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Putin's Speech on Ukraine September 21, 2022 Transcript
« on: September 21, 2022, 05:55:32 AM »
Putin made a speech this morning. As news channels are already misrepresenting it, you can find the official translation >here<, and I repost it below as Russian sites are blocked in some locations.

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President of Russia Vladimir Putin: Friends,

The subject of this address is the situation in Donbass and the course of the special military operation to liberate it from the neo-Nazi regime, which seized power in Ukraine in 2014 as the result of an armed state coup.

Today I am addressing you – all citizens of our country, people of different generations, ages and ethnicities, the people of our great Motherland, all who are united by the great historical Russia, soldiers, officers and volunteers who are fighting on the frontline and doing their combat duty, our brothers and sisters in the Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions and other areas that have been liberated from the neo-Nazi regime.

The issue concerns the necessary, imperative measures to protect the sovereignty, security and territorial integrity of Russia and support the desire and will of our compatriots to choose their future independently, and the aggressive policy of some Western elites, who are doing their utmost to preserve their domination and with this aim in view are trying to block and suppress any sovereign and independent development centres in order to continue to aggressively force their will and pseudo-values on other countries and nations.

The goal of that part of the West is to weaken, divide and ultimately destroy our country. They are saying openly now that in 1991 they managed to split up the Soviet Union and now is the time to do the same to Russia, which must be divided into numerous regions that would be at deadly feud with each other.

They devised these plans long ago. They encouraged groups of international terrorists in the Caucasus and moved NATO’s offensive infrastructure close to our borders. They used indiscriminate Russophobia as a weapon, including by nurturing the hatred of Russia for decades, primarily in Ukraine, which was designed to become an anti-Russia bridgehead. They turned the Ukrainian people into cannon fodder and pushed them into a war with Russia, which they unleashed back in 2014. They used the army against civilians and organised a genocide, blockade and terror against those who refused to recognise the government that was created in Ukraine as the result of a state coup.

After the Kiev regime publicly refused to settle the issue of Donbass peacefully and went as far as to announce its ambition to possess nuclear weapons, it became clear that a new offensive in Donbass – there were two of them before – was inevitable, and that it would be inevitably followed by an attack on Russia’s Crimea, that is, on Russia.

In this connection, the decision to start a pre-emptive military operation was necessary and the only option. The main goal of this operation, which is to liberate the whole of Donbass, remains unaltered.

The Lugansk People’s Republic has been liberated from the neo-Nazis almost completely. Fighting in the Donetsk People’s Republic continues. Over the previous eight years, the Kiev occupation regime created a deeply echeloned line of permanent defences. A head-on attack against them would have led to heavy losses, which is why our units, as well as the forces of the Donbass republics, are acting competently and systematically, using military equipment and saving lives, moving step by step to liberate Donbass, purge cities and towns of the neo-Nazis, and help the people whom the Kiev regime turned into hostages and human shields.

As you know, professional military personnel serving under contract are taking part in the special military operation. Fighting side by side with them are volunteer units – people of different ethnicities, professions and ages who are real patriots. They answered the call of their hearts to rise up in defence of Russia and Donbass.

In this connection, I have already issued instructions for the Government and the Defence Ministry to determine the legal status of volunteers and personnel of the military units of the Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics. It must be the same as the status of military professionals of the Russian army, including material, medical and social benefits. Special attention must be given to organising the supply of military and other equipment for volunteer units and Donbass people’s militia.

While acting to attain the main goals of defending Donbass in accordance with the plans and decisions of the Defence Ministry and the General Staff, our troops have liberated considerable areas in the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions and a number of other areas. This has created a protracted line of contact that is over 1,000 kilometres long.

This is what I would like to make public for the first time today. After the start of the special military operation, in particular after the Istanbul talks, Kiev representatives voiced quite a positive response to our proposals. These proposals concerned above all ensuring Russia’s security and interests. But a peaceful settlement obviously did not suit the West, which is why, after certain compromises were coordinated, Kiev was actually ordered to wreck all these agreements.

More weapons were pumped into Ukraine. The Kiev regime brought into play new groups of foreign mercenaries and nationalists, military units trained according to NATO standards and receiving orders from Western advisers.

At the same time, the regime of reprisals throughout Ukraine against their own citizens, established immediately after the armed coup in 2014, was harshly intensified. The policy of intimidation, terror and violence is taking on increasingly mass-scale, horrific and barbaric forms.

I want to stress the following. We know that the majority of people living in the territories liberated from the neo-Nazis, and these are primarily the historical lands of Novorossiya, do not want to live under the yoke of the neo-Nazi regime. People in the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions, in Lugansk and Donetsk saw and are seeing now the atrocities perpetrated by the neo-Nazis in the [Ukrainian-] occupied areas of the Kharkov region. The descendants of Banderites and members of Nazi punitive expeditions are killing, torturing and imprisoning people; they are settling scores, beating up, and committing outrages on peaceful civilians.

There were over 7.5 million people living in the Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics and in the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions before the outbreak of hostilities. Many of them were forced to become refugees and leave their homes. Those who have stayed – they number about five million – are now exposed to artillery and missile attacks launched by the neo-Nazi militants, who fire at hospitals and schools and stage terrorist attacks against peaceful civilians.

We cannot, we have no moral right to let our kin and kith be torn to pieces by butchers; we cannot but respond to their sincere striving to decide their destiny on their own.

The parliaments of the Donbass people’s republics and the military-civilian administrations of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions have adopted decisions to hold referendums on the future of their territories and have appealed to Russia to support this.

I would like to emphasise that we will do everything necessary to create safe conditions for these referendums so that people can express their will. And we will support the choice of future made by the majority of people in the Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics and the Zaporozhye and Kherson regions.

Friends,

Today our armed forces, as I have mentioned, are fighting on the line of contact that is over 1,000 kilometres long, fighting not only against neo-Nazi units but actually the entire military machine of the collective West.

In this situation, I consider it necessary to take the following decision, which is fully adequate to the threats we are facing. More precisely, I find it necessary to support the proposal of the Defence Ministry and the General Staff on partial mobilisation in the Russian Federation to defend our Motherland and its sovereignty and territorial integrity, and to ensure the safety of our people and people in the liberated territories.

As I have said, we are talking about partial mobilisation. In other words, only military reservists, primarily those who served in the armed forces and have specific military occupational specialties and corresponding experience, will be called up.

Before being sent to their units, those called up for active duty will undergo mandatory additional military training based on the experience of the special military operation.

I have already signed Executive Order on partial mobilisation.

In accordance with legislation, the houses of the Federal Assembly – the Federation Council and the State Duma – will be officially notified about this in writing today.

The mobilisation will begin today, September 21. I am instructing the heads of the regions to provide the necessary assistance to the work of military recruitment offices.

I would like to point out that the citizens of Russia called up in accordance with the mobilisation order will have the status, payments and all social benefits of military personnel serving under contract.

Additionally, the Executive Order on partial mobilisation also stipulates additional measures for the fulfilment of the state defence order. The heads of defence industry enterprises will be directly responsible for attaining the goals of increasing the production of weapons and military equipment and using additional production facilities for this purpose. At the same time, the Government must address without any delay all aspects of material, resource and financial support for our defence enterprises.

Friends,

The West has gone too far in its aggressive anti-Russia policy, making endless threats to our country and people. Some irresponsible Western politicians are doing more than just speak about their plans to organise the delivery of long-range offensive weapons to Ukraine, which could be used to deliver strikes at Crimea and other Russian regions.

Such terrorist attacks, including with the use of Western weapons, are being delivered at border areas in the Belgorod and Kursk regions. NATO is conducting reconnaissance through Russia’s southern regions in real time and with the use of modern systems, aircraft, vessels, satellites and strategic drones.

Washington, London and Brussels are openly encouraging Kiev to move the hostilities to our territory. They openly say that Russia must be defeated on the battlefield by any means, and subsequently deprived of political, economic, cultural and any other sovereignty and ransacked.

They have even resorted to the nuclear blackmail. I am referring not only to the Western-encouraged shelling of the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant, which poses a threat of a nuclear disaster, but also to the statements made by some high-ranking representatives of the leading NATO countries on the possibility and admissibility of using weapons of mass destruction – nuclear weapons – against Russia.

I would like to remind those who make such statements regarding Russia that our country has different types of weapons as well, and some of them are more modern than the weapons NATO countries have. In the event of a threat to the territorial integrity of our country and to defend Russia and our people, we will certainly make use of all weapon systems available to us. This is not a bluff.

The citizens of Russia can rest assured that the territorial integrity of our Motherland, our independence and freedom will be defended – I repeat – by all the systems available to us. Those who are using nuclear blackmail against us should know that the wind rose can turn around.

It is our historical tradition and the destiny of our nation to stop those who are keen on global domination and threaten to split up and enslave our Motherland. Rest assured that we will do it this time as well.

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Re: Putin's Speech on Ukraine September 21, 2022 Transcript
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2022, 08:04:08 AM »
Many noteworthy points in the speech. I wonder why it was held over from the previous evening.

My neighbours returned from a few days in the countryside. They mentioned Putin's threat to use nuclear weapons. They'd been 'got at' already. Mere hours after his speech.

I commented that although I had not seen a transcript of the speech, I was interested to do so as it was unlikely that he had threated the use of nuclear weapons, particularly as the first users. Anyway, what do we see. The news media are full of inaccurate translations and downright dishonesty in terms of what was said.

Also, worth noting is some media purposefully using incorrect wording to describe the partial mobilisation. This is not conscription, this is a recall of some, a very few, in the context of the reserve forces, of the reservists who have training and experience that fits them for the SMO. When I saw the first purposeful misuse of conscription, I wondered if perhaps we are now going to see conscription take place across the collective west?
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Re: Putin's Speech on Ukraine September 21, 2022 Transcript
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2022, 08:34:50 AM »
Typical politician.
Some valid points,
 mixed with a whole  pile of rhetoric.


No mention of wagner pmc and who they are actively recruiting or pardons for prisoners serving with them.

Kherson is hardly  a pro Russian oblast ,and they had to bus in crimean residents to have  a video of a may 9th celebration in the city center.

The videos dont mention the complete curfew for actual citizens of kherson from.9pm.the day before to 9pm.the following day.
And they had shot protestors previously,sonyes people where intimidated to protest  it,but they did video the busses coming in.

It's incredibly convenient that kherson and zap oblasts are a land bridge and water supply for Crimea, but its only about saving Russian speakers.  :dh:

Yet withdrew from mikolaev and Kharkov oblast which are predominantly  Russian speaking as well.

 


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Putin's Speech on Ukraine September 21, 2022
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2022, 12:20:44 PM »

Retired Air Vice-Marshal Sean Bell had some interesting comments in a Sky News vid about the speech, mobilization and what it means for Ukraine, Russia and the rest of the world.


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Re: Putin's Speech on Ukraine September 21, 2022 Transcript
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2022, 12:57:22 PM »
I think it maybe best to get out of Germany if the Red line is crossed cos the first strike will be all the US bases there.. and Poland..
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Re: Putin's Speech on Ukraine September 21, 2022 Transcript
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2022, 01:48:23 PM »
Best to get out of Moscow and St Petersburg if the red line is cross and they will likely not be much left there after Russia's strike. We could see a very happy China... Wake up!! The west not likely to back down.
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Re: Putin's Speech on Ukraine September 21, 2022 Transcript
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2022, 02:52:04 PM »
I think it maybe best to get out of Germany if the Red line is crossed cos the first strike will be all the US bases there.. and Poland..

The.red line is attack on russian territory?

That already happened ,belograd and the airbase near rostov.

Attack.on russian recognized territories?
Like crimea?

Holding referendums while occupying a territory ,and then drawing redlines over the new border is delusional.
That russian paper tiger better rethink.

This is escalation because of inability to reach thier goals without further mobilization, recruiting prisoners and migrants ,and threats.

Noones flinching.
So it just means more bloodshed while russia yaps even more, and accomplishes nothing meaningful.for themselves

Same as the last 7 months.

Nothing in the new ratifications by the duma limit the mobilization to reserves, and increases to.the criminal code for various infractions regarding serving the military.






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Putin's Speech on Ukraine September 21, 2022 pertinent?
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2022, 06:00:57 PM »
the most searched thing for on Russian google, after Putin's speech
"Куда бежать из России прямо сейчас"
"Where to escape from Russia right now"

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxSJPevTmtb9PSq7ORLKOXISzHwmK0pyak

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Re: Putin's Speech on Ukraine September 21, 2022 pertinent?
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2022, 01:29:22 AM »
the most searched thing for on Russian google, after Putin's speech
"Куда бежать из России прямо сейчас"
"Where to escape from Russia right now"

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxSJPevTmtb9PSq7ORLKOXISzHwmK0pyak

Yes, a nice piece of western propaganda, it pushes so many questions in my mind that this statement alone isn't useful except to people that think Russians are now fleeing Russia en masse. Especially ex-military etc.....

Sure, a bunch *might* have fled russia, but it won't be in any significant numbers.
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Re: Putin's Speech on Ukraine September 21, 2022 Transcript
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2022, 08:27:17 AM »
hmm...
not entirely sure about that search.

Would not somebody wanting to leave Russia to avoid call-up not be more likely to use the word 'leave' or 'fly'?

Sniff, sniff, bullshit!

Bear in mind that the call-up is for a very small part of people who were already listed as reservists. These are people who have already served in the armed forces and been trained.

It looks to me as though what we might have seen is similar to the young men who fled from Ukraine and who one sees from time to time in these sunny climes with their blond little girlfriends. Except that at least the Ukrainian kids had a decent chance of being conscripted and had never had military training.
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« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2022, 09:45:04 AM »
hmm...
not entirely sure about that search.

Would not somebody wanting to leave Russia to avoid call-up not be more likely to use the word 'leave' or 'fly'?

Sniff, sniff, bullshit!

Bear in mind that the call-up is for a very small part of people who were already listed as reservists. These are people who have already served in the armed forces and been trained.

It looks to me as though what we might have seen is similar to the young men who fled from Ukraine and who one sees from time to time in these sunny climes with their blond little girlfriends. Except that at least the Ukrainian kids had a decent chance of being conscripted and had never had military training.

The search beung highest*  seems odd.
That i agree, there are afterall only 145.mil people and we know only a percent would searh that phrase..

As far.as whats being called up,
What the diuma  actually passed is different than  the partial* mobilization whats being regurgitated.

While of course that will be the initial  ones called ,
there is nothing stated within the articles passed that limits it to just that demographic..
Any russian with a brain can read this, and manage whatever risks they see accordingly.

Some percent., seeing the duma passed mobilization  , might "leave with thier blonde girlfreinds"


Since the age is 18-65,  that covers a lot of ground should russia choose to, and they would not need further action by the duma.

So you're trotting.out what politik said, as what will happen.
I am.sure initially that will be accurate ,but for how long is unknown. Was the plsn to have partial mobilization from january?im sure it was ond of msny contendgencies.

The ones there,  with the possibility of thier butts sent to the front lines in ukraine will have to have the equal trust you do in it remining limited for the course pf the conflict.
If they had patriotically wantedvto go ,youd think.they would have already  had the oppurtunity to have signed a contract in the last 7 months

Was the traffic jam at the finnish border normal for the date and time?






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Re: Putin's Speech on Ukraine September 21, 2022 Transcript
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2022, 11:20:21 AM »

Bear in mind that the call-up is for a very small part of people who were already listed as reservists. These are people who have already served in the armed forces and been trained.

Didn't they call back a large number of reservists just a couple of months or so ago?  I fear this 'partial mobilization' will go far beyond just folks that served in the armed forces prior.  I don't doubt that many who have the means to do so will try to find a way out.  I suspect border checks at exit points will be much tighter with checks against call-up rolls, extra questioning, etc.

Several news sites report rising airfares and Finnish border folks reporting unusually high entries for Wednesday.
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According to Aviasales ticket aggregator, one-way tickets on Friday out of Moscow to Istanbul are starting at $2,715 per ticket. Before President Putin's mobilization announcement, the tickets cost about $350.

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« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2022, 04:39:52 PM »
Saw a video of hundreds from.the far eastern russia being loaded on a transport,

So the explotation of poor provncial.areas continues , and lets not forget prisons.
It was a big talking point when ukraine did do,but the pundits here ignore it when wagner gropus does so,a pmc that  suddenly has the government working with them.to pardon prisoners for 6 months to a year of service.

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Re: Putin's Speech on Ukraine September 21, 2022 pertinent?
« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2022, 05:09:58 PM »
the most searched thing for on Russian google, after Putin's speech
"Куда бежать из России прямо сейчас"
"Where to escape from Russia right now"

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxSJPevTmtb9PSq7ORLKOXISzHwmK0pyak

How it is seen on Indian news.

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Re: Putin's Speech on Ukraine September 21, 2022 Transcript
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2022, 12:52:56 AM »
We know a couple of people including a policeman who have volunteered and already enlisted .. And I think there will be lots more than 300,000 cos we already know people got their call up papers.. and friends of ours also know friends who have call up papers, so probably 500,000 really.. maybe more..
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« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2022, 03:26:15 AM »
However many reservists are called up, it seems that not all will be inducted at the same time.

Also, as had been made clear at the time of Shoigu's speech, there are certain priorities in terms of skills and training. This is not a general call up of all the reserves. It is a call up for specialised people, with military and combat experience with certain, relevant, specialisms. It certainly seems that the claimed queues of men in airports are not genuine, given that the pics I saw looked like a normal mix of male/female with a wide range of ages but trending older. It looked to me pretty much like folks going on vacation in September - older folks, men and women, no kids, no young parents.

Other stories coming out, again do not ring true, given what we already know of the call up.
So, whole villages being rounded up? No.
Students being given call up papers? No.
Industrial workers being told to enlist by their managers? No.

Of course, there will be some blokes who for various reasons, recognise that now is a good time to leave Russia, and, on the whole, I suggest that the general attitude may well be 'good riddance'.

Just as a sanity checking thought...
Given the headline number of 300,000 and given that preparations will have been made in advance. Most people who will be called up will know about it by now.

If we assume that just 1% of those people decided to scarper and fly to some other place, that is 30,000 men who had the money and other resources to absent themselves from Russia with no notice or preparation time.

Any idea of how many planeloads of men that would represent? To give some perspective, an Airbus a 320 has a capacity of 150 passengers, give or take. That's 200 flights, not accounting for any other 'genuine' passengers. Assuming a meagre 70% capacity - usually much higher. That would give about 50 seats vacant on each flight out of Russia. It'd take some 600 flights to accommodate these brave Russian men fleeing the country.

Bottom line, while it is undoubtedly true that some, a few men decided to bugger off, and that is absolutely to be expected. The reality is that the numbers are minuscule because the facts on the ground do not match the tall tales being recounted to credulous westerners as true.

And, no, don't try to argue with me about the numbers. I was making a sanity check, partly for my own benefit. Substitute your own, if you wish and see if reasonable numbers can shift the picture in one direction or the other by an order of magnitude - they wont.
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Re: Putin's Speech on Ukraine September 21, 2022 Transcript
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2022, 03:34:35 AM »

And, no, don't try to argue with me about the numbers. I was making a sanity check, partly for my own benefit. Substitute your own, if you wish and see if reasonable numbers can shift the picture in one direction or the other by an order of magnitude - they wont.
Sorry Andrew, but 1% of 300.000 is not 30.000 but 3.000  :innocent:

The car border-crossings waits are also not new. Lines there have been since 2010 when I first visitted Crimea by car.

All 4 times, I had to wait 3+ hours to enter/exit ukraine , using both large and small border crossings.
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Re: Putin's Speech on Ukraine September 21, 2022 Transcript
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2022, 04:08:23 AM »
Hoist by my own petard! Thanks, Mark! But as  I noted shift the numbers by an order of magnitude and not much changes!

On the other hand, that tells us a different but still supportive story. The pics shown supporting the people leaving Russia by air make no sense, given that just one ( a crowd of purported men fleeing) would have accounted for a very large part of a 1% population of men taking flight. In fact, the pic was of passengers trying to lay hands on their luggage following some kind of baggage holdup.

BTW, why did I pick on 1%?
That's because very few people can afford to up sticks at a moment's notice and go to some other country for an indeterminate, likely permanent vacation.  One needs few family ties, plenty of money and a certain degree of, shall we say 'rugged individualism' some might say cowardice

For context during WW2 in the USA, 34.5 million men were called up, only 35,000 conscientious objectors refused to take up any role in the military or alternative service from a total of 72,354 objectors. If Mark can check my numbers, that's around 0.1%. :)
Conscientious objectors are not the same as purported cowards, but I figure that it is safe to assume 10 times as many cowards in the population than conscientious objectors.

Of course these men fleeing from duty are already unusual in that they have liquid wealth and the ability to immediately settle in a new country for the long-term. That's not how I'd immediately think of a coward, a man who is unable to cope with following his duty in a role that he was previously engaged in the regular army.

COs are, in my opinion rarely cowards and as we saw in WW2, were far from averse to serving their country in the war. In this case, the men called up were are reservists with military experience.

So, bottom line, I see no reason to believe the stories being told to the gullible around the world.
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Re: Putin's Speech on Ukraine September 21, 2022 Transcript
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2022, 04:39:57 AM »
The call up is for 300,000 to one million. It is interesting because previously Russia was trying to not use people out of the major cities. They were pretending it was not really a war now they have reversed policy. Maybe they let all those people out of jail who are there because they were claiming it is a real war?  What this will do is expose how really messed up the Russian military is to a lot more people. Now the problem is where are they going to get the equipment for all of these people, where are they going to train them and who is going to train them. Russian logistics has not been able to supply its current army and one has to wonder how it is going to supply this increased number of troops.  Russia sent most of their profession military trainers to the war zone some time back. So, I guess training will be mainly a processing center and claimed they had previous training. Expect them on the front in two weeks.

Notice the fake elections have not even been held yet.  Is there any doubt of the outcome?
3) There has been no "threat" to invade Ukraine. The US invented that and fed it to a complicit media.

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Re: Putin's Speech on Ukraine September 21, 2022 Transcript
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2022, 04:49:48 AM »
Bottom line, while it is undoubtedly true that some, a few men decided to bugger off, and that is absolutely to be expected. The reality is that the numbers are minuscule because the facts on the ground do not match the tall tales being recounted to credulous westerners as true.

Of course, only time will tell.  In any case, this 'partial' mobilization IS an escalation with no end game in sight that will bring the war a lot closer to folks, even those in the big cities, that until now, felt a bit distanced from the situation or even immune.  "What next?" is the real question that will nag them.  I noted that despite my prompting weeks in advance, my UA friends who had the means to leave waited until missiles hit uncomfortably close on the morning of 24 February.  Being only a postcard away from possibly seeing your family for the last time before being herded to the front is a much more uncomfortable position.  It'll hit home sooner rather than later.   Have to remember this is an action that Putin, for obvious reasons, did not want to have to take. It is a sign of weakness and not strength.  Calling it 'partial,' 'selective,' or whatever is only an effort to try and appease those that may harbor a modicum of doubt.  After all, his staunch supporters would have no need for such, so why the need to make such excuses in the first place?  If confident of support, Putin could have simply called for more volunteers to step up to the plate and expect only complaints that not enough busses are available.

Just food for thought.

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Re: Putin's Speech on Ukraine September 21, 2022 Transcript
« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2022, 08:03:13 AM »
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On Thursday, Germany’s foreign and interior ministries indicated that citizens fleeing Russia could apply for asylum in Germany.

”Deserters threatened with serious repression can - as a rule - obtain international protection in Germany,” Germany’s interior minister Nancy Faeser was quoted saying in the German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung.

Obviously, any person with a valid reason can claim asylum in the EU, but the additional message makes it very clear.

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Re: Putin's Speech on Ukraine September 21, 2022 Transcript
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2022, 08:08:40 AM »
By Greg Hunter’s USAWatchdog.com (WNW 548 9.23.22)

Putin is making some serious moves to put Russia on a war footing in what is being called a “partial mobilization of national forces.”  Some reports say they are calling up 1 million people for a possible future war effort.  Maybe this is why many military aged Russians are trying to escape the country.  Meanwhile, a top Russian Security Council member is hinting that nuclear warfare is an option to defend recently annexed parts of Ukraine.  There are zero peace talks, and the only thing you are seeing is more money for war from the west.  It is now only a matter of when, not if, there is a nuclear exchange between Russia and NATO.   Lord, please help us.

A Bill passed in the House of Representatives that will make it easier for Dems to win another presidential race by limiting grounds for electors to object.  The Bill also opens up the possibility of voting after Election Day.  Of course, post-Election Day voting can only happen if there is some sort of “catastrophe.”  So, I guess we can expect a “catastrophe” every presidential election from now on.  The Dems continue to look for other ways to cheat and intimidate voters who don’t vote for them.  There are some bright spots for voter integrity that are continuing.  There are also more and more top Democrats telling Democrat voters to vote for a Republican.  One example is Dems are rallying around Republican candidate for Governor Lee Zeldin from New York.

You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to see the economy tanking before our eyes.  Housing data is trending down, and inflation is trending up.  According to Nerd Wallet, it now costs the average family an extra $11,500 to live this year over last year.  Meanwhile, the Fed just raised rates again, and it is on track to raise them again and again and again to fight inflation, or is the Fed crashing the economy?  Maybe it’s both.  I think the Fed is really just supporting the U.S. dollar and the hell with everything else.  If the dollar crashes and loses reserve currency status, it’s game over.  Buckle up.

Join Greg Hunter of USAWatchdog.com as he talks about these stories and more in the Weekly News Wrap-Up for 9.23.22.

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Re: Putin's Speech on Ukraine September 21, 2022 Transcript
« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2022, 08:43:20 AM »
Admittedly I have not been following things too closely of late. But I'm curious to know something: does this partial mobilization on Russia's part change the billing of the military action in Ukraine (to war) or is it still considered a special military operation?
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Re: Putin's Speech on Ukraine September 21, 2022 Transcript
« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2022, 10:59:36 AM »
Hoist by my own petard! Thanks, Mark! But as  I noted shift the numbers by an order of magnitude and not much changes!

On the other hand, that tells us a different but still supportive story. The pics shown supporting the people leaving Russia by air make no sense, given that just one ( a crowd of purported men fleeing) would have accounted for a very large part of a 1% population of men taking flight. In fact, the pic was of passengers trying to lay hands on their luggage following some kind of baggage holdup.

BTW, why did I pick on 1%?
That's because very few people can afford to up sticks at a moment's notice and go to some other country for an indeterminate, likely permanent vacation.  One needs few family ties, plenty of money and a certain degree of, shall we say 'rugged individualism' some might say cowardice

For context during WW2 in the USA, 34.5 million men were called up, only 35,000 conscientious objectors refused to take up any role in the military or alternative service from a total of 72,354 objectors. If Mark can check my numbers, that's around 0.1%. :)
Conscientious objectors are not the same as purported cowards, but I figure that it is safe to assume 10 times as many cowards in the population than conscientious objectors.

Of course these men fleeing from duty are already unusual in that they have liquid wealth and the ability to immediately settle in a new country for the long-term. That's not how I'd immediately think of a coward, a man who is unable to cope with following his duty in a role that he was previously engaged in the regular army.

COs are, in my opinion rarely cowards and as we saw in WW2, were far from averse to serving their country in the war. In this case, the men called up were are reservists with military experience.

So, bottom line, I see no reason to believe the stories being told to the gullible around the world.

Not sure why so much propaganda is being made about current event in this conflict. At the onset of this silly conflict, millions of Ukrainian refugees left the country. Ukrainian males would have gone as well had it not been prevented and forced into combat by its own government.

Hell, over half a million Americans dodged the draft for the Vietnam war. People have personal reason why they don't want to be part of something/anything. Whatever that may be.

As for 'escalation'. What is happening now is 'not' an escalation by Russia. It is the regressive consequential chapter of the US escalatory intent and ambition since the fall of the Berlin wall.

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Re: Putin's Speech on Ukraine September 21, 2022 Transcript
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2022, 07:33:02 PM »
The new likely Russian strategy. Use a high number of under equipped solders to overrun Ukraine positions. The causality rate very high but somewhat effective. It is how Stalin conducted war. The question is, Is modern Russia ready for this level of causalities? I feel sorry for Steveboy's friends who likely do not know what they are getting into. There is no way of knowing how many in the end will be called up. What happens if they need more troops? Does the duma meet and just change everything again?

From article,

My gut feeling is that Putin doesn't really care for the inferior quality [of new troops being assembled]. So, my guess is that the overall aim of this is to make Ukraine run out of bullets before Russia runs out of soldiers. So, the instinct that they all will be used as cannon fodder here is probably right.

https://www.dw.com/en/putin-seeks-to-make-ukraine-run-out-of-bullets-before-russia-runs-out-of-soldiers/a-63220424
3) There has been no "threat" to invade Ukraine. The US invented that and fed it to a complicit media.


 

 

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