Newly Occupied Areas of Ukraine Vote to Join Russia

[WestCoast]

I'm absolutely stunned to find out that the newly occupied areas of Ukraine plus Donetsk and Lugansk have voted to join Russia with a vote in favor of about 95%. In fact many Ukrainians that fled to Russia have also voted in favor of joining Russia.

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/27/1125322026/russia-ukraine-referendums

[Markje]

I'm absolutely stunned to find out that the newly occupied areas of Ukraine plus Donetsk and Lugansk have voted to join Russia with a vote in favor of about 95%. In fact many Ukrainians that fled to Russia have also voted in favor of joining Russia.

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/27/1125322026/russia-ukraine-referendums

Not surprising about those that fled to Russia. They live in better conditions and were pro-Russian anyway or they'd not have fled there.

[Texan77]

I am not surprised at all. All regions of Ukraine who hold referendums Russia wins by at least 95 per cent or better.  Since 95 per cent of Ukrainians want to be part of Russia there isn't anybody to fight in the Ukrainian army and Russia won the war in just three days of fighting. 

[Texan77]

This is another way you know the elections were not real. Nobody wanted to fight for the Russian army. They know what that means. Most recruits in Russia do not know what it means to be a Russian soldier in Ukraine or the number of Russian men leaving would be much higher. It was known that this would happen as soon as the referendum was over.  It was already happening to men who got Russian passports. There is no way 95 plus per cent would vote for this.

Ukraine had a net gain of men when the war broke out. More men returned home from all over Europe than left.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukrainians-flee-occupied-Zaporozhye-as-forced-conscription-into-russian-army-looms/ar-AA12nGwb?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=322dfd7fe3194f84a87cab18145ce746

The first of the new draftees will be showing up in Ukraine tomorrow. Some will get one month training, others will not any.   

[cufflinks]

Using cutting-edge Biometric voting systems the Russians conducted one of the most secure and reliable election referendums in Ukraine and Russian combined History as managed with the assistance of the former Biden 2020 Campaign Team, the CCP's Dominion and Smartmatic voting machines.

[WestCoast]

Using cutting-edge Biometric voting systems the Russians conducted one of the most secure and reliable election referendums in Ukraine and Russian combined History as managed with the assistance of the former Biden 2020 Campaign Team, the CCP's Dominion and Smartmatic voting machines.

Cuffy you forgot about the two Russian soldiers standing behind the voter with AK47 pointed at the voter's head.

[WestCoast]

I'm absolutely stunned to find out that the newly occupied areas of Ukraine plus Donetsk and Lugansk have voted to join Russia with a vote in favor of about 95%. In fact many Ukrainians that fled to Russia have also voted in favor of joining Russia.

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/27/1125322026/russia-ukraine-referendums

Not surprising about those that fled to Russia. They live in better conditions and were pro-Russian anyway or they'd not have fled there.

Of course now the Ukrainian males of military age that fled to Russia are probably now being drafted or pressured to enlist to go to Ukraine to fight on behalf of Russia.

[BC]

Not surprising about those that fled to Russia. They live in better conditions and were pro-Russian anyway or they'd not have fled there.

Fled or filtrated?

Probably a bit of both.

https://www.hrw.org/report/2022/09/01/we-had-no-choice/filtration-and-crime-forcibly-transferring-ukrainian-civilians

[Manny]

Using cutting-edge Biometric voting systems the Russians conducted one of the most secure and reliable election referendums in Ukraine and Russian combined History as managed with the assistance of the former Biden 2020 Campaign Team, the CCP's Dominion and Smartmatic voting machines.

Cuffy you forgot about the two Russian soldiers standing behind the voter with AK47 pointed at the voter's head.

Aside from the fact that you have made that up, why not mention all the international observers there? 

[WestCoast]

Using cutting-edge Biometric voting systems the Russians conducted one of the most secure and reliable election referendums in Ukraine and Russian combined History as managed with the assistance of the former Biden 2020 Campaign Team, the CCP's Dominion and Smartmatic voting machines.

Cuffy you forgot about the two Russian soldiers standing behind the voter with AK47 pointed at the voter's head.

Aside from the fact that you have made that up, why not mention all the international observers there? 

I didn't mention the international observers present because the articles I read just said international observers not who they were or where they were from.

[Manny]

Using cutting-edge Biometric voting systems the Russians conducted one of the most secure and reliable election referendums in Ukraine and Russian combined History as managed with the assistance of the former Biden 2020 Campaign Team, the CCP's Dominion and Smartmatic voting machines.

Cuffy you forgot about the two Russian soldiers standing behind the voter with AK47 pointed at the voter's head.

Aside from the fact that you have made that up, why not mention all the international observers there? 

I didn't mention the international observers present because the articles I read just said international observers not who they were or where they were from.

Try harder then. 942 of them.

Here's Stefan Schaller for example.

[WestCoast]

Using cutting-edge Biometric voting systems the Russians conducted one of the most secure and reliable election referendums in Ukraine and Russian combined History as managed with the assistance of the former Biden 2020 Campaign Team, the CCP's Dominion and Smartmatic voting machines.

Cuffy you forgot about the two Russian soldiers standing behind the voter with AK47 pointed at the voter's head.

Aside from the fact that you have made that up, why not mention all the international observers there? 

I didn't mention the international observers present because the articles I read just said international observers not who they were or where they were from.

Try harder then. 942 of them.

Here's Stefan Schaller for example.

What is the 942 about? There is nothing in the Tass article about 942. The mayor of Melitopol Mayor Galina Danilchenko was put in place by the Russians so anything involving her is suspicious.

Also you've only supplied one observer what about the others? Are you saying there were 942 international observers?

Your link about Stefan Schaller times out.

[BC]

Try harder then. 942 of them.

Here's Stefan Schaller for example.

What's an 'observer'?  Germany did not send any, and neither did any other EU country.  As sham as the elections.

https://imi.org.ua/en/news/foreign-journalists-with-ties-to-rf-were-among-the-international-observers-at-the-sham-referendum-i47970

[WestCoast]

Try harder then. 942 of them.

Here's Stefan Schaller for example.

What's an 'observer'?  Germany did not send any, and neither did any other EU country.  As sham as the elections.

https://imi.org.ua/en/news/foreign-journalists-with-ties-to-rf-were-among-the-international-observers-at-the-sham-referendum-i47970

Manny haven't you written articles for Russian media? I'm surprised they didn't ask you to be an observer?

[Manny]

Try harder then. 942 of them.

Here's Stefan Schaller for example.

What's an 'observer'?  Germany did not send any, and neither did any other EU country.  As sham as the elections.

https://imi.org.ua/en/news/foreign-journalists-with-ties-to-rf-were-among-the-international-observers-at-the-sham-referendum-i47970

Stefan is from Germany. The UN declined to send any.

Also you've only supplied one observer what about the others? Are you saying there were 942 international observers?

Yes. I'm not going to research the rest for you.

Your link about Stefan Schaller times out.

From Communist Canada, probably, like RT will. You need a VPN and maybe to use DuckDuck or maybe Yandex to access any actual news. You won't find it on Yahoo. I'll show you what Trudeau doesn't want you to see.

[2tallbill]

Aside from the fact that you have made that up, why not mention all the international observers there? 

Manny is the Kremlins "Bagdad Bob"  I dub him
Kremlin Stu



Russia’s claimed observers in Ukraine ‘referendums’ violate numerous international principles – experts


The foreigners that Russian state media routinely cite as being international observers to the so-called referendums in four regions of Ukraine are violating numerous international principles of election observation and are engaging in nothing more than “political activism,” experts in the field told CNN.

“What they do is not election observation at all,” Anton Shekhovtsov, who writes reports on fake election observation for the European Platform for Democratic Elections (EPDE), a German and European Union-backed NGO, said Tuesday. ““It’s a political activity that is only masquerading as election observation.”

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/27/europe/russia-ukraine-referendum-intl/index.html

[BC]

Stefan is from Germany. The UN declined to send any.

From Communist Canada, probably, like RT will. You need a VPN and maybe to use DuckDuck or maybe Yandex to access any actual news. You won't find it on Yahoo. I'll show you what Trudeau doesn't want you to see.

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/deutscher-beobachtete-scheinreferenden-manager-nach-reise-in-den-donbass-freigestellt-8685583.html

The managing director of a Hessian energy supplier praised the mock referendums on site. That cost him his job. Now he claims the Russians used him.

The alleged vacation trip to the Donbass was not without consequences. Stefan Schaller, previously managing director of an energy supplier in northern Hesse, has been released with immediate effect. The supervisory bodies of Energie Waldeck-Frankenberg decided unanimously on Monday in a hastily convened special meeting.

"I was just so naive and thought I could separate the technical observation of the elections from the political dimension."

"Of course the Russians didn't show me the complete picture."

[Manny]

For those interested, who are not behind a western Russophobic internet wall (or know how to use a VPN), the speech by Putin on the subject yesterday can be found here: Signing of treaties on accession of Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics and Zaporozhye and Kherson regions to Russia

[BC]

For those interested, who are not behind a western Russophobic internet wall (or know how to use a VPN), the speech by Putin on the subject yesterday can be found here: Signing of treaties on accession of Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics and Zaporozhye and Kherson regions to Russia

No wall here, no wall in Germany. I have a VPN I can set to any country. Tell me where this wall is, and I'll confirm.

None in UK either...



Game on Manny?

[Manny]

I'm not going to teach you about VPNs and restrictions here. Its very provider dependant. For example, where I am now on a BT EE 4G wifi link, kremlin.ru wont open but eng.kremlin.ru will. So whoever blocked it at EE was not bright enough to block the eng. sub domain.

[BC]

Manny,

Firewalls typically block using the firewall hierarchy. 

Blocking kremlin.ru would block all subdomains.  At the moment only kremlin.RU has some difficulty appearing, possibly due to DDOS attacks.

Blocking can be done on either end.  Maybe the Kremlin wants only the en.kremlin.ru subdomain to open outside RU?  It's just as plausible as your unfounded assertions.

Anyhoo, you're busted again.  You have mentioned this "western Russophobic internet wall" several times.  I'll be happy to confirm any website you believe is being blocked by western providers before you make an arse of yourself.

I am aware some companies like facebook, tiktok etc have blocked their sites from RU visitors, but, in general, other than DDOS attackes have not noted websites in RU being blocked. 

RU, however, is blocking a huge number of western websites so their citizens can't view them.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/4/russia-restricts-access-to-several-western-media-websites
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/07/technology/russia-ukraine-internet-isolation.html

[Markje]

For those interested, who are not behind a western Russophobic internet wall (or know how to use a VPN), the speech by Putin on the subject yesterday can be found here: Signing of treaties on accession of Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics and Zaporozhye and Kherson regions to Russia

No wall here, no wall in Germany. I have a VPN I can set to any country. Tell me where this wall is, and I'll confirm.

None in UK either...



Game on Manny?

In nl they block rt.com by blocking its name record. Silly NL, thats even easier to solve than vpn

[2tallbill]

Blocking can be done on either end.  Maybe the Kremlin wants only the en.kremlin.ru subdomain to open outside RU?  It's just as plausible as your unfounded assertions.

I was briefly in Russia recently and found many, many
sites closed to me. I am not techy enough to know why.
Angel Eyes and Smiley Girl had work arounds for nearly
anything that was blocked.

Currently we communicate using what's app

[AJ]

For those interested, who are not behind a western Russophobic internet wall (or know how to use a VPN), the speech by Putin on the subject yesterday can be found here: Signing of treaties on accession of Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics and Zaporozhye and Kherson regions to Russia

So zap city and surrounding area isnt occupied by russia, has a third or greater of the  oblast population and this is somehow a valid vote?
Lets just ignore that in the face of invading troops hundreds of thousands fled the oblast.
Even russian soldiers said most civilians fled to ukraine and that the ones that stayed dint want russian troops there.
There are ukrainian  refugee families  here locally from kherson and zap oblast. Did they get an absentee ballot?
Im.sure putin will.pay them.directly for the homes and land they lost

After 14 the majority of people in zap and khersin oblasts   ,even  the smaller percent that prior where pro putin, turned very pro ukraine.
Its been in going ebb since 04.
You can blame the west or solar flares,but it doesnt change that the people there in general did not want to be under russian governance.
So the entire sham is ridiculous in its numbers.

Ill grant that many military men and others in 14 went.to donetsk , i could see those that.havnt fled that oblast for ukraine might vote in that percent for that status.
But it is not even remotely close to the case in khersin or zap.


The concept of invading and  occupying a region, and then holding a referendum is  idiotic.

Amazingly the entire line of oblasts  annexed is the land bridge to crimea ,like most  everyone in 14 expected russia to take at some point.

It was always a land grab ,it remains a land grab ,and this type of fanfaire to.try and legitimize it is clownish at best.

So another day russia  lost net ground in donestk oblast , thats 34(?) days in a row.
They release pow  azov battalion members,
And still cant safely.operate thier navy out of sevestopol.

Yeah thats  the stuff of a 95% approval rating right.there

[Texan77]

Yea let Nato invade part of Russia, hold a referendum and see how Russia would see it differently.