Ukraine war leads to NATO expansion.

[Texan77]

Russia claims it want to invade war because of NATO expansion. This very war has cause NATO to expand. Ukraine was not going to be a member anytime soon if ever anyway. Now new countries are wanting to become part of NATO because of the war and seeing Russian aggression.

[Bodine]

Expanding NATO would be the most fateful error in American policy in the entire post-cold war era

The absurdity of NATO's goal had reached an epic proportion. Considering more than half of its original members have lagged in their obligations to the alliance, and the same half's full reliance of its national livelihood and social existence to the very nation it allies to be protected from, yet antagonizes it at the same time due to its' military expansion!!! How any of this makes sense is beyond me.

As for the US, our current politicians are now fully engaged in a program, something which John Q. Adams warned us about, of going abroad seeking monsters to destroy, with nary a need for discussion and public consensus any longer, much less simple consideration of its peoples future, needs or wants. We again extended a forward step in another campaign to potentially advance sacrificing our young to protect citizens of nations a thousand miles away. Nations, which many of our young likely have never been to, or know anything about. Just as what we've done in two WW, only to become a symbol of disdain and mockery by millions of its citizens, and leaders, years after.

Now Sweden and Finland would like their eTicket punched after all these chest thumping years?!

You folks are in search of war crimes/criminals, then look at a country that had been focal to all our recent global conflicts, resulting in millions of deaths worldwide, including this one in Ukraine, all for the sheer reasons of politics and arrogant dominance. My beloved country had drunkenly taken massive ownership to that silly notion that this nation is the leader of the free world.

Shame.

The US was a nation that builds what were destroyed. Now it seems, we simply seek reasons and causes to destroy.

[andrewfi]

While it might be true that Ukraine was not going to be part of NATO, nobody would come out and say so. At the same time, Ukrainian forces were being equipped and trained to be interoperable with NATO forces by NATO.

Plans were already being implemented to set up NATO bases in Ukraine.

By default, Ukraine was becoming a part of NATO in all but name.

Both Sweden and Finland are in large part already interoperable with NATO so the situation, in practical terms, will not change very much. That's not to say that there will not be a Russian response in some form.

[AJ]

So fundamentally many will die to not gain very much on either side of the NATO issue.
Russia has made a strong military statement* against *further Nato expansion,
 while facing  nato on every western border.

Finland and Sweden likely to join.
Ukraine likely to continue to be mired in western meddling and its military trained by nato (even if it ends up a country  losing an Eastern half and divided by the dneper etc)
Unlikely to be a peaceful buffer by any means.

On this topic,  nato and national security  precious little seems to be gained by Russia regardless if evil expanding America is to blame for nato advancement.
What is this all.going to actually do?
Put georgia in her place? She already knew nato was eons away.

The stans weren't exactly likely candidates.

Make* the usa back off of being bully?unlikely.

Like it or not russia is likely contained to her borders to the east wherever that border falls after the current conflict resolves.
Spanning 11 times zones and still having the south to annex off and on I'm sure she will be ok

  Kaliningrad to be annexed by Poland in 30 years perhaps

[andrew99]

Nato issue is fake news. It is a smokescreen for putin and dont be naive. Ukraine said it wont join has had ZERO effect as expected.

[2tallbill]

Both Sweden and Finland

Finland Takes First Step Toward NATO With Security Report
Read more at: https://www.bloombergquint.com/politics/finland-retains-option-to-apply-for-nato-membership-white-paper
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Sweden on collision course with Putin after declaring wish to join Nato
https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/13/sweden-ready-to-join-nato-this-summer-in-major-blow-to-putin-16458536/


Finland and Sweden set to join Nato as soon as summer
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/finland-sweden-set-to-join-nato-war-ukraine-latest-7m8bn6mf8

[dorbradavid]

The absurdity of NATO's goal had reached an epic proportion. Considering more than half of its original members have lagged in their obligations to the alliance, and the same half's full reliance of its national livelihood and social existence to the very nation it allies to be protected from, yet antagonizes it at the same time due to its' military expansion!!! How any of this makes sense is beyond me.

Nicely put.