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Profiteering from the Ukrainian conflict
« on: July 01, 2022, 08:14:23 AM »
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Re: Profiteering from the Ukrainian conflict
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2022, 10:19:35 AM »
So, who is making BIG profits??

https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/15045989?utm_source=news.mail.ru&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=informer

Interesting article, well worth a read. Nothing particularly new, for some readers but may be a surprise to some readers here. The piece is compactly written and information-dense.
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Re: Profiteering from the Ukrainian conflict
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2022, 12:45:46 PM »
The biggest profiteer from the Ukraine war will be Russia, if Russia wins control of Ukraine. With the oil and gas reserves in Ukraine Russia will control even more of the energy needed to power the world's economy.

Ukraine is also an important source of cereals and grains exported to countries around the world. Russia has already been accused of stealing cereals and grains from silos in Ukraine, thus depriving much needed shipments of goods to many 3rd world countries.

Taking control of the coastline of Ukraine from Russia to Moldova would give Russia control of fishing and control of all rights to the seabed around Ukraine, another very valuable resource. It would also mean there's a land bridge from Russia to Moldova. Makes sending supplies by land to Crimea and Transnistria much easier and faster.

In short the biggest winner of the Ukraine war will most certainly be Russia if Russia wins the war. OTOH if Russia is forced to retreat back to Russia without substantial gains Russia could end up being the big loser. Maybe even a much bigger loser than before the war if Russia is forced to give up territory in the Donbas.
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Re: Profiteering from the Ukrainian conflict
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2022, 02:26:32 PM »
The biggest profiteer from the Ukraine war will be Russia, if Russia wins control of Ukraine. With the oil and gas reserves in Ukraine Russia will control even more of the energy needed to power the world's economy.

Ukraine is also an important source of cereals and grains exported to countries around the world. Russia has already been accused of stealing cereals and grains from silos in Ukraine, thus depriving much needed shipments of goods to many 3rd world countries.

Taking control of the coastline of Ukraine from Russia to Moldova would give Russia control of fishing and control of all rights to the seabed around Ukraine, another very valuable resource. It would also mean there's a land bridge from Russia to Moldova. Makes sending supplies by land to Crimea and Transnistria much easier and faster.

In short the biggest winner of the Ukraine war will most certainly be Russia if Russia wins the war. OTOH if Russia is forced to retreat back to Russia without substantial gains Russia could end up being the big loser. Maybe even a much bigger loser than before the war if Russia is forced to give up territory in the Donbas.

Ukies have about 1T cu/m of gas reserves, about 1% of the worlds reserves..
Oil, well, thats about 385M Barrels, much less than 1% of worlds reserves..
Grain, they supply less than about 4% of the worlds (to date) annual needs..
Fish etc, I'm not into...

If you were to read the link, then you would realise that the US of A will benefit the most, both from a prolonged situation in Ukraine, or a stalemate/loss..
Russia is not going to lose what it already has taken, and probably will get much more before the job is done..

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Re: Profiteering from the Ukrainian conflict
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2022, 02:35:12 PM »
The biggest profiteer from the Ukraine war will be Russia, if Russia wins control of Ukraine. With the oil and gas reserves in Ukraine Russia will control even more of the energy needed to power the world's economy.

Ukraine is also an important source of cereals and grains exported to countries around the world. Russia has already been accused of stealing cereals and grains from silos in Ukraine, thus depriving much needed shipments of goods to many 3rd world countries.

Taking control of the coastline of Ukraine from Russia to Moldova would give Russia control of fishing and control of all rights to the seabed around Ukraine, another very valuable resource. It would also mean there's a land bridge from Russia to Moldova. Makes sending supplies by land to Crimea and Transnistria much easier and faster.

In short the biggest winner of the Ukraine war will most certainly be Russia if Russia wins the war. OTOH if Russia is forced to retreat back to Russia without substantial gains Russia could end up being the big loser. Maybe even a much bigger loser than before the war if Russia is forced to give up territory in the Donbas.

Ukies have about 1T cu/m of gas reserves, about 1% of the worlds reserves..
Oil, well, thats about 385M Barrels, much less than 1% of worlds reserves..
Grain, they supply less than about 4% of the worlds (to date) annual needs..
Fish etc, I'm not into...

If you were to read the link, then you would realise that the US of A will benefit the most, both from a prolonged situation in Ukraine, or a stalemate/loss..
Russia is not going to lose what it already has taken, and probably will get much more before the job is done..

There, I told myself that I would not engage with you, BUT!!! someone has to debunk your crap...

Gypsy, I have noted the same in other threads.

With the exception of cereals Ukraine does not have that much resources, with the exception of the red granite for Red Square and a decent amount of mineable uranium. I believe the country is in the top ten there.

I am doing this from memory so please do not get bent out of shape if I am wrong. The reality is Ukraine pre 2014 should be able to pursue what the citizens desire.
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Re: Profiteering from the Ukrainian conflict
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2022, 02:49:49 PM »
The biggest profiteer from the Ukraine war will be Russia, if Russia wins control of Ukraine. With the oil and gas reserves in Ukraine Russia will control even more of the energy needed to power the world's economy.

Ukraine is also an important source of cereals and grains exported to countries around the world. Russia has already been accused of stealing cereals and grains from silos in Ukraine, thus depriving much needed shipments of goods to many 3rd world countries.

Taking control of the coastline of Ukraine from Russia to Moldova would give Russia control of fishing and control of all rights to the seabed around Ukraine, another very valuable resource. It would also mean there's a land bridge from Russia to Moldova. Makes sending supplies by land to Crimea and Transnistria much easier and faster.

In short the biggest winner of the Ukraine war will most certainly be Russia if Russia wins the war. OTOH if Russia is forced to retreat back to Russia without substantial gains Russia could end up being the big loser. Maybe even a much bigger loser than before the war if Russia is forced to give up territory in the Donbas.

Ukies have about 1T cu/m of gas reserves, about 1% of the worlds reserves..
Oil, well, thats about 385M Barrels, much less than 1% of worlds reserves..
Grain, they supply less than about 4% of the worlds (to date) annual needs..
Fish etc, I'm not into...

If you were to read the link, then you would realise that the US of A will benefit the most, both from a prolonged situation in Ukraine, or a stalemate/loss..
Russia is not going to lose what it already has taken, and probably will get much more before the job is done..

There, I told myself that I would not engage with you, BUT!!! someone has to debunk your crap...

Gypsy, I have noted the same in other threads.

With the exception of cereals Ukraine does not have that much resources, with the exception of the red granite for Red Square and a decent amount of mineable uranium. I believe the country is in the top ten there.

I am doing this from memory so please do not get bent out of shape if I am wrong. The reality is Ukraine pre 2014 should be able to pursue what the citizens desire.


You missed out on coal, which btw, will not be needed for much longer of Greta gets her way..
I also agree that Ukrainian citizens should get their desires, pity the Ukie govt doesn't agree with that.. If they had, then the Crimea's referendum would have been recognised, the Donbass areas would have been given the autonomy they wished for, and none of this crap would have happened...
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Re: Profiteering from the Ukrainian conflict
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2022, 03:20:58 PM »
The biggest profiteer from the Ukraine war will be Russia, if Russia wins control of Ukraine. With the oil and gas reserves in Ukraine Russia will control even more of the energy needed to power the world's economy.

Ukraine is also an important source of cereals and grains exported to countries around the world. Russia has already been accused of stealing cereals and grains from silos in Ukraine, thus depriving much needed shipments of goods to many 3rd world countries.

Taking control of the coastline of Ukraine from Russia to Moldova would give Russia control of fishing and control of all rights to the seabed around Ukraine, another very valuable resource. It would also mean there's a land bridge from Russia to Moldova. Makes sending supplies by land to Crimea and Transnistria much easier and faster.

In short the biggest winner of the Ukraine war will most certainly be Russia if Russia wins the war. OTOH if Russia is forced to retreat back to Russia without substantial gains Russia could end up being the big loser. Maybe even a much bigger loser than before the war if Russia is forced to give up territory in the Donbas.

Ukies have about 1T cu/m of gas reserves, about 1% of the worlds reserves..
Oil, well, thats about 385M Barrels, much less than 1% of worlds reserves..
Grain, they supply less than about 4% of the worlds (to date) annual needs..
Fish etc, I'm not into...

If you were to read the link, then you would realise that the US of A will benefit the most, both from a prolonged situation in Ukraine, or a stalemate/loss..
Russia is not going to lose what it already has taken, and probably will get much more before the job is done..

There, I told myself that I would not engage with you, BUT!!! someone has to debunk your crap...

I can understand you not wanting to engage with me, it's easy for me to prove you wrong. In what way have you debunked me? I post sources you post insults.

According to my sources, link below, "Ukraine, a major agricultural producer that is among the world’s largest corn and wheat exporters".

You've only listed some of what Ukraine has and therefore what Russia would get if it controls Ukraine. What you didn't list is that Russia would have the riches of the seafloor of Ukraine. The vital link of a land bridge from Russia to Moldova is important to Russia as it makes supplying Crimea easier and would add in the Russian takeover of Moldova.

Gipsy how is the USA going to benefit more than Russia?

The article is from Tass, a major Russian state-owned news agency. Of course they're going to post BS about the US.


https://www.world-grain.com/articles/16997-ukraine-grain-exports-reach-472-million-tonnes-so-far-for-2021-22
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Re: Profiteering from the Ukrainian conflict
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2022, 03:58:16 PM »


Ukies have about 1T cu/m of gas reserves, about 1% of the worlds reserves..
Oil, well, thats about 385M Barrels, much less than 1% of worlds reserves..
Grain, they supply less than about 4% of the worlds (to date) annual needs..
Fish etc, I'm not into...

If you were to read the link, then you would realise that the US of A will benefit the most, both from a prolonged situation in Ukraine, or a stalemate/loss..
Russia is not going to lose what it already has taken, and probably will get much more before the job is done..

There, I told myself that I would not engage with you, BUT!!! someone has to debunk your crap...

I can understand you not wanting to engage with me, it's easy for me to prove you wrong. In what way have you debunked me? I post sources you post insults.

According to my sources, link below, "Ukraine, a major agricultural producer that is among the world’s largest corn and wheat exporters".

You've only listed some of what Ukraine has and therefore what Russia would get if it controls Ukraine. What you didn't list is that Russia would have the riches of the seafloor of Ukraine. The vital link of a land bridge from Russia to Moldova is important to Russia as it makes supplying Crimea easier and would add in the Russian takeover of Moldova.

Gipsy how is the USA going to benefit more than Russia?

The article is from Tass, a major Russian state-owned news agency. Of course they're going to post BS about the US.


https://www.world-grain.com/articles/16997-ukraine-grain-exports-reach-472-million-tonnes-so-far-for-2021-22

The world consumes around 2.2B tons of grain pa (increasing annually), The Ukies export around 35M tons pa, which is around 4% of the worlds needs as I said, Do you agree with that???
If you read the article, and sat in your armchair and thought about it, you would most likely see that although its from a ru source, its factually on the ball..
Forget Crimea/land bridge and all that twaddle, it has no bearing on the fact that the US is not only going to make big profits from the situation, and that the Ukies will have to pay back around 58B$ + interest (so far) to the US under the lend/lease agreement...
Now stop being so mobyish, you were banned by your hero legal beagle elsewhere remember for your silliness.
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Re: Profiteering from the Ukrainian conflict
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2022, 04:47:32 PM »


Ukies have about 1T cu/m of gas reserves, about 1% of the worlds reserves..
Oil, well, thats about 385M Barrels, much less than 1% of worlds reserves..
Grain, they supply less than about 4% of the worlds (to date) annual needs..
Fish etc, I'm not into...

If you were to read the link, then you would realise that the US of A will benefit the most, both from a prolonged situation in Ukraine, or a stalemate/loss..
Russia is not going to lose what it already has taken, and probably will get much more before the job is done..

There, I told myself that I would not engage with you, BUT!!! someone has to debunk your crap...

I can understand you not wanting to engage with me, it's easy for me to prove you wrong. In what way have you debunked me? I post sources you post insults.

According to my sources, link below, "Ukraine, a major agricultural producer that is among the world’s largest corn and wheat exporters".

You've only listed some of what Ukraine has and therefore what Russia would get if it controls Ukraine. What you didn't list is that Russia would have the riches of the seafloor of Ukraine. The vital link of a land bridge from Russia to Moldova is important to Russia as it makes supplying Crimea easier and would add in the Russian takeover of Moldova.

Gipsy how is the USA going to benefit more than Russia?

The article is from Tass, a major Russian state-owned news agency. Of course they're going to post BS about the US.


https://www.world-grain.com/articles/16997-ukraine-grain-exports-reach-472-million-tonnes-so-far-for-2021-22
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The world consumes around 2.2B tons of grain pa (increasing annually), The Ukies export around 35M tons pa, which is around 4% of the worlds needs as I said, Do you agree with that???


I've seen higher. Let's agree to 40M pa it'll make the math easier. Why don't you post sources? Here's mine.
https://www.reuters.com/article/grains-ukraine-exports-idUKL8N2BQ2M3
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If you read the article, and sat in your armchair and thought about it, you would most likely see that although its from a ru source, its factually on the ball..

Don't see a source so can't agree to that. Usually I sit in an office chair when working on my computer. Do you sit in an armchair while doing computer work?
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Forget Crimea/land bridge and all that twaddle

Why would I forget about the land bridge from Russia to Moldova? It's one of the reasons Putin invaded. If Putin makes Ukraine into a landlocked country he doesn't need to conquer all of Ukraine at once he can take his time and conquer the rest later.
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it has no bearing on the fact that the US is not only going to make big profits from the situation, and that the Ukies will have to pay back around 58B$ + interest (so far) to the US under the lend/lease agreement...
Now stop being so mobyish, you were banned by your hero legal beagle elsewhere remember for your silliness.
Btw, so far, I have Not insulted you....

Have you seen the American government's lend/lease agreement? I haven't. If you have a copy of it please post. If the lend/lease of American military equipment keeps Ukraine from being taken over by Russia that's a fair price to pay. BTW lend/lease agreements are paid over the course of many decades

You think I'm Moby? I have no idea what "you were banned by your hero legal beagle elsewhere remember for your silliness." Means. If you think I'm Moby and saying I've been banned elsewhere then yes you've insulted me. Please post evidence of me being Moby and me being banned elsewhere.

Please tell me where I've been banned before or will you be like Andy, rosco, Contrarian and others who just disappear when they can't answer rather simple questions?
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Re: Profiteering from the Ukrainian conflict
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2022, 09:00:11 PM »
The lend lease means we will lend the government of Ukraine military equipment. At the end of the war the lend is over and Ukraine is supposed to return the equipment that was not destroyed. Ukraine pays nothing for the equipment during the war, nothing for the equipment returned after the war and nothing for the equipment destroyed during the war.   If we rebuild Ukraine, the government is supposed to repay for the cost rebuilding and any equipment they decide to keep after the war over a period of many years. I would hardly call this some form of profit.

There is a profit to this. If Ukraine is able to reduce the threat from Russia, then the USA can spend less money on defense.

I do not know where you get the idea that the USA is benefiting from the war. The high energy prices are a drag on the USA economy like it is the economies of all of Europe. Yes, some oil companies might benefit but overall, it is not better for the country and is hurting Biden pole number. Truckers are beginning to park truck over high fuel prices and the high fuel prices are causing inflation. In order to control inflation, the fed reserve is having to raise interest rates and it is slowing down the whole US economy.
3) There has been no "threat" to invade Ukraine. The US invented that and fed it to a complicit media.

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Re: Profiteering from the Ukrainian conflict
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2022, 04:39:30 AM »

I can understand you not wanting to engage with me, it's easy for me to prove you wrong. In what way have you debunked me? I post sources you post insults.


WADR, CNBC? MSNBC? Seriously?  :chuckle:
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Re: Profiteering from the Ukrainian conflict
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2022, 06:38:20 AM »
Texan77, it would seem that you did not trouble yourself to read the linked article. Perhaps you could not understand it?

I can perhaps reassure you by confirming that it is not a hard read. If it was beyond you then you might ask your sugar baby for help - she will at least understand the original language and like many from that part of the world probably has a passably decent education.

When you have done the reading you will know things that you do not, at the moment, know. You'll be able to join in a discussion based upon facts rather than fantasy and might even be able to manage a worthwhile opinion.
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Re: Profiteering from the Ukrainian conflict
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2022, 07:23:18 AM »
The biggest profiteer from the Ukraine war will be Russia, if Russia wins control of Ukraine. With the oil and gas reserves in Ukraine Russia will control even more of the energy needed to power the world's economy.

 
I remain convinced that had Russia not taken this action the west would have continued to have lured Ukraine into it's orbit...and ultimately, the consequences would have been bad for Russia. 
So yes, in my opinion Russia stands to gain control over resources they otherwise would have had working against them. 

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Re: Profiteering from the Ukrainian conflict
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2022, 07:30:48 AM »

There is a profit to this. If Ukraine is able to reduce the threat from Russia, then the USA can spend less money on defense.

It seems the US winds up spending more and more on 'defense'.   It is clear that China will be the future 'demon', and I don't think we will be able to match a determined China.  If China decides to devote more of its capacity to weaponry, they will overwhelm the US's ability to produce weapons.  they already outnumber us by a lot.  Apparently, the US thinks it has to use miliary force to remain near the top of the food chain.  So, Ukraine is proving to be quite useful in that regard. 

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Re: Profiteering from the Ukrainian conflict
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2022, 11:56:35 AM »

it has no bearing on the fact that the US is not only going to make big profits from the situation, and that the Ukies will have to pay back around 58B$ + interest (so far) to the US under the lend/lease agreement...
Now stop being so mobyish, you were banned by your hero legal beagle elsewhere remember for your silliness.
Btw, so far, I have Not insulted you....
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Have you seen the American government's lend/lease agreement? I haven't. If you have a copy of it please post. If the lend/lease of American military equipment keeps Ukraine from being taken over by Russia that's a fair price to pay. BTW lend/lease agreements are paid over the course of many decades

You think I'm Moby? I have no idea what "you were banned by your hero legal beagle elsewhere remember for your silliness." Means. If you think I'm Moby and saying I've been banned elsewhere then yes you've insulted me. Please post evidence of me being Moby and me being banned elsewhere.

Please tell me where I've been banned before or will you be like Andy, rosco, Contrarian and others who just disappear when they can't answer rather simple questions?
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I have not disappeared, but have had enough of your moose crap..
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/3522/text
Lend lease agreement Ukraine...
It seems to me that much of the time, wherever you post, you are trying to show everyone that you know better then they, or want some link that supports comments/facts which do not pass your thick skull, and even where something is linked, you question the poster rather than the link and return with links which support your theories, you are mostly an obnoxious little old man... Who cannot even read what people write..
I did not say that you were moby at all, I said that you were being very mobyish, can you understand the difference???
If I recall correctly, you were banned by Halo aka Boethius over the road, am I wrong??? were you banned for your moose crap???
To return to the original post, The US will/is profiting from the Ukraine situation, and will continue to increase said income the longer the situation continues, all the while, Ukraine will have more and more debt to the US, without its debt to other supporters, the country cannot even pay interest on the debts its accumulated over the last decade or so...
You are wrong to state that a certain person knows more about Ukraine that anyone else here, just as you are wrong for stating that there are no persons here who have served in some military or other, been in places in a warlike situation, commanded troops, or have no knowledge of military things, you don't know anything about the majority of persons on this site....
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Re: Profiteering from the Ukrainian conflict
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2022, 12:28:18 PM »
Westcoast, when I post here it is share and to learn. I am not your unpaid private tutor or analyst. You can have no expectation of interaction with me. You are a very low-value person too lazy or too dumb to be able to make yourself a person of value.

So, if I choose to give you the benefit of my time, be grateful, but understand that when I do so, almost invariably, it is for the benefit of other people and not yourself. So, I do not answer your questions that are demonstrating to me that you have not even bothered to read the posts or links I share.
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Re: Profiteering from the Ukrainian conflict
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2022, 12:42:20 PM »
Westcoast, when I post here it is share and to learn. I am not your unpaid private tutor or analyst. You can have no expectation of interaction with me. You are a very low-value person too lazy or too dumb to be able to make yourself a person of value.

So, if I choose to give you the benefit of my time, be grateful, but understand that when I do so, almost invariably, it is for the benefit of other people and not yourself. So, I do not answer your questions that are demonstrating to me that you have not even bothered to read the posts or links I share.

Andy I never look to you to learn. IMO much of what you post amounts to some type of con job. I can't imagine you being anyone's tutor.

Still working on the false flag scenario? 
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Re: Profiteering from the Ukrainian conflict
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2022, 02:12:01 PM »
Westcoast, if you don't have interest in what I write then why badger me for more information?

Why are you insisting on an explanation for something that I have not ever written about?

Westcoast, you are clearly dishonest as well as lazy and dumb. But please, for your own self respect, be honest with yourself!
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Re: Profiteering from the Ukrainian conflict
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2022, 02:14:04 PM »
........or will you be like........Rosco, Contrarian and others who just disappear when they can't answer rather simple questions?


Nobody has disappeared.

You have been answered and received detailed explanations multiple times however due to the fact that you're extremely dense most of us are not going to engage with you very much at all and if we do it is for the benefit of others, not you.

You're obviously a blue pill type of guy and that's where your comfort zone is. Types like you rarely wake up from extensive brain washing and indoctrination.

Remember this post.

1. I did not say that Ukraine should withdraw, I clearly wrote in plain English that they should change their tactics. Try going back and reading what was actually written. 

2. Halo might have a better knowledge of Ukraine in some ways and in others not so much. When she has been proven wrong she has apparently resorted to deleting posts which embarrass her and locking threads. Knowledge of the language and culture in a myopic and emotional way does not ensure rational analysis.

3. You were in banking at some point in your life, correct?

Do you own a plethora of defense stocks? You're literally making a killing off of human suffering and killing.

No wonder you're so eager to support such a tragedy. You condemn Andy as being a paid Putin troll which he might very well be meanwhile you are a well paid lobbyist of sorts.

WestCoast you're not much of a man are you?

So I went back and read your posts and you literally used the word 'withdraw'. Remember now? You said the Ukrainian military should withdraw.


While I really despise the mercenaries and troops who've committed crimes against Ukrainian soldiers and civilians, the tragic truth is that 1,000 or more young Ukrainian soldiers are losing their lives every 10 days.

Their wives, girlfriends, Mothers, Fathers and friends will be sad until the end of time. They will not be around to have beautiful Ukrainian children in order to rebuild the nation someday.

At this point it would clearly be better to withdraw completely from most of the east of Ukraine and prepare to defend Odessa and Mykoliv and other cities in that area. Eventually the Russians are likely going to be forced to withdraw from much of the east for economic reasons.

However for now it would clearly be best to make some land concessions in order that soldiers and others may live in order to rebuild their nation someday in the future.

It's clear to some of us that members on both sides of the US Congress and the UK have been war profiteering off of the human suffering and loss of life in Ukraine.

It's time to acknowledge some very difficult truths and plan for better days in the future. Ukraine will someday realize the truth about the US and others.  :(

Again there are other examples of you saying the Ukrainian military should withdraw. Why are your opinions of this war better than mine?

You know what I have done for a living why not share what you do? We know you're not a soldier so what do you do that makes your opinion of the Ukrainian war so much better than mine?
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Re: Profiteering from the Ukrainian conflict
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2022, 02:24:17 PM »
Westcoast, if you don't have interest in what I write then why badger me for more information?

Why are you insisting on an explanation for something that I have not ever written about?

Westcoast, you are clearly dishonest as well as lazy and dumb. But please, for your own self respect, be honest with yourself!

Sometimes I ask you why you post because most of the time, as with the missile attack on the mall, your posts are so far from reality I honestly think you're trying to post a false flag event or you're being paid to post something as part of a Russian disinformation campaign.

Your posts about the Russian attack on the Amstor Mall in Kremenchuk were so far from reality your posts only made sense if you were trying to set the mall attack up as a false flag event or if you were participating in a Russian disinformation campaign.

Even when I posted proof that it was Google that had stopped allowing reviews Ukraine wide on the Google maps you continued insisting that it was part of some conspiracy and that the mall was closed.

Now, today, Manny's insisting that the mall was closed because there haven't been any reviews on Google maps for 4 months. Embarrassing for both of you.
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Re: Profiteering from the Ukrainian conflict
« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2022, 02:38:15 PM »
Westcoast stop lying. You did not even read the information I shared. Had you done so you could not have written what you just did - not unless you have been lying to us.

I have sympathy for the handicapped. I try to help them when I can. But dishonest people - people like you - disgusting.

You're a thief of time. Yes, you're not very bright. But there are less capable people than you for whom I have great respect.

You're not clever enough to be dishonest and get away with it.

You're the stuff I wipe off the sole of my shoe.
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Re: Profiteering from the Ukrainian conflict
« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2022, 02:46:32 PM »
WC yet again being dishonest and deliberately obtuse, takes what I wrote and distills it down to one sentence, thus taking the entirety of what I wrote out of context.

Here is the entirety of what I wrote, for the benefit of those who have a brain and are honest.

Their wives, girlfriends, Mothers, Fathers and friends will be sad until the end of time. They will not be around to have beautiful Ukrainian children in order to rebuild the nation someday.

At this point it would clearly be better to withdraw completely from most of the east of Ukraine and prepare to defend Odessa and Mykoliv and other cities in that area.
Eventually the Russians are likely going to be forced to withdraw from much of the east for economic reasons.

However for now it would clearly be best to make some land concessions in order that soldiers and others may live in order to rebuild their nation someday in the future.

It's clear to some of us that members on both sides of the US Congress and the UK have been war profiteering off of the human suffering and loss of life in Ukraine.

It's time to acknowledge some very difficult truths and plan for better days in the future. Ukraine will someday realize the truth about the US and others.



I then later mentioned that the tactics of the German Army during WWII are taught at West Point and other military academies, and WC made the false allegation that I favor "Nazi's", which is an entirely meaningless word when used by the likes of this obtuse slug brain.

Are all of the officers at West Point and elsewhere "Nazi's", who have taught and continue to teach military tactics of the German Wehrmacht during WWII?
I would also compare these methods to the "rope a dope" tactics of the famous boxer Mohammed Ali.

I think not, I was obviously writing about military tactics.

Please notice I have put the most important parts of my quote into italics to help the honest and competent reader.

Honest and competent readers can and will see the context of the entirety of my statement of a few days ago.

As others have written the facts on the ground can change rapidly and therefore so does analysis.



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Re: Profiteering from the Ukrainian conflict
« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2022, 03:12:28 PM »
WC yet again being dishonest and deliberately obtuse, takes what I wrote and distills it down to one sentence, thus taking the entirety of what I wrote out of context.

Here is the entirety of what I wrote, for the benefit of those who have a brain and are honest.

Their wives, girlfriends, Mothers, Fathers and friends will be sad until the end of time. They will not be around to have beautiful Ukrainian children in order to rebuild the nation someday.

At this point it would clearly be better to withdraw completely from most of the east of Ukraine and prepare to defend Odessa and Mykoliv and other cities in that area.
Eventually the Russians are likely going to be forced to withdraw from much of the east for economic reasons.

However for now it would clearly be best to make some land concessions in order that soldiers and others may live in order to rebuild their nation someday in the future.

It's clear to some of us that members on both sides of the US Congress and the UK have been war profiteering off of the human suffering and loss of life in Ukraine.

It's time to acknowledge some very difficult truths and plan for better days in the future. Ukraine will someday realize the truth about the US and others.



I then later mentioned that the tactics of the German Army during WWII are taught at West Point and other military academies, and WC made the false allegation that I favor "Nazi's", which is an entirely meaningless word when used by the likes of this obtuse slug brain.

Are all of the officers at West Point and elsewhere "Nazi's", who have taught and continue to teach military tactics of the Germans Wehrmacht during WWII?
I would also compare these methods to the "rope a dope" tactics of the famous boxer Mohammed Ali.

I think not, I was obviously writing about military tactics.

Please notice I have put the most important parts of my quote into italics to help the honest and competent reader.

Honest and competent readers can and will see the context of the entirety of my statement of a few days ago.

As others have written the facts on the ground can change rapidly and therefore so does analysis.



Proof from my post and your own post from above that you did indeed use the word 'withdraw' in your analysis of the Ukrainian military's options.

However, your analysis of the war is no more valid than anything I or anyone else posts. Your insults are childish indicating perhaps a low level of education and perhaps a low paying job?   



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Re: Profiteering from the Ukrainian conflict
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2022, 03:18:46 PM »
Westcoast stop lying. You did not even read the information I shared. Had you done so you could not have written what you just did - not unless you have been lying to us.

I have sympathy for the handicapped. I try to help them when I can. But dishonest people - people like you - disgusting.

You're a thief of time. Yes, you're not very bright. But there are less capable people than you for whom I have great respect.

You're not clever enough to be dishonest and get away with it.

You're the stuff I wipe off the sole of my shoe.

That's it? Your insults are getting more infantile. I look forward to catching you in even more disinformation posts. Perhaps some of your erroneous posts will be honest mistakes however I think you've revealed yourself as a poster of false flag events and conspiracy theories.
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Re: Profiteering from the Ukrainian conflict
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2022, 04:47:28 PM »

it has no bearing on the fact that the US is not only going to make big profits from the situation, and that the Ukies will have to pay back around 58B$ + interest (so far) to the US under the lend/lease agreement...
Now stop being so mobyish, you were banned by your hero legal beagle elsewhere remember for your silliness.
Btw, so far, I have Not insulted you....

Have you seen the American government's lend/lease agreement? I haven't. If you have a copy of it please post. If the lend/lease of American military equipment keeps Ukraine from being taken over by Russia that's a fair price to pay. BTW lend/lease agreements are paid over the course of many decades

You think I'm Moby? I have no idea what "you were banned by your hero legal beagle elsewhere remember for your silliness." Means. If you think I'm Moby and saying I've been banned elsewhere then yes you've insulted me. Please post evidence of me being Moby and me being banned elsewhere.

Please tell me where I've been banned before or will you be like Andy, rosco, Contrarian and others who just disappear when they can't answer rather simple questions?
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I have not disappeared, but have had enough of your moose crap..
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/3522/text
Lend lease agreement Ukraine...
It seems to me that much of the time, wherever you post, you are trying to show everyone that you know better then they, or want some link that supports comments/facts which do not pass your thick skull, and even where something is linked, you question the poster rather than the link and return with links which support your theories, you are mostly an obnoxious little old man... Who cannot even read what people write..
I did not say that you were moby at all, I said that you were being very mobyish, can you understand the difference???
If I recall correctly, you were banned by Halo aka Boethius over the road, am I wrong??? were you banned for your moose crap???
To return to the original post, The US will/is profiting from the Ukraine situation, and will continue to increase said income the longer the situation continues, all the while, Ukraine will have more and more debt to the US, without its debt to other supporters, the country cannot even pay interest on the debts its accumulated over the last decade or so...
You are wrong to state that a certain person knows more about Ukraine that anyone else here, just as you are wrong for stating that there are no persons here who have served in some military or other, been in places in a warlike situation, commanded troops, or have no knowledge of military things, you don't know anything about the majority of persons on this site....
Now for the insult honeybun...
West Coast = WC = Toilet aka sh1thouse, bog, thunderbox =Sh1t in, Sh1t out..
Have a good day...
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Thanks for the lend/lease bill. Not much to read, doesn't really give any details, not even interest rate to be charged or how the return of any equipment might work.

As for Halo aka Boethius banning me I didn't know she had been an admin on RUA? Never been a member on the other site that can't be named so if you're talking about that place, never been there as a member. I have no idea what "over the road" means? What was the name of the person Halo aka Boethius supposedly banned? Was the topic in the public area of the site?

Gipsy  if that's your best try at an insult, you'd better keep practicing. In life there's always the need to be able to utter a good insult. I've always found it helpful to be able to insult someone in their own language. Here in Vancouver, we have lots of Chinese people and I've managed to learn a few particularly vicious insults in Mandarin. Several times uttering an insult in Mandarin has stopped the Chinese person in their tracks and ended the argument.

With regard to the WC insult other members have said the same thing long before you were a member. All it means is I won't feel bad about telling you to p*ss off when I feel like it.

As for your comments about lend/lease that's the way the world works. During WW2 the US and UK did a lend/lease with the USSR that helped keep the USSR from being overrun by Germany. The US also did a lend/lease with the UK. The UK finished paying it off sometime in the early 2000s.

Gipsy why am I wrong to say Halo knows more about Ukraine than anyone else here? Who knows Ukraine better than her? Please tell me. It certainly isn't Andy, Manny, Rosco, Contrarian or many others.

I agree that Cuffy and Yankee know more about the military than me or other RUA members however neither of them have posted about the war in Ukraine when I was in the conversation. My opinions about the war in Ukraine are just as valid as Andy, Manny, Rosco, Contrarian or many others who aren't vets.

If an RUA member posts and says they were a combat veteran in some war I'm willing to defer to their knowledge.



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