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Re: Propaganda War with John Pilger
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2022, 06:20:01 AM »

"If you take it from the russian side, without taking the side of russia ..." - nice observation.  tiphat
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Re: Propaganda War with John Pilger
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2022, 10:59:34 AM »

"If you take it from the russian side, without taking the side of russia ..." - nice observation.  tiphat


Yes I definitely agree. He's one of the few legitimate journalists left in the west in my estimation.


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Re: Propaganda War with John Pilger
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2022, 06:21:30 PM »
Roger Waters of Pink Floyd schools CNN.


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Re: Propaganda War with John Pilger
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2022, 08:32:20 AM »
Roger Waters of Pink Floyd schools CNN.


6:41. "CNN doesn't have on dissenting voices that often" - Really?  :laugh:
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Re: Propaganda War with John Pilger
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2022, 12:25:08 PM »

"If you take it from the russian side, without taking the side of russia ..." - nice observation.  tiphat


Yes I definitely agree. He's one of the few legitimate journalists left in the west in my estimation.

In the USA if a reporter does not tow the news company's line they get fired. In Russia if the news company does not tow the Russian propaganda line they get blown up. I know most of you do not see the difference.
3) There has been no "threat" to invade Ukraine. The US invented that and fed it to a complicit media.

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Re: Propaganda War with John Pilger
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2022, 04:11:42 PM »

In the USA if a reporter does not tow the news company's line they get fired. In Russia if the news company does not tow the Russian propaganda line they get blown up. I know most of you do not see the difference.

In fear of the job, or in fear of his/her life. Either way, the real news does not get reported because the reporters are afraid.
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Re: Propaganda War with John Pilger
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2022, 04:52:39 PM »

In the USA if a reporter does not tow the news company's line they get fired. In Russia if the news company does not tow the Russian propaganda line they get blown up. I know most of you do not see the difference.

In fear of the job, or in fear of his/her life. Either way, the real news does not get reported because the reporters are afraid.

We have different companies with different viewpoints. In Russia there is only one viewpoint.
3) There has been no "threat" to invade Ukraine. The US invented that and fed it to a complicit media.

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Re: Propaganda War with John Pilger
« Reply #8 on: September 02, 2022, 06:37:57 PM »
We have different companies with different viewpoints. In Russia there is only one viewpoint.
You have only 1 viewpoint in Western media. The sad part is that most people don't realise that truth exists. in the USA its always pro-USA, in Europe its always Pro-Europe, etc.



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Re: Propaganda War with John Pilger
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2022, 01:12:52 AM »

"If you take it from the russian side, without taking the side of russia ..." - nice observation.  tiphat


Yes I definitely agree. He's one of the few legitimate journalists left in the west in my estimation.

In the USA if a reporter does not tow the news company's line they get fired. In Russia if the news company does not tow the Russian propaganda line they get blown up. I know most of you do not see the difference.


You're obviously delusional and not that intelligent to write such nonsense. Multiple journalists have been killed by the USA. Snowden a real journalist was threatened to be hung by the neck until dead by a douche bag former CIA director.

Jullan Assange a real journalist (at least most believe he is, there is a remote chance he's not who we think he is) would spend life in prison if brought to the USA.

Multiple real journalists in the Middle East who have exposed US warmongering and war profiteering have been threatened. There is one key journalist who was murdered by the CIA while driving his car in Los Angeles. Of course the CIA denies that. How many dead or harmed journalists do we not know about who asked the wrong questions?

You truly are naive to the max. Who do you really think killed protestors at Maidan way back when? Again you live in a fantasy world.

Carry on Tex!  :chuckle:

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Re: Propaganda War with John Pilger
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2022, 05:50:00 AM »

 Who do you really think killed protestors at Maidan way back when?


The only country who benefited. RUSSIA!!! Destabilize the government in Ukraine to start war in Donbas and the takeover of Crimea.  Wake up and see who is really delusional!!!

As long as the Republican keep supporting D. Trump, they do not stand much chance of winning much. Corruption to a new level in USA history then complain and complain about being a victim. Get over it he just lost!!!!

Sara Palen, indorsed by Trump, also just lost to a democrat. The Dems are hoping Trumps runs again as they know he cannot win. Then there will be more 4 years of Trump complaining and Biden President because of Trump trying to tear down the country because they did not vote for him. Only the right-wing NAZI in the USA want Trump.  He has completely lost middle America.
3) There has been no "threat" to invade Ukraine. The US invented that and fed it to a complicit media.

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Re: Propaganda War with John Pilger
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2022, 04:20:18 AM »

 Who do you really think killed protestors at Maidan way back when?


The only country who benefited. RUSSIA!!! Destabilize the government in Ukraine to start war in Donbas and the takeover of Crimea.  Wake up and see who is really delusional!!!

As long as the Republican keep supporting D. Trump, they do not stand much chance of winning much. Corruption to a new level in USA history then complain and complain about being a victim. Get over it he just lost!!!!

Sara Palen, indorsed by Trump, also just lost to a democrat. The Dems are hoping Trumps runs again as they know he cannot win. Then there will be more 4 years of Trump complaining and Biden President because of Trump trying to tear down the country because they did not vote for him. Only the right-wing NAZI in the USA want Trump.  He has completely lost middle America.

You’ve completely lost the plot.

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Re: Propaganda War with John Pilger
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2022, 04:30:01 AM »

 Who do you really think killed protestors at Maidan way back when?


The only country who benefited. RUSSIA!!! Destabilize the government in Ukraine to start war in Donbas and the takeover of Crimea.  Wake up and see who is really delusional!!!

As long as the Republican keep supporting D. Trump, they do not stand much chance of winning much. Corruption to a new level in USA history then complain and complain about being a victim. Get over it he just lost!!!!

Sara Palen, indorsed by Trump, also just lost to a democrat. The Dems are hoping Trumps runs again as they know he cannot win. Then there will be more 4 years of Trump complaining and Biden President because of Trump trying to tear down the country because they did not vote for him. Only the right-wing NAZI in the USA want Trump.  He has completely lost middle America.

Does the names, Victoria Nulan and G> Payat ring a bell or you forgot who organised the Cup d'etat is february 2014 and spent 5 Billion dollars?

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Re: Propaganda War with John Pilger
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2022, 07:12:19 AM »

 Who do you really think killed protestors at Maidan way back when?


The only country who benefited. RUSSIA!!! Destabilize the government in Ukraine to start war in Donbas and the takeover of Crimea.  Wake up and see who is really delusional!!!

As long as the Republican keep supporting D. Trump, they do not stand much chance of winning much. Corruption to a new level in USA history then complain and complain about being a victim. Get over it he just lost!!!!

Sara Palen, indorsed by Trump, also just lost to a democrat. The Dems are hoping Trumps runs again as they know he cannot win. Then there will be more 4 years of Trump complaining and Biden President because of Trump trying to tear down the country because they did not vote for him. Only the right-wing NAZI in the USA want Trump.  He has completely lost middle America.

You’ve completely lost the plot.

Tex like relationships, the world is a complicated thing. I fear you see everything from a black and white perspective that is American centric. That is not healthy and gives you a biased perspective.

Try to study other sites and understand other viewpoints.
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Re: Propaganda War with John Pilger
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2022, 09:27:06 AM »

"If you take it from the russian side, without taking the side of russia ..." - nice observation.  tiphat

How refreshing to hear truths in the sea of lies and propaganda.

For as long as the US can spend its taxpayers money to encourage, coerce and stooge countries to send its people to slaughter, they'll do so insatiably.

Yes, we learned our lessons from Vietnam. For a few billion dollars, we can serve our purpose without having to sacrifice our own. There's enough desperate, stupid nations willing to fill that void for us.

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« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2022, 10:51:36 AM »

 Who do you really think killed protestors at Maidan way back when?


The only country who benefited. RUSSIA!!! Destabilize the government in Ukraine to start war in Donbas and the takeover of Crimea.  Wake up and see who is really delusional!!!

As long as the Republican keep supporting D. Trump, they do not stand much chance of winning much. Corruption to a new level in USA history then complain and complain about being a victim. Get over it he just lost!!!!

Sara Palen, indorsed by Trump, also just lost to a democrat. The Dems are hoping Trumps runs again as they know he cannot win. Then there will be more 4 years of Trump complaining and Biden President because of Trump trying to tear down the country because they did not vote for him. Only the right-wing NAZI in the USA want Trump.  He has completely lost middle America.

You’ve completely lost the plot.

The plot was to take over Ukraine by giving the then president of the country to give it away. Maden made that impossible, so Russia wanted to destabilize the country by killing protesters.  Now Russia admits they want to take the whole of Ukraine which has always been the plan, but the method has changed.
3) There has been no "threat" to invade Ukraine. The US invented that and fed it to a complicit media.

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Re: Propaganda War with John Pilger
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2022, 02:41:11 PM »

 Who do you really think killed protestors at Maidan way back when?


The only country who benefited. RUSSIA!!! Destabilize the government in Ukraine to start war in Donbas and the takeover of Crimea.  Wake up and see who is really delusional!!!

As long as the Republican keep supporting D. Trump, they do not stand much chance of winning much. Corruption to a new level in USA history then complain and complain about being a victim. Get over it he just lost!!!!

Sara Palen, indorsed by Trump, also just lost to a democrat. The Dems are hoping Trumps runs again as they know he cannot win. Then there will be more 4 years of Trump complaining and Biden President because of Trump trying to tear down the country because they did not vote for him. Only the right-wing NAZI in the USA want Trump.  He has completely lost middle America.

You've completely lost the plot.

The plot was to take over Ukraine by giving the then president of the country to give it away. Maden made that impossible, so Russia wanted to destabilize the country by killing protesters.  Now Russia admits they want to take the whole of Ukraine which has always been the plan, but the method has changed.

Not only you lost the plot but also you are posting a lot of propaganda.  I hope they pay you well so you can iinvite your girl from Poland to come and stay with you"

Even AvHdB advised you ti stop posting propaganda.
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Re: Propaganda War with John Pilger
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2022, 09:37:31 PM »
Yanovich was being paid to hand Ukraine over to Russia and that is why Maden happened. You can believe it or not.  If not, then why are we at war now. It was always Russia intent to own Ukraine one way or the other.
3) There has been no "threat" to invade Ukraine. The US invented that and fed it to a complicit media.

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Re: Propaganda War with John Pilger
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2022, 09:46:12 PM »
Yanovich was being paid to hand Ukraine over to Russia and that is why Maden happened. You can believe it or not.  If not, then why are we at war now. It was always Russia intent to own Ukraine one way or the other.

"why are we at war now".

Simple answer for the simpleton.

So that warmongers and war profiteers in both houses of the US Congress and also many MP's in the UK can make some $$$
off of human and animal suffering, misery and death. It's highly doubtful that Ukraine will win this war in the end.

IF the economy in Russia gets bad enough and there is a change in leadership all of the warmongers who engineered this horrible conflict into existence will then claim "it was worth it".

Translation:

it's not their children or them who are suffering and dying, it was Ukrainian and Russian cousins who suffered and died.

But it will be "worth" it for the war profiteers either way.

Only some time in the future when soldiers on both sides of a conflict put down all of their weapons and have an eternal truce will the evil ones lose their power.

Sadly the World appears to have a long ways to go.

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Re: Propaganda War with John Pilger
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2022, 10:03:04 PM »
If you want to believe Russian Nazi propaganda it is your business.
3) There has been no "threat" to invade Ukraine. The US invented that and fed it to a complicit media.

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Re: Propaganda War with John Pilger
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2022, 04:25:08 AM »

 Who do you really think killed protestors at Maidan way back when?


The only country who benefited. RUSSIA!!! Destabilize the government in Ukraine to start war in Donbas and the takeover of Crimea.  Wake up and see who is really delusional!!!

As long as the Republican keep supporting D. Trump, they do not stand much chance of winning much. Corruption to a new level in USA history then complain and complain about being a victim. Get over it he just lost!!!!

Sara Palen, indorsed by Trump, also just lost to a democrat. The Dems are hoping Trumps runs again as they know he cannot win. Then there will be more 4 years of Trump complaining and Biden President because of Trump trying to tear down the country because they did not vote for him. Only the right-wing NAZI in the USA want Trump.  He has completely lost middle America.

You’ve completely lost the plot.

The plot was to take over Ukraine by giving the then president of the country to give it away. Maden made that impossible, so Russia wanted to destabilize the country by killing protesters.  Now Russia admits they want to take the whole of Ukraine which has always been the plan, but the method has changed.

My original post still applies.

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Re: Propaganda War with John Pilger
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2022, 04:41:15 AM »
If not, then why are we at war now.

So you've got one thing right. Whether intentional or not, the fact that you refer to it as we, seems to suggest that you understand that this is bigger than Russia v Ukraine. The fact that you used the word we, at least acknowledges the influence America and the West has had in getting this conflict successfully up and running.

This is a proxy war, instigated, started and fought between Russia and the West, which has been in the making for decades. Ukraine is the battle ground. The West, MSM and simpletons like you continue to peddle the lame maniac nazi Putin world domination story, whilst the real world can see it for what it really is. Whether its morally right or not isn't the issue, the fact remains that WE shouldn't have been influencing, investing or encouraging Russia's neighbours to turn their back on them. A retard could literally see what would happen if this continued.

WE are fighting Russia by arming Ukraine and letting them do the dirty work. WE will fight this war to the very last Ukrainian. I find it astonishing how blinkered you are. Our corrupt leaders rely on thick people eating and accepting the shit sandwiches they feed us.

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Re: Propaganda War with John Pilger
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2022, 05:36:49 AM »

So you've got one thing right. Whether intentional or not, the fact that you refer to it as we, seems to suggest that you understand that this is bigger than Russia v Ukraine. The fact that you used the word we, at least acknowledges the influence America and the West has had in getting this conflict successfully up and running.

This is a proxy war, instigated, started and fought between Russia and the West, which has been in the making for decades. Ukraine is the battle ground. The West, MSM and simpletons like you continue to peddle the lame maniac nazi Putin world domination story, whilst the real world can see it for what it really is. Whether its morally right or not isn't the issue, the fact remains that WE shouldn't have been influencing, investing or encouraging Russia's neighbours to turn their back on them. A retard could literally see what would happen if this continued.

WE are fighting Russia by arming Ukraine and letting them do the dirty work. WE will fight this war to the very last Ukrainian. I find it astonishing how blinkered you are. Our corrupt leaders rely on thick people eating and accepting the shit sandwiches they feed us.

Why do you waste time trying to wrestle with a pig?  You could come down from Mt. Siani with stone talets and it wouldn't matter. ???
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