who blew up the pipeline however there are reasons why Russia would do it. Putin might have done it as an example to the west that it's his way or no way.
Blowing them up does not accomplish that, closing them off on his side as has been done does.
Blowing them up means: no way.

Another reason could be that Putin is telling Europe that Europe will never see Russian gas again. Even if there's a treaty the pipeline can be rebuilt so blowing it up does not mean Europe will never see more Russian gas.
A multi-year process, laying down a new pipeline is no short-project. And if the damage is too extensive or too long with salty water in it, it will be un-repairable.

The pipeline could have been blown up by a sub. Ships and planes could turn off their tracking equipment.
These aren't open seas man, they're amongst the busiest waterways in Europe. If you turn off your tracking here, you're heading for collisions with other boats and/or planes. Plus planes without tracking get very quick company from fighter-jets given the current tensions between Russia and Europe.


I've also read that if Russia did it they could have done it by sending some type of explosive down the pipeline and blown it up at the desired location.
:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: yeah, you're grasping at straws now. Even closed, the airpressure (or should i say gas-pressure) on this pipe remains very high (as witnessed by the huge cloud of gas escaping after the fact)
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Re: European Gas supplies, Russian pipelines
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2022, 07:37:51 PM »
I'm sure all your implausible theories will be the subject of many articles on Yahoo:coffeeread:

As I said, plain as the nose on your face. The US president even said so, I linked the video.

I'm sure the Russian media is now making up a story on how the CIA blow up the pipeline from their offices in the USA.

Yea when anything goes wrong in the world blame the CIA.

This could be another Russian false flag operation. Why would the west want to do this? This would escalate the war in a way that would not benefit the west. WE have a lot more infrastructure that we are dependent on than Russia does. The possibility is he blows up some western pipeline and says the west started all of this blowing up pipelines. That would create a real problem in Europe. Putin is becoming unhinged and is extremely dangerous. As Manny had said something like this, Putin will do anything to win. He is losing so what does anything mean?  He is losing support from both India and China. When the body bags start showing up in Russia in large quantities and no one respects his new borders of Russia then what? Pipelines, nuclear or what?
3) There has been no "threat" to invade Ukraine. The US invented that and fed it to a complicit media.

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« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2022, 07:54:42 PM »
yeah, you're grasping at straws now. Even closed, the airpressure (or should i say gas-pressure) on this pipe remains very high (as witnessed by the huge cloud of gas escaping after the fact)

They have a lock and can put stuff in the pipeline when it is up to full pressure. They often run a pig down the pipeline but could put anything else in it as long as it is small enough to fit. We will know this soon because when they get there we can see if the pipeline was blown up from the inside or from the outside. I think it was not done this way because that would be proof Russia did it. I doubt Russia would give us such clear proof they did it. This way Russian supporters will always be able to say any proof the west finds is fake.
3) There has been no "threat" to invade Ukraine. The US invented that and fed it to a complicit media.

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« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2022, 04:25:16 AM »

Yea when anything goes wrong in the world blame the CIA.

It's the easiest straw to grasp. A self-destructing fallacy supported by only one fact; that it can't be disproven.  Some still believe the Earth is flat and strap themselves into steam rockets to try and prove it despite all the evidence to the contrary. Some idiot died not long ago when they tried this stunt.

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This could be another Russian false flag operation. Why would the west want to do this? This would escalate the war in a way that would not benefit the west. WE have a lot more infrastructure that we are dependent on than Russia does. The possibility is he blows up some western pipeline and says the west started all of this blowing up pipelines. That would create a real problem in Europe. Putin is becoming unhinged and is extremely dangerous. As Manny had said something like this, Putin will do anything to win. He is losing so what does anything mean?  He is losing support from both India and China. When the body bags start showing up in Russia in large quantities and no one respects his new borders of Russia then what? Pipelines, nuclear or what?

Both sides have labeled this event a terrorist act, and they are right.  The motive of any terrorist is to instill fear.  My opinion is that Putin has the greatest motive to show the West that their pipelines are vulnerable to such attacks.  Russia always denied reducing and finally turning off gas flows was done for political purposes.  With both these pipelines now out of action and placing blame on the west, no more excuses are needed with only a big elephant in the room that can be blamed.  I'll wait to see if any evidence turns up.  Someone somewhere knows something.

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« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2022, 05:37:47 AM »
Another possible motive is the hundreds of millions of cubic meters of natural gas the pipelines contained.  It was under pressure, so theoretically, in a pinch, Germany could have opened the valves and used a lot of it.  Nordstream II alone had 300 million cubic meters inside.

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The pipeline, which was intended to double the volume of gas flowing from St. Petersburg under the Baltic Sea to Germany, had just been completed and filled with 300 million cubic metres of gas when Germany cancelled it days before the invasion.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/pressure-defunct-nord-stream-2-pipeline-plunged-overnight-operator-2022-09-26/#:~:text=The%20pipeline%2C%20which%20was%20intended,it%20days%20before%20the%20invasion.

@ 2k per thousand cubic meters, a hefty loss.  Where is the metering point? When gas exits RU, or arrives in Germany?  Who paid for the gas in the pipeline?

Another interesting article from early September.  I wonder if something will happen to pipelines transiting UA?  Will they get bombed as well and blamed on Ukraine?

SEPTEMBER 3, 2022 Gazprom reportedly to increase gas to EU via Ukraine after Nord Stream halt
https://www.politico.eu/article/gazprom-gas-europe-ukraine-nord-stream/

Another from a couple days ago..

LONDON, Sept 28 (Reuters) - If Moscow carries out a threat to sanction Ukrainian energy firm Naftogaz, one of the last functioning Russian gas supply routes to Europe could be shut, exacerbating the energy crisis just as the crucial winter heating season begins.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russias-ukraine-gas-transit-sanction-threat-fresh-blow-europe-2022-09-28/



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Re: European Gas supplies, Russian pipelines
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2022, 05:54:56 AM »
This could be another Russian false flag operation. Why would the west want to do this?

Here's two really easy visuals for you.



Read a trip report from North Korea >>here<< - Read a trip report from South Korea, China and Hong Kong >>here<<

Look what the American media makes some people believe:
Putin often threatens to strike US with nuclear weapons.

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« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2022, 06:02:43 AM »
Are clowns the only substance you can drum up Manny?

In addition Russia is already foretelling the future:

Just last week Moscow warned that Ukraine was planning a "terrorist" attack on the Turkstream pipeline, which also brings gas from Russia to Europe.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/09/27/putins-nord-stream-2-sabotage-sends-warning-will-blow-pipes/

Add it all up. The result, although still fuzzy definitely shows advantages to 'happenings' on Putin's side.

IMO the Nordstream incident was just a shot over the bow.

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« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2022, 12:06:35 PM »
I listened to and read the Russia Inc., Chairman Putin's entire 4 UA regions accession speech and much of what he said is true, the west is a Devious, Deviant, Demented, Degenerate Femi-Natzees controlled Trans-Faggery loving WEF Globalists who are the archetype of the Anti-Christ, Anti-Family, Anti-Human, Marxist Socialist devotees of the Communist Manifesto and The Naked Communist 45 Goals of Communism for the West.

Ironically both China and Russia have cast off the Yoke of devout Communism and embraced a reasonably beneficial form of Corporate-Government cooperative facism.

Whereas the West has embraced Marxist Socialism and rushing headlong into crushing Communism.

The West and NATO have been poking the bear since the fall of the Berlin wall violating every treaty the West and Nato have signed and finally the Russian Bear struck back.

Chairman Putin of Russia Inc., said do not absorb Ukraine into NATO and do not put missiles on our border that can hit Moscow in 5 minutes is literally a bridge too far.

Now Russia has absorbed the DPR, LPR, Kherson and Zaporizhia into Mother Russia and now they are Defacto again the sacred soil of Russia that lost over 25 Million Men to defend in WWII which has left a deficit of Alpha Russian Males that drove out the Mongols and all other invaders of Mother Russia for the past 1,000 years.

Putin is acutely aware that the fast shock and awe attack and collapse of the Kiev Gov't his Generals and Intel Agencies promised did not go to plan and the continual NATO funding and supplying of advanced munitions to Kiev have taken a toll on Russia as it has cost Russia dearly in Blood, Treasure, and international Reputation damage to the Russia Brand.

Chairman Putin of Russia Inc., pissed that his Nordstream Revenue streams have been permanently eliminated by elite NATO Allied Forces and has warned in his speech that the West (USA) Used nukes on Japan to bend Japan to its will after the brutal Japanese treatment of USA POWs.  The USA set the precedent for the acceptable use of Nukes.  Chairman Putin did this calmly and without the emotional theatrics of a Castro in Cuba or Khrushchev of the Supreme Soviets.   This was the same strong calm state he conveyed when he warned about taking action against Ukraine becoming part of NATO.

Chairman Putin took decisive action then and he will take decisive action now.

Now that Chairman Putin has clearly stated that Sacred Russian Blood Soaked Soil will be defended by all means available to Mother Russia including the world's largest and most advanced Hypersonic Tactical and Strategic Nukes arsenals and that he has targeted the NATO Allies' command and Control, logistics infrastructure, and Advanced weapons in Ukraine with tactical Nukes.  This will not be one or two Nukes - this will be many tactical Nukes that will in fact end Ukraine's ability to resist and fight or exist as an independent nation. Just like the example of only two nukes in Japan ensured total unconditional surrender.  Chairman Putin is acutely aware that the UK and USA Nuclear NeoCons and the WEF want worldwide thermonuclear war and a nuclear winter that will kill off 90% of the useless eaters on planet earth.

Therefore doubting Chairman Putin's will and Resolve to preserve the Russian Soul and Culture, engaging in Tactical Nuclear Brinkmanship with Russia, Inc., will ensure savage tactical Nuclear attacks in Ukraine and an even more savage Strategic All Out Thermo-Nuclear War Globally.   

This is no joke and it is time to go to the best prepper sites from internet searches and prepare as best you can for the aftermath of the Global Thermo-Nuclear War and resultant Nuclear Winter.

I personally see the odds for a Tactical Nuclear war in Ukraine to be greater than 99% today and the resulting Global Thermo-Nuclear response to be 95% within the next 90 to 180 days.

If NATO was rational it would pursue an immediate off ramp in regards to the Ukraine Conflict.  By blowing up the Nordstream Pipelines - NATO has proven it is not rational and will to risk both tactical and strategic Thermo-Nuclear war.

Forewarned is Forearmed.


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Re: European Gas supplies, Russian pipelines
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2022, 04:14:21 PM »
I listened to and read the Russia Inc., Chairman Putin's entire 4 UA regions accession speech and much of what he said is true, the west is a Devious, Deviant, Demented, Degenerate Femi-Natzees controlled Trans-Faggery loving WEF Globalists who are the archetype of the Anti-Christ, Anti-Family, Anti-Human, Marxist Socialist devotees of the Communist Manifesto and The Naked Communist 45 Goals of Communism for the West.

Ironically both China and Russia have cast off the Yoke of devout Communism and embraced a reasonably beneficial form of Corporate-Government cooperative facism.

Whereas the West has embraced Marxist Socialism and rushing headlong into crushing Communism.

The West and NATO have been poking the bear since the fall of the Berlin wall violating every treaty the West and Nato have signed and finally the Russian Bear struck back.

Chairman Putin of Russia Inc., said do not absorb Ukraine into NATO and do not put missiles on our border that can hit Moscow in 5 minutes is literally a bridge too far.

Now Russia has absorbed the DPR, LPR, Kherson and Zaporizhia into Mother Russia and now they are Defacto again the sacred soil of Russia that lost over 25 Million Men to defend in WWII which has left a deficit of Alpha Russian Males that drove out the Mongols and all other invaders of Mother Russia for the past 1,000 years.

Putin is acutely aware that the fast shock and awe attack and collapse of the Kiev Gov't his Generals and Intel Agencies promised did not go to plan and the continual NATO funding and supplying of advanced munitions to Kiev have taken a toll on Russia as it has cost Russia dearly in Blood, Treasure, and international Reputation damage to the Russia Brand.

Chairman Putin of Russia Inc., pissed that his Nordstream Revenue streams have been permanently eliminated by elite NATO Allied Forces and has warned in his speech that the West (USA) Used nukes on Japan to bend Japan to its will after the brutal Japanese treatment of USA POWs.  The USA set the precedent for the acceptable use of Nukes.  Chairman Putin did this calmly and without the emotional theatrics of a Castro in Cuba or Khrushchev of the Supreme Soviets.   This was the same strong calm state he conveyed when he warned about taking action against Ukraine becoming part of NATO.

Chairman Putin took decisive action then and he will take decisive action now.

Now that Chairman Putin has clearly stated that Sacred Russian Blood Soaked Soil will be defended by all means available to Mother Russia including the world's largest and most advanced Hypersonic Tactical and Strategic Nukes arsenals and that he has targeted the NATO Allies' command and Control, logistics infrastructure, and Advanced weapons in Ukraine with tactical Nukes.  This will not be one or two Nukes - this will be many tactical Nukes that will in fact end Ukraine's ability to resist and fight or exist as an independent nation. Just like the example of only two nukes in Japan ensured total unconditional surrender.  Chairman Putin is acutely aware that the UK and USA Nuclear NeoCons and the WEF want worldwide thermonuclear war and a nuclear winter that will kill off 90% of the useless eaters on planet earth.

Therefore doubting Chairman Putin's will and Resolve to preserve the Russian Soul and Culture, engaging in Tactical Nuclear Brinkmanship with Russia, Inc., will ensure savage tactical Nuclear attacks in Ukraine and an even more savage Strategic All Out Thermo-Nuclear War Globally.   

This is no joke and it is time to go to the best prepper sites from internet searches and prepare as best you can for the aftermath of the Global Thermo-Nuclear War and resultant Nuclear Winter.

I personally see the odds for a Tactical Nuclear war in Ukraine to be greater than 99% today and the resulting Global Thermo-Nuclear response to be 95% within the next 90 to 180 days.

If NATO was rational it would pursue an immediate off ramp in regards to the Ukraine Conflict.  By blowing up the Nordstream Pipelines - NATO has proven it is not rational and will to risk both tactical and strategic Thermo-Nuclear war.

Forewarned is Forearmed.

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Cuffy if Russia is going to nuke Ukraine as a warning to Ukraine, US and the west in general Russia is probably not going to be obvious about it IMO.

The Russian military probably has the ability over time be able to sneak in and assemble in Kiev a low yield nuclear device. A few kilotons at most. Putin might even decide to do the nuking somewhere farther into Ukraine. After all he doesn't want nuclear radiation drifting into Russia and poisoning his people. I doubt Putin cares too much about what happens to people in Belarus or NATO countries but he already has enough problems in Russia he doesn't want more protests or outright riots.

The Russian military might not be able to get the nue close to any important target like the Ukrainian parliament or Volodymyr Zelenskyy's residence. However the Russian military has shown they have absolutely no compunction about unleashing artillery barrages on residential areas, hospitals and other civilian targets so I doubt they'd have any objections to nuking a civilian area(s).

Russia has already put forward the idea that Ukraine is making nuclear weapons so if one or more nukes were to explode in Ukrainian territory Russia could have plausible deniability and say we told you Ukraine is building nukes to nuke us. This would also give Russia the excuse to nuke Ukraine in the future.

Could the US or NATO detect a nuclear device being brought into Ukraine and being assembled on Ukrainian territory? Are American planes with nuclear detection equipment being flown over Ukraine? Are such teams on the ground in Ukraine?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-without-evidence-says-ukraine-making-nuclear-dirty-bomb-2022-03-06/
andrewfi says ''Proximity is almost no guarantee of authority" and "in many cases, distance gives a better picture with less emotional and subjective input."

That means I'm a subject matter expert on all things Russia, Ukraine and UK.

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« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2022, 06:55:13 PM »
It would take Ukraine a couple of years or more to make the material to make a bomb. It does not seem likely they are going to start now as this would make their likelihood to get foreign weapons in jeopardy. It would be known Russia did it. The dirty bomb is just taking waste nuclear material and lowing it up. It is a good terrorist weapon but not much use for anything else as it would kill more general population than Russian combatants.

It would be much more likely other European supply pipelines have unexplained explosions in international waters.
3) There has been no "threat" to invade Ukraine. The US invented that and fed it to a complicit media.

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« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2022, 07:13:28 PM »
This could be another Russian false flag operation. Why would the west want to do this?

Here's two really easy visuals for you.


If the USA did it, there is no way it would be kept a secret here for long. Who were all these people on these ships testing drones. Someone would want to write a book and make millions. It is not likely the USA has ships in area testing underwater drones. Just made up like so much Russian propaganda.  Russia ships were detected in area and CIA gave waring someone was trying to blow up pipelines days before the explosion. It was not Russian money that invested in the pipeline but rather private companies. It might be the companies that own the pipeline destroyed them because they were likely to get sued for more money than the pipeline's cost for breach of contract.   
3) There has been no "threat" to invade Ukraine. The US invented that and fed it to a complicit media.