Finland intends to join NATO

[Contrarian]

The section about the winter war between tiny Finland and Soviet Russia back in 1939 at 1:51 in was fascinating. History repeats itself again.

Back in 1939 when the Finns kicked the Russians out, they found plans to have a parade in Helsinki, just as the Ukrainians found parade gear in Russian vehicles they captured recently north of Kiev.

Putin's plan to have his special forces who landed in Hostomel airport quickly depose Zelensky in the Capitol and install his new Banana Republic leaders failed. Oh well.

Now Russia will soon have two new countries join NATO, right there close by in the case of Sweden and sharing an 800 mile border in the case of Finland. Oops. 

It seems that each and every plan of the Russians has backfired and will continue to backfire. Parts for your old tanks and other needed weapons? They need those from Germany and other European countries. Oops.

[jseddy]

Yeah, it seems like none of this was thought through very well by the Russians. No matter how the "war" in Ukraine goes they're going to have a permanently hostile country on their front doorstep now with Western money flooding in to modernize it. Oops. And the rest of the world has learned not to screw with Ukraine or you'll be sunflower fertilizer. As far as Finland goes, any idea how long joining NATO takes?

[AJ]

Yeah, it seems like none of this was thought through very well by the Russians. No matter how the "war" in Ukraine goes they're going to have a permanently hostile country on their front doorstep now with Western money flooding in to modernize it. Oops. And the rest of the world has learned not to screw with Ukraine or you'll be sunflower fertilizer. As far as Finland goes, any idea how long joining NATO takes?

Nato seemingly has a mechanism for speeding up the process, but looks like a roughly 6 to.8 month timeline.. fotlr these two countries.

The usa (and i believe uk) has shown intemtions or already signed  security agreements in the interim

As far as the winter war Finlamd did lose and lost ground.
I'm not sure why this is often viewed as victory for them.
Did they very valiantly withstand the russian invasion and make russia pay dearly in lives  ? Absolutely.

But they did concede to russia and lost a pretty major chunk of real estate.

Russian loses are perhaps acceptable to.the powers in charge at the time,afterall the alleged false flag to start the conflict was killing thier own troops near the border.

[Contrarian]

Yeah, it seems like none of this was thought through very well by the Russians. No matter how the "war" in Ukraine goes they're going to have a permanently hostile country on their front doorstep now with Western money flooding in to modernize it. Oops. And the rest of the world has learned not to screw with Ukraine or you'll be sunflower fertilizer. As far as Finland goes, any idea how long joining NATO takes?

Nato seemingly has a mechanism for speeding up the process, but looks like a roughly 6 to.8 month timeline.. fotlr these two countries.

The usa (and i believe uk) has shown intemtions or already signed  security agreements in the interim

As far as the winter war Finlamd did lose and lost ground.
I'm not sure why this is often viewed as victory for them.
Did they very valiantly withstand the russian invasion and make russia pay dearly in lives  ? Absolutely.

But they did concede to russia and lost a pretty major chunk of real estate.

Russian loses are perhaps acceptable to.the powers in charge at the time,afterall the alleged false flag to start the conflict was killing thier own troops near the border.

I disagree completely that Finland lost the war. Soviet Russia did not capture the entire country and Stalin did not get his parade in Helsinki.

Did Finland lose some territory? Yes, but considering what the Communists wanted, they got very little. Finland, a tiny country with a small population, prevented Stalin from taking most or all of their country.

If that's not a win, considering the colossal size of Russia, then please tell us what a win is. 


BTW I once worked for a Swedish man who fought on behalf of Finland in that war.

[Contrarian]

[Lon]

last month (April 17th)
has someone else posted this?

Russian troops near Finland border

the Finnish response
https://www.funker530.com/video/in-response-to-russian-threats-finland-sends-tractors-to-border/

[Manny]

Finland has finally folded and is planning to turn itself into another US vassal state, in the model of Estonia. That's all that has happened here.

They've chugged along side by side for many years without any tension. Anyone with any common sense knows it is better to get along with your neighbours if you can. What Finland is doing is provocative. They've chosen to become hostile. As such they will end up hosting US weaponry and have willingly made themselves a target if the wheels fall off.

Even if the wheels don't fall off, they can probably kiss goodbye to cheap gas, oil (they'll now have to pay in Roubles) and most cross-border trade. Only the US benefits from this.

[dorbradavid]

The section about the winter war between tiny Finland and Soviet Russia back in 1939 at 1:51 in was fascinating. History repeats itself again.

Back in 1939 when the Finns kicked the Russians out, they found plans to have a parade in Helsinki, just as the Ukrainians found parade gear in Russian vehicles they captured recently north of Kiev.

Putin's plan to have his special forces who landed in Hostomel airport quickly depose Zelensky in the Capitol and install his new Banana Republic leaders failed. Oh well.

Now Russia will soon have two new countries join NATO, right there close by in the case of Sweden and sharing an 800 mile border in the case of Finland. Oops. 

It seems that each and every plan of the Russians has backfired and will continue to backfire. Parts for your old tanks and other needed weapons? They need those from Germany and other European countries. Oops.

Putin's problem - like Stalin's problem - is that he appears to exists in a 'bubble" where honesty is not perceived as the best policy 

[Jonas!]

Interesting, Turkey says they will block entry for finland.   I didn't know there were terror cells up in finland.  It seems like a pretty harmless little country to me.  I wonder what Turkey really wants.   I'll be curious to see how their arm gets twisted.  Maybe Turkey leaves NATO and Finland & Sweden join.   I think Russia would take that trade.

Turkey's President Erdogan signals he'll block Finland and Sweden's NATO applications, claiming they're home to 'terrorist organizations'

Sweden and Finland's ascent to NATO membership hit a roadblock Friday.

Turkey's president said he wouldn't accept either country joining, claiming they are home to "terrorist organizations."

All current NATO members must agree to any new nation joining the alliance.

Turkey's president suggested that he will attempt to stop Sweden and Finland from joining NATO.

Sweden and Finland are soon expected to apply to join the military alliance, a development prompted by Russia's unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.

But Turkey's president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, said on Friday that he did not support plans for the two countries to eventually become NATO members.

  https://www.yahoo.com/news/turkeys-president-erdogan-signals-hell-124832554.html 

Jonas! 

[2tallbill]

Finland has finally folded and is planning to turn itself into another US vassal state,
in the model of Estonia. That's all that has happened here.

None of the NATO countries are US vassal states including Estonia.
You are reacting emotionally rather than logically.

[Steveboy]

Finland has finally folded and is planning to turn itself into another US vassal state,
in the model of Estonia. That's all that has happened here.

None of the NATO countries are US vassal states including Estonia.
You are reacting emotionally rather than logically.

Of course they are!!! And not just Nato is controlled by the US so is the EU.. so much so they get all their dirty work done in the EU with just about any mug who is willing to get his tongue right up that American Sphincter.. 

Some members of the EU are even willing to sell their grand children and mothers to be part of the US dream

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30418405.


 

[2tallbill]

Of course they are!!! And not just Nato is controlled by the US so is the EU.. so much so they get all their dirty work done in the EU with just about any mug who is willing to get his tongue right up that American Sphincter.. 

Some members of the EU are even willing to sell their grand children and mothers to be part of the US dream

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30418405.

That's why the EU and NATO countries get their gas and oil from Russia and Iran
because the USA told them to.

[B.B.]

Finland has finally folded and is planning to turn itself into another US vassal state, in the model of Estonia. That's all that has happened here.

No, Finland is taking the lay of the land and signing on with an Alliance that Russian cannot match.

They've chugged along side by side for many years without any tension.

Russia does have a history with Finland.  And now Russia has invaded a smaller neighbor.  It is no secret why Finland is nervous.

Anyone with any common sense knows it is better to get along with your neighbours if you can.

Memo to Vladimir Putin.

What Finland is doing is provocative. They've chosen to become hostile. 

How DARE Finland choose self-preservation.  What if the Bear comes knocking on their door next?  Better to have a friend, or a large group of friends in that case. 

Look, there as REASON Russia finds itself isolated from Europe.  It has made a CHOICE to be.  Russia has consistently invaded its neighbors, committing war crimes and genocide along the way.  And still you wonder why Putin finds himself being Vladdy  No-Mates.  There isn't any MYSTERY here.   

B/B

[B.B.]

Interesting, Turkey says they will block entry for finland.   I didn't know there were terror cells up in finland.  It seems like a pretty harmless little country to me.  I wonder what Turkey really wants.   

Different type of terror cells...and Erdogan is flexing.  If anything, this presents an opportunity to address issues on both sides (Turkey and the EU). 

Putin, through his own blundering miscalculation, has managed to UNITE NATO.  Even the Germans are stepping up which they are loathe to do.

B/B

[AvHdB]

Look, there as REASON Russia finds itself isolated from Europe.  It has made a CHOICE to be.  Russia has consistently invaded its neighbors, committing war crimes and genocide along the way.  And still you wonder why Putin finds himself being Vladdy  No-Mates. There isn't any MYSTERY here.   
B/B

Perhaps there are no mirrors in the Kremlin? V. Putin has an outstanding CV of atrocities, invasions and destruction that make Pig Pen from the Peanuts look like an OR nurse.

Let’s just admit he his Russian centered, world wide blind and in a completely different way leading Russia down the path B. Yeltsin followed before. This will not end well for Russia.

[2tallbill]

Turkey's president suggested that he will attempt to stop Sweden and Finland from joining NATO.

Turkey wants some payola, free stuff and the freedom to kill a bunch of Kurds.
They don't have a care in the world about Sweden or Finland.

[Jonas!]

Turkey's president suggested that he will attempt to stop Sweden and Finland from joining NATO.

Turkey wants some payola, free stuff and the freedom to kill a bunch of Kurds.
They don't have a care in the world about Sweden or Finland.

It doesn't seem sensible that Turkey would care much about Sweden or Finland. 
What does Sweden or finland have to do with Turkey killing Kurds?
We shall see what type of payola they receive to go with the program.

Jonas! 

[WestCoast]

Finland has finally folded and is planning to turn itself into another US vassal state, in the model of Estonia. That's all that has happened here.

They've chugged along side by side for many years without any tension. Anyone with any common sense knows it is better to get along with your neighbours if you can. What Finland is doing is provocative. They've chosen to become hostile. As such they will end up hosting US weaponry and have willingly made themselves a target if the wheels fall off.

Even if the wheels don't fall off, they can probably kiss goodbye to cheap gas, oil (they'll now have to pay in Roubles) and most cross-border trade. Only the US benefits from this.

I realize I'm older than you but even you must remember the USSR and the Warsaw Pact? Weren't all those countries vassal states of the USSR? Those countries knew from intimate experience dealing with the USSR that they had better find protection when the USSR collapsed. That's why they all sought membership in the EU and NATO.

All former members of the Warsaw Pact except the Russia are now NATO members plus the 3 Baltic countries of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania. These countries know what dealing with Russia was like and chose not to continue to deal with Russia when the USSR collapsed and they had their chance at freedom.

Manny you're saying it is better to get along with your neighbours? Aren't you extremely pro Brexit? Didn't you support leaving the EU so the UK could have control of its borders and immigration? To save money?

How's that going? How many thousands of refugees have crossed the channel to claim refugee status in the UK since Brexit was final? Why couldn't the UK have gotten along with France, Germany and the rest of EU members?

[dorbradavid]

Putin's problem - like Stalin's problem - is that he appears to exists in a 'bubble" where honesty is not perceived as the best policy 

Ok, the BBC is not accurate. Not excusing the Russians, but they did not try "to occupy the country". Initially, they offered to swap territory, giving Finalnd a empty swath of Karelia in exchange for populated land near St. Pete. The Finns refused, after the war, the Russians demanded more land with no "swap". 

[Contrarian]

Putin's problem - like Stalin's problem - is that he appears to exists in a 'bubble" where honesty is not perceived as the best policy 

Ok, the BBC is not accurate. Not excusing the Russians, but they did not try "to occupy the country". Initially, they offered to swap territory, giving Finalnd a empty swath of Karelia in exchange for populated land near St. Pete. The Finns refused, after the war, the Russians demanded more land with no "swap". 

Wise countries do not make deals with shady governments; whether the FSU or now Russia.

When did Soviet Russia ever keep a deal in an honorable fashion? When has the Russian Federation kept a deal?

There would not have been the annexation nor the troubles in Donbas nor the current invasion and war had Russia kept their end of the Budapest memorandum.

[2tallbill]

Of course they are!!! And not just Nato is controlled by the US so is the EU.. so much so they get all their dirty work done in the EU with just about any mug who is willing to get his tongue right up that American Sphincter.. 

Some members of the EU are even willing to sell their grand children and mothers to be part of the US dream

That's great! Tell Lizzy Hurley that I want her tongue and my sphincter to
become acquainted. Send Katie Beckinsale as well.

I have additional instructions for MarkJe to pass along to his parliament. Tell them
I often get a knot in my net from flying into Amsterdam from the USA and I can't
think of anyone better than Lara Stone to work it out.

Damn it! I need my vassals!

[Jonas!]

That's great! Tell Lizzy Hurley that I want her tongue and my sphincter to
become acquainted. Send Katie Beckinsale as well.
 

Gross!  The thought of Hurley was pleasant throwing your well used sphincter into the mix has ruined it all.  I'm crossing Hurley off my list thanks to you.  I'm sure she will be very disappointed.   

Jonas! 

[patagonie]

Putin's problem - like Stalin's problem - is that he appears to exists in a 'bubble" where honesty is not perceived as the best policy 

Ok, the BBC is not accurate. Not excusing the Russians, but they did not try "to occupy the country". Initially, they offered to swap territory, giving Finalnd a empty swath of Karelia in exchange for populated land near St. Pete. The Finns refused, after the war, the Russians demanded more land with no "swap". 

Wise countries do not make deals with shady governments; whether the FSU or now Russia.

When did Soviet Russia ever keep a deal in an honorable fashion? When has the Russian Federation kept a deal?

There would not have been the annexation nor the troubles in Donbas nor the current invasion and war had Russia kept their end of the Budapest memorandum.

+1
Budapest memorandum exactly

[2tallbill]

As far as Finland goes, any idea how long joining NATO takes?

There is a ton of coordination that must happen. It's really beneficial for mutual
defense if everybody's walkie talkie is on the same frequency and everybody is
using the same caliber bullets.

If your 5 ton truck had 30 inch rims with 6 lugs, it might be a problem if I tried
to put on 28" tires or 8 lug rims.

You want to be able to call in air support or artillery and have them arrive at 
the right place and time.

Otherwise you might be fighting uncoordinated. Ask the Russians how well
that works. 

[Contrarian]

As far as Finland goes, any idea how long joining NATO takes?

There is a ton of coordination that must happen. It's really beneficial for mutual
defense if everybody's walkie talkie is on the same frequency and everybody is
using the same caliber bullets.

If your 5 ton truck had 30 inch rims with 6 lugs, it might be a problem if I tried
to put on 28" tires or 8 lug rims.

You want to be able to call in air support or artillery and have them arrive at 
the right place and time.

Otherwise you might be fighting uncoordinated. Ask the Russians how well
that works.