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Lies, damned lies, and statistics!
« on: April 27, 2022, 06:55:58 AM »
Lies, damned lies, and statistics
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Time to make some mentaly defected people to stop posting Crap....
I ment to say a pack of propaganda and American/NATO Lies.



Russian officials say that they consider that they are currently "at war" with NATO and the U.S. and that a nuclear war is a real possibility. This is not hyperbole. The U.S. continues to escalate war and Russia is noticing.

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Personaly I have no connection with any of the video producers or writers of any posts that I will be posting here... so it is up to you to watch, read, listen and make any intelligent comments.




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Re: Lies, damned lies, and statistics!
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2022, 07:49:42 AM »
Russian officials say that they consider that they are currently "at war" with NATO and the U.S. and that a nuclear war is a real possibility. This is not hyperbole. The U.S. continues to escalate war and Russia is noticing.
Russia has been making it clear what is on the table.  Some in the west call it a bluff.   I doubt it is a bluff.  For Russia the objective takes priority over 'rules' so if that is the case there are no limits to what weapons they are willing to use.



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Yes views are being suppressed. 
Rand Paul has a platform so he can be heard (And not banned), yet he will be chastised for dropping some truth bombs.  Posting something along these lines on another website would get you shadow-banned.   

Rand Paul argues US should not have backed Ukraine's NATO aspirations, citing Russia's stated reasoning behind invasion

....The back and forth was prompted by Paul questioning why the US had been "agitating" for Ukraine to join NATO last fall, which was something Russia ardently opposed as a "red line."....

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/26/politics/rand-paul-russia-ukraine-comments/index.html 

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Re: Lies, damned lies, and statistics!
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2022, 07:55:07 AM »
”Lies, damned lies, and statistics”


The above is attributed to S. Clemens (Mark Twain) he though attributed the phrase to the British Prime Minister, B. Disraeli. There is no proof of this latter assertion.

And yes I suspect we are spoon fed the truth as the media/politicians sees fit.
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Re: Lies, damned lies, and statistics!
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2022, 08:23:29 AM »
Rand Paul is pretty smart  :8)
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Re: Lies, damned lies, and statistics!
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2022, 11:18:11 AM »
”Lies, damned lies, and statistics”


The above is attributed to S. Clemens (Mark Twain) he though attributed the phrase to the British Prime Minister, B. Disraeli. There is no proof of this latter assertion.

And yes I suspect we are spoon fed the truth as the media/politicians sees fit.

Obviously you don't have much to say against the comments in the video and point out to me who first said the expressionn I used in the title of this thread!

You must know by now that I do not accept poliicians comments as the gopsel and always read various publications trying to understand the truth!

It is pretty clear why the USA created the NATO and also why the  crook president Nixon made the Dollar
The world Reserve currency!

Just a big Scam from the Banksters........but Putin and his clan know all about it and told the Alzeimer President that the world is not a Monopoly........anymore!

I read in the FT that 10 countries used the new system and paid in Rubles for their Oil and Gas!
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Re: Lies, damned lies, and statistics!
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2022, 11:52:34 AM »
Wiz, the countries that have now agreed to their energy companies paying according to Russia's new requirements includes Germany. One little problem, Germany tried to make payments through the energy company stolen by Germany - Gazprom Germany. Russia has, not unreasonably, decided that payments can't be accepted through this business which, as far as they are concerned, has ceased to exist, in legal, if not physical terms.

That seems to me to be an unforced error on the part of the Germans. They clearly wanted to make the purchase, but trying to do so through Gazprom Germany would seem to be a bit daft. My guess is that Gazprom in Russia would regard all contracts and other agreements made with GazProm Germany to have ended at the point it was seized and 'nationalised'. That'd require new agreements to be made.
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Re: Lies, damned lies, and statistics!
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2022, 12:15:46 PM »
Russian economy stabilises.
EU economy faces massive contraction!



Today's discussion by the boys from Duran who keep a very close eye in the developments in Russia, Ukraine Europe and more........... posted 2 hours ago.

Do read the comments below from their visitors. Very interesting!
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Re: Lies, damned lies, and statistics!
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2022, 12:39:49 PM »
Wiz, the countries that have now agreed to their energy companies paying according to Russia's new requirements includes Germany. One little problem, Germany tried to make payments through the energy company stolen by Germany - Gazprom Germany. Russia has, not unreasonably, decided that payments can't be accepted through this business which, as far as they are concerned, has ceased to exist, in legal, if not physical terms.

That seems to me to be an unforced error on the part of the Germans. They clearly wanted to make the purchase, but trying to do so through Gazprom Germany would seem to be a bit daft. My guess is that Gazprom in Russia would regard all contracts and other agreements made with GazProm Germany to have ended at the point it was seized and 'nationalised'. That'd require new agreements to be made.

To be honest not knowing the full details, I was thinking WHY the new German Government was listening to its Masters voice, The Alzeimer president from Washington, but thanks for the full explanations........ which now make sence as  I could not understand why the new German Gov will do something to destroy their huge economical advances, WHEN COMPARING with most if not all EU countries?

I just waiting to see what Boris is going to do now........who is confused every wendsday by the moving legs of Clair Rayner.....while answering question!  :laugh:

Actually I will pay more attention, tommorrow, to see what that dirty woman is doing to him..... :laugh:

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Re: Lies, damned lies, and statistics!
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2022, 12:37:20 AM »
"There is nothing else out there"!
Why Europe is hooked on Russian gas

Region faces ‘impossible’ task replacing supplies on which it has depended for decades!

As outrage over the war in Ukraine grows, European leaders are under mounting pressure to expand sanctions against Russia and end the EU’s decades-long dependence on the country’s oil and gas once and for all.

But an analysis of the top 10 global producers shows just how difficult it would be to remove Russian gas from the European energy mix without imposing stringent curbs on industrial consumption that could crush economic growth.

The EU imports about 30 per cent of its oil and 40 per cent of its gas from Russia, paying Moscow roughly $850mn a day at current prices to keep the hydrocarbons flowing. Weaning Europe off Russian oil would be challenging. Getting rid of Russian gas would be harder.

Gazprom, Russia’s biggest gas producer and monopoly exporter, towers over the global gas market. It produced 540bn cubic metres last year, more than BP, Shell, Chevron, ExxonMobil and Saudi Aramco combined, according to data from consultancy Wood Mackenzie.

Of that, 331bn cubic metres were consumed in Russia and 168bn were piped to Europe.

Read the full article here:

FT Gazprom, Russia’s biggest gas producer towers over the Global gas market.
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Re: Lies, damned lies, and statistics!
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2022, 01:09:14 AM »
"There is nothing else out there"!
Why Europe is hooked on Russian gas

Region faces ‘impossible’ task replacing supplies on which it has depended for decades!

As outrage over the war in Ukraine grows, European leaders are under mounting pressure to expand sanctions against Russia and end the EU’s decades-long dependence on the country’s oil and gas once and for all.

But an analysis of the top 10 global producers shows just how difficult it would be to remove Russian gas from the European energy mix without imposing stringent curbs on industrial consumption that could crush economic growth.

The EU imports about 30 per cent of its oil and 40 per cent of its gas from Russia, paying Moscow roughly $850mn a day at current prices to keep the hydrocarbons flowing. Weaning Europe off Russian oil would be challenging. Getting rid of Russian gas would be harder.

Gazprom, Russia’s biggest gas producer and monopoly exporter, towers over the global gas market. It produced 540bn cubic metres last year, more than BP, Shell, Chevron, ExxonMobil and Saudi Aramco combined, according to data from consultancy Wood Mackenzie.

Of that, 331bn cubic metres were consumed in Russia and 168bn were piped to Europe.

Read the full article here:

FT Gazprom, Russia’s biggest gas producer towers over the Global gas market.

Wiz apparently Germany is going to wean itself off Russian oil. Poland is going to send oil from Gdansk to Germany. Supertankers with oil from Middle Eastern countries or the USA could be diverted to Gdansk and the oil piped directly to Germany. If Germany can replace Russian oil probably most other large countries in Europe can.

Give it a few years and Putin will be wondering the streets of Europe begging people to buy Russian oil, any amount of Russian oil. Putin will take payment in USD, euros and maybe even UK pounds.

https://www.polandatsea.com/die-welt-poland-will-help-germany-free-itself-from-russian-oil/
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Re: Lies, damned lies, and statistics!
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2022, 03:43:44 AM »
Westcoast, what's with the fantasies? The oil market is tight, it has been for some time. Why do you think the US tried to persuade OPEC+ to increase output over the past couple of years?

That tightness will not be decreased while logistics networks are being reconfigured.

Why do you imagine that Russia will have significant problems selling a fungible product into a market where demand outstrips supply?

Right now, the Russian economy is awash with money.

This is factual stuff. You can check and confirm it. Being fluffed by dishonest or ill-informed programmers is of no benefit to you.
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Re: Lies, damned lies, and statistics!
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2022, 05:39:58 AM »
"There is nothing else out there"!
Why Europe is hooked on Russian gas

Region faces ‘impossible’ task replacing supplies on which it has depended for decades!

As outrage over the war in Ukraine grows, European leaders are under mounting pressure to expand sanctions against Russia and end the EU’s decades-long dependence on the country’s oil and gas once and for all.

But an analysis of the top 10 global producers shows just how difficult it would be to remove Russian gas from the European energy mix without imposing stringent curbs on industrial consumption that could crush economic growth.

The EU imports about 30 per cent of its oil and 40 per cent of its gas from Russia, paying Moscow roughly $850mn a day at current prices to keep the hydrocarbons flowing. Weaning Europe off Russian oil would be challenging. Getting rid of Russian gas would be harder.

Gazprom, Russia’s biggest gas producer and monopoly exporter, towers over the global gas market. It produced 540bn cubic metres last year, more than BP, Shell, Chevron, ExxonMobil and Saudi Aramco combined, according to data from consultancy Wood Mackenzie.

Of that, 331bn cubic metres were consumed in Russia and 168bn were piped to Europe.

Read the full article here:

FT Gazprom, Russia’s biggest gas producer towers over the Global gas market.

Wiz apparently Germany is going to wean itself off Russian oil. Poland is going to send oil from Gdansk to Germany. Supertankers with oil from Middle Eastern countries or the USA could be diverted to Gdansk and the oil piped directly to Germany. If Germany can replace Russian oil probably most other large countries in Europe can.

Give it a few years and Putin will be wondering the streets of Europe begging people to buy Russian oil, any amount of Russian oil. Putin will take payment in USD, euros and maybe even UK pounds.

https://www.polandatsea.com/die-welt-poland-will-help-germany-free-itself-from-russian-oil/

I have read all that and know about all German efforts to keep their cheap source of gas from Russia but their actions it was clear and expected ... because Germany after the WWII when they signed their capitulation in Berlin, accepted to be under USA control until 2099 and that is why USA have 45 bases there……..

Anyhow as a colony they did not have much options. Then the Polish hate so much Russia that will do everything to vent their hate including paying double the price for your LNG gas which at the moment you don’t have it!……

It is clear also that Germany will be a big looser when they will start paying the MARKET PRICES FOR GAS ........

USA does not have the capacity of LNG gas to sell to Germany as also the LNG boats to cover Germany, Poland and all other NATO countries. Already you have asked the GREEK Government to help Bulgaria !!!

It looks that you did not read the entire article in the FT!.... You just have a narrative that you follow and let's see what happens next.

I just wonder if USA is able and can sustain 2 large wars going at the same time, in the EAST with China  and also in Europe.

Have you read this article I posted on the board about Germany sometime ago?



Do you by any chance know how many countries are paying Russia in RUBLES?

FINALLY I still wait from you to tell me how much is the USA National dept ?
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Re: Lies, damned lies, and statistics!
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2022, 05:54:35 AM »
And now here is the daily  discussion regarding the war in Ukraine by the DURAN Greek chaps. and other matters.

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« Reply #13 on: April 29, 2022, 06:27:28 AM »
USA does not have the capacity of LNG gas to sell to Germany as also the LNG boats to cover Germany, Poland and all other NATO countries. Already you have asked the GREEK Government to help Bulgaria !!!

While America has the ability to produce the LNG gas it does not have the ‘pipeline’ vessels to transport it across the Atlantic. There is a second issue that there are not enough terminals for conversion. It is indeed the perfect cluster fcuk.

FINALLY I still wait from you to tell me how much is the USA National dept ?

Wiz you addressed this question to another, but I will note. The National debt is a well known number, the problem is all the state and municipal debt. Add all the above up and if it was 500 billion + I would not be surprised.

It is precarious house of cards.
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« Reply #14 on: April 29, 2022, 03:14:17 PM »
FINALLY I still wait from you to tell me how much is the USA National dept ?
Wiz you addressed this question to another, but I will note. The National debt is a well known number, the problem is all the state and municipal debt. Add all the above up and if it was 500 billion + I would not be surprised.
It is precarious house of cards.

As far as I am aware the USA is one Nation of 50+ states all together. In my mind you are not a solid Empire, like the British one who lasted centuries while yours in no more than 80 Years... and in reality it's just a House of Cards... that is why you like living there.

Now here is a lecture about the events in Ukraine etc. (for your education)



Rubles-for-gas scheme does not undermine sanctions – German energy major

Ukraine Admits Retreats in Eastern Ukraine,
Time Running out For Azovstal,
Russia Warns Poland Against Ukraine Invasion



Enjoy the lesson of Nutral Reporting and you may enjoy it, as
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« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2022, 03:27:34 PM »
FINALLY I still wait from you to tell me how much is the USA National dept ?
Wiz you addressed this question to another, but I will note. The National debt is a well known number, the problem is all the state and municipal debt. Add all the above up and if it was 500 billion + I would not be surprised.
It is a precarious house of cards.

As far as I am aware the USA is one Nation of 50+ states all together. In my mind you are not a solid Empire, like the British one who lasted centuries while yours in no more than 80 Years... and in reality it's just a House of Cards... that is why you like living there.

Wiz that you are perhaps willfully ignorant regarding The United States government there is nothing I can do. Wallow in your swill.

Though consider how Greece managed its affairs in the classic period, there are parallels between that period in Greek History and the United States for the last 200 plus years.
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« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2022, 06:13:07 PM »
FINALLY I still wait from you to tell me how much is the USA National dept ?
Wiz you addressed this question to another, but I will note. The National debt is a well known number, the problem is all the state and municipal debt. Add all the above up and if it was 500 billion + I would not be surprised.
It is a precarious house of cards.

As far as I am aware the USA is one Nation of 50+ states all together. In my mind you are not a solid Empire, like the British one who lasted centuries while yours in no more than 80 Years... and in reality it's just a House of Cards... that is why you like living there.

Wiz that you are perhaps willfully ignorant regarding The United States government there is nothing I can do. Wallow in your swill.

Though consider how Greece managed its affairs in the classic period, there are parallels between that period in Greek History and the United States for the last 200 plus years.

ACTUALLY it is you who willfully pretent to be completely ignorant and can do nothing.

At least be honest about the current situation and then you can swim in your.....own bodily exaction!
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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2022, 04:44:45 AM »
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You can twist and turn like we do on the Greek Orthodox's Easter......to the lambs on the spit...


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Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov in an hour-long
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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2022, 04:49:57 AM »
FINALLY I still wait from you to tell me how much is the USA National dept ?
Wiz you addressed this question to another, but I will note. The National debt is a well known number, the problem is all the state and municipal debt. Add all the above up and if it was 500 billion + I would not be surprised.
It is precarious house of cards.

As far as I am aware the USA is one Nation of 50+ states all together. In my mind you are not a solid Empire, like the British one who lasted centuries while yours in no more than 80 Years... and in reality it's just a House of Cards... that is why you like living there.

Now here is a lecture about the events in Ukraine etc. (for your education)



Rubles-for-gas scheme does not undermine sanctions – German energy major

Ukraine Admits Retreats in Eastern Ukraine,
Time Running out For Azovstal,
Russia Warns Poland Against Ukraine Invasion



Enjoy the lesson of Nutral Reporting and you may enjoy it, as
you have nothing else to do on your shift! Going for dinner......

https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/disciplinary_finding/76984.html

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-duran/

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Re: Lies, damned lies, and statistics!
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2022, 03:10:31 PM »

https://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/disciplinary_finding/76984.html

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-duran/

So don't you have any brain of your own to make up your own mind and express your own opinions?

Have you had a look to see how many people are listening and what they say in their comments?

Sorry but I am fully aware of the comments in the links you posted.......
Also I have my own mind and already stated.......I am not a supporter of Putin or any other politician!

Did you listen the video, and did you find any lies etc to point out?

BTW this pair are not the only people that I listen......Last night Iwatched a live program that lasted 4 hours and I learn a lot from the experts that took part!



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« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2022, 05:37:14 PM »
If you stop using news sources which are seen as extremist then i will take notice.

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« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2022, 12:53:38 AM »
If you stop using news sources which are seen as extremist then i will take notice.

Who the hell do you think you are that you can order me or tell me what to read and what to post on this board? GET LOST you BLOODY IDIOT!

Obviously you are a brainless sheep without the ability to think on your own and you post the propaganda or whatever else you are told by the instructors of the political line you are following.

I am not a sheep, like you, I have a brain of my own and post whatever I think is legal and useful. No body force you on this board to read my posts neither to participate or asked your opinion what is legal or not!

That job belongs to the owner of this board.  :fighting0025:
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« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2022, 01:42:14 AM »
Biden-EU economic policy,
'Lunacy taken to a greater level'


 
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US training Ukrainian troops – Pentagon

Ukrainian forces are being trained in Germany
and elsewhere in Europe, Washington reveals!



Ukrainian military personnel are receiving American training in Europe amid the conflict with Russia, Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby has confirmed.

“I can announce that the United States has commenced training with the Ukrainian Armed Forces on key systems at US military installations in Germany,” Kirby said during a briefing on Friday.

As part of the program, coordinated with Berlin, the Ukrainian troops are learning to operate artillery, radars and armored vehicles.

“This new training effort in Germany and at other locations in Europe is in direct support of recent US security assistance packages that are designed to help Ukraine win their battles today and build strength for tomorrow,” the spokesman said, noting that the US has committed $4.3 billion to the Ukrainian military since 2021.

Kirby stressed that the Pentagon has no plans to send its instructors into Ukraine. “The training that we'll do will be outside of” the country, he said.

But the possibility of servicemen inside Ukraine receiving American training “virtually” is being explored, he added.

US ally Britain is also helping Ukraine’s troops to improve their combat skills, with UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson announcing last week that “we are currently training Ukrainians in Poland in the use of anti-aircraft defense, and actually in the UK in the use of armored vehicles.”

The statement drew condemnation from retired Polish General Waldemar Skrzypczak, who accused Johnson of revealing military secrets and advised him to think before speaking.

Russia sent troops into Ukraine on February 24, following Kiev's failure to implement the terms of the Minsk agreements, first signed in 2014, and Moscow's eventual recognition of the Donbass republics of Donetsk and Lugansk. The German- and French-brokered Minsk Protocol was designed to give the breakaway regions special status within the Ukrainian state.

The Kremlin has since demanded that Ukraine officially declare itself a neutral country that will never join NATO. Kiev insists the Russian offensive was completely unprovoked and has denied claims it was planning to retake the two republics by force.

Original at: https://www.rt.com/news/554764-us-training-ukraine-germany/

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Re: Lies, damned lies, and statistics!
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2022, 06:54:05 AM »
Yes views are being suppressed. 
Rand Paul has a platform so he can be heard (And not banned), yet he will be chastised for dropping some truth bombs.  Posting something along these lines on another website would get you shadow-banned.   

Rand Paul argues US should not have backed Ukraine's NATO aspirations, citing Russia's stated reasoning behind invasion

....The back and forth was prompted by Paul questioning why the US had been "agitating" for Ukraine to join NATO last fall, which was something Russia ardently opposed as a "red line."....

Jonas!

Rand Paul is a smart guy. I'm not happy with what's happening in Ukraine, but I'd be REALLY unhappy if the US gets  sucked into (another 33 billion?) a shooting war.  :(
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